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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: AndrewisFTTW on April 02, 2017, 08:54:21 pm
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Welcome to Newbie Mafia 10: Return of the Super Awesome Flavor Names (!!!) Mafia! (!)
Mod: AndrewisFTTW
Player List:
1. kkrieg
2. LaLight
3. Awaclus
4. SpaceAnemone
5. The Wine Merchant
6. IDontPlayThisGame
7. JaketheBaseballGod22
8. schadd
9. Roadrunner7671
Spectators tagged: gkrieg13, Dylan32, Joseph2302, ashersky
D1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686630#msg686630) | D1 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688366#msg688366)
D2 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688602#msg688602) | D2 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg689060#msg689060)
D3 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg689470#msg689470) | D3 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg689676#msg689676)
D4 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg690011#msg690011) | D4 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg690734#msg690734)
D5 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg690971#msg690971)
The Rules:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: Unvote or Unvote: Playername. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may Vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.
7. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or night kill, town wins.
The Rest:
1. Bold, green text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
7. Prods will be issued by request after 24 hours of inactivity. Players are subject to replacement or modkill upon the third prod request.
8. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
Flavor:
Everyone will have a super awesome (!!!) flavor name! Flavor is not indicative of alignment.
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Game Setup:
This game will use the Matrix6 setup. Matrix6 is a standard, open setup for 9 players (7 town, 2 mafia).
The matrix refers to:
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|Town Jailkeeper |Vanilla Townie|Mafia Goon |
|Mafia Roleblocker |Town Cop |Town Doctor |
|1-Shot Bulletproof Townie|Mafia Goon |Town Tracker|
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A random row or column of the above matrix is selected and five Vanilla Townies and one Mafia Goon are added to the three roles listed.
There are six possible variations:
6 Vanilla Townies, 1 Town Jailkeeper, 2 Mafia Goons
5 Vanilla Townies, 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
5 Vanilla Townies, 1 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie, 1 Town Tracker, 2 Mafia Goons
5 Vanilla Townies, 1 1-Shot Bulletproof Townie, 1 Town Jailkeeper, 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
6 Vanilla Townies, 1 Town Cop, 2 Mafia Goons
5 Vanilla Townies, 1 Town Doctor, 1 Town Tracker, 2 Mafia Goons
A few notes on the setup:
-The Mafia Roleblocker is able to both kill and roleblock on the same night.
-The Mafia Roleblocker's action resolves before the Town Jailkeeper's action.
-The 1-shot Bulletproof Townie's bulletproof ability is a reflexive ability, and thus cannot be roleblocked.
-Roles may not self-target.
-This game has a day start.
-The mafia may talk to each other via Quicktopic each night, including Night 0.
-Dead mafia may not post in their Quicktopic.
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/obvs tag
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Interested depending on when it starts. If I qualify to play of course.
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Interested depending on when it starts. If I qualify to play of course.
Hoping for 6 new players and 3 vets. Probably wont get that many though.
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/in
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Interested depending on when it starts. If I qualify to play of course.
Hoping for 6 new players and 3 vets. Probably wont get that many though.
I think that many is unlikely. Probably 3 newbies is a better goal
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/tag
just to ruin this for everyone, current mafiascum meta is to claim 1-shot bulletproof immediately
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(so that in the jk/bp/rb setup, jk knows whether its block is accurate & in the tracker/doc setup, tracker can do follow-the-cop since they know it's not the bp setup)
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(so that in the jk/bp/rb setup, jk knows whether its block is accurate & in the tracker/doc setup, tracker can do follow-the-cop since they know it's not the bp setup)
Oh ya we talked about this.
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~~~the secret is out~~~
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/in
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/tag, might join later. Need to see how the next couple weeks will be. If they are anything like this weekend and next couple days, I will be limited to just watching.
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/in
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/tag for now
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Shall I /in for now? Happy to watch if there are actual newbies wanting to play :-)
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Shall I /in for now? Happy to watch if there are actual newbies wanting to play :-)
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Shall I /in for now? Happy to watch if there are actual newbies wanting to play :-)
Is this an /in?
Also, hey faust!
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I'll now /in if slots are available.
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i remember idptg wanted in to the next newbie
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(so that in the jk/bp/rb setup, jk knows whether its block is accurate & in the tracker/doc setup, tracker can do follow-the-cop since they know it's not the bp setup)
Is this something we want to address? It might be better to run a different setup?
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the folks on mafiascum are content with the setup as is (still seems balanced even with the new strat being around for a little while) and it's still the standard for newbie games
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the folks on mafiascum are content with the setup as is (still seems balanced even with the new strat being around for a little while) and it's still the standard for newbie games
Oh never mind then. I like it because most of our newbie games have been won by scum anyway.
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maybe we should make a new standard...
a semi-open setup, ideally, and similar to matrix6, but maybe a little bit more town-favored and with more interesting investigative roles... and maybe 7 setups instead of 6...
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Shall I /in for now? Happy to watch if there are actual newbies wanting to play :-)
Is this an /in?
Also, hey faust!
Hey :) Yes, provided there's not a lot of newbies willng to play.
We should be in a game together some time.
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/in
I still count as a newbie, right?
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I really have no idea if I am doing this right, but couldn't you just switch some things around to go like this?
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|Town Doctor |Vanilla Townie|Mafia Goon |
|Mafia Roleblocker |Town Cop |Town 1-shot Bulletproof Townie |
|Town Jailkeeper|Mafia Goon|Town Tracker|
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So that it separates the Doctor/Tracker combination and the Bulletproof Townie and Jailkeeper combination?
I guess the problem with that it that the top row is really weak for town, as JK is a better role than Doctor, and the bottom row is probably too good for town.
But maybe some other sort of switchero would work?
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due to a lack of open games i'll /in
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I really have no idea if I am doing this right, but couldn't you just switch some things around to go like this?
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|Town Doctor |Vanilla Townie|Mafia Goon |
|Mafia Roleblocker |Town Cop |Town 1-shot Bulletproof Townie |
|Town Jailkeeper|Mafia Goon|Town Tracker|
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So that it separates the Doctor/Tracker combination and the Bulletproof Townie and Jailkeeper combination?
I guess the problem with that it that the top row is really weak for town, as JK is a better role than Doctor, and the bottom row is probably too good for town.
But maybe some other sort of switchero would work?
This is possible, but it skews balance. For example, the setup Doc/VT/Goon is pretty bad for town. On the other hand, JK/Tracker/Goon is massively town-sided.
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Oh, you said that already. Well nevermind.
I don't think there's an easy solution. The balance is quite hard to preserve, and you can probably only keep balance by creating a completely new setup.
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eh, /in
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would happily forfeit the slot for someone with less than 9 completed gaaaaames
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Eh, /out.
I prefer RMM42, and I don't want to be in 3 games.
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Eh, /out.
I prefer RMM42, and I don't want to be in 3 games.
You sure 14-player RMM will start any time soon?
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Eh, /out.
I prefer RMM42, and I don't want to be in 3 games.
You sure 14-player RMM will start any time soon?
I'm not taking the chance.
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/hammer unless someone newer wants to play.
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Alrighty. If you're tagged but not listed as a spectator and you want the speccy, now is the time to let me know.
Thread Locked except for tags!
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PMs have all been sent out. Depending on when everyone confirms this will start tonight or tomorrow morning.
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Everyone has confirmed. I'll be starting the game soon. Until then, LOCKED!
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The history of f.ds newbie mafia games is a long and storied one. It is a story of newbies. It is a story of... mafia. Yes, indeed. But through the years the game have always felt a little off. In his 21st century classic "Newbie Mafia: A History", Teproc speaks of "incredible lynches, unforgettable L-1 announcements, some of the most obscene and cringeworthy RVS stages in modern history," and the debuts of some of "the most legendary f.ds mafia figures, like Teproc, Teproc, and Teproc."
But the golden days of f.ds newbie mafia were not without their flaws. While Teproc assures us "there was plenty of MVP caliber play, mostly from myself," flavor, or lack thereof, "turned a lot of people off. But so did my ridiculously awesome play, so whatever. Screw 'em." Oh the mods did their best to make games interesting, but they never quite succeeded. Most games were a Dominion theme of some sort, "and I completely dominated", says Teproc. "No seriously, go look! I'm a friggin BEAST! Quickhammering at NIGHT? Who else could pull that off? Who else could get away with it? Nobody. Nobody but me, that's who. WUT!"
But the games lacked variety. Players grew weary with the Dominion theme, and they became bitter of Teproc's superior play, what with him quickhammering even if there wasn't a wagon. "I gained the nickname 'The Chuck Norris of Newbie Mafia'," recalls Teproc, "I would shoot the whole mafia team as a SURVIVOR! I would bypass wagons and just lynch people BY MYSELF when I felt like it! When I was town on a wagon, we ALWAYS lynched scum, even if they were town! And if I was scum, I would NK my partners and win the game by MYSELF!"
A true legend indeed. And with that, I present to you the glorious return of super awesome flavor names. Enjoy!
Day 1 starts now!
Vote Count 1.0
Not Voting (9): kkrieg, LaLight, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, JaketheBaseballGod22, schadd, Roadrunner7671
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Heya!
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heeeeey yaa-aaaaa vote: dylan32 sorry
questions for kkrieg:
1. don't tell us specifically what role you are (this isn't a question)
2. are you good guys or bad guys?
3. how much has gkrieg filled you in? i would assume you have a basic understanding of how mafia works but has he told you about e.g. me and how i am really good at reading him and stuff?
4. are you actually the secret weapon behind gkrieg's successes?
5. how similar are your speech patterns to gkrieg's? if you are town could you please talk like he does when he's town and if you are mafia could you please talk like he does when he's mafia?
6. are you excited? (hint: yes)
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also do we wanna do the bp thing or do we not care? it doesn't change winrate that much i think but it ismoderately weird and abnormal for our newbie that we have
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also do we wanna do the bp thing or do we not care? it doesn't change winrate that much i think but it ismoderately weird and abnormal for our newbie that we have
I am pretty meh about it.
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what an exciting opinion. are you scum again? stop with that tbh
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what an exciting opinion. are you scum again? stop with that tbh
Boring questions get boring answers. You want an exciting answer? Ask an exciting question!
And, no. Thank God I am not a rude guy again. I needed a break from that gig.
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aw pud. maybe you are town
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aw pud. maybe you are town
Totes.
Two questions: what is with the house? And lockjaw?
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house was prescribed to my by space in m87. lockjaw is a word that makes it easy to ctrl-f me (kj is in like a other word, lalight said "quickjumping" one time.
incidentally, if you flipped town here that would be especially helpful for me in a meta sense (already)
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I am 1-shot bulletproof.
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I am 1-shot bulletproof.
neat. pagetop
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
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ahm.
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The chances of you being a PR is slim since you didn't call me out, so you're more likely to be scum.
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what is the range of actions described by "calling you out"
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what is the range of actions described by "calling you out"
'Ahoy there! How could you have done this?'
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i mean scumhunting via PRs is probably not the way to go tbh. uh having said that you are probably just bp
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house was prescribed to my by space in m87. lockjaw is a word that makes it easy to ctrl-f me (kj is in like a other word, lalight said "quickjumping" one time.
Cool. It is a good house. And I have used your lockjaw before, but mostly just go ": sch"
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that finds votes for me. but yeah for most people i take from shuffloname (yours is easy, i think "tw" and "wm" are both rather uncommon.)
you aren't and alt, are you? of yuma or someone?
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*an alt
i feel a little bad about threadcrapping before kkrieg touches base, she's been online
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9. Cryptography is not allowed.
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re: alts? don't think that counts
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Jumping in on the fun before it's too late.
vote: LaLight because this time he's not a mod.
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heeeeey yaa-aaaaa vote: dylan32 sorry
questions for kkrieg:
1. don't tell us specifically what role you are (this isn't a question)
2. are you good guys or bad guys?
3. how much has gkrieg filled you in? i would assume you have a basic understanding of how mafia works but has he told you about e.g. me and how i am really good at reading him and stuff?
4. are you actually the secret weapon behind gkrieg's successes?
5. how similar are your speech patterns to gkrieg's? if you are town could you please talk like he does when he's town and if you are mafia could you please talk like he does when he's mafia?
6. are you excited? (hint: yes)
Hey friends!
1. wasn't planning on it!
2. always the good guy
3. yes I do understand mafia basics. gkrieg has not told me anything about anyone so I'm in the dark as far as people's tells/habits/etc.
4. of course I am - that question shouldn't need to be asked
5. we're practically the same person so it's inevitable
6. very!
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uh oh, I am finally not modding the game with TWM, but playing it. Scary
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that finds votes for me. but yeah for most people i take from shuffloname (yours is easy, i think "tw" and "wm" are both rather uncommon.)
you aren't and alt, are you? of yuma or someone?
tw and wm doesn't work beacuse of vote: twm
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I don't know whatto think about RR's claim. That guy might as well joke that way.
schadd looks scummy, hey schadd
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you scum? Just admit it and we will go on
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Vote: RR
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Morning all! :-)
Vote: Awaclus
Wagons!
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2. are you good guys or bad guys?
It's like you're already expecting kkrieg to be multiple people :-P
(Hi kkrieg and gkrieg!)
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house was prescribed to my by space in m87.
It's a shed! For a schadd! Somehow a wacky shed made of money just seemed more appropriate than the other generic sheds offered up by the image search.
It was driving me nuts that up till then, schadd and Calamitas looked identical to me in that neither had an avatar, since I recognise people mostly by the colours there. I'm sad that Calamitas didn't like the clam I found for him :-(
Very glad to see that kkrieg has adopted her own picture already :-)
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
So RR, you're claiming because schadd's explanation of mafiascum stuff said that current meta is to claim BP straight away, and because he didn't specify that it (presumably?) only happens when people are actually BP? :-P
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3. how much has gkrieg filled you in? i would assume you have a basic understanding of how mafia works but has he told you about e.g. me and how i am really good at reading him and stuff?
3. yes I do understand mafia basics. gkrieg has not told me anything about anyone so I'm in the dark as far as people's tells/habits/etc.
Did he mention things like RVS, WIFOM and bussing to you?
Would you say you're a player who likes working with analysis and probabilities (this is me), or someone who makes gut reads and runs with it (this is more like schadd, I think!)?
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
So RR, you're claiming because schadd's explanation of mafiascum stuff said that current meta is to claim BP straight away, and because he didn't specify that it (presumably?) only happens when people are actually BP? :-P
vote: RR
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that finds votes for me. but yeah for most people i take from shuffloname (yours is easy, i think "tw" and "wm" are both rather uncommon.)
you aren't and alt, are you? of yuma or someone?
I typically search for myself by searching for "The_"
And nope, I am just me.
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Not loving the RR votes.
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Not loving the RR votes.
I am not loving RR joke that was really confusing for me
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/tag
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Not loving the RR votes.
I am not loving RR joke that was really confusing for me
The problem with that joke is that it was really confusing and thank god no newb-prs said "You can't be 1-shot BP because I am a doctor". IMO that was the point of the joke for RR
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i have a moderately strong read on both lalight and awaclus now and a lightly strong read on idptg
Did he mention things like RVS, WIFOM and bussing to you?
this page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0) is helpful
someone who makes gut reads and runs with it (this is more like schadd, I think!)?
mrrr. kinda
Not loving the RR votes.
i am fine with them. they are always cool to have around
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Vote Count 1.1
schadd (1): RoadRunner7671
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
RoadRunner7671 (2): Awaclus, LaLight
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (4): kkrieg, The_Wine_Merchant, schadd, JaketheBaseballGod22,
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Vote: RR
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Thank you Schadd - most of the acronyms were lost on me!
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Not loving the RR votes.
I am not loving RR joke that was really confusing for me
Where was the joke. I just saw him claim.
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Not loving the RR votes.
I am not loving RR joke that was really confusing for me
The problem with that joke is that it was really confusing and thank god no newb-prs said "You can't be 1-shot BP because I am a doctor". IMO that was the point of the joke for RR
That's why I corrected myself pretty soon afterwards by talking about Schadd and voting for him. But yes, I do realize a newbie game isn't a good place to do that.
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
So RR, you're claiming because schadd's explanation of mafiascum stuff said that current meta is to claim BP straight away, and because he didn't specify that it (presumably?) only happens when people are actually BP? :-P
Space got the joke!
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Not loving the RR votes.
I am not loving RR joke that was really confusing for me
Where was the joke. I just saw him claim.
It was not a claim. It was a joke:
1) schadd says current meta is to claim 1-shot BP out of the gates
2) RR claims BP whether or not he is actually a BP because schadd says it's current meta just to claim it.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
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and that isn't a joke. Jokes are funny.
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and that isn't a joke. Jokes are funny.
It was pretty funny.
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
So RR, you're claiming because schadd's explanation of mafiascum stuff said that current meta is to claim BP straight away, and because he didn't specify that it (presumably?) only happens when people are actually BP? :-P
Space got the joke!
Yeah, but I thought that around here, jokes aren't so funny unless you over-explain them, right? I never saw that rule written down as such, but it seems to be what people do.
PPE 3
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Meta demands that I claim that immediately, whether I am 1-shot BP or not.
Vote: schadd
So RR, you're claiming because schadd's explanation of mafiascum stuff said that current meta is to claim BP straight away, and because he didn't specify that it (presumably?) only happens when people are actually BP? :-P
Space got the joke!
Yeah, but I thought that around here, jokes aren't so funny unless you over-explain them, right? I never saw that rule written down as such, but it seems to be what people do.
PPE 3
Nah, around here jokes are super scummy.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
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and that isn't a joke. Jokes are funny.
It was pretty funny.
I think it had the potential to be funny. But the punch line arrived before the setup. So, sure, I guess RR is funny for failing at joke telling.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke) and I am treating him as a claimed BP until I hear otherwise from him.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
I actually agree, and I'm slightly suspicious of TWM. I might even elaborate on that.
PPE 2
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke) and I am treating him as a claimed BP until I hear otherwise from him.
I guess that means you won't attack me at night ;)
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Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke)
That doesn't make any sense.
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I, personally, think TWM's reaction is the funniest part to my 'joke.'
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke) and I am treating him as a claimed BP until I hear otherwise from him.
I am sorry, but don't you see why is that a bad idea?
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let me elaborate on this.
1) RR is, in fact, 1-shot BP. Then we don't want to know if he is one because it says to scum who not to shoot.
2) RR is not, in fact, 1-shot BP. Then we don't want to know this, because it gives scum the opportunity to PoE.
He joked. We shouldn't treat him as 1-shot BP, or non 1-shot BP and especially, we don't want him to claim ot anticlaim. we want him to remain silent about his role.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Yes, exactly! Ideally we want a way to give RR the chance to nullify his maybe-claim entirely so that we don't out our PRs.
BTW, how many players do we have here who identify as newbies? They'd seem to be the group most likely to be put out by weird claiming and wifom stuff.
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Generally I think I see what you are saying. But in this specific case, claiming or not claiming 1-shot BP isn't horrible.
quote author=schadd link=topic=17134.msg686220#msg686220 date=1491184928]
just to ruin this for everyone, current mafiascum meta is to claim 1-shot bulletproof immediately
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I would have been fine not going down that road, but RR started us down it. And I think we should keep going. It isn't going to hurt the game for us and it might even help.
We can't erase how RR did or how people responded, what we can do is continue to move in that direction to town's best benefit.
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Sorry, quote fail:
just to ruin this for everyone, current mafiascum meta is to claim 1-shot bulletproof immediately
and this one:
(so that in the jk/bp/rb setup, jk knows whether its block is accurate & in the tracker/doc setup, tracker can do follow-the-cop since they know it's not the bp setup)
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke) and I am treating him as a claimed BP until I hear otherwise from him.
By this you also softclaimed that you are not all the roles that can't exist in the same setup as 1-shot BP which is mildly antitown also IMO.
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and suddenly everyone is unreadable again
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@schadd,
what happens on mafiascum if no one claims 1-shot BP when everyone decided that would be the best way to go? Doesn't it hut town? I can't figure out how bad this is.
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Well I took it as a claim. RR, does this mean you retract your claim?
this is a bad question. We don't want him to claim either BP or non-BP
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke) and I am treating him as a claimed BP until I hear otherwise from him.
By this you also softclaimed that you are not all the roles that can't exist in the same setup as 1-shot BP which is mildly antitown also IMO.
Well that wasnt' my intent, but this is exactly what I mean. RR joked. Some people took it literally (me and others?) and have responded as such. There is already information out there. So let's take it all the way and actual use it to its full benefit of town as has already been determined by previous games.
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or I am just completely wrong. If others disagree, I won't keep pushing the point.
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@schadd,
what happens on mafiascum if no one claims 1-shot BP when everyone decided that would be the best way to go? Doesn't it hut town? I can't figure out how bad this is.
then suddenly everyone know it's not row 3 or column 1 and we rejoice or something
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
Is this what is called a town slip?
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l0l
here (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8857811#p8857811) is the guy that (kind of) came up with it. that game was a flawless town win, though not really because of the new strat
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
Is this what is called a town slip?
hhahahahha, there's only 2 scum.
But no.
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
i agree that you have gotten away with calling me scum d1 a lot of times
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TWM and LaLight are both on my scummy radar.
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
i agree that you have gotten away with calling me scum d1 a lot of times
well two of times i guess
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gosh, i am too accustomed to 12-player (or such) games so i always try to find 3 scums. need to reevaluate
@RR, you may believe me or not i was sincere there. Also, your scummy radar is a little bit of omgus, don't you think? :)
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
i agree that you have gotten away with calling me scum d1 a lot of times
well two of times i guess
was I right? th only i can remember is M87, but i don't emember if i scumread you D1
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gosh, i am too accustomed to 12-player (or such) games so i always try to find 3 scums. need to reevaluate
@RR, you may believe me or not i was sincere there. Also, your scummy radar is a little bit of omgus, don't you think? :)
I actually do think that was sincere since I forgot too, but I can't let anyone know that.
And you don't think I'm scummy, and TWM thinks I'm a 1-shot BP, so not scum.
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gosh, i am too accustomed to 12-player (or such) games so i always try to find 3 scums. need to reevaluate
@RR, you may believe me or not i was sincere there. Also, your scummy radar is a little bit of omgus, don't you think? :)
I actually do think that was sincere since I forgot too, but I can't let anyone know that.
And you don't think I'm scummy, and TWM thinks I'm a 1-shot BP, so not scum.
nice try!
But no.
Well, I vote you and think you're antitown. The only thing to think is if you're antitown on purpose (thus being scum) or you're just antitown.
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gosh, i am too accustomed to 12-player (or such) games so i always try to find 3 scums. need to reevaluate
@RR, you may believe me or not i was sincere there. Also, your scummy radar is a little bit of omgus, don't you think? :)
I actually do think that was sincere since I forgot too, but I can't let anyone know that.
And you don't think I'm scummy, and TWM thinks I'm a 1-shot BP, so not scum.
nice try!
But no.
Well, I vote you and think you're antitown. The only thing to think is if you're antitown on purpose (thus being scum) or you're just antitown.
You voted for me? :(
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
i agree that you have gotten away with calling me scum d1 a lot of times
well two of times i guess
was I right? th only i can remember is M87, but i don't emember if i scumread you D1
m87 you initially did but then didn't. m92 you did and were wrong, m94 you did and were scum
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gosh, i am too accustomed to 12-player (or such) games so i always try to find 3 scums. need to reevaluate
@RR, you may believe me or not i was sincere there. Also, your scummy radar is a little bit of omgus, don't you think? :)
I actually do think that was sincere since I forgot too, but I can't let anyone know that.
And you don't think I'm scummy, and TWM thinks I'm a 1-shot BP, so not scum.
nice try!
But no.
Well, I vote you and think you're antitown. The only thing to think is if you're antitown on purpose (thus being scum) or you're just antitown.
You voted for me? :(
still do, so to say. You're at L-2, my friend!
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I can perfectly imagine schadd/twm/x scum team now.
i agree that you have gotten away with calling me scum d1 a lot of times
well two of times i guess
was I right? th only i can remember is M87, but i don't emember if i scumread you D1
m87 you initially did but then didn't. m92 you did and were wrong, m94 you did and were scum
Okay, you are one of the hardest fr me to read. I mean my gut always say you're scum, because I don't think too often that you play a town game. But sometimes I need to tell myself that it's you, you don't necessarily try to play as townie as possible. And after all you're my wonderwall you are null to me. And I prefer to scumread those who are null to me.
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uh ok
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incidentally you may have scumtold but i have to check
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heeeeey yaa-aaaaa vote: dylan32 sorry
oh he's not in this game
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Wow I just wanna lynch RR already and were only 3 pages in. Way to make a newbie game super confusing RR.
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suspense!
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heeeeey yaa-aaaaa vote: dylan32 sorry
oh he's not in this game
Huh.. I actually had to go and look on the list of players to check you weren't just trying to confuse us. Which you were, but previously, and possibly unconsciously.
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To re-ask my earlier question that kind of went unnoticed: who other than kkrieg identifies as a newbie here? I think I've played in games with most of the rest of you, haven't I?
I'm not always good at distinguishing between returning vets and new people, especially if I missed out on the game in which they returned, since I'm not very well-read in terms of our back-catalog, or even games that have happened recently that I wasn't actually playing in.
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I would.
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Me too.
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Okay, so we have kkrieg, TWM and IDP as newbies in some sense.
The longest-standing vets are Awaclus and RR.
LL, schadd and I all started playing around the same time, and Jake is newer than us by a fair stretch.
Other interesting and potentially-relevant facts:
* LL, Awaclus and I are all east of the Atlantic. I'm relatively sure the rest of you are in the US, right?
* Jake and RR are both really quite young, and know each other IRL.
* LL and I have met IRL, and skype each other sometimes.
* I've talked to kkrieg one time on Skype, and kkrieg, LL and I are all intending to be at an f.ds meet in Berlin in August. (Though this game should certainly be over before that becomes an issue!).
Any other player-relevant info we should cover?
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Feel like I should be commenting more, but not totally sure I have anything to add right now....
At least Space can confirm gkrieg isn't just making up this kkrieg :)
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uh. who unto heck is replacing out?
Any other player-relevant info we should cover?
i can do a synopsis of everyone's playstyles
kkrieg: uh, wife of gkrieg who seems kinda cool and indeed a bit similar to gkrieg. gkrieg himself doesn't play especially excitingly, but he generally gets the best results out of anyone on forum when he's town, and the mafia tend to try to get rid of him rather quickly. i am, in turn, good at reading him (2 for 3, got him wrong my first game but the latter two i was right and very confident) which is, uh, useful, considering that he is often right. suffice to say, kkrieg has a bit to live up to.
lalight: usually has a very high post count and participates in a large amount of the games that happen here. he's rather charismatic and tends to get townread a lot as both alignments. i have trouble figuring out his oftentimes, i think because he isn't a native english speaker (so i rarely get a good tone read on him)
awaclus: ardently believes that townsfolk shouldn't have to explain reads on people (which is funny, because i'm townreading him for the reasons i'm assuming for his current vote) and is generally rather stubborn and unabashedly pedantic. he gets reasonably good results though and i find that he is kind of easy to read (though i haven't seen very many of his scum games).
spaceanemone: math PhD (don't remember what in, specifically) and tends to talk in depth about the concrete and mechanical aspects of the game (often this means setup stuff, but that will likely not be all that relevant this game), and is thus often difficult to read (since many of their posts are rather impersonal). they haven't been doing this as much in recent memory but that might just be because the games i remember were less setuppy.
the_wine_merchant: has played two games on site, as scum, and is very good at it (very high post count, widely townread just for seeming genuine & elaborate). given the stuff he made up those games i would be led to believe he's a good town player but we haven't seen that for sure yet
idontplaythisgame: he's still a bit new, and is typically very reserved and unsure of himself. he's also a math person and appreciates mechanical parts of the game, similarly to SA.
jakethebaseballgod22: in his first several games a few months ago he was quite rowdy and widely criticized (and pretty much always lynched) for tunnel vision-ing on certain people and making poorly-reasoned arguments; recently he's grown to be a lot more level-headed and a lot stronger as both alignments but still playful, which i think is a good thing
schadd: howdy! i usually post a lot, and i'm a lot more deliberate with my posts than i think i seem to most people. my biggest skill is memory; a lot of my posts sound like a comic book fan ("uh, actually, in issue 225 you contradict the opinion you stated just now") and i can get rather strong reads on many people i've played with before based on their habits and what i expect them to be thinking/doing in response to game events. my big accolade is that i've been right about my strongest scumread D1 of every game i've been in, which is often kind of difficult to do without the prerequisite knowledge of flips (i.e. the alignments/roles of people who died already)
roadrunner7671: similar to jake (and they are friendos irl), often criticized for being inelegant and not seeming to take the game seriously; has regularly gotten mislynched as long as he's played. that said, i find him to be pretty transparent and often well-reasoned.
Feel like I should be commenting more, but not totally sure I have anything to add right now....
honestly, any thoughts that you have would be helpful; the thing about newbies is that they're generally easy to read, just because you're coming into the game with a blank slate and, if you're scum, you don't have a baseline of yourself to imitate. that is to say, if you're town, just go nuts! and we'll probably be able to figure you out. and if you're scum, sorry!
for starters: what are you looking for to form your reads? do you currently think any behavior is more likely to come from scum than from town?
vote: lalight
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I want to encourage good town behavior, like the above, but I am wondering why I didn't see that sort of post from you last game?
I mean, I could understand the whole thing.
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was last game a newbie?
didn't think so, fucko
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(i don't actually think you're a fucko, yet)
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O ok
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honestly, getting 2 scumvps without anyone thinking you're a fucko is both impressive and horribly unimpressive
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The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
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The sad thing
:'(
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The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
yeah but a schadd that seems towny is concerning because usually town schadd gets lynched early (like M94) for seeming scummy so maybe not towny vibes from me yet.
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The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
yeah but a schadd that seems towny is concerning because usually town schadd gets lynched early (like M94) for seeming scummy so maybe not towny vibes from me yet.
except noooooo that was one gameeeee where a scum pushed me really harrrdddd and like 6 towns hard defended meeeeeee
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like, you remember, you were one of the three scum on wagon you drongopus
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And now we are back to me not having a clue.
But your explanation makes sense.
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
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Feel like I should be commenting more, but not totally sure I have anything to add right now....
That's me every game I'm in. Don't worry about it. I'll give you the same advice you were just given and that (initially) I was trying to follow: just say things.
uh. who unto heck is replacing out?
I don't know procedure for this, but unfortunately that would be me. Hence why I've (largely) stopped posting. It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
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uh. who unto heck is replacing out?
I don't know procedure for this, but unfortunately that would be me. Hence why I've (largely) stopped posting. It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
aw pud. in the future, i don't think newbie games would be that big a deal for you - it looks like you get setups pretty well already, so matrix6 isn't that big a deal, so 9p is the more important thing for staying on top of a game, and uh i will probably be rerunning schadd7 in the near future
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
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uh. who unto heck is replacing out?
I don't know procedure for this, but unfortunately that would be me. Hence why I've (largely) stopped posting. It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
aw pud. in the future, i don't think newbie games would be that big a deal for you - it looks like you get setups pretty well already, so matrix6 isn't that big a deal, so 9p is the more important thing for staying on top of a game
I get the probability behind set-ups and have a habit of trying to nit-pick the set-up posts for information which has yet to work out very well. Aside from mechanics, I haven't figured out the interactions that stem from given PRs potentially being in a game. I wanted to play more NM games since people are more open to helping and seeing cluelessness as genuine rather than as a newb!scum tactic.
near future
Ha. You're funny.
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since people are more open to helping and seeing cluelessness as genuine rather than as a newb!scum tactic.
yes i remember doing that
fwiw i had a hard time not townreading this thing (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg683220#msg683220)
near future
Ha. You're funny.
:c
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
So many letters.
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oh incidentally somebody remind me to add a rule next time i'm modding that you can't talk in thread once you apply to replace out, unless you're rescinding the apply. the way that people talk when they suddenly don't have a wincon anymore is rather revealing. i would have a hard time believing this:
It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
comes from scum, because i don't think he would at all look forward to being scum.
awaclus, keep not talking if you agree
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oh incidentally somebody remind me to add a rule next time i'm modding that you can't talk in thread once you apply to replace out, unless you're rescinding the apply. the way that people talk when they suddenly don't have a wincon anymore is rather revealing. i would have a hard time believing this:
It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
comes from scum, because i don't think he would at all look forward to being scum.
Yeah, that's why I wasn't saying much. Also, it's against the rules to stay in a game after a(n) /out request. As for looking forward to NM10 (from M96):
I have trouble finding things to talk about. My plan was to wait until after NM10 to play normal games, but NM10 doesn't seem to be happening.
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
Agreed. Had to read this one like 4 times.
So many letters.
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Quote fail. Embarrassing. Never quoting again.
town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
So many letters.
Agreed. Had to read this one like 4 times.
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oh incidentally somebody remind me to add a rule next time i'm modding that you can't talk in thread once you apply to replace out, unless you're rescinding the apply. the way that people talk when they suddenly don't have a wincon anymore is rather revealing. i would have a hard time believing this:
It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
comes from scum, because i don't think he would at all look forward to being scum.
awaclus, keep not talking if you agree
And that actually is where you might be wrong. He was never scum, he might've look forward to being it.
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lalight: usually has a very high post count and participates in a large amount of the games that happen here. he's rather charismatic and tends to get townread a lot as both alignments. i have trouble figuring out his oftentimes, i think because he isn't a native english speaker (so i rarely get a good tone read on him)
That's.. sad. I thought I know english well enough to have no problems with people trying to break through walls of my mistakes. Self esteem doowwn.
well, ugh, okay schadd seems town. That reminds me me in my very first newbie game being helpful and stuff and being scumread for that. So town on schadd, town on SA, null on Awaclus (schadd, where your townread on him came from at all?), dunno about kk
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Feel like I should be commenting more, but not totally sure I have anything to add right now....
That's me every game I'm in. Don't worry about it. I'll give you the same advice you were just given and that (initially) I was trying to follow: just say things.
uh. who unto heck is replacing out?
I don't know procedure for this, but unfortunately that would be me. Hence why I've (largely) stopped posting. It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
Tell you both a secret, I am still sometimes feeling this.
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That's.. sad. I thought I know english well enough to have no problems with people trying to break through walls of my mistakes. Self esteem doowwn.
Aw, chin up my friend! From the looks of things, more people are struggling with schadd's (native!) English than with yours so far in this game :-P
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That's.. sad. I thought I know english well enough to have no problems with people trying to break through walls of my mistakes. Self esteem doowwn.
Aw, chin up my friend! From the looks of things, more people are struggling with schadd's (native!) English than with yours so far in this game :-P
Aw, thanks!
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spaceanemone: math PhD (don't remember what in, specifically) and tends to talk in depth about the concrete and mechanical aspects of the game (often this means setup stuff, but that will likely not be all that relevant this game), and is thus often difficult to read (since many of their posts are rather impersonal). they haven't been doing this as much in recent memory but that might just be because the games i remember were less setuppy.
Most of this is fair, but I feel the need to point out that I'm no mathematician! My doctorate was on the borders of engineering and computer science, and most actual maths people (like Haddock) find me much too applied for their interesting theoretical conversations.
Am I really "rather impersonal"? I don't think I think of myself that way, but I'm not good at not being in my own head. I use emoticons (which got me scum-read a lot at first for ridiculous reasons) and everything.. I thought that was quite me-ish and therefore person-y :-)
And on the topic of early game play for kkrieg et al, I also find it hard to know what to say! I find it worse in games where there are more people all saying stuff, and now that I've had a bit of practice, a smaller game like this is pretty manageable. It gets easier as the game progresses because there are fewer people and they've all said more things, so reads tend to coalesce more easily. Or because you get lynched/NKd off, so you just have to hope that everyone else nails the scums for you because there's nothing more you can do about it.
I used to get quite upset about being taken out of a game early, but if you're a VT (vanilla townie), it's actually net positive to be an NK (night kill), because scum aren't going to NK themselves (at least not in simple games like this), so acting in a way that gets the scums to want you dead rather than a possible PR is not the worst thing that can happen. It took me a long while here to accept that... it didn't help me that the mafia-like Werewolf version I've played a lot IRL had modified wincons so that you only won if you were alive at the end, so I'm still more death-averse than I should be, though I think I'm much better than I used to be!
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let's see where vote: kkrieg is going
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I am liking a Vote: lalight
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Quote fail. Embarrassing. Never quoting again.
i don't think there exists a player on site that has quote failed fewer that 7m times
oh incidentally somebody remind me to add a rule next time i'm modding that you can't talk in thread once you apply to replace out, unless you're rescinding the apply. the way that people talk when they suddenly don't have a wincon anymore is rather revealing. i would have a hard time believing this:
It sucks because I was really looking forward to NM10, but I'm not currently able to continue playing.
comes from scum, because i don't think he would at all look forward to being scum.
awaclus, keep not talking if you agree
And that actually is where you might be wrong. He was never scum, he might've look forward to being it.
it's a judgement call and i would ask that he not answer because it's already weird rules ground, but i think newbie games make town play simpler more so than scum play; the fact that there's only 9 people and 2 baddies necessitates scum be more active since it's a lot harder to not be noticed. plus, i think he'd be a lot more interested in town play, and i did tell him that being scum assists town play but still
lalight: usually has a very high post count and participates in a large amount of the games that happen here. he's rather charismatic and tends to get townread a lot as both alignments. i have trouble figuring out his oftentimes, i think because he isn't a native english speaker (so i rarely get a good tone read on him)
That's.. sad. I thought I know english well enough to have no problems with people trying to break through walls of my mistakes. Self esteem doowwn.
well, ugh, okay schadd seems town. That reminds me me in my very first newbie game being helpful and stuff and being scumread for that. So town on schadd, town on SA, null on Awaclus (schadd, where your townread on him came from at all?), dunno about kk
it's not that i don't understand what you're saying (i do, about as clear as anyone else) but since your vernacular is slightly different than people that learned english growing up (like myself and most everyone i talk to) my innate sense of what's fake doesn't work as well
Most of this is fair, but I feel the need to point out that I'm no mathematician! My doctorate was on the borders of engineering and computer science, and most actual maths people (like Haddock) find me much too applied for their interesting theoretical conversations.
Am I really "rather impersonal"? I don't think I think of myself that way, but I'm not good at not being in my own head. I use emoticons (which got me scum-read a lot at first for ridiculous reasons) and everything.. I thought that was quite me-ish and therefore person-y :-)
hrm. for whatever reason i remembered you being more math/stats, though that might just be how academia works
sorry, not impersonal in presentation but impersonal with respect to where your reads come from (i.e. often setup spec & concrete town/anti-town rather than impressions of people), which is in turn most of where our reads of you should come from
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it's a judgement call and i would ask that he not answer because it's already weird rules ground, but i think newbie games make town play simpler more so than scum play; the fact that there's only 9 people and 2 baddies necessitates scum be more active since it's a lot harder to not be noticed. plus, i think he'd be a lot more interested in town play, and i did tell him that being scum assists town play but still
Well, yeah. i just think we shouldn't treat his placeholder as IC. Let's not talk about this more until someone appears.
it's not that i don't understand what you're saying (i do, about as clear as anyone else) but since your vernacular is slightly different than people that learned english growing up (like myself and most everyone i talk to) my innate sense of what's fake doesn't work as well
That's actually bad. Because I would prefer you seeing I'm not faking things. But okay, my self-esteem is back on its level :)
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
sorry meant to answer this
i am townreading him for scumreading rr's town play. yes, you read that right
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
sorry meant to answer this
i am townreading him for scumreading rr's town play. yes, you read that right
ugh, I guess?
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
sorry meant to answer this
i am townreading him for scumreading rr's town play. yes, you read that right
Just interested, why do you not townread me for the same thing? Are... you... biased?
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
That's right.
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
That's right.
yeah, I know, question was on schadd :)
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
sorry meant to answer this
i am townreading him for scumreading rr's town play. yes, you read that right
Just interested, why do you not townread me for the same thing? Are... you... biased?
are you an awaclus alt? that sounds rather unlikely
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I know that it's not eligible to prod Awaclus now, but 4 posts, counting /in?
@schadd, where is you townread coming from?
sorry meant to answer this
i am townreading him for scumreading rr's town play. yes, you read that right
Just interested, why do you not townread me for the same thing? Are... you... biased?
are you an awaclus alt? that sounds rather unlikely
ah, so you're townreading him for being Awaclus scumreading rr's town play. Gotcha
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vote: schadd
something is not right here. I am pretty sure about that
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Vote Count 1.2
schadd (2): RoadRunner7671, LaLight
LaLight (3): IDontPlayThisGame, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
RoadRunner7671 (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): JaketheBaseballGod22,
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Oh. Hey. My vote was L-2. L-2 everyone. L-2
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Oh. Hey. My vote was L-2. L-2 everyone. L-2
Which means there needed two more votes to lynch me. L-1 means there is 1 vote needed.
You are welcome.
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IDPTG's vote on me is rather unsettling. It was RVS and now he is being replaced. ugh
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Vote: LaLight
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And that is L-1 btw :)
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No ash or PPS in this game. So probably nothing to worry about here.
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And that is L-1 btw :)
Which vote on you is the scummiest?
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unvote
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And that is L-1 btw :)
Which vote on you is the scummiest?
I would say schadd's
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I agree. vote: schadd
L-2 again!
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
Wouldn't it be too obvious? O_o
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
I am not there to answer. TWM?
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
I am not there to answer. TWM?
I think you would be a fun partner to have. But, alas for this game, I have no partner.
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No ash or PPS in this game. So probably nothing to worry about here.
Heh heh heh
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In other news, I like the stuff that's been going on.
1. I think LaLight's English is native speaker level, or at least that's the impression I get.
2. Space isn't impersonal when it comes to playing, but when it comes to reads...maybe?
3. I love the kkrieg vote. It's always harder to contribute as scum than as town, because all yoir reads have to be pretty much made up. That being said, I don't want to lynch a newbie D1 in a newbie game, especially when they're the newest newbie.
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In other news, I like the stuff that's been going on.
1. I think LaLight's English is native speaker level, or at least that's the impression I get.
2. Space isn't impersonal when it comes to playing, but when it comes to reads...maybe?
3. I love the kkrieg vote. It's always harder to contribute as scum than as town, because all yoir reads have to be pretty much made up. That being said, I don't want to lynch a newbie D1 in a newbie game, especially when they're the newest newbie.
1) Oh, thanks a lot! The funniest thing is that my english improved massively after playing Forum Mafia endlessly :D
3) If they are scum, we should lynch them nevertheless. Because that's, um, the point of the game. I am not sure kkrieg is scum though.
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
Wouldn't it be too obvious? O_o
Sometimes, things that are obvious are obvious because they are true.
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Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
Wouldn't it be too obvious? O_o
Sometimes, things that are obvious are obvious because they are true.
Well, i agree, that sometimes they are. I just know that you are not right in this one.
It's always a blind bet, pointing out the most or least obvious statements because of levels and levels and WIFOM. Another problem is that people tend to notice obvious stuff and your statement was not even a little useful (I don't mean to be offensive, sorry if it will touch you).
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sorry if it will touch you
There's no need to worry about that when it comes to me.
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sorry if it will touch you
There's no need to worry about that when it comes to me.
Okay, tough guy :)
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
I'm re-reading stuff, and not actually understanding your use of words here. And I guess that means other people don't either. What is a townbn and a townwbun?
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3. I love the kkrieg vote. It's always harder to contribute as scum than as town, because all yoir reads have to be pretty much made up. That being said, I don't want to lynch a newbie D1 in a newbie game, especially when they're the newest newbie.
i sort of agree. in the mafiascum newbies i've seen it's not that big of a thing for either alignment (newbies replacing out is kind of a scumtell but rarely is it the case that they just don't have anything to say) but that might be because it's, like, the big mafia site and it's typically the place to go if you're specifically seeking out mafia; harbinger from M95 was rather similar to kkrieg now.
i wouldn't like to base a d1 lynch on this because, like, we just don't know much about her and the lynch wouldn't be informative from a reasoning perspective either way. i also kind of think gkrieg would give her some advice or other in case she rolled scum
town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
I'm re-reading stuff, and not actually understanding your use of words here. And I guess that means other people don't either. What is a townbn and a townwbun?
town- & town--
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I'm am liking and not liking schadd's play here so for now i feel safe putting him at L-1 Vote: Schadd
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Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
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3. I love the kkrieg vote. It's always harder to contribute as scum than as town, because all yoir reads have to be pretty much made up. That being said, I don't want to lynch a newbie D1 in a newbie game, especially when they're the newest newbie.
i sort of agree. in the mafiascum newbies i've seen it's not that big of a thing for either alignment (newbies replacing out is kind of a scumtell but rarely is it the case that they just don't have anything to say) but that might be because it's, like, the big mafia site and it's typically the place to go if you're specifically seeking out mafia; harbinger from M95 was rather similar to kkrieg now.
i wouldn't like to base a d1 lynch on this because, like, we just don't know much about her and the lynch wouldn't be informative from a reasoning perspective either way. i also kind of think gkrieg would give her some advice or other in case she rolled scum
Yeah, I think we need to assume gkrieg is being supportive. Also, total newbie suspected-scum player might be okay to leave around as long as we're not in danger of reaching lylo (the point at which we need to lynch correctly or lose the game), because most newbies don't master the art of natural partner interactions for their first couple of games.
We did have a newbie scum sub out of NM9 almost immediately, so the scumtell effect schadd's describing certainly happens here too :-(
town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
I'm re-reading stuff, and not actually understanding your use of words here. And I guess that means other people don't either. What is a townbn and a townwbun?
town- & town--
... and that meaning makes sense how? ???
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Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
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Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
The day is still young yet you want schadd to be lynched. And why is schadd scummy?
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Maybe this is just because I saw the last game that I was in have an early quick hammer that I saw benefit me as a mafia player, but I now want to unvote.
Of course that is going to make people be all like "Why you so nervous about him being at L-1?" But, hey man, I just told you above. I felt the same way about LaLight and didn't immediately unvote because I thought people would react badly to it, but you know what I am going to do what I feel I should do. And if that makes me scummy, then that makes me scummy.
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Maybe this is just because I saw the last game that I was in have an early quick hammer that I saw benefit me as a mafia player, but I now want to unvote.
Of course that is going to make people be all like "Why you so nervous about him being at L-1?" But, hey man, I just told you above. I felt the same way about LaLight and didn't immediately unvote because I thought people would react badly to it, but you know what I am going to do what I feel I should do. And if that makes me scummy, then that makes me scummy.
Nah bro that makes you towny.
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
I'm re-reading stuff, and not actually understanding your use of words here. And I guess that means other people don't either. What is a townbn and a townwbun?
town- & town--
... and that meaning makes sense how? ???
it strays away from the word "town" and more towards a disordered stream of characters, which would indicate null
Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
you uh actually said i was towny. as did lalight incidentally
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Definitely have some reads I'd like to share but have to wait until after work because posting in this forum from a tiny screen is THE worst.
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Definitely have some reads I'd like to share but have to wait until after work because posting in this forum from a tiny screen is THE worst.
Anticipation!
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Definitely have some reads I'd like to share but have to wait until after work because posting in this forum from a tiny screen is THE worst.
Anticipation!
You may want to lower your expectations...
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Definitely have some reads I'd like to share but have to wait until after work because posting in this forum from a tiny screen is THE worst.
Anticipation!
You may want to lower your expectations...
nope!
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Definitely have some reads I'd like to share but have to wait until after work because posting in this forum from a tiny screen is THE worst.
Anticipation!
You may want to lower your expectations...
Even more suspense!
I'd be excited, but I'm getting too sleepy :-P
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
twm is maybe at townwbun
I'm re-reading stuff, and not actually understanding your use of words here. And I guess that means other people don't either. What is a townbn and a townwbun?
town- & town--
... and that meaning makes sense how? ???
it strays away from the word "town" and more towards a disordered stream of characters, which would indicate null
Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
you uh actually said i was towny. as did lalight incidentally
The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
yeah but a schadd that seems towny is concerning because usually town schadd gets lynched early (like M94) for seeming scummy so maybe not towny vibes from me yet.
Where does that say i think your your towny????????????
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You said he seems towny and is therefore scummy.
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Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
you uh actually said i was towny. as did lalight incidentally
The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
yeah but a schadd that seems towny is concerning because usually town schadd gets lynched early (like M94) for seeming scummy so maybe not towny vibes from me yet.
Where does that say i think your your towny? ??? ??? ??? ??
well in saying "schadd that seems towny" you are either saying that i seem town to you or assuming rr is town and endorsing that i seem town to him (which would not really be indicated by 129). and also incidentally from both 145 and 203 i would be led to believe i'm null to you, except for how you voted me. oh and also you haven't given reads on anybody else
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Vote: Jake for hopping on an easy wagon and putting someone at L-1 10 minutes into the day.
I previously said i thought schadd was sorta scummy 1 and 2 what do you mean by 10 minutes into a day?
you uh actually said i was towny. as did lalight incidentally
The sad thing is I'm getting towny vibes from schadd because of how casual he's being.
yeah but a schadd that seems towny is concerning because usually town schadd gets lynched early (like M94) for seeming scummy so maybe not towny vibes from me yet.
Where does that say i think your your towny? ??? ??? ??? ??
well in saying "schadd that seems towny" you are either saying that i seem town to you or assuming rr is town and endorsing that i seem town to him (which would not really be indicated by 129). and also incidentally from both 145 and 203 i would be led to believe i'm null to you, except for how you voted me. oh and also you haven't given reads on anybody else
I said you seem towny to me which is worrying because I always read you as scummy when your town so i said that was a slight scum read on you for that. Seeing no other scum reads by me I just put a early vote on you. That's all.
Do I have to give my reads on everybody because if so 75% of the names would just have null next to them.
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I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
Do I have to give my reads on everybody because if so 75% of the names would just have null next to them.
uh. how about give the reads for the ones that aren't null then
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we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
Oh snap.
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they call me the ~~~~historian~~~~
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My top scum feels in order:
1. RR: not sure how to articulate why - he just seemed scummy from the beginning
2. LaLight: Posting a lot and I feel like he's trying to figure out too many things this early in the game without enough information (except I feel really bad about this because you quoted Wonderwall earlier so you must be a good guy?). He also started the kkrieg vote which (is fine) is scummy because of my impressive mafia history. And he feels like Schadd is scummy but I just don't get that read at all.
3. The Wine guy: agreed with LaLight on the Schadd being scummy pretty quickly and again I think Schadd is town. and similar to RR, just seems scummy
4. Space: just incredibly hard to read so you're on this list - sorry!!! also feel like because you are such an analytical player you would normally be trying to figure out the scum/helping out town a little more than you are (but I also have never read any past games...)
Who knows if any of the above is relevant but whatever - also how do you play this game without rereading every page? (asking for a friend)
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Posting a lot and I feel like he's trying to figure out too many things this early in the game without enough information
aren't i doing this as well?
Who knows if any of the above is relevant but whatever - also how do you play this game without rereading every page? (asking for a friend)
you will pretty much always want to continually look back at things and reread. once you start getting a better feel for the game you might start remembering things better, but rereading is pretty much a given.
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Posting a lot and I feel like he's trying to figure out too many things this early in the game without enough information
aren't i doing this as well?
Definitely - I'm just not getting the scum vibe from you.
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i understand this might be difficult to answer, but what comprises a scum vibe for you? a sense of disingenuity?
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i understand this might be difficult to answer, but what comprises a scum vibe for you? a sense of disingenuity?
Disingenuous is an ok way to put it. More like I've played a lot of social deductions games IRL and trust my hunches to be right like 40% of the time.
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that's the impression i got
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Well, I am still pretty often rereading everything. Though mostly I try to read not as the time goes but like "all the schadd's posts first, then all the Awaclus'" and so on.
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Posting a lot and I feel like he's trying to figure out too many things this early in the game without enough information
aren't i doing this as well?
Definitely - I'm just not getting the scum vibe from you.
May this be anyhow connected to my non-nativeness? :P
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I'm getting a scum vibe from LaLight, but that's because he's scum.
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4. Space: just incredibly hard to read so you're on this list - sorry!!! also feel like because you are such an analytical player you would normally be trying to figure out the scum/helping out town a little more than you are (but I also have never read any past games...)
Aw, you're just like gkrieg! Scumreading me already :-P You know he lynched me in like 3 of my first 4 games or something? He was mod in the other one! Anyway, I've slightly bitten off more than I can chew in terms of game commitments just now, which is why I'm not so setuppy in this one yet. Give me till Sunday evening UK time and I should be able to plug into it a bit better! Day 1 is the toughest day.
In other news, one serious rule that I'm sure gkrieg has already mentioned to you, but it's worth repeating: you're never, ever allowed to talk about things that happen in ongoing games, and it's especially bad to mention them in other games you may be playing in on this site... it gets quite frustrating when you want to scumread someone for something they've said elsewhere in another ongoing game, for example.
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i uh hope someone replaces into this game
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I wanted to play more NM games since people are more open to helping and seeing cluelessness as genuine rather than as a newb!scum tactic.
i just noticed this and it supports my thing about idp more than the thing i had quoted
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I wanted to play more NM games since people are more open to helping and seeing cluelessness as genuine rather than as a newb!scum tactic.
i just noticed this and it supports my thing about idp more than the thing i had quoted
Can you not misinterpret my words? Thanks.
Also, it seems I'm back for the time being.
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I wanted to play more NM games since people are more open to helping and seeing cluelessness as genuine rather than as a newb!scum tactic.
i just noticed this and it supports my thing about idp more than the thing i had quoted
Can you not misinterpret my words? Thanks.
Also, it seems I'm back for the time being.
Cool, glad to hear that! What does "for the time being" means? Will you be here till the end, or you merely do not know that?
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Cool, glad to hear that! What does "for the time being" means?
It means "for now".
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Cool, glad to hear that! What does "for the time being" means?
It means "for now".
Thanks!
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Did a quick reread just to put some thoughts out there.
I don't like schadd's effort in reading into what I've said about looking forward to this game. It's interesting that, regardless of my alignment, it would serve me to get him to townread that. It puts me in a weird spot. Could be scum buddying.
kkrieg seems new, which makes total sense. No scumread there.
Unfortunately, I'm townreading Awaclus. I really dislike his play style, but my personal opinion is irrelevant and not grounds for a read. Given the content so far, it seems consistent with M94.
LaLight I don't have a read on yet but I could see him as scum this game. Jake and RR seem townish but I historically misread them. I don't trust my ability to read TWM just yet, which would sort of PoE Space as scum.
Basically, two townreads (kkrieg and Awaclus) with a bunch of nullish reads.
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Cool, glad to hear that! What does "for the time being" means?
It means "for now".
Thanks!
And don't worry LaLight. You English is way better than my Russian.
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Cool, glad to hear that! What does "for the time being" means?
It means "for now".
Thanks!
And don't worry LaLight. You English is way better than my Russian.
And apparently my English too....
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I have about 20% confidence in my reads at this point, but here they are:
RR is town - so too probably is Jake. Awaclus as well. They are all ones I want to find scummy, but am not for what that is worth.
schadd feels slightly scummy to me.
kkrieg seems to be doing fine. So null there, but that is to be expected.
IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
That leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit. I feel like I remember more from LA and it was townie enough, so I guess that leaves Space as being somewhat more suspicious. But not enough to make me want to vote or anything like that. Just how I am remembering at this specific moment.
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RR is town - so too probably is Jake.
elabor8 pls
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RR is town - so too probably is Jake.
elabor8 pls
RR and J R 2 playas dat R ez 2 C as badz. 1st time playin w/ dem, they R ez 2 make look like badz. RR and J R same here.
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oh i misread the thing as rr town => jake town. but it looks you're saying "i'm town this time so it's hard to make it look like rr & jake are scum"?
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RR is town - so too probably is Jake.
elabor8 pls
RR and J R 2 playas dat R ez 2 C as badz. 1st time playin w/ dem, they R ez 2 make look like badz. RR and J R same here.
? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
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IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
Is this directed at me or your read of me?
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IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
Is this directed at me or your read of me?
I don't buy schadd's read of you based off you leaving/not leaving. I don't have much of an actual read on you otherwise.
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IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
Is this directed at me or your read of me?
I don't buy schadd's read of you based off you leaving/not leaving. I don't have much of an actual read on you otherwise.
Just wanted to check. After that mention, I'm going to ignore it. I think involving it in the rest of the game sets a really bad precedent and it's already a semi-problematic rules situation.
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Anyway, I've slightly bitten off more than I can chew in terms of game commitments just now, which is why I'm not so setuppy in this one yet.
I get that there's stuff we can look at since it's a semi-open set-up, but what do we have to gain from looking at it just yet?
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oh wait alsoIDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
you used "probably" to describe where your own reads came from?
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Quelle Chose? (what thing?)
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I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Quelle Chose? (what thing?)
I hope that wasn't google translate.
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Anyway, I've slightly bitten off more than I can chew in terms of game commitments just now, which is why I'm not so setuppy in this one yet.
I get that there's stuff we can look at since it's a semi-open set-up, but what do we have to gain from looking at it just yet?
There can be really useful strategies that help us out a lot, but aren't really obvious without kicking ideas about the set-up around. I'm very much a collaborative thinker it that sort of respect, so I like it when actual set-up discussions happen :-) Also, even in a non-newbie game, I like to be sure that basic town-favourable play ideas are out there stated in the thread, because it could be useful for less mechanics-driven/less experienced players. I know there's a small chance that it helps scum to see the town exploits, but I've given up worrying about that too much, because in general, scum have multiple brains churning over this stuff and a chance to discuss it all in private anyway, so we stand a better chance if we pool our thinking a bit too, even if we can only do it where they can see.
To make it clearer what I mean, the Worms RMM was a beautiful game that town burned it badly because we couldn't get ourselves together enough to exploit the mechanic I was trying to suggest... annoyingly, one of the big rivalries in that game was me and 2.7, and we were both town! I scumread him really hard for blocking my clever plan :-P With a standard setup like Matrix6, there's not going to be anything as exploitable, and we don't need to do much wheel-reinventing, given that this setup comes from mafiascum.
Anyway, it may especially be the case in a newbie game that it would be helpful for us to toss some ideas out there about how to play the various roles, in general enough terms that the scums can't benefit from knowing, but detailed enough that it's a lot more informative than reading info on mafiascum, since we can tailor it to each of our six possible game configurations. I know the first time I played most roles, I've thought it would be great to have someone to give me a big of guidance... First time being a vig felt like a horrible responsibility, and I wrote so much in my QT to justify my kills, because I was scared the whole of town would feel let down if I did something wrong.
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oh wait alsoIDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
you used "probably" to describe where your own reads came from?
Yes. That is factually correct.
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Anyway, I've slightly bitten off more than I can chew in terms of game commitments just now, which is why I'm not so setuppy in this one yet.
I get that there's stuff we can look at since it's a semi-open set-up, but what do we have to gain from looking at it just yet?
There can be really useful strategies that help us out a lot, but aren't really obvious without kicking ideas about the set-up around. I'm very much a collaborative thinker it that sort of respect, so I like it when actual set-up discussions happen :-) Also, even in a non-newbie game, I like to be sure that basic town-favourable play ideas are out there stated in the thread, because it could be useful for less mechanics-driven/less experienced players. I know there's a small chance that it helps scum to see the town exploits, but I've given up worrying about that too much, because in general, scum have multiple brains churning over this stuff and a chance to discuss it all in private anyway, so we stand a better chance if we pool our thinking a bit too, even if we can only do it where they can see.
Doesn't this contradict your attitude to my suggestions earlier?
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@Space- I'm definitely interested in that kind of discussion, but I'm not sure how to start it. I mainly look at just the numbers which is trivial in this case.
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Quelle Chose? (what thing?)
I hope that wasn't google translate.
Never. Interesting fact my french teacher taught me. Google translate actually has many of its foreign words wrong but people who use google translate don't know what the word is so people end up using the wrong words. Lesson here DON'T USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE. so no I didn't use google translate.
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Quelle Chose? (what thing?)
I hope that wasn't google translate.
Never. Interesting fact my french teacher taught me. Google translate actually has many of its foreign words wrong but people who use google translate don't know what the word is so people end up using the wrong words. Lesson here DON'T USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE. so no I didn't use google translate.
My point is that if we're playing the "not English" game, no one is allowed to use translation services.
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Quelle Chose? (what thing?)
I hope that wasn't google translate.
Never. Interesting fact my french teacher taught me. Google translate actually has many of its foreign words wrong but people who use google translate don't know what the word is so people end up using the wrong words. Lesson here DON'T USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE. so no I didn't use google translate.
My point is that if we're playing the "not English" game, no one is allowed to use translation services.
I would rather do the English game but everyone keeps using cryptic language.
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uh, simple advices for each role
cop: in short, the goal is to get a guilty result on someone. if you do, this is really helpful for town. there are a few things, though, that make this not really black and white:
-in theory, you would actually want to cop someone whom you think has a 50% chance of being scum, maximizing how informative the result is; if there happens to be someone you are absolutely sure is scum for whatever reason, copping them doesn't actually tell you much. in this case you are, uh, allowed to fake a guilty result but most people would say this is ill-advised.
-it is also helpful to cop someone whom you think is difficult to read - in this game, i would think this is TWM (he has had quite good results as scum, twice) and some people may also think this is me, space or awaclus.
-make use of your results when you get them, and you don't even need to claim to do this. experienced scum players will probably be able to sniff you out as the cop if you suddenly get a big change of heart and much more confident one Day, but at the same time if you don't defend town results/attack scum results you aren't making full use of the role (and it is also helpful for towns to try to figure out your result if you get killed.)
doc: heal whomever will probably get killed in the night; this usually means strong town players or widely townread players (or claimed PRs, though this is a bit more obvious). you will probably want to lay low and not attract too much attention; there isn't much you can do during the day that will help you be more effective with this role, and you don't want to get nightkilled.
tracker: you are essentially the cop, except you will only be able to find one of the two scum, and they get to choose who it is. this means you will usually want to track your biggest scumread that other people think is town (and you may want to lampshade who this is - note that claiming tracker will usually make you obvious town if the need arises.) if you see someone target someone that doesn't die, they are the doctor. do not out who they are, and claim that day. remember that it gives definitive results once one scum dies.
1-shot bulletproof: i don't really know what to do as this. you are essentially an IC, and intuitively one that scum doesn't really care to kill, except that it can only gain town a mislynch in the jk/bp/rb setup (if no-one dies at night in the bp-tracker setup, that doesn't actually change how many times town can mislynch someone before we lose). so, claim when you get to l-1 and then sit pretty once that happens.
jailkeeper: this one is also really difficult. i would say, follow the advice of either doc or tracker (whichever is more relevant to your reads/the state of the game); remember that you might have been roleblocked.
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hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
i guess not, then?
oh wait alsoIDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
you used "probably" to describe where your own reads came from?
Yes. That is factually correct.
uh, ok
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if you see someone target someone that doesn't die, they are the doctor. do not out who they are, and claim that day. remember that it gives definitive results once one scum dies.
Whatever you're trying to say here, it got a bit garbled!
If the person you track targets someone who doesn't die, but someone else does die, then the person you tracked is the doctor (in this setup only; that doesn't generalize!).
If the person you track targets someone and nobody dies, then your target could either be the doctor or the scum attempting to make the NK. It would be a superbly bad idea to townread the scum accidentally!
Where were you going with the thing about definitive results? I'm not sure if that's you not making sense or my brain not thinking through enough, given how late it is. I'm 83 minutes into my birthday already. G'night all!
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Happy Birthday Space!
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if you see someone target someone that doesn't die, they are the doctor. do not out who they are, and claim that day. remember that it gives definitive results once one scum dies.
1 Whatever you're trying to say here, it got a bit garbled!
If the person you track targets someone who doesn't die, but someone else does die, then the person you tracked is the doctor (2 in this setup only; that doesn't generalize!).
3 If the person you track targets someone and nobody dies, then your target could either be the doctor or the scum attempting to make the NK. It would be a superbly bad idea to townread the scum accidentally!
4 Where were you going with the thing about definitive results? I'm not sure if that's you not making sense or my brain not thinking through enough, given how late it is. I'm 83 minutes into my birthday already. G'night all!
1. i should have made a line break before the last sentence
2. yes, if you mean matrix6 only
3. meant to note that, thanks
4. better wording would be "if a scum is lynched, you essentially become a cop" since you don't doubt a "{person} did not visit anyone" result to mean "innocent" considering there isn't a scumpartner to have done the kill instead
Happy Birthday Space!
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oh wait alsoIDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
you used "probably" to describe where your own reads came from?
Yes. That is factually correct.
uh, ok
If you say so.
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do you see why that's weird to me, though?
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Basically, two townreads (kkrieg and Awaclus) with a bunch of nullish reads.
I agree - Awalcus seems town
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do you see why that's weird to me, though?
Nope.
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Just read Space. Hasn't had a single post {please correct me if I am wrong, it is a bit late and I am a bit dopey I will freely admit} that was scum hunting oriented. But still had a lot of posts that had a "I am helpful so don't suspect me" vibe.
I saw that you stated that you would get more into that aspect of the game on Sunday, which I get and respect that you have been busy. But on the flip side, I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me. And from what I have seen of you that is also a descriptor I would assign to you.
So. vote: Space
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I have about 20% confidence in my reads at this point, but here they are:
RR is town - so too probably is Jake. Awaclus as well. They are all ones I want to find scummy, but am not for what that is worth.
schadd feels slightly scummy to me.
kkrieg seems to be doing fine. So null there, but that is to be expected.
IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
That leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit. I feel like I remember more from LA and it was townie enough, so I guess that leaves Space as being somewhat more suspicious. But not enough to make me want to vote or anything like that. Just how I am remembering at this specific moment.
so, it's 80% that Jake/RR/Awa are scums, schadd is slightly townie, kkrieg is... erm... not null and you buy the schadd stuff on IDPTG?
On a serious note, me and Space are really good friends so we kinda combine together (if I understood correctly what you meant).
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RR is town - so too probably is Jake.
elabor8 pls
RR and J R 2 playas dat R ez 2 C as badz. 1st time playin w/ dem, they R ez 2 make look like badz. RR and J R same here.
Please, do not do this again. I woke up 15 minutes ago and nearly broke my head trying to read this
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Just read Space. Hasn't had a single post {please correct me if I am wrong, it is a bit late and I am a bit dopey I will freely admit} that was scum hunting oriented. But still had a lot of posts that had a "I am helpful so don't suspect me" vibe.
I saw that you stated that you would get more into that aspect of the game on Sunday, which I get and respect that you have been busy. But on the flip side, I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me. And from what I have seen of you that is also a descriptor I would assign to you.
So. vote: Space
Actually, knowing Space, I can say that it's a huge probability that on D1 they are leaving a scumhunting to newbies helping them with some setup advices and if things go bad, Space will step up and say: "okay, guys, now my reads", and this will be correct.
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I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me.
I definitely disagree. Giving out reads doesn't help town read you, it helps scum counterplay you.
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Just read Space. Hasn't had a single post {please correct me if I am wrong, it is a bit late and I am a bit dopey I will freely admit} that was scum hunting oriented.
Pretty sure that shouldn't be true, but I'm not having an easy time of remembering what was said here versus elsewhere at the moment :-/ Will definitely try to give your a more satisfying response when I'm home again tomorrow (or from work... apparently my free Sunday afternoon may have to be spent in the office after all :-(
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2.71828..... has replaced IDontPlayThisGame.
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Hey, e, welcome! Nice to see you! I don't remember if we played any games together, but I certainly modded a couple and played in yours.
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I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me.
I definitely disagree. Giving out reads doesn't help town read you, it helps scum counterplay you.
I can totally see that point. And certainly used that and maybe could have even more so if I had been more aware in my mafia games.
And I think I misspoke to an extent. Giving reads I can see your point, but asking questions and putting down votes and pointing things out to help I.D. maifia should be town's role, right? Both to help people read me and to better read others. Not just giving general advice on how to play the game.
Also, Space, sorry for voting you on your birthday! Worst gift ever!
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Vote Count 1.3
schadd (2): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (2): schadd, Awaclus
RoadRunner7671 (1): kkrieg
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): RoadRunner7671
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Not Voting (1): 2.71828.....
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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e!
=4.206820476...
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And I think I misspoke to an extent. Giving reads I can see your point, but asking questions and putting down votes and pointing things out to help I.D. maifia should be town's role, right? Both to help people read me and to better read others. Not just giving general advice on how to play the game.
Town's role is to not scumslip and to vote for anyone who does. Doing things to help ID the mafia is good, but that doesn't always include pointing things out — if you make a case against someone, the scum team will just dismiss that case and then it just takes a couple of townies to believe the scum team over your case and then your case is gone and then scum knows to adjust their narrative in the future so that they won't be caught again. Instead, if you notice that someone is doing something odd, you should subtly try to push that person into doing it more without pointing it out until they can no longer explain themselves out of the situation. It's exactly like that thing from detective stories where the detectives have figured out who the criminal is, but they only have circumstantial evidence so they need to use that knowledge to trick the culprit into saying something he wasn't supposed to know.
As far as helping people read you is concerned, don't scumslip if your town and do scumslip if you're scum. That should go a long way. The more you can stay stuff where you're especially prone to scumslipping, the more believable it is.
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I have no idea how to even try to not scum slip as town.
But I like your other point.
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Hi. Haven't read the game at all yet. Will catch up a little later after I finish errands
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ok vote: jake
play the game, please
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ok vote: jake
play the game, please
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I am playing the game
Also welcome E
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ok vote: jake
play the game, please
I mean if you want me to talk more then about what? Most of the recent content has been saying hi to e discussing awaclus's awful theory's about how town should play and I've already said I think, that you look scummy to me for now.
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ok vote: jake
play the game, please
I mean if you want me to talk more then about what? Most of the recent content has been saying hi to e discussing awaclus's awful theory's about how town should play and I've already said I think, that you look scummy to me for now.
If I had to guess it is because you never answered his question
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Don't know what that one thing is.
Maybe this?
I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Don't know what that one thing is.
Maybe this?
I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
How am I supposed to respond to that? It's a statement not a question. Also I've read games where you town but i thought you were scum sooooooo.
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vote: Jake
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vote: Jake
?
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vote: Jake
unanouced L-2?
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Don't know what that one thing is.
Maybe this?
I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
How am I supposed to respond to that? It's a statement not a question. Also I've read games where you town but i thought you were scum sooooooo.
you just did respond to it. which games?
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vote: Jake
unanouced L-2?
L-2 everyone
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fucking stop with that or i'll townread u againnn
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Don't know what that one thing is.
Maybe this?
I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
How am I supposed to respond to that? It's a statement not a question. Also I've read games where you town but i thought you were scum sooooooo.
you just did respond to it. which games?
M96
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vote: Jake
unanouced L-2?
L-2 everyone
why though?
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? lol should we all just start talking in different langues now?
hi! do you have a response to my one thing?
Don't know what that one thing is.
Maybe this?
I always read you as scummy when your town
we haven't been in any games together where we were both town, nor were you spectating any of my town games
How am I supposed to respond to that? It's a statement not a question. Also I've read games where you town but i thought you were scum sooooooo.
you just did respond to it. which games?
M96
can you give an opinion of anyone else from that game?
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well the idea was that he'd be able to respond quickly but he went offline pretty soon after. jake, can you articulate what about my play is different from that game, then?
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well the idea was that he'd be able to respond quickly but he went offline pretty soon after. jake, can you articulate what about my play is different from that game, then?
You seem more "carefree" then usually in other games but that's also sorta this game in total so it might just be that. Also you seem more towny this game which is different because in the past I have read you as scummy. Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
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Holding someone accountable for what they say and asking follow up questions is not panicky. It is how you play the game.
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Well maybe not how "you" play the game. But it certainly is a way to play it.
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Well maybe not how "you" play the game. But it certainly is a way to play it.
You still haven't said why you are voting me.
btw your signature is great
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Also you seem more towny this game which is different because in the past I have read you as scummy.
yes, but what have i been doing that makes me towny? and how is it different from the way i've played in the past?
Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
L0L
also what TWM said. you floated through M94 on every mislynch and no one called you out on anything/asked you to explain in detail, and your vote on me in particular there was like "uh he looks town (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16866.msg677608#msg677608) but idk something about meta (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16866.msg677614#msg677614)" which i was reminded of from your vote in this game
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
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Also you seem more towny this game which is different because in the past I have read you as scummy.
yes, but what have i been doing that makes me towny? and how is it different from the way i've played in the past?
Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
L0L
also what TWM said. you floated through M94 on every mislynch and no one called you out on anything/asked you to explain in detail, and your vote on me in particular there was like "uh he looks town (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16866.msg677608#msg677608) but idk something about meta (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16866.msg677614#msg677614)" which i was reminded of from your vote in this game
So I actually agree with some of your points when your serious and those points seem town to me. This is different because I didn't agree with your points in the games with you.
In M94 I never had to actually "play the game" as you call it because of what you said. That's not what I'm doing this game.
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No? TWM why are you voting me?
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I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me.
I definitely disagree. Giving out reads doesn't help town read you, it helps scum counterplay you.
So you shouldn't post every read all the time? Just kind of wait it out until someone has undeniably done things that are scummy? Also what's a townslip?
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So I actually agree with some of your points when your serious and those points seem town to me. This is different because I didn't agree with your points in the games with you.
it would be very helpful for me if you could give specifics, though. what am i saying here that's agreeable, compared to M96? and are you suggesting that i change my opinions about the game to look more townie?
In M94 I never had to actually "play the game" as you call it because of what you said. That's not what I'm doing this game.
and how is it not what you're doing this game? it has taken a lot of prodding to get a good explanation of your vote here.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No?
this post is what i was thinking of:
ok vote: jake
play the game, please
I mean if you want me to talk more then about what? Most of the recent content has been saying hi to e discussing awaclus's awful theory's about how town should play and I've already said I think, that you look scummy to me for now.
though i misunderstood it a bit (not complaining that there wasn't enough to talk about, rather noting that there wasn't anything else for you to talk about. as an aside, though, it isn't up to us to find things for you to talk about; it was somebody's signature at some point that "if the game isn't going the way you want it to, always assume it's your fault")
I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me.
I definitely disagree. Giving out reads doesn't help town read you, it helps scum counterplay you.
So you shouldn't post every read all the time? Just kind of wait it out until someone has undeniably done things that are scummy? Also what's a townslip?
this is what awaclus believes, yes; whether you do or not is up to you, though the rest of us will more than likely ask that you do (and because you're rather new to this, it's especially helpful since it will make you especially easy for us to read).
a townslip is something someone says that makes it clear (or likely) that they don't have information scum would have. the opposite of a scumslip (i.e. accidentally suggesting you have information only scum has access to, usually people's alignments)
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Vote: Jake
L-1, sorry man.
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No? TWM why are you voting me?
Because I feel like you are making up your responses to schadd on the fly and trying to cast suspicion on him for legitimate questions.
Also why are you so panicky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
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Boy, that escalated quickly. Can't catch up now and for next 15 hours, busy day.
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Vote Count 1.4
schadd (2): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): Awaclus
RoadRunner7671 (1): kkrieg
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
Not Voting (1): 2.71828.....
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No? TWM why are you voting me?
Because I feel like you are making up your responses to schadd on the fly and trying to cast suspicion on him for legitimate questions.
Also why are you so panicky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
Or that now I'm probably dead because why not? Or why so?
Maybe because I'm town and theirs no case against me. Also has anyone ever seen schadd target someone like this?
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Vote: Jake
L-1, sorry man.
TRICKERY!!!!! You were already voting me. What bogus from RR.
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No? TWM why are you voting me?
Because I feel like you are making up your responses to schadd on the fly and trying to cast suspicion on him for legitimate questions.
Also why are you so panicky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
Or that now I'm probably dead because why not? Or why so?
Maybe because I'm town and theirs no case against me. Also has anyone ever seen schadd target someone like this?
Don't know what you are saying with the first sentence. And that is a case, whether you call it one or not. It might not be correct, but it is a case. Obfuscating, avoiding answering specific questions and reflecting back suspicion on those questioning you is certainly a case.
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Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you.
also, weren't you just complaining how there wasn't enough to talk about a bit ago?
No? TWM why are you voting me?
Because I feel like you are making up your responses to schadd on the fly and trying to cast suspicion on him for legitimate questions.
Also why are you so panicky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
Or that now I'm probably dead because why not? Or why so?
Maybe because I'm town and theirs no case against me. Also has anyone ever seen schadd target someone like this?
Don't know what you are saying with the first sentence. And that is a case, whether you call it one or not. It might not be correct, but it is a case. Obfuscating, avoiding answering specific questions and reflecting back suspicion on those questioning you is certainly a case.
Your signature is wrong btw. I'm at L-2 RR lied.
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Ok, read up on the game. Seems to be a lot of general helpful people around, which is disconcerting.
Vote: schadd
Except, you know RR did make a joke earlier in the game (that I did not get until later explained in the thread) which is might be super scummy, but Robz isn't in this game, and I am all for the making of jokes.
kkrieg seems normal enough, LaLight could be scum, I don't know. I always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
Overall, it's been a pretty good D1, still have a decent amount of time left to create some more activity, but I really like the competing wagons we have right now.
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So you shouldn't post every read all the time? Just kind of wait it out until someone has undeniably done things that are scummy? Also what's a townslip?
You can post reads, as long as you're ambiguous about how serious they are and don't explain the reasons. Townslips are what schadd already explained, but there are also townslips where you post information that scum probably doesn't have or might not have figured out. For instance, I could point out that I do not have a QT in this game, which is something that scum wouldn't know because they do have the scum QT and usually townies get individual QTs but apparently not in this game.
this is what awaclus believes, yes; whether you do or not is up to you, though the rest of us will more than likely ask that you do (and because you're rather new to this, it's especially helpful since it will make you especially easy for us to read).
And that's why town loses so many games.
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So I actually agree with some of your points when your serious and those points seem town to me. This is different because I didn't agree with your points in the games with you.
it would be very helpful for me if you could give specifics, though. what am i saying here that's agreeable, compared to M96? and are you suggesting that i change my opinions about the game to look more townie?
this went unanswered.
Also has anyone ever seen schadd target someone like this?
i've tunneled somebody D1 of my last 3 town games and it's gotten me some ok results. honestly, though, i don't even think i'm targeting you here as much as i have in the past; it's just that you're voting town, and moreover you're voting me, both of which are things scum love to do, and things that you in particular seem to like to do when you're scum. so, i'm trying to press into your reasoning to see if it's genuine and well thought-out, and it's been like pulling teeth and you've taken every opportunity to try to cast suspicion on me for it.
Vote: Jake
L-1, sorry man.
TRICKERY!!!!! You were already voting me. What bogus from RR.
is this a scumread?
Because I feel like you are making up your responses to schadd on the fly and trying to cast suspicion on him for legitimate questions.
Also why are you so panicky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
Or that now I'm probably dead because why not? Or why so?
Maybe because I'm town and theirs no case against me. Also has anyone ever seen schadd target someone like this?
Don't know what you are saying with the first sentence. And that is a case, whether you call it one or not. It might not be correct, but it is a case. Obfuscating, avoiding answering specific questions and reflecting back suspicion on those questioning you is certainly a case.
Your signature is wrong btw. I'm at L-2 RR lied.
i didn't understand the first sentence either
Ok, read up on the game. Seems to be a lot of general helpful people around, which is disconcerting.
why's that? it's a newbie game (though sorta low on newbies at present)
Except, you know RR did make a joke earlier in the game (that I did not get until later explained in the thread) which is might be super scummy
he sort of explained it two posts afterward (49 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686640#msg686640), 51 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686641#msg686641))
oh incidentally, e, iirc you've said in the past that you're at your best when you're defending yourself from a bunch of people but unfortunately your predecessor was uh very likely town
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51 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686641#msg686641)
off by one post. this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686642#msg686642)
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sorry, guys, very hard day, 1,5 hours of sleep. I am going to sleep now, will catch up tomorrow, promise.
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oh incidentally, e, iirc you've said in the past that you're at your best when you're defending yourself from a bunch of people but unfortunately your predecessor was uh very likely town
I won't complain about being an IC
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
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With apologies to Awaclus for disagreeing on what's generally good collaborative play, here's where I'm at with everything so far, based on reading things this evening:
kkrieg (13 game posts) -- inexperienced, but putting reads out there. No red lights yet, and didn't flail or get defensive when LL voted for her, which is a sort of cool that's tough to fake. Probable town, though I acknowledge a built-in bias where I'd rather keep newbies in a newbie game at least past D1.
LL (50 game posts) -- more prolific than I'd realised. Seems like his helpful self in terms of trying to diffuse RR's joke in a contained way. I think the brief kkrieg vote was townie.
Awaclus (13 game posts) -- is very Awaclus. His playstyle gives very little away in terms of leaving room for scumslips, but the fact he's been talking in paragraphs occasionally is encouraging. Town side of the heap.
Space (19 game posts) -- spaaaaaaace :-)
TWM (47 game posts) -- engaging a lot. Seems to have a thing against schadd that extends into meta rather than scumreads maybe? Also seems to be pretty conscious of how he's seen (e.g. at #208), which is something I'm scumread for from time to time, but he seems to be doing okay with it. What were his previous games? Background reading/revision is in order if he's actually a ninja scum player, because he's giving off a pretty townie vibe to me.
IDP/e (3 posts from e, 17 from IDP) -- leaning townish for meta reasons, though I think schadd's narrative makes that look more cut-and-dried that it is. Need to keep an eye on e.
Jake (24 game posts) -- Getting a little flustered by votes on him in a way that I think is similar to that recent blitz game, where he was the high-value scum target, but managed to stay under the radar during the majority of the conversation. OTOH, I like that his playstyle has gotten so much better lately, and I tend to scumread people pretty hard for pushing him based on his earlier play, which kind of biases me to the point where he's a nullish read here for now.
schadd (70 game posts) -- dominating the game in terms of posts, though maybe only about 3/4 of them make sense fully. Even then, that's a pretty high level of engagement. He's certainly been saying a lot of helpful stuff that's the kind of thing I'd have posted if I wasn't so distracted by getting older and stuff. Comes off a bit scummier in a targeted re-read, actually. Things like pushing TWM for the use of "probably" and complaining about Jake not responding to something that wasn't initially a question.. unless I'm mis-reading/misunderstanidng schadd there? Mild scum.
RR (25 game posts) -- The joke was not good, now is the fact that immediately afterwards he specifically drew attention to the implications of what might happen with other town PRs he could have outed (#53). I feel like it's well within RR's general meta, but I get so frustrated at that kind of "it was all a joke" play :-(
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Doesn't this contradict your attitude to my suggestions earlier?
Sorry TWM! Completely wasn't paying attention to this earlier... I'll go back and try to work out which thing you're talking about now.
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
Maybe he oh idk READ ONE.
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Doesn't this contradict your attitude to my suggestions earlier?
Sorry TWM! Completely wasn't paying attention to this earlier... I'll go back and try to work out which thing you're talking about now.
Actually, it would be really helpful if you could point me at what you mean with a post number or a quote. Sorry if I'm just being dozy :-(
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Also, Space, sorry for voting you on your birthday! Worst gift ever!
Also just remembered about this while looking for the other thing :-) No hard feelings... you'd've had to do something several orders of magnitude worse to bring my awesome day down even a teeny tiny bit :-P
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What were his previous games? Background reading/revision is in order if he's actually a ninja scum player, because he's giving off a pretty townie vibe to me.
M91, M96; scum mvp both times
Things like pushing TWM for the use of "probably"
i didn't push twm, and i actually kind of dropped it because picking apart wording is something i've done a lot in the past and it hasn't worked out very well. my thinking was that if he thought proposing that my argument for idptg was scummy, then he would be able to call me scummy for it rather than starting at a scummy feeling of me and guessing at the cause. but that's a rather weak point, esp. considering i haven't seen how he thinks as town (and incidentally he is kind of an overexplainer as scum, so maybe it further doesn't make sense)
complaining about Jake not responding to something that wasn't initially a question.. unless I'm mis-reading/misunderstanidng schadd there?
it wasn't a question, but it was something suspicious i pointed out and i thought it was implicit that i wanted him to explain it. his reasoning for being suspicious of me was "he seems towny here except he often gets mislynched early" and i pointed out why that was misleading; he later voted me and changed that to "i find him towny but i have not found him towny in games where he was town." i noted that he hadn't been in any games where we were both town, and i assumed he was either misremembering something and would want to reevaluate somehow (after all, in isolation he would think i'm town) or would be able to tell what specific game he had as a reference point so we could talk about it. he didn't do either of those, and when i hounded him for some response he noted that it wasn't a question but then gave exactly the response i would have expected him to give.
there was, incidentally, another thing in that post, that was much more intuitive to respond to:
Do I have to give my reads on everybody because if so 75% of the names would just have null next to them.
uh. how about give the reads for the ones that aren't null then
oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
Maybe he oh idk READ ONE.
that's not what is implied by the word "defend." you can't defend people if you are reading a game (and i looked at the speccies, where he didn't defend jake either)
primarily i felt it wouldn't be fair if i only pointed it out in jake's case
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
Maybe he oh idk READ ONE.
that's not what is implied by the word "defend." you can't defend people if you are reading a game (and i looked at the speccies, where he didn't defend jake either)
Darn it.. the only reason I'm not voting for you right now is that I forgot to attach a vote to my reads post, where clearly you were approximately my highest scum read an hour ago, and now you pull out a towny thing. It's a good point that e should probably address, if it is indeed true that they've not both been town in the same game. Going as far as checking the QTs attached to the games is something I had considered in a "naah, that's way too time consuming" sort of way.
In other news, why have " and @ swapped places on my keyboard all of a sudden? This is worrying and disconcerting.
unvote, since Awaclus is clearly not the best place for my vote to be just now.
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Vote: LaLight
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
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Going as far as checking the QTs attached to the games is something I had considered in a "naah, that's way too time consuming" sort of way.
well it took like 5 minutes. plus i already remembered he wasn't active in the zm23 one because i was, in turn, very active in it
there's sort of a question of whether it's a good idea for town to refute people's reasons for townreading them. it's been true as long as there's been rhetoric that appearing uninvested in whether good things happen to you is a great way to get good things to happen to you (see: augustus) but, like, i could have just let you townread me, which would be all well and good (and i think the point you used to do so is the sort of point you find to be most reliable. but that might just be because i kind of think of you and calamitas as the same person). sometimes you can use it to scumhunt as well (for example, in my first game on MS, a scummo hard townread me for something silly i said in RVS and a secret other reason he didn't want to publicize; i was thusly pocketed like a social security card in the rain) but i think it is rather reasonable to make that assessment if you don't meta-dive as often as i do. plus, changing one's read based on changes in information rather than changes in circumstance is rather townie to begin with
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Vote: LaLight
why now?
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Vote: LaLight
why now?
Just reviewed who's voting for who/player interactions (and my RR vote wasn't going anywhere fast).
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Vote: LaLight
why now?
Why not?
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Vote: LaLight
why now?
Why not?
haha, yes
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there's sort of a question of whether it's a good idea for town to refute people's reasons for townreading them. it's been true as long as there's been rhetoric that appearing uninvested in whether good things happen to you is a great way to get good things to happen to you (see: augustus) but, like, i could have just let you townread me, which would be all well and good (and i think the point you used to do so is the sort of point you find to be most reliable. but that might just be because i kind of think of you and calamitas as the same person). sometimes you can use it to scumhunt as well (for example, in my first game on MS, a scummo hard townread me for something silly i said in RVS and a secret other reason he didn't want to publicize; i was thusly pocketed like a social security card in the rain) but i think it is rather reasonable to make that assessment if you don't meta-dive as often as i do. plus, changing one's read based on changes in information rather than changes in circumstance is rather townie to begin with
My following of this paragraph is a bit tenuous, but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas. Unfortunately for my standing in this game, but probably very fortunately for many other reasons, I'm actually not Calamitas. TBH, I think if him as a mini-silverspawn. They both have nice orderly brains I can see my way round, though... unlike certain other players here ;-)
In all seriousness, I'd just somehow forgotten about the e situation with the Jake-scumminess when I was thinking both about him and about you in my re-read, because when I read the relevant parts, I pushed it onto the heap as a thing that would be good to follow through on once I'd answered whatever was currently at the top of the pile, and then forgotten about it.
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but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
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but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
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but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
for the defending jake thing?
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
I mean thanks for defending me but that was just bad.
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
I mean thanks for defending me but that was just bad.
wrong quote?
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oh wait, like, another thing to add. nvm
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dunno about e but i use "flipped scum" to be synonymous with "ended up being scum." and i mean you always flip at the end of the game in the "scum wins" post
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TWM (47 game posts) -- engaging a lot. Seems to have a thing against schadd that extends into meta rather than scumreads maybe? Also seems to be pretty conscious of how he's seen (e.g. at #208), which is something I'm scumread for from time to time, but he seems to be doing okay with it. What were his previous games? Background reading/revision is in order if he's actually a ninja scum player, because he's giving off a pretty townie vibe to me.
I don't think I have any beef with schadd. Or anyone for that matter. I will acknowledge that I often don't have a clue understanding what he is talking about and will ask (sometimes in a snarky manner to clarify), which I think he often does.
I think in previous games (both mafia and both times was able to win) people gave me townie reads for pretty bad reasons and ignored some very suspicious stuff. And given that my two previous games I was town, I really have no idea how to actually scum hunt (previous was mostly mimicking how some of the best do it and how I thought I would perhaps do it if I were town), so I am trying some different approaches to see how it works.
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Doesn't this contradict your attitude to my suggestions earlier?
Sorry TWM! Completely wasn't paying attention to this earlier... I'll go back and try to work out which thing you're talking about now.
Actually, it would be really helpful if you could point me at what you mean with a post number or a quote. Sorry if I'm just being dozy :-(
I don't actually want to get back into the conversation, but I am interested in what I was doing is different than what you think we should have been doing here, which got shot down very quickly
Generally I think I see what you are saying. But in this specific case, claiming or not claiming 1-shot BP isn't horrible.
just to ruin this for everyone, current mafiascum meta is to claim 1-shot bulletproof immediately
I would have been fine not going down that road, but RR started us down it. And I think we should keep going. It isn't going to hurt the game for us and it might even help.
We can't erase how RR did or how people responded, what we can do is continue to move in that direction to town's best benefit.
Except now I am realizing it was LA who mostly shot it down and not you, my mistake. So probably ignore this unless you feel compelled to talk about it.
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Vote Count 1.5
schadd (3): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22, e
LaLight (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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My what a disaster this is
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Vote Count 1.5
schadd (3): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22, e
LaLight (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Is space voting awalcus or e?
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My what a disaster this is
how is that?
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Vote Count 1.5
schadd (3): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22, e
LaLight (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Is space voting awalcus or e?
Sorry, fixed.
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Ugh, i just had a dream where we lynched Andrew and he flipped scum and we were like "do you really think it was a good idea to make mod scum in the newbie game?" And he said "well, newbies figured it out"
Sorry, something meaningful soon :)
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okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
The other person to think about is Awaclus. Maybe he's doing the same thing with scumreading me with 100% surety for metareasons (because previously he's been doing that as town so now he exprects us to read him as town again (which works as far as I can see)).
Can't read RR and Jake at all. They are generally scummy and it's hard to judge. I won't be surprised if one or both are scum, but for now schadd is scummier than both combined.
I tend to townread SA a lot, and I am doing it now, but I keep in mind that they may as well be scum and nothing really would differ in that case. Don't want to lynch right now, but will watch closer after (if i will make it to D2 :) )
kkrieg is the nullest of all, i can easily see her being scum and being town. I wish there were more content because it's hard for me to read someone the first time.
e/IDPTG are on townie side, but I don't really support schadd's idea that that IDPTG leaving post was IC-level townie. But D1 pass from me.
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okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
So basically you want to distance yourself from your partner without voting for him.
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okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
So basically you want to distance yourself from your partner without voting for him.
Have I ever give you an impression of such a bad player? I am no scum, I don't do things you are talking about and even if I was, I wouldn't do such a brush thing!
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I am okay with lynching either TWM or schadd, depending on what wagon will be viable closer to the end of the day (when is that btw?)
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oh, I won't be here at the deadline, it's 4am my time
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Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
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Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
Well, does it look like I am on the wagon?
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okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
So basically you want to distance yourself from your partner without voting for him.
Have I ever give you an impression of such a bad player? I am no scum, I don't do things you are talking about and even if I was, I wouldn't do such a brush thing!
However, if that defense worked, you could do that as scum and it would be a good play.
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Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
Well, does it look like I am on the wagon?
I am talking more about not what you think of Jake but what do you think of people forming such a wagon (especially if you think that Jake is not scum). Because I, for one, think that there is 1 or maybe even two scums on the wagon. Wagons on Jake are universal scum radars.
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Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
Well, does it look like I am on the wagon?
I am talking more about not what you think of Jake but what do you think of people forming such a wagon (especially if you think that Jake is not scum). Because I, for one, think that there is 1 or maybe even two scums on the wagon. Wagons on Jake are universal scum radars.
I think there is 1 scum on Jake's wagon and 1 scum on schadd's wagon.
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Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
Well, does it look like I am on the wagon?
I am talking more about not what you think of Jake but what do you think of people forming such a wagon (especially if you think that Jake is not scum). Because I, for one, think that there is 1 or maybe even two scums on the wagon. Wagons on Jake are universal scum radars.
I think there is 1 scum on Jake's wagon and 1 scum on schadd's wagon.
Okay, i got it, thanks!
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vite: twm
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Gosh
vote: twm
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oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
I mean thanks for defending me but that was just bad.
Yeah, I agree with Jake that it looks bad, especially because schadd has already mentioned checking the speccies. It's an odd pattern of defending and scum-reading, though, since Jake's not really the strongest player for a scum to want to buddy.
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Gosh
vote: twm
Now I think there's 1 scum on Jake's wagon and 1 scum on TWM's wagon.
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Gosh
vote: twm
Now I think there's 1 scum on Jake's wagon and 1 scum on TWM's wagon.
Hey. I am trying to approach things from your play style and understand where you are coming from here, but I just don't see it.
It looks like you identified something that you felt LA "scum slipped" and have voted him for that ever since. I went back to see if I could find something and couldn't.
And, further it looks like you think I am a partner because I unvoted him when he was at L-1, which I also did when schadd was at L-1.
To me, it looks like you have some confirmation bias going on. Do you disagree with that assessment? If so, why? And I am sure this post will reinforce that bias, but I feel it is worth making to help me (and the other townies at least, if you think I am scum) to understand a little better and to provide you an opportunit to townslip in your answer.
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okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
This is extremely vague. Can you provide more specific points? I would argue I am very different this game from my previous two.
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Gosh
vote: twm
Now I think there's 1 scum on Jake's wagon and 1 scum on TWM's wagon.
Hey. I am trying to approach things from your play style and understand where you are coming from here, but I just don't see it.
It looks like you identified something that you felt LA "scum slipped" and have voted him for that ever since. I went back to see if I could find something and couldn't.
And, further it looks like you think I am a partner because I unvoted him when he was at L-1, which I also did when schadd was at L-1.
To me, it looks like you have some confirmation bias going on. Do you disagree with that assessment? If so, why? And I am sure this post will reinforce that bias, but I feel it is worth making to help me (and the other townies at least, if you think I am scum) to understand a little better and to provide you an opportunit to townslip in your answer.
Lot's of people saying they want to lynch me. But haven't seen any reasons why as of yet. I would appreciate more information at some point so I can know why, cause right now the only reason I seem to be aware of is the belief that a scum must have been off wagon Day1.
Isn't that a little similar? Your meta is trying to push people to make a case on you so then you could argue with it. That's mostly (not only for you) a scum move.
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I don't think I ever did that in my previous two games. And it never worked as I rare had anyone vote for me in those two games (bragging).
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You can't just say, "this is your meta" and declare it so. Well, you can say it, but don't expect me to just believe it.
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I don't think I ever did that in my previous two games. And it never worked as I rare had anyone vote for me in those two games (bragging).
second quote is from M96, where you say yourself that lots of people want to lynch you
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I don't think I ever did that in my previous two games. And it never worked as I rare had anyone vote for me in those two games (bragging).
Oops just realized that post was from a previous game. I feel silly now.
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You can't just say, "this is your meta" and declare it so. Well, you can say it, but don't expect me to just believe it.
I am not trying to persuade you to vote for yourself. I am telling my points why I voted you
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Well, they did say it. But isnt that point something that came up after you voted for me. Like, I feel like I just stumbled into something you set up.
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And to me that is more of a personality trait than a meta. Regardless of alignment I am going to want to know why someone finds me suspicious, as town or mafia. That is interesting to me.
Why wouldn't I want to know that info as town?
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Well, they did say it. But isnt that point something that came up after you voted for me. Like, I feel like I just stumbled into something you set up.
I haven't set anything up. I have found just a relevant quote, there are some before my voting for you also. That's why I voted for you in the first place
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TWM (47 game posts) -- engaging a lot. Seems to have a thing against schadd that extends into meta rather than scumreads maybe? Also seems to be pretty conscious of how he's seen (e.g. at #208), which is something I'm scumread for from time to time, but he seems to be doing okay with it. What were his previous games? Background reading/revision is in order if he's actually a ninja scum player, because he's giving off a pretty townie vibe to me.
I don't think I have any beef with schadd. Or anyone for that matter. I will acknowledge that I often don't have a clue understanding what he is talking about and will ask (sometimes in a snarky manner to clarify), which I think he often does.
I think in previous games (both mafia and both times was able to win) people gave me townie reads for pretty bad reasons and ignored some very suspicious stuff. And given that my two previous games I was town, I really have no idea how to actually scum hunt (previous was mostly mimicking how some of the best do it and how I thought I would perhaps do it if I were town), so I am trying some different approaches to see how it works.
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Alright, I really don't understand how that has any bearing on my alignment. But I feel like we are talking past each other.
The quote above is obviously a typo as it should say that my two previous games I wasn't town.
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Hey. I am trying to approach things from your play style and understand where you are coming from here, but I just don't see it.
It looks like you identified something that you felt LA "scum slipped" and have voted him for that ever since. I went back to see if I could find something and couldn't.
It's hard to see scumslips when you're scum.
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Vote: TWM
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That logic just completely fails to work. But ok.
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That logic just completely fails to work. But ok.
It works just fine.
Premise 1: It's hard to see scumslips when you have a scum mindset. (That's why scum makes scumslips in the first place)
Premise 2: When you are scum, you have a scum mindset.
Conclusion: It's hard to see scumslips when you are scum.
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That logic just completely fails to work. But ok.
It works just fine.
Premise 1: It's hard to see scumslips when you have a scum mindset. (That's why scum makes scumslips in the first place)
Premise 2: When you are scum, you have a scum mindset.
Conclusion: It's hard to see scumslips when you are scum.
I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
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I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
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I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
Whut?
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I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
Whut?
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
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I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
Whut?
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
I'll just sit here and wait for Godot to show up.
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I think that is a fine conclusion. You took it a step further. And concluded that I must be scum because I can't see the one scumslip you supposedly identified. But there are other factors. Such as being a different human than you and seeing different things in different ways.
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
Whut?
And here you're trying to trick me into explaining myself, but it's not working.
I'll just sit here and wait for Godot to show up.
I LOVE the allusion.
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You can't just say, "this is your meta" and declare it so. Well, you can say it, but don't expect me to just believe it.
I am not trying to persuade you to vote for yourself. I am telling my points why I voted you
shouldn't you, like, want him to have to talk about it more?
Hey. I am trying to approach things from your play style and understand where you are coming from here, but I just don't see it.
It looks like you identified something that you felt LA "scum slipped" and have voted him for that ever since. I went back to see if I could find something and couldn't.
It's hard to see scumslips when you're scum.
many scum threads would contradict this (i know i pointed out several in M87 and maybe RMM37, EFHW pointed at least one out that i remember in M95)
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It's hard to see scumslips when you're scum.
many scum threads would contradict this (i know i pointed out several in M87 and maybe RMM37, EFHW pointed at least one out that i remember in M95)
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What is more compelling to me is whether town is guaranteed to also see these supposed scumslips. Given that no one else is voting for LA, they must not have seen this scumslip, either. We can't all be mafia, right?
So, I think asking Awaclus to point out that scumslip so it can be assessed and analyzed by others isn't really giving anything away at all, because if it exists, then the vast majority of town isn't seeing it. But I guess that is just a big old magic trick from me trying to get Awaclus to townslip by letting us in on the secret. I musta be the mafia!
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quote fail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense.
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But I guess that is just a big old magic trick from me trying to get Awaclus to townslip by letting us in on the secret. I musta be the mafia!
That wouldn't be a townslip. But it's true that you must be mafia.
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quote fail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense.
no, it makes sense.
are you scumreading awaclus or criticizing his town play?
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quote fail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense.
no, it makes sense.
are you scumreading awaclus or criticizing his town play?
Neither. Just trying to understand it. If he continues to push this without giving us something and I get mislynched as a result of it, then I will be critical. If he is mafia, and gets away with it, then I will applaud.
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But I guess that is just a big old magic trick from me trying to get Awaclus to townslip by letting us in on the secret. I musta be the mafia!
That wouldn't be a townslip. But it's true that you must be mafia.
You didn't answer the more critical part of my question:
What is more compelling to me is whether town is guaranteed to also see these supposed scumslips. Given that no one else is voting for LA, they must not have seen this scumslip, either. We can't all be mafia, right?
Are the other 6 players who haven't seen this slip either as suspicious as I am?
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Interesting reactions from TWM, Awaclus, and LaLight.
Vote: TWM
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Interesting reactions from TWM, Awaclus, and LaLight.
Vote: TWM
First suspicious vote on my wagon.
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Vote Count 1.6
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (3): LaLight, Awaclus, e
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
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Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
I would rather not lynch myself but would rather not lynch you ethier so.
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Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
I would rather not lynch myself but would rather not lynch you ethier so.
Cool. That feels townie of you. I am not inclined to lynch schadd (who you are voting).
Maybe vote: 2.7
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Interesting reactions from TWM, Awaclus, and LaLight.
Vote: TWM
interesting is like the least interesting word in english
Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
I would rather not lynch myself but would rather not lynch you ethier so.
Cool. That feels townie of you.
is that, like, omguds?
I am not inclined to lynch schadd
since to heck when?
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rr, talk to us
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I am not inclined to lynch schadd
since to heck when?
My scumread on you was based on two things: a slightly suspicious early vote on lalight and your stance on IDPTG.
That has since dissipated someone as I felt your interrogation of Jake was effective and townier. Others have since become more suspicious.
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rr, talk to us
RR is here. Sort of a slower D1 for me honestly. I will probably lynch anyone besides you or me. Although I'd prefer not to lynch TWM, he's an option.
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Interesting reactions from TWM, Awaclus, and LaLight.
Vote: TWM
interesting is like the least interesting word in english
Enlightening reactions. Better? TWM seems to have an overly defensive and "I can't believe I could actually be lynched for this" mentality that I think scum would have here.
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It isn't that I can't believe it. It is that I legitimately don't know what it is. If you do, I would love to hear what it is, but it sounds like you are voting based off reaction, which to me is the scummy vote, as that is just a really weak, easy to fabricate reason to vote someone.
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Hi all. Sorry.. having a bit of a horrible hectic day. Will be back again tomorrow.
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Hi all. Sorry.. having a bit of a horrible hectic day. Will be back again tomorrow.
Which is the deadline.
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Hi all. Sorry.. having a bit of a horrible hectic day. Will be back again tomorrow.
Which is the deadline.
Ah crap. Sorry.. thanks for the reminder.
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Vote Count 1.6
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (3): LaLight, Awaclus, e
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Hahahahahahaha so I'm trying to review the votes and vote for whoever the people I think are town are voting for and I realize I'm not certain of anyone so that voting method isn't going to work D1.
I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
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Hmmmmm
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Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
I would rather not lynch myself but would rather not lynch you ethier so.
Cool. That feels townie of you. I am not inclined to lynch schadd (who you are voting).
Maybe vote: 2.7
Why 2.7?
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Vote Count 1.6
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (3): LaLight, Awaclus, e
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Hahahahahahaha so I'm trying to review the votes and vote for whoever the people I think are town are voting for and I realize I'm not certain of anyone so that voting method isn't going to work D1.
I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
That'll definitely workout, you'll see!
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Vote Count 1.6
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (3): LaLight, Awaclus, e
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Hahahahahahaha so I'm trying to review the votes and vote for whoever the people I think are town are voting for and I realize I'm not certain of anyone so that voting method isn't going to work D1.
I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
That'll definitely workout, you'll see!
What does that mean??!????
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Vote Count 1.6
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (1): kkrieg
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, The_Wine_Merchant
e (1): SpaceAnemone
The_Wine_Merchant (3): LaLight, Awaclus, e
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
Hahahahahahaha so I'm trying to review the votes and vote for whoever the people I think are town are voting for and I realize I'm not certain of anyone so that voting method isn't going to work D1.
I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
That'll definitely workout, you'll see!
What does that mean??!????
I mean I am not scum and TWM most likely is.
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I missed the blank. This will work out.
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
I think that's L-1, meaning the next vote lynches him. Usually, it's polite to point out that it's L-1 when you vote someone to L-1, to avoid accidental hammering by people who don't notice :-) That said, I've missed it off a few times totally by accident lately, so I won't scum-read you for it on this occasion!
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though? Are you voting just to consolidate wagons?
Oh, and on deadlines: I'm on UK time, so the 9pm forum time deadline is definitely after bedtime. Presumably LL and Awaclus are similarly disadvantaged. I'll keep checking in till I leave work around 2pm forum time, at which point I have a social commitment for a few hours, but I should be able to be back late if we haven't reached a consensus by then already.
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Well, I am basically at L-1 because Jake will obviously vote me over himself.
I would rather not lynch myself but would rather not lynch you ethier so.
Cool. That feels townie of you. I am not inclined to lynch schadd (who you are voting).
Maybe vote: 2.7
Why 2.7?
His vote on me was the scummier of the bunch. See my other posts.
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
As I have already mentioned, your playstyle started and continues looking like your scum playstyle. In fact I am getting the same vibes
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
Will you elaborate? I am definitely interested in this.
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
Will you elaborate? I am definitely interested in this.
later today
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
As I have already mentioned, your playstyle started and continues looking like your scum playstyle. In fact I am getting the same vibes
Meh. I call this fabricated. You gave one example. And a bad one.
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
As I have already mentioned, your playstyle started and continues looking like your scum playstyle. In fact I am getting the same vibes
Meh. I call this fabricated. You gave one example. And a bad one.
the fact that I can't give more precise examples is not a reason to call tis fabricated. Call it more of a gut feel and ggetting vibes. I swear, I just feel you're scum and I am pretty sure of it
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
As I have already mentioned, your playstyle started and continues looking like your scum playstyle. In fact I am getting the same vibes
Meh. I call this fabricated. You gave one example. And a bad one.
I have got a clear impression that first you tried to play differently from your previous games, but in the end you finished beeing the same.
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
Will you elaborate? I am definitely interested in this.
later today
remember, I am going to sleep in 8 hrs.
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I'm really a fan of voting LaLight but since the deadline is approaching I will vote: TWM. But LaLight is also voting TWM so that's weird.
What do you, personally, think is scummy about TWM, though?
I think it would be beneficial if everyone that is voting for me responded to this. Awaclus won't of course, and that is fine, but the others that don't adhere to his play style all could.
As I have already mentioned, your playstyle started and continues looking like your scum playstyle. In fact I am getting the same vibes
Meh. I call this fabricated. You gave one example. And a bad one.
the fact that I can't give more precise examples is not a reason to call tis fabricated. Call it more of a gut feel and ggetting vibes. I swear, I just feel you're scum and I am pretty sure of it
Well you are wrong. And I think you should be able to give examples. As this isn't a gut feel or vibes based from what you said. You say I am playing a more similar style to my previous mafia games. What examples of that statement do you have? Show a couple of posts from both games that demonstrate this. Like I said, you gave one example: that of me asking others why they are suspicious of me. But that isn't conclusive at all, as town I think is often wanting to know why others are suspicious of them.
Furthermore, you don't have a town-meta of me to read. You could be seeing my general personality and overall playstyle (which wouldn't be different whether I am town or mafia) and thinking it must be mafia because my previous two games were both as mafia. There is a lack of a control group. But if you continue with this, you will very soon get to see one, when I flip town.
Or, if you want to remove that statement and just say vibes and gut feel, then fine. But you can't have it both ways. Or, at least, I am going to call you out on it.
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Vote Count 1.7
schadd (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): RoadRunner7671, schadd
e (2): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant
The_Wine_Merchant (4): LaLight, Awaclus, e, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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I know I love to pull the "look at the hard data, there is no reason to think I am scum. All you have is a gut read" card
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what other kinds of cards are there?
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what other kinds of cards are there?
Ace of spades, queen of diamonds....all sorts. I actually have a very limited deck when it comes to mafia. The "give away passes" card, "claim IC" card (adopted from Robz), "lurking" card (I have intentionally not posted as scum because I thought if I posted I might mess up the current feel and outlook of the game), the "joke" card (obviously jokes are scummy....or are they?). Maybe more, but that is a good start. Problem is, I play some of these cards as town or scum. Like, it might appear like I am playing the "lurker" card when I am just busy and can't post. I almost always play the "joke" card. Haven't given away as many day passes recently....maybe I should pick that back up
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I think I could lynch TWM but I feel like 1 that wagon is scum driven and 2 there's no real reason to besides his "meta" and gut feelings. If there's anything else can someone who is voting him say why? Also I'll only be online till like 1:45 btw.
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I think I could lynch TWM but I feel like 1 that wagon is scum driven and 2 there's no real reason to besides his "meta" and gut feelings. If there's anything else can someone who is voting him say why? Also I'll only be online till like 1:45 btw.
"I feel like that wagon is scum driven."
Yet you are voting schadd, who is voting you. "That wagon is scum driven" is such a cop-out and hedgy response so that if TWM does flip town you can be absolved of responsibility. I could see myself switching to Jake if the opportunity presents itself
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To follow up: Jake, who is the scum driving the TWM wagon?
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To follow up: Jake, who is the scum driving the TWM wagon?
You, possibly LL
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Vote: Jake
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Vote: Jake
Lol
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To follow up: Jake, who is the scum driving the TWM wagon?
You, possibly LL
So why are you voting for schadd then? I am confused. Just read through all your posts and couldn't really figure it out. A very early vote. Nothing further to explain it. Just kind of sitting there. It is hard to come up with cases against town players as scum because you see them through a lense of already knowing that they are town.
Your "scum driven wagon" of me and LL feels very forced, like you were backed into a corner and had to pick someone.
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I know I love to pull the "look at the hard data, there is no reason to think I am scum. All you have is a gut read" card
I don't think that is what I am doing. I am asking him to distinguish between which one he is saying.
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I don't like RR's Jake vote.
I think he could have very easily stated intent to hammer on me, or at least edged toward that conclusion, given that he was the alternate wagon and not be given a second look or suspicion about it.
Self-preservation is a very easy place to hide as it is a legitimate town move. Jake could have hid behind that, but he didn't.
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Oh, RR was already voting for Jake. Well, I still don't like it.
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Oh, RR was already voting for Jake. Well, I still don't like it.
That's the third time he's voted me while already being on me
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To follow up: Jake, who is the scum driving the TWM wagon?
You, possibly LL
So why are you voting for schadd then? I am confused. Just read through all your posts and couldn't really figure it out. A very early vote. Nothing further to explain it. Just kind of sitting there. It is hard to come up with cases against town players as scum because you see them through a lense of already knowing that they are town.
Your "scum driven wagon" of me and LL feels very forced, like you were backed into a corner and had to pick someone.
I've said repeatedly that I think schadd is scum that's why I'm voting him. What wagon??? I literally just said you seem scummy and you call it a wagon?
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To follow up: Jake, who is the scum driving the TWM wagon?
You, possibly LL
So why are you voting for schadd then? I am confused. Just read through all your posts and couldn't really figure it out. A very early vote. Nothing further to explain it. Just kind of sitting there. It is hard to come up with cases against town players as scum because you see them through a lense of already knowing that they are town.
Your "scum driven wagon" of me and LL feels very forced, like you were backed into a corner and had to pick someone.
I've said repeatedly that I think schadd is scum that's why I'm voting him. What wagon??? I literally just said you seem scummy and you call it a wagon?
I was referring to the wagon on TWM
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Vote: 2.71828 I can probably change this later if need be but I'm happy with it here for now.
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Oh man, I am really going to have to rely on the ultra-towniness of IDPTG with all these votes. That's my problem when I am an IC- I play way too free and loose then go and get myself lynched
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e, can you explain to me my argument about you being town?
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Roadrunner, please, stop voting for Jake when you are already voting for him. thanks in advance
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I am here periodically for somewhat like an hour
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so, it's Jake (2), e (3), TWM (4)
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Oh man, I am really going to have to rely on the ultra-towniness of IDPTG with all these votes. That's my problem when I am an IC- I play way too free and loose then go and get myself lynched
This feels scummy as hell
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e, you are not the IC. Not at all. Only schadd tends to think so
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yes, I think.
Vote: e (L-1)
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I would prefer TWM over 2.7
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I would prefer TWM over 2.7
I would prefer both, actually. Let's put it that way, if you vote for TWM and I am not sleeping, I intent to hammer automatically, waiting for a claim.
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I would prefer TWM over 2.7
Whyz?
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I would prefer TWM over 2.7
Whyz?
I'd actually prefer nether, but IDPTG made an impact on me, and I don't see this lackadaisical attitude coming from scum!2.7
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e, can you explain to me my argument about you being town?
No, I cant. I need to go back and read it more thoroughly.
e, you are not the IC. Not at all. Only schadd tends to think so
Yes, I know I am not actually an IC.
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Ok, my wagon:
SA- voting for me because of my whole "defending jake" thing that I guess happened in my head only and not recorded in any speccy or anything anywhere
TWM and Jake are voting for me basically because I goaded them into voting for me.
LaLight is voting for me because....? Probably something to do with how I have been posting today
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Ok, just did a IDPTG-specific reread and yeah. Totally towny. Not voting for that guy
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This is kinda stressful.
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This is kinda stressful.
Welcome to forum mafia!
Also, hammer stats are a thing. The more hammers you have the better of a player you are. Doesn't even matter if they are town or scum, hammering is the most important thing
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Is hammering being the last vote to lynch...?
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Is hammering being the last vote to lynch...?
Yes. Just please don't do that on me. I am town, and hammering town sucks. You get this bad feeling in your stomach
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e, can you explain to me my argument about you being town?
Ok, did some reading. Basically everything that IDPTG posted after he was forced to /out due to reasons felt very towny, especially his looking forward to this game.
I agree with the others. I don't buy that it is as IC-creating as you think it is
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Is hammering being the last vote to lynch...?
Yes. Just please don't do that on me. I am town, and hammering town sucks. You get this bad feeling in your stomach
Wow I am completely convinced. No way e is scum because no one wants bad stomach feelings.
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Also, it is protocol to allow someone the opportunity to claim/provide final arguments as to why you shouldn't lynch them.
In my case, you won't get a claim and if you have questions feel free to ask. No need for any special "intent to hammer"
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Hamer stats aren't actually a thing
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Hamer stats aren't actually a thing
Then why keep track of them? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14311.msg547022#msg547022)
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But for an official "as good of a D1 defense as it gets without any real data" defense:
If I were scum I would have played the "lurker" card today probably. No reason to upset the apple cart when IDPTG was generally towny. Instead I went out and provoked some reactions. Some of those reactions came from extremely stream of conscious posts that were quickly proven inaccurate. Some of those were calling out people for their views. Do I need those reactions as scum? No. But to get into the game and get down to finding scum, I need those reactions as town.
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But for an official "as good of a D1 defense as it gets without any real data" defense:
If I were scum I would have played the "lurker" card today probably. No reason to upset the apple cart when IDPTG was generally towny. Instead I went out and provoked some reactions. Some of those reactions came from extremely stream of conscious posts that were quickly proven inaccurate. Some of those were calling out people for their views. Do I need those reactions as scum? No. But to get into the game and get down to finding scum, I need those reactions as town.
This reminds me of Robz. His move would be to not play lurky but to try to play actively townie so afterwards everyone would say "Robz isn't scum, if he were scum, he'd lurk". I believe you are capable of doing something similar.
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But for an official "as good of a D1 defense as it gets without any real data" defense:
If I were scum I would have played the "lurker" card today probably. No reason to upset the apple cart when IDPTG was generally towny. Instead I went out and provoked some reactions. Some of those reactions came from extremely stream of conscious posts that were quickly proven inaccurate. Some of those were calling out people for their views. Do I need those reactions as scum? No. But to get into the game and get down to finding scum, I need those reactions as town.
This reminds me of Robz. His move would be to not play lurky but to try to play actively townie so afterwards everyone would say "Robz isn't scum, if he were scum, he'd lurk". I believe you are capable of doing something similar.
Very true. And I fall for it every time when he does it.
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Like in M95
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But for an official "as good of a D1 defense as it gets without any real data" defense:
If I were scum I would have played the "lurker" card today probably. No reason to upset the apple cart when IDPTG was generally towny. Instead I went out and provoked some reactions. Some of those reactions came from extremely stream of conscious posts that were quickly proven inaccurate. Some of those were calling out people for their views. Do I need those reactions as scum? No. But to get into the game and get down to finding scum, I need those reactions as town.
This reminds me of Robz. His move would be to not play lurky but to try to play actively townie so afterwards everyone would say "Robz isn't scum, if he were scum, he'd lurk". I believe you are capable of doing something similar.
Very true. And I fall for it every time when he does it.
So why can't you just do the same here?
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Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
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Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
You may as well be scum!e trying to pull off scum!Robz move. I believe that much more actually
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Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
You may as well be scum!e trying to pull off scum!Robz move. I believe that much more actually
Clearly, considering your vote. However, that is not the case. I just have to convince everyone else.
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Working and wont be home until very late tonight so phone posting everything. Please be patient.
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Vote Count 1.8
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): RoadRunner7671, schadd
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (3): Awaclus, e, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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TWM and Jake are is voting for me basically because I goaded them him into voting for me.
Expand on this please.
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unvote
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I want at least a little bit to digest this. Mostly I am getting a scum feel from LA. Want to go back and see if that feeling corresponds to something a little more concrete and don't want 2.7 to potentially be hammered while I do.
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Also Space's vote on 2.7 is from a long, long time ago. Is their opinion on 2.7 the same given the new information? I would like to hear what they think about 2.7 in the current setting.
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I want at least a little bit to digest this. Mostly I am getting a scum feel from LA. Want to go back and see if that feeling corresponds to something a little more concrete and don't want 2.7 to potentially be hammered while I do.
Partner tell?
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I want at least a little bit to digest this. Mostly I am getting a scum feel from LA. Want to go back and see if that feeling corresponds to something a little more concrete and don't want 2.7 to potentially be hammered while I do.
Partner tell?
Man. Let me tell you something, but this attitude is making it really hard to play as town. And when this game is over and if you end up being town I am going to come back to this quote and we are going to have a conversation about it.
Because this just isn't good. Because as town, I shouldn't have to worry about whether every little thing I do is going to make other people jump up and shout out ridiculous accusations. No. I should be able to say these things as town and look into things as town and unvote if I feel uncomfortable about a lynch without worrying that someone like you is going to call it a tell and base it as a reason to vote. Cause right now, I feel like any post I make is one that you or someone else is going to jump on and get me mislynched for it. Right now I am more paranoid about what I post than the two games where I was mafia. That can't be good!
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PS: Just remembered LA's schadd/TWM/x mafia scum team comment.
Either he deliberately faked this, or he legitimately forgot this was a 9 player game with only 2 mafia. Can't see him forgetting as a mafia player.
Is LA someone to fake something like this?
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I want at least a little bit to digest this. Mostly I am getting a scum feel from LA. Want to go back and see if that feeling corresponds to something a little more concrete and don't want 2.7 to potentially be hammered while I do.
Partner tell?
Man. Let me tell you something, but this attitude is making it really hard to play as town. And when this game is over and if you end up being town I am going to come back to this quote and we are going to have a conversation about it.
Because this just isn't good. Because as town, I shouldn't have to worry about whether every little thing I do is going to make other people jump up and shout out ridiculous accusations. No. I should be able to say these things as town and look into things as town and unvote if I feel uncomfortable about a lynch without worrying that someone like you is going to call it a tell and base it as a reason to vote. Cause right now, I feel like any post I make is one that you or someone else is going to jump on and get me mislynched for it. Right now I am more paranoid about what I post than the two games where I was mafia. That can't be good!
Oh, I perfectly know what you are talking about. Being town is a hard work, because you do two jobs at once: trying to catch scum and trying to convince others you are not scum. Get used to it, I feel it the whole game too. See? You scumread me, others scumread me. I am really concerned about what I write.
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
awaclus: this is what his town play looks like, it is kind of not what his scum play looks like. in M94 he talked mess about how the narratives for his scum play are immaculate and his narrative for that game was rather uninteresting and maculate. this game he has just looked whatever. i would say he is near certainly town if either of lalight or twm is scum, since he's seemingly had no motive to action (even though he likes to bus. this setup is one of many that just sucks for scum with a d1 correct lynch 95% of the time, he would know that). additionally, that nothing has especially tipped me off makes me not want to lynch him today.
e: i still buy into the replacement thing, largely. idptg had no stake in the game for a long time and continued to post; as scum, one probably would just stop posting and try not to fuck anything up for one's replacement (idp especially, given his attitude towards playing town, and he would have perfect excuse to do so), whereas it is natural to just keep at it for town because that's what town does any other time, especially one not really under any suspicion. additionally, he dumped the card of "i have been excited to play this game" which, if a scum ploy, i think would be one that he has thought about, and one that he wouldn't want to waste on a game he was replacing out of.
e's play hasn't been exciting; i initially considered in asking him about the idptg thing that, if town, he would be more likely to consider himself IC if he personally understood and bought into the argument. but at the same time i would imagine if he were scum he would know it like the back of his hand. so, e is null in a town slot.
posting as i go because there's like a half hour
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lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
awaclus: this is what his town play looks like, it is kind of not what his scum play looks like. in M94 he talked mess about how the narratives for his scum play are immaculate and his narrative for that game was rather uninteresting and maculate. this game he has just looked whatever. i would say he is near certainly town if either of lalight or twm is scum, since he's seemingly had no motive to action (even though he likes to bus. this setup is one of many that just sucks for scum with a d1 correct lynch 95% of the time, he would know that). additionally, that nothing has especially tipped me off makes me not want to lynch him today.
e: i still buy into the replacement thing, largely. idptg had no stake in the game for a long time and continued to post; as scum, one probably would just stop posting and try not to fuck anything up for one's replacement (idp especially, given his attitude towards playing town, and he would have perfect excuse to do so), whereas it is natural to just keep at it for town because that's what town does any other time, especially one not really under any suspicion. additionally, he dumped the card of "i have been excited to play this game" which, if a scum ploy, i think would be one that he has thought about, and one that he wouldn't want to waste on a game he was replacing out of.
e's play hasn't been exciting; i initially considered in asking him about the idptg thing that, if town, he would be more likely to consider himself IC if he personally understood and bought into the argument. but at the same time i would imagine if he were scum he would know it like the back of his hand. so, e is null in a town slot.
posting as i go because there's like a half hour
3,5 hours to be precise
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Didn't see what I wanted to see.
Back to Vote: 2.7
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rr: the bp thing was the sort of needlessly provocative and faintly anti-town thing town!rr is way more likely to do (i think the short explanation is that he gets bored and is used to a climate of being scumread & mislynched); though i do believe he knows that such a thing ought to be considered towny from him, there is no guarantee this cast of characters is going to do that (and indeed he did get a lot of negative attention for it, at least early). since then, i have continued to get a sense of the bored d1 rr that dips in and reads people based on how he already knows them (this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688188#msg688188) is what i'm thinking of in specific).
rr is actually closer to the e/awaclus zone
kkrieg: still restrained, as is my read of her. depending on how much she is in fact a reflection of gkrieg's personality, though, that might just be entirely how she plays town (and probably scum as well, but still). mostly she has done a few things that would be rather unintuitive for a first-time scum performance on forum: this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688194#msg688194) in particular is just exactly how town feels there, and is the kind of emotional segue you see from experienced scum players (robz does this an asston, see end of m90) but it would be so hard to think to do unless you've seen people do it and get townread for it. a few other posts have given me this same impression.
i will now briefly be taking questions.
you, confused guy in the grody brown shirt?
Didn't see what I wanted to see.
Back to Vote: 2.7
from me? yeah, sorry. i don't know e very well. i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
yeah. you, in the pink house thing
3,5 hours to be precise
ah. that is different than what i thought
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I didn't see what I wanted to see in LA. There wasn't anything concrete, or at least anything specific I could mention, from LA aside from a slightly nervous gut feel about him.
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As in wanted to see to be able to vote him, that is.
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I m off to sleep. Pretty confident with my E vote. Good luck guys, let's lynch scum D1.
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i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
schadd seems to read me pretty well.
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I didn't see what I wanted to see in LA. There wasn't anything concrete, or at least anything specific I could mention, from LA aside from a slightly nervous gut feel about him.
Who is LA?
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i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
schadd seems to read me pretty well.
I just hope that someday I will actually push a lynch through on scum. Will that be today? I don't know. I hope so
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meant to add:
the kind of emotional segue you see from experienced scum players (robz does this an asston, see end of m90) but it would be so hard to think to do unless you've seen people do it and get townread for it.
one can see this in how i found twm way more personal in M96 than M91
now we enter the tobwrzn zone
space anna mone: hasn't tipped me off either way. i don't have any especially strong heuristics for them, and among the ones i do have i don't have any good results, thus i don't see any reason to spill the beans. supposedly they're a good scum player, idk
winey pants: here is where we see how uniquely shite it is to not know what someone's town play looks like. a lot of the ways he's described reasoning have mirrored M96:
PS: Just remembered LA's schadd/TWM/x mafia scum team comment.
Either he deliberately faked this, or he legitimately forgot this was a 9 player game with only 2 mafia. Can't see him forgetting as a mafia player.
Is LA someone to fake something like this?
kinda reminds me of
People who voted for Robz: Um. Has Robz not received a single vote all game? yeah, not a single vote all game. I wonder if that has ever happened before to make it to Day3 and not have a vote without being night killed or an IC or something (I don't know maybe it has and I am making a bigger deal out of this. But vote: Robz just to ruin the record.
ooh, {kinda neat observation}, does anyone know what to make of this?
but that might just be the way he does things. how would we know?
a couple other things: i kind of don't see him playing the "i don't actually know how to fucking do any of this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg687521#msg687521)" card for the first time on his third scum game. but maybe he saw "newbie" in the title and thought "hey, yeah!"
there is also a question of who to heck his partner is if scum, which we have the fortune of asking D1 in 9p. too many people would just be bussing uninterestingly: e, kkrieg, awaclus. lalight & twm would not want to be scum theatre-ing an argument, i think.. jake doesn't seem likely just because 408 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg687734#msg687734) would just be stupid ("townread you for townreading me" as seemingly the sole reason is silly and risky considering both of them are at considerable risk of being lynched)
i do have a couple other things i'm looking out for that haven't really gotten readings yet but i will always be kind of ok with lynching him, just because i had many different means of reading him fail in M96.
i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
schadd seems to read me pretty well.
babe, no i can't. you quote trimmed the part where i said i couldn't read you
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i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
schadd seems to read me pretty well.
babe, no i can't. you quote trimmed the part where i said i couldn't read you
Yeah, but the part where I just end up getting into "battles." TvT, TvM, whatever. I just end up in the argument. My creating controversy is not a town or scum tell, it just is. Actually, I think I do more of it as town.
Anyway, phone is dying. Will post more when I get home
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I didn't see what I wanted to see in LA. There wasn't anything concrete, or at least anything specific I could mention, from LA aside from a slightly nervous gut feel about him.
Who is LA?
LaLight
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jake: honestly,
[/size]Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
this is enough to do it for me.
something i find scumjake to be bad at is nuance and elaborate argument; there was a while where he just noted a bunch of different reasons that i was scum for the stuff i was doing. he has since not talked about me, in spite of seeming somewhat certain i was scum.
he has also not issued any townreads other than TWM.
lalight: it's just a bunch of little things that i will spend more time piecing together when the case is actually relevant (i am a bit time constrained rn)
Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
You may as well be scum!e trying to pull off scum!Robz move. I believe that much more actually
kind of reminds me of
hey fun fact, "mafia goon" is an anagram of "goof mania"
hm, actually this looks like you looked into your role pm after the start of the game. vot: schadd, I am serious.
in terms of tone/framing; "actually" as a kind of hamfisted way to suggest he came up with the reason organically/during the post
i sort of noted it at the time but 380 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg687602#msg687602) does not sound to me like how town treats someone they think is gonna flip red; town wants to keep arguing with them and try to make SvS look less likely in the event of a flip; he sorta seemed content to dump the reasons and hope other people agreed & voted (see: ww saying eevee looked like "scum trying to explain their way onto a mislynch" on joseph in M96)
lalight & jake are kinda chainsawing (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells#Chainsaw_Defense_.28Tarhalindur_Version.29) (jake turned on me around when i started to be more confident about ll, ll claimed a jake wagon is always scum-indicative, uh, having recently come out of ZM23)
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faaaarts
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jake: honestly, Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
this is enough to do it for me.
something i find scumjake to be bad at is nuance and elaborate argument; there was a while where he just noted a bunch of different reasons that i was scum for the stuff i was doing. he has since not talked about me, in spite of seeming somewhat certain i was scum.
he has also not issued any townreads other than TWM.
lalight: it's just a bunch of little things that i will spend more time piecing together when the case is actually relevant (i am a bit time constrained rn)
Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
You may as well be scum!e trying to pull off scum!Robz move. I believe that much more actually
kind of reminds me of
hey fun fact, "mafia goon" is an anagram of "goof mania"
hm, actually this looks like you looked into your role pm after the start of the game. vot: schadd, I am serious.
in terms of tone/framing; "actually" as a kind of hamfisted way to suggest he came up with the reason organically/during the post
i sort of noted it at the time but 380 does not sound to me like how town treats someone they think is gonna flip red; town wants to keep arguing with them and try to make SvS look less likely in the event of a flip; he sorta seemed content to dump the reasons and hope other people agreed & voted (see: ww saying eevee looked like "scum trying to explain their way onto a mislynch" on joseph in M96)
lalight & jake are kinda chainsawing (jake turned on me around when i started to be more confident about ll, ll claimed a jake wagon is always scum-indicative, uh, having recently come out of ZM23)
sorry, i don't have time to fix the links
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jake: honestly, [/size]Also TWM why are you voting me? Also schadd why are you so paniky about my one vote on you. It's almost like I found someone who is scum.
this is enough to do it for me.
something i find scumjake to be bad at is nuance and elaborate argument; there was a while where he just noted a bunch of different reasons that i was scum for the stuff i was doing. he has since not talked about me, in spite of seeming somewhat certain i was scum.
he has also not issued any townreads other than TWM.
lalight: it's just a bunch of little things that i will spend more time piecing together when the case is actually relevant (i am a bit time constrained rn)
Because I am town here, so I can't pull off a scum!Robz move
You may as well be scum!e trying to pull off scum!Robz move. I believe that much more actually
kind of reminds me of
hey fun fact, "mafia goon" is an anagram of "goof mania"
hm, actually this looks like you looked into your role pm after the start of the game. vot: schadd, I am serious.
in terms of tone/framing; "actually" as a kind of hamfisted way to suggest he came up with the reason organically/during the post
i sort of noted it at the time but 380 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg687602#msg687602) does not sound to me like how town treats someone they think is gonna flip red; town wants to keep arguing with them and try to make SvS look less likely in the event of a flip; he sorta seemed content to dump the reasons and hope other people agreed & voted (see: ww saying eevee looked like "scum trying to explain their way onto a mislynch" on joseph in M96)
lalight & jake are kinda chainsawing (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells#Chainsaw_Defense_.28Tarhalindur_Version.29) (jake turned on me around when i started to be more confident about ll, ll claimed a jake wagon is always scum-indicative, uh, having recently come out of ZM23)
This is definitely against the rules
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Also Space's vote on 2.7 is from a long, long time ago. Is their opinion on 2.7 the same given the new information? I would like to hear what they think about 2.7 in the current setting.
While I do think I'm appreciating where schadd's townread is coming from, I also observe that IDP wasn't a total newbie, so I don't think it's nearly IC-able on e. Certainly as we near the deadline (or bedtime, in my case), I'd rather leave my vote there than move to you or risk a no-lynch.
I've been doing a whole big long re-read for the past almost-hour to try to get my head firmly around what's going on..
A question for you while I'm still digesting my reads, though: what's your feeling about RR now? You seemed not to like his play at all early in the game, but lately your only comment has been that you didn't like his Jake vote, even though you hadn'd commented on his Jake vote the other times.
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This is definitely against the rules
Yes, and so presumably is quoting it! I think I've seen that error from schadd before, and I'm confident it's entirely unintentional.
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[quote author=SpaceAnemone link=topic=17134.msg688255#msg688255 date=1491954450
A question for you while I'm still digesting my reads, though: what's your feeling about RR now? You seemed not to like his play at all early in the game, but lately your only comment has been that you didn't like his Jake vote, even though you hadn'd commented on his Jake vote the other times.
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Just gonna answer this for him so that it's actually semi-understadnbale: Check the top of this page!
Quote fail
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This is definitely against the rules
Yes, and so presumably is quoting it!
It takes two to commit a crime.
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I didn't see what I wanted to see in LA. There wasn't anything concrete, or at least anything specific I could mention, from LA aside from a slightly nervous gut feel about him.
Who is LA?
LaLight
He's usually LL. I know he really doesn't like being called Lal, so maybe use LL rather than LA?
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Just gonna answer this for him so that it's actually semi-understadnbale: Check the top of this page!
Huh? I don't see what you mean. How many posts are you set to display per page?
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Just gonna answer this for him so that it's actually semi-understadnbale: Check the top of this page!
Huh? I don't see what you mean. How many posts are you set to display per page?
25 duh. Don't tell me you're a 50 post person.
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Just gonna answer this for him so that it's actually semi-understadnbale: Check the top of this page!
Huh? I don't see what you mean. How many posts are you set to display per page?
25 duh. Don't tell me you're a 50 post person.
I'm a 50-post person. Though I was an "all" person while re-reading. Anyway, rather than cluttering the thread talking about page layout, could you please just tell me what post you're trying to point out? I absolutely have to get to bed imminently, and if there's evidence I've overlooked I'd really like to know sooner rather than later.
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rr: the bp thing was the sort of needlessly provocative and faintly anti-town thing town!rr is way more likely to do (i think the short explanation is that he gets bored and is used to a climate of being scumread & mislynched); though i do believe he knows that such a thing ought to be considered towny from him, there is no guarantee this cast of characters is going to do that (and indeed he did get a lot of negative attention for it, at least early). since then, i have continued to get a sense of the bored d1 rr that dips in and reads people based on how he already knows them (this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688188#msg688188) is what i'm thinking of in specific).
rr is actually closer to the e/awaclus zone
kkrieg: still restrained, as is my read of her. depending on how much she is in fact a reflection of gkrieg's personality, though, that might just be entirely how she plays town (and probably scum as well, but still). mostly she has done a few things that would be rather unintuitive for a first-time scum performance on forum: this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg688194#msg688194) in particular is just exactly how town feels there, and is the kind of emotional segue you see from experienced scum players (robz does this an asston, see end of m90) but it would be so hard to think to do unless you've seen people do it and get townread for it. a few other posts have given me this same impression.
i will now briefly be taking questions.
you, confused guy in the grody brown shirt?
Didn't see what I wanted to see.
Back to Vote: 2.7
from me? yeah, sorry. i don't know e very well. i played one game with him, as scum, and i remembered him as the guy that i didn't bother with because he enshrined himself in so many TvTs
yeah. you, in the pink house thing
3,5 hours to be precise
ah. that is different than what i thought
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A question for you while I'm still digesting my reads, though: what's your feeling about RR now? You seemed not to like his play at all early in the game, but lately your only comment has been that you didn't like his Jake vote, even though you hadn'd commented on his Jake vote the other times.
I don't like his vote. But I don't necessarily find his vote scummy.
How do I put this? I guess I should just say that I disagree with his vote and read and wanted to share with him why I disagreed. But disagreeing with someone doesn't make them mafia.
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rr:
... you realise my question was addressed specifically at TWM, yes?
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I didn't see what I wanted to see in LA. There wasn't anything concrete, or at least anything specific I could mention, from LA aside from a slightly nervous gut feel about him.
Who is LA?
LaLight
He's usually LL. I know he really doesn't like being called Lal, so maybe use LL rather than LA?
I try to not use acronyms, but sometimes, when you are phone (well ipad posting in my case) autocorrect takes over and it is just better to leave it be.
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rr:
... you realise my question was addressed specifically at schadd, yes?
That's what I read.
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rr:
... you realise my question was addressed specifically at schadd, yes?
That's what I read.
I really hate it when people quote and change the content of what they're quoting. It feels really dishonest :-(
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Everyone should be a 50-post person. It is the only way to go.
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Okay, I think I'm going to leave my vote on e. I don't like the competing wagon (TWM) so much, and really the only person I'd be particularly keen on moving to is RR, but I kind of don't see that happening, and wagons on RR and Jake D1 feel like they're the kind of thing scum will be pushing all by themselves anyway. Good night all!
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vote: Jake
need to get a lynch through
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Oh wowie. I'll be around until deadline, please claim e.
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Vote Count 1.e
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, e
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
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Also, it is protocol to allow someone the opportunity to claim/provide final arguments as to why you shouldn't lynch them.
In my case, you won't get a claim and if you have questions feel free to ask. No need for any special "intent to hammer"
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Yeah I read that. But I'm tempted to policy hammer you just because you outright refuse to claim.
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which would be a mistake.
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"policy voting" is an absolute cop-out and about the worst thing you can do in a mafia game. Refusing to claim is about the weakest reason to policy vote someone, if policy voting were even a thing
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"policy voting" is an absolute cop-out and about the worst thing you can do in a mafia game. Refusing to claim is about the weakest reason to policy vote someone, if policy voting were even a thing
That sounds like your opinion, buddy.
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"policy voting" is an absolute cop-out and about the worst thing you can do in a mafia game. Refusing to claim is about the weakest reason to policy vote someone, if policy voting were even a thing
That sounds like your opinion, buddy.
Yes. But stated confidently as if it were a fact of life.
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How good do you think you are at reading me, 2.7?
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How good do you think you are at reading me, 2.7?
And I don't mean whether I'm town or scum, I mean like knowing what I'm thinking/how I'll react.
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Also, it is protocol to allow someone the opportunity to claim/provide final arguments as to why you shouldn't lynch them.
In my case, you won't get a claim and if you have questions feel free to ask. No need for any special "intent to hammer"
Will you softclaim?
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How good do you think you are at reading me, 2.7?
And I don't mean whether I'm town or scum, I mean like knowing what I'm thinking/how I'll react.
Probably not the best. I do think that my recent refusal to post is running on a razor-blade of getting a reaction of "screw it, even if he is town I am lynching him" reaction. Which I like to live life on the edge. But I don't really know.
Either way, I don't like going back on my word. I stated I wasn't going to claim, it isn't happening.
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Did you expect me to townread you because of the way you answered this?
Oh wowie. I'll be around until deadline, please claim e.
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Just got home from work so I need to read everything.
Super stoked to lynch so there are fewer people to keep track of.
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Did you expect me to townread you because of the way you answered this?
Oh wowie. I'll be around until deadline, please claim e.
No. I didn't expect my answer to affect you one way or the other.
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Okay. Not only do I not intend to hammer, but I intend to tunnel anyone hardcore who does. If e is scum here I can never trust my ability to read him again.
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Just got home from work so I need to read everything.
Super stoked to lynch so there are fewer people to keep track of.
^^town
and you should vote for Jake
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and you should vote for Jake
Dude you're right! Vote: Jake
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Just got home from work so I need to read everything.
Super stoked to lynch so there are fewer people to keep track of.
^^town
and you should vote for Jake
Stop encouraging him! You should vote e
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Can someone post a new vote count?
I don't want to switch my vote and accidentally "hammer" someone and have everyone hate me.
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Vote Count 1.e
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, e
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
This is still up to date!
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Can someone post a new vote count?
I don't want to switch my vote and accidentally "hammer" someone and have everyone hate me.
Everybody will forgive you if you "accidentally" hammer e
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If you hammer e I will never forgive you until the end of the game.
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Vote Count 1.e
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, e
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
This is still up to date!
Thank you RR! I think I'm still sticking with TWM....
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If you hammer e I will never forgive you until the end of the game.
true sportsmanship am I right
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Not a bad choice. Not my favorite, but better than one of the alternatives.
Keep in mind though, we have 15 minutes, so you might possibly want to consider settling with someone else (not e).
PPE
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If you hammer e I will never forgive you until the end of the game.
true sportsmanship am I right
I am 90-93% sure that he is town, so I'm definitely going to defend him.
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I would rather no lynch than vote for jake.
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We only have 15 minutes, I can go back to TWM or stay on Jake. Whichever we are able to get the 5 votes needed on
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I would rather no lynch than vote for jake.
Really? Have you explained this or do I need to ask you to 'pls explain.'
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I think jake is town. I have already explained why.
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I would rather no lynch than vote for jake.
Well, obviously. Lynching your partner D1 is a really bad for scum
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I would rather no lynch than vote for jake.
Well, obviously. Lynching your partner D1 is a really bad for scum
Don't be irrational.
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It was just set up too nicely. I had to post that
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Vote: Jake
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I think jake is town. I have already explained why.
You may think I'm town, but I know I am
I also know that e is scum and someone should hammer him
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Vote: Jake
Vote Jake
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I mean, what is even the point of you saying that? It adds nothing to the game, is pure speculation and makes me want to stop engaging with you.
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Vote: Jake
That's a mistake. May I ask why?
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Vote: Jake
Vote Jake
Doing this because I think e is town and would much rather lynch Jake. I believe he is L-1.
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Vote: Jake
Vote Jake
Doing this because I think e is town and would much rather lynch Jake. I believe he is L-1.
Forgot the colon Vote: Jake
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I feel cranky today. Sorry if that is rubbing off.
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Oh man this flavor of ice cream 🍦 is soooo good
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I also know that e is scum
How? Why?
PPE 2
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Cool. No lynch it is.
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Btw you should definitely lynch E tomorrow
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Cool. No lynch it is.
Congrats your signature is finally right.
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Unless awaclus wants to come save the day. But he would probably just keep voting me out of spite.
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Oh man this flavor of ice cream 🍦 is soooo good
@TWM, you'd still rather no lynch?
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Oh man this flavor of ice cream 🍦 is soooo good
@TWM, you'd still rather no lynch?
I'm good with a No lynch unless we can lynch e (very much preferable.)
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I think Jake is town. See previous post(s)
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
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If you can. Br stubborn, why can't I be stubborn?
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Then vote for e
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
No someone would get NKed
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Someone will die during the night
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I don't like RR's Jake vote.
I think he could have very easily stated intent to hammer on me, or at least edged toward that conclusion, given that he was the alternate wagon and not be given a second look or suspicion about it.
Self-preservation is a very easy place to hide as it is a legitimate town move. Jake could have hid behind that, but he didn't.
I think there wasn't really that much pressure on Jake. L-1 with no intent to hammer in a game with 9 people isn't that bad.
PPE 3
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Someone will die during the night
What no comment on the claim??
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Someone will die during the night
What no comment on the claim??
He's not gonna claim.
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Someone will die during the night
What no comment on the claim??
What claim?
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KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
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What claim?
He wants the softball.
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I don't like RR's Jake vote.
I think he could have very easily stated intent to hammer on me, or at least edged toward that conclusion, given that he was the alternate wagon and not be given a second look or suspicion about it.
Self-preservation is a very easy place to hide as it is a legitimate town move. Jake could have hid behind that, but he didn't.
I think there wasn't really that much pressure on Jake. L-1 with no intent to hammer in a game with 9 people isn't that bad.
PPE 3
Just as solid as your point about e. more so actually
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Cool. No lynch it is.
This would be tragic. Still would have just as many people to keep track of.
Someone will die during the night
What no comment on the claim??
What claim?
Man theirs always someone who doesn't see my claims. There great
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I don't like RR's Jake vote.
I think he could have very easily stated intent to hammer on me, or at least edged toward that conclusion, given that he was the alternate wagon and not be given a second look or suspicion about it.
Self-preservation is a very easy place to hide as it is a legitimate town move. Jake could have hid behind that, but he didn't.
I think there wasn't really that much pressure on Jake. L-1 with no intent to hammer in a game with 9 people isn't that bad.
PPE 3
Just as solid as your point about e. more so actually
No, e's town because of our exchange a few minutes ago in regards to him claiming and his ability to read me.
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KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
I REALLY WANT TO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EXCITING.
But also trying to play the game well and vote for scum and not just for funsies you know.
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Lame
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KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
I REALLY WANT TO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EXCITING.
But also trying to play the game well and vote for scum and not just for funsies you know.
Thanks for taking a page out of gkrieg's book and not the reckless book.
PPE-I know.
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KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
I REALLY WANT TO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EXCITING.
But also trying to play the game well and vote for scum and not just for funsies you know.
Yeah but the great thing is that he is scum!! ;D
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Vote: e
Not the first time I have lynched town at the buzzer to get a lynch through. Lynching D1 is critical
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Literally typed out to vote jake. But I won't back down to peer pressure. But klieg totally should!
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Jake, Just because you say something over and over again doesn't make it true
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Vote: e
Not the first time I have lynched town at the buzzer to get a lynch through. Lynching D1 is critical
Lol wow no it's not.
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Vote: e
Not the first time I have lynched town at the buzzer to get a lynch through. Lynching D1 is critical
Dude what the hell
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Dude that's really uncool.
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I think that was a bad move.
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You were confirmed town
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Dude that's really uncool.
Really is.
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But props for being willing to do it. Hope I am wrong that it was a bad move.
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You were confirmed scum
Fixed
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What the hell
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Vote: e
Not the first time I have lynched town at the buzzer to get a lynch through. Lynching D1 is critical
You can vote for yourself? Is this a joke? Someone help a girl out.
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You were confirmed scum
Fixed
You really still think he's scum? Oh my god
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Vote: e
Not the first time I have lynched town at the buzzer to get a lynch through. Lynching D1 is critical
You can vote for yourself? Is this a joke? Someone help a girl out.
Sure can!
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What the hell
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You were confirmed scum
Fixed
You really still think he's scum? Oh my god
While now I doubt it.
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At least kkrieg and I are confirmed town.
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Schadd too.
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And Awaclus is super duper towny.
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At least kkrieg and I are confirmed town.
How is that? These types of posts are anything but helpful.
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THREAD LOCKED!
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Final Vote Count
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
2.71828..... has been lynched! He was Pretty Good Flavor Name, a Vanilla Townie.
With 9 alive it took 5 to lynch. Night 1 ends Thursday April 13 at 9pm forum time.
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TEPROC
(aside) He speaks.
O, speak again, bright angel! For thou art
As glorious to this night, being o'er my head,
As is a wingèd messenger of heaven
Unto the white, upturnèd, wondering eyes
Of mortals that fall back to gaze on him
When he bestrides the lazy-puffing clouds
And sails upon the bosom of the air.
F.DS COMMUNITY
O Teproc, Teproc! Wherefore art thou Teproc?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name.
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I’ll no longer be conf!town.
TEPROC
(aside) Shall I hear more, or shall I speak at this?
-excerpt from "The Art of the Teproc", Act 2, Scene 2
Day 2 starts now!
Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting ( 8 ): kkrieg, LaLight, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, schadd, Roadrunner7671
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 starts now and ends Thursday April 20 at 9pm forum time.
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YAY! I survived the night.
So did no one die? That's cool.
So I was thinking that everyone who didn't switch their vote to e (and had the opportunity to do close to the deadline) is town.
If scum were in that position, they would jump ship and vote e to lynch town. So that thinking would mean me (obvs), RR, and TWM are town.
BUT if e and jake are both town, mafia wouldn't care who got lynched between e and jake. so they would just wait for someone else to switch their vote.
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I don't know if this is the right time to do this, but with my VLA I guess I should.
I jailkept LaLight last night. I am a bit torn on whether this means he is mafia or town that was going to be killed, but I am leaning toward mafia.
It is a 50/50 chance, but if we lynch wrong I don't know if we learn anything.
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I thought about the same thing kkrieg, but not sure I agree.
At least about you, I could see new mafia being really hesitant to be a hammer there.
You could have applied the same to me. I had a strong town read on jake and wasn't going to switch there, if I did I think that would have been suspicious.
And same with RR. He had strong read on 2.7. If he switched after that it would have been suspicious.
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Oh man. I am dumb. There is a chance the kill didn't work because of a potential 1shot bulletproof.
So maybe I should have held off from claiming. Shit.
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So maybe I should have held off from claiming. Shit.
you maybe should have.
i maybe should have posted a "ok, nobody claim yet, let's work things out; here is what i think you should do if you are __" after i saw the no death thing
i would have pushed for a bp claim today either way i think. it's really fortunate that you got a PR just because you are one of the more difficult people to read (and sorta look scummy from the wagon yesterday, i guess? depending on jake)
first thing is that any doctor, tracker or cop should obviously claim here, but i doubt that's the case.
i suggest everyone:
-say whether they counterclaim twm (if it comes down to it, claim your role specifically & result). if you are a doctor, don't do this; let the other role do it and then protect them if they aren't the lynch.
-claim bulletproof or not bulletproof. if we don't find a bulletproof, we kill lalight. snowball's chance in hell he was the nightkill. even if there is a bp claim, i would still push this maybe unless it's one of rr, awaclus, maybe kkrieg. i don't think anyone on wagon would be the nk.
i do not cc TWM, i am not bulletproof.
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Not BP
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Not BP
u r probably scum then amirite
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in the interim, who wants to try to lampshade/deny the fact that i tried to IC a townie at a time where nobody knew who was gonna take the place of the slot, and 4 people ignored it and lynched him anyway? here are some ideas:
-i knew that e was gonna replace in and i had predicted that he would play in a way that would get him scumread if he thought he was IC
-i knew that 5 different ways of explaining it/pieces of evidence would be enough to prevent the lynch, which is why i only did 4
-i had spent the entirety of idp's replacement limbo furiously PMing andrew to add a rule against posting after applying to replace out, and the whole thing was just trying to get him to keep posting so that he would eventually get gotcha modkilled
as long as we're here, who can think of a way to lampshade the fact that lalight was the first one to speak out against it? i'm having a bit of writer's block there
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I know. I am sorry. Hope it all works out. Since I am gone the next three days I thought it best to get it out there in case you guys decided to be crazy and do a short day or something, but I suppose that would have been unlikely.
So sorry if I screwed u. I'll be back on Monday. I would suggest waiting until I am back before lynching so I can give thoughts and such.
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nah, don't worry. it's only so bad just because we know what we're dealing with, and there's a reasonable likelihood that there isn't a bp (and if i had indeed pushed for that claim and we found there wasn't one, i probably would have recommended a jk claim if they had targeted somebody on wagon)
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i think this is very likely a town win (always sunny theme)
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Maybe this is super noob but could people spell out their acronyms....?
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VLA
vacation/limited access
i do not cc TWM
i do not counterclaim the wine merchant. counterclaim is when you claim a role that makes another claimed role impossible (i.e. narrow down to one of the two of you being scum)
PR
power role (i.e. not vanilla townie)
Not BP
there's a reasonable likelihood that there isn't a bp
bulletproof
IC
innocent child: a role (not in this setup) where the mod says "{person} is innocent child," i.e. town, at the start of the game. this is often just used to refer to somebody confirmed town either by setup, somehow (for example, if everyone declines to counterclaim TWM, he would be called IC) or simply by some especially strong argument from day play
furiously PMing andrew
private messaging
i probably would have recommended a jk claim
jailkeeper (what twm claimed)
any that i missed?
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also:i suggest everyone:
-say whether they counterclaim twm (if it comes down to it, claim your role specifically & result). if you are a doctor, don't do this; let the other role do it and then protect them if they aren't the lynch.
-claim bulletproof or not bulletproof. if we don't find a bulletproof, we kill lalight. snowball's chance in hell he was the nightkill. even if there is a bp claim, i would still push this maybe unless it's one of rr, awaclus, maybe kkrieg. i don't think anyone on wagon would be the nk.
do you get why i want you to do this? does it seem fair?
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I am not ccing TWM. Crap, this looks bad for me and I don't think I can talk myself out of it. Okay, with no kill, town is anyway in a good position, so lynch me fwiw, but give me time to share thoughts. Thank you!
PPE: 1
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also:i suggest everyone:
-say whether they counterclaim twm (if it comes down to it, claim your role specifically & result). if you are a doctor, don't do this; let the other role do it and then protect them if they aren't the lynch.
-claim bulletproof or not bulletproof. if we don't find a bulletproof, we kill lalight. snowball's chance in hell he was the nightkill. even if there is a bp claim, i would still push this maybe unless it's one of rr, awaclus, maybe kkrieg. i don't think anyone on wagon would be the nk.
do you get why i want you to do this? does it seem fair?
well, I agree with the plan. No way I can prove I am town. Damnation.
Is there a chance scum would skip the NK to WIFOM someone? Have scum known here's the jailkeeper?
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you can figure that out yourself my guy
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ugh I hae the position I am in
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l0l
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oh so you made your claim about knowing what i did in M90 before you read about me in M90, I guess thats better than you reading and blatantly misrepresenting but ugh if you are town, clue for next time don't assume the person pushing you is scum and not mount a clear defense because you think they won't listen...and if you are going to omgus them definitely have good reasons.
"ugh" is bad emotions. shame on you
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8688663#p8688663
look at the bottom of point 3
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oh so you made your claim about knowing what i did in M90 before you read about me in M90, I guess thats better than you reading and blatantly misrepresenting but ugh if you are town, clue for next time don't assume the person pushing you is scum and not mount a clear defense because you think they won't listen...and if you are going to omgus them definitely have good reasons.
"ugh" is bad emotions. shame on you
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8688663#p8688663
look at the bottom of point 3
but I am not native, what is the difference between ugh and eh? Also i woke up 10 minutes ago give me time :D
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uh, one of them is a default and non-revealing expression of displeasure, the other one is, like, a different thing
you can't fake emotions early in the morning is what you're saying?
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uh, one of them is a default and non-revealing expression of displeasure, the other one is, like, a different thing
you can't fake emotions early in the morning is what you're saying?
I always thought, they're like similar.
No, I can't always formulate foreign sentences early in the morning. Anyway emotions are not fake too.
You remember that several times when I wrote a weird post in the morning which was completely scummy? Like in Portal Mafia for one.
Anyway. the stance is that: I am not scum, I have no single idea wtf happened, I believe TWM and i am ready to be lynched the second time in my life.
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I have no single idea wtf happened, I believe TWM
how can this be?
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I have no single idea wtf happened, I believe TWM
how can this be?
1) when i was scum in previous games I always was evaluating the idea to not NK so town would go the wrong way
2) scum forgot to submit a NK? that's Newbie game, anything might happen
3) obvious variant
4) someone still may come counterclaim
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1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
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1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
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we still haven't heard from everyone
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incidentallyi am ready to be lynched the second time in my life.
you may want to have another crack at this statement
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incidentallyi am ready to be lynched the second time in my life.
you may want to have another crack at this statement
what?
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I'm neither bulletproof nor counterclaiming TWM.
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I'm neither bulletproof nor counterclaiming TWM.
Do you still think he's scum?
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I'm neither bulletproof nor counterclaiming TWM.
Do you still think he's scum?
I don't think there's any point in making any guesses in regards to that before we've heard from everyone.
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Hey, this is looking good!
I'm not BP, and nor and I counterclaiming TWM :-)
I'm also whatever the opposite of VLA is for the easter weekend... I'm more free that usual! Well, I'm in my office working even though it's a holiday, but that's virtuous enough to allow me more latitude than I had over the past week for checking f.ds...
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I think that means TWM is a IC unless kkrieg is counterclaiming him.
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lalight, may we have a readlist?
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Camp site got rained out, so I now unexpectedly have crappy hotel wifi. I'll be on intermittently at nights.
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o nooo!
but cool
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
i think we should wait for lalight to give reads before we talk about whomst to lynch
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i do have a handful of thoughts about that eod tho
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eod
end of day
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Sorry - super busy with work today.
I'm not counterclaiming TWM and I am not 1 shot bulletproof
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sick. thanx
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honestly i think jk/goons is the coolest of the setups
and has the highest town winrate. which is nice
incidentally,well, I agree with the plan. No way I can prove I am town.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
Hypothetically, would you die to ICify one person?
Two?
Three?
Four?
Everyone but the two scum?
Where's the cutoff for you, hypothetically?
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To me right now two of RR, LL, and Awaclus are scum. TWM is a IC. schadd is now towny. SA seems towny. kkrieg is null.
Probably want to go for LL today.
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
elabor8 pls
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
elabor8 pls
Because everyone was or is on me or 2.7. Also by that reasoning that means the IC is not confirmed town because he was on 2.7. Also why do we have to lynch me today?
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
elabor8 pls
Because everyone was or is on me or 2.7. Also by that reasoning that means the IC is not confirmed town because he was on 2.7. Also why do we have to lynch me today?
My post literally explains that. It gives different groups of people massive towncred.
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I am trying to figure out a way to signal to you all who I am going to jail keep tonight, in the event I die.
I guess I can state that if we lynch scum I will JK x, as if there is a kill (on me) that would mean x is town.
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Guys we have to lynch Jake. If he's scum, then schadd, kkrieg, TWM, me, and I think someone else are confirmed town. If he's town, then everyone who wasn't on either 2.7 or Jake are confirmed town.
That whole reasoning is just screwy.
elabor8 pls
Because everyone was or is on me or 2.7. Also by that reasoning that means the IC is not confirmed town because he was on 2.7. Also why do we have to lynch me today?
My post literally explains that. It gives different groups of people massive towncred.
So by your logic everyone who wasn't here:
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
or here:
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
is confirmd town. That leaves only awaclus who I don't think has been towny. By that logic it means that the IC (TWM) who was on E is not confirmed town. How does your post explain that? It doesn't explain anything except be completely wrong and make me think your more scummy. Calling a RR/awaclus scum team by this because scum!RR knows I will flip town. This post asserts that anyone off of me and 2.7's lynch is conf town which would only be awaclus. Almost like scum trying to make their partner seem more towny.
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I am trying to figure out a way to signal to you all who I am going to jail keep tonight, in the event I die.
I guess I can state that if we lynch scum I will JK x, as if there is a kill (on me) that would mean x is town.
You should JK awaclus tonight.
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I am trying to figure out a way to signal to you all who I am going to jail keep tonight, in the event I die.
I guess I can state that if we lynch scum I will JK x, as if there is a kill (on me) that would mean x is town.
You should JK awaclus tonight.
I'll figure that out myself thank you very much.
Also toying with the idea of not lynching Lalight today. But want to think on it some more.
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
If Jake is town, it gets more interesting. Actually, does it? Even if Jake is town, 2.7 was just so much more likely to get lynched, so I would still give massive town points to the people listed above. So my lynch pool just got cut in half.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
Disagree. You need to stop using the words confirmed town the way you are.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
If Jake is town, it gets more interesting. Actually, does it? Even if Jake is town, 2.7 was just so much more likely to get lynched, so I would still give massive town points to the people listed above. So my lynch pool just got cut in half.
So your giving town points to people who off wagon right? Its wayyyyy more likely that scum would be off wagon knowing that both of the possible lynches would be town. I am doing the opposite. I think everyone on the e wagon is towny. (3 are already conf!town to me at least with SA very likely to be town in my eyes.) That leaves LL (on wagon), You (off), awaclus (way off), Schadd (off) and kkrieg (off). Now I think schadd is town and kkrieg seems sorta towny. That leaves LL, Awaclus and RR. Now I give LL the benefit of the doubt here when he say he was the NK
1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
That's because if I was scum that's who I would target. (Looked towny D1 and was never really had any chance of being called out for being scum D1) That leaves Awaclus and you (RR). It's called POE or Process of Elimination.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
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THen vote for me or Awaclus Jake.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Yes but if you know he's town you can fiercely defend him and claim town cred (like your doing now) for it and cast blame on more town to get more mislynches from it.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
That's not scum!RR for you, I'll tell you that. Especially for 2.7, he'd see right through that.
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Look. I am.notnsaying you are über suspicious for what you did. I just refuse to bestow confirmed town status on you. That shouldn't be something you have a hard time accepting.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
That's not scum!RR for you, I'll tell you that. Especially for 2.7, he'd see right through that.
Oh yeah use dead players as witness of chacter. lol
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Look. I am.notnsaying you are über suspicious for what you did. I just refuse to bestow confirmed town status on you. That shouldn't be something you have a hard time accepting.
It is though. I'm giving out town points like candy, which you can call dangerous, expect 2.7 gave us a big ass basket of candy.
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
That's not scum!RR for you, I'll tell you that. Especially for 2.7, he'd see right through that.
Question then, how would 2.7 be able to tell it was scumRR and not townRR as you say you were doing? Why wasn't he more suspicious of you for reverse tunneling him then?
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Look. I am.notnsaying you are über suspicious for what you did. I just refuse to bestow confirmed town status on you. That shouldn't be something you have a hard time accepting.
It is though. I'm giving out town points like candy, which you can call dangerous, expect 2.7 gave us a big ass basket of candy.
Vote: RR
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
That's not scum!RR for you, I'll tell you that. Especially for 2.7, he'd see right through that.
Oh yeah use dead players as witness of chacter. lol
Why don't you reread some scum!RR games and look at the people I've white knighted and how I've white knighted them instead of making comments like this.
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
I forgot about the posts he made at dawn where he said he wasn't BP. Never mind.
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
why do u want that
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
why do u want that
I think he'd partially agree with me
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
why do u want that
I think he'd partially agree with me
Of course your partner would
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Attn: post 692
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Calling a RR/awaclus scum team
I'm glad we've moved on from OMGUS.
In reality though, you seem to have forgotten how fiercly I defended 2.7. Who was town, by the way.
So that means you could not have moved onto 2.7 without loking really bad, so that doesn't have much bearing on your alignment.
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Cause that is never something mafia might do?
That's not scum!RR for you, I'll tell you that. Especially for 2.7, he'd see right through that.
Question then, how would 2.7 be able to tell it was scumRR and not townRR as you say you were doing? Why wasn't he more suspicious of you for reverse tunneling him then?
I don't know. I guess he has a good enough ability to read me, or he just felt I was towny. Had I been scum, I would've approached this differently, and I think 2.7 knows that.
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1. kkrieg
Behaves as a newb!newb, can't tell if scum or not. May be both ways, I usually struggle to read people I haven't played with.
2. LaLight - IC, you know
3. Awaclus - either he is very townie or imitates his town play really well. Again, may be both ways, but I probably do not want to lynch him.
4. SpaceAnemone - massive town vibes. Yes, yes, may be imitated. I am sorry my reads are mostly crap. It's that stage of the game where everyone seems scummy to me unregarding anything.
5. The Wine Merchant
IC
7. JaketheBaseballGod22 - here we come into much scummier field. Jake feels very careful with posting and now he starts to tunnel people who may or may not be his partners. But he's not the one I want to lynch today.
8. schadd - Here we go, Scummy McScum Scummelson. I look at schadd's post and activity level and it rings all the alarm bells I have. schadd loves being VT, he said in Mafia Hub it's his favorite role and his behaviour in this game does seem like he is trying as hard as he can to seem just a VT. But it's a good gisguised scum play as I see it and I can't get away from this feeling.
9. Roadrunner7671 - quite a good candidature for being schadd's partner. Reverse tunneling is a thing that really helps you get towncred. Given that we had wagons on TWM/Jake/2.7 in the EoD, given that RR supposedly knew they all may be were town, he could easily protect E, because anyway the town will be lynched. Now the town is lynched, RR has townpoints, voila. I don't believe the plan, I don't believe RR.
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I want Awaclus to say something. Prod: Awaclus
something
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3. Awaclus - either he is very townie or imitates his town play really well. Again, may be both ways, but I probably do not want to lynch him.
he has uh not had that much content this game. can you point to any post that you are impressed by in the event that he's scum?
It's that stage of the game where everyone seems scummy to me unregarding anything.
it seems as though that has been much of the game for you.
7. JaketheBaseballGod22 - here we come into much scummier field. Jake feels very careful with posting and now he starts to tunnel people who may or may not be his partners. But he's not the one I want to lynch today.
can you point to where he's been careful with posting and can you explain how "tunneling people who may or may not be his partners" is anything indicative?
8. schadd - Here we go, Scummy McScum Scummelson. I look at schadd's post and activity level and it rings all the alarm bells I have. schadd loves being VT, he said in Mafia Hub it's his favorite role and his behaviour in this game does seem like he is trying as hard as he can to seem just a VT. But it's a good gisguised scum play as I see it and I can't get away from this feeling.
what is the difference between imitating vt and being vt while posting &c
Reverse tunneling is a thing that really helps you get towncred.
yes, because it's a townie thing to do. it turns out that scum doesn't like having people be town. if, say, scum!rr convinced TWM to vote e over jake and jake flipped town, rr can't join a popular lynch on e the next day (it's not likely that e would be the nightkill, and a lot of people would probably suspect him for having a town counterwagon, in addition to whatever people scumread him for yesterDay). that's the thing about being scum, is that you want to try to keep your options open. the reason why people ask for readlists so often and why it's kind of a scumtell to have a lot of null/scumreads (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg684019#msg684019) is because townreads are people that will make you suspicious if you try to lynch them. incidentally, that heuristic is not helping you here.
as well, assuming rr scum needs to assume jake town, then, which i would think you'd be hesitant to do.
can you give a good argument as to why you would be the nightkill?
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Wow, lots of this game is happening while I'm asleep, so apologies that my thoughts are coming in a little asynchronously.
I think it's certainly true that Jake is playing more carefully than his previous self, but I'd like to attribute that to his maturing as a player, and not necessarily scumread him for it. I kind of like that while RR is keen to go after Jake, Jake isn't actually being that OMGUSy.
They're both displaying flawed reasoning, though. @Jake, at #673 you seem to imply that TWM shouldn't be an IC because he's not ICd by wagon analysis, ignoring the fact that he's been ICd by the role claims. And @RR, you seem to be implying that no partner of Jake's could ever bus him, which is a dangerous mindset to get into if he is scum.
Oh, and reading back over the end of D1, I think e was being well-intentioned, and doesn't really deserve the criticism he seems to have been given for it. Wagon analysis is a nice tool to have, and there are only four of us on there now. However, it would have been much neater if TWM had gotten his vote on Jake in there first, since Jake's the one on whom suspicion was really growing. Too many people on e were just locked in by the timing, so I think the still-growing wagon deserved more attention.
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Oh, and by "locked in", I just mean that LL wend to bed at post #503, Awaclus disappeared at #505, and my "good night" post was #529. At the point I left, the competing wagon was still TWM, with three active votes to e's four.
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Jake's partners would bus him. However, why would they do that when they could switch to the 2.7 wagon to get a pretty easy mislynch?
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Jake's partners would bus him. However, why would they do that when they could switch to the 2.7 wagon to get a pretty easy mislynch?
Are you telling me that nobody we can see on Jake's wagon has a penchant for dramatic last-minute voting? The self-hammer by e was clearly unexpected by everyone who was still around at the time.
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Jake's partners would bus him. However, why would they do that when they could switch to the 2.7 wagon to get a pretty easy mislynch?
Are you telling me that nobody we can see on Jake's wagon has a penchant for dramatic last-minute voting? The self-hammer by e was clearly unexpected by everyone who was still around at the time.
Why wouldn't someone just be like 'screw it, we need a lynch, Vote: e'
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For the benefit of newer players, RR has a bit of a history of voting at the last possible moment for dramatic effect.
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Ah, @Jake, on the off-chance you are town, I don't mean to cause any offense when I say that I'm sad TWM hadn't hammered you!
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Jake's partners would bus him.
oo i made this same townslip last game
For the benefit of newer players
there will be a show right there
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Jake's partners would bus him.
oo i made this same townslip last game
For the benefit of newer players
there will be a show right there
That's not a townslip.
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For the benefit of newer players, RR has a bit of a history of voting at the last possible moment for dramatic effect.
Don't tell me you thought I was gonna vote 2.7...
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Jake's partners would bus him.
oo i made this same townslip last game
For the benefit of newer players
there will be a show right there
That's not a townslip.
how not?
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Jake's partners would bus him.
oo i made this same townslip last game
For the benefit of newer players
there will be a show right there
That's not a townslip.
how not?
Oh, you think it's a slip because I said partners. Never mind. I thought you thought it was a slip because I said 'Jake's partners' instead of 'Roadrunner7671.'
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
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Interactions with 2.7!
Schadd thinking that IDPTG was subbing out because he was scum is slightly scummy on schadd.
IDP/e (3 posts from e, 17 from IDP) -- leaning townish for meta reasons, though I think schadd's narrative makes that look more cut-and-dried that it is. Need to keep an eye on e.
This is towny.
but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
for the defending jake thing?
But then this is scummy on space, the vote is slightly scummy but the unanswered question by scahdd is more scummy.
oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
I mean thanks for defending me but that was just bad.
This seems sort of off to me. Slight scum points for Jake.
lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
Towny from schadd.
I think I could lynch TWM but I feel like 1 that wagon is scum driven and 2 there's no real reason to besides his "meta" and gut feelings. If there's anything else can someone who is voting him say why? Also I'll only be online till like 1:45 btw.
"I feel like that wagon is scum driven."
Yet you are voting schadd, who is voting you. "That wagon is scum driven" is such a cop-out and hedgy response so that if TWM does flip town you can be absolved of responsibility. I could see myself switching to Jake if the opportunity presents itself
Even though this isn’t really an interaction with 2.7, I still think he brings up a good point, so scummy on Jake.
Vote: 2.71828 I can probably change this later if need be but I'm happy with it here for now.
More scumminess. I think he only did this because 2.7 called him out and it was sort of ‘2.7 doesn’t agree with me so he must be scum,’ which is an awful argument.
Oh man, I am really going to have to rely on the ultra-towniness of IDPTG with all these votes. That's my problem when I am an IC- I play way too free and loose then go and get myself lynched
This feels scummy as hell
But now the tables are turned, and it is you who is scummy for saying this!
yes, I think.
Vote: e (L-1)
The best justification I can find for this is that 2.7 called himself an IC, which is a bad reason to vote.
PS: Just remembered LA's schadd/TWM/x mafia scum team comment.
Either he deliberately faked this, or he legitimately forgot this was a 9 player game with only 2 mafia. Can't see him forgetting as a mafia player.
Is LA someone to fake something like this?
Forgot about Lalight’s town slip. I thought it was towny at the time, but a comment like x/y/z is easier to fake then just saying something about 3 mafia. So, 2.7 interactions aside, I’m scummier on LaLight.
e: i still buy into the replacement thing, largely. idptg had no stake in the game for a long time and continued to post; as scum, one probably would just stop posting and try not to fuck anything up for one's replacement (idp especially, given his attitude towards playing town, and he would have perfect excuse to do so), whereas it is natural to just keep at it for town because that's what town does any other time, especially one not really under any suspicion. additionally, he dumped the card of "i have been excited to play this game" which, if a scum ploy, i think would be one that he has thought about, and one that he wouldn't want to waste on a game he was replacing out of.
e's play hasn't been exciting; i initially considered in asking him about the idptg thing that, if town, he would be more likely to consider himself IC if he personally understood and bought into the argument. but at the same time i would imagine if he were scum he would know it like the back of his hand. so, e is null in a town slot.
More town on schadd.
Vote Count 1.e
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, e
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
This is still up to date!
Thank you RR! I think I'm still sticking with TWM....
Wowie you’re a townie.
Yeah but the great thing is that he is scum!! ;D
For the most part I think Jake’s tunneling of 2.7 is actually towny, but this isn’t to me. Mostly because of the emote.
Literally typed out to vote jake. But I won't back down to peer pressure. But klieg totally should!
I haven’t made a post on TWM because he’s an ‘IC,’ but this is such crap.
You were confirmed scum
Fixed
This is scummy as well.
You were confirmed scum
Fixed
You really still think he's scum? Oh my god
While now I doubt it.
Especially because he posted this like two minutes after. What changed in two minutes? Or is Jake just trying to save face as scum? I’d imagine Jake would think his tunneling was scummy if 2.7 flipped town, so as scum he’s flip his position.
And tha’s it. So schadd and kkrieg get townier, Jake and LaLight get scummier, SA is pretty null, and TWM made me sad.
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
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I'm posting a Jake reread later where I compare him to that game where he was a Doctor that EFHW was in, Portal Mafia and Kubo.
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
In general, do you think I'm going to tell you?
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
In general, do you think I'm going to tell you?
I think it would be scummy of you to withhold reads when asked.
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
In general, do you think I'm going to tell you?
I think it would be scummy of you to withhold reads when asked.
You think wrong, it's towny and pro-town.
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How the hell could that possibly not be anti town?
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Giving scum information helps scum.
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So we should never say anything because it'll give scum info?
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So we should never say anything because it'll give scum info?
Really your gonna try to get awaclus to give reads?
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Wow, lots of this game is happening while I'm asleep, so apologies that my thoughts are coming in a little asynchronously.
I think it's certainly true that Jake is playing more carefully than his previous self, but I'd like to attribute that to his maturing as a player, and not necessarily scumread him for it. I kind of like that while RR is keen to go after Jake, Jake isn't actually being that OMGUSy.
They're both displaying flawed reasoning, though. @Jake, at #673 you seem to imply that TWM shouldn't be an IC because he's not ICd by wagon analysis, ignoring the fact that he's been ICd by the role claims. And @RR, you seem to be implying that no partner of Jake's could ever bus him, which is a dangerous mindset to get into if he is scum.
Oh, and reading back over the end of D1, I think e was being well-intentioned, and doesn't really deserve the criticism he seems to have been given for it. Wagon analysis is a nice tool to have, and there are only four of us on there now. However, it would have been much neater if TWM had gotten his vote on Jake in there first, since Jake's the one on whom suspicion was really growing. Too many people on e were just locked in by the timing, so I think the still-growing wagon deserved more attention.
I said the opposite at 673. I was saying that by RR's conf town strategy it would mean that the IC was not conf town. I was using this example to point out how his strategy was flawed.
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
Super scummy
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So here if my thought about Lalight and not lynching him today.
We already have the info from today. It is not going away. La was either the killer or the person being killed.
If he stays alive and is town mafia isn't going to kill him. He is too good of a mislynch tomorrow opportunity.
What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
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Oh shoot that only works if we lynch scum tonight otherwise the other scum player could just perform the scum kill and kill me easy peasy.
Lt me think on this more, but if anyone has ideas to add toot let me know.
I especially want awaclus input to make sure we aren't giving undue info to mafia as that is his mantra.
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So here if my thought about Lalight and not lynching him today.
We already have the info from today. It is not going away. La was either the killer or the person being killed.
If he stays alive and is town mafia isn't going to kill him. He is too good of a mislynch tomorrow opportunity.
What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
I think he was the actual NK target so I definitely don't think we should lynch him.
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Well I JKed him cause I thought he was scummy so I don't have your complete confidenc in that.
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I don't think it's a confirmed townslip. It's possible that he'd make that slip as scum (if he knows that Jake is town, he could subconsciously not include Jake himself in the hypothetical scum team when talking about his partners) and it's super easy to fake.
In general, do you think I'm towny or scummy?
Super scummy
That wasn't addressed to you, but thanks. Care to explain why?
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So here if my thought about Lalight and not lynching him today.
We already have the info from today. It is not going away. La was either the killer or the person being killed.
If he stays alive and is town mafia isn't going to kill him. He is too good of a mislynch tomorrow opportunity.
What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
I think he was the actual NK target so I definitely don't think we should lynch him.
What makes you think that?
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Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
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So here if my thought about Lalight and not lynching him today.
We already have the info from today. It is not going away. La was either the killer or the person being killed.
If he stays alive and is town mafia isn't going to kill him. He is too good of a mislynch tomorrow opportunity.
What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
I think he was the actual NK target so I definitely don't think we should lynch him.
What makes you think that?
Did you even read my case on you where I explained why I think your scummy, why I think LL would be the NK and why you and awaclus make really good sense as partners.
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Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Please stop.
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Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Please stop.
Why because I'm right?
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
If Jake is town, it gets more interesting. Actually, does it? Even if Jake is town, 2.7 was just so much more likely to get lynched, so I would still give massive town points to the people listed above. So my lynch pool just got cut in half.
So your giving town points to people who off wagon right? Its wayyyyy more likely that scum would be off wagon knowing that both of the possible lynches would be town. I am doing the opposite. I think everyone on the e wagon is towny. (3 are already conf!town to me at least with SA very likely to be town in my eyes.) That leaves LL (on wagon), You (off), awaclus (way off), Schadd (off) and kkrieg (off). Now I think schadd is town and kkrieg seems sorta towny. That leaves LL, Awaclus and RR. Now I give LL the benefit of the doubt here when he say he was the NK
1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
That's because if I was scum that's who I would target. (Looked towny D1 and was never really had any chance of being called out for being scum D1) That leaves Awaclus and you (RR). It's called POE or Process of Elimination.
I guess you're talking about this. Your assumption that scum would be off wagon is a huge one and one that can only be made if we all know you're town. However, even if we did know you're town, you don't explain why scum would be off wagon at all.
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Interactions with 2.7!
Schadd thinking that IDPTG was subbing out because he was scum is slightly scummy on schadd.
IDP/e (3 posts from e, 17 from IDP) -- leaning townish for meta reasons, though I think schadd's narrative makes that look more cut-and-dried that it is. Need to keep an eye on e.
This is towny.
but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
for the defending jake thing?
But then this is scummy on space, the vote is slightly scummy but the unanswered question by scahdd is more scummy.
oh another thingI always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?
you uh weren't in any of jake's three scum games
hmm. That is interesting. Maybe I was just in the speccy thinking he is town when he flipped scum.
I doubt it because my first game as scum (my first game in general) M87 the town figured out I was scum like 1/4 of the way through D1 so I doubt that this applies there, my next scum game M94 was impossible for this to be true because it was a flawless scum win so no flips, ZM23 was almost the same as M87 where by the end of D1 all three scum were trying to bus each other (to no avail) so I doubt it was true there so where does this apply?
I mean thanks for defending me but that was just bad.
This seems sort of off to me. Slight scum points for Jake.
lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
Towny from schadd.
I think I could lynch TWM but I feel like 1 that wagon is scum driven and 2 there's no real reason to besides his "meta" and gut feelings. If there's anything else can someone who is voting him say why? Also I'll only be online till like 1:45 btw.
"I feel like that wagon is scum driven."
Yet you are voting schadd, who is voting you. "That wagon is scum driven" is such a cop-out and hedgy response so that if TWM does flip town you can be absolved of responsibility. I could see myself switching to Jake if the opportunity presents itself
Even though this isn’t really an interaction with 2.7, I still think he brings up a good point, so scummy on Jake.
Vote: 2.71828 I can probably change this later if need be but I'm happy with it here for now.
More scumminess. I think he only did this because 2.7 called him out and it was sort of ‘2.7 doesn’t agree with me so he must be scum,’ which is an awful argument.
Oh man, I am really going to have to rely on the ultra-towniness of IDPTG with all these votes. That's my problem when I am an IC- I play way too free and loose then go and get myself lynched
This feels scummy as hell
But now the tables are turned, and it is you who is scummy for saying this!
yes, I think.
Vote: e (L-1)
The best justification I can find for this is that 2.7 called himself an IC, which is a bad reason to vote.
PS: Just remembered LA's schadd/TWM/x mafia scum team comment.
Either he deliberately faked this, or he legitimately forgot this was a 9 player game with only 2 mafia. Can't see him forgetting as a mafia player.
Is LA someone to fake something like this?
Forgot about Lalight’s town slip. I thought it was towny at the time, but a comment like x/y/z is easier to fake then just saying something about 3 mafia. So, 2.7 interactions aside, I’m scummier on LaLight.
e: i still buy into the replacement thing, largely. idptg had no stake in the game for a long time and continued to post; as scum, one probably would just stop posting and try not to fuck anything up for one's replacement (idp especially, given his attitude towards playing town, and he would have perfect excuse to do so), whereas it is natural to just keep at it for town because that's what town does any other time, especially one not really under any suspicion. additionally, he dumped the card of "i have been excited to play this game" which, if a scum ploy, i think would be one that he has thought about, and one that he wouldn't want to waste on a game he was replacing out of.
e's play hasn't been exciting; i initially considered in asking him about the idptg thing that, if town, he would be more likely to consider himself IC if he personally understood and bought into the argument. but at the same time i would imagine if he were scum he would know it like the back of his hand. so, e is null in a town slot.
More town on schadd.
Vote Count 1.e
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, e
e (4): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight
The_Wine_Merchant (2): Awaclus, kkrieg
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday April 11 at 9pm forum time.
This is still up to date!
Thank you RR! I think I'm still sticking with TWM....
Wowie you’re a townie.
Yeah but the great thing is that he is scum!! ;D
For the most part I think Jake’s tunneling of 2.7 is actually towny, but this isn’t to me. Mostly because of the emote.
Literally typed out to vote jake. But I won't back down to peer pressure. But klieg totally should!
I haven’t made a post on TWM because he’s an ‘IC,’ but this is such crap.
You were confirmed scum
Fixed
This is scummy as well.
You were confirmed scum
Fixed
You really still think he's scum? Oh my god
While now I doubt it.
Especially because he posted this like two minutes after. What changed in two minutes? Or is Jake just trying to save face as scum? I’d imagine Jake would think his tunneling was scummy if 2.7 flipped town, so as scum he’s flip his position.
And tha’s it. So schadd and kkrieg get townier, Jake and LaLight get scummier, SA is pretty null, and TWM made me sad.
Wait so you think I'm scum because I used a emote. I can go back and find at least 5 posts where I used emotes in EVERY SINGLE ONE of my games.
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
If Jake is town, it gets more interesting. Actually, does it? Even if Jake is town, 2.7 was just so much more likely to get lynched, so I would still give massive town points to the people listed above. So my lynch pool just got cut in half.
So your giving town points to people who off wagon right? Its wayyyyy more likely that scum would be off wagon knowing that both of the possible lynches would be town. I am doing the opposite. I think everyone on the e wagon is towny. (3 are already conf!town to me at least with SA very likely to be town in my eyes.) That leaves LL (on wagon), You (off), awaclus (way off), Schadd (off) and kkrieg (off). Now I think schadd is town and kkrieg seems sorta towny. That leaves LL, Awaclus and RR. Now I give LL the benefit of the doubt here when he say he was the NK
1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
That's because if I was scum that's who I would target. (Looked towny D1 and was never really had any chance of being called out for being scum D1) That leaves Awaclus and you (RR). It's called POE or Process of Elimination.
I guess you're talking about this. Your assumption that scum would be off wagon is a huge one and one that can only be made if we all know you're town. However, even if we did know you're town, you don't explain why scum would be off wagon at all.
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Wait so you think I'm scum because I used a emote. I can go back and find at least 5 posts where I used emotes in EVERY SINGLE ONE of my games.
Glad you focused on the most important part of my reread. And it's not the fact that you used an emote, it's the fact that you used the emote that is smugly grinning.
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JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
If Jake is mafia, then RR, schadd, kkrieg and Awaclus are confirmed town. I think we can all agree on this.
If Jake is town, it gets more interesting. Actually, does it? Even if Jake is town, 2.7 was just so much more likely to get lynched, so I would still give massive town points to the people listed above. So my lynch pool just got cut in half.
So your giving town points to people who off wagon right? Its wayyyyy more likely that scum would be off wagon knowing that both of the possible lynches would be town. I am doing the opposite. I think everyone on the e wagon is towny. (3 are already conf!town to me at least with SA very likely to be town in my eyes.) That leaves LL (on wagon), You (off), awaclus (way off), Schadd (off) and kkrieg (off). Now I think schadd is town and kkrieg seems sorta towny. That leaves LL, Awaclus and RR. Now I give LL the benefit of the doubt here when he say he was the NK
1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
That's because if I was scum that's who I would target. (Looked towny D1 and was never really had any chance of being called out for being scum D1) That leaves Awaclus and you (RR). It's called POE or Process of Elimination.
I guess you're talking about this. Your assumption that scum would be off wagon is a huge one and one that can only be made if we all know you're town. However, even if we did know you're town, you don't explain why scum would be off wagon at all.
Why is it way more likely that scum would be off wagon? That's just opening a can of WIFOM, but if you look at other games, it's rare that the entire scum team is off wagon on a mislynch, especially D1.
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1) sux. if there's a cop (1 in 3) it's a huge waste, any setup with a protective it gives a chance of getting a false inno/guilty but consider that you doc someone you already think they're town and jk is also just an intensification of a read you already had
2) no
3) what?
4) cool. you said you believe him though
3) I was the NK target
4) Yes, I mean I believe him if there's no counterclaim in which case I will consider
That's because if I was scum that's who I would target. (Looked towny D1 and was never really had any chance of being called out for being scum D1) That leaves Awaclus and you (RR). It's called POE or Process of Elimination.
oh, just saw this. you mean, other than:
2. LaLight: Posting a lot and I feel like he's trying to figure out too many things this early in the game without enough information (except I feel really bad about this because you quoted Wonderwall earlier so you must be a good guy?). He also started the kkrieg vote which (is fine) is scummy because of my impressive mafia history. And he feels like Schadd is scummy but I just don't get that read at all.
Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
TWM and LaLight are both on my scummy radar.
lynch preference
jake = lalight > twm = space > kkrieg = rr > e = awaclus
and post-hoc, but still:
Well I JKed him cause I thought he was scummy so I don't have your complete confidenc in that.
and also the fact that he super pushed against a townie being IC'd and then went on to vote that townie to lynch, which nobody other than me has seemed to give a shit about
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Please stop. Remember M92 and how this sort of hint totally played into mafia's hands?
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Sorry. M91
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Time to look at Jake!
First, I want to look at Kubo Mafia:
Yeah sorry but I think that RR may be scum here. I also dislike the idea of lynching LL because just by a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
Jake was scum, and he wanted to lynch me but keep LaLight around. Could this be because I tend to scum read him and LaLight tends to town read him? Keep in mind that in this game, Lalight was his partner.
because just by a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
Jake uses poor reasoning as scum.
Yeah
First, Jake expresses agreement.
sorry
Then, he apologizes. That's called appealing to emotion.
I think
In the game where TWM, mcmc and I were scum, mcmc gave TWM some newbie scum advice: Always say 'I' and never say 'you,' because you'll sound less accusatory.
may
Not committing himself so he can still seem innocent/on the fence.
RR may be scum here.
Scum is going to agree with literally any wagon on any towny because we're at MyLo. If a newbie player is on/supporting of a wagon, it should be regarded with more suspicion than usual. And I'm not calling Jake a newbie to Mafia, I'm calling a newbie to an Ashersky setup.
I also
He says I again!
also
Expresses agreement again.
a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
This argument is invalid and I strongly suspect Jake knows that.
I doubt
He says I yet again.
(M94 etc)
Even with his invalid argument, he only gives one example of LaLight being scum 'so many games in a row.'
Conclusion: Jake is scum.
ppe LOTS
Ok hold up did RR just make a scum arugement against me because I use the word I a lot. This is ridiculous
Jake focuses only on the weak parts of a case and not on any other part of the case as scum.
I think I like the SA lynch most so for now Vote: SA
This could be Jake sidling onto the "quick"-hammer. I'm seriously town!
Or it could be Jake voting for who he thinks is scum
Jake is snarky as scum.
I would be open to a mass claim.
Jake likes it when people claim when he’s scum.
Ok hold up awaclus your case is bull I WANT TO LYNCH A BETTLE. I've never said otherwise.
As scum, Jake uses capital letters to get his point across.
Now let’s look at this game:
Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Jake uses poor reasoning this game.
Wait so you think I'm scum because I used a emote. I can go back and find at least 5 posts where I used emotes in EVERY SINGLE ONE of my games.
In this game, Jake only focuses on the weak part of this case and not on any other parts.
Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Please stop.
Why because I'm right?
Jake has been snarky this game (I could find more examples of this).
Also, it is protocol to allow someone the opportunity to claim/provide final arguments as to why you shouldn't lynch them.
In my case, you won't get a claim and if you have questions feel free to ask. No need for any special "intent to hammer"
Will you softclaim?
Jake likes it when people claim this game.
KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
Jake has used capital letters this game to get his point across.
I’ll look at Portal Mafia later, but for nome I’m gonna Vote: Jake
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like, of the last bunch of non-RMM n1 kills:
M97: lalight, the one town off wagon
M96: ashersky, off wagon
M95: the wagon (though the day ended in no lynch), claimed JK
M94: gkrieg (off wagon, townread me, scumread mcmc), targeted but dylan bodyguarded
M93: no lynch but mcmc, who was off the major town wagon, was killed
M92: calamitas was on scumwagon, had claimed a PR of some sort
M91: calamitas was on wagon, but 2 scum were off & all the stronger townies were on wagon. gkrieg was like "why didn't i die?"
M90: gkrieg was on wagon but was also gkrieg
NM9: ditto
NM8: zigaton was off wagon & was a cop (dunno if he had claimed)
n1 kills are generally one of {off-wagon, gkrieg, calamitas}, and it helps to be scumreading scum; lalight's big non-e reads eod were TWM (jk) and me (i mean, i'm town, y'know?)
Please stop. Remember M91* and how this sort of hint totally played into mafia's hands?
as long as you use your discretion as to picking whomst to jk, we're fine. i also don't know what you're referring to and probably fucked up whatever it was, l0l. lynching scum is the priority over whatever wifom happens toNight
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Referring to jake and RR going back and forth like in M91. Reads and talking are fine but don't hijack the whole thread. Don't want to inhibit, but don't be a distraction.
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ah ok nvm
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Referring to jake and RR going back and forth like in M91. Reads and talking are fine but don't hijack the whole thread. Don't want to inhibit, but don't be a distraction.
Weren't you and me scum together that game?
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as the mod: yes!
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Referring to jake and RR going back and forth like in M91. Reads and talking are fine but don't hijack the whole thread. Don't want to inhibit, but don't be a distraction.
Weren't you and me scum together that game?
Yes. And it was very helpful as scum. It allowed me to zero in on jake and ignore everything else.
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Time to look at Jake!
First, I want to look at Kubo Mafia:
Yeah sorry but I think that RR may be scum here. I also dislike the idea of lynching LL because just by a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
Jake was scum, and he wanted to lynch me but keep LaLight around. Could this be because I tend to scum read him and LaLight tends to town read him? Keep in mind that in this game, Lalight was his partner.
because just by a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
Jake uses poor reasoning as scum.
Yeah
First, Jake expresses agreement.
sorry
Then, he apologizes. That's called appealing to emotion.
I think
In the game where TWM, mcmc and I were scum, mcmc gave TWM some newbie scum advice: Always say 'I' and never say 'you,' because you'll sound less accusatory.
may
Not committing himself so he can still seem innocent/on the fence.
RR may be scum here.
Scum is going to agree with literally any wagon on any towny because we're at MyLo. If a newbie player is on/supporting of a wagon, it should be regarded with more suspicion than usual. And I'm not calling Jake a newbie to Mafia, I'm calling a newbie to an Ashersky setup.
I also
He says I again!
also
Expresses agreement again.
a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
This argument is invalid and I strongly suspect Jake knows that.
I doubt
He says I yet again.
(M94 etc)
Even with his invalid argument, he only gives one example of LaLight being scum 'so many games in a row.'[/b]
Conclusion: Jake is scum.
ppe LOTS
Ok hold up did RR just make a scum arugement against me because I use the word I a lot. This is ridiculous
Jake focuses only on the weak parts of a case and not on any other part of the case as scum.
I think I like the SA lynch most so for now Vote: SA
This could be Jake sidling onto the "quick"-hammer. I'm seriously town!
Or it could be Jake voting for who he thinks is scum
Jake is snarky as scum.
I would be open to a mass claim.
Jake likes it when people claim when he’s scum.
Ok hold up awaclus your case is bull I WANT TO LYNCH A BETTLE. I've never said otherwise.
As scum, Jake uses capital letters to get his point across.
Now let’s look at this game:
Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Jake uses poor reasoning this game.
Wait so you think I'm scum because I used a emote. I can go back and find at least 5 posts where I used emotes in EVERY SINGLE ONE of my games.
In this game, Jake only focuses on the weak part of this case and not on any other parts.
Is 719-726 a fake fight between partners to try and make themselves seem more separate? I mean I'm 99% sure RR knows by now that awaclus never gives his reads because he believes it to be anti town so why were those posts like that then. I mean we discussed that earlier in D1.
Please stop.
Why because I'm right?
Jake has been snarky this game (I could find more examples of this).
Also, it is protocol to allow someone the opportunity to claim/provide final arguments as to why you shouldn't lynch them.
In my case, you won't get a claim and if you have questions feel free to ask. No need for any special "intent to hammer"
Will you softclaim?
Jake likes it when people claim this game.
KKRIEG 5 MINUTES TO VOTE E LIKE THIS Vote: 2.71838
Jake has used capital letters this game to get his point across.
I’ll look at Portal Mafia later, but for nome I’m gonna Vote: Jake
Ok i use capital letters to get my point across. As scum I would want to stay out of the spotlight so I wouldn't use dramatic caps.
YOU HAVE USED THE BOLDED CASE AGAINST ME BEFORE IN OTHER GAMES WTF.
Btw I do like massclaims especially when everybody in the game wants to massclaim. Also where in this game have I suggested a massclaim? I suggested that e claimed because if he claimed a Pr I wouldn't have wanted to lynch him D1. (duh)
Btw I'm snarky pretty much all the time not just when i'm scum.
And i'm not focusing on the "weak parts of the case" when its a reread and that was most of your case which wasn't even on me.
Also why are you comparing with a blitz game instead of comparing with a recent game where I was scum (M94) and played completely differently. Also if I remember right you were scum in M91 and only targeted me (like now). OMG I just read some of M91 and your just like it now. Vote: RR
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Ok i use capital letters to get my point across. As scum I would want to stay out of the spotlight so I wouldn't use dramatic caps.
uh.
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dibs on hammer toDay
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btw
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But...but you did use capital letters as scum...
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And i'm not focusing on the "weak parts of the case" when its a reread and that was most of your case which wasn't even on me.
That is exactly what you did. i had multiple 'points' against you and all you talked about was your emoji.
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OMG I just read some of M91 and your just like it now. Vote: RR
Then make a post like I did! Don't withhold information! If you really want my lynch, share your findings and let us discuss them!
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my favorite thing is that there's 2 spaces before that sentence because he's like "how can i make it seem like time passed between these two things"
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Also why are you comparing with a blitz game instead of comparing with a recent game where I was scum (M94) and played completely differently. Also if I remember right you were scum in M91 and only targeted me (like now). OMG I just read some of M91 and your just like it now. Vote: RR
This is my favorite part.
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And i'm not focusing on the "weak parts of the case" when its a reread and that was most of your case which wasn't even on me.
That is exactly what you did. i had multiple 'points' against you and all you talked about was your emoji.
That's exactly what your doing with mine!!!!
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scumma lumma duma lumma u assumin i'm a human what i gotta do to get it through to you i'm superhuman
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And i'm not focusing on the "weak parts of the case" when its a reread and that was most of your case which wasn't even on me.
That is exactly what you did. i had multiple 'points' against you and all you talked about was your emoji.
That's exactly what your doing with mine!!!!
I responded to everything I thought I needed to. For example, I didn't respond to the part about you bolding a case I've used before because you didn't bold anything.
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Whatever lynch me if you really think i'm scum but then lynch RR tommorow at Mylo and when I'm right lynch awaclus the day after.
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dibs on hammer
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lynch me
It's settled!
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And i'm not focusing on the "weak parts of the case" when its a reread and that was most of your case which wasn't even on me.
That is exactly what you did. i had multiple 'points' against you and all you talked about was your emoji.
That's exactly what your doing with mine!!!!
I responded to everything I thought I needed to. For example, I didn't respond to the part about you bolding a case I've used before because you didn't bold anything.
Whoops sorry this part
Yeah
First, Jake expresses agreement.
sorry
Then, he apologizes. That's called appealing to emotion.
I think
In the game where TWM, mcmc and I were scum, mcmc gave TWM some newbie scum advice: Always say 'I' and never say 'you,' because you'll sound less accusatory.
may
Not committing himself so he can still seem innocent/on the fence.
RR may be scum here.
Scum is going to agree with literally any wagon on any towny because we're at MyLo. If a newbie player is on/supporting of a wagon, it should be regarded with more suspicion than usual. And I'm not calling Jake a newbie to Mafia, I'm calling a newbie to an Ashersky setup.
I also
He says I again!
also
Expresses agreement again.
a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
This argument is invalid and I strongly suspect Jake knows that.
I doubt
He says I yet again.
(M94 etc)
Even with his invalid argument, he only gives one example of LaLight being scum 'so many games in a row.'
Conclusion: Jake is scum.
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L0L
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Um...how have I used it against you more than once? It was in my case because of your response to it.
PPE
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lynch me
It's settled!
If you can provide a good reasoning for my last post then I'll even self vote
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L0L
oh i thought something was supposed to be bolded again
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lynch me
It's settled!
If you can provide a good reasoning for my last post then I'll even self vote
What do you want me to address that you feel like I haven't already addressed?
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lynch me
It's settled!
If you can provide a good reasoning for my last post then I'll even self vote
no heck off with that mess
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Um...how have I used it against you more than once? It was in my case because of your response to it.
PPE
Yeah
First, Jake expresses agreement.
sorry
Then, he apologizes. That's called appealing to emotion.
I think
In the game where TWM, mcmc and I were scum, mcmc gave TWM some newbie scum advice: Always say 'I' and never say 'you,' because you'll sound less accusatory.
may
Not committing himself so he can still seem innocent/on the fence.
RR may be scum here.
Scum is going to agree with literally any wagon on any towny because we're at MyLo. If a newbie player is on/supporting of a wagon, it should be regarded with more suspicion than usual. And I'm not calling Jake a newbie to Mafia, I'm calling a newbie to an Ashersky setup.
I also
He says I again!
also
Expresses agreement again.
a numbers perspective he's been scum a lot recently (M94 etc) and I doubt that he can be scum so many games in a row.
This argument is invalid and I strongly suspect Jake knows that.
I doubt
He says I yet again.
(M94 etc)
Even with his invalid argument, he only gives one example of LaLight being scum 'so many games in a row.'
Conclusion: Jake is scum.
ppe LOTS
This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
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This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
So? I'm not using it this game.
And I think you're forgetting that in that game, you were in fact scum.
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This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
So? I'm not using it this game.
And I think you're forgetting that in that game, you were in fact scum.
YOU USED IN YOUR CASE AGIANST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy what are you? If it's this good can I get some?
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he was using it as a point of comparison
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This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
So? I'm not using it this game.
And I think you're forgetting that in that game, you were in fact scum.
YOU USED IN YOUR CASE AGIANST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy what are you? If it's this good can I get some?
Yes, that case was in my case this game. However, I'm not citing that case as evidence, I'm showing how you approach cases as scum, then I'm pointing out that you're doing the same thing here.
PPE
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This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
So? I'm not using it this game.
And I think you're forgetting that in that game, you were in fact scum.
YOU USED IN YOUR CASE AGIANST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy what are you? If it's this good can I get some?
Yes, that case was in my case this game. However, I'm not citing that case as evidence, I'm showing how you approach cases as scum, then I'm pointing out that you're doing the same thing here.
PPE
Wait you just said this "So? I'm not using it in this game" and then said "I'm showing how you approach cases as scum" which means I'm using it in this game. WHICH IS IT??????
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he was using it as a point of comparison
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he was using it as a point of comparison
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This is post 171 from ZM23 in it's exact form.
So? I'm not using it this game.
And I think you're forgetting that in that game, you were in fact scum.
YOU USED IN YOUR CASE AGIANST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy what are you? If it's this good can I get some?
Yes, that case was in my case this game. However, I'm not citing that case as evidence, I'm showing how you approach cases as scum, then I'm pointing out that you're doing the same thing here.
PPE
Wait you just said this "So? I'm not using it in this game" and then said "I'm showing how you approach cases as scum" which means I'm using it in this game. WHICH IS IT??????
I'm not using the case. If I was using the case, then I'd just be restating the points I used in that case, like I'd be saying you appeal to emotion and are hedgy and stuff like that. Like I said, I'm showing how you approach cases as scum, then I'm pointing out that you're doing the same thing here.
PPE 2
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Okay, Jake's right. That doesn't make my point less valid, but it does stop this discussion.
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lalight don't read this next part
his next post is gonna be something like "omg they're ganging up on jake scumteam locked now final answer but also all the rest of you are kinda scummy and i might vote you at some point idk"
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Whatever I give up. Congrats RR on another mislynch hope this will be informative for lynching RR and Awaclus over the next two days. Good Luck town. Vote: Jake
Lol schadd Good luck dealing with RR tomorrow if your still alive (i doubt it)
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lynch me
It's settled!
If you can provide a good reasoning for my last post then I'll even self vote
no heck off with that mess
Reading because I'm having trouble sleeping. Also because all the things are happening in the middle of the night again. Please don't let me wake up to a derphammer, or even an overenthusiastic schadd-hammer.
Space Count (5 to lynch):
RR (2): TWM, Jake
Jake (1): RR
Not Voting (5): kkrieg, LL, Awaclus, Space, schadd
To my sleepy brain, Jake is making less sense than RR, but earlier I'm sure I thought RR was the scummier one. Will re-read when I've achieved the sleep thing and woken up again.
PPE: my count is invalid already :-( Someone else do one?
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/tag
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i'm beginning to believe that i'm a town god, town god
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would like to have a fireside chat with space
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Oh, an TWM, if we lynch scum today, obviously jail LaLight tonight.
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Oh, an TWM, if we lynch scum today, obviously jail LaLight tonight.
Jail RR or awaclus tonight because you won't lynch scum.
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Oh, an TWM, if we lynch scum today, obviously jail LaLight tonight.
i still think we lynch lalight over jake today. i think both of them confirm the other one (jake is doing his standard partner thing with lalight, "nah i think {point of evidence} is wrong and they're just town" and jake is the only person that would be worse off to do the kill than lalight) and lalight has uh night action evidence to support. not like jake doesn't have day stuff to support him though—as i said in M92,
don't die for an awaclus read.
obv jail the element of {jake, lalight} that we don't lynch
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Oh, an TWM, if we lynch scum today, obviously jail LaLight tonight.
Cause I am taking advice on this subject from the person I am voting for?
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Ps. Jake and RR I am not reading all of the above posts. Give me a tl;dr in a paragraph or less summarizing all of those posts.
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Ps. Jake and RR I am not reading all of the above posts. Give me a tl;dr in a paragraph or less summarizing all of those posts.
tl;dr, there is evidence that Jake is scum.
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Ps. Jake and RR I am not reading all of the above posts. Give me a tl;dr in a paragraph or less summarizing all of those posts.
tl;dr, there is evidence that Jake is scum.
But you really should read the thread.
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twm, think back. rr is not good at playing scum
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pagetop ^
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Ps. Jake and RR I am not reading all of the above posts. Give me a tl;dr in a paragraph or less summarizing all of those posts.
tl;dr, there is evidence that Jake is scum.
But you really should read the thread.
Present it in a manner that is readable and doesn't make me want to avoid playing with you in the future but I am not touching that mess.
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twm, think back. rr is not good at playing scum
Exactly.
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i.e. he can't make cases
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i.e. he can't make cases
I have seen only incoherent rambling.
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i found it rather coherent
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Ps. Jake and RR I am not reading all of the above posts. Give me a tl;dr in a paragraph or less summarizing all of those posts.
tl;dr, there is evidence that Jake is scum.
But you really should read the thread.
Present it in a manner that is readable and doesn't make me want to avoid playing with you in the future but I am not touching that mess.
Sorry for defending my case? I don't know what you want me to say, I was filling the holes Jake tried to poke in my dam.
PPE 2-Thanks schadd
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Maybe there was a case in there but I don't want to have to dig through a mountain of posts to get to it. That is what is required to make one, not to read someone else's
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Maybe there was a case in there but I don't want to have to dig through a mountain of posts to get to it. That is what is required to make one, not to read someone else's
You're not being a very good IC :-\
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Maybe there was a case in there but I don't want to have to dig through a mountain of posts to get to it. That is what is required to make one, not to read someone else's
You're not being a very good IC :-\
I don't care. I want to play this game for fun. What you and jake are doing Ian fun and is exactly why I said I wouldn't play with the two of you last game. I thought I'd give you two another chance with the same result. Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
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Maybe there was a case in there but I don't want to have to dig through a mountain of posts to get to it. That is what is required to make one, not to read someone else's
You're not being a very good IC :-\
I don't care. I want to play this game for fun. What you and jake are doing Ian fun and is exactly why I said I wouldn't play with the two of you last game. I thought I'd give you two another chance with the same result. Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
I'm not going to discourage Jake from defending himself, but I am also going to respond to his points to address them. I don't understand how what went on is so useless and not worth reading. I also don't understand how you can think that without even reading it.
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Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
no one else is on, friendo.
if rr is scum he's trying to avoid an ll lynch. so let's head that way
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Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
no one else is on, friendo.
if rr is scum he's trying to avoid an ll lynch. so let's head that way
I'm 100% cool to lynch Lalight.
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also complaining about 40 posts of game-related content is rather spoiled (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8912848#p8912848)
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Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
no one else is on, friendo.
if rr is scum he's trying to avoid an ll lynch. so let's head that way
I'm 100% cool to lynch Lalight.
stop ur ruining it
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also complaining about 40 posts of game-related content is rather spoiled (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8912848#p8912848)
on, incidentally, in that game, i correctly hard scumread the most cunning manipulator guy and nobody else paid attention to it for the rest of the game and then after i got NK'd they lynched my 2nd hardest townread & got endgamed. not to brag or anything (◕ᴗ◕✿)
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
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Two pages worth of you arguing with each other with no one except schadd getting a word in, and then just to egg you on.
no one else is on, friendo.
if rr is scum he's trying to avoid an ll lynch. so let's head that way
I'm 100% cool to lynch Lalight.
Let's do it.
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
And we haven't talked about LaLight because you just said everything that needed to be said.
PPE-Yeah!
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Vote: LaLight
Maybe L-2
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batter up!
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Schadd you're going to vote LaLight too yea?
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(i'm obv not gonna hammer if someone else votes
right away, at least)
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ppe yes
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dibs on hammer
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I can't wait until LL flips town and you finally realize that the team is RR and awaclus.
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I can't wait until LL flips town and you finally realize that the team is RR and awaclus.
What makes you think he's town?
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
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I can't wait until LL flips town and you finally realize that the team is RR and awaclus.
Still looking for reasons why scum would target LaLight.
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I can't wait until LL flips town and you finally realize that the team is RR and awaclus.
Still looking for reasons why scum would target LaLight.
LaLight was scummy enough that he wouldn't be the night kill, but towny enough that mafia wanted him to do the killing honors.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
::)
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
::)
Aren't emotes scummy??
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
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kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you Why not?
LL: I would Why?
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch Is this even true?
RR: Why? Why not?
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
and you are more confident that all of us are wrong and not considering something obvious to you than that you are not considering something obvious to the rest of us (e.g. record of how it's gone the past 10 games)
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kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you Why not? It's their first game
LL: I would Why?
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch Is this even true? Yes (M94 etc..)
RR: Why? Why not? Why
Better question is who would you NK if you were town? (I know your not)
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
and you are more confident that all of us are wrong and not considering something obvious to you than that you are not considering something obvious to the rest of us (e.g. record of how it's gone the past 10 games)
Well let's see at the end.
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kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you Why not? It's their first game
LL: I would Why?
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch Is this even true? Yes (M94 etc..)
RR: Why? Why not? Why
Better question is who would you NK if you were town? (I know your not)
If I was town I wouldn't NK anyone.
If I was scum, I'd probably kill TWM or schadd.
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Can I remind everyone to not hammer until after I have stated who I am going to JK in the event we hit mafia today?
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Vote Count 2.1
Roadrunner7671 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (2): kkrieg, Roadrunner7671
Not Voting (4): LaLight, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, schadd
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday April 20 at 9pm forum time.
Out of town and very busy for the next week.
Sorry for any long waits.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
Not a fan of any of these reasons.
Honestly if I were scum I would lynch basically anyone before LaLight except you.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
and you are more confident that all of us are wrong and not considering something obvious to you than that you are not considering something obvious to the rest of us (e.g. record of how it's gone the past 10 games)
Well let's see at the end.
in the weird corner of probabilities where you're both town and we lose, it's your fault. i can't work with nothing, and even if we lynched you instead and you flipped town or something i would still go for lalight the next day.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
Not a fan of any of these reasons.
Honestly if I were scum I would lynch basically anyone before LaLight except you.
Do you mean kill at night?
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
I agree with this to an extent. The thing is that you have to take this with the context of who ever mafia actually is.
If lalight and say awaclus are mafia they have to choose the best six options, not the best eight. If lalight is mafia it is because he is mafia not because everyone else is a bad night kill target.
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If we aren't going to lynch la today it will because he or others demonstrate that he was tow ie yesrpterday and others as scummy. Not because he was a good night kill target.
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
Not a fan of any of these reasons.
Honestly if I were scum I would lynch basically anyone before LaLight except you.
Do you mean kill at night?
Yes I do! Sorry about that.
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
I just think LaLight is a silly NK.
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
I just think LaLight is a silly NK.
He is a great NK if he is town.
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
It helps me on my read of you.
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
It helps me on my read of you.
If Jake is scum, I'm town?
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
I just think LaLight is a silly NK.
He is a great NK if he is town.
if scum somehow knew there was a jk (1 in 4, given they wouldn't have an rb) and that they would target ll, then yes, it would be as good a play as no kill
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
It helps me on my read of you.
If Jake is scum, I'm town?
No.
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
I just think LaLight is a silly NK.
He is a great NK if he is town.
Can you give me reasons why? I don't think anyone's given any solid reasons.
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
It helps me on my read of you.
If Jake is scum, I'm town?
No.
Okay.
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What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
Does it make that much of a difference to you?
It helps me on my read of you.
If Jake is scum, I'm town?
No.
if jake is scum then i am townreading rr really hard, and we are proven to not be partners
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and if you do think that shouldn't you be trying to convince us at all?
You won't listen to me anyways so i'll just wait for a flip to validate my points.
I'll listen. I really want to know why scum would target scummy town.
Let's talk in hypothetically. If you were scum who would you have NKed?
kkrieg: Sorry but no one here would Nk you
LL: I would
Awaclus: Very common mislynch
SA: Been absent most of the game it seems like more likely to be a N2 lynch
TWM: Has been very good as scum and had suspicion on him from the start
Me: Literally no reason to
Schadd: I wouldn't another common mislynch
RR: Why?
and you are more confident that all of us are wrong and not considering something obvious to you than that you are not considering something obvious to the rest of us (e.g. record of how it's gone the past 10 games)
Well let's see at the end.
in the weird corner of probabilities where you're both town and we lose, it's your fault. i can't work with nothing, and even if we lynched you instead and you flipped town or something i would still go for lalight the next day.
I gave plenty of good reasons of why RR is scum and why it makes sense that he is partners with awaclus. I guess I could see LL being his partner but I find it much more likely awaclus is the partner. But when I flip town will you scum read RR really hard?
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Is it just me or is it REALLY WEIRD we aren't talking about LaLight more? Either (1) he performed the kill or (2) he was the one being targeted.
I don't think #2 is realistic. I don't see him as a great person for scum choosing to kill. Can anyone give reasons WHY scum would kill LaLight? There was scum suspicion on him during D1 so it would make more sense to kill someone who was generally read as town. LaLight seems like a stupid choice to NK.
That leaves LaLight as scum. I'm really weirded out there has been such little discussion on LaLight. I'm going to reread and pull quotes for people defending him.
Vote: LaLight
PPE: 5
Ha ha, we're totally gonna lynch Lalight.
Have I mentioned that kkrieg is towny?
What happened to lynch jake before LaLight?
And I disagree with kk. I think she could fit the mold of newbie scum. Not saying she is, but she might need a closer look at a later time and feel like that might get lost down the road if this attitude prevails.
I just think LaLight is a silly NK.
He is a great NK if he is town.
Can you give me reasons why? I don't think anyone's given any solid reasons.
From what I have seen active vets get killed first. He fit the bill of who I would have killed in my previous scum games. Posting, active, don't know about content of reads, had some suspicion, but generally unless there is something egregious day one suspicion doesn't translate from day one to day two very well. He came looking decent from the day one lynch. And it depends one who else there is to NK. I can say I would be unlikely to NK you, jake, RR or schadd. Probably not awaclus either. So that leaves me, space and lalight that a hypothetical me would NK.
That said I was suspicious of him and he probably should be the lynch. I just don't think it is a given and do t agree with your reasoning of how you got there. I am more interested in actually looking at his day one and whe he has time to post his day 2 (with the given that it will be heavily tinted with his knowing he is likely to be lynched)
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I gave plenty of good reasons of why RR is scum?
Jake is a humorous fellow.
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I gave plenty of good reasons of why RR is scum?
Jake is a humorous fellow.
REALLY?!?!? Finally I can get my comedy career going. Just lynch RR tomorrow schadd. @TWM preach man preach (minus that LL should be the lynch)
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i'm gonna go through and address all of them
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Also by that reasoning that means the IC is not confirmed town because he was on 2.7.
something can confirm townies without confirming every townie. twm is not the paragon of things that town should have done.
This leaves only awaclus who I don't think has been towny.
this is like your only discussion of awaclus
Calling a RR/awaclus scum team by this because scum!RR knows I will flip town.
yeah, and if you're town, town!rr doesn't know that. town is allowed to do things for a large potential upside (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg685252#msg685252).
You should JK awaclus tonight.
unrelated but there is no way this is pro-town to say
So your giving town points to people who off wagon right? Its wayyyyy more likely that scum would be off wagon knowing that both of the possible lynches would be town.
this seems to operate under the assumption gets to just choose where they are in the votecount. awaclus and rr would just park themselves off wagon, confident with the notion that 5 townies would scramble together and vote e?
Or I could've not defended 2.7 as much as I did instead of completely reverse tunneling him.
Yes but if you know he's town you can fiercely defend him and claim town cred (like your doing now) for it and cast blame on more town to get more mislynches from it.
ditto. M97 was the first game in a while with no scum on a d1 town wagon, gkrieg flipflopped on andrew because he thought the idea of that was ridiculous. if you have any faith in scumhunting during the day, scum hard defending the town that gets mislynched should work very rarely.
So we should never say anything because it'll give scum info?
Really your gonna try to get awaclus to give reads?
wouldn't that not be indicative of a rr/awaclus team? awaclus will get scumread for that playstyle until society crumbles into ruin, why bring it up again?
Did you even read my case on you where I explained why I think your scummy, why I think LL would be the NK and why you and awaclus make really good sense as partners.
i did! i think your thing on why ll would be the NK doesn't count as a case, rather a... sort of... incorrect sentence?
Also if I remember right you were scum in M91 and only targeted me (like now).
Also why are you comparing with a blitz game instead of comparing with a recent game where I was scum (M94) and played completely differently.
i think you are playing similarly to M94 as well. why aren't blitzes fair game as a point of comparison?
OMG I just read some of M91 and your just like it now.
same shit as with me D1. you can't just say "oh you're like {other game}" without pointing to anything, especially considering you were wrong about it with me.
in your response to his case on you, there was stuff that you just ignored (like how you said "i would never use caps as scum," apparently not having noticed the part of his case where he pointed out you using caps as scum) which i have found so much more often to come from scum whomst has just been criticized accurately and doesn't have a response.
well, thassit. after that is the part where you're like "idc lynch me i don't have anything else interesting to do than AtE"
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Alright. I actually went back and reread everything. It was painful and you are welcome. I like neither of the RR or jake lynches today and probably forever (subject to change, not that I am likely to be around to change it, but still).
I think there an some good compelling points for RR being town and the same goes for jake. I see themselves getting worked up over each other because three know each other and seem to do this every game they are in in the hopes that they will be right and can rub it into each others faces once that ever happens.
Unvote
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What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
Where are you going to announce anything during the night before the night ends?
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So we should never say anything because it'll give scum info?
You can say stuff that helps town more than it helps scum. Reads don't fall into that category because they don't do anything to help town and everything to help scum.
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Then make a post like I did! Don't withhold information! If you really want my lynch, share your findings and let us discuss them!
If you really don't want your lynch, share your findings that prove that you're town.
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In other news, Vote: LaLight
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if scum somehow knew there was a jk (1 in 4, given they wouldn't have an rb) and that they would target ll, then yes, it would be as good a play as no kill
Erm, schadd? That was maybe careless. Do we know for sure that scum can't no-kill? I was deliberately avoiding all talk of TWM's plan in case anyone else (especially anyone scummy) stumbled into the realisation that it's messed up by a no-NK, because that effectively frames whomever TWM targets.
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Fear of framing aside, I think vote: LL is in order here.
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I might have been a nightkill because scum might've thought i am a pr
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Fear of framing aside, I think vote: LL is in order here.
Isn't it unannounced L-1?
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if scum somehow knew there was a jk (1 in 4, given they wouldn't have an rb) and that they would target ll, then yes, it would be as good a play as no kill
Erm, schadd? That was maybe careless. Do we know for sure that scum can't no-kill? I was deliberately avoiding all talk of TWM's plan in case anyone else (especially anyone scummy) stumbled into the realisation that it's messed up by a no-NK, because that effectively frames whomever TWM targets.
i am pretty sure no kill is allowed in the rules but it only benefits scum kinda in, like, an eighth of cases (jk that targets a scumread; now town autolynches a scumread instead of taking it out, which is honestly not even always a bad thing)
honestly kinda worried ll steals the hammer
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space can you please unvote?
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actually screw it i'm busy today
vote: lalight
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that was a little bit dumb but we'll live.
TWM, if this flips red, please JK jake. if it flips green, do whomever.
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the thing is that ll could have self-hammered (i.e. to cut off the day, since we're not changing our minds) so it's basically sa's fault
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actually screw it i'm busy today
vote: lalight
Fuck that man.i told you not to do this.
If we flip scum I am jail keeping schadd
What a stupid moronic thing to do
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I wanted today to last a lot longer I am still on vacation and haven't reread at all you dumbnut
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What I am thinking is tonight I do a dice roll. If 1 or 2 I JK Lalight. If 3 or 4 I jail keep someone else that I announce before the night ends. Basically there is one less person to have to worry about being killed and can hopefully use that information plus the info from last nog together tomorrow.
Where are you going to announce anything during the night before the night ends?
That was the problem obviously.
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if scum somehow knew there was a jk (1 in 4, given they wouldn't have an rb) and that they would target ll, then yes, it would be as good a play as no kill
Erm, schadd? That was maybe careless. Do we know for sure that scum can't no-kill? I was deliberately avoiding all talk of TWM's plan in case anyone else (especially anyone scummy) stumbled into the realisation that it's messed up by a no-NK, because that effectively frames whomever TWM targets.
If they no killed we would just wash and repeat the next day. This was not a concern
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actually screw it i'm busy today
vote: lalight
Fuck that man.i told you not to do this.
If we flip scum I am jail keeping schadd
What a stupid moronic thing to do
np, as long as you say who it is
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actually screw it i'm busy today
vote: lalight
Fuck that man.i told you not to do this.
If we flip scum I am jail keeping schadd
What a stupid moronic thing to do
np, as long as you say who it is
I only got to say it cause I woke up early before packing up. I wasn't planning on it. I wanted to reread and get a better idea of who to JK. Now I am just JKing the fool who decided to hammer contrary to the IC request, you.
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So long all. I am probably dead. Feel like my correct JK action is going to be wasted on all of you.
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np
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oh woah
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good luck finding actual scum.
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ok
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What a moronic move. I said he was town sorry LL.
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What a moronic move. I said he was town sorry LL.
We're still in a good shape though :) see it like this lynch was a nightkill scum trued to perform
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neither of you are at all good at this
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Final Vote Count
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (5): kkrieg, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, schadd
Not Voting (2): LaLight, The_Wine_Merchant
LaLight has been lynched! He was Like, Really Terribad Flavor Name, a Mafia Goon.
With 8 alive it took 5 to lynch. Night 2 starts now and ends Tuesday April 18 at 10am forum time.
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I think someone posted a late tag somewhere.
Whoever that was send me a private message if you want the speccy.
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Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.
-Official explanation for Teproc's descent into madness, due to a mafia obsession.
The_Wine_Merchant was killed in the night! He was Ridiculously Amazing AND Super Sick Flavor Name Brah! (!!!), a Town Jailkeeper.
Day 3 starts now!
Vote Count 3.0
Not Voting (6): kkrieg, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, JaketheBaseballGod22, schadd, Roadrunner7671
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Tuesday April 26 at 1pm forum time.
Sorry I opened this up late. I forgot I'm in a different time zone this week, I slept late, and sometimes the wifi here just doesn't work.
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Vote: Jake
Gg
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hey fucks
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the question is if i give enough of a shit to make a contingency plan but i honestly don't
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idk probably no lynch and then lynch space tomorrow in the .00002% chance jake is town
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i'm also flattered twm had any notion i'm capable of this sort of performance
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town: awaclus, rr
towbn: space, twm, idp
hmmmm: jake, kk
fortunately i have other things than tone read now (though i haven't checked if the thing is a scumtell yet): lalight
one hundred and forty-hecking-nine
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you must not know bout me, you must not know bout meeeee
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something you guys might want to do in the little while before j8k is lynched is make the case why you're town. not why anyone else in particular is scum, just what makes you townie.
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also don't put him to l-1 if i'm not around
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hey fucks
Um.. could you reign your general tone in a little, please? Thanks :-)
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something you guys might want to do in the little while before j8k is lynched is make the case why you're town. not why anyone else in particular is scum, just what makes you townie.
heh.. I'd like to see Awaclus's response to this suggestion.
What's the improvement of making towniness cases over making scumminess ones on other people, though? Other than being less work in general, I guess.
I feel like partner analysis and voting history with LL should be the way to go here really, though.
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hey fucks
Um.. could you reign your general tone in a little, please? Thanks :-)
i thought u weren't a tone reader
I feel like partner analysis and voting history with LL should be the way to go here really, though.
agreed. which is why we desperately need something else
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Why can't we lynch Jake and take the W?
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because, my dear child, only three of us have posted
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What's the improvement of making towniness cases over making scumminess ones on other people, though? Other than being less work in general, I guess.
There are numerous improvements.
1) Making scumminess cases on scum allows scum to respond to those cases and adjust their playstyle and get away with everything.
2) Making scumminess cases on scum is usually not based on confirmed facts, making a towniness case on yourself is. That's why it's much easier to do the latter in a convincing way.
3) For the same reason, it's trivially easy for scum to fabricate a scumminess case on a townie, because it isn't based on confirmed facts anyway so they can come up with whatever arbitrary fake reason and it immediately seems plausible. Fabricating a case that's supposed to be based on true facts but actually isn't is a lot more difficult, and scum probably doesn't want to put the spotlight on their own posts because they know where they have scumslipped and forcing them to make a towniness case on themselves forces them to do that anyway.
4) Towniness cases naturally flow from the rules of the game — I'm allowed to place votes on people for any reason or no reason at all, but I'm not allowed to remove votes that are on me, so I can't demand that people make a case against me before voting for me, I have to make a case for myself being town to convince them to not vote me.
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As for why I'm town, I have revealed that I have information that scum might not have (which is that I don't have a QT), I pushed the case against a flipped scum since D1, and at no point have I said anything that would suggest that I have more information than town should have or that I'm looking to make plays with a different objective in mind.
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4. SpaceAnemone
7. JaketheBaseballGod22
Here's a list of people I don't have a super duper strong town read on. I'm pretty null on space and super scummy on Jake, but it doesn't even really matter because the only way we don't lynch Jake is if he claims a PR and doesn't get counterclaimed.
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do the thing
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hey fucks
Um.. could you reign your general tone in a little, please? Thanks :-)
i thought u weren't a tone reader
Really? I tend to scumread anyone at the first sign of aggressive language. Pretty sure I don't manage to filter it that very well much of the time.
I feel like partner analysis and voting history with LL should be the way to go here really, though.
agreed. which is why we desperately need something else
Would it surprise you to find I don't follow your logic here?
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I feel like partner analysis and voting history with LL should be the way to go here really, though.
agreed. which is why we desperately need something else
Would it surprise you to find I don't follow your logic here?
related reading (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg686360#msg686360)
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4. SpaceAnemone
7. JaketheBaseballGod22
Here's a list of people I don't have a super duper strong town read on. I'm pretty null on space and super scummy on Jake, but it doesn't even really matter because the only way we don't lynch Jake is if he claims a PR and doesn't get counterclaimed.
You do know that I claimed D1 right? And GG good luck tomorrow. Vote: Jake I can help narrow the lynch pool
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I hope you know that if you're town, that's a poor play, and if you're scum, simply you voting for yourself isn't going to convince anyone.
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I hope you know that if you're town, that's a poor play, and if you're scum, simply you voting for yourself isn't going to convince anyone.
I hope the rest of the town can see that your scum tomorrow
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I hope you know that if you're town, that's a poor play, and if you're scum, simply you voting for yourself isn't going to convince anyone.
I hope the rest of the town can see that your scum tomorrow
How do you still think I'm scum? I was the driving force against the 2.7 wagon and I was super cool about voting for Lalight. What have I done that's scummy in your eyes, besides going after you?
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Don't have a lot of time to look into this tonight but my gut feel is RR or Jake
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Actually just Jake.
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It hurts that there was over a minute between those two posts. :(
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You do know that I claimed D1 right?
forgetting it is townie m8
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idc, line em up. anyone other than jake would deserve the win
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Not gonna lie, I'm not as convinced as I could be about Jake, but if he's not gonna defend himself I'm gonna lynch him.
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bollocks ^
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But I'm so damn convinced that kkrieg is town that as long as me and her survive to LyLo we're good.
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Lynch list:
Jake
SA
Schadd
Awaclus
kkrieg
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But I'm so damn convinced that kkrieg is town that as long as me and her survive to LyLo we're good.
okay but if you aren't confident he's scum then read the thread until you are certain about it. hedging like that here is balls.
Lynch list:
Jake
SA
Schadd
Awaclus
kkrieg
uuuuhhhhhh
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But I'm so damn convinced that kkrieg is town that as long as me and her survive to LyLo we're good.
okay but if you aren't confident he's scum then read the thread until you are certain about it. hedging like that here is balls.
Lynch list:
Jake
SA
Schadd
Awaclus
kkrieg
uuuuhhhhhh
Well that's one ordering of everyone's usernames :-P
I didn't get a chance to look through all the voting stuff last night in the end because choir two nights running wiped me out, but I'll do that this evening. While schadd's link to M96 is pretty pessimistic in its suggestion of the efficacy of later-game scum-finding, I'd point to BSG mafia as an example of it being possible to find scum based on early-game interactions as a VT in the later game.
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you can probably also find scum based on late game interactions in the late game as a VT
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you can probably also find scum based on late game interactions in the late game as a VT
Meh, I meant early-game interactions with each other, examined in the later game after one of them has flipped.
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eh, whatever. jake has nothing more to say, i don't really have anything else to say. if not jake it is almost certainly one of {space, rr}. someone can put him at l-1
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space, would you like to do the honors?
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How could you think it's RR?
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optimism
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eh, whatever. jake has nothing more to say, i don't really have anything else to say. if not jake it is almost certainly one of {space, rr}. someone can put him at l-1
Can do, unless we want to give kkrieg a chance to say more stuff? I get the impression she hasn't had enough time yet today.
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she'll be alive tomorrow, if there is that
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How could you think it's RR?
the actual answer is that 928 sounds kinda unnatural and there is a pocketing motive there
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she'll be alive tomorrow, if there is that
Unless it is RR rather than Jake, in which case he'd pretty much have to kill off his personal IC :-P
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i am the ic. and like i said, if he's scum he's trying to get her to vote elsewhere in lylo anyway whereas perhaps i'm maybe not doing that as much
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Wait. Oh snap. Schadd actually made me realize something. Look at the setup dudes.
Everyone should claim if they're 1 shop BP or not (I know we did this, but we should do it again to be extra sure)
I am not.
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How could you think it's RR?
the actual answer is that 928 sounds kinda unnatural and there is a pocketing motive there
Huh. Seems like we're both thinking about the same thing.
PPE: yeah, true dat. (Schadd's comment about being the IC)
Vote: Jake
PPE2: Still not BP. Why do we need to do this part again?
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Because if there's a scum roleblocker #everythingchanges
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am not.
town so did not have reason to lie about it yesterday
vote: jake
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Because if there's a scum roleblocker #everythingchanges
it's meaningless unless they die in which case yay we win!
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Vote: Jake
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okay L+1 jake u should claim
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Isn't it good that I'm contributing?
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I'm at work so I don't have time to reread anything, but I think I'm ok with lynching Jake.
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Haha after we got one scum I kind of just assumed town would win but I guess the second scum isn't always super clear.
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Ok now I'm ready to vote for Jake
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Oh just counted th votes and realized he's already been lynched oops.
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Thread Locked!
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Final Vote Count
JaketheBaseballGod22 (4): Roadrunner7671, JaketheBaseballGod22, SpaceAnemone, schadd
Not Voting (2): kkrieg, Awaclus
JaketheBaseballGod22 was lynched! He was Kinda Bad (In a Good Way?) Flavor Name, a Vanilla Townie.
With 6 alive it took 4 to lynch. Night 3 starts now and ends Friday April 21 at 5pm forum time.
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I'd like to open this up soon as I wont be able to at 5pm FT after all. PM me if you'd rather I not.
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RANDOM MAFIA NOOB
"Tell me some true things about fighting.
Tell me you love me."
TEPROC
"I love you," Teproc said. "You can publish it in the Gazzettino if you like. I love your hard, flat body and your strange eyes that frighten me when they become wicked. I love your hand and all your other wounded places."
-An example of Teproc ingeniously utilizing appeal to emotion techniques. The random noob subsequently sheeped Teproc relentlessly in every other game they played together.
schadd was killed in the night! He was Seriously Solid and Sweet s'Flavor s'Name, a Vanilla Townie.
Day 4 Starts Now!
Vote Count 4.0
Not Voting (4): kkrieg, Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone
With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 4 starts now and ends Friday April 28 at 3pm forum time.
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Wow down to 4 people so quickly?
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Shouldn't we no lynch here?
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Shouldn't we no lynch here?
I actually don't like no lynch, because it probably just means I get NK'd and I don't think that helps you out very much.
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Shouldn't we no lynch here?
I actually don't like no lynch, because it probably just means I get NK'd and I don't think that helps you out very much.
Haha, seriously? I think all three of you have been moderately townie this game, but someone's got to be the scum. Whoever it is has played a solid game, because I'm really not convinced we know enough to lynch for certain here. A no-lynch costs us nothing, so why not go for it?
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Shouldn't we no lynch here?
I actually don't like no lynch, because it probably just means I get NK'd and I don't think that helps you out very much.
Haha, seriously? I think all three of you have been moderately townie this game, but someone's got to be the scum. Whoever it is has played a solid game, because I'm really not convinced we know enough to lynch for certain here. A no-lynch costs us nothing, so why not go for it?
Haha, seriously. The only reason why I wouldn't get killed is if someone else has a strong scum read on the scum. We have to lynch sooner or later, and I'd rather get to influence the lynch than not.
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Shouldn't we no lynch here?
I actually don't like no lynch, because it probably just means I get NK'd and I don't think that helps you out very much.
Haha, seriously? I think all three of you have been moderately townie this game, but someone's got to be the scum. Whoever it is has played a solid game, because I'm really not convinced we know enough to lynch for certain here. A no-lynch costs us nothing, so why not go for it?
Haha, seriously. The only reason why I wouldn't get killed is if someone else has a strong scum read on the scum. We have to lynch sooner or later, and I'd rather get to influence the lynch than not.
I'm definitely for no lynching today. To make lynching worth it, all 3 town would have to agree on the one scum right? I don't see that happening. I don't have a solid read on the last scum.
Awaclus - who would you lynch?
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I'm definitely for no lynching today. To make lynching worth it, all 3 town would have to agree on the one scum right? I don't see that happening. I don't have a solid read on the last scum.
Awaclus - who would you lynch?
You can also think of it this way: at least 2 town have to agree on the wrong person being scum for us to lose. If we no-lynch, if one townie is wrong, that's immediately game over.
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As for who I would lynch, I'll put more thought into that later.
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Which is not to say that I'm going to tell you when that happens.
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Is anyone else feeling the most scumminess from Space?
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Is anyone else feeling the most scumminess from Space?
Sorry I'm quiet. I'm doing a load of re-reading, but I'm not going to be able to finish it today.
We're at MYLO, which means if we lynch the wrong person here, we lose.
Also, it's worth noting that if you and RR agree about the no-lynch, we can still push that through without Awaclus's support by doing the vote: no lynch thing.
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I think I'm on board with a no lynch today.
But I did just finish rereading and the scummiest feels we're Space.
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Space supporting a no lynch is to some extent scummy.
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Space supporting a no lynch is to some extent scummy.
How on earth do you figure that? MYLO and LYLO aren't something to handle with just gut reads; we need actual cases and examinations of how people have played. I'd rather devote my limited time to picking through evidence from fewer people if possible, and having a 50-50 chance at LYLO is better than a one in three chance right now.
Have you re-read how Awaclus has played so far this game? Do you think he's really as townie as he's claiming he is? Why isn't it his refusal to take us down to LYLO that causes you concern? I mean, I'm feeling scummy on him right now because he's the one I've just been re-reading. I'm saving you till tomorrow because you've posted almost as much as the other three of us combined...
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No, I have no clue why Awaclus is so towny, I'm just going with it. I support a no lynch though.
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What I'm thinking is it would be best to talk about who we will lynch tomorrow while all 4 of us are alive. Do a no lynch today and hopefully have a better idea of who scum is tomorrow.
I don't know - at this point is it helpful to point out why I specifically think Space is scum? If she isn't, then it gives scum more reasons to attack a townie. Does that make sense?
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What I'm thinking is it would be best to talk about who we will lynch tomorrow while all 4 of us are alive. Do a no lynch today and hopefully have a better idea of who scum is tomorrow.
I don't know - at this point is it helpful to point out why I specifically think Space is scum? If she isn't, then it gives scum more reasons to attack a townie. Does that make sense?
What you're suggesting is generally called making a case on me. That's the way things usually go in late games; Awaclus's approach of not making cases is really the exception to the norm, in my experience.
I would expect here that everyone should be looking at a possible case on everyone else, rather than doing what RR is apparently doing and just "going with it" -- that's going to end badly for us if he believes what people say about how they've been acting, as opposed to looking in detail at what they actually did.
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Awaclus from D1 (26 posts in total)
Early game: comes straight in interacting with RR's joke, and comments on TWM's unwillingness to let it slide. In retrospect, I wonder whether that pressure from TWM on RR was a PR-slip that Awaclus picked up on, because while he later claims to have tunneled LL since early D1, he was mostly pushing a case on TWM -- it was TWM he ended up voting for when the day closed.
Puts LL to L-1 at #183, but shortly after that the wagon dies. That's really not an uncommon pattern for an early D1 wagon. Awaclus accuses LL of being scum again at #231, and says he's getteng a scum vibe from LL because LL is scum. That almost counts as evidence only scum should have had at that point, with so little information in the game and nothing as concrete as a scumslip to go on. I'm mostly commenting on this because of Awaclus's explicit insistence later on that he hasn't displayed knowledge of any info he shouldn't have if he was town. A certainty early on about someone's alignment is more likely to come from scum than from town. He's also never explained what his reasons for scum-reading LL were, other than this vibe.
He explains IDP's use of an English turn of phrase to LL at #237. It's generally helpful, but of course it's also in scum's interest to make sure their partner isn't misunderstanding that content.
Awaclus's longest post is at #283. Two actual paragraphs! He's mostly reinforcing his story of how it's impossible to scum-hunt successfully (having already argued at #276 that giving out reads is a bad idea). The bit about "the more you can say stuff" is pretty ironic, given how little he's said over the course of the game, but I think he'd absolutely push that argument as scum. (He's kind of locked into some of this from meta anyway, but it definitley serves a scum purpose here, in that he's avoiding giving us anything much that we can later hold him accountable for).
At post #321, he's dressing up an easily-fakable townslip by couching it as advice for the newbie. Note that LaLight made another easy-to-fake "townslip" at #111 -- this is pretty basic stuff to fake, and a question to the mod in the scum QT would have given Awaclus all the info he'd need about us not having QTs.
The post at #359 is an easy distancing action between himself and LL, and that combined with the little cluster of posts around 386-399 seems to be really trying to drive a TWM mislynch. At the end of D1, Awaclus was still voting for TWM.
Note also that Awaclus seems to have been awarded townpoints by RR at #619 for his placement at the end of D1. However, Awaclus and I are in Europe, so the deadline was in the middle of the night for us. He disappeared at 18.50 forum time with his vote on towny-looking TWM. Really, not many people were willing to vote there, and there was no decent scum case on TWM. I seriously don't think Awaclus gets any townpoints for that. Also, Awaclus is now claiming that he's townie becasue he tunneled LL since D1, but if that's the case, why was he not pushing LL instead?
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Awaclus: D2-present (20 posts total)
Awaclus diffuses a possible townslip by RR, which makes a lot of sense for scum to do because he won't want too many people out there who're universally town-read. We've been quite fortunate with the setup giving us so many ICs, so more townreads is something scum can't really afford.
Awaclus does a lot more pushing of the "reads aren't helpful" angle at #868, and then more along the lines of "cases aren't helpful" in D3 at #911. He's basically arguing against all the usual ways we tend to go about getting decent gut feels about who's being scummy.
Awaclus returns to the LL vote again only at #870 (TWM being the only person he'd voted for since #387), having argued with RR and TWM, but not having engaged with the LL case at all. He only put LL to L-2, so it wouldn't even have been a hard bus for a while, except that scahdd quick-hammered unexpectedly.
Awaclus's towniness case at #912 is very formulaic, and easy to counter.
A) He mentions not having a QT. That's an easy-to-manufacture "townslip" that nobody should put much stock in at all.
B) He claims to have pushed a case against "a flipped scum" since D1, whereas he actually spent most of his time voting for TWM (our deceased IC-ified PR). He only joined the LL wagon once it was already picking up, and could have expected time to jump off after appearing willing, except for schadd's quick-hammer.
C) He says he hasn't scumslipped or revealed that he has secret agenda. Well, nor has anyone else who's still alive at the moment. It's more impressive coming from someone who later flips scum, but in itself it doesn't make him townie at the moment.
At the end of D3, Awaclus votes Jake to L+1 with a follow-up post that says "Isn't it good that I'm contributing?". Note that at this point, the remaining scum is the only one who knows that it's not already game over, and therefore that making contributions is still going to be a valid consideration. There rest of us were just glad to have what felt like a solved game done with at that point, I think.
That brings us to the D4 posts, where he's basically trying to set himself up as IC by implying that it kills him and doesn't help the rest of us. Please make sure you read his actual play rather than just believing his summary of it! (RR, see above comment about "going along with it"!).
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RR us up next, but he's got 148 game posts to Awaclus's 46, so that takes rather longer!
I also have a load of stuff to do today now, but I'll return to cases this evening.
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Please make sure you read his actual play rather than just believing his summary of it!
It's funny that you would say that.
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Early game: comes straight in interacting with RR's joke, and comments on TWM's unwillingness to let it slide. In retrospect, I wonder whether that pressure from TWM on RR was a PR-slip that Awaclus picked up on, because while he later claims to have tunneled LL since early D1, he was mostly pushing a case on TWM -- it was TWM he ended up voting for when the day closed.
This is a blatant misrepresentation of my D1 to the degree that I can only assume it's intentional. I made it clear that I was accusing both LL and TWM of being scum, specifically with each other. If you look at my posts, you can easily tell that I was putting a lot of pressure on LL throughout the entire day.
Puts LL to L-1 at #183, but shortly after that the wagon dies. That's really not an uncommon pattern for an early D1 wagon. Awaclus accuses LL of being scum again at #231, and says he's getteng a scum vibe from LL because LL is scum. That almost counts as evidence only scum should have had at that point, with so little information in the game and nothing as concrete as a scumslip to go on. I'm mostly commenting on this because of Awaclus's explicit insistence later on that he hasn't displayed knowledge of any info he shouldn't have if he was town. A certainty early on about someone's alignment is more likely to come from scum than from town. He's also never explained what his reasons for scum-reading LL were, other than this vibe.
My reasons for "scumreading" LL were, of course, that he was TWM's partner. What I thought could have been coaching turned out to be buddying instead, but regardless, there wasn't a lot to go by so I had to put pressure on someone for something. At no point was I certain that LL was scum, "because X is scum" is simply an early game tactic I use in every single game that I play as town, with the purpose of hiding my thought process from scum as much as possible while making them be on the edge and stuff. As far as the "vibe" comment was concerned, it was a reference to the discussion LL and kkgrieg were having at the time.
He explains IDP's use of an English turn of phrase to LL at #237. It's generally helpful, but of course it's also in scum's interest to make sure their partner isn't misunderstanding that content.
Of course it's also in your interest to twist absolutely everything I have done this game to fit a scum narrative you're trying to push, but as it would turn out, I was actually just answering a question about the English language since I happened to know the answer and wanted to help someone learn a language. It had nothing at all to do with this game.
Awaclus's longest post is at #283. Two actual paragraphs! He's mostly reinforcing his story of how it's impossible to scum-hunt successfully (having already argued at #276 that giving out reads is a bad idea). The bit about "the more you can say stuff" is pretty ironic, given how little he's said over the course of the game, but I think he'd absolutely push that argument as scum. (He's kind of locked into some of this from meta anyway, but it definitley serves a scum purpose here, in that he's avoiding giving us anything much that we can later hold him accountable for).
How did I say that it's impossible to scumhunt? Of course it's possible to scumhunt, you just don't do it by telling scum about the traps you're trying to set for them.
At post #321, he's dressing up an easily-fakable townslip by couching it as advice for the newbie. Note that LaLight made another easy-to-fake "townslip" at #111 -- this is pretty basic stuff to fake, and a question to the mod in the scum QT would have given Awaclus all the info he'd need about us not having QTs.
LaLight's "townslip" was exhibiting a lack of information that scum would have. My townslip was exhibiting having information that scum might lack. It's not a solid proof that I'm town for sure, but it does contribute towards making it more likely. There's no reason to draw a connection between LaLight faking a townslip and me townslipping — you would already know from the Kubo blitz that these days I try to townslip intentionally as town.
The post at #359 is an easy distancing action between himself and LL, and that combined with the little cluster of posts around 386-399 seems to be really trying to drive a TWM mislynch. At the end of D1, Awaclus was still voting for TWM.
More intentional misrepresentation.
Note also that Awaclus seems to have been awarded townpoints by RR at #619 for his placement at the end of D1. However, Awaclus and I are in Europe, so the deadline was in the middle of the night for us. He disappeared at 18.50 forum time with his vote on towny-looking TWM. Really, not many people were willing to vote there, and there was no decent scum case on TWM. I seriously don't think Awaclus gets any townpoints for that. Also, Awaclus is now claiming that he's townie becasue he tunneled LL since D1, but if that's the case, why was he not pushing LL instead?
I was pushing LL. Unfortunately, I don't get to vote for two different people at a time.
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Awaclus diffuses a possible townslip by RR, which makes a lot of sense for scum to do because he won't want too many people out there who're universally town-read. We've been quite fortunate with the setup giving us so many ICs, so more townreads is something scum can't really afford.
I diffused it because it wasn't necessarily a townslip. I also pushed LaLight, who made a similar townslip, which turned out to be fake, remember?
Awaclus does a lot more pushing of the "reads aren't helpful" angle at #868, and then more along the lines of "cases aren't helpful" in D3 at #911. He's basically arguing against all the usual ways we tend to go about getting decent gut feels about who's being scummy.
Yeah, because all the usual ways are pseudoscientific. People love to think they know when another person is lying based on their superficial behavior, but the fact is that you're going to need special equipment for that and even the special equipment isn't amazing at it. As far as your ability to detect a lie with the naked eye is concerned, it's about as good as a coinflip.
Awaclus returns to the LL vote again only at #870 (TWM being the only person he'd voted for since #387), having argued with RR and TWM, but not having engaged with the LL case at all. He only put LL to L-2, so it wouldn't even have been a hard bus for a while, except that scahdd quick-hammered unexpectedly.
Well, it turned out that I had been wrong about TWM. It took me some time to reassess the situation and conclude that LaLight was still probably scum after TWM was confirmed town.
Awaclus's towniness case at #912 is very formulaic, and easy to counter.
A) He mentions not having a QT. That's an easy-to-manufacture "townslip" that nobody should put much stock in at all.
B) He claims to have pushed a case against "a flipped scum" since D1, whereas he actually spent most of his time voting for TWM (our deceased IC-ified PR). He only joined the LL wagon once it was already picking up, and could have expected time to jump off after appearing willing, except for schadd's quick-hammer.
C) He says he hasn't scumslipped or revealed that he has secret agenda. Well, nor has anyone else who's still alive at the moment. It's more impressive coming from someone who later flips scum, but in itself it doesn't make him townie at the moment.
It's easy to counter if you don't care about whether or not what you're countering it with is true. I have, indeed pushed a case against a flipped scum, and I actually spent all of my time pushing a case against a flipped scum. C) is also not true, but I'll come to that later.
At the end of D3, Awaclus votes Jake to L+1 with a follow-up post that says "Isn't it good that I'm contributing?". Note that at this point, the remaining scum is the only one who knows that it's not already game over, and therefore that making contributions is still going to be a valid consideration. There rest of us were just glad to have what felt like a solved game done with at that point, I think.
You're just grasping at straws here. It was obviously a sarcastic remark, since it turned out that Jake was already lynched by the time I voted for him, i.e. I actually wasn't contributing at all.
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As far as SpaceAnemone is concerned, I have a hypothesis and evidence to support it.
Now, let's look at the current situation. kkrieg has expressed a scum read on Space, RR has expressed that he hasn't re-read me and that he was just going with it when I said I was towny, and I haven't expressed anything. Space just wrote a long case on me where Space accuses me of things I didn't do and twists the things that I did do to look scummier than they actually are. My hypothesis is that Space is planning to kill kkrieg to eliminate the correct scum read, and the purpose of Space's case on me is to manipulate RR into mislynching me tomorrow in hopes that RR won't double check whether or not any of it is actually true. This is the best way for scum!Space to deal with every townie who's still alive.
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Awaclus diffuses a possible townslip by RR, which makes a lot of sense for scum to do because he won't want too many people out there who're universally town-read. We've been quite fortunate with the setup giving us so many ICs, so more townreads is something scum can't really afford.
...how does Space know that RR is town, especially before rereading him? This is not an honest attempt to figure out who's scum from an uninformed perspective, this is an attempt to convince town!RR that I'm scum.
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Little does Space know that I'm busy today and I'm not even going to read their case on Awaclus! (Until later)
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Vote: Space
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This is why I think Space is scum. I reread LaLight and I think what he says about her is really, really weird.
I pulled almost every quote from LaLight that has any mention of Space (may have missed one, but I don't think I did).
Everything LaLight says about Space is in her defense. I bolded those things for clarity.
Just me, or super scummy?
In other news, I like the stuff that's been going on.
1. I think LaLight's English is native speaker level, or at least that's the impression I get.
2. Space isn't impersonal when it comes to playing, but when it comes to reads...maybe?
3. I love the kkrieg vote. It's always harder to contribute as scum than as town, because all yoir reads have to be pretty much made up. That being said, I don't want to lynch a newbie D1 in a newbie game, especially when they're the newest newbie.
1) Oh, thanks a lot! The funniest thing is that my english improved massively after playing Forum Mafia endlessly :D
3) If they are scum, we should lynch them nevertheless. Because that's, um, the point of the game. I am not sure kkrieg is scum though.
Lalight skips over #2 (comment dealing with Space)
I have about 20% confidence in my reads at this point, but here they are:
RR is town - so too probably is Jake. Awaclus as well. They are all ones I want to find scummy, but am not for what that is worth.
schadd feels slightly scummy to me.
kkrieg seems to be doing fine. So null there, but that is to be expected.
IDPTG-I don't buy the schadd stuff there, probably hence why I find schadd scummy.
That leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit. I feel like I remember more from LA and it was townie enough, so I guess that leaves Space as being somewhat more suspicious. But not enough to make me want to vote or anything like that. Just how I am remembering at this specific moment.
so, it's 80% that Jake/RR/Awa are scums, schadd is slightly townie, kkrieg is... erm... not null and you buy the schadd stuff on IDPTG?
On a serious note, me and Space are really good friends so we kinda combine together (if I understood correctly what you meant).
This is interesting. I know they are friends IRL but still. Why would that make them "kinda combine together?"
Just read Space. Hasn't had a single post {please correct me if I am wrong, it is a bit late and I am a bit dopey I will freely admit} that was scum hunting oriented. But still had a lot of posts that had a "I am helpful so don't suspect me" vibe.
I saw that you stated that you would get more into that aspect of the game on Sunday, which I get and respect that you have been busy. But on the flip side, I am seeing now that I am town, one of my roles {Awaclus would probably disagree, but they can have their own playstyle} is to give out reads and hunt so that others can more easily read me. And from what I have seen of you that is also a descriptor I would assign to you.
So. vote: Space
Actually, knowing Space, I can say that it's a huge probability that on D1 they are leaving a scumhunting to newbies helping them with some setup advices and if things go bad, Space will step up and say: "okay, guys, now my reads", and this will be correct.
Defending her play style and trying to get others to agree with her future reads
okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
The other person to think about is Awaclus. Maybe he's doing the same thing with scumreading me with 100% surety for metareasons (because previously he's been doing that as town so now he exprects us to read him as town again (which works as far as I can see)).
Can't read RR and Jake at all. They are generally scummy and it's hard to judge. I won't be surprised if one or both are scum, but for now schadd is scummier than both combined.
I tend to townread SA a lot, and I am doing it now, but I keep in mind that they may as well be scum and nothing really would differ in that case. Don't want to lynch right now, but will watch closer after (if i will make it to D2 :) )
kkrieg is the nullest of all, i can easily see her being scum and being town. I wish there were more content because it's hard for me to read someone the first time.
e/IDPTG are on townie side, but I don't really support schadd's idea that that IDPTG leaving post was IC-level townie. But D1 pass from me.
Hmmmmmm
1. kkrieg
Behaves as a newb!newb, can't tell if scum or not. May be both ways, I usually struggle to read people I haven't played with.
2. LaLight - IC, you know
3. Awaclus - either he is very townie or imitates his town play really well. Again, may be both ways, but I probably do not want to lynch him.
4. SpaceAnemone - massive town vibes. Yes, yes, may be imitated. I am sorry my reads are mostly crap. It's that stage of the game where everyone seems scummy to me unregarding anything.
5. The Wine Merchant
IC
7. JaketheBaseballGod22 - here we come into much scummier field. Jake feels very careful with posting and now he starts to tunnel people who may or may not be his partners. But he's not the one I want to lynch today.
8. schadd - Here we go, Scummy McScum Scummelson. I look at schadd's post and activity level and it rings all the alarm bells I have. schadd loves being VT, he said in Mafia Hub it's his favorite role and his behaviour in this game does seem like he is trying as hard as he can to seem just a VT. But it's a good gisguised scum play as I see it and I can't get away from this feeling.
9. Roadrunner7671 - quite a good candidature for being schadd's partner. Reverse tunneling is a thing that really helps you get towncred. Given that we had wagons on TWM/Jake/2.7 in the EoD, given that RR supposedly knew they all may be were town, he could easily protect E, because anyway the town will be lynched. Now the town is lynched, RR has townpoints, voila. I don't believe the plan, I don't believe RR.
To me, this is the most interesting thing LaLight said about Space ESPECIALLY considering his last comment about her.
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If we no lynch here, SA won't die. I seriously doubt I'll die because I always mess up LyLo.
If kkrieg dies, that hurts me.
If Awaclus dies, that hurts...no one?
I think kkrieg will die if we no lynch.
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I'm fine no lynching and getting NK as long as you and awalcus plan to lynch Space the next day.
Isn't it silly to lynch today? Our chances of winning are much better if we no lynch.
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I'm fine no lynching and getting NK as long as you and awalcus plan to lynch Space the next day.
Isn't it silly to lynch today? Our chances of winning are much better if we no lynch.
Our chances of winning are exactly the same regardless of whether we lynch Space today or tomorrow.
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This is why I think Space is scum. I reread LaLight and I think what he says about her is really, really weird.
Yeah, you're scumreading me for getting "buddied" by scum. Fair enough, but the other two in the game are at least a bit aware of the history between me and LL. It worked out for him, to the extent that I townread him for D1.. I actually felt like he was behaving in a townie way :-(
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Awaclus diffuses a possible townslip by RR, which makes a lot of sense for scum to do because he won't want too many people out there who're universally town-read. We've been quite fortunate with the setup giving us so many ICs, so more townreads is something scum can't really afford.
...how does Space know that RR is town, especially before rereading him? This is not an honest attempt to figure out who's scum from an uninformed perspective, this is an attempt to convince town!RR that I'm scum.
Re-reading you made you feel really scummy, ergo if you're scum, the townslip by RR must be real. This was from the argument I was putting forward for you being scum. As I said, the one for RR is currently a WiP, but I can't do anything about it right now because I'm at work. (I'm currently on lunch break, but my notes are on my laptop anyway...)
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Re-reading you made you feel really scummy, ergo if you're scum, the townslip by RR must be real. This was from the argument I was putting forward for you being scum. As I said, the one for RR is currently a WiP, but I can't do anything about it right now because I'm at work. (I'm currently on lunch break, but my notes are on my laptop anyway...)
Premise 1: If Awaclus is scum, the townslip by RR is real.
Premise 2: If the townslip by RR is real, Awaclus is scum.
Conclusion 1: If Awaclus is scum, Awaclus is scum.
Conclusion 2: If the townslip by RR is real, the townslip by RR is real.
The thing is, you're drawing more conclusions than that. Which means that you must have more premises than the ones you're claiming to have.
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Will I die if we no lynch?
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Vote Count 4.1
no lynch (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (2): kkrieg, Roadrunner7671
With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 4 starts now and ends Friday April 28 at 3pm forum time.
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Will I die if we no lynch?
I think it's you or me haha
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
Well since you want to no lynch and SA doesn't want to vote for themselves, I think we have to no lynch.
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
Well since you want to no lynch and SA doesn't want to vote for themselves, I think we have to no lynch.
Do you feel good about lynching today?
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
Well since you want to no lynch and SA doesn't want to vote for themselves, I think we have to no lynch.
Do you feel good about lynching today?
It's fine, doesn't really matter to me.
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
Well since you want to no lynch and SA doesn't want to vote for themselves, I think we have to no lynch.
Do you feel good about lynching today?
It's fine, doesn't really matter to me.
Gah! Seriously people, you're not even trying! :-(
Are either of you actually going to post any cases, or just sleepwalk through this and end up as mafia-food? Or whatever it is scums want the bodies for...
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I feel best about no lynching today and committing to lynching Space if I'm alive the next day. So if I don't die tonight, I'm voting Space tomorrow.
Well since you want to no lynch and SA doesn't want to vote for themselves, I think we have to no lynch.
Do you feel good about lynching today?
It's fine, doesn't really matter to me.
Gah! Seriously people, you're not even trying! :-(
Are either of you actually going to post any cases, or just sleepwalk through this and end up as mafia-food? Or whatever it is scums want the bodies for...
Nice AtE.
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I vote: no lynch and will be voting Spce tomorrow
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Vote Count 4.2
no lynch (2): SpaceAnemone, kkrieg
SpaceAnemone (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 4 starts now and ends Friday April 28 at 3pm forum time.
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Game's not over guys. I'm gonna hammer the no lynch unless anyone has objections.
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I have an objection! I'll ks your hammer stats first.
Vote: no lynch
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Thread Locked!
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Final Vote Count
no lynch (3): SpaceAnemone, kkrieg, Awaclus
Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671
Nobody was lynched! Night 4 starts now and ends Friday April 28 at 5pm forum time.
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Send me a PM if you'd rather I not open the game tomorrow instead of Friday.
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Honestly I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal about Teproc. He was a no good two bit hacker, that's what he was. And he took steroids. That's why you see an asterisk next to his name in all the record books. Oh and he smelled bad too.
-ashersky's official statement on Teproc
kkrieg was killed in the night! She was Flavor Name of Generally Debatable Quality, a Vanilla Townie.
Vote Count 5.0
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone, Awaclus
Day 5 starts now and ends Friday May 5 at 5pm forum time.
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Big surprise. I'm not gonna quick lynch though, I have to re-read Awaclus.
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Vote: SpaceAnemone
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I've re-read RR's early-game play, and there's just nowhere near the level of scum-indicative stuff as for Awaclus. The two things I'd cite as giving me a little cause for concern are his weird opening joke, and that whole exchange around #516 where he was intercepting questions I was trying to ask to TWM. That really wound me up at the time, but TWM turned out not to be one of our scums here, so with hindsight that's less scum indicative than I'd felt it might be at the time.
Vote: Awaclus
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Confirming myself as town. But I'm too busy to do anything else right now.
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Confirming myself as town.
Feels good man.
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I'm gonna reread Awaclus, then reread LaLight's interactions with both of you, then give you guys both a chance, then probably vote sometime tomorrow or Tuesday.
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and that isn't a joke. Jokes are funny.
It was pretty funny.
Is this buddying? Probably not.
Too bad. He already claimed BP (I don't care if afterward he said it was a joke)
That doesn't make any sense.
I think Awaclus and I agreeing is a town tell. Maybe it’s just an Awaclus tell though. Normally we don’t ‘agree’ per say though, I’d call it more like ‘we see eye to eye, mostly.’
town: awaclus, rr
Noted
Vote: LaLight
This, in context, is either very towny or very WIFOMy.
I'm getting a scum vibe from LaLight, but that's because he's scum.
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And that's why town loses so many games.
Talking about mafia theory is towny.
<Awaclus being off the 2.7 wagon is also towny>
Final Vote Count
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): RoadRunner7671, schadd, kkrieg
e (5): SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight, e
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Awaclus
2.71828..... has been lynched! He was Pretty Good Flavor Name, a Vanilla Townie.
Hmmm…
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I want to look at LaLight/Awaclus interactions, seeing as how they were going at it D1. I gotta assess whether or not LaLight was being genuine.
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Vote: LaLight
So he put Lalight to L-1 pretty early in the day. LaLight responds with:
And that is L-1 btw :)
Which is not how I would react if my partner put me at L-1.
Calling a LaLight/TWM scum team.
Wouldn't it be too obvious? O_o
Sometimes, things that are obvious are obvious because they are true.
Well, i agree, that sometimes they are. I just know that you are not right in this one.
It's always a blind bet, pointing out the most or least obvious statements because of levels and levels and WIFOM. Another problem is that people tend to notice obvious stuff and your statement was not even a little useful (I don't mean to be offensive, sorry if it will touch you).
The part in parenthesis is a very !LaLight thing to say, but I think he’d be less likely to say it to a partner, as the partner would know that LaLight didn’t mean to offend.
4. Space: just incredibly hard to read so you're on this list - sorry!!! also feel like because you are such an analytical player you would normally be trying to figure out the scum/helping out town a little more than you are (but I also have never read any past games...)
Aw, you're just like gkrieg! Scumreading me already :-P You know he lynched me in like 3 of my first 4 games or something? He was mod in the other one! Anyway, I've slightly bitten off more than I can chew in terms of game commitments just now, which is why I'm not so setuppy in this one yet. Give me till Sunday evening UK time and I should be able to plug into it a bit better! Day 1 is the toughest day.
In other news, one serious rule that I'm sure gkrieg has already mentioned to you, but it's worth repeating: you're never, ever allowed to talk about things that happen in ongoing games, and it's especially bad to mention them in other games you may be playing in on this site... it gets quite frustrating when you want to scumread someone for something they've said elsewhere in another ongoing game, for example.
LaLight’s scum team was TWM/Schadd, both of who were town. Would LaLight really be so obvious as to call all townies scummy and his partner towny? I don’t think so…
That leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit. I feel like I remember more from LA and it was townie enough, so I guess that leaves Space as being somewhat more suspicious. But not enough to make me want to vote or anything like that. Just how I am remembering at this specific moment.
Trust the confirmed town?
LaLight could be scum, I don't know.
You died too soon :(
but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
This is completely random, and it seems like Space is trying to get the pressure off of LaLight and onto 2.7. Space, if you respond to one thing, please respond to this
okay, reread everything twice and the more time goes the more I am scumreading TWM. At first he was pretty townie due to lack of effort that he puts a lot of when he's scum. But now it looks like that was intentional because now he slowly returns to his scum meta. I am calling TWM/schadd scumteam and remaining on schadd's wagon, who was scummy before and is scummy now.
So basically you want to distance yourself from your partner without voting for him.
Have I ever give you an impression of such a bad player? I am no scum, I don't do things you are talking about and even if I was, I wouldn't do such a brush thing!
This doesn’t look like a staged partner fight.
Awaclus, what do you think of Jake wagon? Because I don't like it at all.
You wouldn’t ask your partner this I don’t think.
SA- voting for me because of my whole "defending jake" thing that I guess happened in my head only and not recorded in any speccy or anything anywhere
SA has no reason for voting 2.7.
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Okay, I'm done for now, but Space is a heck of a lot scummier than Awaclus.
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12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.[/color]
Those were the days...
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What do you think about my case against Space?
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Also if it helps, we're still allowed to type things so here's how I would type it:
I am not the serial killer
Looks towny, doesn't it?
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Also if it helps, we're still allowed to type things so here's how I would type it:
I am not the serial killer
Looks towny, doesn't it?
It doesn't really do it for me :-\
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Awaclus what's your flavor name?
This question is also directed at Space.
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Awaclus what's your flavor name?
This question is also directed at Space.
Pretty Bad Flavor Name.
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Seems plausible, although it could be a scum name. I'm really itching to hammer.
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This question is also directed at Space.
My flavour name is "Decent Flavor Name". The setup post states explicitly that names are not indicative of alignment, though, so I don't think this line of inquiry is likely to go very far.
I realise there are a few more things to respond to... I'm just starting my lunch break now, so I'll get to them shortly.
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but I think you're saying you're all set to scumread me if I'm not actually Calamitas.
uh, no, this is not in fact my plan
Okay, good!
Vote: e
This is completely random, and it seems like Space is trying to get the pressure off of LaLight and onto 2.7. Space, if you respond to one thing, please respond to this
You say "completely random", but the post you're quoting is #343, and two posts earlier I had explicitly been talking about the scummy situation between e and Jake -- that was where e had said "I always defend Jake and he flips scum, so maybe if I don't defend him he will flip town?" (post #320) and then schadd had pointed out that such a scenario had never actually occurred.
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<Awaclus being off the 2.7 wagon is also towny>
Did you read my comments earlier about how that's a silly thing to attach townpoints to?
Note also that Awaclus seems to have been awarded townpoints by RR at #619 for his placement at the end of D1. However, Awaclus and I are in Europe, so the deadline was in the middle of the night for us. He disappeared at 18.50 forum time with his vote on towny-looking TWM. Really, not many people were willing to vote there, and there was no decent scum case on TWM. I seriously don't think Awaclus gets any townpoints for that. Also, Awaclus is now claiming that he's townie becasue he tunneled LL since D1, but if that's the case, why was he not pushing LL instead?
Awaclus's TWM vote came at #387, after which the voting looked like this:
schadd (2): Jake, 2.7
LL (1): kkrieg
Jake (3): RR, schadd, TWM
2.7 (1): Space
TWM (2): LL, Awaclus
He'd just accused TWM of a scumslip in the post immediately before his vote. He kept accusing TWM for a few more posts (this was around 10am forum time on the D1 deadline day), then posted once more just before 7pm forum time, where he asked TWM who "LA" was, since that was the abbreviation he'd been using for LL. After that, he disappears till D2.
Now, that disappearance isn't surprising given that 7pm forum time is midnight for me, and probably an hour later for Awaclus.
Meanwhile, I consciously left my vote on e when I went to sleep around 8pm forum time (too darn late for me, really!), which I stated at #529, when the voting looked like this:
Jake (2): RR, schadd
2.7 (4): Space, Jake, TWM, LL {L-1}
TWM (3): Awaclus, 2.7, kkrieg
It's getting towards the deadline, and getting a lynch through is pretty important. I had a decent, stated townread on TWM, and Jake is generally a silly wagon because he's easy to read in a scummy way even for people who've played with him a whole bunch. Anyway, take a look at this again, and explain to me exactly why it's less townie of me to be where I was, right at the early point on one incorrect wagon, than be Awaclus at the early point on another incorrect wagon? If Awaclus had managed to talk another townie over to TWM, we'd have been in an even worse position because TWM essentially saved us the game! That's not a "townpoints" thing in this position.
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Anyway, take a look at this again, and explain to me exactly why it's less townie of me to be where I was, right at the early point on one incorrect wagon, than be Awaclus at the early point on another incorrect wagon? If Awaclus had managed to talk another townie over to TWM, we'd have been in an even worse position because TWM essentially saved us the game! That's not a "townpoints" thing in this position.
The key is that I deflected from a town lynch while you were on one.
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Anyway, take a look at this again, and explain to me exactly why it's less townie of me to be where I was, right at the early point on one incorrect wagon, than be Awaclus at the early point on another incorrect wagon? If Awaclus had managed to talk another townie over to TWM, we'd have been in an even worse position because TWM essentially saved us the game! That's not a "townpoints" thing in this position.
The key is that I deflected from a town lynch while you were on one.
And you know that we were both barely involved in the actual deadline-rush part of the lynch because of our timezones, though the need to put votes on credible lynch suspects is exactly why my vote got stuck on e in the first place when I went to sleep. There was no sensible way not to be voting for a town lynch at that point, given that at the point I called it a night, all the wagons were demonstrably on townies.
By the end of the day, you'd been voting for TWM for 11 hours, and there was no way you'd have been able to join the e wagon even though you would have wanted to, because you'd have been fast asleep. You and LL were lucky that e chose to self-hammer.
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By the end of the day, you'd been voting for TWM for 11 hours, and there was no way you'd have been able to join the e wagon even though you would have wanted to, because you'd have been fast asleep. You and LL were lucky that e chose to self-hammer.
...that's exactly why it was towny for me to be off lynch and scummy for you to be on.
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Awaclus has odd hours.
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I feel like SA is scum who is upset, not because they're getting lynched, but because they're getting lynched for the wrong reasons.
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Awaclus has odd hours.
He seems to have pretty normal European hours to me. Are you implying that the oddness of his hours mean he probably wasn't asleep and therefore could have chosen to pay attention to the game during the middle-of-the-night deadline and is therefore townie for not having done so? Or am I just missing your point?
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Awaclus has odd hours.
He seems to have pretty normal European hours to me. Are you implying that the oddness of his hours mean he probably wasn't asleep and therefore could have chosen to pay attention to the game during the middle-of-the-night deadline and is therefore townie for not having done so? Or am I just missing your point?
Yes, that is what I'm implying. It sounds dumb now though.
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I feel like SA is scum who is upset, not because they're getting lynched, but because they're getting lynched for the wrong reasons.
Nah, I get upset mostly when there are personal attacks on me, and that's not happened at all here.. it's probably shaping up to be the politest mislynch I've had, and I've been mislynched by gkrieg a whole bunch :-P
The thing I'm frustrated about is that you're refusing to acknowledge any of the really-not-pro-town things Awaclus has been doing. I feel like all of my points are just being ignored while you're busy making up excuses for why you want to read his behaviour as townie in spite of it all.
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I feel like all of my points are just being ignored while you're busy making up excuses for why you want to read his behaviour as townie in spite of it all.
That's because your points are bs and anyone can easily tell that if they actually read me, which RR has done, instead of simply relying on your misrepresentation of what I have been doing.
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As far as my hours are concerned, you can super easily check my posting times by going to my profile and choosing "show stats". If you do, you'll find out that I post a lot around the clock, but with a decrease at around 2-7 AM, the lowest point being at 6 AM, and an increase at around 15-01. So pretty normal on average, but somewhat odd sometimes.
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Vote: SA
I don't think I need to drag this out longer. If Awaclus is scum, LaLight played super good.
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Final Vote Count
SpaceAnemone (2): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671
Awaclus (1): SpaceAnemone
With 3 alive it took 2 to lynch.
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SpaceAnemone was lynched! They were Decent Flavor Name, a Mafia Goon.
Town wins!
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ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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nj guysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Well done townies.
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so like we mislynched twice but i'm counting this as a flawless
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Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss that's my first W at LyLo.
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hammerstatzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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scum qt? wanna see why lalight did the kill
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scum qt? wanna see why lalight did the kill
And who they targeted? I guess you.
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yeah
i pm'd andrew to apply for a bulletproof
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maybe awaclus?
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Good job town! I thought there were good performances all around! Was a fun one to watch!
Kkrieg for MVP!
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weoooo!
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I feel vindicated for self-lynching. I usually never vote for myself, but after M95 I became fully convinced that a D1 lynch is critical to town's success.
Happy that it worked out
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Good job town! I thought there were good performances all around! Was a fun one to watch!
Kkrieg for MVP!
Cute :). I would say something like you're my MVP but that's probably too sappy and gross for the forum.
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Also that was super fun! Thanks for the newbie game!
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I am curious what TWM might have done N1 had a no lynch occurred. Obviously got the great result N1 with the blocked kill, but how different would it have been without my lynch?
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I'm thinking we should vote for MVP. PM me your votes please!
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Let's say voting ends Wednesday at 12pm FT.
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Yet another NM I have lost :D
Good job guys. We were quite doomed from early point in a game. I was making a kill N1 because i was ready to go down and I was afraid someone will catch SA, so I took the risk
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Mafia QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/XnFKQAYp5sn
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oh right. forgot how vt i was
granted i was the same in a game on ms where i was cop
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Well played, town!!
I don't even know who to vote for for MVP. Schadd just relentlessly made stuff difficult for us, TWM was on point with his PR use, and RR did lylo right -- just not in the way I'd wanted ;-)
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I am curious what TWM might have done N1 had a no lynch occurred. Obviously got the great result N1 with the blocked kill, but how different would it have been without my lynch?
Andrew knows this, but I changed my JK target 3 times.
I started with kkrieg, moved to Jake and then settled on LaLight.
I don't know what I would have done if we had no lynched.
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Schadd, why were you trying to use my /out for alignment information? It was really annoying.
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Schadd, why were you trying to use my /out for alignment information? It was really annoying.
Why not?
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Schadd, why were you trying to use my /out for alignment information? It was really annoying.
Why not?
It made me feel like I had to keep responding and convince everyone that I might be scum to try to keep the game fair. Responding in the first place was a mistake.
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Also, town generally played super well again (hard to single out a MVP, really).
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Schadd, why were you trying to use my /out for alignment information? It was really annoying.
Why not?
It made me feel like I had to keep responding and convince everyone that I might be scum to try to keep the game fair. Responding in the first place was a mistake.
But it was fair. Things that people do can be used to figure out their alignments, /outing is no exception.
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Also, town generally played super well again (hard to single out a MVP, really).
+1.
Town gets better lately
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Hey, a town win! How awesome.
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In the case of a tie I will cast the deciding vote.
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Schadd, why were you trying to use my /out for alignment information? It was really annoying.
i mean it had made me really super confident you were town and i thought it would be better for the game if i were entirely open about it (like, if you accidentally faxed 4 copies of your role pm to me it wouldn't be fair to be all like "uh i suddenly have compelling reason to believe idptg is town"), especially considering it (clearly) wasn't considered a strong reason to begin with.
also incidentally, in a game i just finished on MS, a guy did a big spiel about how obvious and frustrating of a town loss the game was gonna be and replaced out; everyone's like "oh, that guy never replaces out as scum" and the replacement was consensus IC that lived to endgame. no one bats an eye
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i do think it should be standard for no reason to be supplied for any replacement.
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a guy did a big spiel about how obvious and frustrating of a town loss the game was gonna be and replaced out
ok it was less big of a spiel than i remember
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9078727#p9078727
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The votes are in and kkrieg is our MVP!
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Congrats!
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ha. nice
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Thanks everyone! The game was super fun! :)