Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: crj on November 16, 2017, 01:23:05 pm
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I see what the Changeling card says, and its intent is pretty clear.
However, the rulebook (which, by my understanding, takes precedence over the card text even if it's directly contradictory) says:
you cannot do it if the cost is neither more or less than $3
Um! Er. While the intent of that is also pretty clear, it doesn't say what it means. A card costing exactly $3 has a cost that is neither more or less than $3 and the rules therefore say you can't exchange such a card on gain for a Changeling. /-8
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I've always thought that it was Donald > Card Text > Rulebook. Donald always tries interpreting rules confusion by looking at what the card says, not the rulebook.
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I see what the Changeling card says, and its intent is pretty clear.
However, the rulebook (which, by my understanding, takes precedence over the card text even if it's directly contradictory) says:
you cannot do it if the cost is neither more or less than $3
Um! Er. While the intent of that is also pretty clear, it doesn't say what it means. A card costing exactly $3 has a cost that is neither more or less than $3 and the rules therefore say you can't exchange such a card on gain for a Changeling. /-8
Thanks, as always we will try to fix these things for future printings.
You can exchange a $3 for Changeling.
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The intent seems to be something closer to "You can't exchange for something whose cost cannot be directly compared with $3, such as Transmute (which costs a Potion) or Royal Blacksmith (which costs 8D)."
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What about:
Alchemist, Golem, Familiar: $3+P is more than $3
Fortune: $8+8D is more than $3
Search me why you would want a changeling instead, but hey, edge cases abound.
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What about them? They cost more than $3, so there's no rules issue and you can definitely have a Changeling instead.
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The intent seems to be something closer to "You can't exchange for something whose cost cannot be directly compared with $3, such as Transmute (which costs a Potion) or Royal Blacksmith (which costs 8D)."
I would go with: "A card with [P] or [D] in its cost doesn't cost $3 or more."
Doh, completely wrong, as pointed out by ThetaSigma12.
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The intent seems to be something closer to "You can't exchange for something whose cost cannot be directly compared with $3, such as Transmute (which costs a Potion) or Royal Blacksmith (which costs 8D)."
I would go with: "A card with [P] or [D] in its cost doesn't cost $3 or more."
Doesn't something costing (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png)(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png) cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png) or more?
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"Cards only cost $3 or more if their cost includes at least 3 coins. Neither a potion cost nor any amount of debt cost makes a card cost $3 or more."
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Here's how I've actually expressed it in my rules document (which I should have checked):
A card costing “(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png) or more” must have a (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Coin.png/16px-Coin.png) amount of 3 or more in its cost. The (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png) and (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/8/81/Debt.png/18px-Debt.png) amounts don’t matter.
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Search me why you would want a changeling instead, but hey, edge cases abound.
curse pile is empty and opponent's swindler hits your familiar....
sorry
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Search me why you would want a changeling instead, but hey, edge cases abound.
curse pile is empty and opponent's swindler hits your familiar....
sorry
You mean curse pile is empty and opponent's swindler hits your 3P card and gives you a familiar (a bit more to the point)