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Title: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on December 13, 2017, 02:23:23 pm
Since Part III has gotten too cumbersome to do a view all, and the weird bug of starting at the second new message has been happening for a while. I considered naming it Part IIII because I'm a monster.

Speaking of monsters, what monster would store a magic marker next to a dry-erase marker by the whiteboard? Fiends.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: schadd on December 13, 2017, 02:29:37 pm
(me, filing my taxes) "wh- wait, this is a dry-erase marker! where did i leave m- oh no"
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on December 14, 2017, 01:30:54 am
Relevant thread:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11311.0
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on December 14, 2017, 01:40:01 am
Relevant thread:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11311.0

That was Mafia Games.  Here we use true numbers.

(I almost said real numbers, but realized how wrong that could go)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on December 14, 2017, 04:28:40 am
That was Mafia Games.  Here we use true numbers.

Roman numerals are fake numbers, they don't even have a zero.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on December 14, 2017, 05:35:39 am
Relevant thread:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11311.0

That was Mafia Games.  Here we use true numbers.

(I almost said real numbers, but realized how wrong that could go)

well, we are using real numbers.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 09:19:55 am
My friend found this weird white humanoid plastic clip/binder clip type thing with a jackal or cat-ish head, but I can't find it online anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 09:22:37 am
My friend found this weird white humanoid plastic clip/binder clip type thing with a jackal or cat-ish head, but I can't find it online anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

it's actually more like a clothespin, now that I think about it
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 11:48:38 am
I drew a picture, how do I upload it from my computer?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on December 14, 2017, 12:13:31 pm
I drew a picture, how do I upload it from my computer?

1. upload it somewhere, e.g. imgbb.com (https://imgbb.com/)
2. when you've uploaded the image, find the page with the original image in original size without any watermarks (on imgbb, you can do that by clicking the thumbnail)
3. when you have the original image open, right click on it and choose "copy image address" or equivalent
4. if you want to create a link (https://image.ibb.co/hVNE4m/800px_Claude_Monet_1899_Nadar_crop.jpg) to that image, use the url tags
5. if you want to post the image directly on the forums, use the img tags (and you can use the width parameter to make the picture smaller if that's necessary):
(https://image.ibb.co/hVNE4m/800px_Claude_Monet_1899_Nadar_crop.jpg)

You can quote this post to see how to use the aforementioned tags if that's unclear.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 12:21:11 pm
Thanks!

https://ibb.co/dzyRH6 (https://ibb.co/dzyRH6)

The img tag still wasn't working for me though
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on December 14, 2017, 12:28:29 pm
Thanks!

https://ibb.co/dzyRH6 (https://ibb.co/dzyRH6)

The img tag still wasn't working for me though

That's because you're not using the link to the image file, you're using a link to the web page that displays the image. In order to get the link to the picture, you actually need to right click on the picture and choose the option to copy the address of the image.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on December 14, 2017, 12:29:08 pm
It's the wrong link. Yout link goes to a page with the image there, not to the page of just the image. You need to use this link: https://preview.ibb.co/iFLvAR/IMG_8575.jpg

PPE ninjad
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on December 14, 2017, 12:30:12 pm
It's the wrong link. Yout link goes to a page with the image there, not to the page of just the image. You need to use this link: https://preview.ibb.co/iFLvAR/IMG_8575.jpg

This link is better: https://image.ibb.co/bBxxPm/IMG_8575.jpg
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 12:35:46 pm
Man I thought I kind of knew how to do things. Thank y'all for your help
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on December 14, 2017, 01:49:38 pm
Random Stuff Part IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ashersky on December 14, 2017, 02:01:13 pm
/tag
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: stevanzzo on December 14, 2017, 02:18:37 pm
Skillfully avoiding Captcha's
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on December 14, 2017, 02:21:06 pm
Already sold out at least 6 auditoriums for Star Wars tonight. Would it be unreasonable for me to call off due to "dread"?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on December 14, 2017, 08:28:30 pm
Skillfully avoiding Captcha's

or go to them, and make money solving them to make accounts for bots
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on December 15, 2017, 06:24:10 pm
Skillfully avoiding Captcha's

Hi, welcome to Forum.Mafiastrategy.com. Have you checked out the non-Forum Games?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on December 15, 2017, 07:46:31 pm
The temptation to click on the STAR WARS thread is strong.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on December 15, 2017, 08:36:14 pm
The temptation to click on the STAR WARS thread is strong.

There aren't any blatant spoilers there that aren't blacked out... but man will that stay true before I get to watch the movie!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on December 15, 2017, 09:01:30 pm
The temptation to click on the STAR WARS thread is strong.

I've been going there and haven't been spoiled yet.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on December 16, 2017, 01:33:40 am
I'm terrible at reviewing movies, and also don't care if someone spoils it for me, so I just don't bother saying anything at all.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on December 17, 2017, 07:56:50 am
The temptation to click on the STAR WARS thread is strong.

There aren't any blatant spoilers there that aren't blacked out... but man will that stay true before I get to watch the movie!

I feel like once I'm there the temptation to hover the blacked out spoilers will overcome me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on December 17, 2017, 11:46:17 am
The temptation to click on the STAR WARS thread is strong.

There aren't any blatant spoilers there that aren't blacked out... but man will that stay true before I get to watch the movie!

I feel like once I'm there the temptation to hover the blacked out spoilers will overcome me.

Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on December 17, 2017, 10:18:41 pm
I've been avoiding the forum entirely. Now that I've seen it, I can go there now.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on December 18, 2017, 12:58:38 am
I don't even know if that was supposed to be Star Wars, but if it was, keep it in the relevant thread, please.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on December 18, 2017, 09:24:17 am
I don't even know if that was supposed to be Star Wars, but if it was, keep it in the relevant thread, please.

That was indeed a mispost. Sorry.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on December 27, 2017, 05:41:30 pm
There was a discussion about typing speed in the previous thread. For reference, I got 104 WPM with my laptop's keyboard at the time (was probably the best result out of a few tries).

Since then, I have bought a gaming keyboard (Steelseries Apex 100 to be specific), and after about a month of getting used to it, I'm getting around 110-125 WPM now. In all fairness, my laptop's keyboard is particularly crappy, but it still goes to show that the gaming stuff is really nice to have even if you're not a gamer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on December 27, 2017, 06:37:53 pm
I get 95 wpm with a terrible technique of using 6 or so fingers and jumping way too much. If I type properly with 10 fingers I get about thirty less. I still haven't managed to just make myself type with 10 fingers all the time and get used to it. I've been trying to do that years ago. I wish I could just make my keyboard give me an electric shock every time I do it differently... I'd probably get it right in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on December 31, 2017, 05:52:02 pm
Happy new year!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 01, 2018, 03:53:49 am
Man, I do not do well with a puking person. Fortunately, she was cognizant enough to dump her puke bucket on her own.

I could never be a father, man.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 02, 2018, 04:44:47 pm
Man, we shifted our policy so that everyone has to work at least until 4:00. I adjusted my schedule for that, and I'm feeling so antsy sitting here this late in the day. It's going to take some getting used to.

I also don't like coming in late at 7:30. All the good parking spaces are taken. *whine*
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 02, 2018, 05:33:19 pm
My post count is an anagram of my respect:

(http://i8.aijaa.com/b/00937/14504407.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on January 02, 2018, 06:04:20 pm
Man, we shifted our policy so that everyone has to work at least until 4:00. I adjusted my schedule for that, and I'm feeling so antsy sitting here this late in the day. It's going to take some getting used to.

I also don't like coming in late at 7:30. All the good parking spaces are taken. *whine*
I either work 10-6 or 5-1. I'm usually in bed sometime around 2-3am daily.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 04, 2018, 09:33:43 am
I've been away from before Christmas until just now. Did I miss anything interesting on F.DS over the Christmas period? Or was 90-93% of it just      moat?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on January 08, 2018, 07:45:04 pm
Has anyone here ever played the board game Diplomacy two-player? I just did so against my dad over the weekend, after years of not having played Diplomacy at all.

Though, I've played A Game of Thrones: The Board Game recently, which is essentially the same thing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 09, 2018, 05:02:11 pm
Today I took a different route while driving home to avoid a congested exit (well, I was also in the wrong lane and decided not to try and push over into congestion). I ended up on a magical journey around my part of the city during rush hour, in which I got to:

* Attempt to navigate home based on mostly unhelpful road signs that pointed to other cities rather than places in my city

* Do a ton of hill starts every 5 metres due to aforementioned congestion - which is great, since I needed to practice them anyway. I think I only stalled a single time, and it wasn't an issue whatsoever because of - you guessed it, congestion meaning I wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway.

* Drive about 20 down down a 30 road that was a dual carriageway because I thought it was another road and was looking for the turn off I recognised and wasn't entirely convinced it was even a dual carriageway due to a tree line on the right blocking line of sight to the other carriageway.

All in all, it was... kinda fun I guess? I eventually found my way back to familiar territory, having spent maybe about 15 minutes extra driving.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 09, 2018, 05:06:45 pm
I just realized that we have both chairs and tables on f.ds!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on January 09, 2018, 06:24:07 pm
I just realized that we have both chairs and tables on f.ds!

Wow. How long have you been here?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 09, 2018, 06:44:47 pm
only 4,5 years.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on January 10, 2018, 12:24:57 am
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 10, 2018, 02:33:05 am
Fun fact: Chairs first post was made to correct a post of mine - although as it turned out IIRC I was correct anyway, or at least his correction also needed further correction. I'm somewhat confident therefore that Chairs named himself because of me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Lekkit on January 10, 2018, 02:36:06 am
Wouldn't he be named YouEatChairs, or something like that then?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2018, 03:03:57 am
Fun fact: Chairs first post was made to correct a post of mine

Wouldn't he be named Mint then?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 10, 2018, 09:26:01 am
Grammar nerd in me is sad. I requested a form element to be changed from "SOP's" to "SOPs." I've been informed that someone else created that element, and we're just reusing it rather than creating a new one.

I wish we could create a new one, but it's out of my hands. I just have to stare at that ugliness for, like, ever.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Qvist on January 11, 2018, 06:12:10 am
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on January 12, 2018, 01:42:13 am
Time flies when every day you're shufflin'?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Archetype on January 12, 2018, 03:58:07 am
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
I just checked and I'm nearing 6 years as well. Pretty crazy considering I hardly even play Dominion anymore.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on January 12, 2018, 08:38:41 am
Fun fact: Chairs first post was made to correct a post of mine - although as it turned out IIRC I was correct anyway, or at least his correction also needed further correction. I'm somewhat confident therefore that Chairs named himself because of me.

Actually as far as I can tell his first two posts were to /in for Mafia games, although this is relevant:

do you know Tables? :P

No, but that name -was- the inspiration for my own.  I was reading the guild preview, saw his username, and decided if we had tables we must need chairs.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: blueblimp on January 12, 2018, 02:27:57 pm
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
I just checked and I'm nearing 6 years as well. Pretty crazy considering I hardly even play Dominion anymore.
We're coming up on the 5 year anniversary of isotropic shutting down (which happened on March 15, 2013). So soon, anybody who came here from isotropic will have been here 5+ years.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on January 12, 2018, 02:47:45 pm
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
I just checked and I'm nearing 6 years as well. Pretty crazy considering I hardly even play Dominion anymore.
We're coming up on the 5 year anniversary of isotropic shutting down (which happened on March 15, 2013). So soon, anybody who came here from isotropic will have been here 5+ years.

March 2013? Really? It seems I registered here in January 2013. There was a period of time where I was on Isotropic but not on F.DS, but I figured I was on the forum for longer before Iso closed down. Weird.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: 2.71828..... on January 12, 2018, 06:55:38 pm
Yeah, i showed up right after Donald X went away from the forum for a while just as iso was going down and goko took over unopposed.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 13, 2018, 11:57:03 am
I'm going to be doing a lot of driving this weekend, can anyone recommend a good podcast or audio book? I've never been into either of those things and have no idea what I'm looking for, I just figured it might be more entertaining than listening to music for hours and people here probably have similar interests to mine.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 13, 2018, 02:21:43 pm
I enjoy the Future of Life (https://futureoflife.org/?s=podcast) podcasts – you can download them free – but you might prefer something more light-hearted. This (https://www.samharris.org/podcast/P21) is also a source for (similarly serious) podcasts.

The audibooks I like are all in German ...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: blueblimp on January 13, 2018, 05:56:34 pm
I'm going to be doing a lot of driving this weekend, can anyone recommend a good podcast or audio book? I've never been into either of those things and have no idea what I'm looking for, I just figured it might be more entertaining than listening to music for hours and people here probably have similar interests to mine.
For podcasts:


Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on January 13, 2018, 06:12:48 pm
My mom was wondering, what's the translation of "Sizilianisches Jagdlied"?  She thinks it's Sicilian Hunting Song, but she just wants to be sure and google translate isn't perfect.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Seprix on January 13, 2018, 06:35:41 pm
New Random Stuff thread. Woohoo.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on January 13, 2018, 07:06:56 pm
My mom was wondering, what's the translation of "Sizilianisches Jagdlied"?  She thinks it's Sicilian Hunting Song, but she just wants to be sure and google translate isn't perfect.

Sicilian Hunting Song is correct.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ashersky on January 14, 2018, 04:54:37 am
My mom was wondering, what's the translation of "Sizilianisches Jagdlied"?  She thinks it's Sicilian Hunting Song, but she just wants to be sure and google translate isn't perfect.

Did she ask you to ask the random stuff thread?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on January 14, 2018, 03:47:24 pm
My mom was wondering, what's the translation of "Sizilianisches Jagdlied"?  She thinks it's Sicilian Hunting Song, but she just wants to be sure and google translate isn't perfect.

Did she ask you to ask the random stuff thread?

No, but I suggested it, for fear of being wrong.  Even though it wouldn't have been me that was wrong.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: crax on January 15, 2018, 04:07:26 pm
I had a dream about this site/dominion, which is weird because I hardly actually play and I've been away for a while. there were a bunch of new threads about a new card, called vaccinate, but it was always written as V*CCINATE. I'm not anti-vax
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on January 16, 2018, 09:51:01 am
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
I just checked and I'm nearing 6 years as well. Pretty crazy considering I hardly even play Dominion anymore.
We're coming up on the 5 year anniversary of isotropic shutting down (which happened on March 15, 2013). So soon, anybody who came here from isotropic will have been here 5+ years.

Isotropic is going down?! What???
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on January 16, 2018, 09:51:46 am
I'm going to be doing a lot of driving this weekend, can anyone recommend a good podcast or audio book? I've never been into either of those things and have no idea what I'm looking for, I just figured it might be more entertaining than listening to music for hours and people here probably have similar interests to mine.

I highly recommend Harmontown.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 16, 2018, 04:59:09 pm
I have 4 GB RAM and this processor. (http://fs1.directupload.net/images/180116/vpkkkalc.png) What is more likely to be the bottleneck factor of slowing my computer down when I do things like have a bunch of firefox windows open and a stream running and play a 2d game, or at worst play prismata? (https://play.prismata.net/)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 16, 2018, 05:07:31 pm
I have 4 GB RAM and this processor. (http://fs1.directupload.net/images/180116/vpkkkalc.png) What is more likely to be the bottleneck factor of slowing my computer down when I do things like have a bunch of firefox windows open and a stream running and play a 2d game, or at worst play prismata? (https://play.prismata.net/)

The RAM, but can't you just confirm this by opening task manager and checking how much of RAM and CPU is being used by each program?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 16, 2018, 05:14:23 pm
I have 4 GB RAM and this processor. (http://fs1.directupload.net/images/180116/vpkkkalc.png) What is more likely to be the bottleneck factor of slowing my computer down when I do things like have a bunch of firefox windows open and a stream running and play a 2d game, or at worst play prismata? (https://play.prismata.net/)

The RAM, but can't you just confirm this by opening task manager and checking how much of RAM and CPU is being used by each program?

... it's the RAM!

thanks ^)^
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on January 16, 2018, 05:52:43 pm
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.
I just checked and I'm nearing 6 years as well. Pretty crazy considering I hardly even play Dominion anymore.

Almost 7 years here.  I was here on day 2? 3?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 17, 2018, 12:03:13 pm
frick, I remember why I have so little ram. I used to have twice as much but one of the sockets seems to be broken so I removed one of two bars. And indeed, I just tried putting the one into the other socket and nothing worked...

so not only do I have to replace the RAM I have rather than adding to it, but I have to do a 1-bar setup.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 17, 2018, 04:13:31 pm
frick, I remember why I have so little ram. I used to have twice as much but one of the sockets seems to be broken so I removed one of two bars. And indeed, I just tried putting the one into the other socket and nothing worked...

Well, that makes sense. I was actually a bit surprised that you had that processor with only 4 gigs of RAM.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 25, 2018, 01:25:05 pm
I have 5 000 unread emails in my "Primary" tab on gmail.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: schadd on January 25, 2018, 02:15:23 pm
i have 5000 boyfriends
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 25, 2018, 03:23:20 pm
i have 5000 boyfriends

They can't be all that impressive. Awaclus won't even open their e-mails.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 25, 2018, 03:42:13 pm
i have 5000 boyfriends

They can't be all that impressive. Awaclus won't even open their e-mails.

Most of them work at YouTube, too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 30, 2018, 05:07:33 pm
I think it's probably been over a year since I played Dominion Online. Not because I think ShIT have done a bad job or anything, just... I've never really felt the urge to do so. It's kinda weird, in a way. I still play Dominion face to face occasionally, but I'm probably pretty mediocre at the game now due to lack of practice.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 31, 2018, 01:54:05 pm
I'm doing a production of Spring Awakening. I may be in over my head. That music is actually quite tough.

Oh well, it'll be exciting, and I get to portray a horny teenager. Fun times.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: schadd on January 31, 2018, 06:26:18 pm
I get to portray a horny teenager
hey same
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 01, 2018, 04:22:02 pm
My armchair conspiracy theory based on very limited observations: Red-light cameras are more prevalent in poorer neighborhoods because drivers in affluent neighborhoods are more likely to fight the citations, which diminishes the revenue raised by the red-light cameras. I'm ready to be refuted.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on February 11, 2018, 06:28:25 am
A friend of mine is having dental work done on Valentines day. I need some good wisdom tooth related puns to annoy her with. Possibly to make into a faux valentines day card as well for extra amusement.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: enfynet on February 11, 2018, 02:47:23 pm
https://www.amazon.com/XL-Gaming-5512444-Jawbreaker-Card/dp/B005K7KDEQ

You could start with something like this.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 12, 2018, 09:31:11 am
A friend of mine is having dental work done on Valentines day. I need some good wisdom tooth related puns to annoy her with. Possibly to make into a faux valentines day card as well for extra amusement.

Back when I could afford to remove only one wisdom tooth, I was awake for the whole thing. It sounded horrible as the doctor broke the tooth. You could say that nobody deserves a break-up on Valentine's Day.

Probably unlikely your friend's getting gassed. Missed opportunity for saying she's left breathless (thanks, Futurama).

But if she's going under, then there could be puns about being swept off her feet or being dizzy.

And I would only recommend this if she has the darkest of humor since this is making light of a legitimate problem. Leave a card for her to wake up to with hearts on it and the caption, "Was it good for you?" Actually I feel bad suggesting that now, but I don't know how black your friend's humor is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on February 13, 2018, 12:45:15 pm
That last one is hilarious. Sadly I'm not actually going to be seeing her tomorrow, so a card for right after wouldn't work, but she'd definitely enjoy it (the card, that is) - plus as you say I don't think it's going to be a general anesthesia, just local.

Anyway, on more unrelated, random stuff notes, yesterday I watched part of an ISIS recruitment video (as part of training to prevent people being radicalised, just to clarify). It was REALLY not what I expected. Very ordinary looking (probably would be like PG13 if it was rated), with it's own catchy theme song they've written about joining a holy cause etc. Heck, even the guy doing the training said that they "sometimes find themselves singing it around the office". Note that I don't recommend trying to look up the video, unless you want to be on a list somewhere, plus you probably won't find it outside of the dark web.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on February 13, 2018, 01:04:46 pm
I've also seen an ISIS recruitment video (as a part of being an edgelord on the Internet, just to clarify). Honestly they made it sound pretty appealing, it could have easily been an ad for a company that provides some sort of military-themed recreational activities.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jonts26 on February 13, 2018, 02:18:47 pm
I've also seen an ISIS recruitment video (as a part of being an edgelord on the Internet, just to clarify). Honestly they made it sound pretty appealing, it could have easily been an ad for a company that provides some sort of military-themed recreational activities.

Well yeah you don't radicalize people by screaming death to infidels or the holocaust was a hoax, you gotta put a nice face on it. And some production value doesn't hurt. Smile, be courteous, and offer something people feel they're missing. A sense of community, or validation, or even just a fun adventure.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 13, 2018, 02:41:50 pm
scientology also has pretty nice videos on their website.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on February 13, 2018, 07:52:03 pm
Back when I could afford to remove only one wisdom tooth, I was awake for the whole thing. It sounded horrible as the doctor broke the tooth. You could say that nobody deserves a break-up on Valentine's Day.

I did the same thing, but with all three of my wisdom teeth.  (Fear of general anesthesia, and the gas sent me into a terrible panic, so local only.)  I actually thought the cracking and stuff was pretty cool!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on February 13, 2018, 10:41:20 pm
I had six wisdom teeth! I had them put me under. Really don't think I could have handled being awake for that... I'm a weenie.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 14, 2018, 10:19:53 am
Back when I could afford to remove only one wisdom tooth, I was awake for the whole thing. It sounded horrible as the doctor broke the tooth. You could say that nobody deserves a break-up on Valentine's Day.

I did the same thing, but with all three of my wisdom teeth.  (Fear of general anesthesia, and the gas sent me into a terrible panic, so local only.)  I actually thought the cracking and stuff was pretty cool!

Aw man, one tooth was good enough for me to go through it with local. I did the other three when I had insurance, so I was able to afford going under. It was my first time experiencing a flexible needle though. I remarked on how I didn't even feel the prick, and he explained to me the new needles. Then he wiggled it around while the needle stayed in. That probably alarmed me most of all watching him wiggle the IV delivery shaft while experiencing no pain.

The future can be pretty awesome.

Another possible valentine wish for someone with wisdom teeth extracted could be, "Your mouth is full of cotton to soak up all that blood, and your face is so numb you can't feel how much drool you're dripping, but I would kiss you anyway, valentine."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on February 14, 2018, 11:32:26 pm
I had six wisdom teeth! I had them put me under. Really don't think I could have handled being awake for that... I'm a weenie.

Mutants unite!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on February 15, 2018, 05:44:01 pm
Happy Chinese New Year!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 15, 2018, 06:30:41 pm
Fun game about an AI taking over the world with a paperclip factory. (http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html) Sort of like candybox but better.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on February 16, 2018, 09:52:55 am
Fun game about an AI taking over the world with a paperclip factory. (http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html) Sort of like candybox but better.

That was pretty fun, took me 4-5 hours to complete.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on February 17, 2018, 11:53:13 am
Fun game about an AI taking over the world with a paperclip factory. (http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html) Sort of like candybox but better.

That was pretty fun, took me 4-5 hours to complete.

Yeah, about the same for me. Lots of changing mechanics as the game went on.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Titandrake on February 20, 2018, 03:56:27 am
Them's Fightin' Herds is coming out in a few days.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 27, 2018, 10:17:50 am
I don't know if it's age or what, but I'm finding myself more and more growling at myself that I already had a bowel movement less than 24 hours ago. I don't want to have another one so soon afterwards.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on February 27, 2018, 10:18:59 am
I don't know if it's age or what, but I'm finding myself more and more growling at myself that I already had a bowel movement less than 24 hours ago. I don't want to have another one so soon afterwards.

Maybe that kind of stuff is random.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 28, 2018, 02:36:28 pm
Man, nothing like watching the AI in Androminion handle Rats really poorly. It was amusing to win against it, but it got tedious watching it play 14 Rats every turn.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on February 28, 2018, 05:33:06 pm
I had six wisdom teeth! I had them put me under. Really don't think I could have handled being awake for that... I'm a weenie.

I only ever had three :-(

(Also, I need to post something in this thread or I'll miss finding out about all the future random things...)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 08, 2018, 08:52:15 pm
The recent Nintendo Direct reminded me of a bold prediction that I wanted to put in writing somewhere (which I'm putting in spoilers in case you want to watch the Nintendo Direct first):

I suspect that at least one (probably two or three) battle modes from Kirby Battle Royale will appear in the next Smash Bros game. If I had to guess which ones, I would guess Apple Scramble and Dream Theater are the most likely, with Flag Ball maybe coming in third. In all cases, they will be completely re-themed, but mechanically similar to their Kirby counterparts.

My reasoning:

Hal regularly recycles mechanics (and even sound effects! see Melee and Kirby Air Ride) between Kirby games and Smash Bros. The co-op in the Subspace Emissary in Brawl is heavily modeled after Kirby Superstar; the Smash Run mode on Smash 3DS was clearly based on City Trial from Kirby Air Ride; Master Hand is Wam-Bam Rock from Kirby Superstar. After a few weeks of playing Kirby Battle Royale the idea occurred to me that the game might have been partially developed as a "test run" for certain battle modes in a Kirby game, to see what would be popular, so they could decide which ones to implement in the next Smash Bros. game (which will get magnitudes more plays than a Kirby spin-off game). The Smash series is always looking for new modes that will help prevent people from saying "this is just like the last one with a few more characters", and adding more "party-style" mini-games would help accomplish that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on March 09, 2018, 07:41:25 am
Random question: Where did the meme "We are all Wandering Winder" originate from? Can't find where it all started.. :/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on March 09, 2018, 09:30:25 am
Random question: Where did the meme "We are all Wandering Winder" originate from? Can't find where it all started.. :/

Pretty sure Wandering Winder started it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on March 09, 2018, 11:40:58 am
Inb4 “where did the WW meme come from” becomes a meme.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on March 09, 2018, 02:03:27 pm
The recent Nintendo Direct reminded me of a bold prediction that I wanted to put in writing somewhere (which I'm putting in spoilers in case you want to watch the Nintendo Direct first):

I suspect that at least one (probably two or three) battle modes from Kirby Battle Royale will appear in the next Smash Bros game. If I had to guess which ones, I would guess Apple Scramble and Dream Theater are the most likely, with Flag Ball maybe coming in third. In all cases, they will be completely re-themed, but mechanically similar to their Kirby counterparts.

My reasoning:

Hal regularly recycles mechanics (and even sound effects! see Melee and Kirby Air Ride) between Kirby games and Smash Bros. The co-op in the Subspace Emissary in Brawl is heavily modeled after Kirby Superstar; the Smash Run mode on Smash 3DS was clearly based on City Trial from Kirby Air Ride; Master Hand is Wam-Bam Rock from Kirby Superstar. After a few weeks of playing Kirby Battle Royale the idea occurred to me that the game might have been partially developed as a "test run" for certain battle modes in a Kirby game, to see what would be popular, so they could decide which ones to implement in the next Smash Bros. game (which will get magnitudes more plays than a Kirby spin-off game). The Smash series is always looking for new modes that will help prevent people from saying "this is just like the last one with a few more characters", and adding more "party-style" mini-games would help accomplish that.

I think it seems likely. Smash Bros. has a ton of mechanics borrowed from games Sakurai worked on. It's frustrating that he seems to be a bit of an auteur and insists on including his own work so heavily in a game that's really more about the diversity of Nintendo in general. Not just in mechanics (although tripping was definitely something we all loved, right?), but you can see it in things like how much KI stuff was included in Smash 4 (3 characters, one of which had the largest custom move pool of any character) and Kirby before that. I'm hopeful the next smash will be different but I'm not expecting it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 09, 2018, 08:06:48 pm
Inb4 “where did the WW meme come from” becomes a meme.

It has already been in the Cards Against Humanity deck for quite a while.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2018, 03:15:38 pm
Is 1/3+1/3 equal to 2/3? (https://www.quora.com/Is-1-3-1-3-equal-to-2-3)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2018, 04:12:24 pm
Is 1/3+1/3 equal to 2/3? (https://www.quora.com/Is-1-3-1-3-equal-to-2-3)

The suggested “similar questions” at the bottom are also a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 18, 2018, 05:11:45 am
This (https://www.facebook.com/tanksbeingtanks/posts/1792630064129064) is probably the most convincing joke explanation I've seen. It has citations to 8 different sources and all.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 18, 2018, 08:47:26 am
I find it interesting how there's a tendency to overstate the amount of time we wait.

For example, I was walking into work and was behind my co-worker by about 15-20 seconds. I could see him up ahead in the parking lot, but he quickly vanished from view. When I arrived at the elevator, the doors were already shutting, and he was whisked away to our office.

When I arrived, he told me that he was standing in the elevator lobby for what must've been 4 minutes before anyone realized nobody pressed the call button. I literally followed him into the building and was certainly not 4 minutes behind him. I don't think he was attempting to lie. I've seen this happen a lot, including in my own tellings. We'll say that something took a long time when it might have only been 30 seconds.

I think it's for dramatic flair. While 20 seconds is a long time to wait before replying to someone's question, it's more dramatic to say, "It took Bob 5 minutes to tell me my ass didn't look big in these pants." It's not as grandiose to say that I waited 20 seconds for a response. That doesn't sound long at all.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: scott_pilgrim on April 18, 2018, 08:58:53 am
I find it interesting how there's a tendency to overstate the amount of time we wait.

For example, I was walking into work and was behind my co-worker by about 15-20 seconds. I could see him up ahead in the parking lot, but he quickly vanished from view. When I arrived at the elevator, the doors were already shutting, and he was whisked away to our office.

When I arrived, he told me that he was standing in the elevator lobby for what must've been 4 minutes before anyone realized nobody pressed the call button. I literally followed him into the building and was certainly not 4 minutes behind him. I don't think he was attempting to lie. I've seen this happen a lot, including in my own tellings. We'll say that something took a long time when it might have only been 30 seconds.

I think it's for dramatic flair. While 20 seconds is a long time to wait before replying to someone's question, it's more dramatic to say, "It took Bob 5 minutes to tell me my ass didn't look big in these pants." It's not as grandiose to say that I waited 20 seconds for a response. That doesn't sound long at all.

This is something I've thought about before too. My guess is that people slightly overstate lengths of time to make sure that their claimed length sounds impressive; but then people start to think of what is actually 20 seconds as being 25 seconds, so they then try to slightly overstate what they think of as 25 seconds (which is actually 20 seconds), so now 20 seconds gets labeled as 30 seconds; and this process iterates until today when people are now referring to seconds as minutes.

What's even more interesting to me is that I suspect there's an upper bound (e.g. I don't think we will ever reach a point where 20 seconds gets referred to as 4 hours); and also that it seems like we don't get this far off when measuring longer units of time. (People may refer to 30 seconds as 5 minutes, meaning they're off by a factor of 10; but I don't think anyone ever refers to 1 hour as 10 hours). Maybe this is because people are more likely to actually measure longer periods of time by looking at a clock?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on April 18, 2018, 09:42:32 am
I think people just dramatically underestimate how long 30 seconds actually is.

This is super prevalent in writing. Even high prestige books commit this fallacy fairly often. For example, in Harry Potter #5, there is a scene where a character looks at another for a full minute before (I think) starting to laugh. 10 seconds would be an appropriate amount of time that feels really socially strange and unnaturally long. 20 seconds would be seriously pushing it. 60 is nuts.

Well, and it seems to me that people just do the same thing, to a lesser degree, when they talk. They think 'long time' and then put out the 4 minute number. Well, it was a long time; 20 seconds, in this case, is long. It's just not 4 minutes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2018, 02:08:47 pm
I think the over-exaggerating phenomenon is actually due to social preference. Most people when telling a story or relating a bit of information are actually trying to convey and emotion to the other person, not facts. In Kuildeous's situation it happens because for realistic purposes Kuildeous does not care how long their co-worker waited for the elevator. That is literally a useless fact that has no relevance to Kuildeous's life. The only two reasons to relate that information to Kuildeous is to 1) make kuildeous laugh at the ridiculousness of a bunch of people waiting around and realizing they hadn't pushed the button, or 2) receive empathy from kuildeous for the time he had to wait for the elevator and to accomplish either of those goals it is helpful to exaggerate the time spent waiting. Compare this form of discussion (non factual but conveys an emotion) to strictly factual conversation (small talk) and people greatly prefer exaggerated conversation. Of course the goal would be to have a strictly factual conversation that also conveys an emotions but that is rare and usually requires the conversing parties to have a close relationship.  In the end I think this form of communication has become more prevalent in modern times (especially in america) because people feel the need to converse much more often. If the need arises to converse and one has an option of small talk or exaggerating a story to convey an emotion they will go with the exaggerated story every time.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on April 19, 2018, 05:39:26 pm
I agree with silverspawn, people often are bad at estimating measurements.
For example, I recently ordered something 20 centimeters long, and it was less than half the size i had imagined.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on April 19, 2018, 05:49:47 pm
Random body part estimates:

Your elbow to your fingertips is roughly 40cm
Hold out your arm to the side. The distance from fingertips to... somewhere around the opposite side of your neck is about 1 meter.
Hold out both arms to the side. The distance from fingertip to fingertip is roughly your height.
Stretch apart your thumb and little finger on one hand. That's about 15-20cm.

Rather ironic using body parts to estimate metric lengths, I know, but these come in handy sometimes. Of course, your kilometerage may vary depending on your height/lengths/body shape.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on April 19, 2018, 06:55:29 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on April 20, 2018, 03:43:13 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...

Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 20, 2018, 04:10:52 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...

Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?

Yep, its awful. Our rulers are 12 inches across the top and then it has 30cm flipped on the bottom. If you are a runner you are somewhat aware of distances because races are 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, and 3200 meter distances though it is assumed those last to are one and two miles.

But yes I measure my height as 6 feet 1 inch, 9 feet ceilings are a common measurement. Legal descriptions for properties are described in feet. Survey's of land use feet. It's really only the scientific fields that use metric units. It is an extremely depressing fact.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on April 20, 2018, 04:23:46 pm
Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?
And j is the easiest to type letter on our keyboards, and the tenth month is October.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 20, 2018, 04:28:50 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...

Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?

Oh yeah, very little metric happens in America. There are some exceptions.

As stated, there are races that are measured in meters. You can buy a 2-liter bottle of soda, but don't expect anyone to figure out how much soda is in 300 milliliters.

Many wrenches are sold in two sets to account for cars (and whatever else) built with metric bolts.

I always hear of street drugs being sold in the realm of grams, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of that. But a lot of medicine lists ingredients in milligrams.

When people aren't up for running a marathon (26.2 miles, I believe), they may sign up to run a 5K or a 10K. 

Aside from the scientific community, everyday life in America is almost exclusively imperial measurements. Unless I'm washing down 500 mg of ibuprofen with a 2-liter Coke after running a 5K, Americans would just stare at me blankly if I try to use anything metric.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 20, 2018, 04:37:12 pm
If you really want to have some fun, go to any discussion group of the Pathfinder RPG (based on 3rd edition of Dungeons & Dragons) and suggest that the game should be published in metric. People will spiral into a frothing fit to tell you why metric is a bad idea in their RPG.

My favorite "argument" is that if the game changes so that each square is 2 meters instead of 5 feet (which the Star Wars RPG actually did do BTW), then the iconic "5-foot step" would have to be renamed to the "6.56-foot step" and that's too hard to memorize. Some people are so entrenched in imperial that they can't even fathom renaming it to a "2-meter step." Yes, 5 feet sounds like quite a large step; it's not a literal single step.

I'm pretty bad at metric, but I've had some practice with the Torg RPG in 1990. It used metric even when it was an American publisher. Now that it's owned by a German publisher, metric is even more natural.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on April 20, 2018, 04:40:00 pm
I always hear of street drugs being sold in the realm of grams, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of that. But a lot of medicine lists ingredients in milligrams.

In all fairness, I don't have any idea how much is one milligram.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on April 20, 2018, 05:08:31 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...

Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?

I remember those 15/30cm rulers having the other side be in 6/12 inches, and so 30cm is approximately a foot. That's like the main instance of me being able to understand imperial. After that you have one yard equal to three feet, and then the conversions stop being easy.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on April 21, 2018, 03:10:39 am
As far as I'm concerned, one yard = one meter and one foot = the distance that sound travels in 1 ms. They're both off like by 10% but that's close enough.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on April 21, 2018, 04:43:02 am
If you really want to have some fun, go to any discussion group of the Pathfinder RPG (based on 3rd edition of Dungeons & Dragons) and suggest that the game should be published in metric. People will spiral into a frothing fit to tell you why metric is a bad idea in their RPG.

My favorite "argument" is that if the game changes so that each square is 2 meters instead of 5 feet (which the Star Wars RPG actually did do BTW), then the iconic "5-foot step" would have to be renamed to the "6.56-foot step" and that's too hard to memorize. Some people are so entrenched in imperial that they can't even fathom renaming it to a "2-meter step." Yes, 5 feet sounds like quite a large step; it's not a literal single step.

I'm pretty bad at metric, but I've had some practice with the Torg RPG in 1990. It used metric even when it was an American publisher. Now that it's owned by a German publisher, metric is even more natural.
Well RPGs are an area where I actually kind of get this, especially if the setting is medieval where you wouldn't have a standardized system in-world anyway and people would use their actual feet etc. to measure things.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Cuzz on April 21, 2018, 11:46:25 am
The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 23, 2018, 08:54:23 am
Well RPGs are an area where I actually kind of get this, especially if the setting is medieval where you wouldn't have a standardized system in-world anyway and people would use their actual feet etc. to measure things.

I think you may be giving them too much credit. If they were really in it for the verisimilitude, then they would have different measurements of feet based on the king of the land they are visiting. Then you get into funky physics like an arrow being fired in Kingdom A at only 2/3 the distance of it being fired in Kingdom B.

I think this really boils down to grognards. Especially in Pathfinder, which exists solely because D&D players did not want to leave behind D&D 3rd edition, so they published their own rulebook of the open license rules and continued using the same rules for another 10 years. Pathfinder players are not known for being progressive.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on April 23, 2018, 10:03:51 am
Well, in TTRPGs, it's probably best to use the units you're the most familiar with. If you have to do conversions in your head, that breaks the immersion much more than using a unit which realistically couldn't be used by the characters of the setting but every player understands perfectly.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 23, 2018, 11:21:42 am
Well, in TTRPGs, it's probably best to use the units you're the most familiar with.

This is true for everybody. We work best with what is familiar to us. I still use feet and pounds in everything. I recognize that it would be easier overall if America switches to metric, but there would be a period of growing pains. I'm guilty of this too. If we suddenly went metric I'd be thrown off if someone told me to drive 800 meters and then turn left. I'm actually pretty bad about being told to turn left in 300 feet too, but it'd be worse if it were metric for me.

So yeah, it would be easier to use the units people are familiar with in TTRPGs. Seems like RPGs would be the best place to change systems since it's not that important to get the units right in a game. Not like getting confused cooking something or sending directions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on April 26, 2018, 08:59:20 pm
test
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on April 26, 2018, 11:30:13 pm
test

Back in the old days, on the MineZ minecraft server, they would censor swear words, and "test" was one of them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Puk on April 28, 2018, 06:41:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGeiGVvVRBY
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 05, 2018, 07:44:40 am
http://brainchip.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

Check this out, it's awesome.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on May 05, 2018, 01:29:15 pm
What in the multiverses was that?

Lol that they are Norwegians :D
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 05, 2018, 11:08:52 pm
http://brainchip.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

Check this out, it's awesome.

Well, shit, now I'm sucked in.

Gives me an interesting idea for an RPG though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on May 06, 2018, 01:56:06 am
I had a dream where someone made this big, complicated graph deciding whether or not something should be posted in Random Stuff or if it should go in a new thread.  It kind of reminded me of those phase diagrams posted a while back, and it included criteria such as how interesting it is, how much discussion you are expecting to get from it, and how exciting/exhilarating the topic is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: LaLight on May 06, 2018, 04:09:30 am
http://brainchip.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

Check this out, it's awesome.

Awesome, I couldn’t stop until i finished it!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 07, 2018, 08:47:41 am
http://brainchip.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

Check this out, it's awesome.

I don't feel the payoff at the end was worth it. It became a jumbled mess IMO. But having a protagonist shift is an underused device, and I feel that was successfully done here. It was remarkably consistent in its worldview, even bringing back older elements we had forgotten about.

And the opening was pretty fun. It makes me wonder if this was one of the inspirations for the Rick and Morty episode with splitting possibilities, though the ability to talk with your other selves is a nice touch, especially since it helped get Ulf out of some sticky situations.

The Buddhist virus makes me wonder if the artist knew what Buddhism was or if they simply chose something absurd to offset the Christian virus. It was not subtle in its disdain for religion though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2018, 07:19:46 pm
In 2011, someone made a thread called "1-card Combo" on f.ds.

The card in question was Farming Village. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=203.0)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on May 17, 2018, 09:49:58 am
In 2011, someone made a thread called "1-card Combo" on f.ds.

The card in question was Farming Village. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=203.0)

Even though the OP way way wrong; I feel like the welcome to a new poster could have been more welcoming. No idea why Theory locked that thread.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on May 17, 2018, 10:07:33 am
A little under half of all members of this forum have 0 posts. Well over half have either 0 or 1. (As far as I know, that doesn't include any posts they might have in the forum games section).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SirClemens on May 17, 2018, 12:39:13 pm
I linked the card alchemy revealtion in a non Dominon Discord and forgot this post was in it:

I hope this is the first thread someone finds on f.ds.

If someone from that Discord clicks on that link: You are welcome, McGarnacle.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on May 18, 2018, 10:48:48 pm
What have we done...

(http://i.thinimg.com/img/3bvt.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 19, 2018, 03:19:49 pm
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on May 19, 2018, 05:01:17 pm
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?

Instructor
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on May 19, 2018, 07:39:57 pm
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?

Sometimes Lecturer.  Depends on the college.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on May 19, 2018, 07:42:45 pm
My problem with estimating centimeters is that because I'm in the United States, the only time I use centimeters is in science, and in those cases the actual values they quantify don't really matter, and I end up thinking of centimeters as short inches.  However, I've noticed that in my mind I sometimes think of it being about 1.5 centimeters to an inch, not 2.5 centimeters to an inch...

Wait... WAIT. I know the US uses a lot of Imperial units, but do you seriously like not even use cm and m on a daily basis? Like, do schoolkids not have standard 15cm/30cm rulers? Do people not know doorframes are about 2m high? Is it not common knowledge that 1 mile is 1 kilometer, 609 metres, 34 centimetres and 4 milimetres? Okay that last one is maybe not common here either but still, this blows my mind that you guys are using feet and inches for... most things?

I'm sorry you had to find out this way.  It really is terrible, especially for those of us who actually prefer metric.  Maybe by the end of my life it'll change; I'm trying to teach our kids to use metric.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on May 19, 2018, 07:44:47 pm
I agree with silverspawn, people often are bad at estimating measurements.
For example, I recently ordered something 20 centimeters long, and it was less than half the size i had imagined.

Was... was this supposed to be a dick joke?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on May 19, 2018, 09:07:38 pm
I don't know anybody who uses metric units over here. I agree that it's troubling, but then it's hardly the only anti intellectual trend in the US.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on May 20, 2018, 08:54:37 am
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?

Instructor

"Tutor" would be okay in a lot of settings, and I think it has more academic connotations than "instructor". It's true that in the UK, "professor" is usually reserved for tenured professorships, whereas in the US it tends to mean almost anyone with an academic teaching post. It also depends on what you understand by the word tutorial :-)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on May 20, 2018, 11:59:29 am
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?

Instructor

"Tutor" would be okay in a lot of settings, and I think it has more academic connotations than "instructor". It's true that in the UK, "professor" is usually reserved for tenured professorships, whereas in the US it tends to mean almost anyone with an academic teaching post. It also depends on what you understand by the word tutorial :-)

I've only ever heard tutor used for one-on-one teaching.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on May 20, 2018, 12:01:38 pm
What have we done...

Thanks for posting this. Otherwise I'd have missed out on a lot of funny posts.

Totally unrelated – what is the common English term for the person doing a lecture or tutorial at a university that works in both cases? That person isn't always a professor. Lecturer?

Instructor

"Tutor" would be okay in a lot of settings, and I think it has more academic connotations than "instructor". It's true that in the UK, "professor" is usually reserved for tenured professorships, whereas in the US it tends to mean almost anyone with an academic teaching post. It also depends on what you understand by the word tutorial :-)

As an instructor, I never heard the word tutor used for the speaker of record at an educational meeting. "Tutor" usually refers to somebody who works with a student one on one.

That said, if the question is "what should I call this person verbally to get their attention," then the answer is that if they do not have a PhD, you either say "professor" or "Mr./Mrs./MS. Name."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on May 20, 2018, 01:08:17 pm
I've only ever heard tutor used for one-on-one teaching.

I'm using "tutorial" in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutorial_system -- as I mentioned to silver, it really depends what he means by "tutorial" :-)

I came through the Oxford system as an undergraduate, and then tutored for a couple of years as a grad student too. Tutorials were almost always either in pairs or threes, though I had a few on my own because of the way some stuff worked out as a third-year undergrad, and I found those the most terrifying! I think as a student, I had maybe 3-5 tutorials per week during the intense bits of termtime, on top of 10+ hours of lectures.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on May 20, 2018, 01:15:03 pm
At German universities tutorials are usually acompanying a lecture and are held by more advanced advanced students once or twice a week with groups between 5-20 students.
Students do exercises about the lecture material at home, and the tutorials discuss the solutions to those (after the students have worked on them themselves) furthermore. students can ask the tutor if they have trouble with understanding parts of the lecture during these tutorials.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on May 20, 2018, 01:36:27 pm
As an instructor, I never heard the word tutor used for the speaker of record at an educational meeting. "Tutor" usually refers to somebody who works with a student one on one.

That said, if the question is "what should I call this person verbally to get their attention," then the answer is that if they do not have a PhD, you either say "professor" or "Mr./Mrs./MS. Name."

It depends where you are. Here in the UK, most people doing teaching are not correctly called professors, because "professor" is only the very top tier of the academic hierarchy, with readers, lecturers and research fellows below that (while still holding a PhD). If you address all of them "professor", you may just sound like you're trying to suck up, or are generally ignorant/unobservant. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_ranks)

I'm assuming silver wanted to know for  fanfic-writing purposes, and I'm relatively sure that he leans towards US English for that, but on the off-chance his interest is academic, I figure it's worth covering all bases :-)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 20, 2018, 01:46:29 pm
I've only ever heard tutor used for one-on-one teaching.

I'm using "tutorial" in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutorial_system -- as I mentioned to silver, it really depends what he means by "tutorial" :-)

That's exactly what I meant! Which is also what Watno said.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on May 20, 2018, 02:02:31 pm
I've only ever heard tutor used for one-on-one teaching.

I'm using "tutorial" in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutorial_system -- as I mentioned to silver, it really depends what he means by "tutorial" :-)

That's exactly what I meant! Which is also what Watno said.

Umm, that article talks about goup sizes of 2 to 3, whcih is not what I said.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 20, 2018, 02:04:18 pm
I confess to only reading a few lines and concluding it was what I meant. What you said, then, sizes of 5-40
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on May 20, 2018, 09:39:37 pm
As an instructor, I never heard the word tutor used for the speaker of record at an educational meeting. "Tutor" usually refers to somebody who works with a student one on one.

That said, if the question is "what should I call this person verbally to get their attention," then the answer is that if they do not have a PhD, you either say "professor" or "Mr./Mrs./MS. Name."

It depends where you are. Here in the UK, most people doing teaching are not correctly called professors, because "professor" is only the very top tier of the academic hierarchy, with readers, lecturers and research fellows below that (while still holding a PhD). If you address all of them "professor", you may just sound like you're trying to suck up, or are generally ignorant/unobservant. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_ranks)

I'm assuming silver wanted to know for  fanfic-writing purposes, and I'm relatively sure that he leans towards US English for that, but on the off-chance his interest is academic, I figure it's worth covering all bases :-)

In my experience teaching undergrads and talking to people in confusing academic or administrative roles, whenever someone addresses us as “professor”, we just assume they are confused (which, to be honest, even actual professors don’t get it right). If they keep addressing us as “professor” after you’ve repeatedly signed your emails as, say, “Kevin”, THEN we assume they are sucking up.

We would only make fun of a student if they started an email as “hey professor Jim” or some such.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 22, 2018, 05:09:52 am
http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html

You can try to draw symbols. Fun!

When I drew the deadly hollow symbol from harry potter, one of the results I got was the interrobang (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang). When I tried to draw the interrobang, I didn't get the interrobang anymore :'(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 22, 2018, 08:15:11 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on May 22, 2018, 11:18:45 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.

You want to design several organs?  We would probably poop out of our mouths if it weren't for the fact that it's not sanitary.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on May 23, 2018, 01:39:42 am
It’s funny when you are randomly browsing the internet and you recognize someone. Our favourite mod got comment of the week in a pretty well-known blog (don’t want to give more details in case that’s doxxing).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on May 23, 2018, 06:18:44 am
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.

You want to design several organs?  We would probably poop out of our mouths if it weren't for the fact that it's not sanitary.
Yep, it's defnitely best to keep the number of openings where problematic stuff can enter to a minimum. When you design a spaceship, you don't drop airlocks all over the place for different functions [this is me speaking from my vast experience in designing spaceships].
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on May 23, 2018, 09:33:17 am
I think it makes a lot of sense to have multi-purpose body parts. In many cases, it's easier for an existing body part to evolve to perform another function in addition to what it was already doing than for a completely new body part to emerge. For example, mudskippers use their fins for walking on land, because that's easier than growing a pair of legs or something.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 23, 2018, 12:57:17 pm
I posted on Facebook that a co-worker looks a lot like Moss from the IT Crowd. Now my status is filled with Moss GIFs, and I'm deliriously happy.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on May 24, 2018, 04:16:11 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.

You want to design several organs?  We would probably poop out of our mouths if it weren't for the fact that it's not sanitary.
Yep, it's defnitely best to keep the number of openings where problematic stuff can enter to a minimum. When you design a spaceship, you don't drop airlocks all over the place for different functions [this is me speaking from my vast experience in designing spaceships].

I think it makes a lot of sense to have multi-purpose body parts. In many cases, it's easier for an existing body part to evolve to perform another function in addition to what it was already doing than for a completely new body part to emerge. For example, mudskippers use their fins for walking on land, because that's easier than growing a pair of legs or something.

And if you want proof that "intelligent design" is utter bullshit, look no further than these two systems and ask which the world looks more like!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Polk5440 on May 24, 2018, 05:39:16 pm
PCA helps one think like blindfolds help one see. Sorry. Just had to get that out of my system.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on May 24, 2018, 05:40:46 pm
...principal component analysis?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 24, 2018, 07:53:58 pm
And if you want proof that "intelligent design" is utter bullshit, look no further than these two systems and ask which the world looks more like!

Those be fighting words
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: blueblimp on May 24, 2018, 08:08:16 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Fun fact: newborn babies can breathe through their noses while suckling using their mouths. We lose this ability at some point later.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2018, 09:18:47 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.

You want to design several organs?  We would probably poop out of our mouths if it weren't for the fact that it's not sanitary.
Yep, it's defnitely best to keep the number of openings where problematic stuff can enter to a minimum. When you design a spaceship, you don't drop airlocks all over the place for different functions [this is me speaking from my vast experience in designing spaceships].

Well, you don't open the airlock to send out messages.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2018, 09:19:49 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Fun fact: newborn babies can breathe through their noses while suckling using their mouths. We lose this ability at some point later.

They also don't need to make smalltalk. Babies seem to have it made.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 24, 2018, 11:26:09 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Fun fact: newborn babies can breathe through their noses while suckling using their mouths. We lose this ability at some point later.

I must test this.

A lot.

For science.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 25, 2018, 12:06:15 am
Time to put on your lab coat and head out to the bars.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on June 04, 2018, 01:56:11 pm
Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on June 04, 2018, 04:06:53 pm
Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

Having an entire show on the hard drive has had that feature ever since mkv chapters.

EDIT: Looked it up, chapters were introduced into mkv in 2003-08-04.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on June 04, 2018, 07:30:06 pm
Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

What's worth watching on Netflix these days?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: LastFootnote on June 04, 2018, 11:17:07 pm
Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

Does that mean they got rid of the thing where it automatically skips the intro? Because for some shows it automatically does (or did) skip the intro whenever you watch more than one episode at a time. And sometimes, like with Series of Unfortunate Events, the intro differs from episode to episode and I want to see it, which means I have to rewind. Which is annoying when I'm watching on the Wii U (which is the Netflix device I have hooked up to that TV), and the controls are sometimes unresponsive.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on June 05, 2018, 03:34:04 am
Does that mean they got rid of the thing where it automatically skips the intro? Because for some shows it automatically does (or did) skip the intro whenever you watch more than one episode at a time.

No, it still does that

Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

What's worth watching on Netflix these days?

for you ... uh ... s03e06 of black mirror if you haven't seen it. maaaybe the series of unfortunate events or jessica jones.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: LostPhoenix on June 05, 2018, 01:08:30 pm
Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

What's worth watching on Netflix these days?

Lost in Space looks promising, though I've only seen the first couple episodes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on June 05, 2018, 02:27:33 pm
Most DVDs have always had a skip intro button, called next chapter. Though sometimes DVDs have poor chapter divisions where that doesn't work. In which case fast-forwarding for a few seconds does the same thing, but takes 3-5 seconds instead of 1 second.

And yeah, it's annoying with shows like Family Guy, where they will occasionally have a joke stuck in the middle of the opening credits. It's only happened like 3-4 times in the first 14 seasons, but you still have to watch (or at least fast-forward through) all the credits just in case.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on June 05, 2018, 02:34:57 pm
Does that mean they got rid of the thing where it automatically skips the intro? Because for some shows it automatically does (or did) skip the intro whenever you watch more than one episode at a time.

No, it still does that

Netflix will take over the world with the skip intro button. It's now a better product than having an entire show on the harddrive.

What's worth watching on Netflix these days?

for you ... uh ... s03e06 of black mirror if you haven't seen it. maaaybe the series of unfortunate events or jessica jones.

Hmm.. not a fan of Black Mirror overall, though that's going on the first season or two mostly, and I haven't seen more than the VR spaceship episode of the most recent set. They clearly like playing with "edgy" ideas, but not enough to think very far through the implications for those overall in society, so I feel like it ends up as a series of seemingly controversial but fundamentally empty statements. Also I think I like things better if they come in lots of installments like GoT. You were the one who convinced me I should give that a try, so now I'm looking for a recommendation that's at least as good :-P
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on June 05, 2018, 05:08:48 pm
Also I think I like things better if they come in lots of installments like GoT. You were the one who convinced me I should give that a try, so now I'm looking for a recommendation that's at least as good :-P

Well, let me know if you find something, because I've certainly never seen any show as good as first 5 seasons of GoT. The four or so shows that I think come somewhat close are all things that I don't think you'd like, including Black Mirror. But Black mirror episodes are standalone, so you can just view s03e06 as a 70 minute long movie without bothering with the rest.

I don't think Black Mirror is generally trying to have a message. I think it's mostly depicting possible futures and then sets a plausible story in them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on June 19, 2018, 05:38:42 pm
There's this song that gets played a lot on local radio at the moment. 2002 by uhh Anne something or other. It's an okay song, terrible music video (I regret checking).

The song is weird. It's about the year 2002, when the singer was 11. I don't even know if the writer of the song realised, but despite being released this year, the song is actually set in 2009. Basically: The first verse is about 2002, when the singer was 11, and is in past tense. Then the second verse is when she's 18, and is in present tense. So... yeah. It's set in 2009, despite being released this year.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on June 20, 2018, 08:42:42 am
Maybe it took 9 years to finish the song?

Stretching here.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on June 20, 2018, 01:40:04 pm
I was 21 years when I wrote this song
I'm 22 now but I won't be for long

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on June 20, 2018, 02:00:07 pm
I had fun with a learning module we're developing. It is superhero-themed. Spent an hour laughing maniacally and uttering villain lines if the learner chooses the side of evil.

I kind of worry that the training might be off a bit as people may choose the wrong answer just to hear what the villains are saying. Certainly more fun that the hero speeches.

And hey, I got to say rue. I rue the fact that we don't say rue enough times.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on June 20, 2018, 08:43:52 pm
It's also worth noting that the narrator in a song/poem need not be the same as the author.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Jimmmmm on June 21, 2018, 05:35:29 am
I rue the fact that we don't say rue enough times.

I feel like that's not how 'rue' is meant to be used...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on June 21, 2018, 08:55:59 am
I rue the fact that we don't say rue enough times.

I feel like that's not how 'rue' is meant to be used...

Yeah, well, and sauerkraut was not meant to be used as underwear insulation, yet here we are.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on June 21, 2018, 11:49:15 am
I rue the fact that we don't say rue enough times.

I feel like that's not how 'rue' is meant to be used...

Yeah, it's like he's on completely the wrong street.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on June 21, 2018, 11:16:57 pm
I was trying to reproduce code someone else wrote, and it called some object.log() function at one point, behind an if statement for if "log" is enabled.  You know, some debug logging.  I was just trying to reproduce a basic result that the original code could do, but I had a problem for ages and couldn't figure it out.  I finally realized that the log() function was actually computing a logarithm, and not debug logging...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on July 13, 2018, 04:12:12 pm
So, I had a random idea for a board game a few days ago, while trying to think of a good semi-mathsy game for the end of school term (still trying to think of something if anyone has ideas, only one week left now!). I think it might actually be... interesting, sorta. The following is a brief description, and likely vague because it's just an idea, but I'd like to know if people think it sounds reasonable. I'll add uncertainties in brackets.

The game takes place on a square grid (possibly with obstacles/holes/walls on it for interest). Players are trying to place as many tiles on the grid of their own... colour/symbol (since tiles are shared, not sure how this would be tracked easily). There is a random selection of available tiles which are replenished every time one is played, of varying shape and size. Some tiles have a special mark on them, allowing you to place them over other players/your own tiles, otherwise each tile must fit into its own space (maybe own space or over your own tiles only).

Not sure how this bit would work yet, but play would not be circular but rather using a quick bidding system. Players start with some number of counters (maybe 15) and can hold some number in their hand secretly each round to bid on getting a turn. Highest bid takes a turn, ties broken as closest player clockwise to last player who made a move. Somehow counters should be refreshed during the game - could be that counters are shared among other players (e.g. give your winning bid out one to each player clockwise until you run out) or similar. I'd probably need some extra mechanic to keep the game moving quickly, since having a bid every single round would be slow. Maybe the bids determine entire order of the round? I dunno yet.

Winner is the player at the end of the game who has the most territory covered. Or maybe some kind of points system - covering space earns points, achieving certain goals earns points, having counters left earns points etc.

Anyway, feel free to poke holes in the idea, suggest games that already have similar mechanics (I know it already has some similarity to Patchwork, a 2 player game by some prolific designer I've forgotten in the moment), or otherwise suggest things to make it not too stale. It'll probably go nowhere but ehh, maybe it's a nice idea.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on July 13, 2018, 09:30:52 pm
I think you want some mechanic that gives long-term repercussions to tile placement, right now it sounds like where you place a tile is not important, as long as you actually placed it.

Can you place a tile partially covering other tiles? It’s not going to lat flat on the board if some of the spaces it’s covering already have a tile on them, while others don’t.

I am terrible at bidding games, so nothing to add there.

Blokus is an interesting tile placement game, if you haven’t heard of it.

EDIT: if I was making the game, I would do away with the bidding, and do something like:

6x6 board
A common pool of grey tiles, each being 2- or 3-spaces large. Three are available at any time, they get replenished as they are used.
Each player has a private pool of 4-space large tiles in their colour (think Tetris)

Each turn, a player places a grey tile, then they may place one of their own coloured tiles. Tiles can only be placed if all the spaces they cover are the same “height”. Grey tiles can only cover other grey tiles, or tiles from the active player. Player tiles can cover any colour, but they may not perfectly overlap another player’s tile.

Game ends when a player cannot place a grey tile during their turn or grey tile pool is exhausted. Players get one point per space covered by a tile in their colour.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on July 14, 2018, 05:30:21 am
Blokus is an interesting tile placement game, if you haven’t heard of it.

But I have heard of it, so is it interesting in this situation?

Anyway terrible logic jokes aside, you might be right about where you place a tile isn't too important - that's why I was considering there being points for objectives, e.g. building a 3x3 square is worth some amount of points, or making a continuous path from one side of the board to another, or other similar things.

Regarding the overlapping problem, what might be possible to do is something like... rather than placing the shapes onto the grid, you place 1x1 tiles based on e.g. the pattern on a card? That way if you can overlap someone, you just remove their tile and place your own, which is much easier to manage.

I do actually quite like the idea of there being a common gray and personal coloured pool. That could work.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 07, 2018, 12:09:30 pm
My university (University of Eastern Finland) was/is under a pretty large scale phishing attack, which I found somewhat amusing and it also demonstrates a pretty important lesson about modern cyber security, so I thought I'd share the story.

The attackers sent out a bunch of phishing e-mails until someone opened the link (which was presumably a fake site that looked like the UEF login page) and gave them his/her login credentials. After that, the attackers were able to use that e-mail address to send out even more phishing e-mails whose sender appeared as "UEF Help Desk" with an uef.fi e-mail address, which made the e-mails a lot more convincing. All of this happened after the working hours, so it took the university a while to react to the attack, which they did by sending out an announcement by e-mail where they basically described what had happened and urged people to change their passwords. After the announcement, the attackers sent out a bunch of their own e-mails about how there had been phishing e-mails, with a link that you could click to change your password, presumably leading to the exact same fake site, as well as e-mails about suspicious activity from Brazil being detected on your account, also with a similar link.

This all started roughly 2 weeks ago from what I can tell, and according to a (real) announcement by the university today, it is likely that the attack is still ongoing. They haven't published an estimate about how many accounts have been compromised, but I, being a random student, have seen people get these fake e-mails from at least 10-20 different compromised UEF accounts so that's a very conservative lower bound. It's pretty easy for native Finnish speakers to get suspicious about these e-mails that contain very poor Finnish, but UEF has a lot of international transfer students who are very vulnerable to this kind of an attack, and in fact all of the different compromised accounts that I was able to confirm did belong to people with foreign-sounding names.

(https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20120220.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 07, 2018, 03:59:22 pm
http://iplayif.com/?story=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifarchive.org%2Fif-archive%2Fgames%2Fzcode%2FAOTYRZ.z5

from the same guy who made the awesome trans-dimensional brainchip webcoming

I seem to be bad at this. I think most of the time there was something creative you ought to do and I didn't find it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on August 07, 2018, 04:43:32 pm
Ugh, I'm the worst at these. How do you escape yetis without shooting at them?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 07, 2018, 04:54:14 pm
http://iplayif.com/?story=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifarchive.org%2Fif-archive%2Fgames%2Fzcode%2FAOTYRZ.z5

from the same guy who made the awesome trans-dimensional brainchip webcoming

I seem to be bad at this. I think most of the time there was something creative you ought to do and I didn't find it.

I had to undo twice (once because I accidentally did something I didn't mean to do in the first place unlocked a door that I had just locked, not realizing it was the same door, and once because of a game over). I'm usually bad at these types of games, but I feel like this one worked the way I expected almost every time.

Ugh, I'm the worst at these. How do you escape yetis without shooting at them?

You don't. I think there are two opportunities to deal with a yeti before it catches you, and you have to take at least one of them in order to not run out of bullets.

EDIT: that's actually wrong, there must be more opportunities to deal with yetis without having them catch you according to the "amusing things to do" option after the game but I haven't figured out more than two so far

EDIT 2: I figured out another one!

EDIT 3: Figured out another one!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 07, 2018, 05:16:22 pm
I actually managed to beat it first try with one shot left. It's not too difficult, but the challenge to try to do it on your first try is what ups the stakes, because you aren't sure whether you still have time to figure out the solution, or if the yeti is about to kill you.

You do need to shoot at least two times    to beat the game. I managed to "perfect" it on my second try, was fun :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 07, 2018, 05:27:29 pm
I actually managed to beat it first try with one shot left. It's not too difficult, but the challenge to try to do it on your first try is what ups the stakes, because you aren't sure whether you still have time to figure out the solution, or if the yeti is about to kill you.

You do need to shoot at least two times    to beat the game. I managed to "perfect" it on my second try, was fun :)

Yeah it's very easy to beat if you use undo. I also just figured out the remaining way to save a bullet.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 08, 2018, 03:17:17 am
guah I made it on the third try with zero shots left  :'(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 08, 2018, 10:09:00 am
guah I made it on the third try with zero shots left  :'(

Do you want tips?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 08, 2018, 11:09:35 am
I'd like to know what you can do about the thin and fat yeti. the fact that they're thin and fat has to mean something, but I couldn't think of a way to use it. On the third try I went into another room and waited a while, then one of them was gone and I had to use only one shot instead of two, but I'm assuming there's a better way.

Also about the boss, what non-shooting thing can you do besides using the coffee?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 08, 2018, 12:36:15 pm
I'd like to know what you can do about the thin and fat yeti. the fact that they're thin and fat has to mean something, but I couldn't think of a way to use it. On the third try I went into another room and waited a while, then one of them was gone and I had to use only one shot instead of two, but I'm assuming there's a better way.

Also about the boss, what non-shooting thing can you do besides using the coffee?


1) There isn't, that's one of the two scenes where you actually have to use a shot.
2) You can push the bookshelf on him and push the chair out of the window.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 08, 2018, 12:38:11 pm
A bit less spoilerific than Awaclus, who gave away the answer:

If you have finished the game, you know that you need to shoot at least twice to beat it. As far as I could tell, the only reason those two yetis are different is so that you can specify which one you are shooting if both follow you to the chopper, but I may be wrong.

As far as the boss, you can beat him without shooting even once. Check the description of his room a bit more closely. There is unfortunately some guess-the-verb involved but nothing too bad.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 08, 2018, 12:57:21 pm
I actually did try to push over the bookshelf, and it didn't work. I must have used the wrong verb. I didn't try using the chair, though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: schadd on August 10, 2018, 10:32:03 pm
kuildeous r u married? @kuildeous
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 13, 2018, 09:43:08 am
kuildeous r u married? @kuildeous

Yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 13, 2018, 09:43:14 am
Argh! My one weakness: A stupid Facebook message with people answering a simple math problem by applying addition before multiplication. Why can't I quit you?

This time, it's a screen shot of a poll asking people to answer 2+2*4.Not only did a distressing majority answer that the correct answer is 16, but the correct answer isn't even listed in the poll. I'm suspecting a troll poll. Then there's a caption that wonders if it's scarier that so many people answered 13 as the correct answer. I can actually see that. It's the closest to the real answer, so these are likely all people trying to point to the correct answer. At least I really hope so.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on August 13, 2018, 10:04:55 am
This time, it's a screen shot of a poll asking people to answer 2+2*4.Not only did a distressing majority answer that the correct answer is 16, but the correct answer isn't even listed in the poll. I'm suspecting a troll poll. Then there's a caption that wonders if it's scarier that so many people answered 13 as the correct answer. I can actually see that. It's the closest to the real answer, so these are likely all people trying to point to the correct answer. At least I really hope so.
I'm going to assume that those were all physicists.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on August 13, 2018, 09:47:51 pm
Obviously, those people knew that

x*y = y/x^2 + xy + x.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 14, 2018, 08:54:54 am
Obviously, those people knew that

x*y = y/x^2 + xy + x.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some cleverness happening, but I fear it may be too inside of a joke for it to register with me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on August 14, 2018, 12:25:09 pm
Obviously, those people knew that

x*y = y/x^2 + xy + x.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some cleverness happening, but I fear it may be too inside of a joke for it to register with me.

x=2, y=4, Witherweaver is suggesting * from 2+2*4 is a relation, mapping (x,y) to y/x^2 + xy + x. So 2*4 = 4/2^2 + 2*4 + 2 = 11, and hence 2+2*4 = 13

Less of an inside joke and more just a subtle mathematical one. Well played Witherweaver.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 14, 2018, 01:12:29 pm
Obviously, those people knew that

x*y = y/x^2 + xy + x.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some cleverness happening, but I fear it may be too inside of a joke for it to register with me.

x=2, y=4, Witherweaver is suggesting * from 2+2*4 is a relation, mapping (x,y) to y/x^2 + xy + x. So 2*4 = 4/2^2 + 2*4 + 2 = 11, and hence 2+2*4 = 13

Less of an inside joke and more just a subtle mathematical one. Well played Witherweaver.

Ah, I didn't realize he was justifying the answer as 13. Very nice indeed now that I am aware of that.

Recent Facebook hell now has me scrolling through answers for the question of how much money did a store owner lose if you stole a $100 bill from the register and then used that bill to buy $70 worth of merchandise. I'm more forgiving of this one because for some people, it can be tricky to follow along. At least it's not flat-out ignoring order of operations.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 14, 2018, 02:17:27 pm
Recent Facebook hell now has me scrolling through answers for the question of how much money did a store owner lose if you stole a $100 bill from the register and then used that bill to buy $70 worth of merchandise. I'm more forgiving of this one because for some people, it can be tricky to follow along. At least it's not flat-out ignoring order of operations.

Well, you can't give an accurate answer to that question if that's the only information you are given. Does the money in the register belong to the store owner and is the store owner directly gaining all profits from sales? If not, how much does stealing the $100 correlate with the store owner getting paid less, and likewise for the profits? Were you going to buy that merch anyway or did you only buy it because you had an extra $100 after stealing it? If you weren't going to buy it anyway, was someone else going to buy it anyway or was it just going to sit there? If someone else was going to buy it anyway, but at a later date, what is the inflation rate? If you bought $70 "worth" of merch, presumably that means you're paying $70 for it but the store probably paid less than $70, so how much did the store have to pay for the merch? Depending on the answers to these questions, the store owner could lose anywhere between nothing and $100.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 14, 2018, 02:50:21 pm
Drop the owner part. How much did the store lose?

The markup is an important distinction, though lost revenue is a thing, but just like many textbook questions, this doesn't figure into the calculation.

My favorite is the woman who talked herself into stating that the store lost $270. Her being wrong was nothing special, but the magnitude in which she was wrong is pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on August 14, 2018, 03:12:40 pm
Paul Erdos refused to believe the solution to the Monty Hall problem.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: alinatolm on August 14, 2018, 04:08:19 pm
Posting to avoid captcha
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 14, 2018, 04:54:59 pm
Paul Erdos refused to believe the solution to the Monty Hall problem.

A lot of academics refused to believe it as well:
http://marilynvossavant.com/game-show-problem/

I didn't accept it at first either, but I at least wasn't a petulant little dick about it.

I ate crow when someone suggested expanding the puzzle to 1000 doors. Made me re-examine the math while acknowledging my blinders.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 14, 2018, 05:16:45 pm
Posting to avoid captcha

Perhaps the most random of all first posts. Welcome!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 14, 2018, 05:25:13 pm
Drop the owner part. How much did the store lose?

The markup is an important distinction, though lost revenue is a thing, but just like many textbook questions, this doesn't figure into the calculation.

My favorite is the woman who talked herself into stating that the store lost $270. Her being wrong was nothing special, but the magnitude in which she was wrong is pretty amazing.

Even ignoring the salary vs profit bits; it IS necessary to know if money gained by selling stuff counts as actual money gained; or whether it only counts as transferring assets from goods to cash.

In other words, if the theft hadn't happened, and someone walked in and bought $70 worth of stuff, would we say that the store made $70? There's 3 equally valid answers to that question:

1. The store made $70, because it has $70 more cash now than before.
2. The store didn't make anything, because although it has $70 more cash, it no longer has the items that could be sold for $70.
3. The store made whatever profit was made depending on the cost basis of the goods that were sold. So more than $0 but less than $70.

Which of the 3 answers you give to that question will determine the answer to "how much did the store lose in the theft?"
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 14, 2018, 05:47:23 pm
Posting to avoid captcha

Perhaps the most random of all first posts. Welcome!

Well, it would be a pretty random first post, but it's a pretty common third post when the others are in Forum Games.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on August 14, 2018, 05:49:59 pm
Paul Erdos refused to believe the solution to the Monty Hall problem.

A lot of academics refused to believe it as well:
http://marilynvossavant.com/game-show-problem/

I didn't accept it at first either, but I at least wasn't a petulant little dick about it.

I ate crow when someone suggested expanding the puzzle to 1000 doors. Made me re-examine the math while acknowledging my blinders.

I still think it makes much more sense to ask what the probability is when you first pick, and realize that that probability doesn't change when the host opens another door.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 14, 2018, 06:00:46 pm
Paul Erdos refused to believe the solution to the Monty Hall problem.

A lot of academics refused to believe it as well:
http://marilynvossavant.com/game-show-problem/

I didn't accept it at first either, but I at least wasn't a petulant little dick about it.

I ate crow when someone suggested expanding the puzzle to 1000 doors. Made me re-examine the math while acknowledging my blinders.

I still think it makes much more sense to ask what the probability is when you first pick, and realize that that probability doesn't change when the host opens another door.

But the exact problem is that so many people's intuition tells them that the probability does change as a result of getting new information. The trick is to make them realize that they didn't actually get new (meaningful) information.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on August 14, 2018, 06:36:34 pm
But you can just iterate through the cases. However counterintuitive it is, there's your answer. Why wasn't that enough for Erdos? It's a sad comment on how people work.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ConMan on August 14, 2018, 07:29:43 pm
The one that I prefer is to rephrase the problem - you pick a door, then Monty asks you whether you want what's behind your door, or what's behind both other doors. Assuming the goat has zero value to you, then it winds up being the same result, which means you definitely get twice the chance of winning if you swap.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 14, 2018, 07:54:42 pm
The funny thing is that, if the door that is revealed to have a goat was chosen randomly, then it doesn’t make any difference whether you swap doors or not, you have a 50% chance either way. It’s only because the host guarantees that he will open a door with a goat behind it that the odds are skewed in favour of swapping doors.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2018, 09:08:22 pm
I once had an internship at this tech company, and the IT guy was trying to convince me that since it could either rain or not rain (two outcomes), the chance of rain was always 50% and weather reports were nonsense.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 15, 2018, 03:08:11 am
The funny thing is that, if the door that is revealed to have a goat was chosen randomly, then it doesn’t make any difference whether you swap doors or not, you have a 50% chance either way. It’s only because the host guarantees that he will open a door with a goat behind it that the odds are skewed in favour of swapping doors.

*upvote*

That's exactly right. And if it is unspecified how the door was chosen, the problem actually doesn't have a right answer. Wikipedia acknowledges this (at least by now).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: infangthief on August 15, 2018, 07:50:16 am
I once had an internship at this tech company, and the IT guy was trying to convince me that since it could either rain or not rain (two outcomes), the chance of rain was always 50% and weather reports were nonsense.
You can extend that kind of reasoning to prove that there is life outside our galaxy.
Chance of Cows outside our galaxy? Don't really know, two options, call it 50%.
Chance of Pigs? 50%
Chance of Trees? 50%
...
Chance of lifeform n? 50%

Chance of none of them? Well that would be (0.5)^n, which tends to 0 as n increases.
Therefore it's pretty much certain there's at least one lifeform existing outside our galaxy... what do you mean 'they're not independent'?!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 15, 2018, 09:14:54 am
The funny thing is that, if the door that is revealed to have a goat was chosen randomly, then it doesn’t make any difference whether you swap doors or not, you have a 50% chance either way. It’s only because the host guarantees that he will open a door with a goat behind it that the odds are skewed in favour of swapping doors.

*upvote*

That's exactly right. And if it is unspecified how the door was chosen, the problem actually doesn't have a right answer. Wikipedia acknowledges this (at least by now).

There are reasonable assumptions you can make though. The puzzle presumes that this always happens in all scenarios. Since 2/3 of the scenarios would involve having the car behind one of the two doors, the revealed goat cannot be randomly chosen.

But if the scenario is such that the car can be revealed by the host, then that does imply that the door is chosen randomly.

It boils down to whether there are reasonable assumptions for the puzzle. Since this is based on a real event, has there ever been a case where the host reveals the car?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 15, 2018, 09:19:08 am
I still think it makes much more sense to ask what the probability is when you first pick, and realize that that probability doesn't change when the host opens another door.


I agree that it makes sense, but it isn't intuitive for many people. Even I refused to believe it. The math was right in front of me, but I was so certain I was right that I was ignoring what made sense and looked for evidence supporting my belief (so pretty much human politics). It took the hyperbole of several doors to make me question those beliefs and re-examine the probability. I was a lot more accepting of it at that point.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: infangthief on August 15, 2018, 09:57:22 am
The funny thing is that, if the door that is revealed to have a goat was chosen randomly, then it doesn’t make any difference whether you swap doors or not, you have a 50% chance either way. It’s only because the host guarantees that he will open a door with a goat behind it that the odds are skewed in favour of swapping doors.

*upvote*

That's exactly right. And if it is unspecified how the door was chosen, the problem actually doesn't have a right answer. Wikipedia acknowledges this (at least by now).

There are reasonable assumptions you can make though. The puzzle presumes that this always happens in all scenarios. Since 2/3 of the scenarios would involve having the car behind one of the two doors, the revealed goat cannot be randomly chosen.

But if the scenario is such that the car can be revealed by the host, then that does imply that the door is chosen randomly.

It boils down to whether there are reasonable assumptions for the puzzle. Since this is based on a real event, has there ever been a case where the host reveals the car?

It's the difference between the host saying:
(i) "I'm going to open this door here... oh look, there's a goat, that's interesting."
(ii) "I'm going to open this door here which has a goat behind it."

True, the host does always reveal a goat, so they are in fact doing (ii), but it might not be clear to a first-time viewer whether the host is doing (i) or (ii).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on August 15, 2018, 10:10:44 am
I once had an internship at this tech company, and the IT guy was trying to convince me that since it could either rain or not rain (two outcomes), the chance of rain was always 50% and weather reports were nonsense.
You can extend that kind of reasoning to prove that there is life outside our galaxy.
Chance of Cows outside our galaxy? Don't really know, two options, call it 50%.
Chance of Pigs? 50%
Chance of Trees? 50%
...
Chance of lifeform n? 50%

Chance of none of them? Well that would be (0.5)^n, which tends to 0 as n increases.
Therefore it's pretty much certain there's at least one lifeform existing outside our galaxy... what do you mean 'they're not independent'?!

No, you see, because our two options are whether there is life or not, it's just 50%!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 15, 2018, 10:12:39 am
Is it wrong of me to want to change every reference of Chester A Arthur to Chester an Arthur?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on August 15, 2018, 07:03:56 pm
Does anybody have suggestions on things like Skype that are entirely browser based?  When I google I just get things like chat roulettes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 15, 2018, 07:53:25 pm
Does anybody have suggestions on things like Skype that are entirely browser based?  When I google I just get things like chat roulettes.

You can use IRC with a web client.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on August 15, 2018, 08:58:09 pm
Does anybody have suggestions on things like Skype that are entirely browser based?  When I google I just get things like chat roulettes.

You can use IRC with a web client.

IRC has video chat?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 15, 2018, 10:33:26 pm
Does anybody have suggestions on things like Skype that are entirely browser based?  When I google I just get things like chat roulettes.

Well there's web.skype.com, or Google Hangouts.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on August 16, 2018, 08:05:13 am
You can use discord entirely in browser. (That's what I do)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 16, 2018, 10:26:42 am
The funny thing is that, if the door that is revealed to have a goat was chosen randomly, then it doesn’t make any difference whether you swap doors or not, you have a 50% chance either way. It’s only because the host guarantees that he will open a door with a goat behind it that the odds are skewed in favour of swapping doors.

Right, this is the premise behind Deal or No Deal. Because each chest is opened randomly, you actually do gain new information with each opened chest, and the expected worth of your chest changes each time.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 16, 2018, 11:36:00 am
Right, this is the premise behind Deal or No Deal. Because each chest is opened randomly, you actually do gain new information with each opened chest, and the expected worth of your chest changes each time.

And the mathiness of Deal or No Deal is pretty neat too. Not as controversial as Let's Make a Deal obviously.

Fun fact: I happened across the show while flipping channels and got sucked in by mistake. The contestant was deciding which box to open, and her family was behind her encouraging her to take her time in making such an important decision. So much math rage that day.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 16, 2018, 11:42:45 am
Right, this is the premise behind Deal or No Deal. Because each chest is opened randomly, you actually do gain new information with each opened chest, and the expected worth of your chest changes each time.

And the mathiness of Deal or No Deal is pretty neat too. Not as controversial as Let's Make a Deal obviously.

Fun fact: I happened across the show while flipping channels and got sucked in by mistake. The contestant was deciding which box to open, and her family was behind her encouraging her to take her time in making such an important decision. So much math rage that day.

I think those types of things are more people being bad with superstition than people being bad with math. They feel like a certain number is a lucky winner (or loser); not that a certain number actually has a mathematically better chance.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Uncleeurope on August 16, 2018, 02:25:24 pm
Hi, I am using this thread to unlock my full potential as a forum user.

To distract you from my true purpose I will distract you with a depressing thought:

The average person spends 6 months of their lifetime waiting on a red light to turn green.

Now I will back myself out of this conversation...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 16, 2018, 03:01:28 pm
Hi, I am using this thread to unlock my full potential as a forum user.

To distract you from my true purpose I will distract you with a depressing thought:

The average person spends 6 months of their lifetime waiting on a red light to turn green.

Now I will back myself out of this conversation...

I've already spent 9½ months of my lifetime shitposting on f.ds, it's not that depressing in comparison.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: fisherman on August 16, 2018, 03:16:35 pm

The average person spends 6 months of their lifetime waiting on a red light to turn green.



Once we waited for a stop sign to turn green...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 16, 2018, 03:22:52 pm
That's almost certainly untrue when taken literally. The median person doesn't own a car. It might be true when we restrict it to just a few regions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 16, 2018, 03:28:35 pm
That's almost certainly untrue when taken literally. The median person doesn't own a car. It might be true when we restrict it to just a few regions.

Pedestrians also wait for red lights to turn green.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 16, 2018, 03:30:08 pm
Last night I sat for about 9 minutes at a red light. Not just what felt like 9 minutes, I actually started timing it after a couple minutes. The sensor or whatever was broken; eventually a car pulled up behind me, and the light changed almost right after they arrived.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jsh357 on August 17, 2018, 10:42:49 am
The sensors are located about a car length back at certain intersections. Sometimes it's optimal to back up if you are the only one waiting to turn.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 17, 2018, 10:57:36 am
The sensors are located about a car length back at certain intersections. Sometimes it's optimal to back up if you are the only one waiting to turn.

Yeah, I was getting ready to try that when I saw the other car approaching.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on August 19, 2018, 10:42:01 pm
Last night I sat for about 9 minutes at a red light. Not just what felt like 9 minutes, I actually started timing it after a couple minutes. The sensor or whatever was broken; eventually a car pulled up behind me, and the light changed almost right after they arrived.

Maybe you're a cop in Fargo.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2018, 06:49:40 pm
Anyone else in here a Pokemon Go player? In particular, any of the Mafia bunch I actually kind of know? :-)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 22, 2018, 08:54:43 am
Anyone else in here a Pokemon Go player? In particular, any of the Mafia bunch I actually kind of know? :-)

I don't play Mafia, so I'm not part of your crew, but I'm doing Pokemon Go. Not as serious as others, but the research gets me more involved than before.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2018, 01:38:02 pm
Random news: Maduro is removing 99,999% of all money out of the country! (i.e. he's removing 5 zeros from every bill).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pingpongsam on August 22, 2018, 03:35:06 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Fun fact: newborn babies can breathe through their noses while suckling using their mouths. We lose this ability at some point later.

So, I'm the only adult who can drink water continuously and breathe through my nose at the same time?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2018, 03:54:00 pm
You can breathe while swallowing?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 22, 2018, 03:59:16 pm
Does anyone think it's odd that our mouths are used for so many functions? If you were going to design a person would you have separate facilities for eating, breathing, speaking, etc. Also I feel like we could end up just dropping verbal speech.
Fun fact: newborn babies can breathe through their noses while suckling using their mouths. We lose this ability at some point later.

So, I'm the only adult who can drink water continuously and breathe through my nose at the same time?

Well, this sample size of 1 cannot maintain that over here.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 23, 2018, 06:20:14 am
So Elon musk supposedly has done an hour long interview with the NYT about stuff.

I tried to find the actual interview. What I found was countless articles talking about it and how people reacted to it and what have you. I also found lots of articles claiming that the NYT published the actual interview. The sentence then links to another whatever article of the NYT where some snippets of the interview are quoted, but not to the actual interview.

Either I am for some reason incapable of finding the supposedly available interview or it hasn't in fact been published. If so then every article claiming it has been published is total bullshit. Are they all just making stuff up? This is so stupid. I'm so frustrated right now.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pingpongsam on August 23, 2018, 10:54:08 am
You can breathe while swallowing?

Yeah, I just tried it to be certain. It requires some concentration and I'm pretty sure I can only do it from a bottle like container where there is a very small opening and the flow is relatively small and easily controlled. I essentially just pour the liquid down my throat and breathe through my nose. I think with some practice I could possibly even breathe through my mouth while doing it. The basic idea is to pour the water down the esophagus while breathing through the trachea. Complications occur when liquid enters the trachea or the swallowing action of the esophagus closes off the trachea. Both complications can be mitigated with some concentration.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 23, 2018, 11:02:34 am
I assume you are alternating breathing and swallowing? Not actually doing both at the same time? Like, water might be continually flowing into your mouth, but it’s only being swallowed intermittently.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Dsell on August 23, 2018, 11:44:19 am
GendoIkari has 6969 posts on the forum.

Nice.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on August 24, 2018, 03:59:09 am
After a discussion with my girlfriend, we did some calculations and concluded that the circumference of the Earth is approximately 300 megapenises. Just thought you should all know.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on August 24, 2018, 04:33:19 am
After a discussion with my girlfriend, we did some calculations and concluded that the circumference of the Earth is approximately 300 megapenises. Just thought you should all know.

Or 300 000 000 000 000 micropenises.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 24, 2018, 08:51:36 am
After a discussion with my girlfriend, we did some calculations and concluded that the circumference of the Earth is approximately 300 megapenises. Just thought you should all know.

Damn metric system. Everyone knows that it just makes more sense to explain 300 megapenises as 849 omniscrotes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Dsell on August 24, 2018, 09:20:20 am
Goomba is a micropenis.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/9/9c/Goomba_-_MarioPartyStarRush.png/518px-Goomba_-_MarioPartyStarRush.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on August 24, 2018, 09:34:05 am
I was going to talk about Super Smash Bros Ultimate and how I'm hyped for the game since the inclusion of King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong Country series. Now the topic of Nintendo suddenly seems gross. Dsell, I would appreciate if you took your porn elsewhere.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Dsell on August 24, 2018, 09:37:17 am
Now the topic of Nintendo suddenly seems gross.

What's your problem with micropenises?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on August 24, 2018, 10:21:01 am
I was going to talk about Super Smash Bros Ultimate and how I'm hyped for the game since the inclusion of King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong Country series. Now the topic of Nintendo suddenly seems gross. Dsell, I would appreciate if you took your porn elsewhere.

I am excited for Ridley!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on August 24, 2018, 10:47:56 am
Now the topic of Nintendo suddenly seems gross.

What's your problem with micropenises?

Why is everybody asking me that these days?

I was going to talk about Super Smash Bros Ultimate and how I'm hyped for the game since the inclusion of King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong Country series. Now the topic of Nintendo suddenly seems gross. Dsell, I would appreciate if you took your porn elsewhere.

I am excited for Ridley!

Yes, me too! Ridley's inclusion was the point where I realized that they really mean it with that "Everyone is here" catchphrase.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 24, 2018, 12:05:49 pm
GendoIkari has 6969 posts on the forum.

Nice.

Just saw this. And apparently posted many more times before I did.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on August 24, 2018, 12:22:59 pm
I'm in so many meetings this morning that I accidentally sat in on one that turns out I was not invited to. I realized their conversation was not relevant to me and slinked out to return for the next meeting.

This is why I won't pursue management. Managers get stuck in meetings and shit.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Dsell on August 24, 2018, 01:49:08 pm
Tonight I'm going to eat at the restaurant that Bon Appetit just named America's Best New restaurant of 2018 (http://projects.bonappetit.com/hot10/p/1).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on August 30, 2018, 02:55:19 pm
Theory has just passed me for second most threads created.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2018, 07:15:10 pm
I just realized how fucked up it is that if, in the Harry Potter universe, you get thrown out of school, you aren't allowed to use magic again for the rest of your life. In reality, this would just make these people leave the country.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on August 31, 2018, 07:13:18 am
I found today's xkcd appropriate for this forum:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/begging_the_question.png) (https://xkcd.com/2039/)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Puk on September 07, 2018, 06:18:42 pm
This time next week I'm in Scotland
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on September 19, 2018, 09:28:24 am
Had a talk with someone about how in a couple of decades, people will be able to fairly accurately guess someone's age by which Star Wars films they saw first.

This got us talking about other benchmarks to measure someone's age.

First Batman
First James Bond
First Doctor
First Tim Currey character

Though my measure of Doctor is a bit off because I didn't start watching until Matt Smith. If I had watched Doctor Who as a youth, I'm sure Tom Baker would be my first. Doctor Who isn't quite as mainstream as the other benchmarks.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on September 19, 2018, 10:20:53 am
This got us talking about other benchmarks to measure someone's age.

First Batman
First James Bond
First Doctor
First Tim Currey character

The Dark Knight
None
What's that?
Who's Tim Currey?

So how old am I?  :D
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: theorel on September 19, 2018, 11:55:38 am
Had a talk with someone about how in a couple of decades, people will be able to fairly accurately guess someone's age by which Star Wars films they saw first.

This got us talking about other benchmarks to measure someone's age.

First Batman
First James Bond
First Doctor
First Tim Currey character

Though my measure of Doctor is a bit off because I didn't start watching until Matt Smith. If I had watched Doctor Who as a youth, I'm sure Tom Baker would be my first. Doctor Who isn't quite as mainstream as the other benchmarks.
Hey, I can actually answer those...that's not normal for these kind of measures for me.  I'll be a test subject for the accuracy of this age-measure:
Keaton (the Batman)
Brosnan (Goldeneye)
Eccleston
Butler in Clue
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on September 19, 2018, 12:43:43 pm
It's:

Christopher Nolan
N/A (Never seen any Bond)
Christopher Eccleston
Hunt for Red October
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on September 19, 2018, 01:06:22 pm
Had a talk with someone about how in a couple of decades, people will be able to fairly accurately guess someone's age by which Star Wars films they saw first.

This got us talking about other benchmarks to measure someone's age.

First Batman
First James Bond
First Doctor
First Tim Currey character

Though my measure of Doctor is a bit off because I didn't start watching until Matt Smith. If I had watched Doctor Who as a youth, I'm sure Tom Baker would be my first. Doctor Who isn't quite as mainstream as the other benchmarks.

Batman Begins
Casino Royale
Haven't seen Doctor Who
Cardinal Richelieu
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on September 19, 2018, 01:24:20 pm
Had a talk with someone about how in a couple of decades, people will be able to fairly accurately guess someone's age by which Star Wars films they saw first.

This got us talking about other benchmarks to measure someone's age.

First Batman
First James Bond
First Doctor
First Tim Currey character

Though my measure of Doctor is a bit off because I didn't start watching until Matt Smith. If I had watched Doctor Who as a youth, I'm sure Tom Baker would be my first. Doctor Who isn't quite as mainstream as the other benchmarks.

Your idea of mainstream is probably a bit culturally-dependent! The Doctor one is the only thing I think might date me accurately, since I don't particularly care about Batman, and was familiar with Bond mainly from TV re-runs than any current films as a kid. Like silver, my first thought for Tim Curry was "who's that?", though looking at pics, I admit he's a familiar face.. I'm just not sure where he's familiar from!

How come "which Star Trek were you most into growing up" doesn't make the list?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on September 19, 2018, 02:52:41 pm
How come "which Star Trek were you most into growing up" doesn't make the list?

That's another good option. Plenty of good options out there, especially when you have to rule out certain lists because someone hasn't been involved with that (such as Bond). Could also include first Stephen King movie, first Disney cartoon, and first time being excited about the Super Bowl.

Though now looking at the answers, I feel kind of old because my list is more like:
Star Wars: A New Hope
Batman: Adam West
Bond: Roger Moore
Doctor: Matt Smith
Curry: Annie, technically, though I didn't know him until Rocky Horror
Star Trek: Kirk
Stephen King: The Shining
Disney cartoon: Harder than I thought; probably Sleeping Beauty
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Cuzz on September 19, 2018, 02:56:55 pm
I just gave Donald X his 20,000th respect
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on October 10, 2018, 03:49:48 pm
My job duties have switched to being the resource coordinator. I assign training programs to certain rooms and qualified trainers. It's an interesting jigsaw puzzle, especially when I have multiple programs vying for the same trainers. But I do fairly well at it.

The new manager of the trainers was astounded at how I was able to move swaths of training around to accommodate these requests. I was about to tell her it's what I do in my spare time, but I stopped myself because that seemed weird to say.

Then I realized why I wanted to say it. It literally is what I do in my spare time because I'll play resource-management games a lot. And worker placement, though that is not quite as relevant as the name suggests. All those nights maximizing my points in Terraforming Mars and Power Grid have prepared me for my current job. Thanks, board games!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on October 12, 2018, 06:53:10 pm
This is one of the least plausible apparently true things I've ever seen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmC78xpU4AAEeLN.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on October 13, 2018, 07:51:26 am
There's an explanation here (http://schmid-werren.ch/hanspeter/publications/2014elemath.pdf) but it's not easy to understand
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on October 13, 2018, 09:37:05 am
This is one of the least plausible apparently true things I've ever seen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmC78xpU4AAEeLN.jpg)

"True" is such a strong word when talking about math. It's a man-made system to reflect nature and, while less confusing than e.g. roman numbers, it still has some ugly wrinkles.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: schadd on October 13, 2018, 02:04:11 pm
kuildeous r u married? @kuildeous

Yes.
congrats dude!!!!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Titandrake on October 13, 2018, 10:50:06 pm
This is one of the least plausible apparently true things I've ever seen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmC78xpU4AAEeLN.jpg)

This is one of my favorite "are you kidding me the pattern breaks down" examples. I've never looked into why exactly it breaks down, but basically it happens because 1 + 1/3 + 1/5 + ... + 1/13 < 2 and 1+ 1/3 + 1/5 + ... + 1/15 > 2. If I remember it right, you can use any arbitrary sequence of positive real numbers that aren't increasing, and it'll evaluate to pi/2 if they sum to < 2 and something else if they don't. Not only does this pattern not hold, it lets you create arbitrary length sequences where the pattern holds for k terms and then fails on the k+1 term.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on October 14, 2018, 12:55:54 pm
This is one of my favorite "are you kidding me the pattern breaks down" examples. I've never looked into why exactly it breaks down, but basically it happens because 1 + 1/3 + 1/5 + ... + 1/13 < 2 and 1+ 1/3 + 1/5 + ... + 1/15 > 2.

That was the only thing I took away from the longer explanation I skimmed. But I wouldn't use the term 'because' here. The fact that the integral isn't off in the other direction for sums < 2, but is exactly pi/2 for sums < 2 and off for sums > 2 feels only slightly less insane than the original result, at least for me.

(At one point there was some talk in this thread about patterns that break down late, but those didn't seem as counter-intuitive as this one.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: timchen on October 16, 2018, 02:27:14 pm
The explanation is amazing. But once you think in terms of the Fourier transforms and realize that the denominators can just be anything not this sequence of odd integers and still give pi/2, it feels a lot less striking.

(Basically not a sequence any more... you could have missed a term in the multiplication and get the same pi/2)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2018, 07:18:36 am
Something different I encountered today: check out this sentence. It has both correct grammar and sensible meaning

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families

this was incredibly confusing to me, I'm not sure if others have an easier time with it. Resolution: [The complex] houses [married and single soldiers and their families]

Somewhat less confusing: The horse raced past the barn fell. Resolution: [the horse (that) raced past the barn] fell. Apperently they're called garden path sentences. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: theorel on October 17, 2018, 07:42:27 am
Something different I encountered today: check out this sentence. It has both correct grammar and sensible meaning

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families

this was incredibly confusing to me, I'm not sure if others have an easier time with it. Resolution: [The complex] houses [married and single soldiers and their families]

Somewhat less confusing: The horse raced past the barn fell. Resolution: [the horse (that) raced past the barn] fell. Apperently they're called garden path sentences. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence)
[the house (that was) raced past the barn] fell.  The way you have it has a different meaning than the original sentence.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2018, 07:50:39 am
Something different I encountered today: check out this sentence. It has both correct grammar and sensible meaning

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families

this was incredibly confusing to me, I'm not sure if others have an easier time with it. Resolution: [The complex] houses [married and single soldiers and their families]

Somewhat less confusing: The horse raced past the barn fell. Resolution: [the horse (that) raced past the barn] fell. Apperently they're called garden path sentences. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence)
[the house (that was) raced past the barn] fell.  The way you have it has a different meaning than the original sentence.

The house?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on October 17, 2018, 02:35:30 pm
Something different I encountered today: check out this sentence. It has both correct grammar and sensible meaning

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families

this was incredibly confusing to me, I'm not sure if others have an easier time with it. Resolution: [The complex] houses [married and single soldiers and their families]

Somewhat less confusing: The horse raced past the barn fell. Resolution: [the horse (that) raced past the barn] fell. Apperently they're called garden path sentences. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence)
[the house (that was) raced past the barn] fell.  The way you have it has a different meaning than the original sentence.
Now yours doesn't make much sense. How can a house be raced anywhere?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2018, 03:11:33 pm
Now yours doesn't make much sense. How can a house be raced anywhere?

Maybe it can, if it's complex enough.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on October 17, 2018, 04:37:49 pm
The old man the boat.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on October 17, 2018, 04:44:00 pm
The old man the boat.

Ah, I see you read the the Wikipedia article as well ;)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on October 17, 2018, 05:36:19 pm
the the

...did you do that on purpose.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on October 17, 2018, 06:02:06 pm
the the

...did you do that on purpose.

Spoiler alert for Exit: The Forgotten Island

One of the answers required noticing that the word "the" was repeated in a sentence. It also had the line break between each "the", making it even harder to see. All 3 of us read the card many, many times before suddenly noticing the duplicate.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on October 17, 2018, 06:05:39 pm
the the

...did you do that on purpose.

Let's say yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2018, 06:13:04 pm
Let's say yes.

Yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kirian on October 17, 2018, 07:34:45 pm
Let's say yes.

Yes.

Yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Donald X. on October 17, 2018, 07:55:52 pm
The old man the boat.

Ah, I see you read the the Wikipedia article as well ;)
It's possible I have? I also know about garden path sentences.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2018, 08:07:33 pm
It's not a garden path sentence, but I always liked "Flying planes can be scary". Is that in a Wikipedia article? I forget. I think we talked about it in a linguistics class I took.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: theorel on October 17, 2018, 10:15:02 pm
Something different I encountered today: check out this sentence. It has both correct grammar and sensible meaning

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families

this was incredibly confusing to me, I'm not sure if others have an easier time with it. Resolution: [The complex] houses [married and single soldiers and their families]

Somewhat less confusing: The horse raced past the barn fell. Resolution: [the horse (that) raced past the barn] fell. Apperently they're called garden path sentences. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence)
[the house (that was) raced past the barn] fell.  The way you have it has a different meaning than the original sentence.
Now yours doesn't make much sense. How can a house be raced anywhere?

C'mon you've never seen a house-race?  We used to do them all the time out on the farm, past the barns.  Sometimes the barns fell sometimes the house, but it was always exciting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ConMan on October 17, 2018, 10:43:43 pm
Apropos of nothing, but one of my favourite boat races is the Henley-on-Todd, in Alice Springs. Possibly the only boat race that gets cancelled due to the river they race in having water in it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on October 18, 2018, 02:11:39 am
I dreamt up a card last night. Unfortunately it was horrible:

Dominating
8D (!)
Name a card. If you play it this turn you may gain a copy of it.

I even remember realizing in the dream that I must be dreaming because this card cannot possibly exist, not even as a fan card. Not even the name is anything but plain off. :/

Bonus-info: The setsymbol was a coconut, maybe that at least can be a foretelling of a future expansion...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on October 18, 2018, 02:30:11 am
I dreamt up a card last night. Unfortunately it was horrible:

Dominating
8D (!)
Name a card. If you play it this turn you may gain a copy of it.

I even remember realizing in the dream that I must be dreaming because this card cannot possibly exist, not even as a fan card. Not even the name is anything but plain off. :/

Bonus-info: The setsymbol was a coconut, maybe that at least can be a foretelling of a future expansion...

Does anybody here like making dreams come true?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: infangthief on October 19, 2018, 07:35:32 am
It's not a garden path sentence, but I always liked "Flying planes can be scary". Is that in a Wikipedia article? I forget. I think we talked about it in a linguistics class I took.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on October 19, 2018, 09:12:13 am
It's not a garden path sentence, but I always liked "Flying planes can be scary". Is that in a Wikipedia article? I forget. I think we talked about it in a linguistics class I took.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

I read this and wanted to see if the picture I had in my head was somewhere on the internet. I found something close enough at the top of the Google search:

(https://i3.cpcache.com/product/1676246128/Wall_Clock_300x300.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: LostPhoenix on October 19, 2018, 10:14:49 am
I dreamt up a card last night. Unfortunately it was horrible:

Dominating
8D (!)
Name a card. If you play it this turn you may gain a copy of it.

I even remember realizing in the dream that I must be dreaming because this card cannot possibly exist, not even as a fan card. Not even the name is anything but plain off. :/

Bonus-info: The setsymbol was a coconut, maybe that at least can be a foretelling of a future expansion...

Reminds me of the time I dreamt a Hearthstone Dungeon Run card.

Queen's Bell
7-Mana 3/3 Mage Weapon (I know)
Battlecry: Summon a Quality Doomsayer for each boss you've defeated this run.


Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2018, 01:07:24 pm
Can I join? I once dreamt of a prismata card. I don't remember the specifics, but one effect was to give you a copy of all units you lost at the previous turn. Which is interesting because it's a not-at-first-glance-bad idea that has never occurred to my waking state. I think it was green.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on October 31, 2018, 04:04:55 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNb0sD7bD8
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on November 06, 2018, 02:07:10 pm
You know what really grinds my gear? When experienced people, level over 50, complains about luck in chat. THERE IS NO LUCK IN DOMINION, ONLY VARIANCE. To attribute any single game to anything is completely nuts, to yell at the opponent about it it's ridiculous. Ok that newbs may e annoyed about it but how have you come to lvl 50 and beyond without seeing most outcomes arbitrary amount of times? Why do you play this game even if you cant just suck it up? YMOYOSL god dammit. argh... 

I was quite proud of my performance in that game, it really schucks to hear that it is all luck from someone equal to my level..

/rant
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on November 06, 2018, 03:00:06 pm
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on November 06, 2018, 04:25:38 pm
Part of the fun is weathering the luck.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on November 06, 2018, 05:35:46 pm
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.

I disagree, although maybe only in the semantics. For me, variance means in practice that a better strategy won't win every time. It's expected to lose x amount of times naturally. To compare with poker, it's not lucky to beat AA with 2-7, it's  just hitting the variance. However, wouldyou do that in the final all-in hand in the headsup of a tournament that is something I would deem lucky.

A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all. Even if something absurd happens you are merely just hitting the variance that is built in into the game.

In this case though, even if my game was in a league match I wouldn't consider myself lucky at all. to hit province four times in a row with my deck wasn't unusual at all and it annoyed me quite a lot to be scoulded at because of it.

Anyway, this might be just my pet peeve and that is quite alright. I most likely have this distinction between the terms to not go mad when my decks refuse to collaborate...

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on November 06, 2018, 05:37:14 pm
Part of the fun is weathering the luck.

To strangers?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on November 06, 2018, 10:53:47 pm
A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all.

Why would the stake at risk be relevant? Either way, the outcome of many things in Dominion is determined by random chance, and that's what people are referring to when they talk about luck.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on November 06, 2018, 11:11:56 pm
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.

I disagree, although maybe only in the semantics. For me, variance means in practice that a better strategy won't win every time. It's expected to lose x amount of times naturally. To compare with poker, it's not lucky to beat AA with 2-7, it's  just hitting the variance. However, wouldyou do that in the final all-in hand in the headsup of a tournament that is something I would deem lucky.

A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all. Even if something absurd happens you are merely just hitting the variance that is built in into the game.

In this case though, even if my game was in a league match I wouldn't consider myself lucky at all. to hit province four times in a row with my deck wasn't unusual at all and it annoyed me quite a lot to be scoulded at because of it.

Anyway, this might be just my pet peeve and that is quite alright. I most likely have this distinction between the terms to not go mad when my decks refuse to collaborate...

It's not clear to me from this what you mean when you think of "luck". What you describe as "variance" is what other people are calling "luck". In general, "contains luck" is another way of saying "contains randomness". I suppose you can call it "variance" as well, but that's still the same thing as either "randomness" or "luck".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on November 07, 2018, 06:04:03 am
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.

I disagree, although maybe only in the semantics. For me, variance means in practice that a better strategy won't win every time. It's expected to lose x amount of times naturally. To compare with poker, it's not lucky to beat AA with 2-7, it's  just hitting the variance. However, wouldyou do that in the final all-in hand in the headsup of a tournament that is something I would deem lucky.

A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all. Even if something absurd happens you are merely just hitting the variance that is built in into the game.

In this case though, even if my game was in a league match I wouldn't consider myself lucky at all. to hit province four times in a row with my deck wasn't unusual at all and it annoyed me quite a lot to be scoulded at because of it.

Anyway, this might be just my pet peeve and that is quite alright. I most likely have this distinction between the terms to not go mad when my decks refuse to collaborate...

It's not clear to me from this what you mean when you think of "luck". What you describe as "variance" is what other people are calling "luck". In general, "contains luck" is another way of saying "contains randomness". I suppose you can call it "variance" as well, but that's still the same thing as either "randomness" or "luck".

Sure, but in the context of an opponent getting a rare outcome I think it' simply wrong to consider them "lucky". They really isn't, they is
just playing a game with variance. In experienced (and civil) poker players don't call each other lucky when they win far out hands. It wouldn't be possible to play the game without tilting constantly if you saw it any outer way that those things happens, constantly. Same in Dominion. Sure, if a random game is important to you tilt away, but it's silly to me. I simply would expect more of players that know the game on some higher level, and I would say that the term "luck" is something that blocks certain players to think clearly about the game. But if not and you use luck and variance interchangeable, this doesn't really matter. It was only a rant after all.   
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on November 07, 2018, 07:37:46 am
But if not and you use luck and variance interchangeable, this doesn't really matter.

You're the only person I have heard of who doesn't use them interchangeably.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on November 07, 2018, 08:45:37 am
But if not and you use luck and variance interchangeable, this doesn't really matter.

You're the only person I have heard of who doesn't use them interchangeably.

Make that two.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on November 07, 2018, 10:30:47 am
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.

I disagree, although maybe only in the semantics. For me, variance means in practice that a better strategy won't win every time. It's expected to lose x amount of times naturally. To compare with poker, it's not lucky to beat AA with 2-7, it's  just hitting the variance. However, wouldyou do that in the final all-in hand in the headsup of a tournament that is something I would deem lucky.

A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all. Even if something absurd happens you are merely just hitting the variance that is built in into the game.

In this case though, even if my game was in a league match I wouldn't consider myself lucky at all. to hit province four times in a row with my deck wasn't unusual at all and it annoyed me quite a lot to be scoulded at because of it.

Anyway, this might be just my pet peeve and that is quite alright. I most likely have this distinction between the terms to not go mad when my decks refuse to collaborate...

It's not clear to me from this what you mean when you think of "luck". What you describe as "variance" is what other people are calling "luck". In general, "contains luck" is another way of saying "contains randomness". I suppose you can call it "variance" as well, but that's still the same thing as either "randomness" or "luck".

Sure, but in the context of an opponent getting a rare outcome I think it' simply wrong to consider them "lucky". They really isn't, they is
just playing a game with variance. In experienced (and civil) poker players don't call each other lucky when they win far out hands. It wouldn't be possible to play the game without tilting constantly if you saw it any outer way that those things happens, constantly. Same in Dominion. Sure, if a random game is important to you tilt away, but it's silly to me. I simply would expect more of players that know the game on some higher level, and I would say that the term "luck" is something that blocks certain players to think clearly about the game. But if not and you use luck and variance interchangeable, this doesn't really matter. It was only a rant after all.   

Ok but how do you define luck? By your definition, winning the lottery isn't lucky either. So... what IS an example of luck? You still haven't defined what you mean by "luck", or given an example of something that involves "luck". It sounds kind of like you are saying that "luck" is just a whiny way of talking about variance.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on November 07, 2018, 11:26:45 am
I get a warm feeling when we discuss random chance in the Random Stuff thread.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Simon Jester on November 09, 2018, 10:21:24 am
I'm not really sorry to tell you this – there is actually an enormous amount of luck in dominion, and it can absolutely be correct to attribute single games to luck. Over many games, luck will equal out, but not over one game.

I disagree, although maybe only in the semantics. For me, variance means in practice that a better strategy won't win every time. It's expected to lose x amount of times naturally. To compare with poker, it's not lucky to beat AA with 2-7, it's  just hitting the variance. However, wouldyou do that in the final all-in hand in the headsup of a tournament that is something I would deem lucky.

A single game on Dominion Online is never something I would consider lucky, there is no real stake at risk at all. Even if something absurd happens you are merely just hitting the variance that is built in into the game.

In this case though, even if my game was in a league match I wouldn't consider myself lucky at all. to hit province four times in a row with my deck wasn't unusual at all and it annoyed me quite a lot to be scoulded at because of it.

Anyway, this might be just my pet peeve and that is quite alright. I most likely have this distinction between the terms to not go mad when my decks refuse to collaborate...

It's not clear to me from this what you mean when you think of "luck". What you describe as "variance" is what other people are calling "luck". In general, "contains luck" is another way of saying "contains randomness". I suppose you can call it "variance" as well, but that's still the same thing as either "randomness" or "luck".

Sure, but in the context of an opponent getting a rare outcome I think it' simply wrong to consider them "lucky". They really isn't, they is
just playing a game with variance. In experienced (and civil) poker players don't call each other lucky when they win far out hands. It wouldn't be possible to play the game without tilting constantly if you saw it any outer way that those things happens, constantly. Same in Dominion. Sure, if a random game is important to you tilt away, but it's silly to me. I simply would expect more of players that know the game on some higher level, and I would say that the term "luck" is something that blocks certain players to think clearly about the game. But if not and you use luck and variance interchangeable, this doesn't really matter. It was only a rant after all.   

Ok but how do you define luck? By your definition, winning the lottery isn't lucky either. So... what IS an example of luck? You still haven't defined what you mean by "luck", or given an example of something that involves "luck". It sounds kind of like you are saying that "luck" is just a whiny way of talking about variance.

Well, the lottery isn't really a game of variance is in the same way as poker and Dominion is it? There is no way you can tamper the odds and you can not have any strategy at all. You just blindly go for it and if you win with those tiny odds it is indeed lucky as I see it. Betting is more in the borderline, I would say, since you are basically guessing what's going to happen. Then again, those who are able to make a living out of betting is merely exhausting the betting companies mistakes when setting the odds rather than actually playing the "game of betting". Still wouldn't mind to call winning big hits there lucky.

I guess I'm against the term because it's so often used as something that is actively working for or against you. "It's impossible to win against that luck" as my opponent stated. No it isn't. Next few turns you just might get that lucky outcome and my straightpaved way to victory might be turned to absolutely nothing. Luck has connotations of superstition, whilst variance is a term for gaming in my mind. It works for me, so I don't bother if I would be alone to use the distinction meaningfully. 

   
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2018, 01:33:31 pm
I guess I'm against the term because it's so often used as something that is actively working for or against you. "It's impossible to win against that luck" as my opponent stated.

Really, that's the other person's fault for using "impossible" incorrectly. What's impossible is buying a Gold in the first two turns of a base game. But when you have a crap-ton of curses and ruins, then it's not impossible to get the 8 coins for the final Province. It's just improbable.

But then I think that people use "impossible" hyperbolically to express their frustration. I might see a huge traffic jam and say, "It's going to be impossible to get home," but that is not technically true, and I know better.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on November 09, 2018, 01:37:09 pm
Really, that's the other person's fault for using "impossible" incorrectly. What's impossible is buying a Gold in the first two turns of a base game. But when you have a crap-ton of curses and ruins, then it's not impossible to get the 8 coins for the final Province. It's just improbable.

But if you have a crap-ton of Curses and Ruins and you still hit the 8 coins for the final Province while your opponent keeps hitting $7 despite not having any Curses or Ruins, then he is absolutely correct that it's impossible to win against your shuffle luck.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2018, 03:36:08 pm
Really, that's the other person's fault for using "impossible" incorrectly. What's impossible is buying a Gold in the first two turns of a base game. But when you have a crap-ton of curses and ruins, then it's not impossible to get the 8 coins for the final Province. It's just improbable.

But if you have a crap-ton of Curses and Ruins and you still hit the 8 coins for the final Province while your opponent keeps hitting $7 despite not having any Curses or Ruins, then he is absolutely correct that it's impossible to win against your shuffle luck.

Well, yes, when you impose conditions, then you are able to declare certain scenarios as impossible.

But in general, it's not impossible to win with a bloated, inefficient deck. Just really improbable.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2018, 03:44:54 pm
I vaguely remember a game where my opponent had a bloated deck and kept discarding 5+ cards at a time with farming village and then redrawing good hands, in a way that seemed comically unlikely, and I think they won from a huge deficit. I wish I had kept the log.

Really, that's the other person's fault for using "impossible" incorrectly. What's impossible is buying a Gold in the first two turns of a base game. But when you have a crap-ton of curses and ruins, then it's not impossible to get the 8 coins for the final Province. It's just improbable.

But if you have a crap-ton of Curses and Ruins and you still hit the 8 coins for the final Province while your opponent keeps hitting $7 despite not having any Curses or Ruins, then he is absolutely correct that it's impossible to win against your shuffle luck.

You have a text console, it's almost certainly theoretically possible for you to persuade them into resigning  :P
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on December 20, 2018, 11:19:14 am
Gamers can be an oddly conservative bunch. They get into a specific routine, and any change to that is met with hostility. Many gamers are pretty adaptable, but the ones who aren't will often make their displeasure known.

My recent observation on this is how gamers generate a number from 1 to 100. If you don't already know this, it's been established since at least the '70s that you can generate this number with two ten-sided dice (d10). You declare a die as the tens digit and the other as the ones digit. Whatever you roll in the tens digit, you multiply by 10. Then you add the other die. But there are a couple of tricks that we use.

First, when rolling 1-100, the 10 on the die actually counts as a 0. Most d10s on the market are printed this way. It is actually a source of bemusement among new players when they roll the d10 and proclaim they got a 0 and not a 10. So, for example, a roll of 8 and 4 becomes 84. A roll of 0 and 6 becomes 06. And a roll of 2 and 0 becomes 20. This gives a range of 00 to 99, so any roll of 00 is counted as 100.

It's a bit convoluted, but it works. You have an even distribution of 1through 100.

Fast forward to around 1992 (the earliest I've heard someone claim he had one) and the introduction of the percentile dice. This is a pair of d10s, but one of them is numbered differently. Instead of 0, 1, 2, it is numbered with 00, 10, 20. The idea being that you no longer declare the tens digit. It's already established by this die. You roll a 20 and an 8, and it's 28. But the rule of 0 still applies, so 30 and 0 gave you 30, while 00 and 0 gave you 100. New players could especially be confused if they roll 10 and 0 and are told that is not indeed 100.

It occurred to me that you don't need to use that method with the percentile dice. Instead, you could take the dice at face value. First off, you have to acknowledge that the 0 on a d10 represents 10. In most games, that counts as a 10, but for 1-100, people tend to automatically think of it as 0. Of course, if the die is printed with a 0, that makes the shift easier. For a d10 that is printed with a 10, then adding the dice works pretty well.

And this is where the clash with traditional gamers happens. Because now I no longer view the dice as 40 and 0. Now I view them as 40 and 10, which is actually 50 and not 40. I don't have to mentally switch from 10 to 0 or from 00 to 100. I can roll as low as 00 and 1 (for 1) and as high as 90 and 10 (for 100). The vitriol is alarming, even by internet standards. It produces a range of 1 through 100 evenly distributed, but because it wasn't in a way that people first learned (and I have 30+ years of that habit in me), some people have taken offense.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 09, 2019, 06:21:26 am
My VLC player tends to have some trouble increasing the playback speed. Does someone know a player that can play videos at double speed without lagging?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on January 09, 2019, 09:33:28 am
Gamers can be an oddly conservative bunch. They get into a specific routine, and any change to that is met with hostility. Many gamers are pretty adaptable, but the ones who aren't will often make their displeasure known.

My recent observation on this is how gamers generate a number from 1 to 100. If you don't already know this, it's been established since at least the '70s that you can generate this number with two ten-sided dice (d10). You declare a die as the tens digit and the other as the ones digit. Whatever you roll in the tens digit, you multiply by 10. Then you add the other die. But there are a couple of tricks that we use.

First, when rolling 1-100, the 10 on the die actually counts as a 0. Most d10s on the market are printed this way. It is actually a source of bemusement among new players when they roll the d10 and proclaim they got a 0 and not a 10. So, for example, a roll of 8 and 4 becomes 84. A roll of 0 and 6 becomes 06. And a roll of 2 and 0 becomes 20. This gives a range of 00 to 99, so any roll of 00 is counted as 100.

It's a bit convoluted, but it works. You have an even distribution of 1through 100.

Fast forward to around 1992 (the earliest I've heard someone claim he had one) and the introduction of the percentile dice. This is a pair of d10s, but one of them is numbered differently. Instead of 0, 1, 2, it is numbered with 00, 10, 20. The idea being that you no longer declare the tens digit. It's already established by this die. You roll a 20 and an 8, and it's 28. But the rule of 0 still applies, so 30 and 0 gave you 30, while 00 and 0 gave you 100. New players could especially be confused if they roll 10 and 0 and are told that is not indeed 100.

It occurred to me that you don't need to use that method with the percentile dice. Instead, you could take the dice at face value. First off, you have to acknowledge that the 0 on a d10 represents 10. In most games, that counts as a 10, but for 1-100, people tend to automatically think of it as 0. Of course, if the die is printed with a 0, that makes the shift easier. For a d10 that is printed with a 10, then adding the dice works pretty well.

And this is where the clash with traditional gamers happens. Because now I no longer view the dice as 40 and 0. Now I view them as 40 and 10, which is actually 50 and not 40. I don't have to mentally switch from 10 to 0 or from 00 to 100. I can roll as low as 00 and 1 (for 1) and as high as 90 and 10 (for 100). The vitriol is alarming, even by internet standards. It produces a range of 1 through 100 evenly distributed, but because it wasn't in a way that people first learned (and I have 30+ years of that habit in me), some people have taken offense.

I find this confusing, but perhaps you over-explained.

One issue is that the die says "0" on it, so you do have to mentally change that "0" to a "10" if you roll it, don't you?

But really, I think the only real issue is expectation... the method that will be used for generating the number needs to be clearly established before the die roll. If everyone watching you roll thinks that a roll of 30 and 0 should equal 30, and you roll it and declare that you rolled a 40, then of course people will cry fowl.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 09, 2019, 12:23:09 pm
My VLC player tends to have some trouble increasing the playback speed. Does someone know a player that can play videos at double speed without lagging?

That super depends on your specs, the videos that you're trying to play at double speed, and your codec settings, but in general, VLC is not a very good player for a multitude of reasons and you should be using either MPC-HC (which is easiest to get running by installing a codec pack such as the K-Lite Codec Pack) or mpv depending on your operating system.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on January 09, 2019, 01:24:58 pm
Gamers can be an oddly conservative bunch. They get into a specific routine, and any change to that is met with hostility. Many gamers are pretty adaptable, but the ones who aren't will often make their displeasure known.

My recent observation on this is how gamers generate a number from 1 to 100. If you don't already know this, it's been established since at least the '70s that you can generate this number with two ten-sided dice (d10). You declare a die as the tens digit and the other as the ones digit. Whatever you roll in the tens digit, you multiply by 10. Then you add the other die. But there are a couple of tricks that we use.

First, when rolling 1-100, the 10 on the die actually counts as a 0. Most d10s on the market are printed this way. It is actually a source of bemusement among new players when they roll the d10 and proclaim they got a 0 and not a 10. So, for example, a roll of 8 and 4 becomes 84. A roll of 0 and 6 becomes 06. And a roll of 2 and 0 becomes 20. This gives a range of 00 to 99, so any roll of 00 is counted as 100.

It's a bit convoluted, but it works. You have an even distribution of 1through 100.

Fast forward to around 1992 (the earliest I've heard someone claim he had one) and the introduction of the percentile dice. This is a pair of d10s, but one of them is numbered differently. Instead of 0, 1, 2, it is numbered with 00, 10, 20. The idea being that you no longer declare the tens digit. It's already established by this die. You roll a 20 and an 8, and it's 28. But the rule of 0 still applies, so 30 and 0 gave you 30, while 00 and 0 gave you 100. New players could especially be confused if they roll 10 and 0 and are told that is not indeed 100.

It occurred to me that you don't need to use that method with the percentile dice. Instead, you could take the dice at face value. First off, you have to acknowledge that the 0 on a d10 represents 10. In most games, that counts as a 10, but for 1-100, people tend to automatically think of it as 0. Of course, if the die is printed with a 0, that makes the shift easier. For a d10 that is printed with a 10, then adding the dice works pretty well.

And this is where the clash with traditional gamers happens. Because now I no longer view the dice as 40 and 0. Now I view them as 40 and 10, which is actually 50 and not 40. I don't have to mentally switch from 10 to 0 or from 00 to 100. I can roll as low as 00 and 1 (for 1) and as high as 90 and 10 (for 100). The vitriol is alarming, even by internet standards. It produces a range of 1 through 100 evenly distributed, but because it wasn't in a way that people first learned (and I have 30+ years of that habit in me), some people have taken offense.

I find this confusing, but perhaps you over-explained.

One issue is that the die says "0" on it, so you do have to mentally change that "0" to a "10" if you roll it, don't you?

But really, I think the only real issue is expectation... the method that will be used for generating the number needs to be clearly established before the die roll. If everyone watching you roll thinks that a roll of 30 and 0 should equal 30, and you roll it and declare that you rolled a 40, then of course people will cry fowl.

QWERTY keyboard vs. DVORAK keyboard seems like a more notorious example.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 10, 2019, 08:45:43 am
I find this confusing, but perhaps you over-explained.

Possible. I tend to do that.

One issue is that the die says "0" on it, so you do have to mentally change that "0" to a "10" if you roll it, don't you?

But really, I think the only real issue is expectation... the method that will be used for generating the number needs to be clearly established before the die roll. If everyone watching you roll thinks that a roll of 30 and 0 should equal 30, and you roll it and declare that you rolled a 40, then of course people will cry fowl.

Which is why I'm making the switch to d10s that read from 1 to 10. Then if I need to roll percentile dice, then it obviously is not a 0.

The expectation is key here; you're right. If this ever comes up (I am not currently playing any games where percentile is important), then I'll declare that I'm adding the dice as I roll them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on January 10, 2019, 11:43:09 am
I find this confusing, but perhaps you over-explained.

Possible. I tend to do that.

One issue is that the die says "0" on it, so you do have to mentally change that "0" to a "10" if you roll it, don't you?

But really, I think the only real issue is expectation... the method that will be used for generating the number needs to be clearly established before the die roll. If everyone watching you roll thinks that a roll of 30 and 0 should equal 30, and you roll it and declare that you rolled a 40, then of course people will cry fowl.

Which is why I'm making the switch to d10s that read from 1 to 10. Then if I need to roll percentile dice, then it obviously is not a 0.

The expectation is key here; you're right. If this ever comes up (I am not currently playing any games where percentile is important), then I'll declare that I'm adding the dice as I roll them.

What would make most sense to me is one die that has 00, 10, 20, ...,90 and another that has 1,2, ..., 10, then just add them. This gives a range of 1-100 without any "Aces high or low" confusion on the 0 or 10.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on January 10, 2019, 11:48:46 am
I find this confusing, but perhaps you over-explained.

Possible. I tend to do that.

One issue is that the die says "0" on it, so you do have to mentally change that "0" to a "10" if you roll it, don't you?

But really, I think the only real issue is expectation... the method that will be used for generating the number needs to be clearly established before the die roll. If everyone watching you roll thinks that a roll of 30 and 0 should equal 30, and you roll it and declare that you rolled a 40, then of course people will cry fowl.

Which is why I'm making the switch to d10s that read from 1 to 10. Then if I need to roll percentile dice, then it obviously is not a 0.

The expectation is key here; you're right. If this ever comes up (I am not currently playing any games where percentile is important), then I'll declare that I'm adding the dice as I roll them.

What would make most sense to me is one die that has 00, 10, 20, ...,90 and another that has 1,2, ..., 10, then just add them. This gives a range of 1-100 without any "Aces high or low" confusion on the 0 or 10.

One issue is that while those dice may work great as a substitute for a d100, I'm not sure they make as much sense for any other situation where you need a d10. It's weird if one part of the set effectively is 0-9 while the other part is effectively 1-10.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on January 10, 2019, 12:16:50 pm
A mean why not just have a range from 0-99?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 10, 2019, 01:15:20 pm
What would make most sense to me is one die that has 00, 10, 20, ...,90 and another that has 1,2, ..., 10, then just add them. This gives a range of 1-100 without any "Aces high or low" confusion on the 0 or 10.

That's exactly what I was saying. Gendo's right that I overexplain things. I just wanted to give people who didn't know what a d10 was an idea of what I'm getting at. I probably should've assumed everyone knew it and just explain when someone asks for it.

Just get rid of 0-9 altogether. I've only seen one RPG that requires a roll of 0-9. I've heard that there may be some war games that use 0-9, but I don't know them.

And 00-99 is a perfectly cromulent use of percentile. When you roll for a 27% chance, say, then only rolls 00-26 succeed. In essence, roll under the number and not under or equal that number. But it runs into the same issue of stating your intent so people don't call bullshit on you. But it is also consistent, and that is pleasing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on January 10, 2019, 01:41:46 pm
Of course, you can also just get an actual d100.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: jonts26 on January 10, 2019, 02:03:50 pm
rand() % 100 + 1; 

easy.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on January 10, 2019, 02:14:00 pm
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on January 10, 2019, 03:16:51 pm
I think I continue to use VLC out of years of accumulated spite from people telling me that VLC is a shitty media player.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 10, 2019, 05:12:37 pm
I've been using VLC for years and have generally been very satisfied. The design is simplistic, it hides its advanced options well, it's straight-forward to install, and it usually works. The apparent fact that it's rather inefficient -- playing stuff faster and introducing big subtitle delays both seem to bring it to its limits -- doesn't matter very often. But, well, in this case it does.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on January 10, 2019, 05:19:21 pm
Yeah, I don't have an real problems with it, but I hate to watch stuff sped up.

I sometimes slow stuff down a bit (we watched parts of Tatami Galaxy while eating.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2019, 06:48:55 pm
I've been using VLC for years and have generally been very satisfied. The design is simplistic, it hides its advanced options well, it's straight-forward to install, and it usually works. The apparent fact that it's rather inefficient -- playing stuff faster and introducing big subtitle delays both seem to bring it to its limits -- doesn't matter very often. But, well, in this case it does.

The problem with VLC has never been its design or installation process. The problem is that it has limited customization options, worse quality (especially with subtitles and upscaled video), worse compatibility, as well as the fact that it's rather inefficient.

It's been a while since I last did this comparison, so for the sake of science, here goes. I'm using the most recent version of VLC and the K-Lite Codec Pack and the [Fancutfags] v2 release of Madoka, which is a good test subject because it uses pretty advanced mkv features that VLC has traditionally struggled to support, it uses ASS subtitles, it comes in two different resolutions so I can test both upscaling and regular playback, and I know exactly what it's supposed to look like given that I made it.

Upscaling 720p -> 1080p:

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/jwlwlp4uqcsznv7/mpc-hc%20quality%20test.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/9r6dp5639ljz7al/vlc%20quality%20test.png
VLC is blurrier and displays the subtitles slightly incorrectly.

Playing 1080p:

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/mggy35z7m3fhr2g/mpc-hc%20quality%20test%202.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/sj7dy0cv9wib83q/vlc%20quality%20test%202.png
The difference is smaller here, but it's still there. The subtitles are actually pretty good looking on VLC this time — as in, they're pretty much identical to how MPC/K-Lite displays them —  which is an improvement over past versions.

Furthermore, MPC-HC is able to perform the chapter jumps seamlessly, and VLC isn't (you get stuttering and it shows you a couple of frames you're not supposed to see) — although, it is noteworthy that VLC is able to perform them at all without causing the subtitles to go out of sync for the rest of the video file, which is an improvement over past versions.

So TL;DR VLC is slowly catching up to how good MPC-HC has been for at least 5 years already but it isn't there yet.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 11, 2019, 11:25:37 am
Of course, you can also just get an actual d100.

I'm generally not fond of the d100, but that's because I'm impatient. I'm happier with rolling two dice without waiting for dice to stop.

But I cannot argue its fairness. It is technically the simplest way to roll 1-100. It's just not my favorite.

Someone asked me if rolling d10000 would blow my theory out of the water. After evaluating the dice, it looks like it still works—provided the smallest die goes from 1 to 10 while the others go rom 0* to 9*. So you get 10k by adding 9000+900+90+10.

But I don't play any games that require a d10000. Not sure I'd want something with that degree of granularity, but I could be persuaded.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on January 11, 2019, 12:11:42 pm
Of course, you can also just get an actual d100.

I'm generally not fond of the d100, but that's because I'm impatient. I'm happier with rolling two dice without waiting for dice to stop.

But I cannot argue its fairness. It is technically the simplest way to roll 1-100. It's just not my favorite.

Someone asked me if rolling d10000 would blow my theory out of the water. After evaluating the dice, it looks like it still works—provided the smallest die goes from 1 to 10 while the others go rom 0* to 9*. So you get 10k by adding 9000+900+90+10.

But I don't play any games that require a d10000. Not sure I'd want something with that degree of granularity, but I could be persuaded.

I've never heard of any game that requires a d10000, and I doubt I could be persuaded that that degree of granularity could be good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 12, 2019, 05:29:57 am
Of course, you can also just get an actual d100.

I'm generally not fond of the d100, but that's because I'm impatient. I'm happier with rolling two dice without waiting for dice to stop.

But I cannot argue its fairness. It is technically the simplest way to roll 1-100. It's just not my favorite.

Someone asked me if rolling d10000 would blow my theory out of the water. After evaluating the dice, it looks like it still works—provided the smallest die goes from 1 to 10 while the others go rom 0* to 9*. So you get 10k by adding 9000+900+90+10.

But I don't play any games that require a d10000. Not sure I'd want something with that degree of granularity, but I could be persuaded.

I've never heard of any game that requires a d10000, and I doubt I could be persuaded that that degree of granularity could be good.

May I introduce you to the world's greatest RPG, FATAL?

I don't remember the details, but I know during setup you are instructed to roll a d1,000,000 among other things.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on January 12, 2019, 02:56:00 pm
I doubt you could persuade anyone that FATAL is good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 14, 2019, 08:40:22 am
If you recall my quote:
Quote
Not sure I'd want something with that degree of granularity

Nobody wants FATAL. I don't care how many zeroes they put after the d.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 20, 2019, 06:20:49 pm
My VLC player tends to have some trouble increasing the playback speed. Does someone know a player that can play videos at double speed without lagging?

That super depends on your specs, the videos that you're trying to play at double speed, and your codec settings, but in general, VLC is not a very good player for a multitude of reasons and you should be using either MPC-HC (which is easiest to get running by installing a codec pack such as the K-Lite Codec Pack) or mpv depending on your operating system.

I did this, and this player does indeed play at double speed without lagging.

... however, it now has a moderately annoying audio bug where it makes little cracking sounds once every two seconds or so, which doesn't happen when I use VLC.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 23, 2019, 05:24:06 pm
This (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/740205-bravely-second-end-layer/77413667) is perhaps one of the strangest and most petty attempts at humble bragging about a false achievement that I've ever seen. Every post TC makes sounds more and more desperate to convince people it's true and that it's a big deal.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on January 23, 2019, 06:47:44 pm
I'm not sure the link goes where you intended it to. Who or what is TC?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 24, 2019, 02:03:56 am
That's going to the correct thread. I don't know who the TC was, he's a user I've not seen before.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 24, 2019, 03:19:14 am
That's going to the correct thread. I don't know who the TC was, he's a user I've not seen before.

Is TC a synonym for OP?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on January 24, 2019, 04:12:35 am
Just played my first pen and paper, Numenera. I understood it tries to make minmaxing less of a point than others and puts the focus on narration and exploration, which I felt was neat. Apparently you could use a d100 for certain things, but it didn't really come up.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 24, 2019, 08:26:51 am
That's going to the correct thread. I don't know who the TC was, he's a user I've not seen before.

Is TC a synonym for OP?

Maybe Topic Creator?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on January 24, 2019, 04:53:28 pm
Yeah, TC is an acronym for topic creator.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on January 27, 2019, 01:08:07 am
Is it normal to be so hot and sweaty after exercising that when I go outside to cool off I am literally steaming?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 27, 2019, 06:07:14 am
Is it normal to be so hot and sweaty after exercising that when I go outside to cool off I am literally steaming?

Depends on the temperature, but probably yes in the winter.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 31, 2019, 09:33:50 am
It threw me off when I saw someone talking about a biannual review of a process that's been in place for only a year, and then I realized that she probably means a review twice a year.

And that's why the word is dead now. Same with bimonthly.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 04, 2019, 03:50:05 pm
We were waving our arms out the window of a fast-moving passenger train, acting in an irresponsible fashion until the engineer whose back had been turned and who we thought would find us highly amusing quickly swiveled his head around, and his face which was a paper-white mask of evil sang us this song.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sitnaltax on February 05, 2019, 01:31:56 am
We were waving our arms out the window of a fast-moving passenger train, acting in an irresponsible fashion until the engineer whose back had been turned and who we thought would find us highly amusing quickly swiveled his head around, and his face which was a paper-white mask of evil sang us this song.

Deep cuts from old TMBG! I approve.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 05, 2019, 06:42:11 am
This is funny ("This is what happened to McDonalds when I didn't have a McDonalds this week:")

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DymT0K_WsAAHLRa.jpg)

Caricature of how you can lie with graphs
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on February 05, 2019, 12:59:27 pm
This is funny ("This is what happened to McDonalds when I didn't have a McDonalds this week:")

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DymT0K_WsAAHLRa.jpg)

Caricature of how you can lie with graphs

I don't get it? The numbers only work if the exact same number of people other than you had McDonalds each week.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 05, 2019, 03:22:25 pm
eh, details
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 06, 2019, 12:14:00 pm
Okay, I'm stumped on this riddle. Considering that I'm having a hard time finding it on Google, I question how viable it is. It's not a popular one obviously. It may have originated in England, judging from the use of "dice" as singular, but it might not exclusively be an English thing. Any ideas? It sounds vaguely board-game-y.

I am a king but I do not move one space.
Roll the a dice and I start a fast race.
Begin my reign, I make bucks.
My land is not free, it is my crux.

I almost want to say Monopoly, though that game does not have kings. Perhaps it is used figuratively. But everything else could apply to it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on February 06, 2019, 12:21:24 pm
Okay, I'm stumped on this riddle. Considering that I'm having a hard time finding it on Google, I question how viable it is. It's not a popular one obviously. It may have originated in England, judging from the use of "dice" as singular, but it might not exclusively be an English thing. Any ideas? It sounds vaguely board-game-y.

I am a king but I do not move one space.
Roll the dice and I start a fast race.
Begin my reign, I make bucks.
My land is not free, it is my crux.

I almost want to say Monopoly, though that game does not have kings. Perhaps it is used figuratively. But everything else could apply to it.

What makes you think "dice" is being used as singular?

It sounds like it could be King of Tokyo, but not obviously so.

I am a king but I do not move one space. Obviously mostly meaning "not chess", but each player is a monster that is attempting to be the "King".

Roll the dice and I start a fast race. Start every tun by rolling the dice. You are racing to get to 20 points.

Begin my reign, I make bucks. When you enter Tokyo (begin your reign), you get a bonus point.

My land is not free, it is my crux. Being in Tokyo has a harsh penalty of being unable to heal.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 06, 2019, 12:53:27 pm
Sorry, I copied this riddle from another source from where I first saw it. I first saw it as an image, which I couldn't copy. In that version, it said "Roll a dice" and I didn't pick up that the second version was different. It does make more sense when it's not a single die, and that may just be the "postman" effect.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 08, 2019, 06:27:28 pm
Man, it's been 2 days, and they haven't posted the answer yet. I am vexed right now.

Okay, I'm stumped on this riddle. Considering that I'm having a hard time finding it on Google, I question how viable it is. It's not a popular one obviously. It may have originated in England, judging from the use of "dice" as singular, but it might not exclusively be an English thing. Any ideas? It sounds vaguely board-game-y.

I am a king but I do not move one space.
Roll the a dice and I start a fast race.
Begin my reign, I make bucks.
My land is not free, it is my crux.

I almost want to say Monopoly, though that game does not have kings. Perhaps it is used figuratively. But everything else could apply to it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on February 11, 2019, 04:02:20 am
that may just be the "postman" effect.
What is the postman effect? I tried to read up on it, but all I found was why dogs bark at the postman.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 11, 2019, 08:41:28 am
that may just be the "postman" effect.
What is the postman effect? I tried to read up on it, but all I found was why dogs bark at the postman.

Well, actually I think I meant post office. Basically where one person repeats another person but interjects some possible inaccuracies.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on February 11, 2019, 11:26:54 am
that may just be the "postman" effect.
What is the postman effect? I tried to read up on it, but all I found was why dogs bark at the postman.

Well, actually I think I meant post office. Basically where one person repeats another person but interjects some possible inaccuracies.
Ah, now I get it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 11, 2019, 03:09:41 pm
The contentious definition of bi-annual has reared its ugly head again. I tried to politely suggest that due to all the confusion that has formed around that word that we refer to semiannual since at least that word is unambiguous (and I hate it when people refer to bi-annual as twice a year).

And then I get proven wrong by someone saying that semiannual means four times a year. I can't guarantee I kept a good enough poker face at hearing that one. But she looked it up and realized the mistake, but it still flummoxed me that that definition has been going around.

People just suck at prefixes, man.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Asper on February 12, 2019, 10:08:52 am
People just suck at prefixes, man.

Prefixes are words in front of other words that, while being part of the same term, are still visually divided by a space. An example would be "counter measure"'s "counter". What you mean are antefixes, units that are part of the very same word,such as "ante" in antefix.

I like to make stuff up on the internet for fun.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 12, 2019, 11:09:21 am
People just suck at prefixes, man.

Prefixes are words in front of other words that, while being part of the same term, are still visually divided by a space. An example would be "counter measure"'s "counter". What you mean are antefixes, units that are part of the very same word,such as "ante" in antefix.

I like to make stuff up on the internet for fun.

It was very well done too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on February 12, 2019, 12:35:24 pm
People just suck at prefixes, man.

Prefixes are words in front of other words that, while being part of the same term, are still visually divided by a space. An example would be "counter measure"'s "counter". What you mean are antefixes, units that are part of the very same word,such as "ante" in antefix.

I like to make stuff up on the internet for fun.

Man I almost got trolled.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 12, 2019, 01:35:46 pm
An antefix is actually a vertical block that terminates the covering tiles of a tiled roof.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 15, 2019, 10:04:01 pm
Once again I got sucked into another pointless Facebook vortex. I had to caption this.

(https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51998048_10156233542803042_6823250509764231168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fmkc1-1.fna&oh=6f790922962bd0678cfc94105baa5f07&oe=5CF1FACA)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 23, 2019, 07:38:30 am
I've been playing around with changing my avatar, this is the current leading alternative. What do you think?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on February 23, 2019, 09:04:49 pm
Once again I got sucked into another pointless Facebook vortex. I had to caption this.

(https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51998048_10156233542803042_6823250509764231168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fmkc1-1.fna&oh=6f790922962bd0678cfc94105baa5f07&oe=5CF1FACA)

Can you blame them?

W + W + W = 30
W + X + X = 20
X + X + Y = 18

What is V + X * Y?

What, you didn't realise that V was W/2? Expected parentheses that could trivially be added to remove all unneeded ambiguity rather than remember BEDMAS? That's exactly what the 90% of people who fail would say.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Watno on February 24, 2019, 07:57:36 am
Can you blame them?

W + W + W = 30
W + X + X = 20
X + X + Y = 18

What is V + X * Y?

What, you didn't realise that V was W/2? Expected parentheses that could trivially be added to remove all unneeded ambiguity rather than remember BEDMAS? That's exactly what the 90% of people who fail would say.

What I find funny abot this is that the way these problems are displayed, it makes way more sense for V being sqrt(W), since having 2 variables without anything between them usually means multiplication. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 24, 2019, 02:23:11 pm
Can you blame them?

W + W + W = 30
W + X + X = 20
X + X + Y = 18

What is V + X * Y?

What, you didn't realise that V was W/2? Expected parentheses that could trivially be added to remove all unneeded ambiguity rather than remember BEDMAS? That's exactly what the 90% of people who fail would say.

What I find funny abot this is that the way these problems are displayed, it makes way more sense for V being sqrt(W), since having 2 variables without anything between them usually means multiplication. 

Yeah, I like to point out that while they probably are looking for V being W/2, that relationship is not defined, so I use SQRT(W) as an example of why it's important to define terms early.

But speaking of PEDMAS (or BODMAS or any other permutation of that acronym), I never learned it that way. I simply learned that multiplication happens before addition with parentheses redirecting priority as needed. I later learned about exponents, and it just made sense to me that you work those first because you can view expressions as adding together a bunch of groups, and of course you do exponents before multiplication. But superscripts help with that. One may question the intent of writing x^3*y, but the superscript easily differentiates between x3y and x3y. While x^3*y would strictly be equivalent to the former, I would ask for clarification first because I can see where the author could make an unfounded assumption in writing that.

But I feel like the PEDMAS acronym is hurting people in those Facebook math questions. The latest I've seen is 5-5*5+5. People not aware of the order of operations will say 5, but I've seen a lot of people say that the answer is -25. The reason is that you multiply first (5-25+5) and then add next (5-30) and finally subtract (-25). They don't realize that addition and subtraction have the same priority (or that they are in fact the same operation).

Naturally, the commutative property does let you add those in any order, but they think they can add 25 and 5. They don't realize that the term is -25. When people can't remember the actual math, they seem to fall back on the acronym, but they're not using it correctly. I've seen people try to correct them by writing it as PE(DM)(AS) to indicate when priority is equal. I can respect that attempt.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on February 24, 2019, 03:07:02 pm
One of the Maths teachers I work with doesn't like teaching BIDMAS (aka PEDMAS) because of exactly that confusion. Instead he mentions that BIDMAS is a way some people remember it but then explains better ways, namely how the more powerful things happen first with brackets forcing priority. Obviously he explains it better than I'm doing in 2 lines of text but whatever. I feel like BIDMAS ends up confusing some people because it feels like an arbitrary rule, few people really have any idea of WHY it's there.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: scott_pilgrim on February 24, 2019, 03:43:18 pm
When people can't remember the actual math, they seem to fall back on the acronym, but they're not using it correctly. I've seen people try to correct them by writing it as PE(DM)(AS) to indicate when priority is equal. I can respect that attempt.

When I tutored math that's usually how I would explain it. But what's really frustrating to me is when teachers make no distinction between things in math that are just arbitrarily established conventions, versus things that are actually provably true. When a student asks "Why do we go in the PEMDAS order?", it is technically correct to say "Because that's the easiest way to do it", because that is why we do it; it's just some arbitrary convention, and we had to make up some consistent rules, so why not those rules. But if you just leave the answer at that, the student walks away thinking that that's how everything in math works, we just make up rules to follow, and then being "good at math" is just a matter of memorizing and applying those rules.

PEMDAS isn't really a feature of math, it's a feature of language, which just happens to only be relevant when you're talking about something mathematical, in the same way that "four" is a feature of language, but you only ever use it to express a mathematical idea. But the fact that you learn about it in a math class makes your brain lump it together with all other "math", and that makes you more inclined to think that everything else in that category was equally arbitrary.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: sudgy on February 24, 2019, 04:05:26 pm
I've always thought that order of operations is way more simple than people make it out to be.  Multiplication and division are the same thing, and happen before addition and subtraction.  Other than that, it's left to right.  That's all I've ever thought about order of operations.  Exponents, by the way they're written, require them to be resolved first (barring stupid cases like x^3*y), and parentheses are just a universal "resolve this first".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2019, 09:17:23 pm
The correct answer to all those "puzzles" looks to always be undefined.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: blueblimp on February 25, 2019, 01:44:09 am
When a student asks "Why do we go in the PEMDAS order?", it is technically correct to say "Because that's the easiest way to do it", because that is why we do it; it's just some arbitrary convention, and we had to make up some consistent rules, so why not those rules.
I don't know the real reason behind the convention, but I suspect it's to let you write polynomials in standard form without parentheses and without the insanity that would result from addition binding tighter than subtraction. ("Why standard form" is that it allows you to easily add and multiply polynomials. "Why polynomials" is that they're pervasive in math.)

That doesn't cover division, but I think that's just imitating the way addition and subtraction work, and, anyway, the division symbol hardly ever gets used.

Edit: Turns out I wrote about the same point on here 7 years ago. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3437.msg66602#msg66602)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 25, 2019, 10:15:30 am
Edit: Turns out I wrote about the same point on here 7 years ago. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3437.msg66602#msg66602)

On a thread that I started even. These things just bug me because they're easy to correct, but so many people don't want to learn. It bugs the tutor within me. But then if you're convinced you're right, then it's hard for someone to convince you otherwise. But at least be willing to check yourself. If 20 people all told me that you do addition before multiplication, I'd say they're wrong, but the number is large enough that it would make me double-check that something hasn't changed.

But some people have acknowledged that they have learned something new to them, and that makes it worth it. I just wish there were more of them.

And yeah, I haven't seen the division sign used past elementary school. I get annoyed when I see it pop up on those brain teasers because it's not really standard use. I tend to not discuss those.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 03:45:24 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 28, 2019, 03:49:48 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.

He is like Robin Hood. Steals from the rich, gives to the poor. Takes your gold and silver, but if you lack treasure he is generous enough to give you a copper.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 03:51:12 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.

He doesn't shoot arrows, he's just the Thief but he actually looks at the other person's treasures before taking them: he can only sell silver and gold, so that's all he takes, plus he's merciful: he leaves behind some useless (for him) coppers if the person's poor, because he didn't become a thief to harm, just out of necessity.

Short answer: Thief with a heart of Gold/Silver that needs constant fuel.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 03:54:43 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.

He is like Robin Hood. Steals from the rich, gives to the poor. Takes your gold and silver, but if you lack treasure he is generous enough to give you a copper.

wow now that you say it I guess that was actually intended! I never made that connection before.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on February 28, 2019, 03:54:51 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.

The arrowheads are made out of copper.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on February 28, 2019, 04:28:56 pm
Noble Brigand shoots arrows at people. Then they gain copper.

Explain.

The arrowheads are made out of copper.

Just because you got to it first doesn't mean you can just brazenly steal my answer, you cad!

Why if I had a copper arrowhead right now, I'd give you such an impaling.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Tables on March 01, 2019, 02:33:36 pm
Recently I went to a talk about the Flat Earth phenomenon and what's causing such an easily disproven myth to gain traction. It was pretty interesting. I'll just share a few highlight points in case anyone here ends up talking with one of these kind of people.

1) Often they are not flat earthers because of a complete lack of scientific knowledge, but because of being misled by poorly executed science and experiments. Often on Youtube - people doing flawed experiments or reaching the wrong conclusion from the experiments they have done (such as seeing if a spirit level remains flat while on a plane and similar).

2) Flat earthers often - very often - link in with many other conspiracy theories. This can range from "the Moon landing is fake" - which makes sense if you think space is fake - right up to much more sinister things such as Holocaust denial and similar. Be careful.

3) Perhaps most important (which is why I buried it as number 3, go me) there isn't just a single "flat earth" model that's agreed on. Talk to 10 different flat earthers* and you'll get 10 different ideas on what the Flat Earth is, how it works and why it works. In fact there are schisms in the community, with some sides basically claiming the other are government shills designed to mislead people and discredit the theory. Yup, it's an, uh, interesting community.

4) When interacting with this kind of people, it is very easy and tempting to act smug and conceited since you know you're right and they're wrong. And of course, you are - but bear in mind from their point of view, they're right and have realised something you've not, and so this attitude often only further serves to reinforce. Don't take an aggressive or superior approach.

5) Similar to the above, but how often do you interact with Flat Earthers and hear their arguments? Probably never, right. They interact with us every day, and hear the same arguments constantly. They have answers to them. If you come out all guns blazing and argue points, they will usually have an answer to you because they already thought of it, and unless you are a serious expert at physics (usually) there's a high chance you'll get caught out in being unable to answer them eventually - you're dropping down to their level and they beat you through experience. Instead you're generally better off talking with them and getting them to try and explain their views. You don't have to lie and pretend to agree, just try and follow their line of thought, as though it might hold some merit - and ask them to clarify and explain points that you feel are incompatible with what you've seen/know from reality, rather than directly challenging them. This won't get you an instant "win" but that's because you stop it feeling like you vs. them. Instead you can act almost like a guide to them, making them question it for themselves. Remember what I said - a lot of these people aren't completely ignorant of science, they've just been deceived by bad science. If you can guide them into doing things right, there's a good chance they'll work out their mistakes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on March 01, 2019, 02:37:43 pm
A friend of mine mentioned watching a documentary on flat-earthers recently and said it was good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 04:23:41 pm
Who wants to read GPT-2 generated posts describing non-existent anime characters and their appearances in non-existent shows?

https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/index.html

(For those who haven't heard about it yet, GPT-2 is OpenAI's big project. It can write essays responding to a textual input (like two paragraphs). I'm not quite sure what it has as input here, maybe it can also respond to images.)

Late edit because this is just funny. So many twists.

iku is on a train to the train station with his family when a very cute girl is seen at the station. He tells the other children in the carriage that she's there and asks to leave. iku then finds out that after the girl he saw has fallen from the train, he is now an attractive girl. He has a crush on her. iku then goes to meet a girl at the station who offers him a job as a prostitute. iku agrees to help her. iku is the only customer, so a girl appears and tells him to stay with her. iku tells her to leave after talking to the other kids, telling her to find him. iku then proceeds to tell the girls that he and iku are going to meet up at the car wash. iku asks the girls to leave before he leaves her with a big kiss from her, then he kisses her. iku tells the girls that he will meet up for a picnic after he returns home. The next day, the new heroine of this anime is iku. A girl he meets in the parking lot of this cafe. The girls ask him about her. iku tells them to go on a date to a café where there's a man waiting to meet them but he refuses because he doesn't want to see the girl he was with and she has some form of mental illness. He then tells the girls to go home. yuuki takes this for a walk to her house. yuuki starts to have flashbacks to her past life, like when she was a kid and she lost her virginity, but she gets some insight into the place she grew up in. A few days later, yuuki wakes up to find that she and yuuki are in bed in each other's bed. yuuki asks her whether yuuki is asleep since she was in her sleep when she died. yuuki answers that she hasn't noticed, and that if it was, she wouldn't have been at the same place. yuuki says that he won't be leaving her forever, and the girls all say that he has no problem going home because he wants to spend eternity. This story has many different endings as well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on March 03, 2019, 09:12:14 pm
A friend of mine mentioned watching a documentary on flat-earthers recently and said it was good.

Behind the Curve (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/)?  I watched this a few nights ago and it's pretty incredible.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on March 03, 2019, 09:20:33 pm
Recently I went to a talk about the Flat Earth phenomenon and what's causing such an easily disproven myth to gain traction. It was pretty interesting. I'll just share a few highlight points in case anyone here ends up talking with one of these kind of people.

1) Often they are not flat earthers because of a complete lack of scientific knowledge, but because of being misled by poorly executed science and experiments. Often on Youtube - people doing flawed experiments or reaching the wrong conclusion from the experiments they have done (such as seeing if a spirit level remains flat while on a plane and similar).

2) Flat earthers often - very often - link in with many other conspiracy theories. This can range from "the Moon landing is fake" - which makes sense if you think space is fake - right up to much more sinister things such as Holocaust denial and similar. Be careful.

3) Perhaps most important (which is why I buried it as number 3, go me) there isn't just a single "flat earth" model that's agreed on. Talk to 10 different flat earthers* and you'll get 10 different ideas on what the Flat Earth is, how it works and why it works. In fact there are schisms in the community, with some sides basically claiming the other are government shills designed to mislead people and discredit the theory. Yup, it's an, uh, interesting community.

4) When interacting with this kind of people, it is very easy and tempting to act smug and conceited since you know you're right and they're wrong. And of course, you are - but bear in mind from their point of view, they're right and have realised something you've not, and so this attitude often only further serves to reinforce. Don't take an aggressive or superior approach.

5) Similar to the above, but how often do you interact with Flat Earthers and hear their arguments? Probably never, right. They interact with us every day, and hear the same arguments constantly. They have answers to them. If you come out all guns blazing and argue points, they will usually have an answer to you because they already thought of it, and unless you are a serious expert at physics (usually) there's a high chance you'll get caught out in being unable to answer them eventually - you're dropping down to their level and they beat you through experience. Instead you're generally better off talking with them and getting them to try and explain their views. You don't have to lie and pretend to agree, just try and follow their line of thought, as though it might hold some merit - and ask them to clarify and explain points that you feel are incompatible with what you've seen/know from reality, rather than directly challenging them. This won't get you an instant "win" but that's because you stop it feeling like you vs. them. Instead you can act almost like a guide to them, making them question it for themselves. Remember what I said - a lot of these people aren't completely ignorant of science, they've just been deceived by bad science. If you can guide them into doing things right, there's a good chance they'll work out their mistakes.

The last point is pretty interesting, because there is a lot of things that we take for granted and assume are true (for good reason, generally). If you actually think about trying to prove everything you take to be true, it's an almost insurmountable task.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Titandrake on March 04, 2019, 01:26:44 am
(For those who haven't heard about it yet, GPT-2 is OpenAI's big project. It can write essays responding to a textual input (like two paragraphs). I'm not quite sure what it has as input here, maybe it can also respond to images.)

https://www.gwern.net/TWDNE

1. Seed GPT-2 with a bunch of anime keywords to get it to generate text that looks like an anime synopsis

The seed is
Code: [Select]
"Anime ai nani arigatou gomen \
        sayonara chigau dame Madoka jigoku kami kanojo mahou magical girl youkai 4koma yonkoma Japan Oreimo baka \
        chibi gakuran schoolgirl school uniform club Funimation Gainax Khara Ghibli Hayao Miyazaki Saber Fate \
        Stay Night Pop Team Epic Japanese Aria Escaflowne Kanon Clannad comedy itai manga Shonen Jump pocky \
        tsundere urusai weeaboo yaoi yuri zettai harem senpai otaku waifu weeb fanfiction doujinshi trope \
        Anime News Network Anime Central Touhou kanji kaiju Neon Genesis Evangelion Spice and Wolf Holo Asuka \
        kawaii bishonen bishojo visual novel light novel video game story plot Fruits Basket Toradora Taiga \
        Aisaka tiger Detective Conan Pokemon Osamu Tezuka cat ears neko romantic comedy little sister character \
        plot drama article nekomimi bunny isekai tanuki catgirl moe manga manga manga anime anime anime review \
        plot summary. An exciting cute kawaii new anime series based on a light novel shoujo manga called  \
        \"I Can't Believe My Alien Visitor Is My Little Sister\" or \"MAVISM\", a sequel to \"Raccoon Girl\", \
        is the latest hit. In the first episode of this anime, "

The output is some gibberish that looks like an anime synopsis.

2. To improve quality, take a synopsis outputted by GPT-2 and feed it as the new prompt to get a further elaboration on that fake anime - this is the final output used.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on March 05, 2019, 06:10:08 pm
Has anybody here talked about what "deceptively" in phrases like "deceptively easy" or "deceptively delicious" are supposed to mean? Is a thing that is "deceptively easy" something that is easier than it looks or harder than it looks? I think it's been used to describe both, and sometimes context isn't enough to distinguish.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 05, 2019, 07:22:54 pm
I have been under the assumption that it means it's easier than it looks.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ConMan on March 05, 2019, 07:28:00 pm
I think I usually take it as "deceptively X" means "it appears, or is technically X, but in practice it's actually not-X". So "deceptively simple" in terms of a game means "the rules are very simple, but gameplay results in complicated decision-making". I would read "deceptively delicious" as meaning something like "it's actually delicious, but it has some property that you wouldn't expect based on its taste, e.g. its made from some weird combination of ingredients or is surprisingly nutritious".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 05, 2019, 07:43:52 pm
I would read "deceptively delicious" as meaning something like "it's actually delicious, but it has some property that you wouldn't expect based on its taste, e.g. its made from some weird combination of ingredients or is surprisingly nutritious".

Oh yeah, I think that's more accurate than what I first said — i.e. "deceptively x" means "you would expect it to be y because things that are x are often also y, but in this case, it is x without being y". Like you would expect it to be a boring game since it's a simple game, but it's an interesting simple game instead.

At first I was thinking that you would expect it to be a complicated game since it's an interesting game, which is sort of the same thing in practice, but not in principle.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 05, 2019, 10:35:24 pm
I've always read it the way Awaclus originally said; that something that is deceptively easy is easier than it looks. I would say that a game with complicated decision making, yet simple rules, is deceptively complicated.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on March 06, 2019, 01:45:44 am
I've always read it the way Awaclus originally said; that something that is deceptively easy is easier than it looks. I would say that a game with complicated decision making, yet simple rules, is deceptively complicated.

Well see, you have the Hearthstone tagline: "Deceptively simple. Insanely fun". The implication here is that Hearthstone is easy to pick up, but has layers of complexity as you dig deeper into it. This is in line with what ConMan was saying and Awaclus's response to it.

Thing is, this does not mean that people won't use the term "deceptively simple" to mean it is easier than it looks. Looking into it, this is one of those terms that people can't agree on, and so the recommendation is to avoid using the expression of context does not make the meaning clear. My first reaction is to think it means "it deceives you into thinking it's simple when the reality is more nuanced".

I don't think it's as bad as "bi-monthly" because at least the "deceptively" expressions lend themselves more to contextual clues. Like, if you find a cook book called "deceptively delicious", it would seem odd to me if it talked about how to make food that looks unappetizing but is actually tasty. It turns out there is a book called "Deceptively Delicious", and it talks about using healthy foods as ingredients for appetizing dishes like speghetti and meatballs. So "deceptively delicious" as used here doesn't seem like it means "less delicious than it appears" or "more delicious than it appears". It's instead the "I can't believe it's not butter" thing where something is tasty despite being made unconventionally. Again, that's in line with ConMan's interpretation.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: ConMan on March 06, 2019, 05:42:39 pm
I would say that I don't necessarily think that the alternative *isn't* an interpretation, it's just not the one that I immediately go to.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: mail-mi on March 07, 2019, 12:48:32 am
Has anybody here talked about what "deceptively" in phrases like "deceptively easy" or "deceptively delicious" are supposed to mean? Is a thing that is "deceptively easy" something that is easier than it looks or harder than it looks? I think it's been used to describe both, and sometimes context isn't enough to distinguish.

Along these same lines:

cleave verb (1)
\ ˈklēv  \
cleaved\ ˈklēvd  \ or clove\ ˈklōv  \ also clave\ ˈklāv  \; cleaved; cleaving
Definition of cleave
intransitive verb

1. to adhere firmly and closely.
2. to separate into distinct parts.

One word, two completely opposite definitions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 09, 2019, 08:23:55 am
Remember the old days when there was only you and your cards?

(https://s17.directupload.net/images/190309/9p3zsydd.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 09, 2019, 11:19:58 am
Remember the old days when there was only you and your cards?

Oh yeah. Nowadays there are other people too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: LostPhoenix on March 09, 2019, 02:33:32 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 09, 2019, 03:58:16 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

(https://aijaa.com/img/b/00771/14570250.jpg)

And that was from last May.....Awaclus has distanced himself from Witherweaver now with 310 days to 281 days.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2019, 10:42:17 am
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

(https://aijaa.com/img/b/00771/14570250.jpg)

And that was from last May.....Awaclus has distanced himself from Witherweaver now with 310 days to 281 days.

Wtf, how has Witherweaver only used f.ds for 3 days over the course of a year? It's not like he quit or anything.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on March 12, 2019, 11:50:08 pm
Help me remember a phrase... what is it called when you take advantage of a situation to make sure people know where you stand on an issue? Like, if a racist act were in the news, and you post about how you think it was such a horrible thing, because you really want people to know that you think racism is bad.

It’s like lip service, but different. Lip service is more about not doing anything more than just talking about something. The thing I’m thinking of is more about the desire for people to know where you stand.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on March 13, 2019, 12:26:04 am
Help me remember a phrase... what is it called when you take advantage of a situation to make sure people know where you stand on an issue? Like, if a racist act were in the news, and you post about how you think it was such a horrible thing, because you really want people to know that you think racism is bad.

It’s like lip service, but different. Lip service is more about not doing anything more than just talking about something. The thing I’m thinking of is more about the desire for people to know where you stand.

Virtue-signaling?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 04:54:56 am
Help me remember a phrase... what is it called when you take advantage of a situation to make sure people know where you stand on an issue? Like, if a racist act were in the news, and you post about how you think it was such a horrible thing, because you really want people to know that you think racism is bad.

It’s like lip service, but different. Lip service is more about not doing anything more than just talking about something. The thing I’m thinking of is more about the desire for people to know where you stand.

It's called "80% of human behavior". Or "(vitue) signaling," alternatively.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on March 13, 2019, 05:07:38 am
I still associate a certain sense of dishonesty with the term virtue signaling. Like maybe you do think that racism is bad but you don't really care too much about it, but the way you post makes people think you care a lot, or perhaps you even convince yourself to care a lot but only for the sake of improving your virtue points in other people's eyes, not out of compassion. To use a different example, all the big corporations changing their social media profile pictures to a rainbow flag variation during the pride week would be virtue signaling whereas a gay rights organization doing the same wouldn't, in my opinion; that would just be them being true to themselves.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on March 13, 2019, 08:07:32 am
It is a nebulous enough term that its usefulness is questionable.

I've seen it used many times in an attempt to shut someone down. That guy arguing for the legalization of gay marriage? He just virtue-signaling, so we can ignore his arguments. He only cares because his girlfriend does.

It might not even be true, but the mere act of calling someone out on virtue-signaling shifts the focus from the actual argument itself to the person's intentions. With a few choice words, you paint the altruistic as opportunistic. 

It's become one of those internet buzzwords that requires scrutiny because it can be used to effectively shut down constructive talk. See also: Mansplaining, sealioning, SJW.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on March 13, 2019, 08:31:10 am
Help me remember a phrase... what is it called when you take advantage of a situation to make sure people know where you stand on an issue? Like, if a racist act were in the news, and you post about how you think it was such a horrible thing, because you really want people to know that you think racism is bad.

It’s like lip service, but different. Lip service is more about not doing anything more than just talking about something. The thing I’m thinking of is more about the desire for people to know where you stand.

Virtue-signaling?

That's it, thanks!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 08:43:31 am
It is a nebulous enough term that its usefulness is questionable.

I've seen it used many times in an attempt to shut someone down. That guy arguing for the legalization of gay marriage? He just virtue-signaling, so we can ignore his arguments. He only cares because his girlfriend does.

It might not even be true, but the mere act of calling someone out on virtue-signaling shifts the focus from the actual argument itself to the person's intentions. With a few choice words, you paint the altruistic as opportunistic. 

It's become one of those internet buzzwords that requires scrutiny because it can be used to effectively shut down constructive talk. See also: Mansplaining, sealioning, SJW.

You're not completely wrong, which is unfortunate, because I do genuinely think that most of what drives most people (in rich societies) most of the time is signaling. if you want a precise definition, "a method of conveying information by performing an action that is more likely if the information is true vs false". If you're arguing for gay marriage so that people think you're pro gay marriage rather than to achieve outcomes, then you're signaling. If you're arguing to achieve outcomes, then signaling would be a byproduct.

Afaik almost all evidence that distinguishes between the two shows that the signaling function is most of the story wrt to people's motivations in most contexts.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on March 13, 2019, 08:50:42 am
You're not completely wrong, which is unfortunate, because I do genuinely think that most of what drives most people (in rich societies) most of the time is signaling. if you want a precise definition, "a method of conveying information by performing an action that is more likely if the information is true vs false". If you're arguing for gay marriage so that people think you're pro gay marriage rather than to achieve outcomes, then you're signaling. If you're arguing to achieve outcomes, then signaling would be a byproduct.

Afaik almost all evidence that distinguishes between the two shows that the signaling function is most of the story wrt to people's motivations in most contexts.
It's an interesting distinction that I don't think works completely. A common argument people make for speaking up on issues is "I do not want to create the impression that view XY is considered acceptable on this platform" - i.e., you are using signaling in order to achieve an outcome.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on March 13, 2019, 09:25:56 am
I've always thought if it in terms of intent. If your primary motivation for speaking out against racism is that you want people to see that you aren't a racist, then that's virtue signaling.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: markusin on March 13, 2019, 10:17:26 am
I also think "virtue signaling" is a rather nebulous term because its existence is heavily tied to the use of social media. Like, it's perfectly reasonable to be against racism or accepting of gay marriage, but it's not something you bring up immediately upon starting a conversation. In person, you'll generally want to discuss socio-political views as the topic comes up. But on social media, the social media user often has to "fill the void of silence" themselves, and so they'll want to say things that paint them in a good light. I mean, what else are you going to say if you feel compelled to say something? "80% of human behaviour" sounds about right.

Now, "virtue signaling" as a term probably came up from the other social media users that don't care what people's opinion about stuff is but have to see it in their news feed anyway. Kind of like a collective eye-roll. But I guess it gets more messy when people are banned "for their beliefs" from whatever website.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on March 13, 2019, 10:30:54 am
Now, "virtue signaling" as a term probably came up from the other social media users that don't care what people's opinion about stuff is but have to see it in their news feed anyway. Kind of like a collective eye-roll. But I guess it gets more messy when people are banned "for their beliefs" from whatever website.
Meh, I think that ignores the distinct political agenda behind the term. Personally I find happiness signaling way more obnoxious on social media, yet that is not a thing. Virtue signaling is because it can be used to shut down unwanted opinions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 01:37:16 pm
You're not completely wrong, which is unfortunate, because I do genuinely think that most of what drives most people (in rich societies) most of the time is signaling. if you want a precise definition, "a method of conveying information by performing an action that is more likely if the information is true vs false". If you're arguing for gay marriage so that people think you're pro gay marriage rather than to achieve outcomes, then you're signaling. If you're arguing to achieve outcomes, then signaling would be a byproduct.

Afaik almost all evidence that distinguishes between the two shows that the signaling function is most of the story wrt to people's motivations in most contexts.
It's an interesting distinction that I don't think works completely. A common argument people make for speaking up on issues is "I do not want to create the impression that view XY is considered acceptable on this platform" - i.e., you are using signaling in order to achieve an outcome.

If the stated outcome has signaling in it, I'd still put it in the "stated outcome" box rather than the "signaling" box. But you can't take people at their word. Just because they say they do it to defend an image of their platform doesn't mean that's the real reason.

I agree that the 'virtue' part is buzzword-ish. People can and do signal all kinds of stuff, including intelligence and wealth and happiness which are probably not virtues.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on March 13, 2019, 03:44:25 pm
People can and do signal all kinds of stuff, including wealth which are probably not virtues.

Why do you hate America?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on March 13, 2019, 09:51:42 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

Is Dominion a new Forum Game?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 01:53:26 pm
People can and do signal all kinds of stuff, including wealth which are probably not virtues.

Why do you hate America?

There is no good response!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on March 14, 2019, 02:28:35 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

Is Dominion a new Forum Game?

Actually, Forum (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Forum) is a new(ish) card in Dominion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Cuzz on March 14, 2019, 04:09:46 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

Is Dominion a new Forum Game?

Actually, Forum (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Forum) is a new(ish) card in Dominion.

Spending time here is strictly better than spending time on warehouse.dominionstrategy.com.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 04:25:02 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

Is Dominion a new Forum Game?
It seems a particularly unsuitable game candidate for playing by forum.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on March 14, 2019, 11:21:07 pm
I've spent significantly more time on this forum than I have actually playing Dominion.

Is Dominion a new Forum Game?

Actually, Forum (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Forum) is a new(ish) card in Dominion.

So do they talk about Dominion in there?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on April 02, 2019, 05:53:56 pm
Guys, I want you to admire the sheer awfulness of this video:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2152518584824850

It's an ad for an online game, but I've seen enough complaints from people that I have no desire to download the POS, and I advise that nobody else downloads it either. Just look at this masterful video. What's wrong with it? I think the harder question is what did they do right? Anything? You can mute it. Listening to the audio does not improve the video any, nor does it make the video worse, despite it sounding like a 10-year-old girl punching a stuffed animal.

But let's examine the story here. This woman, whose name is apparently Riffarff, is wrongfully imprisoned for having a fully articulated right ankle. She uses this ankle to her advantage and swivels it around to gain the proper leverage to punch a concrete wall but to no avail.

Then MacGyver walks by and gives her this experimental super-serum in a Coke bottle. This wonder drug causes her to grow a few inches, change her name from Riffarff to Riffraff, and perform a wonder punch that makes the wall bleed gold coins.

This is just the windfall the previously named Riffarff needed, and now she is the queen of her domain, which is only that tiny cell since she still is incapable of punching our metal bars.

The end.

Man, can't wait for the sequel here.


Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on April 19, 2019, 06:39:18 pm
I was just playing a game of dominion, suspecting nothing...

Then my opponent played Black market and suddenly POSSESSION STARED AT ME. I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS POSSIBLE.

and I felt the horror slowly creeping up as they were playing their treasures one by one, getting over 6$, and then... then they played their potion...

... and then...

... they put it back and bought a philosopher's stone instead because they didn't like the card either. Possession actually would have been strong, too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on April 21, 2019, 09:20:01 pm
I very nearly played a game recently which included both Possession and Procession. It would have gotten confusing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 01, 2019, 09:23:16 am
When I reach 60 years old, I hope technology has not surpassed me to the point where I have to ask a complete stranger how to start my car.

I parked my car last night and was flagged down by a neighbor. He's 60 years old and been driving the same pickup truck for a while. That got rear-ended, and he came back with a rental, a new Nissan Sentra. And he could not figure out how to start the car with keyless ignition. I was able to show him that. Then he needed to figure out how to open the gas tank. Admittedly, I had a hard time finding that, but I guess another difference between his life experiences and mine is that I quickly concluded that I could find out with a Google search. Once he realized that most of his car questions could likely be solved with Google, he felt better, but that just wasn't the first thing he thought of.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on May 01, 2019, 09:35:49 am
When I reach 60 years old, I hope technology has not surpassed me to the point where I have to ask a complete stranger how to start my car.

I parked my car last night and was flagged down by a neighbor. He's 60 years old and been driving the same pickup truck for a while. That got rear-ended, and he came back with a rental, a new Nissan Sentra. And he could not figure out how to start the car with keyless ignition. I was able to show him that. Then he needed to figure out how to open the gas tank. Admittedly, I had a hard time finding that, but I guess another difference between his life experiences and mine is that I quickly concluded that I could find out with a Google search. Once he realized that most of his car questions could likely be solved with Google, he felt better, but that just wasn't the first thing he thought of.

They could also be solved by RTFM.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on May 02, 2019, 05:21:39 am
They could also be solved by RTFM.

I was on a work trip in Germany with a French colleague a couple of years ago. We needed to check up on something about the car we'd hired, so I, as the passenger, tried to RTFM... and it was entirely in Czech.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on May 02, 2019, 05:50:00 am
They could also be solved by RTFM.

I was on a work trip in Germany with a French colleague a couple of years ago. We needed to check up on something about the car we'd hired, so I, as the passenger, tried to RTFM... and it was entirely in Czech.
Now I understand what inspired you to learn Czech!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: SpaceAnemone on May 02, 2019, 06:40:26 am
They could also be solved by RTFM.

I was on a work trip in Germany with a French colleague a couple of years ago. We needed to check up on something about the car we'd hired, so I, as the passenger, tried to RTFM... and it was entirely in Czech.
Now I understand what inspired you to learn Czech!

Haha :-) It's definitely true that without knowing the Czechs who actually inspired me to learn, I probably wouldn't have been able to identify the handbook's language as Czech in particular.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 02, 2019, 08:16:56 am
This guy certainly could've benefited from RTFM. That's also assuming that the rental included the manual. I've had a rental without one. Most likely this guy was accustomed to cars starting a certain way and was flummoxed by the lack of key. It would've been helpful if the rental car agency showed him how to start the car. I imagine the agent simply brought the car out and left it running, which is why the guy didn't know how to start it.

But there does seem to be a trend to move away from manuals as a default. Maybe we're just getting better at teaching people how to use technology and making interfaces intuitive. For example, when I played a video game in the '80s, I would read the manual first to make sure I understood all my capabilities. Nowadays, games tend to ease players into the instructions. Manuals are mostly used for reference and not instructions.

And actually the keyless ignition follows that trend as well. Sure, he could've read it the manual, but I noticed the dashboard showing those exact instructions to press on the brake and push the button. I'm not sure why he ignored it. Maybe it was a fear of screwing something up, so he didn't want to attempt it. Maybe it's the combination of brake and button that baffled him because those two don't normally go together. No idea. He didn't RTFM, but he could've RTFD.

I just hope I don't feel that helpless at 60.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 08, 2019, 01:25:03 pm
Thanks to Facebook memories, I am reminded of a rather heated exchange I had with a friend who turned out to be a toxic narcissist. It was such a stupid argument, but I'm reminded of just how self-centered people can be.

The topic was simply me letting others know that wishing a stranger a happy Mother's Day may be insensitive since you don't know if she's barren or lost a child. That could be a painful thing to say to her. Even if the woman has a child with her, that might still be painful, though statistically, you're probably safe wishing her a happy Mother's Day if there's a child with her.

And this guy went off the rails griping that I want to stifle free speech and that people get so easily offended and how other people's feelings are more important than his freedom to be nice to people.

I was tempted to delete that conversation because of how ridiculous it got, but I like to keep as a reminder to stay away from other people's bullshit.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 12, 2019, 03:47:42 pm
I can't stop playing around with GPT-2. Just look at this! Prompt in Bold.

Delphi it drew us
Over the touchscreen
Delphi it threw us
Up like a stone
In sheep's clothing
Instrumental
- it threw us
Delphi on its screen:
There you go! Delphi it let's you rock
Delphi it threw us up
The song was about a big rock I love the sound of that! I've been listening to it for a long time and I have to say that I really like it.
Till I heard about Delphi music I kept my ears very close because I thought it was all very technical. Well here it is!!  As of this writing there are 7 songs recorded by Delphi that you can download now which are available for FREE on my website www.the-music-artist.eu.
We have been playing about with this CD and we came to the conclusion that Delphi had gone too far. At this point we needed a song to go together with Delphi's music so, as you are aware, I had been working on it!
Delphi's Themes
What we are trying to create with this album is a collection of themes and a few themes of our


if you ever get bored, enter some lyrics here (https://talktotransformer.com/) and let GPT-2 write dozens of different endings. It's so fascinating.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 14, 2019, 11:41:21 am
That e-mail was not high priority. Stop abusing the priority system.

#emailfoul
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: GendoIkari on May 14, 2019, 02:20:43 pm
lol wut...


Um, hello?

I'm a cat who sleeps with my name on the front — and can get away with it.

In 2011, when I was 19, I was in the hospital and received a brain injury. I was wearing a full face mask, though, and I also had a collar. My new collar gave a warning: "Don't go near me." I was scared. It wasn't a scary situation for me, but not much of a situation for the people in the emergency room. So, I felt pretty bad about it. I thought, what about this little cat? This was going to ruin my life. How could the cat get away with wearing my name on the front of a hat? So I went to the hospital, put my hat on and took some pictures of the front-facing cat. It was kind of a funny little photo that didn't do much—I was pretty sure about what I was doing.

There didn't happen to be any cats on the front of the hat. Just cats inside of the hospital—I was right! Cat in the hospital.

I have a cat
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on May 14, 2019, 09:38:54 pm
Does anybody know whether synesthesia is more common among certain cultures? I thought it was a pretty rare thing, and a google search says about 4% of people experience synesthesia. However, I was with a group of friends today, and somebody mentioned something about their synesthesia and it seemed like half the room broke into a heated argument about what color and texture the letter K is. Definitely more than 4% of the room, anyway. It generally doesn't come up in conversation, either, so I don't know anything about how many of my other friends are synesthetes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: pacovf on May 15, 2019, 12:32:19 am
Are they artsy people? I think there’s a difference between having synesthesia (e.g. the word “banana” always appears to be written in blue, even when it isn’t), and talking about what sort of feelings something evokes (which is something you can talk about after you spend some time thinking about it).

Like, just because some music-inclined person says a given chord is “warm” doesn’t mean they feel the temperature rise when they hear that chord. It’s just shorthand for the emotional effect of that chord on them.

Or at least that’s my interpretation of my interactions with artistically inclined people. They often use synesthetic language, even if they aren’t synesthetic themselves in a more strict sense. Of course, I wasn’t sitting at that table with you, so I don’t know if my interpretation applies there.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 05:38:05 am
Like, just because some music-inclined person says a given chord is “warm” doesn’t mean they feel the temperature rise when they hear that chord. It’s just shorthand for the emotional effect of that chord on them.

Moreover, "warm" has an agreed-upon meaning of a sound with a lot of low end or low mids but not a lot of high end (i.e. the opposite of bright). A synesthete doesn't necessarily experience things in that way.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 05:47:44 am
I am researching how to apply for a US visa right now... The example visa application (https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/DS-160_Example.pdf) that the US government provides is both cute and somewhat embarrassing:

(https://i.imgur.com/wBSJ4MX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2APdhPb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7rXG1Wr.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on May 15, 2019, 09:46:33 am
Puzzle foul. Solving the puzzle was a lot harder until I realized that they consider 1 to be a prime number. I felt vindicated in my inability to figure out what the solution was, but that was replaced by nerdrage.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 15, 2019, 09:38:51 pm
I am researching how to apply for a US visa right now... The example visa application (https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/DS-160_Example.pdf) that the US government provides is both cute and somewhat embarrassing:

(https://i.imgur.com/wBSJ4MX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2APdhPb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7rXG1Wr.png)

There's a typo. Should be Spouse/Cousin.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Cuzz on May 15, 2019, 10:17:19 pm
I am researching how to apply for a US visa right now... The example visa application (https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/PDF-other/DS-160_Example.pdf) that the US government provides is both cute and somewhat embarrassing:

(https://i.imgur.com/wBSJ4MX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/2APdhPb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7rXG1Wr.png)

There's a typo. Should be Spouse/Cousin.

Spouse/Aunt
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on May 15, 2019, 11:20:57 pm
Good point.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 19, 2019, 10:37:49 am
(https://s18.directupload.net/images/190519/42vjfzk2.png)

 :'(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on May 19, 2019, 11:26:27 am
Here in New England,

April showers bring May flowers showers, which bring more rain in June and thunderstorms in July.

I wish we could give some of this rain to places which don't get enough. We don't need it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: silverspawn on May 19, 2019, 11:32:21 am
Right now it's raining here, also.

But I love rain (at least when I'm inside) so as far as I'm concerned, it can keep going for as long as it wants.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on May 19, 2019, 11:40:51 am
I like rain too; the noise is somewhat calming. But I feel like there is such a thing as too much. Maybe my opinion would change if rain didn't necessarily mean grey skies; I feel like I haven't seen the sun in weeks except for yesterday.