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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2016, 11:53:17 am
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Welcome to M88: Covert Affairs Mafia by gkrieg13.
This game is for 9 players, and is an invented, semi-open setup designed by gkrieg13.
Co-mod:
Sign ups are open.
1. LaLight
2. RoadRunner Calder Michaels, the Vanilla Agent
3. faust Eyal, the Tracker
4. JakeTheBaseballGod22
5. Calamitas
6. Robz888
7. EFHW
8. SpaceAnemone
9. e
Tags: silverspawn, schadd, Joseph, mail-mi, ashersky
The Rules:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by your role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Quoting of QTs is forbidden as well
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or fewer players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, Green foresty gray color text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please write to the Mod in your role QT. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently, especially because I am a new mod. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via your role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last more than 36 hours but less than 48 hours.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be 36 hours after the night begins.
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Setup Post:
Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:
- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles: - Tracker: 4
- Watcher: 4
- Vigilante: 3
- Neapolitan: 3
- Doctor: 2
- Roleblocker: 2
- Bodyguard: 1
Modifiers (modifiers in parenthesis will be applied to VTs):
- Random/(Framed and Macho and Miller): -3
- Weak/((Framed or Macho or Miller) x 2): -2
- Miller: 0
- Framed: 0
- Macho: 0
- Vanillaising/(1-shot Bulletproof): 3
- Loud/(ICified): 4
Description of Modifiers:
- Random: If A targets B, instead A will target someone at random (includes targeting self)
- Weak: If A targets B and B is mafia, A dies
- Miller: always shown incorrectly (VT as PR and vice versa) to a Neapolitan
- Framed: always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher/tracker
- Macho: Can't be protected by the doctor
- Vanillaising: If A targets B, B gets the affect of A's targeting and also B now becomes vanilla (VT or Goon)
- Loud: If A targets B, B is notified they were targeted by A.
Mafia will be:
1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Framer(can choose a player, that player is Framed that night))
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher
Mafia will also know what roles there are in the game, but not what modifiers are present
All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
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Flavor Post
Flavor will be taken from the TV show Covert Affairs. Flavor will have no effect on the game and will be minimal.
Each player will be given a flavor name at random (except in the case of an IC). Mafia then will also be given a mafia flavor name of either Henry Wilcox or Lena Smith, the enemies to the CIA.
VT PM:
Welcome to Covert Affairs Mafia [Player name]!
[flavor about character]
You are [Flavor Name], the Vanilla Agent.
Win Condition:
You win when all threats to the CIA are dead!
Please /confirm by PM
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/in though I don't know the flavor :(
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/in though I don't know the flavor :(
I don't expect many people to know the flavor. It is a tolerable TV show that my wife and I like to watch together. We enjoy it, but I don't expect many other people to have even heard of it.
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/tag
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In!
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/tag
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What do you think about this?
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.
Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.
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/in
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/tag
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/tag
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What do you think about this?
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.
Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.
I think that Neapolitan is not the second strongest role, although I might take out the rolecop and just have the Neapolitan. I also disagree about the RB. I think it is good at LYLO, but before that it is a negative utility for town.
I agree that the roles are quite good. I think the way to buff the mafia is to give them the exact setup, so they can plan their fakeclaims/JOAT choices better.
The big thing about this setup is that the roles and modifiers can be kind of swingy. Random on a VT basically just gives town an extra PR for free, where Random on a PR can essentially nuke the PR. I like it being there though because it gives some variability to results so you can't trust them. All of the ways that I've thought of changing the setup make it more complicated, which is something I'm trying to avoid. I mean ways to change it would be to remove modifiers that don't affect players because a PR isn't present (framed, witness, miller, macho). But I kind of like the fact that the setup has a lot of variability.
I think the best thing to do would be to buff scum by telling them the setup (roles only, not modifiers), so they can better choose their fakeclaims. But I also could take out JK and Rolecop, because those are probably the most powerful roles.
Wow, sorry this turned into such an essay.
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What do you think about this?
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.
Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.
I think that Neapolitan is not the second strongest role, although I might take out the rolecop and just have the Neapolitan. I also disagree about the RB. I think it is good at LYLO, but before that it is a negative utility for town.
I agree that the roles are quite good. I think the way to buff the mafia is to give them the exact setup, so they can plan their fakeclaims/JOAT choices better.
The big thing about this setup is that the roles and modifiers can be kind of swingy. Random on a VT basically just gives town an extra PR for free, where Random on a PR can essentially nuke the PR. I like it being there though because it gives some variability to results so you can't trust them. All of the ways that I've thought of changing the setup make it more complicated, which is something I'm trying to avoid. I mean ways to change it would be to remove modifiers that don't affect players because a PR isn't present (framed, witness, miller, macho). But I kind of like the fact that the setup has a lot of variability.
I think the best thing to do would be to buff scum by telling them the setup (roles only, not modifiers), so they can better choose their fakeclaims. But I also could take out JK and Rolecop, because those are probably the most powerful roles.
Wow, sorry this turned into such an essay.
I had an idea: what if Random VT made them into an unbeknownst-to-them Random Visitor? Then they are actually somewhat negative utility (if they get caught by a tracker after claiming VT, say).
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^That's a good suggestion.
While this wouldn't necessarily fix balance, though I don't think this is something that can be fixed with how the setup is structured -- which is fine as simplicity and variety are what makes the setup appealing, you could say when a player gets a modifier assigned to them that would have no effect (say, Vanillaizing on a VT), randomly assign it to someone else until it actually has a function.
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Okay, but Neapolitan has direct alignment-indicative powers. it really has no place at 1. Compare to to anything with 3 or fewer points, it's stronger than all of those.
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Okay, but Neapolitan has direct alignment-indicative powers. it really has no place at 1. Compare to to anything with 3 or fewer points, it's stronger than all of those.
I agree.
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Ok I made some minor changes to the setup. I took out JK and Rolecop, upped Neapolitan to a 3 and RB to a 2. I also collapsed Witness and Framed into one modifier, and changed the Godfather shot to a Framed shot.
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/in
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Question: how does framed work for a targeting role? Does it show them as targeting two people or just the killed person?
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/in
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
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Question: how does framed work for a targeting role? Does it show them as targeting two people or just the killed person?
The modifier would trump the target in this case and it would only show them as targeting the killed person.
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common. Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker. They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.
I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs. What do people think?
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common. Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker. They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.
I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs. What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.
I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common. Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker. They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.
I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs. What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.
I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".
That is what weak is supposed to be.
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You have ascetic as a positive modifier (+2) for VT. Ascetic is negative utility on a VT.
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common. Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker. They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.
I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs. What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.
I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".
That is what weak is supposed to be.
I meant that all three vs. one of the negative modifiers shouldn't be worth -3 vs. -2 points since the former is way worse.
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How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
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Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?
I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common. Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker. They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.
I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs. What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.
I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".
That is what weak is supposed to be.
I meant that all three vs. one of the negative modifiers shouldn't be worth -3 vs. -2 points since the former is way worse.
There is supposed to be a x2 for the -2 section. So -3 is all three and -2 is two out of miller/framed/macho.
How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
I switch off. So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
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How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
I switch off. So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.
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Okay, so it is guaranteed that n <= m <= n+1 with n being the number of roles and m being the number of modifiers. Good to know that :)
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How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
I switch off. So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.
Well I guess I would just keep going. Just keep choosing roles and modifiers. I mean clearly this isn't going to happen. But I guess you could just stop after each player has a role and modifier
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How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
I switch off. So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.
Well I guess I would just keep going. Just keep choosing roles and modifiers. I mean clearly this isn't going to happen. But I guess you could just stop after each player has a role and modifier
Since such a setup would be unbalanced I would propose setting a lower limit for that case in which a rerun is done. Not sure what is fair, probably 5 or so.
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1 Role = Impossible
2 Roles = 41%
3 Roles = 31%
4 Roles = 16%
5 Roles = 07%
6 Roles = 03%
7 Roles = 02%
Not likely, but it could happen. 2% isn't anything like 0.01% which we sometimes have for most extreme setups.
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1 Role = Impossible
2 Roles = 41%
3 Roles = 31%
4 Roles = 16%
5 Roles = 07%
6 Roles = 03%
7 Roles = 02%
Not likely, but it could happen. 2% isn't anything like 0.01% which we sometimes have for most extreme setups.
We are speaking of 7 roles + 7 modifiers with a sum still lower than 7
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
The probabilty should be a little lower since the expectation value of a random role went up from 2.625 to 2.714
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Can we talk about this somewhere else? I'm trying to see who /inned and I'm just greeted with math :P
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Can we talk about this somewhere else? I'm trying to see who /inned and I'm just greeted with math :P
Look at the OP to see who inned :P
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.
What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.
What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)
I really think the probability of this happening is low enough that I would just reroll the entire setup, or just stop when this happens (because who doesn't want to see a game with 7 random RBs right?). I would probably just stop when all town have roles and modifiers.
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as am I.
Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.
What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)
I really think the probability of this happening is low enough that I would just reroll the entire setup, or just stop when this happens (because who doesn't want to see a game with 7 random RBs right?). I would probably just stop when all town have roles and modifiers.
I meant rerolling the whole setup in such a case :D
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I you do put in hard "re-roll setup"-rules, make sure to announce them before you randomize it.
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I'll put in that I also stop if all players have roles and modifiers
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This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
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This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
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This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
I'm on a break too.
/tag
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This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
I'm on a break too.
/tag
:'(
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/in
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/in
Wow, you're really back! Nice
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/in
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Yey!
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/in :-)
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/in
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and we're full! Game starts tomorrow morning!
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/tag
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cool
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/t a g
I d o n' t k n o w w h y m y p h o n e i s p u t t i n g a s p a c e b e t w e e n e a c h l e t t e r.
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Game time gotta get my game face on 8) 8) 8) 8)
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PMs are on their way out. No one will receive a QT.
Thread Locked except for /tags
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PMs are out. Please /confirm by PM.
Day 1 will start some time tomorrow if everyone has confirmed.
Also I have decided to try some new colors (because green was annoying when I had to do flips). So pretty much any shade of green is mine for this game.
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Descriptions of modifiers have been added to the OP.
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Auggie, I don't think I can do this any more. They have taken too much away from me. I'm bringing them in.
You don't have to do this Annie. They have a whole team ready to take down the both of them.
I know what has to be done. They need to be taken down discretely and covertly. I'm on it.
No Annie! ..click.. Henry and Lena will pay for this. Send in the team.
e is Annie Walker!
Day 1 begins now!
Thread Unlocked!
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Vote Count 1.0
Not Voting (9): LaLight, RoadRunner, faust, JakeTheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, e
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
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Yep. Interesting why GKrieg didn't tell us who's scum.
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Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
Vote: LaLight
For once I decide to not tunnel you and then this...
Yep, e is IC.
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Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
Vote: LaLight
For once I decide to not tunnel you and then this...
Yep, e is IC.
Let's switch, I'll tunnel you this time
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I'm in a game again - with Robz!
Vote: Robz welcome back!
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Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
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Hey guys
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Hey RR you should vote Robz
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Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!
Vote: EFHW
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It's a small game, that tends to slow things down.
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
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Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
YOu have to leave a space if you want the vote to count. I think: Not sure about gkrieg's policy there.
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)
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Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
YOu have to leave a space if you want the vote to count. I think: Not sure about gkrieg's policy there.
Thanks Vote: Robz
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My very first game as an IC. How fun
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Hello new friends, hello old friends!
Vote: Jake forever and ever until the end of time. That guy has it out for me...
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E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?
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Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
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Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that
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Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that
D-1 Vote Baseballing
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
I can definitely see where you're coming from with that
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Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that
How about D-1 Vote Fun
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E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?
yuma left, came back, then left again. But we don't need to get into that. Ashersky retired from playing. He has currently finished Dune 8 and is working on the setup for Dune 15 right now. We will eventually catch up to him. New people showed up, others kind of disappeared. Like, where did AndrewisFTTW go is my question?
But on this game. No thoughts right now. I will do what I can to not be the absent IC, but not arguing with people about why I am not scum is easier than creating content when everyone knows you are town. You guys talk and I will weigh in.
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Hi everyone. Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.
Welcome back Robz. Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?
I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.
No reads yet, go figure.
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Hi everyone. Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.
Welcome back Robz. Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?
I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.
No reads yet, go figure.
OMG this World Series is freakkkkiiinnnn ammmmaaaaazzzzziiiiiinnnnngggggg
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Hi everyone. Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.
Welcome back Robz. Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?
I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.
No reads yet, go figure.
OMG this World Series is freakkkkiiinnnn ammmmaaaaazzzzziiiiiinnnnngggggg
Litterly dying from the suspense during this rain delay
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#firstworldproblems
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If theirs a game 8 I'm gonna die #DreamsComingTrue #WorldSerisGame8
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#ExtraInnings #HereWeGoAgian
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#TheDroughtIsOver #CubsWin # ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Vote: Jake #hashtagsmustdie
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What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
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E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?
After a cleverly orchestrated coup, gkrieg and I have taken over the power in this subforum!
There has been a drop in deep analysis I think. I mean enough people are still around that do that, but we also have more people playing the way mail-mi did back in the day. (he has definitely improved since his return though!)
I had a really good run in 2016, but recently I think I'm on a 5 or 6 game losing streak. Let's hope this doesn't continue.
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What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
Going by Jake's profile picture, I assume it's Baseball. Which is funny because I always was under the impression that noone outside of the US actually plays that.
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Going by Jake's profile picture
Also, like, their name.
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
Except if you go by forum time :-P And I've already said somewhere else that I think voting me is a scum tell for you ;-)
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
Except if you go by forum time :-P And I've already said somewhere else that I think voting me is a scum tell for you ;-)
This strange situation when I voting for you seem scummy and I voting for Calamitas make him tunnel me. Soon there'll be only one person I can vote. Who would that be? :)
Fine with my vote :P
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What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
LaLight the World Series is the final series of games in the MLB(Major Leauge Baseball best leauge in the world located in the USA) It is the championship game between the two best teams. Like a champions league final but a best of 7 series and last night the final game lasted until 2am ET and was the best World Series game 7 I've ever seen and Baseball is the main sport in most country's in America pretty popular in Italy and England as well as Eastern Asia
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Baseball is the main sport in most country's in America pretty popular in Italy and England as well as Eastern Asia
I've never heard of anyone watching/playing/being interested in it here in the UK.
It does have pretty neat distinctive pitches, though -- one of the things about going in to land at American airports is that you can often see their baseball diamonds on the ground there. I don't recall ever having seen anything similar in Canada or the rest of Europe or further afield where I've been in recent years :-P
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Back to the game please, I've lost interest on the very first mention of baseball.
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What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
Going by Jake's profile picture, I assume it's Baseball. Which is funny because I always was under the impression that noone outside of the US actually plays that.
But here in the U.S. we are the world, or so we thought when the World Series was named. Some of us know better now.
So when are we going to start playing mafia? Lalight mentioned SA change in playstyle. I'd expect them to be evolving, though. I think I'll vote: faust for a reason I won't mention yet.
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evolving
Congratulations! Your SpaceAnemone evolved into UniverseAnemone!
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What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
Baseball playoffs afaik
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.
Either you're speaking of me or you use pronouns really badly. Pick one :)
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.
Either you're speaking of me or you use pronouns really badly. Pick one :)
It's the latter and I am really really sorry again even though it's becoming implausible. Will do my best to avoid that in the further game.
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1. England has a team in the WBC (World Baseball Classic) 2. I would like everyone's oppion before i vote
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Vote: Jake
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Vote: Jake
For What
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Thanks for the catchup posts, E, EFHW, faust.
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
I looked back at SA's posts. They aren't that serious. What are you talking about?
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vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
I looked back at SA's posts. They aren't that serious. What are you talking about?
Well, they are. Asking what green means, telling that game is silent so we need to do smth. Posts are game-oriented imo, which is usually not the case for SA.
Again, that's just a clue I grabbed, it's semi-serious, I'm looking at reactions for now (seems like it's working)
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!
Vote: EFHW
Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)
Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?
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Don't mean to jump down your throat, though. I like speedily moving out of RVS, and I appreciate when people move us in that direction.
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Don't mean to jump down your throat, though. I like speedily moving out of RVS, and I appreciate when people move us in that direction.
I don't like RVS at all actually.
You can jump on my throat to see what will happen next. That's fine.
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!
Vote: EFHW
Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)
Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?
As i said before all posts are game-oriented, without a bit of fluff. That's not SA's case in a few games we participated together :)
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Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone
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Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone
don't speak about ongoing games please :)
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Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone
don't speak about ongoing games please :)
ok sorry
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Ok found other done games with SA and i think lalight is right
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diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt
Could you please not do that? Thanks.
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There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.
LaLight
RoadRunner
faust
JakeTheBaseballGod22
Calamitas
Robz888
EFHW
SpaceAnemone
e
Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.
Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
Vote: LaLight
For once I decide to not tunnel you and then this...
Yep, e is IC.
This post exhibits a strong meta-awareness.
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You can barely see that e is struck through. He is of course.
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There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.
LaLight
RoadRunner
faust
JakeTheBaseballGod22
Calamitas
Robz888
EFHW
SpaceAnemone
e
Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.
Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
Vote: LaLight
For once I decide to not tunnel you and then this...
Yep, e is IC.
This post exhibits a strong meta-awareness.
Why not Jake?
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diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt
Could you please not do that? Thanks.
Just exaggerating bro chill
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There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.
LaLight
RoadRunner
faust
JakeTheBaseballGod22
Calamitas
Robz888
EFHW
SpaceAnemone
e
Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.
Hi, guys, nice to see you again!
vote: Calamitas
Vote: LaLight
For once I decide to not tunnel you and then this...
Yep, e is IC.
This post exhibits a strong meta-awareness.
Why not Jake?
How about this why Jake
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Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.
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Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.
As you know, I like to lynch newbies. He's not a true newbie, though. He played in the previous game.
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Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.
As you know, I like to lynch newbies. He's not a true newbie, though. He played in the previous game.
Well I didn't play with them, so they are a newbie to me.
Plus the other stuff I mentioned.
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Last but not least, I have come to appreciate LALL over the last few games. Jake seems like he's willing to actively engage in the game, which is good.
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Vote Count 1.1
LaLight (1): Calamitas
EFHW (1): SpaceAnemone
Jake (2): Robz, Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, e, Jake
faust (1): EFHW
Calamitas (1): faust
Not Voting (0):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
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Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
Just a PSA, this would have counted. Anything that looks like a vote will count in my games. I just ctrl + f vote: and if it is in bold, I count it, so anything like having two spaces with a font size of 4pt won't work. It will be counted like any other vote, as with votes without spaces after the colon. Anything that looks like a vote, will be counted as such, so don't try to fake hammer using a vote that is questionable.
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
I'm laughing as hell now!
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
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Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G
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We could also lynch LaLight. I just realized that, according to the stats in his signature, he has never been lynched.
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
Thanks for clearing that up, LAlight!
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Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
Thanks for clearing that up, LAlight!
Just trying to prevent any conflicts that could occur. Nevermind.
Yep, never lynched. Cause in all the games I'm townie except M86 where I just played well :)
Though don't do this. I'm townie again.
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What conflicts I don't get in conflicts just polite disagreements
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Vote: Jake
For What
Wanting to get other people's opinions first is considered scummy. Like you don't have a position of your own because you already know who is town and who is scum, so you cast about for what other people want to hear.
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It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?
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It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?
happy to help :)
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Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
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Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
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Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, yet expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
Fixed.
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Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
I'll just say that you are reminding me of that recent game where you were some kind of lone scum - Heroes Mafia.
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vote: faust
You're quite nervous! That was just one vote but i got the feeling you're on L-1
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Vote: Jake
For What
Wanting to get other people's opinions first is considered scummy. Like you don't have a position of your own because you already know who is town and who is scum, so you cast about for what other people want to hear.
I have opinions on everybody here but I want to gage what others are thinking
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But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
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But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Can you give us evidence? Don't have the time to look for myself right now.
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But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
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Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
Probably because you're a vet. It would take some major scum vibes for me to want to lynch you or faust Day 1.
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Ok reasons/evidence for lynching SA
1.Had a few scummy posts st the start of this game which is what started this
2. SA attuide is so different from other games that it's scary
3.In other games SA was active,peppy and just generaly helpful and in this game nothing
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But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!
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SA has made exactly 4 posts this game, 1 of which was about baseball, 1 of which was about forum time, and 2 which were questions about e's ICness.
So this case is ridiculous.
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SA has made exactly 4 posts this game, 1 of which was about baseball, 1 of which was about forum time, and 2 which were questions about e's ICness.
So this case is ridiculous.
Or maybe you is scum partner trying to defend your boi in Sa
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Can we just move out of pseudo-RVS please?
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Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G
2 things. First, it isn't that hard to spell :), and second, I actually don't have a problem with it (it happens all the time), but just pointing out that if you aren't going to get my name right, I don't have to get yours right.
But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!
Please stop referencing ongoing games. There will be consequences the next time. You can reference other games when they are over, but definitely not while they are still going on.
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Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G
2 things. First, it isn't that hard to spell :), and second, I actually don't have a problem with it (it happens all the time), but just pointing out that if you aren't going to get my name right, I don't have to get yours right.
But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!
Please stop referencing ongoing games. There will be consequences the next time. You can reference other games when they are over, but definitely not while they are still going on.
Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
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Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
If I were you, I wouldn't call the mod 'Big G.' Your call though
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Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
If I were you, I wouldn't call the mod 'Big G.' Your call though
He's the mod so he's like the Big person in the game and his name starts with a g so it makes sense and is much easier for me to type
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Plus if it bothers anyone just tell me and I'll stop saying it
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Plus if it bothers anyone just tell me and I'll stop saying it
Doesn't bother me at all
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Thank you for backing me up Big G
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
What dumb stuff and what's RVS
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
The game consists of nothing but post RVS stuff. Or, in other words, I have no idea what you're complaining about.
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
What dumb stuff and what's RVS
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
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I also think there is absolutely no case against SA.
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Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
What dumb stuff and what's RVS
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
Thanks
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I also think there is absolutely no case against SA.
There's definitely no case. All I was doing was for going out the RVS.
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
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Ok reasons/evidence for lynching SA
1.Had a few scummy posts st the start of this game which is what started this
2. SA attuide is so different from other games that it's scary
3.In other games SA was active,peppy and just generaly helpful and in this game nothing
Ooh, I'm getting the VIP analysis treatment here :-P I've been feeling quite unwell and juggling a bunch of important work stuff, so it's not surprising I've been a little off my meta. Except that this is only about my sixth game, so I didn't actually realise I had that much of a reliable meta. Hopefully tomorrow I'll be back to whichever overly-fluffy or too-game-solvy versions of myself you'd like me to be.
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
...him?
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
...him?
:'( Sry SA, I just seem to be too stupid for correct pronoun usage. I just don't think about pronouns when I'm writing within mafia and I usually don't proofread due to lack of time. Not that this a legit excuse at all, it is just an explanation. Sorry SA, I will try to establish proofreading to avoid further occurences.
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
Because my 1 vote on him doesn't matter so just taking it off and case I get a stronger scum read on someone else but for now SA is still my strongest scum read
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I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
Because my 1 vote on him doesn't matter so just taking it off and case I get a stronger scum read on someone else but for now SA is still my strongest scum read
Votes express opinion and if you have a scum read on SA you should keep your vote there
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Just started a new position at work that will be pretty busy catching up and figuring out how to do the job well, but then should calm down some. So won't have a ton of activity early on. Still following. Absolutely love wagons. Why aren't there more of them?
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So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
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So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
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So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
My vote on Jake is probably serious BTW
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So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
My vote on Jake is probably serious BTW
Ok no jokes this time Why?
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Ok no jokes this time Why?
Don't worry about it ;)
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Ok no jokes this time Why?
Don't worry about it ;)
You cant say that because if I have votes on me i get worried BOI
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Ok no jokes this time Why?
Don't worry about it ;)
So cough up the reasons
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BOI
It's time to stop ::)
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BOI
It's time to stop ::)
sorry it just spews out sometimes but Seriously Why?
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Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."
There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
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Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."
There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
1. I'm still pretty sure that SA is scum
2. That is just my unquestionable great personality so get used to it
3. Holy Crap dude its called making conversation
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Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."
There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
1. I'm still pretty sure that SA is scum
2. That is just my unquestionable great personality so get used to it
3. Holy Crap dude its called making conversation
THEN VOTE FOR SA!
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OK VOTE: SA
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Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
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Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
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Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
4 days is a pretty long time. It's a very long time
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Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
4 days is a pretty long time. It's a very long time
4 IRL days is not that long
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4 IRL days is not that long
Why don't you listen to a vet? :P
But I think I'm going to back off here. Someone else can comment.
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4 IRL days is not that long
Why don't you listen to a vet? :P
But I think I'm going to back off here. Someone else can comment.
Like Me happily
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Okay, being chatty is good, but try to include more people, rather than chatting at each other for page after page!
The one thing we all have in common is liking Mafia.. so that might even suggest a topic of conversation for you :-)
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Ok hi SA wanna pizza?
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Ok hi SA wanna pizza?
Thanks, but I've just had a mug of tea and a gingerbread dolphin here, so I'm all set :-)
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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!
Vote: EFHW
Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?
What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)
Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?
So what one historical f.ds Mafia game game would top your required reading list for newbies?
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Ok hi SA wanna pizza?
Thanks, but I've just had a mug of tea and a gingerbread dolphin here, so I'm all set :-)
Ohh I love pumpkin bread and coffee
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Read Modern Community. That was an intense game.
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This game is really degenerating now, though. How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?
I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual. As is faust. Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest. I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now. More later.
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This game is really degenerating now, though. How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?
I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual. As is faust. Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest. I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now. More later.
Finally the voice of reason.
I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
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This game is really degenerating now, though. How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?
I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual. As is faust. Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest. I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now. More later.
I mostly agree with top paragraph but can I get some other opinions on SA as scum because I feel like many people aren't doing anything
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vote: Jake for my own reasons.
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vote: Jake for my own reasons.
What reasons because I already have 3 votes on me and I don't wanna die
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vote: Jake for my own reasons.
Yeah, is that an unannounced L-1?
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Unnoficial Space-Count:
EFHW (1): SpaceAnemone
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (2): e, Jake
faust (1): EFHW
Calamitas (1): faust
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Unofficial Space-Count:
FTFM :-P
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Guys seriously no one will tell me why they are voting me so ethier tell me or if your voting for no reason remove your vote
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
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Guys seriously no one will tell me why they are voting me so ethier tell me or if your voting for no reason remove your vote
Probably because you distract us from playing the game. Which, I don't think is necessarily scummy, but you know, annoying. And people tend to vote if they're annoyed.
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
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Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.
Vote: Space-A
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
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Thanks Faust
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
Okay, I'll explain:
1) Faust was really nervous with EFHW vote and didn't answer when I asked why.
2) Space contionues being different actually.
That's "more scummy side" not "definitely scummy".
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
You only have to say that once or twice, but you can contribute otherwise. You could comment on LaLight's suspicion of EFHW, you could ask a direct question to someone who has been less active (even if you don't really care about the answer, it still gets them involved) or you can just sit back and not be distracting if you really have nothing to say.
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Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
You only have to say that once or twice, but you can contribute otherwise. You could comment on LaLight's suspicion of EFHW, you could ask a direct question to someone who has been less active (even if you don't really care about the answer, it still gets them involved) or you can just sit back and not be distracting if you really have nothing to say.
1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
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1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
See, answering like this (only when prompted) is also a bad idea. I said 'EFHW' when LaLight actually has a suspicion of Faust, so that's something.
Just remember that you don't have to reply to everything. Sometimes the best comment is the one left unsaid.
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1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
See, answering like this (only when prompted) is also a bad idea. I said 'EFHW' when LaLight actually has a suspicion of Faust, so that's something.
Just remember that you don't have to reply to everything. Sometimes the best comment is the one left unsaid.
What's "unsaid"
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
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1) Faust was really nervous with EFHW vote and didn't answer when I asked why.
Can you point me to me being "really nervous"? I doubt it.
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
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unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.
vote: calamities, for lurking.
Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
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Faust too.
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Yo Robz SA is ScuM
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RR vs Jake reads town on town to me. Or weird scum buddies who know each other IRL on scum but that's vanishingly unlikely.
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Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.
Vote: Space-A
Hey, if I'd have been any less off-wagon, you'd have called it a hammer, and you've made your stance on hammers at present quite clear :-P
I was the one to point out LL's unannounced L-1; if I'd been more malicious I'd just have hammered Jake and then blamed LL.
Instead, I'll vote: LaLight for being weirdly suspicious of me and feeding Jake's paranoia.
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unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.
vote: calamities, for lurking.
Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
Lurking is not scummy at all, if I cannot contribute I do not contribute. You should know better as the one who has actually less post than I do.
In regard to reads I cannot offer anything particular. I plan to reread tomorrow, will contribute more then.
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unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.
vote: calamities, for lurking.
Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
Lurking is not scummy at all, if I cannot contribute I do not contribute. You should know better as the one who has actually less post than I do.
In regard to reads I cannot offer anything particular. I plan to reread tomorrow, will contribute more then.
You and Robz are both lurking so stop fighting and move on
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Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.
Vote: Space-A
Hey, if I'd have been any less off-wagon, you'd have called it a hammer, and you've made your stance on hammers at present quite clear :-P
I was the one to point out LL's unannounced L-1; if I'd been more malicious I'd just have hammered Jake and then blamed LL.
Instead, I'll vote: LaLight for being weirdly suspicious of me and feeding Jake's paranoia.
It's not parniona it's called your scum
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if I cannot contribute I do not contribute.
*cough* Take a hint Jake *cough cough*
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
I don't really want to go into detail here. Looking to see how things develop.
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I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
I don't really want to go into detail here. Looking to see how things develop.
Maybe, given that things don't develop at all, talk some more?
Of coruse that's not just you. And I know I've been quiet as well, but at least I made my reads known.
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Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
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I'm starting to think I always read LaLight and SA as scum.
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Vote Count 1.2
LaLight (1): Calamitas
Jake (2): Roadrunner, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (2): Jake, faust
faust (1): EFHW
Calamitas (2): Robz, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): e
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Sorry, need to reread here. I will try to get that done tomorrow
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Also I believe I am not voting
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Jakes attitude doesn't make him particular towny in my books since his scum partner could have easily instructed him to act careless.
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Jakes attitude doesn't make him particular towny in my books since his scum partner could have easily instructed him to act careless.
Scum coaching happens about 5% of the times it is brought up.
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RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
From these two reads, I would have guessed that you would vote RR, not Calamitas.
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RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
From these two reads, I would have guessed that you would vote RR, not Calamitas.
Before proof-reading the post, I actually voted both in succession, but that seemed a bit silly. Having observed that I felt fine landing on Calamitas anyway, that's where I left my vote :-) I'll be happy to change things around if he starts getting into the game more.
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I did a reread and Jake's case against space being so contradictory - saying they are more serious when they weren't actually particularly serious sounds like new scum trying for a mislynch. vote: Jake.
My read on faust still stands, but I don't have enough of a case to convince anyone else.
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I don't think I really want to be voting Space-A; they are active at least.
Let's do a post count.
LaLight 23
RoadRunner 25
faust 31
JakeTheBaseballGod22 58
Calamitas 10 (actually has more pre-game than in-game posts)
Robz888 13
EFHW 11
SpaceAnemone 16
e 15
Well Spacey isn't as active as I thought. Still, LALL, vote: Calamitas
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My read on faust still stands, but I don't have enough of a case to convince anyone else.
You never even tried...
Also, don't you always read me as town? I seem to remember that.
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That's a very strange question.
There's no "always" in forum mafia.
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
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Well Spacey isn't as active as I thought.
I'm more active now! I was totally spaced out for the very early game for medical-ish sorts of reasons :-(
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
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spaced out
I find this more funny than I should.
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
Why do you think I'm not playing within my meta?
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You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
Why do you think I'm not playing within my meta?
I don't even know your meta, I'm just stating that this is an alternative explanation.
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Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?
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Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?
I don't have real reads here. The only thing I can do right now is stating my opinion on various specific subjects as I did throughout the game.
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Sorry about not being active but I still think SA is scum but I thought clamitas was town but his responses have not been very satisfactory so now not sure
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Had a all day event which is why
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Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.
Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
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Sorry about not being active but I still think SA is scum but I thought clamitas was town but his responses have not been very satisfactory so now not sure
No one says you're inactive
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Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.
Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
And this is where I don't agree. Summaries are nice, no one thinks the person made a big job, thous it sums up every player so it is easier to me myself to look at this summary and make some assumptions. Also this is kinda SA's meta - to make big lists :)
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Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.
Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
SA is doing that in every game and it is driving the game forwards. If anything, townpoints for SA for that. But it is probably just pro-town and alignment unindicative.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
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Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.
Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
And this is where I don't agree. Summaries are nice, no one thinks the person made a big job, thous it sums up every player so it is easier to me myself to look at this summary and make some assumptions. Also this is kinda SA's meta - to make big lists :)
I would rather have a player point out a single person as scummy and have some good reasons to back it up. Or, a good reason to acquit a specific person for the rest of the day. Vague impressions, especially early on, I find unhelpful.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
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As for the vet-scum theory, that's plausible... but I think I suspect EFHW a little more than faust. My (possibly erroneous recollection) is that scum!faust was quieter than this.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.
PPE:1
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As for the vet-scum theory, that's plausible... but I think I suspect EFHW a little more than faust. My (possibly erroneous recollection) is that scum!faust was quieter than this.
Do you suspect yourself? :)
I've never seen EFHW as scum, even in the old games I read. But as I can see in her signatue, every time she was a scum she won and had MVP. hmmm.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
As much as I advocate against thinking like this, even I can't deny that people closer to my age player very, very differently. I think I've managed to tone that down somewhat, but I think you can't use conventional wisdom when trying to read me or, I assume, Jake.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.
PPE:1
But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.
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But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.
Not stupid but newb.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.
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But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.
Not stupid but newb.
But he's not a true newb.
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Yes he is
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Yes he is
This is not his first game, I mean.
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Yes he is
This is not his first game, I mean.
Technically, it's not.
But think about what happened
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Man I just love my life being debated over
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Alright, well this isn't getting us anywhere and we can't discuss ongoing games.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(
Well it's what happened in lots of games lately. It's better to punish inactivity early.
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Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.
Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(
Well it's what happened in lots of games lately. It's better to punish inactivity early.
well, I'm disappointed.
vote: Calamitas
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I did some "background reading", and am more aware of Jake's play as scum. Still really don't like the SA tunnel, though.
I don't want to lynch Calamitas just for lurking. He can be a good contributor when he has something to say.
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So, our two L-1 wagons:
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.
Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.
EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons, and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
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So, our two L-1 wagons:
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.
Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.
EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons, and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
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So, our two L-1 wagons:
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.
Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.
EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons, and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?
I think Robz being first on both wagons is interesting. Almost as if he is driving them. LaLight being last on both wagons seems a bit too opportunistic to me. Possibly scum, but I could see this as sheep!town LaLight. I don't know, haven't played with LaLight.
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I am actually fairly interested in faust right now as a lynch candidate. Going back to reread him now
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
1. I didn't know that you had to vote for who you thought was scum
2. I've never flipped or flopped on SA
3. Why you no love my attitude
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm
It's not targeting, it's just a method of trying to catch scum. For every one case I build against scum I have built 10 against town. Not saying that I think you are town, and actually the quoted post feels more scum than town to me
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I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm
You wanted an explanation, I gave an explanation. Why freak out like that?
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Jake seems awfully twitchy...
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I'm always twitchy one and two how's is breaking your oppositions/or mistaken friend case against you scummy?
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So, our two L-1 wagons:
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.
Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.
EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons, and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?
I think Robz being first on both wagons is interesting. Almost as if he is driving them. LaLight being last on both wagons seems a bit too opportunistic to me. Possibly scum, but I could see this as sheep!town LaLight. I don't know, haven't played with LaLight.
Just so we're being absolutely clear, my vote on Jake was 100% RVS. And I don't think I really said much in favor of lynching Calamitas, other than calling him out for lurking (a bit unfairly, as he pointed out, since I was also lurking).
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That said, I guess it isn't surprising that people would sheep me. Sorry if I inadvertently created the Jake wagon, which I think is a very bad wagon indeed.
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Calamitas is no longer lurking, but still reading scummy to me: fighting with Jake and coming off looking good is like a very easy thing one can do for town points (no offense, Jake).
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So robz: who do you think is more likely to sheep you? Town or scum?
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Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?
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I would rather have a player point out a single person as scummy and have some good reasons to back it up. Or, a good reason to acquit a specific person for the rest of the day. Vague impressions, especially early on, I find unhelpful.
Huh, okay. I figure vague impressions are the basis for less RVSy voting, and are useful later on for hunting for partner tells and things.
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Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?
God I didn't recognise it was L-1 twice. Unvote
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Also that was no sheeping either time. That was my opinion.
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So robz: who do you think is more likely to sheep you? Town or scum?
Ehhhhhhhhh town? I mean, it's gotta be kind of wagon specific. If scum sheeped my RVS vote on town!Jake hoping to get him quick lynched.... I mean, that would be unbelievably bad play. (Assuming Jake is town.)
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Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?
I mean, I guess it's kinda eager townie. It doesn't scream scum to me.
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I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.
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I'm not going to quick lynch anyone FYI if I change my vote someone has to seem more scummy to me than SA which calm is looking more and more scummy by the post
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I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.
Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.
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I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.
Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.
You voted for both wagons but weren't paying attention to the vote totals? You're afraid of L-1?
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I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.
Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.
You voted for both wagons but weren't paying attention to the vote totals? You're afraid of L-1?
1) I didn't think actually that on this stage of the game we can get L-1 so soon. Also, 9 people is not usual for me and now I see that I should vote more carefully.
2) I was in a little bad mood when voted for Jake because the game on that point was kinda... strange if you know what I mean. So when I realised Jake was on L-1 I thought that's okay. At least I still see him as scum.
3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
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I'm not going to quick lynch anyone FYI if I change my vote someone has to seem more scummy to me than SA which calm is looking more and more scummy by the post
Why don't you choose a specific post of calamitas and tell us why it's scummy.
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And one more post before I go to sleep (3 am already, how does it happen to me allthe time?)
Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
EFHW and Robz are really dangerous as scums, so i'll be fine lynching one of them, don't really know who.
Calamitas and RR seem townie to me which is strange, knowing that RR is in the same position as Faust (look above).
Jake continues to seem scummy.
SA is null which is also strange, cause in every game we played together they seemed scummy being both scum and town.
E is E. Won't sheep the IC but will answer every question if there will be some Q&A IC session.
Good night, folks :)
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I did he put a case against me to get me lynched and I dispelled I also think that that was a last ditched effort to save himself that is why he is getting more and more scummer
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.
I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.
For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.
I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.
For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
I don't agree with the last paragraph here since there is no case on SA. But the rest is correct.
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Vote Count 1.3
Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
SpaceAnemone (1): Jake
Calamitas (3): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust
Not Voting (2): e LaLight
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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I'm voting jake, not laLight I think
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.
I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.
For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
Why is defending yourself scummy and two if I die then take a look at calm and SA those are my strongest scum reads
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
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I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.
I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.
I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.
For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
Why is defending yourself scummy and two if I die then take a look at calm and SA those are my strongest scum reads
I don't really like this. "If I die, lynch X and Y" is bad because you are basically setting up lynches [or mislynches] for us.
Just build a case against them and let town decide who to lynch
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
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Except those cases aren't strong, people have told you they aren't strong, and you don't elaborate on them. And if more than 50% of your posts are defending yourself (which I think is the case) that's not a positive thing
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Except those cases aren't strong, people have told you they aren't strong, and you don't elaborate on them. And if more than 50% of your posts are defending yourself (which I think is the case) that's not a positive thing
Except none of those things are scummy so why are you having such a massive problem with me and two you guys/girls (not sure) may not believe that SA is scum and I believe I have a strong case and calm has made a few scummy posts but as I said before not that sure bout him
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EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons, and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
So Jake is scum because he wasn't on his own wagon?
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That said, I guess it isn't surprising that people would sheep me. Sorry if I inadvertently created the Jake wagon, which I think is a very bad wagon indeed.
I don't really think it's possible to sheep an RVS vote. Like, that's an abuse of what that word sheep means.
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3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
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Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
It would be nice to get your opinion on people who are not Space-A.
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3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
Because I don't know roles of people but I know mine.
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Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?
I remember couple of games we played together and some meta-joke that you are either lynched D1 or killed N1 like always. I see many of your posts as scummy in this game but this may be your meta too, that's just how you play, that's why I don't want to lynch you and want to examine more.
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Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?
I remember couple of games we played together and some meta-joke that you are either lynched D1 or killed N1 like always. I see many of your posts as scummy in this game but this may be your meta too, that's just how you play, that's why I don't want to lynch you and want to examine more.
I get killed N1. I never get lynched D1 basically. If you think I'm scummy, vote for me and explain how I'm scummy.
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3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.
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3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.
Oh, I know. I just wondered why, quickhammering is such a definite sign of scum, why LaLight would be worried about leaving people at L-1.
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I don't like L-1. Is that what we're talking about?
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Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
It would be nice to get your opinion on people who are not Space-A.
I'll post this in a few hours when I have more time
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3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.
The problem with L-1s and newbies is that quickhammering in those cases may not be a definite sign. But OTOH it may be. And the difference between me L-1 and others L-1 is obvious for me.
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Promised case:
It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?
Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
You're quite nervous about this single EFHW vote. That was RVS actually. I know, EFHW said she has a secret case on you, but does she really?
Also questions:
You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
Why do you think I'm not playing within my meta?
And questions
Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?
And questions
3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:
a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.
If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.
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I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust. But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are. Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
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Ok these are the reads I promised
1. SA IS FREAKIN SCUM
Ok so now that that is out of the way
2. RR is really not cool right now so maybe watch as possible scum partner
3. Calm is possible scum as well
4. Robz is sort of lurking can't get a good read
5. LaLight man I'm feeling the praise of god from the lord of the town LaLight. Jk LaLight your theory's are freakin radical and come on man come to your common sense
6.e is the IC so he cool
7.faust anhhh kind of neutral
8.EFHW is probably town
9.I am FREAKIN AWSOME AND TOWN😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
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vote: jake
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I didn't understand what was meant,sorry :(
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I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust. But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are. Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
Well I hate to disappoint you, but whatever you have are not scumtells.
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Promised case:
The two things you point out are just me trying to get some activity into the game. I question EFHW about her vote to get more reactions. I ask questions so other people contribute. IF you read all my posts, you will realize that I also do things other than asking questions. I feel like your read on me is just because I'm active and trying to get others to contribute as well. Which is a pretty bad reason to suspect someone.
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Promised case:
The two things you point out are just me trying to get some activity into the game. I question EFHW about her vote to get more reactions. I ask questions so other people contribute. IF you read all my posts, you will realize that I also do things other than asking questions. I feel like your read on me is just because I'm active and trying to get others to contribute as well. Which is a pretty bad reason to suspect someone.
Well, unindicative asking questions is okay, but you're being super-defensive with them, that's the point
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vote: jake
Congrats RRyou just L-1ed me
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I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust. But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are. Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
Maybe it's time to tell them? :)
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Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.
I think sometimes this is true, but faust's questioning doesn't seem scummy. As he says, he's being active for the sake of the game, which is a good thing, and he has more content than most.
LaLight's case strikes me as very bad. Don't know what to make of EFHW's case, given that I can't read it.
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Man Faust is cool 8)
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vote count please
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oh sorry, saw it
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vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.
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vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.
How specifically?
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vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.
How specifically?
She's too inactive and everything she says is according to the mysterious faust case. Can't see anything more.
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You guys know you can post here, right?
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Yes I knows
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You guys know you can post here, right?
Yup, I'm trying to post more :)
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Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.
I think sometimes this is true, but faust's questioning doesn't seem scummy. As he says, he's being active for the sake of the game, which is a good thing, and he has more content than most.
LaLight's case strikes me as very bad. Don't know what to make of EFHW's case, given that I can't read it.
I agree that most of fausts's questions seemed designed to move the game along. One of the questions LL pulled out wasn't really even a question, more of a statement ending in a question mark, which really felt like a forced argument on LL's part to me.
I'm intrigued enough about EFHW's behaviour that I want to keep both her and Faust around. The thought that I'm playing directly into a scum trap in this respect has crossed my mind, but it's too early in the game to get too worried about that, isn't it?
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I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust. But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are. Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
Maybe it's time to tell them? :)
Ok, 1. Throwaway posts early in the game. I think town!faust is much more focused.
2. Carefree townreading. This happened earlier with Jake, when Robz pointed out that he isn't actually a newbie and faust said "he is to me," or something like that (sorry I am on my phone so searching is too hard). I noticed this in Heroes as well.
3. The defensiveness Lalight has pointed out after I voted him.
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Ok, 1. Throwaway posts early in the game. I think town!faust is much more focused.
2. Carefree townreading. This happened earlier with Jake, when Robz pointed out that he isn't actually a newbie and faust said "he is to me," or something like that (sorry I am on my phone so searching is too hard). I noticed this in Heroes as well.
3. The defensiveness Lalight has pointed out after I voted him.
So, this.
On 1. I don't think I am less focused as scum. In fact I probably am more focused then. If you go through my recent games, I am fairly certain that this is backed up.
2. This is there, yes. I always make my reads strong because vagueness is the discussion killer. I don't know why this is scummy though. You may have noticed it in Heroes, but that is worth nothing unless you can also show that I don't do it as town.
3. I don't think I was defensive; even if I was, is that inherently scummy? What I certainly was is aware of your vote because it was a reason forme to townread you.
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It kinda sucks that my two strongest townreads scumread me.
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Request prods on: Calamitas, Robz888, e
Seriously, guys?
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Quite busy today, writing an exam tomorrow.
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Request prods on: Calamitas, Robz888, e
Seriously, guys?
Prods sent.
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Request prods on: Calamitas, Robz888, e
Seriously, guys?
Sorry! But I'm a DC journalist and it's Election Day.
I am up to date but having a really hard time, um, identifying any behavior that I find particularly scummy. I'm voting Calamitas because lurking is scummy in general (do as I say, not as I do), and I really think Jake is town, that's all I got.
I guess the fact that it's this hard to identify scum perhaps does suggest some veteran scum action. But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.
Anybody interest in an EFHW wagon? Gosh, I hate lynching vets on Day 1 though.
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
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sorry for the inactivity. I will post some reads and stuff soon. Definitely have some solid thoughts before the end of the day in case I get killed at night.
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
I'm not being critical of your English, you could offend someone.
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
Spanish and French have personal pronouns too.
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@GKrieg, request for punishing people for systematic usage of incorrect pronouns.
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Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
I AM NOT A MAN. STOP CALLING ME "HE"!!!!!
I find it really uncomfortable to keep having to bring this up , because I feel it detracts from game-play, but I feel like too many people just don't get it. My preferred pronoun is "they", but if you really can't deal with that, I will accept "she".
Also! The whole argument that almost everyone in here is male, so it's natural to default to "he" is just a load of bullshit. There's a perfectly good generic pronoun to use if you don't know someone's gender, or don't want to misgender a person, and you know what that is? Hint: IT'S THE PRONOUN I'M ASKING YOU TO USE ANYWAY!
Lastly, I'm not using "they" to try to hide away from the fact I'm female. I'm using it because gender norms and expectations can f*** themselves as far as I'm concerned, and because there are plenty of people, including every transwoman ever, who have more right to a feminine pronoun than I do. This current political climate is shit, and I'm just not willing to give in to all the entitled straight cis white males out there who can't deal with showing everyone else some basic human respect.
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Hey, everybody, please do a better job of referring to people the way they have asked to be referred to.
At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players. I don't think we should punish people for making mistakes--it's hard to change deeply ingrained habits, even when you want to.
And Jake, you should probably tone in a down a bit, dude--you signed the pledge too.
All good? Let's move on.
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
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I am here. It's been a busy week/weekend and I haven't been able to focus on this game as much as I should. I will do what I can over the next two days
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).
PPE: 1
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).
PPE: 1
Hmm. I REALLY don't think Jake is scum. I mean I'm probably overcommitted to this position at this point, because who ultimately knows anything on Day 1. But EFHW seems like a much better bet to me.
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).
PPE: 1
Hmm. I REALLY don't think Jake is scum. I mean I'm probably overcommitted to this position at this point, because who ultimately knows anything on Day 1. But EFHW seems like a much better bet to me.
And I am currently voting for her :)
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
"Not lynch" in the sense of no-lynch over lynching them or in the sense of rather not lynching them?
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At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players.
I assume good faith and ignorance on Jake's part. He wasn't even here when I first joined the forum. I died N1 in my first game, and nobody had even gendered me at all by that point... which was fine by me :-P
There is precedent for the mod stepping in -- Haddock did so in BSG when it was getting out of hand and the offenders didn't seem to be taking it seriously. In a more direct approach, a couple of mods have stepped in to edit incorrect posts made by other players, and for the record, I appreciate that :-) I think giving people a clear, firm example is the best way to make it less awkward for everyone. I just don't always have the energy to get into a debate on my right to use singular they when I'm also trying to hunt scums or something... and I don't like having to pick one over the other.
Frequent offenders (not Jake) have made excuses like "well, pretty much everyone here is a he", so I'm not making up wild accusations there. Attitudes like that are not the way to build an inclusive community, and goodness knows inclusivity is something the world needs more of today :-)
PPE a bunch. Good, back to the game now!
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it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
"Not lynch" in the sense of no-lynch over lynching them or in the sense of rather not lynching them?
Rather not lynch, I should have been more clear. Well, I won't lynch E even if it means No Lynch but other than that, yeah.
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What's scummy about EFHW?
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Hey, everybody, please do a better job of referring to people the way they have asked to be referred to.
At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players. I don't think we should punish people for making mistakes--it's hard to change deeply ingrained habits, even when you want to.
And Jake, you should probably tone in a down a bit, dude--you signed the pledge too.
All good? Let's move on.
Thanks Robz.
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What's scummy about EFHW?
Her (cloaked in mystery) case on you wasn't very good, in my opinion. And the way she hid it was strange. Odd behavior. Is it necessarily scummy, I'm not sure, but it's something. Also, a sneaking suspicion that there is a vet scum, and she is the most likely candidate. I have a town read on you.
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But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.
Anybody interest in an EFHW wagon? Gosh, I hate lynching vets on Day 1 though.
See what I mean? I said my case wasn't very good, and then I'm pressed to share it anyway, and now I'm getting a wagon because my case wasn't very good!
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There's another possibility for a vet scum that you haven't mentioned, you know. Not that I expect you to vote yourself.
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I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.
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But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.
Anybody interest in an EFHW wagon? Gosh, I hate lynching vets on Day 1 though.
See what I mean? I said my case wasn't very good, and then I'm pressed to share it anyway, and now I'm getting a wagon because my case wasn't very good!
Well, I don't know if that's exactly what happened.
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Is it Calamitas' meta to not saying anything of substance on Day 1?
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This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.
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This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.
I think it has merit because I'm having an unusually difficult time developing scumreads.
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Is it Calamitas' meta to not saying anything of substance on Day 1?
Cna't really tell; he did not play a lot of games. I remember him being kinda silent in one game I watched/modded (?). Activity did pick up later on, but not by a whole lot.
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This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.
I think it has merit because I'm having an unusually difficult time developing scumreads.
That's just because you were gone a long time and don't know meta. If anything, it should be easier for you to get reads on players you already know.
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And also because there's not a lot of activity.
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I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.
Vote: RR
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Also, EFHW behaving odd and resufing to explain reads is a town tell.
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EFHW's case on me may not have been very good, but it was certainly better than "Boo hoo I'm so bad at this game I guess there must be experienced scum".
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I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.
I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him
I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
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I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.
Vote: RR
Ouch! I guess hedging isn't a good idea
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This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.
Surely the theory is just that vets are more practised at hiding the fact they're scum than newbies who may get over-excited or over-nervous or something?
We all have the same prior probability of being scum, and (weak, limited) evidence observed so far in the game suggests shows that newbies don't seem to be slipping up yet. Since newbies have a higher rate of slip-ups than vets*, and since no slip-ups have been detects, the posterior probability of a given being scum is slightly elevated. The logic is sound at least.
*Personally, I don't believe the premise that newbies must all be more likely to slip than vets... NM8 is a lovely illustration :-)
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I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.
I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him
I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?
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I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.
I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him
I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?
Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.
I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.
I hope your exam today went okay :-)
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Ok 1. Sorry for anything offensevive I said SA didn't know but your still scum
2. I could see calm or EFHW as scum would be fine with lynching ethier
3.
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Can I get a Vote Count
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I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.
I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him
I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?
Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.
I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.
I hope your exam today went okay :-)
I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.
In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
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In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
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In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
This is just wrong. "Scummy" refers to behaviour which is more likely to be made with scum-alignment than with town-alignment (which is obviously different from person to person).
And this is just not the case here.
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In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
This is just wrong. "Scummy" refers to behaviour which is more likely to be made with scum-alignment than with town-alignment (which is obviously different from person to person).
And this is just not the case here.
It is anti-town though, so that makes you a better lynch than the average player.
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I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.
In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Erm.. This is scummy, you know. You're talking about "either alignment" and no reads. You should have gut reads at least, it's still D1.
vote: Calamitas
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I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.
In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Erm.. This is scummy, you know. You're talking about "either alignment" and no reads. You should have gut reads at least, it's still D1.
vote: Calamitas
This again, is not scummy. I have used the term "either alignment" as either alignment before...
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Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
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Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
like killing people in the night
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Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
If I could/would do that on purpose it wouldn't be alignment-indicative anymore
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Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
If I could/would do that on purpose it wouldn't be alignment-indicative anymore
This isn't remotely helpful.
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I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.
I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him
I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?
Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.
I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.
I hope your exam today went okay :-)
I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.
In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Your acting very scummy so Vote: Calamitas
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This is L-1.
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Bad wagon is bad.
Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
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Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
Both of those wagons are bad as well.
It's D1.
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Unofficial Space-Count
Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR (1): faust
Not Voting (1): e
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Bad wagon is bad.
Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
Or try something else :-)
Vote: faust
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Maybe I can actually get behind that
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Bad wagon is bad.
Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
Or try something else :-)
Vote: faust
Do you have anything to offer except OMGUS?
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And what happened to
I'm intrigued enough about EFHW's behaviour that I want to keep both her and Faust around. The thought that I'm playing directly into a scum trap in this respect has crossed my mind, but it's too early in the game to get too worried about that, isn't it?
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Vote: Space Anemone
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OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.
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Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)
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But I'm fine with Calamitas.
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But I'm fine with Calamitas.
Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.
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But I'm fine with Calamitas.
Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.
I know he has some exams..
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Fine Vote: Space-A
Let's see where this gets us.
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I'm fine with calm or SA I voted calm because no one was voting SA but now that people are realizing what I've been saying all along that SA is scum Vote: SA
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OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.
"his recent stance" -- TBH, I'm not actually the most unhappy mislynch in this game just now.
I wasn't really feeling good about the Calamitas wagon. He's young, and he's an overachiever with a perfect record, so my bet is that he's afraid of making mistakes that will blemish that (or just look retrospectively stupid) when D1 is so short on actual evidence.
I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.
Of course, I'd expected scums to maybe join the wagon on faust (particularly since EFHW was pushing him earlier) rather than jump to me, but hey, this works too.
I use smilies often.. people just have to get over it.
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Maybe I'm just a sucker but I am not going to vote for SA today and I strongly encourage others to not.
vote: Faust seems okay.
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For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
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Vote Count 1.4
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (1): LaLight
faust (2): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (3): Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting (1): e
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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@GKrieg, request for punishing people for systematic usage of incorrect pronouns.
There is precedent for the mod stepping in -- Haddock did so in BSG when it was getting out of hand and the offenders didn't seem to be taking it seriously. In a more direct approach, a couple of mods have stepped in to edit incorrect posts made by other players, and for the record, I appreciate that :-) I think giving people a clear, firm example is the best way to make it less awkward for everyone. I just don't always have the energy to get into a debate on my right to use singular they when I'm also trying to hunt scums or something... and I don't like having to pick one over the other.
Frequent offenders (not Jake) have made excuses like "well, pretty much everyone here is a he", so I'm not making up wild accusations there. Attitudes like that are not the way to build an inclusive community, and goodness knows inclusivity is something the world needs more of today :-)
Please everyone play nice. This is something that is obviously really important to SpaceAnemone, so please treat them with respect. If you really have a problem remembering, just use they/them for everyone. I'm pretty sure no one is offended by that.
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I don't have the time to reread until deadline and no real preferences. Will vote for everyone if required when I get online again (about an hour before deadline).
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For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
Why
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For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
Why
I've told you several/many times before. I'm not going to restate my reasons so that you can come up with another numbered list of 'rebuttals.'
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vote: Faust seems okay.
No it doesn't.
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For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
Why
I've told you several/many times before. I'm not going to restate my reasons so that you can come up with another numbered list of 'rebuttals.'
Well
1. Numbered list are fun
2. That makes me think you have no reasons
3. Having fun reading this numbered list?
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vote: Jake
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But I'm fine with Calamitas.
Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.
I don't know Calamitas' playstyle to really know if this is true, but I don't know if I want to completely abandon Calamitas as a lynch option
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Unfortunately busy tonight, but I will be on before the deadline and will vote anyone who is at L-1 then.
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And I will try to get my thoughts down later tonight, but no promises.
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vote: Jake
Man RR what's your problem dude
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Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)
Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?
LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.
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Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)
Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?
LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.
You're too suspicious :) I wrote that then realised there's only two scums then left it as it is as a joke :P
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So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.
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My lynch preferences are something like RR > Space-A > Calamitas. Won't lynch LaLight, EFHW, e and probably not Robz.
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So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.
I'm here, though home sick again and about to be on a 1-hour conference call...
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So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.
I'm here, though home sick again and about to be on a 1-hour conference call...
Who would you vote for?
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I am terrible at making reads. I always laugh a little to myself when people label me a 'good' player, because of you look back through my record I actually have quite terrible reads most of the time. I am just confident and talk like I know what I am doing all the time.
Anyway, this time, I really have no clue, but need to put something down.
My favorite scum suspect right now is still faust, but most importantly, we need a lynch D1.
I feel like Jake is not the best lynch. I get the feeling that he will trap himself if he is scum on D3 or something, so willing to let that wait.
Space is active, and I hate lynching active people d1 because they usually get lynched because in their proliferation of posts, someone found something scummy. Which is easy enough to do.
But then....we haven't had any real lurkers this game (except me...sorry). Calamitas isn't actually lurking. Lower post count, but not lurking.
I am going to go back to an early gut read and put vote: faust out there. Nothing is L-1, and hopefully I will be able to log on before deadline, but maybe not.
Bottom line. We need a lynch. Let's get it done
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Fuck this.
I am the Tracker.
Move your vote now.
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I have no idea how people think I'm scum, because I'm not remotely scummy and haven't even tried to play differently this time.
Is there anyone else here? Let's do a lnch thing. Le's hope e comes back and uh doesn't just throw a vote there and leave. Man this sucks.
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And all of you convienently posted last night so I can't even prod you.
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Unvote
Can't focus while on this call -- will re-read at 3pm my time.
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I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.
Man I must have skipped this. This is not even a case. It's just hedgy opportunistic vote placement together with throwing the (completely unsupported by any evidence) idea out there that one of EFHW and me must be scum.
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So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?
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So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?
I love stalking. I spend half my time on the "who's online page"
Anyway, vote: SpaceAnemone
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So that's L-1.
I have a slight preference for lynching RR, but I won't complain if my second-best option gets lynched.
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I'd switch to RR if I feel like this becomes an option. I will be here until the deadline.
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I'm here for a minute and will be again for 15 at 10:15. Prefer Jake lynch over the other choices.
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I'm here for a minute and will be again for 15 at 10:15. Prefer Jake lynch over the other choices.
It's not happening.
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faust - why did you claim? You only had 2 votes.
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faust - why did you claim? You only had 2 votes.
I had the IC vote. Also in my head RR was still voting for me, so that would have been L-2.
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I don't like the Space wagon. Would consider Calamitas. He should have things to say by now.
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What about RR?
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Also, will you hammer Space over a no-lynch?
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So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?
I love stalking. I spend half my time on the "who's online page"
Anyway, vote: SpaceAnemone
That makes little sense... I'm one of only about two people who'd posted as well as viewed the page when faust posted that. Go poke all the people who're lurking instead!
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do we really have so little time? I prefer Calamitas/Jake/RR, this order.
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I'm here guys. Not really sure why I'm such a prime lynch but whatever.
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WOW IT'S REALLY ONE HOUR LEFT
Make a vote count somebody please
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Calamitas is still silent.
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Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)
Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?
LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.
You're too suspicious :) I wrote that then realised there's only two scums then left it as it is as a joke :P
Okay, another thing: why did you push me for acting differently at the end of last week? You're the only person in this game with whom I have personal enough conversations to have mentioned why I was so out of things at that point. It's not something anyone other than me would be able to pick up on, but in retrospect, it's also a bit suspicious :-(
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Calamitas is still silent.
He could still be in school. I think he was only expecting to be back the hour before the deadline anyway, wasn't he?
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Vote: RR
Let's see if this works.
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Calamitas is still silent.
He could still be in school. I think he was only expecting to be back the hour before the deadline anyway, wasn't he?
Now is hour before the deadline :)
I'm sorry for pushing. That was not intended as an offence.
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
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Vote: RR
Let's see if this works.
I'll bite.
Vote: RR
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
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Space-Count
Jake (3): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner
Calamitas (1): LaLight
Space (3): Robz, faust, e
RR (2): faust, Space
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.
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vote: RoadRunner7671
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.
Am I right in thinking the set-up point system means we can't have any other PRs in the game once we have a Tracker and an IC?
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The thing that just bugs me about RR is how we've had wagons for lurking (Calamitas) and for fluff (Jake) and RR does both these things and never gets suspected.
Plus there are signs in his play that signal scum, like the "oh I think this, but basically what I think is completely useless".
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.
Am I right in thinking the set-up point system means we can't have any other PRs in the game once we have a Tracker and an IC?
We can with sufficient negative modifiers, but it's unlikely.
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I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.
Am I right in thinking the set-up point system means we can't have any other PRs in the game once we have a Tracker and an IC?
We can with sufficient negative modifiers, but it's unlikely.
So why did you claim :(
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So why did you claim :(
So that you guys don't do anything stupid? And because I think we can lynch scum today.
Note also that something like
(neutral modifier) -> Roleblocker -> ICfied -> Tracker
is possible.
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EFHW-Count
Jake (3): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner
Space (3): Robz, e, Jake
RR (3): faust, Space, Lalight
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This is clearly a terrible wagon. Space or lalight are probably scum
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I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.
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This is clearly a terrible wagon. Space or lalight are probably scum
Let's lynch this guy already.
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Alright i'm fine with this Vote: RR This is L-1
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Would you take a no lynch over a space lynch?
I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.
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vote: SA
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So EFHW. What do you think about RR?
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I have no scum read on him at all.
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Still have no clue what the case on me is
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Can someone intend to hammer before they hammer please?
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Mine lynch order is SA>Calm>RR
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You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
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Still have no clue what the case on me is
tunneling space
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vote: SA
I am not going to vote for SA today
?
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Still have no clue what the case on me is
tunneling space
I think he's scum
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Still have no clue what the case on me is
tunneling space
That's not a case.
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
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You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
Which is why you didn't get suspected until now.
Everyone can be correctly lynched D1.
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EFHW-Count
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Space (4): Robz, e, Jake, RR
RR (3): faust, Space, Lalight
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Still have no clue what the case on me is
tunneling space
I think he's scum
Really?
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
sorry they
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vote: SA
I am not going to vote for SA today
?
I think he was considering giving me a day-pass out of pity/borrowed guilt, which was a silly reason anyway. If he thinks I'm scum he should vote for me.
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You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
Which is why you didn't get suspected until now.
Everyone can be correctly lynched D1.
It's not happening this game. I promise
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Would you take a no lynch over a space lynch?
I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.
No, I will switch to them if there will be no other way.
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
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gotta go
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EFHW-Count
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Space (4): Robz, e, Jake, RR
RR (3): faust, Space, Lalight
Your first count was better than mine, because I messed up.
But I think now Jake has moved to RR, so RR's the one at L-1, not me...
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
How does the wagon on you change your read on Space-A?
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Things change.
@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
How does the wagon on you change your read on Space-A?
I am 100% town. SA is not.
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New Space-Count
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Space (3): Robz, e, Roadrunner
RR (4): faust, Space, Lalight, Jake {L-1}
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gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!
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gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!
Now everyone who's here is voting for RR.
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I don't really want to get mislynched guys
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gotta go
Seriously bad timing, given that you're not on either major wagon!
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Jake Vote Count
Jake: EFHW, Calm (2)
RR: Jake, LL, Space, Faust
Space: RR, Robz, e
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I don't really want to get mislynched guys
Snap! :-P
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Jake Vote Count
Jake: EFHW, Calm (2)
RR: Jake, LL, Space, Faust
Space: RR, Robz, e
...
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Will be fine with space or RR
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gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!
Now everyone who's here is voting for RR.
Except RR himself!
Wel yeah. We can wait like 10 minutes for someone to show up, but otherwise we might have to move. I support waiting at least those 10 minutes though.
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@Jake move to your first choice between Sa and RR.
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I don't really want to get mislynched guys
Snap! :-P
Claim then
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@Jake move to your first choice between Sa and RR.
I'm pretty sure he's there already.
I hope that tomorrow, while you step over my cold body, you will think about everything that happened here.
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SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
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gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!
Now everyone who's here is voting for RR.
Except RR himself!
Wel yeah. We can wait like 10 minutes for someone to show up, but otherwise we might have to move. I support waiting at least those 10 minutes though.
I'm here till the deadline, so I can wait.
Are we expecting e and Robz?
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I'm back from school now. intend to hammer rr , no lynch would be catastrophic.
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I don't really want to get mislynched guys
Snap! :-P
Claim then
Were you even reading the PR part of the discussion a little while ago?
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I don't really want to get mislynched guys
Snap! :-P
Claim then
Were you even reading the PR part of the discussion a little while ago?
Yes
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I'm back from school now. intend to hammer rr , no lynch would be catastrophic.
RR's not at L-1 anymore.
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I'm a vanilla agent
I know that doesn't help my case but it's the truth
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Calamitas, if you vote now, we can get RR lynched with help of Jake.
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wow lol
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Vote Count 1.5
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Roadrunner (3): LaLight, SpaceAnemone, faust
SpaceAnemone (4): Robz, Roadrunner, e, Jake
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Calamitas, if you vote now, we can get RR lynched with help of Jake.
Stop please. You don't want to lynch me if you're town
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I'm not voting for myself :P
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I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
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I'm a vanilla agent
I know that doesn't help my case but it's the truth
Yeah, but as I was heavily implying earlier, there's very little chance of having anything other than VTs. Remember that even if we have some of those negative modifiers, as VTs we don't actually get to know about it usually.
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Vote Count 1.5
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Roadrunner (3): faust, SpaceAnemone, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (4): Robz, faust, e, Roadrunner, Jake
Not Voting (1):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
RR is not self-voting.
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I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
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Vote Count 1.5
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Roadrunner (3): faust, SpaceAnemone, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (4): Robz, faust, e, Roadrunner, Jake
Not Voting (1):
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
This makes no sense please retry Big G
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I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
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The thing refreshed while I posted. Neat!
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I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
No.
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Space-Count
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Space (4): Robz, e, Roadrunner, Jake
RR (3): faust, Space, Lalight
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Vote Count 1.5
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
That's what I see.
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Vote Count 1.5
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
That's what I see.
Same
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Vote Count 1.5
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Roadrunner (3): LaLight, SpaceAnemone, faust
SpaceAnemone (4): Robz, Roadrunner, e, Jake
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.
Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?
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I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.
Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?
I think Space has been a lot townier in this final series of posts and we should lynch RR.
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I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.
Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?
You can see what he thinks.
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I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
No.
Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P
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I think RR's claim is false lynch him Vote: RR
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I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
No.
Typo, wanted to write worse. Self-voting is sensible as VT to avoid no-lynch. Though here an alternative (SA) exists, so it isn't good anymore for town!rr to self-vote.
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Well, I'm dead. But I am town.
Good luck guys :)
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Trying to go out on a high note ;)
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I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
No.
Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P
Nah. The sole reason VT mislynches can be okay is wagon analysis. You break that by self-voting.
Also we can lynch RR now.
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8 minutes guys someone vote RR
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I'd be scummy on Jake and LaLight guys, but I think that's all I got.
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Well, I'm dead. But I am town.
Good luck guys :)
You're not dead yet, but of course ou know this, you've been quoting vote counts. This is just a fake townslip attempt.
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Well, I'm dead. But I am town.
Good luck guys :)
You're not dead yet, but of course ou know this, you've been quoting vote counts. This is just a fake townslip attempt.
I know we're not in twilight, I meant I am 100% going to die
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vote: rr
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@Calamitas, come on!
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vote: rr
Phew.
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Now I'm dead.
I was town, of course. But good luck!
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@Calamitas, come on!
You should check your PPEs ;)
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@Calamitas, come on!
He's hammered :-)
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There
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Vote Count 1.final
Jake (1): EFHW
Roadrunner (5): LaLight, SpaceAnemone, faust, Jake, Calamitas
SpaceAnemone (3): Robz, Roadrunner, e
Not Voting (0):
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch
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@Calamitas, come on!
You should check your PPEs ;)
It wasn't there surprisingly
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Don't know why Jake is so satisfied...
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Bye!
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Don't know why Jake is so satisfied...
I'm not but we needed a lynch
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Final thoughts:
EFHW seems like town. LaLight too.
If RR is sucm, we should be good. Otherwise, look at Space and Calamitas again. Also, Robz needs a closer look on D2.
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Why do you think that? Because tyhat's what peopel told you?
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Final thoughts:
EFHW seems like town. LaLight too.
If RR is sucm, we should be good. Otherwise, look at Space and Calamitas again. Also, Robz needs a closer look on D2.
I'm not scum my dude
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RR, see ya in the other threads!
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EFHW seems like town.
Can you explain that one a little more?
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EFHW seems like town.
Can you explain that one a little more?
As scum she only has one partner. She could have decided this by voting for the person who isn't her partner. She didn't. That's townie. (Of course this assumes that scum was among the options.)
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I can see Faust/EFHW-team. E will be killed, fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
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fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
Not quite sure how these two go together.
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fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
Not quite sure how these two go together.
You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.
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There is scum on my wagon just so you guys know.
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And it looks like peopel still cant't really read me, but it happens
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fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
Not quite sure how these two go together.
You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.
We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.
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There is scum on my wagon just so you guys know.
Yeah well, the only way there's no scum on your wagon if you're town is if the scum is EFHW/Robz.
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fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
Not quite sure how these two go together.
You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.
We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.
Massclaim D2 is a horrible idea, if you're scum. We have more town PRs and scum will have its targets.
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fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
Not quite sure how these two go together.
You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.
We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.
Massclaim D2 is a horrible idea, if you're scum. We have more town PRs and scum will have its targets.
This is a small game. Catching scum is more important than hoping for stuff to happen that never may.
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Annie raced to find Lena. She knew that her last location was in Moscow. But she also knew no one in their right mind would let her back into Russia. She needed a cover and she needed one fast.
Maybe she could use her Smithsonian cover?
No too risky. Lena had known about that cover when Annie worked for her.
She needed something else... Something edgy. She knew just the thing.
As she went through паспортный контроль, they asked her what she was up to.
Фамилия, имя, отчество? the guard asked.
Excuse me?
Your name please? He asked in a somewhat annoyed tone.
Madison Straights, I'm here to interview Russians about life under Putin for a story I'm putting together for the American people. I'm trying to give them a picture of what it would be like to live here.
The guard rolled his eyes, stamped her passport, said "Добро пожаловать в Россию" and she was on her way. Little did she know, Lena was already at work. Her one-time handler, and dearest friend was dead.
Roadrunner has been lynched. He was Calder Michaels, the Vanilla Agent
Night 1 begins now and ends between 36 hours and 48 hours from now. Night actions are due in 35 hours.
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Annie was hot on her trail and she knew it. Lena kept slipping through her fingers, so she knew she needed some help. So she called in a favor from Eyal. She knew that Mossad would have better access in Russia than the CIA ever could.
So Annie called Eyal.
At the end of their conversation, Eyal said, "You look beautiful by the way."
Annie turned around. Eyal was standing right behind her. The two embraced.
"So what do you have on Lena?"
"Well I was able to scrounge this up. Lena may have killed all of the CIA's operatives working in Russia, but Mossad still has some under cover operatives here."
"She's at the Большой Театр? I didn't even know people could live there?"
"She's in a small apartment in the basement. Apparently she loves the ballet and has her own private box."
"Wanna go see a ballet?"
Just then, a shot fired. Eyal stumbled forward. He was shot. "Помогите! Помогите!" Annie yelled.
But it was no use. Eyal was dead.
faust has died in the night! They were Eyal, the Tracker.
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Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting (7): LaLight, JakeTheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, e
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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Not great. Sorry to miss deadline, guys. I completely forgot. Was an insanely busy IRL week for me.
I wouldn't have objected to the lynch choice, though.
Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
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Dang it
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
See, by default, I would have assumed it started with a role, just because that was listed first. And since the algorithm for picking the list isn't given, we can't know that he doesn't randomize between the two lists (i.e. using a coin-toss) each time or something. (And since there are 7 in each list in this particular setup, that's the same as having a single list and rolling a d14 each time). The different selection algorithms should yield slightly different distributions.
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
Correct. Except I switched 1 and 3 this time. I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.
I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
Correct. Except I switched 1 and 3 this time. I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.
I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
Correct. Except I switched 1 and 3 this time. I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.
I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?
Exactly
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
Correct. Except I switched 1 and 3 this time. I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.
I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?
Players without modifiers will get them before players with modifiers get a second modifier, same with roles.
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vote: Robz for the question about PRs. Why not look for yourself?
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By which I mean it reads as someone who doesn't feel part of town. Also may be fishing a bit.
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What do you think about a massclaim?
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I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
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What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
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What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.
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What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.
How?
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My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
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My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter
why me? I'm with you on the partners.
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What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.
How?
It says in read text at the end of the setup-post that scum knows what roles are in the game, but not what modifiers there are.
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What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.
How?
It says in read text at the end of the setup-post that scum knows what roles are in the game, but not what modifiers there are.
No one knows what modifiers there are, they aren't even revealed after flip.
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
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Sorry, guests in town this weekend, not a ton of time.
Not a fan of the RR lynch, but I feel like after my initial kick off lynching RR in a bunch of games I have turned into an RR apologist.
That being said, still need to reread and evaluate the last few pages because I haven't really read the lynch sequence yet. I will get that done and give comments when I can
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
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vote: Robz for the question about PRs. Why not look for yourself?
Um, I mean, I did, but it's confusing and I don't fully understand how it works, honestly.
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My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
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My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?
You don't speak with each other much but don't distance either. Always ready to bus.
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target
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I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.
Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target
That one is actually pretty desirable
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What do you think about a massclaim?
I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.
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What do you think about a massclaim?
I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.
Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?
Calamitas, you pointed out earlier that we don't know anything about modifiers even after the flip, which is true, but we do know in this specific case that e's IC-ness comes about from the modifiers list rather than the roles list. I think that pushes the marginal likelihood of the existence of another PR down a little, but I've still not run the numbers at all because of illness and Pandemic Legacy, which together have mostly occupied my day :-P
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Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?
I really don't know. I do not feel like I understand this setup as well as other people.
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")
I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")
I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")
I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.
Nope. Better kill the PR than VT-IC (see faust). If we mislynch today, we're at lylo tomorrow and no one guarantees that E will do the right thing (though he narrows the lynchpool being IC)
All in all I'm against massclaim, though I'm for it D3.
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unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.
Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange. Space also seems towny.
Jake still not particularly towny. Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!
Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
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Simple PoE shows that I'm kinda right.
I believe now Calamitas is town. E is town. Jake seems town. Me is town.
This leaves SA, Robz, EFHW. SA is a hard opponent if scum. I'll look further.
This leaves EFHW and Robz.
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unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.
Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange. Space also seems towny.
Jake still not particularly towny. Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!
Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.
Vote: EFHW
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unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.
Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange. Space also seems towny.
Jake still not particularly towny. Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!
Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.
Vote: EFHW
hm, bussing now?
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unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.
Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange. Space also seems towny.
Jake still not particularly towny. Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!
Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.
Vote: EFHW
I realized the setup is super complicated and that I am intimidated by your past scum performances, making me distrust everything you say. POE does leave with me with you and Jake as the scum, but I'm going with Jake first.
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unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.
Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange. Space also seems towny.
Jake still not particularly towny. Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!
Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
1. What case do you have on me?
2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
3. That vote and case is nothing Vote: EFHW
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The case is your tunnelling SA and this:
I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
"Definitely" a veteran scum?
And a lack of towny contributions.
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2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
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The case is your tunnelling SA and this:
I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
"Definitely" a veteran scum?
And a lack of towny contributions.
One go back i have told my reads more than most people in the game
Two it's to hard to figure out who's scum which means their is most likely/definitely a vet scum
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2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
Also i'm always defensive ask anyone i have played with
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
Coool vote him someone
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oh, no, I'm not voting for some strange reason. vote: EFHW
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now she is on L-1
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
Coool vote him someone
She is a she. Please, be more attentive. Thank you.
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
I only see 2 votes for me - Jake and Robz.
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
I only see 2 votes for me - Jake and Robz.
and LL
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and sorry EFHW
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EFHW IS ON L-1.
I only see 2 votes for me - Jake and Robz.
Yeah, sorry I thought I was voting. Am voting now.
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
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Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.
PPE: second point can be fake, you know that.
PPE: don't claim until intention.
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
Whoops strike 3 posted that at same time as you
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Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.
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Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.
+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.
PPE: second point can be fake, you know that.
PPE: don't claim until intention.
So it's POE and an impression? I'll reread Day 1, too.
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right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.
PPE: second point can be fake, you know that.
PPE: don't claim until intention.
So it's POE and an impression? I'll reread Day 1, too.
Do you have something better on anyone?
Does anybody have something better on anyone?
PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
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EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
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EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
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EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though
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EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though
Jake continues making her mistake.
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EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though
Jake continues making her mistake.
Dang it sorry EFHW
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Vote Count 2.1
Jake (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, e
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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Vote Count 2.1
Jake (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, e
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
Thanks Big G
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Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.
+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?
If I'm scum, I prefer a lynch and there was lots of cover for hammering since no one was making any argument against either lynch. But I need to reread. I don't remember everything off the top of my head.
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PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
Yeah, except when it doesn't!
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PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
Yeah, except when it doesn't!
But it does
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Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.
+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?
Yeah, I didn't understand at all why faust thought this made EFHW townier.
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
Thanks robz me too
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Robz is my second big scum tell
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Actually, if and only if EFHW flips town I'm calling Robz/Jake team.
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Oops.. falling a little behind on this one because it's my first day back in the office after being off ill again for part of last week, and I'm not multitasking all that well. I'll sneak home early soon, then I should have some nice forum time to myself this evening.
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Oops.. falling a little behind on this one because it's my first day back in the office after being off ill again for part of last week, and I'm not multitasking all that well. I'll sneak home early soon, then I should have some nice forum time to myself this evening.
Here's what you need to know EFHW is scum and you should vote him
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Oops.. falling a little behind on this one because it's my first day back in the office after being off ill again for part of last week, and I'm not multitasking all that well. I'll sneak home early soon, then I should have some nice forum time to myself this evening.
Here's what you need to know EFHW is scum and you should vote him
If I had a better idea of the current vote count, I'd risk voting you on pronouns alone! >:(
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
Have you ever seen me not play careless
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
Have you ever seen me not play careless
I have never seen you play much
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Plus I care about the game a lot that's why I post a lot
And Vote EFHW please
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
To this extent?
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
She really!!! Do I have to do this too my pronouns are he/him/his/lord ruler of the earth/The Baseball god and his awesomeness
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
To this extent?
Si oui
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
To this extent?
Yea *sigh*
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
To this extent?
Yea *sigh*
Sigh what the heck man there's no sigh there's just yea
Vote EFHW people
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So I reread Day 1 and there was no case against me presented there by anyone except Robz. His case was that there must be a veteran scum and I seemed scummier than faust. Fine by Day 1 standards, but Jake and Lalight are both proceeding as though there was an established case that they are returning to, and there really isn't. Jake several times stated I was towny, in fact.
I'm standing by my Jake vote.
Also, RR was town, knows Jake irl, and thought he was scum.
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!
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1. RR always says I'm scum in every game and two I said Faust was town and more info has come out that has made you scum and claim
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!
Sorry, won't happen again :)
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
I've given multiple reasons for finding Jake scummy
The case is your tunnelling SA and this:
I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
"Definitely" a veteran scum?
And a lack of towny contributions.
2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
Now I'll add tunneling me, and making it sound like there were previous cases when there were not.
right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
I've given multiple reasons for finding Jake scummy
The case is your tunnelling SA and this:
I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
"Definitely" a veteran scum?
And a lack of towny contributions.
2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
Now I'll add tunneling me, and making it sound like there were previous cases when there were not.
right, ok, but I'm not scum. Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
#someone vote this girl
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
You voted me after one and two those reasons are false and three CLAIM
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
Vote her dead calm you got this you can do it
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
You mean your case that good and your case on me that's crap
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Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!
I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
I think Jake is just acting careless, pretty neutral since he has been seen behaving as scum similarly. In that regard, pretty much the whole case falls apart. If someone plays careless the way he does, ridiculous cases (SA, the one on you) and flip-floppiness is just going to happen and not actually alignment indicative. So overall a big 0 on Jake.
The case on you by Jake is obviously ridiculous (it is basically "You are driving suspicion away from you, so you are scum"). Though I don' like your read change on Robz as he pointed out. So slight scum points for you, though not nearly enough to get you to claim that early in the day (except we are doing a massclaim which would be actually great).
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That's not my case it's part but my case builds off of LL's and robz
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?
This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
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Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.
Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town". It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?
This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
I have heard that he has trolled as scum before as well. I think it's just his character and not alignment that is leading to this.
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This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
I have heard that he has trolled as scum before as well. I think it's just his character and not alignment that is leading to this.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with this to a certain extent, though I think if he found that being trolly scum got him townread elsewhere, he might be trying the same thing again, so I have a very slight scumrread on him, I guess.
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I'm always like this and I'm not trolly
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There was some other stuff that I thought made Jake seem townie, I would have to go back and re-read to dig it up, which I might do at some pt when I have more time.
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Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!
I propose "it" as a suitable pronoun to use for Jake if he needs reminding about pronouns again :-) It also has the advantage of circumventing the problem of insulting a guy by calling him a girl/feminine, which is not an ideal example, from a feminist perspective.
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so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:
1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
I'm all for scum making that sort of claim, actually!
I think people are neglecting Calamitas's point about how close we are to Lylo.
For three of us, each other player (besides e) has a 40% prior chance of being scum, which is really high. From my point of view (and two others of you too!), it's almost worth reading for each of the 20 possible scum-pairs looking for partner tells. I did something like that in BSG and nailed the team (which included Calamitas), but then got mislynched anyway. The worry is that if we have a super-team of Robz and EFHW, they're probably practised enough at it not to be so detectable. I'd have more confidence in getting Calamitas, LL or Jake, though.
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For three of us, each other player (besides e) has a 40% prior chance of being scum, which is really high. From my point of view (and two others of you too!), it's almost worth reading for each of the 20 possible scum-pairs looking for partner tells. I did something like that in BSG and nailed the team (which included Calamitas), but then got mislynched anyway. The worry is that if we have a super-team of Robz and EFHW, they're probably practised enough at it not to be so detectable. I'd have more confidence in getting Calamitas, LL or Jake, though.
This can be useful but is a huge undertaking that I know I don't have time for. It's easier if--and hopefully when--we actually catch a scum. Then you go back and eliminate potential partners based on interactions. Scum partners forget to interact with each other sometimes, that's the big give away. They also strongly vote for their partners when there's no pressure to do so, weakly vote their partners when pressure appears, and try to pivot away from their partners when partners are in danger, but not in an obvious way. It's like, "Oh, I would totally vote for X, X is so scummy, but what about Y? Of course, we could always do X! But Y."
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Guys your been distracted by the scum EFHW debating over a mass claim instead of lynching him
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Shouldn't it be 4 of us, SA, not 3? 40% is really high. Improving our odds further by reads, one would think we could catch scum today.
I see a Jake lynch isn't going to fly today. Which leaves me fresh out of ideas. Is there any interest in lynching Robz?
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I do just want to point out that if it's a Robz/Jake scumteam, Robz's defense of Jake would be a deception, even though it is nice and persuasive. I think Jake likes trolling enough that he could pull this off as scum, and enjoy it, too. So I don't think it is towny.
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I do just want to point out that if it's a Robz/Jake scumteam, Robz's defense of Jake would be a deception, even though it is nice and persuasive. I think Jake likes trolling enough that he could pull this off as scum, and enjoy it, too. So I don't think it is towny.
I do and I have a fresh idea, how about we lynch you
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well.
Some tume ago I promised myself not to post things in the mornings especially if they are important for the game enough, but now I'll do that still.
Neither Calamitas nor SA intented to hammer. Either one of them is EFHW's scum partner (if she's scum) or they're both town (if she's town). E didn't show up. And if i think on this as alignment-indicative, then I should give some town credit to EFHW. So Unvote
Jake is impossibly hard to read because me myself is asking the same question each time I want to vote: is it because of scumminess or his trolling? Sometimes the line is thin.
Is there a chance of the case where Jake and EFHW just hard-bus each other? hmm. I don't think so.
But Jake's hard tunneling of people is something unusual for him actually.
Calling Robz/Jake scum team. And I still keep an eye on EFHW. That's exactly how she always wins MVP as scum.
vote: JakeTheBaseballGod22
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I think the problem with jake is that his play style doesn't allow really judging him. His carelessness and tunneling style is absolutely anti-town but not alignment-indicative. So I would go with Jake over other null reads (due to him being not quite an asset) but not over actual scum-reads.
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There was some other stuff that I thought made Jake seem townie, I would have to go back and re-read to dig it up, which I might do at some pt when I have more time.
I think this would be quite worthwhile now. Do you have any actual case for him being townie?
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Shouldn't it be 4 of us, SA, not 3? 40% is really high. Improving our odds further by reads, one would think we could catch scum today.
You're quite right, I forgot to count myself back in when looking at the 5 of you in my potential lynch pool :-P
I see a Jake lynch isn't going to fly today. Which leaves me fresh out of ideas. Is there any interest in lynching Robz?
It may yet fly... As Calamitas says, Jake's behaviour is anti-town, and that's almost enough to make me want to take him out of the game. The worry is just that he's being anti-town because he's a kid and not because he's scum.
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Oh, hey, and it's only 10 possible scumteams for each of us to worry about, not 20. Scumpoints for everyone for not correcting my terribly maths from yesterday :-P
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Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW
Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
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How have I been anti town? The only one who said that is EFHW who btw is the scum what happend to debating over him
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Ffs can he do it on purpose?
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sorry to do this but Prod: E
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sorry to do this but Prod: E
Prod Sent
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request vote count
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Vote Count 2.2
Jake (2): EFHW, LaLight
EFHW (2): Robz, Jake
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, e
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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Sorry guys. Dropping the ball here. This wasn't a great weekend availability wise and this week isn't really looking better
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Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW
Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
Why specifically did you came to those results?
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Sorry guys. Dropping the ball here. This wasn't a great weekend availability wise and this week isn't really looking better
Someone needs to talk to e's work about (innocent) child labor laws.
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Re-reading things is slow, and doesn't give a full picture because voting patterns and contexts matter too. So here's a complete history of all the voting in D1, to save the rest of you the trouble. Pair-wise reads to follow when I have the time, probably.
I do see EFHW's point about the possibility of a Robz-Jake scumteam. I kind of regret not hammering Jake one of the times I had the opportunity, but I'm quite worried that he may actually just be really annoying, and not actually scum. Clearly, the correct meta-game play is to vote for him in order to discourage that sort of behaviour, but I've been hesitant up till now at least.
Complete D1 Voting History
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#65
Not Voting: LL, RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#66
Calamitas: LL
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#69
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#71
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust
Not Voting: RR, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#82
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#87
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#98
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#109
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: RR, e
#116
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL
faust:
#125
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: e
#130
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#158
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: Jake
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#185
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#205
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e
#221
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e
#230
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Not Voting: e
#243
EFHW: Space
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
Not Voting: e
#247
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
LL: Space
Not Voting: e
#254
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e
#263
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e
#264
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
Not Voting: e
#301
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e
#363
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e
#374
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
EFHW: LL
Not Voting: e
#419
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space
EFHW: LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#433
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#439
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#444
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Not Voting: e
#448
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Space: Robz
Not Voting: e
#454
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust
Not Voting: e
#455
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#457
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, RR
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#477
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, e
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
#484
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake, e {L-1}
#501
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust
#504
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space
#508
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space, LL
#518
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, e
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#520
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#558
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust, Space, LL
#586
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#595
Jake: EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas {Lynched}
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Re-reading things is slow, and doesn't give a full picture because voting patterns and contexts matter too. So here's a complete history of all the voting in D1, to save the rest of you the trouble. Pair-wise reads to follow when I have the time, probably.
I do see EFHW's point about the possibility of a Robz-Jake scumteam. I kind of regret not hammering Jake one of the times I had the opportunity, but I'm quite worried that he may actually just be really annoying, and not actually scum. Clearly, the correct meta-game play is to vote for him in order to discourage that sort of behaviour, but I've been hesitant up till now at least.
Complete D1 Voting History
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#65
Not Voting: LL, RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#66
Calamitas: LL
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#69
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#71
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust
Not Voting: RR, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#82
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#87
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#98
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e
#109
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: RR, e
#116
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL
faust:
#125
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: e
#130
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#158
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: Jake
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#185
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e
#205
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e
#221
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e
#230
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Not Voting: e
#243
EFHW: Space
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
Not Voting: e
#247
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
LL: Space
Not Voting: e
#254
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e
#263
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e
#264
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
Not Voting: e
#301
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e
#363
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e
#374
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
EFHW: LL
Not Voting: e
#419
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space
EFHW: LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#433
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#439
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust
Not Voting: e
#444
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Not Voting: e
#448
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Space: Robz
Not Voting: e
#454
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust
Not Voting: e
#455
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#457
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, RR
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e
#477
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, e
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
#484
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake, e {L-1}
#501
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust
#504
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space
#508
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space, LL
#518
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, e
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#520
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#558
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust, Space, LL
#586
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
#595
Jake: EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas {Lynched}
Lynching Jake is something we can do later just as well, there is no need to rush and deny us valuable info we might get until then.
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So. The RR lynch. Not a huge fan, obviously. But consider this: do you think there were two scum on that wagon? Or just one?
On wagon: Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas
Off wagon: Robz, EFHW, e
I am still interested in Space a bit as well as calamitas.
Jake feels like happy-go-lucky lets lynch everyone town for end of D1
I think LaLight is playing a good game and it feels very dangerous.
I don't think both Robz and EFHW are scum (based on both being off wagon end of D1) I think they could potentially both be town.
I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.
Anyway, sleep now. I have had 1.5 hours of sleep since yesterday morning, so I am a little tired.
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Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW
Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
Why specifically did you came to those results?
You can see the answer :)
Red are couples consisting of my scumreads.
If the pair has strong townread, it's green.
If the pair has SA, it's pink (slight scumread)
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So. The RR lynch. Not a huge fan, obviously. But consider this: do you think there were two scum on that wagon? Or just one?
On wagon: Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas
Off wagon: Robz, EFHW, e
I am still interested in Space a bit as well as calamitas.
Jake feels like happy-go-lucky lets lynch everyone town for end of D1
I think LaLight is playing a good game and it feels very dangerous.
I don't think both Robz and EFHW are scum (based on both being off wagon end of D1) I think they could potentially both be town.
I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.
Anyway, sleep now. I have had 1.5 hours of sleep since yesterday morning, so I am a little tired.
Hmmm this makes a point. I won't believe in EFHW/Robz team. It's SA, Robz, EFHW and Jake I see scummy. One on the wagon, one off.
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I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.
Don't waste your time on me, I'm town.
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Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW
Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
Why specifically did you came to those results?
You can see the answer :)
Red are couples consisting of my scumreads.
If the pair has strong townread, it's green.
If the pair has SA, it's pink (slight scumread)
Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!
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Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW
Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
Why specifically did you came to those results?
You can see the answer :)
Red are couples consisting of my scumreads.
If the pair has strong townread, it's green.
If the pair has SA, it's pink (slight scumread)
Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!
Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)
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Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!
Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)
Funny how you needed to remind yourself that possible pairings with you in them were townie-coloured ;-)
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Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!
Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)
Funny how you needed to remind yourself that possible pairings with you in them were townie-coloured ;-)
I feel a faint smell of provocation there.. :-P
I'm perfectionist, if I make something, I make it whole. All the possible pairings.
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Ok I have a new hot take. I'm calling a LL/EFHW scum team due to the these facts
1. EFHW. She has been perceived as for a while now and in my opinion the best D-2 lynch. If you want a more in depth case just look back. Also her interactions with LL have been weird (look in LL section for that)
2. LaLight. Well for one LL has been playing really well btw. In fact LL has almost been playing two well kind of like a godfather scum. Another reason is LL interactions with EFHW. At first LL hammered EFHW with reasons to lynch her but as soon as the wagon on EFHW started to get real she completely backed off changing the conversation away from EFHW.
Those are my highest scum reads but would still prefer a EFHW lynch over a LL because i'm more confident in that lynch
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Hm, firstly, I didn't hammer EFHW. Secondly I explained my case on her some times.
P.S. I'm fine with "she", everyone, don't mind, plz
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My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
EFHW both times
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Jake's case is not amazing, but it is the type of case I expect more from town than scum
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Simple PoE shows that I'm kinda right.
I believe now Calamitas is town. E is town. Jake seems town. Me is town.
This leaves SA, Robz, EFHW. SA is a hard opponent if scum. I'll look further.
This leaves EFHW and Robz.
Another post to kill EFHW
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Actually, if and only if EFHW flips town I'm calling Robz/Jake team.
And then after this post you never mention EFHW again (this was around the time EFHW's wagon got serious)
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unvote
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New phone, inconvenient af
I believe Jake now. That was adequate case. That leaves me with 2,5 scum reads (0,5 being SA :-P)
Feeling well to return to vote: efhw
Fyi, Jake, I didn't stop seeing her as scum. You just seemed a better idea at that moment. I've made colored grid where you can see efhw being my scumread. So, this is it. I hope there's not a lot of tupos, new phone doesn't show me my post
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Lol the pnly typo is in the word typo
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Vote: LaLight
Going all day without voting until the end is no fun
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
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Vote: LaLight
Going all day without voting until the end is no fun
Why?
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
He made a good adequate case he'd never do being scum.
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
He made a good adequate case he'd never do being scum.
Against you maybe, not against me. And assuming for the moment that he did make some kind of adequate case, why wouldn't he make a good case as scum? That's what most scum try to do when given enough scummy material to work with.
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
So the logical town choice is to vote me if what you've said is what you believe but instead you vote LL. Possible major scumtell folks take a hard look at EFHW when voting
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vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now? They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
So the logical town choice is to vote me if what you've said is what you believe but instead you vote LL. Possible major scumtell folks take a hard look at EFHW when voting
No, that's not actually logical. I don't know for a fact that you are scum. You have just been the scummiest. I am open to other possibilities, including contradictory ones. If a wagon on you becomes viable, I will be back.
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Vote: LaLight
Going all day without voting until the end is no fun
Why?
Because it is fun to vote. And you are scummier than others
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Vote: LaLight
Going all day without voting until the end is no fun
Why?
Because it is fun to vote. And you are scummier than others
How am i scummier?
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I find your voting history scummy
I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy
I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy
But maybe that is just me
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I would be fine with lynching LaLight
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I find your voting history scummy
I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy
I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy
But maybe that is just me
Could you elaborate a little?
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I find your voting history scummy
I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy
I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy
But maybe that is just me
In my read-through, I've noted that LL has put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW at L-1 at various points in the game. And at no point was I on the Jake or EFHW wagons, meaning I could have hammered at any time. (Several others also could have, but I know I'm town, so that part matters here). So that made me kind of less suspicious of him being scum with either or them, or with Calamitas really, since there were loads of other towns there, like you or RR. Would scums bus their partner as much as that and risk losing them when there wasn't really all that much suspicion?
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What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
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What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
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What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.
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I was waiting to see how the situation between EFHW and LL would play out and then posted my reads after they finshed
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What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.
Yes, I agree with you there, but I also think that how two players interact with one another is somewhat indicative, since it was the level of agreement and non-hostility between you and Mail-mi through the whole of BSG that was the main tip-off for me.
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What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.
Yes, I agree with you there, but I also think that how two players interact with one another is somewhat indicative, since it was the level of agreement and non-hostility between you and Mail-mi through the whole of BSG that was the main tip-off for me.
Sure, I wasn't referring to a LaLight/Jake team though but was rather irritated about his sudden scumread.
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I find your voting history scummy
I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy
I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy
But maybe that is just me
In my read-through, I've noted that LL has put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW at L-1 at various points in the game. And at no point was I on the Jake or EFHW wagons, meaning I could have hammered at any time. (Several others also could have, but I know I'm town, so that part matters here). So that made me kind of less suspicious of him being scum with either or them, or with Calamitas really, since there were loads of other towns there, like you or RR. Would scums bus their partner as much as that and risk losing them when there wasn't really all that much suspicion?
This is an interesting point, but doesn't rule out enough possible partners to clear him.
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I kinda understand the case on me but really? We have so much possible strong scumreads and you blame me. Don't do this, I sencerely played this game towniest than ever (no, not because I'm scum). Lynching me is a mistake. Not the hard one, but still. Next day is LyLo and we should lynch the scummiest person here. It's just Jake and EFHW are switching in my eyes. One is scummier than the other.
Also, Robz is kinda lurking (I know he's VLA now, but it's not the first day he does that). But still! We need to lych the scummiest one, not the suspicious one.
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I would still do a Robz lynch.
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I would still do a Robz lynch.
I would vote him to hear something but he's VLA and it doesn't make much sense. When he'll be here I'd vote. How much time do we have?
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Checked. 52 hours left.
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Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.
I do hope we have some PR.
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This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
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Let's do this:
1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
4) Robz, what do you think about EFHW play? What about Jake?
5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
6) E, hi! How are you?
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Let's do this:
1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
4) Robz, what do you think about EFHW play? What about Jake?
5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
6) E, hi! How are you?
If you don't answer, explain please, why (apart from "LaLight youre clearly scum everyone vote him")
If you have any questions for me, ask them, I'll be willing to answer any.
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Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.
I do hope we have some PR.
I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.
I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.
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Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.
I do hope we have some PR.
I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.
I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.
Will you be able to finish these till the deadline?
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1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
Clearly I have not, from my detailed voting analysis I posted the other night :-)
Main reason is "analysis paralysis" -- there's too much nuanced data to take in, and I feel we ought to be able to optimise our chances of lynching scum, but I can't quite work out how.
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I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
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Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.
I do hope we have some PR.
I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.
I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.
Will you be able to finish these till the deadline?
Yeah, I'll need to finish and vote by the end of tonight, I think. I'm hosting a guest for the weekend, and they're turning up pretty much as I leave work tomorrow, so my free time available for forum reading/obsessing will plummet, and I may not be able to be online for the deadline :-(
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I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
Provocative? I don't think I've been called that before :-P I'm town -- you're just really paranoid, which might make me feel more towny on you, except that I'm still paranoid about how much you've been pushing me this game right from the start :-(
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I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
Provocative? I don't think I've been called that before :-P I'm town -- you're just really paranoid, which might make me feel more towny on you, except that I'm still paranoid about how much you've been pushing me this game right from the start :-(
Looks like that thing: you see me scummy every game, I see you scummy every game too. We are inclined to scumread people we know irl :-P
Sorry for pushing. Tht's the strategy I chose to see how this will work out. (Witherweaver is my Mafia idol)
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You guys know each other irl??
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You guys know each other irl??
Not really, though we have some Skype calls often and a big history of e-mails.
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LaLight's most recent outbreak of posts feels much townier to me. I feel like they are sincerely trying to move the game along in the right direction.
I could definitely go back to SpaceAnemone. Their lynch was very close a few times yesterday, but never quite enough votes for a lynch. Very possible partner not wanting to bus D1.
unvote for now
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This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
I don't see how you get to this conclusion. It's Robz, who you say is V/LA, Jake who is tunneling me, and you. If you mean that no one has hammered me yet, maybe our town players just have good sense. Or scum do, since an early hammer would be very suspicious.
I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
I was also surprised to see this sudden scumread on Space, who has been active and whom you called provocative just a few posts before.
In contrast, your list of questions to town is townier. I don't feel like answering the questions to me, though, since I feel like I have addressed all those things in my posts.
My townread on Calamitas is fading from lack of reinforcement, so more posting from him would be great.
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This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
I don't see how you get to this conclusion. It's Robz, who you say is V/LA, Jake who is tunneling me, and you. If you mean that no one has hammered me yet, maybe our town players just have good sense. Or scum do, since an early hammer would be very suspicious.
Yeah, but this leaves people who at least could intent to have something from you, but they didn't do anything.
I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
I was also surprised to see this sudden scumread on Space, who has been active and whom you called provocative just a few posts before.
In contrast, your list of questions to town is townier. I don't feel like answering the questions to me, though, since I feel like I have addressed all those things in my posts.
My townread on Calamitas is fading from lack of reinforcement, so more posting from him would be great.
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They was provocative just this time. And I felt like it's something new though Space likes being provocative in Mafia games :-P
So you can just answer here so we could summarize your answers?
Agreed.
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5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
Ok, Jake is the most scummy. Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest. My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him. But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.
Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches. Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
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You guys know each other irl??
Yeah, we got to know each other through f.ds PMs, though haven't actually met IRL yet! Hopefully soon!!
(I first joined the forum because I do know Haddock IRL, though, and we see each other once or twice a week...)
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Wait how am i most scummy. Your the one who is scum would be fine with LL lynch but much prefer a EFHW lynch and I have no clue how you guys/girls/they's can't see that but if you people wanna lynch LL i'm fine with that
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Wait how am i most scummy. Your the one who is scum would be fine with LL lynch but much prefer a EFHW lynch and I have no clue how you guys/girls/they's can't see that but if you people wanna lynch LL i'm fine with that
Will you answer my questions?
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5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
Ok, Jake is the most scummy. Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest. My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him. But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.
Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches. Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
And also your mega flippy on LL almost as much as he is on you so people can we please kill one of the scum team of EFHW or LL
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I think its just you and EFHW LL so the answer is no I don't think there's any other scum beside's you
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5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
Ok, Jake is the most scummy. Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest. My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him. But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.
Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches. Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
And also your mega flippy on LL almost as much as he is on you so people can we please kill one of the scum team of EFHW or LL
I think you aren't calibrated yet as to how scum-hunting and voting work.
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I will bite
Vote: Jake
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Ok your part of your case on LL was that he was switching a lot and I was just pointing out that you were as well but somehow I get a vote for just pointing that out why
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Vote Count 2.3
Jake (1): e
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
I still think he may be scum but on D-2 EFHW has a better/stronger case against him so I voted him we can lynch SA or LL later but I'm more sure in the EFHW lynch with the info provided on D-2. Also SA has looked much more like town in D-2
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
I still think he may be scum but on D-2 EFHW has a better/stronger case against him so I voted him we can lynch SA or LL later but I'm more sure in the EFHW lynch with the info provided on D-2. Also SA has looked much more like town in D-2
Jake, you have been put on the strike system.
You now have 0 strikes.
Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
I still think he may be scum but on D-2 EFHW has a better/stronger case against him so I voted him we can lynch SA or LL later but I'm more sure in the EFHW lynch with the info provided on D-2. Also SA has looked much more like town in D-2
You have entered D2 with vastly different scum reads then before the night, SA's D2 behaviour doesn't explain that.
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
Calamitas, you have been put on the strike system.
You now have 0 strikes.
Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.
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Ok I'm just gonna call everyone by their name so I don't mess this up any more
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VLA over, sorry all, just caught up.
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Let's do this:
1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
4) Robz, what do you think about EFHW play? What about Jake?
5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
6) E, hi! How are you?
4) Weird question for me. I'm voting for EFHW, she is by far my top scum read. Jake I think is obvtown and I'm baffled that anyone would vote for him.
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I will bite
Vote: Jake
Baffled! E, I think this is not good. Don't want to bully the IC, but not good.
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
That's what I said too robz if you want my scum reads there a few pages back I can quote them if you want but that's what we've been discussing recently
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
I don't buy that he (who didn't change his mind at all during the day) suddenly turns 180° during the night without any additional input.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.
You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
He's put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW on L-1 in this game, each time with clearly undecided town players left who could have hammered. And I don't think bussing right now is particularly strong when there's so much interaction we can study. If he's scum, PoE says that you're his scum-buddy.
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Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
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Here's my table or pair-wise results, based on re-reads. I'm disappointed that so many pairs appear to have a medium-to-high likelihood. I also feel like I could spend hours more chewing over the various comments, but I'm afraid that's time I don't have... it's already after 1am here, and I need sleep :-(
| Jake-Robz | Very High |
| LL-Robz | Very High |
| Calamitas-EFHW | High |
| Calamitas-Robz | Medium-High |
| LL-Calamitas | Medium-High |
| LL-Jake | Middling |
| Jake-Calamitas | Medium-Low |
| LL-EFHW | Low |
| Jake-EFHW | Very Low |
| Robz-EFHW | Null |
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I really think LL EFHW pair should be moved to high or very high
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I really think LL EFHW pair should be moved to high or very high
Why? Can you build a case? Please don't just quote a lot of posts or something... you can make a "case" post by starting a new post (using the "Reply" option at the end of the page), then opening a "quote" link (to the top-right of each individual post) in a new browser tab for every portion of text from a different post you want to quote, and then copy-pasting all the relevant quoting mark-up into your main post. It's time-consuming, but it makes your argument much more easy for everyone else to digest.
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Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.
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Well I already made a case on them so I'll link it and you can look back. It is the first post on page 32 or here's the link http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16392.775
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Long day at work again. I will have time over the weekend before deadline. Will reread efhw as a priority when I get the chance
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.
You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.
Not only his. I've spent some weekends rereading games. So I am quite familiar with playstyle of different vets, shall they come. That is why I tunnel EFHW actually. If Jimmmmm or Shraeye come to some game, I'll be watching them closely too. Same as I'm watching you btw.
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I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.
You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.
Though sometimes I don't think I can make the case that looks like "Robz behaved differently in M2 where he was a scum."
I deeply, deeply, deeply enjoy being the mafia.
:-P
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After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
I don't buy that he (who didn't change his mind at all during the day) suddenly turns 180° during the night without any additional input.
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Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
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Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
But how did you know that right at the start of d2?
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Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
But how did you know that right at the start of d2?
It was from what i picked up at the end of D-1 and probably the first IRL day of D-2. After that is when I posted my scum views on him in the thread
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btw we have 26 hours until the deadline
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btw we have 26 hours until the deadline
and looks like you have your first strike.
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Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.[/color][/b]
You don't need to modkill anyone on my account. I don't take it personally - I'm usually the only she, and new players assume I'm male until they hear otherwise. I take it like I'm "one of the guys". I correct them, or let others do it usually now, because I want to be known and don't want them to be embarrassed later, but it's not an insult to me.
Getting used to the singular "they" is hard - I still always imagine a crowd of people when I hear someone use "they" to refer to an individual. It's disrespectful not to make an effort, but I think punishment may be going too far. That's for Space to say, I guess, since their feeling of inclusion is what's important here.
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SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
This has been your last read you stated on D1, D2 you didn't mention SA for a quite long time (in comparison to before when basically every third post was about them).
I don't buy that that happened with the little input between those posts. If specific posts changed your mind, please quote them.
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Ok sorry EFHW
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SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
This has been your last read you stated on D1, D2 you didn't mention SA for a quite long time (in comparison to before when basically every third post was about them).
I don't buy that that happened with the little input between those posts. If specific posts changed your mind, please quote them.
Ok so it was more that we lynched RR( who was my second choice) then by the time I came back into this game and reread everything SA looked much more town and EFHW looked much more scummy. Also the case on SA during D-1 was not that strong now that I reread it but it was the strongest D-1 case which i why I wanted to lynch him D-1
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
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Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.
3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
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Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.
3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
Yeah but I think the LL-EFHW pair should be very high or at least high
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Here's my table or pair-wise results, based on re-reads. I'm disappointed that so many pairs appear to have a medium-to-high likelihood. I also feel like I could spend hours more chewing over the various comments, but I'm afraid that's time I don't have... it's already after 1am here, and I need sleep :-(
| Jake-Robz | Very High |
| LL-Robz | Very High |
| Calamitas-EFHW | High |
| Calamitas-Robz | Medium-High |
| LL-Calamitas | Medium-High |
| LL-Jake | Middling |
| Jake-Calamitas | Medium-Low |
| LL-EFHW | Low |
| Jake-EFHW | Very Low |
| Robz-EFHW | Null |
I meant to add that in this context, I'm using "null" to mean "I don't know how to assign a likelihood here". I think Robz and EFHW are two very experienced players so looking at their interactions is considerably less likely to yield useful tells. It does not mean I don't think they're possible as a scumteam.
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive. I'm really at a loss here. I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.
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Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.
3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
Yeah but I think the LL-EFHW pair should be very high or at least high
I was responding to Robz's particular comment about how scum languish at L-1 because their partners don't vote for them.
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I should say 2 out of 4, since one of those pairings is with me!
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive. I'm really at a loss here. I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.
Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.
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I suspect everyone here.
Less so Calamitas. Others are on the very level "Will be glad to lynch"
PPE:3
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive. I'm really at a loss here. I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.
Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.
Still willing to lynch Robz.
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vote: Robz
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My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive. I'm really at a loss here. I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.
Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.
Still willing to lynch Robz.
What is the case there?
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POE and feeling unable to read him.
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Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P
So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.
I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
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I can see no single reason for SA to townread EFHW.
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Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P
So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.
I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?
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I can see no single reason for SA to townread EFHW.
I agree why do you think EFHW is town SA
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Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P
So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.
I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?
The pairwise reads were done looking at how pairs of people interacted with each other, and folding in information about their voting patters on each other when viewed in isolation from the actual content (since I think scums kind of generate noise around their motives, but the action of voting is more clear.
The ordering above is a marginal over the scum pairings (i.e. take a mean score of each of the four pairs involving each of the five of you), so it's not totally reliable in that respect, especially since I had to put a number on Robz-EFHW in order to sum it.
I'm not totally comfortable with what the scores themselves mean in a physical sense. Amount of expected surprise on seeing a particular pairing confirmed was the closest explanation I could fit to it in my head..
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Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.[/color][/b]
You don't need to modkill anyone on my account. I don't take it personally - I'm usually the only she, and new players assume I'm male until they hear otherwise. I take it like I'm "one of the guys". I correct them, or let others do it usually now, because I want to be known and don't want them to be embarrassed later, but it's not an insult to me.
Getting used to the singular "they" is hard - I still always imagine a crowd of people when I hear someone use "they" to refer to an individual. It's disrespectful not to make an effort, but I think punishment may be going too far. That's for Space to say, I guess, since their feeling of inclusion is what's important here.
It isn't really on your account. Part of it is because even if it is hard, Jake should be able to get it right. A second part of it is if someone who actually doesn't want to be referred to as "he" comes around, I want them to comfortably be able to play in a game with Jake. Considering that we actually have people like that in our mafia community (people who are trans/non-binary), I feel like it is something to support.
Either way, that is 1 strike Jake
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Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P
So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.
I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?
The pairwise reads were done looking at how pairs of people interacted with each other, and folding in information about their voting patters on each other when viewed in isolation from the actual content (since I think scums kind of generate noise around their motives, but the action of voting is more clear.
The ordering above is a marginal over the scum pairings (i.e. take a mean score of each of the four pairs involving each of the five of you), so it's not totally reliable in that respect, especially since I had to put a number on Robz-EFHW in order to sum it.
I'm not totally comfortable with what the scores themselves mean in a physical sense. Amount of expected surprise on seeing a particular pairing confirmed was the closest explanation I could fit to it in my head..
Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
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Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
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Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.
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Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.
Okay, I see where you're going with that now; you're arguing that if I don't normalise by how likely an individual is to have a "scummy-looking" possible pairing overall, then the scores shouldn't be directly comparable, yes?
I'm not sure I agree. The way I formulate the evaluation in my head was "how surprised would I be at the end of the game if this pair turns out to have been the scums", on a scale of 0 to 1. So I thing averaging in that sense is still valid without additional scaling. It's just hard to fold this with other correlated info like how scummy a person has seemed from things they've said in isolation.
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A second part of it is if someone who actually doesn't want to be referred to as "he" comes around, I want them to comfortably be able to play in a game with Jake. Considering that we actually have people like that in our mafia community (people who are trans/non-binary), I feel like it is something to support.
I really appreciate this, and I'd like to see f.ds be this kind of inclusive community :-)
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Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.
Okay, I see where you're going with that now; you're arguing that if I don't normalise by how likely an individual is to have a "scummy-looking" possible pairing overall, then the scores shouldn't be directly comparable, yes?
I'm not sure I agree. The way I formulate the evaluation in my head was "how surprised would I be at the end of the game if this pair turns out to have been the scums", on a scale of 0 to 1. So I thing averaging in that sense is still valid without additional scaling. It's just hard to fold this with other correlated info like how scummy a person has seemed from things they've said in isolation.
In that case you did include priors since you compared posteriors.
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Suppose we have someone really scummy (scumslip) who does interact with basically everyone quite towny. Based on the interactions only you wouldn't expect any scum pair with that person. Based on their scumslip you expect them to be scum though. So the "how much i'm going to be surprised" criterium resolves in much higher scum ratings than the conversations alone would.
And if one actually analyzes the pairs and the scuminess of their interactions one has to look only at the discrepancy between different possible partners. Suppose person A interacts scummy with B, C and D. And person B interacts towny with B,C and scummy with D.
The only information you can get there is:
- A seems to interact scummy with everyone, no tell in regard to their potential partner
- The estimate of B&D being scum has risen a lot
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Suppose we have someone really scummy (scumslip) who does interact with basically everyone quite towny. Based on the interactions only you wouldn't expect any scum pair with that person. Based on their scumslip you expect them to be scum though. So the "how much i'm going to be surprised" criterium resolves in much higher scum ratings than the conversations alone would.
And if one actually analyzes the pairs and the scuminess of their interactions one has to look only at the discrepancy between different possible partners. Suppose person A interacts scummy with B, C and D. And person B interacts towny with B,C and scummy with D.
The only information you can get there is:
- A seems to interact scummy with everyone, no tell in regard to their potential partner
- The estimate of B&D being scum has risen a lot
If I had strong first-order information (reads on individuals, scumslips etc), I wouldn't have needed to resort to the much more costly second-order information (pairwise interactions, particular voting histories). So let's just assume a flat prior on the five of you.
I think I object to you calling interactions "scummy", because it makes it sound like there are definite pieces of evidence that I'm integrating over a set of interactions or something. That's not the case: the pair-wise tells seem to be much more subtle, and difficult to quantify, which is why this is hard. I can do inference and mathematical modelling really well; it's reading people I'm less good at :-P
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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
Reread tomorrow. I will not be around on Sunday at lunch, but will be around about an hour or so before. Hopefully we can get a lynch done Saturday though
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Vote Count 2.3
Jake (1): e
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
GKrieg, deadline is on Sunday or on 19th of November?
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Because if it is on 19th, we have 10 hours left
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*sigh* Prod: Robz
You are not even VLA, i can see you on forums...
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Vote Count LaLight
Jake (1): e, Calamitas
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Robz888 (1): EFHW
Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone
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Vote Count LaLight
Jake (2): e, Calamitas
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Robz888 (1): EFHW
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone
Fixed the numbers
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I feel very afraid that deadline is in 10 hours and you all are sleeping.
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
Either Jake+SA are a scum team or it's just Jake, he does this sort of things
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
Either Jake+SA are a scum team or it's just Jake, he does this sort of things
But he would never change that much without input. It is so out of character.
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
Couldn't reallt get grasp of her. Can you summarize the case for me?
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LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
Couldn't reallt get grasp of her. Can you summarize the case for me?
Oh, we were talking about her case all the time. I won't have a computer till my evening which is 10 hoirs from now. And seems like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Look at her voting.
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I see you all prefer no lynch.
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I see you all prefer no lynch.
There won't be no lynch, I will be around until deadline.
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I see you all prefer no lynch.
There won't be no lynch, I will be around until deadline.
I'm here too but from the phone.
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vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.
Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
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vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.
Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
He didn't listened D1(over a week IRL), why should he switch during the night then?
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Recent posts by Calamitas ring some scum bells, though. Lots of theory, pursuing minor questions, never engaged fully in scum hunting. I won't move my vote because of the deadline, but am totally willing if there is interest.
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vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.
Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
He didn't listened D1(over a week IRL), why should he switch during the night then?
I think RR probably talked to him.
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Ok, now I see what you are saying. You think his scum partner talked to him. Scumread on you diminished somewhat.
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Ok, now I see what you are saying. You think his scum partner talked to him. Scumread on you diminished somewhat.
That's what I'm thinking. I don't estimate rr is the type of person who would break the code by speaking about the game IRL, so night chat is in my opinion the only viable explanation.
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It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
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It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
Why do you prefer efhw over jake right now?
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It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
Why do you prefer efhw over jake right now?
Jake seems townie to me, all the time. But if the alternativw will be no lynch, ill switch
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@Calamitas: But Jake didn't change between N1 and N2. He was trolling me for most of today. Now your argument doesn't make sense to me.
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If you are referring to his changed reads, that doesn't seem mysterious either. unvote.
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I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.
Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?
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If you are referring to his changed reads, that doesn't seem mysterious either. unvote.
In how far is that not mysterious? He tunneled SA the whole D1, claimed to be almost positive about them being scum. His last stated read about them on D1 was still proclaiming that they are his top scumrread. Then, right at the beginning of D2 his claims are 180° turned. He doesn't mention SA for a little while and leaves the night with a scumread on you and robz. In how far is that not suspicious without additional input?
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I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.
Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?
You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.
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Why would a scum partner tell him to change his reads? Switching from one tunnel to another doesn't seem like much of an improvement.
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I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.
Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?
You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.
I see. What do you think about Calamitas?
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I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.
Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?
You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.
I see. What do you think about Calamitas?
I don't see any scumness in him. His sometimes lurking is connected to irl events, other words are him being solid town.
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So to me it seems like it has to be either Jake or Calamitas, but you think they are both town, which I guess is why you think I am scum. Either way, Robz would be the partner. Robz lynch?
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So to me it seems like it has to be either Jake or Calamitas, but you think they are both town, which I guess is why you think I am scum. Either way, Robz would be the partner. Robz lynch?
There's SA also. It's you/SA or you/Robz. Either way it's you. Your lynch? :)
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Not my first choice, actually! Do you think Space would do all that partner analysis as scum? They are a really strong townread for me.
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Not my first choice, actually! Do you think Space would do all that partner analysis as scum? They are a really strong townread for me.
Afaik the more Space seems town the more they're scum. Read nm8 plz
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also, Robz lurking saddens me a lot. If he's scum and he'll win, that will be poor play, really.
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LaLight, are you sure that you won't settle on Jake? Please re-read him again if you have the time.
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Sorry, I'm here. But I don't have anything new to add. I very much want to lynch EFHW and don't want to lynch Jake. I mean, I will Jake over No Lynch, if that's where it's headed. But I'd much rather lynch anyone else.
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We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?
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We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?
That's the exact question i ask everyone all the time!
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LaLight, are you sure that you won't settle on Jake? Please re-read him again if you have the time.
I will as an alternative to no lynch
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1,5 hours till deadline
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We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?
That's the exact question i ask everyone all the time!
I have a much much stronger scum read on Jake. Cannot believe you all aren't seeing it.
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Vote Count 2.3
Jake (1): e
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
GKrieg, deadline is on Sunday or on 19th of November?
Sorry. The deadline is in a couple of hours. Not on Sunday for most of us.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
I'm not going to shift then.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
Okay. It looks to me based on SA's prior posting that he is more likely to vote for Jake.
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Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
I'm not going to shift then.
You should! EFHW is a better lynch!
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Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW
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Jake isn't at L-1 anymore, EFHW has unvoted. Don't miss that please.
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Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW
Well, I'm going to have to leave before then... you will be around to switch to Jake at the last minute? I can trust you to do that? I guess the only way you wouldn't do that is if Jake is scum and you are his partner.
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Jake isn't at L-1 anymore, EFHW has unvoted. Don't miss that please.
Oh, really?
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Vote Count 2.4
Jake (2): e, Calamitas
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}
Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW
Well, I'm going to have to leave before then... you will be around to switch to Jake at the last minute? I can trust you to do that? I guess the only way you wouldn't do that is if Jake is scum and you are his partner.
Better change now then.
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Crap, you're right. How convenient for her, now I have to switch my vote so that we get a lynch at all. (Im assuming no one else is showing up.)
Vote: Jake
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Calamitas, we can't persuade you to go EFHW? This is so scummy of her. She's essentially forced our hands.
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Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
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Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.
Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
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Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.
Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
You're not making a mistake. I didn't mean to force hands, I just felt Calamitas was scummier than Jake.
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Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
It is. Remember that time you insisted on lynching me when I was the only one supporting your theory of the game?
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Okay. Let's play D3 better. Be more active people. vote: Jakethebaseballgod22
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And the theory was right, too, I think.
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Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.
Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
You're not making a mistake. I didn't mean to force hands, I just felt Calamitas was scummier than Jake.
Calamitas' refusal to vote for you is what's sparing you. If I don't survive this night I'm calling an EFHW-Calamitas team right now, don't forget to consider this
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Darn.. really thought the deadline was Sunday!
I'm here now -- someone fill me in? I still have a houseguest and we've just got back from being separate for a while (I needed groceries!) so it's terribly rude of me to be focusing on the forum :-(
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Urgh.. am I like 10 mins too late?
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Darn.. really thought the deadline was Sunday!
I'm here now -- someone fill me in? I still have a houseguest and we've just got back from being separate for a while (I needed groceries!) so it's terribly rude of me to be focusing on the forum :-(
It's too late, we lynched Jake because there weren't enough ppl around to lynch EFHw
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Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
It is. Remember that time you insisted on lynching me when I was the only one supporting your theory of the game?
Yeah. Well we will see
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Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.
Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
You're not making a mistake. I didn't mean to force hands, I just felt Calamitas was scummier than Jake.
Calamitas' refusal to vote for you is what's sparing you. If I don't survive this night I'm calling an EFHW-Calamitas team right now, don't forget to consider this
Jake could still be scum, let's not despair prematurely.
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If Jake IS scum, Space is his partner, yes? There's no one else left
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Annie had been listening to chatter for days. She knew Lena was out there, and she knew she was dangerous.
One spot that kept coming up was a дом on Комсомольская. She decided she would check it out.
As she got in there, she found that she was too late.
Her friend, Arthur Campbell was dead. She should've come sooner and been around to save him.
Vote Count 2.final
Jake (4): e, Calamitas, Robz, LaLight
EFHW (1): Jake
Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, EFHW
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch
Jake has been lynched. He was Arthur Campbell, the Doctor
Night 2 begins now and ends in 36-48 hours
Thread Locked
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As Annie was mourning the deaths of many people very close to her, she needed to undertake one last mission. A suicide mission of sorts. Either Lena would be dead or she would.
As she was preparing for her mission, Joan came to console her and to try to talk her out of it. "You know we have both suffered a lot from Lena and Henry. But I am not authorizing you to go on this mission".
"Then I'll do it without the help of the agency".
"I was afraid you might say that."
And with that Annie was gone. She had received intelligence that Lena was hiding in an old Russian дача. As Annie approached her door, it was obvious that it was where Lena had been hiding. As she stealthily stepped through the door, she heard a gun fire. All she could feel was pain and confusion...
e has died! He was Annie Walker, the Innocent Agent
Day 3 begins now and ends in 8 days, Tuesday Nov 29, 11 am
Thread Unlocked
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Vote Count 3.0
Not Voting (5): LaLight, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday Nov 29 at 11 am
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That is bad. Very, very bad. Now you people see why we should not lynch Jake because he looks scummy. Told ya. Now it's two of sa/efhw/robz. Will reread. But SA is top scum read.
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Also i will reread M84 to look at Calamitas' scumplay. Looks like we lost though but i'll do everything it takes to win.
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Also I don't like Robz' switch to Jake at all. Vote all of you
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Each of you received scum MVP at least once!
Robz was the best scum player 2013! Oh come on!
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My feeling is that it's either Robz-LL or Calamitas-EFHW.
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Also I don't like Robz' switch to Jake at all. Vote all of you
It's lylo, so votes should be cast with care!
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
But Haddock is always the scummiest!
On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
But Haddock is always the scummiest!
On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
Scum points to you that was a good plan to see who will quickhammer without thinking.
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
But Haddock is always the scummiest!
On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
I needed someone townie to see it and vote with me eeehh :(
Calamitas is not off the hook, he's just the least scummy
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
But Haddock is always the scummiest!
On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
Scum points to you that was a good plan to see who will quickhammer without thinking.
Seriously? I thought you were just joking around. Pretty sure nobody thought McGarnacle was in the game :-P
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I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
But Haddock is always the scummiest!
On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
Scum points to you that was a good plan to see who will quickhammer without thinking.
Seriously? I thought you were just joking around. Pretty sure nobody thought McGarnacle was in the game :-P
Still that was the best plan i have..
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
AND an IC. That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
AND an IC. That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
14 points.
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
Yep, but it is still very strong evidence. The chance that either I am random or you are framed is so little considering we have 12 players.
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Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.
Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.
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Really annoyed the EFHW lynch got derailed and I principally blame Calamitas.
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Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.
Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.
Why them? Are you also a pr?
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
AND an IC. That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
14 points.
It could, with a lot of negative modifiers.
If we have any more town PRs, now is the time to claim, though!
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Nope. Nope nope nope. It's Calamitas.
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gkrieg - when you rolled for roles and modifiers, did you alternate? Which did you do first?
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I think Calamitas should get his mass claim wish today.
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Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.
Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.
Why them? Are you also a pr?
No, but POE at this point. EFHW's lynch was so hard because she's scum, and Calamitas was the one who killed that. Well, Calamitas has to be scum no matter what, virtually. Not surprising that he's trying to frame Space.
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gkrieg - when you rolled for roles and modifiers, did you alternate? Which did you do first?
Check out the posts at #630 and #633.
The fact he felt the need to clarify at #633 makes me think that there could be quite a lot of modifiers in play.
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If you give me some time I can re-read and construct a more full case for why it's Calamitas/EFHW.
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Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.
It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:
1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players
Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
Correct. Except I switched 1 and 3 this time. I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.
I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
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For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
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We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor? That's not believable.
Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
Yep, but it is still very strong evidence. The chance that either I am random or you are framed is so little considering we have 12 players.
We started with 9 players, 2 of whom were scum. If you're telling the truth, we must have at least two instances of modifier 1 or 2. And you rule out yourself being weak because you think you targeted scum last night, so either Jake or Faust was week, or at least one of you is random, or we have a significant number of framed/macho/miller VTs (at least 4, possibly 6+). If you're telling the truth, we only have 3 VTs in the game, so even just one instance of "random" landing on a VT means all three of us get a modifier.
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For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
One vt gets all of them in case.
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For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT
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For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
Can't believe you haven't asked this in your QT :P
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What if the team is sa/calamitas...
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What if the team is sa/calamitas...
Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?
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For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT
Thanks! Yeah, I thought the thing about modifiers going to different people if they don't already have one meant that the three extras all went to different VTs.
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What if the team is sa/calamitas...
Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?
To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win
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What if the team is sa/calamitas...
Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?
To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win
Gah, I'm rusty. Yes, of course. Ugh.
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Well, but Calamitas's prior actions make most sense if he's EFHW's partner.
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
Yes, important questions, answer immediately please.
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
Oh of course. Obvious questions, thank you.
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.
Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?
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@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?
Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.
Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?
He claimed tracker and there has been a decent chance he would survive since there has been an IC out there. So I want to check whether his claims stands after a potential survival.
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Robz, LL and EFHW, could the three of you all please confirm that you're not claiming town PRs too?
I'm claiming VT, in case that wasn't clear from before!
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I am a VT.
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ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers. I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible. I can go first.
PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?
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VT
I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker
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ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers. I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible. I can go first.
PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?
scumslip finally! Confirm someone, i'm scared
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I'll check
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Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier? I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
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Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier? I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
They are fully hidden, even after flip.
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Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier? I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip? I just assumed I didn't roll anything.
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Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier? I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip? I just assumed I didn't roll anything.
Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!
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Here's my proposal that once worked. Artificial votes in italics.
vote: efhw
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VT
I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker
You say both that you believe Calamitas and that you don't believe Calamitas!
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Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier? I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip? I just assumed I didn't roll anything.
Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!
Yeah, that strikes me as a legit scum slip. Not 100% but pretty strong. Maybe 70%.
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Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.
Top town: Robz
Top scum: EFHW
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LaLight, don't you think Calamitas is scum for certain? I also think EFHW is his partner, but I mean, the possibility you raised--Calamitas and Space having worked this out--would mean lynching EFHW before Calamitas is wrong.
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Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.
Top town: Robz
Top scum: EFHW
There's no more reads. You are town, Calamitas is scum. Either it's EFHW (which makes most sense given previous day wagons), or Space (because of the terrifying possibility that you pointed out).
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I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker
I don't follow your argument about one of us having to be scum at all. I think it's feasible for Calamitas to be a tracker, though it's convenient for him that his claimed N1 result is unverifiable.
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I'm not that good. I scumslip all the time. But this was just a town mistake.
I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier. If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.
I realize some of this ground has been covered already. I'm just catching up since this latest revelation.
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I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.
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I'm not that good. I scumslip all the time. But this was just a town mistake.
I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier. If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.
I realize some of this ground has been covered already. I'm just catching up since this latest revelation.
What joat are you talking about?... that was not a townslip. I don't believe you :p
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@Robz.
If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.
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I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.
Who do you see Calamitas being in a scum pairing with?
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So why does scum!Calamitas lie now?
PPE: you or Robz.
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@Robz.
If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.
What does "nowhere to run yet" mean?
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
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@Robz.
If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.
What does "nowhere to run yet" mean?
Also, yes, but I'm never lynching you at this point so it's also true for me: if you're scum, brilliantly well played, you deserve this.
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So.
Town on SA though they're very dangerous. But who's not here?
There can't be robz/EFHW pairing or we'd see a qh.
Let's vote: Calamitas
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
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Vote: Calamitas
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@Robz.
If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.
What does "nowhere to run yet" mean?
No need to run. Never mind
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Actually unvote
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Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?
vote: SA
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We need to talk this thru a bit more, LaLight. We'll lynch Calamitas, he'll flip scum, and then either you or I will die.
Don't you think we should make sure we are sure about the partner first?
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
I can do numbers later, but I have to go right now. I'll be back around 4.30pm forum time, plus or minus half an hour.
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I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.
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Actually unvote
Nice one. Though if you're scum i hate you for this :)
Ppe efhw: no if Calamitas is scum
Ppe: Robz: yep. But its pretty obvious..
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I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.
I agree.
Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum
Or sa named the time to qh.
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I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.
I agree.
Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum
Or sa named the time to qh.
You agree its EFHW, or you agree we should discuss it?
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I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.
I agree.
Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum
Or sa named the time to qh.
You agree its EFHW, or you agree we should discuss it?
Both. I'm almost home, hate the phone
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
I am positive that there are two modifiers of the {Random, Weak} variety. There are 72 possible combinations how those might be distributed among us. The only combinations that inflict my result are "I'm random" and "SA is random/weak(with 2/3 probability inflicting)". So there are 8 combinations where i'm random and there are 8 combinations where SA is random/weak. Since weak only accounts for 2/3 chance of inflicting this counts as 7. Then you have to discard the possibility that we both are affected since that case has been taken into account already before. So 14/72~1/5 of being affected by modifiers. Good enough for me here.
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Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?
vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.
PPE: Lalight - right, I missed the Calamitas/SA possibility.
PPE: Robz is mega buddying Lalight.
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Please everyone stop PPEing, just do a new post quoting what you mean, it's so confusing.
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Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?
vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.
PPE: Lalight - right, I missed the Calamitas/SA possibility.
PPE: Robz is mega buddying Lalight.
And I'm megabuddying him btw.
Yes, Calamitas/EFHW suits me.
Don't think we need to discuss more.
I'm already voting Calamitas.
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Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?
vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.
PPE: Lalight - right, I missed the Calamitas/SA possibility.
PPE: Robz is mega buddying Lalight.
LaLight is town. If he's not, GG. You have to make calls at the end, and it's call-making time. And also, you are implicitly doing the same thing, because you know LL is town too, albeit for different reasons.
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You are doing a grave mistake here.
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip? Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.
You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town. I would like to assume that. But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me? I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.
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I agree with Calamitas.
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip? Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.
You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town. I would like to assume that. But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me? I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.
Scum can not affect any results. They have Roleblocker/Goon or two goons.
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip? Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.
You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town. I would like to assume that. But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me? I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.
Why don't you assume it's Robz?
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I don't think Calamitas is scum because he wasn't quickhammered. Was there even opportunity for a quickhammer? He's scum because there's no realistic combination of players who could be partners that excludes him, and also, his claim makes him seem like scum (barring some complicated scenarios).
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In case that was confusing, Calamitas is scum, but I don't think the quickhammer argument is the greatest reason.
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In case that was confusing, Calamitas is scum, but I don't think the quickhammer argument is the greatest reason.
you're wrong.
Sa wasn't qh'd which means possible pairs are:
Calamitas/SA
Calamitas/EFHW
Calamitas/Robz
Calamitas/Me
SA/EFHW
SA/Robz
SA/me
Then I voted for Calamitas. He wasn't qh'd which means possible pairs are:
Calamitas/SA
Calamitas/EFHW
Calamitas/Robz
Calamitas/Me
Me/EFHW
Me/SA
Me/Robz.
The only pairs that are similar in both situations include Calamitas.
He wasn't qh'd=conf!scum.
Oh, and Also SA/Me pair can work. This is not the case though.
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The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
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The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
*online
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The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
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Okay let me look back, I may have missed some stuff.
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The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
Because there is no need to end this quickly end putting someone on L-1 at LyLo is god damn risky?
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The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
Because there is no need to end this quickly end putting someone on L-1 at LyLo is god damn risky?
Not for scum.
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LaLight is right, I forgot that Calamitas had actually voted for Space, not just put his name forward. Calamitas is 100% scum.
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LaLight is right, I forgot that Calamitas had actually voted for Space, not just put his name forward. Calamitas is 100% scum.
Why should that even matter?
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Actually, well, I guess Calamitas is right: he's saying the scum didn't quickhammer Space because Space is one of them.
But LL is saying LL voted Calamitas, and scum did not quickhammer, which either means LL is scum or Calamitas is.
So for Calamitas, the scum!team has to be LL/Space. Which he hasn't even acted on, I don't think... because it's not true and Calamitas is the scum.
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Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until he comes back.
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By anything, I mean lynch.
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Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until they comes back.
Ftfy and please, mind the wording.
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Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until they comes back.
Ftfy and please, mind the wording.
Yes, apologies again.
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so, I'm off to bed.
SA, it's obvious Calamitas is scum because it's not me and you.
Robz, don't change your mind please.
EFHW and Calamitas, I hope you are scum, scummy scum :P
Hope I won't wake up to game over :)
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Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
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Back now, but I see we've just lost LL to sleep! Sorry.. I had a rehearsal for a gig on Saturday.
Will do some more reading and thinking just now.
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Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.
If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
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Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.
If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.
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Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.
If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.
This feels really wrong... if you're townie you've totally thrown the game away for us.
Robz and LL are acting like buddies in a way that has me really concerned.. I'm just wondering if there's any possible way they could be a scum-pair that's playing some wifomy game instead of just quick-hammering me. I think it's reasonably unlikely, but I'm feeling so paranoid!
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vote: Calamitas
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Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.
If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.
This feels really wrong... if you're townie you've totally thrown the game away for us.
Robz and LL are acting like buddies in a way that has me really concerned.. I'm just wondering if there's any possible way they could be a scum-pair that's playing some wifomy game instead of just quick-hammering me. I think it's reasonably unlikely, but I'm feeling so paranoid!
Space, don't be paranoid, take a deep breath. Calamitas IS scum. And you, of all people, must know that for sure, because if he wasn't scum and you weren't scum, you would have been quickhammered by now. Cal has had that vote on you sitting there all day.
I see some aversion to end-of-game buddying, which I understand, but like, that's a natural result of figuring stuff out.
The concern that LL and I have is Cal did a fakeclaim on you to make it seem like you are town after he flips scum. Is there anything you can say to dispel this?
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I intend to hammer Calamitas, but first, Space, can you answer my question?
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The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.
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The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.
Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!
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The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.
Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!
Excuses, excuses! Just kidding, that obviously sounds quite serious.
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The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.
Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!
Excuses, excuses! Just kidding, that obviously sounds quite serious.
Actually, the FB chat noise is driving me nuts, but I think the deluge has finally ended :-)
Huh.. famous last words. And while I have a mute button, it doesn't stop him expecting replies from me!
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I intend to hammer Calamitas, but first, Space, can you answer my question?
Hmm.. your question was whether I had anything to say that reassures you that Calamitas isn't fake-claiming on me to set me up as IC for the final lylo. The best I've got is the complete voting history for D2... while it's bad in that I didn't vote for EFHW (who I now think must be conf-scum-Calamitas's buddy), I don't really see any good reason why scum!Calamitas or scum!me wouldn't have hammered EFHW if we were scum together. As it is, Calamitas was resisting because she's his buddy, and I was resisting because I didn't feel she was that scummy at first, and then because I was away since I'd thought the deadline was Sunday and I had a busy weekend.
Complete D2 Voting History
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#624
Not Voting: LaLight, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e
#634
Robz: EFHW
Not Voting: LaLight, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e
#653
Robz: EFHW
Calamitas: Jake
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e
#653
Calamitas: Jake
Jake: EFHW
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e
#665
Calamitas: Jake
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Space, e
#668
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Space, e
#675
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e
#750
Jake: EFHW, LL
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e
#781
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e, LL
#782
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e
#784
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: e
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space
#785
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: e, EFHW
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space
#823
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: EFHW
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e
#826
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e, EFHW
#833
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, EFHW
#836
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Not Voting: Space, EFHW
#863
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Calamitas: EFHW
Not Voting: Space
#882
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Robz: EFHW
Not Voting: Space
#915
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas, EFHW {L-1}
Not Voting: Space
#925
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Not Voting: Space, EFHW
#958
EFHW: Jake, LL
Jake: e, Calamitas, Robz {L-1}
Not Voting: Space, EFHW
#958
EFHW: Jake
Jake: e, Calamitas, Robz, LL {lynched}
Not Voting: Space, EFHW
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Why would scum!Calamitas put out a fake result?
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His reasoning for tracking SA makes sense. I realize my agreeing with him makes him look more suspicious to you, but I don't know what else to do.
Lalight tempting quickhammers was reckless.
We're likely going to lose the game when Robz hammers, so can you hold off on that a bit, please?
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This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip? Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.
You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town. I would like to assume that. But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me? I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.
Scum can not affect any results. They have Roleblocker/Goon or two goons.
You realize they have a JOAT, right? And one of the powers is framer.
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Eh, I'm not going to let EFHW try to wriggle out of this. Vote: calamitas
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I hope I am wrong.
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well, I'm awake and looks like we will wait for this flip till Sunday? :)
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I can see GKrieg on forums though :P
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Calamitas has been lynched! I'm not at a computer so I can't do the vote count right now so just use your imagination. They were lynched by LaLight, SA, and Robz.
They were Lena Smith, the Goon
Night 3 begins now and ends in 36 to 48 hours. Deadline for actions is 36 hours from now.
THREAD LOCKED!
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Henry had his sights set on a new target. On Auggie Anderson. And just like that, he was dead.
LaLight has died in the night. They were Auggie Anderson, the Vanilla Agent.
Day 4 begins now!
THREAD Unlocked!
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Welp, here we are. I'm still inclined to say the partner is EFHW, but I suppose she deserved the opportunity to make her case.
If it's Space, then Calamitas's gambit will have really paid off, and I can't shake this sinking feeling that Thad exactly what's happened, but I don't think I can let that override my multi day suspicion of EFHW.
Those are my thoughts. Really hate being in this situation with so much riding on my choice. I think I have a pretty bad LYLO record.
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Yeah, I agree that EFHW is the likely partner, but I'm happy to hear her case before a lynch too, since Robz-Calamitas looked like a reasonably-high-likelihood pairing for me earlier in the game. I'm also going to re-read a bunch before placing my vote.
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Well, I have no idea which of you it is. I have so much OMGUS because of Robz's persistent scum reading of me, but I would have expected him to leave Lalight alive since they were such close anti-EFHW buddies.
On the other hand, there is a scum case to make on Space where there really wasn't on Lalight. So Robz can seem the tortured town.
Scum!me would have killed Robz, you can be sure of that.
This feels like scum!Robz to me.
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Regarding a case in my defense, the earliest argument against me was that I was a vet and therefore would have the experience to play scum undetected. That theory does not differentiate me from Robz.
The latest argument I assume would be my defense of Calamitas, which was obviously a mistake. I really couldn't see a scum motive for making that fake claim. I guess they must have felt they were in a worse position than it seemed to me.
It seems like there was another theory in there somewhere - I guess my mysterious scum read on faust seemed fishy? I really thought he might be scum, and keeping him off balance seemed like a good plan.
I'll have to look back to see if there was anything more. Feel free to refresh my memory as well.
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Scum!me would have killed Robz, you can be sure of that.
I don't believe that for a minute. Even aside from considerable WIFOM (if you know what scum!you would do, you could just do the opposite as scum, in order to make that argument), killing me was too great a risk. If you had killed me instead of LaLight, LL would have known that my scum read on you was genuine, since I was confirmed town. You would have gotten lynched for sure.
I have fought for your lynch all game. It was hard because you put up a great fight, as scum do, and because Calamitas protected you.
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And EFHW, I'm really not even interested in hearing your defense. If you are town, I'm telling you, the only way we win this is for you to convince me its Space. I'm going to be looking back to see if that's possible, and I'm really worried about the Calamitas gambit, but I need you to do that as well in case I missed something.
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You did say I deserved the opportunity to make my case.
If you are scum, then us lynching Space is as bad as you two lynching me.
What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.
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What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.
That's what scum!EFHW needs to do, sure. You sort of gave yourself away there, eh?
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What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.
That's what scum!EFHW needs to do, sure. You sort of gave yourself away there, eh?
No.
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What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.
Nope, I need earlier-game evidence on each of you being scum, really, not lots of "look how townie I am" new content now. I'm leaning towards you being scum on voting history alone. Can you show me anything that might make me think Robz is scummier?
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Argh. I started re-reading Space just to doublecheck, and there's actually something pretty unsettling from Day 1.
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So, this is mid Day 1, from Space.
Makin' reads known :-)
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!
Vote: Calamitas
Space puts a vote on Calamitas. I'm already voting Cal for lurking, and faust is voting as well. This doesn't tell us all that much.
Faust unvotes, votes, and unvotes Calamitas, and then others join the wagon and it's pretty legitimately happening that Calamitas could be the lynch. And then there's this:
Unofficial Space-Count
Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR (1): faust
Not Voting (1): e
So Calamitas is actually L-1. This is the very next post:
Bad wagon is bad.
Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
Or try something else :-)
Vote: faust
So it looks like Space, sensing the real danger Space's partner was in, tried to defuse the wagon. But this was done in an obviously scummy way, and so what actually happened is that everyone deserted the wagon and turned on Space. Shortly after this, the votes looked like this:
Vote Count 1.4
Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (1): LaLight
faust (2): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (3): Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting (1): e
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
Faust then became the leading non-Space candidate, and claimed Tracker. This caused that wagon to go away, and E put Space to L-1.
Calamitas is absent this entire time. The only thing we get from Calamitas is this:
I don't have the time to reread until deadline and no real preferences. Will vote for everyone if required when I get online again (about an hour before deadline).
That came right after the vote count. Calamitas had a great opportunity to preserve himself and join the Space wagon; he did not. To my mind, this is the exact course of action I would expect if Space was Calm's partner.
Take a look at this, please, EFHW.
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And now I'll have to see if the same is true for EFHW, and it actually sort of looks like it, from a cursory scanning of the vote counts.
*Screams into a pillow.*
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By the way if I am wrong about this please please please point out what I missed, Space. I can basically feel the Spec QT being like "WTF are you doing Robz, just lynch EFHW."
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I'm actually vla in Switzerland right now. Should have a chance to post in about 6 hours.
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By the way if I am wrong about this please please please point out what I missed, Space. I can basically feel the Spec QT being like "WTF are you doing Robz, just lynch EFHW."
And the reason I don't just vote EFHW straight away is that I don't like the degree to which you seem so self-conscious and conversation-steery.
I've got a gig coming up in an hour or so, and then another tonight, so I'm stuck phone posting for the day.. big re-reads tomorrow.
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Ok, Robz, reread from SA's reads list through RR's lynch, and the sections you mention do read well as them being Calamitas's partner. More than once they seem to chide him for lurking, as a partner might. And there is that leap off the Calamitas wagon. But then there are several towny posts, including their explanation for getting off the Calamitas wagon. I bolded the parts that strike me as towny. Before you tell me those can be faked, I am aware of that. But they do kind of add up.
OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.
"his recent stance" -- TBH, I'm not actually the most unhappy mislynch in this game just now.
I wasn't really feeling good about the Calamitas wagon. He's young, and he's an overachiever with a perfect record, so my bet is that he's afraid of making mistakes that will blemish that (or just look retrospectively stupid) when D1 is so short on actual evidence.
I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.
Of course, I'd expected scums to maybe join the wagon on faust (particularly since EFHW was pushing him earlier) rather than jump to me, but hey, this works too.
I use smilies often.. people just have to get over it.
I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.
Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
I'm not voting for myself :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
No.
Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P
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I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life. His exam, and when he said he would be back. The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
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Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after she jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
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Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after they jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
ftfm, sorry
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Sorry for the delay! I'll stay here thinking about stuff till I cast an actual vote now.
Firstly, I've been looking more at the early game, around the Calamitas L-1 wagon in D1.
#243: Robz votes Calamitas for lurking.
#254: I join the wagon after my first reads of everyone picked him and RR up as the only two seeming mildly scummy.
#263: EFHW, who had been voting faust, moves to Jake, putting him at L-1.
#264: faust joins the Calamitas wagon.
#271-276: Awkward exchange between faust and Calamitas.
#301: LL joins the Calamitas wagon, putting him up to L-1.
The four of us stay voting for Calamitas for 20 posts, when LL unvotes following e's observation that he's L-1'd both Jake and Calamitas at #319.
Robz makes three posts in a row at #315-317 where he could have engineered a switch away from Calamitas, but in #317 he actually says Calamitas is still reading scummy to him. I think that would be pretty heavy early bussing with little to go on if he was actually Calamitas's partner. Meanwhile, EFHW just sat on Jake's wagon for the whole of the rest of D1.
If I read with an element of confirmation bias, it wouldn't be hard to interpret Calamitas's odd conversation with faust in the middle there as him attempting to add another voice to EFHW's case against faust. But I'm trying to do an unbiased read for the moment :-P
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I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life. His exam, and when he said he would be back. The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
Why wouldn't you pay attention to the actual people we're playing with? I would try to do the same with little personal facts from anyone, I think. You give away surprisingly little, though.. not sure if that's because you're more private as an individual, or more guarded as scum. I should read more of the old games, I guess.. but I don't have time to do that right now.
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Robz, the stuff you're quoting above about the Calamitas wagon in D1 focuses only on the short second stint Calamitas had at L-1, after faust had moved away to RR, and Jake had jumped onto Calamitas instead.
The conversation running up to me jumping to faust was a bit tedious, and it didn't feel like the Calamitas wagon was exactly gaining traction, so I tried a new tactic with faust, who was already suggesting lynching me. I explained what I was up to back at #456, too. Of course, I had no idea faust was the tracker, and I didn't expect him to claim with so few votes on :-( I was online and keeping an eye on things actively, since I was home sick with tonsillitis -- there are several posts there that show I was around.
During Calamitas's first stint at L-1, neither of us moved away till LL had unvoted. You and I had both posted in that time, so we were clearly both around and able to divert our votes if we'd wanted to. If I'd had a scum-partner motivation to move my vote the second time he got to L-1, I should have done so first time his wagon reached that point, too, really, and you can see that I didn't.
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Now for D2 considerations.
The fact that I was hesitant about the EFHW lynch and let her sit at L-1 for ages is unfortunate if she is scum. However, I think it's a non-partner tell for Robz, as far as me and Calamitas being potential scumbuddies goes, since if we were the scum pair there's no reason for one of us not to have hammered EFHW. Note that while I was away at the deadline (because I'd read the "Sunday" rather than the "19th" part of gkrieg's deadline text), and I was definitely there and able to hammer up till almost #900, and EFHW had been on L-1 since #782.
It also makes Robz look townier to me, because a Robz-Calamitas scum-pair would also have been pretty happy with an EFHW mislynch, so Calamitas would presumably have hammered in that situation, even though it was Robz's wagon.
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I think that's enough of a case now that today's re-reading can stop.
Vote: EFHW
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Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after they jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
ftfm, sorry
No problem :-) I'm okay with "she" -- it's what I use IRL in the majority of circumstances, even though there are quite a few reasons it doesn't fit that well. It's people defaulting to "he" every time that really bugs me.
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You make good points, SA, but wrong conclusion! There's no chance of town winning unless I vote: Space. If Robz is scum, this doesn't help him because he's already won.
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Coming home from airport right now, more later.
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Vote: EFHW
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Damn
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Can't wait to find out which of you was the scum.
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8)
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8)
Wait, you were the scum??
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it was over. Henry and Lena had won.
EFHW has been lynched!
The scum team of Robz888 and Calamitas has won!
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Mod QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/6eEbA3GB9C3uJ
Mafia QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gJ6jTihdZupMh
Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/h9hMHdgJFdZ
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Good game, everybody! Pretty cool to go to LYLO as scum in just my second game since my return. Cool, and nerve-wracking!
Was really glad that Calamitas understood the setup well, I was totally lost on that front.
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Just read speccy QT, wow! None of you suspected me?
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I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.
@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P
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I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.
@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P
Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
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I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.
@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P
Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D
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Calamitas, you are scary! Well played!
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Calamitas, you are scary! Well played!
Why? :D (Referencing the first part :P)
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I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.
@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P
Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D
Haha.. I didn't really think about it looking scummy to question your claim. I was more worried about the possibility of town!you having made a mistake, and wanting confirmation that you understood the consequences before agreeing to jump in and lynch you.
From now on, I'll just have to assume that you don't make mistakes, so every little suspicious thing you do is deliberate and scum-motivated ;-)
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I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.
@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P
Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D
Haha.. I didn't really think about it looking scummy to question your claim. I was more worried about the possibility of town!you having made a mistake, and wanting confirmation that you understood the consequences before agreeing to jump in and lynch you.
From now on, I'll just have to assume that you don't make mistakes, so every little suspicious thing you do is deliberate and scum-motivated ;-)
And I will work with that conclusion in my next scum game :P
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Wow good job scum I never even suspected ethier of you as scum. I guess I just got schooled on how to play as scum
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@robz Why did you choose to kill LaLight over no-kill in the last night?
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Was one of you a RoleBlocker?
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Oh, I see. As you, Robz, wrote in one of your posts in Mafia QT the longer I thought about it the more I got sure you're scum. So if you let me live, things could go the other way around :)
Good game everyone!
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Was one of you a RoleBlocker?
No, there wasn't one
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But I saved Faust N-1
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But I saved Faust N-1
And he died anyway so why did he not live then
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We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
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But I saved Faust N-1
And he died anyway so why did he not live then
Robz used a Strongman shot
PPE: 1
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I'm glad scum won this one. I feel like the setup is more balanced in this iteration than the previous iterations.
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We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me
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Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
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Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
I vote robz because robz played scum so well by staying under the raidar the whole game as well as finding the Pr's and lynching them (ME) and using his powers well
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Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
I vote robz because robz played scum so well by staying under the raidar the whole game as well as finding the Pr's and lynching them (ME) and using Hispowers well
Not sure so maybe His/her/they
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We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me
You misinterpreting how strongman works. They didn't use it on you, they used it on Faust.
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Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
Was I?
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We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me
You misinterpreting how strongman works. They didn't use it on you, they used it on Faust.
Oh
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We obviously knew there would be a doc and the claimed tracker has been a likely target. So we decided to use it N1 to ensure fausts death.
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Man I'm off to a bad mafia start now 0-2
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Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
just lonely me.
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Wow good job scum I never even suspected ethier of you as scum. I guess I just got schooled on how to play as scum
Yes you did. You spent much of Day 2 suspecting Calamitas, or were none of your accusations actually your opinions?
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Sorry if I sound pissed. This was a frustrating game.
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I'm glad scum won this one. I feel like the setup is more balanced in this iteration than the previous iterations.
I think telling the mafia the roles was too powerful, especially given that town didn't know their own modifiers.
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That was pretty well faught. Double LyLo is tough. I probably would've tried to lynch SA here, so well played Robz.
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It didn't affect the game, but I also strongly disagree with giving mafia the town role pms.
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It didn't affect the game, but I also strongly disagree with giving mafia the town role pms.
especially on request and without telling town.
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Telling town would have been an enormous disadvantage. Not knowing would have been an unintended disadvantage.
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Sorry if I sound pissed. This was a frustrating game.
I am really sorry for this and tunneling you all the game.
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Sorry EFHW for pushing a completely made-up case on you all game. It was so thin.
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At a computer now, so can express myself better. Robz gave a masterful performance and definitely earned MVP, imo. While I was 97.5% sure he was scum, I had nothing to present to anyone else, and he and Calamitas also did a good job linking me to Calamitas so that I really did seem to be his partner. Holding back from the quicklynches was what seemed to persuade SA in the end, so that worked out well, too.
I think Jake's tunneling of me played into Robz's hands and created a group impression that I was scum, even though nothing was ever presented by anyone that made any kind of case. It was too bad e was so busy, because he could have been a balancing factor.
My defending Calamitas's fake result was definitely a mistake that inadvertently reinforced a connection between me and him. I know I was in part reacting to Robz's position that "sometimes you just have to choose", and so I wanted to balance his scummy choosing by doing the opposite of what he did. Turns out he DOES bus partners after all.
I'm disappointed Space couldn't see the towny motives behind my actions, but I understand how I seemed to be Calamitas's partner. When Robz tempted me to lynch them, and I refused, I thought that could be persuasive. Both his attempt and my refusal seemed telling to me. In the end, I voted Space in the desperate hope that I was wrong and Robz was town.
Thanks faust, for reading me correctly! You get towncred for our next game together (at least through RVS)!
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Telling town would have been an enormous disadvantage. Not knowing would have been an unintended disadvantage.
Scum doesn't get to have perfect knowledge, just more knowledge than town. Already just knowing who the town are is an advantage. Having one-sided information about the roles is an advantage. Having no unknown negative utility modifiers to worry about is an advantage. Having the means to fakeclaim, without town knowing that, is too much, I think. Reading the qt, it occurs to me that Robz artfully maneuvered the mod as well as the town. Part of his job, of course.
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I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life. His exam, and when he said he would be back. The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
Why wouldn't you pay attention to the actual people we're playing with? I would try to do the same with little personal facts from anyone, I think. You give away surprisingly little, though.. not sure if that's because you're more private as an individual, or more guarded as scum. I should read more of the old games, I guess.. but I don't have time to do that right now.
My kid, liopoil, used to play mafia quite a lot, so I got into a habit of discretion for his sake. It's probably more my nature, too.
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I really thought you were scum EFHW
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At a computer now, so can express myself better. Robz gave a masterful performance and definitely earned MVP, imo. While I was 97.5% sure he was scum, I had nothing to present to anyone else, and he and Calamitas also did a good job linking me to Calamitas so that I really did seem to be his partner. Holding back from the quicklynches was what seemed to persuade SA in the end, so that worked out well, too.
I think Jake's tunneling of me played into Robz's hands and created a group impression that I was scum, even though nothing was ever presented by anyone that made any kind of case. It was too bad e was so busy, because he could have been a balancing factor.
My defending Calamitas's fake result was definitely a mistake that inadvertently reinforced a connection between me and him. I know I was in part reacting to Robz's position that "sometimes you just have to choose", and so I wanted to balance his scummy choosing by doing the opposite of what he did. Turns out he DOES bus partners after all.
I'm disappointed Space couldn't see the towny motives behind my actions, but I understand how I seemed to be Calamitas's partner. When Robz tempted me to lynch them, and I refused, I thought that could be persuasive. Both his attempt and my refusal seemed telling to me. In the end, I voted Space in the desperate hope that I was wrong and Robz was town.
Thanks faust, for reading me correctly! You get towncred for our next game together (at least through RVS)!
You had a good case though which is why I tunneled you
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I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone. On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
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I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone. On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
Yaeh but I had a very good case on you and LL for the scum team and nothing on robz or calm
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In regard to the mvp I would call it a pretty close call. We both played a really great game, neither of us was close to get lynched at any point. My lynch and the engame was intended and went fully according to plan, would put that evenly on both of us. Though I would gove myself the edge for my successful framing of efhw which ultimately lead SA to vote her. Though I'm probably pretty biased here, what do you think robz?
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Mvp vote count
Robz (1): Jake
Calamitas (1): Calm
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???
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I'm definitely for Robz here. I never trusted him as much as in this game, even in other games I've read. He made a HUGE work. I thought I an not even able to be more suspicious, now I understand that I have to be.
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In regard to the mvp I would call it a pretty close call. We both played a really great game, neither of us was close to get lynched at any point. My lynch and the engame was intended and went fully according to plan, would put that evenly on both of us. Though I would gove myself the edge for my successful framing of efhw which ultimately lead SA to vote her. Though I'm probably pretty biased here, what do you think robz?
You did play well, Calamitas. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
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Mvp Vote Count 2.0
Robz (2): Jake, LL
Calamitas (1): Calm
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I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone. On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
Yaeh but I had a very good case on you and LL for the scum team and nothing on robz or calm
I am genuinely confused. In what way did you have a good case on me? Even Robz admits it was really thin. This matters for future games. Like I said before, I think you might not be calibrated yet about what constitutes a good case. Your argument for a me-LL partnership was ok, but even before that you kept saying you had a case against me but I could never find it.
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My case was the you and Ll case and I really thought that that was solid case on you for scum
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My case was the you and Ll case and I really thought that that was solid case on you for scum
No, you tunneled me for a long time before you said anything about LL being my partner. And Space before me, with no case that made sense there either. Barring blatant scumslips, it is generally not going to be easy to tell who is scum. You have to balance your feelings of suspicion with your knowledge that 1) town can seem quite scummy and 2) scum can seem quite towny. On the last day, Robz made a decent case against Space and Space made a decent case against me. You can use those as markers for the strength of cases. And remember they were both wrong!
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I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
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I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake. His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town. At some point you have to realize that other townie people telling you that your case isn't really all that great means that you should look somewhere else.
In response to stuff about the setup, I think it is fine for scum to know what roles are present. With their roles (being a goon and not a RB), they already had quite a bit of information. I think giving scum fake claims by giving them the PMs should also be known by town. Publishing all of the PMs before the game in a semi-open setup is more important than giving scum a copy of the PMs. I also don't think that any part of the game should ever be decided by the wording in PMs, because I think it is the stupidest thing ever. Obviously the mods don't ever want people to know who is town because of some way that they worded something.
I think scum played a great game. I don't think any of it was really affected by the information that was given them. I think the only thing that you can attribute to their extra knowledge of the setup was the faust claim. They knew that he was the actual tracker and they needed to use strongman. But I think you always use strongman there, even if you don't know that there is a tracker and a doctor in the setup.
MVP goes to Robz though. The fact that really no one thought he was scum, is pretty remarkable. Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum. I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
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MVP goes to Robz though. The fact that really no one thought he was scum, is pretty remarkable. Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum. I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
Thanks! Yeah, that was a feel-good way for the game to end (for me). Probably even tops my other favorite LYLO, which was in Deep Space Nine (Mafia 19).
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Good job robz
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I think this game showcases the importance of partners not getting linked together too badly. I mean, sure, Calamitas-Robz was always a decently likely pair, but there was ample evidence to support EFHW-Calamitas and even Space-Calamitas, too.
Oh, and I didn't even consider not shooting last night. Perhaps I should have, but I think that would have been bad. I took LaLight out at the time LL was of greatest use to me--hugely on my side and townreading me. I knew from experience that this attitude was going to subside. A dead LL couldn't change their mind.
A bigger consideration was whether to let gkrieg start the next day immediately, since I had already made my choice. But I thought rushing it might cause Space to pause and consider whether I was driving things.
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I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake. His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town.
Message #67 in the Scum QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gJ6jTihdZupMh) was a bit telling :-(
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Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum. I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
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I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake. His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town.
Message #67 in the Scum QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gJ6jTihdZupMh) was a bit telling :-(
The derisive way Robz said I should be townreading Jake was also classic scum!Robz.
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Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum. I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
SA wasn't an IC, not at all. The fact that I incriminated him might have been easily scum!me trying to generate a fake conflict between the two scums to win the LyLo by ensuring that not both are lynched.
As town I would have assigned that possibility a pretty high probability actually. Sure this effect was what we wanted to generate to create a dual-suspicion on two town players, but it was impossible for town to see through that in that situation.
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Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum. I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
SA wasn't an IC, not at all. The fact that I incriminated him might have been easily scum!me trying to generate a fake conflict between the two scums to win the LyLo by ensuring that not both are lynched.
As town I would have assigned that possibility a pretty high probability actually. Sure this effect was what we wanted to generate to create a dual-suspicion on two town players, but it was impossible for town to see through that in that situation.
*them. Sry :(
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Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division). Guess that means I have to start playing again.
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Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division). Guess that means I have to start playing again.
You should!
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Yeah
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I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
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Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division). Guess that means I have to start playing again.
This would be really awesome. I loved playing with you in NM8.
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I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
Then just make a post pertaining to a specific person!
Be like: @Lalight: EFHW is scum because of X, Y and Z. If you don't believe me, think about A, B and C.
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I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
Then just make a post pertaining to a specific person!
Be like: @Lalight: EFHW is scum because of X, Y and Z. If you don't believe me, think about A, B and C.
I don't believe you. A is weak argument, you know that. B is considerable, though I need to look at their interaction. C is ridiculous, look at your post #675, it's the same.
Vote: Roadrunner