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Title: M85: Olympics Mafia (Game Over!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 01:41:36 pm
Welcome to M85: Olympics Mafia by gkrieg13.

This game is for 9 players, and is an invented, semi-open setup designed by gkrieg13.

Co-mod:

Sign ups are open.


1. silverspawn
2. Calamitas
3. Seprix - Swimming, the Bodyguard
4. Roadrunner7671 - Basketball, posing as Badminton, the Mafia Roleblocker
5. Iguanaiguana
6. Mail-mi
7. SpaceAnemone - Rowing, the Watcher
8. LaLight - Cycling, the Tracker
9. Joseph2302 - Fencing, the Vanilla Townie

Tags: J Reggie, SirMartin

Game State Tracker:
Day 1 start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg627991#msg627991) || Day 1 end (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg629641#msg629641)
Day 2 start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg630104#msg630104) || Day 2 end (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg631703#msg631703)
Day 3 start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg632160#msg632160) || Day 3 end
...


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by your role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Quoting of QTs is forbidden as well
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or fewer players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, green text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please write to the Mod in your role QT. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently, especially because I am a new mod. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via your role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be 36 hours after the night begins.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 01:41:44 pm
Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.

Roles:
Modifiers:

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher



All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 01:41:50 pm
Flavor Post:

The flavor for this game will be olympics.   

I might change the flavor if something better comes to mind before the game begins.

Flavor written by me has no effect on the game.  Town will be know as Olympic Sports, mafia will be known as "Real" Sports
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: silverspawn on July 19, 2016, 01:52:56 pm
f/inrst!
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 01:54:20 pm
yay!

I also want to know what people think of the new setup.  This way there will be an unknown number of PRs, so hopefully it won't be like the last game of this setup...
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: faust on July 19, 2016, 01:59:20 pm
I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 02:28:47 pm
I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.

I was thinking that it would be for rolecops but I should really just take it out.  It could also apply to neapolitans. 

A point system would work for the modifiers.  Mafia's strength could be determined by power of roles - power of modifiers.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 02:38:50 pm
So I did 3 randomizations, and I need to tweak something, because right now we get:

Witness RB, Vanillaising Vig, Ascetic Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Ascetic Jk and vanillaising Rolecop vs JOAT and Goon

weak Jailkeeper,Miller Bodyguard, Framed Neapolitan, Ascetic Roleblocker, vs. JOAT and Goon

I think Jailkeeper probably needs to go into the 4 class, and maybe lower Roleblocker and Doctor each down one.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: ashersky on July 19, 2016, 06:57:33 pm
I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

This.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2016, 07:51:38 pm
Ok with the modifiers added with point values 3 random setups gives:

Macho JK, Macho Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Miller Neapolitan, Random Doctor, Witness Vig, Loud Watcher, Weak JK vs. JOAT and Goon

Witness Doctor, Macho RB, Framed Tracker, Vanillaising Vigilante vs. JOAT and RB
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: J Reggie on July 19, 2016, 10:07:02 pm
/tag swag
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: Calamitas on July 25, 2016, 05:55:41 pm
/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: Seprix on July 25, 2016, 05:56:44 pm
/in
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 25, 2016, 06:17:48 pm
/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).

The time can vary.  These micro setups are definitely the shortest games.  The game will start when it is full, and the last iteration of this setup took 22 days to complete, but it was one of the quicker mafia games because of bad luck on mafia's side.  I would expect this game to take a bit longer, but the maximum time it would take is 36 days.

If you want a game that would start sooner, but might take a little bit longer, I suggest you sign up for this game <- url (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15773.0)
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 25, 2016, 07:06:56 pm
/in
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: SirMartin on July 30, 2016, 01:25:00 am
/tag
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 14, 2016, 09:08:15 pm
/in for literally any form of mafia
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 14, 2016, 09:09:23 pm
/in for literally any form of mafia

Woah you beat me to it
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: mail-mi on August 14, 2016, 09:31:20 pm
/in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 15, 2016, 05:43:30 pm
I changed the flavor to olympics, because they are going on right now, and it should be more fun.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 15, 2016, 05:54:58 pm
/in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 15, 2016, 06:10:26 pm
/out




















/in


feels like a new game!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 15, 2016, 06:14:43 pm
I'd expect the last couple of spots to fill quickly, so get them while they're hot!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 15, 2016, 06:34:23 pm
/in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 15, 2016, 06:42:14 pm
/in

Roadrunner will play two people!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on August 16, 2016, 10:10:00 am
/in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 10:13:09 am
/in

Welcome. Make sure to sign the civility pledge!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 2 spots left!)
Post by: LaLight on August 16, 2016, 10:15:43 am
/in

Welcome. Make sure to sign the civility pledge!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0

Just did it!

My first game, but i'll try to do my best =)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: ashersky on August 16, 2016, 10:39:26 am
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 10:52:06 am
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: ashersky on August 16, 2016, 11:29:17 am
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 11:50:00 am
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: ashersky on August 16, 2016, 11:52:58 am
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 12:08:14 pm
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.

Lets roll some setups and see how it goes.
So we get:
Bodyguard, Ascetic, bodyguard, miller, JK.  Then we roll those among the 7 town and get: ascetic JK, 2 bodyguards and a miller VT.

JK, Random, Doctor, Weak, RB, Loud, Bodyguard, Loud, Watcher.  Loud RB, Random JK, Weak Doctor, Loud VT, Bodyguard, Watcher.

Bodyguard, vanillaising, Doctor, Ascetic.  You get vanillaising VT, bodyguard, Ascetic Doctor.

Those don't seem like unbalanced setups. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: LaLight on August 16, 2016, 01:11:14 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 16, 2016, 01:15:16 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: mail-mi on August 16, 2016, 01:27:35 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome. :P
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: silverspawn on August 16, 2016, 01:28:33 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 01:28:42 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))

I wouldn't worry about it.  The stuff we are talking about is just randomizing the roles that will appear in the game.  I want to make a balanced setup so that mafia and town have equal chances of winning, and I also want to make it a fun game for everyone!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 16, 2016, 01:29:17 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome. :P
How does that look?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 01:30:54 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.

Plus if you are a power role (PR), you will be told what it does, and what you have to do.  Plus, you will have a personal place to ask me any questions you might have after the game begins.  It looks like we are going to have a lot of new players in this game, so I will try to make it as newbie friendly as possible.  I almost even want to change it to a newbie mafia game, seeing as we have 3/8 new players right now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: mail-mi on August 16, 2016, 02:17:13 pm
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome. :P
How does that look?

Perfect.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 16, 2016, 02:17:39 pm
/hammer
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 16, 2016, 02:18:22 pm
And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: Seprix on August 16, 2016, 02:19:26 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6b3nbh5Oj1rrmelb.gif)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: silverspawn on August 16, 2016, 02:37:30 pm
And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.
:D
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 03:06:02 pm
And we are full!  PMs are going out shortly. 

Each PM will just be a link to a topic on Quicktopic (QT).  If you don't already have an account there, you will need to make one.  Please choose your username there so that it matches your username here. 

Please post "/confirm" in your QT when you have read it.  Direct any questions you have to me in the QT
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
Post by: mail-mi on August 16, 2016, 03:08:40 pm
So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 03:11:48 pm
So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?

Keeping the setup.  I think it is generally fairly newbie friendly. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Full. PMs going out soon!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 03:12:48 pm
Ok PMs are out!

N0 begins now and ends Thursday August 18, 12 pm

THREAD LOCKED!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 16, 2016, 03:23:18 pm
I updated the setup post to make it more newb friendly and to reflect how the roles and modifiers were chosen and applied.  I made all the changes navy.  I suggest you read the setup post again before the game begins.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 17, 2016, 11:37:57 am
still waiting on some confirms. Please post in your QT or send me a PM so I know you saw your role, so this game can start on time
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 18, 2016, 12:00:00 pm
All of the sports gathered round.  They were so excited!

"People will actually watch us again!" said Rowing.

"I can already feel the excitement of people saying my name for the next couple of weeks!" exclaimed Beach Volleyball.

"Think of all of the publicity our sports are going to get!" said Gymnastics.

Badminton, Diving, and Swimming all oooohed.

All of the Olympic Sports were waiting in anticipation of the games.  They knew that it may be difficult to fill seats, or that there weren't going to be as many people at the games due to the current political atmosphere, but they relished these days.  These were the 16 days that they were the stars.  For the 1444 days between olympic games, Basketball, Soccer, and Football seemed to be the stars.  They got all the attention on SportsCenter.  But for these 16 days, no one would care about Basketball or Soccer, and hey Football isn't even a sport for the next 16 days!  Who cares about Football during the Olympics!

Just as they were all content, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline ran into the room. 

"Guys I'm afraid to cut the party short, but we have some intruders in our midst.  It seems like some "Real Sports" have infiltrated us.  They want to turn the attention back to themselves.  They don't even want to let us have 16 days of glory!  We need to find them, and eliminate them.  We have the power now, but if we wait too long, we will be overrun by those awful, attention-hogging sports."

"Let's get a move on"


Day 1 starts now!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (9): silverspawn, Calamitas, Seprix, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

THREAD UNLOCKED
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 12:02:48 pm
Hi everyone!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 12:03:23 pm
Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 12:04:08 pm
Vote: silverspawn for creepy tones
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 18, 2016, 12:07:18 pm
Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: Haddock on August 18, 2016, 12:07:57 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 12:10:21 pm
I love the set-up for this game. The evil Football and Soccer conspire to take down the Olympics.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 18, 2016, 12:12:51 pm
I'm British, so Soccer is just a weird other name for Football anyway...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 12:17:45 pm
Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.


vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 12:32:00 pm
So far, everything is going according to plan.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 18, 2016, 12:44:10 pm
Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)

Yes!

vote: SpaceAnemone
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 12:45:12 pm
So far, everything is going according to plan.

Barring you being a Jester, I don't see how getting tons of votes helps, as town or scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 12:48:02 pm
The stuff you don't see could fill about 99,999999999% of the world.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 01:01:47 pm
LurkLurkLurk

lol
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (N0)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 01:02:48 pm
Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)

Usually I do this when at least one other person is already voting for the person, but don't worry  8) is  8)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 01:04:05 pm
I'm Trampoline btw.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 01:13:37 pm
Man, I don't like this new trend of looking scummy on purpose as the new town norm.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 01:21:38 pm
You tell me the scum narrative for anything I've said and I'll agree that it's scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 18, 2016, 01:24:00 pm
Hi.

I'm scum again.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 01:28:09 pm
vote: Joseph

I order two of you to do the same.



Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 01:37:19 pm
I guess reads are going out the window.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 18, 2016, 01:58:22 pm
I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 02:18:19 pm
I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 02:23:06 pm
Vote: Joseph

Either you don't think highly of yourself at all or you claimed Mafia.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 03:12:01 pm
Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 03:20:25 pm
Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 03:21:03 pm
Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool


You have two options

1) you vote for Joseph now

2) I will go back in time, make it so you drew scum (if you didn't do it already) and tunnel you restlessly until you are accurately lynched.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 03:22:31 pm
Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.

Do not listen to RR; he is lying. Only the weak take part in RVS.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 03:24:51 pm
Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 18, 2016, 03:30:02 pm
Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 03:31:31 pm
Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

Vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 03:32:44 pm
Oh, i thought he said about rvs. but what's done is done
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 03:33:51 pm
Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...
He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 03:34:27 pm
Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

Vote: Silverspawn
If you want to vote you have to use bolding.

Like this: Vote: PlayerName
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 03:38:16 pm
He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

I will send someone over to brush your toes.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 03:50:54 pm
I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 03:57:20 pm
it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

And thanks RR for helping! I nearly believed you're the good guy down here.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 04:07:02 pm
I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.

Seprix, if you didn't say annoyingly black and white things like this all the time, we wouldn't lynch you so much.

Claiming flavor in a silly olympic-sport themed mafia game where mafia were almost certainly all given fake claims and flavor was almost certainly randomly distributed is totally harmless and perfectly pointless.

2 + 2 = 4! Oh no, don't say that!!!! That gives scum information!!!!!!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 04:08:58 pm
Anyway, Vote: Joseph

He's scum this game. He said so himself.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 04:15:23 pm
I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 04:19:16 pm
I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Pretty sure the roles are Rowing, Beach Volleyball, Gymnastics, Badminton, Diving, Swimming, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline

and that 2 of those are fake claims.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 18, 2016, 04:22:18 pm
I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Heh, there's an echo in here!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 18, 2016, 05:28:15 pm
Testing to see if I can out-gold Silver...

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 07:08:33 pm
it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

And thanks RR for helping! I nearly believed you're the good guy down here.
No problem! I sort of know you so I'll help you out. But bolding isn't that hard from a phone! Or at least not if you press the button
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 07:09:28 pm
He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

I will send someone over to brush your toes.

What does that even mean?!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 07:10:04 pm
Anyway, Vote: Joseph

He's scum this game. He said so himself.
I think it's a null tell but that is annoying to me. I thought he'd stop after he got burned for it
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 18, 2016, 07:11:59 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 18, 2016, 07:12:56 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Vote: Jospeh
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 07:29:13 pm
I played a game of Mafia IRL where in the start everyone was forced to tell the phrase "I am not mafia" one after another. Twas so boring that I said "I am mafia" and got lynched D1 (i was townie). So maybe Jospeh just tries to give us some diversity?

P.S. If he's really scum my post will be suspicious
P.P.S. This P.S. is suspicious too
P.P.P.S. I feel recursion floating around
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 18, 2016, 07:31:32 pm
btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 07:36:40 pm
btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?
I can't help you there. Reading the setup might be helpful?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 07:52:39 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 18, 2016, 07:59:47 pm
btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?

I would look at mafiascum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page)

(that is a link btw)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 08:05:46 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas
Either I'm dumb or it's not really bad meaning it's super obvious.

What is it?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 08:07:52 pm
Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 08:09:46 pm
Not to mention Calimitas is trying really hard to push a case where there is one. Look at this:

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

That's not quite true, at all. All of those posts are obviously RVS to a fault.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 08:10:47 pm
Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that  >:(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 08:11:16 pm
Nobody decided anything, RR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 18, 2016, 08:25:26 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Who are you and have you played mafia before?

I don't think you signed our pledge (link), (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.msg219889#msg219889) did you?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 18, 2016, 08:41:31 pm
Vote: Calamitas

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that  >:(

Good enough for an early day 1 vote.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 09:50:51 pm
Nobody decided anything, RR.
Hold on, let me find out if Calamitas is new
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 18, 2016, 09:52:52 pm
I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 18, 2016, 10:31:58 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Haha, it's not an awful play. And this is coming from someone who claimed instantly D1.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 18, 2016, 11:06:37 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

You have a good point with the personal QTs. unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 19, 2016, 01:18:46 am
Just a reminder:
Angle brackets are primarly jused as tags within HTML for just thise purpose (and dozens other purposes) ;)

Either way, pledge signed.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 19, 2016, 03:39:07 am
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 19, 2016, 03:41:17 am
Summary of notable events in no particular order:

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Joseph: Claimed scum

Seprix: Tried to frame a newbie for a scumslip even though it was pretty obviously not after some simple analysis.

I think that's all I remember. And if I didn't remember it, I guess it wasn't that notable ;)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 03:50:23 am
blblpfsdofp . fine.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 03:51:56 am
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 03:53:03 am
so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 19, 2016, 05:07:18 am
I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data
First mafia game, my eperience is limited to some IRL werewolf (15 games or so).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 19, 2016, 06:13:30 am
Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 19, 2016, 06:39:43 am
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 19, 2016, 06:42:28 am
Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Wow, this is actual wagons already, isn't it?

Nobody's commenting on the lack of the word "vote" in Calamitas' "scum-tell" post. Does it mean anything to those of you who're more experienced?

To me it's just an obvious omission, and makes the overall post look more hasty than anything else. I agree that angle brackets themselves aren't a big deal -- I've written a lot of html in my time, so I would naturally default to angle brackets for markup too.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 19, 2016, 07:03:34 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 19, 2016, 07:54:37 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

Yeah it's me first game. I'm glad I'm not alone!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 19, 2016, 08:00:35 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 19, 2016, 11:56:41 am
Vote Count 1.1


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Joseph2302 (2): RR, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (2): mail-mi, Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 19, 2016, 12:00:41 pm
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 19, 2016, 12:12:30 pm
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 19, 2016, 12:53:09 pm
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 19, 2016, 12:53:34 pm
Also, I'm busy pretty solidly until Sunday, so limited posting for me on this.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 19, 2016, 12:58:17 pm
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 19, 2016, 01:29:12 pm
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

Ya. I'm older than ss. I just took a BIG break for school tho.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 01:31:23 pm
wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 19, 2016, 01:32:02 pm
so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
I can answer these.

After iguana's post and Calamitas' explanation, it seems more like an innocent mistake. Doesn't make him towns, tho.

I think iguana seems more like frustrated town than scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 19, 2016, 01:32:25 pm
wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

Yep. That's me.  ;)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 19, 2016, 01:33:26 pm
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

I'm a veteran. Being a veteran doesn't mean you're any good; it simply means you've played for awhile.

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Don't think like this. It is very dangerous. Silverspawn is a double-edged sword. Firstly, he can easily be scum and look town. He's done it before, and he's had a nice long string of scum games whilst looking like a leader and towny to prove my point. Secondly, if he is town, he's going to die real fast, and then bye-bye leadership. Simply formulate your own play. Don't rely on others.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 01:59:25 pm
I don't think there's a consensus on what 'leader' means, so... the only scenario where it's okay or even correct to blindly sheep someone is if they are confirmed town.

since I am town here, you can still sheep me, though. It will be bad play in theory, but turned out to have been good in retrospect.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 19, 2016, 02:00:02 pm
that was future past. and I didn't even use the right grammar.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:25:16 am
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.
Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?
This is a concept called Wine in Front of Me (or WIFOM), a reference from the Princess Bride
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 20, 2016, 02:31:54 am
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:33:55 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Come on.

Let's look at the players
LaLight: I know he's a newb
Roadrunner: I'm definitely not a veteran by any stretch!
Iguana iguana: I havr a high opinion, I just don't consider you a veteran
Mail-Mi: I didn't know
Silver spawn: He's a vetetan by my definition
Calamitas: He's a newb too
Space: See Calamitas and LaLight
Seprix: Maybe I'd call him a veteran if he didn't play so much like me. I still have a high opinion of him though
Joseph: See Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:35:01 am
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:38:55 am
Hi.

I'm scum again.
I still don't like this.

Joseph: Why? Why do you do this?  :'(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 20, 2016, 02:41:49 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 20, 2016, 02:42:26 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

This was in response to 146, btw
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:46:03 am
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.
A leader. Not the leader
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 20, 2016, 03:45:50 am
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 20, 2016, 04:43:31 am
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 20, 2016, 04:49:08 am
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 20, 2016, 04:50:12 am
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 20, 2016, 06:27:56 am
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 20, 2016, 06:29:19 am
unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 20, 2016, 10:01:13 am
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 10:32:43 am
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 10:34:57 am
It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

This reads like you once read about Iguana Iguana in a textbook and are trying really hard to recite the definition.

For the record, I do not intend to play sloppy this game. That much should be clear by now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 10:36:24 am
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?

We can't. The only reason to sheep (follow) someone is if you are convinced they are town and they are correct.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 10:37:10 am
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 20, 2016, 10:54:21 am
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 20, 2016, 11:04:09 am
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 20, 2016, 11:45:03 am
I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

(Phone posting from a train with limited data connectivity... hope this works!)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 12:43:30 pm
I've already stated my reasons.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 12:45:09 pm
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.

I don't fault you for your read on Seprix but these kinds of misunderstandings need to be cleared up or we will just end up lynching him and if we lynch him I'd like it to be because he's scum and not because he's Seprix.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 12:47:36 pm
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.

What concerns me about your post is that you respond to a vote on you by casting shade on another player. Attention is certainly on you; you are the only player with multiple votes.

At any rate, Joseph has claimed scum at least in the last three games as his opening. In the first game, he was town. In the second game, he was scum. Then this one. Lots of discussion around in his scum claim in both of those recent games, which didn't really amount to much. I don't like his claiming scum. It gives scum an easy thing to hide behind and talk about without looking suspicious, but hey, I can't control what he says.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 20, 2016, 12:48:32 pm
I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

(Phone posting from a train with limited data connectivity... hope this works!)

Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 20, 2016, 02:30:03 pm
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

How can I improve my play then? It's not like I 'try' to play bad, and I want to be proactive.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 20, 2016, 02:49:23 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 20, 2016, 05:18:11 pm
Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!

I'm keeping it there because one vote on you isn't doing a lot of harm, other than signalling my mild suspicion now I've said I'm purposefully leaving it after RVS seems to have petered out. Your original reason for voting Calamitas was stated in post #124 as "Agree with Silver". Since then your full argument against him, as far as I can see, is the scummy read you mention in #158. Compare that to #165 where you say you've already stated your reasons, and I feel like it's not really all that strong a case.

FWIW, my opinion on Calamitas at present is that they're a newbie who's flustered by a rather severe reaction to the angle bracket thing, and may be defensive but that doesn't mean much. Unless we've got a scumteam of Calamitas and LaLight, scum!Calamitas would have a more experienced player telling them how to handle things, wouldn't they?

I feel like Seprix is playing as an antagonistic frustrated towny, which seems to be exactly his meta. RR isn't someone I could get a read on in any of the other games I've been through. Silver feels too oddball here to be seriously scum, but I may be made to eat my words if I don't hedge on that a bit...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 20, 2016, 06:27:42 pm
Catching up tomorrow
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 21, 2016, 06:57:40 am
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.
We don't necessarily need a "leader" as such.
Just at least 1-2 people who continue posting lots of content to keep the game moving.
Not having any of them means the game is more likely to stall, and no-one contribute.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 21, 2016, 06:59:15 am
And nothing notable seems to have actually happened- that was a short reread.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 21, 2016, 07:22:14 am
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 21, 2016, 07:23:12 am
so, out of the mouths of babes and newbies (me):

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

If we are talking about people who IMO makes sence, that's Iguana and RR. I don't see them scummy at all. Can't say anything about Seprix yet. More like townie i suppose. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 10:51:47 am
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 02:01:24 pm
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".





Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 02:02:49 pm
<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.
Yeah that's sort of what I meant. But he also seems unsure which is a thing called 'hedging,' and that's definitely scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 02:08:19 pm
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 02:11:38 pm
Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 21, 2016, 02:24:15 pm
I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

vote: iguana
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 02:29:56 pm
I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 02:40:17 pm
I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around. But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

I originally thought he was drunk posting when he had his colored font. But I guess not.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 03:05:22 pm
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 21, 2016, 03:11:16 pm
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 03:12:20 pm
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 21, 2016, 03:14:23 pm
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 03:20:49 pm
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same  :'(

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.
Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town. Seprix is pretty null, trying to turn your 'slip' into a thing is either a towny blunder or a scummy thing, I'm not sure which yet.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 03:26:30 pm
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

We never got to know the role or alignment of dead characters, so wolves could claim to be seers or whatever if they were reasonably confident the real one was dead. There were quite a few other game mechanic differences, but it all balanced well, and was a really enjoyable game. That's why, when Haddock started telling me about his online mafia exploits, I was keen to take a look... so here I am.

Aaaaanyway, back to the present! My read on you feels very high-variance... just because I dislike so many of the oldies jumping on your wagon doesn't mean I'm not watching you too. Your post in #175 is essentially a re-wording of my suspicion in #171, but without acknowledging me at all. OTOH, LaLight seems to be tarring the two of us with almost the same brush in #176, and I know where I'm coming from at least!

Ooops... some PPEs to address too maybe.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 06:41:55 pm
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 06:47:00 pm
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 21, 2016, 06:54:06 pm
Vote Count 1.2


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 07:04:44 pm
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 21, 2016, 07:18:17 pm
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...
I am not a native-speaker as well but it shouldn't cause any trouble.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 21, 2016, 08:10:06 pm
My thoughts so far this game on Calamitas as they developed: 

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

I found the content of this post to be a scummy entrance. The language is very strong for an entrance post commenting on RVS and I continue to feel that the tone is off. It reads to me like someone trying to make up guesses on things where he already knows the answers.

When I read the statement, three people had already voted for Calamitas, two of them for the bolding mistake. If I had voted him at this point, it would have put him at L-1. That seemed like a dangerous place to put anyone so early in the game, so I refrained from voting or from even commenting on the scummy nature of the post at the time.


Vote: Jospeh

He fixes the bolding mistake, but still has a typo. Whoever this person is, he's not being very careful and is rushing out these posts. Slight town overall, as town tends to be more careful than scum, but more meta would be helpful here.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

I already commented on how I found this post scummy. silverspawn votes for him, and he responds by asking silverspawn what he thinks of Joseph and ignoring the vote on him. It felt off. This post, plus the fact that people were moving their votes off of Calamitas for the bolding mistake issue, made me feel comfortable enough placing my vote on him. My thinking: no risk of an undue early end of day from a derphammer, so may as well put my vote on the scummiest player.

That people found it strange for me to vote for a player I had just defended is understandable. My explanation is that I was not defending Calamitas. I was only pointing out that his bolding mistake was not a good reason to vote for him.

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Scummy post. Hedging and calling a player scummy but not enough to vote for is a scummy stance to take.

I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas
How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

vote: iguana

Not sure if this is a deliberate misunderstanding or just Calamitas being wrong, but he's misrepresenting me here. I'd already given a reason at the time that I made the post "I've already stated my reasons." That post is #168. My first reasoning for voting Calamitas is stated at #158.

I don't actually know if I find this scummy. I probably would have 5 games ago, but I don't know if scum actually deliberately misunderstands someone to make a case against them at this point in the game. I think this might just be sloppy play.

So overall, I'm still just leaning slight scum on Calamitas and pretty null on most other players.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 21, 2016, 08:15:47 pm
Looking at things more closely, more town on SpaceAnenome. Let's not lynch that one today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 08:24:41 pm
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 08:38:30 pm
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 08:42:44 pm
So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 21, 2016, 08:45:30 pm
blargh. *a suspicion.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 09:07:56 pm
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 21, 2016, 09:16:10 pm
Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?

Holy cow, Silverspawn is being as deflective as possible this game. Scum points there.

Calimitas is probably town. His reaction was genuine. I wish people didn't just yell at me for trying to push some kind of case, any kind of case really. If Calimitas was scum, he'd feel pretty emboldened by the support he got in reply. He didn't try to buddy up with others in denouncing my 'case', so I think he's towny for now.

Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 21, 2016, 09:16:48 pm
vote: Iguana by the way

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 09:20:13 pm
So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

Never played any form of mafia or werewolf online before, but used to play lots of slightly-atypical werewolf (maybe 2 hours per week in university termtime over quite a few years) up till about a year ago. I was rather good at it, though my main advantage was my above-average hearing :-)

For anyone who's not aware of it from other threads, I also know Haddock IRL... he's running the BSG game that's about to start, and I've been following his games, asking him questions, and learning the terminology for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 09:23:23 pm
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...
I don't know what 'monoglottism' means
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 21, 2016, 09:27:09 pm
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...
I don't know what 'monoglottism' means

Google does :-)

Sorry not to give your helpful links, but I'm phone-posting because it's after 2am over here. Why are you all choosing now as a time to be interesting and conversational?? :-P
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 21, 2016, 11:01:57 pm


Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.

Ugh. Can you point to even one single game?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 21, 2016, 11:03:20 pm
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 21, 2016, 11:04:12 pm
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

oops

unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 21, 2016, 11:40:41 pm
Unvote

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 12:03:44 am
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.

About LaLight, same thing as RR. I'm in the codenames game with him.

You, it's just a feeling. But after reading some games, you feel scummy to lots of people when town. so idk. The unanounced L-1 also gives some minor scum points, so I'm happy with my vote kept on you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 12:04:18 am
Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 12:18:35 am
Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 12:19:57 am
And as much as I think Iguana might be scum, he's also pushing the game forward in a potentially positive direction, so I don't think I could bring myself to put him as #1 lynch today. I can settle for that reptile, but I think I can find a better option.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 01:25:58 am
So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

I played this game very often, say, 4-5 years ago, having even championships.
Then, I played werewolves too, liked it better. First time playing not in IRL, so I just need time to adjust.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 03:06:25 am
Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 03:08:06 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 03:12:50 am
Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.

(http://orig08.deviantart.net/da61/f/2015/063/f/a/chihiro_and_haku_by_mieuchan-d5mte19.png)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 03:19:39 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 03:40:09 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

L-1 means one vote away from a lynch. So that's 5 - 1 = 4.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 03:46:44 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 04:37:07 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 06:04:51 am
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.

Yeah, one more Iguana vote at that point and he'd have been dead. We'd still have been able to talk for a while, then the mod would have declared his alignment (though not role), and the thread would lock for night-time.

This voting is really different from in-person games I've played. There, we would make a "guillotine call" on a person if we found them suitably suspicious -- guillotines being a less racially charged concept than lynches! If that call was seconded (only one second was required, no matter how many people were in the game), the player was given a chance at an uninterrupted defence speech, after which we moved to a hidden vote, so there was no information available about who actually voted to kill whom.

Here it's very different, and one of the primary ways of getting information is to look at who's on what "waggon" as the voting happens.

If Iguana flips scum, then chances are his scumbuddy is someone who wasn't on his early waggon, because they'd want to try to avoid losing their team-mate so early. However, if he's actually town, I look quite scummy for pushing on him for so long, but the last couple of people deserve a lot of suspicion too, because a scum player might want to hold back till there's a probable mis-lynch and then push a hammer quickly.

With this many newbies, experienced scum might be hoping for some high-variance voting and a bit of sheeping, which makes Seprix's silent L-1 look fishy.

Anyway, add a load of WIFOM to all that (especially regarding motivations of experienced scums), then reason it through for yourself just to be sure.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 06:30:23 am
Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.

He's playing the longer meta-game (which he seems quite successful at) to the detriment of a small game he's not very engaged with. People like RR find his analyses valuable, so he may get an effective free-ish pass here for D1. I'm really not a fan of this level of disengagement, though!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 07:05:29 am
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 07:17:35 am
ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 08:07:29 am
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 08:57:10 am
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

(http://www.iamag.co/features/itsart/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Spirited-Away-The-Force-Awakens-4.jpg)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 10:16:47 am
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

(http://www.iamag.co/features/itsart/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Spirited-Away-The-Force-Awakens-4.jpg)
Is posting pictures allowed?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 10:17:32 am
ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix


1. That's a false dichotomy. Firstly, Calamitas could have made that mistake as scum. Secondly, just because I pointed it out doesn't make me scum. This is an awful case.

2. Okay, assume Iguana gets lynched. What happens next? Oh, yeah. I'd be on the chopping block anyways for putting Iguana to a lynch unannounced. It was just a careless error on my part. I didn't think that many people were voting for Iguana.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 10:24:40 am
S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 10:28:49 am
S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 22, 2016, 10:54:21 am
S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 10:55:32 am
S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
Okay, makes sense.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 22, 2016, 12:00:18 pm
Vote Count 1.3


iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

p. s. I feel like I should count this vote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15926.msg628538#msg628538), but it would probably just count as an unvote.  But for future reference, it doesn't mater what you put before the vote: playername if it is in bold.  Obviously unless it is "un", as I know someone will make that joke.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 12:19:11 pm
Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 22, 2016, 12:21:36 pm
Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un

Thank you.  Now there is no confusion.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 12:22:38 pm
Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un
Could you please elaborate on the reasons behind your unvoting ;-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 12:25:47 pm
S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create
I take credit for creating this rule
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 12:51:49 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 12:52:58 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpful
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 12:53:19 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 12:57:10 pm
I was eating, I'll try to elaborate on that a bit more.

Breadcrumbing: If he had a N0 action and found scum, he'd say it immediately. If he found a PR, he probably wouldn't breadcrumb on D1, seeing as he doesn't get lynched D1.

Imaginary votes: These aren't helpful at all, but I've never seen anything similar. But we can tell they're not forwarding the game.

Colored fonts: No. These aren't breadcrumbing and they're not helpful. They're just off putting.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 12:59:59 pm
Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:

Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!

Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!

Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 01:06:47 pm
request prod on Joseph
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 01:13:48 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 01:15:44 pm
Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:

Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!

Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!

Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!

My bad! Thanks for the correction :-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 01:29:45 pm
gah. Those smileys. My townread on you is dwindling.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 01:41:01 pm
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 01:44:17 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpful
Agree, ss is being unhelpful by not providing anything.
Which is a shame, because we needs active posters in this game, and I thought he might be one.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 01:45:39 pm
request prod on Joseph
Prod not needed.
I was barely over the 24 anyways.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 01:47:29 pm
Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 01:49:42 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)
Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)
But since media you create (and manipulate for integration information) is forbidden, there is no reason to look for sth.  like that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 01:54:14 pm
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.

This from you. But besides that, why don't you tell me how not to play a scummy game. I'll take it into consideration.

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

This is a bad vote, and you know it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 02:05:54 pm
This is a bad vote, and you know it.

I agree.

But this is a good vote.

I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 02:46:16 pm
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.

This from you. But besides that, why don't you tell me how not to play a scummy game. I'll take it into consideration.
See the last mafia game we were in- I played towny all game, even though I was scum.

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

This is a bad vote, and you know it.
Pretty sure it isn't.
Voting for anti-town person is good.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 02:48:24 pm
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 03:01:26 pm
vote: Joseph

Your play is unbelievably bad.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 03:12:03 pm
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

+1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 03:31:02 pm
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 03:45:05 pm
Not sure what to make of all this. Seprix L-1 vote was surely strange, especially since the most recent Vote count was only 11 posts before his vote. IMO there are two possible explanations for that behavior:

1. (And far more likely): He just made a mistake, could be the case with either alignment. Therefore I wouldn't rate that as particular scummy (nor towny) since it is surely drawing attention towards him which is not helpful in either case.

2. (Don't know if it fits to Seprix previous behavior): He actually wanted to draw attention away from iguana. As you can see, two unvoted right after his vote and attention moved towards a Joseph-Seprix "bad-play" claim feast. Obviously that would only make sense if iguana and seprix form the mafia (or I am missing sth.). Haven't looked up the thread for previous hints in that direction, will do so later.

For now, my vote will remain on iguana since the previous arguments that convinced me to do so are still valid.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 04:08:00 pm
What a bunch of confirmation bias.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 04:08:42 pm
Not sure what to make of all this. Seprix L-1 vote was surely strange, especially since the most recent Vote count was only 11 posts before his vote. IMO there are two possible explanations for that behavior:

1. (And far more likely): He just made a mistake, could be the case with either alignment. Therefore I wouldn't rate that as particular scummy (nor towny) since it is surely drawing attention towards him which is not helpful in either case.

2. (Don't know if it fits to Seprix previous behavior): He actually wanted to draw attention away from iguana. As you can see, two unvoted right after his vote and attention moved towards a Joseph-Seprix "bad-play" claim feast. Obviously that would only make sense if iguana and seprix form the mafia (or I am missing sth.). Haven't looked up the thread for previous hints in that direction, will do so later.

For now, my vote will remain on iguana since the previous arguments that convinced me to do so are still valid.

Interesting idea, that I could be distracting from Iguana. That's a deepish move, one I am not capable of.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 22, 2016, 04:22:03 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 04:27:18 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 04:30:31 pm
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

+1

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

Scum is probably among this group. It's all just empty agreement and sheeping. Scum loves to see this kind of case and reaction.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 04:32:12 pm
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 22, 2016, 04:42:11 pm
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 04:50:59 pm
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."

No. If their cases were good, I'd understand. As it stands, their case is awful awfuf awful.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 05:03:27 pm
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 05:05:04 pm
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?

Iguana is confusing me as well.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 05:13:37 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 22, 2016, 05:15:28 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?
Seprix is known for making blunders, yes. But I think he does them as both alignments. Probably more so as town.

However, he is a good enough player to put Iguanaiguana at an unannounced L-1 and know everyone will be 'whatever, Seprix will do Seprix-y things.'

So I'm actually going slightly scummy on Seprix.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 22, 2016, 05:32:51 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?
And I'm not? :(
I've played more games here than RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 06:12:30 pm
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 22, 2016, 06:13:57 pm
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?

Did you take into account that I am not voting for Joseph anymore? At least, I'm pretty sure I'm not...?

unvote in case
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 06:14:27 pm
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?

Oh, wait, no.. I may be confusing votes for Seprix and Joseph. Sorry, guys!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 06:34:55 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 06:44:28 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 06:50:52 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 07:11:56 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).

I think Iguana's actions are independent reactions to Seprix; if you don't try to join them up looking for a pattern, they make quite a lot of sense in isolation. I mean, it seems to be taken as fact that Seprix has a scummy-feeling meta, so it will do Iguana no good to deny it. But if Seprix has wound Iguana up, then it's also totally understandable that Iguana might make a post like the one where he was basically just accusing Seprix of massive OMGUS. Of course, the people who'd have the most difficulty building a coherent narative through their posts would be the scums, who're busy trying to manufacture fake arguments...

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 22, 2016, 07:26:18 pm
ok, I'll explain my point and my "+1" to mail-mi.

I wrote some ideas on Seprix and maybe they weren't very approving on the expert eye, but they were to me. Then, Seprix explained to me his mistakes and then IMO became strangely aggressive. After that I put +1 to mail-mi's message, because after some time I have really become more sure about Seprix. Das ist alles.

As was mentioned many times I neither a professional nor know how other players play. So, it's just my opinion, not "sheeping".
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 22, 2016, 07:38:26 pm
ok, I'll explain my point and my "+1" to mail-mi.

I wrote some ideas on Seprix and maybe they weren't very approving on the expert eye, but they were to me. Then, Seprix explained to me his mistakes and then IMO became strangely aggressive. After that I put +1 to mail-mi's message, because after some time I have really become more sure about Seprix. Das ist alles.

As was mentioned many times I neither a professional nor know how other players play. So, it's just my opinion, not "sheeping".

That "strangely aggressive" part is I think the main component is what people are talking about when they say he acts scummily all the time. If you re-read but try to separate tone from actual play content, do you feel any differently?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 08:33:01 pm
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.
What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
igu is 100% correct
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 08:35:58 pm
initially, I was of course mainly trying to provoke reactions.

it really depends on how you react, how believable it is, but generally, voting is the best reaction, not doing anything is the worst.

Joseph hasn't done anything and his push on Seprix is pretty telling. What Seprix did isn't alignment indicative and Joseph should know that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 08:39:45 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 08:56:14 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 09:09:46 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 09:53:05 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.

I don't think I did.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 22, 2016, 09:53:25 pm
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right?

yeah.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 10:02:12 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.

I don't think I did.
I meant mail-mi ;)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 22, 2016, 10:03:43 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.

I do agree with you on that point. But you're being super hedgey about it the scum team you're calling, and about your reads on them if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 22, 2016, 10:07:11 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.

I do agree with you on that point. But you're being super hedgey about it the scum team you're calling, and about your reads on them if I'm not mistaken.
Of course I am since I don't know anything for certain. I just have a relatively strong suspicion, but still don't think we should act prematurely.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 22, 2016, 11:40:49 pm
My narrative on Seprix has been 100% consistent. I think much of what he's done has been detrimental to town, particularly because he does things that so easily draw votes among a playerbase that doesn't know him.
 
Nevertheless, Seprix always does things like this, which puts his behavior well within his town meta. Therefore, I townread him. I don't think I've ever indicated that I thought he was scum this game.

Basically, I've criticized Seprix because I can be a condescending jerk. Don't mistake that for a scum narrative. My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 06:12:26 am
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

I don't buy that scum team as things stand, mainly because I'm reading you as considerably more scummy than Calamitas.

The fact your second sentence hints at a strategy where we lynch Joseph first has me worried, though, because I'm wary of falling into some scum trap :-/ That's because Joseph is someone I wouldn't mind seeing more scrutiny on, so that part of your subtly-hinted plan is something I could probably get behind. If you'd said Joseph-LaLight, I'd have found your overall call more compelling.

What was it you were fishing for when you were pushing newbies to elaborate on experience? The fact that Calamitas and I have IRL werewolf experience, and that LaLight admits to a lot of high-level IRL Mafia experience on top of werewolf  makes me wonder why you'd single Calamitas out. Unless you're going solely on the early shade Calamitas through on Joseph as a newbie trying to put distance between the scum buddies, and what you were fishing for wasn't over-performing noob, but actual lack of experience. Still, that doesn't really gel with your hidden player thing. I still think you're just being screwy with a lot of this :-(

In conclusion, I no longer feel that Iguana is the single most scummy prospect out there, so unvote.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 23, 2016, 09:04:00 am
You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

as for the questions about experience, it's always helpful to know, because some kinds behavior gets more or less scummy depending on that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 10:14:17 am
You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

Gah. You're still being annoyingly noncommittal and screwy. Most of the experienced players won't back a D1 lynch on you, though, will they?

Vote: Joseph
My reasoning being:
1) The early scum claim is null, but I still dislike it as establishment of an unhelpful meta.
2) He comments that the scum team probably want to keep him alive as an easy mis-lynch.
3) A "catch-up" at post #174 that ignored the actual conversations that had happened in the meantime.
4) Long disappearance which he even admits was over the 24-hour limit ("barely" still counts as "over"!).
5) He contributes nothing in terms of personal analysis of others' posts...
6) ... and yet be complains that SS's empty content isn't helping!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 23, 2016, 11:45:02 am
You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

Gah. You're still being annoyingly noncommittal and screwy. Most of the experienced players won't back a D1 lynch on you, though, will they?

I reject the first adjective claim. "If X is scum than Y looks town" is a useful thing to state, and that was all I did. I just committed on Joseph, so I'm not non-committal.

I'm not sure if I want to reject the second, it sounds kind of nice, though I don't quite know what it means.

Have a weirdly unfitting image of an angry old lady:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f8/1e/28/f81e289fedd3d5ae0d679f4386347936.jpg)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 23, 2016, 12:16:52 pm
Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 23, 2016, 12:28:59 pm
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 23, 2016, 01:44:05 pm
Having a crazy week, sorry.
Will try to post something useful today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 23, 2016, 03:08:00 pm
Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (3[/s2]): Seprix, RoadRunner7671 [/color][/color]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 23, 2016, 03:08:46 pm
Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)

Oh, I can't modify messages.
FTFME
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 23, 2016, 03:24:35 pm
Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)

Oh, I can't modify messages.
FTFME

Oh but I can
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 04:03:17 pm
Don't forget that seven of us are town, everyone. From each townie's perspective, there are 6 other town players, and 2 scum, so 1/4 chance that each other player could be scum right now. Lots of people are jumping around with their votes and being easily swayed by arguments. Some of those arguments are good and some are not.

Read each player. Look for a town motivation in their posts. D1 is more about figuring out who is likely to be town, because we don't have any hard information at this stage to hold people up against. The later days will be telling, when it comes to analyzing who votes for whom after people flip.

Maybe I just said a lot of nothing, but these comments felt like they needed mentioning to me.

I could vote for Joseph, but I'm not going to right now, with him saying that he'll post more content in the near future. I think the votes on Seprix are bad, and I've already given reasons for that. If Seprix is scum, he'll be easy enough to catch on D3. No need to lynch him on D1 with a 25% success rate.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 04:13:11 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

For whatever it's worth, I think this is the towniest thing you've posted by far, because this legitimate-looking of an attempt at game solving is hard for scum to fake, especially on D1 of your first game online.

I do think the line of thinking is misguided. Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

I've gotten scum teams like this stuck in my head before, so I guess I'll just say, if you are town, it's probably best to try to shake it. Getting an idea of who is scum stuck in your head is almost always detrimental early in the game, as whatever you are thinking is much more likely to be wrong than correct.

Anyway, I've been thinking about this post and the general tone of your posts so far and I think I may be wrong about you.

Unvote

I'm not sure who to vote for at this time.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 23, 2016, 04:19:36 pm
vote: Iguana
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 23, 2016, 04:24:38 pm
vote: Iguana
Eleboration please...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 04:50:36 pm
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.
It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 04:55:24 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 04:55:55 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 23, 2016, 05:05:23 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 05:06:01 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:06:10 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 23, 2016, 05:08:01 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.

I can change my avatar back to happy Peasant if you'd like.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 23, 2016, 05:08:17 pm
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

For whatever it's worth, I think this is the towniest thing you've posted by far, because this legitimate-looking of an attempt at game solving is hard for scum to fake, especially on D1 of your first game online.

I do think the line of thinking is misguided. Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

I've gotten scum teams like this stuck in my head before, so I guess I'll just say, if you are town, it's probably best to try to shake it. Getting an idea of who is scum stuck in your head is almost always detrimental early in the game, as whatever you are thinking is much more likely to be wrong than correct.

Anyway, I've been thinking about this post and the general tone of your posts so far and I think I may be wrong about you.

Unvote

I'm not sure who to vote for at this time.
I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.
Per the above, big long posts on D1 as scum on your first online game would be incredibly risky, so probably town.
Also, lots of posting = good, so we should be encouraging it.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 05:19:11 pm
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.
It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:21:51 pm
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.
It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 05:22:04 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

I'm not 100% on Seprix' thought process, but I believe it goes something like this:

A) Iguana sure seems different than the last few games. I don't like that.
B) He's trying to direct the players and guide them! Therefore, he must be manipulating them!

It is sad to me that in games where I don't try, I live through the whole game, scum or town, and in games where I put in effort I get lynched. It does not speak well of our site meta.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:22:33 pm
I don't want to lynch you today, but you are sort of scummy to me and lynching you wouldn't be the worst thing ever
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 05:22:48 pm
vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.

I can change my avatar back to happy Peasant if you'd like.

I could probably read lots into your continued adherence to a white masculine humanoid form...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:23:31 pm
@Iguanaiguana you aren't gonna get lynched today!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 05:23:57 pm
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.
It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better

silver reads me very well. Disagree on the other two. The only game where either Faust or Ash and me were both town was Harry Potter Mafia where I got lynched early on D1 and they were townies on the wagon.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 05:36:15 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 23, 2016, 05:40:56 pm
Don't know what seprix and rr are talking about. Town points to iguana.

In fact, rr seems way too hedgey about it. Feels almost like putting in a back up scum read for a mislynch later. vote: rr

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:44:37 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:45:19 pm
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 23, 2016, 05:47:13 pm
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:51:24 pm
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is!'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 23, 2016, 05:51:49 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Very often D1 does end up going to deadline, and getting a lynch sometimes from nowhere.
And lynching > mislynching almost always.
Even if we mislynch (which is statistically likely), it'll give us some information for D2.

PPE: 1?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 23, 2016, 05:53:14 pm
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is!'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 23, 2016, 05:53:36 pm
And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:54:23 pm
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'



Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.
Thanks, fixed.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 05:58:18 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 23, 2016, 05:59:22 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)
Just put your vote on someone you want to lynch that you think other people might lynch and you should be good
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 23, 2016, 06:02:56 pm
I'm also busy all day on deadline day.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 23, 2016, 06:15:44 pm
And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

Yeesh, how carefull have you thought about this?

Your lynch list is like a list of all the top most commonly mislynched players on F.ds, with the notable exception that it's missing you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 23, 2016, 06:17:15 pm
And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

Yeesh, how carefull have you thought about this?

Your lynch list is like a list of all the top most commonly mislynched players on F.ds, with the notable exception that it's missing you.

And me!

RR: Why do you think iguana is kinda scummy?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 23, 2016, 06:24:10 pm
maaaan it's so hard. I need lots of experience.

I think on someone, then I read and then I think on someone else. Through the posts only things that I am sure in my head are that Iguana is unlikely scummy, Calamitas and Joseph are likely scummy. But when I think deep on every player, reading only his posts I find something scummy in everyone.

Well. I'll stick to Seprix, though I can see that other people say it's his style of game. Still my suspicions are on. And I don't like how Silverspawn became silent. Just like in the start he posted all the way, but then, when we started to think on other players, he just decided to wait for mislynch. Can it be possible? Whom can I trust? I'm alone in this dark city
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 23, 2016, 06:31:46 pm
And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

I think with 3/9 players being newbies, that might be too many for you guys not to consider us. Naively (i.e. with me deliberately including myself for the purposes of an explanation) there's a 7/12 chance that the scum team has one or more newbies in it.. that's more than 58%. (36 ways of picking a unique pair from 9, and only 15 of those ways give no newbies in the pair, since there are 6 non-newbies and it's 0.5*n*(n-1)).

From the perspective of an experienced player who also knows themself to be town, it's even more likely that the scumteam has newbies, with a 64% chance. Even if you also believe I'm town, it's still just over 50%. Of course with me town, the only possible all-newbie team is Calamitas-LaLight, so it's very likely (over 90%) that even in the case of there being a newbie on the scumteam, there's also a non-newbie on the team for us to kill D1. But I feel like a scum newbie might be easier to catch with greater confidence, so it's just not something I want to rule out.

Sorry if it's vaguely scummy to post stats that allow you to consider the possibility I could be scum when obviously I'm not, but I wanted the numbers to to more of the talking :-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 23, 2016, 07:06:29 pm
And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

I think with 3/9 players being newbies, that might be too many for you guys not to consider us. Naively (i.e. with me deliberately including myself for the purposes of an explanation) there's a 7/12 chance that the scum team has one or more newbies in it.. that's more than 58%. (36 ways of picking a unique pair from 9, and only 15 of those ways give no newbies in the pair, since there are 6 non-newbies and it's 0.5*n*(n-1)).

From the perspective of an experienced player who also knows themself to be town, it's even more likely that the scumteam has newbies, with a 64% chance. Even if you also believe I'm town, it's still just over 50%. Of course with me town, the only possible all-newbie team is Calamitas-LaLight, so it's very likely (over 90%) that even in the case of there being a newbie on the scumteam, there's also a non-newbie on the team for us to kill D1. But I feel like a scum newbie might be easier to catch with greater confidence, so it's just not something I want to rule out.

Sorry if it's vaguely scummy to post stats that allow you to consider the possibility I could be scum when obviously I'm not, but I wanted the numbers to to more of the talking :-)
Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 23, 2016, 08:19:02 pm
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...
Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)

those smileys
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 23, 2016, 08:25:11 pm
smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 24, 2016, 04:27:51 am
smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 04:40:06 am
Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)

The story goes that Reverend Thomas Bayes invented his theorem originally so that he could put faith in god into his statistical reasoning...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 04:45:44 am
those smileys

Makes a change from cheerful old Seprix at least, right? :-)

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 24, 2016, 04:47:52 am
smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

ok, rereading my post I see your point. I am not a scum, believe it or not. In D1 I try to figure out defferencies between mafia live and forum mafia, and I'm dashed by how many are there. That's what my previous post was about.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 04:51:18 am
got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 12:13:39 pm
Harrrumph! It's more than 7 hours since my last post, less than 24 hours from the deadline, and none of you is saying anything...

You're all Scummy McScumfaces :-(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:07:09 pm
got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..
LaLight-Joseph? How?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:18:35 pm
My reads/lynch options:

1. silverspawn - null read, could lynch
2. Calamitas - seems towny + newbie pass
3. Seprix - never seems towny to me, could definitely lynch
4. Roadrunner7671 - ditto, although I prefer Seprix > RR
5. Iguanaiguana - seems kind of towny
6. Mail-mi - null read, could lynch
7. SpaceAnemone - mild town read + newbie pass
8. LaLight - null read but newbie pass
9. Joseph2302 - town for sure
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:20:20 pm
And I believe we should let newbies pass D1 without lynching, because they're more likely to screw up later as scum, and also it encourages them to play more.

Either way, the maths says there's most likely 1 newbie!scum and 2 non-newbie!scum, so if that's the case then we're increasing our odds of getting scum from 3/8 to 2/5 (from my perspective, as I'm town).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:23:56 pm
cool.

Let's lynch Joseph.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:24:16 pm
Wait, there's only 2 scum in 9.
Maths check needed......

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:26:30 pm
So maths (assuming I'm good):

Probability that both scum are new: 3/8 x 2/7 = 6/56 = 3/28
Probability that both scum aren't new: 5/8 x 4/7 = 20/56 = 10/28
So probability we have 1 newbie!scum, and 1 non-newbie!scum is 15/28.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:27:47 pm
And this is relevant because?

You know I'm the biggest defender of maths when it is. But I don't see how those mean anything for whom we should lynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:28:08 pm
In that case, if we have 1 newbie!scum and 1 non-newbie!scum, then we're marginally reducing our odds of finding scum from 2/8 to 1/5.

That's 5%, but worth it I think- especially as I think 2 of the newbies are towny enough.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:28:53 pm
And this is relevant because?

You know I'm the biggest defender of maths when it is. But I don't see how those mean anything for whom we should lynch.
See my PPE comment.
Trying to work out if ruling any newbies is a good idea or not.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:31:51 pm
You are either trying to deflect from something or you are confused about some things.

All you're doing is laying groups over players, putting them into sets, and then doing maths with those. But the probability for each player is already fixed. None of that calculating changes this probability, so it seems pointless.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:35:33 pm
Show me a single post where you tried to figure out someone's alignment.

I'm not sure if you even have a post that is about someone's alignment.

What kind of town game are you playing?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:36:12 pm
So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:37:22 pm
Show me a single post where you tried to figure out someone's alignment.

I'm not sure if you even have a post that is about someone's alignment.

What kind of town game are you playing?
I'm playing a confused one, with a confused amount of maths in it.

But I think Calamitas & Space seem towny to me- they've been active and lots of the stuff they've been saying has been towny.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:38:05 pm
Although if I assume they're town, then that changes all my maths.

Guess I'll have to recalculate it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:38:22 pm
That was a joke btw.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:41:27 pm
So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets. Maths doesn't work that way! You can't change your results without information that is alignment indicative. And you didn't include information that is alignment indicative!

Quote
(assuming I'm good)

Without following... this is probably the reason why you get different results (assuming you didn't make other mistakes). Obviously, if you assume this then the larger group yields better results because the larger group has a smaller chance of hitting the IC.

But since we can't assume this it isn't useful for anyone else.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:45:27 pm
Post counts:

Me 32
ss 50
Calamitas 35
Seprix 35
RR 51
ii 36
mail-mi 24
SpaceAnemone 43
LaLight 25

Well, that have me not a lot of info.
ii more active than recently, but nothing else to get from those counts.
No extreme lurkers though, which is good.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:46:17 pm
post
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:46:29 pm
and #1  :D
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 01:46:50 pm
So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets. Maths doesn't work that way! You can't change your results without information that is alignment indicative. And you didn't include information that is alignment indicative!

Quote
(assuming I'm good)

Without following... this is probably the reason why you get different results (assuming you didn't make other mistakes). Obviously, if you assume this then the larger group yields better results because the larger group has a smaller chance of hitting the IC.

But since we can't assume this it isn't useful for anyone else.
Yh, I'm pretty sure the maths is plain wrong.
Also, I calculated as 2/8, as it assumed I was good (who wouldn't assume that they're good?)

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 01:48:29 pm
well don't bother correcting it, please. The best mathematician in the world can't calculate odds that are different from 2/9
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 01:51:08 pm
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 24, 2016, 01:58:53 pm
Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 02:14:21 pm
Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..
LaLight-Joseph? How?

By picking two players I'm suspicious of and sticking a hyphen in between their names, pretty much.

Other players I think are moderately suspicious are Silver and Mail-mi. Iguana has migrated to a bit of a null. I'm leaning town on the other three, so I would probably oppose a lynch on them without some really juicy new evidence.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 02:15:58 pm
Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..
LaLight-Joseph? How?

By picking two players I'm suspicious of and sticking a hyphen in between their names, pretty much.

Other players I think are moderately suspicious are Silver and Mail-mi. Iguana has migrated to a bit of a null. I'm leaning town on the other three, so I would probably oppose a lynch on them without some really juicy new evidence.

Explain on me please?

I'm gonna put a reads list up soon. Didn't realize how close deadline was.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 02:18:17 pm
All of the three 'wagons' are my preferred lynches, maybe less so with Iguanaiguana, but I don't know if I will be around for the deadline
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 02:28:56 pm
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5

... defending Joseph's maths is pretty scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 02:31:37 pm
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5

... defending Joseph's maths is pretty scummy.
Yh my maths is crap.
Town points to ss for wanting to stop my nonsense, and talk useful things instead.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 02:33:21 pm
Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 02:34:35 pm
Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.
2 in 8, assuming you're good.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 24, 2016, 02:52:42 pm
Explain on me please?

Many small things! You scumread people I think are being quite towny, and then also town-read LaLight without evidence beyond a feeling you said is based on having played Codewords. You went after RR quite strongly over the "leadership" issue even though there wasn't really anything worth debating there. You were on the suspicious-looking Seprix wagon at the point he was posting his suspicions about it. You had an argument against RR that you explicitly couldn't (or didn't want to) articulate to allow for any scrutiny. And you managed all that while also posting fewer times than any other player.

Yeah, I think mild suspicion is in order there :-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 03:38:01 pm
it must be nice being so happy all the time >_<
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 03:39:52 pm
Explain on me please?

Many small things! You scumread people I think are being quite towny, and then also town-read LaLight without evidence beyond a feeling you said is based on having played Codewords. You went after RR quite strongly over the "leadership" issue even though there wasn't really anything worth debating there. You were on the suspicious-looking Seprix wagon at the point he was posting his suspicions about it. You had an argument against RR that you explicitly couldn't (or didn't want to) articulate to allow for any scrutiny. And you managed all that while also posting fewer times than any other player.

Yeah, I think mild suspicion is in order there :-)

Reasonable; I haven't looked at LaLight since like the very beginning of day; I thought there was; I thought he was scummy. Still think he is; I couldn't do the argument justice while I was on my phone, and now I'm on computer so I'll take a closer look at it again and see if it is bad like I thought it was.

Also, I'm more of an observer than a sayer. So I just don't post much, as scum or town. (I know it's not good, and I'm working on it.)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 03:56:43 pm
Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote

What's worse is this:

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?

Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 03:59:46 pm
I'm not sure if that's scummy or not, but I do want him to answer my question. Being ignored is saddening
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 04:02:23 pm
Time for a reads list!!

1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 04:03:04 pm
I'm not sure if that's scummy or not, but I do want him to answer my question. Being ignored is saddening
it's scummy.

I also include all of my previous reasoning for voting seprix with that vote, btw.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 04:04:51 pm
Time for a reads list!!

1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.

So, a scum to chum list. (does nobody call it that anymore? if so, that's sad.)

Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 04:07:18 pm
Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.
2 in 8, assuming you're good.
I was talking about at the beginning of the game when gkrieg was assigning roles
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 04:25:06 pm
Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 24, 2016, 05:04:50 pm
Sorry for my inactivity, was travelling all day (Summerholdidays hurray ;-)).
My current reads are (in decending order of scummyness):
 
Seprix: scummy; playing really strange throughout the game (including the L-1); would be happy with a lynch

La light: scummy; appeared to be town but overdid it lately which made the whole thing look forced. Also didn't contribute too much; would be happy with a lynch

Silver, Joseph: I have basically a nullread on them, in the case of silver because of his ridiculous behavior, in Josephs case because of his absence. I would agree with lynching them since it is probably better to lynch them instead of not lynching at all. However, I won't force it since they are definitely better targets out there (see above).

Iguana: Still find him suspicious l but it did cool up a bit after his recent reactions. However, that might have been just a clever way to escape pressure; A target that I could live with but I would prefer other ones today. We have to watch him closely though.

Space, road, mail: seem towny by now; definitely no target for day 1 lynch. We have to look how the flips turn out to get further their.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 24, 2016, 05:07:11 pm
Sorry for my inactivity, was travelling all day (Summerholdidays hurray ;-)).
My current reads are (in decending order of scummyness):
 
Seprix: scummy; playing really strange throughout the game (including the L-1); would be happy with a lynch

La light: scummy; appeared to be town but overdid it lately which made the whole thing look forced. Also didn't contribute too much; would be happy with a lynch

Silver, Joseph: I have basically a nullread on them, in the case of silver because of his ridiculous behavior, in Josephs case because of his absence. I would agree with lynching them since it is probably better to lynch them instead of not lynching at all. However, I won't force it since they are definitely better targets out there (see above).

Iguana: Still find him suspicious l but it did cool up a bit after his recent reactions. However, that might have been just a clever way to escape pressure; A target that I could live with but I would prefer other ones today. We have to watch him closely though.

Space, road, mail: seem towny by now; definitely no target for day 1 lynch. We have to look how the flips turn out to get further their.
Sorry, the order of Seprix and lalight should be the other way around.
vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 05:25:15 pm
Want to lynch:

Maybe Roadrunner, maybe Mail-mi, maybe Calamitas, maybe Joseph. If there isn't scum in at least one of those, I'm doing it wrong. 

Don't want to lynch:

Seprix, LaLight, silverspawn, SpaceAnenome. If both scum are in those four, good job scum, & I suck.

Vote: Joseph2302

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 24, 2016, 05:25:41 pm
well, I think i screwed up somehow. don't wanna be lynched. Will you take for the account that i was at first shy cause i don't know any of you and at second somehow embarrassed by my lack of level in english so i tried to make you not to judge me harshly? I see now where I was wrong.

My first and main idea was to see D1 what is happening. I an forced to write posts, so when I didn't know what to write, I've written same things with different words. If you lynch me, reread this post =)

So my thoughts:

1)Silver: Scummy, the scummiest one so far.
2)Mail-mi: seems scummy too, because of little amount of posts mostly
3)RR: Null, nothing to say so far
4)SpaceAnemone: null
5)Calamitas: Slightly scummy but I have doubts
6)Joseph: Looks like town
7)Iguana: Town i thought, town i think
8)Seprix: More scummy than town, wrote about my moteves before
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 24, 2016, 05:53:33 pm
I have no guarantee of any availability before the deadline.

I like my vote where it is right now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 24, 2016, 05:55:46 pm
Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.
If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.
In respect to the deadline, I will change my vote from LaLight to Seprix since no one except me is voting currently on LaLight.

vote: Seprix putting him on L-1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 06:24:42 pm
Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.
If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.
In respect to the deadline, I will change my vote from LaLight to Seprix since no one except me is voting currently on LaLight.

vote: Seprix putting him on L-1

Oh, oops. I moved my name, but forgot to edit the number.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 06:39:40 pm
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 06:42:28 pm
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:01:33 pm
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine!  :)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:07:44 pm
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

I say

Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.


and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks  I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:08:43 pm
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine!  :)

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:09:45 pm
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine!  :)

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
Ouch. One day is a lot of time
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:13:42 pm
Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:15:13 pm
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine!  :)

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
Ouch. One day is a lot of time

well we have until tomorrow at noon and a lot of people won't be on tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:15:48 pm
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 07:17:12 pm
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

I say

Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.


and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks  I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference.

That makes sense. I'll have to think about it.

Meanwhile...

Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls

Stop making me want to vote you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:17:55 pm
YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING IGUANAIGUANA DON'T TELL ME I NEED TO VOTE IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:18:41 pm
Oops
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:18:54 pm
Just forget about that
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 07:19:41 pm
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 24, 2016, 07:26:18 pm
Vote Count 1.6


iguanaiguana (1): Seprix
Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi, Calamitas {L-1}
Joseph2302 (3): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 18 hours left
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.

Do you have any context? Seprix is always so scummy. He gets mislynched literally every game he's in. I challenge anyone to find an exception to that in the past few months.

I would vote silver. Similar odds with him as with Joseph.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 07:28:06 pm
If we go after silver, I'd at least like to hear about all his plans and machinations that he's been keeping to himself so far this game. How on earth does he think he has it solved?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 24, 2016, 07:32:32 pm
ok, I don't know what time you guys have but I have 2.30 am and go to sleep. Before I go I have to decide is it Seprix or Joseph... And I still think on Seprix. So, I hope I'll wake up and the game will be one scum shorter.

Good night!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 07:39:05 pm
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.

Do you have any context? Seprix is always so scummy. He gets mislynched literally every game he's in. I challenge anyone to find an exception to that in the past few months.

I would vote silver. Similar odds with him as with Joseph.

I don't have any knowledge of meta. But thinking about it more, you've changed my mind, at least for now.

Let's try it. vote: ss
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:43:12 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:44:56 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:47:38 pm
Lynch should right now be either Joseph - reread his posts (do it, it only takes three minutes), they are almost exclusive.ly about things other than alignments, and the few alignment posts he has are after I called him out on it.

Or LaLight based on hia latest post:

well, I think i screwed up somehow. don't wanna be lynched. Will you take for the account that i was at first shy cause i don't know any of you and at second somehow embarrassed by my lack of level in english so i tried to make you not to judge me harshly? I see now where I was wrong.

My first and main idea was to see D1 what is happening. I an forced to write posts, so when I didn't know what to write, I've written same things with different words. If you lynch me, reread this post =)

So my thoughts:

snip reads list

overreaction to pressure is one of the oldest and best scum tells.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:48:39 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 07:49:21 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.
W h a t

Sorry, but I just blatantly disagree with that
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 07:49:32 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:54:51 pm
This is Joseph:

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160825/id3be3dx.png)

watching and staying out of trouble.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:55:50 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.
W h a t

Sorry, but I just blatantly disagree with that

he's just being lazy and making empty posts. Inexperienced scum does that all the time. Which is the only problem with the case; Joseph might also know better.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:57:31 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safe are much more active and towny safe than this.

fwfy

The point about activity is particularly unwarranted. I literally have the highest post count.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:13 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 07:59:17 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safe are much more active and towny safe than this.

fwfy

The point about activity is particularly unwarranted. I literally have the highest post count.

Should say "actively townie."
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:00:40 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 08:02:34 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.

Because you have so much more leeway to be experimental as scum, yes?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 08:03:23 pm
The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 24, 2016, 08:04:34 pm
Silverspawn is pretty mucj scum or a PR. I'd rather lynch Joseph or Seprix. I'm not sure though. We'll see. I'm going to try pretty hard to get a vote in before the deadline
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:06:44 pm
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.

Because you have so much more leeway to be experimental as scum, yes?

WIFOM.

The whole "I have the game solved, but people keep talking. I'm not gonna tell you how I solved it, but just trust me." is not townie. I think that your acting different is a gambit to try to appear town, "hey I'm different so I'm town because it would be to risky for scum." You are ballsy enough a scum player to do that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:07:03 pm
The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.
Please, do.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 08:16:47 pm
The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.
Please, do.

Fine.

The most important thing to have early in a small game is activity. So I gave people stuff to talk about.

I even had to resort to not-so-subtle ways

I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.

I dropped the act after this post

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

because I hadn't realized that I'm the only vet (although this is not quite true) so it may not be the best time.

Here:

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Who are you and have you played mafia before?

I don't think you signed our pledge (link), (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.msg219889#msg219889) did you?


I had to figure out if the curly brackets qualify as a scum slip or not.

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

This is literally true

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

The suspicion is Joseph largely based on ignoring my behavior, and explaining it was at that point detrimental because I wanted to see if he comments later first. Turns out he did not.

Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.

It is good to be weird. Sole reason we're having this discussion.

Any other post?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 08:22:35 pm
I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than silver I think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:26:05 pm
Thank you. unvote.

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than silver I think.

reasons plz?

Here's a problem I have: i'm too willing to believe people IRL. and it translates to mafia too. that's why i sheep people a lot, because it's hard to find scum on my own, because i am too willing to believe. I wouldn't call it gullible, but eh.

Anyway. I have too many townreads now. hm...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:29:06 pm
Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver. could lynch if necessary, but not preferred.

off to do seprix again to see.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:37:10 pm
Okay, I'm gonna go back to a vote: seprix. Here's my reason: he has been online since his last post, and hasn't said a thing in this game. He also has not answered RR's question as to how certain he is, which is much more a scum trait than a town one. Town wants to provide as much content and answers that they can. Scum are the ones to avoid questions, because they don't want to be found out as lying.

this is back to L-1.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 08:47:30 pm
Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.

What? :o
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 08:47:59 pm
vote: LaLight

How about this?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 24, 2016, 08:51:47 pm
vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:55:37 pm
Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.

What? :o

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.
Per the above, big long posts on D1 as scum on your first online game would be incredibly risky, so probably town.
Also, lots of posting = good, so we should be encouraging it.

PPE: 1

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

My reads/lynch options:

1. silverspawn - null read, could lynch
2. Calamitas - seems towny + newbie pass
3. Seprix - never seems towny to me, could definitely lynch
4. Roadrunner7671 - ditto, although I prefer Seprix > RR
5. Iguanaiguana - seems kind of towny
6. Mail-mi - null read, could lynch
7. SpaceAnemone - mild town read + newbie pass
8. LaLight - null read but newbie pass
9. Joseph2302 - town for sure

Yh my maths is crap.
Town points to ss for wanting to stop my nonsense, and talk useful things instead.

I have no guarantee of any availability before the deadline.

I like my vote where it is right now.

It's not that much, but I think it's more than you're trying to say. It's only 7/33, but his math takes up a huge chunk of that, which was a lot of posts in a short amount of time. and i think the attempt at math makes him look more towny than scummy, but that's just a gut read.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 08:55:53 pm
vote: LaLight

How about this?

I could. would rather see if seprix takes off.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 09:16:29 pm
vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 09:21:27 pm
Okay, I'm gonna go back to a vote: seprix. Here's my reason: he has been online since his last post, and hasn't said a thing in this game. He also has not answered RR's question as to how certain he is, which is much more a scum trait than a town one. Town wants to provide as much content and answers that they can. Scum are the ones to avoid questions, because they don't want to be found out as lying.

this is back to L-1.

This is an actual good case against Seprix. I didn't realize he was acti-lurking. That's not in his town meta. His not responding to that and just switching his vote to LaLight is even scummier. Maybe I was wrong?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 09:37:54 pm
Meh. The last two are after I called him out, and the first three are about Seprix which I disagree with.

Although he was a bit too absent this game. Maybe he isn't the worst lynch

And there's only one scum buddy, so "too many people want it" isn't really an argument. Hm.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 24, 2016, 09:38:46 pm
Off to sleep though, gonna reread Sperix later to see.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 24, 2016, 09:43:15 pm
vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 09:59:34 pm
vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

Ugh.

When this game is over, I am going to quote this statement again, to prove to you that you were wrong, make you eat your words, and hopefully question every piece of the faulty metric by which you currently sort scum from town.

You shoot yourself in the foot at the end of every single day. You have obvious paths out from being lynched and do not take them. I am not going to participate in it. I refuse to hammer you. I've seen you do this as town too many times.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 10:00:38 pm
vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are town, give us your reads, give us something before you die!!

DON"T JUST GIVE UP YOU FOOL ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 24, 2016, 10:04:23 pm
At this point, I look terrible after Seprix flips regardless of alignment. Thanks for dragging me down with you, buddy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 24, 2016, 10:13:09 pm
At this point, I look terrible after Seprix flips regardless of alignment. Thanks for dragging me down with you, buddy.

Still look frustrated town to me.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 12:52:33 am
Seprix has been on since iguana and I posted.

someone plz hammer him.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 25, 2016, 02:59:13 am
Vote: Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 03:26:45 am
Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 03:51:36 am
If I'm not mistaken, votes are these:

Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, Calamitas, mail-mi {L-1}
Joseph2302 (2):  SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana
Lalight (2): Silverspawn, Seprix
Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671



Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 03:54:48 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 03:55:32 am
And if he can: is doublevoter a scum or a town?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 04:21:14 am
Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 04:22:02 am
And if he can: is doublevoter a scum or a town?

He cannot. There is a setup post which tells you which roles can be in the game. They are all only active at night.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 04:23:41 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 04:37:09 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.
As I said, I would be in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 04:40:01 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

That question was a joke.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 04:40:37 am
Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.

That makes some sense, I guess. But if my half-asleep newbie self can work out it wasn't a hammer, surely someone with Seprix's experience won't fall for it? Hmm.. except it happened in that other game recently, didn't it? Huh :-(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 25, 2016, 05:07:45 am
Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.
Exactly.
Hoping Seprix would make the mistake I did in M83
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 05:08:34 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.
As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 05:47:05 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.
As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight
Since it does make sense now,
Vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 05:47:43 am
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.
As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight
Since it does make sense now,
Vote: LaLight
Putting him on L-1!!!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 06:01:45 am
I don't love it. She's nice.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 06:01:58 am
Lalight: Defense?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 06:07:13 am
I don't love it. She's nice.

"Nice", rather than "town"? :-/
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 06:11:49 am
Man, that escalated quickly. Take a look on calamitas and joseph after my elimination and seeing i'm town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 06:12:28 am
I don't love it. She's nice.

I'm he :)))
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 06:40:32 am
vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 06:45:32 am
vote: LaLight

ok, I really was town. thanks for game. advise you on calamitas and joseph like i said
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 06:50:01 am
I don't love it. She's nice.

I'm he :)))

Sorry my bad, also sorry we killed you. That was a bad wagon.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 06:57:30 am
Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 07:09:07 am
Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong

To an extent, you just got unlucky.  Don't stress it, it can happen to anyone.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 07:13:27 am
Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong

To an extent, you just got unlucky.  Don't stress it, it can happen to anyone.

Right. I'll maybe try more.

GL to my fellow townies!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 25, 2016, 08:44:12 am
vote: LaLight

ok, I really was town. thanks for game. advise you on calamitas and joseph like i said
So you think we're scum? Or town?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:53:31 am
It's amazing how fakehammers work even if we've talked about it five seconds ago.

LaLight, you're not hammered.

The question now is whether or not his reaction was genuine.

If yes, we need to get another wagon going.

I'm not sure... mh, when is deadline?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:54:30 am
Yikes, I think it's in three hours.

And I need to go in 5 minutes.

decisions... decisions...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 08:56:02 am
What are your current reads silver?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:56:26 am
I think I only give about 40% to his reaction being genuine.

But that is enough to put his overall scum % below Joseph.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 08:56:46 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:57:07 am
What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 08:57:24 am
Vote: Joseph2302

I think I already am though.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:57:29 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 08:58:40 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I'm at work, the deadline is in 3 hours, it's busy here and I've got shit to do. I'm trying to get things done so we don't get a no lynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 25, 2016, 08:59:06 am
I checked the site to see a flip, not to post more.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 08:59:42 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I'm at work, the deadline is in 3 hours, it's busy here and I've got shit to do. I'm trying to get things done so we don't get a no lynch.

That's fair, but you also sort of seemed like you knew that LaLight would flip town.

I'm right now debating whether I want to lynch Joseph or start a cfD on you...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 09:00:28 am
DING DING DING.

Okay, made my decision.

vote: Joseph

Will be back in an hour and a bit.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 09:02:58 am
What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?
Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.
I am not so sure, if he were scum his attempt of seeming innocent by playing possum would have been really bad. Understanding a fakehammer is totally a different level, but I wouldn't put it past him. Overall, 25% chance of not getting the fakehammer and beeing genuine. But would be fine with a lynch anyway, would prefer Seprix though.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 09:07:42 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 09:11:19 am
Mhhhh so close to deadline. And I really don't know what to make of Seprix's refusal to explain anything. Maybe it makes him townier? I don't know.

I still think he has a better chance of flipping scum than Joseph though...what's the vote count right now?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 09:21:25 am
Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!

Vote: Joseph
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 09:23:10 am
Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!

Vote: Joseph
confirm my vote: LaLight (L-2)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 09:24:19 am
Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 09:25:44 am
Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.

Ah, or it might be L-1 with the intervening post.
Please be careful everyone...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 25, 2016, 09:28:05 am
unvote

LaLight is new, his reaction is 100% genuine.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 09:28:16 am
This sucks.

Intent to hammer Joseph.

After reading Lalight's thing over a few times, I think it's genuine town, though I'll take a closer look at him tomorrow.

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 09:28:59 am
unvote

LaLight is new, his reaction is 100% genuine.

can we plz lynch seprix?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 25, 2016, 09:29:14 am
With LaLight being town, all that is left is Joseph and Mail Mi for the people on my wagon. Mail Mi I can look at later, but I think he could be town. Joseph is someone I could likely hammer today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 09:30:39 am
Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.

Ah, or it might be L-1 with the intervening post.
Please be careful everyone...
Its definitely L-1

I still believe LaLight/Seprix are much more likely to flip scum. LaLights reaction on the fakehammer seems so forced again, just don't believe in his innocene.
But I'm willing to hammer Jospeh if a lynch of either one above is impossible,but please consider the arguments before you lock yourself on Joseph.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:06:28 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 25, 2016, 10:09:49 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 10:17:17 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

vote: seprix
vote: seprix
vote: seprix

(And not just for the hammer steal. :P)

We had time!!! Two hours is time enough to see if Joseph can say anything.

ugh.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 25, 2016, 10:17:43 am
flip in an hour or so
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:19:54 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph
That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:20:31 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph
That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.
*Lets just hope
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 10:21:39 am
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph
That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.
*Lets just hope

Justizielle? That's some bad autocorrupt.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 10:31:56 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.

Yes, of course. I thought most of you would know. The weird thing about iguana was that he didn't know and still wasn't surprised.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 10:32:48 am
What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?
Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.
I am not so sure, if he were scum his attempt of seeming innocent by playing possum would have been really bad. Understanding a fakehammer is totally a different level, but I wouldn't put it past him. Overall, 25% chance of not getting the fakehammer and beeing genuine. But would be fine with a lynch anyway, would prefer Seprix though.

Makes sense. I guess you didn't know that I'd be back.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 10:33:06 am
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.

Yes, of course. I thought most of you would know. The weird thing about iguana was that he didn't know and still wasn't surprised.

Huh, interesting...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on August 25, 2016, 10:35:06 am
Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Joseph2302 on August 25, 2016, 10:39:14 am
Don't lynch me- I'm town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:44:42 am
Don't lynch me- I'm town.
You are already lynched :/
Please let us know everything you know of you are actual town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:46:02 am
Don't lynch me- I'm town.
You are already lynched :/
Please let us know everything you know of you are actual town.
"if you are actual town"
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:52:28 am
Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.

I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 25, 2016, 10:53:32 am
Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.
I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.

My typing is awful today.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 11:05:28 am
Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 25, 2016, 11:06:54 am
If I survive tomorrow, I'll present cases.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 25, 2016, 11:08:45 am
Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post

If you play long enough here, we start to learn what your meta is, and the mislynches go down, at least a little bit.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on August 25, 2016, 11:10:21 am
Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post

If you play long enough here, we start to learn what your meta is, and the mislynches go down, at least a little bit.

You're trying to sell me more mafia games, i see through you! :)
Yeah, hope so. I'll play more, certainly
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 25, 2016, 11:21:46 am
Don't lynch me- I'm town.

Wouldn't town be leaving words of wisdom and suspicion behind for their faction at this stage?

If you really are town, that might just help us win.. especially because you being so would indicate that some of us have our reads waaaay off at the moment. Calibration data might help :-)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 25, 2016, 11:37:12 am
The olympic sports were all in shock.  Who could be the real sports?  They felt like they had known each other for so long? 

"One of my friends is a traitor?" asked Trampoline.

"Two of your friends are traitors", answered Badminton.

They frantically decided on ways to out the Real Sports. 

"Maybe we can just all close our eyes and see who gets uncomfortable with no one watching them", Diving said.

As they all closed their eyes, they noticed that one of them started to squirm.


Vote Count 1.final

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Seprix (2): Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (5): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, LaLight, SpaceAnemone, Seprix

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Joseph has been lynched! 

He was Fencing, the Vanilla Townie

Night 1 begins now and ends Saturday August 27th at noon.  Night actions will be due 1 hour before deadline.

THREAD LOCKED
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 28, 2016, 10:50:10 am
As they all were busy watching the spectators during the olympics, it came to a commercial break.  They loved watching commercials!  Someone might mention them in the news!

Swimming got excited that Michael Phelps might come on the screen.

A reporter came on. 

"This just in, the Olympic committee has decided to not include rowing in this years Olympics, due to the water conditions around Rio.  Until further notice, there will be no rowing competitions."

All the Olympic sports gasped.  How could they not include Rowing in the Olympics!

Deep down, Football knew soon that he would be getting his chance to shine...


SpaceAnemone has been killed!

They were Rowing, the Watcher

Day 2 begins now and ends Sunday September 4 at noon


Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Calamitas, Seprix, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

THREAD UNLOCKED
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 11:34:13 am
vote: LaLight
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 11:50:09 am
If I survive tomorrow, I'll present cases.
We are waiting
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:02:42 pm
RR is townie. I can confirm this after my night's action. So..
vote: seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:03:33 pm
irrrrrrrrrrr ... this is a big loss.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:03:50 pm
Spaceanemone was the watcher. What does the watcher do?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:05:32 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:06:48 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

Is it when everyone tells his role? I'm in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:07:14 pm
Spaceanemone was the watcher. What does the watcher do?

Target X.

Get a list of all players who targeted X that night.

So it's useful for catching scum; if you target the guy who is being shot, you probably know who shot them.

And you can sometimes verify other claims.

It's a pretty strong role.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:08:50 pm
if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:11:23 pm
if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.

So it is when everybody tells their role? And i must choose the order of players? Ok.

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:11:57 pm
if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.

So it is when everybody tells their role? And i must choose the order of players? Ok.

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Or i can start. Doesnt really matter
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:15:22 pm
Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Explain why you did the list like this to me.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:19:20 pm
Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Explain why you did the list like this to me.

It's my suspicions from top to bottom. And if someone frome above make up some role and the one above says he has the same i will suspect the one from above more.

E.g. Seprix says he is comissar, then RR says the same. I'll be sure Seprix is scum
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:20:32 pm
Second "above" is actually "below". Sorry
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 12:22:16 pm
Woah. Mass claiming on D2?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:23:32 pm
Woah. Mass claiming on D2?

I think it's because it's 9-player game and we are 7 currently
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 12:25:12 pm
That's the normal thing to do when you make a claiming order.

What is odd here is that first you seem to know what you're doing, and then you say you can also go first.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:29:15 pm
That's the normal thing to do when you make a claiming order.

What is odd here is that first you seem to know what you're doing, and then you say you can also go first.

Idk how it's right. I'd go last of course.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 12:45:52 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 12:46:54 pm
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:47:12 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

And can i ask why me?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:48:07 pm
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

Why is it if you're not scum? I'm nearly sure you don't have power role as townie
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 12:48:51 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

And can i ask why me?

It was you or Joseph. Joseph was not the scum. Therefore, you are the next viable option. However, you simply going along with SS can be explained by lack of experience. What SS did was inexcusable. A mass claim is NOT the best option here, not by a long shot.

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

Why is it if you're not scum? I'm nearly sure you don't have power role as townie

No comment.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 12:55:28 pm
How many townies can have a pr? Can it be 4?
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 01:04:49 pm
Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.

Roles:
  • Jailkeeper: 4
  • Tracker: 4
  • Watcher: 4
  • Rolecop: 4
  • Vigilante: 3
  • Doctor: 2
  • Neapolitan: 1
  • Roleblocker: 1
  • Bodyguard: 1

Modifiers:
  • Random: -3
  • Weak: -2
  • Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
  • Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
  • Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
  • Macho: 0
  • Loud: 1
  • Ascetic: 2
  • Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher



All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!

Read up.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:06:47 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 01:09:07 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?

1. That's funny. There is only two scum. That was incredibly careless of me. I seem to always be doing that.
2. I'm not afraid to claim. It's not a problem for me. I just don't think it's the best option. Do you get me?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:14:23 pm
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.
'I'm not afraid to claim'

I don't want to either, but if everyone thinks it's a good idea I can adapt
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:14:30 pm
Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:16:11 pm
Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.
Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 01:16:40 pm
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.
'I'm not afraid to claim'

I don't want to either, but if everyone thinks it's a good idea I can adapt

Don't give in to group think. I'm starting to think you're a scum player as well. So much poor play this game.

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.
Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?

We're not claiming!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:17:28 pm
Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.
Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?

I can neither confirm nor deny that we're claiming or that I know stuff from role powers.

Also no-one said we're massclaiming. I was asking if we should do it, and that was partially to see what LaLight does.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:18:31 pm
Seeing as we have majority lynching, group thinking seems to be acceptable. I'm not going to ruin a mass claim just because I think I'm smarter than six other people. That's called being a team player
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:19:29 pm
But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:20:22 pm
Pretty much everyone who is around right now is townier than those who aren't.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:20:35 pm
Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:21:09 pm
Pretty much everyone who is around right now is townier than those who aren't.
Or they're just in a convient timezone. But I sort of agree with you
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:21:30 pm
Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?

Right. he softclaimed some things.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 01:22:03 pm
Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

This leaves us with you, calamitas, mail-mi and Iguana. If we take this list my thoughts are on mail-mi and calamitas. But i continue to think on Seprix, sorry. Why do you think it's not him?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 01:23:11 pm
But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.

Okay. I'll bite. Shall I go first?

We can also figure out what PRs scum likely has from the numbers.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:24:15 pm
He just townslipped.

And I seem to be the only player who, as scum, bothers to do these incredibly sloppy town slips on purpose.

Also his reaction to the massclaim is towny.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:24:40 pm
But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.

Okay. I'll bite. Shall I go first?

We can also figure out what PRs scum likely has from the numbers.

Didn't I just say that you should be at the bottom?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 28, 2016, 01:25:46 pm
Okay; I can wait.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 01:26:06 pm
I think that was a fake 'town slip.'

However, I guess Seprix could do that as town just to get more towncred?

I don't know. I like my vote where it's.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 01:26:21 pm
Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?

Right. he softclaimed some things.

I'm in fact ready to put myself in danger claiming PR and clearing RR. Cause i think we can win this way. I'm waiting for rr saying something if he's pr.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 01:33:18 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 01:34:32 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 01:43:22 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 01:46:57 pm
It's not a towny reaction anymore after I've already explained why it's good.

The only drawback is that scum can target PR's. Scum will have exactly one more NK before we are at LyLo where we would masslcaim anyway. I think we can all live with that (although not literally ^;^)

I'm already looking forward to the analysis.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 28, 2016, 02:15:05 pm
I am not opposed to a massclaim, though I'm not sure yet if it's a good idea.

agree with RR that seprix's "townslip" was faked. keeping my vote on seprix. Also he just immediately flipped from "MASSCLAIM IS THE WORST!!!" to "okay I'll bite."



Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 28, 2016, 02:16:20 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 02:27:41 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.

I know that. benefits still outweight the drawbacks I think. The drawbacks are pretty small.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 28, 2016, 02:29:04 pm
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.

I know that. benefits still outweight the drawbacks I think. The drawbacks are pretty small.

Scum having their choice of nightkill? I'm not sure. I'll do it if everyone else thinks it's a good idea, but I think it would be more beneficial to wait til tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 02:30:19 pm
I don't want to talk too much about the benefits

let's just say there's usually alignment indicative stuff we get

and lynching scum TODAY is really important I think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 03:22:03 pm
But even if we massclaim, I am certainly not agreeint with laLight beeing at the bottom. He is quite on top of my scumlist and shouldn't be allowed to create the order just because silver made him to. Anyway, I am still skeptical whether we should do the massclaiming, especially since given fakeclaims are a possibility (correct me if they aren't or quite unlikely). If they aren't the setup system might leave us with very helpful info.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 04:03:03 pm
There's pretty much no chance that fakeclaims aren't available
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 04:41:47 pm
There's pretty much no chance that fakeclaims aren't available
Exactly, and I would assume they are created in a way that doesn't allow us to find scum directly via applying logic. If that assumption is correct, we won't get that much closer to a correct lynch which is, in that point I'm agreeing with silver, very important today. I think PRs and our current reads are by far our best shot at hitting scum either today or tomorrow. Claiming wouldn't help (correct me if i'm wrong about that) us for the latter but weakens our PRs significantly (relevant for D3).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 28, 2016, 07:06:52 pm
well, guys.

I think I screwed up a little. maybe. Fact is, RR isn't completely clear. That's all I can to say. I know that he didn't kill, that's true, but as I figured out, scum don't always kill, can make more things. So, RR didn't kill anyone, that's all I know
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 07:48:53 pm
Yes, yes, scum has fake claims. There is going to be informatoin betweeen 'nothing' and 'we caught scum'.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 08:02:17 pm
Yes, yes, scum has fake claims. There is going to be informatoin betweeen 'nothing' and 'we caught scum'.
Yeah, but to what price? Since our watcher (+4) is gone there aren't probably too many strong town PRs left. Anyway, I still don't like iguanas play until now and it is not good that all attention has driven away from him.
vote: iguana
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 28, 2016, 08:07:43 pm
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
How certain are you in the case of silver and lalight
(From 0=wild guess to 10=confirmed scum)?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 08:20:04 pm
We don't have enough time to stay indesicive for that long.

so we're 9 people. I think everyone should vote for or against massclaim. If we get 5+ votes, we do it, otherwise we don't.

/for massclaim
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 28, 2016, 08:28:32 pm
/againsy mass claiming
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 28, 2016, 08:33:30 pm
We don't have enough time to stay indesicive for that long.

so we're 9 people. I think everyone should vote for or against massclaim. If we get 5+ votes, we do it, otherwise we don't.

/for massclaim

We're actually 7 people, so 4+.

/not sure yet. Will vote later after time to think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 28, 2016, 08:38:23 pm
We're actually 7 people, so 4+.

uhh yes. that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 28, 2016, 10:49:48 pm
Vote Count 2.1

silverspawn (1): Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, RoadRunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas

Not Voting (3): mail-mi, iguanaiguana, silverspawn

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 01:11:29 am
talking about PRs, could he be Framed?

Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 01:23:19 am
and ok. Well. I have a kind of theory and if I'm right, we have some good chances.

Cards on the table: I'm Tracker, I tracked RR and he targeted Silverspawn. Here we have some choices.

1) He can be townie power role whom I substituted now, but then we have an advantage with two PR as me and him.
2) More likely: SpaceAnemone was Watcher, I'm the Tracker, we have 8 points here, so RR can be Roleblocker and choose Silverspawn to roleblock (because SilverSpawn is veteran and dangerous!). Then he said nothing and his reaction to my first words (saying I confirmed he is townie) seems to me scummy.

Tell me if i'm right in my thoughts.

Vote: RoadRunner
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 01:26:40 am
and one more:

I'm ready to be killed, but if my death brings us one scum, it's a good one, because scum is in fact 1-shot ninja and I'm not very of help here. I think that the second scum is either Calamitas or Mail-mi and having RR as scum we have SS as confirmed town so we're about to win I think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 02:42:44 am
No!!! This is why we needed to mass claim with you at the end!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 02:46:09 am
okay let's see what RR responds before I Say more.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 02:57:25 am
No!!! This is why we needed to mass claim with you at the end!
Reading people's responses I doubt there could be massclaim.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 05:17:37 am
and ok. Well. I have a kind of theory and if I'm right, we have some good chances.

Cards on the table: I'm Tracker, I tracked RR and he targeted Silverspawn. Here we have some choices.

1) He can be townie power role whom I substituted now, but then we have an advantage with two PR as me and him.
2) More likely: SpaceAnemone was Watcher, I'm the Tracker, we have 8 points here, so RR can be Roleblocker and choose Silverspawn to roleblock (because SilverSpawn is veteran and dangerous!). Then he said nothing and his reaction to my first words (saying I confirmed he is townie) seems to me scummy.

Tell me if i'm right in my thoughts.

Vote: RoadRunner
The latter one sounds much more likely and definitely makes sense. If you are telling the truth, roadrunner is probably going to be scum.if not, well,then you are scum. By now I'm going with the first option.
vote: roadrunner
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 09:19:40 am
Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 09:23:13 am
Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?

It's L-1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 09:57:45 am
Intent to hammer. Convincing case, and if LaLight is lying, well, we have our target next.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 10:02:21 am
Anyone who hammers without giving RR a chance to respond is auto-lynched tomorrow
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 10:03:53 am
Sure, sure. Whatever. I wonder what RR is even going to say though. Whatever it is, it'll be incredibly unconvincing.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 10:04:50 am
Anyone who hammers without giving RR a chance to respond is auto-lynched tomorrow

Agreed. I hope everyone sees the L-1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 10:05:11 am
Why is II silent? Is he here?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 10:46:09 am
VLA on my phone no one hammer anyone FFS don't be a sack of stupid noobs.

I haven't even read the day yet. This is obviously scum trying to take advantage of at least one townies inactivity
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 10:48:39 am
Oh man there have been claims.

All the same I'm driving home tonight so not lynching until tomorrow would be nice.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 29, 2016, 12:15:32 pm
Vote Count 2.1

silverspawn (1): Seprix
Seprix (1): RoadRunner7671
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, Calamitas, mail-mi {L-1}

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, silverspawn

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 12:55:08 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:14:43 pm
well here's the thing.

the tracker result isn't even remotely discriminating. you tracked someone and he targeted me... so what? I didn't even die. That doesn't mean anything.

I think you didn't read the setup correctly. We can have any number of roles from 2 to 7.

And I make a lot more sense as a bodyguard target than a RB target, so I'm inclined to believe RR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:16:47 pm
on the bright side, it's a nice role to have. it makes scum's life a lot harder. Won't explain why in case both scum are newbies, but it means that our claims haven't been so bad.

Now.

can we please continue the claims with everyone else?

I propose mail-mi -> Seprix -> Calamitas -> iguana -> silver
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:18:55 pm
That doesn't mean anything.

Correction: it does mean something, just nt what/as much as you thought.

Primarily, we know that RR is not the JOAT.

If we lynch the RB/Goon, it makes RR an IC.

And there is more stuff I can say as soon as we have claims.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:19:12 pm
With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:20:20 pm
Also unvote RR plx
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:21:26 pm
Also unvote RR plx
I was just about to say that. If both scum aren't already on my wagon, they could just say 'I don't believe you!' then hammer me.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 01:21:43 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
vote:roadrunner!!!!!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:23:03 pm
That's not funny   :'(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 01:25:52 pm
With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.
I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 01:26:18 pm
With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.
I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.
Meaning me and rr with "us"
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:28:59 pm
Based on the setup I think there can be more than one, as it doesn't say anything except that PRs and modifiers will be chosen randomly. Still though, I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:30:13 pm
Don't think there can be two, can they?

Of... course there can be more than one.

Where is all this confusion about the setup coming from? The OP is there for everyone to read.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:30:28 pm
I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:32:40 pm
I have to say that the points assigned to the modifiers don't really make sense... like at all. But that's my fault for not checking them pre-game.

And it's not a big deal anyway.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:33:04 pm
I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?
Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:34:37 pm
Okay rereading the setup my vote is pretty bad. And Calamitas has seemed towny (I think). So I guess I'll Unvote. But I'm not sure about this
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 01:38:49 pm
I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?
Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?
I am a fan of probabilty arguments and there is a chance that is not neglicable. I just assumed the generating process works without replacments since the duplicate roles are significantly weaker than the unique ones (without having that difference integrated in the rating system). And yes, if all that is true, it is very likely that some of us are having suboptimal modifiers.
For now unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:40:29 pm
Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments?
I am!

I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still.
The chance for two bodyguards is pretty small.

From your PoV, the probability that matters is that Calamitas is a bodyguard provided that you are also a bodyguard. That chance isn't any smaller than for any other role... it's actually a bit greater.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 01:42:21 pm
Chance of any two roles is low, two bodyguards is not any less likely than anything else.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 01:42:38 pm
Mass claim is good now let's do it
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:43:21 pm
Chance of any two roles is low, two bodyguards is not any less likely than anything else.
yes. actually it's one of the most likely ones based on having the lowest points attached.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 01:44:11 pm
Mass claim is good now let's do it
/in
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:46:44 pm
I still don't really like it. Didn't LaLight request a mass claim because of his result on me? And now that we cleared that up (along with some other claims) aren't we all good?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 01:56:42 pm
I still don't really like it. Didn't LaLight request a mass claim because of his result on me? And now that we cleared that up (along with some other claims) aren't we all good?

No we're not. I need the remaining claims in order to make meaningful probalistic arguments.

With 2 bodyguards, probably at least one of them real, the downside of claiming is almost zero. There's really no reason not to do it now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 01:58:33 pm
The downside of claiming is that scum has easier targets. LaLight is probably doomed, and I think either you or Seprx is a PR. Probably you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 02:01:09 pm
The downside of claiming is that scum has easier targets. LaLight is probably doomed, and I think either you or Seprx is a PR. Probably you.

we already have PRs claimed, which makes that argument weaker, and we have bodyguards which can protect them, which makes that argument weaker, too.

Like, really. Not massclaiming at this point is silly.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 02:13:04 pm
I guess since I already claimed my opinion isn't as strong. You guys do whatever. We should hear from mail-mi and Seprix though
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 02:14:44 pm
yes, I agree. In particular we should hear their claims.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 02:15:14 pm
yes, I agree. In particular we should hear their claims.
No I mean we should hear their thoughts on claiming!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 02:16:50 pm
They probably don't like it, given that they're scum and all that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 02:30:00 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 02:31:33 pm
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 02:40:25 pm
I guess we're mass claiming. I'm just a VT.

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Seprix, coming in as always with the helpful townie posts. Am I voting for you yet? vote: seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 02:47:17 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR
Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:05:29 pm
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 03:05:46 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR
Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?

You're lying, and everyone but your scumbuddy mail-Mi seems to get that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 03:06:26 pm
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.

I am a Bodyguard. LaLight saw RR doing some shady stuff, and why would there be two Bodyguards?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:25:18 pm
three bodyguards? How fun.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:26:10 pm
mail-mi and Calmitas are up next.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:26:56 pm
I guess we're mass claiming. I'm just a VT.

Sorry, missed that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:36:15 pm
Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 03:39:14 pm
Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!
He claimed Bodyguard, right?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 03:40:16 pm
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.

I am a Bodyguard. LaLight saw RR doing some shady stuff, and why would there be two Bodyguards?
So even though three Bodyguards is possible, that seems quite unlikely. Unless one of us is like Random I suspect there's a liar
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!
He claimed Bodyguard, right?

ah that was him. There are just too many bodyugard claims! how am I supposed to keep track of them all?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 03:45:33 pm
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:46:44 pm
Alright. Claims in Order:

LaLight: Tracker
RoadRunner: Bodyguard
Calamitas: Bodyguard
mail-mi: VT
Seprix: Bodyguard
iguana: ?
silver: ?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 03:47:09 pm
okay gtg sleeping, will be back in ~4 hours
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 03:54:05 pm
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.
How?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 04:01:51 pm
Alright. Claims in Order:

LaLight: Tracker
RoadRunner: Bodyguard
Calamitas: Bodyguard
mail-mi: VT
Seprix: Bodyguard
iguana: ?
silver: ?

I'm a vt
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 04:04:21 pm
What do you think about this three bodyguard thingy?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 04:05:01 pm
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.
How?

LaLight saw you doing something. You could have been roleblocking or doing Godfather stuff. We are clearly over 7 with the numbers.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 04:05:20 pm
mail-mi is last scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 04:05:33 pm
There, I solved the game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 04:15:33 pm
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.
How?

LaLight saw you doing something. You could have been roleblocking or doing Godfather stuff. We are clearly over 7 with the numbers.
Could have been  /=/ obvious

And even though we're over seven and have a Roleblocker, why does that automatically make me the Roleblocker?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 04:18:58 pm
We should lunch among the bodyguards today I think. Calamitas is towny, and I can't decide between Seprix and rr, actuslly. Seprix is sooooo scummy, but he's Seprix and I might have tunnel vision. Bodyguard is arguably the best claim for scum, so if RR is the roleblocker, it's the thing he's most likely to claim.

mail-mi is last scum.
There, I solved the game.

Oh no, you caught us! We might as well roll over and admit defeat.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 29, 2016, 04:42:55 pm
I don't believe RR. And I don't believe Seprix, but it's another thing. So If any of you is bodyguard, help me at the night =))

Still I'm comfortable with my vote.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 04:53:34 pm
I don't believe RR. And I don't believe Seprix, but it's another thing. So If any of you is bodyguard, help me at the night =))

Still I'm comfortable with my vote.
If you don't believe Seprix there is literally no reason to not believe me. Do you want to feel like you caught scum?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 06:07:51 pm
I didn't like Seprix play from the start and his bodyguard claim is raising my suspicions again. I'm going with seprix for now, but have to count votes before doing it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 06:12:50 pm
vote: Seprix (L-3)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 06:16:01 pm
Silver, whats your role so we can start doing the math.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 29, 2016, 06:22:22 pm
Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (2): LaLight, Seprix

Not Voting (3): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 06:28:30 pm
vote: Seprix (L-2)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 06:31:03 pm
Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 06:59:51 pm
Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 07:01:15 pm
Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was guarding silver even then)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 07:01:36 pm
Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 07:05:35 pm
That happens if you try to post as quickly as possible to avoid emerging doubts because of hesitation, either way i was guarding silver in N1.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 07:05:40 pm
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)

So which was it? Seprix or silver?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 29, 2016, 07:09:04 pm
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)

So which was it? Seprix or silver?
The hell, its definitely to late out here. Guarding silver.
Good night.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 07:40:45 pm
VT.

And that is altogether quite interesting.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 08:51:56 pm
Maths:

I'm trying to do it correctly right away, but I'm not 100% sure if I got it right. Nonetheless here is what I did.

I compared five worlds:

a) The world where we have 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker

And tried to compute the a priori chance for each of them to be true. Doing this per real maths is way too complex I believe, so I simulated. That means running trial randomizations and tossing a coin into bowl 1 if a) happened to be true; a coin into bowl 2 if 2b happened to be true; etc. Stop at 100 000 coins.

To simplify, I reduced the pool of possible roles to just Bodyguard and Tracker. This shouldn't change anything because every run where another role is chosen would not count towards any of the bowls. I also removed Loud and Witness from the list of modifiers, because we seem to have none of those. Claim if this isn't true.

Results:
World a) has 24% of being true
World b) has 50% of being true
World c) has 21% of being true
World d) has 5% of being true
World e) is actually impossible (duh)

This means, purely based on probability, of the Bodyguards

Two are lying: ~1/4
One is lying: ~1/2
None is lying: ~1/4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 08:52:36 pm
And those are extremely frustrating results because they literally don't tell us anything. Scum got super lucky here.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 08:54:04 pm
so tl;dr we can forget about them (unless I did something wrong) and go back to reads.

Sorry that I couldn't deliver more, but it is what it is. In past games we used to have more telling setup probability all the time.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 08:57:42 pm
so tl;dr we can forget about them (unless I did something wrong) and go back to reads.

Sorry that I couldn't deliver more, but it is what it is. In past games we used to have more telling setup probability all the time.

I still think we should lynch among the bodyguards today, at least. There's a good chance one of them is lying.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 09:05:55 pm
Watcher died N1 SA
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 09:09:55 pm
We also know Joseph was a VT
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:11:48 pm
Watcher died N1 SA

 ... ... ... ... ...  :'(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:13:00 pm
well fuck everything. I completely forgot about the watcher flip.

Njeh. Disregard my results. Off to do it again.

We also know Joseph was a VT

That shouldn't matter I don't think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:42:49 pm
brrrlp back to the worlds.

a) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Watcher 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker


Results:
World a) : 7,7%
World b) : 22%
World c) : 46%
World d) : 8.2%
World e) : 16%
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:43:59 pm
Now this is much better.

We definitely lynch among the bodyguards.

Given that I really trust the tracker claim based on reads, c) is particularly strong compared to a) and b).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:50:43 pm
so RR, Calamitas, Seprix.

I don't want to lynch Calamitas because his "there can only be one Bodyguard, I caught you!" rang quite genuine.

Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

I wonder if they randomly went "Let's both claim Roleblocker, no-one will expect it!" in the QT.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 29, 2016, 09:51:05 pm
clears Seprix

*clears RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 29, 2016, 10:59:05 pm
Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

Wait, what? Clear me of what exactly? Can you tell me what the apparent problem is?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 29, 2016, 11:15:31 pm
Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

Wait, what? Clear me of what exactly? Can you tell me what the apparent problem is?

He corrected it to "clears RR."

Working on Rewind Mafia (which you should all join!), will contribute when that's done.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 29, 2016, 11:43:43 pm
I targeted Silverspawn because I really thought he would get killed and I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR. Silverspawn was the obvious night kill and people found me sort of scummy on D1 so I figured I would sabe Silverspawn instead of getting mislynched
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 11:52:13 pm
Watcher died N1 SA

 ... ... ... ... ...  :'(

Very towny of you to forget it FWIW. If ever there were a legitimate townslip.....

Wait a sec, last time I said something like this, I was scum and I got lynched for it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 29, 2016, 11:54:20 pm
I agree with lynching a bodyguard claimant.

As for who, uh I need to reread I guess. It will take another couple of IRL days for me to do that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 01:50:13 am
I'm gonna report them over and over
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 02:23:43 am
protip: always preview things in the random stuff thread. If you accidentally click on the wrong button, the damage isn't as big.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 02:28:35 am
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 02:29:31 am
Also his reaction to the claim wasn't amazing. I'd have prefered him going more like "wtf this isn't a guilty result stop voting"
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 02:31:51 am
Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 02:33:51 am
Also... why didn't anyone realize that I claimed VT in my first post? :D

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 02:34:17 am
protip: always preview things in the random stuff thread. If you accidentally click on the wrong button, the damage isn't as big.

Yeah, realized that now.  :-[ this was just the thread I had open.

And I'm coming up from getting ready for bed to check this over and over, so I will try my best to contribute tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on August 30, 2016, 02:43:18 am
CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.


In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 30, 2016, 03:06:25 am
Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?
I tried to do it yersterday night :D
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 03:10:45 am
Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?
I tried to do it yersterday night :D
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.

But his reason made no sense. PRs are more likely to stay in the background, not do crazy things.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 30, 2016, 03:18:12 am
Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?
I tried to do it yersterday night :D
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.

But his reason made no sense. PRs are more likely to stay in the background, not do crazy things.
I thought you were playing level two and wanting us to think that you are unhelpful and creepy. I actually expected you to carefully have set breadcrumps that would all make sense after the flip in that creepy posts in the case your town. Additionally, if you aren't a PR, you are still the most experienced player in here and I expected you to have good reads when you're town.
I wasn't/an sure at all whether you are town but I estimated you as the potentially most important town player (targeting scum N1 as BG isn't even that bad) which made you my obvious target.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 03:21:01 am
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 03:29:44 am
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)

X!Person means "the person provided (s)he is X"

'scum-RB!RR' means 'Roadrunner provided he is the scum Roleblocker'
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 03:31:04 am
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)

X!Person means "the person provided (s)he is X"

'scum-RB!RR' means 'Roadrunner provided he is the scum Roleblocker'

Thank you. I agree even more now
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 03:37:37 am
well then

vote: RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 03:44:09 am
I hope that's not a hammer
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 03:44:59 am
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 03:51:17 am
Also his reaction to the claim wasn't amazing. I'd have prefered him going more like "wtf this isn't a guilty result stop voting"
Ughhhhh that's not what I do though! I wouldn't react like that as town or scum
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 03:54:56 am
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 03:57:43 am
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?
It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 04:02:25 am
My thoughts are:

Having thought we have 1 Bodyguard, I think that RR is scum claiming he's bg, then Calamitas is scum who thought that RR is doomed so he will protect himself claimimg he's bodyguard too, without knowing is there any. And then Seprix came who was a REAL bg so scum's plans are ruined.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 04:03:25 am
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?
It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier

About point: if you know that you're bad with this maybe you're trying to master this skill and claiming it now so after game you could say that NOW you can fakeclaim.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 04:03:48 am
And then LaLight came in with the craziest conspiracy theory since this one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16136.new#new
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 04:04:37 am
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?
It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier

About point: if you know that you're bad with this maybe you're trying to master this skill and claiming it now so after game you could say that NOW you can fakeclaim.
That makes no sense. It would be easier to fake claim roleblocker. Then I could still say I mastered the skill of fake claiming after the game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 04:05:29 am
Oh man LaLight actually clicked on the link
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 04:06:17 am
And then LaLight came in with the craziest conspiracy theory since this one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16136.new#new
PPE

Conspiracy theories are my favourite theories so far =))
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 04:07:08 am
Oh man LaLight actually clicked on the link

I thought there would be some Mafia Game with crazy theory, man. Btw topic there is interesting enough!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 05:21:26 am
Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 06:40:56 am
Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion

meaning from your PoV. What were your thoughts behind what happened at the time, and what are they now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 08:54:25 am
No one hammer yet (if that wasn't the hammer). I'd like a chance to reread some, and I have work.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 08:58:18 am
CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.


In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 09:00:23 am
CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.


In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.
II how dare you? :( Mail-mi asked not to quote this!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 09:03:58 am
CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.


In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.
II how dare you? :( Mail-mi asked not to quote this!

Doesn't really matter now, since the posts can't be deleted, unless gkreig says otherwise.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:05:26 am
oh my bad.

I was just trying to be a clever.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 09:45:00 am
Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion

meaning from your PoV. What were your thoughts behind what happened at the time, and what are they now.

I will try. One moment.
Title: Re: M85: Soap Opera Mafia 2 (Signups Open!)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 09:55:10 am
Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.

Roles:
  • Jailkeeper: 4
  • Tracker: 4
  • Watcher: 4
  • Rolecop: 4
  • Vigilante: 3
  • Doctor: 2
  • Neapolitan: 1
  • Roleblocker: 1
  • Bodyguard: 1

Modifiers:
  • Random: -3
  • Weak: -2
  • Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
  • Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
  • Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
  • Macho: 0
  • Loud: 1
  • Ascetic: 2
  • Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher



All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!

First, it is very important to look at this list. I want you all to pay close attention to it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 30, 2016, 09:56:07 am
well I'm not sure what happened but I think ash took care of it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 09:59:34 am
hey, they got deleted! Wonder who did it...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:02:20 am
I have two claims to make:

1. Silverspawn claims to be a delayed Doctor. Where is Delayed on the modifier list? Silverspawn is lying, and is clearly scum. I've kept my mouth shut for a while, just to see what he's been pushing. He pushed for my lynch, and then RR later on when it seems like RR is going to die.
2. LaLight is almost certainly town. If he is scum, he has played so well as to convince me, and he deserves the win.
3. All three of Calamitas, RR, and myself have claimed Bodyguard. One of us is almost certainly lying.
4. RR has the most incentive to go first, but since SS is pushing for RR (and me), and I have found SS to be lying (so far according to my theory), I think the correct lynch is actually Calamitas.

There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 30, 2016, 10:10:09 am
I have two claims to make:

1. Silverspawn claims to be a delayed Doctor. Where is Delayed on the modifier list? Silverspawn is lying, and is clearly scum. I've kept my mouth shut for a while, just to see what he's been pushing. He pushed for my lynch, and then RR later on when it seems like RR is going to die.
2. LaLight is almost certainly town. If he is scum, he has played so well as to convince me, and he deserves the win.
3. All three of Calamitas, RR, and myself have claimed Bodyguard. One of us is almost certainly lying.
4. RR has the most incentive to go first, but since SS is pushing for RR (and me), and I have found SS to be lying (so far according to my theory), I think the correct lynch is actually Calamitas.

There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

unvote

I think you confused two games. SS didn't say he's delayed doctor. Rethink please.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:11:30 am
...He didn't?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 10:11:54 am
Lol.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 10:12:18 am
You must not think very highly of my scum play :D
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:12:59 am
You must not think very highly of my scum play :D

No, I did. I hate playing more than one mafia game at a time.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:13:47 am
Anyways, all of that goes out the window then. Oh well.

RR is scum, dunno the third one then.

I targeted SS last night, and he didn't die, because then I would have died instead.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 10:19:20 am
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:20:41 am
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 10:21:58 am
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.

I already made that point in your favor. I was hoping you could give me something beyond that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 10:24:51 am
Seprix comes in with a long and helpful post...which is wrong. *sigh*

After thinking about it for a little bit, RR did take the most convenient claim as scum. But Seprix is crafty enough as scum to think about doing this I think. He would know that the last claimant is usually considered the truthful one. Is he ballsy enough to claim the third bodyguard? Yes, I think so. He's been extremely unhelpful this entire game, and it's because he's scum trying to play up his town meta.

I'm keeping my vote where it is.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:27:00 am
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.

I already made that point in your favor. I was hoping you could give me something beyond that.

Right. I mean, that point is very convincing in itself. I don't really think I have a better argument for not me over anyone else.

Seprix comes in with a long and helpful post...which is wrong. *sigh*

After thinking about it for a little bit, RR did take the most convenient claim as scum. But Seprix is crafty enough as scum to think about doing this I think. He would know that the last claimant is usually considered the truthful one. Is he ballsy enough to claim the third bodyguard? Yes, I think so. He's been extremely unhelpful this entire game, and it's because he's scum trying to play up his town meta.

I'm keeping my vote where it is.

What, because I pointed it out? Let's keep playing this wonderful WIFOM game, where you we all must see behind motives and reveal even more motives to see through.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:30:12 am
And here's something to think about too, Mail: What about Calamitas? Just because I've been blatantly unhelpful doesn't mean I am scum. Maybe I feel like playing an Awaclusian game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 10:38:50 am
And here's something to think about too, Mail: What about Calamitas? Just because I've been blatantly unhelpful doesn't mean I am scum. Maybe I feel like playing an Awaclusian game.

Calamitas' reaction was genuine and townie, and as a newbie scum he'd be inclined to say something else. Not so with you.

If you are town, thanks a lot for feeling like that .
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 03:29:21 pm
This game would be funny if all three bodyguards are legit and we're in the 5% or w/e bowl.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 03:41:17 pm
Let's do a little old fashioned voting analysis

Quote
Vote Count 1.2


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

Roadrunner and Calamitas on me. Seprix on fellow bodyguard Calamitas.

Quote
Vote Count 1.3


iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671

Calamitas still on me, Roadrunner and Seprix not voting.

Quote
Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

Same, but note how town!Joseph joins the Seprix wagon.

Quote
Vote Count 1.5

iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

Seprix goes after me. Roadrunner still doesn't vote.

Quote
Vote Count 1.6


iguanaiguana (1): Seprix
Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi, Calamitas {L-1}
Joseph2302 (3): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 18 hours left


Calamitas moves to Seprix. Seprix is still on me. Roadrunner still not voting.

Quote
Vote Count 1.final

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Seprix (2): Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (5): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, LaLight, SpaceAnemone, Seprix

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

Calamitas moves to LaLight. Seprix hammers Joseph. Roadrunner still not voting.

Questions for Seprix

Why did you vote for me all day on D1? What did you find scummy about me? Why did you move to hammer Joseph? Who, if anyone, do you think is scum on the wagon that was on you for much of D1?

Questions for Roadrunner

Why didn't you vote all day? Who are your scumreads?

Questions for Calamitas

Why did you scumread me most of D1? What happened to that scumread now? Why did you switch to LaLight at the end of the day?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 03:53:30 pm


I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 30, 2016, 04:03:19 pm
I just don't vote as much as I should. I haven't had many strong scum reads so I've just sort of sat around. I guess Seprix is my top scum read simply because he's crazy enough to WIFOM claim the third bodyguard
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 04:08:42 pm


I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 04:23:20 pm


I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...

Sure but is scum expecting me to dig up that quote?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 04:25:20 pm


I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...

Sure but is scum expecting me to dig up that quote?

Also PR hunting. But no. I'm going to reread tonight and see. I'm becoming more and more convinced that I'm wrong though.  Or that maybe they're scum together, Seprix and RR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 04:30:15 pm
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

Did silver ever explain this?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 04:47:50 pm
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

Did silver ever explain this?

I think so. the suspicion was on Joseph and I wanted to see how he reacted before telling anyone.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 08:37:48 pm
So one thing that interests and concerns me in my reread is that all three of Seprix, Roadrunner and Calamitas found me scummy D1, and none of them really pushed me at all today.

Why is that, yall?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 30, 2016, 09:09:35 pm
Coming just back from an exhausting day in Porto, will post tomorrow when I have read all the new posts. Good night.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:09:45 pm

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?

This post feels like Roadrunner could be talking about his own feelings and then just saying "Seprix" instead of "Roadrunner."
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:16:40 pm
Yeah, I guess I like lynching Roadrunner best. It's tough between Calamitas/Roadrunner but I think Calamitas has a handful of really towny posts that I don't think he faked as scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:17:47 pm
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
vote:roadrunner!!!!!

This reaction is pretty townie so that's one of them.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:19:39 pm
I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)
Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)
But since media you create (and manipulate for integration information) is forbidden, there is no reason to look for sth.  like that.

I don't think scum!Calamitas wastes his time musing about whether there is a hidden message in silverspawn's Spirited Away jpegs.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 09:21:36 pm
the hidden message is that I like Spirited Away ♥
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 30, 2016, 09:24:25 pm
honestly though, that's not alignment indicative [referring to Calamitas posting about it]
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:27:56 pm
My Calamitas reread comes to the conclusion that he is a lot townier than what I thought yesterday. Not even sure why I was scumreading him yesterday

Vote: Roadrunner

I hate voting Roadrunner : /
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 09:35:07 pm
Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 09:36:38 pm
Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 09:54:38 pm
Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.
No. No you didn't.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 30, 2016, 10:11:11 pm
Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.
No. No you didn't.

The argument for Seprix being scum this game is that he is intentionally making 'mistakes' in order to imitate his meta of making mistakes and weird rash decisions, and that the sheer number of sloppy and misinformed things he's said this game is too staggering for him to be actual town saying all of it.

By no means should you believe that he's scum because of scummy play. If anything, he's scum because he's imitated his town meta to the extreme.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:14:14 pm
My Calamitas reread comes to the conclusion that he is a lot townier than what I thought yesterday. Not even sure why I was scumreading him yesterday

Vote: Roadrunner

I hate voting Roadrunner : /

Pretty sure you just lynched RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:16:31 pm
Yup. Silverspawn, RR, Iguana, and LaLight are voting for RR. That is a lynch.

RR, were you town?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:16:46 pm
please please please please flip
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 10:31:53 pm
Deep derp derp.

Well I hope he's the scum one. Seems most likely at this point.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 30, 2016, 10:32:57 pm
Deep derp derp.

Well I hope he's the scum one. Seems most likely at this point.

Yes, that is the hope.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 30, 2016, 11:35:09 pm
Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, silverspawn, iguanaiguana {L-1}

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 30, 2016, 11:51:57 pm
oh.

Maybe willing to hammer. Need to figure out stuff, hopefully tonight.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:13:31 am
I was pretty mad/sad so I just fumed instead of posting. Also we just replaced our wifi and the service in my room is awful so there's that. A nice first world problem
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:27:40 am
I was connected to my neighbors' Wifi but it cut out in the middle of a post, so that's bad.

In other news, there's probably no chance of me not getting lynched today. So I'll post a few last thoughts, go to bed and probably never wake up  :'(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:32:00 am
So I guess Seprix is my top scum read. A scum team of Seprix and Calamitas actually seems possible/probable to me. Maybe LaLight's conspiracy theories are contagious. But I think that's all I got. Town on LaLight for obvious reasons, everyone else is varying shades of null.

But just remember that tomorrow is LyLo and you guys should 100% lynch Seprix or Calamitas tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:33:29 am
We either had ballsy scum or terrible shuffle luck with our PRs. Either way, I don't think I played particularly scummy. I don't know why I'm the 'go to' lynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:34:49 am
Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, silverspawn, iguanaiguana {L-1}

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Iguanaiguana is both voting for me and not voting! And you forgot Seprix. I might actually be hammered
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:35:00 am
Guys I'm hammered
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:35:06 am
I'm dead
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:35:42 am
Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:36:36 am
I'm dead

Are you...?

Wait. Didn't Seprix unvote? Did he ever put his vote back on you?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:36:55 am
I'm not dead bu the way
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:37:31 am
Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.

btw, didn't see RR's two most recent posts when I posted this.

PPE 1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:37:51 am
Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
What's ATE?

And my claim was the most inconvenient thing to happen to me in my entire career, for reasoned stressed above
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:39:30 am
Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
What's ATE?

And my claim was the most inconvenient thing to happen to me in my entire career, for reasoned stressed above
Appeal to emotion. Like here:
I was connected to my neighbors' Wifi but it cut out in the middle of a post, so that's bad.

In other news, there's probably no chance of me not getting lynched today. So I'll post a few last thoughts, go to bed and probably never wake up  :'(

I will agree to that if you flip town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:41:08 am
That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:43:09 am
That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:44:33 am
That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.
Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 01:46:49 am
That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.
Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!

there it is again.

Dude, I have been on Seprix all day. If you're town, I'm going to be taking a serious look at everyone who was pushing the lynch away from Seprix and on to you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 01:48:13 am
Considering I'll be in a wooden box by that point, I'm not really comforted by that thought. But I guess I appreciate the gesture

(Now I'm doing it on purpose)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 02:56:44 am
There is still time to move the lynch away and to Seprix... if we want

The probelm is just that I don'T think I want, based on RR's behavior.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 04:12:09 am
There is still time to move the lynch away and to Seprix... if we want

The probelm is just that I don'T think I want, based on RR's behavior.

I don't want either. Don't like voting for rr cause he's cool, but nevertheless i'm pretty sure he's scum
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 05:51:55 am
Intent to hammer
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 05:53:01 am
(http://siliconvalleyvcg.org/photo/56be17ceedbb0.jpg)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 05:59:43 am
@iguana

My main reason to believe you're scummy was your interaction with Seprix. However, the rest of D1 and D2 have shown me that that was far less scummy than I thought at first. Therefore I wasn't pushing it anymore.
I changed to LaLight because a few posts from him felt forced and just there to strengthen the image of a towny, naive newbie which is/was IMO absolutely scummy. Still feel kind of that way, but some posts from him seem genuine and actually town (e.g. reaction on fakehammer).

But anyway, its obvious that we should lynch among the bodyguards today and I am tending in the rr direction right now. Intending to hammer in about 1-2 hours if nothing significant happens up to then.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 06:08:18 am
Unvote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 06:09:42 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 06:10:06 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 06:16:05 am
Yeah I've looked at the situation a bunch of times and I'm convinced this is my best move here. I don't like my odds voting Roadrunner. It feels like a mislynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 06:39:16 am
It really doesn't feel like that, though. The partner is probably bussing at this point.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 06:39:39 am
I'm surprised that you thik RR's flailing is towny. That's like one of the least towny flailings he's ever done.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 06:56:12 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix
I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 08:15:36 am
With Calamitas and mail-mi, we still get the lynch through

@igu: if you want to sell me on Seprix, give me a better reason than RR's flailing.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 09:09:12 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix
I'm with silver here: the flailing looks faked, not townie. However I do think it might be a Seprix/rr scum team (with same claims to distance themselves totally). I agree with what you were saying earlier, that Seprix is playing up his town meta way too much.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 09:42:28 am
Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 09:45:19 am
I agree wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 09:47:16 am
Okay, I faked a hammer so that we can get a claim out of RR. Sadly, Gkreig posted, so that couldn't happen, I should have waited until RR was online, Bad timing. However, his actions were incredibly contrived. I think we can hammer RR.

vote: RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 09:47:38 am
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 09:49:06 am
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 09:49:47 am
Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.

I like this suggestion. But reading on roles, first: I don't see a strongman that makes you towny (doesn't it?) and even if it was, strongman kills no matter how much bodyguards I have
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 09:53:49 am
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?

Because it's dumb. Why would I claim Bodyguard when two other people did it ahead of me, unless it was true? But wait. Shocker. You think I'm so clever, that I would count on that. You've made up your mind already. You've been voting me all day. Don't even pretend to be unbiased.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 09:54:07 am
Well, strongman might break through only one layer of protection, instead of all layers.

That's a good question to ask gkreig, actually. Does the Strongman break through one layer of all layers of protection?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 09:57:15 am
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?

Because it's dumb. Why would I claim Bodyguard when two other people did it ahead of me, unless it was true? But wait. Shocker. You think I'm so clever, that I would count on that. You've made up your mind already. You've been voting me all day. Don't even pretend to be unbiased.

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 31, 2016, 09:57:58 am
Strongman breaks through one layer of protection
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:02:58 am
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:04:41 am
Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.
Agreeing totally. The question is whether we should give our tracker a target. I am against it since mafia would know when to trigger the ninja. Therefore I would be going with unknown/random tracking.

What should I do if we don't kill a mafia member but an actual bodyguard? I would say still targeting tracker to force mafia to use the strongman shoy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:05:40 am
Strongman breaks through one layer of protection
Which layer is on top? The more recent or the older one?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 10:06:01 am
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:06:07 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:06:44 am
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?

I wanted reactions. People reacted.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:07:20 am
@SS

Do we have a plan in the event that we don't hit the Roleblocker?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:10:41 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 10:11:52 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Potential scum slip indeed...
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?

I wanted reactions. People reacted.

well alright then.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:13:06 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:13:21 am
Jesus Christ, it's not a damn scumslip. I already concluded that it was incredibly likely for there to be a Roleblocker.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:13:55 am
vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:14:24 am
Jesus Christ, it's not a damn scumslip. I already concluded that it was incredibly likely for there to be a Roleblocker.

For the first time I actually agree with you and try to believe you're town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 10:15:02 am
@SS

Do we have a plan in the event that we don't hit the Roleblocker?

everyone does what he wants I think

and definitely don't direct the tracker. That just helps scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:15:45 am
There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

Like, I said this a day ago. We all basically agreed on this. So why is the scumslip narrative a thing?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 10:17:36 am
that's one of the silliest scumslip arguments I've ever heard.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:19:37 am
that's one of the silliest scumslip arguments I've ever heard.

Confirmed. For me he just said that he's scum himself
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:19:55 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:21:30 am
Now I have to think about how likely it is for scum!Calamitas to bring up that scumslip, based on if he is Goons or Roleblocker or not. Then I have to think about whether or not he even is scum or not.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 10:21:53 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.

Why is that post super scummy? I forgot too that we had discussed this earlier today. Calamitas as town or scum has incentive to find evidence of the other bodyguard's scumminess to avoid his lynch/mislynch.

But yeah, actually thinking about it, we did talk about it earlier. I forgot that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:22:33 am
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
Except random targeting :D
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.

We need to be <7 at this point.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:26:24 am
ok, simple math now:

Watcher was. 4 we have
Tracker is 4 more we have
Calamitas claims BG 1 we have
I know RR is PR. Minimum 1 we have.

So from Calamitas' PoV we have 10 SURELY. And not to have RB it needs to be 6 or less. Can someone count the possibility of such?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:31:50 am
One more rules question: does 1-shot ninja work automatically or a man must choose if to use it?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 10:40:02 am
There still seems to be confusion about how the setup works.

Let me explain (because I clarified it exactly in my QT).

 - Randomize Role
 - Give Role to random player without role
 - Attribute points
 - IF points >= 7 then END
 - Randomize Modifier
 - Give Modifier to random player withou modifier
 - Attribute Points
 - IF points >= 7 OR all players have a role and a modifier then END else REPEAT

END: IF points > 7 make goon -> Roleblocker

Alas, we could easily have scenarios without a roleblocker, e.g. Bodyguard (1) -> Weak (-1) -> Bodyguard (0) -> Random (-3) -> Tracker (1) -> Ascetic (3) -> Watcher (7) -> END

One more rules question: does 1-shot ninja work automatically or a man must choose if to use it?

You must choose to use it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 10:41:57 am
I don't even know if having a RB is > 50%. I could find that out if it's important...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:50:09 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:54:40 am
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 10:55:57 am
do we know about modifiers if we have 'em?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:57:33 am
do we know about modifiers if we have 'em?
They are fully hidden
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 10:58:15 am
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.
Modifiers are hidden
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:02:08 am
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.
Modifiers are hidden

Do we know if the watcher had modifiers?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:02:27 am
It says so in the setup, too  ::)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:02:37 am
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.
Modifiers are hidden

Do we know if the watcher had modifiers?

no
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:05:19 am
well, then I'll do this.

I trust Silver I realise and maybe too much, but I think he's clearly town. Thinking on all these bodyguards the most suspicious is

Vote: Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:10:34 am
what :o

why?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 11:11:42 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:17:48 am
what :o

why?

I still think that RR is scum, but i'm not so sure. Though I'm more sure about Calamitas
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:23:36 am
again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:26:45 am
again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 11:28:56 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 11:29:23 am
I should say, a small chance.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 11:30:00 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
How is the random modifier working exactly?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 11:31:29 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
How is the random modifier working exactly?

Lalight tries to track someone, gets the result of a random player's activity anyway. So basically, LaLight could be a random tracker who tried to track Roadrunner and was randomly redirected to any other player who actually did target silverspawn.

More likely, his tracking just works normally.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:32:32 am
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
How is the random modifier working exactly?

If you use your power, your chosen target is ignored, and instead your target is randomized.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:33:45 am
ignore the second why. I forgot the tracker result.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:33:54 am
I've read that Random means 50% success
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:35:11 am
Actually that is an argument against the RR lynch. If requires him to be a RB which is only about 50% likely to exist... multiplied to the 50% that RR is him if he's scum.

Huuhhh maybe we should lynch Seprix after all?

But definitely not Calamitas I don't think.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:36:13 am
I've read that Random means 50% success

huh. mafia wiki does say that.

Does random mean random targets?

Still pretty sure it does.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:36:50 am
Actually that is an argument against the RR lynch. If requires him to be a RB which is only about 50% likely to exist... multiplied to the 50% that RR is him if he's scum.

That's why I changed my mind.
I don't think Seprix is scum actually.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 11:37:42 am
but Calamitas' reactions were towny.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 11:38:27 am
but Calamitas' reactions were towny.

Or fake.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 12:07:19 pm
oh, btw, small question: do we want to flavor claim at all? or is it just pointless? it's probably pointless, but i figured i should ask.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 12:12:01 pm
Yeah, fully against RR lynch now. I am fully on the Calamitas train, but I'm probably going to get lynched instead.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 12:13:23 pm
this is odd.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 12:14:37 pm
If I were anyone else, I'd lynch me. I'm fully expecting you all to come to the same conclusion. Calamitas has played a good game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 31, 2016, 12:16:06 pm
I've read that Random means 50% success

huh. mafia wiki does say that.

Does random mean random targets?

Still pretty sure it does.

How you described it is true.  The chosen target is disregarded and a random target is chosen instead.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 12:18:43 pm
again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.

Don't confuse wrong with scum. Scum tries to be right about everything as much as possible so that town doesn't suspect them. Town often just say things and they turn out to be wrong, and that's how we clarify misunderstandings anyway.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 12:20:24 pm
oh, btw, small question: do we want to flavor claim at all? or is it just pointless? it's probably pointless, but i figured i should ask.

I got "Trampoline," so as my confirm I said I'm a trampoline! which prompted Gkrieg to reply, No, you are the sport Trampoline.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 12:23:52 pm
I am Cycling
I am confused
I unvote
I go home will be there in 2 hours
I hope i'll understand smth then
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 12:24:36 pm
Hold up.

Why is everyone against RR now? I was just looking through the claims again on reread.

Firstly, while Calamitas and Seprix do have some incentive to claim bodyguard as scum, it's so little compared to RR's incentive. RR has to get out of a tracker claim, the other two are just counterclaims. If I'm scum!Calamitas, and maybe scum!Seprix (though I can see scum!seprix claiming to just add a lot of confusion to the mix), I think "well, i shouldn't claim bodyguard anymore, maybe roleblocker or doctor?"

RR's flailing is what convinced me fully. Still think it could be seprix/RR, but I'm more convinced on RR now than I am on seprix.

vote: roadrunner. he's at L-something now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on August 31, 2016, 12:25:00 pm
I am a  Beach Volleyball. I could bounce on and off iguana. But you can't quote that out of context bnecause it's a mafia game.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 12:27:54 pm
I am a  Beach Volleyball. I could bounce on and off iguana. But you can't quote that out of context bnecause it's a mafia game.

Not until we win!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 12:29:01 pm
P.S. I'm Diving.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 12:34:00 pm
I guess voting Roadrunner isn't terrible. I just don't want to be wrong : (
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 01:00:36 pm
again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
How should I interpret the last sentence?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 01:39:31 pm
I am Swimming.

I can vote either RR or Calamitas, honestly. Calamitas is just as likely as RR in my opinion.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: LaLight on August 31, 2016, 02:12:35 pm
again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
How should I interpret the last sentence?

I said about your words that there can be no roleblocker. I think it's too scummy. Just so
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Calamitas on August 31, 2016, 02:17:40 pm
In how far is it scummy to point out that there is actually a
not neglectable possibility of having JOAT+goon instead of JOAT+RB.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 03:15:35 pm
In how far is it scummy to point out that there is actually a
not neglectable possibility of having JOAT+goon instead of JOAT+RB.

yeah, I'm with calamitas on this one. It wasn't a seprix scumslip, as others have pointed out, but bringing this up is not scummy.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 31, 2016, 07:04:34 pm
Vote Count 2.3

Seprix (2): Calamitas, iguanaiguana
RoadRunner7671 (2): silverspawn, mail-mi
Calamitas (1): Seprix

Not Voting (2): RoadRunner7671, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:25:56 pm
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:28:10 pm
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1
Why don't we chat about that now so that I don't get lynched by you?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:28:48 pm
Oh I'm Badminton, seeing as how we're flavor claiming
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:29:05 pm
Unvote fine
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:29:26 pm
Do something productive you fool
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:29:51 pm
And I didn't post all day because I saw that things were looking up for me and I didn't want to mess it all up like I inevitably would. But I'm at L-1 anyway. So that's no good  :(
PPE 2

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
Here.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:30:36 pm
Do something productive you fool
See my post above. But I guess I'm here now. So I can do productive stuff.
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:30:45 pm
Here.
What?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:31:07 pm
I'm here. That's what.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:31:36 pm
I'm here. That's what.
Okay. Hi
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:32:45 pm
Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:33:21 pm
Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:33:56 pm
I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:34:20 pm
Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"
Except you know it's true!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:34:40 pm
Talk me through what you were thinking. I want to hear the true thought process behind your actions.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:35:13 pm
I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:35:20 pm
Talk me through what you were thinking. I want to hear the true thought process behind your actions.
Me?
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:35:38 pm
Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"
Except you know it's true!

Okay, sure.

Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:36:35 pm
Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.
I will do that, yes
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:36:42 pm
I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 10:39:35 pm
town points to iguana.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:41:05 pm
town points to iguana.

No, I say all of this as scum for the town points, and to confuse and annoy them. But here I happen to be saying it as town because I seriously don't know which one to lynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:43:29 pm
I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?

I'm not answering these. Pointless questions.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:43:49 pm
I could just make up stuff. You don't want those kinds of answers.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:44:35 pm
I'm actually rereading D1 and Calamitas doesn't look great. Seprix looks worse though. Vote: Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:44:56 pm
I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?

I'm not answering these. Pointless questions.
I would answer those
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:46:07 pm
I could just make up stuff. You don't want those kinds of answers.

If you are scum and you make something up, then I have a chance to look at it and see if it looks fabricated. If you are town and you know that you said something as town that you wouldn't have said as scum, it's your chance to show your own narrative to us and try to convince us.

It's a very flawed system but this is how the game is played. Especially on D2 when all we have to go off of are two dead townies that basically all of you guys voted for or expressed a desire to vote for.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:47:08 pm
I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.

Fight arrogance with arrogance!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:48:31 pm
Seprix, I do not know your alignment. I am not decided. I don't know what to do.

Confirmation bias is not in play here.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 31, 2016, 10:48:57 pm
Going to sleep.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:49:40 pm
I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.
Okay, this is proving your point, but I think you look worse because of this. You're probably the player least likely to 'stop caring.' And saying it like 'I've stopped caring.' really doesn't make it sound like you have stopped caring. People saying 'whatever, Moat this, you guys all suck' convinces me more. Or people who, every 24 hours, just go 'post.' Or something like that.
PPE: 3
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:50:05 pm
Seprix, I do not know your alignment. I am not decided. I don't know what to do.

Confirmation bias is not in play here.

Sure it is.

Anyways, don't lynch me. Simple as that. I am Swimming. I was the third player to claim Bodyguard, which means it is highly likely that I am town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:51:38 pm
I was the third player to claim Bodyguard
We know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:54:49 pm
I was the third player to claim Bodyguard
We know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.

You're going to be one sad little kid tomorrow when you find yourself on the chopping block for your crimes against humanity.

vote: RR
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:55:45 pm
And let's play another game, RR.

What arguments can you attribute to the other two Bodyguards that you can't attribute to me? I am the least lynchable of the three, and you know it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 10:56:28 pm
If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 10:58:44 pm
Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 10:59:37 pm
If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.
Jeez, these are wonderful options. I guess I'll have to reread Calamitas before deciding. Although it's very possible he's scum, I think you're more likely.
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:00:24 pm
Same question for RR.
I might go through like every single one of my posts until I get bored
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:00:54 pm
Never mind, that will misquote
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 11:01:24 pm
Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

Then lynch me or RR. Hurry up.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:01:53 pm
If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.
(Response)

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
(Second response)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:02:07 pm
 :D That worked
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:02:36 pm
Hurry up.
Not a towny thing to say my dude
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 11:03:15 pm
Look, I'll even help lynch myself if that is what the town players really really want.

Hurry up.
Not a towny thing to say my dude

I'm bored. People are stalling for time. All the information is here. Now make a decision.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:04:55 pm
Do I even need to reread myself? Every time Seprix (figuratively) opens his mouth things just get worse and worse for him
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 11:14:30 pm
Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

Then lynch me or RR. Hurry up.

sigh

vote: seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 11:15:11 pm
Okay.

If there are no further objections, I'll lynch myself.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on August 31, 2016, 11:23:28 pm
I'm sure your scum partner objects
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 11:30:06 pm
vote: Seprix

I'm town. Way to go, team.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2016, 11:30:26 pm
Just lynch RR tomorrow. He's clearly scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on August 31, 2016, 11:42:37 pm
vote: Seprix

I'm town. Way to go, team.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

I have no words.

Well, I do. Why self hammer?! If you're town, that means you just guaranteed a mislynch. What part of that sounds good to you?!?! And if you're scum, your partner hates you right now.

Ugh. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 01, 2016, 12:05:48 am
Down in numbers and with the games over, the Olympic Sports were feeling the worst they had ever felt. They felt their popularity waning as the popularity of the "Real Sports" was rising once again.

It was in these dire circumstances that they needed to quickly find the infiltration before the "Real Sports" overtook them again.

They knew that their window of opportunity was closing fast and they needed to find them fast.

As they all convened together, everyone had the same story.

"I'm a bodyguard and I targeted silverspawn" three of them said. 

The other Olympic Sports decided to make one of the bodyguards leave the game.  Seprix was so fed up with it all, he decided to leave the group on his own.


Vote Count 2.final

Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
RoadRunner7671 (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

Seprix has been lynched!

He was Swimming, the Bodyguard

Night 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

THREAD LOCKED!

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 02, 2016, 10:33:55 am
I will be starting this game early (unless anyone has any complaints).  Night actions due in 3 and a half hours.  Day 3 will start at 2 pm.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 02, 2016, 02:02:09 pm
As the Olympic Committee decided once again which sports would make the cut for the Tokyo Olympics in 2020, they came to a standstill over a few sports.

They went back and forth on which sports to add.  They decided that Professional Eating was a big sport on Tokyo and that it was good enough to be in the Olympics!  Unfortunately that meant that they had to cut one sport from the Olympics.

They debated for hours, but then it became perfectly clear.  In Tokyo, they don't have any professional cycling competitions, so why have it in the Olympics?


LaLight has been killed in the night.

They were Cycling, the Tracker

Day 3 begins now and ends Friday September 9 at 2 pm.

THREAD UNLOCKED!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 02, 2016, 02:03:27 pm
Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (5): silverspawn, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.  Day 3 ends at 2 pm on Friday, September 9
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on September 02, 2016, 02:06:45 pm
vote: rr

Okay, it's lylo, so unvote, but still.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 02:07:00 pm
Oh man
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 02:07:15 pm
Yeah we shouldn't vote probably
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 02:16:23 pm
vote: RR

disappointing stuff from Seprix.

Still, it was dumb to lynch him.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 02:16:37 pm
let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 02:19:53 pm
let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.
That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 02, 2016, 02:46:34 pm
I would still propose lynching among the bodyguards, it is actually our best shot by now I would say. While it could be that there have been actually 3 bodyguards targeting silver, it is just too ridiculous to believe.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 02, 2016, 02:47:21 pm
Therefore going for roadrunner, not voting to avoid making a hasty decision.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 03:04:46 pm
We're at MyLo, so this is literally it. After you guys lynch me, we lose. Come on! Seriously!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 03:05:02 pm
let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.
That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.

There is also no logical reason to unvote, since nothing can convince me to lynch someone else, therefore the game is already lost if you're town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 03:05:53 pm
let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.
That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.

There is also no logical reason to unvote, since nothing can convince me to lynch someone else, therefore the game is already lost if you're town.
Great. We've already lost, assuming you're town.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 03:21:13 pm
the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 02, 2016, 03:23:30 pm
the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.
Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 03:26:28 pm
the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.
Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)

not definitely, since it could also be scum!you and JOAT with strongman shot.

But this is just another townslip from you. if you're scum then gg wp.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 03:27:34 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 03:28:14 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Chairs isn't in this game, and that wasn't a townslip. If anything that was a scum slip.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 03:29:24 pm
derp. I meant mail-mi

And no, it wasn't a scum slip. It was Calamitas not knowing that scum has a JoaT, i.e. not having information that scum would be more likely to have. This is called a townslip. At worst it's a fabricated townslip.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 04:00:30 pm
off to sleep.

hopefully I'll wake up to dead scum
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 02, 2016, 04:58:33 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 05:36:54 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 05:37:55 pm
Here's the thing: normally I'd say 'lynch me today and after I flip town lynch silverspawn' but we only get one mislynch, so don't lose the game over lynching me!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 02, 2016, 06:37:13 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:38:38 pm
Vote: Roadrunner

I feel responsible for pushing Seprix to self hammer, becuase I believe my many comments about his play pushed him in that direction. I am hoping that he will talk to me about it after the game is there are any hard feelings. Seprix, I'm sorry for being a dick.

Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:40:42 pm
Roadrunner is scum. Or Calamitas is and we lose. That simple.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:42:07 pm
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.

Roadrunner claimed bodyguard, and LaLight died. I assume you targeted LaLight. With him being dead instead of you, the only possible explanation is that Roadrunner is the scum!roleblocker and blocked your night action.

So if you targeted LaLight last night, you don't need reads. Just vote Roadrunner and let's get this day over with.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:43:05 pm
Ugh whatever Unvote

I guess we can talk about it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 07:48:53 pm
Yes, I targetted LaLight. I bet Calamitas (the scum roleblocker) also did
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:52:21 pm
Yes, I targetted LaLight. I bet Calamitas (the scum roleblocker) also did

1) That's not how it works.  If you targeted LaLight, and a scum roleblocker targeted LaLight, and mafia killed Lalight, you would die.

2) Townslip! LOL JUST KIDDING, that wasn't a town slip.

3) If you are a bodyguard, and you targeted LaLight, that means that Calamitas HAS to be scum, so why are you not voting for him?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that actually true? Now I need to think about it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 07:53:21 pm
I'm town. Two of you guys are scum, and you're both jerks.

I am sick of losing  >:(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 08:03:51 pm
please. RR was at 2 votes. If he was scum he'd have been quickhammered by now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 08:10:18 pm
Vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 09:25:40 pm
Okay, so he's massively likely to be scum by now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 02, 2016, 09:26:09 pm
yup. I just wish we had lynched him yesterday...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 09:27:30 pm
Tomorrow's another day!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 09:29:33 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 09:30:17 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 09:31:27 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 10:05:51 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Staup
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 10:12:26 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Staup

You lied to me >:(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 10:13:11 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Staup

You lied to me >:(
You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 02, 2016, 10:14:30 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Staup

You lied to me >:(
You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!

Let's roll town together next time  8)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 02, 2016, 10:18:16 pm
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.
Dude

 :o
Staup

You lied to me >:(
You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!

Let's roll town together next time  8)
We rolled town together this time! Or you're scum, but I don't know about that
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on September 03, 2016, 12:55:01 am
yep. RR is obv!scum. There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:03:43 am
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.

Roadrunner claimed bodyguard, and LaLight died. I assume you targeted LaLight. With him being dead instead of you, the only possible explanation is that Roadrunner is the scum!roleblocker and blocked your night action.

So if you targeted LaLight last night, you don't need reads. Just vote Roadrunner and let's get this day over with.
Its not that easy, roleblockee might have blocked me and strongman could have broken my protection.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:04:58 am
Btw, /NOT HAMMERING
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:07:31 am
Okay, he would have been hammered by now, everyone has posted. So I will take the hammer.
vote:: roadrunner
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:09:04 am
Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:09:28 am
My haters are my motivators!
Dayvig: All of you!
PPE
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:09:57 am
Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...
What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:13:57 am
Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...
What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!
So sorry, brain not working properly on 6am :(
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on September 03, 2016, 01:15:24 am
Okay, he would have been hammered by now, everyone has posted. So I will take the hammer.
vote:: roadrunner

Calamitas, your vote doesn't count. It is not proper format.

You could take it back, but man just hammer him. He's scum.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on September 03, 2016, 01:16:28 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:22:28 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:25:13 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

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Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:25:24 am
Hey your vote didn't count!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:26:01 am
Hey your vote didn't count!
I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:26:38 am
Vote Count 2.final

Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
RoadRunner7671 (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

Seprix has been lynched!

He was Swimming, the Bodyguard
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:27:21 am
Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:27:30 am
Hey your vote didn't count!
I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:28:47 am
Hey your vote didn't count!
I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke
No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:29:14 am
Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"
Mr. Spamming
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:30:24 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Re-posted for upping
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:31:50 am
brrrlp back to the worlds.

a) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Watcher 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker


Results:
World a) : 7,7%
World b) : 22%
World c) : 46%
World d) : 8.2%
World e) : 16%

What you're doing right now is so insaely anti town and destructive and ignoring obvious evidence that I almost have to reconsider you as scum #2. I previously thought it was mail-mi, but maybe I was wrong.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:34:01 am
I voted for RR because a) is sufficiently small compared to b) that I would almost never change my choice based on reads. Therefore, the choice is only between you and RR and since you up to that point were ten times townier, I would never ever change my mind there. Thus, there was no point in delaying this any further.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 01:39:51 am
Don't make arguments up by using irrelevant probabilities, you know better than that. P(Watcher+Tracker+3x BG) is absolutely irrelevant by now, the only one that matters is P(Watcher+Tracker+2xBG|BG) which isn't that bad. Anyway, will go to sleep otherwise I'm writing even more junk here. Will have to think this true, all I wanted to say is thst thinks aren't as clear as some trying to make them
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:40:49 am
Hey your vote didn't count!
I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke
No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.
I seriously bought it. Believe me or don't  8)

But I'm not 'too good.' I do appreciate that compliment though
Ppe
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 03, 2016, 01:41:41 am
Don't hammer me until Calamitas gets his thoughts together. I'd like him to cause us to not lose today
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:42:05 am
I'm writing even more junk here.

Yes you are.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:50:27 am
The hilarious thing about this post:

Don't make arguments up by using irrelevant probabilities, you know better than that. P(Watcher+Tracker+3x BG) is absolutely irrelevant by now, the only one that matters is P(Watcher+Tracker+2xBG|BG) which isn't that bad. Anyway, will go to sleep otherwise I'm writing even more junk here. Will have to think this true, all I wanted to say is thst thinks aren't as clear as some trying to make them

is that it actually has another town slip. We don't have a | BG since no BG flipped yet.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 01:57:41 am
oh actually Seprix flipped BG . . . nvm.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 02:01:20 am
anyways he's right about the probabilites having changed based on our flips. Let me re-do them. All a-priori chances relative to P1 + P2 + P3 (since we know one of them must be true).

W1 = W + T + B
W2 = W + T + B + B
W3 = W + T + B + B + B

P(W1) = 61%
P(W2) = 29%
P(W3) = 10%)
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 02:03:16 am
pretty much the same meaning for our current situation, as expected ... that's why I was treating them as if they're still correct.

it's going to be a hell of choice tomorrow. . . . . . . .
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 04:19:31 am
anyways he's right about the probabilites having changed based on our flips. Let me re-do them. All a-priori chances relative to P1 + P2 + P3 (since we know one of them must be true).

W1 = W + T + B
W2 = W + T + B + B
W3 = W + T + B + B + B

P(W1) = 61%
P(W2) = 29%
P(W3) = 10%)
Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 04:44:29 am
Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme

That is correct. It is not as extreme, it is a bit more extreme.

(WTBBB | WTBB) = 26,19%
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 04:50:16 am
Not that going with 1 - 3 odds is that unreasonable. I mean I think it's a bad idea but it's not comparable to previous situations we had, were players went with 1 - 9 odds and the like. But it also just makes no sense.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 04:50:33 am
based on game reasons I mean
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 04:51:41 am
Also if RR was a bodyguard why did the tracker die? That requires a roleblocker AND a strongman shot, which in turn makes RR more likely again since it takes away the only good argument in his defense.

but his whole flailing is just not towny. Have you ever seen RR flail in a game where he was town?
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 05:09:37 am
Also if RR was a bodyguard why did the tracker die? That requires a roleblocker AND a strongman shot, which in turn makes RR more likely again since it takes away the only good argument in his defense.

but his whole flailing is just not towny. Have you ever seen RR flail in a game where he was town?
I haven't and I havd no problem with reasoning ;-)
I have just a problem with needlessly speeding up the game. And with 1-3 odds it's certainly clear what to do, but we have more evidence than just that (behavior etc. which has to be taken into account as well).

And another question, why weren't you sharing your suspicion about mail-mi? The day might ave easily ended before you did and you might have died in that night.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 05:29:53 am
dk that was careless
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:43:19 am
let me do it now

I posted a lot in my QT and am beginning to think that the team is RR - Calamitas

This would mean that the entire bodyguard claim chain was staged. That's a fairly big assumption, but it really covers everything. My biggest reason for town!Calamitas so far was his reaction to the claim, that's gone.

Evidence supporting this theory

- Setup probability
- Bodyguards never successfully protecting anyone
- Calamitas' behavior now. It just makes no sense. I feel like he is pushing a stupid agenda but he is too reasonable of a person to do it believably, and that is why it just comes out strange. He also went from "I want to lynch silver!" to "yea RR is best choice but I'll just wait a bit"
- The fact that we did have the same role claimed so often. For setup randomization that is irrelevant (BBB is as likely as any other 3 1-point roles), but the human element we get with fakeclaims could make that more likely.


Evidence against this theory:
- the low a-priori chance for sucm to do such a thing

and that's pretty much it.

You should re-read stuff more carefully before you do anything. Look at the tracker claim and their reaction. Also just read the entire game with that theory in mind, see if it makes sense.

If not, go for mail-mi. I really doubt it's iguana.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:45:17 am
oh and when I say "that's pretty much it" I mean that's the only point; but it's a strong point. Right now I'd say Calamitas - RR is more likely than mail-mi - RR but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:47:13 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

uh forgot this. Maybe it is RR/iguana after all.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:48:37 am
The first Seprix means RR in that post.

But actually, eh. That's not that likely of a partner post, because if they were partners, then igu would be the guy who shouldn't like it. I don't think scum argues that way.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:49:14 am
There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix
I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.

This is a partnery post
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:51:04 am
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1

also a towny post
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:52:13 am
Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

*sigh*

mail-mi has a big part of the blame in the Seprix lynch . . .
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:53:17 am
Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:57:17 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"
Mr. Spamming

these posts are just so horrible
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 06:58:55 am
now I'm nitpicking, but if Calamitas is town, why did he never question my probabilities? I haven't provided any evidence for them. As far as he knows, they could just be made up.

if he's scum and he knows that they point into the right direction he'd be scared to question them.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 07:00:25 am
kind of glad that I won't have to make that choice.

but make the right one. My winrate right now is exactly 60%. I don't want to go below that!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 07:57:04 am
now I'm nitpicking, but if Calamitas is town, why did he never question my probabilities? I haven't provided any evidence for them. As far as he knows, they could just be made up.

if he's scum and he knows that they point into the right direction he'd be scared to question them.
Simple reason, you previously said you gathered those probabilities via simulations and without access to a computer and I won't be able to check them. Tomorrow/in two days I will certainly check them if the day is stoll ongoing then.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 03, 2016, 08:04:31 am
This development is very lol
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 03, 2016, 08:15:38 am
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top.

Just a falsity. silver and I are not clearly doing anything. I am town, and my motivation is to lynch Roadrunner, who is now confirmed scum to me, and win with town. To say that we are clearly scum, when our town motivation is very clear, and the most likely explanation for our behavior, is absurd.

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Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman).
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I originally thought there were none. Then, I realized there are a few. However, to me, those don't really matter. As silver has already stated, the probabilities are low enough of all of that occuring to line up to frame Roadrunner that we just lynch him now regardles.

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I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Re-posted for upping

Ugh. Roadrunner is by far the scummiest player alive.  Look at how yesterday went down, and the shame-of-a-lynch that you, Mail-mi and Roadrunner were all on while silver and I were not. Your silver/Iguana conspiracy theory relies upon the idea that all of town, including Seprix, ended up lynching Seprix, while the only two scum both had not a single vote on them and were not voting for the mislynch. I admit that I waffled between Seprix and Roadrunner, because it was a difficult decision. But I WAS leaning Roadrunner at the time Seprix self-hammered. I will not deny that because it is true.


First you were 'convinced' of Seprix/Iguana, which has proven untrue, now silver/Iguana, which is pure idiocy. silver has been pushing the town towards lynching scum all game, and only because we haven't listened to him are we at LyLo right now.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 03, 2016, 08:16:21 am
I have more to say but I have to go to work.

Most of all, don't trivialize my decision making. Voting Roadrunner was NOT an easy decision. Yeesh.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 08:18:01 am
It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 03, 2016, 08:19:49 am
It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 03, 2016, 08:21:34 am
I do somewhat understand your hesitancy but a quick decision is customary on our site in a situation where one person is overwhelmingly likely to be scum, as I believe Roadrunner is here.

Mail-mi most likely is stalling, hoping you vote for one of us, so that Roadrunner and him can doublehammer and win.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 08:38:51 am
It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.
I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.

So I will take all time I want, the only ones that certainly know rrs alignment for certain are rr, you and silver. Me and mail don't.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: silverspawn on September 03, 2016, 08:42:48 am
It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.
I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.

So I will take all time I want, the only ones that certainly know rrs alignment for certain are rr, you and silver. Me and mail don't.

yes, that's indeed bad play if you are scum. But as scum you had a lot of temptation... you could end the game RIGHT NOW, why go through the trouble of waiting another day?

And your play is frankly similarly bad as town, which is why it's not alignment indicative.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on September 03, 2016, 10:12:49 am
I do somewhat understand your hesitancy but a quick decision is customary on our site in a situation where one person is overwhelmingly likely to be scum, as I believe Roadrunner is here.

Mail-mi most likely is stalling, hoping you vote for one of us, so that Roadrunner and him can doublehammer and win.

Mail-mi was sleeping.

Sorry Calamitas, but you're just wrong. Rr is scum. vote: roadrunner
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Calamitas on September 03, 2016, 10:16:11 am
That's fine, let's hope you're right.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 03, 2016, 10:20:38 am
Vote Count 3.final

Roadrunner(3): silverspawn, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Calamitas, Roadrunner7671

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch. 
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 03, 2016, 10:24:16 am
flavor later

Roadrunner has been lynched!

He was Basketball, posing as Badminton, the Mafia Roleblocker!

Night 3 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

THREAD LOCKED!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 03, 2016, 10:30:37 am
I would like to start the game earlier so if you could get your night actions in ASAP that would be great!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 03, 2016, 08:20:06 pm
the game will begin in about two hours, or at 10 pm.

If you have any problems with that, address them in your personal QT
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 04, 2016, 10:37:55 am
starting in thirty minutes. You can still change night actions for 20 minutes
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Night 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 04, 2016, 11:05:30 am
As the sports get ready for their final day, they realize this is it! 

They have one more shot to keep being the focus for at least a little bit longer. They need to create more hype for the paralympics! 

But it is announced that one sport won't be taking part in the paralympics. It has been decided that gymnastics is just too dangerous!


Calamitas has been killed in the night!

He was Gymnastics, the Bodyguard

Day four begins now and ends 11 am September 11

THREAD UNLOCKED!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 04, 2016, 11:07:23 am
Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (3): silverspawn, mail-mi, iguanaiguana

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 11:16:25 am
Nice work, Calamitas!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 11:16:57 am
Oh man, silver or Mail-mi.

Oh man.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 11:38:46 am
Nice work, Calamitas!

So my first thought here was:

Mail-mi is scum, shot for silverspawn, Calamitas bodyguarded and died instead, making the choice today straightforward.

Then quickly I realized the other scenario is just

silverspawn is scum, shot Calamitas to make Mail-mi look guilty. I need to consider that too.

I am definitely leaning Mail-mi here. But I need to reread both players.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: silverspawn on September 04, 2016, 11:55:45 am
ahh that's nice. I was really leaning towards Calamitas as the last scum. His behavior yesterday was just so silly.

Probably protected me.

I felt pretty confident that it's mail-mi or Calamitas, but between mail-mi and iguana it's actually purely reads based, so that is fallible. It is possible that I come out on the other end after rereading.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: silverspawn on September 04, 2016, 11:59:30 am
also confident that anyone who rereads me will come to the conclusion that I'm town. which means I'll have to make the hard choice.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 12:08:03 pm
Well I just read Mail-mi and he looks pretty terrible to me. I haven't read you yet.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 12:14:44 pm
Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

Lol oops
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 12:16:14 pm
wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

Yeah but this happened too, Iguana!
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on September 04, 2016, 12:19:39 pm
Oh man.

Okay, after rewind Mafia is set up I need to reread.
Title: Re: M85: Olympics Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on September 04, 2016, 12:20:05 pm
initially, I was of course mainly trying to provoke reactions.

it really depends on how you react, how believable it is, but generally, voting is the best reaction, not doing anything is the worst.

Joseph hasn't done anything and his push on Seprix is pretty telling. What Seprix did isn't alignment indicative and Joseph should know that.

silver keeps pushing the vote away from Seprix in a towny way, as opposed to Mail-mi who keeps claiming to have tunnel vision on Seprix in a very static, forced