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Title: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative: Game Over!
Post by: mail-mi on October 03, 2016, 07:28:56 pm
Hello, and, again, welcome to the Aperture Science Computer-aided Enrichment Center.

Mafia 87: Portal Mafia

Mods: mail-mi and gkrieg13

Signups are closed.

1. Roadrunner7671 Vanilla Core
2. silverspawn
3. LaLight Space Core
4. schadd Anger Core
5. pingpongsam
6. JaketheBaseballGod22 Turret
7. Fargo Archetype: Chell
8. Calamitas Vanilla Core
9. SpaceAnenome Rick, the Adventure Sphere
10. J Reggie
11. Robz888 Doug Rattmann
12. Haddock Curiosity Core
13. iguanaiguana McGarnacle Vanilla Core


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod in your QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. All players will receive a personal QT should they wish to record their thoughts or communicate with the mod (I believe this is beneficial to the game as a whole, particularly postgame analysis).  However (due largely to weight of public opinion) it will NOT be allowed to quote directly from QTs.  It is also not allowed to specifically ask about the content of another player's QT or otherwise encourage them to discuss it.  This rule is obviously subject to abuse, so I ask players to do their best to stick to the spirit of the rule.
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 35 hours of day ending, unless otherwise specified.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again. This includes posts in QTs.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or any shared QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If there is no majority by the end of the day, the day will end in a no lynch.

The Rest:
1. Bold, lime green text is reserved for the Mod. Players should strive to avoid similar-looking text.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mods via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Prods may be requested after 24 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mods.
8. Players with roles can send orders either in the QT or by PM, but QT is the preferred medium.

Deadlines:
1. Days have 2 possible durations:
   a. If it is Day 1, or 6 or less people are alive, days will last 7 IRL days.
   b. Otherwise, days are 10 IRL days.
2. Nights will last somewhere between 36 and 48 hours, depending on mod availability. The night action deadline is always 35 hours after day's end. 
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 03, 2016, 07:29:09 pm
WIFOM is a Semi-Open Original setup for 13 players. It's designed to eliminate towncred given to players who claim power roles and to show how WIFOM (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM) can be a powerful tool for both Town and Scum.

The "base" setup is as follows:

Quote

3 Mafia:
Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)

10 Town:
Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)

Pregame, 0-5 Modifications will be made to the above setup. Each Modification has a 50% chance of being present. They will alter the setup by adding more power roles to both the Town and the Mafia:

Modification 1:

Anger Core -> 2-shot Roleblocker
Vanilla Townie -> Intelligence Core (Doctor)


Modification 2:

Anger Core -> Flavor Cop
Vanilla Townie -> Wheatley (Roleblocker)


Modification 3:

Turret -> 2-shot Rolestopper
Vanilla Townie -> Doug Rattmann (Watcher)


Modification 4:
Turret -> 1-shot Ninja
Vanilla Townie -> Rick, the Adventure Core (Tracker)


Modification 5:
Cave Johnson -> Cop Enabler
Vanilla Townie -> Space Core (Universal Backup)


Here's what the setup looks like when ALL the Modifications are present:
Quote
3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper

10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores

Mechanics:

- When players die, only their Flavor Name and Alignment will be revealed.
- Mafia cannot complete the factional kill and use a power in the same night.
- Rolestopping resolves before Town!Roleblocking which resolves before Mafia!Roleblocking

Role Clarifications:
- 1-shot Psychotrooper is an Active power. The night they choose to use it, the Alignment Cop will get the opposite result for their investigation (Scum instead of Town and Town instead of Scum).
- Investigative powers receive "No Result" if their action was blocked in any way.
- When the Cop Enabler dies, all Alignment Cop Investigations return "No Result"
- Flavor Cop is told their target's Flavor Name. If both are present, it is used in conjuction with Roleblocking. However, the Anger Core does not have to Roleblock when they Flavor Cop, and they can still Flavor Cop when out of Roleblocking shots.
- Ninja can be used to modify the user's Factional Kill or Rolestopping
- Rolestopping doesn't stop Kills
- The Universal Backup inherit the first Town Power Role that dies. A Town PR with 0-shots left (if they are an X-shot Role) does not count for UB inheritance. The Innocent Child's 1-shot Commuter can be inherited by the UB.

Here is the Vanilla Core PM:

Quote
(http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/9/91/Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png/250px-Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png)

Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.

Town Wincon: You win once all the mafia are dead.
Mafia Wincon: You win once the mafia controls half the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 03, 2016, 07:59:17 pm
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 03, 2016, 08:05:33 pm
/comod
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: silverspawn on October 03, 2016, 08:09:48 pm
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 01:12:45 am
I'm /in
Because i'm a potato.
Why is Wheatley good and we don't have GLADoS? :)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 01:21:18 am
I'm /in
Because i'm a potato.
Why is Wheatley good and we don't have GLADoS? :)

Because spoilers, and because I'm GLaDOS. ;)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 01:22:20 am
We do what we must because we can.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 01:22:44 am
I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 01:24:11 am
I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
Don't worry, I will too.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 01:25:22 am
I'm gonna used plenties of quotes, guys. Sorry =)
Don't worry, I will too.

The best of the flavors.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 04, 2016, 05:52:42 am
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on October 04, 2016, 07:29:49 am
/tag as busy
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: silverspawn on October 04, 2016, 07:52:00 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdyQbYytMCU
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: schadd on October 04, 2016, 08:11:17 am
i would /in except i can't find my keyboard
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: schadd on October 04, 2016, 08:11:28 am
ah, found it.
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: McGarnacle on October 04, 2016, 08:11:30 am
Is this fairly newbie-friendly?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 08:13:07 am
Look ai the people who's /in. Yes :) I am always helpful if anything, ask me what you want, I'll always be willing to answer
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 08:13:46 am
Though people always want to lynch me after that
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 08:48:49 am
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 04, 2016, 08:53:09 am
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 04, 2016, 10:09:37 am
That's a cool ass setup
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 04, 2016, 10:21:47 am
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 04, 2016, 10:22:14 am
Is this fairly newbie-friendly?

I would say it is very newbie friendly.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 04, 2016, 10:40:06 am
When does this game fully begin?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 04, 2016, 10:41:02 am
When does this game fully begin?
When signups are full
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 04, 2016, 10:42:29 am
How will I know when that is?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 04, 2016, 10:48:13 am
When does this game fully begin?

Shortly after role PMs go out and everyone confirms.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 04, 2016, 10:48:56 am
Dang I got ninja'd by RR, still mine was wittier.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 04, 2016, 10:50:32 am
Dang I got ninja'd by RR, still mine was wittier.
There's a 90-93% chance you just confused him
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: pacovf on October 04, 2016, 11:43:55 am
I would in because flavor, but way too busy  :'(
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 11:56:57 am
I would in because flavor, but way too busy  :'(

 :'(
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Archetype on October 04, 2016, 11:58:15 am
obligitory /TAG
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Fargo on October 04, 2016, 02:10:19 pm
/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 04, 2016, 02:14:35 pm
/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!

Make sure to make a post outside of the forum games so that you can get rid of the bot protection thing.

I really want to play this game but I don't know if I have enough time. /tag at least.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 02:35:46 pm
/in

hi! I'm a newbie here, but I've played lots of mafia URL and I think I'll be able to sort things out :)

Also, I'm acquainted with LaLight IRL and he convinced me to try. I hope I will be okay!

Thanks in advance, nice to meet you all, guys!

Welcome!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Calamitas on October 04, 2016, 03:31:08 pm
Absolutely /in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: schadd on October 04, 2016, 09:31:29 pm
Absolutely /in
|/in|
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 04, 2016, 09:40:57 pm
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)

To quote the space core, "Gotta [/in], Gotta [/in]. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey lady. Let's [play this game]"
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 05, 2016, 10:28:18 am
Gotta go to Spaaaaaaaaaaaace :-)

Is that an /in?

It's currently a strongly tempted maybe :-)

To quote the space core, "Gotta [/in], Gotta [/in]. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey lady. Let's [play this game]"

Better buy a telescope. Wanna see me. Buy a telescope. Gonna be /in space :-)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: LaLight on October 05, 2016, 02:51:26 pm
@Jake, i suppose we need at least one of ongoing games to end for people to /in.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 5 spots left!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 09, 2016, 09:38:23 pm
/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 5 spots left!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 09, 2016, 09:38:58 pm
I'm so excited about this player list
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: Ghacob on October 10, 2016, 12:25:50 am
Put me /in, but I won't be available until Tuesday
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: Haddock on October 10, 2016, 12:08:52 pm
OK, /in.

Space and I will just have to not talk mafia for a few weeks.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 10, 2016, 12:10:31 pm
Yay, 2 left!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 10, 2016, 12:24:05 pm
Only one person to go!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 10, 2016, 12:24:45 pm
Yay, 2 left!

Oh, even one
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on October 10, 2016, 01:59:36 pm
/.................tag!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 10, 2016, 02:03:10 pm
/.................tag!

:( i'd play with you
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on October 10, 2016, 02:08:06 pm
Watch out for Lalight, everyone. He wants you to think he's

(http://officialhuskylovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/puppy-dog-eyes1.jpg)
but really he's

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ff/2a/98/ff2a98a793493b41e0354feae74681af.jpg)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 10, 2016, 02:11:32 pm
Watch out for Lalight, everyone. He wants you to think he's

(http://officialhuskylovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/puppy-dog-eyes1.jpg)
but really he's

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ff/2a/98/ff2a98a793493b41e0354feae74681af.jpg)

Without you playing they won't realise that! Come and save the town!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 10, 2016, 04:32:52 pm
The set up is all rolled and ready to begin once someone signs up!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: schadd on October 10, 2016, 10:06:13 pm
apparently there is gonna be a portal movie. that is not the correct medium
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: schadd on October 10, 2016, 10:06:32 pm
and of course i'm implying that the ideal medium is themed mafia
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Ghacob on October 10, 2016, 10:35:50 pm
Regrettably, /out. Not confident I can keep up with two mafia games simultaneously along with work etc.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 11, 2016, 03:40:32 am
There is FIVE people tagged.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on October 11, 2016, 09:05:19 am
There is FIVE people tagged.
/Tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on October 11, 2016, 09:05:30 am
/tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Robz888 on October 11, 2016, 09:13:12 am
/In
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on October 11, 2016, 09:13:28 am
well that settles it.

/in
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on October 11, 2016, 09:14:50 am
well that settles it.

/in

woohoo!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Haddock on October 11, 2016, 09:15:15 am
/In
duuuuuuddddeeeee....

That's beyond exciting.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 11, 2016, 09:23:50 am
I was just reminiscing about the last game Robz and I dominated quite a long time ago. It's like a family reunion.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 11, 2016, 09:27:31 am
/In

ROBZ!!!!!!!!!!

I'll start the game when I get home from work around 6:00 pm.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 11, 2016, 09:53:55 am
Yay Robz!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 11, 2016, 10:04:05 am
So... who's Robz?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 11, 2016, 10:05:18 am
/In
Woah!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 11, 2016, 10:07:17 am
So... who's Robz?

Used to be a big time mafia player like ashersky. Up until recently was a moderator as well.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Haddock on October 11, 2016, 10:08:18 am
So... who's Robz?
I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia.  I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days.  A big deal, basically.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 11, 2016, 10:17:21 am
Yay!!!! FULL GAME!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 11, 2016, 10:45:55 am
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: J Reggie on October 11, 2016, 10:49:00 am
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.

Unless I'm scum with him.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Haddock on October 11, 2016, 10:53:08 am
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 11, 2016, 11:13:05 am
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P

Okay, so you'd rather we lynch you D1, then?
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Haddock on October 11, 2016, 11:17:01 am
Also, he's exceptionally good at it. Like basically, we should just lynch him D1.
Urrrrr....  Good players can be good at being town too, buddy :P

Okay, so you'd rather we lynch you D1, then?
You do that.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: Ghacob on October 11, 2016, 11:22:45 am
oh and /tag of course
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Robz888 on October 11, 2016, 12:09:48 pm
So... who's Robz?
I've seen Robz described as the heart and soul of f.ds forum mafia.  I believe they started the whole thing, or at least were instrumental in the early days.  A big deal, basically.

Eevee was the heart, Galzria the soul. Yuma was the brain. Ashersky remains the arms.

Me? I was the lungs.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 11, 2016, 12:32:51 pm
Jotheonah and Frisk were like, ears and legs or something.
I guess I never considered myself one of the old guys. I'm like new old stock. I believe my first game was MVI (roman numerals FTW).
I'll claim the bald spot on top of the head as my anatomy analogy.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: Robz888 on October 11, 2016, 12:34:49 pm
Jotheonah and Frisk were like, ears and legs or something.
I guess I never considered myself one of the old guys. I'm like new old stock. I believe my first game was MVI (roman numerals FTW).
I'll claim the bald spot on top of the head as my anatomy analogy.

I think it was Mafia 7.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: Robz888 on October 11, 2016, 12:35:52 pm
(Admittedly, my memory has started to fade over the last five years and 80 games...)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: LaLight on October 11, 2016, 12:37:45 pm
(Admittedly, my memory has started to fade over the last five years and 80 games...)

Let's find all these people and make mafia 100 for the vets. It may be cool :)
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 11, 2016, 12:42:17 pm
It was MVI (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3074.0)
I rolled Doctor for my first game, ran with my gut with a bunch of meta I didn't know and ended up playing perfectly. 19 people and 160+ pages of play, with a SK to boot. Epic first game, which included Robz.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: ashersky on October 11, 2016, 02:43:11 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: schadd on October 11, 2016, 03:21:48 pm
formal declaration of excitement
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on October 11, 2016, 03:31:26 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: silverspawn on October 11, 2016, 03:36:55 pm
/tag

if you do it a bit more often, maybe it starts to be funny!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 11, 2016, 06:22:00 pm
Alright, PMs are going out now! Please /confirm by PM or in your factional QT (there are no personal QTs). Night 0 starts as soon as all PMs are sent out and ends at 6:30 PM FT on Thursday, October 13th.

As a note, I will be trying to emulate GLaDOS in the flavor. This includes your PMs. Any sarcastic remarks are flavor, and flavor does not matter this game.

As an example, here is the Vanilla Core PM:
Quote
(http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/9/91/Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png/250px-Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png)

Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: mail-mi on October 11, 2016, 06:23:15 pm
Thread locked except for tags.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: pacovf on October 11, 2016, 06:50:07 pm
/tag, hoping for brilliant flavour, which is what we are going to get. Just ah... just you wait for that flavour. Anyway, it's going to be very very good. We will only get it once the game gets started though. Or when people get lynched. Or-die-in-some-other-horrib- well that... ah... that doesn't sound so good anymore, does it. But the flavour! Yes just think of the flavour, it's for the best. Probably.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: sudgy on October 11, 2016, 11:04:40 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on October 12, 2016, 04:43:49 am
Thread locked except for tags.
/tag
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
Post by: mail-mi on October 13, 2016, 06:16:21 pm
Hello, and welcome to the Aperture Science Computer-Aided Enrichment Center. We would just like to take a moment to thank you for volunteering to participate in this required Enrichment Center Activity: the Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative. Today, you robots will learn how to become more human-like by participating in the game the humans call Mafia. This will help teach you how to do what humans are best at, that is, betrayal, backstabbery, and murder.

You may notice that one of you is not a robot, but is, in fact, a human. That is because she is the best I know at betrayal, backstabbery, and murder. Her name is Chell, and the code name she wishes to go by so that no one knows her name is Chell, is Fargo. She is a horrible person, so you should definitely choose to lynch her.

The Initiative is about to begin. The lights will turn on in 3... 2... 1...


Day 1 start!
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 13, 2016, 06:18:37 pm
First! Vote: Jake for being scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 13, 2016, 06:23:27 pm
vote: Spaaaaaaaaaaace cause they are universal scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 13, 2016, 06:24:08 pm
So Fargo is an IC
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: iguanaiguana on October 13, 2016, 06:24:57 pm
 I'm just a little black raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin clouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NitBpJaom5k)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 13, 2016, 06:26:14 pm
Please be advised that a noticeable taste of blood is not part of any test protocol but is an unintended side effect of the Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grill, which may, in semi-rare cases, emancipate dental fillings, crowns, tooth enamel, and teeth. - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (13): Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, pingpongsam, JaketheBaseballGod22, Fargo, Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, Robz888, Haddock, iguanaiguana

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6:30 PM FT on October 20th. (This may change to a couple hours earlier depending on my work schedule, which I do not yet have)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 13, 2016, 06:34:20 pm
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 13, 2016, 06:39:09 pm
Well done. Here come the test results: You are a horrible person. I'm serious, that's what it says: A horrible person. We weren't even testing for that. - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.1

Jake (1): Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (2): LaLight, Haddock

Not Voting (13): silverspawn, schadd, pingpongsam, Jake, Fargo, Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, Robz888, iguanaiguana

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6:30 PM FT on October 20th. (This may change to a couple hours earlier depending on my work schedule, which I do not yet have)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 13, 2016, 06:40:46 pm
Here we gohttp://
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 13, 2016, 06:44:48 pm
Here we go
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 13, 2016, 07:01:18 pm
vote: Spaaaaaaaaaaace cause they are universal scum

That last game was a triumph :-P Scum was so much fun!

Actually... am I right in thinking that every time you've voted for me so far, you've been the scum?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 13, 2016, 07:04:54 pm
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 13, 2016, 07:14:36 pm
vote: Robz

That last thing you said in the scum QT was scummy.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 13, 2016, 07:17:39 pm
nicknames, in this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg643621#msg643621) order

roland ronaldo
silent slam
lamb
dad
pong pong shyamalan
jakrias, goddess of the sport
far? go!
calm before the lamitas
space animeal
george regina
coup z'etatatat
i had a dork
two dogs
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 13, 2016, 07:20:37 pm
vote: Robz

That last thing you said in the scum QT was scummy.
vote: robz

because i don't like the tone that he used in the scum qt when he said to sheep you when you vote for him
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 13, 2016, 07:21:32 pm
in mafia school, we call that the triple whammy
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 13, 2016, 09:23:15 pm
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 14, 2016, 02:04:58 am
I hope we have a doctor so IC will live more than 2 days.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 14, 2016, 06:32:40 am
I hope forum works for now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 14, 2016, 07:02:34 am
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 14, 2016, 07:25:16 am
Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 14, 2016, 07:30:48 am
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

You're seriously going to act like you didn't know I was in the game when we directly interacted before game start concerning Robz' presence and you explicitly told me to lynch you D1?

About Robz', he feels as I do D1 is pretty much a useless waste except he won't participate whereas I think it actually is worth playing D1 for later analysis.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 14, 2016, 08:17:42 am
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

You're seriously going to act like you didn't know I was in the game when we directly interacted before game start concerning Robz' presence and you explicitly told me to lynch you D1?

About Robz', he feels as I do D1 is pretty much a useless waste except he won't participate whereas I think it actually is worth playing D1 for later analysis.
That was like 4 days ago.  I don't remember such things.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 14, 2016, 01:56:40 pm
First! Vote: Jake for being scum
Vote: Roadrunner for being scummest
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (N0)
Post by: LaLight on October 14, 2016, 02:25:34 pm
First! Vote: Jake for being scum
Vote: Roadrunner for being scummest

man, it doesn't count without bolding
like vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 14, 2016, 02:37:47 pm
Let's join the fun vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 14, 2016, 03:31:03 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 14, 2016, 04:31:02 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
I'm a multi-game vet! 24 games under my belt, and I'm really bad at Mafia. But I have fun, and I like to think I'm fun to play with.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 14, 2016, 04:32:57 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
I played m84, m85, bm24 and am currently taking part in another game.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 05:00:20 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?

I'm a multi-game vet!  I think Jake and Fargo are the only newbies here. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 14, 2016, 06:28:14 pm
vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock

This is something I can get behind! Vote: Haddock
Ooh, PPS is in this game?  Sorry, Space, you can have my vote back later.
vote: PPS
I'm curious to see whether PPS will succeed, as in the past, in driving me a bit nuts by tunnelling me for no reason.

It's okay, you can vote for scums instead!

Though with PPS, isn't it worth just waiting till D2 and seeing if he scumslips spectacularly anyway? ;-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 14, 2016, 06:36:46 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?

I've got 4 completed games (Olympics, BSG, Ghibli and Newbie 8) and a 50% success rate overall. I've known Haddock IRL for years, and he introduced me to f.ds mainly because I expressed interest in his BSG game... now I'm a bit hooked on forum mafia :-)

Other relevant fact: I'm using singular they as a pronoun in here, so if all the people I don't know in this game could please not call me "he", that would be great! Thanks :-)

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 06:59:41 pm
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 07:03:25 pm
Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god

That sounds like a discussion for RSP.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 14, 2016, 07:12:36 pm
Sorry, forum keeps going down. But we're still in RVS so it's all god

That sounds like a discussion for RSP.
I was reading that and I was like 'is that a joke? What is J Reggie on?' But then I was like 'Ayyyyyyy' so it's all good
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 14, 2016, 09:10:39 pm
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Vote: J Reggie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 14, 2016, 09:11:08 pm
i have completed exactly one game, m86. it was bad and we superlost
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 14, 2016, 09:53:33 pm
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 14, 2016, 10:16:50 pm
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
This is my first game but I've played mafia elsewhere and
(http://Vote Roadrunner)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 14, 2016, 10:19:03 pm
Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
  i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 10:33:03 pm
So I've been thinking and I'm pretty sure no PRs besides the cop should claim D1. The cop shouldn't claim results until D3. If a scum PR flips, then the associated PR can and probably should claim.

Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?

I'd say in this game, no. Claiming PR basically just means you have a 50% chance of being scum, so it's better not to claim at all if you're at L-1. But obviously I am not every PR in this game so everyone should make their own educated choices.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 10:38:12 pm
Well, they should claim if L-1'ed, yes?
  i have been wondering what the idea is behind that axiom. is it that people who get to l-1 are under high suspicion, and thus the benefit afforded to the town knowing more information about the person outweighs the benefit of scum to be able to nk a pr, since they were likely to die anyway? if so then i would generally think it's less worth doing d1, because there isn't actually much suspicion, and getting to l-1 doesn't mean as much

I think the idea behind that is that at L-1 is basically your last chance to prove you should be alive, so if you have a PR it's basically claim your PR or die. In that situation, claiming is usually better than being lynched. In this game, that changes. The setup is designed so that claiming a PR doesn't prove anything. That's why I'm saying town PRs shouldn't claim, as it won't help them and it will help scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 10:38:45 pm
Obviously scum PRs should claim.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 14, 2016, 11:01:08 pm
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 14, 2016, 11:32:57 pm
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie

How is that intuitive?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 12:29:40 am
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie

How is that intuitive?
i don't think you know what intuitive means
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 03:28:05 am
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?

I played 4 games, now taking part in 2 and comodding one
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 03:29:36 am
oh, anyway, back to the intuitive
vote: j reggie

Oh, intuition! vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2016, 03:37:10 am
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2016, 03:37:30 am
vote: shadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:17:19 am
  • ::)
  • >:(
8)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:31:30 am
I think my return has short-circuited the Forums.

In any case, nice to be back at it. For those of you who don't know me, I played in every Mafia game on this Forum, games 1 thru 50 (excepting the two that I modded). I also crafted the Civility Pledge.

I know PPS and silverspawn from back in my day. Would be nice to get some sense of which of the rest of you are newer to this, or all of you multi-game vets?
This is my first game but I've played mafia elsewhere and
(http://Vote Roadrunner)

Your vote still didn't work. Just take this as a hint that you shouldn't be voting for me  ;)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Fargo on October 15, 2016, 10:25:50 am
Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 15, 2016, 10:27:38 am
Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn

Actually it might be better that you're less experienced because then we won't lynch you! Anyway, welcome!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 10:28:03 am
Hi everyone!
This is my first game, I've got no experience (except real mafia of course) so you've got the most useless innocent child you've ever met  :)
according to my sixth sense i'm going to vote: silverspawn

Sheep the IC! vote:Silverspawn
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 10:29:02 am
God.
vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 15, 2016, 10:31:51 am
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 10:33:01 am
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 10:43:17 am
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 15, 2016, 10:54:23 am
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 15, 2016, 11:30:56 am
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

Sheeping the IC is scummy, so I'm going to sheep the person saying sheeping the IC is scummy.

Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2016, 11:49:04 am
claiming that sheeping the IC is scummy is scummy. vote: J Reggie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2016, 11:51:11 am
Robz, you were asking for people's experience. 

See my signature I guess.  14/15 games.  I started at the same time as RR but somehow he's played way more games than me.  Comes of having time, I spose.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 12:15:32 pm
Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
no
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 15, 2016, 02:51:14 pm
Excellent! You're a predator and these tests are your prey. Speaking of which, I was researching sharks for an upcoming test. Do you know who else murders people who are only trying to help them? Did you guess 'sharks'? Because that's wrong. The correct answer is 'nobody.' Nobody but you is that pointlessly cruel. - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.2

Jake (1): Roadrunner
Haddock (1): SA
LaLight (2): J Reggie, Robz
PPS (1): Haddock
schadd (1): Calamitas
J Reggie (4): PPS, schadd, silverspawn, LaLight
silverspawn (1): Fargo

Not Voting (2): Jake, McGarnacle

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6:30 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th. (This may change to a couple hours earlier depending on my work schedule, which I do not yet have)

McGarnacle has replaced iguanaiguana.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 15, 2016, 03:00:31 pm
Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 15, 2016, 03:21:16 pm
Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?

We're lynching J Reggie.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2016, 03:32:44 pm
Hi guys, I'm replacing ii. Could somone give me a rundown on what is going on?

We're lynching J Reggie.
Dumb idea.

How about vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 15, 2016, 05:20:10 pm
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 15, 2016, 05:22:07 pm
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 15, 2016, 05:35:25 pm
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA

It's not rvs. vote: calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 15, 2016, 05:45:29 pm
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo
Yep. Making sense in RVS is scummy vote: SA

It's not rvs. vote: calamitas

Not even a little bite?
vote: Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 06:12:52 pm
vote: Jake
Why?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 15, 2016, 08:46:11 pm
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:10:26 pm
vote: pps
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:10:56 pm
Why me?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:11:17 pm
Why me?
Why not you?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:13:00 pm
I am innocent
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:13:47 pm
I am innocent
Prove it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:14:35 pm
make a case for yourself. what do you have to offer to us?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:15:10 pm
Um.... Baseball?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:15:50 pm
Vote: Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:16:36 pm
Vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:17:03 pm
 ;D ;D ;D Finally got it ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:17:07 pm
Vote: Roadrunner
Yay you figured out how to vote! You also figured out OMGUS
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:17:35 pm
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 09:18:18 pm
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner
I thought we were out of RVS  :-\
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:19:55 pm
yes. did you not read my point of evidence?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:20:03 pm
I thought you were roadkill
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:21:29 pm

vote: jake

baseball < roadkill
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:22:42 pm

vote: jake

baseball < roadkill
? That doesn't make sense
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 15, 2016, 09:32:36 pm
it means "baseball is less than roadkill"
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 09:56:01 pm
I know that but roadkill is pretty much useless whereas baseball provides entertainment for billions of people so shouldn't it be baseball>roadkill
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 15, 2016, 10:06:37 pm
What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 10:08:21 pm
What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.
What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 10:19:43 pm
What's going on here? vote: Jake vote: schadd vote: roadrunner rvs was over.
What did I do? I didn't encourage this nonsense! I asked some basic questions to Jake.
You brutally attacked me trying to make me into scum you scum Vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 10:21:00 pm
I know you guys will think this is bull but I'm getting some seriously scummy vibes off of Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2016, 10:37:36 pm
Unvote
I know we won't lynch him today so I won't waste my vote. But let's see how this progresses, yes?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 11:36:37 pm
Wow of course you would say that
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 15, 2016, 11:37:59 pm
Unvote: Roadrunner Ill be nice as well though because I think your town so I don't want u lynched
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 06:31:32 am
vote: Jake
Why?

To see how the total unknown newbie who isn't already IC reacts. It was fun.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 06:36:35 am
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.

I really wanted to make an argument a bit like that in Ghibli when I was sure Schadd was scum, but since Newbie 8 was still going on, I couldn't exactly point to it as a nice example of a newbie scum coping okay and not being super-obvious :-P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 06:48:56 am
Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2016, 06:51:46 am
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh.  I'm tossing up here.  First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit. 
Then I thought maybe he's right, this kind of forced-helpful listmaking early on can be scummy.
Then I thought, wait, no I don't agree with that at all, that's always been a crap argument.  It's particularly rubbish when applied to Space.
So yeah, this is a crap argument.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 06:58:51 am
Does this roughly sum up everyone's experience level?

Old Hands: Robz, Silver, PPS
Experienced: Haddock, J Reggie, RR
A few games: Calamitas, LL, SA
Newbie/1 game: schadd, McGarnacle, Jake, Fargo

This is scummy. SA's last game is plenty proof that experience has practically nothing to do with much of anything. All it means is the less you've been seen the less meta we have on you.
Ugh.  I'm tossing up here.  First I was just gonna say that this is PPS's usual bullshit. 
Then I thought maybe he's right, this kind of forced-helpful listmaking early on can be scummy.
Then I thought, wait, no I don't agree with that at all, that's always been a crap argument.  It's particularly rubbish when applied to Space.
So yeah, this is a crap argument.

Agreed. I've made thousands helpful hints in Newbies Mafia and everyone thought i'm scum, especially PPS (who was scum)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 16, 2016, 07:09:07 am
Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 07:31:06 am
Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

I'm no vet, but afaik this is called OMGUS and not indicative at all.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 07:31:43 am
You've done many crazy voting while I've been slleping. What's the vote count?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 07:38:18 am
Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

They usually call it OMGUS (the "US" bit is "you suck").

Early in the game voting for someone who votes you is no biggie, because we're just watching what wagons form more easily than what other wagons, and who interacts with whom. Haddock and I voting for each other was somewhat analogous to saying hi. The only people who have to be super-selfconscious in D1 are the scums, since they need to worry about looking like natural town, talking enough, not scumslipping and not making it super-obvious who each other are by forgetting to be suspicious of their partners and stuff.

Erm, that said, if you're a PR, it's quite a good idea to watch what you say and not to get outed early on, before you've had a chance to gather information or make use of your night-time abilities. People who didn't follow NM8, we knew from D1 that McGarnacle was one of the two town PRs, which rather helped out PPS and me as the scums :-P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 16, 2016, 07:50:24 am
Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)
I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 08:24:15 am
I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)

Wait, you're in both the "highschool" bucket and yet also the "non-native speaker whose English is functional enough not to cause problems" bucket at the same time? That's impressive :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 16, 2016, 08:26:55 am
I'm 16 and in my final school year ;)

Wait, you're in both the "highschool" bucket and yet also the "non-native speaker whose English is functional enough not to cause problems" bucket at the same time? That's impressive :-)
Haha thanks :D
Though I still like my vote on you :P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 16, 2016, 08:39:23 am
Haha thanks :D
Though I still like my vote on you :P

Oops, that wasn't me trying to buddy you up.. I'd just forgotten you hated me :-(

LaLight is right.. we need another vote count! I'll do an unofficial one later if nobody else gets in first, but right now I need to buy cheesecloth and teeny tiny power cells before all the shops round here shut...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 16, 2016, 09:22:46 am
I'm 38 thank you very much.
There's what I say and then what I do. People tend to react far more to the former which is why I say those things. What I do has far more bearing on my role and alignment, however.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 16, 2016, 09:31:11 am
I think this is town from SA. Keep in mind they were pretty much actilurking D1 in NM8.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 11:12:06 am
There's what I say and then what I do. People tend to react far more to the former which is why I say those things. What I do has far more bearing on my role and alignment, however.
"i made a kind of silly argument against sa that would also apply to like everyone else. but i didn't act on it, so you guys can't scumread me on it"
back to vote: pps
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 11:13:12 am
I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types
yes definitely one of those i am
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 11:15:44 am
oh, that said, i would also tend to agree with pps here, except for the fact that like nothing has happened and that sort of categorical stuff is intuitively nice
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2016, 11:45:55 am
Yeah I like the categorization
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 16, 2016, 12:35:28 pm
Just to help cement PomPomSan's read on me, here's some more maybe-but-not-necessarily meta-relevant facts/conjecture.

People who know each other IRL:
1) Jake and RR
2) LL and Fargo
3) me and Haddock

People who are high-school age: RR, McGarnacle, probably Jake?

I'm reading the rest of you as twenty-something students or young professional types, except for PPS, because I think he has kids, so by default he's a grumpy forty-year-old in my head :-)

That's very helpful, thank you. I'm 28, which is probably old by forum standards now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 16, 2016, 01:18:45 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2016, 01:19:47 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 16, 2016, 01:24:23 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 16, 2016, 01:37:59 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.

I mean, the reasoning doesn't work there, I don't think. And even very good scum have a hard time mirroring their town selves. Also, a player might behave wildly different as a vanilla townie than they would as a town PR.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 16, 2016, 02:23:28 pm
Please note that we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an 'unsatisfactory' mark on your official testing record followed by death. Good luck! - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.3

Jake (1): SA
LaLight (1): Robz
schadd (1): Haddock
J Reggie (3): PPS, silverspawn, LaLight
silverspawn (1): Fargo
SA (1): Calamitas
RR (1): J Reggie
PPS (1): schadd

Not Voting (3): RR, McGarnacle, Jake

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 02:36:22 pm
ouch
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 02:37:10 pm
vote: j reggie i guess
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 02:50:17 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 16, 2016, 02:58:27 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 03:01:12 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Fargo on October 16, 2016, 03:05:19 pm
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 03:06:33 pm
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight

And that is my meta actually, nice to meet you! I always try to push the game through.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 16, 2016, 03:22:10 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.

What I say and what I do. Different things, remember? Show me where I voted SA...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 16, 2016, 05:38:48 pm
Remember that if someone's a good player, their scum game and town game look very similar. So voting someone because they're good and they look towny isn't really helpful.
Why would you vote for someone because they're good and look towny?

Or looked like that's what PPS was trying to do with SpaceAnemone.

What I say and what I do. Different things, remember? Show me where I voted SA...
see, the thing that generally makes one 'scummy' is if something they do in this thread (voting, producing arguments) might cause an innocent person to be lynched. the thing that you said gives that impression to me: attempting to get other people to vote someone without wanting to seem like the one who started the wagon. are you suggesting that we not pay any attention to the things that you say? if so, you will generally not be helpful to have around
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 06:42:16 am
Definitely pay attention to what I say. What SA did looked scummy to me. Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum. Pointing it out creates discussion which is far more helpful than the RVS and demographics 80% of the game has been to date. I'm voting where I feel most confident there is scum. There's not much else I can say about that in the meantime.

I feel you, though, schadd, when several players start voting you your best option, as scum, is to start pitching better options than yourself.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 17, 2016, 06:50:43 am
Will catch up soon.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 07:30:21 am
Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

Asking that is a fallacy.

People really need to get out of this mindset that there is some kind of objective "towny" behavior and some objective "scummy" behavior and that it is proper or polite and better for everyone when you ask about things beforehand to make sure you don't act "scummy" because that would somehow hurt town's chances. Or that some people play "scummy" but that doesn't mean they are scum because "scummy" is how they usually play. Maybe playing "towny" would be a scum tell for them then, yes? Let's stop there.

Scummy, as in scum-y means "indicative of scum," which means P(Posting|Scum) > P(Posting|Town), or in terms of natural language: you are more likely to post that thing as scum than you are as town. Exactly then is it scummy, and the same thing applies for town-y, only the other way.

Now clearly, this depends on the player. Therefore, nothing is "scummy" in general. There are only things which happen to be things that scum (mostly new scum) does more often than town. For those things, you can hope that they are scummy for someone based on that, but it's just a guess. Maybe you're wrong and they aren't.

If you accuse someone who accused you and you are town then it's probably towny for you. If people scumread you for things you do as town, it means that they are wrong about what is scummy for you, not that you did scummy things as town. This is always true. Even if you play a certain way as scum and then play a second game almost exactly the same way even though you're town and you get lynched for it, it is still the rest of the players who are wrong and you who is right. Whether it is your or their fault is a different question, and in that case it is probably yours.

You could try to research what is more often towny or scummy before you post to avoid town having to guess since they don't know better, but I advise that you don't, because as soon as you do, you prove that you are explicitly aware of it and then it almost certainly becomes null anyway. In fact doing that is anti-town for this reason; it makes what could otherwise have been a tell into a null thing, thereby making it harder for others to read your alignment (which is good for you if you are scum, bad for you if you are town, and bad for town in any case). Just go ahead and do stuff and hope town figures it out.

Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 07:32:27 am
Town Reads: shadd
Scum Reads: J Reggie, vote: J Reggie
Null Reads everyone else
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 07:36:23 am
[...] voting someone because [...] they look towny isn't really helpful.

Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum.

These are some of the ways in which the term is being violated.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 17, 2016, 07:55:43 am
Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, do any of the vets here know if accusing the one who accuses you is scummy?

Asking that is a fallacy.

People really need to get out of this mindset that there is some kind of objective "towny" behavior and some objective "scummy" behavior and that it is proper or polite and better for everyone when you ask about things beforehand to make sure you don't act "scummy" because that would somehow hurt town's chances. Or that some people play "scummy" but that doesn't mean they are scum because "scummy" is how they usually play. Maybe playing "towny" would be a scum tell for them then, yes? Let's stop there.

Scummy, as in scum-y means "indicative of scum," which means P(Posting|Scum) > P(Posting|Town), or in terms of natural language: you are more likely to post that thing as scum than you are as town. Exactly then is it scummy, and the same thing applies for town-y, only the other way.

Now clearly, this depends on the player. Therefore, nothing is "scummy" in general. There are only things which happen to be things that scum (mostly new scum) does more often than town. For those things, you can hope that they are scummy for someone based on that, but it's just a guess. Maybe you're wrong and they aren't.

If you accuse someone who accused you and you are town then it's probably towny for you. If people scumread you for things you do as town, it means that they are wrong about what is scummy for you, not that you did scummy things as town. This is always true. Even if you play a certain way as scum and then play a second game almost exactly the same way even though you're town and you get lynched for it, it is still the rest of the players who are wrong and you who is right. Whether it is your or their fault is a different question, and in that case it is probably yours.

You could try to research what is more often towny or scummy before you post to avoid town having to guess since they don't know better, but I advise that you don't, because as soon as you do, you prove that you are explicitly aware of it and then it almost certainly becomes null anyway. In fact doing that is anti-town for this reason; it makes what could otherwise have been a tell into a null thing, thereby making it harder for others to read your alignment (which is good for you if you are scum, bad for you if you are town, and bad for town in any case). Just go ahead and do stuff and hope town figures it out.

Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
Thank you for that! :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 08:17:19 am
Definitely pay attention to what I say. What SA did looked scummy to me. Looking scummy doesn't mean you are scum. Pointing it out creates discussion which is far more helpful than the RVS and demographics 80% of the game has been to date. I'm voting where I feel most confident there is scum. There's not much else I can say about that in the meantime.

I feel you, though, schadd, when several players start voting you your best option, as scum, is to start pitching better options than yourself.
well, voting is helpful for town if for no other reason than it makes it easier to find your opinions when we reread, or to be able to get more information from vote count posts—and well from, my limited experience, those can be more revealing than the thread as a whole, like how a line of best fit is better than a scatter plot. my other point of evidence is that silverspawn and faust, who are Good Players, voted a lot day 1 last game.


ppe like 5
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 08:46:32 am
Everyone who read this will from now on earn scum points whenever he asks whether something is scummy before doing it.
i'm excited to maybe have a full game with you
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 09:45:03 am
-snip-

I mostly agree, but there has to be some kind of meta for us to go off of. If not then lynching a newbie would always be wrong (absent an investigative result) and playing a game would require reading every one of every player's games. So yeah, I don't think it's entirely wrong to say "this person has done scummy things but that doesn't mean they're scum". It's just usually unproductive.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 17, 2016, 10:35:57 am
To me it looks like silverspawn is trying to target J Reggie but I haven't read everything so can someone tell me if J Reggie did something wrong
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 17, 2016, 11:51:28 am
vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 11:52:19 am
vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.

L-2 again
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 11:52:45 am
Schadd is a better choice for me actually.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 17, 2016, 12:00:10 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 12:03:26 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Well, actually this was my first scum-game and one of the first games overall and it lasted very long so I just want to mention that I should stop feeling like he's my partner and look at his messages the other way.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 12:03:45 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2016, 12:04:03 pm
Gah.  I'm really exhausted now and have been trying and failing to get maths done all day.  Will have to catch up later.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 12:05:40 pm
Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.

Oh, really? Nice joining to the wagon :) vote: JReggie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 12:11:24 pm
That's L-1 I believe.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 12:14:23 pm
Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 17, 2016, 12:23:56 pm
Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?

The best thing for scum is to get a huge wagon on Day 1. Early wagons die, and then that person is often deemed "already vetted."

The worst thing for scum is to draw little notice until later days. My old saying was, on Day 3, lynch whomever hasn't had a wagon yet.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 12:26:15 pm
I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 12:26:56 pm
Wait no ss was already voting me. Still, it's L-2. Like, is my new meta just to get a huge wagon D1?

The best thing for scum is to get a huge wagon on Day 1. Early wagons die, and then that person is often deemed "already vetted."

The worst thing for scum is to draw little notice until later days. My old saying was, on Day 3, lynch whomever hasn't had a wagon yet.

Well that's not particularly reassuring, but I'll remember that next time I'm scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 17, 2016, 12:55:04 pm
Just reread, pretty much null on anyone. I hate D1 :D
Though my gut tells me vote: haddock
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 17, 2016, 01:33:26 pm
Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 03:01:44 pm
Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum

And this is the thing I don't like. Too many gut feelings actually. Looks like he just tries to mimic the other's behavior right in this post.

Vote: JTBG22
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 17, 2016, 03:46:02 pm
Vote: silverspawn I just have a gut feeling your scum

And this is the thing I don't like. Too many gut feelings actually. Looks like he just tries to mimic the other's behavior right in this post.

Vote: JTBG22

Yeah, Vote: JTBG22
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 17, 2016, 04:33:43 pm
Yeah, it feels kind of forced. Though I don't see why it should be scum indicative.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2016, 04:38:05 pm
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 17, 2016, 05:21:59 pm
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2016, 05:23:59 pm
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 17, 2016, 05:37:30 pm
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
Before, but I didn't want to say anything. Want me to point out the certain post?

Go for it! :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2016, 05:38:49 pm
To me it looks like silverspawn is trying to target J Reggie but I haven't read everything so can someone tell me if J Reggie did something wrong
Well this is completely wrong, since silver was just doing his usual thing of taking a stance (town on silver, btw, but then I always townread silver.  Also, @silver, are you tunneling anyone yet?  Semi-serious question.).  I'm not sure I like this from Jake, but he's new.  Not gonna take too much off it.

vote: JReggie for lack of a better choice.
Eww.  We've never played before McGarnacle, correct?  Either way, this is not good; voting someone "for lack of a better choice" this early in D1 is just lazy.

Reread SA, JReggie, PPS and RR and so far all of them are looking townie to me.

Others.. Schadd is just strange and always become null to me I guess. Calamitas is null. Silver is silent. Others I don't know.

Based on the differences between earlier games and this one, I'll vote: schadd

It's weird not knowing schadd's alignment. I might agree with you.

It's also hard not to treat you as a partner. I must get used to it. You also can be scum, though your posts in this game are really different from Ghibli, so I will treat you as my town-partner. For now.

I find this to be a weird post, mostly because I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty, though I think I've said that I've been feeling this way--as scum--to explain away some odd interaction with a player as having to do with a previous game where we were scum together.

So I will leave my vote where it is.

Yeah, I also thought that was a weird post. Like why would he be feeling like he was my partner if he wasn't scum? But also why would he just go out there and say that as scum?
Let's vote: lalight.
Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?

I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.

I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.
Town on RR.  This makes just the right amount of sense.  That is to say, a little but not much.
Also the bad attempts at being sneaky ring like town!RR.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.


Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.
vote: Lalight

PPE.  Oh Space there you are! 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2016, 05:40:16 pm
I am innocent
So it was this. Since we're a bunch of stupid kids we do stuff like taking people's stuff then being like 'no, you must've dropped it!' Jake is notorious for using that line with a goofy smirk on his face, I think it's become like an instinct to him, so he just naturally posted that.
So you know what? Vote: Jake
PPE
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 05:49:39 pm
i mean, if that's real, then that's pretty incriminating, although it might just be a nod more than anything. and also i wouldn't put it past rr to make something like that up.


jake, what say you?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 05:50:26 pm
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 05:55:01 pm
I have a thought.
I think the scum is not on my wagon. Because ic voted me. So when i flip town it will be less people to choose from. So they are either not voting or on JReggie. In this case i want to unvote cause imo you vote for two townies. Tell me, if this is wrong
This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.

Well. I've never played with IC before, I just put my mind into this to think if this impacts on the game in some way. God, I hate D1 too because there's not really strong evidence and somehow every my post just summons bunch of votes. I try to think differently. That is all.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 17, 2016, 05:59:18 pm
Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.
I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?

This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.
We are all Space :-)


Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.
vote: Lalight
Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2016, 06:06:43 pm
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
He's played something similar to mafia but it wasn't as sophisticated, smart, strategic or as organized as it is on this forum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 06:45:38 pm
aight.


  rude roaster: definitely trying!to!get!jake!into!the!game!rr. his other posts have been sorta detectivey so he's good
  silverspleen: he is posting loudly, as ever. i'm sure other people are reading this in their respective ways, but he seems fine to me
  lah light: the only game i've seen for him was a scumgame. and well, he doesn't look that different, but he didn't look especially bad in that game either. suffice to say, there'll be a couple things that i'm gonna look for.
  pongpongpong: his split personality thing seems bad but uh reasonable; saying stuff is part of the fun of the game either way and it's nice to be able to do it without incriminating yourself. but, i mean, consider it in the context that he also tends to scumslip, apparently (i skimmed time loops). mild scum
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
  fargoat: go nuts, dude! say things to test people, put em on the spot. nothing you say can go wrong.
  calamities: hasn't really said much of note. null
  space and moon: bit of a gut townread, although i suppose that's not how townreads are supposed to be. a bit more playful d1 than in ghibli, though.
  j regular: see lalight, except, uh, i had a somewhat strong scumread on this guy. i am concerned that he just sounds like that, but in ghibli, he got a big wagon that fizzled and i didn't suspect it hard enough. i guess this applies to lalight as well.
  roob zed ate: i uh definitely believe that he's an experienced player. has dropped a couple pieces of towny wisdom, which is nice.
  hammork: testing people (ooh, one of them is me!) which is nice. mild town. excited to see how he meshes with the anemone (and all of the pairs of people that know each other)
  mcgarnacular spectacular: dunno. can you post, like, 7 things one after another so we can get a sense of character?


i was gonna go back to voting j reggie (again) but i don't think he needs any push to say incriminating stuff. so let's try
vote: lalight


i think scum!gkrieg still gives good formatting advice. thanks bud
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 06:58:55 pm
I hope I'm not hammered. Request: vote count
And please, stop this nonsense.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 07:02:35 pm
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 17, 2016, 07:11:57 pm
If I'd known you'd let yourself get captured this easily, I would have just dangled a turkey leg on a rope from the ceiling. - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.4

Jake (4): SA, LaLight, McG, RR
LaLight (5): Robz, Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, schadd (L-2)
J Reggie (2): PPS, silverspawn
Haddock (1): Calamitas
silverspawn (1): Jake

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 07:12:14 pm
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli
i don't think i said that, exactly
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 17, 2016, 07:51:59 pm
aight.


  rude roaster: definitely trying!to!get!jake!into!the!game!rr. his other posts have been sorta detectivey so he's good
  silverspleen: he is posting loudly, as ever. i'm sure other people are reading this in their respective ways, but he seems fine to me
  lah light: the only game i've seen for him was a scumgame. and well, he doesn't look that different, but he didn't look especially bad in that game either. suffice to say, there'll be a couple things that i'm gonna look for.
  pongpongpong: his split personality thing seems bad but uh reasonable; saying stuff is part of the fun of the game either way and it's nice to be able to do it without incriminating yourself. but, i mean, consider it in the context that he also tends to scumslip, apparently (i skimmed time loops). mild scum
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
  fargoat: go nuts, dude! say things to test people, put em on the spot. nothing you say can go wrong.
  calamities: hasn't really said much of note. null
  space and moon: bit of a gut townread, although i suppose that's not how townreads are supposed to be. a bit more playful d1 than in ghibli, though.
  j regular: see lalight, except, uh, i had a somewhat strong scumread on this guy. i am concerned that he just sounds like that, but in ghibli, he got a big wagon that fizzled and i didn't suspect it hard enough. i guess this applies to lalight as well.
  roob zed ate: i uh definitely believe that he's an experienced player. has dropped a couple pieces of towny wisdom, which is nice.
  hammork: testing people (ooh, one of them is me!) which is nice. mild town. excited to see how he meshes with the anemone (and all of the pairs of people that know each other)
  mcgarnacular spectacular: dunno. can you post, like, 7 things one after another so we can get a sense of character?


i was gonna go back to voting j reggie (again) but i don't think he needs any push to say incriminating stuff. so let's try
vote: lalight


i think scum!gkrieg still gives good formatting advice. thanks bud

Why are you voting me?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 07:57:25 pm

imagine i'm you:
Lalight seems to me rather fussy. Though he might be a townie who is testing the reaction of other players, he had revoted three times. vote: Lalight
And that is my meta actually, nice to meet you! I always try to push the game through.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 08:20:18 pm
@silver, are you tunneling anyone yet?  Semi-serious question.).
sort-of JReggie

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
infidestimastidatidululutotoro
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:23:25 pm
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:24:11 pm
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

I mean except J Reggie cause I can't hammer him if I'm already voting him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 17, 2016, 08:25:22 pm
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:27:26 pm
Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...

Maybe. These wagon run ups with no real intent are annoying. Besides I could be offline so it's like Russian roulette if someone goes L-1.

The question you have to ask is whether scum!PPS is just going to hammer Willy nilly like that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:28:10 pm
Also, if it hits scum was it anti town?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:28:53 pm
Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:29:23 pm
Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.

And that is definitely anti town so case closed. Good job, you're a genius.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 08:32:17 pm
Also, also, the rule applies to myself as well.

And that is definitely anti town so case closed. Good job, you're a genius.
how 'bout i'll hammer for you, then
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 08:37:09 pm
i think that attitude is kinda not so bad, it really just says that he's okay about the current wagons. although, uh, not giving whoever a chance to whatever would be kinda rude and stuff. but let's play the game where pps said not to necessarily trust what he says
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 08:50:18 pm
i think that attitude is kinda not so bad, it really just says that he's okay about the current wagons. although, uh, not giving whoever a chance to whatever would be kinda rude and stuff. but let's play the game where pps said not to necessarily trust what he says

Really I am fine with anybody dying today. The current wagon is largely BS smoke and mirrors though so I'm calling the bluff. And from this point forward I expect real wagons to develop cause I'm collecting a hammer today unless y'all orchestrate it so I'm not around to do it.

This is now public knowledge so you can't say I didn't give so and so a chance to claim or whatever because taking a guy to L-1 today is as good as pulling the noose yourself.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 08:56:49 pm
Also, if it hits scum was it anti town?
yes.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2016, 08:57:31 pm
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 17, 2016, 09:04:26 pm
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
i'm excited!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 09:20:13 pm
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS
i'm excited!

Me too, this is what I live for!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 17, 2016, 09:21:20 pm
let's see if that principle applies to you vote: PPS

Already said it did, but feel free to test me. You think scum can help themselves?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 01:09:22 am
I don't like this. People should claim.vote: PPS
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 01:58:03 am
And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 01:58:33 am
You still can, but nothing useful will come out of it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2016, 05:21:41 am
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing.  Need to think for a bit.

Meantime, PPS is being PPS.  Completely null.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 18, 2016, 06:42:09 am
And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(

You were posting at 8pm forum time, which is about 3am for you, right? I'm writing that off as a reason to sound stressed all on its own.
And then posting again at 2am forum time, so 9am for you. You know sleep is actually your friend, friend :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 06:55:41 am
And guys, I'm really sorry if i sounded angry/offensive in some way. Don't wanna be lynched D1 :(

You were posting at 8pm forum time, which is about 3am for you, right? I'm writing that off as a reason to sound stressed all on its own.
And then posting again at 2am forum time, so 9am for you. You know sleep is actually your friend, friend :-)

Was watching series and then just couldn't not to write a post :)
Sleep is not important when Aperture Science is in danger!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 07:13:31 am
I don't like this. People should claim.vote: PPS

There's nothing preventing claims at L-2, we already covered this, get with the program.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 07:17:17 am
Just because I'm townie and I was townie in Ghibli and there I was scum you gonna lynch me.
Wow.
This is beyond any sense. Look into any of 5 games I've played. I just try to think differently and do something fun and helpful. I can't understand people voting me out of the nowhere. Okay, lynch me, whatever. Just give me time to claim before hammering please.
I come down on the side of this being frustrated town rather than caught-for-the-wrong-reasons scum, but it's actually close run thing.  Need to think for a bit.

Meantime, PPS is being PPS.  Completely null.

You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright? The only scum narrative here would be a Hail Mary to save LaLight, my partner. What a dumb play, if you ask me.

This is an obvious not null thing. I'm mystified that you could think it null.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 18, 2016, 08:47:19 am
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2016, 09:10:46 am
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Well put.

Also, PPS, you do stuff like this every game.  I believe you're more than capable of emulating that meta.  I think you're aware that people expect this kind of stuff from you.  So yes.  It could well be either scum you or town you.  Hence, null. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 18, 2016, 09:45:21 am
vote: Jake

No longer such a fan of the LaLight wagon.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:45:10 am
unvote: silverspawn you can lynch me but i'm just trying to figure out who is mafia and who isnt
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:45:26 am
and why Robz
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:47:19 am
and RR I don't do that IRL
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 10:47:43 am
and RR I don't do that IRL
What? That's a blatant lie!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:48:40 am
No!!!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 10:54:52 am
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:57:16 am
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
What have I done to make you guys hate me???
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 10:58:00 am
I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
What have I done to make you guys hate me???

No-one hates you man. Someone just thinks you're scum in this game :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:58:34 am
WHYYYYY??????
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 11:01:06 am
I don't have time to throw together my case, but just reread a bit Jake.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 11:02:42 am
I don't have time to throw together my case, but just reread a bit Jake.
I did I still don't understand RR explain your case
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 11:30:39 am
After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 12:50:21 pm
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.

Fair point, but it's just D1; not the whole game. But fair point; very astute you are.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 12:52:43 pm
You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
Well put.

Also, PPS, you do stuff like this every game.  I believe you're more than capable of emulating that meta.  I think you're aware that people expect this kind of stuff from you.  So yes.  It could well be either scum you or town you.  Hence, null.

You right, you right. Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 01:00:50 pm
Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
the statement disproves itself
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 01:45:24 pm
Still, this is pretty dumb scum play. At least way dumber than as town.
the statement disproves itself

???

I assume the implication I am scum? Otherwise I don't follow. This here plan of mine may not be brilliant but it is extra dumb if I am actually scum. Reason is I am cornering myself into potentially lynching myself or a partner. Also, nobody likes this and as scum I want to be likable.

Bur I'm not scum so it's only kinda dumb and hell, I like to keep things interesting and this is doing it for today.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 01:46:22 pm
That smiley autogenerated on me. I didn't know 3 question marks in a row triggered it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 02:04:01 pm
well, anything that seems clumsy as scum will in turn give you townpoints, especially if you point it out.
but i mean the thing that you're doing doesn't actually have any net effect, it's just like saying one only needs 6 votes instead of 7. it is pro-town if the person targeted by whatever the wagon is will tend to be scum, but there isn't strong reason to assume that (and the thing that you're doing makes it less likely yet, since there is less time to iron the details out)
  the reason that "cornering yourself into hammering a partner" doesn't make sense is that you're also cornering yourself into hammering a town. and well, since you're the one arbitrating, ultimately, if you're scum, you can choose to go back on yourself if your partner is targeted (i can imagine the post now; "i told you guys not to trust what i say"), but go through with it if it's a town ("i said i was gonna do it. it's your own fault").


so yeah, vote pps
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2016, 02:14:29 pm
^ missing colon
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 18, 2016, 02:17:16 pm
I don't like the idea of lynching Jake D1 based on something RR tells us. Pps is definitely just weird!PPS, but I don't like how he's insisting this is more dumb as scum so he must be town. Like yeah but it's not gonna help you win.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 02:21:16 pm
well, anything that seems clumsy as scum will in turn give you townpoints, especially if you point it out.
but i mean the thing that you're doing doesn't actually have any net effect, it's just like saying one only needs 6 votes instead of 7. it is pro-town if the person targeted by whatever the wagon is will tend to be scum, but there isn't strong reason to assume that (and the thing that you're doing makes it less likely yet, since there is less time to iron the details out)
  the reason that "cornering yourself into hammering a partner" doesn't make sense is that you're also cornering yourself into hammering a town. and well, since you're the one arbitrating, ultimately, if you're scum, you can choose to go back on yourself if your partner is targeted (i can imagine the post now; "i told you guys not to trust what i say"), but go through with it if it's a town ("i said i was gonna do it. it's your own fault").


so yeah, vote pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 03:13:42 pm
thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 18, 2016, 03:27:57 pm
thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?

Scum can't ignore trying to mislynch me because they can claim I was acting sooo anti-town despite it being D1 and largely irrelevant.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 18, 2016, 03:34:55 pm
I don't really like the LaLight wagon. Jake seems to play kind of cautious, but I think newbies generally tend to do that. Probably still Jake>LaLight, though I won't vote for him now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 04:03:55 pm
thanks, vote: pps

Right, so you are the scum who can't help himself.
what?

Scum can't ignore trying to mislynch me because they can claim I was acting sooo anti-town despite it being D1 and largely irrelevant.
i mean, should i let you do things that are bad? that thing that you definitely said is bad for town. which is what people lynch people for
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 18, 2016, 04:26:10 pm
After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie

Seems to me like he would claim a PR if he really wanted to save himself, instead of claiming vanilla townie.

unvote for now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 18, 2016, 04:26:46 pm
Getting a strong town vibe from PPS.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 04:27:10 pm
See, I thought just the opposite. I usually claim VT as scum because setups are hard to read and I don't wanna mess up my fake claim
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 04:27:31 pm
See, I thought just the opposite. I usually claim VT as scum because setups are hard to read and I don't wanna mess up my fake claim
This is addressed to McGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 04:28:08 pm
vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 04:28:55 pm
vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 18, 2016, 04:29:37 pm
vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.

And that's why now scum!you are doing this?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2016, 04:30:15 pm
vote: RR

You tunnel Jake too hard imo.
Scum!me never tunnels, ever.

And that's why now scum!you are doing this?
Oh yeah, I change my playstyle every single game!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 18, 2016, 04:30:59 pm
After reading through some old games I have realized that at this point i'm probably dead anyway with 6 votes on me so i'm just gonna tell my role and let you guys decide if it will benefit anyone to lynch a vanilla townie

Seems to me like he would claim a PR if he really wanted to save himself, instead of claiming vanilla townie.

unvote for now.
Claiming a PR would be awful and anti town. The thing is, his response seemed a little to conscious for a towny. I don't know his character, but generally speaking newb!townies (at least in my model of them) are more likely to sound like "Man, I'm really just a vanilla towny, it doesn't make sense to lynch me" and not "Since I'm likely to get lynched I will benefit town by telling my role and let them make decision based on that". But this might be way off, need rr to elaborate on Jakes character for that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 05:25:37 pm
I'm really competitive so I was really mad that I was getting lynched D-1 so I maybe made that message to harsh
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 07:34:09 pm
baseball for life, man.


yeah, i don't really think doubting people for, like, the (un-)noobiness of what they say is reliable. or, rather, that's not the thing that feels weird to me about jake. the sense i'm getting is that he already knows a bunch of the language (just from experience) but there is a faint tang of, like, quintuple-wifom, like, he's clearly attempting to say stuff in a 'towny' way but it also sort of explicitly sounds like he's trying to say stuff in a 'towny' way, etc. i am willing to believe that he is a god, not only of baseball.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 07:39:12 pm
I bless upon thy soul of schadd that he liveth in peace and prosperity  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 07:51:15 pm
thanx ♪
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 18, 2016, 08:03:04 pm
Unofficial Vote Count

Jake (3): SA, RR, Robz
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
J Reggie (1): PPS
Haddock (1): Calamitas
PPS (2): silverspawn, schadd
RR (1): LaLight

Not Voting (2): Jake, McG

So Jake's not even got that much of a wagon for someone who's so worried about being lynched at this point in a D1. But he's new, and I remember being super-nervous about that sort of thing to start with. So maybe that's a bit null. I need to do more re-reads, but right now I mostly need to go to bed. Just thought I'd post my interim vote count in case it saves anyone else a bit of time :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 08:13:05 pm
Thanks for the vote count SA
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2016, 08:19:57 pm
vote: Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 18, 2016, 08:25:07 pm
that's just his way of saying "you're welcome"
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 08:51:24 pm
Why SS?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2016, 09:15:31 pm
as a baseball, I think you should be bouncing between walls until you confess your scuminess.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 18, 2016, 10:07:14 pm
One I'm not scum two baseballs don't bounce
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: McGarnacle on October 18, 2016, 10:20:26 pm
One I'm not scum two baseballs don't bounce
[/quote

As someone who plays baseball, I can verify this.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2016, 01:22:15 am
well then I will unvote of course.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 19, 2016, 02:14:26 am
vote: Jake
Sorry man, that's only because you're scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 19, 2016, 09:27:18 am
That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 10:02:20 am
That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.
?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 10:02:34 am
That's L-2, which is effectively L-1.
?
Cause of PPS
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 10:04:36 am
Who is watching...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 10:05:59 am
Who is watching...
You are watching!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 10:08:09 am
 :-\ :-\ :-\ I'm pretty sure i'm dead :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 10:09:37 am
:-\ :-\ :-\ I'm pretty sure i'm dead :-\ :-\ :-\
Do something useful and maybe not. Who do you think is town? Who do you think is scum? Why? What can you bring to the table?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 10:15:51 am
I think Lalight and Silverspawn are scum but i'm not sure since this is my first game and I think Robz might be scum to based on his responses. I think that  RR and Haddock and schadd are confirmed town because they have done nothing scummy and if i'm not lynched I hope that I can help the town find the scum and hopefully lynch them.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 19, 2016, 10:20:38 am
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 10:26:02 am
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.

That's because you and schadd are scum and if Jake isn't the third partner this hurts your chances of staying concealed. Scum team called before close of D1; meta remains intact.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 19, 2016, 10:30:52 am
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.

He's still hedging by pointing out it's his first game.

@Jake, what do you think of the other players you didn't mention in your reads there?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 10:43:22 am
PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town   
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 10:43:49 am
Fargo is confirmed town by the moderator  :P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 10:44:45 am
Many assumptions even though there is too little to work with. Though not really alignment indicative probably.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 10:46:39 am
Fargo is good then sorry Fargo didn't know
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 10:47:37 am
That's based off posts/how my brain interprets things
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 19, 2016, 10:49:10 am
PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town

I'd say this is scummy except that forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny. Do you think he could have been coached by partners about this?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 19, 2016, 10:50:15 am
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 10:51:14 am
PPS looks like hes being targeted by schadd by i'm pretty sure that schadd is town and PPS is town so i think its just miscommunication between town J Reggie is kind of suspicious to me but not sure about him and i'm pretty sure that SA is town. Fargo doesn't talk so idk calamitas is alright but i'm not sure about him and McGranacle is probably town

I'd say this is scummy except that forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny. Do you think he could have been coached by partners about this?
Hmm, he could. But I don't think they would have said something like "just make bad hypotheses and forget important facts when under pressure". So it is probably intuitive.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 10:51:48 am
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
Yep, he is the one that can attack and test without risking himself.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 19, 2016, 11:07:08 am
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
Also essentially everything Jake has done recently could be seen as a newbie flailing under pressure.  Either alignment possible.  He's done a few traditionally scummy things, but the case is pretty weak really.

Lalight did something opportunistic that I didn't like, I'll see if I can fish it out. 

Not sure I like RR's response to the Jake thing.  I think town!RR might be more inclined to look after his newbie friend.

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2016, 11:55:43 am
forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 12:00:19 pm
Forgettingor mmissingthe IC is a pretty big town tell.
 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 12:00:47 pm
What's the IC?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 19, 2016, 12:01:49 pm
forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

Why so?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 12:04:50 pm
forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

Why so?
Because it is too gameable I would guess.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 12:05:48 pm
Jake sounds a little too confident here, but man I really do not like lynching a newbie D1.
I don't like lynching a newbie D1 either.
Also essentially everything Jake has done recently could be seen as a newbie flailing under pressure.  Either alignment possible.  He's done a few traditionally scummy things, but the case is pretty weak really.

Lalight did something opportunistic that I didn't like, I'll see if I can fish it out. 

Not sure I like RR's response to the Jake thing.  I think town!RR might be more inclined to look after his newbie friend.
This is an unforgiving world
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2016, 12:16:37 pm
Because of the nunmerous times I've forgotten it as scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 19, 2016, 12:42:11 pm
Thanks for the belief in me silverspawn I never could have done anything without your support. :P :P :P :D :D ;D
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 12:59:20 pm
Feel pretty good about Vote: RR
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 19, 2016, 03:38:59 pm
unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 03:41:34 pm
unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 03:47:26 pm
unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 19, 2016, 03:50:15 pm
unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 19, 2016, 04:07:36 pm
unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.

Agreed. Think scum would have tho. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Fargo on October 19, 2016, 04:18:03 pm
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2016, 04:28:08 pm
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
You're not gonna live through several nights  :-\
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Fargo on October 19, 2016, 04:30:18 pm
I'm more than sure that scums are going to lynch me as soon as they can, so if Jake was scum he would know i am IC
that's my point
I also feel like silverspawn is scummy, just kind of feeling based on the second voting when schadd, silverspawn and lalight were trying to accuse J Reggie groundlessly
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Fargo on October 19, 2016, 04:31:37 pm
Also Fargo needs to post more. Being an IC doesn't mean you get to be inactive.
I'm so sorry for not being active at all, just have a week of exams and it sucks
will post more if i live through several nights
You're not gonna live through several nights  :-\

so inspiring
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 05:24:29 am
I kinda want to vote RR but he's way too easy to mislynch, I think I want to leave him for the day and give us more time to get a grasp on what's going on with him.

Lalight hasn't really done anything since I last looked, so I'm still happy with my vote there for now.

When's deadline?  Soonish, right?

Silver still seems towny to me but he always does, anyone who's capable of reading silver please speak up.

Jake remains lynchable except giving newbies a D1 is usually good.

Whatever happened to the J Reggie wagon?  I think I could consider getting on board with that if it became a thing again.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 06:18:42 am
I kinda want to vote RR but he's way too easy to mislynch, I think I want to leave him for the day and give us more time to get a grasp on what's going on with him.

Lalight hasn't really done anything since I last looked, so I'm still happy with my vote there for now.

When's deadline?  Soonish, right?

Silver still seems towny to me but he always does, anyone who's capable of reading silver please speak up.

Jake remains lynchable except giving newbies a D1 is usually good.

Whatever happened to the J Reggie wagon?  I think I could consider getting on board with that if it became a thing again.

LL has been quiet across the board, so I'm less worried than I would be. Though that excuse isn't helping my efforts to stop townreading him by default.

Deadline is 9pm forum time tonight, so after (sensible) bedtime for most of us this of the Atlantic. (2am tomorrow for us, 3am for the Germans, 4am for the Russians). I may or may not be sensible :-)

I think I wouldn't be unhappy switching to RR from Jake. At least if it's a mislynch, it encourages the newbie more :-) But proper scumhunting would be better.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:22:33 am
I don't have particularly strong reads on anyone.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:23:57 am
So I'm basically willing to lynch anyone but fargo if necessary, weak preference for a few over others.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 06:29:39 am
Okay, read-list time!

1) RR. For the first in a long time I see him being town here (which may be a sign). Though tunneling Jake seems really hard.
2) Silverspawn. and again, for the first in a long time seems scummy. This is a strange feeling, in every game so far I strongly townread him and I never have been mistaken so far. Need to sort it out later, not much content from him.
3) Lalight - I think everything this guy posted was townie so he's 100% townie. Also I like him and his sense of humour.
4) Schadd - As usual, quite a strange guy, though more on the townie side.
5) PPS - null and null, can't read him at all, though don't like his posts.
6) Jake - I'll be /in to lynch him, but not in D1 (i remember myself playing first game and praying not to be lynched).
7) Fargo - hi.
8) Calamitas - seems scummy as usual. Need more content from him, now he's just commenting other players (that's what we're here for I assume though). Slight scum.
9) Spacey - looks townie now but they're dangerous, people, look out!
10) JReggie - looks townie this time, also his wagon was way too fast.
11) Robz - looks like kind townie. will look later.
12) Haddock - nothing really to say. null.
13) McGarnacle - behaves differently from Newbie Mafia, so slightly scummy.

ppe: 3
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 06:49:49 am
Unvote I haven't exactly been getting towny vibes from Jake, but I do think that if he's scum we'll figure it out for sure on D2 or so.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 07:19:42 am
RR - doesn't seem like usual town self good chance of scum here
SS - doesn't seem like usual town or does he? Would lynch.
LL - Seems out of meta somewhat. Would lynch.
Schadd - least want to lynch over self.
PPS - made that commitment so would lynch if forced. Otherwise IC. Confused why not obvtown to everyone.
Jake - seems towny enough. Hope we don't lynch.
Fargo - let's not lynch the IC
Calamities - always scummy, would lynch
SA - too smart for their own good will lynch today
JR - obvscum please lynch
Robz - typical noncommittal D1. Inscrutable. Not contributory so not taking chances. Happy to lynch here.
Haddock - would relish a lynch here
McGrabass - seems quieter than usual probably least informative flip. Would lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 07:35:33 am
PPS what did that accomplish?  :P
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 07:36:04 am
Can I get a Vot Count
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 07:36:37 am
Vote Count why spellcheck why
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 07:37:18 am
Vote Count why spellcheck why
You have 3 votes
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 07:41:29 am
For everyone I ment
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 07:43:42 am
RR - doesn't seem like usual town self good chance of scum here
SS - doesn't seem like usual town or does he? Would lynch.
LL - Seems out of meta somewhat. Would lynch.
Schadd - least want to lynch over self.
PPS - made that commitment so would lynch if forced. Otherwise IC. Confused why not obvtown to everyone.
Jake - seems towny enough. Hope we don't lynch.
Fargo - let's not lynch the IC
Calamities - always scummy, would lynch
SA - too smart for their own good will lynch today
JR - obvscum please lynch
Robz - typical noncommittal D1. Inscrutable. Not contributory so not taking chances. Happy to lynch here.
Haddock - would relish a lynch here
McGrabass - seems quieter than usual probably least informative flip. Would lynch.
Now this is the kinda thing I can get my teeth into.

RR - he never seems like his usual self.  I could lynch him but he's just SO easy to mislynch.
SS - eh.  I always townread silver.  Not making a decision here today.
LL - welp, there's something up with Lalight, I agree.  I get the impression people aren't massively excited about his lynch though.
schadd - interesting, you're townreading him?  I guess I haven't paid that much attention to schadd tbh.  I spose I hadn't really considered him lynchable come to think of it.
PPS - ha.  ha.
Jake - Dont agree that he's particularly towny.  This could be newbie town flailing.  I lean towards it being such.  But it could also be newbie scum flailing - admittedly seems less likely to me.
Fargo - well yep
Calamitas - I'm not scumreading Calamitas.  Then again I'm not sure I've ever actually played a game with Calamitas where I was town before.
SA - Terrible reason to lynch someone.  I'm hedging hard on Space.  They could still well be scum, they're a very good scum player.  Definitely want more days to decide here.
JR - also could lynch.
Robz - want alive because it's Robz, why wouldn't we want to play with Robz 4eva&4eva?
Haddock - you would always relish my lynch.  This isn't news to anyone.  One day you'll wrangle it, worry not old pal.
McGarnacle - agreed about info and also would lynch.  Has McGarnacle been this lurky previously?  Admittedly replacing is hard, but not THAT hard, D1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 07:48:16 am
PPS what did that accomplish?  :P

Confirms I would lynch anywhere, that it is, in fact D1, and that I have some weak reads here and there.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 08:16:52 am
Unofficial Vote Count

Jake (3): SA, silverspawn, LaLight
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
Haddock (1): Calamitas
PPS (1): schadd
RR (1): PPS

Not Voting (4): Jake, McG, Robz, RR

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th. (Or so said the mod last time he posted a vote count).
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 08:21:06 am
Also, in reading back through things, schadd and Calamitas look way too similar, to the extent that I think I'm sometimes reading one as they other. The problem is that I'm a very visual person, and they need pictures.

For C'lamitas, I propose this: https://66.media.tumblr.com/avatar_1b52df9f2fa3_128.png

And for schadd, I propose this: https://thewalrus.ca/assets/img/OwningOurPrivilege-600x450.jpg which I accept makes little sense, but it's kind of a shed, and the domain name amused me for reasons.

Anyway, schadd and Calamitas, please stop being the same person :-)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 08:51:46 am
i really like this
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 08:53:29 am
i might have to crop it though, later
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 08:54:23 am
oh my golly my gosh this is like my new favorite picture
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 08:54:42 am
Here we go:

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.

A lot of would lynches, but at least this tells me something.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 09:36:08 am
Here we go:

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.

A lot of would lynches, but at least this tells me something.
Will respond to everything else later, but bolded part:
a) LOL.  That was a hilarious thing.  I still have no idea how I wrangled that.  faust being SK helped.
b) I WANT THAT SCUM MVP!  Totally could have done it in Rewind.  Or in Switch.  You stole it from me in Fruit Ninja by being epic.  Git.  Alas, not to be this game either.   
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 10:23:37 am
The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 10:46:28 am
The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.
Say what you like about the meltdowns, they do the trick.  #NeverBeenLynchedInANormalGame.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2016, 12:21:59 pm
"Maybe you have never met humans? They are as bad as you might think, smelly, gross, annoying, often wanting to try and kill you. But they do make great test subjects." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.5

Jake (3): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn, LaLight
LaLight (3): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock
Haddock (1): Calamitas
PPS (1): schadd
RR (1): PPS

Not Voting (4): Jake, McGarnacle, RR, Robz

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 02:48:51 pm
Sad to say this, but the day is over in 6 hours if I'm not mistaken? I'm going to sleep soon, so vote: McGarnacle as the scummiest one I think
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 03:00:48 pm
I will be around to hammer at 9pm whatever y'all decide, i mean unless it's RR or JR. I'll be happy to kick either off (already on RR).
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 03:45:44 pm
of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
  lalight: i'm sort of leaning town on him, now, and at the very least i have a point of comparison for him. so, in the long term, i think i'll be better able to figure him out than the others. i guess you could say that his alignment will come to (la)light
  haddock: i guess i don't see it. and apparently, interesting stuff happens once the wagon forms and there isn't enough time to do that.
  pps: i mean, he's still my highest read. his thing is the only thing that has happened so far that strikes me as definitely beneficial as a scum. but, well, people seem to be content to brush that off as a pps thing (be forewarned) and at the very least we can not believe him if he turns back on a hammer.
  rr: he was not very active in ghibli mafia, and it seems like he'll be hard for me to read regardless. i don't think the difference in activity is alignment-indicative (he was busy, and now he's not afaik) but he's been tunneling jake the whole day in a sort of chummy way which seems like a very easy way to not have to worry about lying or saying anything sketchy or whatever. also, well, lynching him will be pretty revealing of jake's alignment i think.


  i think mcgarnacle, robz, and lately ss have been floating under the radar a lot. but, mcgarnacle's situation is a little odd, with the whole switcharoo, and sorta not alignment-indicative (and i would feel weird about lynching for it anyway). still, get in the game. and then the other two, well, i can imagine being tired of D1s after a while. also i think everyone wants them to not die, myself included.


vote: rr
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 03:48:09 pm
of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
  lalight: i'm sort of leaning town on him, now, and at the very least i have a point of comparison for him. so, in the long term, i think i'll be better able to figure him out than the others. i guess you could say that his alignment will come to (la)light
  haddock: i guess i don't see it. and apparently, interesting stuff happens once the wagon forms and there isn't enough time to do that.
  pps: i mean, he's still my highest read. his thing is the only thing that has happened so far that strikes me as definitely beneficial as a scum. but, well, people seem to be content to brush that off as a pps thing (be forewarned) and at the very least we can not believe him if he turns back on a hammer.
  rr: he was not very active in ghibli mafia, and it seems like he'll be hard for me to read regardless. i don't think the difference in activity is alignment-indicative (he was busy, and now he's not afaik) but he's been tunneling jake the whole day in a sort of chummy way which seems like a very easy way to not have to worry about lying or saying anything sketchy or whatever. also, well, lynching him will be pretty revealing of jake's alignment i think.


  i think mcgarnacle, robz, and lately ss have been floating under the radar a lot. but, mcgarnacle's situation is a little odd, with the whole switcharoo, and sorta not alignment-indicative (and i would feel weird about lynching for it anyway). still, get in the game. and then the other two, well, i can imagine being tired of D1s after a while. also i think everyone wants them to not die, myself included.


vote: rr
You forgot me in your analysis
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 03:51:08 pm
Clarification: At first I was 'tunneling' Jake to get him engaged and involved, but then I found his reactions to that scummy. So I kept tunneling him until my confidence sort of waned.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 03:51:28 pm
also note that McG came into the game the moment Scum QT was already closed. it can explain why he is silent

ppe: 1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 03:51:42 pm
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 03:52:36 pm
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 03:53:24 pm
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
I like D1 passes but I don't live and die by them
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 03:57:07 pm
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealistic
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 03:57:23 pm
I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

ppe:1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 03:58:59 pm
if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 03:59:29 pm
my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 03:59:58 pm
but the best case is not to lynch out of us. Let's look onto other guys.

ppe: 1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 04:00:15 pm
my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye bye
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 04:00:20 pm
If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

wrong pool, man. and not only because of me, but because of D1 pass.
Only pool we have due to the current vote count. Everything beyond is unrealistic

Or we could quick-lynch our strongest PR 10 minutes before the deadline without giving them the chance to claim, Sherlock style. But let's not.

I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

ppe:1

You realize you're the other option?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 04:01:22 pm
if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.

Not sure what to think of this.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:01:40 pm
I don't want to lynch Jake D1 even if he's scum.

Sorry, t's just meta. I want him to be satisfied with the game and live to D2 at least.

ppe:1
vote: LaLight then, can do so for yourself if you want to. Lynching someone improves our situation by a large amount, avoiding to lynch anyone is just suboptimal play and reduces towns chance of winning. Playing for the satisfaction of newbies in such a scenario is insane, especially since this isn't a newbie game but a regular one.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 04:01:56 pm
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 04:02:32 pm
I'm sticking with my vote.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:02:50 pm
if the lynchpool is two of us, I agree to be hammered.

Not sure what to think of this.
Pretty alignment unindicative I think. Maybe a little towny.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:03:19 pm
I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 04:05:12 pm
I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?

Let's not let that happen.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:05:33 pm
I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?

Let's not let that happen.
I agree.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:06:34 pm
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

ppe: 2
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:06:52 pm
Will be online for about two hours, deadline is at 2am in my timezone :/
Will lock my vote onto the player with most votes on.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:07:13 pm
I'm sticking with my vote.
And if the alternative is a no lynch?

Let's not let that happen.
I agree.

agreed.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:08:05 pm
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

ppe: 2
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 04:08:44 pm
Yeah LaLight that's not the best idea. Or towniest idea
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:09:29 pm
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

ppe: 2
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.

look. We have time now. I'm gonna sleep in 1-2 hours. I will wait because there IS a probability they will show up.

ppe: 1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:13:36 pm
I don't wanna to be lynched so Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:14:07 pm
I don't wanna to be lynched so Vote: LaLight

nice, thank you, man.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:14:54 pm
Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 04:15:44 pm
Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal
Yeah, with that attitude it will be you or LaLight.  :(
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:16:10 pm
Sorry but it's me or you and I don't want to die nothing personal

This
Is
Not
Me
Or
You
Just
Because
Calamitas
Said
So.

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:17:18 pm
choosing between townie behaviour and polite behaviour
Let me think
I'm good where i am.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:18:25 pm
Like, is everyone just happy to die here?

no, I am not. I just can not understand why if Calamitas said there's 2 options we should listen to this.
vote: Calamitas
I won't change it.
Believe me please and don't lynch me nor Jake.
I'm just trying to be nice. This is all.

ppe: 2
You are being insane. Do you really believe 6 guys are going to show up within <5 hours and will vote me? If you do so, you are pretty confident. The way this game has been going I wouldn't expect that to happen though.

look. We have time now. I'm gonna sleep in 1-2 hours. I will wait because there IS a probability they will show up.

ppe: 1
Did you ever hear something about probability theory? There IS a probability that my neighbour is a secret vampire, though I'm not going to make decisions based on that ;)
The question is whether the probability of me getting lynched is high enough to outweigh the probability that no lynch occurs because your vote has been placed on me instead of a much likelier target.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 04:18:46 pm
also note that McG came into the game the moment Scum QT was already closed. it can explain why he is silent

ppe: 1
i was thinking something along those lines, too. but that seems like something with a large chance of being wrong, and also, well, if it isn't, then i would rather uh give him a chance to talk to his friendos


So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
uh, i would say lynch with impunity (more or less) is worse than no lynch. that said, not voting is pretty much inexcusable


You forgot me in your analysis
yeah. you're kinda town (short and dense posts), sa is kinda town (a slightly more confident version of ghibli), j reggie is uh null, same situation as lalight for me


ppe: 24
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:19:43 pm
I might change my vote though because I'll be active until end of D-1 so if someone appears scum then I'll vote for them instead
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2016, 04:20:06 pm
"Do hear that? That's the sound of the neurotoxin emitters emitting neurotoxin." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.6

Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (5): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, Calamitas, Jake {L-2}
RR (2): PPS, schadd
Calamitas (1): LaLight

Not Voting (3): McGarnacle, RR, Robz

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:21:32 pm
Lynching someone is better than no lynch, even if the final votes aren't going to give that much info. We get a flip, can analyse attacks based on that etc. And we have a chance to actually hit scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:23:32 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:24:06 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:25:16 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.

Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 04:30:47 pm
my confidence sort of waned.


I was questioning my vote but now I'm not. To me, you've sealed your fate.
I know. My confidence waned. Went away. Bye bye
oh, no, i understood you. understanding what people say isn't the big thing in mafia. if you had a true, personal scumread on someone like you said you did, i would think that's a pretty big deal.


don't cite 'calamitas said we had to' as a reason to vote. lynching someone while less than everyone is voting would be dumb, and we still have a bit of time. if you agree with lynch for the sake of a lynch, at least wait a couple hours
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:35:33 pm
The thing is a couple of hours might be too late since a good portion of us is living in Europe. Silver, LaLight, Space, Haddock and I do certainly, don't know too much about the others.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:37:40 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:38:11 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 04:39:56 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:40:33 pm
I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town

Actually if i was scum i would be silent and lurky. But i try to help town here, I try to say things for you so you will choose someone who is scum, and it's not me.
I'm town because I try to influence the game, to help.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 04:42:05 pm
The thing is a couple of hours might be too late since a good portion of us is living in Europe. Silver, LaLight, Space, Haddock and I do certainly, don't know too much about the others.
i mean, you are all voting already. but i guess there isn't a way to lynch someone while everyone can do something about it, and i can't tell people not to sleep ofc
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:44:41 pm
Just testing if this is working again.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:46:03 pm
I think your town so for nowUnVote: LaLight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 04:47:16 pm
But that does not excuse you from my suspicion that you are scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:47:54 pm
@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:49:45 pm
@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 04:50:08 pm
But that does not excuse you from my suspicion that you are scum
what
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 04:53:43 pm
@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 04:56:27 pm
@LaLight: Being active/helpful isn't alignment indicative. Playing similar to town is the most important part of scum play and lurking wouldn't fit your town meta at all. So I'm pretty sure you would play like that with either alignment.

But I'd be lurker from the start for first.
For second I could just go to sleep (or just shut up pretending I go to sleep)
But now I try to help. I really-really try. No one is just active here.
But i see that behavior coming from scum!LaLight just as well as town!LaLight (maybe a little more in case of the former, but not to a significant extent). What I don't like about your play here is the flip-floppiness on Jake.

this is not a flip-floppiness.
I try to be both townie and nice. I was into latter, but then I thought that this is a game after all, and Jake is /in in another game already so I can vote him and be townie.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:00:08 pm
You just said you try to act townie. Do you really expect us you would do any different as scum (e.g. lurking)?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 05:03:03 pm
You just said you try to act townie. Do you really expect us you would do any different as scum (e.g. lurking)?

Okay. Prove my towniness to you becomes a part of my meta, we're like cop-partners :)
To the case: the only huge proof is claiming my role.
The other things that I do is try to prove this by words. You can always not believe me. But you can believe. I'm not a scum here
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:05:23 pm
Vote: Calamitas

I like this lynch the best, didn't like his recent behavior and very much think LaLight is town now. Though will have to change if there's no time. Need to do a bit of re-reading, will post more in a minute.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 05:09:06 pm
Vote: Calamitas

I like this lynch the best, didn't like his recent behavior and very much think LaLight is town now. Though will have to change if there's no time. Need to do a bit of re-reading, will post more in a minute.

God you changed the avatar. It's nice!
Thanks for supporting. I appreciate this.
vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 05:12:45 pm
sure.


vote: calamitas

i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 05:14:16 pm
Ok Vote: calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:16:01 pm
request vote count
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 05:18:20 pm
that's 5 votes on you i think. again, i would advise against a hammer until the last minute
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:20:52 pm
Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 05:22:25 pm
Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.
welcome to the pps and rr tier
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:23:24 pm
So, basically Calamitas has sort of been kind of active, really, but not said anything that really stuck to me. And it looks to me like he was trying to keep Jake open as a possible despite him forgetting the IC.

forgetting who the IC is is pretty towny
I think that's a myth.

PPS: Oh wow, y'all really like that one. Okay!
Why so?
Because it is too gameable I would guess.

unvote: Jake

I think a newbie town player is much more likely to forget who the IC is than a newbie scum player.
Not to rip into Jake but I don't think he knew Fargo was an IC in the first place  :P

Agreed. Think scum would have tho.
Not necessarily, the IC was only named after N0 and the post wasn't that clear. Could easily see a newbie don't getting it, totally independent from alignment.

I also did not like this post, in which he deflects his admittedly scummy behavior (self-awareness is scummy), says we shouldn't be picky about the lynch, and then confines us to just two choices.

If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:24:25 pm
Dependent on the situation, I'm going to vote myself when I go to bed. And don't treat that as particular scummy or towny, I probably would have said that with either alignment.

Why? Would you vote for yourself? And why do you say not to read too much into that?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:26:31 pm
If fargo were not the IC I would absolutely demand his lynch. We want to lynch like this: obvscum > lurkers > newbies > veterans > obvtown > IC
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 05:26:54 pm
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 05:28:14 pm
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

What?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 05:28:56 pm
calamitas's behavior
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:29:07 pm
I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

What?

I think he means calamitas' threat.

I'm a newbie but that seems very scummie behavior

I would say that frustrated self-voting is townie at least as often as it is scummy, but for that reason it's easily gamed and we don't want to reward foolish behavior.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 05:33:25 pm
What time does the final vote have to be in. is it 9 or before that
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
yeah, i would think that it's a scummyish thing for the same reason i thought so with pps: scum has more discretion than town
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:34:14 pm
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:36:31 pm
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:37:44 pm
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
Yep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 05:47:47 pm
You sound way too okay with your own death. Town usually flays wildly. This is something else. Which makes me more okay with this wagon.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 05:48:57 pm
I'm inclined to agree with Robz here
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2016, 05:49:40 pm
"Very impressive! Because this message is prerecorded, any comments we may make about your success are speculation on our part. Please disregard any undeserved compliments." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 1.7

Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (4): Fargo, J Reggie, Haddock, Calamitas
RR (1): PPS
Calamitas (4): Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake

Not Voting (2): McGarnacle, RR

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Thursday, October 20th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 05:50:42 pm
First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.

I would say that No Lynch is indeed terrible, but from your own perspective it's not worse than you getting lynched, since you know you're town.
Yep, but my death gives town info nevertheless and reduces the chance that I'm getting misslynched later during the game to zero. From a town perspective, the utility is still positive I think.
You sound like a scum when found out conceding to their death
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 05:53:42 pm
You sound way too okay with your own death. Town usually flays wildly. This is something else. Which makes me more okay with this wagon.
Look at D1 of RMM35 if you don't believe me. JReggie and I  had the same number of lynches on us. Reggie claimed deathproof and the consense was that he actually is alignment unindicative. So I tried yo get a self hammer in, didn't manage to do it because of a connection lag and made pretty much the same argument. But again, I would have done this here with either alignment I think.

I don't regard my death as significantly worse than another townies death and since I think lynching non-publicly confirmed town over no one, going for myself if no other options are likely is only consequent. No need to flail here since we are that close to deadline.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 06:22:54 pm
I'm here!  Not for long, cos bed.  Sorry. :(  unvote to start with, Lalight looking much better of late I think.
Sorry not to tell people I would be missing so much of this.

oh my golly my gosh this is like my new favorite picture
Ugh.  Don't like this stuff from schadd.  Reads like forced humour.

Roadrunner7671 I'm not lynching RR D1 again unless he scumslips hard or something.
silverspawn not much useful content. A good D1 lynch.
LaLight something made me think he was scum. I think he feels a lot like he did in ghibli.
schadd hard to read as always. Maybe more likely to be scum, but I don't have any completed games with him where I was town.
pingpongsam more likely town because of his stunt, but he hasn't had to "prove his commitment" yet.
JaketheBaseballGod22 weird and hard to read. Another good reason not to lynch newbies D1 besides not getting the hang of things is because one has no idea how to read them
Fargo if it was every right to lynch an IC it would be Fargo. But I won't go that far (see what I did there?)
mail-mi the mod. Wouldn't lynch.
Calamitas can't find anything of note from him. Would lynch.
SpaceAnenome scary as scum. Would lynch if the opportunity presented itself. Although maybe they'll follow my pattern and be extremely good in their first scum game and fall apart after that.
J Reggie IC. Wouldn't lynch.
Robz888 nearly nothing useful, which is a shame. I was looking forward to playing with Robz.
Haddock a good player. He out-towned me after being conf!scum. Would Lynch.
McGarnacle nothing of note. Seems different from NM so quite possibly scum. He's flying under the radar more. But then again he did nearly get lynched D1 there so he has a reason to try something different. Not sure.
RR - agree
silver - hurr.  Without a case, lynching silver D1 seems meh.  He's too good a town player.
Lalight - increasingly disagreeing of late
schadd - sure.  Don't disagree
PPS - OK.
Jake - 100% agree with this
Calamitas - yep.
Space - Ok sure, that's not really a position but Space is not a good lynch for today, anyway.
Robz - Burn.  Disagree.
Haddock - dealt with this already
McGarnacle - Definitely with you on that.  McGarnacle edging towards the top of my scumreads.

If we don't reach a majority, we will lose a lynch. Therefore we shouldn't be really picky with our lynch, as scummy as that may sound. I'm willing to go anywhere, but I have a weak preference of Jake over LaLight. So I will vote: Jake . It doesn't make sense to widen the lynchpool more since it is unlikely that we find enough votes to lynch someone that is not in {Jake, LaLight}. So please restrict yourself to that pool, no lynch would be the worst thing to happen.

Ewwwwww.

Yeah LaLight that's not the best idea. Or towniest idea
Very forced.  Man I so want to lynch RR here.

I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Really not.  Noone actually expected Lalight to mean that, he was just making a point. Opportunistic from Calamitas.

I am not scum.
Whatever.
Will kill the nice side of me.
vote: Jake
Sad.
That's a huge turn, before you even preferred lynching yourself.
Whatever, man.
It's a game after all, not psychologically social training
If your not scum give us your case of why we should not lynch you
Prove that you are town
Welcome back, Awaclus.

sure.


vote: calamitas

i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)
Nyerf.  Don't like this much at all.

First of all, forgetting the IC doesn't mean much here in case of a newbie. It hasn't been declared before D1 so scum will not have discussed it (I am neglecting the chance of having a day chat here).

And I do actually think that having a no lynch D1 is worse than having a townie lynched. So I would be willing to get myself lynched over having a no lynch. Though I obviously prefer other outcomes since I have a chance of hitting scum there, I don't view my own death as a more negative utility than having a no lynch. And since I know I would think that as town and have expressed it as town before I would probably pull that as scum anyways because it comes closest to my town behavior. That's why you shouldn't read much into it except that I am, if the situation requires it, willing to go to bed with a vote on me.
This could actually legit come from a towny I think.  It's a weird extension of a common belief.  Feels right. Some rare townpoints here.


tl;dr
OK, so I'm totally fine with a Calamitas lynch.  Right now my top scumreads are something like:
RR  >  McGarnacle = schadd > Calamitas > Reggie

But I don't actually want to lynch RR because he's too easy to mislynch. 

McGarnacle and schadd I'd prefer to Calamitas, but don't see that happening.

vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 06:26:46 pm
L-2
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 06:28:40 pm
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 06:29:50 pm
Oh right there's PPS. Well I don't think we need to give calamitas the chance to claim. Maybe if he's the cop, but otherwise a claim gives him a 50% chance of being scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 06:30:06 pm
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.

erm what? Me/Calamitas team? strange here.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:31:33 pm
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 06:32:04 pm
I would like a Vote Count on calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:32:38 pm
It's 6.

Does anyone know where pps is from?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 20, 2016, 06:33:31 pm
J Reggie that is very possible
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:33:40 pm
@Haddock Do you know whether SA will get online before deadline?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 06:33:54 pm
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.

Because not knowing if scum has daychat is like the most classic townslip there is.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:35:23 pm
The daychat thinglooks like a faked townslip. vote: calamitas. L-1. Calling a calamitas-lalight-? team.
Why should that be a faked townslip? It is a possibility which I neglected there to make my point.

Because not knowing if scum has daychat is like the most classic townslip there is.
What the hell? I'm not knowing it and I said I'm going to neglect the probabilty since there is one. Again, would have done that as either town or scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:37:07 pm
I assume you are not really willing to change your mind, in that case I'm going to hammer. Risking a no lynch isn't worth the potential benefit of not doing it then.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 20, 2016, 06:37:35 pm
I assume you are not really willing to change your mind, in that case I'm going to hammer. Risking a no lynch isn't worth the potential benefit of not doing it then.

fine with me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 06:43:42 pm
I'm here now and catching up. Sorry, I had stuff on this evening. Should be awake for another hour if necessary, and can hammer if it's looking like a good option, but want o read/think/consume more tea first.

PPS runs on forum time, so should also be awake at least.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:46:18 pm
Good night guys, SA is here to handle so I don't need to self hammer.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:48:11 pm
Since I'm probably dying anyway, my reads:
Best scum read is Haddock by now, he just feels like the scum!Haddock I have seen before. I don't know his town play and whether there is discrepancy now. Cannot share much more, except that I didn't like LaLights behaving in the case of Jake. Felt kind of opportunistic since he made basically a U-turn within a few posts.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 06:53:57 pm
Claim!!!!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 06:55:10 pm
Claim!!!!

Why?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Calamitas on October 20, 2016, 06:55:58 pm
Claim!!!!
Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 06:56:10 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 06:56:42 pm
Claim!!!!
Vt obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have estimated the utility of my life that low :D
That's what I assumed but sometimes people give up even as PRs
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 06:59:38 pm
Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 06:59:54 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Haddock on October 20, 2016, 07:01:25 pm
Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.

I happen to think calamitas is in the first category hence that particular thing is null.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 07:03:28 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.

I read that, but didn't actually feel convinced by it. If we lynch someone who flips as one of the "extra" scum, why is it worth the corresponding PR claiming, when that just makes them an NK target?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 07:04:41 pm
Okay, have re-read a bit, and Calamitas doesn't seem like the worst candidate ever. I really don't get what that little day-chat blow-up was about... can someone fill me in on why it would be an alignment-indicative caveat for him to have made either way?
It's dependent on personality. Some people feel inclined to take into account such edge cases always. Others would only cover such an edge case if they were trying to look like they didn't know the setup when in fact they do.

I happen to think calamitas is in the first category hence that particular thing is null.

Yeah, I agree with that.

What do you think about JR's claiming advice from way back early in the game?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 07:09:28 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 07:13:58 pm
Vote: Calmitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 07:14:17 pm
Vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 07:15:40 pm
Heck
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: SpaceAnemone on October 20, 2016, 07:18:17 pm
Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 07:32:05 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?

It's worse. In the latter scenario, we force the scum to spend a night kill on the cop, at least.  Doing it for them essentially saves them a needed move.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 20, 2016, 07:35:14 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.
I didn't read it, no. But if Calamitas was a cop and he didn't claim and we lynched him, how could that be worse than him claiming and getting killed tonight?

It's worse. In the latter scenario, we force the scum to spend a night kill on the cop, at least.  Doing it for them essentially saves them a needed move.
I know, that's the point. J Reggie is incorrect, claiming in this setup is not actively bad for town
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 20, 2016, 07:35:49 pm
FWIW, I think Calamitas is more likely to claim some power there if he's scum--at least, that was pretty standard in my day. What does he have to lose? He might out a town PR if someone is forced to counterclaim.

He didn't, which makes me pretty uneasy about this lynch... but at least we are only lynching a VT, and have protected our town PRs. And I suppose it would have been impossible to get another lynch anyway.

So... flip!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 07:36:41 pm
So that Calamitas at least has a chance to not die depending on said claim!

But did you not read what I wrote about claiming in this setup? It's like actively bad for town.

I read that, but didn't actually feel convinced by it. If we lynch someone who flips as one of the "extra" scum, why is it worth the corresponding PR claiming, when that just makes them an NK target?

What I'm saying is people should not claim if a) they don't have results and b) the corresponding scum PR hasn't flipped. Of neither of those things are true, don't claim even at L-1. Unless you're the cop because there's always a cop.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: J Reggie on October 20, 2016, 07:37:42 pm
FWIW, I think Calamitas is more likely to claim some power there if he's scum--at least, that was pretty standard in my day. What does he have to lose? He might out a town PR if someone is forced to counterclaim.

He didn't, which makes me pretty uneasy about this lynch... but at least we are only lynching a VT, and have protected our town PRs. And I suppose it would have been impossible to get another lynch anyway.

So... flip!

I think it's become increasingly common for scum to claim VT.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: pingpongsam on October 20, 2016, 07:43:02 pm
Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...

Once you start collecting, well, you gotta collect them all.

Somewhere we used to keep track of them and ashersky and I were neck and neck.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2016, 07:43:10 pm
"Please note that we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an 'unsatisfactory' mark on your official testing record followed by death. Good luck!" - GLaDOS

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Jake (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
LaLight (2): Fargo, Calamitas
Calamitas (7): Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS

Not Voting (2): McGarnacle, RR

With 13 alive it took 7 to lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 07:44:24 pm
kinda confident about cal
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 20, 2016, 07:45:45 pm
or, well, i haven't changed my mind at all
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2016, 07:45:56 pm
Flavor goes here, or something like that.  Neurotoxins

Calamitas has been lynched!

They were a Vanilla Core!

Night 1 begins now and ends Saturday between 8 am and 8 pm.  Night actions are due Saturday, 7 am

THREAD LOCKED!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 22, 2016, 01:50:21 pm
I apologize that I was absent last night. I had to clean up the broken wing that was made entirely of glass. 15 acres of broken glass, that I had to clean up myself.

But no, I didn't need any help, thanks for asking.


SpaceAnemone has been killed! They were Rick, the Adventure Sphere!

Day 2 begins now and ends on November 1st at 2:00 PM FT.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 22, 2016, 01:52:55 pm
"Sorry about the mess. I've really let the place go since you killed me. By the way, thanks for that." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (11): RR, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, PPS, Jake, Fargo, J Reggie, Robz, Haddock, McGarnacle

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 2:00 PM FT on November 1st.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 01:57:47 pm
Hmm...

Well, here's something.

Currently living players voting for someone other than the lynch: Silverspawn
Voted for no one: McGarnacle, RR
Wagon: Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS

How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 02:20:14 pm
What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?

That's the flavor name for the Tracker. So we know there's a Tracker. Consequently, we know there's a 1-shot Ninja.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 22, 2016, 02:28:01 pm
Do we know how many scum are in the setup?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 22, 2016, 02:28:23 pm
What's and adventure sphere and what do they do?

That's the flavor name for the Tracker. So we know there's a Tracker. Consequently, we know there's a 1-shot Ninja.

What does this mean. Sry, still kind of a mafia noob.
Title: Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open!)
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 02:30:15 pm
Um, you didn't read this yet? That's not a good sign.

WIFOM is a Semi-Open Original setup for 13 players. It's designed to eliminate towncred given to players who claim power roles and to show how WIFOM (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM) can be a powerful tool for both Town and Scum.

The "base" setup is as follows:

Quote

3 Mafia:
Anger Core (Goon)
Turret (Goon)
Cave Johnson (1-shot Psychotrooper)

10 Town:
Chell (1-shot Commuting Innocent Child)
Curiosity Core (3-shot Alignment Cop)
8 Vanilla Cores (Vanilla Townies)

Pregame, 0-5 Modifications will be made to the above setup. Each Modification has a 50% chance of being present. They will alter the setup by adding more power roles to both the Town and the Mafia:

Modification 1:

Anger Core -> 2-shot Roleblocker
Vanilla Townie -> Intelligence Core (Doctor)


Modification 2:

Anger Core -> Flavor Cop
Vanilla Townie -> Wheatley (Roleblocker)


Modification 3:

Turret -> 2-shot Rolestopper
Vanilla Townie -> Doug Rattmann (Watcher)


Modification 4:
Turret -> 1-shot Ninja
Vanilla Townie -> Rick, the Adventure Core (Tracker)


Modification 5:
Cave Johnson -> Cop Enabler
Vanilla Townie -> Space Core (Universal Backup)


Here's what the setup looks like when ALL the Modifications are present:
Quote
3 Mafia:
Anger Core: Flavor Copping 2-shot Roleblocker
Turret: 2-shot Rolestopping 1-shot Ninja
Cave Johnson: Cop Enabling 1-shot Psychotrooper

10 Town:
Chell: 1-shot Commuting Innocent Child
Curiosity Core: 3-shot Alignment Cop
Rick, the Adventure Sphere: Tracker
Doug Rattmann: Watcher
Intelligence Core: Doctor
Wheatley: Roleblocker
Space Core: Universal Backup
3 Vanilla Cores

Mechanics:

- When players die, only their Flavor Name and Alignment will be revealed.
- Mafia cannot complete the factional kill and use a power in the same night.
- Rolestopping resolves before Town!Roleblocking which resolves before Mafia!Roleblocking

Role Clarifications:
- 1-shot Psychotrooper is an Active power. The night they choose to use it, the Alignment Cop will get the opposite result for their investigation (Scum instead of Town and Town instead of Scum).
- Investigative powers receive "No Result" if their action was blocked in any way.
- When the Cop Enabler dies, all Alignment Cop Investigations return "No Result"
- Flavor Cop is told their target's Flavor Name. If both are present, it is used in conjuction with Roleblocking. However, the Anger Core does not have to Roleblock when they Flavor Cop, and they can still Flavor Cop when out of Roleblocking shots.
- Ninja can be used to modify the user's Factional Kill or Rolestopping
- Rolestopping doesn't stop Kills
- The Universal Backup inherit the first Town Power Role that dies. A Town PR with 0-shots left (if they are an X-shot Role) does not count for UB inheritance. The Innocent Child's 1-shot Commuter can be inherited by the UB.

Here is the Vanilla Core PM:

Quote
(http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/9/91/Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png/250px-Corrupt_core_neutral_clean.png)

Remember before when I was talking about smelly garbage standing around being useless? That was a metaphor. I was actually talking about you.

You are a Vanilla Core. You are a useless piece of whirring machinery that can't actually do anything, including be killed by my neurotoxin. I'm frankly surprised you can even speak.

Please /confirm by replying to this message.

Town Wincon: You win once all the mafia are dead.
Mafia Wincon: You win once the mafia controls half the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 22, 2016, 02:31:05 pm

How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 02:38:29 pm
What does the tracker do exactly
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 22, 2016, 02:39:36 pm
What does the tracker do exactly
google it bub


and also, ofc, it doesn't matter at this point
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 02:42:02 pm
Dang that's not a good loss
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 02:45:16 pm
Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 02:46:18 pm
So, I mean, if am to believe McGarnacle and Jake's complete lack of familiarity with the setup, they are both town. McGarnacle's seems pretty genuine, Jake's I suppose could be feigned. Any other expert opinion? I am admittedly a sucker for acquitting people via this kind of thinking.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 22, 2016, 03:07:31 pm
what difference do you see between jake's and mcgarnacle's?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 03:08:27 pm
what difference do you see between jake's and mcgarnacle's?

I... don't know. Looking again, they don't seem as different.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 03:21:58 pm
vote: jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 03:43:01 pm
vote: jake

Reason?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 22, 2016, 03:44:35 pm
vote: jake

Reason?
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to something
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 03:48:15 pm
vote: jake

Reason?
hey, that's my favorite device for reaching a solution to something

It's also the name of the magazine that employs me.  ;D

Seriously, though. What made you vote for jake?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
I don't think he has one he just doesn't like
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 03:53:27 pm
Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 03:56:11 pm
Also I just listened to Still Alive for the first time and now I want to hear Wayne Coyne singing it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 22, 2016, 03:56:33 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 03:57:47 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 22, 2016, 03:58:32 pm
i think that being on wagon is also pretty good
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 03:59:24 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 22, 2016, 04:00:02 pm
Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.

There is no way that doctor is as good as a cop, not even with an IC and the cop being 3-shot and the psycho shot thing going on.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 04:00:34 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 04:00:45 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 04:02:09 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.

Why does it seem bad? It seems like a great idea to me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 04:02:35 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.

What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 22, 2016, 04:02:50 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

I actually completely missed the EoD

I think the setup confusion is worth town points, but not too many. Scum can and might fabricate it. It just works too often.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 22, 2016, 04:03:39 pm
What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

Robz comes from a better world. When he used to play, not reading the setup wasn't a thing.

We should go back to those times.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 04:03:59 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

That seems like a bad reason to vote Silverspawn.

Why does it seem bad? It seems like a great idea to me.

Because ss wasn't around at the deadline as far as I can tell. There's no reason he would have been on the wagon. Also by your logic, that makes scum always want to be on the wagon.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 04:04:20 pm
Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.

Wait, reading the setup is scummy and not reading the setup is scummy?

I don't believe someone who has already played before wouldn't have read the setup by now, so it's scummy in that case.

A true newb not reading it is different.

What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

PPS and Seprix are known for deliberately not knowing what the setup is, on Day 2? Really? Is that even the case? I mean, that's just really bad play in that case, I guess?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 22, 2016, 04:14:53 pm
Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?
It's much more likely just coincidence.

okay, time to put down a vote: Lalight.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 04:17:38 pm
I'm finding McG, Silverspawn, and RR pretty scummy right now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 04:37:27 pm
RR explained the setup to me when I had questions before the game started so he read it
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 04:40:30 pm
Guys, i'm sorry i just have smth to say, but veru busy right now. Answer then.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 05:14:13 pm
So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 05:15:11 pm
Maybe the third one is Robz. That would be an awesome setup.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 05:23:19 pm
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 05:30:41 pm
LaLight why have you been tunneling me all game?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 05:34:36 pm
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle

This seems a little against the rules...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 05:39:04 pm
What is
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 05:39:30 pm
We didn't talk about the game I was just bored
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 05:41:08 pm
I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle

This seems a little against the rules...

This is absolutely against the rules. You can't discuss the game with people IRL! Like, that's a very serious breach of decorum.

You also shouldn't claim VT without any reason to do so (if you're town). It helps the scum focus on other people who might be PRs.

Very bad play, dude.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 22, 2016, 05:42:49 pm
About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 05:44:11 pm
I already claimed D-1 when I had 6 votes on me and we didn't discuss the game u would know that if u read my posts
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 05:46:34 pm
I already claimed D-1 when I had 6 votes on me and we didn't discuss the game u would know that if u read my posts
You're right, I missed that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 06:05:20 pm
So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.

The thing is, I don't consider you too newbie or too very, and yet you thought of this. So it doesn't really prove anything. Actually, vote: lalight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 06:06:09 pm
So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.

The thing is, I don't consider you too newbie or too vet, and yet you thought of this. So it doesn't really prove anything. Actually, vote: lalight

Ftfm
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 22, 2016, 06:16:40 pm
Sorry, I should have read the setup, but I'm II's replacement and I was not paying attention to the game before now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 06:20:45 pm
Sorry, I should have read the setup, but I'm II's replacement and I was not paying attention to the game before now.

Oh, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 06:26:20 pm
LaLight why have you been tunneling me all game?

Well, I'm not, actually.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 06:27:09 pm
About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.

Why? Whyyyyy? What've I done wrong here?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 06:34:26 pm
Vote: LaLight for tunneling me
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 06:36:18 pm
Lalight's play feels a lot like it did in ghibli.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 06:36:42 pm
Vote: LaLight for tunneling me

Give me proof. I voted for you once, twice maximum and did everything to save you D1, voted Calamitas for example.

What do you mean saying the word "Tunneling"?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 06:37:06 pm
Lalight's play feels a lot like it did in ghibli.

There's the difference. I'm not the scum here!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 06:46:48 pm
Vote: LaLight for tunneling me

Give me proof. I voted for you once, twice maximum and did everything to save you D1, voted Calamitas for example.

What do you mean saying the word "Tunneling"?

Yeah, I'm not sure if Jake knows what tunneling means. You definitely did not tunnel him. In fact, I can see the two of you being scum partners.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 22, 2016, 08:20:04 pm
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 22, 2016, 08:29:43 pm
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 22, 2016, 08:40:40 pm
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 08:50:16 pm
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.
We need Fargo to do something. We don't want the IC to get modkilled.

True
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 22, 2016, 08:58:00 pm
Why is the IC so important?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 22, 2016, 08:58:57 pm
Why is the IC so important?

It's an opinion we can trust--we know the person giving it isn't trying to mislead us.

But really, it's bad to have any player as checked out as Fargo is.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 22, 2016, 09:05:50 pm
Hey
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 22, 2016, 10:36:07 pm
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 06:19:30 am
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 09:05:09 am
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all

See, that's not good. Now that you've admitted you think being helpful is scummy, you not being helpful means nothing.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2016, 10:01:08 am
Have to break this post in two.  Apparently it's too long.  Or something.  It's weird.

Hmm...

Well, here's something.

Currently living players voting for someone other than the lynch: Silverspawn
Voted for no one: McGarnacle, RR
Wagon: Robz, LaLight, schadd, Jake, Haddock, J Reggie, PPS

How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.
My feeling is 2 on, 1 off.  you mentioned (in a later post) a scumread on silver, any case behind that?  I always always townread him but I'll try to be as open minded as possible if someone presents a case.



How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Hedgy and overexplained.  I do not like this post.

Dang that's not a good loss

Yeah, although this set up makes Tracking/Watching less useful because their inclusion results in scum that are specifically powered to confuse them. The biggest loss in this setup would probably be a Doctor, then an Alignment Cop, then any other PR.
Townread on Robz from this and posts like it.

Is there something about SpaceAnemone that makes it easy for scum to PR read them? Like weren't they killed N1 as a PR in a recent game?
Coincidence.  I'm surprised scum killed them to be honest, given SA's recent scum performance it seemed likely that town would be frightened of lategame!SA.  Anyhoo.

Vote: Robz8

I mean I started the post to vote LL but ending up here anyway.

The gist being Jake is too new to feign. McGarden isn't but it still looks genuine. At any rate testing the waters and bringing up the ole FOS are the scum techniques that should surface here.

But I guess I'll just Vote: silverspawn instead because he was off wagon which is the best place to be D1 when your scum.

Wait a minute, this ISNT McGarnacle's first game? And he didn't bother to read the setup? That seems way more scummy to me actually, then.
Yeah, the lack of setup reading is become a thing recently.  Pisses me off, but it's increasingly a thing, not necessarily alignment-indicative.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2016, 10:02:43 am
Quote
What about PPS not reading it or RR or Seprix. Like they're known for not reading the setup. Does that make them always scummy?

PPS and Seprix are known for deliberately not knowing what the setup is, on Day 2? Really? Is that even the case? I mean, that's just really bad play in that case, I guess?
My instinct is to make a snide comment about Seprix's ability here, but that's just bitterness from Rewind.

I'm finding McG, Silverspawn, and RR pretty scummy right now.
This is the post I mentioned earlier.  I can see scumreads on RR and McG, but I'd love to see reasons for silver.


So.

Thing is: scums are iether too newbie or too vet. Pros:
They're too newbie
1) They do not know they should kill IC.
2) They killed the person they wanted. But SA was the one who is to be suspected right here and now cause it's hard to predict them. That was a silly kill.

They're vet
1) They knew IC will commute and saw some breadcrumbs from SA so they knew they is a Tracker. I'm not able right now to check this actually.

I'm really inclined to suspect that scums are newbies: Jake, McGarnacle, ???. Of these two I suspect Jake from the first day, he was behaving scummy. McGarnacle too. I didn't want to lynch Jake D1, I explained that. Now's the time.
This does not endear Lalight to me.  It's not a good argument, it ties down lynch options for no good reason, and it just doesn't seem like it comes from a town point of view.

I am inclined to think McGarnacle is scum because I had nothing against SA whereas he did and ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1 Vote: McGarnacle
Ewwwwwwwwwww.

About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.

Why? Whyyyyy? What've I done wrong here?
Vibes mostly, it's hard for me to pin down an actual case except to point out odd posts like the one above.  Schadd's not made too many such posts D2, but was scummy D1.
Plus the interactions between the three of you feel right.  I mostly wanted to have this down cos if I'm right it would be freaking awesome.

vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all
It is not good at all that you are making this argument as a defense.  If you're town, the protownness of being helpful more than cancels out the negative utility of you maybe being scumread for it.   And the fact that you're saying this implies that you've thought about it and are being intentionally not helpful.  Scummy.

Right now Lalight and Jake are my top scumreads.
vote: Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 10:08:37 am
vote: Jake

He seems to be really attacking LaLight, but then again LaLight also feels a bit different this game.

how different?

You seem less helpful and more defensive.

That is true. Reason is that being helpful is scummy, is all

See, that's not good. Now that you've admitted you think being helpful is scummy, you not being helpful means nothing.

I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2016, 10:12:44 am
I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
Doesn't matter.  The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much.  It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 10:22:06 am
I don't think being helpful is scummy. Everybody thinks being helpful is scummy so I gave up doing this.
Doesn't matter.  The point is that you're prioritising how you look too much.  It's fine for town to try to look towny, but not at the expense of protown play.

Well, yeah. as I highlighted in one of my gaves (it was rmm35 i think) I do everything to shorten a lynchpool and so people don't think I'm scum and find real scum. That's the point of my messges. And also I practically sure in Jake and McG so this is it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 11:25:10 am
Certainty is scummy above all.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 11:28:25 am
Certainty is scummy above all.

Are you certain about that?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 11:33:37 am
Re: Haddock's post... I guess I don't really have that much of a scum read on silverspawn, he's just the *only* person occupying a space I often find scum: comfortably voting for someone who didn't get lynched. And he's a vet and I kinda expect more from him but he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of consequence.

I see what you are saying about Jake and LaLight, but I think McG and RR are scummier, for me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 11:35:21 am
Also, schadd (and I think) J Reg have generated almost zero attention so far, which I always find incriminating.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 11:35:43 am
Re: Haddock's post... I guess I don't really have that much of a scum read on silverspawn, he's just the *only* person occupying a space I often find scum: comfortably voting for someone who didn't get lynched. And he's a vet and I kinda expect more from him but he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of consequence.

I see what you are saying about Jake and LaLight, but I think McG and RR are scummier, for me.

Ehh... okay, actually I keep going back and forth on Jake v. McG.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 11:42:57 am
Okay, re-read Jake and McG. Sorry I kept confusing myself. McG reads like newb townie, Jake reads like scum pretending to be newb townie.

Vote: Jake

Got some confidence in this, actually.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 11:46:21 am
so, if I'm not mistaken we have 4 votes on Jake, 3 on me and 1 on Silver.
Can we see a vote count please?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 23, 2016, 12:30:21 pm
I'm in a downphase when it comes to mafia. Everyone who's been around should be able to bear witness to that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 23, 2016, 03:47:08 pm
"Sorry about the mess. I've really let the place go since you killed me. By the way, thanks for that." - GLaDOS

Vote Count 2.1

Jake (4): LaLight, McGarnacle, Haddock, Robz
silverspawn (1): PPS
LaLight (3): silverspawn, J Reggie, Jake

Not Voting (3): RR, schadd, Fargo

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 2:00 PM FT on November 1st.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 03:55:43 pm
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 03:56:21 pm
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
FTFM
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2016, 03:58:59 pm
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.
If we're thinking that (which I'm not sure I disagree with, tbh - though I still think Lalight and Jake match up as partners well), I prefer Jake to Lalight. 
I also had a thought (don't know if I mentioned) that I feel like at most one of Reggie and Lalight is scum.  Their interactions are very unpartnery.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:11:10 pm
I have a question why is it that everything that I say taken and put as words that a scum would say by some else (usually lalight but also others) For example I could say that puppies are awesome and someone else would say that puppies are scum so therefore I must be scum. That doesn't make any sense. Everything I say is imeditaly put as scum words and I don't understand why. Can some one please explain it to me
 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 04:17:50 pm
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.

Yeah, I don't know about LaLight. But I really do think Jake is scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:19:17 pm
Jake and LL were not big ticket items yesterday. So, either we're sure we just barely missed cornering 2 scum yesterday (unlikely) or they are at least one scape goat scum wants to lead to slaughter.

Yeah, I don't know about LaLight. But I really do think Jake is scum.
Why? No one is backing up their accusations with anything
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:20:57 pm
With anything other than he said some scummy things. LIKE WHAT!!!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:25:14 pm
This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 04:35:27 pm
This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit

The biggest thing working against you, actually, is that you are still alive today. We scrutinized you Day 1, and I for one afforded you likely town status. That makes you a great night kill for scum... scum want to take out people we've largely cleared and leave the mystery candidates.

I also think you're actually a lot more aware of what's going on and into this game than you are letting on. You're so excited about this game that you're talking about it IRL during night, but actually you're just a VT who barely understands the setup? Yeah right.

Let's lynch this guy.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:37:47 pm
What don't you understand about the sentence "I didn't talk about the at ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:38:54 pm
And when I played on a different platform there was no watcher or tracker which is why I didn't understand what they were
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:40:37 pm
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:43:44 pm
And by saying all these things I know I'm digging my own grave but I don't care because I'm trying to understand why u guys just lynch without solid proof
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 04:44:59 pm
ask RR how bored I was during N-1 because I'm a vanilla townie who couldn't do anything during N-1

I'm not accusing you of breaking any rules, I misconstrued this statement a bit, earlier. But RR's knowledge of your night 1 boredom does suggest to some small amount of vague (not illegal) IRL talking.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 04:47:43 pm
I will admit to answering a few rule questions Jake had during the night. I will also sort of throw him under the bus: He did say he was bored because it was night and he hoped gkreig's game would open soon (by the way, join gkreig's game!)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:49:19 pm
But I can be bored and not have to talk about the game would you like some other reasons for my boredom/depression : I was sick the last irl day of D-1, outside baseball ended last week and my grandma just got atmitted to the icu after back surgery. Are u happy now robz
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 04:51:13 pm
And for anyone who would like to know how to get lynched you can take notes now or sign up for my free class called how to get lynched 101
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 05:00:56 pm
?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 05:02:37 pm
What's the ? for
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 05:06:24 pm
What's the ? for

It's a question mark.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 05:08:32 pm
I know what's the question
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 05:09:14 pm
I know what's the question

Just... everything.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 05:12:25 pm
That's not a question
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 05:26:10 pm
This game is about finding the person with the most evidence of scum on them and so far the only reason that I am scum is because one person said that I said some scummy things and everyone else just followed suit

The biggest thing working against you, actually, is that you are still alive today. We scrutinized you Day 1, and I for one afforded you likely town status. That makes you a great night kill for scum... scum want to take out people we've largely cleared and leave the mystery candidates.

I also think you're actually a lot more aware of what's going on and into this game than you are letting on. You're so excited about this game that you're talking about it IRL during night, but actually you're just a VT who barely understands the setup? Yeah right.

Let's lynch this guy.

Disagree. That scum nailed a PR instead of the IC is a thing. They were clearly avoiding VTs. Jake as a claimed VT was least likely to get NK'd. That we have a nonexistent IC is a travesty.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 05:27:21 pm

That's not a question
uh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 05:38:26 pm

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 05:38:41 pm
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 05:40:29 pm

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 05:53:54 pm

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
I reread the setup and there should be three vanilla townies in the game at the start. One was lynched so 2/9 is roughly 80%

there can be like 9 Vts actually
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:00:17 pm
First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 06:03:45 pm
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 23, 2016, 06:04:31 pm
First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3

Every modification works with 50% probability. There can be no modifications at all. (Though there's one at least cause SA was Tracker)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:13:57 pm
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 06:16:13 pm
Pro tip: Complaining and telling people to lynch you is not going to increase your odds of survival
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:18:38 pm
I'm not telling anyone to lynch me I would love to live but due to the overwhelming public dislike of me I doubt that will happen
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 06:20:31 pm
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
'Then lynch me'
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:21:32 pm
I gave him all the options in that post
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 06:21:47 pm
unvote: silverspawn you can lynch me but i'm just trying to figure out who is mafia and who isnt
'You can lynch me'
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:22:08 pm
I would prefer that not to happen but it's an option
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 06:25:24 pm
SAlient posts:


vote: spaceanemone.
You're still alive and now I want you gone.
...

That was exactly as fun as I hoped it would be.

Sleep now. Night all!

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now:
Vote: Haddock
their singular rvs thing. don't really think it's very revealing, they & haddock know each other


vote: Jake
Why?

To see how the total unknown newbie who isn't already IC reacts. It was fun.
seems a bit neutral. their vote on jake stays there for the rest of the day, though


I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

Did you feel that way before I started the wagon, or only after?
perhaps they did scumread jake then


Nyerp.  This feels a bit forced.  I find myself kind of understanding the J Reggie wagon, while not really fully agreeing with it.  Reggie's done some odd things and I don't remember him being this odd.  I just don't like big quick wagons happening so early.  I hate D1.
I don't get a scummy vibe from the stuff LL is saying about finding his situation with J Reggie odd. I mean, PPS is here, and I've only ever encountered him before as a scumbuddy in NM8, and I'm town now, so I can see this coming from town!LL. However, I've learned that he's also really good at getting into a townie headspace when scum, so it's kind of null overall.

Just throwing this out there, but what do people think are the chances that this is Lalight and Reggie constructing something?
Probably worth keeping in mind. I mean, JR seems townie enough (I almost always townread him, unfortunately), but he's yet to insist he's IC in this game, so maybe that's something to worry about?

This is weak and overexplained.  Not really a thing, either.  I don't think scum are going to worry that much about PoE this early.  It's all about how naturally you can find your way onto wagons.  Maybe inexperienced scum think this way?  But then inexperienced scum don't really think of PoE that much at all.
It's certainly something that people at my/LL's level of experience will worry about other people doing shortly after we've each played our first scum games. But yeah, I wouldn't discount an experienced player just because they're voting for the same person as the IC here.

I want to hear more from Space (I know, I've barely posted, hypocrisy hypocrisy).  Not that I actually think I can read them better than anyone else, but I want to get a feel for forum!Space by comparison to IRL!Space.
We are all Space :-)


Current scum reads are Jake and Lalight, prefer Lalight today mostly since they're more experienced.
vote: Lalight
Yeah.. I'm not going to do my usual thing of jumping in to say how townie LL is, because he's smart enough to have had me fooled for a while in Ghibli, and I think him voting me earlier may have been a scumtell. But even as scum, he's going to say a bunch of town-useful stuff because of his helpful nature, so I think he's an odd pick for a D1 lynch.
sort of explains why townies might have stepped off of lalight's wagon.


You think scum will commit to potentially lynching one of their own up to including themselves on D1? You think scum would draw this much negative attention outright?

I honestly wouldn't put it past you :-) You're an experienced player known for doing bold stuff, after all!

I do think you're missing the key aspect of the anti-town-ness of your proposed play, though, which is that you're hiding a lot more information about yourself by essentially promising not to act at all. We can't evaluate your voting choices as independent, possibly-alignment-indicative events if you make up a simple deterministic rule, broadcast that, and then refuse to budge from it.
hey, that's what i said!


Huh.. I was going to hammer once I'd done more thinking, but I guess PPS had a prior claim on intent.

I'd still like to work out whether I agree with JR's claiming plans, if people are still here and talking into twilight...
pretty unfortunate. i really think calamitas looked scummy at that point, we'll have to look if there's anything in particular that would've made him think that a self-lynch was worthwhile
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 06:37:38 pm
are we allowed to use the forum's native diceroll function for things?
i kinda want to do a rando-reread of someone. it seems like it would be busted for scum at rvs though. i guess, you could just suspect anyone who is using the diceroll at rvs
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: mail-mi on October 23, 2016, 06:40:42 pm
are we allowed to use the forum's native diceroll function for things?
i kinda want to do a rando-reread of someone. it seems like it would be busted for scum at rvs though. i guess, you could just suspect anyone who is using the diceroll at rvs

Using the dice roll function of the forum is allowed.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2016, 06:48:13 pm

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.

Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game.  For exactly this reason. 
2) My posts are "aminous"?  Is that supposed to be "ominous"?  If so, what do you mean?  If not - what do you mean?  Also, yah, PPS and I have had two or three prods.  We are not "constantly fighting".
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 06:57:04 pm

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.

Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
1) Scum very rarely choose to kill people with whom they have had a major disagreement recently in the game.  For exactly this reason. 
2) My posts are "aminous"?  Is that supposed to be "ominous"?  If so, what do you mean?  If not - what do you mean?  Also, yah, PPS and I have had two or three prods.  We are not "constantly fighting".
1.The probity is very high
2.Well there kind of hard to understand but that may be just me so If others think there not then that's their opinion
3. You and pps fight a lot
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 07:05:46 pm
Haddock and I do not fight. We remind each other of that one time when it looked hopeless and he wanted to just give up and I talked him off the cliff and it turned out okay after all. It's an important lesson and stands testament to the fact that you go down swinging because that's the game, especially when you're town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 23, 2016, 07:12:24 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2016, 07:13:39 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 23, 2016, 07:14:04 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
decline.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 23, 2016, 07:34:47 pm
Jake calls on everyone who is voting for him to tell why and tell Jake any questions you have for him
I will debate any grevices you have against me
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 07:48:17 pm
I watched playthroughs of both portal games so now I get all the references!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 08:42:08 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)

I already posted my disagreement with your position on him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 23, 2016, 10:27:49 pm
I'm voting for lalight because I think he's more likely to be scum than Jake. But if someone posts a good case on Jake I'll switch. I haven't seen one yet, but there might be something I've missed.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 23, 2016, 10:43:00 pm
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 12:02:13 pm
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 24, 2016, 01:16:55 pm
I'd say JReggie is Jake's partner. And McGarnacle should be the third. I solved the game, guys!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: LaLight on October 24, 2016, 01:19:34 pm
Actually, i suggest you to think why SA was killed. This is strange really.
JReggie knows they can be a serious foe for example. I haven't seen any breadcrumbs or PR slips from them. Why SA? I can understand why not the IC (Though there's two explanations again: scum's too newbie or too vet) but SA is a really strange choice.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 24, 2016, 01:29:43 pm
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

I'd say JReggie is Jake's partner. And McGarnacle should be the third. I solved the game, guys!

Omgus much?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: J Reggie on October 24, 2016, 01:30:37 pm
I need to read this game because right now I don't remember much about anyone that's not named Jake or lalight.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 02:47:27 pm
Also, Jake has run up early both days. He is an easy lynch if we need one. It's way early today to be trying to force close it with an easy lynch. Let's play out the day and get something better than where everyone stood on the Jake flip. I mean, if he's scum that would be super cool although I will look foolish, but I'm not getting a warm fuzzy he is a bad guy just yet.

His lynch certainly doesn't feel easy. It feels hard, probably because his partners aren't helping it.

Really? I know I'm town and that makes him L-1 if I vote. Clearly there's more town not on his wagon. In fact, all the scum could be there instead. Maybe the case just isn't that good...

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Simple, at last vote count there were 4 votes on Jake. There's 7 people not on that wagon. 1 of which I know to be town. Out of the remaining 6 at least 3 are also town. Even if the Jake wagon is composed entirely of town there's at least that many town not on the wagon. In fact, there's enough people not on the wagon to go lynch somebody else entirely without any of the current Jake voters changing their votes. So, I disagree with the implication that town is doing all they can to lynch Jake and the only reason it won't go through is because scum won't help. At least 50% of town is not convinced Jake is the quick lynch today.

Furthermore, 1-3 scum may well be on the Jake wagon which, if the case, would mean that the majority of town is currently opposed to his lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 04:06:01 pm
Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

Vote: Robz888
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 04:23:31 pm
Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

Vote: Robz888

PPS, you know this is the losing route (for town). I know you know this is the losing route (for town). Punishing people for trying to build cases that make sense to them while the lurkers lurk and don't contribute is so bad. You're a valuable vet, I need you to, like, go along with me here.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 04:35:21 pm
Robz is making some pretty soft arguments and pushing Jake really hard over them. At first I thought his superior play was eluding me. Then I thought if he was scum he wouldn't play this badly. Then I remembered he hasn't played a game in since forever. So maybe he's just playing badly as scum.

Vote: Robz888

PPS, you know this is the losing route (for town). I know you know this is the losing route (for town). Punishing people for trying to build cases that make sense to them while the lurkers lurk and don't contribute is so bad. You're a valuable vet, I need you to, like, go along with me here.

The lurking is what is killing this game. For God's sake can we get a Prod: Fargo.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 24, 2016, 05:22:52 pm
Shoot, I wish I knew how more of you played. I've only played with like, 3 of the people in this game.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2016, 06:46:05 pm
Gah. I've been crap lately. Sorry.
I'll try to put an actual case on jake together tomorrow.  Right now I admit it's been very "scummy vibes from this post/that post" which could do to be more structured.

Shoot, I wish I knew how more of you played. I've only played with like, 3 of the people in this game.
I think this is genuine. Some town points for macgarnacle.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 07:13:37 pm
I feel you Mc I know no one that plays
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 07:14:35 pm
While I know rr but not how he plays
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 24, 2016, 08:50:47 pm
re: jake—there is a lot of intuition happening that makes me want to vote him, but when i look at all the stuff, i get an overwhelming feeling that i could just be totally, way wrong and everything could sufficiently be explained by him being a person.


but also, jake, you're not taking the hint. we don't care, like, at all about things that you say about yourself. if you got infinite time to consider and post-hoc rationalize the posts that you made, there's no way that any latent scumminess could come to the surface. we can find scums in this game because they make mistakes
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 24, 2016, 08:57:26 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 08:58:58 pm
I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
He likes to debate so I feel like as scum he'd be more persistent and stubborn.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
What what?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 24, 2016, 09:10:15 pm
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 09:11:52 pm
Definitely
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 09:13:26 pm
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn

Yeah. If scum Jake would be described as "persistent and stubborn," then the case against Jake is even stronger than I've explained.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 09:13:41 pm
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 09:14:45 pm
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe

Whatever.

Schadd, I'd love to see you join the Jake wagon.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 24, 2016, 09:15:06 pm
could (clap emoji) he (clap emoji) really
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: schadd on October 24, 2016, 09:15:25 pm
is there a version of jake that is more persistent and stubborn
By far. I don't know if he could express this online but he could up his emoji game and just go off.
PPe

Whatever.

Schadd, I'd love to see you join the Jake wagon.
that is not news
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 09:24:59 pm
It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

*Drops mic*
PPE 3
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 09:25:28 pm
Vote: Robz
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 09:35:31 pm
Man Robz you really absorbed the LaLight attack posts on me from D-1 after reading them over and over looking for a solid agrument against me. Possible scum alert guys. Not sure because he was great D-1 but now not so sure if robz is town
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 09:38:12 pm
So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

*Drops mic*
PPE 3

Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: silverspawn on October 24, 2016, 09:48:37 pm
Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.

That wouldn't be smart.

I find the defense pretty convincing. But I don't think it is a reason to suspect you.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 09:53:51 pm
Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 09:58:44 pm
And this is why I still call myself a noob after a year
vote: jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:05:06 pm
What's up everyone
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:06:24 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:07:01 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...

And, hi! It's been, what, 2 years?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:08:09 pm
And this is why I still call myself a noob after a year
vote: jake

Easy rule for playing mafia on the Forums with someone you know (well) in real life: assume they're scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:08:37 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:09:18 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!

Okay, well, here's everything you need to know, if you haven't read.

Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:18:37 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.

Though if you had showed up 5 minutes earlier perhaps I wouldn't have needed to claim...

And, hi! It's been, what, 2 years?
Hi! Yeah, it's certainly been awhile. I can't even remember the last game we played together.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:20:12 pm
What's up everyone

!!! Are you our Fargo? Oh, this is the best news ever.
I am indeed! Have not been following the game really, but I know the setup. Excited to be Town because then I can't be mislynched!

Okay, well, here's everything you need to know, if you haven't read.

Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
Nice! Ok, well, I'll be rereading. The game is has much fewer posts than I thought it did.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 10:27:26 pm
Vote: Jake
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 10:28:22 pm
So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

*Drops mic*
PPE 3

Terrible. You are defending him because he's your friend, not for actual reasons. Jake has already slipped up. He's scum. I'm sure of it. I'll stake my reputation--50 games!--on it.
Btw this isn't true. I actually want to lynch him more because he's my friend
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: pingpongsam on October 24, 2016, 10:28:36 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:32:38 pm
Jeez, how much more direct do I have to be with you people? I am a town PR, and I know that Jake is scum.
If so what role how do we not know your not mafia claiming to be a PR to lynch me
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:32:56 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
And what does flip town mean
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:34:33 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.

Yep. If I don't survive to Day 3--and in all honesty I don't expect to--I think silverspawn is my top scum read now, just based off of a wild hunch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:37:18 pm
Vote: pingpongsam

Why in the world would you hammer this early?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:38:08 pm
Then why are you killing me if ss is your top scum read makes no sense
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on October 24, 2016, 10:39:38 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:39:51 pm
Vote: pingpongsam

Why in the world would you hammer this early?

It's not all that early, a little early but not crazy. I'm totally happy with it. Will keep this day nice and manageable for your re-read.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Robz888 on October 24, 2016, 10:40:26 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.

This is exactly the conversation we should not be having, so don't have it. Silence time, wait for flip.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:42:46 pm
Seriously you're killing me for no reason other than one person say so that stupid Vote: Robz
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: McGarnacle on October 24, 2016, 10:44:04 pm
Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:46:25 pm
On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
It's not that simple. If Robz is the Cop and Investigated Jake and got "Mafia" (Robz: don't say how you know he is scum, please), Jake could easily be Town and the psychotrooper power been used N1.

This is exactly the conversation we should not be having, so don't have it. Silence time, wait for flip.
And why not do u not want us to anaylze you like you anazlyed me all day. Are you afraid that we'll find that your scum trying to get me lynched
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 10:54:42 pm
Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:55:09 pm
Someone say something please I hate these long stretches were no one talks
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 10:55:47 pm
Someone say something please I hate these long stretches were no one talks
It's been 10 minutes
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:56:15 pm
Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Big emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 10:58:50 pm
I know I'm just a VT and I'm viewed as not that important but robz claiming power role has confirmed my supisions that he is scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:05:35 pm
Wait, could someone explain Jake's supposed scumslip to me? I read it, but I don't see how it is a slip.
There's no slip. Robz is apparently a power role and he uses his role to find out that Jake is scum
Big emphasis on "apparently" and subsitute power role with scum
If you're a VT then we'll lynch Robz tomorrow and we'll trade 1 townie (you) for one scum (him). This is a good deal. This will be profitable to the town as a whole
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:06:43 pm
Jake, I really think you're town. However, Robz's information overrides any belief I may have. My faith has ben overridden by his evidence, in a sense
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 24, 2016, 11:10:33 pm
"Do you see that thing that fell out of me? What is that? It's not the surprise... I've never seen it before. Never mind. It's a mystery I'll solve later... By myself... Because you'll be dead. - GLaDOS

Vote Count 2.final

Jake (6): LaLight, McGarnacle, Haddock, Robz, RR, PPS
LaLight (3): silverspawn, J Reggie, Jake

Not Voting (2): schadd, Archetype

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Archetype has replaced Fargo.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:10:44 pm
Jake, I really think you're town. However, Robz's information overrides any belief I may have. My faith has ben overridden by his evidence, in a sense
There's no evidence one claim supported by nothing does not prove anything. Plus if don't lynch me now you have 6 days to figure out whether that claim has any merit if you think so then lynch me then but lynch based on a claim with no proof is stupid
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:11:51 pm
This is unfair ***********************************
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:12:06 pm
You've been dead for like an hour
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:12:29 pm
It's not unfair  ::) better luck next time
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:12:49 pm
By the way we can't talk about the game even though you're dead
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:13:12 pm
And don't post omce it says 'thread locked'
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:14:55 pm
But it doesn't now so I can rage about being unjustly lynched
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:15:55 pm
RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scum lord robz over here gonna kill you all
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:16:21 pm
But it doesn't now so I can rage about being unjustly lynched
True, true. But you can be 100% honest now with no consequences: were you really a VT?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:16:48 pm
Yes!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:17:18 pm
The scum lord played y'all
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:17:40 pm
Into killing your town members
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2016, 11:18:21 pm
Oh well. Not the biggest deal honestly. Mislynches are part of the game
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:19:13 pm
Yeah but if your smart you would have realized that robz is scum lord and would have lynched him
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on October 24, 2016, 11:19:56 pm
And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: mail-mi on October 24, 2016, 11:20:29 pm
It seems like you've come to a decision. Finally. I was thinking you'd take all day. But look. You finally did it. And, as a bonus, you somehow got it right. Well done, seriously. I'm so happy for you guys. You all must be the favorite children of Subject Mother's Name Here.

JaketheBaseballGod22 has been lynched! He was the Turret!

Night 2 starts now and ends sometime between 11:00 AM FT and 11:00 PM FT on Wednesday, October 26th. Night Actions are due at 10:00 AM FT on Wednesday, October 26th.

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Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: mail-mi on October 26, 2016, 08:54:01 pm
I was thinking that you guys needed a boost. So, I'm here to tell you the names of all the Mafia: They a--[kzzzzzzzzt]--ake use of that information. If you want.

Robz888 has died! He was Doug Rattmann!

Day 3 starts now and ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.

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Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 26, 2016, 09:00:07 pm
"Welcome, gentlemen, to Aperture Science. Astronauts, war heroes, Olympians--you're here because we want the best, and you are it. So: Who is ready to make some science?" - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (9): RR, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, PPS, Archetype, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 26, 2016, 09:05:10 pm
Robz was a hero. Heroes die.

Did I get that reference right?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 26, 2016, 09:42:15 pm
Anyone here? I thought my quote was clever  :(
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 26, 2016, 10:10:47 pm
i'm not here
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 26, 2016, 10:14:27 pm
The game is all but solved. There's a 90-93% chance that Jake didn't bus at all. It's really great
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 26, 2016, 10:17:28 pm
anyway, that makes enough sense. watcher for scum is a super good exchange. my intuition and that of, seemingly, a few other people, was right about jake, which kinda sucks. i don't like when my intuition is right.


On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.

i don't like this one. "i am totally so proud of that effective lynch that i just did but also it is entirely dependent on some event and doesn't count"
except the thing that i said about my intuition still stands. so where do we go from here?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 26, 2016, 10:17:43 pm
crudblood. small text. please hold
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 26, 2016, 10:18:35 pm
anyway, that makes enough sense. watcher for scum is a super good exchange. my intuition and that of, seemingly, a few other people, was right about jake, which kinda sucks. i don't like when my intuition is right.


On a roll. To be clear, tho, I hammered because Robz claimed. If Jake flips town we kill Robz.
i don't like this one. "i am totally so proud of that effective lynch that i just did but also it is entirely dependent on some event and doesn't count"
except the thing that i said about my intuition still stands. so where do we go from here?
fixed. this is not a new problem (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15947.msg621920#msg621920)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 03:39:52 am
Okay, now we know that Turret was overpowered, nice we killed it.

I will look into Jake's interactions, but for now feels like RR is his partner.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 03:42:44 am
Okay, now we know that Turret was overpowered, nice we killed it.

I will look into Jake's interactions, but for now feels like RR is his partner.

I really doubt it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 03:44:10 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 03:58:11 am
My case on RR:

1) Jake voted for him in the first post. Newbie!scum voting each other on RVS is a common case.
2) In the beginning of this day RR said that it's not likely that Jake was bussing his partner, so we wouldn't think on RR.
3) RR tunneled Jake, but then realising he did it too much started to explain why Jake is not scum.

About McG: nothing really strong, just his behaviour is much more different from the previous game.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 03:59:07 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?

I can see your reasons on everyone but Schadd. Why not him?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 05:57:06 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 27, 2016, 07:10:02 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 27, 2016, 07:18:37 am
Haddock, schadd and PPS are the scummiest
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 07:23:58 am
Also, Jake told (was it genuine?) that there's only three VTs so every scenario is here. That's kinda bad. Cop enabler... Should the cop claim now?

Nice we didn't lose IC yet.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 07:25:56 am
also I don't remember if I vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 07:30:32 am
Also, Jake told (was it genuine?) that there's only three VTs so every scenario is here. That's kinda bad. Cop enabler... Should the cop claim now?

Nice we didn't lose IC yet.

that would not be bad, that would be fantastic. The modifications are great for town across the board.

But I doubt it. Much more likely that it's a planted townslip.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 07:33:28 am
someone please lay out the case on shadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 07:35:41 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 27, 2016, 08:21:36 am
I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 08:25:27 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Did you intend to make a comment here?  Or are you just agreeing?

Something happening around McG, silver?  I don't remember that.  I remember finding him a bit scummy, that's it.

I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim.  Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon.  But again, that may well just be my memory.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 08:35:19 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

Agree with this in its entirety. Especially the Vote: schadd bit.
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy). He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him. I didn't ever read Jake scum, though. Too bad I was too dense to get the insinuation of PR.

I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
Did you intend to make a comment here?  Or are you just agreeing?

Something happening around McG, silver?  I don't remember that.  I remember finding him a bit scummy, that's it.

I'm going to be away all day today. I'd vote, but I really have no idea of who could be scum. I'm glad I was right about Jake, my intuition is usually off.
I need to go back and look at yesterday again since I don't actually remember who contributed to Jake's lynch before Robz's claim.  Certainly I don't remember you as a primary driver of the Jake wagon.  But again, that may well just be my memory.

Silver asker for Schadd case. I quoted PPS's case.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 08:38:14 am
OK, so I did that, and MacGarnacle was pretty early on the wagon, so that's nice.

Other things of note:  PPS pushed VERY hard against Jake's lynch.  I know he's already gotten ahead of this point, but seriously, everyone, go look.  It's bad.

This could be useful:
Then lynch me. Your a basically asking me to defend my self from something and I don't know what that is. It's like asking someone to stop a sneak attack when they have no idea that there is one plus it won't matter if I defend myself because you guys will lynch me anyways. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll defuse those reasons with logical answers
i'm not telling you to defend yourself, i'm telling you to come up with reasons that you ought to be alive. in spite of what the case with calamitas would lead you to believe, the reasons for lynching someone are not always gonna be how much they seem scum; if you're only gonna spend time defending yourself, then you aren't very useful for town. if you can succinctly defend yourself and then provide concrete reasons for why other people seem (un)suspicious then you will be an asset. presumably, everyone can respond logically to some arguments against them, regardless of alignment, and there's some things to which one can't respond logically to (e.g. posts giving some sort of bad impression, suspicion cast by nightkills, etc.)


First of all their was 8 to start with and then there was 5 modifications that turned 5 into PRs so
8-5=3
it says that the modifications all have a 50% chance of being present, in bold
Well one person I'm pretty sure is scum is McGarnacle because during D-1 he and SA had a beef and on N-1 SA ends up dead. I'm also confindent that LaLight is scum but that's just how I feel not a lot of proof the third person who is mafia is pps due to having no clear side that he is on for anything or Haddock due to the fact that all of his posts are kind of aminous and pps and Haddock are constantly fighting so I think one is the third scum
I reckon new scum puts exactly one partner in their scumlists.  So, PPS/MacGarnacle/Lalight, I reckon exactly one scum in those three.


also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
This could be a legit scumslip, I guess. Seems reasonably unlikely - it would rely on the setup having been rolled with all 5 modifiers, which is a smallish chance even with SA's flip.
Schadd looks bad.  This was clearly a manufactured townslip, and this could well be schadd trying to help manufacture it.

I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
decline.
Eww.

It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

*Drops mic*
PPE 3
This isn't brilliant either.  But it's very RR, I don't think he wins the most-egregious-defense-of-Jake award.  That goes to either schadd or PPS.

I still very much like my schadd vote. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 08:48:04 am
convincing. I predict schadd/McG team.

vote: Schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 27, 2016, 09:20:04 am
As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for. I mean if we were in the bottom of a game and it was clear we could win with some massaging I'd probably do it but as a general rule I do not, ever. No, my game is to look towny when I am scum by defending town.

Situations like today are precisely why I would never defend a partner.

I'm all about the bus, though, the anti defense.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 09:23:20 am
As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.
Can anyone contradict this?  I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 09:46:12 am
As scum I simply don't defend my partners. That's a thing I just don't have the stomach for.
Can anyone contradict this?  I need to have a look at my old scum game with PPS (I think I had one at some point) and see what that was about, but if anyone can remember specific instances of PPS defending a partner it would be helpful.

In my only game with PPS that was not the case. He neither bussed nor defend SA but SA didn't need it actually.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 27, 2016, 10:10:18 am
I'm between lalight, Mcgarnacle, and schadd. I honestly think scum!lalight and scum!Jake would go after each other like they did.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 10:37:43 am
I'm between lalight, Mcgarnacle, and schadd. I honestly think scum!lalight and scum!Jake would go after each other like they did.
I agree totally. 
Lalight could definitely be Jake's partner.  I even said something to this effect yesterday. 

That said, my scumread on Lalight has weakened slightly of late - still think schadd is the better choice.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 27, 2016, 10:48:13 am
Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 10:54:03 am
Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 27, 2016, 10:56:21 am
Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
By bus I mean call scummy in a reads list
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 11:32:03 am
Unless he was coached, Jake won't bus. I do think the '3 VTs' thing was a planted slip though (or just a blunder by him/misunderstanding) so I'm not going to rule out the coaching possibility.
What are you talking about?  He never had the opportunity to bus anyone.  Not really.

And I strongly believe that the first thing you tell a new scum player in a scum QT is "don't be afraid to accuse us, that's OK, we'll all look better if we throw some suspicion at each other".
By bus I mean call scummy in a reads list
Then see the second paragraph of my post that you quoted.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 27, 2016, 12:35:09 pm
I just realized we lose if we lynch McGarnacle. Look at his avatar.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 27, 2016, 12:49:57 pm
Hi everyone!

Nice job Robz. Clutch move there. I totally thought you were the Cop, so cool that we still have them alive.

But how did Robz catch Jake? He had to of seen that he killed SpaceA, right? But that means he did it without using his Ninja or using his 2-shot Rolestopper. If the Mafia team was...

1-shot Psychotrooper
Goon
1-shot Ninja 2-shot Rolestopper

Why would you have your most beefed up player complete the kill? (Mafia cannot kill and use their powers in the same night). Why not the Goon? Psychotroopers usually use their powers on the first night (so, to the Cop: if you got "Mafia" the first night, your target is most likely Town) so he wouldn't want to complete the kill. The Goon would usually want to take the shot...unless they weren't a Goon!

The remaining Goon can be a 2-shot Roleblocker and/or Flavor Cop. The player more likely to use a power on the first night is the Flavor Cop (nothing to use a Roleblocker shot on N1). So, there is likely a Town Roleblocker. If one claims while I am dead, they are more than likely Town. I'm not saying that you should immediatly trust them, but they will have much greater odds than 50/50 at being Town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 27, 2016, 12:55:33 pm
Also, I likely will not be sharing my reads. Sorry. You can lynch me if you don't like it.

Question for RR:

How did you go from this early in the game:
I agree that Jake looks bad here. He has an IRL thing he does that he did here that makes me suspect him.

to this:
It is my firm belief that Jake is not scum. Over the Internet, I think he'd be a halfway decent liar. However, I think I can explain to you exactly why Jake isn't scum. This might be slightly offensive to Jake but I think that deflating his ego will be beneficial overall.

Let's go, guys.
Before we start I just want to point out that I know Jake really flippin' well. I don't think this is cheating but I've been hanging out with him for years. I'd like to think that I can analyze him pretty well.

Just a FYI, Jake would not listen to any coaching in the scum QT.

Another FYI, if he's scum we'll know at a certain point. Like D4 it'll become SUPER obvious.

Anyway, I have 2 strong points: His age and his claim.

Back when I started playing Mafia, I was some dorky kid. I'm still some dorky kid, but i'm just now realizing that was exactly a year ago. Oh how time flies!
You guys aren't taking into account the fact that Jake is young and new to Mafia. If those two things aren't combined, it doesn't really matter (I'm young and a functional member of the town, Calamitas is new and super duper good.)

But Jake is going to play wayyyyyyy different. And that's going to be read as scummy. #differentisnotbad

My second point is that he claimed VT. Now, I'm pretty sure this is an Asher9++ setup, but I don't understand those at all. I literally have no idea how this setup gets determined. All I know is that it's popular and balanced.

It's no surprise to me that Jake claimed


Never mind, I just thought about it and that point is moot.

So how else do I defend Jake? I don't know.

But the point is that you should listen to me. Jake hasn't been super helpful but that doesn't mean he's not town. I say back off and let the game run its course. Jake will probably slip up if he is scum.

*Drops mic*
PPE 3
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 27, 2016, 12:57:00 pm
For PPS: What is the town narrative for immediately hammering a player that gets to L-1?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 27, 2016, 01:12:40 pm
For PPS: What is the town narrative for immediately hammering a player that gets to L-1?

D1 - because I said I would and town don't lie. In retrospect the wagons formed at the time were on a definite scum (Jake) and a likely scum (LaLight). At that point in time I felt we had a grotesque extension of RVS where some baseless wagons had formed and the basis for lynching one of them was that there was a wagon that could make it happen. Like, a completely circular self-perpetuating form of stupid. In order to mitigate this I swore to hammer anyone at L-1 so that the degree of wagon runup was limited. Also, I would never do this kind of dumb as scum because the potential to be forced to nix my partner D1 would be real; so I was positioning for a town tell in the only way I could do so. I figured there was no real loss to the game playing this way for D1; I would not continue the behavior beyond that. Also, also, I figured smart town would see it for unapologetic brash town play and dumb scum would see an opportunity to paint me scum for it so it was a bit of a scum trap. The touchy things with that sort of thing is separating out all the grey space in between where you have smart scum and dumb town confusing the matter. But, that's where I like to think I thrive and excel at the game.

D2- I trusted Robz was what he said he was. It all added up quite well considering how he strongly hinted it and even more directly to me immediately prior.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 02:02:48 pm
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 02:05:41 pm
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG

What happened?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 02:16:55 pm
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG
Wrong. Good chance schadd is scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 02:32:22 pm
Look at that avatar, then reconsider.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 02:39:47 pm
Look at that avatar, then reconsider.
Read schadd more carefully, then reconsider.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 02:57:57 pm
Still town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 27, 2016, 03:03:11 pm
Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 27, 2016, 03:42:58 pm
I thought I had slight town reads on ss and haddock but now I'm rethinking that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 27, 2016, 05:09:32 pm
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 27, 2016, 05:10:55 pm
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

I'm with ya man
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 27, 2016, 05:13:01 pm
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

Why is that?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2016, 08:00:41 pm
woof.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 27, 2016, 08:22:30 pm
Why is the IC not giving reads? I'm not arguing just trying to get my head around it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 27, 2016, 08:25:26 pm
You give reads so that others can judge you. IC shouldn't give reads in general I don't think. Of course, at the end of the day, he should try to direct the lynch to where he think it needs to go, but not sooner.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2016, 08:37:46 pm
He was all over me D1 for making a clear town play (albeit blunt and unwieldy).
uh, no, as i talked about here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647853#msg647853). and, well, we get the bonus thing of how you hammered a town. clearly it can't be that dumb of a scum play
He joined me on the Robz case when my real intention there was to move the game to someone not Jake, not necessarily Robz. I should say I read Robz town and wanted to see who would try to go with me against him.
i have voted robz once, during rvs. i don't think i expressed any suspicion against robz unless you count disagreeing with him about jake.


I think I am going he easy mislynch today, though because of my interaction surrounding Robz/Jake. The easy thing is to say I hammered Jake for cred when it was really just the obvious town play.
is of course meaningless. i don't think obvious town plays exist, i think this is the sort of thing that merits more time to figure it out (especially considering that it says this setup is supposed to discourage towncred from claiming PRs). it is pretty easy, though, to decide, as scum, that if a partner goes to l-1 that you'll hammer them, because you can think about it in advance


in other news,
Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
cool! am excited


Look at that avatar, then reconsider.
well, the avatar is conf!town (recommended by sa). but not substantive


gonna do a readpost of rr. at the time of the tone, he is my top read (brrrrp) but that may change with a more proper read
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: schadd on October 27, 2016, 09:09:27 pm

road runnerton259 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647598#msg647598): stand by what i said around 454 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648444#msg648444), like, how do you double back on something like that, as town?


701 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649399#msg649399) --> 707 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649410#msg649410): strikes me as a "the jig is up!" kinda post. like, sorta the same thing that i said about pps, you can resolve to make this sort of decision a lot easier if you're both scum. i cannot imagine it's an accepted thing that you go with PR claims each time, there's gotta be a possibility for some better idea.


737 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649447#msg649447): sorta trying to wax as an evidencey guy, but i mean, the robz claim wasn't that exactly. hedging like that can't be good either, but a scum flip might be the exception


760 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649818#msg649818): well, apparently you can toss your other read of jake easily, this seems silly.


787 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649908#msg649908): thanks for telling us this after he died


the rest of the posts are just a puddle of whatever. vote: roadrunner

in other other news, don't see where, like, any opinions about mcgarnacle are coming from, like, which of the 16 posts are we thinking of?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: LaLight on October 28, 2016, 03:34:50 am

in other other news, don't see where, like, any opinions about mcgarnacle are coming from, like, which of the 16 posts are we thinking of?

This actually is the case. McGarnacle was quite active in Newbies Mafia. Here he posts something not really relevant and sits silent all the way.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 28, 2016, 03:35:37 am
uh oh. Everyone is wrong.

shadd is town.

LaLight probably town too.

I think Haddock has a good point about the one scum in reads list. vote: McG

What happened?

@Silver, answer this please. Why is Schadd town? Why am I town? Why is McG scum?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 28, 2016, 06:13:02 am
I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 28, 2016, 06:14:08 am
Also Haddock. Would,like to lynch either RR or Haddock today for now. Further review necessary, though. Been nuts at work so will likely not be until,Sunday before I can do that.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 28, 2016, 06:15:09 am
What's the vote coun? When does the day end?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 28, 2016, 06:15:50 am
Just looking at the final wagon I'd let up on Haddock. He's in an unlikely position on Jake as a partner.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 07:28:01 am
schadd case, as promised.

Just going through posts one at a time here really.

Sheeping the IC is scummy vote: lalight

voting me is scummy (cause I'm town obviously)! vote: JReggie
how do you know you're town? is it because you know everyone's alignme- wait

Do you know it?
no
This is fairly tenous since it relies on Lalight being scum, but this feels very constructed between the two of them.

Just one example here:
vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

Ooh here's another one:
i would say that baseball > scout + bird.


vote: roadrunner


Here's the first post in a big theme of schadd-hedging HARD on Jake.  Like, super duper hard.  The hedgiest of the hedging.  In fact I'm going to just compile a list of all the quotes that I picked out here as examples of schadd hedging on Jake.
i mean, if that's real, then that's pretty incriminating, although it might just be a nod more than anything. and also i wouldn't put it past rr to make something like that up.


jake, what say you?
oh also i guess it's sort of dependent on whether he's played mafia before. his introduction post made it sound like he did
  jake the baseball god twenty two: has seemed, like, not too good. i think he ought to be able to get a footing before we tear into him, though.
yeah, i don't really think doubting people for, like, the (un-)noobiness of what they say is reliable. or, rather, that's not the thing that feels weird to me about jake. the sense i'm getting is that he already knows a bunch of the language (just from experience) but there is a faint tang of, like, quintuple-wifom, like, he's clearly attempting to say stuff in a 'towny' way but it also sort of explicitly sounds like he's trying to say stuff in a 'towny' way, etc. i am willing to believe that he is a god, not only of baseball.
^^ OK I can't say this one here is hedging as such, it's just a cleverly-designed post, specifically made confusing so noone can actually figure out what schadd's read on Jake is.
of the current votes:
  jake: uff. at the very least, his posts seem, like, scripted. but so much so that i don't think it could actually be coaching or whatever. so, null
re: jake—there is a lot of intuition happening that makes me want to vote him, but when i look at all the stuff, i get an overwhelming feeling that i could just be totally, way wrong and everything could sufficiently be explained by him being a person.
.

OK, hedging section over.  Now let's look at some other posts schadd has made that make him look like Jake's partner:

That's not a question
uh, okay, how about, what reasons do we have for not lynching you, and why would we want to inform you of things that you say that sound scummy to us? as it is at the moment, robz has provided a few reasons for suspecting you (that have been a bit gut & tacit, which is fine) and you spent a bunch of time trying to refute one of them. some other people, as well, have been suspecting you for a while, and i was sort of giving you a D1 pass. it's D2 now, and if you're gonna try to give us a reason not to lynch you, you won't be able to do it by talking about yourself, and we're not gonna tell you what about your posts rubs us the wrong way.
Coaching the newbie scumpartner?  I think so.

also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.


I'm calling on everyone not voting for Jake to explain to me why. (Jake need not participate.)
decline.
Don't really need to say more about that.


OK, other things:

A lot of his posts are fluff, I've already mentioned that.  Lots of very forced jokes, trying to keep the most lighthearted tone possible.  Forced is a good description in general, I think.  This sort of thing:
sure.
vote: calamitas
i would say that i suspect pps and rr most, about the same amount, and calamitas a little bit less (i wasn't lying before, but yeah this last part has seemed a bit sketch). all 3 of these are better than no lynch for me, though, thus i will vote wherever a vote matters the most (which is to say, if any of these three get momentum)

This kind of rambling post, laden with qualification on qualification, "I think this, but this a little bit more, but not really previously, and this is why, (and only if this happens)", rings very scummy to me.


How many scum do we think were off wagon? Because there aren't very many still-living players there in total. Like, Silverspawn is the only person who voted for someone other than Calamtias at day's close.

for a while i thought that 3 scums would've had to be on it, or at least it would've been easy to manipulate somehow, because it was sort of hurried and close to the deadline (and that was sort of my motivation for voting calam), but eventually everyone did weigh in on it (except mcgarnacle i think). so i dunno. gonna reread space
Another example.  Why is he trying to give motivation for voting calamitas now?  Why is he qualifying everything he says?  And he's STILL hedging on things.  Not Jake this time, but still.

Also, this:
kinda confident about cal
Followed immediately by "whoops, shouldn't have said that, better backpedal a bit":
or, well, i haven't changed my mind at all


tl;dr.  Can we just lynch schadd now please?



Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 09:43:35 am
Anyone care to respond to that?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 28, 2016, 09:53:44 am
Anyone care to respond to that?

Usually everyone comes later here. I agree with you here.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 28, 2016, 09:56:10 am
Anyone care to respond to that?

Convinced me. vote: schadd

Also, yes, I am a lot less active here then I was in Time Loops. I'm really quite busy now, which is why I didn't sign up originally. I should be a bit more active now, with a major research paper for school done.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 28, 2016, 10:19:05 am
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 10:21:11 am
I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 10:44:18 am
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 28, 2016, 12:04:58 pm
Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player

all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 12:17:33 pm
Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Disagree.  This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going.  Scummy

Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said.  Hedging.  He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever.  Which is exactly what scum would try to do.

Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree.  Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.

"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm.  MAYBE I agree with you there.

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one?  The last pair of quotes I isolate?

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff.  He's trying to distract from the game.

all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Sigh...
See bold bits.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 28, 2016, 12:18:09 pm
*"Not".  Rather than "Note". 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 28, 2016, 07:45:20 pm

vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

shortly after that quoted post, you did a post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647064#msg647064) where you were a Cool Guy and Read Into It and also incidentally didn't vote on it. votes with no explanation that follow a post by the person you voted have an implicit "that post looks scummy to me." and you agreed with that implicit statement.



also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.


uh, the rest of it, in magic terms, resolves. i think that i was like that in ghibli also, just because i am quite not sure of things. this was the case with jake; i had a gutty read against him that i didn't really trust without any particular strong point of evidence; in fact, the roadrunner thing (i am totally confident you're scum, wait nvm) seemed to me like a pretty strong piece of evidence against the lynch.


"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 28, 2016, 07:48:20 pm
"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work


these posts are an example of that phenomenon:


I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 28, 2016, 08:01:25 pm
Throwing his vote around <- Town tell, scum is more aware of their vote
Disagree.  This was throwing around with no explanation, desperately trying to get a wagon going.  Scummy
Just not a scum tell imE

Talking about jake a lot <- Town tell, noob!scum tends to ignore their partner
Hedging, I said.  Hedging.  He never expresses a solid read on Jake whatsoever.  Which is exactly what scum would try to do.
Okay, somewhat true

Attempting to coach jake <- Town tell, any scum would be afraid to do that
Disagree.  Schadd is exactly inexperienced enough to try to subtly tell a newbie partner what to do.
Doubt it

"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Mmmm.  MAYBE I agree with you there.
Great!

the last one is big. I'd really think twice about lynching him based on that alone
Which last one?  The last pair of quotes I isolate?
The previous point

fluff <- can be either. some players are less fluffy as scum, some more. probably a scum tell for a new player
Note this kind of fluff.  He's trying to distract from the game.
°°

all in all, solid town. let's not lynch.
Sigh...
See bold bits.
See italic bits!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 29, 2016, 12:39:58 am
I'm sorry for being so non-present in this game. I think someone asked me a question that I haven't answered. I'll try and get to that tomorrow.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2016, 11:09:51 am

vote: pps
But schadd throws his vote around all over the place trying desperately to get something to stick.   This is fairly early on, but way past RVS.  He very rarely gives good explanation for all the vote changes, they're usually attached to very short posts.  There's a LOT of fluff coming from schadd in general, in fact.  Lots of short meaningless posts.

shortly after that quoted post, you did a post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647064#msg647064) where you were a Cool Guy and Read Into It and also incidentally didn't vote on it. votes with no explanation that follow a post by the person you voted have an implicit "that post looks scummy to me." and you agreed with that implicit statement.



also,
And why would the mafia bother killing a vanilla townie when then have a 80% chance of killing a PR?
where are we getting that figure from, eh?
Helping Jake to construct the fake townslip.
this was me calling out what i thought was a scumslip (accidentally letting on that he knew the PR distribution) and then i didn't think it was lynchworthy was that the math checked out with a somewhat reasonable setup misread.


uh, the rest of it, in magic terms, resolves. i think that i was like that in ghibli also, just because i am quite not sure of things. this was the case with jake; i had a gutty read against him that i didn't really trust without any particular strong point of evidence; in fact, the roadrunner thing (i am totally confident you're scum, wait nvm) seemed to me like a pretty strong piece of evidence against the lynch.


"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work
Maybe that specific vote was a bad example.  But you've done it a lot.

I still think it looks like a townslip that you and Jake constructed together.

I have no idea what your paragraph about magic is saying, really.

Possibly the word I'm looking for is "actilurking".  You have a lot of posts that are just guff, don't actually contribute anything but have lots of unconnected thoughts and words, not related to the game.  Like you're trying to look active without actually doing anything.

@silver, I still don't know what you mean by the "previous point", but whatever.


I still want to lynch schadd, but I guess I'm banging my head against a wall.  What are our other options? 
I could go RR, though Jake's stance on him makes me a bit thoughtful.  MacGarnacle maybe?

Can we get a vote count?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2016, 11:11:51 am
"forced jokes" and "trying to distract from the game" you might have to elaborate on. i found in ghibli that it's super easy to place scum motivations behind stuff if you already suspect the person, and i don't really see how trying to distract from the game would actually ever work


these posts are an example of that phenomenon:


I was wrong about schadd voting Robz with me at the end of the day. On review that was RR.

Vote: RR
Funny, I also thought that was schadd and thought it was scummy.  Until that case, essentially. 
I don't disagree with your read on RR.  But I still think schadd is scummier.
I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 29, 2016, 11:32:35 am
The previous point. This one:
Quote
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2016, 11:54:01 am
The previous point. This one:
Quote
"decline"-post <- definite town tell, scum would feel pressured to say something there
I finally understand you. 

When you said "I'd think twice on lynching him based on that alone", I thought you were saying you would consider lynching him based on just ______.  So I was trying to match up what you were saying with something I'd called him scummy for - that is, I thought you were saying "oh that last point you make is a very strong scumtell, but it's balanced out by everything else.

So yeah I now understand what you're saying. 

I still think you're wrong.  But enough's enough, I guess. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 29, 2016, 12:08:07 pm

I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.

this is another example. i talk like that all the time always in any place
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 29, 2016, 12:08:51 pm
woops


I'm familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias", you don't have to use small words. 
That's not what this is.
this is another example. i talk like that all the time always in any place
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 29, 2016, 12:57:22 pm
"Cave Johnson here. Just a reminder that the core goal of Aperture Gas-Finding Science is to find gas, so make sure you let us know if you see any. If we meet our quarterly gas-finding target, I promise you we will don our bondage gear, fuel our death cars, and drive around in circles, whooping it up and shooting arrows at people. Who is ready to rule the wasteland? Alright, start looking." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.1

schadd (3): Haddock, LaLight, McGarnacle
McGarnacle (1): silverspawn,
Roadrunner (2): schadd, PPS

Not Voting (3): RR, Archetype, J Reggie

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 29, 2016, 01:10:28 pm
hoping for Arch to be the voice of reason
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2016, 01:27:01 pm
hoping for Arch to be the voice of reason
Dude.
No need for the passive aggression.
I've conceded that I'm not going to convince you about schadd. What else do you suggest? I proposed macg and RR as alternatives.  LaLight remains a possibility.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 29, 2016, 01:34:06 pm
I didn't mean to be aggressive. But there is someone who I'm strongly suspecting is town at L-2 and the IC isn't doing anything. I was hoping to nudge him into taking a stance.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 29, 2016, 01:42:41 pm
I think LaLight is very suspicious. He seems totally different (less helpful) then he was in the other game I played with him. Other than that, I have no idea, but Haddock's case of Schadd seems good to me. Has there been a re-read of LaLight?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 29, 2016, 01:56:08 pm
Pretty sure I'm voting Haddock but that's okay it was a bit vote anyway that I could reason out with scum. He's clearly helpful today if nothing else.

For now Unvote
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 29, 2016, 01:56:25 pm
Bait not bit.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 29, 2016, 11:19:16 pm
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?

Well, I had thought that two of schadd, McGarnacle, and lalight are scum, but now you and ss are candidates.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 29, 2016, 11:20:01 pm
In my opinion, PPS is almost conf!town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 29, 2016, 11:20:48 pm
Also, wow. I just looked at the schadd wagon and I do not like it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 29, 2016, 11:22:34 pm
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 29, 2016, 11:59:53 pm
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 30, 2016, 01:44:39 am
Posting here. Sorry, I've been having a bit more spotty access than I anticipated. Thoughts from me should be coming soon, but keep talking.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 30, 2016, 11:09:32 am
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.

So, you were bussing for cred but backed out when it got real? What made you think he wasn't scum? Granted I didn't think he was either but the. I never did to begin with.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 30, 2016, 11:14:01 am
Oh, and then there's RR with his whole defending Jake thing. I could go either way on that, so I'd like to see a response from him to that case. Maybe he did and I missed it.
What do you want me to say? I thought Jake was scum then I changed my mind.

So, you were bussing for cred but backed out when it got real? What made you think he wasn't scum? Granted I didn't think he was either but the. I never did to begin with.
I think it was his 'desperation' type of stuff. He seemed sort of like a kicked puppy, he didn't know what he did wrong but he wanted to fix it
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 30, 2016, 11:14:56 am
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 30, 2016, 11:15:56 am
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 30, 2016, 11:16:20 am
I'm having a hard time not seeing RR as scum. vote: rr

Ftfm
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 30, 2016, 11:16:40 am
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

What do you mean?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 30, 2016, 11:17:31 am
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

What do you mean?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 30, 2016, 11:19:29 am
I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Do you think you can accurately read me?

What do you mean?
Do you have confidence in your ability to figure out whether I'm town or scum in any given game?

Obviously not, I mean look at newbie mafia, but this is just so obvious.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 30, 2016, 11:26:13 am
Also I realized Fargo was just trying to get into character by not posting. I mean, Chell never talks...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 30, 2016, 02:35:10 pm
"Thank you - I can't believe I'm thanking these people - for staggering your way through Aperture Science's propulsion gel testing. You've made some real contributions to society for a change, and for that, humanity is grateful. If you had any belongings, please pick them up now. We don't want old newspapers and sticks cluttering up the building." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.2

schadd (3): Haddock, LaLight, McGarnacle
McGarnacle (1): silverspawn,
Roadrunner (2): schadd, J Reggie

Not Voting (3): RR, Archetype, PPS

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 30, 2016, 04:02:39 pm
Well, I thought I had narrowed down my scum reads, but now I'm not so sure.
Care to be any more specific on that front?

Well, I had thought that two of schadd, McGarnacle, and lalight are scum, but now you and ss are candidates.
I do not like this.  But I'm trying to fight the OMGUS.  Do other people not like this?

I'm having a hard time not setting RR as scum. vote: rr
Too many people who are either conf!scum (ie. Jake) or quite scummy have been voting RR. 
That's starting to taste bad to me. 

Right now my reads go something like (scum to town)
schadd (yeah, yeah, beating a dead horse, but still)  > Reggie > Lalight = MacGarnacle > RR > PPS > silver >>>>>>Arch.

The dividing line between scum and town on that list is between RR and PPS. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 30, 2016, 04:55:33 pm
My reads:
schadd  > McGarnacle > RR > Haddock > PPS = Reggie  > silver >>>>>>Arch

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 07:35:32 am
where's everybody? Who are we gonna lynch?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 31, 2016, 09:33:40 am
where's everybody? Who are we gonna lynch?
My thoughts exactly.  I feel like only about two people are actually here and willing to contribute reads.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 09:38:09 am
Prod: Archetype
Prod: McGarnacle
Prod: Silverspawn
Prod: Schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 31, 2016, 10:19:51 am
Okay, so for me, the only 2 people who are all that suspicious are schadd (based on Haddock's re-read) and LaLight (based on the way he is so much less helpful then he was in Time Loops). I'll maybe do a full re-read of LaLight later.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 31, 2016, 10:23:15 am
I think I'm okay with lynching Schadd.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 31, 2016, 10:31:52 am
Okay, so for me, the only 2 people who are all that suspicious are schadd (based on Haddock's re-read) and LaLight (based on the way he is so much less helpful then he was in Time Loops). I'll maybe do a full re-read of LaLight later.
Much as I appreciate your agreement re. schadd, I find the fact that you're not even mentioning silver's response to my reread very suspicious.

I could totally lynch MacGarnacle here.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 11:38:23 am
I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 11:39:54 am
Alright. If Schadd's not happening, vote: McGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 11:43:43 am
Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 11:45:00 am
Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.

As I mentioned earlier, Schadd and McG are my top-2 scumreads. Voting for Schadd acomplished nothing, so I'm good with McG lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 11:46:19 am
Well I was finding McGarnacle scummy earlier. I'll have to read to figure out why that was.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 31, 2016, 11:46:35 am
I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 31, 2016, 11:47:59 am
OK, vote: MacGarnacle

This is L-1, I believe.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 11:51:18 am
Well, this wagon isn't composed entirely of my scum-reads, but I don't like the way lalight just jumped on it.
Totally agree.

I'm still down with the lynch though.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 11:52:48 am
I am also still awaiting RR's response to this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649933#msg649933).
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 12:00:34 pm
I will say I am fairly suspicious of PPS too. This response (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649939#msg649939) was much more in depth than I expected and reads like appealing to the IC. Also, during my reread, I found this:

Tell ya'll what. Imma hammer whoever gets to L-1. I love me some hammers.

That seems anti-town...

Maybe. These wagon run ups with no real intent are annoying. Besides I could be offline so it's like Russian roulette if someone goes L-1.

The question you have to ask is whether scum!PPS is just going to hammer Willy nilly like that.

To me, that doesn't seem like something Town would say. Then again, this is PPS, and he's done and said plenty of anti-town things like this in the past.

Why is the IC not giving reads? I'm not arguing just trying to get my head around it.
I felt like this as SK in mail-mi's last game when WW refused to give reads. WW wasn't an IC by any means, but it freaked me out a little because it made him unpredictable.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 31, 2016, 12:21:15 pm
I am also still awaiting RR's response to this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649933#msg649933).
I replied to pps and that's my response to your post
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 31, 2016, 12:35:12 pm
totally on board with McG. Much better than shadd.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Haddock on October 31, 2016, 12:41:35 pm
Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 01:10:47 pm
currently at rr > mcgarnacle > haddock > pps  = ss > j regg = lalight. and then archetype


  rr i talked about already
  mcg is a bit more than an inactivity lynch at this point, though my 7 posts request still stands. tentatively voted jake but then emphasized it (which i suppose is also what i did, though i didn't vote him) and then scumreads me (the nerve! and also he did it solely as an agreement with someone else) as well as lalight (see below)
  haddock did a big ol' scumread of me, which of course rubs me the wrong way, but it also has a perfectly fine town narrative - i can imagine my posts reading scummy/hedgy, it's just that i always talk like that i think
  pps is a doofus
  ss is townreading me. i noticed. because it has boiled down to "seems good"s, though, i am still cautious (see the end of ghibli)
  j reggie and lalight both seem quite different from ghibli to me - j reggie is less flustered and defensive, lalight is more of those. confident enough to trump lalight also doing mcgarnacle's okay-i-agree-with-haddock


so, stick em up, mcgarn
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 02:31:06 pm
Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.

aww...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 02:33:32 pm
Let's see if he has anything to say before anyone hammers.

aww...

+1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 02:33:44 pm
Seriously, though, I'm crushed at work this week until Friday and I cannot get into the game too much at all right now (should be free and clear afterwards, though). I'm unopposed to lynching just about anyone but me and Arch.

My response to Arch's uneasiness, is I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. You asked and I told you; excuse me for being forthright and forthcoming.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 02:34:47 pm
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 02:35:28 pm
I mean, we have till Saturday.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 02:36:49 pm
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 03:02:26 pm
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.

Where was Jake on McGlasnost?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 31, 2016, 04:16:43 pm
I'm a Vanilla Core. I admittedly haven't been very active for most of this game, but recently I think I was plenty active. I still think LaLight and Schadd are suspicious, but I'm starting to get a feeling that Haddock is behind an evil masterplan.

I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.

This feels REALLY scummy to me, and this kind of just-supporting-what-someone-else-says thing is one of the main things I was accused of. Also, he seemed to really quickly move to my wagon AFTER having posted this:

Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.

That's really all I have to say. Don't lynch me.

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 31, 2016, 04:17:55 pm
Anybody thinking McGiggles went to L-1 with interest in hammers way quick?

I'm not. Everyone thought he's scummy actually. Everyone picked from either RR/McG, Schadd/McG, me/McG. So when the wagon formed, everyone picked.

Where was Jake on McGlasnost?

I think he accused me after I accused him, but I can't remember.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 31, 2016, 04:41:24 pm
"You're not part of the control group, by the way. You get the gel. Last poor son of a gun got blue paint. Hahaha. All joking aside, that did happen - broke every bone in his legs. Tragic. But informative. Or so I'm told." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.3

schadd (1): McGarnacle
McGarnacle (4): silverspawn, Archetype, LaLight, Haddock {L-1}
Roadrunner (2): schadd, J Reggie

Not Voting (2): RR, PPS

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 04:46:32 pm
vote: MacGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:05:26 pm
I'm a Vanilla Core. I admittedly haven't been very active for most of this game, but recently I think I was plenty active. I still think LaLight and Schadd are suspicious, but I'm starting to get a feeling that Haddock is behind an evil masterplan.

I could go with McGarnacle as well. I'm suspecting a newbie team here and I've found its much more difficult to sub and get into a game as scum than town.

Vote: McGarnacle
I've had the exact same feeling.  I don't know why.
This feels REALLY scummy to me, and this kind of just-supporting-what-someone-else-says thing is one of the main things I was accused of. Also, he seemed to really quickly move to my wagon AFTER having posted this:

Ugh. Fine. Tomorrow I'll put together a full case on schadd.
It saddens me that other people haven't seen how obviously we need to lynch him.
That's really all I have to say. Don't lynch me.
agree that the first thing looks kinda weird (self-aware chuckle, etc.)
i don't think that he switched wagons very fast, though. he made it clear that he didn't think my wagon was going through, and you were sort of the global next-best. switching wagons is only weird if there isn't a town narrative behind it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 05:06:03 pm
Thats the hammer. McGarnacle, any last words before mail-mi locks the thread?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:13:41 pm
Well, I read McGarnacle and he's surprisingly null. I think he just got hammered though so let's hope he's scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:16:52 pm
lalight was voting him already
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:17:04 pm
Unless that was a fake hammer since it was spelled wrong.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:18:14 pm
lalight was voting him already

Ok cool. It's not the worst lynch, but I'd still prefer roadrunner. It seems no one else is willing to do that, so I'd be fine with hammering.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on October 31, 2016, 05:18:41 pm
"All these science spheres are made of asbestos, by the way. Keeps out the rats. Let us know if you feel a shortness of breath, a persistent dry cough or your heart stopping. Because that's not part of the test. That's asbestos. Good news is, the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show a median latency of forty-four point six years, so if you're thirty or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.4

schadd (1): McGarnacle
McGarnacle (4): silverspawn, Archetype, LaLight, Haddock {L-1}
Roadrunner (2): schadd, J Reggie

Not Voting (2): RR, PPS

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM FT on Saturday, November 5th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 05:18:57 pm
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:20:06 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 05:38:08 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?

He claimed already, why do you need to intent
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:40:09 pm
unambiguity
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: pingpongsam on October 31, 2016, 05:41:23 pm
Vote: McGarnacle
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:43:25 pm
oh
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:44:53 pm
Darn it PPS
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:45:36 pm
I was just setting up the pumpkins outside and PPS has to come and hammer.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 05:46:07 pm
I was just setting up the pumpkins outside and PPS has to come and hammer.

Consider yourself as priest
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:46:17 pm
pumpkin sam
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on October 31, 2016, 05:46:48 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?

He claimed already, why do you need to intent

Hmm, good point. I guess I'm just so used to it being the thing to do.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 05:47:04 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?
I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 05:47:20 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?

He claimed already, why do you need to intent

Hmm, good point. I guess I'm just so used to it being the thing to do.

You dropped the hammer and PPS was the one to rise it
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:47:37 pm
i keep liking the pps hammers because then i don't have to do a bunch of rereading that day but that is actually, upon further thought, a reason that i in fact don't like the pps hammers
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 05:48:28 pm
I'm likely to die tonight, but think RR may be town. He's almost too scummy to be scum.


I don't have firm enough reads besides that to want to influence Town.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 05:49:02 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?
I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on October 31, 2016, 05:50:46 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?
I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 05:51:16 pm
Actually, my first and only hammer was a derphammer that may have gotten me nightkilled. I'd like a more dignified one. intent

This is why we can't have nice things.

?
I was hoping to catch an admission from him that he was scum from the fakehammer.
oh, sorry. also sorry there were two vote counts immediately before and after
Yeah. I was hoping mail-mi wouldn't update the vote count. Oh well. It's worth a shot at least. I think that's what LaLight was trying to do.

Exactly.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 31, 2016, 06:38:23 pm
Well, I'm dead. Good job guys, you figured me out. A bit of lurking is a clear sign of a scum in any game. Actually, just kidding, I was town and I honestly don't know why you guys killed me. I suspect Haddock and Lalight.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: McGarnacle on October 31, 2016, 06:39:18 pm
Please, make sure my death was not in vain and get the last scum!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 08:22:41 pm
ok
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on October 31, 2016, 08:58:33 pm
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 10:12:47 pm
Wow, I woke up and still no flip
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 10:36:07 pm
good morning!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 10:36:47 pm
lets play dice roll war until then


Rolled 1d50 : 4, total 4
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 10:39:42 pm
Rolled 1d50 : 46, total 46
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 10:44:13 pm
jeez
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 10:44:27 pm
i don't wanna play anymore
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on October 31, 2016, 10:44:44 pm
You're scum now. I think I'm gonna sleep a couple of hours more actually
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: schadd on October 31, 2016, 10:45:38 pm
dang
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on November 01, 2016, 12:31:36 am
"Science isn't about WHY. It's about WHY NOT. Why is so much of our science dangerous? Why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you on the butt on the way out, because you are fired." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 3.final

schadd (1): McGarnacle
McGarnacle (5): silverspawn, Archetype, LaLight, Haddock, PPS.
Roadrunner (2): schadd, J Reggie

Not Voting (2): RR, PPS

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: mail-mi on November 01, 2016, 12:34:49 am
You guys have done it. Well done, seriously. The Mafia really thank you for all the help you've given them. That's what Mafia Member Name Here said for me to tell you, anyway.

McGarnacle has been lynched! He was a Vanilla Core!

Night 3 starts now and ends sometime between 12:30 PM FT on Wednesday, November 2nd and 12:30 AM FT on Thursday, November 3rd. Night actions are due at 11:30 PM on Wednesday, November 2nd.

THREAD LOCKED
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: mail-mi on November 02, 2016, 04:31:23 pm
I apologize, I misremembered when the deadlines were. Some of you have already received results for your actions. If your actions have already been submitted, they are unchangeable. If they haven't, you may still sumbit actions up until the deadline.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: mail-mi on November 03, 2016, 01:00:06 am
I'm excited. It's almost over. I think I'm going to throw a party when this is all done. A cake party. With cake, and all your friends will be invited.

I sincerely hope you'll be able to attend.


Haddock has been killed! He was the Curiosity Core!

Day 4 starts now and ends at 1:00 AM on Sunday, November 13th.

THREAD UNLOCKED!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on November 03, 2016, 01:04:45 am
"Greetings, friend. I'm Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Science. Now, you might be asking yourself, 'Cave, just how difficult are these tests? What was in that phone book of a contract I signed? Am I in danger?' Let me answer those questions with a question: Who wants to make sixty dollars? Cash." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (7): RR, silverspawn, LaLight, schadd, PPS, Archetype, J Reggie

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at 1:00 AM FT on Sunday, November 13th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: J Reggie on November 03, 2016, 01:05:37 am
vote: mini mart losing the World Series is scummy
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:37:50 am
And NOW i vote: schadd because there's absolutely no reason Haddock didn't tunnel him D3 if schadd is not a scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 01:43:16 am
:X:X:X that scuks
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:44:43 am
and yes, I'm aware there's a psychotrooper, but I don't think it was used so late.
Gone to reread Haddock.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:45:54 am
And NOW i vote: schadd because there's absolutely no reason Haddock didn't tunnel him D3 if schadd is not a scum.

I confused some double negatives. But i hope you got it, Haddock tunnelled schadd => schadd's scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:47:16 am
And there are 2 more scums, btw, not one.

There are a lot of people I don't want to lynch today, such as

shadd
LaLight
RR
Archetype
ss

That only leaves PPS, J Reggie, Haddock, McGarnacle

Wasn't there something important happening around McG?
This is an awful awful list.

I very much do want to vote: schadd
He's been incredibly scummy from minute one.

This is the first Haddock's post D3.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 01:50:55 am
First post of day 2:

and yes, I'm aware there's a psychotrooper, but I don't think it was used so late.
Gone to reread Haddock.

PPE: 1

First post of day 1:

About to get on a train, more later.
But right now, calling a
Jake/lalight/schadd
scumteam.

Might not have been late.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 01:52:54 am
Meaning day 2.

We only have two results. I think we can conclude that the guilty result was on shadd. Probably lynching is the best option.

But I wanna know what it was on day 1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 01:53:11 am
... meaning Nigh 1, bleh.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 01:53:25 am
Meaning Night
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:54:01 am
looks like his N1 action missed actually. He didn't protect anyone hard and didn't accuse.

PPE: 3 (answering your question)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:54:56 am
When I say "missed" i mean like he copped SA for example.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:56:56 am
guys, there's still 5 towns. We can do it! even been losing every PR.

Also, Arch, congratulations! I've never seen the IC who's still alive D4 :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 01:57:56 am
And there's ine more thought. It seems Scum team has a flavor cop. They don't kill IC but are killing town PR one by one. And Flavor cop means we have a Roleblocker somewhere yay
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 03:08:53 am
Could be.

Does the Goon flip prove that there can't be all modifications? Not sure how they are attributed toward scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:12:15 am
Could be.

Does the Goon flip prove that there can't be all modifications? Not sure how they are attributed toward scum.

On flip we weren't told what modifications it had. Since we had Watcher and Tracker, Jake was 1-shot Ninja 2-shot Rolestopper but we weren't told that, so it's non-informative.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 03:16:43 am
Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:19:31 am
Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:20:48 am
Town points to Silver here. He's not much into the game which is sad but quite ICs him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 03:24:25 am
Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.

?

The IC is the prime target barring hard information about PRs. A doctor increases the odds of him being protected, which makes him a worse target, which decreases the odds of him being targeted. He hasn't been targeted, therefore the odds of a doctor increase.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:26:24 am
Ah, I see.

In that case the fact that they IC keeps not being shot could also imply a doctor.

Man, that's not the case or there'll be no kill at all. We don't have any signs doctor exists.

?

The IC is the prime target barring hard information about PRs. A doctor increases the odds of him being protected, which makes him a worse target, which decreases the odds of him being targeted. He hasn't been targeted, therefore the odds of a doctor increase.

Oh now i see! Sorry. Also this means we can have all 5 modifications and Jack's townslip was not townslip. Also this means we can not to be afraid of Cop Enabler any more.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 08:28:05 am
Yeah I was thinking that too. Jake probably scumslipped.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 03, 2016, 10:05:12 am
Yeah I was thinking that too. Jake probably scumslipped.
Definitely
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 03, 2016, 10:37:54 am
mcgarnacle's might have just been a town wagon; i don't know that anyone at all was against it other than mcg himself. that said, saying that you're gonna reread everything later in the week (and suggesting that the wagon formed too quickly) but then hammering later in the day, a week before the deadline, on somebody that was scummy yet sorta inactive, is totally textbook scummy and that pushes me over the edge a good bit


vote: pps

in the meantime, crudbutts. uh, i would ask, when would you psychotroop if not n1 or n2?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 10:40:04 am
mcgarnacle's might have just been a town wagon; i don't know that anyone at all was against it other than mcg himself. that said, saying that you're gonna reread everything later in the week (and suggesting that the wagon formed too quickly) but then hammering later in the day, a week before the deadline, on somebody that was scummy yet sorta inactive, is totally textbook scummy and that pushes me over the edge a good bit


vote: pps

in the meantime, crudbutts. uh, i would ask, when would you psychotroop if not n1 or n2?

N1, not N2.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 03, 2016, 10:45:11 am
I don't think the odds of doing it n1 are that much higher than night 2 because of WIFOM. It's a self regulating behavior.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 10:47:00 am
I don't think the odds of doing it n1 are that much higher than night 2 because of WIFOM. It's a self regulating behavior.

Well, yeah, but I'm inclined to believe Haddock and that schadd is scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 3
Post by: Archetype on November 03, 2016, 11:42:56 am
guys, there's still 5 towns. We can do it! even been losing every PR.

Also, Arch, congratulations! I've never seen the IC who's still alive D4 :)
Don't congratulate me, congratulate your scumbuddies!

Definitely agree we should be going off of Haddock's read. I'll need to take a closer look at them.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 03, 2016, 02:34:28 pm
Well this sucks. I was hoping for a cop claim today and for us to figure out which two results were true. Now we really don't have any idea what his results were, right? Like there's no way to know when psychotrooper was used?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:07:20 pm
Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 03, 2016, 03:18:30 pm
Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?

I think that's a bad reason to lynch schadd. But luckily it's not the only reason to lynch schadd.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 03:24:07 pm
Yep, I guess so :( was waiting for it too.

So, @JReggie, @Arch, others, what do you think of lynching Schadd based on Haddock's tunneling?

I think that's a bad reason to lynch schadd. But luckily it's not the only reason to lynch schadd.

Exactly
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 03, 2016, 04:17:20 pm
Intent to hammer schadd.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 04:18:31 pm
Intent to hammer schadd.

Wat
He has one vote :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 03, 2016, 04:20:57 pm
vote: schadd
If he flips town I'm gunning for LaLight. 100% chance one of them is scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 03, 2016, 04:21:22 pm
PPS and silverspawn are probably scum too though.

Man, I really bet ss is scum
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 03, 2016, 04:29:12 pm
Are you serious? Someone unvote.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 03, 2016, 04:30:07 pm
Are you serious? Someone unvote.
Why tho
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 03, 2016, 04:30:17 pm
Are you serious? Someone unvote.

There's two votes, what happened?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 03, 2016, 04:45:27 pm
Nevermind. I saw the intent to hammer and figured he was at L-1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 03, 2016, 08:10:12 pm
I'm fine with lynching schadd, but we should give him time to claim. At this point, claims are verifiable.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 03, 2016, 08:10:25 pm
Intent to hammer schadd.

Wat
He has one vote :)

Correct, well then it was, he has 2 now so he is effectively L-1 now. I think he is defscum so I have no qualms voting him but I want the hammer so I called dibs on it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 03, 2016, 08:13:43 pm
Hmm, I missed that RR was on the schadd wagon. I doubt that he busses this much. I need to think about this.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 04, 2016, 09:10:33 pm
pps


108 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg646735#msg646735) they were both town, lool
113 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg646768#msg646768) taking an mile from an inch. he does this a lot, which i would read sorta towny early on (trying to do stuff) and less so later
165 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647021#msg647021) i already responded to in a huff (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647117#msg647117) (which i did for quite a few things)
205 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647092#msg647092) was quoted in the huffing[ton] post. this is a silly attitude, what you say ≅ what you do in this game
273 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647665#msg647665) huff huff huff huff (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647853#msg647853)
279 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647674#msg647674) thanks!
282 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647681#msg647681) was right about the jake wagon (4) and probably wrong about lalight (5). also, makes me realize that the policy bullies people into claiming before they maybe should, which is especially spooky considering that scum have been able to nail 3 for 3 PRs
295 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg647754#msg647754) i almost think that he realized how silly it is and is trying to get people to stop talking about it (it's "obvious," also "clear" as he says later)
356 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648022#msg648022) in this and several posts around it he tosses around a scumread of me and then...
392 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648251#msg648251) i'm his top townread. uh not a fan. townreads jake, which is uh also very odd considering that like everyone else is "would lynch" (and it uh makes me very uncomfortable there are exactly two people that he townread and that one of them is confscum and one of them is me)
369 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648051#msg648051) at least he is defending jake here in a way that he didn't me
525 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648539#msg648539) blegh. so, he did the thing he said he was gonna do, but that thing was generally a bad thing and this was a bad outcome, but also the guy was gonna self-hammer anyway (and a conftown would have as well). so i don't think this was a big deal, but i would say that it has a narrowly stronger scum narrative than town
561 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg648918#msg648918) is silly. defends jake (lmao) and mcgarn (whom he would later hammer d3, which is a ways away but still)
676 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649213#msg649213) is just a big ol untrimmed hedge. i think it's especially gross that he used the "let's wait it out" argument that he would then totally ignore with mcgarnacle
683 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649313#msg649313) reading very deep into the number 4
684 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649326#msg649326) pushes a conftown, but confusing PRs (especially the informative ones) with scum seems like a somewhat common town thing (judging from ghibli)
717 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649422#msg649422) probably the strongest point against the lynch, but for sorta the same reason as the calamitas hammer it doesn't mean all that much. the potential reasoning behind it for scum is kinda hard to figure out (hammer but hedge in entirety on robz, wifom, etc), but i think that it wouldn't be very controversial for either alignment (as rr said, 1 scum in 2 lynches is a pretty good deal) and there was only like an hour between robz's claim and the lynch, so opportunity was also quite important.
770 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649870#msg649870) the aforementioned later. and i was a strong townread of yours d1, bub
782 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649893#msg649893) describing your scum behavior is no good
795 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649939#msg649939) uh sorta town? i only sorta understand the reasoning but talking a lot about it is too easy to mess up as scum i would think
843 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg650304#msg650304) oh ok guys. his vote (on the person who would later be revealed the cop, which i doubt town!pps could have figured out) was only a bait vote
889 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg650836#msg650836) i mean this is so bad. i'm worried that people aren't reading into this very much because it's such an obviously scum play, to which i would warn you, pps is the brashest scum player on f.ds. and apparently an experienced one at that. to get the facts straight, he's all like "hey how did the mcg wagon shoot up so fast (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg650787#msg650787)!? there's so much day left (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg650789#msg650789) and i can't be active atm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg650786#msg650786)" and then he hammers him later with no articulated position.


i think i like my vote where it is, in conclusion
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 04, 2016, 11:36:15 pm
Alright, I'm down with a schadd lynch. I think thats the most rational explanation for who Haddock investigated.

I think PPS could be scum too. Haddock talked about him a little bit. I think as a general rule, the people who Haddock didn't really talk about are likely Town (so, like, RR and J Reggie). Why cast suspicion on people you know to be Town?

For a personal read, I think SS has a decent chance of being scum. He just doesn't seem to have posted much content like he using does.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 04, 2016, 11:43:30 pm
If schadd flips town I will be completely flabbergasted, speechless even. I can also see scum ss but I feel about him the same as I did Haddock and I was clearly way wrong there. The difference being my odds of being wrong are falling by the minute.

Feel good about JR and bad about LL. Toss up on LL and ss. Prefer ss. But schadd is the clear winner of the vote today.

As for a response to schadd's frameup; I wish I could play this good of a scum game as a scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 05, 2016, 01:08:15 am
Hey guys. My cat has a possible case of lily poisoning (yes this is a very serious thing) and I've been dealing with that for hours. I don't know how much energy I'll be able to put into this game until tomorrow or the day after. I think we lynch either schadd or RR and if one flips town then lynch the other. Sorry I won't be around to cast votes much.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 05, 2016, 03:32:54 am
I'm like sure that Schadd and PPS are scum now.
Let's lynch Schadd plz
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 05, 2016, 08:42:12 am
Hmm, somehow I missed that RR was still in the game. Jake, tho.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 05:38:08 am
are we stuck or are we not
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 06, 2016, 08:02:04 am
I don't think so. We lynch schadd and then figure out tomorrow if we should lynch LL or SS.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 08:21:02 am
I don't think so. We lynch schadd and then figure out tomorrow if we should lynch LL or SS.

Yes, but we don't lynch schadd and I went to sleep yesterday, woke up and no one wrote anything. Are we wating for schadd's claim?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 06, 2016, 10:32:37 am
I thought we were waiting on another vote...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 10:34:53 am
I thought we were waiting on another vote...

That too, of course :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 06, 2016, 10:36:27 am
I'd like schadd to claim so someone (*cough* PPS *cough*) doesn't hammer him.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 10:38:59 am
vt
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 11:07:03 am
vt

Oh of course
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 06, 2016, 11:18:59 am
I don't really love that
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 06, 2016, 12:28:10 pm
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 12:38:36 pm
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.

But do you understand, that if anyone now will come and say he's VT (and we assume there's 3 VT at all) then scum will know all the players who are PR. So VT is not only safe but gives scum much of the info!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 06, 2016, 12:39:04 pm
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.
Or WIFOM.

But schadd is newb scum, so...
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 12:39:17 pm
If we assume that all 5 PRs are present, no claim is "safe". However, it would still be better to claim a PR in order to out the respective town PR (unless scum already has full information?)

Could be a sign of town, or of noob!scum.

But do you understand, that if anyone now will come and say he's VT (and we assume there's 3 VT at all) then scum will know all the players who are PR. So VT is not only safe but gives scum much of the info!

Sorry for grammar.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 12:50:39 pm
oh i returned to see when the day ends and found out that it ends on my birthday, nice :)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 06, 2016, 03:31:29 pm
vote: schadd if he flips town lynch rr.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 06, 2016, 03:32:32 pm
vote: schadd if he flips town lynch LaLight
FTFY
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
don't lynch lalight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 06, 2016, 03:51:40 pm
don't lynch lalight

Is he your scum buddy?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 03:53:16 pm
don't lynch lalight

Is he your scum buddy?

Total WIFOM
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 03:54:56 pm
schadd is on L-1 now btw.
Waiting for PPS and stuff
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 04:04:27 pm
don't lynch lalight

Is he your scum buddy?

Total WIFOM
uh, no, it's me being town and disagreeing with rr
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 04:06:31 pm
also the pps thing seems especially stupid when it's on me. and uh i don't like that lalight is excitedly waiting on it, and i would dislike it for either alignment of his
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 05:09:31 pm
also the pps thing seems especially stupid when it's on me. and uh i don't like that lalight is excitedly waiting on it, and i would dislike it for either alignment of his
Well, I'm like 99% sure you're scum, so this is it, sorry.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on November 06, 2016, 05:19:26 pm
"If you're interested in an additional sixty dollars, flag down a test associate and let 'em know. You could walk out of here with a hundred and twenty weighing down your bindle if you let us take you apart, put some science stuff in you, then put you back together good as new." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 4.1

schadd (3): LaLight, RR, J Reggie {L-1}
PPS (1): schadd,

Not Voting (3): silverspawn, PPS, Archetype

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at 1:00 AM FT on Sunday, November 13th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 06, 2016, 05:24:54 pm
Actually unvote. I want to hammer.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 05:52:12 pm
oh, fuff
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 06:39:25 pm
Actually unvote. I want to hammer.

So, if I'm getting it right, you want to hammer and PPS will only hammer so this is like a dead end.

Actually, this is huge scum point to JReggie. He voted Schadd (maybe looked into is PPS online) to bus and seem more town later but then unvoted with no actual reason knowing that PPS will only hammer and not vote, so now we won't lynch Schadd again.

Now it's schadd/JR team that seems really possible. Can anyone confirm my suspicions?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 06, 2016, 06:40:11 pm
Also, where's Silver?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 07:46:59 pm
Actually unvote. I want to hammer.

So, if I'm getting it right, you want to hammer and PPS will only hammer so this is like a dead end.

Actually, this is huge scum point to JReggie. He voted Schadd (maybe looked into is PPS online) to bus and seem more town later but then unvoted with no actual reason knowing that PPS will only hammer and not vote, so now we won't lynch Schadd again.

Now it's schadd/JR team that seems really possible. Can anyone confirm my suspicions?
i mean, if pps would only do the vote if it were a hammer, then it's a bad vote anyway
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 06, 2016, 08:50:45 pm
Ok fine if no one else will vote, then vote: schadd. I'll get that hammer someday.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 09:03:49 pm
i mean, there's hardly been enough time to draw that conclusion
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 10:43:54 pm
i hate how much this feels like when people are sitting around and waiting for a flip. like, i imagine pps steps in and hammers and it's like, haha whatever, that's the pps thing, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, and everyone that's on wagon just says "yeah, i did it because of the haddock thing" and that
it was really just the obvious town play.
and there's still like a week left in the day and not very many different people have been vocal, and next to no one has presented any distinctive cases/reads, nor considered the possibility that psychotrooper happened on one of the two nights that it's by farthe most likely to happen. really, the last while has just felt like people making nonarguments/discussing the implications of my flip and creating a sort of illusion of unanimity



i had a strong townread on lalight because the big scummy thing he did in ghibli was hurrying along lynches and being 'frustrated' when other people don't do it, and such had been largely absent this game. but considering that a couple posts where he did that have been sitting here recently, i'm turning back on the read. i posted a quick townread of him because it seemed like i was just gonna die and i should say something before the hammer. i really don't like that i felt like that
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 06, 2016, 10:44:58 pm
Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 06, 2016, 11:10:49 pm

here is the sorta stuff that i'm thinking about, from ghibli
IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
...while the wagons were on spaceanemone (which i would say was intuitive but not really thoroughly thought through) and j reggie (was scum). sa got lynched. lalight hadn't really made any case against sa to speak of, and in fact our IC was on j r, but people sorta stuck on sa


Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
at lylo, joseph was my top read at the time (and town :L) and after this i was sorta tempted to vote for him, before everyone had gone around and reread. j regg was my more empirical read that i might have come around to, and gkrieg was my top town read that i might have reconsidered based on how weird his readposts were.


this isn't saying that lalight is scum, but he proved good at sorta pushing me (and seemingly some other people) towards misynches under the radar as scum. so beware, he has been talking a lot today
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 12:12:28 am
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 07, 2016, 12:14:00 am
Good night  ;)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 12:18:20 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 12:29:10 am
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 07, 2016, 12:36:00 am
Why are you doing this lalight? Like, are you trying to sound scummy?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 12:42:30 am
Why are you doing this lalight? Like, are you trying to sound scummy?

No, i don't! That's just a thought that stroke me in the morning
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 12:47:34 am
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
are you familiar with the concept of clickbait?

Yup :) i was in the bed with the phone and understood i need a computer to write the long post.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 05:49:36 am
Actually you can look at me tunneling PPS hard after scumslip in NM8. That's the very same thing I'm doing now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 07, 2016, 06:49:51 am
OMG staup just tell us
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 07:38:18 am
OMG staup just tell us

Wha?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 07, 2016, 08:42:55 am
And now i realised one very bad thing. I will try to explain it and everyone needs to listen really carefully.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 08:46:23 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1

This
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 07, 2016, 10:00:00 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1

This

I think you overestimate the certainty. While you are a top scumread for me I am equally if not ore so suspicious of ss. Not to mention much of the concern you express for yourself I feel for myself.

That said, it seems very odd to be positioning yourself so strongly today when you are not the one everyone is keen to lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 07, 2016, 10:04:15 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1

This
This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?

That was too much hype. I thought PPS scumslipped.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 10:05:43 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1

This

I think you overestimate the certainty. While you are a top scumread for me I am equally if not ore so suspicious of ss. Not to mention much of the concern you express for yourself I feel for myself.

That said, it seems very odd to be positioning yourself so strongly today when you are not the one everyone is keen to lynch.

Maybe I'm overestimating it, you're right. But I do what I did in Newbie and at least three people now say I'm scum (you, RR, JR)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 10:07:03 am
If (and only if) schadd is town I lost us the game. Because the next day we will be at LyLo and now everyone thinks I'm scum so there will be like quickhammer in the first 5 minutes of the 5th day and scum will win.

Guys. I know I looked bad this day with pushing this lynch, but srsly Schadd was my top scumread and Haddock tunnelled him and then Haddock flipped cop so what else do we need? Yes, now Schadd is playing REALLY townie and that's because he's practically dead. But I ask you to look objectively and not be deceived.

tl/dr Schadd is scum. In the rare case he is not, don't lynch me, this only means I was mistaken. Nothing else.

PPE: 1

This
This is the super important thing that we have to listen really carefully to?

That was too much hype. I thought PPS scumslipped.

Oh I'm sorry it was not so important :) I was afraid Schadd will be lynched, for some strange coincidence flip town and I will be quickhammered the next day and we'll lose, so it was important for me then.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 07, 2016, 10:18:08 am
And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 10:24:09 am
And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?

That would be unforgiveably bad play, sorry. I'm still sure he's scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 10:27:15 am
And do you realize it sounds like you know he's town and want to make an excuse so we don't lynch you tomorrow?

Now I see. Okay. I didn't even think you should think that. All I wanted to do was to make sure we don't lose. Come on! I'm not so newb, really! We can't be 100% sure Schadd is scum, but as I mentioned some times earlier he has a good probability to be one.

God I didn't even realise you would think I made this post being scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 07, 2016, 12:03:26 pm
Vote: shadd. That's L-1.

I think we should go ahead and lynch schadd. Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum. He's been towny now, but he's about to die anyway. I think LaLight latest posts are scummy - regardless of what schadd's alignment is. It could be a way to distance himself from a Town lynch as scum or earn some towncred knowing that schadd will flip scum but he's his partner.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 07, 2016, 12:03:54 pm
*Vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 12:07:03 pm
Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 07, 2016, 01:13:29 pm
Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 07, 2016, 01:13:50 pm
*would be
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 01:15:11 pm
Haddock's behavior the previous day doesn't really make that much sense if schadd isn't scum.
uh, yes it does, because of psychotrooper. cop can get a false positive. his behavior really doesn't make sense if he didn't get a scum result from copping me but that's it
I find it unlikely that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used this late in the game.
the two nights that preceded haddock's tunneling of me were N1 and N2
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: LaLight on November 07, 2016, 01:18:41 pm
I'm Quite sure it was used N1, it's the most useful in N1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 01:24:34 pm
because, ofc, claiming cop d2 is a very good idea and the n1 cop is the one that people would be the most confident about
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 07, 2016, 01:30:58 pm
If you look at past iterations of the setup, Psychotrooper is typically used N1. WIFOM and all that might make that not to be the case, but I think that's the safest choice unless there is a Cop Enabler. Based on Haddock's tunneling of you, he either investigated someone earlier in the game who flipped the opposite alignment (confirming the psychotrooper uses earlier) or he figured that the psychotrooper wouldn't be used that late. Haddock is a good enough player that I'll take his case assessment for what it is.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 01:51:18 pm
cool. vote: schadd
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: schadd on November 07, 2016, 01:52:25 pm
whoof! that was fun
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 07, 2016, 02:17:07 pm
Was that a self hammer? I have no idea what that says about his alignment. If he's scum it probably means his partner is on the wagon, as he would want to give his partner a chance to hammer for town cred. But then again maybe it's just a newb thing. If he's town he just wants to confirm his alignment and end the pointless discussion.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on November 07, 2016, 02:20:52 pm
"Thank you - I can't believe I'm thanking these people - for staggering your way through Aperture Science's propulsion gel testing. You've made some real contributions to society for a change, and for that, humanity is grateful." - Cave Johnson

Vote Count 4.final

schadd (4): LaLight, J Reggie, Archetype, schadd
LaLight (1): RR

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, PPS

With 7 alive it took 4 to lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: mail-mi on November 07, 2016, 02:26:13 pm
Are you excited for your surprise? Because I am. It's going to be great for one of all of us.

schadd has been lynched! He was the Anger Core!

Night 4 starts now and ends sometime between 2:30 AM on Tuesday, November 8th and 2:30 PM on Wednesday, November 9th. Night actions are due at 1:30 AM on Tuesday, November 8th.

THREAD LOCKED.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: mail-mi on November 09, 2016, 11:59:34 am
I must say, all you good cores are really really good at at least one thing:

Getting disassembled.


LaLight has been killed! He was the Space Core!

Day 5 starts now and ends at 12:00 PM FT on Wednesday, November 16th.

THREAD UNLOCKED
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi on November 09, 2016, 12:03:55 pm
"For god's sake, you're BOXES with LEGS! It's, it's literally your only purpose! Walking onto buttons! How can you not do the one thing you were designed for?!" - Wheatley

Vote Count 5.0

Not Voting (5): RR, silverspawn, PPS, Archetype, J Reggie

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 5 ends at 12:00 PM FT on Wednesday, November 16th.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 09, 2016, 12:04:00 pm
Dangit. LaLight was pretty much conf!Town after that. That's probably why he died, but it sucks he was our Tracker 2.0 too.

That's awesome schadd flipped scum though.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 12:11:47 pm
So if people actually believe I'm town this might be winnable.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 12:22:46 pm
I am a Roleblocker.

Night 1 I targeted Space
Night 2 I targeted shadd
Night 3 I targeted PPS

PPS is an IC.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 12:24:09 pm
Scum is RR or J Reggie. We have enough time to lynch both.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 12:28:40 pm
Ok cool, PPS is IC.  I townread him anyway.  LaLight was my top scumread though.  So either RR is scum or SS is lying.  I'm leaning towards RR being scum.  vote: RR
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 12:32:09 pm
I thought PPS was the most scumread one, hence the target.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 09, 2016, 01:39:40 pm
Oh wow, that's nice. I'd like to see SS's reasoning for his other two targets.
.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 09, 2016, 01:40:23 pm
Also kind of suspicious he claimed RB...I thought he had a decent chance of being scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:14:41 pm
Actually, we have to lynch RR today.  I have a plan. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 02:25:11 pm
Oh wow, that's nice. I'd like to see SS's reasoning for his other two targets.
.


I usually target townreads as RB because scum usually lets the towniest person do the NK

So yeah I did actually townread shadd. That was real. And then I had my innocent result on top of it.

SA also a townread

Tonight was different, then, because there's only one scum left. Now the RB is basically a cop result, so I factored who I thought was scum and who I thought would be mislynched as town and PPS was both.

My reads are probably garbage though, so even though the logic of those targets is good I think, they're still dependent on reads ... and so probably pretty random
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:42:06 pm
Pretty bold play by silverspawn if he is scum. I dig it.

My reads have been awful all game long (except schadd who was clearly scum). I was certain it was either lalight or silverspawn today. I was also certain either I or Arch were dead last night. Clearly scum is killing the PRs and there were many. Scum would then know what fake claim to cook up today. However, does scum create an IC? That makes no sense at all because we get 2 shots at finding scum and having 2 ICs makes it almost impossible to screw that up, right? We'd have to mislynch today and then lose Arch tonight and then it's me, SS, and the leftover tomorrow. The leftover would have to be convinced I was scum over SS then and that's not likely.

So, it's either JR or RR from where I am standing and we have two shots at getting it right.

Is my logic sound, here?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:42:52 pm
By the way I think it's JR but I need to do some quick rereading. I suspected him early on and it seems I remember RR tunneling Jake hard and early beyond simple bussing.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:43:55 pm
Also JR getting a quick vote on RR when voting right now is bad deal until we all weigh in looks scummy.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:46:07 pm
Oh yeah, and if we whiff today and SS RBs the other it's confirmed... so I think we are pretty much going to win.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:47:56 pm
One more crazy thought. SS is scum. He claims RB (I'm not even trying to parse the setup, that always gets me killed). He convinces us to mislynch a townie today. He refuses NK tonight and we are convinced to kill another townie tomorrow. That night he NKs one of the ICs. Boom, he wins. Right?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:48:24 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:49:02 pm
My plan should be failsafe unless you lynch me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:49:49 pm
One more crazy thought. SS is scum. He claims RB (I'm not even trying to parse the setup, that always gets me killed). He convinces us to mislynch a townie today. He refuses NK tonight and we are convinced to kill another townie tomorrow. That night he NKs one of the ICs. Boom, he wins. Right?

Ignoring any setup holes this actually works out so we have to distrust the RB claim to some extent.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:51:01 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 02:52:12 pm
Can we just kill J Reggie? If we don't I'll probably die then the town will be sad.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:52:22 pm
I'm inclined to lynch JR today because I believe SS more than I don't and then lynch SS tomorrow. If RR is scum he laughs all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:53:05 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 02:53:16 pm
So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:54:05 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:54:35 pm
So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 02:55:29 pm
So PPS is 100% an IC, right? There are no edge cases?

Edge case is SS is town but totally lying.
Yeah I think I'm gonna trust SS on this one
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 02:55:45 pm
Or could he be scum?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:55:54 pm
Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:56:40 pm
Or could he be scum?

Yes, SS could be scum. I'm still an IC as a result because there are not 2 scum left. But the big problem I'm chewing on right now is the one where SS is scum and we all die believing his RB claim.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:56:48 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:57:24 pm
Can someone who is good at setups tell me if the RB claim is a super duper strong one, as in there must be one because we already flipped the alternating scum role? If so, no counterclaim is paramount to credibility.

Scum roles don't flip with their powers.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 02:57:47 pm
@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 02:59:05 pm
@J Reggie if you're so confident why don't we switch you and me in your plan?

Because you might be scum.  I know I'm town, so lynching you is 100% better than lynching me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 02:59:18 pm
So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 02:59:33 pm
er, didn't mean to bold the rest
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 02:59:49 pm
Ok, since I'm sure SS wouldn't be dumb enough as scum not to do this, I'll just say it.  We lynch RR today.  If he flips scum, we win, great.  If he flips town, SS is forced to no-kill during the night or else he outs himself as scum.  Then we have 4 left with 2 ICs, which is really good.

no sir. When he refuses to NK he claims he RB'd you, we will kill you. then he NKs the next night and wins.

Why would you do that though?

Because the claim looks pretty legit if no NK happens.

But that's the thing.  We've discussed this.  Say RR does flip town.  We know that SS has to no-kill, or else he insta-loses.  There is literally no way to go wrong from my perspective.

You are not thinking this through because you are dense or because you are scum hoping for one more day?

Let me spell it out for you.

PPS, Arch, JR, RR, SS
say we mislynch RR
PPS, Arch, JR, SS
no nk cuz SS calims he RB'd JR
we mislynch JR
PPS, Arch, SS
SS NK's Arch
Game Over
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:01:31 pm
So -- if we mislynch today, we're 4. Blocking scum then doesn't really do anything, because scum will no-kill for sure.

But there might be something, it depends on how this is ruled...

How are deliberate no-kill -> deliberate nolnych cycles handled, if they start with a no-kill?

The hope is this: if it is ruled in such a way that no-one can no-X three times, in a row, then I can IC myself. This is how it'd work in detail

1. We Lynch Town [now we're 4 with one scum]
2. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [first no-kill]
3. we no-lynch [first no-lynch]
4. I RB scum, scum no-kills, you suspect I might be scum no-killing [second no-kill]
5. we no-lynch [second no-lynch]
 >> Now Scum can no longer submit No-kill <<
6. I RB scum, scum tries to shoot, no-one dies. Now you know I am an IC because, as scum, I'd have had to kill someone. I can't RB myself to prevent the kill
7. We lynch scum and win

See, setup stuff... I presume we can no-lynch x times iteratively and scum can no nk x times iteratively and we exhaust them before they exhaust us in the most precious of race conditions?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 03:02:46 pm
^ that's the accurate tl;dr
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:04:54 pm
I risked my neck and read the setup stuff and saw things about nolynch but not a limit and nothing about nokill, especially not limits.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:06:31 pm
If SS is correct I say we do that.  It's a guaranteed win. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 03:07:45 pm
Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:09:21 pm
Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days. 
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 09, 2016, 03:10:12 pm
Or, or, this might sound crazy guys but just hear me out:

We lynch J Reggie and win.

Only way that works for you is if you're town or the no-lynch no-kill thing works differently.  Otherwise you'll be conf!scum in a few days.
I meet at least one of the conditions you stated above.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:11:12 pm
OMG I'm reading the setup, watch out...

So we've seen a turret and an anger core out of scum.

We've seen Rick and Doug from town. Rick and Doug both resolve to Turrets from Scum. Anger core from scum resolves to either Roleblocker or Doctor from town.

So, a Doctor counterclaim refutes SS's Roleblocker claim. As we know the remaining scum must be a Turret.

If we have a Doctor or a Roleblocker we need that claim now. Otherwise I think SS must be the truth.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:12:21 pm
If we can truly trust SS's claim (and it looks like we can) then we are on easy street. If we get a counterclaim I say we lynch the new claimant anyhow and if they flip town then we know to kill SS and we still win.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:12:38 pm
What?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:13:07 pm
I think you're reading the setup wrong PPS.  The remaining scum has to be Cave Johnson.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:13:23 pm
What?
What are you whatting?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:13:45 pm
What?
What are you whatting?
I think you're reading the setup wrong PPS.  The remaining scum has to be Cave Johnson.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:14:41 pm
Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:15:32 pm
Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).

That doesn't matter though.  There's only one of each flavor except Vanilla Core.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:15:41 pm
So, it's possible for Town to have more PRs than there are scum??
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:16:43 pm
Oh, LL flipped Space Core... not in the lineup spoilers yet (neither is schadd, btw).

That doesn't matter though.  There's only one of each flavor except Vanilla Core.

No, there are two turrets; Mods 3 and 4 (and we've seen Doug and Rick which is why i said there are 2 turrets)
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:17:04 pm
So, it's possible for Town to have more PRs than there are scum??

Yes.  The scum PRs can double up, the town ones can't.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2016, 03:17:15 pm
Look, setups are beyond me, I don't know why I even try.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:26:06 pm
Let's just wait for the mod to confirm SS's theory.  If so, my plan gives us a 100% win rate even with the contingency that I am scum.  There's literally no reason not to do it.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:30:53 pm
Let's just wait for the mod to confirm SS's theory.  If so, my plan gives us a 100% win rate even with the contingency that I am scum.  There's literally no reason not to do it.

Well I guess if I were scum it wouldn't be "us" then, but you know what I mean.  Town is guaranteed a win with this plan.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 03:31:24 pm
And I just have to take the 111th post.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: mail-mi on November 09, 2016, 03:57:30 pm
I'll rule as I ruled in Rewind Mafia. After no-kill, no-lynch, no-kill, town must lynch. After no-lynch, no-kill, no-lynch, scum must attempt to kill. If the kill is blocked somehow (by roleblocker or doctor), then town must lynch.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 09, 2016, 04:07:44 pm
Ok, I need a bit to figure this out.  I think we still win though.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 09, 2016, 07:49:42 pm
well in that case we just have to lynch either both or the right one of you. Leaning RR:
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 09, 2016, 11:33:18 pm
Nice.

I'd like for J Reggie and Roadrunner7671 to formulate a case on the other. Most convincing one gets to live (for now).
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 10, 2016, 09:00:11 am
I'm fine lunching one of the xRs today but if they flip town I'm going to be very suspicious of SS tomorrow.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 10, 2016, 10:05:43 am
Nice.

I'd like for J Reggie and Roadrunner7671 to formulate a case on the other. Most convincing one gets to live (for now).
I'm not so good at making cases but I can try.

I'd encourage rereads of both me and J Reggie just to make sure people are informed.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 11, 2016, 07:45:37 am
Bump.

We're so close to winning, we can't let inactivity lose the game for us guys!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 11, 2016, 09:11:10 am
I'm just waiting for the cases.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: silverspawn on November 11, 2016, 09:31:20 am
I'm just waiting for the cases.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 11, 2016, 10:07:36 am
Which one is better?

1. A case only on why J Reggie is scum.
2. A case only on why I'm town.
3. A case with both elements but in less detail.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: pingpongsam on November 11, 2016, 10:21:57 am
Which one is better?

1. A case only on why J Reggie is scum.
2. A case only on why I'm town.
3. A case with both elements but in less detail.

1.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: Archetype on November 11, 2016, 10:39:06 am
Definitely #1
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 4
Post by: J Reggie on November 11, 2016, 03:40:37 pm
Sorry, I've been super busy. I'll try and get the case posted today.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: silverspawn on November 12, 2016, 01:24:21 am
vote: RR

Tick tock!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: pingpongsam on November 12, 2016, 06:55:15 pm
vote: RR

Tick tock!

Why RR? Shouldn't JR be pressured just as well?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 06:58:12 pm
So I'm pretty ill and I generally have a lack of motivation to make a case. As nice as it would be to lynch J Reggie today over me, we win either way. So I'll Vote: J Reggie, let you guys lynch me then you guys will lynch J Reggie.

If Silverspawn or PPS are scum then they just outplayed us and either way we lose.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: J Reggie on November 12, 2016, 07:03:27 pm
I'm here. I think the thing that made me suspicious of RR to start with was his flip-flop on Jake. He never really gave us much to go off of. Most of the stuff he said was like "trust me, he'd do this as scum" and later "trust me, he'd do this as town". It looks like a case of trying to bus your partner and then realizing it's gone too far. I think there was another reason I was scumreading him, I'll go back and read. When's the deadline?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: J Reggie on November 12, 2016, 07:04:31 pm
Wow! No posts for more than 12 hours and then 2 PPEs during the 5 minutes it took me to type!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: pingpongsam on November 12, 2016, 07:04:45 pm
Deadline is Wednesday.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: J Reggie on November 12, 2016, 07:06:25 pm
Hope you feel better RR! I might be coming down with something as well, so I'll just take a bunch of zinc and try to be active and answer questions.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 07:12:02 pm
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: J Reggie on November 12, 2016, 07:16:53 pm
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?

I wouldn't put it past him, but I think it's more likely that you're scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: pingpongsam on November 12, 2016, 07:17:58 pm
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Yes.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 07:18:20 pm
Let me go check something
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: pingpongsam on November 12, 2016, 07:19:05 pm
Does anyone think ss might pull a bold move like he's doing now as scum?
Yes.

It's not just a bold move it's about the only winning play other than stay low and hope which wasn't going to work because he was already suspected.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 07:28:06 pm
And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
I don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 08:03:22 pm
I bless upon thy soul of schadd that he liveth in peace and prosperity  ;D ;D ;D
He said this to his scum buddy, which is a stark contrast to what he said to me.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 08:03:44 pm
I almost want to lynch ss.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: silverspawn on November 12, 2016, 08:04:57 pm
So I'm pretty ill and I generally have a lack of motivation

So this is pretty much exactly what I was waiting for.

We are playing the most unbalanced setup in a long time (referring to the actual setup after randomization), and scum is in a virtually unwinnable posiiton. I expect a lack of motivation.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: silverspawn on November 12, 2016, 08:05:19 pm
I almost want to lynch ss.

^ this is our scum.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 08:10:40 pm
I almost want to lynch ss.

^ this is our scum.
Nuh uh
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:24:34 pm
Silverspawn's got the right idea.

I believe because of this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16339.msg649932#msg649932) we should trust silverspawn's claim. Not saying we should auto lynch J Reggie tommorow, but he's more likely Town. Roadrunner is mostly likely scum here.

Intent to hammer

If RoadRunner has anything to say, please say it now.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 2
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:25:37 pm
And btw you have an awful record at mafia rr
I don't think Jake would say this to me if I was his fellow scumbuddy.
I think he would talk to you about the game in person as scum buddies, which is a bigger tell IMO.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 08:27:13 pm
No, I have nothing to say.

Looks like I'm still difficult to read.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:36:21 pm
No, I have nothing to say.

Looks like I'm still difficult to read.
I mean, you can't disagree that you haven't done some very scummy things

1) Heavy waffling on Jake that has been pointed out a few times
2) Switch to LaLight during schadd's lynch at the last minute
3) Not making a case when you've had a long time to produce anything of substance as to why we should lynch J Reggie over you. Like silverspawn said, scum wouldn't spend the time because they know they'd be killed at the end.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:36:37 pm
*have done
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 08:38:19 pm
As scum, it would've been suicide for me to do what I did with the Jake and schadd stuff.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:41:41 pm
It would have been suicide for Jake to kill without using his Ninja or not Rolestopping for someone else yet here we are.
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Archetype on November 12, 2016, 08:57:55 pm
Alright.

Vote: RR

Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 12, 2016, 09:13:52 pm
I was town
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 5
Post by: J Reggie on November 12, 2016, 10:03:31 pm
Well unless RR is lying, we lynch ss tomorrow. Nice fakeclaim by the way!
Title: Re: M87: The Aperture Science Robot Humanization Initiative (Portal Mafia): Day 1
Post by: mail-mi