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Dominion => Variants and Fan Cards => Topic started by: JimJammer on August 09, 2018, 02:46:30 pm
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As everyone loves rats, here some more 'rats'.
Ok, they're probably not the best thought out cards, but maybe we can turn this into a rats thread. Add your own, refine and mock.
All cars have 20 copies.
Locust:
Cost: 3$
+1 Card +1 Action
Gain a Locust. Trash a card from you hand other than a locust. Each other player either gains a locust or draws 3 cards, trashes 2 and discards the other. When you trash this return it to the supply and every player gains a locust.
Baby Snakes
6$
+1 Card +1 Action +2$
Gain 2 baby snakes. Each other player reveals the top cards of their deck. If eithr are a Baby Snakes they reveal their hand and trash all cards other than victory cards, otherwise discard.
Mole
2$
+1 Action
Gain 2 moles. Reveal your hand, if you have no victory cards in it and this is the first action card you've played this turn then +4$
Maggots
0$
If this is the first time this game a Maggots has been played, each other player gains a maggots. When you trash this, gain 4 maggots.
Piranha
3$
+1 card +1 Action +3$
Gain a Piranha. Each other player draws 2 cards and reveals their hand. Any player with two or more piranhas trashes all cards in their hand other than piranhas.
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Locust seems far too good for the opponent. It is as brilliant as an early Sentry that trashes 2 cards (with a higher likelihood of hitting some junk).
I'd make Baby Snakes an Attack and make the self-gaining harder. Like, cantrip, get 2 Coins or a Baby Snake.
As it stands whoever hit 6 one shuffle earlier might be able to massively win the split such that not even the Attack will compensate for it.
Same with Mole, the self-gaining is too crazy.
Maggots seem pointless except for Swindler games.
About Piranha, this is probably more interesting than Baby Snakes. Tripe Peddler seems weaker than a double Lab so I'd change this a bit.
Overall some cool ideas but I think that self-gaining, interactive cards are a mess to balance.
One way to getmake balancing easier would be a split pile: put the self-gaining cards on top and the more expansive, interactive card that punishes whomever got a lot of the self-gaining cards underneath.
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Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, take 2 Action tokens.
Ever see that video where somebody squashes a spider and thousands of baby spiders come out? Yeah.
Edit: Since I don't like tokens:
Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/5/5d/Coin0.png/16px-Coin0.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, you may trash a card and/or an Action card from your hand.
I have to admit, though, that the Action tokens are a bit more clever.
Edit 2: Changed cost and wording.
Edit 3:
Spiders Action, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/5/5d/Coin0.png/16px-Coin0.png) (Supply = Same as Curse supply)
Trash this.
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When you trash this, each other player gains 2 Spiders.
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When you buy this, you may trash a card from your hand.
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You're right, maggots is pretty pointless. Here is a modification.
Cost: 0
+2$
Each player gains a maggots or skips a turn
When you buy this, +1 buy
When this is trashed, gain 4 maggots
I'll give some more thought to the other cards.
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For the mole, i think taking away the +1Action might solve it, then can take away the condition about being the first action card. Possibly still too strong with some form of Village, but only if you have a way of keeping victory cards out of your hand.
Mole
Cost: 2$
Gain 2 Moles
Reveal your hand, if you have no victory cards then +4$
I actually think the gain 2 moles makes it weaker than gain 1 mole. Gaining 3 moles would make it even worse. With 2 we get
for example,
Buy a mole turn 1 - 1 mole in deck of 11, 3 estates
Play a mole turn 4 - 3 moles in deck of ~16 3 estates
Play a mole turn 6 and buy a province - 5 moles in deck of ~22 4 victory cards.
At that point I'd probably want to stop playing them until we hit the last 1-2 draws unless i've figured out a way of discarding the victory cards and getting enough actions.
EDIT: Also, I like to think of this as an inverse Baron, plus self gaining.
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Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, take 2 Action tokens.
Ever see that video where somebody squashes a spider and thousands of baby spiders come out? Yeah.
Edit: Since I don't like tokens:
Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/5/5d/Coin0.png/16px-Coin0.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, you may trash a card and/or an Action card from your hand.
I have to admit, though, that the Action tokens are a bit more clever.
Edit 2: Changed cost and wording.
What's an action token?
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Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, take 2 Action tokens.
Ever see that video where somebody squashes a spider and thousands of baby spiders come out? Yeah.
Edit: Since I don't like tokens:
Spiders Action - Attack, (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/5/5d/Coin0.png/16px-Coin0.png) (Supply # = Same as Curses)
Each other player gains 2 Spiders.
Trash this.
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When you buy this, you may trash a card and/or an Action card from your hand.
I have to admit, though, that the Action tokens are a bit more clever.
Edit 2: Changed cost and wording.
What's an action token?
It's the old version of +1 Actioffers.
In all seriousness, the newly announced Dominion: Renaissance includes "tokens that let you save coins and actions for later."
Presumably, this means that when you have an action token, you may spend it at any time to get +1 Action.
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As a point of card design, all these cards have to have types. I'm assuming all of them have the Action type, and some of them the Attack type.
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Tribble
Cost: $3
Types: Action/Reaction
+2 Cards
You may play a Tribble from your hand.
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When another player plays an Attack card, you may first reveal this. If you do: Look at the top card of your deck. If it is not a Tribble, you may discard it. If you do, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
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Tribble
Cost: $3
Types: Action/Reaction
+2 Cards
You may play a Tribble from your hand.
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When another player plays an Attack card, you may first reveal this. If you do: Look at the top card of your deck. Discard it or put it back on top. If you discarded another card than a Tribble, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
I like this but it needs to cost more than 3. It looks to me
to be a no-brainer to open with two of these where you can.
I still think it’s cheap at 4. Though maybe 5 is too much. Guess you’d have to play test it.
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Tribble
Cost: $3
Types: Action/Reaction
+2 Cards
You may play a Tribble from your hand.
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When another player plays an Attack card, you may first reveal this. If you do: Look at the top card of your deck. Discard it or put it back on top. If you discarded another card than a Tribble, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
I like this but it needs to cost more than 3. It looks to me
to be a no-brainer to open with two of these where you can.
I still think it’s cheap at 4. Though maybe 5 is too much. Guess you’d have to play test it.
I have my doubts. Cultist is overpowered because it junks so quickly. But the draw-and-connect thing in itself is not necessarily good enough to justify a price of $4 as the net effects of 2 Tribbles that connect (-1 Action, +2 Cards) are identical to that of 1 Smithy.
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Tribble
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When another player plays an Attack card, you may first reveal this. If you do: Look at the top card of your deck. Discard it or put it back on top. If you discarded another card than a Tribble, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
This needs to be reveal and set aside, unless you want someone to gain the entire Tribble pile when an Attack is played.
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Tribble
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When another player plays an Attack card, you may first reveal this. If you do: Look at the top card of your deck. Discard it or put it back on top. If you discarded another card than a Tribble, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
This needs to be reveal and set aside, unless you want someone to gain the entire Tribble pile when an Attack is played.
Thank you, I reworded the card, because I had a small oversight. It now says:
Tribble
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Look at the top card of your deck. If it is not a Tribble, you may discard it. If you do, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
It may be still exploitable with Diplomat, but very limited.
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Tribble
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Look at the top card of your deck. If it is not a Tribble, you may discard it. If you do, gain a Tribble on top of your deck.
It may be still exploitable with Diplomat, but very limited.
I might be more worried about the interaction with Caravan Guard, or Secret Chamber.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
(https://i.imgur.com/sVA3Wd6.jpg)
Made this card of my girlfriend's cat to try and get her into playing Dominion. Well it didn't quite work and now I'm stuck with this. It's fun, but probably a bit too strong in too many situations.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
(https://i.imgur.com/sVA3Wd6.jpg)
Made this card of my girlfriend's cat to try and get her into playing Dominion. Well it didn't quite work and now I'm stuck with this. It's fun, but probably a bit too strong in too many situations.
Hard to tell but in Kingdoms in which you can trash Estates it seems like a decent idea to pay $5 and get 3 House Cats respectively in Kingdoms with extra Buys buy them directly.
I think that the card is far too good, in the opening you will definitely get one. In general I don't think that cheap cards that suck in quantity are a good design direction. Of course it is a good idea to stop monostrategies but if you try to do it like this players will at least get one or two copies and that's it.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
By my definition anything self gaining that can f** you up is a rats. Your cat might be to tame to qualify.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
By my definition anything self gaining that can f** you up is a rats. Your cat might be to tame to qualify.
In fact, reading the card again, it isn't actually self gaining.
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I decided to turn "Spiders" into "Wasp".
(https://i.imgur.com/jKtrCsv.png)
The supply of these is equal to the supply of Curses, so 10 in a 2-player game, 20 in a 3-player, etc.
This will turn the game into a temporary slog until all Wasps are trashed. Don't do this unless you have better Action density, sifting, trashing, or buying than your opponent (Buying lets you trash one from your hand to attack more.)
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
By my definition anything self gaining that can f** you up is a rats. Your cat might be to tame to qualify.
I was assuming that anything with mandatory self-gaining was a Rats, so Magpie is also a Rats.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
By my definition anything self gaining that can f** you up is a rats. Your cat might be to tame to qualify.
I was assuming that anything with mandatory self-gaining was a Rats, so Magpie is also a Rats.
Then we will never see eye to eye. I suggest a duel to the death.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
By my definition anything self gaining that can f** you up is a rats. Your cat might be to tame to qualify.
I was assuming that anything with mandatory self-gaining was a Rats, so Magpie is also a Rats.
Then we will never see eye to eye. I suggest a duel to the death.
duel to the Death of rats?
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/442e/th/pre/i/2006/182/9/d/death_of_rats_by_happyhappyclem.jpg)
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my attempt
Ant Farm
$whatever Action
+1 Action
+$1
Gain an ant farm. You may discard any number of actions. +1 card per action discarded.
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When you buy this, you may trash any number of ant farms you have in play. If you trashed any, gain an action card.
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I'm not quite sure what cards like Rats are supposed to be. Animal themed and a 20-pile Supply? Well, if that's the case, I think I've got one for you.
(https://i.imgur.com/sVA3Wd6.jpg)
Made this card of my girlfriend's cat to try and get her into playing Dominion. Well it didn't quite work and now I'm stuck with this. It's fun, but probably a bit too strong in too many situations.
Hard to tell but in Kingdoms in which you can trash Estates it seems like a decent idea to pay $5 and get 3 House Cats respectively in Kingdoms with extra Buys buy them directly.
I think that the card is far too good, in the opening you will definitely get one. In general I don't think that cheap cards that suck in quantity are a good design direction. Of course it is a good idea to stop monostrategies but if you try to do it like this players will at least get one or two copies and that's it.
Agreed; the first House Cat you buy is effectively a $2 Baker. It might work at $4, though the first House Cat may still be to close to an automatic buy.
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How about instead giving an Estate on buying a House Cat? Spares you the clunky "In games using this" and can balance it early on.
Now that I think about it, can you overpay for Estates inheriting e.g. Herald? The fact that on-buy effects in general work tells me yes. So another reason to lose that.
Btw I don't like Rats all that much, personally.
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I decided to turn "Spiders" into "Wasp".
(https://i.imgur.com/jKtrCsv.png)
The supply of these is equal to the supply of Curses, so 10 in a 2-player game, 20 in a 3-player, etc.
This will turn the game into a temporary slog until all Wasps are trashed. Don't do this unless you have better Action density, sifting, trashing, or buying than your opponent (Buying lets you trash one from your hand to attack more.)
This one looks interesting. I assume its zero cost to stop it being used as 'trash for benefit', I'd be tempted to put a 5 cost on it to make it harder to gain early.
Maybe one solution is make it cost 3 but say you can't use coppers to buy it (like with Grand Market). This will also alter the dynamic of buying it to trash another. I looks to me at the moment its maybe too easy to get rid of these while the supply pile is there and once players have figured out the correct strategy it could be down to a lot of luck as to who is left with most of them by the time the supply is exhausted.
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So, I just came up with this thing:
Mice - $4
+1 Action
Gain a Mice.
When you gain this, trash a card from your hand and gain one costing exactly $1 more.
I'm thinking it would be way too good if it had +1 card. As it is now, it's probably still pretty good? It's Rats but without needing another trasher to interact with.
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So, I just came up with this thing:
Mice - $4
+1 Action
Gain a Mice.
When you gain this, trash a card from your hand and gain one costing exactly $1 more.
I'm thinking it would be way too good if it had +1 card. As it is now, it's probably still pretty good? It's Rats but without needing another trasher to interact with.
It looks like you are going to often use this to trash other mice. In that case you want to think very carefully about the cost.
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So, I just came up with this thing:
Mice - $4
+1 Action
Gain a Mice.
When you gain this, trash a card from your hand and gain one costing exactly $1 more.
I'm thinking it would be way too good if it had +1 card. As it is now, it's probably still pretty good? It's Rats but without needing another trasher to interact with.
Certainly it would be much too strong with +1 card - it would be a self-gaining Upgrade then! As is, I agree that it's likely still very (too?) strong - a non-drawing but self-gaining Upgrade that provides its own TfB fodder. Reducing the price to $3 would likely be a sensible nerf(!) since it would prevent upgrading itself to a $5 card.
I just noticed the "When you gain this" clause - the card needs a dividing line if the last sentence is not meant to be executed on-play. But the effect is similar with or without the clause, until the Mice pile runs out - at which point Mice becomes a Ruined Village. So unlike Rats, Mice becomes stronger if you increase the pile size - probably too strong with 10 or more cards per player in the pile.