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Archive => Archive => Dominion: Nocturne Previews => Topic started by: Jeebus on November 03, 2017, 03:30:09 pm
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Some of the biggest questions for me:
* Will there be a Night Throne Room? (not like Ghost, but rather "play a Night from your hand twice") (probably not)
* Will there be an Action Heirloom or Night Heirloom? Maybe one that isn't a Treasure at all?
* Will there be a card that says "while this is in play"?
* Will there be another Reaction? Maybe a Night Reaction? (probably not)
* Will there be an Heirloom called Grimoire?
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* Will there be another Reaction? Maybe a Night Reaction? (probably not)
Night Watchman, maybe?
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* Will there be an Heirloom called Grimoire?
I will say this is a no. :) You can quote me on it when Nocturne releases.
I suspect there will be another way to gain Wishes, based on there being 12 in the pile and how hard it is to get them with Leprechaun. I mean, there's enough for each of 6 players to get 2 before playing them. It would be weird to waste cards in the set that wouldn't likely be used. I'm going to guess that it would be related to one of the remaining two Heirloom cards, but that's more of a guess.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
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I'm wondering if Changeling is a sort of Band of Misfits variant as Night card, but I think it less likely now that we already have a BoM variant in Necromancer.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
It seems pointless as there isn't much of a mechanical difference between Treasures and Night cards anyway.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
It seems pointless as there isn't much of a mechanical difference between Treasures and Night cards anyway.
Well, you could play it for $ and buy with it, or play it for some effect after buying.
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I'm wondering if Changeling is a sort of Band of Misfits variant as Night card, but I think it less likely now that we already have a BoM variant in Necromancer.
Maybe something like this, an Enchantress-like Attack... (I don't know if this has been suggested as a fan card.)
"Reveal a card from your hand and choose an Action card in the Supply. Until your next turn, when another player plays a copy of the revealed card, it's played as the chosen card and remains so until it leaves play."
It probably has to be limited somehow, by cost or something, to not be too strong.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
It seems pointless as there isn't much of a mechanical difference between Treasures and Night cards anyway.
Well, you could play it for $ and buy with it, or play it for some effect after buying.
I mean sure it's possible, but I think it's hard to do without just feeling gimmicky and just done for the sake of having a double-type. Which is not the kind of thing Donald does.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
It seems pointless as there isn't much of a mechanical difference between Treasures and Night cards anyway.
There are cool things you could do. The first thing right off the top of my head:
Treasure: worth $1
Night-Duration: set aside a card from your hand face down under this. If you do, at the start of your next turn put it into your hand and trash this.
So a kind of self-trashing-Copper one-shot Haven.
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I'm thinking at least one of the heirlooms will be a Night-Treasure, because we haven't seen that dual-type yet.
It seems pointless as there isn't much of a mechanical difference between Treasures and Night cards anyway.
There are cool things you could do. The first thing right off the top of my head:
Treasure: worth $1
Night-Duration: set aside a card from your hand face down under this. If you do, at the start of your next turn put it into your hand and trash this.
So a kind of self-trashing-Copper one-shot Haven.
Save kind of already does this though. Maybe a treasure - night - duration which as treasure is worth $2, and as night gives you +1 card at the start of your next turn. But this isn't the fan card subforum.
I wonder if there will be
-A night-victory card (green-black probably looks neat though).
-Something that reduces the cost of cards.
-Interaction cards other than fool (probably yes).
-A card that says "choose X of the following:"
-A card that says "when another player plays an attack card..." (maybe not since we already have faithful hound)
-A card that costs something other than 0, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
-A card which specifically states duchy or province (all other basic supply cards have already been mentioned)?
-A non-treasure card that gives +$x (probably yes, but none have been previewed).
-A non-victory kingdom card with more than 10 copies
Et cetera.
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I wonder if there will be
-A night-victory card (green-black probably looks neat though).
Sure no because it's already known there is 33 sets with 332 cards so only one victory card with 12 cards and it is cemetery.
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Save kind of already does this though.
Oh, agreed.
I wasn't trying to come up with a good Treasure-Night card - this isn't the variants forum - just illustrate that it was a thing which could work mechanically so wasn't out of the question.
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There are cool things you could do. The first thing right off the top of my head:
Treasure: worth $1
Night-Duration: set aside a card from your hand face down under this. If you do, at the start of your next turn put it into your hand and trash this.
So a kind of self-trashing-Copper one-shot Haven.
But you would play it either as a Copper or as a self-trashing Haven. So it's awful.
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-A non-treasure card that gives +$x (probably yes, but none have been previewed).
Raider.
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But you would play it either as a Copper or as a self-trashing Haven. So it's awful.
Again: it wasn't supposed to be the world's best card, just an illustration of how Treasure-Night could work mechanically.
Having said which, surely a Copper that can trash itself if you don't play it is strictly better than a Copper, even without a Haven one-shot? How good does an Heirloom have to be?
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But you would play it either as a Copper or as a self-trashing Haven. So it's awful.
Again: it wasn't supposed to be the world's best card, just an illustration of how Treasure-Night could work mechanically.
Having said which, surely a Copper that can trash itself if you don't play it is strictly better than a Copper, even without a Haven one-shot? How good does an Heirloom have to be?
I forgot that it was an Heirloom. Was thinking about how likely you would be to buy it. :p
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-A non-treasure card that gives +$x (probably yes, but none have been previewed).
Raider.
Oh right, I missed that when looking at the wiki.
There's probably going to be more though.
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I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but does anyone know if we'll see any new Events in Nocturne? Because there weren't any in the previews and while I would be fine without new Events because there's so much more other stuff that's being added to the game, it would be nice to know for sure if there are going to be any as Events are one of my favorite parts of this game.
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I'm not sure if this has already been addressed, but does anyone know if we'll see any new Events in Nocturne? Because there weren't any in the previews and while I would be fine without new Events because there's so much more other stuff that's being added to the game, it would be nice to know for sure if there are going to be any as Events are one of my favorite parts of this game.
Okay, just to clarify again, that barring split piles or unusual pile counts, all the cards in Nocturne are accounted for. So for those of you expecting more states, bad news. For Events specifically, Donald X. said there would have to be at least 7 to warrant putting them in, so you're probably pretty far out of luck.
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Thanks!
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A big remaining mystery : is the date of November 13th is always the release date ?
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Will there be an Action Heirloom?
Will there be a Reaction Heirloom?
Will there be a Night Heirloom?
My guess is Yes, No, No.
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My guess is Yes, No, No.
I'm pretty sure there won't be an Action-Heirloom. Particularly, I suspect all the Heirlooms will have Treasure amongst their types, and a card has to be doing something pretty special to be worth the potential confusion of an Action-Treasure.
There's already a Treasure-Night elsewhere in the set. Maybe there will be a Treasure-Reaction amongst the Heirlooms? My guess is no,yes,no.
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There's already a Treasure-Night elsewhere in the set.
Did I miss something, or do you have some inside information?
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No, ignore me, I'm being an idiot. I meant an Action-Night.
So possibly a Treasure-Night-Heirloom and a Treasure-Reaction-Heirloom are both still to come.
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I don't believe in a Treasure Night Heirloom.
I can imagine a Reaction Heirloom, for example a Copper-Moat that comes with an Attack card. And a Copper-with-a-Buy. My third guess would be a Heirloom that is an Action card and that just says "+1 Action, +1$". I mean, why not?
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I don't believe in a Treasure Night Heirloom.
I can imagine a Reaction Heirloom, for example a Copper-Moat that comes with an Attack card. And a Copper-with-a-Buy. My third guess would be a Heirloom that is an Action card and that just says "+1 Action, +1$". I mean, why not?
I suspect it would matter too little too often. BM-Terminal draw is not that common any more.
Goat would have been a prime candidate for Actionization, and it wasn't actionized. So I'm not sure.
Anyway, we're missing a Heirloom gainer (be quiet, Lucky coin) or +Buy, so I guess one of the remaining heirlooms will fill that niche... There are some nice things to do with a card that can only appear in one copy per deck.
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I don't believe in a Treasure Night Heirloom.
I can imagine a Reaction Heirloom, for example a Copper-Moat that comes with an Attack card. And a Copper-with-a-Buy. My third guess would be a Heirloom that is an Action card and that just says "+1 Action, +1$". I mean, why not?
I suspect it would matter too little too often. BM-Terminal draw is not that common any more.
Although the Heirloom mechanic means that even if a card is only useful in one particular circumstance, you can now guarantee that circumstance to happen. That said, an Action-Copper as Heirloom would need a pretty special associated kingdom card.