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Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: KevinP on August 13, 2018, 07:51:55 pm

Title: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: KevinP on August 13, 2018, 07:51:55 pm
When Mint or Changeling are in play, can you gain a copy of an heirloom card?

My feeling is that this is against the intent of heirloom cards but not actually against any rule. There are only six copies of each, which is the maximum number of players. Clearly the intent was starting hand only, and these cards are not 'available.' But the way Mint and Changeling are written, I see no reason why you couldn't copy one if they were available.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: silvern on August 13, 2018, 08:25:01 pm
Gaining ALWAYS happens from the supply, unless specifically specified otherwise on the card.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: werothegreat on August 13, 2018, 10:27:43 pm
There is no Goat pile, or Pouch pile, or Cursed Gold pile.  There is no way to gain an Heirloom, just as there is no way to gain a Shelter.  You can be passed one by Masquerade, or it can start in your starting deck: that's it.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 13, 2018, 11:18:06 pm
There is no Goat pile, or Pouch pile, or Cursed Gold pile.  There is no way to gain an Heirloom, just as there is no way to gain a Shelter.  You can be passed one by Masquerade, or it can start in your starting deck: that's it.

You can gain Lucky Coin and Cursed Gold from the trash with Rogue/Graverobber.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: crj on August 14, 2018, 10:00:04 am
Or, for that matter, Necropolis using Lurker. If you really want.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: Simon Jester on August 14, 2018, 10:03:10 am
Or, for that matter, Necropolis using Lurker. If you really want.

If you don't want you can't. Because you prolly won't do it..
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: DG on August 14, 2018, 10:05:36 am
The online bots will happily play a masquerade and give you a magic lamp.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: AJD on August 14, 2018, 10:13:59 am
There is no Goat pile, or Pouch pile, or Cursed Gold pile.  There is no way to gain an Heirloom, just as there is no way to gain a Shelter.  You can be passed one by Masquerade, or it can start in your starting deck: that's it.

You can gain Lucky Coin and Cursed Gold from the trash with Rogue/Graverobber.

Or, indeed, any of them with Thief, if you insist on playing with Thief.
Title: Re: Gain copy of heirlooms?
Post by: Asper on August 19, 2018, 04:52:08 pm
Or, for that matter, Necropolis using Lurker. If you really want.

If you don't want you can't. Because you prolly won't do it..

This is not logically sound. You only do if you want and can, or must and can. You don't do if you can't, or neither want nor must. If you must and can but don't want, you do, which is obviously distinguishable from the case where you can't, and don't do. If there is no situation where you ever must, can't and don't want produce equal outcomes, but that doesn't make them equal expressions.

At least that's how I' d formulate this.