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Title: M110: led zeppelin mafia (guess i'll keep on ramblin)
Post by: schadd on September 16, 2017, 11:27:43 pm
welcome to M110: led zeppelin mafia

this game will use borq zop, an invented semi-open setup for 13 players that should also be generally pretty ok

mod: hullo

tags: ash, roado, geekergs

big legged women:
1. galzie walzie
2. 2.71828...
3. Skumpy
4. LaLight
5. DatSwan
6. AndrewisFTTW
7. Xxraptorslayer96
8. chairs
9. Awaclus
10. Dylan32
11. faust
12. SpaceAnemone
13. IDontPlayThisGame

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, aquamarine text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
7-day Days, 2-day Nights
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on September 16, 2017, 11:27:52 pm
setup

3x mafioids
7x VT
2-4x town PR
, chosen from the list below (no duplicates). each has a number associated with it; the sum of the 3 numbers corresponds to mafia abilities.


specifically, the PRs are chosen by the algorithm:
>flip a 3-sided coin, heads means pick 2, tails means pick 3, wings means pick 4
>if the sum is lower than 4 or higher than 8 try again


N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

...which correspond to these abilities for a scumteam. these abilities are factional, though each needs to specify a perpetrator.

4: naaathing
5: rolecop
6: roleblocker
7: rc + rb
8: daytalk + rc + rb

role PMs:
Quote
welcome! you are a vanilla townie. you don't have any night actions but you are free to participate in any and all legal day activities which everyone knows is the part that's actually fun.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town N2 weak neighborizer. on the second night, you may target a player; on day 3, if your target is town, a QT will open up which the two of you have access to and may communicate in at any time. if your target is mafia, you will diiiiiie.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town N1 ascetic 3-shot tracker. three times, at night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, that player targeted with some night action that night. additionally, any non-killing action performed on you on the first night will fail.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town vigilante. each night, you may shoot a player. they die unless protected.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town odd-night doctor and even-night neapolitan. on odd nights (like. the 1, 3, 5 kind of odd) you may target some player to protect them from one killing action. on even nights, you may target some player to learn whether or not they are a vanilla townie.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town jailkeeper + rolecop. each night, you may target someone to both prevent any night actions they have from working and to protect them from one killing action. additionally, if your target is one of the other two power roles, you will be informed what type of power role they are (vanilla townies as well as mafia members will yield the result "vanilla").

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a town ascetic double motion detector. each night, you may choose two players and learn, for both of them individually, whether that player either targeted another player or was targeted by a night action. additionally, any non-killing night action targeting you will fail.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
Quote
welcome! you are a member of the mafia. you may talk to your teammates in [qt] and may have factional abilities, which will be detailed there.

you win when you make up half of those alive during a day phase or when nothing can prevent that from being the case.

clarifications:
-the double motion detector can have only one of their detections fail, i.e. in the case of an ascetic.
-the mafia QT is closed during the day, with the exception of the 8 sum of town PR numbers.
-each mafia member can only use one factional ability, unless there are more abilities than mafia members alive.
-what else?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on September 16, 2017, 11:30:45 pm
hey-hey mama, said the way you move
gonna make you sweat, gonna make you groove


flavor will be done as a sorta distilled version of fleetwood mac flavor: everyone's flip is just an excerpt of a relevant led zeppelin song, no one has any information about their flavor in advance of when they die/survive
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: Galzria on September 16, 2017, 11:32:13 pm
Proast theif

I don't know what you're talking about

setup stuff
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on September 16, 2017, 11:38:18 pm
galzie if i had to i would just edit setup stuff right into your post

uhhh i guess you could edit it back until i moved it to the subforum so i would have to do it after that
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: Galzria on September 16, 2017, 11:43:11 pm
/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: 2.71828..... on September 17, 2017, 12:23:39 am
/in

Hopefully schadd is too busy at school and I can steal all the pagetops
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: 2.71828..... on September 17, 2017, 12:26:25 am
But actually, this game really should wait to start until m108 or m109 start D3 at least. Well, that's my opinion. Unless there are sufficiently enough people who aren't trying in those other games.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on September 17, 2017, 01:56:52 am
/tag
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Skumpy on September 17, 2017, 04:21:07 am
/in

Which ruins my productive-procrastinationproof-plan pledge for the upcoming year. So be it.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: ashersky on September 17, 2017, 04:46:56 am
Tag
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: LaLight on September 17, 2017, 07:59:11 am
Babe, baby, baby, I'm Gonna Leave You.
I said baby, you know I'm gonna leave you.
I'll leave you /in the summertime,
Leave you when the summer comes a-rollin'
Leave you when the summer comes along.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 17, 2017, 11:56:19 am
Tag
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Swowl on September 28, 2017, 02:38:52 pm
/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on September 28, 2017, 03:32:33 pm
/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on September 28, 2017, 08:26:01 pm
Fingers crossed that this goes better then the last one. REDEMPTION!!!

/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Galzria on September 28, 2017, 08:31:51 pm
Fingers crossed that this goes better then the last one. REDEMPTION!!!

/in

Ahh! Raptor!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: chairs on October 08, 2017, 01:26:03 pm
/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Teproc on October 25, 2017, 03:38:53 pm
I don't get schadd's setups but

/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Teproc on October 25, 2017, 03:40:29 pm
Rooting for... Battle of Evermore. Or another of the Tolkien ones.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Dylan32 on October 25, 2017, 03:42:09 pm
heck, why not? /in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Galzria on October 26, 2017, 10:05:10 pm
Fiiiiillll
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 26, 2017, 10:52:19 pm
I don't get schadd's setups but

/in
is something confusing u?

Rooting for... Battle of Evermore. Or another of the Tolkien ones.
o ya ramble on is definitely gonna surface
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 27, 2017, 05:27:04 am
/tag

Will join if it turns out I have time :-)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Teproc on October 27, 2017, 05:51:51 am
I don't get schadd's setups but

/in
is something confusing u?

Just stuff like N1 Ascetic which is perfectly clear but I'm not used to.

I don't really know what a "double motion detector" is, though ?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: faust on October 27, 2017, 07:54:50 am
Ah man. The lineup looks too good.

/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: faust on October 27, 2017, 08:01:30 am
Setup seems a bit townsided. Vig + Tracker + Neighborizer and nothing for scum?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: faust on October 27, 2017, 08:02:56 am
Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2017, 01:12:53 pm
I don't get schadd's setups but

/in
is something confusing u?

Just stuff like N1 Ascetic which is perfectly clear but I'm not used to.

I don't really know what a "double motion detector" is, though ?
motion detector targets someone and gets a binary result of [they were targeted or they targeted someone] or [they neither targeted anyone nor were targeted].

double means the motion detector may perform this action on two different people.

i gotta make role PMs
Setup seems a bit townsided. Vig + Tracker + Neighborizer and nothing for scum?
here's a point of comparison (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=70972)
vig + essentially cop + 2-shot tracker vs. essentially 3 goons

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.

Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
ya i'm changing tracker to 3-shot for that and other reasons. but:
I = Tracker
...
KK = Vigilante
?

i don't think tracker is all that much better or worse in either setup.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2017, 01:38:15 pm
i gotta make role PMs
k done.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: faust on October 27, 2017, 05:43:28 pm
scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
Well I think most of the setups we play here are more scumsided than those on mafiascum. I would say the setup you linked is super unfair for scum. I wonder why that is; maybe it has to do with shorter deadlines and thus less place for analysis.

Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
ya i'm changing tracker to 3-shot for that and other reasons. but:
I = Tracker
...
KK = Vigilante
?

i don't think tracker is all that much better or worse in either setup.
Well I guess my concern was more about N2 Neighborizer seeming way worse than Tracker. I see that has been changed now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: faust on October 27, 2017, 05:46:58 pm
scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
In second glance, the thread you linked seems to be for a closed setup. That naturally makes town a lot weaker, so it's not really comparable to semi-open things like this one.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2017, 07:07:04 pm
scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
Well I think most of the setups we play here are more scumsided than those on mafiascum. I would say the setup you linked is super unfair for scum. I wonder why that is; maybe it has to do with shorter deadlines and thus less place for analysis.
deadlines there are twice as long as here typically.

i mean remember that there's the factors of
>there's only like 20-something people that play here and we all know each other
>the town winrate here was quite yikes, at least for a while (seems to have been picking up lately?)
>i think scum play here is kind of unsophisticated? like in terms of PR hunting and such. i'm the only one i can remember talking about who PRs might be in scum threads (but also i pay like no attention and retain like 0 data as scum so.)

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
In second glance, the thread you linked seems to be for a closed setup. That naturally makes town a lot weaker, so it's not really comparable to semi-open things like this one.
so i changed the setup a bit to closer emulate the gameplay of a closed (2-4 PRs instead of always 3, but probabilistically it's still most likely 3)

however, in practice i think it is less true that semi-open favors town than intuitively. first of all, there is still a lot of confirm-ness in a closed setup: some mechanically (e.g. vigilante), some in a guess-the-mod way (e.g., there are expectations and patterns for roles, see "sin the second" (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8873468#p8873468) and other related mastina grumbles) and some in an information way (if, for example, somebody came in claiming double motion detector, even though that's kind of not a thing in normals, that's a super risky play to fakeclaim as scum without having that information and if they do have access to that information the meta-element of the claim seeming unlikely to come from scum is factored into the setup balance).

additionally, confirmation is something you don't especially care about as a town PR: the only time it really matters is by the end of the game and you kind of expect (or want, even, because of results) to be killed off anyway by then.

whereas there is some amount of benefit to semi-openness from a scum perspective, e.g. you know there isn't a cop (you're welcome also) so bussing is maybe better, you know that protective roles are somewhat common (but more common on odd nights), you know that there's both tracker and jailer so it's good to have at least two alive as long as possible, etc.

basically what i'm getting at is closed is super similar to semi-open except pretty much no setup spec happens until like D3 which makes it like strictly better.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2017, 07:07:40 pm
also note: n2 neighborizer changed to n3 masonizer then to n2 weak neighborizer
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2017, 07:12:21 pm
unrelated: @space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93wE-2E0b4Q)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 28, 2017, 09:33:12 am
unrelated: @space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93wE-2E0b4Q)

zvlŠötnŪ :-)

/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Awaclus on October 29, 2017, 02:09:48 pm
/in
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: Teproc on October 29, 2017, 03:40:11 pm
Hammer ? In that case I think I have to /out actually, sorry.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on October 30, 2017, 12:49:48 am
Hammer ? In that case I think I have to /out actually, sorry.

Bro?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (there's one and only, just one and only [spot left])
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on October 30, 2017, 12:12:16 pm
/in if the slot's open, /tag otherwise
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: schadd on October 30, 2017, 01:15:54 pm
hammor!


PMs out tonight unless someone objects!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: schadd on October 30, 2017, 04:29:15 pm
it seems as though there are approximately 0 games active so i'll start this when this l@me lecture is over
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: schadd on October 30, 2017, 05:01:59 pm
one last change: 8 sum is rc + rb + daytalk instead of just rb + daytalk.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: schadd on October 30, 2017, 05:32:51 pm
thread locked.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: schadd on October 30, 2017, 05:41:16 pm
aight, PMs are all out. the game will start once everyone has confirmed.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2017, 08:33:29 pm
https://youtu.be/s8e6VZTDBvs?t=11s (https://youtu.be/s8e6VZTDBvs?t=11s)

lemme take you to the movie,
can i take you to the show?
lemme be yours, ever truly,
can i make your garden grow?

Day 1 Starts!

Vote count 1.0

not voting (13): Galzria, 2.71828..., Skumpy, LaLight, DatSwan, AndrewisFTTW, Xxraptorslayer96, chairs, Awaclus, Dylan32, faust, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends tuesday, november 7th at 21:00 forum time. thread unspooked.

mod notes
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Dylan32 on October 31, 2017, 08:41:51 pm
First. I'm pretty sure I haven't played with like a fourth of you all. Let's see what Vote: DatSwan does.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on October 31, 2017, 09:05:41 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on October 31, 2017, 09:08:38 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Okay. vote: Raptor
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on October 31, 2017, 09:38:21 pm
I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on October 31, 2017, 09:53:55 pm
I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!

Why do you distrust Schadd's methods?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on October 31, 2017, 10:16:14 pm
I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!

Why do you distrust Schadd's methods?

bcause hes a wily and cunning *insert-noun-of-your-choice*. mandolinist!

I just felt he might override the system and throw me into the fire to see how I'd fare (I probably didn't actually believe he would, I'm pretty sure it was just paranoia and fear on my part).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on October 31, 2017, 11:09:21 pm
Hi everyone! Don't kill me N1 again please, thanks!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: chairs on October 31, 2017, 11:27:08 pm
If we lynch you N1 then scum can't lynch you! vote: AndrewisFTTW.

I'M HELPING!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: chairs on October 31, 2017, 11:27:36 pm
Also, boo schadd for not leading with Fool in the Rain as the first song in flavor.

i thought of it, believe it or not. i think if i do use it for something i would want to use the drum only recording
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 12:35:00 am
Well booger. Missed the first pagetop already. Doesn't bode well for this game
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 12:36:59 am
If we lynch you N1 then scum can't lynch you! vote: AndrewisFTTW.

I'M HELPING!

I don't think this says what you meant it to say
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Awaclus on November 01, 2017, 01:26:46 am
Vote: Andrew

Silverspawn is not in the game but someone's got to be scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 01, 2017, 02:00:32 am
Vote: Andrew

Silverspawn is not in the game but someone's got to be scum.

Never heard that one before.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 01, 2017, 02:01:23 am
If we lynch you N1 then scum can't lynch you! vote: AndrewisFTTW.

I'M HELPING!
[/quote

Who is we?]
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 01, 2017, 02:02:01 am
Quote fail

If we lynch you N1 then scum can't lynch you! vote: AndrewisFTTW.

I'M HELPING!

Who is we?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 01, 2017, 02:24:48 am
I forgot just how weird Skumpy is. Hi Skumpy, welcome back.

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 01, 2017, 02:42:44 am
I forgot just how weird Skumpy is. Hi Skumpy, welcome back.

Honestly, I felt I was being tamer than usual there. But thank you! Glad to be able to waste even more time than I already am!
I will now try to put the past behind me and give you the benefit of the doubt, though I'm pretty sure I will vote for you many times again nonetheless. Enjoy!

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Swowl on November 01, 2017, 02:51:38 am
First. I'm pretty sure I haven't played with like a fourth of you all. Let's see what Vote: DatSwan does.

Nice to meet you!

Vote: Skumpy

Can't spell Skumpy without skum....
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 01, 2017, 03:12:14 am
In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
I don't have a problem with being wrong. If you do, maybe don't play social deduction games?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 03:18:35 am
hey everyone

vote: chairs
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 01, 2017, 06:35:46 am
Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 06:42:19 am
Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?

hey! I didn't realize you're here! Things are well, never felt more towny. how about you?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 01, 2017, 08:15:09 am
Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?

hey! I didn't realize you're here! Things are well, never felt more towny. how about you?

Yeah, life is awesome and towny here :-)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 01:45:45 pm
Already stalling? Dama!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 01:46:18 pm
I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 01:46:34 pm
If there are neighborizers that is
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 01:47:07 pm
Letís discuss something even if itís a terrible idea
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 01, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 01, 2017, 01:49:18 pm
I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 01:51:23 pm
I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Awaclus on November 01, 2017, 02:00:57 pm
Well, neighborizers are very low utility PRs. If a neighborizer becomes an IC, that's pretty good for us.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 02:05:27 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 02:07:25 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?

Rvs and his first post which was weird
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 02:07:43 pm
Iím open to options!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 02:12:30 pm
Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 02:13:59 pm
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?

Rvs and his first post which was weird

RVS - Fair
Why do you think Faust found Chairs townie?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on November 01, 2017, 02:19:25 pm
Vote count 1.1

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Galzria, IDontPlayThisGame
AndrewisFTTW (2): chairs, Awaclus
Galzria (2): faust, Xxraptorslayer96
Skumpy (1): DatSwan
chairs (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): SpaceAnemone

not voting (3): 2.71828..., Skumpy, AndrewisFTTW

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends tuesday, november 7th at 21:00 forum time.

mod notes
mod quotes

Why do you distrust Schadd's methods?

bcause hes a wily and cunning *insert-noun-of-your-choice*. mandolinist!
Also, boo schadd for not leading with Fool in the Rain as the first song in flavor.

i thought of it, believe it or not. i think if i do use it for something i would want to use the drum only recording
Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 01, 2017, 02:22:43 pm
Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 02:44:37 pm
Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...

Ah. Well then. I only read the setup when I first /in'ned. I should go back and read those lol.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 01, 2017, 02:50:33 pm
Vote: Dylan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 01, 2017, 02:54:26 pm
Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 03:01:38 pm
Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht ďi need to vote for someoneĒ then I saw his post and thought, thatís more scummy than anything before it
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 03:19:58 pm
Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht ďi need to vote for someoneĒ then I saw his post and thought, thatís more scummy than anything before it

Why did you feel the need to vote for someone?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 01, 2017, 03:24:12 pm
Vote: Dylan

Vote: Dylan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 01, 2017, 03:57:54 pm
Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht ďi need to vote for someoneĒ then I saw his post and thought, thatís more scummy than anything before it

Why did you feel the need to vote for someone?

I didnít. I like to start game with vote so when the person is scum i can say  i told you
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 01, 2017, 06:35:49 pm
In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
I don't have a problem with being wrong. If you do, maybe don't play social deduction games?

But...I really do hate being wrong....
What do you suggest I do instead with my life? (That's a serious question btw, I currently have no direction or purpose)

Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?


With regards to the setup discussion (because I refuse to participate in these RVS shenanigans):

The fact that there's likely (something over 50% anyways) a scum roleblocker and no good way to find out who's doing it makes claiming sounds reallllly sketchy to me, since scum will probably be able to just shut them down. The new set-up of 2-4 PR's makes things nice in the sense that scum has no idea what's a safe claim and what's not. As a point of reference:

4: 1 + 1 + 2        or 1 + 3                    or 2 + 2
5: 1 + 1 + 3        or 1 + 2 + 2              or 2 + 3
6: 1 + 2 + 3        or 3 + 3                    or 1 + 1 + 2 + 2
7: 2 + 2 + 3        or 1 + 3 + 3              or 1 + 1 + 2 + 3
8: 2 + 3 + 3        or 1 + 1 + 3 + 3        or 1 + 2 + 2 + 3

So anyways, scum's in a tough boat if they wanna fake a claim. Like, it could probably be done, but I know I wouldn't be enthusiastic to try something out. IDK, maybe there is something worthwhile in clearing a bunch of people? If scum's not ready for a massclaim...then again, I think I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim's good. So I'll give up trying to figure it out for now.

Well, neighborizers are very low utility PRs. If a neighborizer becomes an IC, that's pretty good for us.

Why do they suck? They seem great to me, we get 2 confirmed town (not exactly, but you know what I mean). And also: What happens if a neighborizer gets roleblocked?

the action fails; no neighborhood opens, no dying happens.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 01, 2017, 08:04:59 pm
Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?

Nice :-) It's usually "Drunk: Ask Me Anything".

I've never played in a game with you before, have I? What's your experience in Mafia?

So anyways, scum's in a tough boat if they wanna fake a claim.

I admit to not having done as much set-up crunching as I'd normally do here just because I've been busy, but I worry that too much analysis of how scum wants to behave straight off the bat might be indicative of too much of the wrong kind of thinking having taken place already. Or maybe you're just really thorough and have a lot of time on your hands... I dunno yet.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 01, 2017, 08:39:46 pm
Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?

Nice :-) It's usually "Drunk: Ask Me Anything".

I've never played in a game with you before, have I? What's your experience in Mafia?


Thank you.

Nope, this is our first encounter. Greetings! Experience of relevant nature = 1 game (105) in which I kept screaming that I have no idea what I'm doing, then stumbled into a victory. This game will most likely be the same, with the word 'hopefully' appended.


I admit to not having done as much set-up crunching as I'd normally do here just because I've been busy, but I worry that too much analysis of how scum wants to behave straight off the bat might be indicative of too much of the wrong kind of thinking having taken place already. Or maybe you're just really thorough and have a lot of time on your hands... I dunno yet.


For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

'Wrong type of thinking': ...so what is the 'right' type of thinking? There's a setup (that I now think I actually do understand), let's see if anything can be done with it. It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play. Maybe that's an early advantage? I'm not totally sure, which is why I'm leaving it open.

(Deep down, yeah, I probably know it's definitely a really stupid idea to claim now, but talking about that beats RVS. I might like random, but I like the analysis more).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 01, 2017, 08:45:12 pm
For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 09:16:16 pm
For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 09:16:42 pm
In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 01, 2017, 09:20:54 pm
Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the ďpre-twilightĒ game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?


scum were made aware of their factional abilities in N0 if they have them.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 09:25:55 pm
Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the ďpre-twilightĒ game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?

yeah, but it is called Night 0, which starts after PMs are sent and ends when D1 begins.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 09:26:06 pm
well, thats the normal thing
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 01, 2017, 09:26:38 pm
Also, skumpy is town
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 01, 2017, 09:31:26 pm
Also, skumpy is town

For now, I concur.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: chairs on November 01, 2017, 11:30:35 pm
Townpy.

vote: Space.

That post they made just feels not!Space to me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 01, 2017, 11:52:44 pm
vote: DatSwan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 02, 2017, 01:30:37 am
Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 02:03:13 am
vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 02:05:56 am
Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 02, 2017, 02:13:55 am
vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

I wouldn't place any value on that "townslip" in either direction. It can easily come from both alignments.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 02, 2017, 03:53:44 am
For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?

CS. I should probably read the whole spec since it's now over 3 days late. The class is like getting used to Linux & Emacs and that sorta stuff. This assignment is more about learning debugging and some C coding (I guess). As for schadd: I'll probably just look at past students' work that is now up on Github and follow along with what they do, meaning I don't learn it myself. Math HW I'll just be googling, then cramming the learning before tests. Has worked thusly far with mixed results.

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

(and implied quoting of the 2.7, Galzria, and chairs reads too that I don't feel like copyPasting)

First off, I love how it's gone:
Skumpy: Anyone wanna talk setup?
3 people: You're town, AKA, No, now shuddup.

Secondly, well done you 3! Congratulations on quickly realizing what will soon be obvious for everybody and thanks for reminding me how badly my first Skum game will go!

Nextly @faust and the above prediction:
You know what's really annoying? The fact that I agree with you. And the fact that I'm so tempted to vote for you because I don't like it when people agree with what I'm thinking. But I've also got a feeling that you're going to be town whenever I read you as scum and vice versa. So I won't vote for you now (meaning that you're scum, so I will vote, meaning you're town, and now I'm in a perpetual loop). Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)

Well, it looks like the RVS is starting to wear out and I need to start making reads. I've got a couple suspects in mind. Not feeling like elaborating because I want some more info before I cast my first vote.

And finally, looks like my pledge to not text-wall got shattered after like 5 posts. No surprises there, I expected it. Still procrastinating on the HW, feel free to keep conversing with me! Happy to give prompt responses to any direct questions!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 04:25:10 am
Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)
I don't have much of a read on you either way so far.

I would like to say that I would have made that statement even if Galzria wasn't among the people commenting, but then again, who knows? I would currently point to Galzria as the scummiest of the bunch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 04:28:08 am
With regards to setup talk, I don't think there's much to be achieved. We may get ICs, but we won't enjoy them for long and we souldn't lynch PRs on D1 anyway.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 04:30:24 am
Already stalling? Dama!


(Deep down, yeah, I probably know it's definitely a really stupid idea to claim now, but talking about that beats RVS. I might like random, but I like the analysis more).


Rough math, but this is where I am at. Based on the 3-sided dice flip thing, we can assume:

4s
1a-1b-3a
1a-2b-3b

5s
1a-2a-2b
1b-2a-2b
3a-1a-1b
3b-1a-1b

6s
1a-2a-3a
1a-2a-3b
1a-2b-3a
1a-2b-3b
1b-2a-3a
1b-2a-3b
1b-2b-3a
1b-2b-3b

7s
2a-2b-3a
2a-2b-3b
3a-3b-1a
3a-3b-1b

8s
2a-3a-3b
2b-3a-3b


20 possible outcomes.
4s are 2/20 - 10% - no skum pr
5s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc
6s are 8/20 - 40% - skum rb
7s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc+rb
8s are 2/20 - 10% - skum dc+rc+rb


Ok so... We claim. Everyone tells truth, except skum who all claim vt.
We reveal our roles. We learn what skum has to work with, but not who has what.

Downsides:
1. Skum has DC. 10% chance but still would screw us if we have less than 3 PRs.
2. Skum knows who has what roles.
3. Best/Real case scenario = 3 skum + 7 Town claim VT. Skum then knows the 3/10 PRs we have and we are shooting 3/10 instead of 3/13.

Upsides:
1. Down the road it would make isolating lies easy.
2. We would learn how many skum PRs there are, and which there are.


I think everyone kind of agrees claiming this early on would be a bad idea - but just my 2 cents worth on the matter.

*also I am new to this set up - so if I am missing something plz lmk*


Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Awaclus on November 02, 2017, 04:58:11 am
I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 02, 2017, 04:59:46 am
I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.

Neigborizer is weak, so
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 02, 2017, 04:59:58 am
no, massclaim is a terrible idea
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 01:23:46 pm
vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.

[@DatSwan: Is "he" the right pronoun? If it isn't, sorry about that]
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 01:39:47 pm
no, massclaim is a terrible idea

Yes. Although there should be thought D3 of a Neighborizer claiming if they successfully neighborized town as that will create two IC's at a midway/late point in the game - reducing the lynch pool by which to find any potential remaining scum.

There's a thought that they could claim D2 with target choice since there's no Redirctor - thus converting them into an effective cop for the night: But between scum's potential ability to Roleblock them - or simply just to kill them to frame the target - it's really not a great idea.

They could claim now and become a temporary IC (scum would need to fake a long, dangerous game to fake claim neighborizer here) - but D1 that's not really all that valuable.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 02, 2017, 01:48:36 pm
As it turns out, the neighborizer is weak which means everything I said about it was not entirely accurate.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 02, 2017, 01:50:55 pm
In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 02:06:55 pm
In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
Are you serious about this? This is an awful plan.

What we could consider is everyone claiming D2 who they will target if they are the Neighborizer. But since Neighborizer can't target tonight, it's not really relevant and merely disctracting right now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 02:07:28 pm
Silly me for thinking Awaclus was trying to breadcrumb Neighborizer.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 02:38:38 pm
vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.


[@DatSwan: Is "he" the right pronoun? If it isn't, sorry about that]

"He" is correct!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 02:39:17 pm
also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 02, 2017, 02:48:03 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 03:30:00 pm
also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote
Do you also have something useful to add to the discussion?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 03:47:50 pm
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 02, 2017, 04:00:45 pm
For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?

CS. I should probably read the whole spec since it's now over 3 days late. The class is like getting used to Linux & Emacs and that sorta stuff. This assignment is more about learning debugging and some C coding (I guess). As for schadd: I'll probably just look at past students' work that is now up on Github and follow along with what they do, meaning I don't learn it myself. Math HW I'll just be googling, then cramming the learning before tests. Has worked thusly far with mixed results.

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

(and implied quoting of the 2.7, Galzria, and chairs reads too that I don't feel like copyPasting)

First off, I love how it's gone:
Skumpy: Anyone wanna talk setup?
3 people: You're town, AKA, No, now shuddup.

Secondly, well done you 3! Congratulations on quickly realizing what will soon be obvious for everybody and thanks for reminding me how badly my first Skum game will go!

Nextly @faust and the above prediction:
You know what's really annoying? The fact that I agree with you. And the fact that I'm so tempted to vote for you because I don't like it when people agree with what I'm thinking. But I've also got a feeling that you're going to be town whenever I read you as scum and vice versa. So I won't vote for you now (meaning that you're scum, so I will vote, meaning you're town, and now I'm in a perpetual loop). Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)

Well, it looks like the RVS is starting to wear out and I need to start making reads. I've got a couple suspects in mind. Not feeling like elaborating because I want some more info before I cast my first vote.

And finally, looks like my pledge to not text-wall got shattered after like 5 posts. No surprises there, I expected it. Still procrastinating on the HW, feel free to keep conversing with me! Happy to give prompt responses to any direct questions!

Kicking myself again for reading a whole Skumpy post that contains nothing important.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 04:03:27 pm
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor

Well, I think Skumpy covered set-up well enough, I agree with you that discussing Neighborizer is a waste of time today, and I don't think much else has happened.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 04:04:12 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 02, 2017, 04:05:29 pm
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor

Well, I think Skumpy covered set-up well enough, I agree with you that discussing Neighborizer is a waste of time today, and I don't think much else has happened.

Yeahhh... I got nothing.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 02, 2017, 04:14:07 pm
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor

Yeah Iím here and up to date. I just donít feel like I have any useful info at this time. Iíll try to contribute more.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 04:16:16 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 02, 2017, 04:16:58 pm
And Andrew already is! *slow clap*
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 02, 2017, 04:19:59 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 02, 2017, 04:34:52 pm
And Andrew already is! *slow clap*

Thank you! Thank you all! Thank you!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: chairs on November 02, 2017, 04:54:29 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Don't tell me what to say, oh don't tell me what to do. Just let me be myself, that's all I ask of you!

#toomuchmusic

I think the faust vote is a bad call here but I mean I get it. I do think faust was a little bit of a jerk with this post:

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

I just think faust is also not coming off scum at the moment (not that we have much to go on yet).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 05:48:46 pm
 Faust is town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 06:17:39 pm
also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote

Why did you feel the need to unvote? It was an RVS vote, yes? Do you believe you have a better place your vote or did you simply not want it on anybody? If the former: who? If the latter: why?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 06:18:36 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 06:20:48 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 02, 2017, 06:21:20 pm
Faust is town.

2 townies figured out. Doing pretty well so far
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 02, 2017, 07:00:44 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 02, 2017, 07:36:26 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 02, 2017, 07:58:34 pm
In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.



Other people on who I've been looking at:

DatSwan: I don't know what to make of the first vote for me. I get it's RVS, I get it's supposed to funny, but I'm an interesting choice after you kept trying to get me lynched my first game. On the other hand, the setup post seems townie while the non-response to IDPTG does not.  Having said all that: I'm going to come out and say right now I don't want to or plan on lynching Swan on Day 1. Reasons I don't want to share for a while.

Raptor: I thought I'd be able to figure you out early based on knowing your 105scum play. I have not. I don't know if it's slightly more confidence as scum or a good coach or just plain town. Also wanting to leave you alone for a while.

Chairs: Agreed with faust, this isn't the scum Chairs I know. Still random, but it's not forced awkward random.

Faust & Galzria: There's something that feels off in this old married couple. Like faust is trying to start up the bickering and Galzria is shutting it down. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a scum coming out of this pair. It just doesn't feel natural. At the very least, I'm not joining everybody in townreading faust. Then again, not sure I ever will. I think for the most part, faust has been saying accurate stuff, but as I said before, that doesn't make me trust him more.


PPE Raptor's stuff (this took a while to write and edit)

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 08:43:02 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 08:47:18 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 08:47:44 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?
dice=coin.
Not going to even say DAMA, just assuming it is implied here.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 08:49:57 pm
also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote

Why did you feel the need to unvote? It was an RVS vote, yes? Do you believe you have a better place your vote or did you simply not want it on anybody? If the former: who? If the latter: why?

I don't like leaving RVS votes on people after I believe they are town.
When I did it, I didn't have an opinion. Now I think he is town. So no mas vote.
But you already knew that. You are just bored :P

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 08:50:15 pm
specifically, the PRs are chosen by the algorithm:
>flip a 3-sided coin, heads means pick 2, tails means pick 3, wings means pick 4
>if the sum is lower than 4 or higher than 8 try again


N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 08:53:10 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 08:58:23 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

Well I just re read the set up and that is exactly what it says. Pretty much can disregard all the logic from that entire post.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 02, 2017, 08:58:37 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

What we DO know is that the sum total for all town PR's cannot value above 8 or below 4 - regardless of the number of PR's in existence.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 02, 2017, 09:01:08 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

What we DO know is that the sum total for all town PR's cannot value above 8 or below 4 - regardless of the number of PR's in existence.

Yeah I get it now sorry.
When I was doing the write up on my phone I was thinking the rule was "flip three times and pick a *1,2,or 3* in which the 1,2, or 3 were correlating to the value of the ability (which is why I wrote out all the options as 1a/1b etc etc.

Further look I know see that not only is that not right, but it says heads is 2, tails is 3 and whatever is 4 (not 1, 2, and 3).

Don't do drunk math kids. Leave it to the professionals.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 02, 2017, 09:07:05 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 03, 2017, 12:07:22 am
In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.

You do know I was talking about myself, right? It was actually a meta reference to one of my first scum games where I was caught because I was frozen all D1 and not voting anyone. Also, am I WIFOMing myself? I am confused

Also, I have no preference on digits.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 01:35:56 am
Also, am I WIFOMing myself?

That's the real WIFOM right there.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 02:51:15 am
I think the faust vote is a bad call here but I mean I get it. I do think faust was a little bit of a jerk with this post:

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.
Well maybe. But it did spark some discussion, and we desperately needed that. Sorry if my methods are sometimes a bit heavy-handed
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 03:02:05 am
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 03:10:42 am
1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
Well I was. So what?

2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
So stuff will happen and we don't stall out with everyone saying "well I don't have anything worthwhile to post".

4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
What evidence?

3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Fair enough, but that is not really a game-related reason.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 05:43:44 am
Also, am I WIFOMing myself? I am confused
A common result of being WIFOMed.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 03, 2017, 06:37:37 am
Oops... I'm prod-worthy :-(

Not up to date at all yet, but will catch up later. Currently need to to persuade my local network that the end of the world didn't happen just because our building switched around all the static IPs in the night...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 07:42:41 am
Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 09:10:27 am
Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 09:57:14 am
Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 10:01:46 am
Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said
Well he has only two posts, so you did not miss much. None of them contains even a hint of a read. Early on that was sufficient reason to vote already. Now the case is strengthened by LAL.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 10:05:59 am
okay, let's do this then. vote: Dylan32
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 10:06:29 am
every single time in every single game I am afraid to sheep you faust, because you are manipulative and good as scum
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 10:11:34 am
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 10:14:05 am
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

following LAL in a situation like this helps put the person into the spotlight so they come and say something meaningful instead of hiding
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 10:15:49 am
Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 10:17:03 am
Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.

any idea?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 10:26:35 am
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 11:18:29 am
every single time in every single game I am afraid to sheep you faust, because you are manipulative and good as scum
Thank you. I'm not scum this time though.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 11:19:36 am
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 11:20:19 am
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 11:44:28 am
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 11:48:52 am
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?

I'm voting Andrew for posting and not saying anything. I'm not voting Dylan for not posting and not saying anything.

Also, let's clarify this: to me, a lurker is someone who doesn't post. For now, Andrew's posted enough for me not to place him in that category.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2017, 11:58:00 am
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 12:03:48 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 12:05:31 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 12:08:12 pm
Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.

Because the game started on Tuesday. It's now been three days, and we're headed into the weekend - a time that is consistently the slowest for online forum mafia games. When we return on Monday, the deadline will be a day away.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 12:11:19 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?

Apparently.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 12:13:59 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 12:16:19 pm
DatSwan and I leave for a conference tomorrow. We will be there until late Tuesday and will have limited access. I'll post in the V/LA thread as well.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 01:03:23 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?

I'm voting Andrew for posting and not saying anything. I'm not voting Dylan for not posting and not saying anything.

Also, let's clarify this: to me, a lurker is someone who doesn't post. For now, Andrew's posted enough for me not to place him in that category.

PPE: 1
I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 01:04:12 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 01:21:43 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 02:03:04 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?

Because I don't believe that's a legitimate reason. Why do you?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 02:05:49 pm
I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 02:06:33 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?

Because I don't believe that's a legitimate reason. Why do you?
I just don't think it's good practice to phrase your views as suggestive questions. I'd prefer you simply state them outright.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 02:07:28 pm
I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Maybe. But you do acknowledge that my vote for Dylan is just as good as your vote for Andrew?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 02:09:28 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 02:13:12 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".

Town can get an advantage by not sharing too much of their thought process.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 02:19:18 pm
I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Maybe. But you do acknowledge that my vote for Dylan is just as good as your vote for Andrew?

Is that your acknowledgement that you perceive my vote for Andrew to be just as good as your vote for Dylan? I hold that my vote for Andrew is better than your vote for Dylan. I acknowledge that we're both voting for people who haven't posted any content, however I'm more comfortable voting for the person with more posts.

And of course Awaclus would say that.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 02:41:15 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

That's either a result of poor scum play or poor town play. If town is playing well, scum has to post a lot in order to change the course of the game to their liking.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

It doesn't increase the likelihood that they're caught if their narrative is solid. They are completely in control of what they post.

Faust is town.

More like your scum partner.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 03, 2017, 02:53:48 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

Why do you think Faust is town?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 03, 2017, 02:58:05 pm
1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
Well I was. So what?

2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
So stuff will happen and we don't stall out with everyone saying "well I don't have anything worthwhile to post".

4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
What evidence?

3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Fair enough, but that is not really a game-related reason.

1) to me thats a scummy move
2) I did something, voted you.
4) my point exactly, thanks.
3) its all game related.. because thats what you said in the game.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 03:09:46 pm
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG

Lame. Don't like it. I feel like I hear someone complain about how slow D1 is every game.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 03:11:50 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 03:15:16 pm
In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.



Other people on who I've been looking at:

DatSwan: I don't know what to make of the first vote for me. I get it's RVS, I get it's supposed to funny, but I'm an interesting choice after you kept trying to get me lynched my first game. On the other hand, the setup post seems townie while the non-response to IDPTG does not.  Having said all that: I'm going to come out and say right now I don't want to or plan on lynching Swan on Day 1. Reasons I don't want to share for a while.

Raptor: I thought I'd be able to figure you out early based on knowing your 105scum play. I have not. I don't know if it's slightly more confidence as scum or a good coach or just plain town. Also wanting to leave you alone for a while.

Chairs: Agreed with faust, this isn't the scum Chairs I know. Still random, but it's not forced awkward random.

Faust & Galzria: There's something that feels off in this old married couple. Like faust is trying to start up the bickering and Galzria is shutting it down. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a scum coming out of this pair. It just doesn't feel natural. At the very least, I'm not joining everybody in townreading faust. Then again, not sure I ever will. I think for the most part, faust has been saying accurate stuff, but as I said before, that doesn't make me trust him more.


PPE Raptor's stuff (this took a while to write and edit)

Very good, thank you! I'm glad you're here to make these quality posts!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 03:21:27 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 03:23:54 pm
I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.

I'm saying things! It's just been a hectic couple of days for me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 03, 2017, 03:26:25 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

Why do you think Faust is town?

Personal opinion I suppose. Faust is a good player, but in LOST one of the things that persistently bothered me all game about him (and it was part of the final case on him) was that there were certain town!Faust ticks that were missing. I believe that he was less available than normal that game, yes. And I believe that impacted his play. I also believe he is certainly capable of making scum adjustments to match those town!ticks following a scum game where they were missing. I just don't believe that scum!Faust has done so here. He sounds and feels more normal to me, and it doesn't feel forced or faked.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 03:40:58 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.

No, not really. I don't have to use anything against faust, he's scum until he proves that he's town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 04:04:57 pm
I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.

No, not really. I don't have to use anything against faust, he's scum until he proves that he's town.

SO glad this is a democracy.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 03, 2017, 04:12:02 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?

I donít think you should tell someone how to vote. Especially without reason.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 04:32:57 pm
SO glad this is a democracy.

But that's how it works. I can vote for him for no reason, he can't remove that vote unless he convinces me to remove it.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 04:38:09 pm
Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?

I donít think you should tell someone how to vote. Especially without reason.

Sorry I misread what you said originally. Disregard.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 03, 2017, 04:58:33 pm
unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".

Town can get an advantage by not sharing too much of their thought process.
That statement is still true if you substitute "town" by "scum".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 03, 2017, 05:06:16 pm
SO glad this is a democracy.

But that's how it works. I can vote for him for no reason, he can't remove that vote unless he convinces me to remove it.

Fair enough, but you could make that statement for any player. Why did you choose Faust? Why not his "potential" PIC, Galz?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 03, 2017, 05:36:47 pm
Nope, this is our first encounter. Greetings! Experience of relevant nature = 1 game (105) in which I kept screaming that I have no idea what I'm doing, then stumbled into a victory.

Ah, cool.. I very rarely get around to reading games I'm not playing in, so you're still an unknown!


There's a setup (that I now think I actually do understand), let's see if anything can be done with it.

Yeah, I usually love mathsing out the setup, looking at distributions of probabilities and everything :-)


It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play.

Yeah, I'm just troubled how you keep talking about planning for what scum would do, not any cool interactions that might help town. I know you said early on that you were sure you were going to be scum and therefore planned accordingly, but I still find it odd that someone with so much homework procrastination time hasn't now gone back and looked at things more from a townie point of view rather than keeping on mentioning the scum-sided view of the setup.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 03, 2017, 05:54:44 pm
Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

10 decide to choose 2 roles, 3 roles or 4 roles
20 choose n roles, no repeats; any particular combination of n roles is equally likely (nothing happens here to regulate the sum)
30 if the sum of the role numbers isn't more than 3 and less than 9 scrap it and goto 10
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 03, 2017, 06:07:20 pm
Space Count

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): SpaceAnemone, Galzria
Dylan32 (3): faust, AndrewisFTTW, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): Chairs
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): Skumpy
AndrewisFTTW (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Not Voting (1): DatSwan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 03, 2017, 06:13:05 pm
Fair enough, but you could make that statement for any player. Why did you choose Faust? Why not his "potential" PIC, Galz?

Because reasons. I could go for Galz if others prefer him over faust.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 03, 2017, 06:32:13 pm
Lots of new posts to consider, don't have the energy or willingness to sit down and carefully comb through everything.

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

There's a lot here. Lots of thoughts come to mind.

1. I'm new, but I don't like LALling on day 1, if ever. Especially when the guy hasn't even been on f.ds in 2 days (what if he's really dead? How would we know?) I like the IDPTG stance on Dylan/Andrew (more on that in a sec)

2. Stuff on scum being loud vs middle: I'm inclined to agree on this stuff. But small problem that's actually not small at all. Who falls into your 'loud so probably not scum' category? Apparently, you, faust, and Awaclus. Would you all be posting this much if you were scum? I think I know the answer to that: yes, yes you would. Now if it was Swan or Raptor being really active and doing a lot of live discussing, that might be different. Point is, everybody's been posting an amount so far that I would not be surprised by were they scum (am I extrapolating? Yes. Do I know everybody well enough? No. Do I not care and am just saying that because I like to talk in absolutes? Absolutely!)

3: The Skumpy files: You said I'm townie, and I'm still offended because I want to be town. On the 'no basis for Skummy Skumpy' - here's your basis: anything that's not this. I know I'm not getting lynched today, so I guess I have time yet to convince you more.

More random thoughts:


Andrew: It was a lot of empty posting early. And you're not as belligerent or aggressive as I remember you being. Only reason I'm not voting for you now is for the 2.7 accusation, since you're the only person besides me who is currently wary of him. But that doesn't really convince me there's definitely a town amongst you two.

Awaclus: I was kind of expecting to have been voted for him by now, I am kinda surprised he has not addressed me at all yet (Yes, I know exactly what this means his next post is going to be. I am willing to live with those consequences). In addition to me being skum, I was also expecting to be on the other faction before this game started. And since I'm town, I just feel like it's all part of the plan for me to be against him. Concerns here are further reinforced by his determination there's a scum in faust and galz, which I understand. And speaking of which:

Faust and Galzria: I don't know how else to put this: I am extremely scared that there is a scum or 2 here, and that I have no way of ever figuring it out except by lynching, which means potentially mislynching them. There's suddenly no animosity here and they seem to be in unison on everything, which is an extremely stark contrast to 105. I think I want to leave them alone in hopes that scum will save me the trouble and nightkill them (faust I can't lynch because I can't read him, Galzria will probably be my default-lynch-if-everything-is-going-badly-and-I-need-some-explanation-why), but I beseech you all to keep this in mind: when there's trouble and mayhem afoot, it's coming from the head.

I feel so confident while I'm writing this stuff, and then I realize that makes it, what, 6 or 7 people I've accused now? If anybody else wants me to put some incorrect heat on them, give me a ring, happy to oblige!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 03, 2017, 06:48:27 pm
Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.
Skumpy is entertaining and new, so he can stay.
Galz and faust are fine as they are.
Awaclus is being Awaclusy.
Could quite happily vote Andrew; his contributions don't have much content. I tend to scum-read him anyway, though.
LL is being quiet mostly. His talking at corss-purposes to Awaclus about the weak neighbourizer make me think they're not a scum team.
Swan's fakable townslip then weird breakdown of not-the-setup are probably more from inattention than scumminess for now, I think. I was scum with him last time I played, and he doesn't feel quite the same.
Dylan isn't here. I usually like Dylan and his playstyle, so I'm happy not lynching him yet.
Raptor needs to put in some personal text somewhere that lets us isolate his posts for targeted re-reads!
chairs is lurky as usual. THe part where he's voting to lynch me is less good. Not averse to returning the favour, but there are better targets for now.
e is talkative. Would be nice if he engaged with discussions more. But the same complaint could be made about me too.

I'll vote: Andrew for tonight.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Skumpy on November 03, 2017, 06:55:04 pm
It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play.

Yeah, I'm just troubled how you keep talking about planning for what scum would do, not any cool interactions that might help town. I know you said early on that you were sure you were going to be scum and therefore planned accordingly, but I still find it odd that someone with so much homework procrastination time hasn't now gone back and looked at things more from a townie point of view rather than keeping on mentioning the scum-sided view of the setup.

Yay! Accusations!

Firstly, good points have been made about the setup since. Just wanna throw it out there that I like faust's neighborizer plan for day2.

I wasn't preparing for skum setup strategy before the game start btw, setup stuff for me started after PM's were sent. The point is when I'm thinking about the setup: what do I know about town? Nothing - every role has a 50/50 shot (unless I'm a PR of course. But I'm definitely not one or anything). What do I know about scum? That thanks to my remembrance of dice games in 3rd grade, the middle values are more likely. The odds seem pretty good for 6 and very good for 6,7,8. I imagine that the best way to approach things is to assume the most likely scenario is indeed what is happening, and in this case, the most likely scenario(s) dictate we have a roleblocker. That should impact what town decides to do.

Honestly, the only decision town needs to make day 1 is whether to massclaim or not (and obviously it's not happening at this point, I get that). I don't see value in only partial claiming for any roles, it comes down to a desperate 50/50 on whether we have a doctor or not. The best part about mass claiming is that gives us potential to clear a bunch of townies. There is nothing scum can to do predict a safeclaim, unless they wait until the very end. If there's somebody who'll be on the chopping block with 5 hours to go and has to claim a role to save themselves, now we have to scramble. And quite frankly, I like having an IC around to manage the game and keep people in check.

The setup post anyways was more about me rejecting RVS than anything, I knew there wasn't going to be a massclaim. Until your last post, I hadn't thought about setup, I felt there was enough to go off to start casting votes. If we're still alive for it, you can believe the first thing I'll be doing day 2 is taking another look at the setup and situation.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 03, 2017, 07:05:50 pm
Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.

Did you expect that because of this game or previous games with me?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 03, 2017, 07:17:02 pm
Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.
Skumpy is entertaining and new, so he can stay.
Galz and faust are fine as they are.
Awaclus is being Awaclusy.
Could quite happily vote Andrew; his contributions don't have much content. I tend to scum-read him anyway, though.
LL is being quiet mostly. His talking at corss-purposes to Awaclus about the weak neighbourizer make me think they're not a scum team.
Swan's fakable townslip then weird breakdown of not-the-setup are probably more from inattention than scumminess for now, I think. I was scum with him last time I played, and he doesn't feel quite the same.
Dylan isn't here. I usually like Dylan and his playstyle, so I'm happy not lynching him yet.
Raptor needs to put in some personal text somewhere that lets us isolate his posts for targeted re-reads!
chairs is lurky as usual. THe part where he's voting to lynch me is less good. Not averse to returning the favour, but there are better targets for now.
e is talkative. Would be nice if he engaged with discussions more. But the same complaint could be made about me too.

I'll vote: Andrew for tonight.

If you want content all you gotta do is ask. Voting for me implies that you're scumreading me. Is that true?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on November 03, 2017, 11:17:37 pm
Vote count 1.2

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
AndrewisFTTW (2): IDontPlayThisGame, SpaceAnemone
LaLight (1): Galzria
Dylan32 (3): faust, AndrewisFTTW, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): chairs
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
2.71828... (1): Skumpy

not voting (1): DatSwan

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends tuesday, november 7th at 21:00 forum time.

mod notes
mod quotes
What happens if a neighborizer gets roleblocked?

the action fails; no neighborhood opens, no dying happens.
To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it
Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the ďpre-twilightĒ game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?

scum were made aware of their factional abilities in N0 if they have them.
Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

10 decide to choose 2 roles, 3 roles or 4 roles
20 choose n roles, no repeats; any particular combination of n roles is equally likely (nothing happens here to regulate the sum)
30 if the sum of the role numbers isn't more than 3 and less than 9 scrap it and goto 10

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 04, 2017, 06:06:58 am
I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG

Lame. Don't like it. I feel like I hear someone complain about how slow D1 is every game.
I feel like every game these days has horribly slow D1s. Especially those where there isn't much setup talk to be done.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 04, 2017, 06:19:43 am
Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

10 decide to choose 2 roles, 3 roles or 4 roles
20 choose n roles, no repeats; any particular combination of n roles is equally likely (nothing happens here to regulate the sum)
30 if the sum of the role numbers isn't more than 3 and less than 9 scrap it and goto 10

It's interesting that this algorithm makes it so not all numbers of roles are equally likely.

For 2 roles, there are (6 choose 2) = 15 possible picks. Out of these, 5 lead to termination. I.e. if 2 is chosen in step 10, then there's a 1/3 chance of reset.
For 3 roles, there is no combination that causes a reset.
For 4 roles, there are also 15 possible picks. Total sum of picks is 12, so those that are larger than 8 are exactly those where the not-chosen ones are smaller than 4, i.e. the inverse settings of the 2 role scenario. So also a 1/3 chance of reset.

The chance of 2 or 4 being chosen is thus 1/3*2/3 + 1/3*1/3*1/3*2/3+(1/3)^4*1/3*2/3+... or put differently, 2/9*sum( (1/9)^i) = 2/9*9/8=1/4.

Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 04, 2017, 06:30:57 am
1. I'm new, but I don't like LALling on day 1, if ever. Especially when the guy hasn't even been on f.ds in 2 days (what if he's really dead? How would we know?) I like the IDPTG stance on Dylan/Andrew (more on that in a sec)
Well, worst comes to worst, I hope we get a replacement. I should note that I am specifically not voting for him because of his absence, but because of what he posted before that, which was all hollow, but not with the townie kind of vibe that Andrew gives off.

2. Stuff on scum being loud vs middle: I'm inclined to agree on this stuff. But small problem that's actually not small at all. Who falls into your 'loud so probably not scum' category? Apparently, you, faust, and Awaclus. Would you all be posting this much if you were scum? I think I know the answer to that: yes, yes you would. Now if it was Swan or Raptor being really active and doing a lot of live discussing, that might be different. Point is, everybody's been posting an amount so far that I would not be surprised by were they scum (am I extrapolating? Yes. Do I know everybody well enough? No. Do I not care and am just saying that because I like to talk in absolutes? Absolutely!)
Well, Swan has actually been more active here than in M108's D1. He's just VLA now.

Faust and Galzria: I don't know how else to put this: I am extremely scared that there is a scum or 2 here, and that I have no way of ever figuring it out except by lynching, which means potentially mislynching them. There's suddenly no animosity here and they seem to be in unison on everything, which is an extremely stark contrast to 105. I think I want to leave them alone in hopes that scum will save me the trouble and nightkill them (faust I can't lynch because I can't read him, Galzria will probably be my default-lynch-if-everything-is-going-badly-and-I-need-some-explanation-why), but I beseech you all to keep this in mind: when there's trouble and mayhem afoot, it's coming from the head.

I feel so confident while I'm writing this stuff, and then I realize that makes it, what, 6 or 7 people I've accused now? If anybody else wants me to put some incorrect heat on them, give me a ring, happy to oblige!
Well you have a way, which is seeing if we're still alive later on, and seeing if we help lynch scum, and if so, how. That is usually the best way to deal with people that you cannot get a good read on otherwise.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 01:54:52 pm
I'm starting to feel like LaLight might be a better place to move my vote. His posts have been rather empty aside from a little bit about the Neighborizer, but that was all stuff from the Role PM rather than theory.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 02:01:03 pm
Right now I'm looking at lack of content rather than outright scumminess because I haven't seen anything that stands out D1. I think the longer posts will be more telling D2. Leaning town on Skumpy and DatSwan.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 06:36:32 pm
Well, because no one was talking, I ran some numbers on scum roles.

4: Nothing: 17.5%
5: Rolecop: 20%
6: Roleblocker: 37.5%
7: Rolecop and Roleblocker: 17.5%
8: Daytalk, Rolecop, and Roleblocker: 7.5%

Therefore,
Rolecop: 45%
Roleblocker: 62.5%
Rolecop and Roleblocker: 25%

Not entirely sure what it gets us, but it's something.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 06:45:32 pm
I could look into which roles we're most likely to have, but I don't know if that'll help scum more than town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 06:59:31 pm
I could look into which roles we're most likely to have, but I don't know if that'll help scum more than town.

I did it anyway. They're all equally likely.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 07:57:45 pm
Hey raptor. Any opinions yet?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 04, 2017, 08:13:12 pm
Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.

Did you expect that because of this game or previous games with me?

I'd gotten the impression from my brief skim-read earlier that people were pointing out your inactivity/lack of content, but I didn't feel that your posts were particularly scummy-indicative when I re-read you. Which was marginally disappointing, because it would have made my job easier if there was someone being kind of clearly not-pro-town :-P

Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 04, 2017, 08:22:02 pm
Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.

Nice result :-)  schadd's method is not what I would have assumed was the most obvious way to sort out the disallowed states, so I'd have come up with different numbers without that clarification. As it is, I haven't yet had time to work the rest of the role probabilities through myself yet, which was what I wanted to do with the algorithm overall, but it looks like IDP has done a pass :-)

ur mom is an obvious way to sort out disallowed states

uhh

yeah i'm just gonna click save
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 04, 2017, 08:23:07 pm
Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.

I think you're a better player than that. Skumpy doesn't like that Faust and I aren't at odds because we were so much in his first game. I would expect that line of thought from newer players. But you've been around long enough and are good enough to make adjustment; to not let past biases influence current reads.

What had Andrew said that reads scummy to you?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 04, 2017, 08:38:59 pm
To make that a little more clear:

I don't believe that you, Space, find Andrew scummy just because your first game with him he was scum. That's a weak reason. Tell me why, here, he's LIKE that first game - sure. I'll buy it. But you're much too analytical a thinker to see somebody scummily(?) because they happened to be scum before. Tell me why they're scum now, not that they're sum because of personal bias. I believe you can do that if you truly feel that he's scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 04, 2017, 08:45:43 pm
Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.

Nice result :-)  schadd's method is not what I would have assumed was the most obvious way to sort out the disallowed states, so I'd have come up with different numbers without that clarification. As it is, I haven't yet had time to work the rest of the role probabilities through myself yet, which was what I wanted to do with the algorithm overall, but it looks like IDP has done a pass :-)

I also got a 50% chance of three roles.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 05, 2017, 01:03:43 am
Sorry I was absent today. I'll post some more tomorrow.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 05, 2017, 01:21:07 am
Hm. Typical D1 so far. People trying to be useful. I hope we end up lynching scum, that usually helps alot
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 05, 2017, 03:00:12 am
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor
@schadd: This was more than 2 days ago and Dylan still hasn't posted. Can we get a replacement please?

no
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 05, 2017, 03:02:36 am
Not much more happening, huh? Shame. The people I'd look to for scum today are Dylan, Space, Galzria, Awaclus.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 05, 2017, 09:11:26 am
Not much more happening, huh? Shame. The people I'd look to for scum today are Dylan, Space, Galzria, Awaclus.

The only person on your list I could support lynching today is Space but I'm not sure how much. Why not LaLight?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 05, 2017, 09:20:13 am
Request prod on chairs

sent
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 05, 2017, 09:57:07 am
Not much more happening, huh? Shame. The people I'd look to for scum today are Dylan, Space, Galzria, Awaclus.

The only person on your list I could support lynching today is Space but I'm not sure how much. Why not LaLight?
Why LaLight?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 05, 2017, 10:11:45 am
Not much more happening, huh? Shame. The people I'd look to for scum today are Dylan, Space, Galzria, Awaclus.

The only person on your list I could support lynching today is Space but I'm not sure how much. Why not LaLight?
Why LaLight?

He's used a bunch of posts to say nothing, his defense of the chairs vote, and his reason for voting DatSwan. I agree with your calling him out on the two votes.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 05, 2017, 01:00:44 pm
Hey guys. I'm really sorry I forgot to post a VLA! I was at a conference with basically no time for internet use. I'll try get caught up have some thoughts later, but we are just now about to start the drive back home.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 05, 2017, 01:25:52 pm
To make that a little more clear:

I don't believe that you, Space, find Andrew scummy just because your first game with him he was scum. That's a weak reason. Tell me why, here, he's LIKE that first game - sure. I'll buy it. But you're much too analytical a thinker to see somebody scummily(?) because they happened to be scum before. Tell me why they're scum now, not that they're sum because of personal bias. I believe you can do that if you truly feel that he's scum.

I agree, I'd expect more from Space. Not sure if that's really scummy but it's not really how I'd expect them to play.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 05, 2017, 02:07:27 pm
Not much more happening, huh? Shame. The people I'd look to for scum today are Dylan, Space, Galzria, Awaclus.

The only person on your list I could support lynching today is Space but I'm not sure how much. Why not LaLight?
Why LaLight?

He's used a bunch of posts to say nothing, his defense of the chairs vote, and his reason for voting DatSwan. I agree with your calling him out on the two votes.

After reading back...this.
I don't know if these are incredibly telling signs for scum or SCUMIDPTG cherry picking what should be really telling signs, or a bus even, but the fact that I didn't consider LaLight as scum in my first two reads sets of blaring alarms for me that he's scum. Not voting for him this second because a) he's always been courteous with me b) the man is engaged for crying out loud and c) I think there are better options....

Because I've had an epiphany!

I'm doing a Vote: XX. I would like to know how the triplets feel about his play here, but so far, there's a lot of similarities between this and 105. Assuming he is scum, I think this makes a good narrative for a faust/XX team - a good coach, with instructions to bus. And I think faust would very much be willing to get combatant with a teamed newisher player (not voting for faust because in the 99% chance I'm wrong with calling a D1 team, I'm mislynching him D1 when that was one of my like 2 pledges, and because I'm OK to wait him and Galzria out and see where the game takes us/them).

My non-lynch pool
DatSwan (Not the towniest, not the scummiest, but I'm exercising patience)
Galzria and Faust (I hate automatically giving them a pass, especially when I'm extremely distrusting of them so far. But as said, I'll hope they find a way to bury themselves if they're scum, because they're valuable assets as town)
Chairs (Lurky, but also townie. Not actually so sure on that anymore, but townie enough that I'm not doing it now)

My more-willing-tolynch-pool, in no particular order:
XX (see above)
LaLight (see above)
2.7 (Nothing he's done has changed my thoughts. And it bothers me he's gotten no attention)
Awaclus (Instincts)
Andrew (Empty townposting)
Sorry for accusing you 2+ townsfolk!

*Above is all subject to unforeseen change, also kinda expecting there to be scum in both lists and in those who I left off.

Last point: I'm still not sure how I'd expect players who didn't know me before to read me. Probably not going to try myself because it's worked out so poorly for me in the past.

(I'm still wall-of-texting, but at least it's more occasional!)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 05, 2017, 02:45:01 pm
Hey raptor. Any opinions yet?

yes, sorry i will do a full read list later this evening. I apologize for i can't get to it sooner, my weekends are hectic. 
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 05, 2017, 02:46:30 pm
I'm doing a Vote: XX. I would like to know how the triplets feel about his play here

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 05, 2017, 02:56:22 pm
I'm doing a Vote: XX. I would like to know how the triplets feel about his play here


[/quote]


I think he is playing similarly but IDK what that means exactly. I have only played that one game with him (105). While he flipped skum there on a "answer when asked" kind of demeanor, just because he is doing the same now doesn't sell me all the way on a XXR.
XXR!Faust seems like it would be likely if one flipped skum, but I kind of agree with GAlz on the Town!Faust read, so I don't think I can park on XXR today. 
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: Galzria on November 05, 2017, 02:56:56 pm
Examples, fwiw:

First post 105:
Hey all, sorry I'm late to the party


Andrew's semantics argument reminds me of my own argument on Reggie D1 of M100, where Reggie was town and I was scum.

Once scum always scum.

vote:Galzria

First post 110:
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

105:
Request prod on Xx
Sorry just a slow D1. Waiting for a slip up or something truly scummy. Still just trying who to find the scum amongst the rest.

110:
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor

Yeah Iím here and up to date. I just donít feel like I have any useful info at this time. Iíll try to contribute more.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 05, 2017, 02:58:29 pm
That said, I don't know how he would play as town, so it's not as compelling as it might be.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 05, 2017, 05:50:22 pm
I am actually going to go with vote:LL for now.

Same reasons as IDPTG put, plus the initial interaction with Space seemed a little cheesy to me.

Not set it stone on it, but it def is my outstanding favorite option at this time.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 05, 2017, 05:51:52 pm
Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.

I think you're a better player than that. Skumpy doesn't like that Faust and I aren't at odds because we were so much in his first game. I would expect that line of thought from newer players. But you've been around long enough and are good enough to make adjustment; to not let past biases influence current reads.

What had Andrew said that reads scummy to you?

Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 05, 2017, 06:09:33 pm
Same reasons as IDPTG put, plus the initial interaction with Space seemed a little cheesy to me.

LL and I are friends IRL, in case that colours your view of our exchange at all. Like, we met on here, but he and his partner came to stay with me in the UK, and then when we had the Europe-wide mafia meet, he and I were some of the main drivers of it (plus faust, who managed to persuade us all to go to his city!). Anyway, his posts don't give me any cause to worry he might be more likely than the rest of you to be scum.

I also note that he was voting for you for all of four posts earlier :-P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 05, 2017, 06:12:53 pm
I am actually going to go with vote:LL for now.

If you really do want to vote for LL, you might want add a space after that colon, depending on how strict schadd wants to be with the count...

tbqh i don't think i care about that anymore
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 05, 2017, 06:15:48 pm
Same reasons as IDPTG put, plus the initial interaction with Space seemed a little cheesy to me.

LL and I are friends IRL, in case that colours your view of our exchange at all. Like, we met on here, but he and his partner came to stay with me in the UK, and then when we had the Europe-wide mafia meet, he and I were some of the main drivers of it (plus faust, who managed to persuade us all to go to his city!). Anyway, his posts don't give me any cause to worry he might be more likely than the rest of you to be scum.

I also note that he was voting for you for all of four posts earlier :-P

Well it absolutely does change my perspective slightly. But the bulk of my reasoning is still in the post content part. Honestly didn't even realize he had a vote on me :P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 05, 2017, 07:07:26 pm
Ok. I'm pretty much caught up. Most of my reads are more gut than anything, but I did have a few specific thoughts.

1) I don't think scum!faust gets so hung up on lynching totally absent me D1, unless he thinks I'm a skeptical enough person that I would be maybe kind of hard to manipulate later in the game or something. Either way, there are probably other people that he would want to try to get lynched before me as scum. So I guess I'll call faust town for now.

Two thoughts on Awaclus: 2a) He has seemed slightly different than the last game I played with him where he was town. Keeping the details to myself (away from him so he can't change the relevant stuff as easily if scum). Ever so slightly scummy. 2b) Even with that, he is close enough to normal meta that I'm not going to vote based on this on D1. Would be stronger evidence if consistent across several days.

3) This is maybe the first game I've played with IDPTG where I feel pretty good about townreading him. I don't know if there is anything specific there or if I just liked some of the content and that he put in the time to come up with some setup probabilities. I generally appreciate people that are willing to put in the time to do that stuff, so at any rate, D1 pass and a thumbs up for IDPTG from me.

This game felt weird in that I came away with slight gut townreads on almost everyone, and it is usually pretty tough to move me from a neutral opinion to a town read on people...

For now, Vote: LL. I think I like the 2 people on the wagon already (for sure 1 of them), and LL didn't trigger as many warm/fuzzy town-feels as other people.

@Space: Thanks for the comment about enjoying my usual playstyle. The feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 05, 2017, 07:48:31 pm
Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.

I think you're a better player than that. Skumpy doesn't like that Faust and I aren't at odds because we were so much in his first game. I would expect that line of thought from newer players. But you've been around long enough and are good enough to make adjustment; to not let past biases influence current reads.

What had Andrew said that reads scummy to you?

Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.

Have I been abrasive this game?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 05, 2017, 07:51:49 pm
Unvote

I'm townreading most people right now. I'd vote for Awaclus, Space, Galz, Datswan. Less sure about Galz and Datswan but there ya go.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 05, 2017, 07:52:10 pm
Keeping the details to myself (away from him so he can't change the relevant stuff as easily if scum).

Good strategy.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 05, 2017, 07:57:46 pm
Request prod on LaLight

bring it on home
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 05, 2017, 08:02:23 pm
Request prod on LaLight

Hey. Sorry, always VLA on weekends, always forgot to mention it in the specific thread
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 05, 2017, 08:02:51 pm
Tomorrow is another weekend being nation-wide holiday, but I will surely catch up :)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 05, 2017, 11:02:27 pm
As promised- Reads

scum pool:
Faust- I stand by my vote for the mean time. Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning. That said my vote may change by end day.
Galz- he questioned my vote on Fuast and states faust is town w/o reasoning. That said i'm not sure if they are partners. just scummy to me
Skumpy- they are just interesting... Seems to be playing less aggressive then they did in 105.
Datswan- seems to be quite for someone who normally has a lot to say

have not had much interaction with any other players and/or nothing that has caught my attention as scummy.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 05, 2017, 11:06:49 pm
As promised- Reads

scum pool:
Faust- I stand by my vote for the mean time. Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning. That said my vote may change by end day.
Galz- he questioned my vote on Fuast and states faust is town w/o reasoning. That said i'm not sure if they are partners. just scummy to me
Skumpy- they are just interesting... Seems to be playing less aggressive then they did in 105.
Datswan- seems to be quite for someone who normally has a lot to say

have not had much interaction with any other players and/or nothing that has caught my attention as scummy.

Can you elaborate on your faust read?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 05, 2017, 11:50:09 pm
XXR is town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 06, 2017, 12:08:48 am
XXR is town.

Not at all convinced.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 12:10:25 am

Finished reading through by player.
LL dropped way on my skum list.
vote:Space for now at least.

Followed by IDPTG and Andrew.

E! Is in there too - 4th down though
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 12:11:01 am

Finished reading through by player.
LL dropped way on my skum list.
vote:Space for now at least.

Followed by IDPTG and Andrew.

E! Is in there too - 4th down though

Dunno what happened.
vote:Space
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 12:12:50 am
XXR is town.

Not at all convinced.

After his fuck up last game he would neeeeevvvveerrrr be so laid back about posts like this. Too many typos, not enough content, didnít include all players...

XXR is town. Horrible, absolutely horrible D1 lynch at a minimum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 12:16:34 am
Previous is to say ďno way SkumXXR fucks up that muchĒ
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 06, 2017, 01:47:32 am
I still like my Dylan vote. That vote is awful, and the whole post is weird.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 02:47:01 am
I still like my Dylan vote. That vote is awful, and the whole post is weird.

What vote?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 06, 2017, 05:28:14 am
I still like my Dylan vote. That vote is awful, and the whole post is weird.

What vote?
The one that Dylan made.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2017, 10:40:24 am
well, I can see why people are voting for me, but what is really strange is that some of them stated scumread on another person and then voted for me, weird. I think Dylan is scum here and I want to vote: Dylan as I don't remember if I am still doing that. I would even say DatSwan is one of the partners.

Skumpy is really giving me towny vibes as well as faust, though in the case of faust I will indeed think twice. Space is as always null on D1. I am sorry I was not very active, I struggle to do things D1, like, always.

Also I think that IDPTG have some bias thinking I am scum in every game :) by the way, I am really sorry about your lynch in Lost, I needed to survive but I still felt bad.

I prefer Dylan or DatSwan lynch here I think.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 06, 2017, 10:46:31 am
Also I think that IDPTG have some bias thinking I am scum in every game :) by the way, I am really sorry about your lynch in Lost, I needed to survive but I still felt bad.

That's only when you're the mod. And no hard feelings. It's a game- you do what you have to to win.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2017, 10:49:39 am
Also I think that IDPTG have some bias thinking I am scum in every game :) by the way, I am really sorry about your lynch in Lost, I needed to survive but I still felt bad.

That's only when you're the mod. And no hard feelings. It's a game- you do what you have to to win.

I would argue that not only when I am mod you scumread me, but well. I donít see what people mean this time about not feeling townie about me, i try to form reads in my head
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 12:07:22 pm
may I request a vote count please

u may
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2017, 01:08:24 pm
https://youtu.be/iJp27QMR2KU?t=17s (https://youtu.be/iJp27QMR2KU?t=17s)

ohh, baby, it's cryin time
ohh, baby, i've got to fly
got to try to find a way, got to try to get away, cuz you know i got to get away from you babe

ohh, baby, the river's red
ahh, baby, in my head
there's a funny feelin goin on, i don't think i can hold out long


Vote count 1.3

AndrewisFTTW (2): IDontPlayThisGame, SpaceAnemone
LaLight (2): Galzria, Dylan32
Dylan32 (2): faust, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (2): chairs, DatSwan
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Skumpy

not voting (1): AndrewisFTTW

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends tuesday, november 7th at 21:00 forum time

mod notes
mod quotes
Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.

Nice result :-)  schadd's method is not what I would have assumed was the most obvious way to sort out the disallowed states, so I'd have come up with different numbers without that clarification. As it is, I haven't yet had time to work the rest of the role probabilities through myself yet, which was what I wanted to do with the algorithm overall, but it looks like IDP has done a pass :-)

ur mom is an obvious way to sort out disallowed states

uhh

yeah i'm just gonna click save
Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor
@schadd: This was more than 2 days ago and Dylan still hasn't posted. Can we get a replacement please?

no
Request prod on chairs

sent

I am actually going to go with vote:LL for now.

If you really do want to vote for LL, you might want add a space after that colon, depending on how strict schadd wants to be with the count...

tbqh i don't think i care about that anymore
Request prod on LaLight

bring it on home

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 06, 2017, 01:18:26 pm
So: Wagons on Andrew, LaLight and me are bad, wagons on Space and Dylan are good. e, Skumpy and Andrew should consider some wagoning. We really want time to claim here.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2017, 01:25:49 pm
gkrieg replaces chairs, effective right nowza.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 06, 2017, 01:26:49 pm
Haven't read anything yet, but will do that shortly.  Deadline is close.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2017, 01:28:40 pm
oh that reminds me.

deadline is now wednesday, nov. 8th at 21:00 forum time.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 01:44:15 pm
Alright.

Vote: Space
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 06, 2017, 01:50:20 pm
What better way for me to get into the game but with a stream-of-consciousness reread!

I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!

Reads townie to me.

I forgot just how weird Skumpy is. Hi Skumpy, welcome back.

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Why Andrew townie and galz scummy?  I think I agree more with the Andrew townie part.

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
I don't have a problem with being wrong. If you do, maybe don't play social deduction games?

Not sure why yet, but this just seems scummy to me. 

Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?

hey! I didn't realize you're here! Things are well, never felt more towny. how about you?

Yeah, life is awesome and towny here :-)

Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought itís a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

slightly scummy for not even entertaining the idea of claiming.

galzria has some really townie stuff.  Asking good questions, and it honestly feels like he is scum hunting.

Vote: Dylan

Vote: Dylan

Both votes I don't understand, but I actually think faust is more scummy for it than Andrew.

Space says they haven't done much number-crunching reads townie to me.

In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Is e more likely to say this as scum or town?  Pretty null to me.

Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the ďpre-twilightĒ game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?


scum were made aware of their factional abilities in N0 if they have them.

Noob enough that it seems townie.  Although he surprised me in the last Robz game.

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

Is this because of the people involved, or the fact that three people in a row called skumpy town?

Emacs sucks.  Vim is better...

I'm super surprised anyone suggested that a weak neighborizor should claim.  They definitely shouldn't.  Faust said what they should do best and that is that we should all claim who we would target if we were a neiborizer D2. 

Andrew seems more negative than I remember him being.

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

This reads town that isn't engaged to me.

Stopped at #150, will finish this later.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 02:28:34 pm
How am I being negative?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 06, 2017, 02:37:33 pm
How am I being negative?

How are you not being negative?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 06, 2017, 03:05:17 pm
galzria has some really townie stuff.  Asking good questions, and it honestly feels like he is scum hunting.
Really? Where? Why is this the only thing without quotes?

Is this because of the people involved, or the fact that three people in a row called skumpy town?
Mostly the former, but I might have reached a different conclusion with other people involved.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 03:09:07 pm
How am I being negative?

How are you not being negative?

Uh huh... Ok. Great.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 06, 2017, 03:09:49 pm
How am I being negative?

How are you not being negative?

Uh huh... Ok. Great.
You can try to answer, you know.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 06, 2017, 03:57:45 pm
So: Wagons on Andrew, LaLight and me are bad, wagons on Space and Dylan are good. e, Skumpy and Andrew should consider some wagoning. We really want time to claim here.

What is it we need time to claim today?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 06, 2017, 07:24:49 pm
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

oo!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 06, 2017, 07:27:34 pm
If you really do want to vote for LL, you might want add a space after that colon, depending on how strict schadd wants to be with the count...

tbqh i don't think i care about that anymore

Darn.. now I have to go and break my vote-counting script so it doesn't mind things that were previously excluded as malformed votes :-(
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 06, 2017, 07:30:54 pm
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

Awwwww
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 06, 2017, 07:42:55 pm
Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.

Have I been abrasive this game?

Yeah, a little. There are a few snippy/sarcastic retorts or verging-on-mean comments (#126, #198, #200). It's nothing outside of what people generally accept on this forum, but it's still less pleasant to read than a more neutral or friendly tone.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 06, 2017, 07:46:20 pm
As promised- Reads

scum pool:
Faust- I stand by my vote for the mean time. Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning. That said my vote may change by end day.
Galz- he questioned my vote on Fuast and states faust is town w/o reasoning. That said i'm not sure if they are partners. just scummy to me
Skumpy- they are just interesting... Seems to be playing less aggressive then they did in 105.
Datswan- seems to be quite for someone who normally has a lot to say

have not had much interaction with any other players and/or nothing that has caught my attention as scummy.

Can you elaborate on your faust read?

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

This is mostly the post that I was referring too. I know its not the best evidence, but its good enough for rn.

PPE:1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 06, 2017, 07:46:35 pm
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

Awwwww

I should add that it's nothing directly to do with Haddock! It's just that he's met the person it does involve two or three times, and it's not a secret from games people :-P

SPACE IS ADOPTING HADDOCK EVERYONE TELL THE PRESS
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 08:31:24 pm
How am I being negative?

How are you not being negative?

Uh huh... Ok. Great.
You can try to answer, you know.

What!? Why are you trying to turn this around on me? I asked a question first!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 08:34:55 pm
Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.

Have I been abrasive this game?

Yeah, a little. There are a few snippy/sarcastic retorts or verging-on-mean comments (#126, #198, #200). It's nothing outside of what people generally accept on this forum, but it's still less pleasant to read than a more neutral or friendly tone.

Yeah well sometimes I'm a little sarcastic. But sometimes you misconstrue things. I'm just here to have fun (and scumhunt) so sometimes I joke around a little bit and maybe even poke fun at people sometimes. Don't take me too seriously.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 06, 2017, 08:46:53 pm
@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 06, 2017, 10:31:30 pm
Hm. I haven't been prodded yet? Flying under the radar for sure. But actually, sorry I haven't spent more time here. I was supposed to be away on a business trip the next week (lots of free time) but now I am staying home (yay! But less free time to mafia)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 06, 2017, 10:33:07 pm
 lynching IDPTG isn't cool anymore? That's no good
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 06, 2017, 11:38:04 pm
galzria has some really townie stuff.  Asking good questions, and it honestly feels like he is scum hunting.
Really? Where? Why is this the only thing without quotes?

Is this because of the people involved, or the fact that three people in a row called skumpy town?
Mostly the former, but I might have reached a different conclusion with other people involved.

137 and 139. Not sure why they didnít get quotes, probably because I didnít want big quotes in there arbitrarily.

So why state it that way instead of just saying once again that you scum read two people?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 06, 2017, 11:39:21 pm
Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.

Have I been abrasive this game?

Yeah, a little. There are a few snippy/sarcastic retorts or verging-on-mean comments (#126, #198, #200). It's nothing outside of what people generally accept on this forum, but it's still less pleasant to read than a more neutral or friendly tone.

Yeah well sometimes I'm a little sarcastic. But sometimes you misconstrue things. I'm just here to have fun (and scumhunt) so sometimes I joke around a little bit and maybe even poke fun at people sometimes. Don't take me too seriously.

These are the posts I was talking about mainly. Iím not saying it is a bad thing, just noting that your tone seemed different from other games I have played with you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 06, 2017, 11:41:02 pm
@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

This also reads townie to me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 06, 2017, 11:47:27 pm
Ah... it was my polite way of trying to avoid saying that I tend to find him a bit abrasive, and that therefore I'm likely to give him less benefit of the doubt than most others when it comes to picking who to vote for.

Have I been abrasive this game?

Yeah, a little. There are a few snippy/sarcastic retorts or verging-on-mean comments (#126, #198, #200). It's nothing outside of what people generally accept on this forum, but it's still less pleasant to read than a more neutral or friendly tone.

Yeah well sometimes I'm a little sarcastic. But sometimes you misconstrue things. I'm just here to have fun (and scumhunt) so sometimes I joke around a little bit and maybe even poke fun at people sometimes. Don't take me too seriously.

These are the posts I was talking about mainly. Iím not saying it is a bad thing, just noting that your tone seemed different from other games I have played with you.

Huh? These posts are after when you said I was negative.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 06, 2017, 11:48:45 pm
Hm. I haven't been prodded yet? Flying under the radar for sure.

Hectic couple of days for me too, sorry. I'll try to contribute later on in a couple hours (not try as in I might post or I might not, try as in hope I make a good decision).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 12:47:56 am
So: Wagons on Andrew, LaLight and me are bad, wagons on Space and Dylan are good. e, Skumpy and Andrew should consider some wagoning. We really want time to claim here.

What is it we need time to claim today?
Roles at L-1.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 12:51:11 am
galzria has some really townie stuff.  Asking good questions, and it honestly feels like he is scum hunting.
Really? Where? Why is this the only thing without quotes?

Is this because of the people involved, or the fact that three people in a row called skumpy town?
Mostly the former, but I might have reached a different conclusion with other people involved.

137 and 139. Not sure why they didnít get quotes, probably because I didnít want big quotes in there arbitrarily.

So why state it that way instead of just saying once again that you scum read two people?
Oops, sorry, I got it the wrong way around :( I meant to say mosty that they all called Skumpy town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 07, 2017, 03:49:47 am
I hate Day 1's.

Did a big read-through where I went back to square 1, and discovered that I have an idea for the wishy-washy stuff scum would say on D1 (looking at the Andrews, 2.7's, and LaLight's of the world) then immediately decide that scum will do the exact opposite (looking at the fausts and IDPTG's of the world and the Spaces of the not-world. Also, congrats to Space on the thing!). I know you all love it when I spam the self-deprecation, but I feel compelled to put it out there.

New top pick at this point is Vote: Andrew.  There's been a wagon on him pretty consistently all day, and while I would expect myself to be afraid of it, it actually hasn't built up much at all. That, and it's not the same self-assuredness I'd expect from him and he's not as abrasive. When I said before that the day feels different because of the non-Faust/Galzria feud, what I was also thinking without saying out loud/on-forum was that at the very least, something is different in the overall interactions, or in other words, there was a townie from 105 who is not townie here, so I could've thrown Andrew into that pair as well for being responsible for the differences.

(Btw, I don't take offense at all to the #126 and #198, I actually do appreciate the honesty a lot. It takes a lot to rattle me, though I did find #64 to be a beautifully profound post).

On my past XX accusation: after DatSwan's defense, uh, I'm putting this on the backburner. Swan had good points, but at the same time, XX's posts still ring a bell or thirty-nine of familiarity. Next picks would be Lalight and 2.7 for now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 07, 2017, 03:50:00 am
But what do I know?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2017, 05:46:00 am
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

oo!

Now I am burning with curiosity but asking you via other means of communication will be clearly game-related, is that your plan? :)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 06:00:11 am
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

oo!

Now I am burning with curiosity but asking you via other means of communication will be clearly game-related, is that your plan? :)
Ingenious!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 07, 2017, 12:30:49 pm
vote: Raptor

I don't like his responses and lack thereof.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 01:01:30 pm
vote: Raptor

I don't like his responses and lack thereof.
That's super unhelpful. What compels you to leave the largest wagon we currently have?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 01:02:23 pm
(not that I particularly like the Andrew wagon, but at least it's a wagon)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 01:31:55 pm
Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 01:33:25 pm
For clarification - Two separate points.
1) agree with the fact switching to XXR probably not well timed
2) bailing on the Andrew wagon for raptor seems suspicious to me
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 02:26:08 pm
Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Why?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 07, 2017, 02:29:14 pm
vote: Raptor

I don't like his responses and lack thereof.
That's super unhelpful. What compels you to leave the largest wagon we currently have?

I'd rather vote where I think scum is than on a wagon for the sake of wagoning. Besides, it was what, three votes?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 07, 2017, 02:46:22 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 07, 2017, 02:54:25 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!

So are you saying that meta arguments don't work with you?  What would cause the change in playstyle?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 07, 2017, 03:08:20 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!

So are you saying that meta arguments don't work with you?  What would cause the change in playstyle?

No I'm not saying meta arguments don't work and I'm not saying they don't work with me. I'm saying (1) two games is a very small sample size, (2) sometimes I feel like approaching a game a different way regardless of alignment and I'm sure other people do the same, (3) every game is different with different people, different situations, etc. so why does everyone expect everyone else to play the same way every game? (Bonus points!) Has anyone bothered to see how I play as scum and compared it to today? Because it seems like everyone thinks the understand how I play town but they don't refer to any supposed scum tells. No I don't think it's really necessary to go through all that (especially on D1) but hey, something to think about right?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 03:17:33 pm
Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Why?

Makes me think it could be skum buddy protection lowering  wagon count prior to the inevitable last minute piles that will soon ensue.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 03:50:44 pm
Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Why?

Makes me think it could be skum buddy protection lowering  wagon count prior to the inevitable last minute piles that will soon ensue.
So, want to lynch Idplay? I mean this is stronger evidence on him than it is on Andrew.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 03:54:43 pm
So, deadline is what, 5 hours away? There was talk about an extension, is that still happening? Otherwise this is the last from me, and let's hope things go increbily well.

I'm looking at how I could change my vote, but not really. I don't like the other wagons except Space, and Space only is at two votes because they have an old chairs vote on them that will probably not hold up. So let's just lynch Dylan, yeah? Still scummy, still done nothing, and I'll be very happy to see anti-town people removed no matter the alignment.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 07, 2017, 04:01:53 pm
Deadline is on Wednesday.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 07, 2017, 04:02:11 pm
So, deadline is what, 5 hours away? There was talk about an extension, is that still happening? Otherwise this is the last from me, and let's hope things go increbily well.

I'm looking at how I could change my vote, but not really. I don't like the other wagons except Space, and Space only is at two votes because they have an old chairs vote on them that will probably not hold up. So let's just lynch Dylan, yeah? Still scummy, still done nothing, and I'll be very happy to see anti-town people removed no matter the alignment.

I'm pretty sure an extension has already been given.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 07, 2017, 04:04:20 pm
Well okay. Still we need to get things going somehow.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 07, 2017, 04:06:37 pm
Well okay. Still we need to get things going somehow.

I'll do the second half of my reread and vote hopefully soon (kinda busy at work right now).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 07, 2017, 04:11:29 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!

I have a (user)name.

It's my second game. Stop expecting some masterful argument from me where I give you some amazing breakdown of your play to figure you out in(in MVL when they were town they said 'can I' , but in MC when they were scum they said 'may I'!). I have a sample size of 1 game, and I'm too lazy to comb through your past games. You have played differently, and that is the best information I have. How else should I be deciding? A D12?

At this point I would be most OK with lynching someone who I've played with before for more than a couple of days, both because I have a better read of them and because I'm hesitant to anger someone who I've never played with before (which I have violated a bit so far, but let's forget about that). And of the {you, DatSwan, Raptor, Faust, Galzria}, you're my top pick for a lynch (only by a little over Raptor, but still). I am not dead stuck on you, I am very much open to at least considering other options at this point for any of the other 11 if you or anybody else can give me a good reason. But it's still day 1. And I don't think I or anyone else is capable of saying something really persuasive. This is all just a total crapshoot, and my dice are flipping 13 for you.

To quickly hit your last point, in my first game, you were not lynched and were never in danger of it after the first day, a day in which you were my biggest townread, so I personally can't relate to that sentiment. Sorry :-\
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 05:16:07 pm
Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Why?

Makes me think it could be skum buddy protection lowering  wagon count prior to the inevitable last minute piles that will soon ensue.
So, want to lynch Idplay? I mean this is stronger evidence on him than it is on Andrew.

Fair enough. I could go for that but doubt we gain much support.
vote: dylan seems like a better plan for the time being. Def could change on that but for now seems like a fine choice.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:13:06 pm
Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

oo!

Now I am burning with curiosity but asking you via other means of communication will be clearly game-related, is that your plan? :)
Ingenious!

Do we still have a Berlin-group Telegram where I can gossip about non-game-related personal circumstances maybe?

Actually, I'm too busy tonight to do gossip and do any reasonable thinking about the game... I have approximately till my mystery secret person has finished the washing up, then we're going to bed. Luckily we had sushi'n'Trek night with a couple of friends, so the washing up pile is pretty big :-P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:16:38 pm
1) I don't think scum!faust gets so hung up on lynching totally absent me D1, unless he thinks I'm a skeptical enough person that I would be maybe kind of hard to manipulate later in the game or something. Either way, there are probably other people that he would want to try to get lynched before me as scum. So I guess I'll call faust town for now.

Though if you're both scum, I can totally see him pushing the bus in exactly this sort of way. And his suspicion of me this game seems a bit unfounded, so I'm getting more and more worried about the possibility of scum!faust.

@Space: Thanks for the comment about enjoying my usual playstyle. The feeling is mutual.

Thank you :-) Don't think I won't vote for you if you're not more pro-town from now on, though :-P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 07, 2017, 06:18:47 pm
Vote: Datswan

He seems a little careful to me and a little too accommodating to me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:19:14 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!

If it helps at all, I'm not voting for you for being not-an-asshole :-) I'm voting for you for being not a definitely-not-an-asshole and also more not-definitely-town than most for the moment.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 07, 2017, 06:19:36 pm
I edited that sentence but not enough to make it not sound weird. Sorry.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 07, 2017, 06:21:00 pm
So I guess people are voting for me because I'm not being an asshole or something? Well it's not for me to decide whether I'm an asshole or not so I can't really debate that. But I can say that just because you look at two games and see that I'm playing different doesn't really mean that I'm town in one and scum in the other. So I think it's a pretty poor reasoning for a lynch. Besides, I died N1 in my last game and I already asked not to be killed in the first day/night this game! That really isn't any fun!

If it helps at all, I'm not voting for you for being not-an-asshole :-) I'm voting for you for being not a definitely-not-an-asshole and also more not-definitely-town than most for the moment.

In that case, who else is on your "not-definitely-town" list?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:24:46 pm
Hey Swan and Raptor, could you guys put some personal text or a Shuffle iT username or something onto your account profile so it's easier to search for you?

How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 07, 2017, 06:30:06 pm
(not that I particularly like the Andrew wagon, but at least it's a wagon)

If this is what you have to say about the wagon but hold that I should have stayed on it, why aren't you on it?

How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

I just viewed his posts off his profile page.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:33:24 pm
In that case, who else is on your "not-definitely-town" list?

Everyone other than me. But at your end of it I guess Swanraptorpy and maybe e is creeping that way. Dylan, faust and Galz are in middle ground. IDP and LL are at the townier end of things. I can't do anything about reading Awaclus for now, and I want to see more from gkrieg before judging.

I think e is a problem for me because I'm beginning to feel he's maybe a bit scummy, but that usually happens if he's being a town with wildly different ideas than I have.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:36:59 pm
How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

I just viewed his posts off his profile page.

I'd quite forgotten that that was a thing. Thank you :-)

And yes, I'd quite happily vote Raptor after seeing the sum total of his posts in this game to date. Though I'm staying on my current wagon for the moment.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 07, 2017, 06:39:24 pm
Deadline is 9pm forum time tomorrow. That's quite late here (like 2am), so I'm very unlikely to be able to stay up till the deadline itself, but I should be online on and off from around 15.30 forum time when I'm home and fed, up till bedtime.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 07, 2017, 06:45:58 pm
1) I don't think scum!faust gets so hung up on lynching totally absent me D1, unless he thinks I'm a skeptical enough person that I would be maybe kind of hard to manipulate later in the game or something. Either way, there are probably other people that he would want to try to get lynched before me as scum. So I guess I'll call faust town for now.

Though if you're both scum, I can totally see him pushing the bus in exactly this sort of way. And his suspicion of me this game seems a bit unfounded, so I'm getting more and more worried about the possibility of scum!faust.

@Space: Thanks for the comment about enjoying my usual playstyle. The feeling is mutual.

Thank you :-) Don't think I won't vote for you if you're not more pro-town from now on, though :-P

That's fair. Frankly I would expect nothing less :p

Re: faust.
What exactly have I done that was scummy? I literally was absent for the first week of the game... (sorry again) I had the first post of the game, answered a question before I realized the answer had already been given, then forgot to post a VLA... That's not scummy, it's just nothing. First of all, compare every town game to every scum game of mine, and I have been significantly more likely to be less active or go stretches without posting as town than as scum. I pay tend to be more engaged because I enjoy the challenge of being scum. I'm trying to bring my town game up to that level, but clearly haven't yet.

Call it whatever you want, but Vote: faust. I don't always get scummy vibes from people who push for my lynch. In fact I have actually given town points depending on how it was done before. But this feels incredibly similar to times my lynch has been pushed by scum. Example includes the way scum!Awaclus pushed me in British Bonkers, and scum!LL in M94. M96 is an example of me getting lynched as town due to inactivity. Read any red game in my sig for an example of me doing more (or at least enough to not really be suspicious for posting level.) I think my scum game with Andrew I did have one stretch where I got super busy irl, but other than that, yeah, those games should back me up if memory serves.

PPE 5 due to looking up game numbers
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 07:07:08 pm
Hey Swan and Raptor, could you guys put some personal text or a Shuffle iT username or something onto your account profile so it's easier to search for you?

How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

Sorry didnít know that was a thing. There you go.
Also - twin claim in our case is Galz me and Raptor all work together.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 07:20:25 pm
Vote: Datswan

He seems a little careful to me and a little too accommodating to me.

Iím sorry for being thoughtful and helpful :P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 07, 2017, 07:21:51 pm
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I'm biased of course, but I don't know how you mix me up with Raptor. Or me with anybody for that matter. Then again, I'm starting to get totally lost between everybody and all their reads. Votecount please? And I know nobody past their bleak lifeless profiles, so I claim no twins.

I was 'not wanting to lynch Dylan' before. One Dylan post later and I'm 'really not wanting to lynch Dylan' now.
I get his faust vote and I know he's going to be scum this game, but I'm not voting there because I don't want to risk being wrong. Yet.

So town is split like dead even on Andrew, Dylan, Faust, Space, Galzria,....pretty much everybody (except me  :D). I'm staying on Andrew for now, it still bothers me that that wagon has never managed to build up much, but I have a very flexible vote. I don't see Andrew getting lynched, so we'll see where the wandering wind takes me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 07, 2017, 07:23:45 pm
Sorry didnít know that was a thing. There you go.
Also - twin claim in our case is Galz me and Raptor all work together.

Which reminds me: am I allowed to ask what you guys do for a living that lets you be up at 2 in the morning and has you working weekends? Or is that too personal?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 07, 2017, 07:31:05 pm
Sorry didnít know that was a thing. There you go.
Also - twin claim in our case is Galz me and Raptor all work together.

Which reminds me: am I allowed to ask what you guys do for a living that lets you be up at 2 in the morning and has you working weekends? Or is that too personal?

Haha nah itís good.
We run a few swim schools.
Weekends because we all coach.
.... canít really explain the 2am but...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 07, 2017, 08:32:20 pm
In that case, who else is on your "not-definitely-town" list?

Everyone other than me. But at your end of it I guess Swanraptorpy and maybe e is creeping that way. Dylan, faust and Galz are in middle ground. IDP and LL are at the townier end of things. I can't do anything about reading Awaclus for now, and I want to see more from gkrieg before judging.

I think e is a problem for me because I'm beginning to feel he's maybe a bit scummy, but that usually happens if he's being a town with wildly different ideas than I have.

Sorry, I haven't posted enough for us to disagree on stuff
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2017, 11:09:59 pm
Vote count 1.4

AndrewisFTTW (2): SpaceAnemone, Skumpy
LaLight (1): Galzria
Dylan32 (3): faust, LaLight, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
faust (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus, Dylan32
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
DatSwan (1): AndrewisFTTW

not voting (0):

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in just under a day.

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Not sure what to make of this, almost feels like they have more information than the rest of us, like this was planned beforehand (although knowing who this is coming from, this is just about as likely to just be normal for them.)

Haha :-) I do have an exciting secret, though it's nothing alignment-relevant. Just something awesome I haven't told LL about yet. Or most of the rest of the world. Well, Haddock knows.

I was going to say that it's nothing game-relevant, but actually it does kind of cut down on my available playing time.

Anyway, life is good ;-)

oo!
I should add that it's nothing directly to do with Haddock! It's just that he's met the person it does involve two or three times, and it's not a secret from games people :-P

SPACE IS ADOPTING HADDOCK EVERYONE TELL THE PRESS
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2017, 11:10:47 pm
ha. i took this pagetop from e but gave him the last one
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 12:01:59 am
Vote: Datswan

He seems a little careful to me and a little too accommodating to me.

Iím sorry for being thoughtful and helpful :P

I don't think you're being thoughtful or helpful. I don't think you're not being thoughtful or helpful either. And that wouldn't mean you shouldn't be lynched anyways.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 12:48:15 am
Yes I recognize how confusing that last post was. Whatever.

Oh and DAMA!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 01:27:38 am
Vote: Datswan

He seems a little careful to me and a little too accommodating to me.

Iím sorry for being thoughtful and helpful :P


I don't think you're being thoughtful or helpful. I don't think you're not being thoughtful or helpful either. And that wouldn't mean you shouldn't be lynched anyways.

Fair enough. I mean I don't agree, but still you are entitled to your opinion.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 01:39:29 am
Hey Swan and Raptor, could you guys put some personal text or a Shuffle iT username or something onto your account profile so it's easier to search for you?

How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

Yeah I updated it, sorry.
And like swan said, we all work together. And are close friends irl.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 01:42:59 am
OK so with the deadline move, if we play down to the wire I will be at work. I will still have limited access, but all the same here is this FWIW:

Towny:
XXR
Galz
Skumpy

Null/Towny:
Faust
GK

Null/Skummy:
Awaclus
Dylan
Space

Skummy:
Andrew
IDPTG
LL
E!


And, with those re considerations, plus I just don't see me coming off as skummy right now so I kind of don't get it - vote:Andrew
I don't want it to come off as OMGUS, even though I know it will. I just believe a Town!Andrew vote at this point on someone more likely to be lynched. Vote for me just feels off. I don't really like the Dylan lynch anymore either.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 01:45:23 am
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.
Historically, a twin claim means that someone reveals that two people know each other IRL. (they do not actually need to be twins; maybe the first f.ds twinclaim was Robz and mcmc, but I'm not sure) So like, you and LaLight and me could have a twin claim, even if it's kinda weird as we only know each other through the forum. I think it was considered polite to announce that back in the old days. It seems less relevant now that some people have played dozens of games together, so they're bound to know each other quite well even if they're not acquainted IRL.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 01:56:10 am
What exactly have I done that was scummy?
What exactly have you done that was not scummy?

I literally was absent for the first week of the game... (sorry again) I had the first post of the game, answered a question before I realized the answer had already been given, then forgot to post a VLA... That's not scummy, it's just nothing.
It matters what you didn't do that you could have done. You decided to go for theory talk instead of sharing reads. Since early reads are the most difficult for scum, that is scummy right there. Also for some reason you ignored you last post, which is the main reason for me still finding you scummy.

First of all, compare every town game to every scum game of mine, and I have been significantly more likely to be less active or go stretches without posting as town than as scum. I pay tend to be more engaged because I enjoy the challenge of being scum. I'm trying to bring my town game up to that level, but clearly haven't yet.
So have you been VLA or have you been less active because you're town? Because if it's the former, and you use in your defense, that's highly disingenuous.

Call it whatever you want, but Vote: faust.
I call it "conveniently using OMGUS to jump on a mislynch wagon".

I don't always get scummy vibes from people who push for my lynch. In fact I have actually given town points depending on how it was done before. But this feels incredibly similar to times my lynch has been pushed by scum. Example includes the way scum!Awaclus pushed me in British Bonkers, and scum!LL in M94. M96 is an example of me getting lynched as town due to inactivity.
How is it similar? I am not Awaclus nor LaLight; what makes you think I would do the same as them as scum?


Read any red game in my sig for an example of me doing more (or at least enough to not really be suspicious for posting level.) I think my scum game with Andrew I did have one stretch where I got super busy irl, but other than that, yeah, those games should back me up if memory serves.

PPE 5 due to looking up game numbers
More using your supposed VLA as a defense.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:24:05 am
I was 'not wanting to lynch Dylan' before. One Dylan post later and I'm 'really not wanting to lynch Dylan' now.
I get his faust vote
How do you get his vote on me? Have you read M94 and M96, the games he references as the reason for his vote? If yes, could you point out some of the similarities between me and Awaclus/LaLight in those games? If not, how can you possibly get a vote that is founded in games that you know nothing about?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:26:40 am
OK so with the deadline move, if we play down to the wire I will be at work. I will still have limited access, but all the same here is this FWIW:

Towny:
XXR
Galz
Skumpy
I remember your positions on XXR and Skumpy, but can you remind me why you think Galzria is town?

I don't really like the Dylan lynch anymore either.
Why not?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:27:26 am
I guess I do ask more questions as town. Need to fix that.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 02:31:24 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 02:34:14 am


I was 'not wanting to lynch Dylan' before. One Dylan post later and I'm 'really not wanting to lynch Dylan' now.
I get his faust vote
How do you get his vote on me? Have you read M94 and M96, the games he references as the reason for his vote? If yes, could you point out some of the similarities between me and Awaclus/LaLight in those games? If not, how can you possibly get a vote that is founded in games that you know nothing about?

It's the 'Not' scenario. I'm not basing the 'I get it' off his specific instances, it's off how I agree that scum wouldn't push hard to get a mislynch because it's an obvious tell, which is why it's a genius play from a clever scum. Sure, you're not Awaclus or Lalight, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't do a similar thing. You're smart.

And also:
Read any red game in my sig for an example of me doing more (or at least enough to not really be suspicious for posting level.) I think my scum game with Andrew I did have one stretch where I got super busy irl, but other than that, yeah, those games should back me up if memory serves.

PPE 5 due to looking up game numbers
More using your supposed VLA as a defense.

...are you really going to go there? He literally wasn't on the forums for 3 days.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 02:42:15 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!

After your ďplease let me live to D2Ē bit... yeah i do.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:45:30 am
And also:
Read any red game in my sig for an example of me doing more (or at least enough to not really be suspicious for posting level.) I think my scum game with Andrew I did have one stretch where I got super busy irl, but other than that, yeah, those games should back me up if memory serves.

PPE 5 due to looking up game numbers
More using your supposed VLA as a defense.

...are you really going to go there? He literally wasn't on the forums for 3 days.
You are getting this wrong. I am not the one going there, he is. He says he's town because he's not active. But then he also says he's VLA, which would mean he's inactive as either alignment. So how can he be town for that? It doesn't make sense. I don't want to imply that the VLA wasn't real, but if it was real, the Dylan cannot argue that he's town because he's less active.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 02:46:50 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!

After your ďplease let me live to D2Ē bit... yeah i do.

Like I said, deadline is tomorrow and if I need to move my vote tomorrow to get a lynch through I'll do so. But it's not too late to start a new wagon, which is the assumption your argument is based on
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:47:36 am


I was 'not wanting to lynch Dylan' before. One Dylan post later and I'm 'really not wanting to lynch Dylan' now.
I get his faust vote
How do you get his vote on me? Have you read M94 and M96, the games he references as the reason for his vote? If yes, could you point out some of the similarities between me and Awaclus/LaLight in those games? If not, how can you possibly get a vote that is founded in games that you know nothing about?

It's the 'Not' scenario. I'm not basing the 'I get it' off his specific instances, it's off how I agree that scum wouldn't push hard to get a mislynch because it's an obvious tell, which is why it's a genius play from a clever scum. Sure, you're not Awaclus or Lalight, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't do a similar thing. You're smart.
Well thanks. But do you have any reason to think that I would not push this hard as town?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 02:48:12 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!
Meh. DatSwan is town. How about you vote Dylan?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 02:52:39 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!

After your ďplease let me live to D2Ē bit... yeah i do.

Like I said, deadline is tomorrow and if I need to move my vote tomorrow to get a lynch through I'll do so. But it's not too late to start a new wagon, which is the assumption your argument is based on

Iím confused... didnít you just say Town you -wouldnít- switch votes just bc someone is more likely to be lynched? Why would the same person feel the need to point out they will ďswitch their vote just to get a lynch lynch throughĒ?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 02:55:03 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!
Meh. DatSwan is town. How about you vote Dylan?

Yeah maybe. Do you have any specific reasons for your townread on DatSwan?

You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!

After your ďplease let me live to D2Ē bit... yeah i do.

Like I said, deadline is tomorrow and if I need to move my vote tomorrow to get a lynch through I'll do so. But it's not too late to start a new wagon, which is the assumption your argument is based on

Iím confused... didnít you just say Town you -wouldnít- switch votes just bc someone is more likely to be lynched? Why would the same person feel the need to point out they will ďswitch their vote just to get a lynch lynch throughĒ?

Where did I say I wouldn't switch votes? I just said we have time to start a new wagon and so just because someone has a large wagon them not doesn't they will at deadline so I don't feel the need to switch my vote at this moment.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 02:56:16 am
Sorry I meant "just because someone has a large wagon on them now doesn't mean they will at deadline".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 03:01:07 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!
Meh. DatSwan is town. How about you vote Dylan?

Iím just not seeing it anymore right now. Heís back and talking and 99% of the reason i was boring for him was bc he was MIA.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 03:10:10 am
You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!
Meh. DatSwan is town. How about you vote Dylan?

Yeah maybe. Do you have any specific reasons for your townread on DatSwan?

You think if I was town I'd have my vote on someone "more likely to be lynched? First of all I have no idea where you would get that from, that just sounds like someone you made up as an excuse to vote for me because it could be an easy mislynch. But anyway, just because it looks like someone might be lynched right now doesn't mean the picture will be the same tomorrow. Things can change real quick.

Come on people. Vote Datswan!

After your ďplease let me live to D2Ē bit... yeah i do.

Like I said, deadline is tomorrow and if I need to move my vote tomorrow to get a lynch through I'll do so. But it's not too late to start a new wagon, which is the assumption your argument is based on

Iím confused... didnít you just say Town you -wouldnít- switch votes just bc someone is more likely to be lynched? Why would the same person feel the need to point out they will ďswitch their vote just to get a lynch lynch throughĒ?

Where did I say I wouldn't switch votes? I just said we have time to start a new wagon and so just because someone has a large wagon them not doesn't they will at deadline so I don't feel the need to switch my vote at this moment.

Dylan read- i feel like an skum that comes back after so long would diversify post content and/or go after someone other then their tunneler to take off heat. Not saying town read just saying further up my list.

Switch votes- i feel like we are mid understanding one and other on this one. My point was i found it odd that you voted for me with the note of not having an issue of switching your vote to get a lynch through after saying town you wouldnít just wagon on someone to make a lynch happen.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 03:16:48 am


I was 'not wanting to lynch Dylan' before. One Dylan post later and I'm 'really not wanting to lynch Dylan' now.
I get his faust vote
How do you get his vote on me? Have you read M94 and M96, the games he references as the reason for his vote? If yes, could you point out some of the similarities between me and Awaclus/LaLight in those games? If not, how can you possibly get a vote that is founded in games that you know nothing about?

It's the 'Not' scenario. I'm not basing the 'I get it' off his specific instances, it's off how I agree that scum wouldn't push hard to get a mislynch because it's an obvious tell, which is why it's a genius play from a clever scum. Sure, you're not Awaclus or Lalight, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't do a similar thing. You're smart.
Well thanks. But do you have any reason to think that I would not push this hard as town?

Not at all, which is part of the reason I'm not voting you. "I get it" does not equal "yeah, let's vote for faust".

The main part, as I have said before, is I'm going to feel like an absolute jerkwad if I mislynch you day 1 after I nearly singlehandedly got you mislynched in my one and only time playing (I hope you're all getting tired of this). And the fact that I don't want to lynch you + superstition is real = you're probably scum. Honestly, there's so much going for you and against you (like my last time) that I'm just going to put off trying to read you for another day, and hope something occurs in the meantime that will give me a better feel.


By the way @everybody, what should I be making of the fact that Awaclus has gone MIA? That's a lynch I think I'm OK with.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 03:18:24 am
Where did I say town!me wouldn't switch votes to get a Lynch through? I think you're misunderstanding something I said.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 03:36:53 am
By the way @everybody, what should I be making of the fact that Awaclus has gone MIA? That's a lynch I think I'm OK with.
It's not terribly unusual for Awaclus. Prodding him will probably do nothing. That said, I would also be fine with an Awaclus lynch. I do prefer Dylan.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 04:07:14 am
By the way @everybody, what should I be making of the fact that Awaclus has gone MIA? That's a lynch I think I'm OK with.

You should be making that I have already said everything I want to say for now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 10:11:28 am
In that case, who else is on your "not-definitely-town" list?

Everyone other than me. But at your end of it I guess Swanraptorpy and maybe e is creeping that way. Dylan, faust and Galz are in middle ground. IDP and LL are at the townier end of things. I can't do anything about reading Awaclus for now, and I want to see more from gkrieg before judging.

I think e is a problem for me because I'm beginning to feel he's maybe a bit scummy, but that usually happens if he's being a town with wildly different ideas than I have.

Sorry, I haven't posted enough for us to disagree on stuff

Hmm.. well I certainly disagree if you think that's the most useful comment you could post about the game at this point.

Most of your posts have been very content-light. How are you not picking up a wagon at this point?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 10:55:21 am

By the way @everybody, what should I be making of the fact that Awaclus has gone MIA? That's a lynch I think I'm OK with.

Iím okay with switching to awaclus for this.

i should be around(ish) till deadline.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 11:29:46 am
I like my LL vote still. Would switch willingly to: Raptor, Awaclus. e read townie early, but has been slipping - I would consider him. Space struggles with D1 in general, but I feel tries harder to be more engaged as scum - which is saying something as they were mostly LA in the only D1 scum game I've seen them in. So town there for now. Faust I've said I believe is town. He's had a few scum things the past few days but would still be a horrible lynch at this point. Swan is obviously trying to be more engaged - I don't particularly see this change in general playstyle coming from scum!Swan immediately following his first scum game - that is, I think he's more likely to make a drastic change in overall style as town. Chairs had scum ticks, Gkrieg town ticks. Probably don't want to lynch there today.

Everybody else I don't really have crazy strong opinions on. Andrew is definitely different than 105, but not nearly enough for me to think he's scum instead of town here.

IDontPlay is more active than 108 for sure - but most of his posts are neutral - nothing really stands out, which is where he was D1 in 108 when lynched.

Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.

Skumpy is my 50/50 read. The self awareness drives my scum radar nuts, but it's very similar to 105 where he was town - so for now, and until I have reason to believe otherwise: town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 08, 2017, 11:45:08 am
Maybe finishing reread right now.


Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said

I think at this point, you have to believe that Datswan made up a bunch of townslips, or that he is actually town.  He does the math wrong a ton of times, and I think it would've been talked about in the scum QT about what the probabilities of everything happening was.

Letís see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said
Well he has only two posts, so you did not miss much. None of them contains even a hint of a read. Early on that was sufficient reason to vote already. Now the case is strengthened by LAL.

Isn't this pretty normal for Dylan?  He was town and acted this exact way in the last game I played with him.

Awaclus seems townie to me from his vote for faust.  Faust is seeming less and less townie with his insistent tunneling.

Also, I think faust and galzria are the ones worrying about the deadline too much, which I think is scummy.

I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Maybe. But you do acknowledge that my vote for Dylan is just as good as your vote for Andrew?

Is that your acknowledgement that you perceive my vote for Andrew to be just as good as your vote for Dylan? I hold that my vote for Andrew is better than your vote for Dylan. I acknowledge that we're both voting for people who haven't posted any content, however I'm more comfortable voting for the person with more posts.

And of course Awaclus would say that.

PPE: 2

I think I have to agree with IDPTG here.  I think his vote on Andrew is better than faust's vote on Dylan.

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

This post is pretty scummy.  Why go for the middle posters, and why is chairs a middle poster?

I think splitting people up based on their activity and choosing that one posting group is overall scummier than another is crazy. I don't think I have different posting habits as scum, and the people you are saying are lurkers here are lurky as town as well, and the people with high post counts have high post counts as scum and town.

up to #203, gotta go again.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 11:48:51 am
A reread of Raptor (10 posts):

Post 1/10:
Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS!RVS vote. Not alignment indicative or really indicative of anything, but I'm including it because it's a post.

Post 2/10:

Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

Request prods on Dylan and Raptor

Yeah Iím here and up to date. I just donít feel like I have any useful info at this time. Iíll try to contribute more.

Second post of the game and it's in response to a prod request. The game was going pretty slow at that point, but there were 50+ posts since his RVS one and he had nothing to say. This sounds like hiding to me.

Post 3/10:

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Voting faust for...no reason at all, really. We hear about it in

Post 4/10

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.

1- that's kind of the point of posting. We try to show people why a person is scum and therefore why we should lynch them.

2- contradicted by 3 and 4. 3 is a personal reason rather than seeing faust as scummy for it. 4 says faust is as good as Dylan and raptor doesn't want to vote Dylan without much evidence, so this is inconsistent with the faust vote.

Post 5/10

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
Well I was. So what?

2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
So stuff will happen and we don't stall out with everyone saying "well I don't have anything worthwhile to post".

4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
What evidence?

3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Fair enough, but that is not really a game-related reason.

1) to me thats a scummy move
2) I did something, voted you.
4) my point exactly, thanks.
3) its all game related.. because thats what you said in the game.

PPE: 2

To me, this all comes down to 4 contradicting the earlier stance for not voting Dylan because raptor is willing to vote faust without evidence.

Post 6/10

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please donít tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?

I donít think you should tell someone how to vote. Especially without reason.

Not much to say about this as it doesn't really say much.

Post 7/10:

Hey raptor. Any opinions yet?

yes, sorry i will do a full read list later this evening. I apologize for i can't get to it sooner, my weekends are hectic.

Now we have two posts apologizing for lack of content. Still seems like hiding.

Post 8/10:

As promised- Reads

scum pool:
Faust- I stand by my vote for the mean time. Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning. That said my vote may change by end day.
Galz- he questioned my vote on Fuast and states faust is town w/o reasoning. That said i'm not sure if they are partners. just scummy to me
Skumpy- they are just interesting... Seems to be playing less aggressive then they did in 105.
Datswan- seems to be quite for someone who normally has a lot to say

have not had much interaction with any other players and/or nothing that has caught my attention as scummy.

One of the worst reads lists I've seen. Most of the players are left off the list and next to nothing is said about those on the list. He hasn't given us anything to look at later and there isn't a semi-solid stance on there. More hiding.

Post 9/10:

As promised- Reads

scum pool:
Faust- I stand by my vote for the mean time. Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning. That said my vote may change by end day.
Galz- he questioned my vote on Fuast and states faust is town w/o reasoning. That said i'm not sure if they are partners. just scummy to me
Skumpy- they are just interesting... Seems to be playing less aggressive then they did in 105.
Datswan- seems to be quite for someone who normally has a lot to say

have not had much interaction with any other players and/or nothing that has caught my attention as scummy.

Can you elaborate on your faust read?

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

This is mostly the post that I was referring too. I know its not the best evidence, but its good enough for rn.

PPE:1

That's not elaboration. So he's still voting faust without a better reason, which is still inconsistent.

Post 10/10:

Hey Swan and Raptor, could you guys put some personal text or a Shuffle iT username or something onto your account profile so it's easier to search for you?

How are the rest of you doing targeted re-reads on Raptor?

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

Yeah I updated it, sorry.
And like swan said, we all work together. And are close friends irl.

Nothing really relevant.

So why aren't we voting raptor? All he's done is talk without saying anything. His content is non-existent and it seems like he's trying to slide under the radar so to speak.

PPE 4: I'll read them soon, I was busy with quotes.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 11:49:37 am

By the way @everybody, what should I be making of the fact that Awaclus has gone MIA? That's a lynch I think I'm OK with.

Iím okay with switching to awaclus for this.

i should be around(ish) till deadline.

Oh look. Raptor posted. And is again willing to vote for a terrible reason.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 11:59:16 am
While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:03:03 pm
Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.
You won't lynch on VLA? Okay, I'm VLA for the rest of the game!

Seriously though, you are choosing to ignore the fact that Dylan has posts, and these posts are all scummy.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:04:41 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:05:21 pm
by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 12:07:37 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 12:10:14 pm
by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present

It hasn't been 24 hours yet, hold your horses.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 12:12:28 pm
in both this game and fleetwood mac i have the issue where i'm like listening to other music and want to include things from that music and not the flavor one

but like.

carrie and lowell is a really good cd.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 12:12:55 pm
routine thread maintenance.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:15:06 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:15:42 pm
by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present

It hasn't been 24 hours yet, hold your horses.
Yay for content! You may post more than once every 24 hours, you know.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:20:42 pm
Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.
You won't lynch on VLA? Okay, I'm VLA for the rest of the game!

Correct. I believe using VLA like that is against the spirit of the game. I would not play with somebody who does that - and I would hope there would be community consequences for someone who did.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 12:21:44 pm
by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present

It hasn't been 24 hours yet, hold your horses.
Yay for content! You may post more than once every 24 hours, you know.

I'm well aware, but I've read the last 4 pages like three times, and all that stands out to me is your tunnel on me. And it's not that helpful to keep beating that dead horse, so I'm trying to find a reason to vote for someone else, but nothing is sticking out.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:22:02 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 12:26:14 pm
And for what it's worth faust, we were partners in my first scum game. If a scum is ever going to have a hard time making up reads, it would be their first one, right? It would, and yet that wasn't the case for me. I made it to the end of the game and not once did people think I was having a hard time making up reads. Why you might ask? Because for me as scum, I know that I am free to say whatever the heck I want with just a little bit of reasoning and there is no reason my reads have to be right or not. As town, reads need to be right more than they are wrong if town is going to win. So as town I feel more pressure to have stuff that backs up my reads and end up struggling to figure out what to say.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 12:28:05 pm
lemme tell ya, when she walks, she waaaalks
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 12:28:15 pm
and lemme tell ya, when she talks..
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 12:28:26 pm
Vote count 1.5

AndrewisFTTW (3): SpaceAnemone, Skumpy, DatSwan
LaLight (1): Galzria
Dylan32 (2): faust, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
faust (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus, Dylan32
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
DatSwan (1): AndrewisFTTW

not voting (0):

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in 8 and a half hours.

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by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:31:31 pm
Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.
Seriously though, you are choosing to ignore the fact that Dylan has posts, and these posts are all scummy.

He has 4 posts made beyond 10 minutes ago (6 total now).

The first post was RVS, start of game. The second post was answering a question of mine during a slow moving portion of the game.

The other two posts are the only thing that could be referred to as scummy, as they're reads posts - and as I generally am reading the game the same as he is, I don't disagree with him, I don't find them scummy.

Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:34:08 pm
And for what it's worth faust, we were partners in my first scum game. If a scum is ever going to have a hard time making up reads, it would be their first one, right? It would, and yet that wasn't the case for me. I made it to the end of the game and not once did people think I was having a hard time making up reads. Why you might ask? Because for me as scum, I know that I am free to say whatever the heck I want with just a little bit of reasoning and there is no reason my reads have to be right or not. As town, reads need to be right more than they are wrong if town is going to win. So as town I feel more pressure to have stuff that backs up my reads and end up struggling to figure out what to say.
I'm confused. Who said you have a hard time making up reads?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 12:36:59 pm
While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:38:00 pm
Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
That is absolutely not what I said. I did not question his VLA, I pointed out that he tried to defend himself by being disingenuous about his VLA. The rest of my read is harder to explain, it may be that his reads feel wrong, they feel geared towards making them seem townie. For example in his third post he mentioned something about Awaclus, that never came back up or did anything, but it sure had people go "uh the guy keeps things secret, he must be town!"
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 12:40:03 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

But looking at the vote count, there are two scummy people + Raptor on my wagon. They can't all be scum, so Raptor seems townier from this.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 12:52:12 pm
While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1

Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:52:55 pm
Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
That is absolutely not what I said. I did not question his VLA, I pointed out that he tried to defend himself by being disingenuous about his VLA.

I think we're essentially seeing and saying the same thing on this. I get your argument regarding his saying "I'm more town because I've posted less" being an irrelevant defense because if he was VLA, that is in no way alignment indicative. As such, such a defense from him carriers no merit.

Your argument is that his use of that defense is scummy, when his defense should simply be "I was VLA. Your argument is that he shouldn't be trying to make us think this posting style is similar to town!Dylan, when this posting style should be most similar to VLA!Dylan, which is not alignment indicative.

I get all that. The way you posted definitely read like you were questioning the VLA. Not just to me, but to others. That said, there is some merit in what you're suggesting. I just think it leads to lynching somebody who was VLA - and what you get from that is a coin flip lynch, that's naturally weighted towards town, that produces the least amount of interactional information with which to work D2.

That said, I'll reevaluate your other points on him - if you're able to elaborate further, that would be helpful.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:54:40 pm
guys, I am sorry for super inactivity compared to my usual play. I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap, having two interviews tomorrow and making assignments for interviews. There is a nonzero chance I will get one of the jobs tomorrow and fully will be here. Sorry again. Still fine with Dylan vote especially after

I'm trying to find a reason to vote for someone else, but nothing is sticking out.

super scummy. I feel very same when I am scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 12:54:59 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:55:33 pm
I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

But looking at the vote count, there are two scummy people + Raptor on my wagon. They can't all be scum, so Raptor seems townier from this.

Why can't they all be scum?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:55:37 pm
While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1

Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.

I am not sure if it is me but clearly Raptor mixes up the terminology
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:56:00 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

Ha. Was just about to post this.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:56:40 pm
hm, after looking at vote count, what's up with Andrew wagon? I missed why people are voting him at all
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:57:12 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:57:47 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:58:18 pm
oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:58:21 pm
While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1

Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.

I am not sure if it is me but clearly Raptor mixes up the terminology

Why
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 12:58:30 pm
I'll be away for a little, but I'll come back.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 12:58:56 pm
oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:59:23 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why

this doesn't happen like this. I don't know. Otherwise Raptor would correct himself up to this point
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 12:59:47 pm
oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 01:01:23 pm
oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc

Sorry, you're correct. 8 hours.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 01:02:44 pm
oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc

Sorry, you're correct. 8 hours.

it will be 5 am at where I live so sorry, won't be here.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 01:03:31 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why

this doesn't happen like this. I don't know. Otherwise Raptor would correct himself up to this point

ok even if this is a correct assumption, I feel like lynching Dylan is still the best course of action
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 01:24:06 pm
Really? Nobody into a DatSwan lynch?

I'll be around for a few more hours but not for deadline.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 01:31:08 pm
I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 01:37:42 pm
Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why

this doesn't happen like this. I don't know. Otherwise Raptor would correct himself up to this point

What, and draw attention to the fact that he said bus? Not convinced.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 01:38:50 pm
I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

The upside of a Dylan lynch is that if he's scum, my wild theory is looking pretty good. I'd still rather start with raptor.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 01:40:26 pm
And I agree about not lynching the V/LA person because I think we all have too much integrity to strategically claim V/LA to dodge a lynch, but he's had time to contribute.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 01:50:18 pm
And I agree about not lynching the V/LA person because I think we all have too much integrity to strategically claim V/LA to dodge a lynch, but he's had time to contribute.
Noone is VLA.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 01:55:29 pm
Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.
You won't lynch on VLA? Okay, I'm VLA for the rest of the game!

I know you weren't serious, but I wanted to put it out there. And my comment was specifically about Dylan and how he's not V/LA at the moment.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 03:20:46 pm
I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

Not going to go into the whole Andrew specific thing here... but primary issue I have with the Dylan wagon right now is... the dude is back. Like half the wagon is rolling because of lack of responses. If he is skum I just think he would be more responsive. Not a great argument, but still kind of to be considered.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 03:26:10 pm
I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

Not going to go into the whole Andrew specific thing here... but primary issue I have with the Dylan wagon right now is... the dude is back. Like half the wagon is rolling because of lack of responses. If he is skum I just think he would be more responsive. Not a great argument, but still kind of to be considered.

If you're not into Dylan or raptor, convince me of why I should vote Andrew.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 03:27:43 pm
And if you're not into Andrew, move your vote. I'd rather not do this at deadline since we have a decent number of people that won't be around.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 08, 2017, 03:30:53 pm
Alright, I'm gone. Good luck with everything.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 03:35:44 pm
Really? Nobody into a DatSwan lynch?

I'll be around for a few more hours but not for deadline.

Andrew, what do you think of a raptor lynch? Would you move to Dylan if needed? Why should I vote DatSwan?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 03:38:15 pm
Raptor, do you have anything to say in response to my read of you?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 03:58:05 pm
I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

Not going to go into the whole Andrew specific thing here... but primary issue I have with the Dylan wagon right now is... the dude is back. Like half the wagon is rolling because of lack of responses. If he is skum I just think he would be more responsive. Not a great argument, but still kind of to be considered.

If you're not into Dylan or raptor, convince me of why I should vote Andrew.

I am not very good at convincing people of anything on D1, especially because I have such a limited play history with all of you.
My reasons are pretty much
1) Very different from 105, in which he was Town
2) Opening vote, Space vote, and my vote all feel kind of off to me. Kind of just throwing out a vote to throw out a vote.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 04:02:33 pm
Really? Nobody into a DatSwan lynch?

I'll be around for a few more hours but not for deadline.

For DatSwan, obviously it's not happening, and for reasons which I'm still not saying, I'm not voting him Day 1. And I feel the same way about basically everybody that doesn't have a wagon - LaLight, Galzria, Awaclus, 2.7 (and I also do not understand how I am the only person to have voted him).

The upside of a Dylan lynch is that if he's scum, my wild theory is looking pretty good. I'd still rather start with raptor.

Again, this isn't happening. And again, I'm really going back and forth here. On the one hand, it is very similar to 105. But on the other hand, as DatSwan said, he has to know the same shtick isn't going to fly. Best to wait him out and see if he slips with something more telling than the 'bus'. And what do you have against the Andrew lynch?

I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

Firstly: it looks like Dylan will be the lynch. The only other options at this point are faust, and that wagon seems to have exhausted all fuel, and Andrew, which also seems done. My order at this point is Andrew > Dylan > faust, and faust is last just because of previously stated reasons. I remember thinking my first game that no lynch was better than a lynch because we know nothing. Now, I'm much older, and I understand that lynching gives us information and also narrows down the suspect pool, so if I have to switch I probably will ( I say probably because I'm not sure I can do it with faust).

I'm posting during class when I should be paying attention to threading, so I'll get around to your last part in like 2 hours (still time enough, IMO). Short answer (which then became long) is: I like the long post that faust then tore into. Not necessarily because of the contents (and I did agree with you, the VLA defense sounded sketchy, but I didn't feel comfortable with faust calling it a 'supposed' VLA), but because it seemed heartfelt, and reminded me of my heartfelt post. I'm sure Dylan's smarter than me and is more of capable of forging falsities, which is why I'm still willing to lynch him if need be, but it's a point in his favor. As for Andrew, he's different than 105. He was not actively pushing against anybody like he did against you until the very end of the day when he's going for DatSwan, which everybody either disagrees with or doesn't want to bother it. I don't understand the argument that you mix up playstyles. I feel the same way as I did my first game (extremely confident until I start writing and reading back), so I'm doing the same things. Not because I want to, but because it's what's natural. I know I can't put on my chameleon mask and play differently even if I wanted to. Maybe some people here can, I don't think Andrew is one of them.

Other things too which I will get around to looking back for later.

PPE: DatSwan, you did the exact same thing with me...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 04:18:56 pm
Oh, forgot to say

guys, I am sorry for super inactivity compared to my usual play. I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap, having two interviews tomorrow and making assignments for interviews.

I'm 23, living in Russia, working for some Google analogue of my country and spending too much time on this forum.

Geez. Fuck your Russian Google analogue :)

But seriously, sorry to hear that. Remember, this is just a fun game that features an excessive and discouraging amount of personal attacks on people and their character. If you need to out or stop for a while, we understand, no hard feelings. Best of luck!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 04:20:22 pm
Really? Nobody into a DatSwan lynch?

I'll be around for a few more hours but not for deadline.

Andrew, what do you think of a raptor lynch? Would you move to Dylan if needed? Why should I vote DatSwan?

Raptor I don't feel one way or another about. Yes I'll move to Dylan now that faust isn't coming back and nobody else seems into DatSwan.

Vote: Dylan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 04:22:41 pm
Guys, please. You can't seriously just say "he's not doing exactly the same things he did in the last game where he was town so he must be scum". That's not a valid reason and you'll never see me vote someone for it. If you do, lynch me.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 04:43:29 pm
Guys, please. You can't seriously just say "he's not doing exactly the same things he did in the last game where he was town so he must be scum". That's not a valid reason and you'll never see me vote someone for it. If you do, lynch me.

We don't need a valid reason though, you need a valid reason why we shouldn't lynch you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 08, 2017, 05:24:11 pm
Sorry guys, thought I would have more time for this and I donít.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 05:38:14 pm
I am here but i am devastated and going to sleep sorry. Quick skimming of the thread showed me nothing changed vote-wise, so i support Dylan lynch
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 08, 2017, 05:38:57 pm
Oh, forgot to say

guys, I am sorry for super inactivity compared to my usual play. I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap, having two interviews tomorrow and making assignments for interviews.

I'm 23, living in Russia, working for some Google analogue of my country and spending too much time on this forum.

Geez. Fuck your Russian Google analogue :)

But seriously, sorry to hear that. Remember, this is just a fun game that features an excessive and discouraging amount of personal attacks on people and their character. If you need to out or stop for a while, we understand, no hard feelings. Best of luck!

The funniest thing is i left that firm for better offer but it was not better so i am returning lol
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 05:40:26 pm
Guys, please. You can't seriously just say "he's not doing exactly the same things he did in the last game where he was town so he must be scum". That's not a valid reason and you'll never see me vote someone for it. If you do, lynch me.

We don't need a valid reason though, you need a valid reason why we shouldn't lynch you.

Um, no? But in any case my valid reason is you don't have a valid reason. The whole devil's advocate thing is really old by the way, and is not helpful whatsoever. But hey, if everybody else can't convince you I guess it's pointless for me to try.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 05:40:39 pm
Raptor, do you have anything to say in response to my read of you?

Sorry I donít post more helpful content? All you did was point out that you donít agree with my posts. Donít want to blame that on being new. But I guess Iím not also the best at reads. Especially when it comes to D1 and not much to base reads off of.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 05:43:17 pm
Um, no?

Um, yes. Try to remove any of the votes people have on you and see how well that works out. In the meantime, I can easily Vote: Andrew without any reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 05:46:24 pm
i'm taking this but i prob won't be able to use
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 05:54:22 pm
I'm here now and mostly caught up.

I'd consider moving to Dylan or Raptor this close to deadline I guess. Not so sure about faust.

I need to fix my vote counter to look at everyone's voting patterns. Bedtime is in about an hour, and I also still have to go maintain my Duolingo streak...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 05:56:05 pm
Um, no?

Um, yes. Try to remove any of the votes people have on you and see how well that works out. In the meantime, I can easily Vote: Andrew without any reason whatsoever.

Right. No reason whatsoever, besides the fact that you just like to be contrary. Wouldn't expect anything less from you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 06:06:53 pm
i'm taking this but i prob won't be able to use

You could fill it in with a vote count! I think my script is working with your relaxed rules now. This is what I think the current state of play looks like:

Dylan32 (4): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Dylan32
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828.....
AndrewisFTTW (4): SpaceAnemone, Skumpy, DatSwan, Awaclus
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 06:08:59 pm
Sorry guys, thought I would have more time for this and I donít.

You're still voting for me, you know. Unless you're trying to position yourself carefully as the off-wagon scum, how about moving your vote somewhere else?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 08, 2017, 06:10:02 pm
vote: Andrew

I think he has been scummier than Dylan has been

PPE Ya, changed that.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 08, 2017, 06:10:45 pm
Sorry guys, thought I would have more time for this and I donít.

You're still voting for me, you know. Unless you're trying to position yourself carefully as the off-wagon scum, how about moving your vote somewhere else?

I was only voting for you because my split personality was voting for you and I haven't caught up all the way yet.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 06:11:21 pm
I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap

*hugs*
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 08, 2017, 06:11:58 pm
L-2 btw.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 06:14:16 pm
Man, you guys can't read me at all I guess. Not sure if this will help me in my next scum game or not.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 06:14:46 pm
i'm taking this but i prob won't be able to use

You could fill it in with a vote count! I think my script is working with your relaxed rules now. This is what I think the current state of play looks like:

Dylan32 (4): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Dylan32
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828.....
AndrewisFTTW (4): SpaceAnemone, Skumpy, DatSwan, Awaclus
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame

I was about to post that I reread Dylan and I wasn't sure why I gave him so much towncred for the post yesterday and I would be willing to be the one to help make a lynch happen, since so many of you Europeans are asleep.

Then Andrew got more votes than Dylan.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 06:20:32 pm
ok wait how sophisticated is your vote counter thingo space because there's someone on mafiascum that was trying to make a fully automated one & experiencing strugg
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 06:23:52 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity, so if XX and IDPTG want to make a stance, now would be a good time. My vote is still pretty flexible, so I could be a 7th vote for Dylan if needed.

Keep in mind the wagon on Andrew has now accelerated much faster than Dylan's. I'm tired and I have no idea what that signifies. Just stating facts over here.

Man, you guys can't read me at all I guess. Not sure if this will help me in my next scum game or not.
Now this is sounding more familiar.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 06:27:50 pm
ok wait how sophisticated is your vote counter thingo space because there's someone on mafiascum that was trying to make a fully automated one & experiencing strugg

I feel inspired to make one myself now. Not gonna, but I'm inspired.

This doesn't sound overly difficult to do. Easy enough to search for "vote:x" and "unvote" and then pair it with the poster. But how do you ignore the votes that other people quote?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 06:38:54 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity, so if XX and IDPTG want to make a stance, now would be a good time. My vote is still pretty flexible, so I could be a 7th vote for Dylan if needed.

Keep in mind the wagon on Andrew has now accelerated much faster than Dylan's. I'm tired and I have no idea what that signifies. Just stating facts over here.

Man, you guys can't read me at all I guess. Not sure if this will help me in my next scum game or not.
Now this is sounding more familiar.

I think I would rather the Dylan vote over the Andrew vote. But I will go either way in order to have a lunch on D1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 06:44:51 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity, so if XX and IDPTG want to make a stance, now would be a good time. My vote is still pretty flexible, so I could be a 7th vote for Dylan if needed.

Keep in mind the wagon on Andrew has now accelerated much faster than Dylan's. I'm tired and I have no idea what that signifies. Just stating facts over here.

Man, you guys can't read me at all I guess. Not sure if this will help me in my next scum game or not.
Now this is sounding more familiar.

I think I would rather the Dylan vote over the Andrew vote. But I will go either way in order to have a lunch on D1

Yeah, D1 is bad enough without having to skip lunches :-P

Likewise, I'm felxible enough to move to Dylan if necessary, but only in the next 20-30 minutes, because I'll be asleep after that.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 06:47:32 pm
Um, no?

Um, yes. Try to remove any of the votes people have on you and see how well that works out. In the meantime, I can easily Vote: Andrew without any reason whatsoever.

Right. No reason whatsoever, besides the fact that you just like to be contrary. Wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Indeed, so it shouldn't be difficult for you to convince me to remove my vote if there's no reason to think you're scum, right?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 06:50:28 pm
But how do you ignore the votes that other people quote?

I have a little recursive routine that strips quotes out of posts... not hard :-)

The main code i use to parse the content out of the html game thread is quite messy, but it gets the job done as long as nobody changes the way the html is organised.

The least-elegant bit by far is all my attempts to encode the player list, making it deal with players swap in and out, and having it robust to the various typos or short-form names people use for each other.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 06:54:46 pm
Um, no?

Um, yes. Try to remove any of the votes people have on you and see how well that works out. In the meantime, I can easily Vote: Andrew without any reason whatsoever.

Right. No reason whatsoever, besides the fact that you just like to be contrary. Wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Indeed, so it shouldn't be difficult for you to convince me to remove my vote if there's no reason to think you're scum, right?

Not interested. Go ahead and troll if you want. Or contribute and try to lynch scum. Up to you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:07:54 pm
so I'm trying to find a reason to vote for someone else, but nothing is sticking out.

As town, reads need to be right more than they are wrong if town is going to win. So as town I feel more pressure to have stuff that backs up my reads and end up struggling to figure out what to say.

Like, sure, I get it, being wrong sucks. At the same though, there's 3 scum around you, and to say there's nothing at all suspicious you've seen besides faust, I just can't get behind. Like, I agree, I don't know who, but I'm sure there's at least one person who I've been pointing at as scum who's going to end up being scum. There's a plentiful cast of kool kats this game, I would not say that everybody is rubbing off on me as town.

But how do you ignore the votes that other people quote?

I have a little recursive routine that strips quotes out of posts... not hard :-)

The main code i use to parse the content out of the html game thread is quite messy, but it gets the job done as long as nobody changes the way the html is organised.

The least-elegant bit by far is all my attempts to encode the player list, making it deal with players swap in and out, and having it robust to the various typos or short-form names people use for each other.


Makes sense.

Having done 1 scraping thing as like my only project ever, I know exactly what you mean by the HTML thing :) There was this like 5 character string in all the tags i wanted that changed every day for some reason, so I just matched the start of them and prayed that the tag headers (I forget the terminology now) never got renamed.

That does sound like a major pain. Especially when schadd's around, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:12:14 pm
Andrew's getting salty. Then again, it's tough not to in the face of Awaclus.

I'm going to feel like a moron for this but Vote: Dylan. I'm just really tired now and the longer I think the less I'm going to realize.

Nap time, I will switch back in an hour if needed.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:13:16 pm
I'm around. Frankly, I think both of the leading wagons probably on town, so I'm not thrilled about voting for Andrew. I'm not even sure if voting Andrew would give us more information than just getting rid of me, unless of course he is actually scum... Is there anyone who is actually convinced that Andrew is really scum, or is it just sort of a low info, better than nothing wagon?
ppe 2
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:14:46 pm
Damnit, now I have to stay up
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 07:15:51 pm
I'm around. Frankly, I think both of the leading wagons probably on town, so I'm not thrilled about voting for Andrew. I'm not even sure if voting Andrew would give us more information than just getting rid of me, unless of course he is actually scum... Is there anyone who is actually convinced that Andrew is really scum, or is it just sort of a low info, better than nothing wagon?
ppe 2

Openly admitting i just think he is the best of a shitty bunch of options.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 07:22:56 pm
Not interested. Go ahead and troll if you want. Or contribute and try to lynch scum. Up to you.

I am contributing. The one here who isn't contributing is you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:23:19 pm
Who are we lynching? Not me? Good
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:23:55 pm
Ok, so my low-activity comparison was kicked off by faust referring to my "supposed" VLA. I was really VLA, as whoever noticed that I literally wasn't on f.ds for 3 days has established. However, IF faust doubted that I was actually VLA--as his wording implied--I was saying that low activity would be more likely to point to me as being town than scum based on past games, not that my VLA should be towny. I definitely could have said that more clearly, but whatever.

Also:
And for what it's worth faust, we were partners in my first scum game. If a scum is ever going to have a hard time making up reads, it would be their first one, right? It would, and yet that wasn't the case for me. I made it to the end of the game and not once did people think I was having a hard time making up reads. Why you might ask? Because for me as scum, I know that I am free to say whatever the heck I want with just a little bit of reasoning and there is no reason my reads have to be right or not. As town, reads need to be right more than they are wrong if town is going to win. So as town I feel more pressure to have stuff that backs up my reads and end up struggling to figure out what to say.
I'm confused. Who said you have a hard time making up reads?

I was thinking someone mentioned it, but I guess not. However, after you ask that, LL went there.

guys, I am sorry for super inactivity compared to my usual play. I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap, having two interviews tomorrow and making assignments for interviews. There is a nonzero chance I will get one of the jobs tomorrow and fully will be here. Sorry again. Still fine with Dylan vote especially after

I'm trying to find a reason to vote for someone else, but nothing is sticking out.

super scummy. I feel very same when I am scum.

This actually makes LL feel super bad to me since I had literally already said that isn't at all how I feel as scum, and yet he felt he needed more justification for his vote on me, so he said that. It may not happen, but is it possible for enough of us to Vote: LL in time?

ppe 3
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:25:01 pm
Probably not. Didn't realize everyone had left him...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:25:39 pm
There are currently 6 online total, so not impossible if everyone went there.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:26:20 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:27:06 pm
Willing to help lynch people. I will be around until deadline
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:27:12 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:27:55 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity,

I never miss a deadline
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:28:36 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity,

I never miss a deadline

Ironic that he called out the 2 people that showed up :p
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:30:04 pm
I'm around. Frankly, I think both of the leading wagons probably on town, so I'm not thrilled about voting for Andrew. I'm not even sure if voting Andrew would give us more information than just getting rid of me, unless of course he is actually scum... Is there anyone who is actually convinced that Andrew is really scum, or is it just sort of a low info, better than nothing wagon?
ppe 2

I never actually said it, and I know this is about to get really Skummy, but so be it:
Andrew's not my top scum pick at this point, nor has be been for most of the day. Real top pick is staying a secret. Of you, faust and him, he was the best option until my delirious brain working on like 2 hours of sleep from yesterday decided to vote for you by a narrow margin. I'm not sure why you think he's town, there's been a push/pull between you and him. Could be scum not caring who gets lynched, could be scum trying to get their guy to stay alive. Or could be faust all along. Now that I think about it, it probably is, but it's not an option anymore.

PPE many: It's too late for that now...
It's either you, Andrew, or nobody.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:30:32 pm
So it's 5-4, with Dylan, 2.7, Raptor, and IDPTG missing.

I don't expect the first two to be showing up before the deadline based on their activity,

I never miss a deadline

Ironic that he called out the 2 people that showed up :p

XX showed up too. Didn't vote though.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:31:31 pm
I'm around. Frankly, I think both of the leading wagons probably on town, so I'm not thrilled about voting for Andrew. I'm not even sure if voting Andrew would give us more information than just getting rid of me, unless of course he is actually scum... Is there anyone who is actually convinced that Andrew is really scum, or is it just sort of a low info, better than nothing wagon?
ppe 2

I never actually said it, and I know this is about to get really Skummy, but so be it:
Andrew's not my top scum pick at this point, nor has be been for most of the day. Real top pick is staying a secret. Of you, faust and him, he was the best option until my delirious brain working on like 2 hours of sleep from yesterday decided to vote for you by a narrow margin. I'm not sure why you think he's town, there's been a push/pull between you and him. Could be scum not caring who gets lynched, could be scum trying to get their guy to stay alive. Or could be faust all along. Now that I think about it, it probably is, but it's not an option anymore.

PPE many: It's too late for that now...
It's either you, Andrew, or nobody.

What push or pull between the two of us has there been? Like between people going back and forth between our wagons?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:32:51 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:35:23 pm
I mostly think town!IDPTG would have switched back to Andrew.

No lynching is good for scum, voting for someone that no one else is voting for is scummy (looking at you, e)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:35:44 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:37:03 pm
I'm around. Frankly, I think both of the leading wagons probably on town, so I'm not thrilled about voting for Andrew. I'm not even sure if voting Andrew would give us more information than just getting rid of me, unless of course he is actually scum... Is there anyone who is actually convinced that Andrew is really scum, or is it just sort of a low info, better than nothing wagon?
ppe 2

I never actually said it, and I know this is about to get really Skummy, but so be it:
Andrew's not my top scum pick at this point, nor has be been for most of the day. Real top pick is staying a secret. Of you, faust and him, he was the best option until my delirious brain working on like 2 hours of sleep from yesterday decided to vote for you by a narrow margin. I'm not sure why you think he's town, there's been a push/pull between you and him. Could be scum not caring who gets lynched, could be scum trying to get their guy to stay alive. Or could be faust all along. Now that I think about it, it probably is, but it's not an option anymore.

PPE many: It's too late for that now...
It's either you, Andrew, or nobody.

What push or pull between the two of us has there been? Like between people going back and forth between our wagons?

Sure, but also like it's been up in the air who's going to get lynched. The wagons have been accelerating at different paces. Or it's felt that way anyways. I don't know what I'm saying, maybe when I'm more lucid.

Speaking of which Unvote
Guess I'm going to have to tough it out for 85 minutes. 4-4 now I think
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:38:10 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1

Are you trying to read partner interactions there? It is tempting, but doubtful. I think scum likes a no lynch more than a mislynch here
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:38:42 pm
What is the vote count?

And don't unvote, vote IDPTG
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:39:00 pm
3rd party candidate for the lynch!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:39:59 pm
I'm not totally sure how much longer I'll be able to be around, so I guess Vote: Andrew. If he flips scum, IDPTG definitely looks worse.  If not, I would seriously look at one of faust, LL, and probably someone who got on the Andrew wagon in a scummy way. I'll look to see if anyone stands out like that while I'm here.

ppe 3
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:40:31 pm
3rd party candidate for the lynch!

Those never work out haha
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 08, 2017, 07:41:29 pm
Phone posting from bed about to go to sleep. I think a lynch will go through without me having to move my vote, so I'll leave it there. I really hate small-hours deadlines because I keep staying up too late, making decisions when I'm too tired and then being sleep-deprived the next day too.

PPE 4. Wow, inviting and leaching a vote nowhere at all is really unhelpful this close to deadline!

PPE 5 more...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:42:07 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1

Are you trying to read partner interactions there? It is tempting, but doubtful. I think scum likes a no lynch more than a mislynch here

Not sure why they would like no lynch over mislynch, exactly. I guess it is less info for us, but is it really worth it D1? Also, is IDPTG who would notice and play for a no lynch over a mislynch?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:43:11 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1

Are you trying to read partner interactions there? It is tempting, but doubtful. I think scum likes a no lynch more than a mislynch here

Not sure why they would like no lynch over mislynch, exactly. I guess it is less info for us, but is it really worth it D1? Also, is IDPTG someonewho would notice and play for a no lynch over a mislynch?

edit: missed word
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:46:05 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1

Are you trying to read partner interactions there? It is tempting, but doubtful. I think scum likes a no lynch more than a mislynch here

Not sure why they would like no lynch over mislynch, exactly. I guess it is less info for us, but is it really worth it D1? Also, is IDPTG who would notice and play for a no lynch over a mislynch?

I don't know about "going for a no lynch" more of an "ambivalent if a lynch doesn't happen"
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 07:46:55 pm
I will be unable in about an hour so let's get this done soon.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 07:47:15 pm
I mean I will be unable to post any more in an hour.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:47:57 pm
IDPTG is still the place to be

Why though? My gut was actually reading him as more towny than usual.

The case on raptor is bad. Original Gut read. He actually was against Andrew before it was cool to lynch Andrew then switched to raptor. So, yeah. Just feeling like a decent lynch

I generally don't vote for people for making a bad case. I've seen as many bad cases come from town as scum, so I'm not sure that is alignment indicative at all. The timing of the switch off of Andrew is interesting though. I didn't notice that before. Well, that at least makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of having to vote andrew.

ppe 1

Are you trying to read partner interactions there? It is tempting, but doubtful. I think scum likes a no lynch more than a mislynch here

Not sure why they would like no lynch over mislynch, exactly. I guess it is less info for us, but is it really worth it D1? Also, is IDPTG who would notice and play for a no lynch over a mislynch?

I don't know about "going for a no lynch" more of an "ambivalent if a lynch doesn't happen"

So what does this say about your vote sitting on a 1-man wagon still?  :P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:48:52 pm
Hey, my wagon is amazing. And I will vote to lynch, just figuring it all out right now
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:49:39 pm
Can someone post what the current vote count is? Mobile makes it hard to keep track
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:50:58 pm
Hey, my wagon is amazing. And I will vote to lynch, just figuring it all out right now

Andrew 5
Dylan 4

You, me, Raptor, IDPTG are off.

And I think I've got a decision
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 07:51:15 pm
That was not the right quote
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 07:51:24 pm
Can someone post what the current vote count is? Mobile makes it hard to keep track

If previous posters were accurate, it's Andrew (5), Dylan (4)
ppe 2
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 07:56:02 pm
I'm here
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 07:57:19 pm
I'm here

Yeah, us west-coasters have to unite for this deadline
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 07:57:50 pm
I'm also here.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 07:57:58 pm
The case against me is pretty much I am supposedly playing different from how I played as town in some previous game. That's it. Gkrieg just said I'm scummier than Dylan and that's it. DatSwan says some votes of mine are scummy. Nothing to back it up. Awaclus is voting me because... well why does Awaclus do anything he does? I have no idea. Dylan is voting for me out of self preservation. Fine. I can't remember who else is voting but seriously. There's nothing there!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 07:58:07 pm
One hour to deadline? I'm at work but can follow. Haven't read last 75 posts or so. Doing so now.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 08, 2017, 07:59:23 pm
The case against me

What's the case for you being town?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:01:14 pm
The case against me

What's the case for you being town?

What's the case for you being town?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:02:13 pm
The case against me

What's the case for you being town?

What's the case for you being town?

Mating a case for yourself being town is almost useless. Other people have to do out for you
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:03:00 pm
The case against me

What's the case for you being town?

I'll eat dinner at the dinner table and turn off the TV by 8:30. Ummmm OH! And I'll be nice to the dog.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:03:32 pm
The case against me

What's the case for you being town?

I'll eat dinner at the dinner table and turn off the TV by 8:30. Ummmm OH! And I'll be nice to the dog.

You should always be nice to the dog
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:04:33 pm
I still like IDPTG as a viable candidate with the number of people we have online
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:05:20 pm
Probably leaning toward Dylan otherwise
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 08:05:35 pm
Vote count 1.6

AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (4): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW
faust (1): Xxraptorslayer96
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame

not voting (1): Skumpy

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like an hour.

mod notes
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:06:27 pm
I still like IDPTG as a viable candidate with the number of people we have online

I'm down. But I'd like to see other votes there first.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:06:51 pm
And apparently I'm at L-1.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:07:41 pm
schadd, I unvoted
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:09:14 pm
I still like IDPTG as a viable candidate with the number of people we have online

I'm down. But I'd like to see other votes there first.

That's acceptable.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:10:44 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:16:09 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew

To be specific I switched to Dylan and then unvoted, forgot about that first part. What about you? We're not voting IDPTG, there's only 8 people by my count who have a shot at voting him before the deadline. Who did you want to go for?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:17:24 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew

To be specific I switched to Dylan and then unvoted, forgot about that first part. What about you? We're not voting IDPTG, there's only 8 people by my count who have a shot at voting him before the deadline. Who did you want to go for?

8 people would be enough to make that happen. Not that it is likely, but that doesn't mean it's impossible yet. Not that I think he should stay there, mind you.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:20:22 pm
I won't participate in a last minute change.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:21:35 pm
I won't participate in a last minute change.

Err, to someone not Andrew/Dylan at this point. Just to be clear.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:21:57 pm
I won't participate in a last minute change.

Ok, fine. Spoil the party.

Vote: Dylan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:22:36 pm
I won't participate in a last minute change.

Err, to someone not Andrew/Dylan at this point. Just to be clear.

I wouldn't even switch to LL or Raptor at this point, my two biggest scum reads.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:23:16 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew

To be specific I switched to Dylan and then unvoted, forgot about that first part. What about you? We're not voting IDPTG, there's only 8 people by my count who have a shot at voting him before the deadline. Who did you want to go for?

8 people would be enough to make that happen. Not that it is likely, but that doesn't mean it's impossible yet. Not that I think he should stay there, mind you.

It's also not impossible that I'll win the lottery. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it  :P

I'm just now realizing that neither of you have claimed a role despite being on the chopping block. I'm going to assume VT unless you say otherwise, because if one you does have a role, that will make the decision much easier.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:24:19 pm
 Both L-2, 37 minutes out, Raptor/IDPTG/Skumpy not voting
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:25:01 pm
Don't pressure me!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 08, 2017, 08:25:24 pm
Sorry guys - i have to start coaching now so my vote will remain here. Hopefully will see you on the other side.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
Just got back and caught up. I'll be here until deadline.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:25:39 pm
Don't pressure me!

You should feel pressured
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:26:31 pm
Don't pressure me!

Don't choose wrong. This entire lynch hinges on your vote!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:26:35 pm
Just got back and caught up. I'll be here until deadline.

You want to lynch yourself?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:26:54 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew

To be specific I switched to Dylan and then unvoted, forgot about that first part. What about you? We're not voting IDPTG, there's only 8 people by my count who have a shot at voting him before the deadline. Who did you want to go for?

8 people would be enough to make that happen. Not that it is likely, but that doesn't mean it's impossible yet. Not that I think he should stay there, mind you.

It's also not impossible that I'll win the lottery. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it  :P

I'm just now realizing that neither of you have claimed a role despite being on the chopping block. I'm going to assume VT unless you say otherwise, because if one you does have a role, that will make the decision much easier.

Usually people only claim at L-1.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:27:54 pm
schadd, I unvoted

You should correct that and vote. If you are going to lynch Andrew just do it. If you don't think he should be lynched vote somewhere else. By not voting you are (in essence) voting for the player with the most votes, Andrew

To be specific I switched to Dylan and then unvoted, forgot about that first part. What about you? We're not voting IDPTG, there's only 8 people by my count who have a shot at voting him before the deadline. Who did you want to go for?

8 people would be enough to make that happen. Not that it is likely, but that doesn't mean it's impossible yet. Not that I think he should stay there, mind you.

It's also not impossible that I'll win the lottery. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it  :P

I'm just now realizing that neither of you have claimed a role despite being on the chopping block. I'm going to assume VT unless you say otherwise, because if one you does have a role, that will make the decision much easier.

Usually people only claim at L-1.

Usually is a strong word
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:29:03 pm
I mean, if Dylan or Andrew want to claim, I am not opposed to it.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:29:38 pm
Just got back and caught up. I'll be here until deadline.

You want to lynch yourself?

If it would stop a no-lynch, yes, but I don't think we're there.

vote: Dylan L-1

Last time I lynched Dylan over Andrew, it didn't go well. I think this'll be better.

PPE 3
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:29 pm
VT - hence my earlier musings on whether or not it would be better to lynch me for more info since Andrew felt like a default type of wagon. If I was a PR no way I wonder that out loud.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:40 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:31:49 pm
Just got back and caught up. I'll be here until deadline.

You want to lynch yourself?

If it would stop a no-lynch, yes, but I don't think we're there.

vote: Dylan L-1

Last time I lynched Dylan over Andrew, it didn't go well. I think this'll be better.

PPE 3

It won't
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:32:07 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.

scummy hammer
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:32:44 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.

scummy hammer

Only if Andrew is scum
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:32:50 pm
why will you "try to be around" if you are hammering, thus removing the need to be around?

ppe 1
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:32:56 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:33:16 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.

scummy hammer

How so?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 08:33:29 pm
The was hammer I guess.

It was PPE iDPTGís vote
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 08, 2017, 08:33:59 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

It's optimal play. I did it once and town went on to a fabulous victory
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:34:19 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

Pretty sure mislynch is better than no-lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:34:28 pm
Don't pressure me!

Don't choose wrong. This entire lynch hinges on your vote!

Ha!

For the record, I was reading #489 during that hammer. Will post more if there's time (please Schadd!!!)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:34:31 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.

scummy hammer
the wording of trying to be around while hammering, as if possibly acting like he didn't realize it was the hammer. Maybe it isn't, the more I think about it, but that was my gut reaction
How so?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:34:45 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

It's optimal play. I did it once and town went on to a fabulous victory

That was the game e took over for me, lol
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:35:25 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

It's optimal play. I did it once and town went on to a fabulous victory

I disagree. Would you lynch aan IC over no-lynch?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 08, 2017, 08:36:44 pm
vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.

scummy hammer
the wording of trying to be around while hammering, as if possibly acting like he didn't realize it was the hammer. Maybe it isn't, the more I think about it, but that was my gut reaction
How so?

Sorry, didnít realize i was hammer. Typed in a hurry
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Galzria on November 08, 2017, 08:36:48 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

Pretty sure mislynch is better than no-lynch.

An unknown one, yes. Not a known one.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 08, 2017, 08:36:55 pm
It's weird how neither really pushed the other as a better case than themselves, which is what I would've done, even if I thought the other was town. Dylan did a little in #489, but that's it. I think I'd vote for Dylan just because Andrew is squirmy, like I'd expect, while Dylan was particularly cool as a cucumber. I think. I would have voted eventually though
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:37:10 pm
Thank you for letting me live until N1. Mafia peeps, let's make it until D2 at least. We can do this!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:37:41 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

Pretty sure mislynch is better than no-lynch.

An unknown one, yes. Not a known one.

What?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Dylan32 on November 08, 2017, 08:37:55 pm
Last second reads:

Galz - town.
Raptor - scummier side of null, but not too far. Pends Andrews alignment more than anything I guess.
IDPTG - felt like town, but could be an Andrew partner if either flips scum.
faust - you know how I feel.
LL - one of the top 2 scum reads I have now.
e - somewhat towny I think, but could be wrong. I have read him correctly as town before, so I think I'm right here, but idk for sure.

ppe 6
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 08, 2017, 08:38:23 pm
IDPTG- Why would you lynch yourself over no lynch?

Pretty sure mislynch is better than no-lynch.

An unknown one, yes. Not a known one.

What?

Ohhh, I get it
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 08, 2017, 08:39:05 pm
Skumpy I've been pretty null on Dylan the whole time and I'm not going to lie and try to make up some argument out of thin air to get him lynched when I don't have anything on him. That might not be good play but that's just I felt about it
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 08:39:34 pm
thread looooocked

D1 Final Vote count


AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

not voting (1): Skumpy

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like 0 seconds

mod notes
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 08, 2017, 08:40:45 pm
https://youtu.be/60iwmyhV8pQ?t=1m21s (https://youtu.be/60iwmyhV8pQ?t=1m21s)

many have i loved, and many times been bitten
many times i've gazed along the open road

many times i've lied, and many times i've listened
many times i've wondered how much there is to knooooow

dylan32 has been lynched! he was a vanilla townie.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 09, 2017, 12:25:36 am
https://youtu.be/Pu94mWlgzMY?t=1m44s (https://youtu.be/Pu94mWlgzMY?t=1m44s)

close the door, put out the light; you know they won't be home tonight
the snow falls hard, and don't you know; the winds of thor are blowin cold
they're wearin steel that's bright and true, they carry news that must get through
they choose the path that no one goes

night 1 starts now and ends saturday, november 11th at 00:00 forum time.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (night 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 10, 2017, 11:57:23 pm
wow is it that time already
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (night 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 11, 2017, 12:14:26 am
https://youtu.be/Zyhu2ysqKGk?t=4m4s (https://youtu.be/Zyhu2ysqKGk?t=4m4s)

squeeze me baby, til the juice runs down my leg
do, squeeze, squeeeze me baby, til the juice runs down my leg
the way you squeeze my lemon, i,
i'm gonna fall right outta bed, bed, bed, be-eee-yeaah

Galzria has been killed in the night! he was a jailkeeper + rolecop.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (night 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 11, 2017, 12:14:41 am
https://youtu.be/qztKD75J2BM?t=15s (https://youtu.be/qztKD75J2BM?t=15s)

dancin days are here again, summer evenings grow
i got my flower, i got my power, i've got a woman who knows

i said it's alright, you know it's alright, i guess it's all in my heart
you'll be my only, my one and only, is that the way it should start?


Day 2 Starts!

Vote count 2.0

not voting (11): 2.71828..., Skumpy, LaLight, DatSwan, AndrewisFTTW, Xxraptorslayer96, gkrieg13, Awaclus, faust, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends saturday, november 18th at 00:00 forum time. thread uncroaked.

mod notes
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 11, 2017, 12:23:47 am
Well, thatís quite bad
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 11, 2017, 12:26:43 am
vote: Xx
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 11, 2017, 12:27:43 am
does anybody know their vocal ranges and if so please spill the beans

i'm g2/b4 (it's kind of hard to tell when it starts being falsetto i guess, especially when i don't want to be loud in living space)

g5 with falsetto which is only sometimes but also really satisfying during those times
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 11, 2017, 04:12:56 am
Well what do we learn from Galz being JK:

1) Who was Galz likely to target for starters? Because that person did not carry the kill (unless skum has RB and skum decided to RB and kill Galz, which I find unlikely).
        - He was pushing LL hard so I wanna say its likely he went there. Doesn't absolve LL but def puts him in a more towny light than he was before. Also, he was pretty clear that he suspected XXR as his number 2 pick so probably drops him down the list a small amount.

2) JK/RC Role was worth 3 skum points. So among us we have the following options left:
     4 - Skum has "nada" and Town has either Neighborizor or Tracker
     5 - Skum has Role Cop and Town has either Vig or Doctor, or both Neighborizor and Tracker
     6 - Skum has Role Blocker and Town has Motion Detector or a combo of Vig/Doc and Neighborizor/Tracker
     7 - Skum has RC + RB and Town has Motion Detector and either Neighborizor or Tracker, or both Vig and Doc
     8 - Skum has Everything and Town has Motion Detector plus either Vig or Doctor, or Motion Detector and both Neighborizor and Tracker

3)
I am trying to find a way to use this to our advantage and all I am coming back with is... this is a shitty situation.
The idea of mass claiming kind of sucks because with Galz flipping as a "3" it significantly increased the liklihood of Skum having Day Chat.
The idea of having one role claim sucks as well IMO. I don't think any remaining role's info would outweigh the outting of themselves.
I was trying to come up with a scenario in which we could claim "skum point value" in order to try to isolate was Skum PR's could be out there. However, everything I think of is too easily manipulated.
The "if I was the neighborizor I would target.." idea seems like it would be an OK gameplan. Would like it if anyone has a downside to it speak up please.

4) Pretty much what I was left with was a Galz re-read.... which was surprisingly un-eventful. More surprisingly, he had like the #3 in post content and it was still the case. He saw LL as skummy, he saw Faust as town, and he mentioned one time (#50) that he read Skumpy as town. Other than that he kind of stayed out of the way - which I suppose makes sense given the power he had.

5) This comes from inexperience - but like.. if there is a Vig they would not of shot N1 right? Especially at Galz? Not anything worth considering there.


Blah. Whatever. More tomorrow. Sleep now.

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 11, 2017, 04:13:44 am
does anybody know their vocal ranges and if so please spill the beans

i'm g2/b4 (it's kind of hard to tell when it starts being falsetto i guess, especially when i don't want to be loud in living space)

g5 with falsetto which is only sometimes but also really satisfying during those times

G2 Baritone!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 11, 2017, 04:15:41 am
Well, thatís quite bad
Really? I thought it was a splendid outcome myself.

So there's a lot of talk to be had. I haven't had a chance yet to go back carefully through day 1, and I haven't really processed Galzria's murder. All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

If you don't know the answer to any of these, then maybe an 11th? Like 'How did Skumpy manage to come up with 10 questions ranging from useless to maybe potentially useful, and why was he not voting on the final wagons?'


Ten questions is not a coincidence by the way, I just watched MOTOE so it's still fresh in my mind. We will see if my little grey cells are feeling up to the task at hand. I'll be more free and less delirious/insatiated to make said conclusions later.

PPE something by DatSwan which I probably won't read or respond to.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 11, 2017, 05:09:06 am
SO, scum tried to both frame and unframe me?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 11, 2017, 05:14:33 am
Ah, they didnít know Galzí role so yeah, i feel framed
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 05:23:49 am
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

If you don't know the answer to any of these, then maybe an 11th? Like 'How did Skumpy manage to come up with 10 questions ranging from useless to maybe potentially useful, and why was he not voting on the final wagons?'

1. Because it's Galzria.
2. Someone. We have no real way of knowing. Probably someone he scumread, I'd have to go check, I only remember he townread me.
3. Probably. Coincidence.
4. Unlikely. Maybe.
5. I think there is something off with your grammar. Probably not much, at least yet.
6. You have a pretty good reason for why I'm not dead yet.
7. Galzria is the more interesting case here.
8. Most likely yes, I don't see how scum!Raptor benefits from a derphammer here.
9. Probably a good idea.
10. I actually don't think there's much of a mystery there.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 05:24:53 am
5) This comes from inexperience - but like.. if there is a Vig they would not of shot N1 right? Especially at Galz? Not anything worth considering there.
This is not a useful discussion to be had.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 11, 2017, 09:00:21 am
So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 11, 2017, 09:02:04 am
5) This comes from inexperience - but like.. if there is a Vig they would not of shot N1 right? Especially at Galz? Not anything worth considering there.
This is not a useful discussion to be had.

But it kind of is. If a vig shot galz, that means a kill was possibly blocked.

On  another note, we probably want to all claim who we would neighborize before the day is over. Or is it N3?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 11, 2017, 09:03:02 am
It is N2, so Iíll go first.  I would neighborize Faust.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 09:34:32 am
I don't see why we would claim neighborizing right now. If I were the Neighborizer, I'd certainly want more time to consider.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 09:36:11 am
So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.
Well I have things to reconsider. I'm also moving on. I don't see how these two are mutually exclusive. And of course Dylan's reads are less important than Galzria's because Galzria was killed maybe for his reads, and Dylan wasn't. That is not controversial stuff.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 09:40:18 am
Right now townies are Andrew, Idplay, DatSwan. I don't think I want to lynch them today.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 11, 2017, 10:53:26 am
Faust has a townie start to the day.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 11, 2017, 11:10:08 am
Read D1.

Skumpy and faust are town

Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 11, 2017, 12:30:10 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 11, 2017, 01:09:32 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.
Where can I see you genuinely scumhunt?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 11, 2017, 02:11:08 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.
Where can I see you genuinely scumhunt?

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.

As a result, I eventually (correctly) identified Galzria as someone I didn't want to lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 11, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
5) This comes from inexperience - but like.. if there is a Vig they would not of shot N1 right? Especially at Galz? Not anything worth considering there.
This is not a useful discussion to be had.

yeah agreed. I was just thinking out loud. Couldn't sleep.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 11, 2017, 03:48:37 pm
vote: Xx

Why?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 11, 2017, 03:49:45 pm
All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

I got different numbers:

4: 10%
5: 15%
6: 30%
7: 20%
8: 25%

1. He either had good reads now or would have good reads later.
2. No idea.
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.
4. See 3.
5. Probably not much.
6. He was wrong.
7. They both had scumreads on LaLight.
8. Not sure.
9. Yes and much closer to the deadline.
10. ...it's a secret?

PPE: 1

vote: Xx

Why?


Why not?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 11, 2017, 03:53:26 pm
Also, the probability of a given role being in the game has changed but I don't know if we talk about that. I was willing to when they were equal because, well, they were equal.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 11, 2017, 06:43:45 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.
Where can I see you genuinely scumhunt?

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.

As a result, I eventually (correctly) identified Galzria as someone I didn't want to lynch.

I'm not sure that's exactly the kind of community-spirited scum-hunting that most people think of when describing particular behaviour as scum-hunting.

I kind of feel like you're being more of a parody of yourself here than you often are. But you're an easy-to-push mislynch target, too, so I won't jump on the wagon yet.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 11, 2017, 06:47:30 pm
I intend to have my own fun with the probabilities when I have spare time, which will be Monday night my time. We'll see whether I agree with any of the numbers already posted. I don't think extensive debate about probabilities will be super-helpful, but I at least want to check that nobody's trying to mislead everyone with bad numbers.

I'm going to be semi-VLA tomorrow, because my super-secret new partner and I are spending a day in London doing tourist things. @gkrieg, you and kkrieg would be utterly bewildered at how few things we're planning on cramming into our day.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 11, 2017, 06:55:13 pm
does anybody know their vocal ranges and if so please spill the beans

i'm g2/b4 (it's kind of hard to tell when it starts being falsetto i guess, especially when i don't want to be loud in living space)

g5 with falsetto which is only sometimes but also really satisfying during those times

I'm maybe a 4th above you on a regular day for normal voice, though I hit a solid A2b when I was kind of gravely with a cold a few months back -- it's in the tenor part for Lauridsen's Sure On This Shining Night, with a footnote that the low notes can be omitted for tenors not able to get that low! Normally I'm comfortable at a D3 but iffy at a B2. I'm happiest below C5, but over the past year or so I've found I can pull out consistent F5s when my a cappella band requires.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 11, 2017, 07:04:18 pm
I intend to have my own fun with the probabilities when I have spare time, which will be Monday night my time. We'll see whether I agree with any of the numbers already posted. I don't think extensive debate about probabilities will be super-helpful, but I at least want to check that nobody's trying to mislead everyone with bad numbers.

You can brute force it in, like, 15 minutes. We're not dealing with a whole lot of possibilities anymore.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 11, 2017, 10:17:28 pm
Sorry couldn't post today and probably wont have time tomorrow.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 11, 2017, 10:40:04 pm
Parents are in town so I wonít have time until Monday.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 12:23:46 am
Well, thatís quite bad
Really? I thought it was a splendid outcome myself.

So there's a lot of talk to be had. I haven't had a chance yet to go back carefully through day 1, and I haven't really processed Galzria's murder. All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

If you don't know the answer to any of these, then maybe an 11th? Like 'How did Skumpy manage to come up with 10 questions ranging from useless to maybe potentially useful, and why was he not voting on the final wagons?'


Ten questions is not a coincidence by the way, I just watched MOTOE so it's still fresh in my mind. We will see if my little grey cells are feeling up to the task at hand. I'll be more free and less delirious/insatiated to make said conclusions later.

PPE something by DatSwan which I probably won't read or respond to.

1. Why did scum kill Galzria? - He wasn't attracting much attention, or his reads could of been on point.
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep? - I would guess XXR or LL based on context
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew? - They thought they could make an Andrew case today
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left? - Either that, or they were on 3rd parties. Either way, I think looking at last minute switches is a good idea.
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons? - Faust none because he is Faust. Space IDK. LL seemed to be looked at a bit and then dropped off. I would normally say bus, but Galz was kind of the primary pusher.
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan? - Nothing. He was wrong. Shit happens.
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight? - Same as above-ish. They could of been onto something, or not. They had no more info than the rest of us.
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan? - no idea. conceding to better judgment on that one.
10. What is Space's secret? - IDK, but I hope they reveal it in Anagram Mafia in a super convoluted way :P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 12:25:14 am
All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

I got different numbers:

4: 10%
5: 15%
6: 30%
7: 20%
8: 25%

1. He either had good reads now or would have good reads later.
2. No idea.
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.
4. See 3.
5. Probably not much.
6. He was wrong.
7. They both had scumreads on LaLight.
8. Not sure.
9. Yes and much closer to the deadline.
10. ...it's a secret?

PPE: 1

vote: Xx

Why?


Why not?


OK, but really... why?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 12:27:10 am
Right now townies are Andrew, Idplay, DatSwan. I don't think I want to lynch them today.

I agree with 2 out of 3 of these.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 12:34:41 am
All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

I got different numbers:

4: 10%
5: 15%
6: 30%
7: 20%
8: 25%

1. He either had good reads now or would have good reads later.
2. No idea.
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.
4. See 3.
5. Probably not much.
6. He was wrong.
7. They both had scumreads on LaLight.
8. Not sure.
9. Yes and much closer to the deadline.
10. ...it's a secret?

PPE: 1

vote: Xx

Why?


Why not?


OK, but really... why?

I know my reasons, not LaLight's reasons.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 01:22:45 am
All I have done is snipe simulating privileges to come up with probabilities of

4: 16%
5: 20%
6: 24%
7: 20%
8: 20%

...which seem really wrong, so somebody might want to check me on that.

Ten questions which might be of interest!
1. Why did scum kill Galzria?
2. Who did Galzria jailkeep?
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew?
4. Is Andrew scum, and scum buddies got him off the lynch? If so, were they bussing and left?
5. With what significance can we attribute to the faust, LaLight, and Space miniwagons?
6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan?
7. What do we make of both Galzria and Dylan accusing LaLight?
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering?
9. Do and when we proceed with the neighborizing plan?
10. What is Space's secret?

I got different numbers:

4: 10%
5: 15%
6: 30%
7: 20%
8: 25%

1. He either had good reads now or would have good reads later.
2. No idea.
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.
4. See 3.
5. Probably not much.
6. He was wrong.
7. They both had scumreads on LaLight.
8. Not sure.
9. Yes and much closer to the deadline.
10. ...it's a secret?

PPE: 1

vote: Xx

Why?


Why not?


OK, but really... why?

I know my reasons, not LaLight's reasons.

Your reasons are valid too!
Also yea, mis quote on my part sorry.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 12, 2017, 03:27:22 am
I can do a Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 01:07:52 pm
Your reasons are valid too!
Also yea, mis quote on my part sorry.

Same as D1, plus the hammer.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 01:44:23 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 12, 2017, 03:50:04 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.

The problem with awaclus is how hard it is to argue against him. Doesn't do anything too crazy, er, out of meta. Hard to lynch. But I think his response here is more indicative of being scum
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 03:56:07 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.

The problem with awaclus is how hard it is to argue against him. Doesn't do anything too crazy, er, out of meta. Hard to lynch. But I think his response here is more indicative of being scum

What? I feel like his mislynches go through pretty quickly because of his playstyle.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 12, 2017, 04:21:23 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.

The problem with awaclus is how hard it is to argue against him. Doesn't do anything too crazy, er, out of meta. Hard to lynch. But I think his response here is more indicative of being scum

What? I feel like his mislynches go through pretty quickly because of his playstyle.

Yeah, and I am not usually on those wagons. I tend to usually just avoid awaclus wagons because I am not confident in them. But I like this one
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 12, 2017, 05:37:45 pm
But I think his response here is more indicative of being scum

Which of the following statements do you think are not true, or not indicative of me being town?

 - I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day
 - you can see me genuinely scumhunt
 - I was off wagon for the town lynch
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 06:54:36 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (night 1 !)
Post by: schadd on November 12, 2017, 07:19:54 pm
Vote count 2.1

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): LaLight
Awaclus (2): 2.71828..., faust

not voting (8): Skumpy, DatSwan, AndrewisFTTW, Xxraptorslayer96, gkrieg13, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends saturday, november 18th at 00:00 forum time.

mod notes
mod quotes:
the vocal range thing
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 07:57:28 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.

Does he have a history of not declaring L-1s?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 08:06:38 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.

Does he have a history of not declaring L-1s?

He has a history of this current game we are playing now being his second ever game of Mafia :P
He may/may not of know that was the standard.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 08:08:51 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.

Does he have a history of not declaring L-1s?

He has a history of this current game we are playing now being his second ever game of Mafia :P
He may/may not of know that was the standard.

I knew that much, I just didn't know if he'd missed them in the other game.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 08:12:28 pm
Eh. I'll go back to vote: raptor. Liked it D1, nothing's changed in my read of him.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 08:12:38 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

Ah, well that is a good point.
Flip a coin? Heads you look, tails I look? lol

I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.

Does he have a history of not declaring L-1s?

He has a history of this current game we are playing now being his second ever game of Mafia :P
He may/may not of know that was the standard.

I knew that much, I just didn't know if he'd missed them in the other game.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 12, 2017, 08:14:14 pm
8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

I disagree. His wagon never picked up traction.

Ah, well that is a good point.
Flip a coin? Heads you look, tails I look? lol


I mean OK you have a point in regards to the voting, that could be said about anyone that wasn't Andrew or Dylan.
Raptor came up a lot in a lot of people's skum hunting theories, he def wasn't like "off the radar". IDK, just seems like an unnecessary move for Skum!XXR to make on purpose.

Does he have a history of not declaring L-1s?

He has a history of this current game we are playing now being his second ever game of Mafia :P
He may/may not of know that was the standard.

I knew that much, I just didn't know if he'd missed them in the other game.

quote fail sorry
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 12, 2017, 08:26:52 pm
What?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 13, 2017, 12:50:53 am
Thanks for not prodding me.

Went to back to read through Day 1 on an empty stomach, so naturally, I found basically nothing. I'd like to try again, but I just don't have the time these days to pick everything apart, and I really do want to. But I just can't pay close enough attention right now. Only thing that particularly caught my eye (again) was:

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

Nobody really came off as townie to me, I need to either reread or wait for more info. Probably the latter. I don't feel that all 3 scum have slipped under the radar, I think at least 1 has had a wagon of some significance. New Awaclus wagon concerns me somewhat? Him defending himself makes me a bit more suspicious, but I don't think I can nor will I ever be able to get a good read on his madness.

Last 2 things:
I was not actually expecting anyone to answer the 10 questions, they were either obvious or we don't have enough information yet to say anything past the obvious answers.

My probabilities are almost certainly wrong, just trust IDPTG on this one (even though they're pretty close and it's not like the extra 10% is going to affect anything).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 13, 2017, 01:49:34 am
I like IDPTGís amount of scumhunting and think it is sincere. Iíd like to vote: Space for not posting anything of substance at all :P
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 13, 2017, 02:18:53 am
Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 13, 2017, 02:19:04 am
Happy birthday!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 13, 2017, 02:20:24 am
Happy birthday!

Aw thanks! Is it the only reason you voted for me? :)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 13, 2017, 02:21:31 am
Happy birthday!

Aw thanks! Is it the only reason you voted for me? :)
No, mostly your last post.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 02:40:38 am
What?

NVM.. I was trying to be funny and failed.
Read briefly through RR in 105. Didn't see any L1 scheming.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 02:41:30 am
What?

NVM.. I was trying to be funny and failed.
Read briefly through RR in 105. Didn't see any L1 scheming.

Wow I am just horrible lately.

Should read "I read briefly through XXR in 105. Didn't see any L1 scheming".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 13, 2017, 02:42:00 am
So: Wagons on Andrew, LaLight and me are bad, wagons on Space and Dylan are good.

I like IDPTGís amount of scumhunting and think it is sincere. Iíd like to vote: Space for not posting anything of substance at all :P


Vote: LaLight

We're getting topsy-turvy now? (Oh yeah, since I've never said it yet: thank you all non-native English speakers for making my life so much easier).

Happy birthday!
Ditto! A quarter of the way to 100 (that's when you die).
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 13, 2017, 02:45:56 am
So: Wagons on Andrew, LaLight and me are bad, wagons on Space and Dylan are good.

I like IDPTGís amount of scumhunting and think it is sincere. Iíd like to vote: Space for not posting anything of substance at all :P


Vote: LaLight

We're getting topsy-turvy now? (Oh yeah, since I've never said it yet: thank you all non-native English speakers for making my life so much easier).

Happy birthday!
Ditto! A quarter of the way to 100 (that's when you die).
I am not beholden to opinions I posted early D1. You wouldn't want me to still suspect Dylan.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 02:54:50 am
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D1 Final Vote count


AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

not voting (1): Skumpy

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like 0 seconds

mod notes
  • phone

Question of realness - How many skum, or what range of skum, do we believe to be on the D1 Dylan Wagon?

Once we remove Galz, we are left with:
Faust
LL
Andrew
E!
IDPTG
XXR

IMO I think it is likely 1-2 skum in this set up.
I think that whether Andrew is Skum or Town they would of voted here. Skum for proc, Town for self preservation.
I also, am quite sold that Faust is Town at this point. Would take into considerations arguments on that, but it is my read right now.

I am trying to deduce something from the Andrew wagon in regards to skum hunting but I can't come up with anything. There was so much attention draw I don't see why they wouldn't of just came up with some reason and switched if need be. I guess that brings Andrew back into the pool a little, but I am disregarding that for now.

Leaves my lynch pool currently at LL, E!, IDPTG, XXR (in that order).

Sorry :P Happy birthday!
Vote: LL
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 13, 2017, 03:34:32 am
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D1 Final Vote count


AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

not voting (1): Skumpy

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like 0 seconds

mod notes
  • phone

Question of realness - How many skum, or what range of skum, do we believe to be on the D1 Dylan Wagon?

Once we remove Galz, we are left with:
Faust
LL
Andrew
E!
IDPTG
XXR

IMO I think it is likely 1-2 skum in this set up.
I think that whether Andrew is Skum or Town they would of voted here. Skum for proc, Town for self preservation.
I also, am quite sold that Faust is Town at this point. Would take into considerations arguments on that, but it is my read right now.

I am trying to deduce something from the Andrew wagon in regards to skum hunting but I can't come up with anything. There was so much attention draw I don't see why they wouldn't of just came up with some reason and switched if need be. I guess that brings Andrew back into the pool a little, but I am disregarding that for now.

Leaves my lynch pool currently at LL, E!, IDPTG, XXR (in that order).

Sorry :P Happy birthday!
Vote: LL

A whole number between -1 and 4, exclusive.

Andrew = town:
Then scum doesn't care who gets lynched. Unlikely to find 3 scum in {Space, Awaclus, Gkrieg, you}.

Andrew = scum:
Then scum almost certainly weren't both on. It's a good look for Space, especially when they didn't switch. Not a good look for Raptor and IDPTG. But if Andrew's scum, then nobody flipped (besides me, but I just so happen to be town, and when I said 'I have a decision' it was for Andrew even though I then went instantly back to null based on something-I-don't-remember). So sure, really doubtful that there were 2 bussers among the 4.

So...yeah? Probably at least 1 scum who voted for Dylan?

But...

 a) You've got a lot more talking to do to convince me faust is town (I get that it's not smart for a scummer's top 2 scum reads to flip town, but this isn't pat-on-the-back-worthy material here folks!)

b) You said nothing to validate leaving Andrew out of it.

And c) If you're town, you just listed a subset of 4 out of 10 unknowns. Statistically, there is most likely a scum there. The last 4 people to post besides myself were you, faust, Lalight, and IDPTG. Guys, I found a scum! (The scary part is I don't know if I found 3 or 0)


Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 03:42:57 am
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D1 Final Vote count


AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

not voting (1): Skumpy

kind of... except the whole bit where mine is based on the logic of a Town player getting lynched and who was there to contribute to that vs yours which is based on birthday posts and nonsense...

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like 0 seconds

mod notes
  • phone

Question of realness - How many skum, or what range of skum, do we believe to be on the D1 Dylan Wagon?

Once we remove Galz, we are left with:
Faust
LL
Andrew
E!
IDPTG
XXR

IMO I think it is likely 1-2 skum in this set up.
I think that whether Andrew is Skum or Town they would of voted here. Skum for proc, Town for self preservation.
I also, am quite sold that Faust is Town at this point. Would take into considerations arguments on that, but it is my read right now.

I am trying to deduce something from the Andrew wagon in regards to skum hunting but I can't come up with anything. There was so much attention draw I don't see why they wouldn't of just came up with some reason and switched if need be. I guess that brings Andrew back into the pool a little, but I am disregarding that for now.

Leaves my lynch pool currently at LL, E!, IDPTG, XXR (in that order).

Sorry :P Happy birthday!
Vote: LL

A whole number between -1 and 4, exclusive.

Andrew = town:
Then scum doesn't care who gets lynched. Unlikely to find 3 scum in {Space, Awaclus, Gkrieg, you}.

Andrew = scum:
Then scum almost certainly weren't both on. It's a good look for Space, especially when they didn't switch. Not a good look for Raptor and IDPTG. But if Andrew's scum, then nobody flipped (besides me, but I just so happen to be town, and when I said 'I have a decision' it was for Andrew even though I then went instantly back to null based on something-I-don't-remember). So sure, really doubtful that there were 2 bussers among the 4.

So...yeah? Probably at least 1 scum who voted for Dylan?

But...

 a) You've got a lot more talking to do to convince me faust is town (I get that it's not smart for a scummer's top 2 scum reads to flip town, but this isn't pat-on-the-back-worthy material here folks!)

b) You said nothing to validate leaving Andrew out of it.

And c) If you're town, you just listed a subset of 4 out of 10 unknowns. Statistically, there is most likely a scum there. The last 4 people to post besides myself were you, faust, Lalight, and IDPTG. Guys, I found a scum! (The scary part is I don't know if I found 3 or 0)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 03:43:57 am
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D1 Final Vote count


AndrewisFTTW (5): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Awaclus, gkrieg13, Dylan32
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

not voting (1): Skumpy

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in like 0 seconds

mod notes
  • phone

Question of realness - How many skum, or what range of skum, do we believe to be on the D1 Dylan Wagon?

Once we remove Galz, we are left with:
Faust
LL
Andrew
E!
IDPTG
XXR

IMO I think it is likely 1-2 skum in this set up.
I think that whether Andrew is Skum or Town they would of voted here. Skum for proc, Town for self preservation.
I also, am quite sold that Faust is Town at this point. Would take into considerations arguments on that, but it is my read right now.

I am trying to deduce something from the Andrew wagon in regards to skum hunting but I can't come up with anything. There was so much attention draw I don't see why they wouldn't of just came up with some reason and switched if need be. I guess that brings Andrew back into the pool a little, but I am disregarding that for now.

Leaves my lynch pool currently at LL, E!, IDPTG, XXR (in that order).

Sorry :P Happy birthday!
Vote: LL

A whole number between -1 and 4, exclusive.

Andrew = town:
Then scum doesn't care who gets lynched. Unlikely to find 3 scum in {Space, Awaclus, Gkrieg, you}.

Andrew = scum:
Then scum almost certainly weren't both on. It's a good look for Space, especially when they didn't switch. Not a good look for Raptor and IDPTG. But if Andrew's scum, then nobody flipped (besides me, but I just so happen to be town, and when I said 'I have a decision' it was for Andrew even though I then went instantly back to null based on something-I-don't-remember). So sure, really doubtful that there were 2 bussers among the 4.

So...yeah? Probably at least 1 scum who voted for Dylan?

But...

 a) You've got a lot more talking to do to convince me faust is town (I get that it's not smart for a scummer's top 2 scum reads to flip town, but this isn't pat-on-the-back-worthy material here folks!)

b) You said nothing to validate leaving Andrew out of it.

And c) If you're town, you just listed a subset of 4 out of 10 unknowns. Statistically, there is most likely a scum there. The last 4 people to post besides myself were you, faust, Lalight, and IDPTG. Guys, I found a scum! (The scary part is I don't know if I found 3 or 0)

***kind of... except the whole bit where mine is based on the logic of a Town player getting lynched and who was there to contribute to that vs yours which is based on birthday posts and nonsense...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 03:50:36 am
Furthermore - we have to work with what we got. We have D1 to now (so mainly D1). The most useful piece of info from D1 is the lynch followed by subsequent wagons. I am choosing to focus on the lynch.
Are you saying we should not be considering that there was a skum on the lynch wagon?
I mean I guess it could of been all town, shit happens, but yesterdays lynch feels like the best jumping off point currently.

If you don't want to attempt to skum hunt based on the lynch from yesterday, what is it you propose we do?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 13, 2017, 09:35:44 am
But I think his response here is more indicative of being scum

Which of the following statements do you think are not true, or not indicative of me being town?

 - I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day
 - you can see me genuinely scumhunt
 - I was off wagon for the town lynch

Individually they are nothing. But what they do is
1) ambiguously identify you as town
2) show how helpful you are so we can't lynch you
3) let you hide behind a mislynch to protect yourself

So scum
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 13, 2017, 01:02:14 pm
Sorry, will actually get to this later, and find all the scums.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 01:22:34 pm
Individually they are nothing. But what they do is
1) ambiguously identify you as town
2) show how helpful you are so we can't lynch you
3) let you hide behind a mislynch to protect yourself

So scum

Town, not scum. It's a case for me being town. Everything about it suggests that I'm town and not scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 13, 2017, 02:17:15 pm
Individually they are nothing. But what they do is
1) ambiguously identify you as town
2) show how helpful you are so we can't lynch you
3) let you hide behind a mislynch to protect yourself

So scum

Town, not scum. It's a case for me being town. Everything about it suggests that I'm town and not scum.

Would skum!you not use being off the mislynch wagon to come off as towny?  Not saying itís the case, but to say ďeverything about the above argues that you are TownĒ is incorrect.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 02:50:42 pm
Ok I got a day off today so I'll be reading over the last few pages.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 05:01:39 pm
Individually they are nothing. But what they do is
1) ambiguously identify you as town
2) show how helpful you are so we can't lynch you
3) let you hide behind a mislynch to protect yourself

So scum

Town, not scum. It's a case for me being town. Everything about it suggests that I'm town and not scum.

Would skum!you not use being off the mislynch wagon to come off as towny?  Not saying itís the case, but to say ďeverything about the above argues that you are TownĒ is incorrect.

No, scum!me would be on the mislynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 13, 2017, 06:30:58 pm
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both).

Meh. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. You're the people who're new to me here, which is the major thing you have in common. You're largely unaware of people's personal metas, and we're largely unaware of yours with the exception of the twin/triplet claim stuff. I know most of you have played one other game around here, and I was on the scumteam with Swan in the last game I played in, but I still don't feel like I have a good measure of him.

Anyway, my reads summary back at #340 lumped all three of you together in the less-towny end of my feelings about people. I've said I'm happy enough with a wagon on any of you, so I don't really think that my pointing out that I'm prone to getting confused between you is helping supposed scum buddies. I mainly said it to give town a hand understanding me, and also for help understanding the "twin claim" thing, since the only place I'd come across it before was Swan in the game where we were both scum, and other there, there seemed to be more pressing stuff to discuss. I think without having had it explained, I'd have assumed it would mean that the involved people have similar thought processes or metas, rather than just that they know each other IRL.

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 13, 2017, 07:46:23 pm
I have a third set of possible numbers for the likelihoods of each of the costs 4-8 (which disagrees with both sets presented so far).

@IDP, your set seems most suspicious because of all those clean multiple-of-five likelihoods you got out of the scenario. Did you read schadd's algorithm as described at #212, and faust's nice breakdown at #222?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 07:54:31 pm
Individually they are nothing. But what they do is
1) ambiguously identify you as town
2) show how helpful you are so we can't lynch you
3) let you hide behind a mislynch to protect yourself

So scum

Town, not scum. It's a case for me being town. Everything about it suggests that I'm town and not scum.

Would skum!you not use being off the mislynch wagon to come off as towny?  Not saying itís the case, but to say ďeverything about the above argues that you are TownĒ is incorrect.

No, scum!me would be on the mislynch.

So according to your logic everyone on the Dylan wagon is scum and everyone off it is town. GG everyone! Well done!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 13, 2017, 08:02:04 pm
I have a third set of possible numbers for the likelihoods of each of the costs 4-8 (which disagrees with both sets presented so far).

@IDP, your set seems most suspicious because of all those clean multiple-of-five likelihoods you got out of the scenario. Did you read schadd's algorithm as described at #212, and faust's nice breakdown at #222?

I got 20 possible set-ups left, hence multiples of 5.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 13, 2017, 08:12:11 pm
Vote count 2.2

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Awaclus (1): 2.71828...
SpaceAnemone (1): LaLight
LaLight (2): faust, DatSwan

not voting (6) : Skumpy, AndrewisFTTW, Xxraptorslayer96, gkrieg13, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends saturday, november 18th at 00:00 forum time.

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mod quotes:
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Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 13, 2017, 08:20:13 pm
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Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 08:42:47 pm
So according to your logic everyone on the Dylan wagon is scum and everyone off it is town. GG everyone! Well done!

No, according to my logic, one person off it (myself) is town. Do you think we shouldn't place any value on wagon analysis when scumhunting?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 13, 2017, 08:46:21 pm
I have a third set of possible numbers for the likelihoods of each of the costs 4-8 (which disagrees with both sets presented so far).

@IDP, your set seems most suspicious because of all those clean multiple-of-five likelihoods you got out of the scenario. Did you read schadd's algorithm as described at #212, and faust's nice breakdown at #222?

I got 20 possible set-ups left, hence multiples of 5.

You are correct that there are 20 setups left, but they're definitely not equiprobable. As faust pointed out at #222, certain states from the 2-option and 4-option pools were disallowed, and the effective probabilities of having 2, 3, or 4 roles get modified accordingly. It's only within each of those pools that all possible combinations remain equiprobable.

You need to do two rounds of re-normalization across the probabilities:

First, generate the full 40 possibilities that schadd might have generated using his proposal method. Probabilities in the 2-shot and 4-shot pools will be (1/3)*(1/15), and in the 3-shot pool it's (1/3)*(1/20)). Then multiply the ones whose costs sum to something outside 4-8 by zero, and redistribute all the other probabilities proportionally so that they still all sum to one.

Second, identify all the states that don't include Galz's flipped role. Set those states' probabilities to zero, and re-normalize again to get probabilities for the remaining 20 states.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:19:14 pm
So according to your logic everyone on the Dylan wagon is scum and everyone off it is town. GG everyone! Well done!

No, according to my logic, one person off it (myself) is town. Do you think we shouldn't place any value on wagon analysis when scumhunting?

Nowhere have I ever come remotely close to even hinting at that. You on the other hand concluded that because you were off of Dylan's wagon, are town. So case closed right? But not only that, that logic only applies to YOU. I just.... how... I... man this is exasperating.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:21:38 pm
Actual content coming soon, when I get home.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 09:25:54 pm
Nowhere have I ever come remotely close to even hinting at that.

You just did that in your previous post.

You on the other hand concluded that because you were off of Dylan's wagon, are town. So case closed right? But not only that, that logic only applies to YOU. I just.... how... I... man this is exasperating.

And then you did it again.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:41:58 pm
Nowhere have I ever come remotely close to even hinting at that.

You just did that in your previous post.

You on the other hand concluded that because you were off of Dylan's wagon, are town. So case closed right? But not only that, that logic only applies to YOU. I just.... how... I... man this is exasperating.

And then you did it again.

Just because I think you're wrong doesn't mean I'm dismissing wagon analysis entirely.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 09:43:46 pm
Just because I think you're wrong doesn't mean I'm dismissing wagon analysis entirely.

In that case I would assume you agree that me being off wagon is a reason to think I'm town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:49:19 pm
Just because I think you're wrong doesn't mean I'm dismissing wagon analysis entirely.

In that case I would assume you agree that me being off wagon is a reason to think I'm town.

Alright I'm tagging out. Somebody else take over, I can't handle it anymore.

Well what do we learn from Galz being JK:

1) Who was Galz likely to target for starters? Because that person did not carry the kill (unless skum has RB and skum decided to RB and kill Galz, which I find unlikely).
        - He was pushing LL hard so I wanna say its likely he went there. Doesn't absolve LL but def puts him in a more towny light than he was before. Also, he was pretty clear that he suspected XXR as his number 2 pick so probably drops him down the list a small amount.

2) JK/RC Role was worth 3 skum points. So among us we have the following options left:
     4 - Skum has "nada" and Town has either Neighborizor or Tracker
     5 - Skum has Role Cop and Town has either Vig or Doctor, or both Neighborizor and Tracker
     6 - Skum has Role Blocker and Town has Motion Detector or a combo of Vig/Doc and Neighborizor/Tracker
     7 - Skum has RC + RB and Town has Motion Detector and either Neighborizor or Tracker, or both Vig and Doc
     8 - Skum has Everything and Town has Motion Detector plus either Vig or Doctor, or Motion Detector and both Neighborizor and Tracker

3)
I am trying to find a way to use this to our advantage and all I am coming back with is... this is a shitty situation.
The idea of mass claiming kind of sucks because with Galz flipping as a "3" it significantly increased the liklihood of Skum having Day Chat.
The idea of having one role claim sucks as well IMO. I don't think any remaining role's info would outweigh the outting of themselves.
I was trying to come up with a scenario in which we could claim "skum point value" in order to try to isolate was Skum PR's could be out there. However, everything I think of is too easily manipulated.
The "if I was the neighborizor I would target.." idea seems like it would be an OK gameplan. Would like it if anyone has a downside to it speak up please.

4) Pretty much what I was left with was a Galz re-read.... which was surprisingly un-eventful. More surprisingly, he had like the #3 in post content and it was still the case. He saw LL as skummy, he saw Faust as town, and he mentioned one time (#50) that he read Skumpy as town. Other than that he kind of stayed out of the way - which I suppose makes sense given the power he had.

5) This comes from inexperience - but like.. if there is a Vig they would not of shot N1 right? Especially at Galz? Not anything worth considering there.


Blah. Whatever. More tomorrow. Sleep now.

Alright. ^I think this guy is town.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:55:41 pm
So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.

I don't think this is really fair to faust. I wouldn't put much stock into Dylan's reads either and I don't think faust really needs to come out and apologize to everyone. All we can do is "move on".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 09:59:18 pm
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.

What does exactly?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:01:20 pm
Awaclus and datswan are scum

Vote: Awaclus

That's not true. I promoted pro-town play for the entire duration of the day, you can see me genuinely scumhunt and I was off wagon for the town lynch.
Where can I see you genuinely scumhunt?

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.

As a result, I eventually (correctly) identified Galzria as someone I didn't want to lynch.

I'm not sure that's exactly the kind of community-spirited scum-hunting that most people think of when describing particular behaviour as scum-hunting.

I kind of feel like you're being more of a parody of yourself here than you often are. But you're an easy-to-push mislynch target, too, so I won't jump on the wagon yet.

I don't think scum!Space talks to their scum!Awaclus partner in this way, just for future reference.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 10:05:09 pm
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.

What does exactly?

What doesn't?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:05:48 pm
3. Is Andrew town, and scum didn't care who got lynched? If so, why Dylan and not Andrew? - They thought they could make an Andrew case today

Yes!

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6. What do we make of faust accusing both Galzria and Dylan? - Nothing. He was wrong. Shit happens.

Yes!

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8. Did Raptor genuinely not realize he was hammering? - I don't think he tries to pull that off given his image at the time.

Yes!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:06:47 pm
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.

What does exactly?

What doesn't?

TAGGING OUT. TAGGING OUT.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:20:52 pm
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

I agree with Skumpy on this, not buying it. This seems really off for Space.

Vote: Space
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 13, 2017, 10:21:56 pm
3. Actually makes me think Andrew's scum.

What does exactly?

What doesn't?

TAGGING OUT. TAGGING OUT.

Vote: Andrew
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:47:34 pm
Alright, Dylan votes.

Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

Note: Not including the first two votes (faust and me) as they were on Pg. 4 and were RVS.

LL votes saying he thinks Dylan is scum without really backing it up.

well, I can see why people are voting for me, but what is really strange is that some of them stated scumread on another person and then voted for me, weird. I think Dylan is scum here and I want to vote: Dylan as I don't remember if I am still doing that. I would even say DatSwan is one of the partners.

Datswan vote. No original opinion on the wagon and includes the caveat of "def could change on that".

Canít bwleive Iím saying it.... but I agree with Faust.
This actually makes me like the Andrew wagon a lot more then i did before.
Why?

Makes me think it could be skum buddy protection lowering  wagon count prior to the inevitable last minute piles that will soon ensue.
So, want to lynch Idplay? I mean this is stronger evidence on him than it is on Andrew.

Fair enough. I could go for that but doubt we gain much support.
vote: dylan seems like a better plan for the time being. Def could change on that but for now seems like a fine choice.

Galz vote.

I am not the biggest fan of this lynch, but I'll vote: Dylan for now. We're creeping up on deadline and are massively spread out. My LL vote is useless right now, Raptor/Awaclus don't seem to be happening, and I don't like the Faust wagon.

For those on Andrew: Why should I vote there over Dylan?

Me vote.

Really? Nobody into a DatSwan lynch?

I'll be around for a few more hours but not for deadline.

Andrew, what do you think of a raptor lynch? Would you move to Dylan if needed? Why should I vote DatSwan?

Raptor I don't feel one way or another about. Yes I'll move to Dylan now that faust isn't coming back and nobody else seems into DatSwan.

Vote: Dylan

e vote.

I won't participate in a last minute change.

Ok, fine. Spoil the party.

Vote: Dylan

IDPTG vote.

Just got back and caught up. I'll be here until deadline.

You want to lynch yourself?

If it would stop a no-lynch, yes, but I don't think we're there.

vote: Dylan L-1

Last time I lynched Dylan over Andrew, it didn't go well. I think this'll be better.

PPE 3

Raptor derp.

vote: Dylan Iíll try to be around but Iím workinh now.

Dylan just seemed more scummy compared to Andrew.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 13, 2017, 10:54:41 pm
This is kinda tough. e wanted an alternate wagon. I think if he was scum he would've just gone along with the Dylan lynch without much fuss. The whole "I think this'll be better" comment about from IDPTG seems like a hopeful town comment to me but I could be wrong. The raptor and LL votes are the scummiest to me. raptor not announcing intent to hammer isn't scummy to me, but just the nonchalant "Dylan just seemed more scummy" seems like he was thinking "I better post something to explain why I'm voting" instead of simply voting to get a lynch, which I think is a thought process more common for scum. LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 13, 2017, 11:42:01 pm
vote: LL
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 13, 2017, 11:53:20 pm
I have a third set of possible numbers for the likelihoods of each of the costs 4-8 (which disagrees with both sets presented so far).

@IDP, your set seems most suspicious because of all those clean multiple-of-five likelihoods you got out of the scenario. Did you read schadd's algorithm as described at #212, and faust's nice breakdown at #222?

I got 20 possible set-ups left, hence multiples of 5.

You are correct that there are 20 setups left, but they're definitely not equiprobable. As faust pointed out at #222, certain states from the 2-option and 4-option pools were disallowed, and the effective probabilities of having 2, 3, or 4 roles get modified accordingly. It's only within each of those pools that all possible combinations remain equiprobable.

You need to do two rounds of re-normalization across the probabilities:

First, generate the full 40 possibilities that schadd might have generated using his proposal method. Probabilities in the 2-shot and 4-shot pools will be (1/3)*(1/15), and in the 3-shot pool it's (1/3)*(1/20)). Then multiply the ones whose costs sum to something outside 4-8 by zero, and redistribute all the other probabilities proportionally so that they still all sum to one.

Second, identify all the states that don't include Galz's flipped role. Set those states' probabilities to zero, and re-normalize again to get probabilities for the remaining 20 states.

Fair enough. You can post yours or I can adjust mine.

raptor not announcing intent to hammer isn't scummy to me, but just the nonchalant "Dylan just seemed more scummy" seems like he was thinking "I better post something to explain why I'm voting" instead of simply voting to get a lynch, which I think is a thought process more common for scum.

Do you make anything of raptor's use of past tense about Dylan in relation to the derphammer?

PPE: OMGUS
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 14, 2017, 01:56:38 am
This was intended to be short. It's not.



First, I think I know where I went wrong with my calculations - I assumed the chance of flipping a 2,3, or 4 were all the same; pretty sure that is not the case, 4 is more likely than 2 at this point (to prove this, if Dylan was a PR and there were 2 dead PR's now, it would be far more likely that there were more PRs left than they were all dead).

@DatSwan What I was said was unfair and overly snappy, reading back. I blame external stimuli. But: I like elimination, as you well know, and 1/4 isn't very useful. True, there could be more scum there, but you also left faust and Andrew off your minilist (although more on that in a second). The other problem is: if Andrew is town, then by your logic, there's probably a scum in the 5 that voted him. And two of them are Dylan and yourself. So if you trust Andrew is town (and heck, maybe even if you don't), there's a pool of 3 that probably has a scum. So why not do that?

@Space It''s not about knowing metas, it's about how my writing style shares no commonalities whatsoever with Raptor's (unless that is what a meta is). Yes, you don't know us, but nobody mixed up in our first game like you did (granted, I was probably posting more and he was posting less, but still!) To lump me in with the twins seems like a very convenient way of making the classic scum move "here are 4 potential scum. 1 of them actually is scum so that when they're caught, I don't look so bad!"


Since I have been very tentative to give towncred this game, I'll dip two toes into the water here.

1. DatSwan: I will reveal some of my hesitancy with him, but not all - I felt coming into this game that the longer the game went on, the more likely he would be scum until he proves otherwise. In regards to his D2 opening post, it seemed scummy to theorize about roleblocking a jail keeper that was killed, but the rest of that post reminds me of a lot of his 105 lategame stuff - lots of theorizing, most of which is probably not very helpful or necessary to know :P, but still putting ideas out there. Based off my grand total of 1 game with him, my gut tells me I can read him pretty well, and right now, my guts telling me my guts say he's town. Not going all in yet, but I'll go like halfway.

2. Andrew: Whaaaat? Didn't Skumpy vote him? Yes! I did! But his recent semantics and scum hunting overall have been a lot more familiar. This don't seem like an act to get him off the chopping block today. He managed to pick up 5 votes yesterday, and nobody (besides yours truly) flipped from him. Doesn't mean there wasn't bussing, but it is a point in favor of two town wagons. And if Awaclus was arguing with me, "TAGGING OUT" is exactly what I'm doing as town - scum might be more anxious to get the heat off them.


Everybody else:
LaLight: Have I mentioned big wagons scare me? This one does. He has not been townying it up this game, but again, I don't seem to recall anybody defending him (especially the dead dudes), that's a troubling fact. No way I can L-2 this with 5 days left.

Space: More comfortable L-3ing this. I like discussing probabilities and improving my putrid mathing skills, but it really is an incredibly empty 38 posts. Lalight and Andrew on already? I could see a bus (I know I said Andrew was town earlier, but when someone agrees with an idea of mine, that always concerns me). I'm tempted to vote here to see what happens, but I won't (there was a vote here, but it has since been edited out).

Awaclus: Pass. Not that I'm against a lynch, it gets a wildcard out of the way.

IDPTG: Like, I just forget you're there. There's something about your profile-picless-posting that makes me think you're town, then I read the content and I think "Welp...who knows? He does!"

gkrieg: The longer you're gone, the more I look elsewhere at active players for scum. Which is why I'm starting to look back at you. Your read lists do strike me on the townier side, certainly enough to get you out of the top 3 pool.

faust: Soooo many townreads on you. And I kinda feel like there's a lot of your posting that suggests you are town, this isn't stuff you can say with such a townie accent if you're scum. But I thought you were a really bad scum player once, which was a theory that ended up getting busted hard. I'm not going to make the same mistake in the other direction....yet. And I still haven't moved from null for you. That's curious too.

Raptor: I liked Swan's defense when he said it. But now, I keep coming back to "This is the same as 105". I'm now remembering why you lasted so long, because nobody can be sure with you. And there's still my (probably incorrect) Raptor/Space theory still out there, awaiting a good counter.

2.7: How are you still under the radar?!?! I ended D1 intending to get back to voting for you ASAP....then I just didn't, and let others slip ahead of you. I believe not all scum has eluded notice, but I believe some definitely has. You could very well be a part of that latter category.


So leaning now towards....Raptor/Space/2.7? This post was stream-of-conscioused, please don't hold me to this if I'm wrong, but please give me a lot of credit if I'm at least 2/3 right.

Vote: XX
Still haven't had a chance to comb D1 and pay attention to all the interactions, I'm operating off of memory and so-far impressions of D2. I reserve the rights to reverse all reads (I found an anagram!!)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2017, 02:37:55 am
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

I agree with Skumpy on this, not buying it. This seems really off for Space.

Vote: Space
I don't understand why scum!Space would make something like this up. I mean Skumpy gives an explanation, but I am really not buying that. I think Space as any alignment wouldn't come up with this if it wasn't at least close to the truth.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2017, 02:38:46 am
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

Note: Not including the first two votes (faust and me) as they were on Pg. 4 and were RVS.
Speak for yourself. I don't do RVS.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2017, 02:40:07 am
LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.
I mean, I did the same thing; why do you think it's strange for LaLight but not for me?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: LaLight on November 14, 2017, 02:48:53 am
LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.

Well, I pretty much thought for the whole D1 that Dylan was scum Į\_(ツ)_/Į
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 14, 2017, 03:04:39 am
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

I agree with Skumpy on this, not buying it. This seems really off for Space.

Vote: Space
I don't understand why scum!Space would make something like this up. I mean Skumpy gives an explanation, but I am really not buying that. I think Space as any alignment wouldn't come up with this if it wasn't at least close to the truth.

Not suggesting they made it up exactly, just that it's surprising to me that Space would get those three mixed up. I just expect Space to be a little more familiar and knowledgeable of all three players.

LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.
I mean, I did the same thing; why do you think it's strange for LaLight but not for me?

It's strange for you too I guess but I would think LL would do a little more poking and prodding, trying to use votes to guage reactions. But maybe I'm misremembering how LL plays.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 14, 2017, 03:04:55 am
LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.

Well, I pretty much thought for the whole D1 that Dylan was scum Į\_(ツ)_/Į

See above.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 14, 2017, 03:08:14 am
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

Note: Not including the first two votes (faust and me) as they were on Pg. 4 and were RVS.
Speak for yourself. I don't do RVS.

Ok but you didn't give an explanation before voting so I just assumed it was RVS.

This was the last post from Dylan before you voted him (again this is pg. 4). Did it have something something to do with this post?

Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2017, 03:10:03 am
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

I agree with Skumpy on this, not buying it. This seems really off for Space.

Vote: Space
I don't understand why scum!Space would make something like this up. I mean Skumpy gives an explanation, but I am really not buying that. I think Space as any alignment wouldn't come up with this if it wasn't at least close to the truth.

Not suggesting they made it up exactly, just that it's surprising to me that Space would get those three mixed up. I just expect Space to be a little more familiar and knowledgeable of all three players.
Okay, but if it's not made up, then why is it scummy?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2017, 03:11:17 am
Dylan32 (7): faust, LaLight, Galzria, AndrewisFTTW, 2.71828..., IDontPlayThisGame, Xxraptorslayer96

Note: Not including the first two votes (faust and me) as they were on Pg. 4 and were RVS.
Speak for yourself. I don't do RVS.

Ok but you didn't give an explanation before voting so I just assumed it was RVS.

This was the last post from Dylan before you voted him (again this is pg. 4). Did it have something something to do with this post?

Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...
Yes. All he did was offer some pointless theory talk, trying to be helpful without committing to anything.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 14, 2017, 03:14:41 am
Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both). RR made a similar slip in my first game (!) that helped tell me Swan was town after RR flipped - this I could easily see being a bluff. Not voting yet.

I agree with Skumpy on this, not buying it. This seems really off for Space.

Vote: Space
I don't understand why scum!Space would make something like this up. I mean Skumpy gives an explanation, but I am really not buying that. I think Space as any alignment wouldn't come up with this if it wasn't at least close to the truth.

Not suggesting they made it up exactly, just that it's surprising to me that Space would get those three mixed up. I just expect Space to be a little more familiar and knowledgeable of all three players.
Okay, but if it's not made up, then why is it scummy?

Because the town!Space I know is confident, posting a lot of content, seems to have solid reads. This is the opposite of that.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 14, 2017, 04:10:39 am
Because the town!Space I know is confident, posting a lot of content, seems to have solid reads. This is the opposite of that.

Meh, I wouldn't describe me as a reads person at all. I'm good with likelihoods and handling information. Though it's entirely possible that my reads have been good and you're just scum.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 14, 2017, 04:05:09 pm
quote blocks would take up 2 pages. so I will summarize to 2 lines:

@Skumpy - All good. life sucks some times. I probably came off short as well. Apologies.
Vote: Awaclus


I have work for a bit but I will do some posting this evening.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 14, 2017, 04:36:24 pm
Ok getting to this now
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 14, 2017, 04:42:55 pm
@Skumpy - All good. life sucks some times. I probably came off short as well. Apologies.
Vote: Awaclus

I have provided a valid defense. There are others who have blatantly refused to even try even after multiple prompts. Voting for me is absolutely ridiculous at this point.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 14, 2017, 04:48:07 pm
@Skumpy - All good. life sucks some times. I probably came off short as well. Apologies.
Vote: Awaclus

I have provided a valid defense. There are others who have blatantly refused to even try even after multiple prompts. Voting for me is absolutely ridiculous at this point.

Noted.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 14, 2017, 04:58:32 pm


I like this from DatSwan.  Shows he is thinking about things, and trying to gather information from them.

Skumpy has a lot of stuff in his posts, but I really don't have any idea of what he'll look like when he is scum...

So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.
Well I have things to reconsider. I'm also moving on. I don't see how these two are mutually exclusive. And of course Dylan's reads are less important than Galzria's because Galzria was killed maybe for his reads, and Dylan wasn't. That is not controversial stuff.

I guess my point with that question is that you lead us to one mislynch, and the other person that you were heavily pushing for was also town, yet no one seems to give you any kind of scum points for that, and it looks like you are just chugging along like nothing really happened.

I intend to have my own fun with the probabilities when I have spare time, which will be Monday night my time. We'll see whether I agree with any of the numbers already posted. I don't think extensive debate about probabilities will be super-helpful, but I at least want to check that nobody's trying to mislead everyone with bad numbers.

I'm going to be semi-VLA tomorrow, because my super-secret new partner and I are spending a day in London doing tourist things. @gkrieg, you and kkrieg would be utterly bewildered at how few things we're planning on cramming into our day.

I'm not sure if I already responded to this, but  :)

I like IDPTGís amount of scumhunting and think it is sincere. Iíd like to vote: Space for not posting anything of substance at all :P

I have to agree with faust that this post is scummy.

Also, in my head I'm getting really quite mixed up between Skumpy and Raptor, and also Swan a bit, because they're all quite new to me, and also some of them have the Galz "twin claim" thing. I still haven't quite understood what a twin claim actually means.

I really don't believe this. There is nothing at all similar about us, and I would not be surprised to see a scum team of Space/{Raptor,DatSwan} (or both).

Meh. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. You're the people who're new to me here, which is the major thing you have in common. You're largely unaware of people's personal metas, and we're largely unaware of yours with the exception of the twin/triplet claim stuff. I know most of you have played one other game around here, and I was on the scumteam with Swan in the last game I played in, but I still don't feel like I have a good measure of him.

Anyway, my reads summary back at #340 lumped all three of you together in the less-towny end of my feelings about people. I've said I'm happy enough with a wagon on any of you, so I don't really think that my pointing out that I'm prone to getting confused between you is helping supposed scum buddies. I mainly said it to give town a hand understanding me, and also for help understanding the "twin claim" thing, since the only place I'd come across it before was Swan in the game where we were both scum, and other there, there seemed to be more pressing stuff to discuss. I think without having had it explained, I'd have assumed it would mean that the involved people have similar thought processes or metas, rather than just that they know each other IRL.

I'm not sure if town!Space is so acutely aware of posts they made in the past.  I'll have to think about this one, although I wish I could see their face when I accused them.

So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.

I don't think this is really fair to faust. I wouldn't put much stock into Dylan's reads either and I don't think faust really needs to come out and apologize to everyone. All we can do is "move on".

That wasn't my point.  My point was that most of the time when people lead a mislynch, while pushing another incorrect read, they at least acknowledge it and say they messed up, but that they're moving on.  Faust just starts right out of the gate, and it doesn't look like he has reevaluated at all.  I get that Dylan's reads aren't the most important ones, and that galzria's reads might be "more important", but that doesn't mean that Dylan's reads are completely useless. 

LL not moving his vote for pretty much the whole game is really strange to me but I'll have to go back and a do a reread on him.

Well, I pretty much thought for the whole D1 that Dylan was scum Į\_(ツ)_/Į

This doesn't come from town!LaLight. 

vote: LaLight

I think people should look more at faust later on.  I'm sad that no one is saying anything about the fact that faust was wrong on the two wagons he pushed D1.  I get that everyone has a right to be wrong, but I think it is townier to acknowledge that you were wrong.  I realize that people definitely disagree with me about this though.  I think the third scum could definitely be Andrew, for reasons that I'll explain eventually when I have time.  Mostly tone, and the content of his posts seems fake to me for some reason.

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 14, 2017, 04:59:02 pm
I also don't think I've played a game so far where Datswan was this talkative.  I like it.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 14, 2017, 06:37:31 pm
Wow, only six posts since my phone-post-from-bed this morning? There I was thinking I might need half an hour to catch up..
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 14, 2017, 06:40:39 pm
I'm not sure if town!Space is so acutely aware of posts they made in the past.  I'll have to think about this one, although I wish I could see their face when I accused them.

I don't know whether I am usually, but I remembered trying to put together the portmanteau of their names when I didn't feel like I had a big impression of them separately, so I knew it was somewhere, and ctrl-f is a thing :-)

I do feel bad for not having spent longer getting to know everyone as individual players with individual playstyles yet :-(
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 14, 2017, 07:06:45 pm
I think space is town
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 15, 2017, 01:31:40 am
I also don't think I've played a game so far where Datswan was this talkative.  I like it.

Sarcasm? Real question :P Gameplan going into this game was to try and switch it up to see if it was more or less helpful
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 15, 2017, 01:35:08 am
So trying to find something to speak opinion too but pretty much everything covered at this point.

1) inactive people should share opinions/reads at a minimum (when they have a moment of course).

2) in regards to the "Neighborizor Claim". Since we are not doing anything - is there an order that we should try to establish (does that even matter?). If so, how do we go about that. I get that we want to wait until later in the day to actually do the claim itself, but we should consider the IRL constraints of the weekend. Since the day ends on Sunday, do we maybe want to entertain getting that started prior to Friday/Saturday as I believe would be the accepted norm?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 15, 2017, 04:51:01 am
Skumpy has a lot of stuff in his posts, but I really don't have any idea of what he'll look like when he is scum...

Oh, well, when I'm Skum, my profile pic becomes Overgrown Estate. But seriously, you might not know now (and neither do I really), all I know is you'll know it when you see it. Trust me. My townplay consists of me coming forward and shouting a bunch of random nonsense off no importance whatsoever that is sometimes responded to, and sometimes totally ignored (am I seriously boring all of you that much? ...probably, I know). There is absolutely no chance I could pull a charade like that as skum. It would be so painfully awkward, I'd probably just end up self-voting after like 2 posts because I'd have no confidence whatsoever. I was given credit my first game for doing such a good job at convincing everyone I'm town when I didn't even have to go out of my way, and it led me to believe that when I'm town, everyone will know after just a few posts...

But not this game somehow. Which I don't understand, and is frankly starting to worry me just a tad lot even though my only vote-for this game was an RVS (I'm definitely not paranoid or anything).

Moving on...  :)


Neighborizer stuff: We're moving so slowly at this point that I'm just happy to do anything - my pick is faust. Shouldn't be hard for you to figure out why.


The LaLight situation: If faust was better at flipping coins, I might have a different opinion. As it is...I don't know how likely a replacement is at this point. The fact that I and everybody here is scumreading him concerns me, but at the same time, it might solve a lot of problems both ingame and outgame. Not voting yet because there's time enough to see what'll happen, but I suspect this will ultimately be the kill and it's not something I'm going to fight tooth and nail against. Besides, I think I like D3 most, and 6 vs 3 in the worst case is the point where I think a lot of the POE and deduction can really take shape (I'm saying that now, I probably will end up making myself heard today when it's actually lunchtime (I'm OK with that autocorrect)).

This post is how deathwishes are properly done btw.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 15, 2017, 05:03:13 am
So Faust, your top two scum reads are dead, but it seems to not have phased you at all and you say that Dylanís reads donít matter?  If I were in your position, I would acknowledge that I have some things to reconsider, but it seems like you are just moving on.
Well I have things to reconsider. I'm also moving on. I don't see how these two are mutually exclusive. And of course Dylan's reads are less important than Galzria's because Galzria was killed maybe for his reads, and Dylan wasn't. That is not controversial stuff.

I guess my point with that question is that you lead us to one mislynch, and the other person that you were heavily pushing for was also town, yet no one seems to give you any kind of scum points for that, and it looks like you are just chugging along like nothing really happened.
Should I run around telling people that they should scumread me? That doesn't seem productive. I mean I am pleasantly surprised that there's not more suspicion on me, but why should I push it?

I think people should look more at faust later on.  I'm sad that no one is saying anything about the fact that faust was wrong on the two wagons he pushed D1.  I get that everyone has a right to be wrong, but I think it is townier to acknowledge that you were wrong.  I realize that people definitely disagree with me about this though.  I think the third scum could definitely be Andrew, for reasons that I'll explain eventually when I have time.  Mostly tone, and the content of his posts seems fake to me for some reason.
Why is it townier to acknowledge that?

And all in all I wasn't terribly wrong on Galzria. I think it's safe to say that he played a more reserved game due to being a strong PR. A saw a difference and just interpreted it incorrectly.

How exactly did you incorporate Dylan's reads into your play today?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 15, 2017, 05:07:26 am
I'd do Andrew as Neighborizer.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 15, 2017, 05:08:30 am
Also I am fully in favor of resolving the LaLight situation via lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 15, 2017, 10:34:02 am
I also don't think I've played a game so far where Datswan was this talkative.  I like it.

Sarcasm? Real question :P Gameplan going into this game was to try and switch it up to see if it was more or less helpful

Not sarcasm.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 15, 2017, 12:05:22 pm
Vote count 2.3

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Skumpy
Awaclus (2): 2.71828..., DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (2): Teproc, AndrewisFTTW
Teproc (3): faust, Xxraptorslayer96, gkrieg13
AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus

not voting (1) : SpaceAnemone

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends sunday, november 19th at 00:00 forum time.

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Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Teproc on November 15, 2017, 02:01:02 pm
Hi all, will take time to read later tonight.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 15, 2017, 02:37:22 pm
I, too, will get to this tonight. For now though, vote: Space
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 15, 2017, 03:10:11 pm
hm. I don't know how to approach a lead lynch candidate being replaced. I suppose it doesn't matter right?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 15, 2017, 05:24:14 pm
 not feeling the space wagon
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 15, 2017, 05:40:48 pm
I was going to try to do a targeted re-read of everyone tonight, but I'm only through the first four in the list so far, and I'm feeling too tired to focus on more already, so I'll put what I've got here. Of these four, Skumpy feels the most scummy, but I was going through in sign-up order, so I haven't reached Andrew yet, and I'm still feeling the wagon there from D1.

e (46 posts): Lots of empty early stuff, but really active at the deadline. Wants to push IDPTG a lot. Joins the Dylan mislynch quite close to deadline when people are already starting not to be available for the night. Tentative townread. Though his most recent post says he thinks I'm probably town, so maybe I subconsciously got buddied, though it's not like I actually remembered that at the start of my re-read!

Skumpy (44 posts): I still find the "If I were skum" mindset a bit worrying. Also, what's with all that "don't want to vote Swan for reasons I'm not talking about" stuff? Wow, he writes long posts.. I think I've mostly only skimmed things of his before. Very few townies in his reads post at #245, and he misses out IDP and me completely for some reason. Very big on over-explaining his votes: could be a scum thing or could just be a verbosity thing. Made a bit of a show of being willing to switch to Andrew at the end of D1, but actually voting and staying on Dylan. Why is his top scum read at #484 a secret? The unvote at #490 was extra-super-unhelpful because it took a potential vote out of the game at a time when I and probably others on my side of the Atlantic were struggling to be present and about to have to call it a night. Comes into D2 with fishy-looking distributions over the cost numbers for the combinations of possible town roles. Admist at #672 that he hasn't given a lot of towncred... could be something possible scum-buddies mentioned in the night, though.

LL/Teproc (44 posts): Hard to get a read on LL. He seems genuine enough, but equally I could convince myself there's a little hint of the LL I saw when he and I were scum together, so I'm not townreading him as hard as I feel like I otherwise could. Let's see what Teproc says.

DatSwan (63 posts): Lots of early setup speculation founded on something incorrect. Then a bunch of middle posts that seem focused on Faust and Raptor kind of oddly. He gets more helpful towards the deadline, with town-to-scum lists that don't miss people off, and do offer plenty at the town end of the spectrum. He has a confusing number of posts where he seems to be misquoting or something.

PPE 1: Cool, now both of e's two most recent posts support me :-)
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 15, 2017, 06:11:56 pm
deadline extended by 24hr again.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 15, 2017, 06:30:37 pm
not feeling the space wagon

Sentences. Give us more sentences please. With good words in them.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 15, 2017, 07:03:41 pm
deadline extended by 24hr again.

why?

replacement
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 15, 2017, 07:05:26 pm
e (46 posts): Lots of empty early stuff, but really active at the deadline. Wants to push IDPTG a lot. Joins the Dylan mislynch quite close to deadline when people are already starting not to be available for the night. Tentative townread. Though his most recent post says he thinks I'm probably town, so maybe I subconsciously got buddied, though it's not like I actually remembered that at the start of my re-read!

What about this gives you your townread on e?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 15, 2017, 07:09:07 pm
Skumpy (44 posts): I still find the "If I were skum" mindset a bit worrying. Also, what's with all that "don't want to vote Swan for reasons I'm not talking about" stuff? Wow, he writes long posts.. I think I've mostly only skimmed things of his before. Very few townies in his reads post at #245, and he misses out IDP and me completely for some reason. Very big on over-explaining his votes: could be a scum thing or could just be a verbosity thing. Made a bit of a show of being willing to switch to Andrew at the end of D1, but actually voting and staying on Dylan. Why is his top scum read at #484 a secret? The unvote at #490 was extra-super-unhelpful because it took a potential vote out of the game at a time when I and probably others on my side of the Atlantic were struggling to be present and about to have to call it a night. Comes into D2 with fishy-looking distributions over the cost numbers for the combinations of possible town roles. Admist at #672 that he hasn't given a lot of towncred... could be something possible scum-buddies mentioned in the night, though.

Defense time! My favorite! I shall assume you're town for the purposes of this post:


"If I were skum": Fakeclaiming is tough this game. The end. I don't know why I'm the only person to realize this.

"Don't want to vote Swan": For reasons very similar to what Dylan did with Awaclus. And I did it first! I think I'm OK with sharing this stuff now, but I want to do one last reread of Swan before I reveal (even though I already did reveal most of it later on)

"Long posts...only skimmed things": Mwahaha, my plan exactly (insert evil emoji, which does not exist here). I know this isn't an accusation, but I'll answer anyways: I prefer to put everything in one big block rather than split em all up like faust. Just how I operate, I'm aware it's displeasing.

"Missed you and IDP": How dare you insult the memory of Dylan32, he's gone but not forgotten! I have a record of 1/2 for being correct on D1 townreads, which is worse than random guessing. I hate D1's, I don't think there's anything of worthwhile significance for the first lynch, I stand by it being a total shot in the dark that I still end up getting overconfident in.  On later days, sure. On D1, I can say "I don't want to lynch you now", but I'm very hesitant to take a stance and townread people, especially when I don't know their playstyles well enough. As for missing 3 people, I left an invisible middle category.

"Over explaining": "Is it scum or verbosity," you say?   ..... do I need to answer that?  :P

"Big show with Andrew": It's called uncertainty, or in Skumpy language, "I have no goddamn idea because I suck at reads". I did not 'stay' on Dylan, I unvoted because I got cold feet, which turned out to be correct. The 'I've made my decision' referred to Andrew...then I got scared again. If my being honest and blunt is a big show, enjoy the circus!

"Why top scum read a secret": Because it wasn't Andrew or Dylan and there wasn't anything to be accomplished. If I didn't mention it by now (and again, I think I did), it was 2.7. My first scumread in 105 was correct, but I never really acted on it until D3 even though my read never really wavered, it was just that other people felt more suspicious. The same thing happened D1, and I didn't want it to carry over into D2 (even though it already has. Surprise!)

"The Unvote being unhelpful": It was 2 hours before the lynch. I didn't say "alright, I'm unvoting, peace, see ya guys on the flip-flop" I stayed and was active. If it was needed, my vote was going right back to Andrew to make a lynch happen. There was time enough for me to think things through again and there were enough people to make a lynch happen, I definitely did not throw a wrench into the ironworks. Apologies to you East Atlantacians...but the deadline is always going to bother somebody. faust and Lalight were already gone anyways.

Fishy-Looking distributions: That has nothing to do with me being skum, that has to do with "I suck at math". And even if that was all a diabolical move on my part, what good does that accomplish? It's not like anybody cares about the exact numbers. I just took a chance to practice my basic coding, and apparently, also show off my putrid reasoning skills.

"Hasn't given towncred": This is actually where you are right, I got advice to act really uncertain because nobody would suspect the crying wolf. Props to you for figuring that part out.


Space, you're trying to scumread me when you should be trying to Skumread me. Not the same thing at all. Nobody has voted me this game outside of RVS when 7 of them had seen me play before. Am I stupid enough to trust they're all town just because they don't vote me? Yes, but I'm still not doing it. I have a history, you're invited to take a look before you continue down a blunder-populated pathway.

I should do a reread now. Eh, I'll Crastinate this time. I will at some point soon though.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Teproc on November 15, 2017, 07:29:38 pm
Commenting as I go through the game. I was vaguely following D1, Dylan got mislynched right ? I guess I'll see soon enough. I apologize in advance for the wall of text.

Vote: Dylan

Vote: Dylan

Super early, but still, gonna say Andrew and faust are somewhat unlikely to be scum together.

Early Skumpy is very reminiscent of M105!Skumpy.

#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#102: towny chairs, to the point.

Awaclus has an awful neighborizer plan which seems out-of-character.

#126: I know, right ? (not alignment-relevant, don't bother)

#127: IDPTG's "Skumpy covered the setup pretty well" seems scummy to me. I seem to remember IDPTG being more interested in setup talk than that.

#136: Galz arbitratily declaring faust is town. Townie. Also accurately calls out IDPTG for talking about rereads for a game that's barely started.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#153: A bad IDPTG vote (on Andrew, who was doing fine). Well, I know who I'd have been wanting to lynch at that point.

faust is having some fun. I don't remember what that means, but I like it.

Dylan wagon forming because LALL. Ugh. People, you need to stop listening to faust on D1, lynching lurkers suck. I would never support such a thing. Never !

#169: Oh no, I unwittingly agreed with Awaclus, argh.

#175: A well-deserved vote for faust by Awaclus. What is happening ?

#176: IDPTG making sense, which I think is townie for him. I guess I'd be switching to... well, not faust I don't think, but someone else at this point. Maybe Swan.

#180: Galz doing some Awaclus-wrangling. Easy to fake (unhelpful town is lovely to deal with as scum, not that Awaclus was being particularly unhelpful here but you know), but I like it.

#189: Of course faust hates it (it being the above).

#193: Yeah, IDPTG is getting townie now (nothing super specific, just generally being constructive).

#194: Aaaaaand Galz getting into a theoretical argument with Awaclus AND voting for "me". Sigh. You were doing so well !

#198: More alignment-irrelevant truth from Andrew.

Andrew is funny. I missed playing with you, it's been a while !

Ah, Space is in this game. Yeah, I guess that's where my vote would've been at that point. I do think I have a math-hating bias against them, but oh well.

#216: Wait wait, Space is actually giving reads, real ones. Nevermind then. That's atually a super-townie post given that scum!Space was entirely incapable of doing even half of that in M108.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#245: Skumpy going from a non-wagon to another, which at this exact point of the game is townie I think. Also... yeah, Dylan did get mislynched (and I see Galz was killed too, I guess I can stop commenting on him) and was the leading wagon at this point, yet Raptor has nothing to say about him. Given that Dylan was town, I find that super-townie: scum definitely wants to take some sort of stance regarding a leading mislynch wagon.

#251: Don't like that Swan vote, and not just because it's on "me". Feels forced, with some scummy hedge too.

#256: Dead town reads! Unvoting scummy!Swan to vote for "me". Tssk.

#265: "X is town." posts are my favorite posts. Still not convinced Swan is though. I was also just thinking I had no idea how I could read XXR, so I'm very curious what made Swan think that, especially given the triplets-claim . Swan ?

#284: A wild gkrieg appears ! He's doing a reread right away, doesn't he know only losers do that ?

It's actually a pretty good post. I think scum!gkrieg is the constructive type, though ? Don't remember if I've encountered scum!gkrieg past his newbie days.

Awaclus is funny too, sometimes.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#313: IDPTG u Andrew(2), v Raptor (1)

This is a pretty interesting point wagon-wise btw. Vote count there is

Space (3): gkrieg, Swan, ANdrew
Andrew (3): IDPTG, Space, Skumpy
LL (2): Galz, Dylan
Dylan (2): faust, LL
faust (2): Raptor, Awaclus
IDPTG (1): e

Seems pretty safe to bet at least one scum has 2 votes on them. Otherwise they're sitting pretty I suppose, but I'd expect the people doing the most work at this point to be more likely to be scum.

faust is there but that's just faust, mostly I'm looking at IDPTG's #309 vote and especially DatSwan's #331 vote. They both are getting off the leading wagons (Andrew and Space) and Swan's Dylan vote makes him the lead lynch candidate.

Andrew's 334 also fit, but like IDPTG he goes to a new wagon, so Swan still looks scummiest here.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

#354: Kinda smarmy from Swan, scummy I think.

Ah, Swan's #356 kinda ruins my argument (going back to Andrew, resulting in

faust (3) Raptor, Awaclus, Dylan
Andrew (3): Space, Skumpy, Swan
Dylan (2): faust, LL
LL (1): Galz
IDPTG (1): e
Raptor (1): IDPTG
Space (1): gkrieg
Swan (1): Andrew

Oh well, he's still scummy. I do think this vote count also makes faust and Andrew scummy based on how the day ended up (but I could be proved wrong by how things go from there again I guess). That is, I'm assuming there to be some effort to swing towards Dylan next if one of them is scum.

IDPTG goes for a Raptor lurker thing rather than Dylan, which looks townie given Dylan's alignment.

And then he ruins it with a scumslip argument. Boo !

8 hours to deadline at this point, things are veeery undecided. Scum has to be worried, even if they're not in the main three "wagons" (faust, Andrew, Dylan), this a very indecisive D1 and scum does not like that.

And the first swing vote I was waiting for on Dylan comes from... Galz (426). Of course. Hrmph.

Townpoints to Swan for defending Dylan here. Even if the main three wagons are on town, I think scum is still nervous and wants nothing more than let the Dylan momentum continue. I mean, both faust and Galz are now on him, that's a very good start, but at only three votes anything could still happen.

#441: Here's the scummy swing vote I was looking for, by Andrew. A bit of a fussy vote too, especially for ANdrew.

#449: With Awaclus on Andrew, it's now looking like a Dylan v Andrew thing. ANdrew gets to L-2 first thanks to gkrieg (#455), but then Skumpy switches, which is pretty decisive and does not look good for Skumpy. Unless Andrew is town, in which case whatever, scum is fine sitting back now, they're safe.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#490: Skumpy unvoting ! Definitely not Andrew's partner then, which might be useful to know later.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Null on Raptor's hammer. It's not great because Dylan could have claimed, but I entirely buy that Raptor didn't realize it and it was very close to deadline. Don't think it's alignment-indicatve at all really.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 15, 2017, 09:02:17 pm
Wow, I suck. Promise to get to this asap.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 15, 2017, 10:24:23 pm
Awaclus has an awful neighborizer plan which seems out-of-character.

The only part about it that was out-of-character was that it was awful. Other than that, it was perfectly in-character.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 15, 2017, 10:29:49 pm
Quick note- I'm going to be VLA November 17th-19th. I should have time to post a little those days and I'll try to make some time for the deadline.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 01:31:35 am
Space (3): gkrieg, Swan, ANdrew
Andrew (3): IDPTG, Space, Skumpy
LL (2): Galz, Dylan
Dylan (2): faust, LL
faust (2): Raptor, Awaclus
IDPTG (1): e

Seems pretty safe to bet at least one scum has 2 votes on them.
Is there any reason for this assumption other than basic probability?

Other than that, I read all of this post, I still think that is a good place to lynch.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 01:42:22 am
#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 01:43:24 am
There was supposed to be a preface to this post that said something along the lines of "let's see why Teproc thinks e is scum".
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 16, 2017, 02:07:34 am
Unvote ó Welcome Tep

Reads
Scum
Andrew- Did his team save him from being lynched D1?
2.71828- flying pretty far under the radar ( I know, ironic coming from me). Just feel like hes not trying this game, out of character for him?
Awaclus- I guess this is just more of a gut feeling. The back and forth's with Andrew seem kind setup. Team?

null
Teproc- just entered the game. Giving him the benefit of the doubt at first.
Gkrieg- I️ have not had very many interactions with this player
Skumpy- scummier side of null. Strange as always. Nothing in particular that makes me think heís scum. I️ think itís weird that he never voted
Space - I️ need to reread. Nothing off the top of my head that comes off as scummy


Town
Faust- Seems to be genuinely scum hunting
Swan- Honestly slightly hard to not be basis. I️ feel like heís acting similar to 105
IDPTG- majority of his arguments make sense

Did I get everyone? Again apologies I've been busy as of late.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:33:28 am
Commenting as I go through the game. I was vaguely following D1, Dylan got mislynched right ? I guess I'll see soon enough. I apologize in advance for the wall of text.

Vote: Dylan

Vote: Dylan


#251: Don't like that Swan vote, and not just because it's on "me". Feels forced, with some scummy hedge too. - Vote was a little forced TBH. I meant what I said, I thought Space/LL interactions were cheesy skummy sounding so I picked the person I felt skummiest and voted there.

#256: Dead town reads! Unvoting scummy!Swan to vote for "me". Tssk. - I am still not sure how I was coming off as skummy at this point, but somewhat irrelevant now. Should be noted that Post #1 of the game was him voting for me so it had been some time for him to consider things.

#265: "X is town." posts are my favorite posts. Still not convinced Swan is though. I was also just thinking I had no idea how I could read XXR, so I'm very curious what made Swan think that, especially given the triplets-claim . Swan ? - I thought I made it fairly clear. As you played with us in 105 I assume you remember the... ahem... "XXR blunder" on D3 or D4, whichever it was. I do not believe that such a new player, especially one with such a low post count, would make so many errors in one post as skum. I feel like everything from the grammar to the terminology would be correct. He spelled "faust" incorrectly, he used "bus" when he meant "wagon"... and then there is the entire line on me; "seems quite for someone who normally has a lot to say" - first off he mis-spelled "quiet" as "quite", and then also, as much as I would love to believe my image is oh so talkative Swan... I do not feel like until this game I have really put in an effort to claim that. I feel like Skum!Anyone would not make such a claim with like no real substantiation to back it. If anything, the opposite.


#354: Kinda smarmy from Swan, scummy I think. - I will start to using **'s around what I thought was clear sarcasm.


Oh well, he's still scummy. I do think this vote count also makes faust and Andrew scummy based on how the day ended up (but I could be proved wrong by how things go from there again I guess). That is, I'm assuming there to be some effort to swing towards Dylan next if one of them is scum. - I mean... I was pretty clear I didn't want to vote Dylan...

8 hours to deadline at this point, things are veeery undecided. Scum has to be worried, even if they're not in the main three "wagons" (faust, Andrew, Dylan), this a very indecisive D1 and scum does not like that. - I have a lot to say about this. Will post separately.


Townpoints to Swan for defending Dylan here. Even if the main three wagons are on town, I think scum is still nervous and wants nothing more than let the Dylan momentum continue. I mean, both faust and Galz are now on him, that's a very good start, but at only three votes anything could still happen.

#441: Here's the scummy swing vote I was looking for, by Andrew. A bit of a fussy vote too, especially for ANdrew. - At first this was my only thought as well. Upon further thought, not ruling it out, but if Andrew is Town, the only person he knows to be town is himself. So if faust is off the table, which he kind of was at this point, and it is between him and someone else... I mean you vote for the person you are not 100% sure is town right?

#449: With Awaclus on Andrew, it's now looking like a Dylan v Andrew thing. ANdrew gets to L-2 first thanks to gkrieg (#455), but then Skumpy switches, which is pretty decisive and does not look good for Skumpy. Unless Andrew is town, in which case whatever, scum is fine sitting back now, they're safe. - paints both of them in a bad light imo.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh. - given circumstances I found specifically this extremely strange. (skum relaxed at this point, knowing dylan not skum, so making waves on some third party trying to save town looks good etc etc.)


#490: Skumpy unvoting ! Definitely not Andrew's partner then, which might be useful to know later. - disagree. I think the room read pretty clear at this point that one of them was going to lynch.


#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here. - See above two points, but I agree this switch paints E! in a townier light.

Null on Raptor's hammer. It's not great because Dylan could have claimed, but I entirely buy that Raptor didn't realize it and it was very close to deadline. Don't think it's alignment-indicatve at all really. - extremely un-null on raptors hammer for the exact reason that Dylan could of claimed.


Opinions. FWIW. Skipped most the early stuff as we have already talked it to death. It was important of course for you to read through it, just don't want to have any of those same conversations again :P


Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:39:21 am
Unvote ó Welcome Tep

Reads
Scum
Andrew- Did his team save him from being lynched D1?
2.71828- flying pretty far under the radar ( I know, ironic coming from me). Just feel like hes not trying this game, out of character for him?
Awaclus- I guess this is just more of a gut feeling. The back and forth's with Andrew seem kind setup. Team?

null
Teproc- just entered the game. Giving him the benefit of the doubt at first.
Gkrieg- I️ have not had very many interactions with this player
Skumpy- scummier side of null. Strange as always. Nothing in particular that makes me think heís scum. I️ think itís weird that he never voted
Space - I️ need to reread. Nothing off the top of my head that comes off as scummy


Town
Faust- Seems to be genuinely scum hunting
Swan- Honestly slightly hard to not be basis. I️ feel like heís acting similar to 105
IDPTG- majority of his arguments make sense

Did I get everyone? Again apologies I've been busy as of late.

Andrew- Did his team save him from being lynched D1? ---- Can you explain what your theory is on this. Not saying it might not be relevant, just some details would be nice from you POV.

Teproc- just entered the game. Giving him the benefit of the doubt at first. --- Remember while he is a new player, he holds the same role that LL held prior to his take over. I have answered my own question from before.. you should absolutely keep the Teproc/LL line clear in head, but also weigh both sets of actions as they are.

Skumpy- scummier side of null. Strange as always. Nothing in particular that makes me think heís scum. I️ think itís weird that he never voted --- He did vote. He unvoted right at the end.

Faust- Seems to be genuinely scum hunting --- He always seems to be genuinely skum hunting. I mean I think he is town at this point, but just saying.

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:42:08 am
#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?

Just to the last part - E! last minute voted for Space at the EOD in 108 and Space was skum. Therefore, not skummy. Now he votes for Dylan last minute-ish in this game at EOD1 and Dylan flipped town. Not saying people don't make mistakes.. but THAT is how it is skummy.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:44:08 am
not feeling the space wagon

Sentences. Give us more sentences please. With good words in them.

pretty please.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:50:09 am
I was going to try to do a targeted re-read of everyone tonight, but I'm only through the first four in the list so far, and I'm feeling too tired to focus on more already, so I'll put what I've got here. Of these four, Skumpy feels the most scummy, but I was going through in sign-up order, so I haven't reached Andrew yet, and I'm still feeling the wagon there from D1.

e (46 posts): Lots of empty early stuff, but really active at the deadline. Wants to push IDPTG a lot. Joins the Dylan mislynch quite close to deadline when people are already starting not to be available for the night. Tentative townread. Though his most recent post says he thinks I'm probably town, so maybe I subconsciously got buddied, though it's not like I actually remembered that at the start of my re-read!

Skumpy (44 posts): I still find the "If I were skum" mindset a bit worrying. Also, what's with all that "don't want to vote Swan for reasons I'm not talking about" stuff? Wow, he writes long posts.. I think I've mostly only skimmed things of his before. Very few townies in his reads post at #245, and he misses out IDP and me completely for some reason. Very big on over-explaining his votes: could be a scum thing or could just be a verbosity thing. Made a bit of a show of being willing to switch to Andrew at the end of D1, but actually voting and staying on Dylan. Why is his top scum read at #484 a secret? The unvote at #490 was extra-super-unhelpful because it took a potential vote out of the game at a time when I and probably others on my side of the Atlantic were struggling to be present and about to have to call it a night. Comes into D2 with fishy-looking distributions over the cost numbers for the combinations of possible town roles. Admist at #672 that he hasn't given a lot of towncred... could be something possible scum-buddies mentioned in the night, though.

LL/Teproc (44 posts): Hard to get a read on LL. He seems genuine enough, but equally I could convince myself there's a little hint of the LL I saw when he and I were scum together, so I'm not townreading him as hard as I feel like I otherwise could. Let's see what Teproc says.

DatSwan (63 posts): Lots of early setup speculation founded on something incorrect. Then a bunch of middle posts that seem focused on Faust and Raptor kind of oddly. He gets more helpful towards the deadline, with town-to-scum lists that don't miss people off, and do offer plenty at the town end of the spectrum. He has a confusing number of posts where he seems to be misquoting or something.

PPE 1: Cool, now both of e's two most recent posts support me :-)


E! - Agreement

LL/Teproc - Did not read LL as genuine. Not, like, not genuine either.. just weird enough to put him on my list. Didn't play with him as skum in whatever game that was so no opinion there.

Skumpy - As someone who played my entire first town games in the mindset of "if I were skum" I have to disagree with that concept. I do not think the majority of players, Skumpy specifically given the unvote, thought the options at hand were really great. When in that situation, looking at things from a skum perspective can be quite helpful IMO.

Me - Yeah I wasted 48 hours of my life, I suck. I purposefully do not try to piss off people in my summary posts because I find it helps the group be more conducive of skum hunting instead of defending themselves. annnnndddd obviously I suck at quoting.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:55:43 am
I'd do Andrew as Neighborizer.

So that is a no to establishing the order then?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 02:56:27 am
#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?

Just to the last part - E! last minute voted for Space at the EOD in 108 and Space was skum. Therefore, not skummy. Now he votes for Dylan last minute-ish in this game at EOD1 and Dylan flipped town. Not saying people don't make mistakes.. but THAT is how it is skummy.
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 02:57:50 am
#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?

Just to the last part - E! last minute voted for Space at the EOD in 108 and Space was skum. Therefore, not skummy. Now he votes for Dylan last minute-ish in this game at EOD1 and Dylan flipped town. Not saying people don't make mistakes.. but THAT is how it is skummy.
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 02:58:42 am
I'd do Andrew as Neighborizer.

So that is a no to establishing the order then?
I don't think there is anything to be gained from establishing an order. Everyone should just name their target in their next post, and perhaps a secondary target in case their first choice gets lynched.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 02:59:27 am
So, like:

First choice: Andrew
Sceond choice: Awaclus.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 03:03:13 am
First Choice: XXR
Second Choice: Faust
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 03:06:26 am
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
I know. But now you have given him something he can build upon. Or alternatvely, you have influenced what he will say. If you had not answered, he would have to come up with an answer all on his own; it gives more insight that way. Usually, when I ask someone a question, it is because I think the answer of that particular player to that particular question will help me determine their alignment. Once other people start to answer, it all gets watered down.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
Post by: Swowl on November 16, 2017, 03:08:12 am
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
I know. But now you have given him something he can build upon. Or alternatvely, you have influenced what he will say. If you had not answered, he would have to come up with an answer all on his own; it gives more insight that way. Usually, when I ask someone a question, it is because I think the answer of that particular player to that particular question will help me determine their alignment. Once other people start to answer, it all gets watered down.

Ah well that is fair enough. Too late on this one sorry, but i will respect that going forward.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Skumpy on November 16, 2017, 05:22:38 am
First choice: faust
Second choice: Space

Lots of rereading still to get done (tomorrow is the day! Probably), for now I will say DatSwan has shot up to the top of my townreads. The entire response post to Teproc reeks of townliness. It's all either stuff I agree with or stuff that I agree would come from the mouth/fingers of townSwan (Twan?)

I'll explain now the 'patience' I had with him day 1: In 105, he found a way to make that post (specifically, the one where he claimed VT) that let me know beyond shadows of doubt that he was town, despite other people scumreading it. Based on a cursory, occasional lookthrough of 108 (I had nothing else to do, I was bored in class!), I never saw that same "Guys, I'm town!" post. So my approach coming into this game was he would start null, and would inch towards scum the longer the game went on and the more often he was unable to write the town post. Hence, why I didn't want to vote him D1 (he made a grand total of 1 post on D1 in 105 so I didn't have much to compare to) and why I didn't want to say why I didn't want to vote him (in case that gave him inspiration on how to craft a townpost). But I think he's done a good job recently with quick accurate responses that match exactly what I'm thinking and seem genuine. With all due respect to Swan, I don't imagine he's capable of this as scum.

More later, sleep now.

Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 16, 2017, 10:32:04 am
First: Faust
Second: Space
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 11:23:47 am
Aww, everyone wants to be neighbors with me!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 16, 2017, 11:27:26 am
First choice: IDPTG
Second choice: Datswan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Xxraptorslayer96 on November 16, 2017, 11:34:25 am
First choice: Faust
Second choice: Swan
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 12:00:56 pm
e, gkrieg: Since you are clearly around, want to contribute some more? What do you think of Teproc's opening post?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on November 16, 2017, 01:59:21 pm
Is it more powerful to create two ICs using the Neighbourizer, or to out a definite scum? I'm guessing the former, but I'm not totally convinced.

For people picking a scumread to neighbourize, then presumably the expectation is that you die in the night, thus revealing that your top pick was evil. In the meantime, scum gets an NK. Then on D3, town presumably uses the lunch to take out the exposed scum, and then at night the remaining scum get another NK. That's quite an expensive way of performing a one-for-one trade, though it might be worth it to take a strong scum player (i.e. faust) out of the game.

For people picking a townread, presumably we're looking at having two ICs, like masons, except that one of them can be specifically picked to be a strong player. I'm never that convinced about the utility of having a separate communication channel, but having two players who can't possibly be scum is pretty huge.

I like gkrieg's track record with reads in general (he was picking faust out as scum in the speccy in the game where faust and I were scum), and he's not posted enough for me to have made up my mind about his alignment, so I think he's going to be my top pick. I need to re-read him to be sure, but tonight I'm organising a work social, so I'm not sure how much reading time I'll have. My second pick is probably faust, though e is vocal and involved enough that I might swing that way, depending on how my faust re-read feels.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 02:02:04 pm
town presumably uses the lunch to take out the exposed scum
Nasty!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 16, 2017, 02:15:21 pm
First choice: Faust
Second choice: SpaceAnemone
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 16, 2017, 02:23:24 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Awaclus on November 16, 2017, 02:35:19 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 16, 2017, 03:07:36 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 03:08:36 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 16, 2017, 03:23:10 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.

Ah.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: IDontPlayThisGame on November 16, 2017, 03:54:03 pm
I'd pick Teproc or gkrieg.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: faust on November 16, 2017, 04:10:49 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.

Ah.
But you don't have to participate, now everyone knows it's not you anyway...
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 16, 2017, 04:46:06 pm
robert plant!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 16, 2017, 04:46:26 pm
likes ants!
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: schadd on November 16, 2017, 04:46:39 pm
https://youtu.be/HZ4uzD_hLds?t=26s (https://youtu.be/HZ4uzD_hLds?t=26s)

it is the springtime of my lovin
the second season i am to know
you are the sunlight in my growin
so little warmth i've felt before
it isn't hard to feel me glowin
i watch the fire, that grew so low, oh


Vote count 2.4

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Skumpy
Awaclus (2): 2.71828..., DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (3): Teproc, AndrewisFTTW, IDontPlayThisGame
Teproc (2): faust, gkrieg13
AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus

not voting (2) : SpaceAnemone, Xxraptorslayer96

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends sunday, november 19th at 00:00 forum time.

mod notes
mod quotes:
deadline extended by 24hr again.

why?

replacement
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on November 16, 2017, 04:48:37 pm
First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.

Ah.
But you don't have to participate, now everyone knows it's not you anyway...

Or maybe it is and I'm trying to throw everyone off my trail! #mafia #wifom #blessed
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Teproc on November 16, 2017, 04:52:47 pm
Ok, day 2 now

Swan doing a bunch of NK analysis. It's fine. I don't think it's clear enough who Galz targeted to learn much, and he's a pretty vanilla kill target.

Skumpy's big post is pretty townie, trying to do what  worked in M105.

faust is prickly, which is generally townie right ?

#590: e finally doing stuff. Though an Awaclus vote is pretty meh.

#598: Space being super hedgy, which I think is scummy for them.

I have no idea what my vocal range or whatever is btw.

Swan asking why Galz was killed feels strange, given that he was in a scumteam that almost killed Galz for typical reasons (ie not PR-related) in M108.

#609: faust following e on Awaclus, which I find surprising.

#612: e describing why an Awaclus lynch is a coin toss (with weighted odds for whatever the ratio is at that point in the game, you get what I mean). But finds him scummy for his response. His response to what ? e ? To your vote on him ?

Andrew is being funny again. I actually think it's relevant, he seems really relaxed, which I think means town. His work is also better directed than other people's (read: Swan) early D2.

Yep, more good stuff from Andrew (in the #670s), though I don't agree with much of it.

#684: Swan votes for Awaclus, which, alright, I guess he might get a pass for not having played with Awaclus before, but still. It's not that I particularly think Awaclus is town (again, a weighted coinflip), it's just that if he is, he's a veeeery nice place to have your vote as scum.

gkrieg is very Lost-like, which I thought was scummy then but it was apparently not, so I guess it's townie.

#692: e trying to bribe me with a "X is town" post. I see what you're doing, e.

And this is where I replace in.
Title: Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
Post by: Teproc on November 16, 2017, 04:58:09 pm