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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: schadd on November 05, 2017, 12:20:49 pm
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welcome to NM11: anagram mafia
11-toe men, a manic gramma: low af.
this game will use new newbie setup v2, a semi-open setup for 9 players that some folks on mafiascum are proposing as the new newbie setup.
mod: d&d cash
tags: stag
i, a gun, i, a gnu. aa.; er, rando run 1776; 1 keg, 3 rig; e?; rash keys; sifted wart, NW
players yes, LARP
1. SirClemens / slime CERNs
2. faust / u fast
3. DatSwan / TanWads
4. Seprix / rip sex
5. Witherweaver / i did him already
6. stevanzzo / vast zonez
7. Awaclus / a suc law
8. Xxraptorslayer96 / yes, LARP tax. xor 69 r.
9. Skumpy / musky p
The Rules: ruth s. lee
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, aquamarine text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
Deadlines:
7-day Days, 2-day Nights
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setup upset
(https://i.imgur.com/WSZfmGv.png)
i choose between A, B, and C and between 1, 2 and 3. ABC chooses which power role mafia has (between roleblocker, rolecop, and just a goon) and 123 chooses which power role(s) town has (depends on ABC). and then add 1 mafia goon and 5 vanilla townies.
mafia may communicate at any time, and cannot kill and use a secondary action while both are alive.
below are the role PMs: these are what i will tell each role at the beginning of the game. these are useful if you want to learn what any of the roles do.
vanilla townie (VT) / TV
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a vanilla townie! this means you are aligned with the town, but don't have anything fun to do during the night. you can still vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
town cop / pow! (cont.)
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a town cop! you are aligned with the town, and each night you can target one player to have me tell you whether they are a member of town or mafia, unless you are roleblocked, in which case i say "no result". nothing can cause me to tell you a mafia member is town or vice versa. you can also vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
town doctor / crown to dot
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a town doctor! you are aligned with the town, and each night you can target one player other than yourself; if the mafia target that person to kill them, the kill will fail and no one will die! you can also vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
town jailkeeper / jake, pee in tower
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a town jailkeeper! you are aligned with the town, and your role is a combination of the "doctor" and "roleblocker" roles: each night, you may target someone other than yourself; if the mafia target that person to kill them, the kill will fail and no one will die. additionally, if they attempt to use a night action (including a kill if they are a mafia member) that action will fail. you can also vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
town tracker / 'crat won. rekt.
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a town tracker! you are aligned with the town, and each night, you can target one player to learn who they successfully targeted with some night action (though i don't tell you exactly what night action they used). if they didn't use a night action, i will say "[player] didn't target anyone." if you were roleblocked, i will say "no result." you can also vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
town neapolitan / low pain. a ton. ten.
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a town neapolitan! you are aligned with the town, and each night you can target one player to have me tell you whether or not they are a vanilla townie, unless you are roleblocked, in which case i say "no result". nothing can cause me to tell you a mafia member is town or vice versa. you can also vote and talk during the day.
you win when all mafia members are eliminated.
mafia goon / goof mania
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a mafia goon! you are aligned with the mafia, along with [player name], a [role name]. the two of you may talk at any time, in [qt link]. additionally, each night, one of you may kill a member of the town. you can also vote and talk in the game thread during the day.
you win when mafia makes up at least half of the people alive during a day phase, or when town cannot prevent that from happening.
mafia rolecop / i am eFool. crap
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a mafia rolecop! you are aligned with the mafia, along with [player name], a [role name]. the two of you may talk at any time, in [qt link]. additionally, each night:
-you may choose one player to have me tell you what role PM they received.
-either of the two of you may kill a member of the town. you may not use this and the rolecop ability while [partner] is alive.
you can also vote and talk in the game thread during the day.
you win when mafia makes up at least half of the people alive during a day phase, or when town cannot prevent that from happening.
mafia roleblocker / cram bloke or life
welcome to NM11: anagram mafia! you are a mafia roleblocker! you are aligned with the mafia, along with [player name], a [role name]. the two of you may talk at any time, in [qt link]. additionally, each night:
-you may choose one player; any night action that player uses will fail.
-either of the two of you may kill a member of the town. you may not use this and the roleblock ability while [partner] is alive.
you can also vote and talk in the game thread during the day.
you win when mafia makes up at least half of the people alive during a day phase, or when town cannot prevent that from happening.
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this is a newbie game, and as such the slots in the game are sort of reserved for people who are new or returning from a rather long hiatus (i'm sort of thinking, your first game (or first game in a while) was M100 or afterward) and looking for a simple game to learn/improve the simpler aspects of mafia.
in specific i'm sort of subtweeting datswan, xxraptor, skumpy, puk, maybe luckat and cheesyjelly? if they're still around? as the newbies. also TWM said he would, like, only be able to play this game.
after a while where everyone in this caste has had the opportunity to join or say "nah i'm good" the signups open up to the rest of the Playerbase At Large. and like in general i'm sure u guys will be able to figure out who is higher on the newbie game totem pole and cede slots thusly.
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I am mildly upset that schadd's taken a monopoly on f.ds anagrams.
The callout is quite kind, but I'm sticking to a strict limit of 1 game at a time. I can /gat for now though
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I’m tempted to /in, but if this game lasts until January I cannot join.
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I'll play
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/in
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I’m tempted to /in, but if this game lasts until January I cannot join.
Really that all depends on when it starts
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Anagram mafia: Arg, I am a fan, ma.
Role PM's to come: Select poor mom.
This is a newbie game: I see a mini-Beth. Swag.
I'm mildly upset: Pale dummy is lit.
I'm tempted to /in: Met Tim in depot.
Really that all depends: Y'all had red eel-plants.
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/ni
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i don't really want to sign up but almost do just to ruin schadds anagram theme
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i agree with you that i probably want my anagrams to be difficult to do for some reason
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/ni
Witherweaver: Write: Her, Wave.
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if this starts no earlier than on 16th of November, I am /in.
allight
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if this starts no earlier than on 16th of November, I am /in.
allight
Hill Tag?
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if this starts no earlier than on 16th of November, I am /in.
allight
Hill Tag?
nice! I was thinking for quite a while, but better than Allight or Gall Hit never came
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/tag
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i don't really want to sign up but almost do just to ruin schadds anagram theme
O = )(
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Last / Ago.
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I don't really want to: Wait! Only otter land?
I agree with you: I grew you the AI.
If this starts no earlier: If the rain or lasers sit...
Nice! I was thinking: I win this cake 'n' gin.
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i tried to anagram my username and now I feel p bad for tagging
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i tried to anagram my username and now I feel p bad for tagging
Anagram: iguanaiguana
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iigguuaannaa!
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Guys, D!
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/tag
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/tag
17 ran, 76 rounder.
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/tag
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i tried to anagram my username and now I feel p bad for tagging
All I got was Guiana iguana
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/in if you can't get enough actual newbies
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also note: setup pending change (not the selection method, but the specific roles) after people on MS ramble to each other about stuff
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/tag. Good luck.
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/tag. Good luck.
Euler's Number: Ensure Lumber
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lunes: rum, beer
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...128.7.8.2
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Actually, /tag, but I don't want a speccy or anything.
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5.9.78
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Actually, /tag, but I don't want a speccy or anything.
y, sudg'?
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Last / Ago.
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U to/
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(https://www.periscope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/03145449/01_news_storyimage_OOH1.jpg)
/in
I am ready to play.
Aria, moldy type.
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/tag
A, STFU!
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/in assuming the slots won't fill up from newbies.
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Going to need to /out. Sorry.
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
Finding scum or killing town, depending.
It's newbie friendly because it's a simple to understand setup. The anagrams are all flavor and just for fun.
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
Finding scum or killing town, depending.
It's newbie friendly because it's a simple to understand setup. The anagrams are all flavor and just for fun.
I’m just a simple Coppersmith, so I’m still not getting anything, but that’s fine. Enjoy your game! :)
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http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
Finding scum or killing town, depending.
It's newbie friendly because it's a simple to understand setup. The anagrams are all flavor and just for fun.
I’m just a simple Coppersmith, so I’m still not getting anything, but that’s fine. Enjoy your game! :)
It's a social deduction game. Basically, there's an informed minority (mafia) vs. an uninformed majority (town). Each night, mafia kills a member of town that they secretly choose, and then the night ends and a new day phase begins. Each day, all the players who are still alive in the game can talk in the thread, try to figure out who the mafia are, and vote for someone to get lynched until someone has a simple majority of people voting for him at which point he dies, his role is revealed to everyone and a new night phase begins. This process is repeated until the entire mafia is dead (town wins) or the entire town is dead (mafia wins).
There are also power roles that do something special. For example, a Cop is a town player who can investigate someone during the night, and then the Cop is told the alignment of that person, and a Doctor is a town player who can protect someone during the night and then if the mafia try to kill the same player, the kill fails. Most people don't have any special powers.
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
Finding scum or killing town, depending.
It's newbie friendly because it's a simple to understand setup. The anagrams are all flavor and just for fun.
I’m just a simple Coppersmith, so I’m still not getting anything, but that’s fine. Enjoy your game! :)
It's a social deduction game. Basically, there's an informed minority (mafia) vs. an uninformed majority (town). Each night, mafia kills a member of town that they secretly choose, and then the night ends and a new day phase begins. Each day, all the players who are still alive in the game can talk in the thread, try to figure out who the mafia are, and vote for someone to get lynched until someone has a simple majority of people voting for him at which point he dies, his role is revealed to everyone and a new night phase begins. This process is repeated until the entire mafia is dead (town wins) or the entire town is dead (mafia wins).
There are also power roles that do something special. For example, a Cop is a town player who can investigate someone during the night, and then the Cop is told the alignment of that person, and a Doctor is a town player who can protect someone during the night and then if the mafia try to kill the same player, the kill fails. Most people don't have any special powers.
Thanks a lot, that explanation was even better than the linked thread! Sounds cool. I’d love to join, but I know that I don’t have the time for it right now. Maybe later! Happy gaming, everyone!
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Awaclus being helpful means he's scum for sure.
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Awaclus being helpful means he's scum for sure.
This is how I always play as both alignments.
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consider this open to everyone now.
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/in assuming the slots won't fill up from newbies.
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Poor schadd.
Do drop cash.
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/in assuming the slots won't fill up from newbies.
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/reserve a spot for a friend and /tag
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Tag
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Maybe I’m just dumb, but what are you actually supposed to be doing in this game? The rules doesn’t say. How can this be newbie friendly?
I had the same problem too! (when I first tried to figure out what the hell mafia was) You'd think they'd write somewhere in the opening post what the game is actually about! but no! Only weird civility stuff!
Utterly confused I googled mafia and read some parts of games and eventually got an idea. You have already proven to be smarter than me by just asking instead of going through the trouble.
As for the question, Awaclus' explanation is solid.
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so that makes it like full once andrew's person shows their face.
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/out, computer problems so can't commit to this
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Gonna try to get him to sign up today. If he doesn't then go ahead and sign up whoever.
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/in
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^
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/in but I'll be phone posts only til Saturday.
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i'll either start this in like an hour or at like midnight
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Tag
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Tag
Oh wait, I already did that
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/in
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/in
Jk I was beat, /tag
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meh you oughtta have a slot over someone else. soory i'm gonna bump joseph off since he's (technically last) unless someone else comes in and volunteers in the next uh 59 minutes
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I know I said I would only do 1 game at a time. But since 110's nearing its end and this took longer to fill than I expected and since I was called out in the first place...
(if I'm allowed to)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUeQGm6B8yQ)
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ight bumping faust too then (since i reckon andrew would want to play with his friendo)
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role PMs out momentarily. i'm also gonna (loud exhale) put them in the OP
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o wait andrew isn't in
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I believe XXR wants in too.
I can text him if you want.
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something to note: we conduct all our business that happens outside of this thread in quicktopic, which is a website that lets forum topics like the ones here be made that can only be found via link. everyone is asked to make an account in quicktopic so that they can post in these.
everyone receives one, and the mafia have an additional one between them where they talk.
for town PRs: to use your abilities, make some bolded indication as to who you want to target, after the night phase starts. for example, a doctor would say heal: schadd or protect: schadd or target: schadd, etc. any of those is fine long's i know what you're getting at.
for mafia folks: all the night actions happen in the shared thread, and either member can declare them. they would be in the same form, with the exception that you gotta say who does what. for example, on a team where i'm a roleblocker and my mom is a goon, it would go like:
schadd blocks our neighbor two houses down
schadd's mom kills the guy that lives across the street and keeps trying to recommend his weird online university to us
for VTs: you can still post in the QT at any time to e.g. keep track of thoughts even though there isn't any crucial game stuff that happens in it. anyone can do this, as well.
related rules of note: don't quote anything that happens in a QT verbatim. like you can say "it tells me i'm a VT and also schadd give some pretty compromising details about his love interests" but you can't copy the exact wording of the VT thing (i know it's public anyway but rules are rules) and you can't specify which member(s?) of my improv team i am head over heels for. et cetera.
don't talk about NM11: anagrams in any other medium than your QT or this thread, when it is unlocked.
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I believe XXR wants in too.
I can text him if you want.
he is in fact in! you can still text him but at present it is illegal to discuss NM11 in that SMS.
thread locked. PMs heading out. N0 starts now and ends midday friday if everyone has confirmed. no actions are used N0, but the mafia members can speak to each other, y'all can ask me questions in your QTs, et cetera.
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i just sent everyone a PM with the subject NM11 PM so that you know it's a pm and not some other thing that happens to be in your PMs area. which can incidentally be found in "my messages [1]" toward the top of the page.
it contains a quicktopic link, which contains your magnificent thread that u have all to urself. i want everyone to post your role title in your respective threads.
another thing for stevanzzo to note is that it will ask you for a captcha each time you post unless you have a post somewhere outside of forum games. so find some thread that seems like it would mind being disturbed and give it a friendly greeting.
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oh and you bold things in quicktopic by <b>encasing the text with these tags</b>
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oh twm outed and i missed it. so faust is back in
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soory i meant for it to start tomoorow. but miscalculated what day comes two days after wednesday.
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let the games begin! meals get the big en!
Vote count 1.0
not voting (9): SirClemens, faust, DatSwan, Seprix, Witherweaver, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time. thread unlocked, u are all free to discuss whatever!
mod notes
- my habit is to do most individual correspondences with players in the game thread (such as answering public questions) by editing your posts. so don't be sp00ked if you see some aquamarine bolded text pop up in your post that you definitely didn't put in yourself. i also take an inventory of all of these edits in each vote count. except this one. because there weren't any posts before it.
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Hello all!
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Vote: Seprix
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Vote: Seprix
Export: Vise
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Hello everyone!
Due to university, expect my posts during weekdays to come between 12 am to 4 pm forum time. Maybe I will be able to make posts between classes.
Looking forward to my first mafia game!
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That was my first phone post vote ever. I forgot it wouldnt bold automatically. And now its ruined and I need a new one
Sweat: Van Dot
blegh. but i guess this is fine since nobody's usernames are uh isomorphic
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Hello everyone!
Due to university, expect my posts during weekdays to come between 12 am to 4 pm forum time. Maybe I will be able to make posts between classes.
Looking forward to my first mafia game!
I have found that during university class is the best time to play Mafia.
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Hello everyone!
Due to university, expect my posts during weekdays to come between 12 am to 4 pm forum time. Maybe I will be able to make posts between classes.
Looking forward to my first mafia game!
Hello! Hope you enjoy and don't ruin your life like me!
To expand: its tough to post during class, but its very easy to read old posts and plan during class.
Ppe: I half agree
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Vote: Faust because he's been scum in every newbie game I've played with him.
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Or should I say
U: Fat Stove
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Hey everyone!
I HIT RAVES
i shit, vera?
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I don’t understand anograms. Also Dama. I hate RVS.
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I don’t understand anograms. Also Dama. I hate RVS.
Who is scum?
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One STD. Just one.
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That was my first phone post vote ever. I forgot it wouldnt bold automatically. And now its ruined and I need a new one
Sweat: Van Dot
blegh. but i guess this is fine since nobody's usernames are uh isomorphic
Sorry, that's on you. How else do you suggest we follow the flavor? But more important moments will feature normal spellings. Probably ;)
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I will never use anagrams in serious moments to increase clarity in order to best help town a la Awaclus.
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It's obvious, isn't it?
vote: schadd
to vote people: use bold - the big b at the upper left of the formatting stuff or
[b]vote: schadd[/b]
also i'm not a player! but that may have been intentional
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Also, most my posts will be 8pm or later.
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Seprix!
And hello new guys. Want to tell us a bit about yourselves? We're always interested in prior mafia experiences and the like.
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My name is Swan!
I like long walks on the beach and catching skum :P
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Oh and vote: Skumpy
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And hello new guys. Want to tell us a bit about yourselves? We're always interested in prior mafia experiences and the like.
No experiences other than reading a few threads here.
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My name is Swan!
I like long walks on the beach and catching skum :P
Also those who don’t know, swan and I are ‘twin claim’ -
All it means is we know each other irl, not real twins.
I’m not sure how/if this impacts my reads on him in the game.
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My name is Swan!
I like long walks on the beach and catching skum :P
Also those who don’t know, swan and I are ‘twin claim’ -
All it means is we know each other irl, not real twins.
I’m not sure how/if this impacts my reads on him in the game.
This means you know him more than anyone else.. and vice versa. It could be an interesting dynamic.
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My name is Swan!
I like long walks on the beach and catching skum :P
Also those who don’t know, swan and I are ‘twin claim’ -
All it means is we know each other irl, not real twins.
I’m not sure how/if this impacts my reads on him in the game.
Is this the first game you've played?
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My name is Swan!
I like long walks on the beach and catching skum :P
Also those who don’t know, swan and I are ‘twin claim’ -
All it means is we know each other irl, not real twins.
I’m not sure how/if this impacts my reads on him in the game.
Is this the first game you've played?
No, this is the third.
I’ve played in M105 and M110
Both w/swan
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vote: skumpy for not already submitting a post about breaking the set up. Dude its been like 2 days.
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weather is nice here in Cali....
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weather is nice here in Cali....
It’s a bit chilly out..
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OK so I am trying super hard to break the set up and I am coming up blank.
Best possible thing I can think of I hate still - which is NEO claim. If we have a NEO we have a 50% chance of a doctor to proc them, and we can narrow Skum down to 2 potential roles. But even then, I don't think the 33% chance that we come back no NEO (helps skum more than town) combined with the 50% chance that if we have a doc with a neo really is worth stating out loud given the upside is all we do is narrow the skum PRs down to a 50-50 of Cop or Blocker.
I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
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I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
Any idea how to move this game forward? I agree with you that a NEO claim would be bad, any claim would be bad this early in the game.
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vote: skumpy for not already submitting a post about breaking the set up. Dude its been like 2 days.
Thanks for the reminder. PR's should definitely claim here, that'll make for an easy win.
But I didn't read the setup too closely. What I saw in my glancethrough was: potentially 2 roles, they know a little more about what other town roles are and are not in play, and can guess the scum role better. Not much else to say. Tough for scum to fakeclaim right now, not that that's going to factor into anything because claiming accomplishes nothing.
I had that written, then I started reading back Swan's post: a neo claiming narrows us down to A1 and B3. A1 sucks: scum kills neopolitan or even just roleblocks them. B3 is more interesting: scum can't roleblock neo and can't risk killing them because of the doctor. Is a 50/50 shot worth the risk it at this point? I'd say no. Doctor defense would be good to have, but no non-doctors have a better-than-50% chance of having a doctor with 'em. Best odds are for Neo.
TL:DR Don't claim. Not needed, not worth it.
I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
OK. Don't vote me. And you spelled phreeking wrong.
Long day, I'm tired now.
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I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
Any idea how to move this game forward? I agree with you that a NEO claim would be bad, any claim would be bad this early in the game.
Well you could tell us who you think is scum.
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Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
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I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
Any idea how to move this game forward? I agree with you that a NEO claim would be bad, any claim would be bad this early in the game.
Well you could tell us who you think is scum.
Most players haven‘t done anything that indicates their alignment. DatSwan seems towny, not sure what to make of Skumpy‘s last post.
Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
I guess I will sheep Vote: Skumpy
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Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
Wait, I know you are a really good player, but how can so few posts make you sure he is scum?
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Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
The term is skum, thank you very much.
Vote: faust
My first OMGUS! I always wanted one!
Luck's not going to make you town my first 3 games. And you know better than to lynch me based on opening posts.
And in the still-pretty-good-chance you're town:
1) It's a newbie game. It's a very different feel thusly far
2) I /inned on a /whim, not really expecting I'd be playing before that. I really wish I had kicked you out now.
3) I'm much further along in another game, I now understand what was meant by 'tough to pay attention to new games'
4) I'm more experienced and more relaxed, but that probably has more to do with the fact that I don't fear everybody as much as I would in M games.
5) I haven't had much time for anything. Period.
6) The flavor's fun. 110 is absolute garbage, I don't even really listen to Led Zeppelin anymore (still like/appreciate them though!)
PPE: Make of it that I was really really tired and wanted to go bed and now I'm sad I have to post more.
Sheeping and putting me at 2 votes from being lynched after 2 days is not a good look btw. It'll be even worse if I flip.
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Town points for Skumpy and faust for getting this game going, I still like my vote on Skumpy.
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Luck's not going to make you town my first 3 games. And you know better than to lynch me based on opening posts.
Anyone abusing probablity like this derserves to be policy lynched anyway.
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Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
Wait, I know you are a really good player, but how can so few posts make you sure he is scum?
Here's how this works:
Any post that you make will slide you mildly towards being town or being scum in my head. Some will barely do anything, but still a tiny bit. So, after a lot of posts, usually I have a decent idea about alignment. (Of course sometimes I get conflicting reads and am still unsure, and sometimes I misread people.)
Now we don't have a lot of posts, yes. But the posts we do have still put everyone in a camp of either tentatively town or tentatively scum. Thus, once everyone posted a few things, someone will end up the scummiest, even though compared to late-game reads it's still not going off much.
So, am I sure Skumpy is scum? Well, no. But he is the scummiest of the bunch of you, and so I am going to push his lynch. Since you need to create activity and discussion, it does not actually matter how strong your read is, you should push for some lynch, defend someone, or else do stuff that other people can agree or disagree with as this gets the game moving. This is why I usually push hard, no matter how much evidence there actually is.
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That was quite insightful.
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it does not actually matter how strong your read is
It also doesn't matter whether your read is genuine or fake, I might add.
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
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Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
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Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
We could vote you instead.
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Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
We could vote you instead.
Yes you could. But could you tell me how it would be helpful for town?
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Vote count 1.1
Seprix (1): Awaclus
faust (1): Skumpy
Skumpy (4): faust, DatSwan, SirClemens, Witherweaver
not voting (3): Seprix, stevanzzo, Xxraptorslayer96
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time
mod notes
mod quotes
That was my first phone post vote ever. I forgot it wouldnt bold automatically. And now its ruined and I need a new one
Sweat: Van Dot
blegh. but i guess this is fine since nobody's usernames are uh isomorphic
Hey everyone!
I HIT RAVES
i shit, vera?
It's obvious, isn't it?
vote: schadd
to vote people: use bold - the big b at the upper left of the formatting stuff or
[b]vote: schadd[/b]
also i'm not a player! but that may have been intentional
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
Nice to meet you too! :)
Turns out L-1 isn't fun. Who'dda thunk? Surprisingly, I'm actually feeling ambivalent towards my impending death because I won't have much time the next couple weeks, by which point the game will basically be over. Also, since I've now gone my first 7 days without getting lynched, I figure some people here get sick of my confident act and wanna teach yours upstart punk truly a lesson in humility. I'd like to live, but I get it. All streaks of good fortune must come to end. Unto the place from whence the rivers come thither they return again.
@faust: Great. Mission accomplished. Then I get derphammered shortly. Mission unaccomplished.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
We could vote you instead.
Yes you could. But could you tell me how it would be helpful for town?
I like the self-confidence! Not because it makes me feel better about you being townie, but it's quite refreshing! Congrats on the personal growth!
A lot less strange: I've posted like 3 times. All of which were either when I was in the middle of class or were about to fall asleep and wanted to deliriously post to be active. I would call this my most-normal-state-of-mind posting time yet. However you choose to define normal for me.
On my wagon o'fun: I'd like to say there's scum off it letting town do the work for 'em, though I'm leaning town on Raptor for the first time in like ever. I'm definitely acutely aware of faust, the pro-townie stuff I can testify from experience is nectar to newbie ants who trust the guidance. For SirClemens, my suspicions are on the rise. I'm townie, but you're still good to leave a vote on me? I also read a few threads before I started (well, a lot), I got a good enough idea from that so that I didn't feel totally in the dark. This feels a bit overacted. Nothing yet for DatSwan. Giving him time as always. Nothing for WW because I have no idea what the meta is there. L-1ing this early from an experienced player I wouldn't think would be scumsigns. End of day, Raptor towniest right now (say whaaaat?!?!). See you all tomorrow. Or not. Who knows. I'm in a hurry right now, don't have time to factcheck my work, going off memory.
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Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
I believe there is scum on the wagon
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He’s back at L-1
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
The more important question is: can Skumpy lay out his reasoning to not lynch him so early in the day?
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He’s back at L-1
And the roller coaster continues. Except that I cried on the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland, and I really don't like rollercoasters.
Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
The more important question is: can Skumpy lay out his reasoning to not lynch him so early in the day?
First off, I was expecting the forthcoming hammer from you. Thank you for holding off...for the time being at any rate.
Reasoning to not lynch me so early in the day? Because there's 4 IRL days left? And we only get 2 mislynches of comfort room, so if you're going to burn the first on me, at least get as much out of it as possible so that town can break the habit sooner rather than later. And if there's not even a second wagon on anybody, then you realllly don't get much out of it.
To respond to what was I'm now realizing was meant by the Awaclusian question: I'm going to die D1, that's not a mystery. If I have to make an attempt to not die: my wagon consists of 1 person who's given a semblance of a good reason and 3 who haven't. I would imagine town!faust is suspicious of my different beginning to the day and scum!faust is taking advantage of my different start to the day and the newbiishness of a lot of people here. While I agree that it's normally a valid accusation/fake accusation, I have already given 6 good reasons explaining the difference. All of which I stand by. I have tried to take advantage of the miswagon to begin my personal scumhunting agenda (which I still suck at) unlike a lot of other people here. It's even tougher than usual to get reads when a) it only takes 4, and not 6, to get to L-1 and b) I haven't played with literally half the people here, 2 of which are brand new. I'd normally say that at least 1 scum is happy to keep their distance, but I can't make that assumption given the 'N' in the game's title. I would rule out a faust/WW team. For all the good that does.
@faust I'm not abusing probability, I'm using it to console myself with dropping the don't-lynch-faust mentality because I don't trust this pro-town faust. I'd unvote if that wagon was at L-1 though.
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
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some people here get sick of my confident act
Haha.
But really, good job discrediting the wagon on you. Who of us do you think got sick of your confident act?
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
I believe there is scum on the wagon
Do you have some other productive thing in mind we could be doing instead?
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
I believe there is scum on the wagon
Do you have some other productive thing in mind we could be doing instead?
I was more asking so someone can point out something lynch worthy
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
I imagine not much, if we just sit around and twiddle our thumbs.
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be scum, do we still have an outed scum?
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be scum, do we still have an outed scum?
I see the flaw in my logic now, thank you.
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some people here get sick of my confident act
Haha.
But really, good job discrediting the wagon on you. Who of us do you think got sick of your confident act?
To rephrase that:
there's 2 Skumpy's I'm aware of.
Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
And in the rare cases when I somehow get wagons, Salty Skumpy.
Some people (namely yourself) get sick of the first persona, and so vote it to make it finally shut up since it's always comfortable when its flying above suspicion. Then you get the second one.
I now understand and sympathize with all the D1 dearly departed throughout the histories. There's apparently literally nothing I can do to stop taking on water into my boat.
Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
I guess I will sheep Vote: Skumpy
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
...does nobody else see a problem with this?
Actual last post for a while, but I'll probably be dead by the time I check back. Best of luck to 3/4 of the rest of you, you'll be feeling my wrath in hell (except for Xray paRrot 69Sex).
(L)
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Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
And in the rare cases when I somehow get wagons, Salty Skumpy.
Some people (namely yourself) get sick of the first persona, and so vote it to make it finally shut up since it's always comfortable when its flying above suspicion. Then you get the second one.
Please do not presume to know what I think or why I vote and make completely unfounded assumptions on how I feel about your playstyle. I am not voting you because I "got sick" of your in-game persona, and claiming any such thing is a deliberate attempt to disqualify my legitimate scumread on you.
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Skumpy, how many games have you payed before?
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some people here get sick of my confident act
Haha.
But really, good job discrediting the wagon on you. Who of us do you think got sick of your confident act?
To rephrase that:
there's 2 Skumpy's I'm aware of.
Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
Scumslip! Where's Ash?
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
There are a few players on this board I think you should meet.
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Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
This is scummy.
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
I believe there is scum on the wagon
This is probably either scummy or townie.
How many games have you played before?
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
There are a few players on this board I think you should meet.
?
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Vote: raptor
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Read list:
Towny:
- faust - He helped getting this game going and I like all his posts. Or he is just scum playing well.
Null - Towny:
- DatSwan - Was interested in getting this game going. Haven’t heard much lately.
- Xxraptorslayer96 - Asking good questions
Null:
- Witherweaver - Nothing much to see yet.
- Awaclus - Not much yet, but thinking of older games that is too be expecte(?)[l/i]
Scummy - Null:
- Seprix - Where is you content?
- stevanzzo - same question
Scummy:
- Skumpy - I voted him in the first place to generate discussion and each of his following posts convinced me to keep my vote there. And he ignores the fact that his wagon has spawned discussion.
PPE: Awaclus
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Can someone voting skumpy layout there reasoning to lynch him so early in the day?
I believe there is scum on the wagon
This is probably either scummy or townie.
How many games have you played before?
2
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here.
I would argue that it indeed does something, for example motivate you to make this post.
And just imagine how many more post/ content there would be if we wait closer till days end
If someone quickhammers them and they turn out to be town, we have an outed scum.
That's not how it works.
From my understanding, scum quickhammers to reduce discussion on that day. I think town would atleast post their intent before doing so.
There are a few players on this board I think you should meet.
?
For instance, Ashersky and PPS are notorious for quickhammering. Some other players are somewhat likely to. I always want to play that boldly, but I tend to get hesitant.
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
I dislike this vote a lot but I feel like it’s because he’s new and just wants to feel like he’s contbuting
PPE:1
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
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Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
And in the rare cases when I somehow get wagons, Salty Skumpy.
Some people (namely yourself) get sick of the first persona, and so vote it to make it finally shut up since it's always comfortable when its flying above suspicion. Then you get the second one.
Please do not presume to know what I think or why I vote and make completely unfounded assumptions on how I feel about your playstyle. I am not voting you because I "got sick" of your in-game persona, and claiming any such thing is a deliberate attempt to disqualify my legitimate scumread on you.
...this was phrased badly in the first place, then it got equivocated, and now even I'm not sure as to what I meant exactly. I'm going to drop this now unless people really really want me to break it down in depth.
Skumpy, how many games have you payed before?
1 finished, 1 in progress.
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Another vote I get and am fine with. Verve were a ho twit because any wagon that's not on me is strictly better, and everybody trusts faust apparently. Which is a first in my limited experience, interestingly. If Raptor's scum, this is a huge improvement over your first game. If your town, it's a huge improvement over your last game (plz no modkill for compliments).
Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
This is scummy.
It's what I'd do as town. Or scum too probably, but that's why this is null.
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
Ignores the fact that my wagon has spawned discussion? No, that part is fantastic, I agree. What's not fantastic is the guinea pig who's generating discussion. Is there a reason you don't want to vote somewhere else and generate even more discussion? Like Witherweaver?
I'm now realizing that of the 4 people I haven't played with, 1 is MIA and 3 are voting for me. Go read M105, know this is standard me. Except for being at L-1 D1, that's a first. It is not hard to tell when I'm skummy. If there's doubt in your mind, the case is closed.
Also, talking is not scummy or Skummy, even when I have to talk in order to not get lynched. People who fly under the radar doing nothing is worth more attention. And there have been a lot of them so far. The focus is ridiculously misplaced, I've never seen a tunnel this hard, which is even more insane because it's on me. None of you have any alarm bells ringing, saying "maaaaaybe this is a really dumb decsion???"
@schadd: Vote is in the middle. Sorrry
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I like Skumpy‘s latest post unvote
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Vote: Seprix for lurking
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Vote: Seprix for lurking
Work is a thing.
In other news, people tend to do weird stuff in the openings, and somehow that means we're supposed to be making reads. Uh okay then.
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Vote count 1.1
Seprix (1): Awaclus
faust (1): faust
Skumpy (4): faust, DatSwan, SirClemens, Witherweaver
not voting (3): Seprix, stevanzzo, Xxraptorslayer96
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time
mod notes
mod quotes
That was my first phone post vote ever. I forgot it wouldnt bold automatically. And now its ruined and I need a new one
Sweat: Van Dot
blegh. but i guess this is fine since nobody's usernames are uh isomorphic
Hey everyone!
I HIT RAVES
i shit, vera?
It's obvious, isn't it?
vote: schadd
to vote people: use bold - the big b at the upper left of the formatting stuff or
[b]vote: schadd[/b]
also i'm not a player! but that may have been intentional
So this is a while ago, but I would like to point out that Faust is voting for both himself and for Skumpy in this count...
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Vote count 1.2
Skumpy (3): faust, Witherweaver, stevanzzo
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
Seprix (1): SirClemens
not voting (2): Seprix, DatSwan
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time
mod notes
- faust took the place of skumpy in the last vc, fixed. oh which swanda just pointed out.
- 's done, tom
mod quotes
quod mōtēs
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!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Just keeping the vote at 4 so I could see who drops and/or who pushed him over the edge.
That being said, it's down to 3 by my count (probably wrong, I'm bad at counting.) so unvote.
As for it looking bad, sure. From the reactions earlier, unvoting makes it look worse. ;)
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!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Just keeping the vote at 4 so I could see who drops and/or who pushed him over the edge.
That being said, it's down to 3 by my count (probably wrong, I'm bad at counting.) so unvote.
As for it looking bad, sure. From the reactions earlier, unvoting makes it look worse. ;)
Have you played mafia IRL before? Or other mafia experiences not on this site?
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In other news, people tend to do weird stuff in the openings, and somehow that means we're supposed to be making reads. Uh okay then.
You'd be surprised. I don't really get it either, honestly. But you should vote just for the sake of making anagrams, it's fun.
Back to Stupid Skumpy now that my wagon has receded. But still suspicious of faust.
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Back to Stupid Skumpy now that my wagon has receded. But still suspicious of faust.
Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.
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@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
"Never townread faust" is not a viable solution though. Hard as it may be, you have to figure out a way to read me.
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
Uh, because putting someone at L-1 without announcing it is bad, jumping on a bandwagon because "hahaha it's a bandwagon this is fun" is super duper scummy. Skumpy was at L-2 at that point, and that revote put him at L-1 again, completely unannounced, and for the scummiest reasons. It's so blatant that I'm willing to read it as an amateur mistake but geeeeeeeez
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I like Skumpy‘s latest post unvote
What about skumpys post made him go from bottom of your list to seprix being bottom?
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I like Skumpy‘s latest post unvote
What about skumpys post made him go from bottom of your list to seprix being bottom?
It just made Skumpy move one tier up and I voted Seprix for lurking. He stopped doing that and stevanzzo is entitled to a day 1 pass as a newbie. So unvote
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
Uh, because putting someone at L-1 without announcing it is bad, jumping on a bandwagon because "hahaha it's a bandwagon this is fun" is super duper scummy. Skumpy was at L-2 at that point, and that revote put him at L-1 again, completely unannounced, and for the scummiest reasons. It's so blatant that I'm willing to read it as an amateur mistake but geeeeeeeez
Not sure alignment can really be accurately assigned this early...
But right now, this is reminding me a lot of Vizzini.
So I ask you this: Are you the sort of man who would put the poison in his own goblet, or his enemy's?
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What specifically is reminding you of Vizzini? What Seprix is saying?
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Read list:
Towny:
- faust - He helped getting this game going and I like all his posts. Or he is just scum playing well.
Null - Towny:
- DatSwan - Was interested in getting this game going. Haven’t heard much lately.
- Xxraptorslayer96 - Asking good questions
Null:
- Witherweaver - Nothing much to see yet.
- Awaclus - Not much yet, but thinking of older games that is too be expecte(?)[l/i]
Scummy - Null:
- Seprix - Where is you content?
- stevanzzo - same question
Scummy:
- Skumpy - I voted him in the first place to generate discussion and each of his following posts convinced me to keep my vote there. And he ignores the fact that his wagon has spawned discussion.
PPE: Awaclus
I think this is a townie post.
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Playing without contributing is just vet privilege. Ask Robz about it.
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Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
And in the rare cases when I somehow get wagons, Salty Skumpy.
Some people (namely yourself) get sick of the first persona, and so vote it to make it finally shut up since it's always comfortable when its flying above suspicion. Then you get the second one.
Please do not presume to know what I think or why I vote and make completely unfounded assumptions on how I feel about your playstyle. I am not voting you because I "got sick" of your in-game persona, and claiming any such thing is a deliberate attempt to disqualify my legitimate scumread on you.
...this was phrased badly in the first place, then it got equivocated, and now even I'm not sure as to what I meant exactly. I'm going to drop this now unless people really really want me to break it down in depth.
Skumpy, how many games have you payed before?
1 finished, 1 in progress.
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Another vote I get and am fine with. Verve were a ho twit because any wagon that's not on me is strictly better, and everybody trusts faust apparently. Which is a first in my limited experience, interestingly. If Raptor's scum, this is a huge improvement over your first game. If your town, it's a huge improvement over your last game (plz no modkill for compliments).
Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
This is scummy.
It's what I'd do as town. Or scum too probably, but that's why this is null.
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
Ignores the fact that my wagon has spawned discussion? No, that part is fantastic, I agree. What's not fantastic is the guinea pig who's generating discussion. Is there a reason you don't want to vote somewhere else and generate even more discussion? Like Witherweaver?
I'm now realizing that of the 4 people I haven't played with, 1 is MIA and 3 are voting for me. Go read M105, know this is standard me. Except for being at L-1 D1, that's a first. It is not hard to tell when I'm skummy. If there's doubt in your mind, the case is closed.
Also, talking is not scummy or Skummy, even when I have to talk in order to not get lynched. People who fly under the radar doing nothing is worth more attention. And there have been a lot of them so far. The focus is ridiculously misplaced, I've never seen a tunnel this hard, which is even more insane because it's on me. None of you have any alarm bells ringing, saying "maaaaaybe this is a really dumb decsion???"
@schadd: Vote is in the middle. Sorrry
I don't know what kind of post this is. Is he always like this?
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I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
Uh, because putting someone at L-1 without announcing it is bad, jumping on a bandwagon because "hahaha it's a bandwagon this is fun" is super duper scummy. Skumpy was at L-2 at that point, and that revote put him at L-1 again, completely unannounced, and for the scummiest reasons. It's so blatant that I'm willing to read it as an amateur mistake but geeeeeeeez
Why didn't you vote for Stevanz?
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!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Just keeping the vote at 4 so I could see who drops and/or who pushed him over the edge.
That being said, it's down to 3 by my count (probably wrong, I'm bad at counting.) so unvote.
As for it looking bad, sure. From the reactions earlier, unvoting makes it look worse. ;)
Wait, so do you think Skumpy is town or scum?
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@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
"Never townread faust" is not a viable solution though. Hard as it may be, you have to figure out a way to read me.
I think the answer is just sheep Faust. And if that doesn't work, then lynch Faust.
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Stupid Skumpy, which is what I am most of the team
And in the rare cases when I somehow get wagons, Salty Skumpy.
Some people (namely yourself) get sick of the first persona, and so vote it to make it finally shut up since it's always comfortable when its flying above suspicion. Then you get the second one.
Please do not presume to know what I think or why I vote and make completely unfounded assumptions on how I feel about your playstyle. I am not voting you because I "got sick" of your in-game persona, and claiming any such thing is a deliberate attempt to disqualify my legitimate scumread on you.
...this was phrased badly in the first place, then it got equivocated, and now even I'm not sure as to what I meant exactly. I'm going to drop this now unless people really really want me to break it down in depth.
Skumpy, how many games have you payed before?
1 finished, 1 in progress.
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Another vote I get and am fine with. Verve were a ho twit because any wagon that's not on me is strictly better, and everybody trusts faust apparently. Which is a first in my limited experience, interestingly. If Raptor's scum, this is a huge improvement over your first game. If your town, it's a huge improvement over your last game (plz no modkill for compliments).
Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
This is scummy.
It's what I'd do as town. Or scum too probably, but that's why this is null.
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
Ignores the fact that my wagon has spawned discussion? No, that part is fantastic, I agree. What's not fantastic is the guinea pig who's generating discussion. Is there a reason you don't want to vote somewhere else and generate even more discussion? Like Witherweaver?
I'm now realizing that of the 4 people I haven't played with, 1 is MIA and 3 are voting for me. Go read M105, know this is standard me. Except for being at L-1 D1, that's a first. It is not hard to tell when I'm skummy. If there's doubt in your mind, the case is closed.
Also, talking is not scummy or Skummy, even when I have to talk in order to not get lynched. People who fly under the radar doing nothing is worth more attention. And there have been a lot of them so far. The focus is ridiculously misplaced, I've never seen a tunnel this hard, which is even more insane because it's on me. None of you have any alarm bells ringing, saying "maaaaaybe this is a really dumb decsion???"
@schadd: Vote is in the middle. Sorrry
I don't know what kind of post this is. Is he always like this?
Yeah it is normal. But occasionally they are extremely entertaining :P
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OK so I have been reading but I haven't really been contributing all that much. Here are some potential topics for discussion:
Hey everyone!
I HIT RAVES
i shit, vera?
first off I fucked this up. It was supposed to be I Hate RVS. I failed. I think Iguana hates RVS too though, so... II HATE RVS?
vote: skumpy for not already submitting a post about breaking the set up. Dude its been like 2 days.
So like I was joking when I did this obviously. But on a serious note, I think Skum!Skumpy would be more aware of keeping image and making sure to have that post in.
I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
Any idea how to move this game forward? I agree with you that a NEO claim would be bad, any claim would be bad this early in the game.
Towny from new player. Skum noob would lurk imo most the time in this slow start.
I am so freeking bored guys someone say something.
Any idea how to move this game forward? I agree with you that a NEO claim would be bad, any claim would be bad this early in the game.
Well you could tell us who you think is scum.
Most players haven‘t done anything that indicates their alignment. DatSwan seems towny, not sure what to make of Skumpy‘s last post.
Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
I guess I will sheep Vote: Skumpy
Vet coaching a skum buddy? Normally would be my thought, but original read from above on SC (can I call you SC?) would counter that.
Or we can get a nice wagon started on Skumpy. Already have two votes. The guy is scum, you've heard it here first.
Wait, I know you are a really good player, but how can so few posts make you sure he is scum?
Here's how this works:
Any post that you make will slide you mildly towards being town or being scum in my head. Some will barely do anything, but still a tiny bit. So, after a lot of posts, usually I have a decent idea about alignment. (Of course sometimes I get conflicting reads and am still unsure, and sometimes I misread people.)
Now we don't have a lot of posts, yes. But the posts we do have still put everyone in a camp of either tentatively town or tentatively scum. Thus, once everyone posted a few things, someone will end up the scummiest, even though compared to late-game reads it's still not going off much.
So, am I sure Skumpy is scum? Well, no. But he is the scummiest of the bunch of you, and so I am going to push his lynch. Since you need to create activity and discussion, it does not actually matter how strong your read is, you should push for some lynch, defend someone, or else do stuff that other people can agree or disagree with as this gets the game moving. This is why I usually push hard, no matter how much evidence there actually is.
And I am back to neutral/leaning skummy. This seems set up. When I played with skum partner Faust in 110 he brought up me acting unknowing to earn town points more than once.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
lol. Raptor requesting a prod...
I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
Were you aware of how many votes were on Skumpy when you did this?
Lolz didn’t realize this was actually happening.
Unvote
This is scummy.
How is this skummy? I RVSed him. Wasn't around. He grew to L-1. Day potentially could of ended prior to half way mark. I unvoted. Skummy = saying this was in any way skummy.
Read list:
Towny:
- faust - He helped getting this game going and I like all his posts. Or he is just scum playing well.
Null - Towny:
- DatSwan - Was interested in getting this game going. Haven’t heard much lately.
- Xxraptorslayer96 - Asking good questions
Null:
- Witherweaver - Nothing much to see yet.
- Awaclus - Not much yet, but thinking of older games that is too be expecte(?)[l/i]
Scummy - Null:
- Seprix - Where is you content?
- stevanzzo - same question
Scummy:
- Skumpy - I voted him in the first place to generate discussion and each of his following posts convinced me to keep my vote there. And he ignores the fact that his wagon has spawned discussion.
PPE: Awaclus
Town points. trying hard, and succeeding in a sense, to be helpful.
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
I actually disregarded this post the first time through, but upon further thought I agree with the third point. That being said, I haven't really been doing much either so I guess who am I to judge.
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Just keeping the vote at 4 so I could see who drops and/or who pushed him over the edge.
That being said, it's down to 3 by my count (probably wrong, I'm bad at counting.) so unvote.
As for it looking bad, sure. From the reactions earlier, unvoting makes it look worse. ;)
Just... strange. Original logic I suppose has merit to it, but then I don't really understand the unvote. It's not like he is gonna pick up 4 over night or something. Did you not think he was skummy at all?
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
"Never townread faust" is not a viable solution though. Hard as it may be, you have to figure out a way to read me.
So yeah... but I would say to everyone that the play on the pros this game would be guilty until proven innocent. Furthermore, i think you kind of had to accept that would be the mentality of most going into this. This post actually reads way too odd to me all together.
I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
Uh, because putting someone at L-1 without announcing it is bad, jumping on a bandwagon because "hahaha it's a bandwagon this is fun" is super duper scummy. Skumpy was at L-2 at that point, and that revote put him at L-1 again, completely unannounced, and for the scummiest reasons. It's so blatant that I'm willing to read it as an amateur mistake but geeeeeeeez
But you didn't think it was skummy when WW did it a few hours prior to that?
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
"Never townread faust" is not a viable solution though. Hard as it may be, you have to figure out a way to read me.
I think the answer is just sheep Faust. And if that doesn't work, then lynch Faust.
As you are 50% of the non Faust players that have enough experience to go into this game disregarding the fact Faust has "a lot of experience", I think it is weird you would suggest this. Almost like you know you want it to happen...
And that is the game in my eyes thus far. Where I am at:
Skummy: WW, Faust, Clemens
Skummy/Null: stevanzzo, Awaclus
Null: Skumpy
Towny: Raptor, Seprix
Vote: WW for now seems fun
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I like Skumpy‘s latest post unvote
What about skumpys post made him go from bottom of your list to seprix being bottom?
It just made Skumpy move one tier up and I voted Seprix for lurking. He stopped doing that and stevanzzo is entitled to a day 1 pass as a newbie. So unvote
Newbie passes aren't actually a good idea in a newbie game.
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I kind of want to vote DatSwan for being so very wrong. But that's probably just DatSwan. So I suppose vote: Seprix.
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The whole WW wagon is a load of nonsense. WW's play so far is completely normal for him. In fact the only thing to be said against it would be that it is too normal, but that isn't the case people are making.
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Read list:
Towny:
- faust - He helped getting this game going and I like all his posts. Or he is just scum playing well.
Null - Towny:
- DatSwan - Was interested in getting this game going. Haven’t heard much lately.
- Xxraptorslayer96 - Asking good questions
Null:
- Witherweaver - Nothing much to see yet.
- Awaclus - Not much yet, but thinking of older games that is too be expecte(?)[l/i]
Scummy - Null:
- Seprix - Where is you content?
- stevanzzo - same question
Scummy:
- Skumpy - I voted him in the first place to generate discussion and each of his following posts convinced me to keep my vote there. And he ignores the fact that his wagon has spawned discussion.
PPE: Awaclus
I think this is a townie post.
Eh.
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I don't know what kind of post this is. Is he always like this?
Well, kind of, but also not really. I mean Skumpy always likes to talk about himself, but here it feels off.
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I kind of want to vote DatSwan for being so very wrong. But that's probably just DatSwan. So I suppose vote: Seprix.
See there you go. That has wayyyy more of a Town!Faust feel to it. Its also like exactly what I would do if I were skum and knew WW was town so changed my mind.
Vote: Faust
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Voting without stating your reasoning is super pro town.
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Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Voting without stating your reasoning is super pro town.
It depends in all honesty.
I am alive.
also, joining the bandwagon.
vote Skumpy
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Why exactly does this look bad for him from your perspective?
Uh, because ... but geeeeeeeez
Why didn't you vote for Stevanz?
I already said the reason :P
Vote: Skumpy
wagons!
I’ll Vote: Witherweaver
Reasons:
-votes without stating reasoning
-isn’t contributing very much
-I would expect an experienced player to be trying harder to scum hunt.
Playing without contributing is just vet privilege. Ask Robz about it.
8)
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Not sure alignment can really be accurately assigned this early...
But right now, this is reminding me a lot of Vizzini.
So I ask you this: Are you the sort of man who would put the poison in his own goblet, or his enemy's?
vote: stevanzzo
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(can I call you SC?)
Sure.
Not sure where I should vote though.
Should we decide on the lynch tomorrow? 8th December would be a little rushed, and rushed lynches are bad from what I’ve seen.
I don’t think I will be here for the deadline. I can look at the posts a little bit at 01:20 am forum time on the 8th.
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Vote: Seprix
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Should we decide on the lynch tomorrow? 8th December would be a little rushed, and rushed lynches are bad from what I’ve seen.
I have hardly ever seen this work (that is, deciding to settle on a lynch before deadline and then actually pulling it through).
Also there's no reason to do this. If we decide to settle on a lynch tomorrow, then things will get rushed once we try to settle for something tomorrow evening. The rush can only be prevented by an early quickhammer. Unfortunately, you said these were bad.
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I still like my vote where it is
He put skumpy at L-1 the first time, unannounced and I don’t agree that vets don’t need to contribute.
I’m also willing to lynch Stevan
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bumlp
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plubm
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Vote count 1.3
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
Seprix (2): faust, Witherweaver
faust (1): DatSwan
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
not voting (2): stevanzzo, SirClemens
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time. in like 2 days!
mod notes
- new sufjan single this morning
- just flame when gin rings. in, son.
mod quotes
bumlp, plubm.
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Should we decide on the lynch tomorrow? 8th December would be a little rushed, and rushed lynches are bad from what I’ve seen.
I have hardly ever seen this work (that is, deciding to settle on a lynch before deadline and then actually pulling it through).
Also there's no reason to do this. If we decide to settle on a lynch tomorrow, then things will get rushed once we try to settle for something tomorrow evening. The rush can only be prevented by an early quickhammer. Unfortunately, you said these were bad.
Now it isn‘t early in the day. I think the pressure if we try to settle it tomorrow will be a great deal smaller than if done on friday. A situation where we settle on a lynch that we don’t favor because people are absent is smaller on thursday than on friday, since the absent people still can vote on friday. I could be really wrong about this since I have no experience, but to me it sounds good on paper.
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Why is nobody else voting for raptor?
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Why is nobody else voting for raptor?
I don't know. I think there are better places for my vote. I assume others think similarly.
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Should we decide on the lynch tomorrow? 8th December would be a little rushed, and rushed lynches are bad from what I’ve seen.
I have hardly ever seen this work (that is, deciding to settle on a lynch before deadline and then actually pulling it through).
Also there's no reason to do this. If we decide to settle on a lynch tomorrow, then things will get rushed once we try to settle for something tomorrow evening. The rush can only be prevented by an early quickhammer. Unfortunately, you said these were bad.
Now it isn‘t early in the day. I think the pressure if we try to settle it tomorrow will be a great deal smaller than if done on friday. A situation where we settle on a lynch that we don’t favor because people are absent is smaller on thursday than on friday, since the absent people still can vote on friday. I could be really wrong about this since I have no experience, but to me it sounds good on paper.
If people are absent while we "settle" on a lynch, it is foolish to assume they will agree with the decision made in their absence. And anyway we get better information if people don't have the excuse "I only did what town decided".
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I'm home from work and ready to help.
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Sorry for not posting in a while. Life was already a bit hectic, then today got nice and incendiary. Reading now.
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Read list:
Towny:
- faust - He helped getting this game going and I like all his posts. Or he is just scum playing well.
Null - Towny:
- DatSwan - Was interested in getting this game going. Haven’t heard much lately.
- Xxraptorslayer96 - Asking good questions
Null:
- Witherweaver - Nothing much to see yet.
- Awaclus - Not much yet, but thinking of older games that is too be expecte(?)[l/i]
Scummy - Null:
- Seprix - Where is you content?
- stevanzzo - same question
Scummy:
- Skumpy - I voted him in the first place to generate discussion and each of his following posts convinced me to keep my vote there. And he ignores the fact that his wagon has spawned discussion.
PPE: Awaclus
I think this is a townie post.
Agree with this, including the 'think'. No groundbreaking revolutionary reasons, but I feel this stuff is really tough to fake the first time around, even with having read past games.
Skumpy, how many games have you payed before?
New answer: 2. Maybe this explains the bad post of mine earlier, when faust could be thinking, "Geez, you win too much, get lynched already!" It's a joke. Mostly. The plan was for me to self-vote in my next M game after starting off strong in my career...then I didn't when I got to L-2 and then L-1. And now there's no reason whatsoever to have fun with that.
Vote: raptor
Interesting that Raptor doesn't react to this. He just got a firsthand look at an Awaclus tunnel, now he's the victim of one and he's not concerned? And obviously can't read into Awaclus well, but I feel this is kind of townie (this is a decision I know I'm going to backtrack on later. I'm reading a lot of people as town this game).
!!!!! The hell??? Why? I'll read this as an amateur mistake but this looks very bad for you.
Just keeping the vote at 4 so I could see who drops and/or who pushed him over the edge.
That being said, it's down to 3 by my count (probably wrong, I'm bad at counting.) so unvote.
As for it looking bad, sure. From the reactions earlier, unvoting makes it look worse. ;)
It would look bad except I like the self-awareness. Maybe I'm underestimating newbie talent. No sé!
I understand the faust post about interactions now. But I still don't like being Test Subject #2025
@SirClemens' reads: I've never played with scum!faust before. But I know that to give him towncred for that is a bad call. Even if faust's town, you're severely underestimating scum ability. Unless you already know this.
"Never townread faust" is not a viable solution though. Hard as it may be, you have to figure out a way to read me.
It'll be much easier once I've played against you as scum. I'm still working off the feeling that I'm always going to misread you, town as scum and scum as town. Maybe that's a sign I should unvote. Then again, I'm not actually voting for you right now.
Aside: Who haven't I read yet as town? WW, Swan, Seprix? This is either really good or really bad, I don't think it's in the middle.
I don't know what kind of post this is. Is he always like this?
Yeah it is normal. But occasionally they are extremely entertaining :P
Swan's scum because town has no reason to lie ;) (that winky face just guarantees Swan as scum).
The big Swan post: I don't know. My mentality now is to table this while I try to figure out how to read Swan. Though instincts are leaning a bit towards scum. (I went back and tried again. Really on the fence with this one. I think I want to give Swan time and see if he slips somehow).
I like Skumpy‘s latest post unvote
What about skumpys post made him go from bottom of your list to seprix being bottom?
It just made Skumpy move one tier up and I voted Seprix for lurking. He stopped doing that and stevanzzo is entitled to a day 1 pass as a newbie. So unvote
Newbie passes aren't actually a good idea in a newbie game.
It's not about it being a good idea, it's about being fair. And maybe a bit manipulative. If you're trying to entice new players to join Mafia, then it's a good idea to not kill them D1.
I kind of want to vote DatSwan for being so very wrong. But that's probably just DatSwan. So I suppose vote: Seprix.
Just wanted to LOL at this. Swan's always wrong as town, apparently. But I agree with this stuff. Again. Sigh.
The whole WW wagon is a load of nonsense. WW's play so far is completely normal for him. In fact the only thing to be said against it would be that it is too normal, but that isn't the case people are making.
Would've been nice if you had said this before. It's a not a case for him being town though. Maybe I should be wondering about a team here (I said wonder, don't jump on this!)
I don't know what kind of post this is. Is he always like this?
Well, kind of, but also not really. I mean Skumpy always likes to talk about himself, but here it feels off.
Thank god 110's over. Because now I can say: does my opening remind you more of 105, 110 or neither? I was distracted when this game began, if I were to answer my own question, I'd go with neither.
(can I call you SC?)
Sure.
And now I'm always going to read this as Santa Claus.
Should we decide on the lynch tomorrow? 8th December would be a little rushed, and rushed lynches are bad from what I’ve seen.
I have hardly ever seen this work (that is, deciding to settle on a lynch before deadline and then actually pulling it through).
Also there's no reason to do this. If we decide to settle on a lynch tomorrow, then things will get rushed once we try to settle for something tomorrow evening. The rush can only be prevented by an early quickhammer. Unfortunately, you said these were bad.
Now it isn‘t early in the day. I think the pressure if we try to settle it tomorrow will be a great deal smaller than if done on friday. A situation where we settle on a lynch that we don’t favor because people are absent is smaller on thursday than on friday, since the absent people still can vote on friday. I could be really wrong about this since I have no experience, but to me it sounds good on paper.
Santa's town. EXACTLY how I felt my first game. Talkative, not needing to hold back anything.
Why is nobody else voting for raptor?
Because self-confident Raptor is new and different and fun. And helpful. Why are you voting him?
So the faust-DatSwan-WW is an interesting trio. Though Seprix is there too. My vote's going for somebody in this group, one way or another. I'm good where I am now on WW, agreeing with Raptor. I could see Seprix as scum except faust and WW are both voting there. We'll see where the wind blows, I'll wait for some more stuff.
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I personally like my vote where it is. And for those who are wondering why I'm not quoting that much stuff, that's because there's nothing there at all. Get back to me Day 2 when we find out who was against who and roles start getting revealed.
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I personally like my vote where it is. And for those who are wondering why I'm not quoting that much stuff, that's because there's nothing there at all. Get back to me Day 2 when we find out who was against who and roles start getting revealed.
Pretty sure someone said vets not scumhunting is scummy~!
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I personally like my vote where it is. And for those who are wondering why I'm not quoting that much stuff, that's because there's nothing there at all. Get back to me Day 2 when we find out who was against who and roles start getting revealed.
You're not new, but you are coming out of retirement. So I'll address you like a newbie, which I know you'll love:
While I agree (I too despise D1's, they never work) - this is a REALLY short game. Three strikes and we're out (baring fortunate night actions). Normally, I'd do the same as you, especially since I only have experience with 4 people here. But you have to make an attempt to read people. If everybody does the same as you, then we have no information if town is lynched, which is decidedly more likely (as evidenced by my wagon). And when town is lynched, scum can be both be off, both be on, or one scum off and one scum on, Diddle Diddle Dumpling, My Son John. There's not really any time to ease in and get comfortable. Then again, I could just be saying that because I was nearly killed an hour in so I was never comfortable.
Take my wagon: if you don't think I'm scum, then do you think it was Steve and somebody offwagon? If so, who?
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I like the WW/Faust/Stevan scum!team idea.
Because I believe there was scum on Skumpy’s wagon. Faust could of started it. WW jumped on putting him at L-1 and then when Stevan got online he voted him seeing the rest of his team there putting it back at L-1.
I just can’t imgine a town driven wagon that quick into day 1.
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@stevan what are your reads? I’m especially curious of your opinion on WW and Faust
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I like the WW/Faust/Stevan scum!team idea.
Because I believe there was scum on Skumpy’s wagon. Faust could of started it. WW jumped on putting him at L-1 and then when Stevan got online he voted him seeing the rest of his team there putting it back at L-1.
I just can’t imgine a town driven wagon that quick into day 1.
Why do you think scum is more trigger-happy than town on D1?
Also, you know that there are 2 scum, right?
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On the plus side, everyone now has a scum!Skumpy game to compare against (M110), so read D1 there and see if you can spot similarities.
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So the faust-DatSwan-WW is an interesting trio. Though Seprix is there too. My vote's going for somebody in this group, one way or another. I'm good where I am now on WW, agreeing with Raptor. I could see Seprix as scum except faust and WW are both voting there. We'll see where the wind blows, I'll wait for some more stuff.
Always good to take out one of the talkative fellows, isn't it?
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I like the WW/Faust/Stevan scum!team idea.
Because I believe there was scum on Skumpy’s wagon. Faust could of started it. WW jumped on putting him at L-1 and then when Stevan got online he voted him seeing the rest of his team there putting it back at L-1.
I just can’t imgine a town driven wagon that quick into day 1.
Why do you think scum is more trigger-happy than town on D1?
Also, you know that there are 2 scum, right?
I did not... but that helps. TY
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Are you also going to answer my other question?
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@stevan what are your reads? I’m especially curious of your opinion on WW and Faust
Not got an especially good read on anyone. Suspicious of Faust and Seprix though. But I'm generally suspicious of people on witch hunts so probably doesn't mean anything.
- We are men of action, lies do not become us.
Also, good to know about the 2 scum.
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Also, good to know about the 2 scum.
How is that helping you right now?
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Fine. Vote: Seprix
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Missed my last deadline, won't miss this one.. promise :P
Right now I still think Faust is a solid vote.
I would consider switching to SC, Seprix, WW, or Awaclus.
Maybe Raptor or Skumpy. Maybe. Although, TBH posts seem to be towny imo.
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I just added that up and its like 7 people. so obviously I think everyone is skum.
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I just added that up and its like 7 people. so obviously I think everyone is skum.
No, you apparently think stev is town.
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Are you also going to answer my other question?
I think that they may have seen their chance and tried to take it
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I like the WW/Faust/Stevan scum!team idea.
Because I believe there was scum on Skumpy’s wagon. Faust could of started it. WW jumped on putting him at L-1 and then when Stevan got online he voted him seeing the rest of his team there putting it back at L-1.
I just can’t imgine a town driven wagon that quick into day 1.
Well, that's 2 town. I'd forgotten how easy this game was as town ;)
Swan was comfortable enough by 110 to go ahead and fake misreading the setup. Raptor's not yet. Unless he has a really smart, cunning partner, and even then.
And I can imagine a town-driven wagon. But the identities of the people on the wagon is what's giving me pause. I don't think it's SC, I could definitely buy 1 of the other 3 being scum. Clearly I could, since I've voted for 2 of them.
On the plus side, everyone now has a scum!Skumpy game to compare against (M110), so read D1 there and see if you can spot similarities.
*Skum!py
I'm sorry, but scum!Skumpy is just so lazy. And I was desperate for that game to end so I can start going "See! See! I'm not Skum!" In fairness, I don't think I've played much like my townself before either. Fresh start!
I just added that up and its like 7 people. so obviously I think everyone is skum.
Wishy-washy unsure Swan? I think I've totally forgotten how to read Swan. Why would you be wiling to switch to Raptor? Do you think the setup mixup was faked?
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Are you also going to answer my other question?
I think that they may have seen their chance and tried to take it
The chance to paint a target on their backs D1? I mean, I don't understand what you think scum's motivation is here. Do they jump on the Skumpy wagon in hopes for a quicklynch? But why would they think town would quicklynch for them? Or do they rather think they'd quicklynch themselves? But Skumpy was at L-1 and that did not happen. So please, explain how exactly you feel scum would think jumping on that wagon would help their cuase.
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Skumpy's post inspired me to Vote: SirClemens
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Are you also going to answer my other question?
I think that they may have seen their chance and tried to take it
The chance to paint a target on their backs D1? I mean, I don't understand what you think scum's motivation is here. Do they jump on the Skumpy wagon in hopes for a quicklynch? But why would they think town would quicklynch for them? Or do they rather think they'd quicklynch themselves? But Skumpy was at L-1 and that did not happen. So please, explain how exactly you feel scum would think jumping on that wagon would help their cuase.
I think that there idea was quick lunch. Maybe they though they could sheep the newbies into hammering. That would of worked if Stevan was around. I just feel like town knew better then to lynch that early D1 so it didn’t happen. I just personally can’t imagine a scenario where scum was off that wagon.
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Are you also going to answer my other question?
I think that they may have seen their chance and tried to take it
The chance to paint a target on their backs D1? I mean, I don't understand what you think scum's motivation is here. Do they jump on the Skumpy wagon in hopes for a quicklynch? But why would they think town would quicklynch for them? Or do they rather think they'd quicklynch themselves? But Skumpy was at L-1 and that did not happen. So please, explain how exactly you feel scum would think jumping on that wagon would help their cuase.
I think that there idea was quick lunch. Maybe they though they could sheep the newbies into hammering. That would of worked if Stevan was around. I just feel like town knew better then to lynch that early D1 so it didn’t happen. I just personally can’t imagine a scenario where scum was off that wagon.
No it would not have... stev clarified that they were aware of the vote count when they voted (which reminds me - any specific pronoun wishes, stev and Clemens?). Town usually knows better than to lynch early. Scum knows that. So why they would think a quicklynch where town casts the hammer would succeed is beyond me.
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So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
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So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
I think the chance of scum being on Skumpy is about as high as the chance of any random 4 players containing at least one scum. A bit lower than that because I scumread Skumpy.
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Most of Skumpy‘s post make me feel better about Skumpy.
Wouldn‘t lynch: DatSwan, faust
Would rather not lynch: Raptor, Skumpy
Newbie Pass: stevanzzo
Would lynch: The rest
RE: Pronoun: Just use he, though I don‘t mind if you use they or something
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Most of Skumpy‘s posts make me feel better about Skumpy.
Wouldn‘t lynch: DatSwan, faust
Would rather not lynch: Raptor, Skumpy
Newbie Pass: stevanzzo
Would lynch: The rest
RE: Pronoun: Just use he, though I don‘t mind if you use they or something
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Most of Skumpy‘s post make me feel better about Skumpy.
Wouldn‘t lynch: DatSwan, faust
Would rather not lynch: Raptor, Skumpy
Newbie Pass: stevanzzo
Would lynch: The rest
RE: Pronoun: Just use he, though I don‘t mind if you use they or something
Stevanzzo is the only newbie in the newbie game?
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Most of Skumpy‘s post make me feel better about Skumpy.
Wouldn‘t lynch: DatSwan, faust
Would rather not lynch: Raptor, Skumpy
Newbie Pass: stevanzzo
Would lynch: The rest
RE: Pronoun: Just use he, though I don‘t mind if you use they or something
Stevanzzo is the only newbie in the newbie game?
I feel special, oh so special.
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Most of Skumpy‘s post make me feel better about Skumpy.
Wouldn‘t lynch: DatSwan, faust
Would rather not lynch: Raptor, Skumpy
Newbie Pass: stevanzzo
Would lynch: The rest
RE: Pronoun: Just use he, though I don‘t mind if you use they or something
Stevanzzo is the only newbie in the newbie game?
The other newbie‘s in this game (excluding me) have played games before. The only games where I have seen newbie passes were games where it was that newbies first game. I will of course not include myself on my lynch list.
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Do you expect that you giving Stevanzzo a newbie pass will compel others to give you a newbie pass?
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Do you expect that you giving Stevanzzo a newbie pass will compel others to give you a newbie pass?
I don‘t think so. But I also don‘t think I would be lynched on this day anyway.
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Also change of schedule for me. You can expect my last post on this game day at 00:20 am (forum time) on the 8th.
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Also change of schedule for me. You can expect my last post on this game day at 00:20 am (forum time) on the 8th.
I mean 12:20 am. Also, I might hammer someone from my would lynch list at ~12:20 am if they are at L-1. So if you don’t want that, don’t put someone at L-1 before 12:50 am tomorrow.
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I don't think newbie scum plays this way.
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I don't think newbie scum plays this way.
Like Clemens, or like stev?
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And what does newbie scum play like?
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Clemens. Newbie scum is more careful, reserved in general, I think.
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I mean this:
Also change of schedule for me. You can expect my last post on this game day at 00:20 am (forum time) on the 8th.
I mean 12:20 am. Also, I might hammer someone from my would lynch list at ~12:20 am if they are at L-1. So if you don’t want that, don’t put someone at L-1 before 12:50 am tomorrow.
is a kind of bold statement.
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Clemens. Newbie scum is more careful, reserved in general, I think.
I don't know he seems pretty reserved and careful.
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I mean this:
Also change of schedule for me. You can expect my last post on this game day at 00:20 am (forum time) on the 8th.
I mean 12:20 am. Also, I might hammer someone from my would lynch list at ~12:20 am if they are at L-1. So if you don’t want that, don’t put someone at L-1 before 12:50 am tomorrow.
is a kind of bold statement.
Not really. doing it without announcement would be bold.
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Vote count 1.4
Witherweaver (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
Seprix (2): Witherweaver, Awaclus
faust (1): DatSwan
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
SirClemens (1): faust
not voting (2): stevanzzo, SirClemens
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends friday, december 8th at 13:00 forum time. in like 2 days!
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So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
There is skum in skumpy... i mean it’s right there
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Skumpy's post inspired me to Vote: SirClemens
Why, because I'm skum and am defending him? This is now twice I've seen you go for newbies with bad reasoning (Swan, circa M105). You're too good a player to make that mistake, but you know this, so you can't be scum either. No, I can't figure out how to read you.
So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
I think the chance of scum being on Skumpy is about as high as the chance of any random 4 players containing at least one scum. A bit lower than that because I scumread Skumpy.
Just wanted to chime in and make a PSA on the verb 'read' and how it's annoying that it's spelled the same in past and present tense. If there's a cool German way to do it, that'd be nice. In this case, I can figure out the desired tense, but in general, I cannot.
Do you expect that you giving Stevanzzo a newbie pass will compel others to give you a newbie pass?
I don‘t think so. But I also don‘t think I would be lynched on this day anyway.
Yeah, we're not lynching SC. For many reasons. Faust, put your vote somewhere more productive. Even on me, should you be so persistent in your error.
Question from last game that was never answered: how am I supposed to read Awaclus? I think his Raptor vote is dumb. So he's town?
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I'm going to assume Scraptor is town. SC because that is how you feel the first game, Raptor because even if he's improved, he hasn't improved enough to go all the way to faking a setup misread. Watch be me wrong, but that's where I'm at.
On the Skumpster: DatSwan (it was RVS, but I'm still counting it as being on my wagon), Faust, SC, WW.
Swan unvotes, Stevanzzo takes his place.
Off the Skumpster: Raptor, Awaclus, Seprix, DatSwan (after the RVS. Again, not an alignment tell. I think he was being honest about his RVS approach in 110, probably should've double checked that).
...OK, I give up. Normally, I'd say definitely a scum in the latter category. But if the team was Stevanzzo and faust/WW, yeah, I could see a teammate sheep there thinking it was good. faust...blech. He knew I was 110skum by the time the game started, my opening was not like it. WW I don't know, apparently he gets a vet pass to do as he pleases? Great, doesn't help us. Scum wants to be playing their standard game. Despite my top 2 picks being faust and WW at some point...I don't think that's a team, at least one is town. I wondered about a vet gang-up my first game. They have an even better opportunity here, but I still don't think they'd do it. So either Stevanzzo's scum or there is a scum offwagon. Or both. Or I'm wrong about SC and/or Raptor. Or I'm wrong about faust/WW. Which helps a total of -10, you're welcome. More think later.
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So day ends tomorrow, and we are still spread pretty thin across the board. I should be mostly around at deadline.
I would like to lynch WW, Faust, or Stevan. I would vote Seprix, Awaclus, or Datswan to push a lynch through. I will not vote Skumpy or SC.
We should all kinda state if we will be around-ish at deadline and start to consolidate the lynch pool.
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I would like to think I will be around for the end of day.
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There's no one I would not lynch.
Seprix, Raptor are good choices. It's always a good time to lynch Awaclus. Faust I'm very null on. Clemens maybe town. Datswan I don't really have a read on. Stevanz is null. Skumpy is weird.
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Vote: Seprix L-2
This is probably my last post today.
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Skumpy's post inspired me to Vote: SirClemens
Why, because I'm skum and am defending him? This is now twice I've seen you go for newbies with bad reasoning (Swan, circa M105). You're too good a player to make that mistake, but you know this, so you can't be scum either. No, I can't figure out how to read you.
No, because he's scummy. Why do you keep asking me questions and then put in the (completely wrong) answers yourself so you can make a strawman argument against me?
So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
I think the chance of scum being on Skumpy is about as high as the chance of any random 4 players containing at least one scum. A bit lower than that because I scumread Skumpy.
Just wanted to chime in and make a PSA on the verb 'read' and how it's annoying that it's spelled the same in past and present tense. If there's a cool German way to do it, that'd be nice. In this case, I can figure out the desired tense, but in general, I cannot.
Well, if transcribed into German, one would spell "ried" (present) and the other "räd". But it may confuse people to use that.
Do you expect that you giving Stevanzzo a newbie pass will compel others to give you a newbie pass?
I don‘t think so. But I also don‘t think I would be lynched on this day anyway.
Yeah, we're not lynching SC. For many reasons. Faust, put your vote somewhere more productive. Even on me, should you be so persistent in your error.
Question from last game that was never answered: how am I supposed to read Awaclus? I think his Raptor vote is dumb. So he's town?
I am not going to let you prescribe who we're lynching. Why should we not lynch Clemens? He's super reserved, calculating, stepping carefully and explaining his every move, typical for newbie scum.
I thought Awaclus changed votes?
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WW I don't know, apparently he gets a vet pass to do as he pleases? Great, doesn't help us.
What is your issue? WW is around, contributing and asking questions, trying to move the game forward... a style of play that I feel helps us a lot more than your self-centered one.
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Will be here for the deadline.
It seems that Clemens won't be here to claim. That worked out nicely for him. I guess it's not great as a lynch then. Still I am confused what it is that people find townie about him. Maybe people can make better cases for that? WW already did something, that's fine, but it's super not bold. If you want to see bold newbie play, you have to look no further than stev's Skumy vote.
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Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
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Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
So just to clarify what you did... You state that none of the wagons are any good, and procced to voting a place where no one else is voting? Why wouldn’t you just keep your vote where it was if you wanted to waste it?
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Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
Agreed. However, I also do not think you are finding skum with skumpy either.
PPE
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vote: WW
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Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
So just to clarify what you did... You state that none of the wagons are any good, and procced to voting a place where no one else is voting? Why wouldn’t you just keep your vote where it was if you wanted to waste it?
Well, over the course of the game a total of 5 people have been voting Skumpy, so there is definitely enough to get a lynch through and to say that it is wasted is ridiculous. And as I said, Clemens won't be here to claim.
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vote: WW
None of the wagons are good, but you join one of them?
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vote: WW
None of the wagons are good, but you join one of them?
Something about a rock and a hard place.
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Skumpy's post inspired me to Vote: SirClemens
Why, because I'm skum and am defending him? This is now twice I've seen you go for newbies with bad reasoning (Swan, circa M105). You're too good a player to make that mistake, but you know this, so you can't be scum either. No, I can't figure out how to read you.
No, because he's scummy. Why do you keep asking me questions and then put in the (completely wrong) answers yourself so you can make a strawman argument against me?
So in your opinion there was no scum in skumpy?
I think the chance of scum being on Skumpy is about as high as the chance of any random 4 players containing at least one scum. A bit lower than that because I scumread Skumpy.
Just wanted to chime in and make a PSA on the verb 'read' and how it's annoying that it's spelled the same in past and present tense. If there's a cool German way to do it, that'd be nice. In this case, I can figure out the desired tense, but in general, I cannot.
Well, if transcribed into German, one would spell "ried" (present) and the other "räd". But it may confuse people to use that.
Do you expect that you giving Stevanzzo a newbie pass will compel others to give you a newbie pass?
I don‘t think so. But I also don‘t think I would be lynched on this day anyway.
Yeah, we're not lynching SC. For many reasons. Faust, put your vote somewhere more productive. Even on me, should you be so persistent in your error.
Question from last game that was never answered: how am I supposed to read Awaclus? I think his Raptor vote is dumb. So he's town?
I am not going to let you prescribe who we're lynching. Why should we not lynch Clemens? He's super reserved, calculating, stepping carefully and explaining his every move, typical for newbie scum.
I thought Awaclus changed votes?
1. I have no idea what 'Skumpy's post inspired me' would mean other than that. I still don't know. BTW, I don't know what that 'no' is in my last sentence. I probably had more thoughts that I forgot to say.
2. What if I just did read vs red? Does that work?
3. OK, after a readthrough, I'm not so sure anymore. Still don't want to vote there. Does you voting for him before having something to do with it? Maybe...
But it's posts like #201 that I like. You get excited and nervous and you try to get involved. I probably would've faked it had I been scum my first game, but it would have been a more subdued excitement. And if you're scum, you lurk, make as few reads as possible, and hope everybody forgets about you.
And you just changed your vote, so somebody's prescribing. I'll take credit for it because I'm selfish.
Yeah he did...I don't know why I was caught up with the Raptor accusation. Probably because it stuck out like a sore thumb? So should I vote him for making sense with the Seprix vote?
Will be here for the deadline.
It seems that Clemens won't be here to claim. That worked out nicely for him. I guess it's not great as a lynch then. Still I am confused what it is that people find townie about him. Maybe people can make better cases for that? WW already did something, that's fine, but it's super not bold. If you want to see bold newbie play, you have to look no further than stev's Skumy vote.
Bold is good. That's why I'm not voting there. I'm also giving newbie passes, sue me. It could also be uninformed and he had to backtrack, it could also be a partner telling him to be bold. Eh. There's 2 scum, and he's not top 2 for me now. Fair points, I tip my hat to you.
WW I don't know, apparently he gets a vet pass to do as he pleases? Great, doesn't help us.
What is your issue? WW is around, contributing and asking questions, trying to move the game forward... a style of play that I feel helps us a lot more than your self-centered one.
It's D1. You can do on your D1 scumreads and stir up arguments and trouble, but I haven't seen it work yet for you, and it's clearly not working this game either. The only reason why I'm not reserved about accusations this game compared to normal is I'm somehow one of the more experienced players here (tied for 6th anyways) and as I already said, there's not enough time in the game to take it easy D1. There's 9 candidates to be lynched, none of them are gonna be much better than others. The absolute best thing I can do D1 is to get myself to N2 alive because literally anybody else is a better lynch than myself (disregarding PRs) since I know I'm town, I can't say the same for the others. If I'm lynched, that's 1 town dead and 1 wasted day. I'll pass.
Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
The encouraging thing about this it I expected to be an eaaaasy townread from now on. Either you're scum or I'm wrong, so I'm happy either way :D
Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
So just to clarify what you did... You state that none of the wagons are any good, and procced to voting a place where no one else is voting? Why wouldn’t you just keep your vote where it was if you wanted to waste it?
READING RAPTORS' POSTS IS SO ENTERTAINING THIS GAME!!!!! Sorry, I swear I won't do that again.
Unfortunately, none of the current wagons are any good.
Back to Vote: Skumpy
Agreed. However, I also do not think you are finding skum with skumpy either.
PPE
I was trying to think a clever Skumpyism to respond to that faust post. This does the trick fine though (even though you're always finding Skum in Skumpy! Someone needs to make a jingle)
Lynch pool for me's at 5. Awaclus isn't getting lynched, and I think I'm OK with that, which gives me pause. I'd vote faust, but that's clearly not happening. Swan is also not really like Swan from 105 or 110. I don't why I can't put my finger on him? I'll wait a day, it was my plan after 105 anyways. Top 2 picks are on the biggest 2 wagons. Again. Yay. WW... he's been active but not active enough to warrant a lot of attention, which is what I'm learning scum likes to do. At any rate, newbie privilege, vets must die! And Seprix is trying to fly under the radar and get to D2 as safe and secure as possible. I don't know if he'd try harder as scum or not, which is why he's 2nd pick. Good to switch my vote there if needed, but I don't think it'll be needed.
Yes, I know there was a lot of hypocrisy above, I say what I need to :)
Should be around for deadline, but I won't be able to do much more than make votes.
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TL:DR
I don't like you faust (only when games are ongoing, I swear!)
I am a self-centered player.
Will lynch WW or Seprix. Big help, I know!
I should do this more often.
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Vote: faust
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Vote: faust
This is either a very bad decision, or scum who realized that there might be enough support to actually get a mislynch through on me. Either way I don't like it.
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Vote: faust
This is either a very bad decision, or scum who realized that there might be enough support to actually get a mislynch through on me. Either way I don't like it.
It's neither.
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1. I have no idea what 'Skumpy's post inspired me' would mean other than that. I still don't know. BTW, I don't know what that 'no' is in my last sentence. I probably had more thoughts that I forgot to say.
Well your offhand townread on him was bringing him back to my attention, yes. But you're not the only one to have done that.
But it's posts like #201 that I like. You get excited and nervous and you try to get involved. I probably would've faked it had I been scum my first game, but it would have been a more subdued excitement. And if you're scum, you lurk, make as few reads as possible, and hope everybody forgets about you.
Well I'd argue that you get even more excited and nervous as newbie scum. #201 is devoid of any reads and thus it is very easy for scum to make that post. It is being active and involved while avoiding any sort of confrontation.
It's D1. You can do on your D1 scumreads and stir up arguments and trouble, but I haven't seen it work yet for you, and it's clearly not working this game either. The only reason why I'm not reserved about accusations this game compared to normal is I'm somehow one of the more experienced players here (tied for 6th anyways) and as I already said, there's not enough time in the game to take it easy D1. There's 9 candidates to be lynched, none of them are gonna be much better than others. The absolute best thing I can do D1 is to get myself to N2 alive because literally anybody else is a better lynch than myself (disregarding PRs) since I know I'm town, I can't say the same for the others. If I'm lynched, that's 1 town dead and 1 wasted day. I'll pass.
Well, I may not be on top of my game now, but there has been a period of time here on f.ds where I caught scum on D1 in like 3 games in a row (when I drew scum afterwards, I felt compelled to bus my partner to a D1 lynch in order to not draw suspicion). So there's where my belief that it can work stems from. I think part of the problem now is there's more people here I'm not that good at reading, I have less time, but also more other people like you who have kind of given up on D1s, so there is less content there and thus of course it gets harder to catch scum.
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Vote: faust
This is either a very bad decision, or scum who realized that there might be enough support to actually get a mislynch through on me. Either way I don't like it.
It's neither.
No it is definitely one of those.
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Also Vote: Awaclus
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Anyone seen Stevan?
I will be back 30 min or so before deadline
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I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
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I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
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I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
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Anyone seen Stevan?
I will be back 30 min or so before deadline
I have.
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I thought this day ended at 12:00.
If the choice are WW or Seprix, I prefer to lynch Seprix.
@faust I won‘t claim during day 1.
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Is deadline in 20 minutes?
Could we get a current vote count?
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I’m here
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So from the last vote count, Clemens moved to Seprix, Faust to Skumpy then Awaclus, and DatSwan to me. So I think it looks like:
Witherweaver (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (2): Witherweaver, Awaclus, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (2): stevanzzo
Stevan needs to vote.
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With numbers fixed:
Witherweaver (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (3): Witherweaver, Awaclus, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (1): stevanzzo
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And it's five to lynch. So two people vote Seprix.
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Stevan, Raptor, Skumpy, DatSwan
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Fine.. Vote: seprix
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That's L-1.
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vote: seprix
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That’s L-1 and 7 min. Left
PPE hammer
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well I guess it could be worse.
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Somewhat odd that two people on WW were perfectly happy to move on his command.
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Somewhat odd that two people on WW were perfectly happy to move on his command.
Such power.
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Somewhat odd that two people on WW were perfectly happy to move on his command.
I had already said I would I would vote seprix to push and lynch. WW wasn’t going to vote himself. I didn’t know you were around+ you didn’t want to vote WW. And SC didn’t want to vote WW. I don’t think I had much of a choice
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Somewhat odd that two people on WW were perfectly happy to move on his command.
Would you of rathered no lynch?
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Virtual phone quote of Rator
Cant talk much much sry
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Well there was still time. 7 minutes early is not much, I can see that, but I would rather wait 5 more minutes to get my preferred lynch through.
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Also still no flip :(
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Pushing to right before deadline is dangerous; it has in the past resulted in no lynch scenarios.
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Vote: Seprix
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If my vote doesn't count, we just no lynched because I was voting for faust, not Seprix.
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That's bad :(
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thread locked.
a lord, the deck.
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D1 Final vote count
Witherweaver (1): DatSwan
Seprix (4): Witherweaver, SirClemens, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
faust (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (1): stevanzzo
with 9 alive, it would have taken 5 to lynch.
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night 1 starts.
shit r1ng, tats
please get all night actions in by 15:30 forum time on sunday, december 10.
recall:
for town PRs: to use your abilities, make some bolded indication as to who you want to target, after the night phase starts. for example, a doctor would say heal: schadd or protect: schadd or target: schadd, etc. any of those is fine long's i know what you're getting at.
for mafia folks: all the night actions happen in the shared thread, and either member can declare them. they would be in the same form, with the exception that you gotta say who does what. for example, on a team where i'm a roleblocker and my mom is a goon, it would go like:
schadd blocks our neighbor two houses down
schadd's mom kills the guy that lives across the street and keeps trying to recommend his weird online university to us
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also you bold in quicktopic with <b>[text]</b> idk if i've mentioned that
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faust has been killed in the night!
the fin inn: "a beast gets killed, huh?"
he was a town cop!
chow sweat? no, pa.
day 2 begins!
Vote count 2.0
not voting (8): SirClemens, DatSwan, Seprix, Witherweaver, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends sunday, december 17th at 15:30 forum time. thread unlocked
mod notes
- good podcast (https://www.npr.org/podcasts/527636117/nancy)
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Reads I made during the night, written down before D2.
Xxraptorslayer96:
- Townie, asking good questions, willing to change in order to get a lynch, not sure about his townslip
Awaclus
- Null, this is his usual Playstyle?
Skumpy
- Null – Townie, his first post seem to be him shattering under pressure and later psots are townie
Witherweaver
- Scummy? In retrospect, I feel like he was buddying me, he may made the mistake at the end on purpose to lower the chance of a lynch?
DatSwan
- Null – Townie, has few posts of good substance, but not much else
Seprix
- Null, nearly nothing yet, maybe being helpful isn’t part of his day 1 playstyle?
faust
- Townie, produced a lot of good content. I didn’t like his behaviour near the end of the day. (Wanting someone to claim, OMGUS vote)
stevanzzo
- Null - Scummy, I have yet see a good post from him, seems to be flying under the radar.
From Town to Scum: faust, raptor, DatSwan, Skumpy, Witherweaver if he wasn’t buddying me, Awaclus, Seprix, stevanzzo, Witherweaver if he was buddying me
PPE: schadd
note that you are in fact not allowed to post until i formally open the thread with the start-of-day post
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
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I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
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Sorry all, I have a 2000 word paper on something I dont know thats due tomorrow, so no comtent from me until then. Something something about me not lynching faust and something something about town PRs always dying N1 in my games.
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This is about as bad as it can get.
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Awaclus
- Null, this is his usual Playstyle?
Yes.
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I did not intentionally make a mistake on the vote count. I missed Awaclus' vote.
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I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
Was he online for any of it?
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Sorry all, I have a 2000 word paper on something I dont know thats due tomorrow, so no comtent from me until then. Something something about me not lynching faust and something something about town PRs always dying N1 in my games.
Weren't you claiming Faust was scum?
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Sorry all, I have a 2000 word paper on something I dont know thats due tomorrow, so no comtent from me until then. Something something about me not lynching faust and something something about town PRs always dying N1 in my games.
Weren't you claiming Faust was scum?
And wasn't he the one that wanted to lynch you?
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Vote: Seprix
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With numbers fixed:
Witherweaver (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (3): Witherweaver, Awaclus, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (1): stevanzzo
We need to consider this. WW went back and corrected his vote count and still got the fact that Awaclus was NOT on Seprix incorrect. For sure it could be a mistake, but also it doesn't have to be. Just saying.
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With numbers fixed:
Witherweaver (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (3): Witherweaver, Awaclus, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (1): stevanzzo
We need to consider this. WW went back and corrected his vote count and still got the fact that Awaclus was NOT on Seprix incorrect. For sure it could be a mistake, but also it doesn't have to be. Just saying.
I missed Awaclus' vote because I keep him on ignore and have to click "show" to see his posts. I looked back for all the votes scanning for bold font. I missed that he posted in there and didn't click in it to see it.
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Also anyone could have pointed out that I made a mistake.
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Before the deadline.
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OK here is what I got:
First and Foremost: Everyone should go back and review Faust as a known Town player.
And then here is this:
1) Prior to the final hour or so the votes ACTUALLY read:
WW(3): Swan, Raptor, Skumpy
Seprix(2) WW, SC
Stev(1): Seprix
Faust(1):Awaclus
Awaclus(1): Faust
NoVote(1): Stev
2) WW does a vote count and, whether accident or not, gets it wrong. Makes it read instead:
WW(3): Swan, Raptor, Skumpy
Seprix(3) WW, SC, Awaclus
Stev(1): Seprix
Awaclus(1): Faust
NoVote(1): Stev
Scenario 1: The miscount was on purpose and WW is Skum.
Why do it? - Protection obviously.
What does it mean? - This means that there is either 0 or 1 skum on WW and WW is skum and also that Seprix is most likely town I suppose. Not 100% on that last bit, if you are gonna mastermind a play like this you are absolutely able to do it as a bus pass off.
Scenario 2: The miscount was an accident. Which, for new people, does actually happen. Like even MODS do it.
If we are living in a world where people read the vote count that is a 3-3 wagon and think it is true, a few things stand out to me:
1) Swan - I wasn't on. I said I would be and I was wrong, you can go and check. Sorry.
2) Faust and Awaclus - Faust was town so whatever. Does not mean Awaclus is skum, as he can't know for sure and tbh Awaclus kind of just sticks with his vote no matter what.
---then the fun stuff---
3) Stev - He was here. like he even posts to point out that he is in fact present. But still no vote. That means either Stev is town and new and yadda yadda whatever... or Stev is skum and both WW and Seprix are probably skum. Latter probably more unlikely but worth pointing out.
4) Skumpy and XXR - Both switch pretty immediately from WW onto Seprix. I think that this most likely suggests that at least one of WW/Skumpy/XXR are skum. Personally I think it likely that more than one are skum, but lets just say for now 1/3 there for sure imo.
5) Seprix - Here is the tie together. Why in the hell would Sperix, who was present and posting while the wagon was 3-2 (told to be 3-3)... why would he NOT put WW at L-1? An answer from Seprix would be rad here... until I get that my assumption, and I think it has a lot of merit, is that a Skum team of WW/Seprix makes a ton of sense
All that being said.. Mistakes do happen. Right now I think it has to be up between the two of them.. So I am gonna strong push for Vote: Seprix
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With numbers fixed:
Witherweaver (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (3): Witherweaver, Awaclus, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
not voting (1): stevanzzo
We need to consider this. WW went back and corrected his vote count and still got the fact that Awaclus was NOT on Seprix incorrect. For sure it could be a mistake, but also it doesn't have to be. Just saying.
I missed Awaclus' vote because I keep him on ignore and have to click "show" to see his posts. I looked back for all the votes scanning for bold font. I missed that he posted in there and didn't click in it to see it.
This is the towniest thing anyone has ever said ever.
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Sorry about the confusion. I was actually on my way in that morning. Didn't realize he was asking "will stevanzzo be here for the deadline?" thought he was asking "anyone seen stevanzzo?" Deadlines are during my work day from the look of it, probably won't be there for any of them, if a vote is needed beforehand I'd need to know beforehand.
I posted that then ran to work for the day. I work leave for work around 9-9:20 and don't get back till 6:30 or so pm PST.
Also going to vote: DatSwan.
Because he just said "Seprix is most likely town" then followed up by voting for him.
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OK here is what I got:
First and Foremost: Everyone should go back and review Faust as a known Town player.
And then here is this:
1) Prior to the final hour or so the votes ACTUALLY read:
Scenario 1: The miscount was on purpose and WW is Skum.
Why do it? - Protection obviously.
What does it mean? - This means that there is either 0 or 1 skum on WW and WW is skum and also that Seprix is most likely town I suppose. Not 100% on that last bit, if you are gonna mastermind a play like this you are absolutely able to do it as a bus pass off.
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All that being said.. Mistakes do happen. Right now I think it has to be up between the two of them.. So I am gonna strong push for Vote: Seprix
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Sorry about the confusion. I was actually on my way in that morning. Didn't realize he was asking "will stevanzzo be here for the deadline?" thought he was asking "anyone seen stevanzzo?" Deadlines are during my work day from the look of it, probably won't be there for any of them, if a vote is needed beforehand I'd need to know beforehand.
I posted that then ran to work for the day. I work leave for work around 9-9:20 and don't get back till 6:30 or so pm PST.
Also going to vote: DatSwan.
Because he just said "Seprix is most likely town" then followed up by voting for him.
first: if you are town you need to re read my last post
second: yes, you should probably vote prior to your start of day if you are unavailable at deadline. happens to all, but at least that way your voice is heard.
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Standard Set up Post:
Faust was a Cop. Only line ups with cop were:
1) Skum has Role Blocker. We had a Cop, and either a Neo or a Doctor is still with us. Cop is now dead (so if you are a Neo or a Doc keep it to yourself, but note there is a Skum Role Blocker).
2) Skum has Role Cop = We had a Cop, and a Tracker is still with us. Cop is now dead (so if you are a Tracker it to yourself, but note there is a Skum Role Cop).
3) Skum has nothing = We had a Cop. No other Town roles. No other Skum Roles.
Since we were unfortunate to only lose a PR going into D2 we have left the ultimate door open for fake claims. Skum could claim anything with their knowledge at this point and we would not be able to point it out.
Reasoning:
- If we have Column 1 claim (Neo or Doc), we don't know if they are lying and we assuming one way or another their may be a skum RB.
- If we have Column 2 claim (tracker), we don't if they are lying and we assuming one way or another there may be a skum RC.
- If we have Column 3 claim... I mean I guess we learn that there is nothing, but that doesn't seem valuable in comparison.
There should be no claims at this point imo. All claims only have a skummy side to them. Town really gets nothing out of it, and skum learns a PR or gains a chance to fake claim. If someone finds a fault in this logic speak up now please.
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I am also correcting the obvious flaw in my aforementioned WW/Seprix team logic. I do believe that Seprix is a good vote, but if he is skum, it would be unlikely that WW is also skum. I fell ill to my own "scenario" situation.
No OMGUS. Seprix is my pick... but it also doesn't paint a good light on Stev.
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I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time. I'm probably going to be working at every deadline to be honest. Joining a Mafia game may have been a bad idea.
WW miscounted on purpose. He wanted to see who was going to pseudohammer and make a hard read on it. And so I am going to go Town read here for WW. DatSwan is making interesting arguments, he is safe for now.
Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
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Currently stuDYING. I will post all thoughts after exam tomorrow.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
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I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time.
I think Swan is wondering why you didn’t vote WW in this post:
I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
I see Swan’s reasoning. Vote: Seprix
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note that you are in fact not allowed to post until i formally open the thread with the start-of-day post
Sorry, but didn’t I post after you made that post? There is no last edited timestamp at your opening post, so my post was posted 47 secconds after the day started. The PPE there signals that I ignore the nightkill and it’s implications in that post.
oh yeah you didn't do anything wrong. just the fact that you ppe'd me made it seem like you were planning to post regardless of whether i unlocked
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Going to be away for a while.
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I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time.
I think Swan is wondering why you didn’t vote WW in this post:
I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
I see Swan’s reasoning. Vote: Seprix
Because I didn't think WW was scum and I still don't? I'm not going to lynch a guy I think is town.
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Vote count 2.1
Seprix (2): Awaclus, SirClemens
DatSwan (1):stevanzzo
Awaclus (1): Seprix
not voting (4) : DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, Witherweaver
with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 2 sunday, december 17th at 15:30 forum time. thread unlocked
mod notes
- smiles like teen spirit (http://computervsworld.tumblr.com/post/141688124523/enjoy-this-new-funstep-cover-of-classic-sadness) - major key midi version
mod quotes
note that you are in fact not allowed to post until i formally open the thread with the start-of-day post
Sorry, but didn’t I post after you made that post? There is no last edited timestamp at your opening post, so my post was posted 47 secconds after the day started. The PPE there signals that I ignore the nightkill and it’s implications in that post.
oh yeah you didn't do anything wrong. just the fact that you ppe'd me made it seem like you were planning to post regardless of whether i unlocked
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Schadd- vote check. I don’t see WW voting for anyone since start of day?
whops
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
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Sorry all, I have a 2000 word paper on something I dont know thats due tomorrow, so no comtent from me until then. Something something about me not lynching faust and something something about town PRs always dying N1 in my games.
Weren't you claiming Faust was scum?
And wasn't he the one that wanted to lynch you?
I suppose he's the one. You could also argue there were 5, including yourself. It took one game with him for me to realize he was someone I was going to accuse a lot, probably incorrectly most of the time. Yet through 3 games, I still haven't actually lynched him yet, somehow. I feel like what you're trying to do is guilt me into feeling stupid so that I lose confidence in my vote for you. It's half-working because faust really wasn't at the top of my list by the end of yesterday, but I'm still going to temporarily move everyone back to null because it was an interesting D1, and I'm not going to act rashly here.
As for him getting killed, either it's because he's a huge threat who catches onto the scheming quickly (well, maybe not always, from what I've seen) or because his reads were good. I know one was wrong (Skumpster), so that's going to make me reexamine SC. In my quick D1 readthrough, I'm not as sold on his townliness as I once was.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
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I'm going to give WW the benefit of the doubt and say the votecount was a mistake, I can buy the explanation regardless of alignment. If it's intentional scum play to make Seprix look like an equal target, then it runs a big risk of anybody going back to look like a page before and see it's wrong. How nobody caught it, I don't know.
OK here is what I got:
First and Foremost: Everyone should go back and review Faust as a known Town player.
WW(3): Swan, Raptor, Skumpy
Seprix(3) WW, SC, Awaclus
Stev(1): Seprix
Awaclus(1): Faust
NoVote(1): Stev
Scenario 2: The miscount was an accident. Which, for new people, does actually happen. Like even MODS do it.
If we are living in a world where people read the vote count that is a 3-3 wagon and think it is true, a few things stand out to me:
1) Swan - I wasn't on. I said I would be and I was wrong, you can go and check. Sorry.
2) Faust and Awaclus - Faust was town so whatever. Does not mean Awaclus is skum, as he can't know for sure and tbh Awaclus kind of just sticks with his vote no matter what.
---then the fun stuff---
3) Stev - He was here. like he even posts to point out that he is in fact present. But still no vote. That means either Stev is town and new and yadda yadda whatever... or Stev is skum and both WW and Seprix are probably skum. Latter probably more unlikely but worth pointing out.
4) Skumpy and XXR - Both switch pretty immediately from WW onto Seprix. I think that this most likely suggests that at least one of WW/Skumpy/XXR are skum. Personally I think it likely that more than one are skum, but lets just say for now 1/3 there for sure imo.
5) Seprix - Here is the tie together. Why in the hell would Sperix, who was present and posting while the wagon was 3-2 (told to be 3-3)... why would he NOT put WW at L-1? An answer from Seprix would be rad here... until I get that my assumption, and I think it has a lot of merit, is that a Skum team of WW/Seprix makes a ton of sense
All that being said.. Mistakes do happen. Right now I think it has to be up between the two of them.. So I am gonna strong push for Vote: Seprix
3) I don't get it: HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET THE SETUP WRONG D2, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEBODY JUST DID IT THE DAY BEFORE? Like, did you just completely miss the Raptor misread yesterday? You have to know there's only 2 scum if you're town, you even went back and looked at the setup chart D1 to crank possibilities. But you also wouldn't try something this bold again if you're scum, which is why it's a great reason to.
4) I don't follow. With 3-3 (or so we thought) before the lynch, somebody's going to have to flip to make the lynch happen. Raptor does with less than 10 minutes left. I follow right after without having any time to look through anything, all I see is L-1. You'd have done the same thing as me. As for Raptor, I don't consider the flip scummy or towny, though it's interesting that it's a total turnaround from what he did D2 in 110. I do consider it as a sign to discount the Raptor/WW team (and Skumpy/WW too, while you're at it :D) because I can't imagine scum leaving a teammate so close to a day 1 lynch for no good reason. If the game was like 10-3, then maybe. But to go into N2 1 vs 7 and having to deal with a Cop/Jailkeeper/Tracker, or whatever there is, that's just flat out unwinnable. For similar reasons, I'd lean away from a Raptor/Seprix team, though if it's known you're around and you don't flip, that's a bad look. But still much safer than lynching a teammate.
5) I don't know why Seprix wouldn't flip. But if's a team, then why would WW leave a vote camped on Seprix for so long, when there were plenty of other wagons to choose from? He even acknowledged he could switch to a lot of other people. So no...I think a WW/Seprix team makes no sense, actually. 8) (And after reading ahead, I see DatSwan corrrected himself. OK then)
At the claims - obviously we're not claiming today, but if it's Column A or B, then scum can't fakeclaim because the town PR would know they're lying, and we'd get down to a lynchpool of 2. Not a terrible idea for scum, I guess, but it's moot anyways.
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time. I'm probably going to be working at every deadline to be honest. Joining a Mafia game may have been a bad idea.
WW miscounted on purpose. He wanted to see who was going to pseudohammer and make a hard read on it. And so I am going to go Town read here for WW. DatSwan is making interesting arguments, he is safe for now.
Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Haven't you commentated matches at like 4 in the morning? Like, you're usually around, and it's not hard to quickly check in and make a post. I can relate to it being stupid to join mafia though.
The problem with assuming the miscount was intentional is that there's no way that nobody's going to catch him. Yet somehow, nobody caught him.
The Awaclus novote is a great play if he's trying to protect a teammate. That would be you. If he's scum, he makes sure you're dead.
Currently stuDYING. I will post all thoughts after exam tomorrow.
I thought you were another 30-year-old swim coach. Are you not? (I love prying into people's affairs!)
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time.
I think Swan is wondering why you didn’t vote WW in this post:
I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
I see Swan’s reasoning. Vote: Seprix
Because I didn't think WW was scum and I still don't? I'm not going to lynch a guy I think is town.
Well this is in direct opposition to what you said yesterday. So much for D1s are impossible to read.
I was going to vote SirClemens. Then I was going to vote DatSwan. Then I was going to vote Seprix. Now I have no idea. I think there's a lot of good juicy tidbits we got from the D1 vote. Which I will collect later. There is something seriously wrong if Awaclus is making the most sense here. And now I want to vote Awaclus.
...I'll figure it out.
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
Could you expand on this? What exactly do you mean by WW 'buddying' you? That he read you as town?
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
If you need second opinions about your Witherweaver theory, vote for Witherweaver until he explains why it's wrong. Better yet, do that before you have told him what that theory is, but unfortunately it's already too late for that.
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
Could you expand on this? What exactly do you mean by WW 'buddying' you? That he read you as town?
I think the answer is just sheep Faust. And if that doesn't work, then lynch Faust.
He is implicitly reinforcing my older decision, making me feel good without doing something obvious that could be brushed off as a joke. That would lead me to get a better feeling when reading his posts, which I had for the rest of day 1.
Reply 177, 241, 244, 245, 256 all have him read me correctly as town, which is easier if someone is aware that this is my alignment. faust is also a good player, but had my alignment wrong, unlike WW.
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
If you need second opinions about your Witherweaver theory, vote for Witherweaver until he explains why it's wrong. Better yet, do that before you have told him what that theory is, but unfortunately it's already too late for that.
I’ll try to remember this next time. Vote: Witherweaver
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I have to go reread, mostly Faust’s interacts from D1.
I still think I like the WW or Stevan vote. People like the Seprix vote. But maybe Faust was on to something voting Skumpy.
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Currently stuDYING. I will post all thoughts after exam tomorrow.
I thought you were another 30-year-old swim coach. Are you not? (I love prying into people's affairs)
I am in fact a Swim Coach, and if you ask the children I teach how out I am, they would probably guess between 30yo and 60yo.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
I didn't say fake... something on your mind champ?
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vote: Seprix
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
I didn't say fake... something on your mind champ?
Seprix said fake. If you know that Seprix didn't really mean fake when he said fake, then I'm interested to hear how you know that.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
I didn't say fake... something on your mind champ?
Seprix said fake. If you know that Seprix didn't really mean fake when he said fake, then I'm interested to hear how you know that.
All i said is “i didn’t say fake”. I’m fact you have completely disregarded my point and created your own tangent about, as usual, nothing.
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Can we please talk about something useful so we don't no-lynch again?
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Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
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This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
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Vote: stevanzzo
Need second opinions about my Witherweaver theory.
Could you expand on this? What exactly do you mean by WW 'buddying' you? That he read you as town?
I think the answer is just sheep Faust. And if that doesn't work, then lynch Faust.
He is implicitly reinforcing my older decision, making me feel good without doing something obvious that could be brushed off as a joke. That would lead me to get a better feeling when reading his posts, which I had for the rest of day 1.
Reply 177, 241, 244, 245, 256 all have him read me correctly as town, which is easier if someone is aware that this is my alignment. faust is also a good player, but had my alignment wrong, unlike WW.
I was getting set during the start of the day to reverse my read on SC because I wanted to trust faust was right about something and a lot of SC's day 1 posts could be seen as SCumSC doing just enough to slide past. Also because a WW/SC team was starting to make a whole lot of sense, where SC parks a vote on Seprix and does not want to move to WW.
Until I see this post.
Because this is exactly what you as say as town the first game. If you're scum seeing somebody misread you as town the first game, you think "mwahaha, the poor simpleton!" (probably me this game, so this will be ironic). You DON'T accuse the person who's trying to get your off the chopping block. And if you're town...I totally relate to mistrusting those who trust me, even though it turned out that my instincts were wrong. This could be genius scum play...but I have to think town for now. Though I guess a SC/WW team is still quite possible.
Raptor: I'd normally be afraid of his buddy buddy game with me and making a big show of being against the quickhammer. But I don't think Raptor can go all the way from the 110 play to that plus intentionally misreading setup.
Stevanzzo: It's very laid back posting. I wonder if this is scum not wanting to do anything so as to not attract attention, but #166 gives me pause because it's self-aware and has a little pep to it.
Seprix: I don't think he's teamed with WW because why then would WW be voting for him so long. So why not vote WW? You have to make sure you're not lynched. If Seprix is town...great that you don't think WW is scum, you're still flirting with disaster, you need to give the hatchet. If he's scum...then he doesn't vote because he doesn't want to be part of a mislynch? It was 3-2, he's there a couple hours before the lynch. Does he know there's a scum who will be there by deadline that can help?
Witherweaver: Seprix is right, it really is a lot empty nothing that isn't giving away much. But I have to think he has to know this doesn't fly as scum. Right? It's almost too casual for scum. And at the end of the day, there were 3 votes on him and the vote swung to Seprix. If he's not teamed with Seprix (see above), who does that leave? Stevanzzo, SC, and Awaclus. Lynching WW if he's scum is insanely beneficial because I don't think there's many possibilities left for the partner. But going by probability, it's unlikely he's scum since there's so many teams that can be ruled out. I kind of want to take the Battleship approach here where you only shoot the diagonals (I'm giving away the Battleship secrets!) in order to eliminate squares altogether, by clearing all possible teams. Not enough time for that, so maybe that's incredibly dumb.
DatSwan: Crazy idea that's wrong but am convinced is right in the midst of an "I-know-everything-and-am-about-to-be-humbled": DatSwan-Seprix team? For Swan himself, I am getting more of a sense of that 110 pardner than the 105 Swan who finds ways to write really townie stuff. And he's gone waaaaay under the radar, which I know from experience is a good scum marker. In fact, we should figure out who the most inattention-receiving player is, they're probably scum.
Who am I missing? Oh right. Awaclus. Being nice and helpful and out of character by being sensible. And giving up on the Raptor tunnel.
Vote: Awaclus
I do think WW/SC and Seprix/DatSwan teams should be getting some attention. If scum doesn't want to bus D1 and risk getting a mislynch...then they definitely have by now (the first part, that is). And because I really don't think SC is scum and because if he's not, then WW is really unlikely to be scum... then I'd say conjecture Awaclus/DatSwan/Seprix contains a scum and is where I'd be most willing to vote today. So my overall order now is:
1. Awaclus
2. DatSwan
3. Seprix
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4. WW
5. SC
6. Stevanzzo
7. faust
8. Raptor
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I'm going to give WW the benefit of the doubt and say the votecount was a mistake, I can buy the explanation regardless of alignment. If it's intentional scum play to make Seprix look like an equal target, then it runs a big risk of anybody going back to look like a page before and see it's wrong. How nobody caught it, I don't know.
OK here is what I got:
First and Foremost: Everyone should go back and review Faust as a known Town player.
WW(3): Swan, Raptor, Skumpy
Seprix(3) WW, SC, Awaclus
Stev(1): Seprix
Awaclus(1): Faust
NoVote(1): Stev
Scenario 2: The miscount was an accident. Which, for new people, does actually happen. Like even MODS do it.
If we are living in a world where people read the vote count that is a 3-3 wagon and think it is true, a few things stand out to me:
1) Swan - I wasn't on. I said I would be and I was wrong, you can go and check. Sorry.
2) Faust and Awaclus - Faust was town so whatever. Does not mean Awaclus is skum, as he can't know for sure and tbh Awaclus kind of just sticks with his vote no matter what.
---then the fun stuff---
3) Stev - He was here. like he even posts to point out that he is in fact present. But still no vote. That means either Stev is town and new and yadda yadda whatever... or Stev is skum and both WW and Seprix are probably skum. Latter probably more unlikely but worth pointing out.
4) Skumpy and XXR - Both switch pretty immediately from WW onto Seprix. I think that this most likely suggests that at least one of WW/Skumpy/XXR are skum. Personally I think it likely that more than one are skum, but lets just say for now 1/3 there for sure imo.
5) Seprix - Here is the tie together. Why in the hell would Sperix, who was present and posting while the wagon was 3-2 (told to be 3-3)... why would he NOT put WW at L-1? An answer from Seprix would be rad here... until I get that my assumption, and I think it has a lot of merit, is that a Skum team of WW/Seprix makes a ton of sense
All that being said.. Mistakes do happen. Right now I think it has to be up between the two of them.. So I am gonna strong push for Vote: Seprix
3) I don't get it: HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET THE SETUP WRONG D2, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEBODY JUST DID IT THE DAY BEFORE? Like, did you just completely miss the Raptor misread yesterday? You have to know there's only 2 scum if you're town, you even went back and looked at the setup chart D1 to crank possibilities. But you also wouldn't try something this bold again if you're scum, which is why it's a great reason to.
4) I don't follow. With 3-3 (or so we thought) before the lynch, somebody's going to have to flip to make the lynch happen. Raptor does with less than 10 minutes left. I follow right after without having any time to look through anything, all I see is L-1. You'd have done the same thing as me. As for Raptor, I don't consider the flip scummy or towny, though it's interesting that it's a total turnaround from what he did D2 in 110. I do consider it as a sign to discount the Raptor/WW team (and Skumpy/WW too, while you're at it :D) because I can't imagine scum leaving a teammate so close to a day 1 lynch for no good reason. If the game was like 10-3, then maybe. But to go into N2 1 vs 7 and having to deal with a Cop/Jailkeeper/Tracker, or whatever there is, that's just flat out unwinnable. For similar reasons, I'd lean away from a Raptor/Seprix team, though if it's known you're around and you don't flip, that's a bad look. But still much safer than lynching a teammate.
5) I don't know why Seprix wouldn't flip. But if's a team, then why would WW leave a vote camped on Seprix for so long, when there were plenty of other wagons to choose from? He even acknowledged he could switch to a lot of other people. So no...I think a WW/Seprix team makes no sense, actually. 8) (And after reading ahead, I see DatSwan corrrected himself. OK then)
At the claims - obviously we're not claiming today, but if it's Column A or B, then scum can't fakeclaim because the town PR would know they're lying, and we'd get down to a lynchpool of 2. Not a terrible idea for scum, I guess, but it's moot anyways.
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time. I'm probably going to be working at every deadline to be honest. Joining a Mafia game may have been a bad idea.
WW miscounted on purpose. He wanted to see who was going to pseudohammer and make a hard read on it. And so I am going to go Town read here for WW. DatSwan is making interesting arguments, he is safe for now.
Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Haven't you commentated matches at like 4 in the morning? Like, you're usually around, and it's not hard to quickly check in and make a post. I can relate to it being stupid to join mafia though.
The problem with assuming the miscount was intentional is that there's no way that nobody's going to catch him. Yet somehow, nobody caught him.
The Awaclus novote is a great play if he's trying to protect a teammate. That would be you. If he's scum, he makes sure you're dead.
Currently stuDYING. I will post all thoughts after exam tomorrow.
I thought you were another 30-year-old swim coach. Are you not? (I love prying into people's affairs!)
I think the fact that seprix would not put WW at L-1 while he himself was the alternative lynch. If you know you are Town you narrow it down right? Even if he was 99.99998889% sure WW Town, you still go for it as defense if you are 100% sure you are Town...
Does that make sense?
I was at work the entire time.
I think Swan is wondering why you didn’t vote WW in this post:
I'm not sure why my wagon is a thing.
You still like your vote?
I mean yeah but it's clearly not happening so I'll have to find another good candidate.
I see Swan’s reasoning. Vote: Seprix
Because I didn't think WW was scum and I still don't? I'm not going to lynch a guy I think is town.
Well this is in direct opposition to what you said yesterday. So much for D1s are impossible to read.
I was going to vote SirClemens. Then I was going to vote DatSwan. Then I was going to vote Seprix. Now I have no idea. I think there's a lot of good juicy tidbits we got from the D1 vote. Which I will collect later. There is something seriously wrong if Awaclus is making the most sense here. And now I want to vote Awaclus.
...I'll figure it out.
I don't remember the order of all your stuff, but here is this:
- Obviously I meant OR and not AND for the team setup scenario.
- I posted like 10 seconds after posting this quote that I realize there was a flaw in my logic regarding the WW and Seprix team, but still believed Seprix was a good vote.
- There was other stuff but it was all general. Either way the last one point would be that if you agree with me on fact that it is wierd Seprix didn't switch you should vote for Seprix.
-Lastly, not an excuse... as I am not in school I cannot claim "finals" like all the LAZY PEOPLE (Raptor....), but I was like in 3 games at the same time. Now I am not so I should be more present.
Gonna do re reads and summarize the posts in relation to faust. But it will start tomorrow.
Can we get a VC please when you have a moment Schadd?
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I love how Skumpy's list had Raptor as more likely to be town then Faust. Wondering if that was intentional or not? Probably not.
I still like my vote after rereading the post, once I noticed it the first time I can't read that post any other way.
Deadline is still a ways off maybe I'll change my mind before then.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
I didn't say fake... something on your mind champ?
Seprix said fake. If you know that Seprix didn't really mean fake when he said fake, then I'm interested to hear how you know that.
All i said is “i didn’t say fake”. I’m fact you have completely disregarded my point and created your own tangent about, as usual, nothing.
You said "Your actions based off of the constant are what [Seprix] is questioning here". If you're trying to explain to me what Seprix said, then you are saying everything he said by extension.
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Who am I missing? Oh right. Awaclus. Being nice and helpful and out of character by being sensible. And giving up on the Raptor tunnel.
Being helpful and being sensible are not out of character for me, and I had no other choice but to give up on the Raptor tunnel because Raptor wasn't reacting to it and nobody was joining it.
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Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
What actions? I didn't fake voting for Seprix. I was as open about voting for faust as one can reasonably be expected.
I didn't say fake... something on your mind champ?
Seprix said fake. If you know that Seprix didn't really mean fake when he said fake, then I'm interested to hear how you know that.
All i said is “i didn’t say fake”. I’m fact you have completely disregarded my point and created your own tangent about, as usual, nothing.
You said "Your actions based off of the constant are what [Seprix] is questioning here". If you're trying to explain to me what Seprix said, then you are saying everything he said by extension.
False.
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False.
It's not false. Here's the evidence:
Vote: Awaclus for being deliberately deceptive. He knew he wasn't voting for me with WW's post, and deliberately faked it so Town got a no lynch D1. That is exactly the play he would make, and realizing it magically right as the deadline happens? Shady.
Yeah, sure, I deliberately ended up on WW's ignore list so that he wouldn't notice my vote on faust. Makes complete sense, that must be exactly what happened.
.. wasn’t the point he was making. The vc could of been altered for any number of reasons... purpose, mistake, inconveniently timed bear attack... whatever. Your actions based off of the constant are what he is questioning here.
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Can you two like stop and talk about something that's not stupid?
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Not gonna lie, this post is just to escape a prod.
But I might as well be somewhat productive.
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Can you two like stop and talk about something that's not stupid?
It seems like they are trying to get on the same page, which is not stupid.
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talk about something that's not stupid?
Well, we are talking about you.
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Vote count 2.2
Seprix (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
DatSwan (1): stevanzzo
Witherweaver (2): SirClemens, Seprix
Awaclus (1): Skumpy
not voting (2) : Xxraptorslayer96, Witherweaver
with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 2 sunday, december 17th at 15:30 forum time. thread unlocked
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Well the big thing that I got from day 1 was that Faust was not a fan of Skumpy. But I couldn’t figure out why. But maybe he was on to something?
Skimpy doesn’t seem to be too concerned of me buddying him, but I’m concerned of him buddying me. This does seem like something that he would do. I made it easy for him, helping save him D1.
( I’m watching you skumpy)
Faust was also on awaclus, which was probably just because it was awaclus.
He was also on Seprix. And I think this was because he wasn’t really contibting at the time?
This is only helpful if you think that Faust was killed because he was on to scum.
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-Lastly, not an excuse... as I am not in school I cannot claim "finals" like all the LAZY PEOPLE (Raptor....), but I was like in 3 games at the same time. Now I am not so I should be more present.
Because posting in the forum is such a productive activity? How dare I study before posting.
And I guess that means we will Be expect more content from you?
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Who am I missing? Oh right. Awaclus. Being nice and helpful and out of character by being sensible. And giving up on the Raptor tunnel.
Being helpful and being sensible are not out of character for me, and I had no other choice but to give up on the Raptor tunnel because Raptor wasn't reacting to it and nobody was joining it.
My reaction: why?
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Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
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This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
Why do you find it interesting?
I strongly agree with your vote.
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Well the big thing that I got from day 1 was that Faust was not a fan of Skumpy. But I couldn’t figure out why. But maybe he was on to something?
Skimpy doesn’t seem to be too concerned of me buddying him, but I’m concerned of him buddying me. This does seem like something that he would do. I made it easy for him, helping save him D1.
( I’m watching you skumpy)
Faust was also on awaclus, which was probably just because it was awaclus.
He was also on Seprix. And I think this was because he wasn’t really contibting at the time?
This is only helpful if you think that Faust was killed because he was on to scum.
Faust was probably killed for PR hunting reasons.
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Who am I missing? Oh right. Awaclus. Being nice and helpful and out of character by being sensible. And giving up on the Raptor tunnel.
Being helpful and being sensible are not out of character for me, and I had no other choice but to give up on the Raptor tunnel because Raptor wasn't reacting to it and nobody was joining it.
My reaction: why?
Why not?
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Well the big thing that I got from day 1 was that Faust was not a fan of Skumpy. But I couldn’t figure out why. But maybe he was on to something?
Skimpy doesn’t seem to be too concerned of me buddying him, but I’m concerned of him buddying me. This does seem like something that he would do. I made it easy for him, helping save him D1.
( I’m watching you skumpy)
Faust was also on awaclus, which was probably just because it was awaclus.
He was also on Seprix. And I think this was because he wasn’t really contibting at the time?
This is only helpful if you think that Faust was killed because he was on to scum.
Faust was probably killed for PR hunting reasons.
Makes sense, what do you think made him stick out as a PR?
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Who am I missing? Oh right. Awaclus. Being nice and helpful and out of character by being sensible. And giving up on the Raptor tunnel.
Being helpful and being sensible are not out of character for me, and I had no other choice but to give up on the Raptor tunnel because Raptor wasn't reacting to it and nobody was joining it.
My reaction: why?
Why not?
At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
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At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
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At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Ohhh that makes so much sense now.
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At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Ohhh that makes so much sense now.
Glad I could be of help!
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At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Scummiest thing ever.
At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Ohhh that makes so much sense now.
I stand corrected.
At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Ohhh that makes so much sense now.
Glad I could be of help!
...I feel like I'm watching a passive aggressive fight.
Couple's passively aggressively fight.
Couple's live in towns.
These are townies. You cannot deny it is the best logic.
Now if only I could read the rest of you as easily...
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@Swan in 357: No problem with most of that. I agree that it's weird Seprix doesn't switch (he gives an explanation that's probably true if he's town, but it's not a very good one), but if he's not teamed with WW, as we both seem to agree, then what's the incentive for not voting WW as scum?
Well the big thing that I got from day 1 was that Faust was not a fan of Skumpy. But I couldn’t figure out why. But maybe he was on to something?
Skimpy doesn’t seem to be too concerned of me buddying him, but I’m concerned of him buddying me. This does seem like something that he would do. I made it easy for him, helping save him D1.
( I’m watching you skumpy)
Faust was also on awaclus, which was probably just because it was awaclus.
He was also on Seprix. And I think this was because he wasn’t really contibting at the time?
This is only helpful if you think that Faust was killed because he was on to scum.
This game is hard, and I am very hesitant to move anyone from townie to town. But you're getting privileges because you've been active, very engaged, and are putting out many reads and stances. You're not playing cold-blooded and methodical, you're just putting everything out there as you see it, face value. This doesn't match your past town or scum play, but as scum you were incredibly tentative to go out on a limb on anyone, and any fake reads you made were easily justified. I'm sure you've improved...but I still don't think it matches up. I do have some worries about this being a master con and Super Dino play. But there's so many more scummy people that at bare minimum, I'm not voting Raptor now. (And I'm fine with that, I'd love to save on car insurance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LQWQEyD8w))
Don't forget he was scumreading Clemens hard, and was I think the only person to do so. If faust was killed for reads (big if), then why would he be picked out of many who probably said something against a scum at point? Either he had multiple good picks (not me, so like 2 of SC/Seprix/Awaclus) or almost nobody was suspicious of the second scum (so like Raptor/Swan). That doesn't help much, I know. I'd agree with the PR hunting, but that's not something I'm going to read back to figure out because that would be a monumental waste of my time.
...I feel like I'm watching a passive aggressive fight.
Couple's passively aggressively fight.
Couple's live in towns.
These are townies. You cannot deny it is the best logic.
Ahh, but can couples not ALSO live on a farm?
It's standard Awaclus, but standard is not equal to town. It feels so wrong to dismiss this as "Oh, it's just Awaclus being Awaclus". I haven't knowingly played against scumAwaclus yet, but I'd imagine his meta is super easy to fake. Just vote somebody that ends up being town, ignore all questions directed towards you, don't bother reading other people, and poof! Despite saying that...this does feel different than 110. There's more effort this time around. It's a vote nobody has a problem with, but nobody wants to act on.
Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
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This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
Why do you find it interesting?
I strongly agree with your vote.
If WW is scum, who do you think the partner is?
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@stevanzzo: if you're getting captchas every time you try to post you should post once in this thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18043.msg738131#new)
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@Swan in 357: No problem with most of that. I agree that it's weird Seprix doesn't switch (he gives an explanation that's probably true if he's town, but it's not a very good one), but if he's not teamed with WW, as we both seem to agree, then what's the incentive for not voting WW as scum?
Well the big thing that I got from day 1 was that Faust was not a fan of Skumpy. But I couldn’t figure out why. But maybe he was on to something?
Skimpy doesn’t seem to be too concerned of me buddying him, but I’m concerned of him buddying me. This does seem like something that he would do. I made it easy for him, helping save him D1.
( I’m watching you skumpy)
Faust was also on awaclus, which was probably just because it was awaclus.
He was also on Seprix. And I think this was because he wasn’t really contibting at the time?
This is only helpful if you think that Faust was killed because he was on to scum.
This game is hard, and I am very hesitant to move anyone from townie to town. But you're getting privileges because you've been active, very engaged, and are putting out many reads and stances. You're not playing cold-blooded and methodical, you're just putting everything out there as you see it, face value. This doesn't match your past town or scum play, but as scum you were incredibly tentative to go out on a limb on anyone, and any fake reads you made were easily justified. I'm sure you've improved...but I still don't think it matches up. I do have some worries about this being a master con and Super Dino play. But there's so many more scummy people that at bare minimum, I'm not voting Raptor now. (And I'm fine with that, I'd love to save on car insurance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91LQWQEyD8w))
Don't forget he was scumreading Clemens hard, and was I think the only person to do so. If faust was killed for reads (big if), then why would he be picked out of many who probably said something against a scum at point? Either he had multiple good picks (not me, so like 2 of SC/Seprix/Awaclus) or almost nobody was suspicious of the second scum (so like Raptor/Swan). That doesn't help much, I know. I'd agree with the PR hunting, but that's not something I'm going to read back to figure out because that would be a monumental waste of my time.
...I feel like I'm watching a passive aggressive fight.
Couple's passively aggressively fight.
Couple's live in towns.
These are townies. You cannot deny it is the best logic.
Ahh, but can couples not ALSO live on a farm?
It's standard Awaclus, but standard is not equal to town. It feels so wrong to dismiss this as "Oh, it's just Awaclus being Awaclus". I haven't knowingly played against scumAwaclus yet, but I'd imagine his meta is super easy to fake. Just vote somebody that ends up being town, ignore all questions directed towards you, don't bother reading other people, and poof! Despite saying that...this does feel different than 110. There's more effort this time around. It's a vote nobody has a problem with, but nobody wants to act on.
Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
Why do you find it interesting?
I strongly agree with your vote.
If WW is scum, who do you think the partner is?
In regards to WW/Seprix:
I am not saying that I do not think WW is skum for sure. I just think that if I combine that one key play with the overall play and observations so far, I weigh the liklihood more on Seprix than I do on WW. If I had to guess a TEAM (which, don't do this for reads right now, just saying) it is going to be like Seprix/Active/Unactive. Seprix/WW makes sense, but I still think it could be Seprix and another player. Pretty much, if WW flips skum, while it increases the likilhood that Seprix is as well, I am still on the fence about WW when looking at him alone. Whereas if we lynch Seprix and he is skum, it almost def means WW is skum. So we find 2 for 1 and I think on stand alone details Seprix more likely.
Awaclus:
Whatever, I agree with what you said pretty much.
WW team:
As mentioned above, I think this is the reverse order to be thinking about this in. Advantage of empty posting for someone that posts a bit is that he could of been town just attempting to keep things rolling or he could be skum giving the easy interaction points.
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At the time I thought I was being more helpful then most. End day was approaching and I had no one else on me at all. Was there something scummy that I did? Would you like to question something that I did? I feel like I’ve been an open book. So again, why?
Because reasons.
Ohhh that makes so much sense now.
Glad I could be of help!
Unhelpful as always. And since he acts like this regardless of alignment because it is in his very nature to act like this, it's virtually impossible to read him. Which is exactly what he wants. Ugh. And so the argument that this is two Townies fighting is pretty much out the window. Two people fighting does not always a double town make.
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In regards to WW/Seprix:
I am not saying that I do not think WW is skum for sure. I just think that if I combine that one key play with the overall play and observations so far, I weigh the liklihood more on Seprix than I do on WW. If I had to guess a TEAM (which, don't do this for reads right now, just saying) it is going to be like Seprix/Active/Unactive. Seprix/WW makes sense, but I still think it could be Seprix and another player. Pretty much, if WW flips skum, while it increases the likilhood that Seprix is as well, I am still on the fence about WW when looking at him alone. Whereas if we lynch Seprix and he is skum, it almost def means WW is skum. So we find 2 for 1 and I think on stand alone details Seprix more likely.
Clearly something's being lost in translation.
You're saying Seprix=scum --> WW=scum
I'm saying there's very little chance of a Seprix/WW team. If one is lynched and is scum, I'd say that pretty much vindicates the other.
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this does feel different than 110. There's more effort this time around
That's because it's a smaller game.
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Unhelpful as always. And since he acts like this regardless of alignment because it is in his very nature to act like this, it's virtually impossible to read him.
No, the reason why it's virtually impossible to read me is that you keep trying to read people based on how they act, which is a pretty bad idea because people can act a certain way for a multitude of reasons.
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Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
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Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
Why do you find it interesting?
I strongly agree with your vote.
So strongly that you don’t follow?
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Unhelpful as always. And since he acts like this regardless of alignment because it is in his very nature to act like this, it's virtually impossible to read him.
No, the reason why it's virtually impossible to read me is that you keep trying to read people based on how they act, which is a pretty bad idea because people can act a certain way for a multitude of reasons.
Should we read them based off facial expressions?
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Should we read them based off facial expressions?
No. As fun as it is to pretend that you can tell what's going on inside someone's head based on their behavior, we should stop with the pseudoscience and focus on things that human beings can actually do, i.e. detecting inconsistencies in someone's town narrative. A classic example is a 2v1 where player A is trying to convince player B that player C is scum — this is the point at which player B, who is town, can tell that player A is really the scum because town!A couldn't blindly trust B to be town.
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Unhelpful as always. And since he acts like this regardless of alignment because it is in his very nature to act like this, it's virtually impossible to read him.
No, the reason why it's virtually impossible to read me is that you keep trying to read people based on how they act, which is a pretty bad idea because people can act a certain way for a multitude of reasons.
I didn't know there was another way to read people.
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Also, rather than trying to guess what someone is thinking, it's much easier (i.e. actually possible) to manipulate them into thinking what you want them to think. If you can make people post in an emotional state of mind, town should still be able to maintain a consistent town narrative, but scum not so much because they actually have to think through what they can post without getting caught.
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Actually.
Wow is skumpy really L-1 already??
request vote count
Skumpy is being a lot less strange then the other games I’ve played with him. I don’t think he’s the most townie, but pushing the quick lynch does nothing here. I have no problem voting him. But at the very least we can keep him alive to see his interactions with other players.
request prods on Stevanzzo
This will be a really interesting post later in the game. This makes Raptor look super town.
I've been reading WW's posts. Holy cow are they full of nothings and not useful stuff. I'm basing his towniness off of a miscount that he says was on accident but I alleged was on purpose. Given the amount of effort into the posts he has made so far, I think I can conclude that he in fact did that by accident, and well. Awaclus still looks suspicious but I guess you could read that list and be lazy.
vote: Witherweaver
Why do you find it interesting?
I strongly agree with your vote.
So strongly that you don’t follow?
I’m debating between WW and Awaclus
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@stevanzzo: if you're getting captchas every time you try to post you should post once in this thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18043.msg738131#new)
Considering that the last captcha was "KKKWYN" yeah...good call to drop those. Damn skkkum invading captcha's now.
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Also trying to avoid this a bit recently as I'm home sick and full of meds.
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In regards to WW/Seprix:
I am not saying that I do not think WW is skum for sure. I just think that if I combine that one key play with the overall play and observations so far, I weigh the liklihood more on Seprix than I do on WW. If I had to guess a TEAM (which, don't do this for reads right now, just saying) it is going to be like Seprix/Active/Unactive. Seprix/WW makes sense, but I still think it could be Seprix and another player. Pretty much, if WW flips skum, while it increases the likilhood that Seprix is as well, I am still on the fence about WW when looking at him alone. Whereas if we lynch Seprix and he is skum, it almost def means WW is skum. So we find 2 for 1 and I think on stand alone details Seprix more likely.
Clearly something's being lost in translation.
You're saying Seprix=scum --> WW=scum
I'm saying there's very little chance of a Seprix/WW team. If one is lynched and is scum, I'd say that pretty much vindicates the other.
Oh then no we disagree lol.
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Side note - I know he kind of mentioned something, but does anyone know how long WW plans on being away for?
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Skumpy and Stev - Hypothetical... if you had to switch your vote where would it go right now?
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Skumpy and Stev - Hypothetical... if you had to switch your vote where would it go right now?
Now? You.
I do need to do a reread, which I will get around into in about 24 hours
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Nobodys voted since the last one.
I'm starting to second guess the DatSwan/Seprix team. Meaning that of Seprix/DatSwan/WW, i think at least 2 are town. So if my really-believing-in-Raptor doesnt end up catastrophic, then there has to be a scum in Awaclus/Stevan/SC. Which makes me feel better about leaving my vote on Awaclus.
Of course, there are 4 assumptions above that I will probably backtrack on aat some point. Welcome to mafia me!
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Which makes me feel better about leaving my vote on Awaclus.
Leaving your vote on Awaclus should make you feel pretty bad.
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OK - this is the VC as it actually read directly prior to the time of people switching off of WW (#286):
Witherweaver (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy, DatSwan
Seprix (2): Witherweaver, SirClemens
stevanzzo (1): Seprix
Awaclus (1): faust
Faust (1): Awaclus
not voting (1): stevanzzo
With approx 10 minutes remaining in the day, both XXR and Skumpy switched to Seprix. Important to remember that they probably genuinely believed they were the L1 and hammer. My theory below makes sense (less weight, but sense still) even without that info.
Given that there are only 2 skum in the game, the normal "most likely D1 wagon has a skum on it" concept, doesn't really have to be a thing. Either way, here are some things I am thinking about:
First:
WW!Seprix doesn't make sense. Why would WW push for Seprix with 10 minutes left? 2/9 skum to start, he didn't need to do that, I just don't see that team anymore.
Second - If WW is Skum:
XXR and Skumpy - They switch, makes sense as both town wanting a lynch to go through and/or if its one of them and WW as skum protecting their partner.
Awaclus - Tried to vote for Seprix, was too late. Was on Town!Faust before that. If anything, I think that means if Awaclus is skum, then it is not Skum!Seprix
Faust - Was town, voted for Awaclus.
Seprix - Originally I was fixated on the fact that Seprix did not get on WW wagon, but in hindsight the only way my argument makes sense is if it was WW!Seprix, which I now do not believe to be a thing. Further, If Seprix is Skum and WW town, why not vote there. Really the only thing that makes sense is Town!Seprix.
SC - Switched to Seprix with last post of day. Currently on WW D2. Could be protecting skum buddy on day 1 and then bussing day 2.
Stev - He was here. He posts in #281 that he was present, and still chooses not to cast a vote. This paints him as Town imo. Reasons - Skum!Stev looks at 2 Town wagons.. he of course votes for one of them. Or, Skum!Stev looks at one Town Wagon and one Skum Wagon, he of course votes to the Town Wagon. However, a Noob!Town!Stev doesn't want to make a bad choice and stays off. I find that very likely.
Third - If Seprix is Skum:
XXR and Skumpy - Makes no sense to me. If Seprix is Skum then they are both Town.
WW - Unless super weird pro play, I do not think WW can also be skum here.
Faust - Same as above.
Awaclus - Could be a fake late vote for town points, but I am not putting a lot of merit in that currently.
SC - Don't know why he would switch off of Town bus as skum onto partner as last post. If Seprix is skum, SC probably Town.
Stev - Same as above.
TLDR:
- Stev is probably Town.
- WW!Seprix very unlikely
- Seprix not switching as skum doesn't make sense if WW was not also skum.
- I think the most likely scenario at this point is WW + [Skumpy/XXR, SC, or Awaclus]
- If WW is town and Seprix is skum, leaning towards Seprix!Awaclus
- If they are both Town, leaning towards Skumpy/XXR!SC
Any which way I no longer like my Seprix vote best. So Vote: WW
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vote: WW
For a combination of reasons. I believe that this is L-1
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vote: WW
For a combination of reasons. I believe that this is L-1
It is.
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Vote count 2.3
Seprix (1): Awaclus
DatSwan (1): stevanzzo
Witherweaver (4): SirClemens, Seprix, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96
Awaclus (1): Skumpy
not voting (1) : Witherweaver
with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 2 ends sunday, december 17th at 15:30 forum time.
mod notes
- i'll do anything for you, i'll do anything for you
mod quotes
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Works for me.
vote: WW
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That was hammer. He never said when he would be back around.
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Works for me.
vote: WW
You should have given WW time to post before lynching him.
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thread locked
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D2 final vote count
Seprix (1): Awaclus
Witherweaver (5): SirClemens, Seprix, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96, stevanzzo
Awaclus (1): Skumpy
not voting (1) : Witherweaver
with 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
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Witherweaver has been lynched!
he was a mafia goon!
gone is a ham of aaw..
night 2 starts.
thing 2's start
please get all night actions in by 13:00 forum time on sunday, december 17.
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DatSwan has died in the night!
swaths that had dined gin die.
he was a vanilla townie!
wave hi at an en. is allow
day 3 begins!
Vote count 3.0
not voting (6) : SirClemens, Seprix, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends tuesday, december 26th at 13:30 forum time. thread unlorked.
mod notes
- deadline extended to fall after christmas stuff.
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>deadline extended to fall after christmas stuff.
Then why does it fall during Christmas stuff?
does the 26th count as christmas? that's usually the day that my family farts around and doesn't do anything
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Vote: Seprix
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Vote: Seprix
I‘m willing to vote somewhere else except stevanzzo, I don‘t think scum quickhammers their partners so unprovoked.
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Vote: Seprix
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does the 26th count as christmas? that's usually the day that my family farts around and doesn't do anything
Of course, it's the second Christmas day.
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vote: seprix
I could also be sold on Awaclus, everyone else would take some convincing due to the last lynch votes.
Also to note I believe that's L-1.
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actually, just read that again...unvote.
vote: Awaclus
Could be convinced to vote *Skumpy* same reasoning as above. (oops!)
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- I think the most likely scenario at this point is WW + [Skumpy/XXR, SC, or Awaclus]
I also think this is the line that got DatSwan killed.
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actually, just read that again...unvote.
vote: Awaclus
Could be convinced to vote *Skumpy* same reasoning as above. (oops!)
Well it's too late now...
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Why people love to vote 10 seconds in, I don't know. There's a reasonable chance Seprix is scum, in which case, this would be both the most amazing and least exciting game ever where all scum gets lynched before they get a chance to say anything against their wagons.
But even if he is scum...that was dumb; stop quickhammering.
I didn't have a chance to read back during the night, but my order based on memory would've been Awaclus, SC, Seprix, Stevanzzo, Raptor.
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This was a brilliant day.
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Assuming Seprix is town (gg if he's scum), quick spontaneous thoughts:
Raptor was on the correct wagon twice. That's one hell of a risk if he's scum. I would be amazed to see him go from 105 to this. I think I'm secretly hoping for it, tbh.
Awaclus doing his own thing as always. No bussing between WW and him at all. Carefully avoids mentioning WW basically altogether (from my recollection anyways). This would be strong scum signs for anybody besides Awaclus, but this is just Awaclus being Awaclus. That certainly does not clear him though.
Stevanzzo: Did quickhammer WW, but did he have any other options? It was 4 votes with 2 days left, was anybody else going to get a wagon? Probably not, I would've given the hammer myself not too long after. Then there's the hammer today, plus I think he would've happily hammered me D1 had he been given the option. Maybe he missed Swan's unvote and thought he was hammering? But does scum make themselves that obvious. Does newbie scum?
SirClemens: Does a partner WW follow a teammate's vote on me so quickly? I'd say no, but the initial vote on WW D2 is a comfy spot to be in, I don't think he's expecting WW to get lynched as fast as he did (I wasn't anyways)
If the game's not over, I'm probably dead tonight (or perhaps Raptor). Best of luck to the last of the townsfolk in that case. (I think I'm just saying this all because I'll feel really bad if both scum get lynched without my help after I didn't push WW hard enough day 1, and I selfishly want to be in the MVP hunt. But it'd still be a win in my book!)
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>deadline extended to fall after christmas stuff.
Then why does it fall during Christmas stuff?
does the 26th count as christmas? that's usually the day that my family farts around and doesn't do anything
BTW Awaclus: How do you NOT make a joke about deadline being in September 2018?
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- I think the most likely scenario at this point is WW + [Skumpy/XXR, SC, or Awaclus]
I also think this is the line that got DatSwan killed.
...if you're town and reading/thinking this, then that would mean the last scum is literally anyone besides Seprix.
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This would be strong scum signs for anybody besides Awaclus
Except that it wouldn't, because it's easy for scum to mention their partners in some way.
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- I think the most likely scenario at this point is WW + [Skumpy/XXR, SC, or Awaclus]
I also think this is the line that got DatSwan killed.
...if you're town and reading/thinking this, then that would mean the last scum is literally anyone besides Seprix.
Yeah, hadn't noticed he was already L-1 thought we were still 5 to lynch. Also mistook Seprix for you....not my proudest moment.
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Available players left: SirClemens, Seprix, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
I am ready to claim since I am at L-1, if the group decides it.
vote: Awaclus for pushing a terrible and "obvious" wagon, when in fact WW bussing me incredibly hard would be fucking stupid as all hell if I was also scum. It wouldn't make him look too good, and he'd be one scum down. Come on man.
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The last scum is imo Skumpy or Awaclus.
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Available players left: SirClemens, Seprix, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Xxraptorslayer96, Skumpy
I am ready to claim since I am at L-1, if the group decides it.
vote: Awaclus for pushing a terrible and "obvious" wagon, when in fact WW bussing me incredibly hard would be fucking stupid as all hell if I was also scum. It wouldn't make him look too good, and he'd be one scum down. Come on man.
You're not at L-1, you're lynched. If you know anything, claim it asap.
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thread locked.
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D3 final vote count
Seprix (4): Awaclus, SirClemens, Xxraptorslayer96, stevanzzo
not voting (2) : Seprix, Skumpy
with 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
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Seprix has been lynched!
he was a vanilla townie!
when was a toil ale vain?
night 3 begins.
the 3 big nings.
please get all night actions in by 19:30 forum time on tuesday, december 19.
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wait was this supposed to open today
oh phew okay lmao
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Xxraptorslayer96 has died in the night! he was a town neapolitan!
imagine there was an anagram!
day 4 begins!
Vote count 4.0
not voting (4) : SirClemens, stevanzzo, Awaclus, Skumpy
with 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. day 4 starts now and ends thursday, december 28th at 20:00 forum time. thread unlerqued.
mod notes
- deadline extended because of christmas holistically
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vote: awaclus
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For that awful wagon, just wish I would've noticed that I mixed up skumpy and seprix before it was too late. Or that it was a 4 count to lynch instead of the 5.
Sorry Seprix.
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vote: awaclus
It is MyLo, so step carefully.
The last scum is imo Skumpy or Awaclus.
I think Seprix was onto something.
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It is MyLo, so step carefully.
You can check that on the MafiaScum wiki, it does a better job at explaining than I would.
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For that awful wagon, just wish I would've noticed that I mixed up skumpy and seprix before it was too late. Or that it was a 4 count to lynch instead of the 5.
Sorry Seprix.
It wasn't an awful wagon, it was necessary to lynch Seprix before MyLo.
We should no lynch today.
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Xxraptorslayer96 has died in the night! he was a town neapolitan!
imagine there was an anagram!
Ian threw 6 xylophones and 9 expatriates shot Galahad in winter!!
For that awful wagon, just wish I would've noticed that I mixed up skumpy and seprix before it was too late. Or that it was a 4 count to lynch instead of the 5.
Sorry Seprix.
It wasn't an awful wagon, it was necessary to lynch Seprix before MyLo.
We should no lynch today.
Yes, it was a bad wagon. No, YOU think it was necessary. Only 3 people of the last 7 (including DatSwan) wanted to vote Seprix, at least at the start of the day. But he was lynched nonetheless in 5 posts!
Agree with the last part. I assume I don't share any thoughts.
Vote: No lynch
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No, YOU think it was necessary.
If Seprix was still alive, we would lynch him tomorrow and that would lose us the game.
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I reread and I tihnk I have to vote according to the NK. If I am the NK, my thoughts aren’t worth anything and I hope the rest of town will know what to do.
Vote: No Lynch L-1
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I reread and I tihnk I have to vote according to the NK. If I am the NK, my thoughts aren’t worth anything and I hope the rest of town will know what to do.
Vote: No Lynch L-1
Vote: No lynch
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Going to vote for SirClemens tomorrow.
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Going to vote for SirClemens tomorrow.
That‘s a bad idea.
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Going to vote for SirClemens tomorrow.
That‘s a bad idea.
I think it's a great idea.
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Going to vote for SirClemens tomorrow.
That‘s a bad idea.
I think it's a great idea.
It's a great idea if you want scum to win.
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Going to vote for SirClemens tomorrow.
That‘s a bad idea.
I think it's a great idea.
It's a great idea if you want scum to win.
I'm interpreting this as an intended vote for me.
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thread locked
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D4 final vote count
Awaclus (1): stevanzzo
No Lynch (3): Skumpy, SirClemens, Skumpy
with 4 alive, it took 3 to not lynch.
no lynch has occurred!
honch loads h currency!
night 4 ends friday, december 22nd at 13:00 forum time.
!!!!alternately: if everyone says something along the lines of "fast night please" in their QT, i will end the night at the same time tomorrow instead!!!!
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stevanzzo has died in the night!
he was a vanilla townie!
now, i tell a shi'a wave "na"
day 5 begins!
Vote count 5.0
not voting (3) : SirClemens, Awaclus, Skumpy
with 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. day 5 starts now and ends sunday, december 31st at 13:30 forum time. thread unlond.
mod notes
- deadline extended a third time
- we are down to the final three! any lynch will result in the end of the game!
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Vote: Awaclus
Skumpy is town, so Awaclus must be scum.
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Vote: Awaclus
Skumpy is town, so Awaclus must be scum.
How do you know that Skumpy is town?
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Skumpy is town, so Awaclus must be scum.
Sorry, I ain't. Hope you and Stevanzzo had fun all the same. GG.
Vote: Awaclus
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awaclus ded!
EU clad wads!
the scumteam of skumpy and witherweaver wins!
mod: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/CFhfj9saMSYiQ
spec: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/HdC26gmnAGq
maff: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/87D5RDhCs2q
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well played Skumpster!
Totally had SC pegged fort he last guy!
Good game everyone!
Thanks for the game Schadd!
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If you need a sub at any point I'll play. Reading along for funsies. Skumpy is super-town.
Skumpy, extremely well played. I had you pegged as absolute town.
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Raptor was suspicious of Skumpy during day 2. I thought he investigated him during night 2. The fact that Raptor voted for Seprix during day 3 cleared Skumpy for me.
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Why didn't the game end as soon as Stevanzzo was killed?
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I mean, why was there another day? Town was endgamed.
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My favorite part was when I instantly died with no chance and plenty of time to go. :'(
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*whistles innocently* sorry >.> If it's any comfort I really did get you and Skumpy confused in that vote.
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I mean, why was there another day? Town was endgamed.
Normal LyLo here. 3 alive, 1 Scum.
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why was there another day? Town was endgamed.
Hey! Say, who damaged two newts? Warranted, eh?
Why didn't the game end as soon as Stevanzzo was killed?
Wow, he's attending a DVD, slanted like a snazzy moose. Sh!
I thought he investigated him during night 2.
riigghhht dude I got intestine v2 in mah gut.
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Thanks for the game Schadd!
mecha-dad gets shtank. horf.
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I thought he investigated him during night 2.
riigghhht dude I got intestine v2 in mah gut.
lmaooo
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My favorite part was when I instantly died with no chance and plenty of time to go. :'(
Man, a pie vehicle hit the pastry window! Fifty yam tarts got dented! No cannoli now!
Thanks to schadd for the game! Also to DatSwan and Galzria for the compliments, but I'm still gonna give the credit to some very lucky breaks this game, the biggest probably being the end of D1 when WW somehow escaped the noose. And yeah, the Seprix lynch was another fortunate occurrence. (sorry if this comes off as condescending, just trying to give my humble opinion).
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Very impressive that Skumpy won. I of course had nothing to do with it.
Sorry I dropped this game; I had gotten annoyed with another game and stepped away for a bit. I guess I got mod killed, which is fair.
I definitely did not miscount the votes on Day 1 on purpose; I also wasn't lying about why. I suppose no lynch can be advantageous for scum (maybe here it ended up helping, I don't know), but generally you'd rather a mislynch.
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I guess I got mod killed, which is fair.
what
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Getting lynched is the new modkill.
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ya he got modkilled in the sense of, i am mod and i said he kill
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Oh, I saw some but must have missed a few pages. I thought I got killed for being inactive.
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I mean, why was there another day? Town was endgamed.
Normal LyLo here. 3 alive, 1 Scum.
My bad. Disregard!