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Title: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 12, 2017, 12:12:39 pm
Clickbaity title, huh? Seriously though, a disclaimer: This thread is entirely speculation and guesswork on my part, albeit educated guesswork and informed speculation. Ever since the release of Adventures, I've been trying to predict what the next Dominion expansion will contain (assuming there is another one). And while for the most part I'm off, my crazy predictions have a habit of coming true:

I hope we get some cards that give +3 actions.

That was my first ever post on f.ds

So with that in mind, I'm wondering what the next Dominion expansion will contain. Every time, Donald surprises us with new and exciting content, but I believe there is a rhyme of reason to what the next expansion will contain. And with that in mind, here is what I think the next Dominion expansion will contain in terms of theme and mechanics.

Adventures was, in many ways, a sequel to Seaside. Though it added plenty of new mechanics, it saw the re-release of Durations, as well as other cards which have an effect later. After that, we had Empires, which picked up were Prosperity left off. New, strong and expensive cards and VP tokens. Coincidentaly, Seaside and Prosperity are, in order, the large Dominion expansions which add new card types. So, what comes after Prosperity, well, Cornucopia, but that is a small set. After that is Hinterlands, but that doesn't add too many new things. So we have Dark Ages. Dark Ages is the next in line of big Dominion sets with mechanis and features which could be fleshed out.

So, to stop beating around the bush, I think the next Dominion set will be a sequel of sorts to Dark Ages. I think we will see plenty of attack cards, maybe more Curse and Ruins type cards, as that seems the logical step after VP and then Treasure type cards. I believe the theme will be more dark and gritty then we have seen recently; Guilds was about Business, Adventures was about fun adventures (go figure) and Empires was about being great and powerful. This new set will be about conquest, warfare and other terrific stuff like that. I think we will see a Paladin, Arsenal, Seige, and more Knight-like stuff.

So those are my thoughts. Again, pure speculation, but we all love speculation, and I've given this quite a bit of thought. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 13, 2017, 06:21:34 pm
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Kirian on May 13, 2017, 09:35:39 pm
It will be a normal size expansion.

It will contain cards.

At least one of the cards will have the word "Action" on it.

Most of the cards will have "Dominion" on the reverse.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: trivialknot on May 13, 2017, 09:53:15 pm
The best way to make predictions is through extrapolation!  Since there was a big pause before Adventures, I'm just going to draw a line through Adventures and Empires.

The next expansion will...
...come out in August 2017
...will have 42 Landmarks
...will have 6 events
...will have 10 split piles
...will have 200 cards
...will have -2 traveler lines

Sounds exciting!
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 13, 2017, 10:09:22 pm
The best way to make predictions is through extrapolation!  Since there was a big pause before Adventures, I'm just going to draw a line through Adventures and Empires.

The next expansion will...
...come out in August 2017
...will have 42 Landmarks
...will have 6 events
...will have 10 split piles
...will have 200 cards
...will have -2 traveler lines

Sounds exciting!

This actually sounds like a pretty bad expansion.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LastFootnote on May 13, 2017, 10:22:51 pm
The best way to make predictions is through extrapolation!  Since there was a big pause before Adventures, I'm just going to draw a line through Adventures and Empires.

The next expansion will...
...come out in August 2017
...will have 42 Landmarks
...will have 6 events
...will have 10 split piles
...will have 200 cards
...will have -2 traveler lines

Sounds exciting!

This actually sounds like a pretty bad expansion.

Cheap, though. Unless it has like a million metal tokens or something.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: gkrieg13 on May 13, 2017, 10:53:33 pm
The best way to make predictions is through extrapolation!  Since there was a big pause before Adventures, I'm just going to draw a line through Adventures and Empires.

The next expansion will...
...come out in August 2017
...will have 42 Landmarks
...will have 6 events
...will have 10 split piles
...will have 200 cards
...will have -2 traveler lines

Sounds exciting!

This actually sounds like a pretty bad expansion.

Cheap, though. Unless it has like a million metal tokens or something.

Well it should have 192 metal tokens if we are extrapolating.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Kirian on May 13, 2017, 11:03:44 pm
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating.png)

Is there a named rule for the rule "There's an appropriate xkcd comic for everything"?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: gkrieg13 on May 13, 2017, 11:07:04 pm
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/extrapolating.png)

Is there a named rule for the rule "There's an appropriate xkcd comic for everything"?

Well they need to make an xkcd for that first
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Donald X. on May 13, 2017, 11:11:59 pm
Well it should have 192 metal tokens if we are extrapolating.
Adventures had cardboard tokens, Empires had metal. It would be diamond tokens next.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Titandrake on May 13, 2017, 11:36:00 pm
Well it should have 192 metal tokens if we are extrapolating.
Adventures had cardboard tokens, Empires had metal. It would be diamond tokens next.
Why not zircon? It would be a lot cheaper...
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ObtusePunubiris on May 14, 2017, 12:53:47 am
Well it should have 192 metal tokens if we are extrapolating.
Adventures had cardboard tokens, Empires had metal. It would be diamond tokens next.

There we have it.  Confirmation that the next expansion will introduce gem stones as a new type of currency.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on May 14, 2017, 09:27:00 am
Well it should have 192 metal tokens if we are extrapolating.
Adventures had cardboard tokens, Empires had metal. It would be diamond tokens next.

There we have it.  Confirmation that the next expansion will introduce gem stones as a new type of currency.

Finally, the Puzzle Strike crossover expansion we were all clamoring for
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: JThorne on May 15, 2017, 09:26:42 am
I was just teaching Dominion IRL to a few newbies. I've hooked a great many gamers on it.

I was explaining how some cards, such as Village and Crossroads, add two or more actions to the action pool, allowing you to play more action cards that turn. One of them asked an interesting question:

"Are there any action cards that consume more than one action from the pool?"

No, but...wow. How powerful would an action card have to be to require spending two actions on it? What would be worth crowding your terminal space that much?

Anyway, just thinking about things that are relatively simple and haven't been done yet. A card like that would say, what, -1 Action? Maybe it could be played with only 1 action available, but would consume two if relevant, meaning that your counter would have to be at 3 if you wanted to continue your turn.

It does raise the question of negative stuff on the cards. There's already -1 Card in the form of cards like Courtyard. -1 Buy? Ouch. -1 Coin? Yes, there's a token, and debt, but no action card.

Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 15, 2017, 09:52:53 am
I was just teaching Dominion IRL to a few newbies. I've hooked a great many gamers on it.

I was explaining how some cards, such as Village and Crossroads, add two or more actions to the action pool, allowing you to play more action cards that turn. One of them asked an interesting question:

"Are there any action cards that consume more than one action from the pool?"

No, but...wow. How powerful would an action card have to be to require spending two actions on it? What would be worth crowding your terminal space that much?

Anyway, just thinking about things that are relatively simple and haven't been done yet. A card like that would say, what, -1 Action? Maybe it could be played with only 1 action available, but would consume two if relevant, meaning that your counter would have to be at 3 if you wanted to continue your turn.

It does raise the question of negative stuff on the cards. There's already -1 Card in the form of cards like Courtyard. -1 Buy? Ouch. -1 Coin? Yes, there's a token, and debt, but no action card.

I feel like this is like Forum. How about a card which doesn't cost a buy? Simple things not done yet is most likely going to feature prominently next expansion.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on May 15, 2017, 10:09:50 am
Simple things not done yet ..

Haha, yeah, this being what most creative people hope to find in any theoretical science or art.
The good ones discovered it and leave the rest of us thinking: "I should have thought of that!"
Hope Donald strikes gold again :)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Witherweaver on May 15, 2017, 10:32:13 am

Is there a named rule for the rule "There's an appropriate xkcd comic for everything"?

Well they need to make an xkcd for that first

They have.  You just have to extrapolate.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: BBL on May 15, 2017, 11:46:32 am

So, to stop beating around the bush, I think the next Dominion set will be a sequel of sorts to Dark Ages. I think we will see plenty of attack cards, maybe more Curse and Ruins type cards, as that seems the logical step after VP and then Treasure type cards. I believe the theme will be more dark and gritty then we have seen recently; Guilds was about Business, Adventures was about fun adventures (go figure) and Empires was about being great and powerful. This new set will be about conquest, warfare and other terrific stuff like that. I think we will see a Paladin, Arsenal, Seige, and more Knight-like stuff.

I think it is quite unlikely that we a see a 'classical' /recognizable Dominion expansion anytime soon. Donald mentioned a couple of times that the way to proceed after running out of simple ideas is to create a spinnoff, where you have new ideas to start from. So maybe th next Dominion-shaped thing will come with a game board or some kind of Meta-Story.

Yet, I think, the theme you described makes a lot of sense. It also fits to the three open topics where there is space left to play around with: Supply, preconditions and alternate currencies instead of Coins.

So here are my predictions:
- Victory cards will no longer simply sit in the supply, but you will need to fulfill certain tasks to 'free' them, i.e. play five actions in a row
- There will be cards that you unlock by trashing/trading certain card types to it, i.e. remove 3 Attack cards fom your deck to gain the Power Attack. Thematically this would fit the Siege theme quite nicely (losing Soldiers to gain the fortification)
- The cards you trade to this new card type might be filled up collectively, Farmer's Market Style (players consecutively add to the stock, the first player takes the price)
- The cards you trade to this new card type might be available for others to gain
- There will be an attack that requires you to fulfill a condition before you can use a certain card type again (i.e. pay 3$ to ransom Mountebank). Thematically this will be handled as kidnapping, maybe by placing a card on a new mat (Robber's den).
- There will be a card that when purchased, adds Victory Cards to the supply or goes directly to the supply as a Victory Card or multiple Victory Cards.
- There will be cards that you can purchase with Victory cards / Victory Points
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Chris is me on May 15, 2017, 11:48:30 am
Worth noting Adventures and Empires were announced this time last year. With the work on the reprints still going on, I wouldn't be surprised if the next one came out in the fall, or later.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: chipperMDW on May 15, 2017, 02:33:54 pm
-1 Coin? Yes, there's a token, and debt, but no action card.
Poor House.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: JThorne on May 15, 2017, 02:52:03 pm
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I feel like this is like Forum. How about a card which doesn't cost a buy?

I mean the other way around. A card so powerful that it also had -1 buy to nerf it. For example, Royal Blacksmith makes you discard coppers. Imagine a similar card which said +5 Cards, -1 Buy. If you played that as your only action you might have $10 coin, but...no buys! You would have to put it together with cards generating +1 Buy or you wouldn't be able to buy anything. Or if you played two Candlestick makers, then the Unicorn Blacksmith, you would have 2 buys, not 3.

At first I wondered if that would be too confusing, but basic subtraction is still pretty simple compared to the math mechanisms that already exist, such as doubling, or "half, rounded down."
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 15, 2017, 03:27:34 pm
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I feel like this is like Forum. How about a card which doesn't cost a buy?

I mean the other way around. A card so powerful that it also had -1 buy to nerf it. For example, Royal Blacksmith makes you discard coppers. Imagine a similar card which said +5 Cards, -1 Buy. If you played that as your only action you might have $10 coin, but...no buys! You would have to put it together with cards generating +1 Buy or you wouldn't be able to buy anything. Or if you played two Candlestick makers, then the Unicorn Blacksmith, you would have 2 buys, not 3.

At first I wondered if that would be too confusing, but basic subtraction is still pretty simple compared to the math mechanisms that already exist, such as doubling, or "half, rounded down."

I understood what you meant. I just mentioned Forum as a "simple-concept-not-yet-done".
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2017, 03:30:59 am
You can't put -1 buy on +5 cards. Nobody would ever buy that unless you had +buy in the kingdom, which you don't always. It could work on something like Ambassador which makes you fine with skipping the buy anyway, but then it isn't much of a nerf anymore and/or the availability of the +buy makes it a crazy broken card.

There's the same problem with -1 Action. Either it's strong enough on its own and too strong with +actions or it's too weak without +actions.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: BlackHole on May 16, 2017, 03:51:59 am
There's the same problem with -1 Action. Either it's strong enough on its own and too strong with +actions or it's too weak without +actions.
Well, we already know some ways to get around this issue. I don't really think this kind of card is ever going to happen, but you can make it like "-1 Action. If this is the first time you played a [crazy card] this turn, ..."
If then it is ok to play this card with only one action left (of cause you would need to buy two villas to have an action again - not so great rules-wise), you can make it strong, but playing further [crazy cards] may not be overpowered any more.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2017, 04:46:24 am
There's the same problem with -1 Action. Either it's strong enough on its own and too strong with +actions or it's too weak without +actions.
Well, we already know some ways to get around this issue. I don't really think this kind of card is ever going to happen, but you can make it like "-1 Action. If this is the first time you played a [crazy card] this turn, ..."
If then it is ok to play this card with only one action left (of cause you would need to buy two villas to have an action again - not so great rules-wise), you can make it strong, but playing further [crazy cards] may not be overpowered any more.

But then it isn't such a simple concept anymore, is it.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LastFootnote on May 16, 2017, 05:11:45 am
There's a very early Dominion outtake with 1 Buy. I think it was a Workshop variant.

EDIT: Yep, it was called "Workshop".

Workshop: Action, $3
+1 Action
1 Build (Buy)
Gain a card costing $3 or less.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: BlackHole on May 16, 2017, 10:07:03 am
There's the same problem with -1 Action. Either it's strong enough on its own and too strong with +actions or it's too weak without +actions.
Well, we already know some ways to get around this issue. I don't really think this kind of card is ever going to happen, but you can make it like "-1 Action. If this is the first time you played a [crazy card] this turn, ..."
If then it is ok to play this card with only one action left (of cause you would need to buy two villas to have an action again - not so great rules-wise), you can make it strong, but playing further [crazy cards] may not be overpowered any more.

But then it isn't such a simple concept anymore, is it.
Definitly not. :D Thats why I said I don't think this will appear as a real card.
I'm sure though Donald already thought about cards like these ;)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: trivialknot on May 16, 2017, 11:12:10 am
I think simplicity will come in the form of new mechanics.  For instance, the debt mechanic allowed for new ideas, where most of the complexity was hidden in the rules of debt.

I don't think -buy or -action are likely.  That space has been available for exploration since the very beginning.  So the fact that it hasn't been done yet probably means it isn't very good.

I expect some mechanics to return from previous sets, but only the kind of mechanics that don't use additional components.  So, landmarks may reappear, but not the kind that hand out vp chips.  There won't be more looters or reserve cards, but I expect more split piles.

I haven't seen anyone speculate on whether it will be a. "large" set (like dark ages and adventures).  That's what I'm hoping for, because more dominion.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LostPhoenix on May 16, 2017, 11:29:28 am
Coming from a Baker Idiot, I really want Coin Tokens to make a comeback. I feel like there are a lot more possibilities for them than just the few cards in Guilds.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: markusin on May 16, 2017, 12:25:47 pm
There's a very early Dominion outtake with 1 Buy. I think it was a Workshop variant.

EDIT: Yep, it was called "Workshop".

Workshop: Action, $3
+1 Action
1 Build (Buy)
Gain a card costing $3 or less.

I assume you were able to stack these to mitgate the -1 Build (Buy)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LastFootnote on May 16, 2017, 02:30:24 pm
There's a very early Dominion outtake with 1 Buy. I think it was a Workshop variant.

EDIT: Yep, it was called "Workshop".

Workshop: Action, $3
+1 Action
1 Build (Buy)
Gain a card costing $3 or less.

I assume you were able to stack these to mitgate the -1 Build (Buy)

I assume so too, but I'm not 100% certain.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Donald X. on May 16, 2017, 05:16:18 pm
There's a very early Dominion outtake with 1 Buy. I think it was a Workshop variant.

EDIT: Yep, it was called "Workshop".

Workshop: Action, $3
+1 Action
1 Build (Buy)
Gain a card costing $3 or less.
And that turned into Workshop.

Yes markusin, you could play multiples and just really not be able to buy anything. It's a Dominion card, that's how they work.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on May 16, 2017, 06:03:51 pm
Coming from a Baker Idiot, I really want Coin Tokens to make a comeback. I feel like there are a lot more possibilities for them than just the few cards in Guilds.

This could be cool. Guilds I think is cool and themy.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Rodel30 on June 08, 2017, 01:59:32 pm
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a large Alchemy style expansion. Maybe some action cards that give +Potions, or cards that have two costs (e.g. 1 potion and 2 coins or 5 coins). I love the Alchemy expansion, but it's such a nuisance to play with because of limited number of cards that actually use potions. Or maybe there could be an event that allowed you to use a buy to spend coin to get +1 potion.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: GendoIkari on June 08, 2017, 04:37:03 pm
I wonder if there's any "rules" left that can be broken. I mean things like:

Your first 2 turns will have either (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png) and (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) or (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) and (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) (Broken a whole bunch now, but not until Hinterlands).
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/b/bc/Coin7.png/16px-Coin7.png) (Broken in Prosperity)
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/f7/Coin1.png/16px-Coin1.png) (Broken in Dark Ages)
We will never have an Action-Treasure card (Broken in Empires)
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/4/47/Coin8.png/16px-Coin8.png) besides Provinces (Not counting Peddler because the cost is special; broken with Prince)

What other unwritten rules of card design do we have in Dominion?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on June 08, 2017, 06:14:36 pm
The only things you can buy are cards (Adventures)
Well, all the things printed on physical cards you can buy (Empires)
Durations stay out for one more turn (Adventures)
Okay, Durations EITHER stay out for one more turn or for forever (Empires)
Nothing can cost more than (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/d/df/Coin11.png/16px-Coin11.png) (Empires)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ConMan on June 08, 2017, 07:43:07 pm
Also, you use the coins (and potions) you have this turn to buy cards (broken a little with Guilds, and then massively with Empires)
Your turn goes Action-Buy-Cleanup and it's done (Empires depending on how you count Black Market)

I guess that one direction could be "alternative costs" for cards? Instead of paying $6, you can pay $5 and discard a card? $6 for one, or $8 for two copies?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cave-o-sapien on June 08, 2017, 08:02:29 pm
What other unwritten rules of card design do we have in Dominion?

A card (or card-shaped object) can't change the victory conditions (I'm thinking of something more dramatic than Colony)

An attack cannot target a specific player (I doubt this ever changes)

Treasures can't be Durations
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ConMan on June 08, 2017, 08:10:01 pm
What other unwritten rules of card design do we have in Dominion?

A card (or card-shaped object) can't change the victory conditions (I'm thinking of something more dramatic than Colony)

An attack cannot target a specific player (I doubt this ever changes)

Treasures can't be Durations
Also there are still only three game end conditions - 3 piles, Provinces, Colonies (where available).
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on June 08, 2017, 09:22:06 pm
Also there are still only three game end conditions - 3 piles, Provinces, Colonies (where available).

Landmark - Medieval Aliens

If you field $100 or more in a turn, you win.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: singletee on June 08, 2017, 11:01:21 pm
The order of discard piles don't matter.
The order of the trash doesn't matter.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Hockey Mask on June 08, 2017, 11:14:23 pm
An action card that cost $0.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Jack Rudd on June 09, 2017, 12:15:19 am
An action card that cost $0.
There are plenty of those. A kingdom card that cost $0 would be one that hasn't happened yet, though.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cave-o-sapien on June 09, 2017, 12:20:02 am
The order of discard piles don't matter.
The order of the trash doesn't matter.

Could we see a zombie card that returns from the Trash if it has X cards on top of it?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on June 09, 2017, 01:01:38 am
The order of discard piles don't matter.
The order of the trash doesn't matter.

Could we see a zombie card that returns from the Trash if it has X cards on top of it?

The trash isn't ordered like a discard or draw pile.  It's just a bunch of cards.  That's why the 2nd edition comes with a great big mat to spread it all out on.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Accatitippi on June 09, 2017, 04:40:16 am
I wonder if there's any "rules" left that can be broken. I mean things like:

Your first 2 turns will have either (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png) and (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) or (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) and (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) (Broken a whole bunch now, but not until Hinterlands).
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/b/bc/Coin7.png/16px-Coin7.png) (Broken in Prosperity)
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/f7/Coin1.png/16px-Coin1.png) (Broken in Dark Ages)
We will never have an Action-Treasure card (Broken in Empires)
No card will cost (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/4/47/Coin8.png/16px-Coin8.png) besides Provinces (Not counting Peddler because the cost is special; broken with Prince)

What other unwritten rules of card design do we have in Dominion?

Another rule that was broken multiple times is: cards come from the supply, by either buy or gain. BM sort of broke it creating a parallel supply, but then it became normal after Cornucopia, Dark Ages, and Adventures.
And another was "sifters reduce hand size".

Rules still to be broken:
you start with 7 coppers
you start with equal decks (these two are broken in my very own fan expansion, but I doubt they'll ever be broken in official Dominion)
Supply piles are made of 8+ cards
You cannot directly trade buys for any other resources, nor coins for actions, nor actions for most other resources. You can trade actions for coins with Diadem, and I think all other trades can happen: cards for coins (eg Vault), coins for cards (Storyteller), coins for buys (Travelling Fair), cards for buys and actions (Hamlet). Uh, sort of weird rule but it's there. I guess you could summarize it with "-Action/coin/Buy doesn't happen"
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: GendoIkari on June 09, 2017, 09:28:45 am
Of the mentioned stuff, I'd really like to see a change to the starting decks and a change to the  ending conditions. We have seen it in fan cards, but you could definitely have a Kingdom card that when it's in the game, one of your starting Coppers is replaced with a special Copper that interacts with that card somehow. And alternate win conditions are the best.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: tim17 on June 12, 2017, 11:14:21 pm
One more rule that was broken: you can't play actions after you enter your buy phase (villa)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on June 12, 2017, 11:29:55 pm
One more rule that was broken: you can't play actions after you enter your buy phase (villa)

You can only play cards during your turn (Caravan Guard)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ackmondual on July 13, 2017, 03:39:28 am
Dominion Legacy
After each game, mark up individual cards to reflect new text and attributes
After 15 games, cards need to be torn up :D

.

Cards that cost 2 Buys to buy
Cards that cost 2 actions to play
Cards that also cost actions (+actions, not action cards) to buy
Cards that also cost coins or +buys to play

Coming from a Baker Idiot, I really want Coin Tokens to make a comeback. I feel like there are a lot more possibilities for them than just the few cards in Guilds.
I'd like to see the "consumable tokens" being expanded in other essential attributes
Action token
Buy token
Card draw token
Trashing token
Discount token
these are similar to player tokens in Adventures, but that's the whole point, as these are the bread and butter attributes of the game.  Plus, those player tokens get moved around, as opposed to being physical things to be spent.

You can spend any of those to get 1 of that.  For example, spend an Action token to get +1 action, then spend a Trashing token to Trash 1 card.

Moat token.  Spend one when an attack is played so you the attack doesn't affect you.

.

"Pick a pile from the Supply.  All cards in that pile also have the 'Treasure' keyword!"
Thief says it's time to trash and steal some Provinces!
An action card that cost $0.
Mercenaries, even though it's not in the Supply
However, we do have Ruins.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Q on July 13, 2017, 04:45:44 am
I guess that more Reserve cards will appear, Landmarks seem unlikely but perhaps some permament Events without VP tokens, and perhaps some kind of merger card, i.e. an expensive card that plays like two cheaper cards.


Cards that cost 2 Buys to buy
Cards that cost 2 actions to play
This sounds interesting but it should be guaranteed that extra Buys respectively villages are present in the Kingdom. You could easily do that via split piles with the villages respectively + Buy cards on top. So perhaps Donald might do the concept after all as it has now become possible to implement via the help of another mechanism
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on July 13, 2017, 10:55:20 am
You can only play cards during your turn (Caravan Guard)

Will we see new cards that do this? Would it be fun to have a reaction negate its own action cost? like:

5 Cargo Ship
+3 cards
-------------
When another player plays an attack you may play this card from your hand.

(since it is not your turn you are not spending your starting action)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Q on July 13, 2017, 11:25:19 am
You can only play cards during your turn (Caravan Guard)

Will we see new cards that do this? Would it be fun to have a reaction negate its own action cost? like:

5 Cargo Ship
+3 cards
-------------
When another player plays an attack you may play this card from your hand.

(since it is not your turn you are not spending your starting action)
Interesting idea but probably too strong. Caravan Guard's reaction only converts a delayed Peddler into a Peddler whereas this converts a Smithy into a double Lab.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on July 13, 2017, 12:25:30 pm
So more generally:
terminal X   ->  nonterminal X by reaction

any fruitful ideas here? money, buys, gains?
o another one: cantrip -> village by reaction

EDIT: I now realize Diplomat brings a lot of these ideas together. But maybe there are still nice possibilities here.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cave-o-sapien on July 13, 2017, 12:40:32 pm
We don't have an Action-Reaction-Reserve card, do we?

Horse Traders is very close to this idea, except its return must be your next turn.

How much better would Guide be if it was also a Reaction that let you put it on your Tavern mat in response to an Attack?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Chappy7 on July 13, 2017, 12:56:52 pm
I hope the OP is right! I'd love to see more TfB cards (or whatever term you want to call those cards) and also more cards that give benefits when trashed.  There are so many fun interactions in Dark Ages.  I want more! Most of my favorite cards involve trashing.

Maybe cards that say "when you trash this, each other player gains a curse (or ruins)" or "When this is trashed, each other with 4 or more cards in hand discards a card"
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Chappy7 on July 13, 2017, 01:02:15 pm
Ooooo, or a card that says "Trash a card from your hand.  That card goes to your discard pile.  Gain $3"  Turns everything into a psuedo Fortress, and activates all of the fun trashing abilities.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on July 13, 2017, 01:17:30 pm
-snip-
I dunno... Most of this seems like the classic fan card stuff that comes up again and again. +Action tokens, -Action tokens, giving other piles the Treasure keyword. I seriously doubt Donald X. hasn't already considered and ditched most of these things.

On the topic of predictions I don't see coming true:
-Repeating old component-dependent mechanics (reserves, tokens, ruins, potion)
-Alchemy II, although this is pretty much a no brainier.
-Weird supply cards like Black Market, or Co0kiel0rd's Secret Society. Confusing. Maybe as another promo though.
-Generic messy rules stuff, like giving other types to cards.
-Team rules/cards.
-A new type of Landscape card.
-Another currency.

There are some things that I've seen in fan cards that could come true:
-Putting cards on other supply piles (like Kru5h's Rabbits). Spilt piles adds some precedent here, but tricky to work out.
-More funky card combos and dual cards.
-Cards with piles outside the supply, like Murchinary.
-Funky card costs, like 0, 1, 8+.
-Cost Increasing. This might go under the category of funky rules stuff, but it was playtested in adventures before so the scrapped card could live on...
-We now there used to be a different bonus on Wedding that Donald saved. Probably would return, though no clue as to what it would entail.

So far the most recent expansions have been sequels to old expansions, Adventures = Seaside, Empires = Prosperity. If that holds true, Hinterlands, Cornucopia, or Dark Ages would be next up (skipping Alchemy and the updated Base and Intrigue). There's definite room for new things coming from the "when buy" triggers of hinterlands. Villa shows this. Cornucopia was a small expansion and much loved, so new variety cards could come. Who knows? Another card that uses Prizes complete with a new set?  Dark Ages also has some room for new stuff. I doubt Ruins would ever make a comeback, but on-trash effects can come as well as other trash-related mechanics. Who knows even, maybe another set of knights!
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: spiralstaircase on July 14, 2017, 09:53:12 am
Things we haven't seen so far:
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on July 14, 2017, 10:03:16 am
Cards that give you a "moral victory"
Ignoring Possession can be a moral victory.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: GendoIkari on July 14, 2017, 02:08:18 pm
Things we haven't seen so far:
  • Cards that affect the next game
  • Cards that care which expansion a card is from
  • Cards with fractional coin cost
  • Diagonal cards
  • Cards printed on other materials, e.g. cloth
  • Cards that let you react with emoji
  • Cards that affect the previous game
  • Cards that give you a "moral victory"

Dominion: Unglued
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on July 14, 2017, 02:10:40 pm
Things we haven't seen so far:
  • Cards that affect the next game
  • Cards that care which expansion a card is from
  • Cards with fractional coin cost
  • Diagonal cards
  • Cards printed on other materials, e.g. cloth
  • Cards that let you react with emoji
  • Cards that affect the previous game
  • Cards that give you a "moral victory"

Dominion: Unglued

Glue
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) - Reaction

When you pick this card up, you can't put it down again.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: MatthewCA on July 14, 2017, 03:28:55 pm
Things we haven't seen so far:
  • Cards that affect the next game
  • Cards that care which expansion a card is from
  • Cards with fractional coin cost
  • Diagonal cards
  • Cards printed on other materials, e.g. cloth
  • Cards that let you react with emoji
  • Cards that affect the previous game
  • Cards that give you a "moral victory"

Dominion: Unglued

Glue
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) - Reaction

When you pick this card up, you can't put it down again.

I was really looking for synergy with Horse Traders from a card called Glue.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on July 15, 2017, 09:52:36 am
Things we haven't seen so far:
  • Cards that affect the next game
  • Cards that care which expansion a card is from
  • Cards with fractional coin cost
  • Diagonal cards
  • Cards printed on other materials, e.g. cloth
  • Cards that let you react with emoji
  • Cards that affect the previous game
  • Cards that give you a "moral victory"

Dominion: Unglued

Glue
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) - Reaction

When you pick this card up, you can't put it down again.

I was really looking for synergy with Horse Traders from a card called Glue.

They do synergize: You can discard Glue with Horse Traders.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cave-o-sapien on July 17, 2017, 03:11:27 pm
Cards that affect the previous game

Revisionist
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/e/ed/Coin16.png/16px-Coin16.png) - Action
If you won the previous game, you lose it instead and win this game.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Chappy7 on July 19, 2017, 10:14:58 am
Archers

Each Player throws a card as far as they can.  Whoever's card went the farthest is unaffected.  The other players gain a curse.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: spiralstaircase on July 20, 2017, 08:42:32 am
Archers

Each Player throws a card as far as they can.  Whoever's card went the farthest is unaffected.  The other players gain a curse.

That should read "The other players must sing 'dum, de-dum, de-dum, de-dum, dum de-diddly di do' or gain a curse".
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Orange on August 03, 2017, 02:23:48 pm
Archers

Each Player throws a card as far as they can.  Whoever's card went the farthest is unaffected.  The other players gain a curse.

Dominion:  Catapult
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: spiralstaircase on August 06, 2017, 11:01:22 am
Quick Nocturne speculation:  "Cleanup" will be renamed "Qleanup" to preserve the alphabetical ordering of phases when Night cards are used.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Awaclus on August 06, 2017, 11:15:16 am
Archers

Each Player throws a card as far as they can.  Whoever's card went the farthest is unaffected.  The other players gain a curse.

Dominion:  Catapult

We already have that.

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?title=Special%3AFilePath&file=Catapult.jpg)
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: J Reggie on August 10, 2017, 08:49:46 pm
So now that we've seen sequel-shaped things for Seaside, Prosperity, and presumably Dark Ages, what do people think we'll see next? Base set and Intrigue are too simple, plus they just got new cards. Alchemy will likely never see a sequel based on its reception and just the potion mechanic in general. A Hinterlands sequel I don't see happening, just based on how invisible the theme would be. We've seen when-gain stuff in every expansion except Guilds since Hinterlands.

So that leaves three options: Cornucopia, Guilds, or something altogether new. I guess there could be like a second Seaside sequel but I don't think so, not yet anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of Cornucopia/Guilds mash-up. They're already together in many people's minds based on being sold together, and they kind of go together. There's definitely more to do with coin tokens, but not really a while expansion's worth. I also don't think we'll ever see another small expansion, since all three small expansions ended up being parts of larger products. What do you guys think, assuming there is another expansion yet.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: werothegreat on August 10, 2017, 09:26:10 pm
We've seen when-gain stuff in every expansion except Guilds since Hinterlands.

What's overpay, chopped liver?
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 10, 2017, 09:26:54 pm
Something spanning most concepts for a special 10th anniversary expansion
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: J Reggie on August 10, 2017, 09:48:55 pm
We've seen when-gain stuff in every expansion except Guilds since Hinterlands.

What's overpay, chopped liver?

Yeah, I guess overpay is a variation of when-gain.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: crj on August 10, 2017, 11:44:51 pm
I, too, find the idea of -1 Action intriguing.

But then I realised: if you squint, the Journey token is a fixed and streamlined version of it.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on August 12, 2017, 09:17:44 pm
Wow, just got back from vacation and look what happened! I called this new set, well kinda at least.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on August 15, 2017, 01:07:14 pm
Predictions on card names:

Countess
Wolfsbane
Huntsmen
Werewolf
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Chappy7 on August 15, 2017, 02:01:36 pm
Predictions on card names:

Murderer
Village Council
Shun or Exile
Rebels
Blessing

Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on August 15, 2017, 03:04:40 pm
Out of my fan card thread, I'm predicting I'll need to change 15-20 names because they are used in Nocturne.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LastFootnote on August 15, 2017, 03:28:24 pm
Out of my fan card thread, I'm predicting I'll need to change 15-20 names because they are used in Nocturne.

Well at minimum you'll probably want to change "Heirloom".
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cuzz on August 15, 2017, 04:03:08 pm
Dominion: Nocturne
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ackmondual on September 11, 2017, 03:54:07 am
It will be a normal size expansion.

It will contain cards.

At least one of the cards will have the word "Action" on it.

Most of the cards will have "Dominion" on the reverse.

Not if the a future Dominion expansion uses dice!
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: McGarnacle on September 11, 2017, 03:16:56 pm
It will be a normal size expansion.

It will contain cards.

At least one of the cards will have the word "Action" on it.

Most of the cards will have "Dominion" on the reverse.

Not if the a future Dominion expansion uses dice!

It will likewise contain meeples, a spinner and monopoly money.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cave-o-sapien on September 11, 2017, 05:18:45 pm
It will be a normal size expansion.

It will contain cards.

At least one of the cards will have the word "Action" on it.

Most of the cards will have "Dominion" on the reverse.

Not if the a future Dominion expansion uses dice!

It will likewise contain meeples, a spinner and monopoly money.

I was hoping for a rondel and tokens representing different goods, ranging from raw materials to finished products.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ConMan on September 13, 2017, 08:34:51 pm
It will be a normal size expansion.

It will contain cards.

At least one of the cards will have the word "Action" on it.

Most of the cards will have "Dominion" on the reverse.

Not if the a future Dominion expansion uses dice!

It will likewise contain meeples, a spinner and monopoly money.

I was hoping for a rondel and tokens representing different goods, ranging from raw materials to finished products.
I'm thinking a metric ton of miniatures, some kind of zombie kitten Cthulhu, a collaboration with a webcomic artist and a multi-million-dollar Kickstarter campaign.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Commodore Chuckles on September 15, 2017, 09:33:00 am
Prediction: There will be at least one "ghost" or "haunted" card that forces each other player to top deck cards from their hand.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ajon on September 17, 2017, 10:07:18 pm
I'm rather new here and pretty late to the conversation I think, but commenting on the -1 action/buy idea, I think it can work with another thing I considered might be neat if it was ever implemented. The basic idea would be transformation of resources.

So if a card had -1 action, -1 coin to start, it could then allow transformation of actions/buys/coins into the others. Maybe it would need to let you play money like black market.
So you have 6 actions at the end of a turn and 16 coins, but only one buy? Maybe x number of actions can turn into one buy, and into whatever the - cost of the coin was to buy double province.

This could essentially make kingdoms with no engine into an engine using big money and converting the excess money into actions/buys. Would this actually beat big money? Who knows.


A second idea would be similar to overpaying but be "overplaying" So if you use two actions, a card does something extra? Or a card may be returned to hand which also costs 1action. So if you have 3 actions, you can play it twice. Once to play, once to return it, another to play it again.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Commodore Chuckles on September 17, 2017, 11:29:44 pm
I'm rather new here and pretty late to the conversation I think, but commenting on the -1 action/buy idea, I think it can work with another thing I considered might be neat if it was ever implemented. The basic idea would be transformation of resources.

So if a card had -1 action, -1 coin to start, it could then allow transformation of actions/buys/coins into the others. Maybe it would need to let you play money like black market.
So you have 6 actions at the end of a turn and 16 coins, but only one buy? Maybe x number of actions can turn into one buy, and into whatever the - cost of the coin was to buy double province.

This could essentially make kingdoms with no engine into an engine using big money and converting the excess money into actions/buys. Would this actually beat big money? Who knows.


A second idea would be similar to overpaying but be "overplaying" So if you use two actions, a card does something extra? Or a card may be returned to hand which also costs 1action. So if you have 3 actions, you can play it twice. Once to play, once to return it, another to play it again.

Well, there are already lots of cards that transform one particular resource into another particular resource. Hamlet turns Card into Action and Buy, Storeroom turns Card into Card and Coin. For a long time there were suggestions about turning Coin into Card, and then we finally got Storyteller. I think someone somewhere else made a list of the possible transformations and which ones had and hadn't been used. I think the remaining transformations haven't been used because they'd be useless on a lot of boards. Action to Something Else transformations would be useless on boards where there's no way to get surplus actions, and even if there is, often you'll buy just enough +actions to play all your terminals and no more. Diadem turns Action into Coin, but it was probably made into a Tournament Prize because of how niche it is. Buy to Something Else transformations would be even more niche, probably.

Actually, I don't think we've seen Coin to Action or Coin to Buy transformations. Those could potentially be useful.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: crj on September 17, 2017, 11:36:34 pm
Travelling Fair turns coin into buys.
Villa turns coin into actions.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Commodore Chuckles on September 18, 2017, 09:18:49 am
Travelling Fair turns coin into buys.
Villa turns coin into actions.

Ah, yes, good point. It didn't occur to me to consider the Buy phase as well. So it looks like the only ones that haven't been used are the Action to Something and Buy to Something ones, which, as I already said, would be rather niche. Though admittedly, it would occasionally be useful to turn all those extra Buys you got from your Grand Markets into something else.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Awaclus on September 18, 2017, 09:36:11 am
Action to Something Else transformations

All terminals are practically that.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: LastFootnote on September 18, 2017, 10:55:57 am
Action to Something Else transformations

All terminals are practically that.

And almost all cards and events transform your buy into something (the exceptions being events that give +1 Buy, Forum, and arguably Villa).
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ConMan on September 18, 2017, 07:23:35 pm
Action to Something Else transformations

All terminals are practically that.

And almost all cards and events transform your buy into something (the exceptions being events that give +1 Buy, Forum, and arguably Villa).
Expedition turns Coins and a Buy into Cards, too.
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Cuzz on September 29, 2018, 08:20:56 am
Dominion: Renaissance
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: Commodore Chuckles on September 29, 2018, 09:21:22 am
Dominion: Renaissance

No, now this thread is about what will come after that. I haven't seen all the Renaissance cards yet and I'm already bored of them!
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: spiralstaircase on September 30, 2018, 03:20:14 pm
Multi-level projects
Artifacts that give you States
+Buy tokens, called Woodcutters
+Card tokens, called Smiths
Unpleasant purple landscape cards where you have to pay to turn them off
Blue landscape cards that do a thing when you do a thing (but you don't buy them)

Before anyone else suggests it:

Morrissey
Cost: $6
Types: Action
+4 Smiths
Title: Re: What will the next Dominion expansion be???
Post by: ObtusePunubiris on September 30, 2018, 04:19:37 pm
I don't think you're taking these ideas far enough.  I would suggest:

Artifacts that flip your Journey token and when it's face up you get your choice of a Coffer, Villager, Woodcutter or Smith as well as a Traveler that can subsequently be exchanged for the next Boon, and when it's face down you get the next Hex, which may or may not give you a State and, if it doesn't, will give you a Ruin.

Man, I am totally inspired to make some fan cards now.