^
/in\
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So now we have 4 games open for signups? I guess we need more people willing to play.
So now we have 4 games open for signups? I guess we need more people willing to play.
I'd try to get people onto the forum for the games but more than one RR like people running around would probably be too much.
They'd be worse.I'd try to get people onto the forum for the games but more than one RR like people running around would probably be too much.
Nah, it'll be fine. Besides, I doubt anyone is quite like you.
Is that even possible?They'd be worse.I'd try to get people onto the forum for the games but more than one RR like people running around would probably be too much.
Nah, it'll be fine. Besides, I doubt anyone is quite like you.
I'm the tamest person out of my friends who play Dominion.Is that even possible?They'd be worse.I'd try to get people onto the forum for the games but more than one RR like people running around would probably be too much.
Nah, it'll be fine. Besides, I doubt anyone is quite like you.
Also, /tag
I'm the tamest person out of my friends who play Dominion.Is that even possible?They'd be worse.I'd try to get people onto the forum for the games but more than one RR like people running around would probably be too much.
Nah, it'll be fine. Besides, I doubt anyone is quite like you.
Also, /tag
/in:D
Tempted due to flavor. Haddock, is the flavor awesome?Well. Eh.
FTFMTempted due to flavor. Haddock, is the flavor awesome?Well. Eh.
I've tried to make it not affect the game, so noonehasknows their flavour names, which might take you out of it a bit. And I have a rough shape for the story but nothing concrete yet.
So, yeah it's gonna totally be the best flavour ever and you should join! ;P
I'm aiming for "better than Cupcake Mafia flavour"
FTFMTempted due to flavor. Haddock, is the flavor awesome?Well. Eh.
I've tried to make it not affect the game, so noonehasknows their flavour names, which might take you out of it a bit. And I have a rough shape for the story but nothing concrete yet.
So, yeah it's gonna totally be the best flavour ever and you should join! ;P
I'm aiming for "better than Cupcake Mafia flavour"
I know. But this way drew attention to the change better.FTFMTempted due to flavor. Haddock, is the flavor awesome?Well. Eh.
I've tried to make it not affect the game, so noonehasknows their flavour names, which might take you out of it a bit. And I have a rough shape for the story but nothing concrete yet.
So, yeah it's gonna totally be the best flavour ever and you should join! ;P
I'm aiming for "better than Cupcake Mafia flavour"
You know, if you're the thread creator, you can actually edit your own posts! (And those of others.)
/comod?Yes! I wasn't sure if you were still up for that but would love it. I'll get that rolling asap
/in, then?A friend of Haddock is a friend of ours.
/in, then?Hahey! Everyone, SpaceAnemone, SpaceAnemone, everyone.
Hmm.. I'm a total newbie to forum mafia, so that setup may be more complicated than is sensible for me yet.
/in. for now.
/in. for now.
Yay! Welcome back
/in. for now.
Yay! Welcome back
Thanks. I'm not sure when I'll be going on a mission, so I may have to out unexpectedly.
/in. for now.
Yay! Welcome back
Thanks. I'm not sure when I'll be going on a mission, so I may have to out unexpectedly.
Well I mean you know a little bit in advance. Did you already get your call?
/in. for now.
Yay! Welcome back
Thanks. I'm not sure when I'll be going on a mission, so I may have to out unexpectedly.
Well I mean you know a little bit in advance. Did you already get your call?
Well yeah, but I haven't got my call yet. That's why :P
I am not much into Battlestar Galactica.
Do I need to know about BG to play??
I am not much into Battlestar Galactica.
Do I need to know about BG to play??
No, it will be somewhere between the most irrelevant thing ever and slightly relevant.
This sums it up nicely. :)I am not much into Battlestar Galactica.
Do I need to know about BG to play??
No, it will be somewhere between the most irrelevant thing ever and slightly relevant.
Woo! :)I am not much into Battlestar Galactica.
Do I need to know about BG to play??
No, it will be somewhere between the most irrelevant thing ever and slightly relevant.
Thanks! Let's try my first Mafia game.
/in
/inDouble-woo! I was just thinking of PMing you and/or lio.
Double-woo! I was just thinking of PMing you and/or lio.lio is in forum-recovery in preparation for the school year. I try not to even mention mafia.
That's not a thing!Double-woo! I was just thinking of PMing you and/or lio.lio is in forum-recovery in preparation for the school year. I try not to even mention mafia.
I'll play if Ashersky does!Ash, how can you turn that down? :P
I'll play if Ashersky does!
I'll play if Ashersky does!
I'll play if you play 8)
I'd like to play, thanks!Woo!
Just wait another week and I'd love to :(It may yet come to that! :P
Just wait another week and I'd love to :(
Wow I really didn't think it would take that long to get the hammer.still don't have a hammer. If I had a hammer ...
Faust?
Right onFaust?
's moddin'
pm some of the new playersDone.
/in (except if you think that a newbie is able to play two games at the same time)A newbie is most definitely able to play two games at a time unless one of the following is true:
A newbie doesn't belong in any of these categories ;)/in (except if you think that a newbie is able to play two games at the same time)A newbie is most definitely able to play two games at a time unless one of the following is true:
This newbie works over 70 hours a week
This newbie has four kids under the age of 12 or six kids under his/her roof.
Wooohooo!A newbie doesn't belong in any of these categories ;)/in (except if you think that a newbie is able to play two games at the same time)A newbie is most definitely able to play two games at a time unless one of the following is true:
This newbie works over 70 hours a week
This newbie has four kids under the age of 12 or six kids under his/her roof.
/in
vote: rr for voting first.
Vote: Space for being in cahoots with the mod
vote: WWuh ww isn't actually in the game.
Wow it has been a very long time since I last played.
vote: rr for voting first.
You're clearly in cahoots with the mafia as well, don't be such a traitor.
vote: WWuh ww isn't actually in the game.
Wow it has been a very long time since I last played.
vote: WWuh ww isn't actually in the game.
Wow it has been a very long time since I last played.
Doesn't mean he isn't scum
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's 2am in Germany ;)I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's pretty late for some of us! :-P
What are you doing awake?It's 2am in Germany ;)I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's pretty late for some of us! :-P
What are you doing awake?
Better question, what are you doing on the dominion forum?
I have a quite strange sleep cycle.What are you doing awake?It's 2am in Germany ;)I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's pretty late for some of us! :-P
Better question, what are you doing on the dominion forum?
That will come in handy for you playing on this forum.I have a quite strange sleep cycle.What are you doing awake?It's 2am in Germany ;)I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's pretty late for some of us! :-P
Better question, what are you doing on the dominion forum?
Oh cool, you're in the gameThat will come in handy for you playing on this forum.I have a quite strange sleep cycle.What are you doing awake?It's 2am in Germany ;)I definitely have to get used to the RVS...
Vote: Silverspawn for not showing up yet
It's pretty late for some of us! :-P
Better question, what are you doing on the dominion forum?
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
Don't you think that is a little harsh?
Hm, this could work out well.I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
Hm, this could work out well.I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
Either way it works for me! Disastrous is if I have a bad read as town.Or disastrously if you are scumHm, this could work out well.I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
this is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
Pls explainthis is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
Who says "I'm gonna help scum if I'm scum"? I don't know if it's newbie town being too unnecessarily thorough or newbie scum being too cautious, but I'm leaning toward the latter.Pls explainthis is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Did I do something wrong?! It seems I have been chosen already.
It was late in Germany!
vote: diedre for being voted by EFHW
Don't you think that is a little harsh?
Meh, whatever.
Vote: diedre
Wagons!
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Politics is the only thing more boring than blood samples.
I am a completely noob! Haddock explained me some things...
Could you please share with me what kind of power players can have?
I know only mods have that information but maybe you have an idea about Mafia games in general.
I really hope I'm scum this game!
Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Who says "I'm gonna help scum if I'm scum"? I don't know if it's newbie town being too unnecessarily thorough or newbie scum being too cautious, but I'm leaning toward the latter.Pls explainthis is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
In fact, I'm definitely on the side of the latter. What town narrative prompts someone thinks that? I can think of it being newbie scum afraid to lie, or newbie scum thinking "if I just say I'm town they'll think I'm suspicious! Gotta make sure to be extra careful!"
Thanks for making me explain, it just made me a lot more sure of this vote.
I am a completely noob! Haddock explained me some things...
Could you please share with me what kind of power players can have?
I know only mods have that information but maybe you have an idea about Mafia games in general.
Some common ones...
Doctor - protect someone from a NK (Town Role)
Cop - Find out if someone is Mafia or not (Town Role)
RB - Block someone's action (Town or Scum Role)
Redirector - Redirect Action from A to B (Town or Scum Role)
Rolecop - find out what power someone has (Town or Scum Role)
Vigilante - Town who can kill someone at night (Town Role)
Bulletproof - passive power, survives one kill (Usually Town Role)
Commuter - can go away at night, isn't affected by anything (Usually Town Role)
Neighborizer - create a private chat with someone else (Town or Scum Role)
Godfather - Passive; if targeted by the Cop he gets an innocent result (Scum Role)
And then there are the two prominent 3d party roles who are neither Town nor Mafia, which are
Survivor - Wins if the is alive at the end of the game
SK - wins if everyone else is dead.
Beyond this, we shouldn't talk about roles yet. The setup is closed, we literally have no idea what is in this game
Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Teamyle, what are your experiences with Mafia?
I don't like this teamyle wagon at all. I don't have enough information to make a call. I want to talk to him first.
if I'm scum.
I don't know why I'm pursuing this case when I don't believe in it.Maybe because it is something to do?
Unvote
I don't like this teamyle wagon at all. I don't have enough information to make a call. I want to talk to him first.
Well, he claimed scum, and he's not Joseph, and he's not Seprix...
Did I do something wrong?! It seems I have been chosen already.unvote. I was just saying hello!
It was late in Germany!
Did I do something wrong?! It seems I have been chosen already.unvote. I was just saying hello!
It was late in Germany!
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Could you please elaborate on the latter? In which way did he play different last time?Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Really? I don't feel like either of them are very scummy. although teamlyle seems a little different from last game.
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Why? Teamyle seems to have been just doing some RVS, and diedre is reacting pretty fairly to everyone piling on him like he's a crook. Newer people reacting to pressure are not by necessity scum.
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Really? I don't feel like either of them are very scummy. although teamlyle seems a little different from last game.
Did I do something wrong?! It seems I have been chosen already.unvote. I was just saying hello!
It was late in Germany!
Why don't you want to eat the cookie if it's right there?
Could you please elaborate on the latter? In which way did he play different last time?Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Really? I don't feel like either of them are very scummy. although teamlyle seems a little different from last game.
Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's responding. I guess I'll quadruple post
Well, they said the teamlyle is some kind of nervous. But IMO that doesn't point in either direction since newbies generally tend to get nervous when under pressure.Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's responding. I guess I'll quadruple post
Well to be fair, your last four posts didn't really say anything
*that teamlyleWell, they said the teamlyle is some kind of nervous. But IMO that doesn't point in either direction since newbies generally tend to get nervous when under pressure.Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's responding. I guess I'll quadruple post
Well to be fair, your last four posts didn't really say anything
Well, they said the teamlyle is some kind of nervous. But IMO that doesn't point in either direction since newbies generally tend to get nervous when under pressure.Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's responding. I guess I'll quadruple post
Well to be fair, your last four posts didn't really say anything
I'm not buying the joking angle, and I think the comment does reveal he is not in a town mindset. Vote: TeamlyleLast game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Teamyle, what are your experiences with Mafia?
None besides the 2 games that I played. I really want my reads to be better this game, and I was joking because I thought we were still in RVS.
I'm not buying the joking angle, and I think the comment does reveal he is not in a town mindset. Vote: TeamlyleLast game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Teamyle, what are your experiences with Mafia?
None besides the 2 games that I played. I really want my reads to be better this game, and I was joking because I thought we were still in RVS.
Okay, Vote: fontisian courtesy of random.org. lolThis is an ugly post. The random.org vote for RVS feels really forced like he's trying to go with the flow. The second paragraph is forced too. "Look how I'm worried about buddying!"
Just to be perfectly honest, I don't have any evidence for being town, at least not more than everyone else. So I'd be suspicious if anyone trusted me too much.
It seems like scum strategy to try to out people who don't know what they're doing in order to get an easy mislynch. Take this post from last game:True, being newbie means you make mistakes as town and sound scummy. I've been there, believe me. You also sometimes draw scum and then sound scummy, too. The fact you were town last time is independent of whether you are this time.Okay, Vote: fontisian courtesy of random.org. lolThis is an ugly post. The random.org vote for RVS feels really forced like he's trying to go with the flow. The second paragraph is forced too. "Look how I'm worried about buddying!"
Just to be perfectly honest, I don't have any evidence for being town, at least not more than everyone else. So I'd be suspicious if anyone trusted me too much.
I was town last game and Haddock was scum. He was trying to out me for being awkward. And saying "this is an ugly post" to try to get a nervous/emotional reaction out of me. Same thing here. I might not be a "newbie" anymore but I still can't seem to avoid saying things that sound scummy, even though people like Joseph claim scum and no one thinks anything of it.
you also weren't mislynched in that game, so "easy mislynch" doesn't fit.
Sucks to be mislynched. But his post reads like appeal to emotion to me. If he's town, better to try to be helpful and ride it out.you also weren't mislynched in that game, so "easy mislynch" doesn't fit.
But he was easily mislynched in his second game.
Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
I got older. :P
Also gkrieg and I had just had an exchange about if I was town, if I was scum. But I don't know how either preceding event bears on his post, I just don't think it came from the mindset of someone with a town pm.I'm not buying the joking angle, and I think the comment does reveal he is not in a town mindset. Vote: TeamlyleLast game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Teamyle, what are your experiences with Mafia?
None besides the 2 games that I played. I really want my reads to be better this game, and I was joking because I thought we were still in RVS.
The only thing is that Teamyle made a comment about being scum before any roles were sent via mail. Being 'unbiased' like that after the fact is weird. As scum, why not just announce how towny you are? No reason whatsoever to make a post like that.
And you're still young enough where getting older is a good thing!Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
I got older. :P
I have literally never quite seen a post like that. Treating your own alignment as purposefully unclear is bizarre. Claiming scum is different. Including the possibility for an outside view is also different. But saying 'I hope I'll have a good game if I'm scum' is just so weird.
and I do think there's a decent chance that it's just because he drew scum.
That's the cookie you are refusing to eat.
you also weren't mislynched in that game, so "easy mislynch" doesn't fit.
There is no such thing.And you're still young enough where getting older is a good thing!Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
I got older. :P
lol whatever 8)
lol whatever 8)
ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.
vote: Teamyle
L-2 I think?
lol whatever 8)
ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.
vote: Teamyle
L-2 I think?
It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?
On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?that part looks actually akward...Still not sure who to vote for, for now I think teamlyle and silver are the most suspicious ones in here. However, silver is playing ridiculous all the time, no idea what to make of that. Therefore unvote , but that doesn't mean I think either of them is innocent.
Are you even 20?Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
I got older. :P
Vote Count 1.2Okay, there are 3 distributed votes from RVS, 5 active votes on teamlyle and 4 are not voting. 2 of them actively (Seprix and me), 1 is the "suspect" and the last one hasn't shown up yet (chairs).
Why can’t we use the starboard launch?
It’s a gift shop now.
Frak me.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkrieg
teamlyle (5): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana (L-2)
Not Voting (4): chairs, Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: 6pm, 30 August.
Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's respondingThey could be spectators, but next time, check this link! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=who
Man, 4 of you are viewing this thread right now and no one's respondingThey could be spectators, but next time, check this link! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=who
Now you can call people out by name!
PPE
18.Are you even 20?Ok I missed teamlyle's post the first time around. I can see why people think it is scummy, but I don't think it is a tell either way.
I like this new mail-mi. He seems to be a lot more active, and trying to figure things out.
I got older. :P
*This is not intended to sound snarky*
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?
Assembly? That is everyone's least favorite...
vote: teamlyle.Haven't you already voted on him?
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?
Assembly? That is everyone's least favorite...
Actually, a billiard player's least favorite language is scratch
Never mind mail-mi explained it to me
Right hereWho says "I'm gonna help scum if I'm scum"? I don't know if it's newbie town being too unnecessarily thorough or newbie scum being too cautious, but I'm leaning toward the latter.Pls explainthis is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
In fact, I'm definitely on the side of the latter. What town narrative prompts someone thinks that? I can think of it being newbie scum afraid to lie, or newbie scum thinking "if I just say I'm town they'll think I'm suspicious! Gotta make sure to be extra careful!"
Thanks for making me explain, it just made me a lot more sure of this vote.
vote: teamlyle.Haven't you already voted on him?
I'm hardly going to start punishing anyone for this, but please be aware that spoiler tags are not allowed in this game.I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?
Assembly? That is everyone's least favorite...
Actually, a billiard player's least favorite language is scratch
I thought it was Moat?
Right hereWho says "I'm gonna help scum if I'm scum"? I don't know if it's newbie town being too unnecessarily thorough or newbie scum being too cautious, but I'm leaning toward the latter.Pls explainthis is a real vote.Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.vote: teamlyle
In fact, I'm definitely on the side of the latter. What town narrative prompts someone thinks that? I can think of it being newbie scum afraid to lie, or newbie scum thinking "if I just say I'm town they'll think I'm suspicious! Gotta make sure to be extra careful!"
Thanks for making me explain, it just made me a lot more sure of this vote.
Has anyone information about chairs?
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
I am pretty confident that is L-1 plz no derphammerPlease take it back, otherwise it is just to risky. Not that I wouldn't think it is a legit lynch, but ending the day so early would be just ridiculous (Please correct me if I am wrong with my assumption that the day ends prematurely if the lynch happens that early).
The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.Okay, should be fine anyway. The remaining players are probably experienced enough to avoid such a mistake.
Okay Teamyle, you gave some reads on SS. Can you give reads on everyone? Maybe claim as well?
What did just happened???
I'd actually argue hated is more likely a Town trait, in this theme, but that's just me.
Someone had a double vote or teamlyle was hatedIf I understand it correctly, hated cannot be the case since it would have happened right after chairs vote then (or is it up to the mod when he announces the lynch?).
Never mind mail-mi explained it to meHow? In thread?
Well, this probably means Teamlyle is town then, right?
Well, this probably means Teamlyle is town then, right?
Yes. I was town
there goes my biggest town read :o ;DEFHW or seprix?
nicely done
there goes my biggest town read :o ;DEFHW or seprix?
nicely done
Does mafia get to know who the traitor is? Or if there is a traitor?
Okay thanks.Does mafia get to know who the traitor is? Or if there is a traitor?
They usually don't. Traitor almost always means mafia doesn't know who hey are or that there even is one
vote: rr for voting first.
You're clearly in cahoots with the mafia as well, don't be such a traitor.
Okay thanks.Does mafia get to know who the traitor is? Or if there is a traitor?
They usually don't. Traitor almost always means mafia doesn't know who hey are or that there even is onevote: rr for voting first.
You're clearly in cahoots with the mafia as well, don't be such a traitor.
Although I think Seprix tried to breadcrumb in the posting above by using the word traitor. How do you estimate the chance of mafia understanding it?
Okay thanks.Does mafia get to know who the traitor is? Or if there is a traitor?
They usually don't. Traitor almost always means mafia doesn't know who hey are or that there even is onevote: rr for voting first.
You're clearly in cahoots with the mafia as well, don't be such a traitor.
Although I think Seprix tried to breadcrumb in the posting above by using the word traitor. How do you estimate the chance of mafia understanding it?
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Why? Teamyle seems to have been just doing some RVS, and diedre is reacting pretty fairly to everyone piling on him like he's a crook. Newer people reacting to pressure are not by necessity scum.
On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
Well, this probably means Teamlyle is town then, right?
Yes. I was town
Man, oh, man. I'll look into the wagon on Teamlyle. At least one scum must be there.
Also, can double voting or hating be a town trait?
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done any more.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkriegteamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
teamlyle has been lynched! With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
I'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Does this make me an IC, since I wasn't here so long?Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Realtalk, vote: teamlyle
The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.
So looking at chairs, we have this vote from him on teamlyleI'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Does this make me an IC, since I wasn't here so long?Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Realtalk, vote: teamlyle
That puts teamlyle at L-1The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.
This vote makes me think that he knew about the secret voting/double voting thing.
Not much from D1, but that one post is enough for vote: chairs
there goes my biggest town read :o ;D
nicely done
This just in - teamlyle lynched at what was assumed by all (except our mystery PR?) to be L-1. News at 11.Would scum really act like that. Anyway, its the best we have by now, therfore vote: chairs . But please don't end this one that early!
Agreeing with gkrieg, however I am not sure how to estimate the post with the strange font.*Would scum really act like that?This just in - teamlyle lynched at what was assumed by all (except our mystery PR?) to be L-1. News at 11.Would scum really act like that. Anyway, its the best we have by now, therfore vote: chairs . But please don't end this one that early!
So looking at chairs, we have this vote from him on teamlyleI'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Does this make me an IC, since I wasn't here so long?Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Realtalk, vote: teamlyle
That puts teamlyle at L-1The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.
This vote makes me think that he knew about the secret voting/double voting thing.
Not much from D1, but that one post is enough for vote: chairs
I would not have caught that as mafia. Although if Seprix was a traitor, I would guess that we have 2 mafia left alive? So when you see that there are only two mafia in a 12 person game, you probably assume traitor. Ya I don't know.
So looking at chairs, we have this vote from him on teamlyleI'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Does this make me an IC, since I wasn't here so long?Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Realtalk, vote: teamlyle
That puts teamlyle at L-1The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.
This vote makes me think that he knew about the secret voting/double voting thing.
Not much from D1, but that one post is enough for vote: chairs
Are you on drugs? How could I have possibly known about the doublevote/hiddenvote thing? Seprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.
Anyway, working on updating my reads now that we know seprix was scum and efhw was town - my next biggest scumread was iguana D1. Not sure that still holds because I've slept since then, but that's where I'll be starting.
They might have known though. We can't know since the setup is closed.
chairs' reaction makes him scummier I feel.
I would not have caught that as mafia. Although if Seprix was a traitor, I would guess that we have 2 mafia left alive? So when you see that there are only two mafia in a 12 person game, you probably assume traitor. Ya I don't know.
If the scumteam is small, and they know BSG, they may assume they're in line to get more members later on though townies discovering they're actually scum after all. That was literally my first thought when Haddock mentioned a BSG-themed mafia game, because the Cylon team in the BSG boardgame works with a hidden traitor mechanic in which additional alignments are dealt part-way through.
OTOH, if we know there are already scums and at least one traitor, maybe there's some hope that Haddocks's not messing with us to quite that extent?
Paranoia is a big theme in BSG...
They might have known though. We can't know since the setup is closed.
chairs' reaction makes him scummier I feel.
In what way does it make him scummier?
Seprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.
there goes my biggest town read :o ;D
nicely done
Explain.
Kinda defends silverspawn here:On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
so we have silverspawn and diedre, who were the two that Seprix defended.
"Ah well, never liked him anyway."[/i]
Since his role was colored red on the flip, he was mafia aligned."Ah well, never liked him anyway."[/i]
Nicely done, Haddock! I am loving your flavor texts!
Was Seprix a Mafia traitor or a Town traitor?
Since his role was colored red on the flip, he was mafia aligned."Ah well, never liked him anyway."[/i]
Nicely done, Haddock! I am loving your flavor texts!
Was Seprix a Mafia traitor or a Town traitor?
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
Could there be a killer in their midst?
If the scumteam is small, and they know BSG, they may assume they're in line to get more members later on though townies discovering they're actually scum after all. That was literally my first thought when Haddock mentioned a BSG-themed mafia game, because the Cylon team in the BSG boardgame works with a hidden traitor mechanic in which additional alignments are dealt part-way through.
OTOH, if we know there are already scums and at least one traitor, maybe there's some hope that Haddocks's not messing with us to quite that extent?
Paranoia is a big theme in BSG...
This makes me wish I knew more on the flavor.
I was under the impression that mail-mi took responsibility for the extra NK.Explanation please
Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
there goes my biggest town read :o ;D
nicely done
Explain.
explain what?Kinda defends silverspawn here:On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
That is not a defense. That is an attack.so we have silverspawn and diedre, who were the two that Seprix defended.
And I don't like that you are repeating this
Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
By the way, what do you think about the two kills?
IMO there are two plausible options (if i am not missing sth):
1. Town PR with NK has got the traitor hint. But they could have outed their doubts on Day 1. Of course, mafia could have killed Seprix and the PR efhw but I don't see any reason for a town PR to kill efhw. He wasn't really scummy at all.
2. There is a serial killer out there. Especially when I look at the last sentence of Haddocks flavor post, this becomes a much more likely case than #1.Could there be a killer in their midst?
Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
I read that as Mail-mi assuming that Seprix used his special voting to take out teamlyle, thereby solving the mystery of his untimely death. I guess the fact that Seprix didn't show up at all on the wagon is odd, but I'm not sure how the mechanism of double-voting would work with wagons. Do both votes have to be on the same person, or could his public first vote be on "not voting", and a secret second one move to teamlyle to get the hammer there?
Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
I read that as Mail-mi assuming that Seprix used his special voting to take out teamlyle, thereby solving the mystery of his untimely death. I guess the fact that Seprix didn't show up at all on the wagon is odd, but I'm not sure how the mechanism of double-voting would work with wagons. Do both votes have to be on the same person, or could his public first vote be on "not voting", and a secret second one move to teamlyle to get the hammer there?
It must've been that he had a secret vote because of the vote counts. Teamlyle actually was at L-1 for at least a moment, so the vote came after the vote count right before the final vote count.
I was under the impression that mail-mi took responsibility for the extra NK.
Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
I read that as Mail-mi assuming that Seprix used his special voting to take out teamlyle, thereby solving the mystery of his untimely death. I guess the fact that Seprix didn't show up at all on the wagon is odd, but I'm not sure how the mechanism of double-voting would work with wagons. Do both votes have to be on the same person, or could his public first vote be on "not voting", and a secret second one move to teamlyle to get the hammer there?
It must've been that he had a secret vote because of the vote counts. Teamlyle actually was at L-1 for at least a moment, so the vote came after the vote count right before the final vote count.
I'm questioning why it has to be Seprix who had the secret vote, and not some other player. Teamlyle was at L-1, so it wouldn't even have required the double-voting thing to kill him.
Also, does anyone other than Silver read Mail-mi as taking responsibility for the extra NK?
I was under the impression that mail-mi took responsibility for the extra NK.
Well, since you think that, guess I'll claim a little bit. No, I did not do the extra night kill.
Well, it is quite unlikely that there are two guys out there having special voting ability, particular two scums with that ability. And since only scum would have had an interest in ending the day that early, all signs point to Seprix.Well, figured out what happened to teamlyle.
I read that as Mail-mi assuming that Seprix used his special voting to take out teamlyle, thereby solving the mystery of his untimely death. I guess the fact that Seprix didn't show up at all on the wagon is odd, but I'm not sure how the mechanism of double-voting would work with wagons. Do both votes have to be on the same person, or could his public first vote be on "not voting", and a secret second one move to teamlyle to get the hammer there?
It must've been that he had a secret vote because of the vote counts. Teamlyle actually was at L-1 for at least a moment, so the vote came after the vote count right before the final vote count.
I'm questioning why it has to be Seprix who had the secret vote, and not some other player. Teamlyle was at L-1, so it wouldn't even have required the double-voting thing to kill him.
Also, does anyone other than Silver read Mail-mi as taking responsibility for the extra NK?
So looking at chairs, we have this vote from him on teamlyleI'm here. Vote: diedre, just because.
Being here is clearly a scumslip
Does this make me an IC, since I wasn't here so long?Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Realtalk, vote: teamlyle
That puts teamlyle at L-1The day does end early upon a lynch. I will not retract my vote, however - I'd like to see this play out.
This vote makes me think that he knew about the secret voting/double voting thing.
Not much from D1, but that one post is enough for vote: chairs
Are you on drugs? How could I have possibly known about the doublevote/hiddenvote thing? Seprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.
Anyway, working on updating my reads now that we know seprix was scum and efhw was town - my next biggest scumread was iguana D1. Not sure that still holds because I've slept since then, but that's where I'll be starting.
What about the other parts of my case on you?
I don't see any "other" part of your case.
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
Am I not smiling enough for your liking here? :-)
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
What don't you like about the chairs wagon?
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
What don't you like about the chairs wagon?
that it's on chairs
I don't think he overreacted to pressure ... two quick votes is serious stuff with just 9 players and hidden votes flying around.
And the quote you pulled that you say suggests that he knew about the secret vote suggests the opposite to me.
Vote: SeprixHes dead
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
Vote: Seprix
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
Yeah I realized thatVote: SeprixHes dead
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
It was one post in particular and I figured I'd vote based off that then find moreVote: Seprix
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
I don't actually know what to say about this. I mean you have a list of your meta tells probably in your notes app, so I feel like this is just a little over the top.
What about reading him D1 doesn't look so good? What is your case on him?
I think it might've been thislol whatever 8)
ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.
vote: Teamyle
L-2 I think?
It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
No, no. Please start caring. Make a reads list! Give us something so that if you die and you're town, we have something to go by. If you're scum, town still has something to go by! Just because you might die doesn't mean you can't still make town reads!
Your reaction to all of this makes me think town anyways.
unvote
I think it might've been thislol whatever 8)
ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.
vote: Teamyle
L-2 I think?
It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
No, no. Please start caring. Make a reads list! Give us something so that if you die and you're town, we have something to go by. If you're scum, town still has something to go by! Just because you might die doesn't mean you can't still make town reads!
Your reaction to all of this makes me think town anyways.
unvote
Also Vote: diedre
You are wrong RR. Could you explain your vote, please?
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
What don't you like about the chairs wagon?
that it's on chairs
I don't think he overreacted to pressure ... two quick votes is serious stuff with just 9 players and hidden votes flying around.
And the quote you pulled that you say suggests that he knew about the secret vote suggests the opposite to me.
How does it suggest the opposite to you? How does saying that he will keep his vote because he wants to see what happens suggest that he didn't know about a secret vote?
not liking the chairs wagon
instead how about a vote: SpaceAnemone
What don't you like about the chairs wagon?
that it's on chairs
I don't think he overreacted to pressure ... two quick votes is serious stuff with just 9 players and hidden votes flying around.
And the quote you pulled that you say suggests that he knew about the secret vote suggests the opposite to me.
How does it suggest the opposite to you? How does saying that he will keep his vote because he wants to see what happens suggest that he didn't know about a secret vote?
because it's too blunt. Put yourself into his position. Why say it like this?
Your reads list doesn't have the right people in the red.
SpaceAnemone - now has some stupid personal text so that I can ctrl + f to find their posts
You just used my password O.o ;) ;) :DSpaceAnemone - now has some stupid personal text so that I can ctrl + f to find their posts
FTFY :-)
he might. I just don't think it's likely.
who would I put... SpaceA probably... maybe diedre just based no being non-existent.
Do you really think that both of the new players that are more on the lurky side are the remaining mafia?
he might. I just don't think it's likely.
who would I put... SpaceA probably... maybe diedre just based no being non-existent.
Why Both of them? I agree that Space has been pretty non-existant. Now that I can reread him, he hasn't really said any about the people in the game at all. In fact he hasn't voted anyone since RVS. I agree that he really is on the scummier side, even though I put him on the town side earlier before I reread him.
Also, for pronouns, would you like to try they/their (see fix in #310) or she/her? Thanks! :-)
Seprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.Slightly scummy ones:
I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.
- mail-mi: Opening the case for teamlyle
diedre has literally 1 post about someone else's alignment, and that's a vote for teamlyle.
vote: diedre pressure vote. get on here and do stuff man!
I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.
Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.
Vote Count 2.1Update:
Perfection. That’s what it’s about. It’s those moments. When you can feel the perfection of creation. The beauty of physics, you know, the wonder of mathematics. The elation of action and reaction, and that is the kind of perfection that I want to be connected to.
chairs (3): gkrieg, mail-mi, Calamitas (L-2)
SpaceAnemone (1): silver
Not Voting (5): chairs, diedre91, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: 7pm, 2 September.
Forget the L-2, rest should be correctVote Count 2.1Update:
Perfection. That’s what it’s about. It’s those moments. When you can feel the perfection of creation. The beauty of physics, you know, the wonder of mathematics. The elation of action and reaction, and that is the kind of perfection that I want to be connected to.
chairs (3): gkrieg, mail-mi, Calamitas (L-2)
SpaceAnemone (1): silver
Not Voting (5): chairs, diedre91, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: 7pm, 2 September.
chairs (2): gkrieg, Calamitas (L-2)
SpaceAnemone (1): silver
Silverspawn(1): iguanaiguana
Diedre(2): roadrunner, mail-mi
Not Voting (3): chairs, diedre91, SpaceAnemone
Also, for pronouns, would you like to try they/their (see fix in #310) or she/her? Thanks! :-)
Just to make sure, you want me to use she/her for you?
Also, for pronouns, would you like to try they/their (see fix in #310) or she/her? Thanks! :-)
Just to make sure, you want me to use she/her for you?
Well, I was enjoying the fact that nobody had pronouned me at all up till that point, in either of the f.ds games I'm in :-P
She/her is what I use IRL, but I like that Haddock chose to introduce me here in a gender-neutral way, so I'm also really happy to keep being "they". I'm really not a fan of binary gender as a concept.
Not happy being labelled scum either, but I'll go and do some reading now!
I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.
Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.
I guess it was just that you didn't seem genuine for some reason. Just didn't feel right. Especially the way you are jumping on the diedre wagon now.
Gkrieg, what do you think about iguana's post about silver?
Gkrieg, what do you think about iguana's post about silver?
You mean his vote? I don't see a post.
Vote: silverspawn. I'm VLA until Tuesday. More when I get a chance. Please don't end the day.Meaning that one. Do.you think there is something real behind his obsurity (good read, PR investigation) or is it just nothing in your opinion?
15 posts since the game started, many of them not about the game.I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.
Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.
I guess it was just that you didn't seem genuine for some reason. Just didn't feel right. Especially the way you are jumping on the diedre wagon now.
I still think chairs is scummy. But I want diedre to show up and do something in the game.
Has space been absent here? Lemme check when I'm on a computer.
15 posts since the game started, many of them not about the game.I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.
Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.
I guess it was just that you didn't seem genuine for some reason. Just didn't feel right. Especially the way you are jumping on the diedre wagon now.
I still think chairs is scummy. But I want diedre to show up and do something in the game.
Has space been absent here? Lemme check when I'm on a computer.
Kinda defends silverspawn here:On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
That is not a defense. That is an attack.
To compensate for the forum downtime, today's deadline will be extended by 24 hours.Todays deadline?
To compensate for the forum downtime, today's deadline will be extended by 24 hours.Todays deadline?
Anyway, the new deadline is 3rd of September, isn't it?
Makes senseTo compensate for the forum downtime, today's deadline will be extended by 24 hours.Todays deadline?
Anyway, the new deadline is 3rd of September, isn't it?
If I am not mistaken, we should post every 24h.
Makes senseTo compensate for the forum downtime, today's deadline will be extended by 24 hours.Todays deadline?
Anyway, the new deadline is 3rd of September, isn't it?
If I am not mistaken, we should post every 24h.
Chairs, you're basically at L-1 (mail-mi stated he is still suspecting chairs but voted for diedre to raise his activity) and we still didn't hear a proper defense.
Really not sure: Gkrieg. I mean, I want to believe he's solvy town, but there are a few tiny threads that don't quite sit right for me. The first is the exchange below with Silver, since I agree that Seprix's words as quoted look like a hedgey attack, rather than a defence.Kinda defends silverspawn here:On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
That is not a defense. That is an attack.
The second thing was that in post #252, he picked out Seprix's use of the word "trait" in post #237 ("Also, can double voting or hating be a town trait?"), and said "Not too much to go off of, but he was definitely dropping that he was a traitor like the whole game". That would be fine, but Seprix's words were mimicking Chair's language of post #230 ("I'd actually argue hated is more likely a Town trait, in this theme, but that's just me."), and given that he's also building a case on Chairs, something feels contradictory about his not mentioning that.
Last and possibly least, there was a comment quite early in D1 from Gkrieg about liking the new Mail-mi, but at that point I didn't think Mail-mi had said all that much, so I found it odd. I have no idea what Mail-mi was like previously, though, and haven't read any Mail-mi games, so it may just be such a marked difference that even with a handful of posts it was obvious.
Sorry for not being that active as you are guys. Got pretty busy week.
I did not expect that much commitment from the players.
As I told already, it is also my first game. It is hard to follow the posts sometimes.
Here it goes what I think, how I see other players.
silverspawn: Scum. His comments sound pretty scummy. Also convinced by the others.
SpaceAnemone: Town. Not much to say.
gkrieg: Not sure. Very active. It could be that he is playing like this to fool us.
Roadrunner: Since the beggining I though he was town. That is why I told he was wrong about voting on me. I still believe he is town.
chairs: Scum. gkrieg and Calamitas convinced me.
iguana: Town. Few posts but seems trustworthy.
mail-mi: no idea. Pretty confused about him.
Calamitas: Town. Pretty sure about this one.
Chairs, you're basically at L-1 (mail-mi stated he is still suspecting chairs but voted for diedre to raise his activity) and we still didn't hear a proper defense.
I'm not currently voting for Chairs, but I do think he's currently looking scummiest just now, so that could easily change. I don't want hasty voting when there have already been hidden votes messing with things, hence wanting some input from the oldies before I vote. Unless they don't show up for hours and hours and I just get bored... :-P
Updated reads list...
Reads - D2, v1: (TT - T - N - S - SS)
1. silverspawn - T
2. SpaceAnemone - T
3. gkrieg - TT
4. Roadrunner - S
5. Seprix - (Mafia Traitor)
6. chairs - FREE SPACE
7. iguana - S
8. mail-mi - S
9. EFHW - (Town)
10. diedre91 - T
11. teamlyle - (Town)
12. Calamitas - N
ss feels like town!ss to me. If I was doing TT-TT-T-N-S-SS-SSS though he's still be T.
iguana feels kinda backgroundy to me, but I don't feel as strongly about him now as I did D1.
Chairs, you're basically at L-1 (mail-mi stated he is still suspecting chairs but voted for diedre to raise his activity) and we still didn't hear a proper defense.
I'm not currently voting for Chairs, but I do think he's currently looking scummiest just now, so that could easily change. I don't want hasty voting when there have already been hidden votes messing with things, hence wanting some input from the oldies before I vote. Unless they don't show up for hours and hours and I just get bored... :-P
Why does he look the scummiest?
And where has silverspawn been solvy, and why is it more than what you have seen elsewhere?
Chairs, you're basically at L-1 (mail-mi stated he is still suspecting chairs but voted for diedre to raise his activity) and we still didn't hear a proper defense.
I'm not currently voting for Chairs, but I do think he's currently looking scummiest just now, so that could easily change. I don't want hasty voting when there have already been hidden votes messing with things, hence wanting some input from the oldies before I vote. Unless they don't show up for hours and hours and I just get bored... :-P
Why does he look the scummiest?
And where has silverspawn been solvy, and why is it more than what you have seen elsewhere?
Chairs looked the scummiest to me when I did my re-read of everything late Friday night. I want to re-check now he's posted something in his defence.
Silver has been solvy in older games I'd read, but not in the parallel current game that I'm not sure I'm supposed to talk about within another current game. Hence being vague.
3. gkrieg - TT
hmm not really
diedre is copying his reads but he is pretty new. it could be legit.
SA is going in a pretty different direction. I think that's a non-partner tell.
for now I'd say we should lynch in {diedre, gkrieg}.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
3. gkrieg - TT
Really? Talk about that to me.
Town his pretty sheepish here. gkrieg sort of puts forth his agende and pretty much dictates the consensus. That's pretty bad considering he has us two as the highest scum reads.
3. gkrieg - TT
Really? Talk about that to me.
Town his pretty sheepish here. gkrieg sort of puts forth his agende and pretty much dictates the consensus. That's pretty bad considering he has us two as the highest scum reads.
Honestly I was just trying to get the game going and had a lot of time on my hands to go back and read D1. I feel like if the pushing the agenda thing is me asking questions then you are trying to stop good discussion from happening. We have a lot of new players. Someone has to ask the questions.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
so back to gkrieg himself...
the problem is that his reads are so basic. chairs is scummy because he put town at L-1. I'm scummy because I'm weird and not as active. diedre is kind of scummy because he's kind of lurky. etc.
everyone who's played mafia for a while knows that this doesn't work.
the igu read is at least a bit more out there, but what does 'meta' even mean in his case.
still this isn't really a huge scum tell for him.
but if sucm is out there, they should be really inclined to sheep him. now I'm going in circles. I'm too tired to explain this cohseively.
include mail-me in that list. vote: mail-mi
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
Mhh...
but it only works if your reads aren't correct.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
Mhh...
but it only works if your reads aren't correct.
Well yes. But putting my reads out there has helped others contribute
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
Mhh...
but it only works if your reads aren't correct.
Well yes. But putting my reads out there has helped others contribute
I think now we're talking past each other.
What I mean is that finding others scummy only makes sense if you assume your reads to be false, which is odd, because why would you assume your reads to be false? But you immediately agreed with me when I said that sheeping you is scummy.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
Mhh...
but it only works if your reads aren't correct.
Well yes. But putting my reads out there has helped others contribute
I think now we're talking past each other.
What I mean is that finding others scummy only makes sense if you assume your reads to be false, which is odd, because why would you assume your reads to be false? But you immediately agreed with me when I said that sheeping you is scummy.
I don't need to assume my reads are false, just assume that they could be faulty.
I think right now the scummiest thing to do is to sheep gkrieg, and that's primarily true for not!noob players. Let me see who is doing that.
I agree with you here.
Wat.
I'm doing a lot of work and if I'm wrong about who scum is, I'm the easiest person to sheep into a bad case. That is why I unvoted on chairs.
Mhh...
but it only works if your reads aren't correct.
Well yes. But putting my reads out there has helped others contribute
I think now we're talking past each other.
What I mean is that finding others scummy only makes sense if you assume your reads to be false, which is odd, because why would you assume your reads to be false? But you immediately agreed with me when I said that sheeping you is scummy.
I don't need to assume my reads are false, just assume that they could be faulty.
... ??? ...
Where is the difference?
hmm not really
diedre is copying his reads but he is pretty new. it could be legit.
SA is going in a pretty different direction. I think that's a non-partner tell.
for now I'd say we should lynch in {diedre, gkrieg}.
Gkrieg has been questioning everything this game. I don't recall him doing that normally
Gkrieg has been questioning everything this game. I don't recall him doing that normally
What do you mean taking the lead?Gkrieg has been questioning everything this game. I don't recall him doing that normally
Well I also don't usually take the lead as either alignment unless no one else is. Look at asherskys blitz mafia. I think I took the lead there and was town.
diedre lynch needs to happen I think. I will be reborn through the blood of a virgin. That doesn't really make sense but... <)^...?
for the tunnel or for the joke?yes.
What do you mean taking the lead?Gkrieg has been questioning everything this game. I don't recall him doing that normally
Well I also don't usually take the lead as either alignment unless no one else is. Look at asherskys blitz mafia. I think I took the lead there and was town.
I like the chairs wagon and the silver wagons. Townie people are on those two
so back to gkrieg himself...
the problem is that his reads are so basic. chairs is scummy because he put town at L-1. I'm scummy because I'm weird and not as active. diedre is kind of scummy because he's kind of lurky. etc.
everyone who's played mafia for a while knows that this doesn't work.
the igu read is at least a bit more out there, but what does 'meta' even mean in his case.
still this isn't really a huge scum tell for him.
but if sucm is out there, they should be really inclined to sheep him. now I'm going in circles. I'm too tired to explain this cohseively.
include mail-me in that list. vote: mail-mi
but do you actually think he's scummy?
I like the chairs wagon and the silver wagons. Townie people are on those two
Besides you, there are {iguana, calamitas, diedre, mail-mi} on those wagons.
those are towny players? Are you for real?
There are probably both scum among them.
I like the chairs wagon and the silver wagons. Townie people are on those two
Besides you, there are {iguana, calamitas, diedre, mail-mi} on those wagons.
those are towny players? Are you for real?
There are probably both scum among them.
How are calamitas or iguana scummy?
I suppose I should also react and actually vote! Not expecting a sudden townread from Silver after I explained my thinking in my previous post, but I think that vote: diedre makes sense anyway.Don't like that first sentence, feels very forced. vote: SA
I suppose I should also react and actually vote! Not expecting a sudden townread from Silver after I explained my thinking in my previous post, but I think that vote: diedre makes sense anyway.Don't like that first sentence, feels very forced. vote: SA
I suppose I should also react and actually vote! Not expecting a sudden townread from Silver after I explained my thinking in my previous post, but I think that vote: diedre makes sense anyway.Don't like that first sentence, feels very forced. vote: SA
Totally agree with this.
vote: SA
I suppose I should also react and actually vote! Not expecting a sudden townread from Silver after I explained my thinking in my previous post, but I think that vote: diedre makes sense anyway.Don't like that first sentence, feels very forced. vote: SA
Totally agree with this.
vote: SA
I do too... huh...
It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
Good to see silver is back at a level where I don't understand his actions at all.
confirm vote: chairs
Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
Chairs would look towny to me as well if there hadn't been that traitor comment in #259. Especially since he didn't explain himself.Good to see silver is back at a level where I don't understand his actions at all.
See, for once I felt like I kind of got where he might be coming from! So now I'm probably going to die for reading far too much into nothing :-(confirm vote: chairs
On the off-chance I did follow things through right, then not only does Chairs come out looking very townie, but so does the whole gkrieg/Mail-mi axis.
Can we have some comments on the current wagons from people who've been quiet a while, like RR and Iguana?
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I meant it! The theme is nice (thanks Haddock) but I did not appreciated the game itself.
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I meant it! The theme is nice (thanks Haddock) but I did not appreciated the game itself.
...and my scum read on you just shot waaaay up.
I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
Okay then!
Unvote
Now the question is this: why is Silver on the diedre wagon, following RR there for no good reason, and not even asking RR to justify it? He didn't even push gkrieg to follow up his question to RR in spite of their public butting of heads. This is my noob question I didn't want to push earlier, but it seems safe now. I assumed a bunch of stuff about Silver's townie motivations and reasoned from there, but there's clearly a bug in that logic somewhere...
Aaaand now I have to go offline till ~7pm forum time.
The sad thing is that I don't know if the last sentence is sarcasm or not?I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
Okay then!
Unvote
Now the question is this: why is Silver on the diedre wagon, following RR there for no good reason, and not even asking RR to justify it? He didn't even push gkrieg to follow up his question to RR in spite of their public butting of heads. This is my noob question I didn't want to push earlier, but it seems safe now. I assumed a bunch of stuff about Silver's townie motivations and reasoned from there, but there's clearly a bug in that logic somewhere...
Aaaand now I have to go offline till ~7pm forum time.
You can be assured that I think deeply about every choice I make this game and not just casually pop in and post what comes to mind. At all. Really.
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I meant it! The theme is nice (thanks Haddock) but I did not appreciated the game itself.
...and my scum read on you just shot waaaay up.
Really? I thought it was townie
the game is different from RL mafia. I think the two are enjoyed by different groups of people. THe little experience that I have suggests that people who come from RL mafia aren't likely to stay in forum mafia, and I don't think I'd care for the game IRL.It was townie-ish until he said "I mean it!!" Seems to me like he expressed this frustration in the scum Qt and got told to say it in thread because it would be townie, and is now playing it up too much.
I'm not sure what this flailing suggests about diedre's alignment. The kind of thing he's doing isn't unseen as a scum tactic. But even so, I'm inclined to townread him for it. If he was scum, I think he'd rather have faked frustration that's more directly related to this game, not forum mafia. And it doesn't feel like he's mad about us being so good at the game (for having found him early), it feels more like, we scumread him even though he's town, and he thinks "wtf forum mafia doesn't work"; even though that of course happens all the time.
soyeah unvote
I think I could go back to vote: mail-mi after all for being pretty opportunistic
I just figured out... Mafia games are not for me. You are trying to fing clues that does not exist!!
These games were made to play IRL!
"If you do not post much, you are scum." Come on!
People are trying to lynch me for no reason at all! I do not have the entire day to read/writing posts!
How could I explain myself?! I already did, but people turned theirs votes on me.
I am sorry... Maybe I am just bored. I am like teamlyle now.It's fine :) I really don't care anymore
I meant it! The theme is nice (thanks Haddock) but I did not appreciated the game itself.
...and my scum read on you just shot waaaay up.
Really? I thought it was towniethe game is different from RL mafia. I think the two are enjoyed by different groups of people. THe little experience that I have suggests that people who come from RL mafia aren't likely to stay in forum mafia, and I don't think I'd care for the game IRL.It was townie-ish until he said "I mean it!!" Seems to me like he expressed this frustration in the scum Qt and got told to say it in thread because it would be townie, and is now playing it up too much.
I'm not sure what this flailing suggests about diedre's alignment. The kind of thing he's doing isn't unseen as a scum tactic. But even so, I'm inclined to townread him for it. If he was scum, I think he'd rather have faked frustration that's more directly related to this game, not forum mafia. And it doesn't feel like he's mad about us being so good at the game (for having found him early), it feels more like, we scumread him even though he's town, and he thinks "wtf forum mafia doesn't work"; even though that of course happens all the time.
soyeah unvote
For the record, I like both kinds of Mafia.I think I could go back to vote: mail-mi after all for being pretty opportunistic
Really? I had just one real scum read (chairs) until like, this page.
I'm a tracker and tracked silverspawn. He targeted Seprix. Based on his play this day I believe he's probably our serial killer. Driving home from Colorado, on my phone. More tomorrow when I get home.Hold on
I'm a tracker and tracked silverspawn. He targeted Seprix. Based on his play this day I believe he's probably our serial killer. Driving home from Colorado, on my phone. More tomorrow when I get home.
Close enough. Vote: SilverspawnIt fits to the day1 flavor post "might there be a killer in their midst"
I trust Iguanaiguana even if a SK doesn't make sense thematically
What is your flavor name? State it ASAP
Unvote I feel super guilty using extra information to dictate my vote but I happen to have extra information that is dictating my vote.
It wasn't a modslip though! 'Slip' implies that the mod wouldn't repeat what he said to me.Unvote I feel super guilty using extra information to dictate my vote but I happen to have extra information that is dictating my vote.
#modslip?
don't feel guilty. If a mod messes up, he can give compensatino to the other team or something. Not your problem to worry about.
@silver, where did I imply that a delayed doctor was useful for an IC?
Really you thought Seprix was townie?
Ugh Silverspawn that's not a slip
I'm confused about a lot of things.
RR? What are you even saying? Do you know someone's flavor name? Because no one else knows their flavor claims.
And why is like everyone claiming? I don't like that too much. SK is not super likely here I don't think. Especially with the traitor.
From what RR is saying, he must have information that proves the existence of a delayed doctor? So I guess I would go with iguana and silver are IC for now?I wouldn't actually go that far to make them (almost) confirmed town since I have (IMO justified) doubts about the credibility of roads information (see post above). What do you think about that, do you actually believe RR?
I still like my vote on SA, but would also be happy to vote for chairs.
From what RR is saying, he must have information that proves the existence of a delayed doctor? So I guess I would go with iguana and silver are IC for now?I wouldn't actually go that far to make them (almost) confirmed town since I have (IMO justified) doubts about the credibility of roads information (see post above). What do you think about that, do you actually believe RR?
I still like my vote on SA, but would also be happy to vote for chairs.
Okay, so I guess I've been barking up the wrong tree. Possibly a tree in the wrong forest, on the wrong planet.
RR at #301 votes diedre, after indicating that he'd had some knowledge about Seprix's scummyness at the end of D1. Gkrieg immediately asked "why diedre"? in #302, but that question is never directly addressed again by either RR or Silver.
Now, Silver suddenly says at #380 that a diedre lynch needs to happen, though at that point only RR and Mail-mi are on him. Mail-mi at #381 questions Silver's insistence on the diedre lynch, and again, no explanation is forthcoming. Silver suddenly flips onto the wagon at #392.
At this point my reasoning is that the only good reason not to even ask about the motive is that someone (RR) has signalled hidden info, which Silver is confident enough about to vote on, but doesn't want questioned openly. So, assuming that Silver and gkrieg have had their little joust and sized each other up as likely town, I trust that there's a good reason for diedre to be scum, so I vote, apparently looking horribly scummy and forced in the process. Not my intention, obviously!
I came to the conclusion that one of the following statements would hold:
a) the make-it-look-like-there's-hidden-info thing was something RR made up with a scumbuddy (like Silver).
b) there really is reason to suspect diedre of being scum.
c) Silver's vote and certainty made very little sense in a really suspicious way.
That was why I was fishing from input from RR, or some gauge of his confidence in the diedre lynch. I didn't want to single RR out too obviously, hence mentioning Iguana too.
I suppose I should also react and actually vote!This is one of the main reasons I'm voting for you, SA. It's very much a "Look at me guys, I'm participating now! Aren't I so townie?" statement, and that is scummy.
On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
Productive game. Top scum reads are teamlyle and diedre91.
Why? Teamyle seems to have been just doing some RVS, and diedre is reacting pretty fairly to everyone piling on him like he's a crook. Newer people reacting to pressure are not by necessity scum.
Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
I suppose I should also react and actually vote!This is one of the main reasons I'm voting for you, SA. It's very much a "Look at me guys, I'm participating now! Aren't I so townie?" statement, and that is scummy.
Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
I suppose I should also react and actually vote!This is one of the main reasons I'm voting for you, SA. It's very much a "Look at me guys, I'm participating now! Aren't I so townie?" statement, and that is scummy.
Someone recently said that voting is the best reaction; I thought it was in this game, but sadly on checking I've found it wasn't. I'm mostly nervous about voting for people in here when there's all that hidden vote mess from before. This is especially true where I don't understand the full case against the person, only my logic as to why I though there was a case against them.. so hopefully you can see where my hesitation came from.
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
No, all that reasoning was from before RR even said anything about his extra information. I'd just assumed earlier that Silver's reason for not even asking RR for an argument on diedre was that he must have believed RR had extra information.
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
No, all that reasoning was from before RR even said anything about his extra information. I'd just assumed earlier that Silver's reason for not even asking RR for an argument on diedre was that he must have believed RR had extra information.
To clarify, RR came right into D2 wanting to lynch a player who by that point was known scum. Then he changed immediately to a player nobody had been saying anything much about, and just sat there on that vote and didn't answer your question about why. And then when Silver joined the wagon also without comment, I assumed it was one of those things that newbies aren't meant to draw attention to because there might be soft information I'm not supposed to push on.
Seriously, this is all I have! I'm a VT with nothing to go on but conspiracy theories, and if you focus your attention on me then you're missing the real scums. I have no other argument left to convince you :-(
I'm a VTwhyyyyyyyyyyyyy
?I'm a VTwhyyyyyyyyyyyyy
?I'm a VTwhyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
No, all that reasoning was from before RR even said anything about his extra information. I'd just assumed earlier that Silver's reason for not even asking RR for an argument on diedre was that he must have believed RR had extra information.
To clarify, RR came right into D2 wanting to lynch a player who by that point was known scum. Then he changed immediately to a player nobody had been saying anything much about, and just sat there on that vote and didn't answer your question about why. And then when Silver joined the wagon also without comment, I assumed it was one of those things that newbies aren't meant to draw attention to because there might be soft information I'm not supposed to push on.
Seriously, this is all I have! I'm a VT with nothing to go on but conspiracy theories, and if you focus your attention on me then you're missing the real scums. I have no other argument left to convince you :-(
Can you point me to some quotes?
Also who do you think is scum at this point?
Vote: Seprix-- nobody else seems to have scum-read Seprix, and Silver even said he was the towniest read.
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
?I'm a VTwhyyyyyyyyyyyyy
You don't want to claim early, because then scum knows who not to shoot.
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
No, all that reasoning was from before RR even said anything about his extra information. I'd just assumed earlier that Silver's reason for not even asking RR for an argument on diedre was that he must have believed RR had extra information.
To clarify, RR came right into D2 wanting to lynch a player who by that point was known scum. Then he changed immediately to a player nobody had been saying anything much about, and just sat there on that vote and didn't answer your question about why. And then when Silver joined the wagon also without comment, I assumed it was one of those things that newbies aren't meant to draw attention to because there might be soft information I'm not supposed to push on.
Seriously, this is all I have! I'm a VT with nothing to go on but conspiracy theories, and if you focus your attention on me then you're missing the real scums. I have no other argument left to convince you :-(
Can you point me to some quotes?
Also who do you think is scum at this point?
I'll start with quotes. RR's entry to D2:Vote: Seprix-- nobody else seems to have scum-read Seprix, and Silver even said he was the towniest read.
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good
In post 301, he quotes one vague Seprix post, then switches somewhat out of the blue to voting diedre, and never responds to the question about why.
Re-reading, there was some shade thrown on diedre in D1 for reactions under pressure, and he was a little lurky, but he's a newbie, and I could feel where that would be coming from if he were town, so I didn't put a lot of weight on it in D1.
Out of interest, why didn't you push for more explanation of the diedre wagon at the time you and Silver were having your argument about people sheeping you?
There was a lot going on and I didn't notice it hadn't been answered. Like who you think is scummy
Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
Well if you read the first day, she was woefully wrong with her reads. So I feel an experienced player wouldn't kill her N1, unless they got an N0 action or something. She is an experienced, good player, so I can see someone new reading one of her games and thinking she would be a good kill.
Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
Well if you read the first day, she was woefully wrong with her reads. So I feel an experienced player wouldn't kill her N1, unless they got an N0 action or something. She is an experienced, good player, so I can see someone new reading one of her games and thinking she would be a good kill.
...are you suggesting I'm a new player?
(Also, in the one game where I got to call NKs, I was pretty spot on - but then, I was a vig that game, soooo)
From what RR is saying, he must have information that proves the existence of a delayed doctor? So I guess I would go with iguana and silver are IC for now?I wouldn't actually go that far to make them (almost) confirmed town since I have (IMO justified) doubts about the credibility of roads information (see post above). What do you think about that, do you actually believe RR?
I think your abc doesn't work for this situation because I think you are misinterpreting to what RR was referring to with his extra information that he doesn't feel he should have.
No, all that reasoning was from before RR even said anything about his extra information. I'd just assumed earlier that Silver's reason for not even asking RR for an argument on diedre was that he must have believed RR had extra information.
Wow everyone's talking about Roadrunner. I feel so specialWould one really say something like that if he feels actually guilt for using outside info?
I would! And I keep looking back on it and I'm lessand less sure it's outside information. It might've been small talk.Wow everyone's talking about Roadrunner. I feel so specialWould one really say something like that if he feels actually guilt for using outside info?
Vote: gkriegWhich specific posts did raise your suspicion?
The key is to read his posts assuming he's already confirmed scum, not confirmed town. I always read people giving them the benefit of the doubt but that might not be such a good idea.
I'm just going to quote them with a brief descriptionVote: gkriegWhich specific posts did raise your suspicion?
The key is to read his posts assuming he's already confirmed scum, not confirmed town. I always read people giving them the benefit of the doubt but that might not be such a good idea.
It's going to again, I can already tell. So we'll save the dramatic reveal for 4 or 5 hours, okay? It's not like anyone's awake, anyway
Now I'm at 20% battery. We're going down :(It's going to again, I can already tell. So we'll save the dramatic reveal for 4 or 5 hours, okay? It's not like anyone's awake, anyway
I'm awake, and interested! But I have to go to meetings soon... please post juicy stuff to get my through my day :-)
Slowly I get willing to vote for you :DNow I'm at 20% battery. We're going down :(It's going to again, I can already tell. So we'll save the dramatic reveal for 4 or 5 hours, okay? It's not like anyone's awake, anyway
I'm awake, and interested! But I have to go to meetings soon... please post juicy stuff to get my through my day :-)
I am voting for two people at once! I had no idea!I don't know what you're talking about. Surely you must be imagining things.
Vote: gkrieg
The key is to read his posts assuming he's already confirmed scum, not confirmed town. I always read people giving them the benefit of the doubt but that might not be such a good idea.
Most importantly, his fakeclaim relies on us believing that he thought he could get scum to shoot Seprix D2. Can I please remind everyone that Seprix is the player who gets mislynched as town in almost every town game he plays? Scum almost never shoots for him.
Most importantly, his fakeclaim relies on us believing that he thought he could get scum to shoot Seprix D2. Can I please remind everyone that Seprix is the player who gets mislynched as town in almost every town game he plays? Scum almost never shoots for him.
it's a delayed doctor. of course that plan is a long shot, but I had to try something.
I agree that the delayed doctor claim is somewhat original as far as fake claims go, but when you think about it, what else could he possibly claim?
Man, do you know how many times scum makes up things that the mod said? Even if the conversation was real, how do we know that it wasn't a conversation about silverspawn's fakeclaim?
which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.
which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.
Why should the vig claim?
Do you actually think, assuming that your claim is right (which I don't believe) that an actual vig (no X-shot) should claim and thereby present himself to scum in order to prevent the misslynch of a delayed doctor? Cannot estimate the value of a vig in relation to the damage of the misslynch of such a weak role (even though its silver), would need more experienced players to estimate that.which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.
Why should the vig claim?
to avoid my mislynch.
which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.
Why should the vig claim?
Do you actually think, assuming that your claim is right (which I don't believe) that an actual vig (no X-shot) should claim and thereby present himself to scum in order to prevent the misslynch of a delayed doctor? Cannot estimate the value of a vig in relation to the damage of the misslynch of such a weak role (even though its silver), would need more experienced players to estimate that.which I don't think coexists with a traitor.
It has to, though, unless that vig claim is coming.
Why should the vig claim?
to avoid my mislynch.
I am not sure if iguana is right or not.
Here's a question silver: why did you Doctor Seprix, instead of EFHW? Didn't you say they were your top 2 townreads? EFHW is much more likely to be killed than Seprix as well.
there goes my biggest town read :o ;D
nicely done
Fine I shot Seprix. I'm a 1-shot vig
Fine I shot Seprix. I'm a 1-shot vig
1) awesome!
2) well done!
3) one-shot? There's even less trouble with this claim, then.
4) We can be IC buddies now!
I'm still not sure you're IC but I don't want to lynch you today
vote: ss.
gkrieg/ss scum team.
I'm actually going with iguana here. All odds point in favor of silver being the SK. It is just so unlikely that a pro-town PR killed Seprix (IMO he didn't seem scummy except you were actively scanning for a traitor). And if that PR would have got that Seprix is the traitor he/she/they might have just brought it up during the discussion and we might have used our lynch for it. Having silver killing him is just so much more likely than the combo of delayed-doc+vig targeting.
What I find kind of strange though is that silver has chosen Seprix as his target. As iguana said, Seprix is often misslynched and therefore an unattractive target for scum. That makes the delayed-doc+NK on Seprix much worse, but makes the choice of Seprix as victim not fine as well.
Either way, having Silver as SK is the much more likely option by now, even though rr claimed there is "secret info" and the target is a strange choice.
vote: silver
I'm very tempted by the Silver wagon, but I think I'd rather wait till RR is back and able to tell us a bit more, since he seemed to have information that Silver might be trustworthy. Also, hidden votes seem to be a thing, so L-1 might be bad.
'If you read the first day she was woefully wrong with her reads.'Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
Well if you read the first day, she was woefully wrong with her reads. So I feel an experienced player wouldn't kill her N1, unless they got an N0 action or something. She is an experienced, good player, so I can see someone new reading one of her games and thinking she would be a good kill.
What is Gkrieg doing?But for what motive should gkrieg make such a fake claim without necessity?
Let me think of a few scenarios
1. Silverspawn is town and gkrieg is doing some extreme white knighting. Scum either killed twice or know how Seprix died so scum gkrieg is confident with this fake claim
2. You know what? I'm not making this dum list. What type of ONE SHOT vig shoots night one? No way I'm buying that. Also let me get his scum slip
Also vote: gkrieg
He's an IC now because of it. Or he would be if he wouldn't of have a slipWhat is Gkrieg doing?But for what motive should gkrieg make such a fake claim without necessity?
Let me think of a few scenarios
1. Silverspawn is town and gkrieg is doing some extreme white knighting. Scum either killed twice or know how Seprix died so scum gkrieg is confident with this fake claim
2. You know what? I'm not making this dum list. What type of ONE SHOT vig shoots night one? No way I'm buying that. Also let me get his scum slip
Also vote: gkrieg
'If you read the first day she was woefully wrong with her reads.'Also I'm very confused how EFHW was the NK. I would guess more on the side of SA/chairs just because of that kill.Can you please elaborate on that?
Well if you read the first day, she was woefully wrong with her reads. So I feel an experienced player wouldn't kill her N1, unless they got an N0 action or something. She is an experienced, good player, so I can see someone new reading one of her games and thinking she would be a good kill.
Just being wrong about Seprix is not being woefully wrong. Gkrieg must know that she was wrong about other players as well. Gkrieg wouldn't have said 'woefully wrong' if it was just Seprix.
I'm not buying the joking angle, and I think the comment does reveal he is not in a town mindset. Vote: TeamlyleLast game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
Teamyle, what are your experiences with Mafia?
None besides the 2 games that I played. I really want my reads to be better this game, and I was joking because I thought we were still in RVS.
What is Gkrieg doing?
Let me think of a few scenarios
1. Silverspawn is town and gkrieg is doing some extreme white knighting. Scum either killed twice or know how Seprix died so scum gkrieg is confident with this fake claim
2. You know what? I'm not making this dum list. What type of ONE SHOT vig shoots night one? No way I'm buying that. Also let me get his scum slip
Also vote: gkrieg
Vote Count 1.3
Where's your mommy?
Dead. Where's yours?
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkrieg
teamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs (L-1)
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: 6pm, 30 August.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done any more.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkriegteamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
teamlyle has been lynched! With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
I reread and she didn't even really talk about Seprix. So 'woefully off' is still one person. She was wrong about one person.
And how do you feel about my 'you're a one shot vig' argument?
Seprix is recorded as 'not voting'
Seprix can't secret vote, he can only double vote
I thought it was obvious. In the setup, there is both a double voter (the recently deceased Seprix) and a secret voter (not Seprix).Seprix can't secret vote, he can only double vote
So he double voted on not voting and teamlyle died?
Or is this a scumslip from you?
Like what do you think happened at the end of D1?
Well, let's take silver off the lynch table for today.
Silver, why the sudden Calamitas scum read? I thought his response to iguana was pretty null, only a little bit scummy if anything. Do you have a case?
and it doesn't fit the flavor and you won't have a SK and a traitor in a normal gameThat's a laughable argument
and it doesn't fit the flavor and you won't have a SK and a traitor in a normal gameThat's a laughable argument
So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
Real life Mafia is actually so much worse than non-real life Mafia.
There's a game where the only setup is 1 Cop, 11 VTs and 2 Mafia Goons and it's considered balanced. So forum mafia is actually easier
Ppe 2
I know you guys are in another discussion right...I played earlier this month! Maybe with a group who you know really well it would be easier. I was playing with almost strangersReal life Mafia is actually so much worse than non-real life Mafia.
There's a game where the only setup is 1 Cop, 11 VTs and 2 Mafia Goons and it's considered balanced. So forum mafia is actually easier
Ppe 2
I do not agree with that. IRL you see people's faces and expressions. It is a lot different.
But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
Oh man I get that. But that means Calamitas is a secret voter!But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
We're going in circles. How do you believe teamlyle got lynched with only 6 on his wagon?
Oh man I get that. But that means Calamitas is a secret voter!But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
We're going in circles. How do you believe teamlyle got lynched with only 6 on his wagon?
Calamitas is a secret voter!
No you're cool. Do you think I'm scum?Oh man I get that. But that means Calamitas is a secret voter!But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
We're going in circles. How do you believe teamlyle got lynched with only 6 on his wagon?
Calamitas is a secret voter!
I may never understand you...
Do you still think I'm scum?
No you're cool. Do you think I'm scum?Oh man I get that. But that means Calamitas is a secret voter!But he wasn't even on the Teamlyle wagon!So gkrieg: Why did you kill Seprix?
Ugh. I explained that above
We're going in circles. How do you believe teamlyle got lynched with only 6 on his wagon?
Calamitas is a secret voter!
I may never understand you...
Do you still think I'm scum?
Anyway, where is Calamitas? We need a word!
I'm very tempted by the Silver wagon, but I think I'd rather wait till RR is back and able to tell us a bit more, since he seemed to have information that Silver might be trustworthy. Also, hidden votes seem to be a thing, so L-1 might be bad.
What at all tempts you to get on a silver wagon?
vote: Calamitas
I do consider swearing about the game to be overreacting.
I do consider swearing about the game to be overreacting.
F#$K this game, being an IC is boring. I'm used to having at the very least 3 votes on me all game long.
Unvote
I dunno know who to vote for. Probably I'll sheep silver after he does his case.
I do consider swearing about the game to be overreacting.
F#$K this game, being an IC is boring. I'm used to having at the very least 3 votes on me all game long.
Unvote
I dunno know who to vote for. Probably I'll sheep silver after he does his case.
vote: iguana for overreacting!
vote: SA
I guess I could be convinced on Calamitas, though I'd prefer SA or chairs, maybe diedre.
SA is right on about the "secret voter." It was Seprix.
Gkreig is town. So are SS and iguana. Still think SA and chairs are scummy.
Btw, I do consider swearing about the game to be overreacting. That's why I said chairs was overreacting. SA is definitely overreacting to his wagon, but in a different way. A scummier way.
I don't like killing the adorable little SpaceAnemone creature. I'm fine with ripping the Chairs apart though.
I don't like killing the adorable little SpaceAnemone creature. I'm fine with ripping the Chairs apart though.
Wanna put those feelings behind a vote?
Last game I wasn't really that relevant because my reads weren't that good. This game I'm hoping to help town more if I'm town, and help scum more if I'm scum.
I don't think there is too much behind teamlyles comment. He must have known that a comment like that would stand out and probably didn't think it through before making that comment.
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?that part looks actually akward...Still not sure who to vote for, for now I think teamlyle and silver are the most suspicious ones in here. However, silver is playing ridiculous all the time, no idea what to make of that. Therefore unvote , but that doesn't mean I think either of them is innocent.
Vote Count 1.2
Why can’t we use the starboard launch?
It’s a gift shop now.
Frak me.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkrieg
teamlyle (5): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana (L-2)
Not Voting (4): chairs, Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: 6pm, 30 August.
vote: teamlyle.Haven't you already voted on him?
I am pretty confident that is L-1 plz no derphammerPlease take it back, otherwise it is just to risky. Not that I wouldn't think it is a legit lynch, but ending the day so early would be just ridiculous (Please correct me if I am wrong with my assumption that the day ends prematurely if the lynch happens that early).
What did just happened???
Does mafia get to know who the traitor is? Or if there is a traitor?
Good to see silver is back at a level where I don't understand his actions at all. He is too experienced to unintentionally be that flip-floppy but I cannot see which kind of reactions he wants to provoke. Space's post might be actually kind of a scumslip but I think carelessness is the likelier option here. I cannot speak for others but I find I still don't like chairs post about the traitor. The double-voting part of the case about him is almost neglicable, but the traitor part might be an actual scumslip. The option he is neglecting by assumption is even the standard version at mafiascum.net (don't know if it is handled differnetly here). Therefore, confirm vote: chairs . I don't like diedres inactivity either but I am not sure if it is scummy inactivity or just lack of time. Pretty much nullread on the rest, have to re-read them and will write about them when I get some time later.
Anyway, I'm very interested in iguanas announced statement about silver.
Okay, now I finally have some time.
First of all, I believe iguana and think that his statement is true. He seems genuine and I don't expect him to fake all thst. However, I wonder why he didn't tell us the whole story from the start (I assume he wanted to gather more data about Silver). The rest is more strange.
Silver's explanation might or might not be true, cannot estimate that guy (Its plausible either way). Roadrunners ambigous post is just weird IMO. He sais on the one hand that he got some info he shouldn't have and sais later it is not a modslip since it has been some kind of intentional. But i am pretty sure Haddock wouldn't be so careless, doesn't fit to the image i have gotten from him via general opinion and space Anemone's post.
Additionally, he sais that he feels sorry for using that info but is actually claiming silver's innocence by claiming he has info he shouldn't have. I find that very weird and almost suspicious.
Anyway, I certainly don't want us to rely solely on such a weird post without any evidence in the case of silvers innocence. However, I'm not sure if claiming of the PR that might be the reason for the kill on Seprix (if silver is actually innocent) is the right way since that PR might be very powerful and sacrificing that role in order to safe an delayed doctor might not be worth it. Should have more opinions from other vets before that person (if there is one) actually decides to claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep
I fear nothing and need no protection.
Vote: Calamitas
Vote: chairs
I really like this vote.
I was going to say 'if someone asks me why my head might explode.'Vote: chairs
I really like this vote.
Why? (I like it too, btw)
Diedre- He/she has to be town. Reluctant town? Maybe. But town.
Gkrieg- The evidence is for gkrieg being aligned with the town.
Silverspawn: See gkrieg
Roadrunner: Town
Iguanaiguana: Town
Calamitas- lynchpool
Mail-mi- lynchpool
Chairs- lynchpool
SA: lynchpool
The rest of this case is driven by a narrative. The narrative is 'careful, avoiding everything that looks opportunistic, trying really hard to look towny."And that narrative is what is the problem with the case. Replace it witn "town player who wants to avoid making mistakes to avoid getting misslynched" and all looks totally different. With either 'narrative', the rest is pure confirmation bias.
"town player who wants to avoid making mistakes to avoid getting misslynched"
"town player who wants to avoid making mistakes to avoid getting misslynched"
The problem with that is that then your scum and town play is identical.
But supernatural forces lead me to believe that you don't actively want to avoid being mislynched so persistently as town.
And you missed parts. You are too informed.
I can't help you with sentence #2.Was meaning paragraph 3, I know that I cannot respond to p2 in an approriate manner.
Sentence 3 was meant to say that I also accuse you of making your reads from a point of information. It feels like you already know everyone's alignment.
you're too laid-back, controlled. townies are tapping around in the darkness. where is the darkness around you?The controlled part is definitely intentional, the 'laid-back and not-tapping in darkness' part I cannot comment on since I don't see where you get that from.
you're too laid-back, controlled. townies are tapping around in the darkness. where is the darkness around you?The controlled part is definitely intentional, the 'laid-back and not-tapping in darkness' part I cannot comment on since I don't see where you get that from.
Anyway, I certainly don't like that this game is moving towards a two player interrogation. What do the others think about silvers read on me?
you're too laid-back, controlled. townies are tapping around in the darkness. where is the darkness around you?The controlled part is definitely intentional, the 'laid-back and not-tapping in darkness' part I cannot comment on since I don't see where you get that from.
Anyway, I certainly don't like that this game is moving towards a two player interrogation. What do the others think about silvers read on me?
um, are you really dead chairs?
um, are you really dead chairs?
I died laughing at igig.
um, are you really dead chairs?
um, are you really dead chairs?
silver is spot on, so I am sheeping him. To explain this, I got a picture of "Spot on" a treatment used on sheep. This caused chairs to die laughing, so he is indeed dead, although not by lynching, by laughter. So we may not get a flip for him.
um, are you really dead chairs?
silver is spot on, so I am sheeping him. To explain this, I got a picture of "Spot on" a treatment used on sheep. This caused chairs to die laughing, so he is indeed dead, although not by lynching, by laughter. So we may not get a flip for him.
I got that. didn't know if yours was a derp hammer or not. it's not.
um, are you really dead chairs?
silver is spot on, so I am sheeping him. To explain this, I got a picture of "Spot on" a treatment used on sheep. This caused chairs to die laughing, so he is indeed dead, although not by lynching, by laughter. So we may not get a flip for him.
I got that. didn't know if yours was a derp hammer or not. it's not.
I'm voting for... Calamitas?
Vote Count 2.7
Lighten up a little bit. It's only the end of the world.
chairs (2): diedre, RR
silver (1): Calamitas
SA (2): mail-mi, gkrieg
Calamitas (3): silver, iguana, Calamitas (L-2)
Not Voting (1): SA
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: 7pm, 3 September. That's in just over 3 days.
Jeepers. Apparently I need to sleep more. Thanks.Vote Count 2.7
Lighten up a little bit. It's only the end of the world.
chairs (2): diedre, RR
silver (1): Calamitas
SA (2): mail-mi, gkrieg
Calamitas (3): silver, iguana, Calamitas (L-2)
Not Voting (1): SA
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline: 7pm, 3 September. That's in just over 3 days.
I think this should be chairs
I s'pose if nobody else is seeing the gkrieg/ss scumteam, I could vote: SpaceAnemone
unvote SA just townslipped hard.Where?
1. Town PR with NK has got the traitor hint. But they could have outed their doubts on Day 1. Of course, mafia could have killed Seprix and the PR efhw but I don't see any reason for a town PR to kill efhw. He wasn't really scummy at all.The first assumption is off, because we know gkrieg only formed his suspicions in twilight after it was too late to do anything about it in the lynch. But if we trust gkrieg, then we know that it was EFHW who was the scum NK.. and if Calamitas is scum, would he be anywhere near as likely to misgender her, given that presumably these kills are discussed in faction chat? This only holds if his supposed scumbuddy is not diedre, but that covers a lot of cases, so I feel it's worth a mention.
If they were both to be scum, with one killing each of the NKs, why pick that particular pair to kill, especially with Seprix being under suspicion for being one of the few people posting when the hidden vote came in. I mean, I guess it's not totally unimaginable that as a pair of experienced scums, they'd decide to kill the traitor just to mess with town and finesse things a bit, but that seems a stretch.
Other random thoughts: If there's an SK too, then we'd presumably have to have some super-duper PRs to help us out. Worth bearing in mind if more useful town info comes out, I guess. Is multiple factions of traitors ever a thing? Like could gkrieg be a one-shot vig traitor who can't win if the other traitor is alive? Cylon in-fighting would certainly fit with flavour. That doesn't gel with Silver being the one who Iguana tracked to Seprix, though.
So yeah, much as I'd like to see that, I think for now Gkrieg and Silver are untouchable, as is Iguana. I encourage anyone who's not Gkrieg or Silver to propose more ways in which the game roles might not be what they've been driving us to think they are, though, just in case there's something less implausible that I'm missing.
If they were both to be scum, with one killing each of the NKs, why pick that particular pair to kill, especially with Seprix being under suspicion for being one of the few people posting when the hidden vote came in. I mean, I guess it's not totally unimaginable that as a pair of experienced scums, they'd decide to kill the traitor just to mess with town and finesse things a bit, but that seems a stretch.
Other random thoughts: If there's an SK too, then we'd presumably have to have some super-duper PRs to help us out. Worth bearing in mind if more useful town info comes out, I guess. Is multiple factions of traitors ever a thing? Like could gkrieg be a one-shot vig traitor who can't win if the other traitor is alive? Cylon in-fighting would certainly fit with flavour. That doesn't gel with Silver being the one who Iguana tracked to Seprix, though.
So yeah, much as I'd like to see that, I think for now Gkrieg and Silver are untouchable, as is Iguana. I encourage anyone who's not Gkrieg or Silver to propose more ways in which the game roles might not be what they've been driving us to think they are, though, just in case there's something less implausible that I'm missing.
Townslip bolded.
If they were both to be scum, with one killing each of the NKs, why pick that particular pair to kill, especially with Seprix being under suspicion for being one of the few people posting when the hidden vote came in. I mean, I guess it's not totally unimaginable that as a pair of experienced scums, they'd decide to kill the traitor just to mess with town and finesse things a bit, but that seems a stretch.
Other random thoughts: If there's an SK too, then we'd presumably have to have some super-duper PRs to help us out. Worth bearing in mind if more useful town info comes out, I guess. Is multiple factions of traitors ever a thing? Like could gkrieg be a one-shot vig traitor who can't win if the other traitor is alive? Cylon in-fighting would certainly fit with flavour. That doesn't gel with Silver being the one who Iguana tracked to Seprix, though.
So yeah, much as I'd like to see that, I think for now Gkrieg and Silver are untouchable, as is Iguana. I encourage anyone who's not Gkrieg or Silver to propose more ways in which the game roles might not be what they've been driving us to think they are, though, just in case there's something less implausible that I'm missing.
Townslip bolded.
If he was scum, he would know that not mafia only has one night kill.
Though it also looks like he knows there's only two scum, when we don't know that for sure...
So I guess they kind of cancel out. I'll go back to vote: SA
Oh My Gosh, I Suck, don't I?If he was scum, he would know that not mafia only has one night kill.
Though it also looks like he knows there's only two scum, when we don't know that for sure...
So I guess they kind of cancel out. I'll go back to vote: SA
Wait, what? Can you re-word that to help me follow what your argument is even trying to say?
Also vote: mail-mi because now I really do start to see the whole opportunism argument made by Silver earlier.
My general feelings at the moment are:
Towns: Silver, Iguana, gkrieg, Calamitas
Nulls: diedre, RR (but I should give more scrutiny next time through)
Scummy: Mail-mi
SA is Town 100% of the time in this situation.
Also, SA - you should probably make sure to put me on your reads list man.
Oh My Gosh, I Suck, don't I?If he was scum, he would know that not mafia only has one night kill.
Though it also looks like he knows there's only two scum, when we don't know that for sure...
So I guess they kind of cancel out. I'll go back to vote: SA
Wait, what? Can you re-word that to help me follow what your argument is even trying to say?
Also vote: mail-mi because now I really do start to see the whole opportunism argument made by Silver earlier.
My general feelings at the moment are:
Towns: Silver, Iguana, gkrieg, Calamitas
Nulls: diedre, RR (but I should give more scrutiny next time through)
Scummy: Mail-mi
Dude, i *just barely* pointed out a potential townslipped of yours. If I was just looking for mislynches, I would not have done that.
Are you saying there's absolutely no way of having two NKs by scum? The Vigilante page on mafiascum.net says it does happen, albeit rarely. And Haddock has already frustrated Chairs by including hidden votes (see Chairs' reaction in #349), so maybe it's worth considering the possibility there are other elements in here that are a little bit out of the ordinary and frustrating.
Here's a thought: chairs came in, posted a meme, and had an unproductive conversation with me.Oh, you think chairs is scum now? Good job Sherlock ;)
Posting just to post and say "I'm here!" Without actually posting anything of substance. Scummy.
Here's a thought: chairs came in, posted a meme, and had an unproductive conversation with me.Oh, you think chairs is scum now? Good job Sherlock ;)
Posting just to post and say "I'm here!" Without actually posting anything of substance. Scummy.
I thought that you had townslipped. Gkreig pointed out to me that it was probably just a newb slip, and I also saw that you spoke like there were only 2 scum, which only scum would know. So I decided to put my vote back on you.
I thought that you had townslipped. Gkreig pointed out to me that it was probably just a newb slip, and I also saw that you spoke like there were only 2 scum, which only scum would know. So I decided to put my vote back on you.
Okay, so "he" was meant to refer to me in your post? :-( I thought we'd just had that conversation...
SA WOULD LIKE TO USE "THEY" AS A PRONOUN PLEASE!
Also, show me where I assumed exactly two scums. I was responding to a theory about a two-person scum-team, so assuming at least two scums was kind of a prerequisite. Assuming one scum alone from the pair is a bit problematic, but I did go through that exercise in my head at least; I think if that's the case then it's more likely Silver (in cahoots with Igu maybe?) than gkrieg, but I don't have time right now to expand my reasoning on that from last night into a post before work.
I'm glad Calamitas is figuring out that 'Roadrunner is Roadrunner' already
I don't think there is too much behind teamlyles comment. He must have known that a comment like that would stand out and probably didn't think it through before making that comment.
I've got a good joke by the way. What is a billiard player's least favorite programming language?that part looks actually akward...Still not sure who to vote for, for now I think teamlyle and silver are the most suspicious ones in here. However, silver is playing ridiculous all the time, no idea what to make of that. Therefore unvote , but that doesn't mean I think either of them is innocent.
I am pretty confident that is L-1 plz no derphammerPlease take it back, otherwise it is just to risky. Not that I wouldn't think it is a legit lynch, but ending the day so early would be just ridiculous (Please correct me if I am wrong with my assumption that the day ends prematurely if the lynch happens that early).
Finally got some time off, vacation can get quite busy :D
My current reads/thoughts:
Rather scummy:
- Chairs: Weird comments about double voting; assumption about traitor that is not confirmed for town but for mafiaSeprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.Slightly scummy ones:
- Diedre: Pretty much non-existent
- Silver : Mainly the statement of iguana who doesn't seem scummy but not particular scummy either, have to wait for his eleboration
- mail-mi: Opening the case for teamlyle
Rather towny:
- Gkrieg: Very active, long and helpful posts. No signs pointing towards mafia by now
On iguana and rr I have pretty much a null-read, leaning more towards town in the case of ii and absolute null in the case of rr. But even the town of ii is more a feeling and I cannot give concret evidence.
Good to see silver is back at a level where I don't understand his actions at all. He is too experienced to unintentionally be that flip-floppy but I cannot see which kind of reactions he wants to provoke. Space's post might be actually kind of a scumslip but I think carelessness is the likelier option here. I cannot speak for others but I find I still don't like chairs post about the traitor. The double-voting part of the case about him is almost neglicable, but the traitor part might be an actual scumslip. The option he is neglecting by assumption is even the standard version at mafiascum.net (don't know if it is handled differnetly here). Therefore, confirm vote: chairs . I don't like diedres inactivity either but I am not sure if it is scummy inactivity or just lack of time. Pretty much nullread on the rest, have to re-read them and will write about them when I get some time later.
Anyway, I'm very interested in iguanas announced statement about silver.
I'm actually going with iguana here. All odds point in favor of silver being the SK. It is just so unlikely that a pro-town PR killed Seprix (IMO he didn't seem scummy except you were actively scanning for a traitor). And if that PR would have got that Seprix is the traitor he/she/they might have just brought it up during the discussion and we might have used our lynch for it. Having silver killing him is just so much more likely than the combo of delayed-doc+vig targeting.
What I find kind of strange though is that silver has chosen Seprix as his target. As iguana said, Seprix is often misslynched and therefore an unattractive target for scum. That makes the delayed-doc+NK on Seprix much worse, but makes the choice of Seprix as victim not fine as well.
Either way, having Silver as SK is the much more likely option by now, even though rr claimed there is "secret info" and the target is a strange choice.
vote: silver
Quote from: silverspawnThe rest of this case is driven by a narrative. The narrative is 'careful, avoiding everything that looks opportunistic, trying really hard to look towny."And that narrative is what is the problem with the case. Replace it witn "town player who wants to avoid making mistakes to avoid getting misslynched" and all looks totally different. With either 'narrative', the rest is pure confirmation bias.
The "trying to makr a long post" argument is just ridiculous, the reason for those posts was me beeing on vacation and not having that often time to write on some days. Therefore I was writing all my thoughts of the previously read posts quickly with my phone without proofreading or anything. Its basically just an sorted "Stream of consciousness" most of the times. You should be able to check that claim by comparing the total posts on days with these long posts to the number of posts on other days.
And in how far mafia knowledge could potentially help you at writing a reads list will remain a secret for me.
you're too laid-back, controlled. townies are tapping around in the darkness. where is the darkness around you?The controlled part is definitely intentional, the 'laid-back and not-tapping in darkness' part I cannot comment on since I don't see where you get that from.
Anyway, I certainly don't like that this game is moving towards a two player interrogation. What do the others think about silvers read on me?
Also, SA - you should probably make sure to put me on your reads list man.
Also, SA - you should probably make sure to put me on your reads list man.
Sorry! Wasn't intentional! If it makes you feel any better, Calamitas missed me off his reads list back in #317. It's like a tag game! You're it, so now you have to post reads again :-)
And yeah, I'm afraid you do seem really flip-floppy recently, even after you've said I seem towny. Of your 23 posts total (that includes your initial "in" post), numbers 3, 14, 17, 18 and 19 all involve a vote for a different person, usually with no more than a short sentence of explanation.
I think your "scumslip" from early on has a plausible but non-corroboratable narrative the way you tell it, so it's not a huge mass of evidence either way anyone spins it. Moreweighty is the fact that you only have 3 or 4 posts in the whole game have had substantial content... that's a way worse record than I have, and I've been accused of being absent and lurky.
So yeah, it adds up to a scummy read from me. I'll add you to my "would lynch" pile next to Mail-mi.
vote: chairs L-1!
can't we lynch Calamitas isntead?
Do not hammer before chairs can claim.
vote: chairs L-1!
You just defended him, then voted for him. Why?
Also, a chairs lynch is good with me. intent to hammer
can't we lynch Calamitas isntead?
Do not hammer before chairs can claim.
can't we lynch Calamitas isntead?
Do not hammer before chairs can claim.
What do you think of my counter case for Calamitas?
I thought you consider gkrieg to be an IC?can't we lynch Calamitas isntead?
Do not hammer before chairs can claim.
What do you think of my counter case for Calamitas?
mostly that it is discriminating towards you if Calamitas flips scum.
Seriously, though
gkrieg is an IC. No ifs or buts about it. Scum does not have two NKs. Voting for him is insane.
There is only one possible scenario where gkrieg is not town, which is him being a SK, and that doesn't make any sense because a SK has zero motivation to stop my lynch here - regardless of my alignment.
Sorry, forum downtime hit when I came on to catch up.
There's a lot here, but if I understand properly the basic argument that I haven't addressed is that I was signalling (when I put teamlyle at L-1) for the hidden vote. Is that an accurate description of the case on me?
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That is the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever heard. I said I was interested in playing out the L-1 vote because of the following reasons:
1) Teamlyle's post was basically "if I did it" levels of scummy to me.
2) I wanted to see if anybody on-wagon quickly dropped - since I thought teamlyle was scum, this could potentially have indicated a partner wanting to not bus D1.
I was actually pretty goddamn upset about finding out the vote counts were not reliable information as hidden votes are kind of Bastard material in my personal opinion (since it's basically mod lying), but such is life. It's not a death miller (if there's a death miller in this setup I swear I'm done with Mafia forever), so it's a bit arguable re: Bastard v Normal.
I haven't done an updated-for-D2 reads list, but I'm going to go ahead and quickly provide the reads list I made on D1:
Reads - D1, v1: (TT - T - N - S - SS)
1. silverspawn - T
2. SpaceAnemone - N
3. gkrieg - N
4. Roadrunner - S
5. Seprix - S
6. chairs - FREE SPACE
7. iguana - SS
8. mail-mi - T
9. EFHW - S
10. diedre91 - N
11. teamlyle - SS
12. Calamitas - S
Swearing from him is off - Also goes against the grain of his happy-go-lucky attitude in other posts and makes both attitudes seem forced.
I could use a prod too. It has been exactly 24 hours since my last post
As far as the swearing goes, well, chairs has never been as stressed out before as he has been this month - and that includes the times when his fiancee's been in the hospital :P
how about we don't lynch chairs and lynch calamitas instead?
how about we don't lynch chairs and lynch calamitas instead?
I don't know. The fact that he has stayed this long at L-1 should say something. What makes chairs so townie in your book? Like what is the town motivation behind his game?
Steal the hammer!
Steal the hammer!
Steal the hammer!
Steal the hammer!
Steal the hammer!
Steal the hammer!
You're gonna want to lynch me if he flips town though!
Probably too big a decision to make while phone-posting from the middle of a business meeting :-P
Unvote
What's going on?
Unvote
What's going on?
AA was pretty scummy with their last post
You always take a 50/50 chance. Those are fantastic odds
You always take a 50/50 chance. Those are fantastic odds
Okay, but it's a 50% chance of one scum, and a 50% chance of 1.75 towns. So it's a bit like having a 36% chance of getting scum. Should I take that?
You always take a 50/50 chance. Those are fantastic odds
Okay, but it's a 50% chance of one scum, and a 50% chance of 1.75 towns. So it's a bit like having a 36% chance of getting scum. Should I take that?
Don't take it for granted that we will lynch you tomorrow if chairs is town. If you really are town and you play well, you will be able to find a way to stay alive.
Have a little faith in yourself. "I can't keep myself alive" is an absolutely terrible reason not to lynch someone.
Besides, I'm much more likely to lynch you tomorrow if chairs flips scum than if he flips town.
Besides, I'm much more likely to lynch you tomorrow if chairs flips scum than if he flips town.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
this looks bad.
Do not bother protecting me tonight. I have a strong role, scum won't be able to shoot me, and I don't need anyone's help to survive the night.
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You stole my hammer. :'(
I agree, the chance of having igu as scum-tracker (who apparently claimed D1) is almost neglectable.You stole my hammer. :'(
Yeah.. but you weren't around, and almost everyone seemed to be agreeing that chairs was shady :-(
I guess an upside to Silver's death is that it really confirms Iguana as IC too. Unless there's a way we could have a tracker who's scum-aligned. Could we? I'm assuming the probability is very low.
Silver said he considered gkrieg an IC too, and presumably also knew he was a likely night target, so probably wasn't lying about it.
The person I'd like to hear a lot more from today is diedre.
So for now I would go absolutely with both of them as ICs while it still might be worthy to look at them closer in the endgame.
So for now I would go absolutely with both of them as ICs while it still might be worthy to look at them closer in the endgame.
I'm sure we'll both be dead long before that!
In otherwordsnews, you didn't target anyone last night! I know because I tracked you.
I see no sense in hiding this result since I've already claimed.
Final Day 2 Vote Countchairs (5): diedre, Calamitas, gkrieg, iguana, SA
SA (2): mail-mi, chairs
Calamitas (1): silver
Not Voting (1): RR
chairs has been lynched! With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
I have never understood how the benefit of a mass claim outways the bad parts
Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
Forgot about that. I'll take him out. But I'm not in the diddidly dang lynchpool! I've been doing my 'bad town' thing!Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
You're in the lynchpool, and I am at least taking Calamitas out for today, because of the tracker result.
he's definitely not an IC but i think he's good to take out today.
Three mafia + a traitor makes more sense with my uber role than 2 mafia + a traitor. I'm going to assume we're at LyLo.
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)Gkrieg is basically an IC.
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)Gkrieg is basically an IC.
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
What are your reasons for me and RR beeing on that list?
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
The forum's been flaky for all of us, hence my delayed post from last night. You just have to keep trying :-)
Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
An IC is an 'innocent child' , someone who is confirmed town. Gkrieg claimed being the one responsible for Seprix death in N1 which makes it very likely that he he is town for various reasons.I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)Gkrieg is basically an IC.
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
What are your reasons for me and RR beeing on that list?
Could you explain a noob what is IC?
You are on my list because there is (at least) one scum players among those who voted on chairs.
I am not sure... I am just threatening to see your response.I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
The forum's been flaky for all of us, hence my delayed post from last night. You just have to keep trying :-)
Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
I have no idea that Mail-mi is.
I was you doubt about Gkrieg... being too active. Now I am more inclined to say he is scum.
Who is giving gkrieg the credit for killing Seprix? My vote worth the same as him.
Could you explain a noob what is IC?
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
I have no idea that Mail-mi is.
I was you doubt about Gkrieg... being too active. Now I am more inclined to say he is scum.
Who is giving gkrieg the credit for killing Seprix? My vote worth the same as him.
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)Gkrieg is basically an IC.
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
What are your reasons for me and RR beeing on that list?
Could you explain a noob what is IC?
You are on my list because there is (at least) one scum players among those who voted on chairs.
I am not sure... I am just threatening to see your response.I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
The forum's been flaky for all of us, hence my delayed post from last night. You just have to keep trying :-)
Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
I have no idea that Mail-mi is.
I was you doubt about Gkrieg... being too active. Now I am more inclined to say he is scum.
Who is giving gkrieg the credit for killing Seprix? My vote worth the same as him.
If scum kill a traitor, the traitor instead just converts to being full mafia. So it would be impossible for me to be scum. I'm either a vig or a SKI thought the default behavior is the traitor just dying?
If scum kill a traitor, the traitor instead just converts to being full mafia. So it would be impossible for me to be scum. I'm either a vig or a SKI thought the default behavior is the traitor just dying?
(http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines))
If scum kill a traitor, the traitor instead just converts to being full mafia. So it would be impossible for me to be scum. I'm either a vig or a SKI thought the default behavior is the traitor just dying?
(http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines))
I'll propose a claim order, then.
Diedre
Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone
Mail-mi
Calamitas
Gkrieg
Iguana
Must claim: PR or VT.
If PR, share what you think is best to share about your role. Probably, you should share any results that may make someone else more or less likely to be scum.
Don't share: Any info that will help scum kill us better, obviously.
We're not likely to get much from this, but we're not likely to lose much either.
Why am I so scummy? Look at what I did with chairs! That's terrible play from scum
If scum kill a traitor, the traitor instead just converts to being full mafia. So it would be impossible for me to be scum. I'm either a vig or a SKI thought the default behavior is the traitor just dying?
(http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines))
This seems like an irrelevant discussion.
Why am I so scummy? Look at what I did with chairs! That's terrible play from scum
Wait a second, so you're saying it's the wine in front of me? Clearly then it must be the wine in front of you!
If scum kill a traitor, the traitor instead just converts to being full mafia. So it would be impossible for me to be scum. I'm either a vig or a SKI thought the default behavior is the traitor just dying?
(http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor#Normal_Guidelines))
This seems like an irrelevant discussion.
Well people are trying to say that I could somehow be mafia and claim that I was responsible for the Seprix kill and I'm proving that it is impossible
I'll propose a claim order, then.
Diedre
Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone
Mail-mi
Calamitas
Gkrieg
Iguana
Must claim: PR or VT.
If PR, share what you think is best to share about your role. Probably, you should share any results that may make someone else more or less likely to be scum.
Don't share: Any info that will help scum kill us better, obviously.
We're not likely to get much from this, but we're not likely to lose much either.
Could you explain a noob what is IC?My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
I have no idea that Mail-mi is.
I was you doubt about Gkrieg... being too active. Now I am more inclined to say he is scum.
Who is giving gkrieg the credit for killing Seprix? My vote worth the same as him.
IC stands for Innocent Child. It's a role in forum mafia that basically lets someone prove they're definitely town. I haven't read any games where it's used to do that, but EFHW was one in this game till she was killed. More generally, people here just call someone IC when they're declared to be town beyond all reasonable doubt. Gkrieg is now in this position for this game.
The reason for his "IC" rating here is that he says he killed Seprix N1. Nobody on the town side believes that scum could make two night kills (NKs) in one night, so either that has to have come from a vigilante (which is usually a town role), or from a serial killer (SK, which is an independent non-town, non-mafia role). There is also an assumption that we couldn't possibly have scum plus traitor plus SK all at once because the game wouldn't be balanced. That may be something to re-visit given that Iguana has said he's got a really powerful town role, but even if that's the case, it doesn't make Gkrieg one of the mafia.
As for Mail-mi, if you're not sure about him, I think he belongs in your lynchpool at this stage, unless you have a good argument for not putting him there? Your readings on RR and Calamitas were really solidly town before, and yet they're now in your pool when Mail-mi isn't... I just find that quite hard to believe without some backing-up through posts and examples.
PR = power role, VT = Vanilla Townie.I'll propose a claim order, then.
Diedre
Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone
Mail-mi
Calamitas
Gkrieg
Iguana
Must claim: PR or VT.
If PR, share what you think is best to share about your role. Probably, you should share any results that may make someone else more or less likely to be scum.
Don't share: Any info that will help scum kill us better, obviously.
We're not likely to get much from this, but we're not likely to lose much either.
I need to know what is PR and VT first before claiming, right?
vote: diedre for delaying his claim. This is probably not as scummy as usual since it's only about softclaiming, but still...
PR = power role, VT = Vanilla Townie.I'll propose a claim order, then.
Diedre
Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone
Mail-mi
Calamitas
Gkrieg
Iguana
Must claim: PR or VT.
If PR, share what you think is best to share about your role. Probably, you should share any results that may make someone else more or less likely to be scum.
Don't share: Any info that will help scum kill us better, obviously.
We're not likely to get much from this, but we're not likely to lose much either.
I need to know what is PR and VT first before claiming, right?
You are supposed to claim whether you have a PR or not and share potentially helpful knowledge in the former case. If its pro-town to hide information you might have gathered by using your PR hide it, if it's helpful share it.
Could you explain a noob what is IC?My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.Anyway, which posts changed your read on Mail-mi to make him town?
Could you explain your theory behind lynching gkrieg, please? Is there a genuine plausible role combination in which he's still likely to be evil? My suggestion of traitor vig (or some other kind of scum vig) didn't seem to gain any traction. He's the only person taking credit for the Seprix kill, and Seprix was scum...
I have no idea that Mail-mi is.
I was you doubt about Gkrieg... being too active. Now I am more inclined to say he is scum.
Who is giving gkrieg the credit for killing Seprix? My vote worth the same as him.
IC stands for Innocent Child. It's a role in forum mafia that basically lets someone prove they're definitely town. I haven't read any games where it's used to do that, but EFHW was one in this game till she was killed. More generally, people here just call someone IC when they're declared to be town beyond all reasonable doubt. Gkrieg is now in this position for this game.
The reason for his "IC" rating here is that he says he killed Seprix N1. Nobody on the town side believes that scum could make two night kills (NKs) in one night, so either that has to have come from a vigilante (which is usually a town role), or from a serial killer (SK, which is an independent non-town, non-mafia role). There is also an assumption that we couldn't possibly have scum plus traitor plus SK all at once because the game wouldn't be balanced. That may be something to re-visit given that Iguana has said he's got a really powerful town role, but even if that's the case, it doesn't make Gkrieg one of the mafia.
As for Mail-mi, if you're not sure about him, I think he belongs in your lynchpool at this stage, unless you have a good argument for not putting him there? Your readings on RR and Calamitas were really solidly town before, and yet they're now in your pool when Mail-mi isn't... I just find that quite hard to believe without some backing-up through posts and examples.
I did not add mail-mi in my lynchpool because he did not vote on chairs.
Go go RRWhere are we going? Cause I'm very excited.
Ok space
I'm a 1-shot redirector. I used it last night, and I tried to make Calamitas target SA. They were both on my scum list, so I thought if they were a team, I could try to make scum kill scum. But, because of iguana's results, looks like Calamitas didn't do anything, so my action was petty useless. So I'm a VT now.
I'm a 1-shot redirector. I used it last night, and I tried to make Calamitas target SA. They were both on my scum list, so I thought if they were a team, I could try to make scum kill scum. But, because of iguana's results, looks like Calamitas didn't do anything, so my action was petty useless. So I'm a VT now.
I think if Calamitas was scum, he was maybe less likely to perform a killing action last night anyway, because he was the competing wagon to Chairs. I targeted him anyway mainly because deciding between you, Space and diedre and RR was too much of a crapshoot and I thought maybe he'd have some other targeting action. Seems like we both took the bait there (assuming you're telling the truth).
Anyway I'm curious about Calamitas' claim now. You two are already two more PRs than I expected.
I didn't get it either really, since I've never actually seen a town redirector.
I'm actually inclined to believe everyone. Iguana and you are obvious, and Calamitas seems genuine.
I didn't get it either really, since I've never actually seen a town redirector.
I'm actually inclined to believe everyone. Iguana and you are obvious, and Calamitas seems genuine.
So you say all the scum are in the VTs?
Actually mail-mi, could you redirect kills?
I'd like to re-read Space, Mail, Diedre and Roadrunner today before I decide who to vote. That will take a little time.Will probably do the same, unfortunately the massclaim didn't deliver much.
I don't buy mail-mi's claim at all. Just doesn't really fit, especially as we have 3 targeting PRs, it just doesn't seem like a redirector would be a good one at all. My guess is that the team is mail-mi/one of the VTs.I don't like it because he happened to target Calamitas, who had been confirmed as having no actions.
I don't buy mail-mi's claim at all. Just doesn't really fit, especially as we have 3 targeting PRs, it just doesn't seem like a redirector would be a good one at all. My guess is that the team is mail-mi/one of the VTs.I don't like it because he happened to target Calamitas, who had been confirmed as having no actions.
Saying he targeted Calamitas would've been a safe fake claim as he already knew Calamitas took no actionsI don't buy mail-mi's claim at all. Just doesn't really fit, especially as we have 3 targeting PRs, it just doesn't seem like a redirector would be a good one at all. My guess is that the team is mail-mi/one of the VTs.I don't like it because he happened to target Calamitas, who had been confirmed as having no actions.
I don't follow your logic there
I don't buy mail-mi's claim at all. Just doesn't really fit, especially as we have 3 targeting PRs, it just doesn't seem like a redirector would be a good one at all. My guess is that the team is mail-mi/one of the VTs.I don't like it because he happened to target Calamitas, who had been confirmed as having no actions.
I don't follow your logic there
Also the night kills have seemed like they are coming from newbies to me. I don't get why you kill silver last night. I was actually going to be ready to lynch him today, because I didn't really like his claim.
I think SA just has to be scum. They just seem so scummy.
What in particular do you two find scummy in the case of SA. He actually seemed rather towny on my re-read (except the drastic change of his behavior on D2 after he was criticized).Also the night kills have seemed like they are coming from newbies to me. I don't get why you kill silver last night. I was actually going to be ready to lynch him today, because I didn't really like his claim.
I think SA just has to be scum. They just seem so scummy.
I agree. Calamitas maaaaayy be scum, but he took no action last night, and his weird claim.
Diedre is another vt? He could be scum.
Of the vts, here's what I think:
SA
Diedre
RR
What in particular do you two find scummy in the case of SA. He actually seemed rather towny on my re-read (except the drastic change of his behavior on D2 after he was criticized).
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done any more.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkriegteamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
teamlyle has been lynched! With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Final Day 2 Vote Count
You'll forgive me, Madam President, if I don't wish to be executed based solely on your... gut feeling.chairs (5): diedre, Calamitas, gkrieg, iguana, SA
SA (2): mail-mi, chairs
Calamitas (1): silver
Not Voting (1): RR
chairs has been lynched! With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done any more.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkriegteamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
teamlyle has been lynched! With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.Final Day 2 Vote Count
You'll forgive me, Madam President, if I don't wish to be executed based solely on your... gut feeling.chairs (5): diedre, Calamitas, gkrieg, iguana, SA
SA (2): mail-mi, chairs
Calamitas (1): silver
Not Voting (1): RR
chairs has been lynched! With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
So on both wagons we have diedre, iguana, mail-mi
on chairs off teamlyle: Calamitas, me, SA.
off both: RR
Also the night kills have seemed like they are coming from newbies to me. I don't get why you kill silver last night. I was actually going to be ready to lynch him today, because I didn't really like his claim.
I think SA just has to be scum. They just seem so scummy.
I agree. Calamitas maaaaayy be scum, but he took no action last night, and his weird claim.
Diedre is another vt? He could be scum.
Of the vts, here's what I think:
SA
Diedre
RR
Sorry, sorry sorry SA, won't happen again.What in particular do you two find scummy in the case of SA. He actually seemed rather towny on my re-read (except the drastic change of his behavior on D2 after he was criticized).
SA isn't a "he", but a "they". Also what do you find townie about SA?
It is particularly that they changed their style of play so much on D2, which I found incredibly scummy.
So sorry again, writing without beeing fully concentrated is afwul and I actually didn't mean to insult you again.Sorry, sorry sorry SA, won't happen again.What in particular do you two find scummy in the case of SA. He actually seemed rather towny on my re-read (except the drastic change of his behavior on D2 after he was criticized).
SA isn't a "he", but a "they". Also what do you find townie about SA?
It is particularly that they changed their style of play so much on D2, which I found incredibly scummy.
The change pf behavior was absolutely scummy, no doubt about that. But I kind of felt that their explanation felt genuine and his consecutive behavior was consistent to that story. I wondered whether you have found something in the post-change behavior, because that part for itself felt towny for me.
I really want a top two lynch pool from SA, diedre, and Calamitas.
I really want a top two lynch pool from SA, diedre, and Calamitas.
Did you mean Mail-mi instead of Calamitas there? You had Mail-mi on your list above, and had said previously you wanted to take Calamitas off the table for today.
As it stands, if you think the whole scumteam is within that list, you're hypothesizing a fully newbie team. In my re-reads, I've been looking at interactions between pairs of people in my lynchpool (which is diedre, Mail-mi, Calamitas and RR, obviously), but I'm kind of down-weighting the prior on diedre-Calamitas because I feel like the mislynches have happened rather too well for a totally inexperienced scum team.
I really want a top two lynch pool from SA, diedre, and Calamitas.
Did you mean Mail-mi instead of Calamitas there? You had Mail-mi on your list above, and had said previously you wanted to take Calamitas off the table for today.
As it stands, if you think the whole scumteam is within that list, you're hypothesizing a fully newbie team. In my re-reads, I've been looking at interactions between pairs of people in my lynchpool (which is diedre, Mail-mi, Calamitas and RR, obviously), but I'm kind of down-weighting the prior on diedre-Calamitas because I feel like the mislynches have happened rather too well for a totally inexperienced scum team.
My top two lynch pool by now is {roadrunner, mail-mi}.
Roadrunner is mainly there because I don't remember anything helpful this game, however I haven't reread him yet. Mail-mi is there mainly due to PoE, for it's own he is a nullread (though I haven't reread him as well yet), but the second best choice right now IMO. Both, diedre and Space seem more towny than him by now.
My lynch preference list looks therefore like that:
- Roadrunner
- Diedre
- Space
I just feel like that his behavior seems more like town!newbie than scum!newbie in most posts he has made (which are unfortunately not that many).My top two lynch pool by now is {roadrunner, mail-mi}.
Roadrunner is mainly there because I don't remember anything helpful this game, however I haven't reread him yet. Mail-mi is there mainly due to PoE, for it's own he is a nullread (though I haven't reread him as well yet), but the second best choice right now IMO. Both, diedre and Space seem more towny than him by now.
My lynch preference list looks therefore like that:
- Roadrunner
- Diedre
- Space
What makes diedre townie?
I just think it would be strange if mail-mi and RR were partners in two games at the same time. Although it would be rather hilarious.Who are your top two?
I could definitely go for an RR lynch, because I don't remember too much from him, which is pretty scummy for him.
I just think it would be strange if mail-mi and RR were partners in two games at the same time. Although it would be rather hilarious.Who are your top two?
I could definitely go for an RR lynch, because I don't remember too much from him, which is pretty scummy for him.
I just think it would be strange if mail-mi and RR were partners in two games at the same time. Although it would be rather hilarious.Who are your top two?
I could definitely go for an RR lynch, because I don't remember too much from him, which is pretty scummy for him.
I'm going to wait for others to give their top 2 first.
RR it would be nice if you could tell us more about that information that you didn't want to use, unless Haddock told you that you aren't allowed.
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Mail-mi from Diedre
#338: mail-mi: no idea. Pretty confused about him.
#720: I have no idea that Mail-mi is [town]. (After my query of why mail-mi wasn't in his lynchpool).
Deidre from Mail-mi
#319: vote: diedre pressure vote. get on here and do stuff man!
#413: It's definitely different than irl Mafia. You have to look for different things. (response to diedre's melty post)
#415: "...and my scum read on you just shot waaaay up."
#426: Seems to me like he expressed this [] in the scum Qt and got told to say it in thread because it would be townie, and is now playing it up too much.
#565: vote: SA; I guess I could be convinced on Calamitas, though I'd prefer SA or chairs, maybe diedre
#741: If that's your lynchpool, then I should be in it, because I had intent to hammer.
#763: Diedre is another vt? He could be scum.
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RR from Diedre
#304: "You are wrong RR. Could you explain your vote, please?" -- setup for a disagreement?
#338: Long explanation of the fact that RR is town.
#377: Actual response to a thing RR said. Seems natural enough.
#551: Disagreeing with RR about real live vs forum mafia. Not driving the game forward at this point.
#591: Pronoun confirmation feels like a non-partner tell.
#717: RR is in Diedre's lynchpool because of the mislynch wagon on Chairs.
Diedre from RR
#301: Why diedre at #301? Especially after a really good (if it were real!) scumread on Seprix, leading me to think you could have some kind of cop role.
#409: "Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma". Too-obvious planned: D2 interaction?
#483: RR townreads diedre. Though when he unvotes there, I think he's just taking off his intervening Silver vote.
#546: By the way where'd diedre go?
#552: more about IRL games.
#587: Diedre- He/she has to be town. Reluctant town? Maybe. But town.
#712: Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
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Calamitas from Diedre
#338: Calamitas: Town. Pretty sure about this one.
#717: My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas. (because of the Chairs mislynch)
#720: Could you explain a noob what is IC?
#739: You cannot vote on me because "I delayed my claim". Better not saying a thing... (Odd response to Calamitas pressure-voting)
Diedre from Calamitas
#217: Since his role was colored red on the flip, he was mafia aligned.
#317: slightly scummy read: Pretty much non-existent
#718: Gkrieg is basically an IC. What are your reasons for me and RR beeing on that list?
#721: An IC is an 'innocent child'.
#737: PR = power role, VT = Vanilla Townie.
#738: vote: diedre for delaying his claim.
#782: I just feel like that his behavior seems more like town!newbie than scum!newbie in most posts he has made (which are unfortunately not that many).
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RR from Mail-mi
#95: First RVS vote is on RR.
#126: Pushed by RR to explain the teamlyle vote.
#498: Um, huh? Wouldn't that just create more confirmation bias than anything else? (response to RR's re-read of gkrieg assuming guilt)
#565: RR is the obvious person missing from Mail-mi's list here.
#713: You're in the lynchpool, and I am at least taking Calamitas out for today, because of the tracker result.
Mail-mi from RR
#125: "Pls explain" (Mail-mi's real vote on teamlyle).
#587: Mail-mi- lynchpool
#590: I was going to say 'if someone asks me why my head might explode.' So let's just go with muh gut. (Response to mail-mi asking about his chairs vote)
#625: "No mail-mi. No. Plz stop this" (After Mail-mi's ungrammatical misgendering re-vote on me.)
#712: Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
#714: Forgot about that. I'll take him out. But I'm not in the diddidly dang lynchpool! I've been doing my 'bad town' thing! (Calamitas day-pass)
#758: I don't like it because he happened to target Calamitas, who had been confirmed as having no actions. (on mail-mi's role diversion thing. Also #760)
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Calamitas from Mail-mi
#228: Responds to Calamitas' query on what happened to teamlyle.
#250: Seems a bit noncommittal about the Seprix breadcrumbing question.
#320: He made a scummy post, and his reaction to it made him look a lot worse. (Mail-mi defending his teamlyle vote to Calamitas)
#526: Silver, why the sudden Calamitas scum read? I thought his response to iguana was pretty null, only a little bit scummy if anything.
#565: vote: SA; I guess I could be convinced on Calamitas, though I'd prefer SA or chairs, maybe diedre
#579: Will vote for Calamitas if SA doesn't happen.
#706: I'm willing to take Calamitas off the table too.
#747: I'm a 1-shot redirector. I used it last night, and I tried to make Calamitas target SA.
#752: I'm actually inclined to believe everyone. Iguana and you are obvious, and Calamitas seems genuine.
#763: I agree. Calamitas maaaaayy be scum, but he took no action last night, and his weird claim.
Mail-mi from Calamitas
#206: Queries Mail-mi's second vote on teamlyle.
#317: slightly scummy read: Opening the case for teamlyle
#321: Commentary at mail-mi. Says behaviour could be slightly scummy or towny, but leans scummy.
#470: Queries Mail-mi's "whyyyyyy" on my VT-claim.
#618: Where? (Asks Mail-mi where my alledged townslip was)
#764: What in particular do you two find scummy in the case of SA. He actually seemed rather towny on my re-read.
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Calamitas from RR
#109, #199, #209: Unimportant banter stuff.
#299: "Yeah I realized that" (Calamitas told him Seprix was dead).
#482: I would! And I keep looking back on it and I'm lessand less sure it's outside information. It might've been small talk. -- this is the most RR says about his special info.
#488: Says he'll quite his stuff. Calamitas seems to be responsible for prodding RR into moving the game along a bit. (Or trying t0)
#531: "He's an IC now because of it. Or he would be if he wouldn't of have a slip" (On gkrieg's vig claim, as a response to Calamitas' query)
#558: vote: Calamitas
#587: Calamitas- lynchpool
#634: Oh, you think chairs is scum now? Good job Sherlock ;)
#642: I'm glad Calamitas is figuring out that 'Roadrunner is Roadrunner' already
#712: Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
RR from Calamitas
#111: I have a quite strange sleep cycle.
#232: If I understand it correctly, hated cannot be the case
#297: Tells RR that Seprix is dead.
#317: Gives RR a total null read.
#436: comment on flavour and SK: It fits to the day1 flavor post "might there be a killer in their midst"
#452: Shade on RR over the potential mod info he claimed.
#481: Would one really say something like that if he feels actually guilt for using outside info? (About RR being gleeful that people were talking about him)
#487: Which specific posts did raise your suspicion? (Asking RR about the read-gkrieg-as-guilty thing)
#494: Slowly I get willing to vote for you :D
#530: But for what motive should gkrieg make such a fake claim without necessity?
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Roadrunner is mainly there because I don't remember anything helpful this gameOh, silly goose! You must be new here!
RR it would be nice if you could tell us more about that information that you didn't want to use, unless Haddock told you that you aren't allowed.I knew no one knew their flavor claims, but we all have flavor claims. So when SS didn't know he had a flavor claim (even though I already knew who he was because there's only one BSG character who's a doctor) a lightbulb went off
RR it would be nice if you could tell us more about that information that you didn't want to use, unless Haddock told you that you aren't allowed.I knew no one knew their flavor claims, but we all have flavor claims. So when SS didn't know he had a flavor claim (even though I already knew who he was because there's only one BSG character who's a doctor) a lightbulb went off
Urgh, it's really late and I still haven't solved anything.
I really do think that diedre looks scummy. As well as the absence, it's the sheer noobiness of it all. Especially since he said Haddock had told him stuff -- I've literally just been introduced to forum mafia by Haddock and shown the ropes, and he's way better that diedre would make out. I think it's got to be at least partially an act. There's other stuff, too, like "Good luck everybody" at the start, where I think most of us would wish "Good luck town".
Here are my likelihoods for each of the six possible pairwise interactions coming from within a scum team (note that this would hold even if we have a three-person team).
diedre-mail-mi -- Middling-high? Nothing ultra non-partnery, several things that could be explained by pre-planned conversation.
diedre-RR -- Low, #546 and #591 especially.
diedre-Calamitas -- 2 newbies; Low, pretty meh, but with a slight edge of antagonistic wrt the claims.
mail-mi-RR -- 0 newbies; Middling. Mail-mi responds less to RR than to Calamitas or Diedre. Oddly few interactions?
mail-mi-Calamitas -- Plausible? They actually seem to be on the same page in their interactions, not accusing each other directly. Hmm.
RR-Calamitas -- Low, really relaxed.
Diedre is still my preferred lynch. Mail-mi is second, but I think Calamitas overtakes RR on the marginal 4th place, because mail-mi-Calamitas feels like a surprisingly plausible pairing, based on their interactions.
I can post my text notes of every significant interaction, if anyone would find that useful, but it's more than 100 lines of plaintext, so I thought I'd better ask first :-)
Also the night kills have seemed like they are coming from newbies to me. I don't get why you kill silver last night. I was actually going to be ready to lynch him today, because I didn't really like his claim.
I think SA just has to be scum. They just seem so scummy.
I agree. Calamitas maaaaayy be scum, but he took no action last night, and his weird claim.
Diedre is another vt? He could be scum.
Of the vts, here's what I think:
SA
Diedre
RR
I have to admit that that response did sound actually quite scummy.
Diedre, who are your top two scumreads?
I'm ready to lynch Diedre.
I'm ready to lynch Diedre.
Can I just kill myself?!
Also the night kills have seemed like they are coming from newbies to me. I don't get why you kill silver last night. I was actually going to be ready to lynch him today, because I didn't really like his claim.
I think SA just has to be scum. They just seem so scummy.
I agree. Calamitas maaaaayy be scum, but he took no action last night, and his weird claim.
Diedre is another vt? He could be scum.
Of the vts, here's what I think:
SA
Diedre
RR
Haha... LOL
He are against me and people think we are partners. That a partnership!
If you are town, this game is lost anyway.
You lynch me, you lose.
You keep me, I will not help much since I did not get the hang of this game yet.
Additionally, I do not have time re-re-re-reading posts.
Well I don't like mail-mis claim. I think SA is still scummy, but also think RR is scummy. Diedre is looking townier.
SA
Mail-mi
Mail-mi should actually be higher on that list. The claim is just one I don't really like. Also his position on the two mislynches is pretty bad
Well I don't like mail-mis claim. I think SA is still scummy, but also think RR is scummy. Diedre is looking townier.
SA
Mail-mi
Mail-mi should actually be higher on that list. The claim is just one I don't really like. Also his position on the two mislynches is pretty bad
(and assuming we're dealing with at least two scums, obviously).I would say that we can be almost certain that there are exactly two scum left. 3scum+traitor seems too much while 1 scum+traitor is too little considering all PRs we have.
I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
Okay then!
Unvote
A lightbulb just went off.
This lynch preference thing is SOOOO bad. It gives scum information and it doesn't help us much.
Scum knows that certain people already suspect them. So they have good kill options or WIFOM kill options. Also, town doesn't benefit much. Our opinions will definitely change.
So lynch whoever proposed the lynch preference that I didn't participate in!
A lightbulb just went off.
This lynch preference thing is SOOOO bad. It gives scum information and it doesn't help us much.
Scum knows that certain people already suspect them. So they have good kill options or WIFOM kill options. Also, town doesn't benefit much. Our opinions will definitely change.
So lynch whoever proposed the lynch preference that I didn't participate in!
A lightbulb just went off.
This lynch preference thing is SOOOO bad. It gives scum information and it doesn't help us much.
Scum knows that certain people already suspect them. So they have good kill options or WIFOM kill options. Also, town doesn't benefit much. Our opinions will definitely change.
So lynch whoever proposed the lynch preference that I didn't participate in!
Also: I will only lynch a newbie today. The NKs just seem so off to me.Zoinkers, looks like I'm in trouble
all the smiley faces. slight scum read.This is just me. Check my one previous game, where I was also town.
On Day 1, she didn't talk about the actual game at all. Day 1 was surprisingly short, but still. lots of scum points for that.This is my second game, and is bigger than the only other one I've played in before. It contains a bunch of you who've known each other for a while, so I was intimidated and didn't feel as comfortable speaking out as I did in the other game. Plus, the other game I was in was still going on for me to start with, and for a newbie with a really busy work/social life to suddenly be in two games at once was a struggle, so I focused on the game where more things were going on. Maybe it sounds scummy to you, but it's the truth.
"Okay, I need to get to posting some thoughts!" scummy. Reply #335 is the first actual post of content, and it doesn't start off well. "Look at me guys, I'm contributing, so I'm town right?!" it says.I'm acknowledging that I wasn't very present, and responding in the most useful way I know how, which is to contribute to the game. Yes, I sounded forced and socially awkward/overconscious a few times, but I'm also doing what I can to help town.
"I suppose I should also react and actually vote!" still feels forced to me. still scummy.Yeah, I have no explanation for that one, other than that it didn't sound scummy to me in my head when I typed it. I just wanted to have recorded my ideas first, and then voted as a result of them, so it felt kind of logical to split them into two posts with some kind of bridge between them. I agree it sounds awful and forced in retrospect.
Huh... look at this:I posted my exact reasoning for this whole weird thing before! Go and check post #456. I was trying to be a smart townie and not need all the dots joined up when I'd spotted a voting pattern by more experienced players. RR came in with a weird diedre vote right at the start of D2 (which he still hasn't really explained, BTW), having just hinted at some serious scum-reading potential with his opinion of Seprix (who was sadly also dead by then). Then he voted diedre with no explanation, and nobody questioned it (except maybe gkrieg, who didn't get ever a response), and then Silver joined the wagon, again with no explanation. Rather than asking, I tried to work out a logical sequence of events, and thought that Silver read RR as a cop sort of role, and had followed him onto diedre from there. That's why I expected RR to have confidence in his diedre vote -- because I thought it came from night info that nobody was wanting to have derpy newbies questioning too much.I'm not confident that he is scum.Roadrunner is quite susceptible to pleas like diedre's, so RR is in a moral dilemma
If you're confident that he's scum then you shouldn't let it perturb you :-)
Okay then!
Unvote
SA's vote was on diedre, since she said she found him scummiest after a reread. Yet RR saying he's not confident that diedre is scum prompts her to unvote. If SA or RR is scum, I would look very closely at the other as a partner. for now though, scum points. This unvote is worse than her vote on diedre.
She wants to get on the silver wagon after silver claims delayed doctor. don't know what to think of that, but it's not townie. probably more null than anything.I'd never even heard of a delayed doctor before, and it sounded really weak, and a lot like a convenient claim. Personally, I feel like the scums are doing well in this game (since I have no clue whatsoever what's going on most of the time), so I wondered whether it could really be the "big names" like Silver and Gkrieg who were just totally messing with the rest of us. I'm still paranoid something like that's happening now, even though I'm willing to go with gkrieg and iguana being ICs now.
she votes for me, her second vote of the whole game, for me being "opportunistic," which I still just don't understand. scummy for lack of votes, tho.That may have been OMGUS, but might I add that you had just been personally quite offensive to me? I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by asking whether your post, which doesn't even scan in terms of grammar, was really meant to refer to me. However, you using the "two scums" thing to vote for me was just absurd.
"You're gonna want to lynch me if [chairs] flips town!" her response to gkreig wanting her to steal my hammer. Slightly scummy because of this attitude of self-preservation, which has been pervasive throughout the whole game. Scum is more concerned with saving themselves than town is.I think I've explained elsewhere (possibly in my first game) that I'm used to a win condition that includes being alive at the game end, because that's how 95% of my werewolf games were played. I know it's not how it works here, but thinking past my own death is still not automatic. I'm working on it.
She tries to figure out some likely partnerships, which is kinda townie. So town points there.The one where I urge Gkrieg to look at you and RR as a possible pairing himself? What else can I do? I still have suspicions on Diedre, but he's certainly not the puppetmaster in any pairing he's in. If Gkrieg's experience is telling him Deidre's town, and he and Iguana are happy about Calamitas, then there is no other pairing that makes sense.
And then her latest post just feels off to me in my gut somehow.
Also: I will only lynch a newbie today. The NKs just seem so off to me.
SA, I'm gonna pull this out of my arsenal. I've played I think over 15 games. Maybe even close to 20. I would've done my night kills veryyyyyy differently. And, if I was on a team with diedre, I probably would've dictated the night kills pretty much exclusively.
Wasn't your point that a RR/diedre scum team was possible/plausible?SA, I'm gonna pull this out of my arsenal. I've played I think over 15 games. Maybe even close to 20. I would've done my night kills veryyyyyy differently. And, if I was on a team with diedre, I probably would've dictated the night kills pretty much exclusively.
Thanks, RR... I think you're making my point for me :-)
Wasn't your point that a RR/diedre scum team was possible/plausible?SA, I'm gonna pull this out of my arsenal. I've played I think over 15 games. Maybe even close to 20. I would've done my night kills veryyyyyy differently. And, if I was on a team with diedre, I probably would've dictated the night kills pretty much exclusively.
Thanks, RR... I think you're making my point for me :-)
Smh it doesn't even matter what you think (no offense). Cause I strongly suspect you of being scum. So you can think all you want about what the scum team is!
On a somewhat related note, since I've been playing with SA I've been watching my pronouns, and I've realized that I almost never use pronouns. I just like calling people by their forum names
SA, if I have personally offended you, I am sincerely sorry. I know I messed up on your gender more than I should have. Anything other than that is meant exclusively in the context of the game. I think you're Mafia, but that has no reflection on how I think of you as a person.
Hmmmmm. I don't really like this wagon though...
SA, if I have personally offended you, I am sincerely sorry. I know I messed up on your gender more than I should have. Anything other than that is meant exclusively in the context of the game. I think you're Mafia, but that has no reflection on how I think of you as a person.
Thanks for this, and I'm sorry if I let the pronoun slips colour my perception of you in return. I'd really recommend trying to practice using ungendered pronouns sometime. I first came across them in 90s SciFi (Greg Egan is a really smart author, if you're into that kind of hard SF), but didn't meet real people using them till university. There are loads of people whose lives you can just make a little more bearable by respecting their choice of pronouns and gender expression, no matter what they look or sound like. I'm happy to be experimented on, and now you've got the binary gender part down, maybe you'll risk trying a bit of non-binary again :-) If I live long enough, that is!
Vote: SA
I don't really get to say that then just point the FoS at you.
Why do you question everything I post? Don't you know I don't have an answer for you? Even if I had an answer, do you really think it would satisfy you?Vote: SA
I don't really get to say that then just point the FoS at you.
Why do you think they are scum? How do you take the parts of mail-mi case on SA where they are townie?
You're a random element, more than most players. My point before had been that even though the only possible (from my PoV) newbie scumteam seems kind of unlikely, the fact that a scumteam of you and Diedre would be almost as quirky as a newbie team (because you'd be calling the shots) meant that the Diedre vote wasn't as bad as it could have been, and could still fit in with gkrieg's theory about the kills being odd.Addressing the first part of your post: I do not do random stuff when it comes to the NK. If you're interested, I can link you to some QTs where I was Mafia and you can see me talking about the NKs. I'm pretty sure I've never done anything crazy like that, and I'm positive I've never done anything like that N1.
Your logic is a little skew, too... If I really was scum, I wouldn't have to spend time thinking about who the scumteam was, because I'd get that for free. Trying to work it out because I have no solid evidence for anything is quite exhausting.
Why do you question everything I post? Don't you know I don't have an answer for you? Even if I had an answer, do you really think it would satisfy you?Vote: SA
I don't really get to say that then just point the FoS at you.
Why do you think they are scum? How do you take the parts of mail-mi case on SA where they are townie?
I just think you are mega scummy and I'm heavily considering lynching you instead of SAI don't think anyone else shares that opinion. I've been playing like classic town RR. If I get lynched for that, there's really not much I can do. I took a break from Mafia, then I came back for Olympic Mafia. You haven't been exposed to town RR recently. But as the mod of Olympic Mafia, you've been exposed to a lot of scum RR.
Where is your head at Gkrieg?
Where is your head at Gkrieg?
I'm super paranoid of making the wrong decision. I didn't like how RR got on the SA wagon either. I guess I'm fine with the SA lynch but I think they have been pretty townie lately. Diedre has also been pretty townie. So I guess just by POE it is RR or SA
vote: SAWhat makes you confident in them beeing scum?
I am pretty confident about my vote.
As I said, you we lynch town, we are done.
vote: SAWhat makes you confident in them beeing scum?
I am pretty confident about my vote.
As I said, you we lynch town, we are done.
And why do you think that we are LyLo, I would say the probabilty of that is almost negligible.
vote: SAWhat makes you confident in them beeing scum?
I am pretty confident about my vote.
As I said, you we lynch town, we are done.
And why do you think that we are LyLo, I would say the probabilty of that is almost negligible.
LyLo???
Alright let's roll the dice. Vote: Roadrunner.What did you make believe SA is innocent and RR not?
Even if this is correct finding his partner or partners won't be easy.
Too many willing to Lynch Space and Deidre, not enough want to Lynch Roadrunner. His play is similar to Olympics and his defense is pretty bad.Don't have the time to compare those two games right now, but I agree with the bad defense part. Probably he is the best option by now. vote: RR L-1
Too many willing to Lynch Space and Deidre, not enough want to Lynch Roadrunner. His play is similar to Olympics and his defense is pretty bad.
He's doing the non voting thing again too
Hold on.
Gkreig, you lied.
Hold on.
Gkreig, you lied.
Yep. I was the non-consecutive vig
I mean we probably want to no lynch today and have LYLO tomorrow.
I mean we probably want to no lynch today and have LYLO tomorrow.
Well we want to be able to choose between two people instead of theee people. I mean right now I'm pretty sure mail-mi is town but it would still be nice to see him dead and flipped then having to reread him and figure out he is 100%town(which I'm pretty sure of anyway. Plus people might still have tricks up their sleeves!
vote: no lynch
Well we want to be able to choose between two people instead of theee people. I mean right now I'm pretty sure mail-mi is town but it would still be nice to see him dead and flipped then having to reread him and figure out he is 100%town(which I'm pretty sure of anyway. Plus people might still have tricks up their sleeves!
vote: no lynch
But if we does not lynch anyone, night will come and we will lose another town, right?
Well we want to be able to choose between two people instead of theee people. I mean right now I'm pretty sure mail-mi is town but it would still be nice to see him dead and flipped then having to reread him and figure out he is 100%town(which I'm pretty sure of anyway. Plus people might still have tricks up their sleeves!
vote: no lynch
I am between mail-mi and SA.
But since SA already started voting on me, he seems scummier.
Who votes that fast when there are only four players left?! Scum.
Well we want to be able to choose between two people instead of theee people. I mean right now I'm pretty sure mail-mi is town but it would still be nice to see him dead and flipped then having to reread him and figure out he is 100%town(which I'm pretty sure of anyway. Plus people might still have tricks up their sleeves!
vote: no lynch
It's not a good idea, I don't think, because in what scenario does scum not just kill you?
Finally got some time off, vacation can get quite busy :D
My current reads/thoughts:
Rather scummy:
- Chairs: Weird comments about double voting; assumption about traitor that is not confirmed for town but for mafiaSeprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.Slightly scummy ones:
- Diedre: Pretty much non-existent
- Silver : Mainly the statement of iguana who doesn't seem scummy but not particular scummy either, have to wait for his eleboration
- mail-mi: Opening the case for teamlyle
Rather towny:
- Gkrieg: Very active, long and helpful posts. No signs pointing towards mafia by now
On iguana and rr I have pretty much a null-read, leaning more towards town in the case of ii and absolute null in the case of rr. But even the town of ii is more a feeling and I cannot give concret evidence.
I also feel like his messing up by calling SA he over and over again is forced.
I also feel like his messing up by calling SA he over and over again is forced.
Gkrieg, this is just out of line. I have already said that I find the pronouns issue personally offensive, and you're implying that I might have been encouraging it for the sake of looking like a non-scum-partner? It's absolutely not okay for anyone to encourage others to act in a discriminatory or insensitive way about a minority just to win a game, and that's pretty much what your suggestion there amounts to.
I let one or two instances of misgendering on the part of non-native English speakers slide because their language usage backgrounds might be a little different... see the fact that I haven't even complained about deidre's post at #882 yet. I just don't have the time/mental energy to keep correcting people and to fight what feels like a losing battle for town at the same time without letting one thing derail the other. If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose.
I think I have to explain my vote... I entered on teamlyle wagon because he put his vote on me. I just fired back.
I also feel like his messing up by calling SA he over and over again is forced.
Gkrieg, this is just out of line. I have already said that I find the pronouns issue personally offensive, and you're implying that I might have been encouraging it for the sake of looking like a non-scum-partner? It's absolutely not okay for anyone to encourage others to act in a discriminatory or insensitive way about a minority just to win a game, and that's pretty much what your suggestion there amounts to.
I let one or two instances of misgendering on the part of non-native English speakers slide because their language usage backgrounds might be a little different... see the fact that I haven't even complained about deidre's post at #882 yet. I just don't have the time/mental energy to keep correcting people and to fight what feels like a losing battle for town at the same time without letting one thing derail the other. If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose.
SA, he means this only in game, and again, no personal offence is meant.
Also, the fact that you only replied to this part of his post, instead of including anything else, makes me think you're scummier.
Ah, i see your point.I also feel like his messing up by calling SA he over and over again is forced.
Gkrieg, this is just out of line. I have already said that I find the pronouns issue personally offensive, and you're implying that I might have been encouraging it for the sake of looking like a non-scum-partner? It's absolutely not okay for anyone to encourage others to act in a discriminatory or insensitive way about a minority just to win a game, and that's pretty much what your suggestion there amounts to.
I let one or two instances of misgendering on the part of non-native English speakers slide because their language usage backgrounds might be a little different... see the fact that I haven't even complained about deidre's post at #882 yet. I just don't have the time/mental energy to keep correcting people and to fight what feels like a losing battle for town at the same time without letting one thing derail the other. If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose.
SA, he means this only in game, and again, no personal offence is meant.
I understand fine that it's probably not what he meant, and I don't need you to explain his meaning to me, thank you. What gkrieg actually suggests is that I might have been deliberately encouraging (or at best, allowing) Calamitas behave in a socially unacceptable manner in order to win potential town points for myself. And I'm saying that's unethical play, which goes beyond the game. Would you want to hang out on a forum that allowed casual racism to be used in the same way?
Also, the fact that you only replied to this part of his post, instead of including anything else, makes me think you're scummier.
I already said that trying to argue both at once is tiring! And I did in fact also point out in there that if Calamitas had been in a scum QT with me I'd have had a better communication channel in which to get to know him and stop him from making quite such a spectacular pronoun-fail. He'd regard me as more of a person if we'd had that connection, but we didn't. That's pretty much the best case I have for not being scumbuddies with him, because VT is a useless role and I don't have any other information.
Even when I was pointing out what I thought were the main reasons I read Calamitas as town, I acknowledged that the main one I quoted (the misgendering of EFHW) didn't hold if diedre was his scum partner, and it looks like that's true. Given that Calamitas actually was scum after all, this has become the one piece of evidence I have that it's diedre and not you, tenuous though it is, since I guess it's possible to pick a target using only a username. I imagine you and Calamitas would have discussed things, though, and neither of you seems to have been particularly hesitant with the use of pronouns..
Haha... LOL"He" is Calamitas, here. I can see a newbie!scum partnership with Calamitas, and diedre saying this because he actually is a partner with him. he also in 799 says "I am not a partner of mail-mi," in response to SA's "figuring out teams" post. They pair diedre with RR, Calamitas, and me, and he only comments on me, and then in the next post Calamitas. I don't quite know what to make of this, but it makes him scummier.
He are against me and people think we are partners. That a partnership!
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done any more.
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner
Seprix (1): SpaceAnemone
Calamitas (1): gkriegteamlyle (6): mail-mi, silverspawn, diedre, EFHW, iguana, chairs
Not Voting (3): Seprix, Calamitas, teamlyle
teamlyle has been lynched! With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Final Day 2 Vote Count
You'll forgive me, Madam President, if I don't wish to be executed based solely on your... gut feeling.chairs (5): diedre, Calamitas, gkrieg, iguana, SA
SA (2): mail-mi, chairs
Calamitas (1): silver
Not Voting (1): RR
chairs has been lynched! With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Final Day 3 Vote Count
I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull!
SA (3): mail-mi, RR, diedreRR (4): gkrieg, iguana, Calamitas, SA
Roadrunner7671 has been lynched! With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
I already said that trying to argue both at once is tiring! And I did in fact also point out in there that if Calamitas had been in a scum QT with me I'd have had a better communication channel in which to get to know him and stop him from making quite such a spectacular pronoun-fail.
uh where? i didn't see that in your post.
The male to female ratio is like 16 to 1 I think, and "he" is just my default pronoun.I find this problematic on several levels :-(
I already said that trying to argue both at once is tiring! And I did in fact also point out in there that if Calamitas had been in a scum QT with me I'd have had a better communication channel in which to get to know him and stop him from making quite such a spectacular pronoun-fail.
uh where? i didn't see that in your post.
Last sentence of #895: "If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose".The male to female ratio is like 16 to 1 I think, and "he" is just my default pronoun.I find this problematic on several levels :-(
I already said that trying to argue both at once is tiring! And I did in fact also point out in there that if Calamitas had been in a scum QT with me I'd have had a better communication channel in which to get to know him and stop him from making quite such a spectacular pronoun-fail.
uh where? i didn't see that in your post.
Last sentence of #895: "If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose".
Oh, I was asking that about the first sentence.
I also feel like his messing up by calling SA he over and over again is forced.
Gkrieg, this is just out of line. I have already said that I find the pronouns issue personally offensive, and you're implying that I might have been encouraging it for the sake of looking like a non-scum-partner? It's absolutely not okay for anyone to encourage others to act in a discriminatory or insensitive way about a minority just to win a game, and that's pretty much what your suggestion there amounts to.
I let one or two instances of misgendering on the part of non-native English speakers slide because their language usage backgrounds might be a little different... see the fact that I haven't even complained about deidre's post at #882 yet. I just don't have the time/mental energy to keep correcting people and to fight what feels like a losing battle for town at the same time without letting one thing derail the other. If I'd had a scum QT with Calamitas, you can bet I'd have sorted out the pronouns issue with him the moment it arose.
Day 4 Start
As comms came back, the group once again realised that their numbers had been reduced during the period of static. They'd come to expect the intermittent deaths, but each was acutely aware that as their numbers dwindled, not only did their chance of being next increase, but the chance of their mission's success gradually approached zero.
Conversations started once more, and they managed to determine that only four of them remained. Once again, the static had claimed two lives. Someone claimed to have seen the debris from one of the missing Raptors, and that in the twisted wreckage they had seen a body torn in half, and amongst the protruding bones a spinal cord of some strange metal that, as they watched, began to glow red. A Cylon! Or what remained.
Was that ruined creature the only one left, or were there more murdering toasters among the four remaining ships?
iguanaiguana died during the night. They were Karl Agathon, the Macho Tracker.
Calamitas died during the night. They were Leoben Conoy, the Cylon Goon.
Day 4 begins now and will end at 2pm forum time, 18th September.
Certainly, they we kill me during the day (supposing that this scenario stays the same).
Okay, I need to get posting some thoughts!
First up, town: Calamitas and Silver both seem more solvy and helpful here than I've seen them elsewhere.
Nulls: RR, Iguana, diedre.
Slight scum: Mail-mi, because of the way the mislynch of teamlyle got started.
Scum: Chairs. I'm not sure whether pushing that wagon to L-2 is a great idea now that we have a precedent for invisible votes, though -- would people in general be comfortable with that?
Really not sure: Gkrieg. I mean, I want to believe he's solvy town, but there are a few tiny threads that don't quite sit right for me. The first is the exchange below with Silver, since I agree that Seprix's words as quoted look like a hedgey attack, rather than a defence.Kinda defends silverspawn here:On the other hand EFHW's and iguana's reactions to my posts just seem more natural for someone who's a lot more social than me. Silver's looking to exploit the opportunity
Yeah, SS's reads feel opportunistic to me as well. He plays that way though, but considering he's been scum pretty much every time lately, I would still present that as part of a potential case.
That is not a defense. That is an attack.
The second thing was that in post #252, he picked out Seprix's use of the word "trait" in post #237 ("Also, can double voting or hating be a town trait?"), and said "Not too much to go off of, but he was definitely dropping that he was a traitor like the whole game". That would be fine, but Seprix's words were mimicking Chair's language of post #230 ("I'd actually argue hated is more likely a Town trait, in this theme, but that's just me."), and given that he's also building a case on Chairs, something feels contradictory about his not mentioning that.
Last and possibly least, there was a comment quite early in D1 from Gkrieg about liking the new Mail-mi, but at that point I didn't think Mail-mi had said all that much, so I found it odd. I have no idea what Mail-mi was like previously, though, and haven't read any Mail-mi games, so it may just be such a marked difference that even with a handful of posts it was obvious.
I also don't feel like the Calamitas wagon is the right way to go either. He did some really towny stuff, and he's kind of being accused of scumminess for the same sorts of behaviour I'm being accused for, except he says he's been on vacation, and for me it's major work deadlines. Here's some towny stuff that some of you might be overlooking, though:
Post #249, pointing out Seprix's traitor breadcrumbing before anyone else had mentioned it. If he were scum, that just gives extra info to town without adding anything for scum, who'd already have been aware of the situation at flip time if not before.
This from post #275:1. Town PR with NK has got the traitor hint. But they could have outed their doubts on Day 1. Of course, mafia could have killed Seprix and the PR efhw but I don't see any reason for a town PR to kill efhw. He wasn't really scummy at all.The first assumption is off, because we know gkrieg only formed his suspicions in twilight after it was too late to do anything about it in the lynch. But if we trust gkrieg, then we know that it was EFHW who was the scum NK.. and if Calamitas is scum, would he be anywhere near as likely to misgender her, given that presumably these kills are discussed in faction chat? This only holds if his supposed scumbuddy is not diedre, but that covers a lot of cases, so I feel it's worth a mention.
Finally, post #405: he mentioned mafiascum.net in his case. I find that really townie, because he's not afraid to back up his source. Compare that to much of the other assumptions we have about how things in this game are working, many of which have simply been declared by gkrieg/Silver as they push us along.
If he was scum, he would know that not mafia only has one night kill.
Though it also looks like he knows there's only two scum, when we don't know that for sure...
So I guess they kind of cancel out. I'll go back to vote: SA
Wait, what? Can you re-word that to help me follow what your argument is even trying to say?
Also vote: mail-mi because now I really do start to see the whole opportunism argument made by Silver earlier.
My general feelings at the moment are:
Towns: Silver, Iguana, gkrieg, Calamitas
Nulls: diedre, RR (but I should give more scrutiny next time through)
Scummy: Mail-mi
how about we don't lynch chairs and lynch calamitas instead?
I don't know. The fact that he has stayed this long at L-1 should say something. What makes chairs so townie in your book? Like what is the town motivation behind his game?
Just a query... would it be impolite for me to hammer, given that Mail-mi already posted intent? I'm not sure what the etiquette is there. Iguana seemed persuadable too, I think, though I'm phone-posting so it's complicated to go back and check right now :-P
I'd rather see Chairs lynched than Calamitas, but my gut would rather vote Mail-mi over either of them.
I tried to post this late last night (like 8pm forum time), but it wasn't working and I needed to sleep. I think it's still valid in spite of intervening posts,Three mafia + a traitor makes more sense with my uber role than 2 mafia + a traitor. I'm going to assume we're at LyLo.
Wow, okay.
I'm pretty comfortable with a diedre lynch -- he's made so few posts in-game that are useful for alignment purposes, so re-reading him didn't take very long at all. If there are three scums left, we need to be really careful not to start an easy mislynch wagon for them to pile onto all of a sudden.
If Calamitas didn't target anyone, that just means he's not the one who made the NK, but could still be on the scum team, right? Though I've read him as quite towny for a while now.
Lastly, if we're at LyLo, would now be a good time to push RR for an explanation the weirdness around the mod info, and his sudden vote for diedre at the start of D2?
I really want a top two lynch pool from SA, diedre, and Calamitas.
Did you mean Mail-mi instead of Calamitas there? You had Mail-mi on your list above, and had said previously you wanted to take Calamitas off the table for today.
As it stands, if you think the whole scumteam is within that list, you're hypothesizing a fully newbie team. In my re-reads, I've been looking at interactions between pairs of people in my lynchpool (which is diedre, Mail-mi, Calamitas and RR, obviously), but I'm kind of down-weighting the prior on diedre-Calamitas because I feel like the mislynches have happened rather too well for a totally inexperienced scum team.
Hmmmmm. I don't really like this wagon though...
Well, either diedre comes in and quickhammers me, in which case you've got a scum, or the pair you're looking for is RR and Mail-mi, who're already on my wagon. So at least I'm being more informative tonight :-/
Calamitas was evil?? I was really sure he was townie!! :-(
I'd assumed that the reason people took him off the table yesterday was that he was probably Iguana's backup, since otherwise town seemed too prone to be swingy, given the weakness of all the claimed town roles.
If I also trust your theory that both sums are newbies, then I guess a vote: diedre is in order.
PS: hi from some very antisocial phone posting in the middle of my cousin's wedding ceilidh :-P
Sorry for not being that active as you are guys. Got pretty busy week.
I did not expect that much commitment from the players.
As I told already, it is also my first game. It is hard to follow the posts sometimes.
Here it goes what I think, how I see other players.
silverspawn: Scum. His comments sound pretty scummy. Also convinced by the others.
SpaceAnemone: Town. Not much to say.
gkrieg: Not sure. Very active. It could be that he is playing like this to fool us.
Roadrunner: Since the beggining I though he was town. That is why I told he was wrong about voting on me. I still believe he is town.
chairs: Scum. gkrieg and Calamitas convinced me.
iguana: Town. Few posts but seems trustworthy.
mail-mi: no idea. Pretty confused about him.
Calamitas: Town. Pretty sure about this one.
I am back! (after being prod and after forum downtime)
How I am supposed to post if the forum does not stay on? :(
And people (me included) lynched a town again! We all suck!
With 7 players left and only one scum dead, I am hopeless.
My lynchpool now is: Gkrieg, RR and Calamitas.
That's pretty convincing.
Will vote for Calamitas if SA doesn't happen.
Here's a thought: chairs came in, posted a meme, and had an unproductive conversation with me.Oh, you think chairs is scum now? Good job Sherlock ;)
Posting just to post and say "I'm here!" Without actually posting anything of substance. Scummy.
I have since the beginning of the day.
Current lynchpool, in order of preference:
SA
Chairs
Calamitas
SA (and silver for that matter), why do you think I'm being opportunistic? Again, I had like no scumreads D1 except teamlyle, and today my scum reads are currently you, chairs, and Calamitas to an extent.
Gkreig, I guess I kinda fall in between you and silver on Calamitas, null leaning on scummy.
I'll pretty much just sheep iguana here. He and gkreig are definitely off the lynch table, and I'm willing to take Calamitas off the table too.
Yeah maybe a massclaim would be good.
Okay the lynchpool is bigger than I thought. SA, Mail Mi, Calamitas and diedre.
You're in the lynchpool, and I am at least taking Calamitas out for today, because of the tracker result.
he's definitely not an IC but i think he's good to take out today.
I didn't get it either really, since I've never actually seen a town redirector.
I'm actually inclined to believe everyone. Iguana and you are obvious, and Calamitas seems genuine.
Well, let's take silver off the lynch table for today.
Silver, why the sudden Calamitas scum read? I thought his response to iguana was pretty null, only a little bit scummy if anything. Do you have a case?
I do consider swearing about the game to be overreacting.
F#$K this game, being an IC is boring. I'm used to having at the very least 3 votes on me all game long.
Unvote
I dunno know who to vote for. Probably I'll sheep silver after he does his case.
vote: iguana for overreacting!
vote: SA
I guess I could be convinced on Calamitas, though I'd prefer SA or chairs, maybe diedre.
Good to see silver is back at a level where I don't understand his actions at all. He is too experienced to unintentionally be that flip-floppy but I cannot see which kind of reactions he wants to provoke. Space's post might be actually kind of a scumslip but I think carelessness is the likelier option here. I cannot speak for others but I find I still don't like chairs post about the traitor. The double-voting part of the case about him is almost neglicable, but the traitor part might be an actual scumslip. The option he is neglecting by assumption is even the standard version at mafiascum.net (don't know if it is handled differnetly here). Therefore, confirm vote: chairs . I don't like diedres inactivity either but I am not sure if it is scummy inactivity or just lack of time. Pretty much nullread on the rest, have to re-read them and will write about them when I get some time later.
Anyway, I'm very interested in iguanas announced statement about silver.
My top two lynch pool by now is {roadrunner, mail-mi}.
Roadrunner is mainly there because I don't remember anything helpful this game, however I haven't reread him yet. Mail-mi is there mainly due to PoE, for it's own he is a nullread (though I haven't reread him as well yet), but the second best choice right now IMO. Both, diedre and Space seem more towny than him by now.
My lynch preference list looks therefore like that:
- Roadrunner
- Diedre
- Space
Not sure what to think of mail-mi's case on SA. On the one hand some actions presented are definitely scummy on its own, even though I kind of believe most of SA's explanations (e.g. #315) the overall scum-rating is probably too high to deny. Especially the unvote in #422 is just scummy, sheeping is absolutely inconsistent to his other behavior (e.g. criticizes multiple wagons).
Therefore unvote my vote on diedre, don't think anymore lynching him is the right way to go. SAs is probably still not my favorite choice, but I could live with it.
Too many willing to Lynch Space and Deidre, not enough want to Lynch Roadrunner. His play is similar to Olympics and his defense is pretty bad.Don't have the time to compare those two games right now, but I agree with the bad defense part. Probably he is the best option by now. vote: RR L-1
And I reread SA yesterday. And with what gkreig is bringing up, I think they are the last scum. I mean, it could be diedre, but it's just so much more likely SA.
vote: SA
And I reread SA yesterday. And with what gkreig is bringing up, I think they are the last scum. I mean, it could be diedre, but it's just so much more likely SA.
vote: SA
What reasons do you have for it being SA?
unvote
I want some good reasons from both you and diedre please
In rereading SA, they put Calamitas repeatedly as a town read and defend him each time a wagon is suggested.
It also just kills me that SA chose to target diedre today. I would love to hear a case from them.
SA I just want you to put together a case on mail-mi or diedre that shows they are scummier than you. The largest thing that makes you scummy is that Calamitas had the chance to hammer you for a long time and didn't, but jumped on RR very quickly
In addition to that stuff, diedre is just being such a derp-newbie that I find it forced and unbelievable. I just find it easier to believe that someone's faking it than to believe he's really not sure about half of the stuff he asks such obvious questions about. The latest example is the NK last night, though that's after I put my vote on him.
Early game: jumps around a bit with reasonable RVS explanations, then starts the teamlyle mislynch.
"Thanks for making me explain, it just made me a lot more sure of this vote." (#126) This is a very "look at this and follow me" kind of statement.
The "new Mail-mi" thing in #175 could also be explained by being more engaged earlier on through being scum.
The "what he said" thing with Silver (#180) -- posting without content, and echoing a town person.
#205-206 Calamitas queries whether mail-mi has already voted teamlyle -- e.g. Calamitas is keeping a close eye on where his scumbuddy and the mislynch are going.
#225-226 Mail-mi and Calamitas are the first two to express shock over the mislynch, moments after the vote count, so they were clearly watching the wagon very closely.
#250: "That depends on if the mafia knew about the traitor, I'd guess." A set piece explanation? Especially given that it's Calamitas he's responding to...
#255: Very fast onto the chairs mislynch wagon without any new argument: "seems good. vote: chairs Wagons!"
#266: This is a really tenuous grab at pointing out a scumslip! Chairs said Seprix's partners didn't know he existed, and Mail-mi jumped on it, whereas surely there's an implicit "probably didn't know" for most of us when reading that, yes?
#318: gkrieg didn't like that mail-mi was sheeping the chairs case. All mail-mi responds is that he thought it was a good case.. no other argument necessary, and again he's only echoing people he already knows to be town.
#319: But then he immediately jumps to a "pressure vote" on diedre anyway.
#321: Post from Calamitas that points out that mail-mi's behaviour might be scummy or towny, but leans "mildly scummy" in a very polite nonconfrontational way. The fact he says that mail-mi being townie is "absolutely realisic" looks bad in light of Calamitas's flip result.
#329, #332, #334: this could be a premeditated exchange about me being "scummy"/abstent. Mail-mi and Calamitas are still being super-nice to each other -- this is the only instance of "thx" in the whole game.
#364: Silver's suspicion on mail-mi for being quick to sheep gkreig's "basic" reads. It seems true that scum should follow any expereinced player with a good argument on a town player, and Mail-mi's doing exactly that with gkreig's vote on Chairs.
#381 "I am going to want an explanation for that" -- seems an odd way of sounding suspicious at Silver being weird about a diedre lynch.
#398: Jumps onto me for my selfconscious segue into a post where I actually vote. This is another example of him being really opportunistic with his voting switches.
#415: Reads as scummy something gkrieg reads as townie in #416 -- more opportunistic blame-casting. (in relation to diedre's "I meant it!" post at #412).
#420: Silver goes back to voting Mail-mi for opportunism.
#428: Silver points out possible scumslip by Mail-mi, who counters it as lazy typing at #449. It may well be a real slip. Mail-mi doesn't seem to recall that he has made more or less the same accusation to Chairs about his alledged slip back around #266.
#453: Refuses to get drawn into a speculation about what scum roles could have killed Seprix. Maybe because he doesn't want scum speculation, and/or would find it hard because he actually knows exactly what's going on with the scum team?
#459: Goes way back to re-quoting my post at #395 to throw extra suspicion at me. Absolutely does not engage with all the reasonable thought-process stuff I posted in the meantime to explain exactly where I was coming from and why (e.g post #456). He's deliberately drawing expereinced town's attention away from my arguments.
#478: This is the second time he's posted about his other game as an excuse for not being more engaged.. which is also perfect cover.
#526: Asking Silver about his shade on Calamitas, and pointing out a "pretty null" read on him in the process. Worried for his partner?
#565: Votes for me (after switching momentarily to iguana) and says "I guess I could be convinced on Calamitas, though I'd prefer SA or chairs, maybe diedre." -- which puts his scumbuddy in the perfect noncommittal location, pretty much favouring all the other non-ICs over him.
#579: "That's pretty convincing. Will vote for Calamitas if SA doesn't happen." Compare this to the way he opportunistically jumped on every mislynch going earlier in the game.
#623: "If he was scum, he would know that not mafia only has one night kill." This one I really don't like, not least because it made no grammatical sense. I think he's saying that I would know that mafia only has one night kill (just with a misplaced "not" in the middle), but because he misgendered me yet again, I thought there was a chance he might really be talking about someone else (Chairs?) and I might just be confused. This whole exchange was also late at night for me (almost midnight) in the middle of a 48-hour ultra-busy period for my company, so I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I asked him to re-word it rather than immediately assuming the worst. Also "Though it also looks like he knows there's only two scum, when we don't know that for sure..." -- he's got this bizarre objection to me making a numbers assumption in any reasoning, even though I got it from someone far more experienced than me (it was either gkrieg or iguana, I think; can't remember now), and in the particular case I was quoting, it was a particular reaction to iguana suggesting a particular scum pairing... so me assuming that same pairing in commenting on that pairing was the only logical thing to do. The fact he was trying to pick at it seemed like a really unfounded attack.
#628-#630: He reacts totally really agressively to what I thought was a reasonable question about what his non-grammatical sentence was trying to say. I still don't think he's noticed he wasn't talking sense by #630 when he still also doesn't seem to have read my comment about assuming two scums. He's willfully reading for what he wants to see and pick holes in, rather than what people like me are actually writing!
#635: Still puts Calamitas on his lynch list (since Silver is making a case), but right at the end, so that there's no real danger of having to go down that far.
#641: "Oh. That clears things up a little bit." Too late for me because his outright attacks about me still stand there, but then he already knew it was all completely unfounded.
#647: Asks why Silver and I find him opportunistic!! Also: "today my scum reads are currently you, chairs, and Calamitas to an extent." -- still putting Calamitas there, but only at the very end.
#706: "Willing" to take Calamitas off the table after Iguana's read? Convenient!
#747: Really shady-looking claim following on from Iguana's tracker result on Calamitas, but of course he had to pick Calamitas, becuase he knows Calamitas didn't perform the NK, so Calamitas onto anyone would be a totally safe redirect to claim.
#750: He didn't seem very sad about his PR being used up in a worthless way. "I was basically thinking, okay, I can choose either SA or Calamitas, my top two reads, and have them target the other. I was going back and forth a bit, but eventually settled on Calamitas. Turns out either I guessed wrong or my reads are off." Are one-shot redirectors even that common, and if so, are they used in situations like this, or saved till the PR-holder really knows what's going on well enough to make it count.
#752: "I didn't get it either really, since I've never actually seen a town redirector. I'm actually inclined to believe everyone. Iguana and you are obvious, and Calamitas seems genuine." Haha, Calamitas seems genuine. I know what I was thinking (that super-weak claimed town roles meant that Calamitas was a backup), but what were experienced players thinking? This is mosty just a question for gkrieg, obviously.
#761: "I chose wrong, out of a ~50/50 chance." This is obviously untrue, because if he'd been town, he couldn't be at all sure that his top two scum reads actually included one, much less two, scum, and it's only 50/50 at all if both people he picks are scum. Of course, he already knew that exactly 1/2 was scum, and also that that scum wasn't the one who was targetting anyone at all that night.
#763: "Calamitas maaaaayy be scum" -- this is like the nth time he's been vague about Calamitas maybe being scum, but how many times has he voted calamitas, taken anything he's said wrongly, asked him anything in a hostile manner, or asked him to repeat things he's posted -- these are all behaviours he's shown to me in trying to get me to look scummy.
#792: Summary of my pairwise reads, and I put Mail-mi-Calamitas as my second-most-likely pairing after Mail-mi-diedre. Note that almost all their interactions are cordial, and they seem to be on the same page throught, which is in stark contrast to how Mail-mi has acted towards other people, presumably because he's got to villainise us in his head in order to build cases against people he knows are really town, while still trying to sound townie.
#816 Mail-mi's re-read on me cites things (like my unvote on diedre after RR said he wasn't confident that he's scum) that I'd already explained perfectly reasonably. Of the other things he thinks are scummy, two boil down to me being self-conscious about the way I open posts and set context, which I can work on as I become less of a newbie. I still argue that my self-preservation thing is a newbie issue because it's how I'm used to playing IRL. Smiley faces as a scum read is someting Silver came up with in my first game, and it's ridiculous. Everything else in his whole D3 case on me is actually just a null or slight town read.
#863: "Rr seems different than in Olympics, and I was his partner. I really think it's space." Conveniently forgetting about Calamitas!
#881: "Unfortunately, my redirect was only 1-shot." Okay, so are we happy believing in this ultra-weak town role, even after the reveal that Gkreig's role is stronger than we'd originally thought?
#888: On gkreig's no-lynch plan: "It's not a good idea, I don't think, because in what scenario does scum not just kill you?" -- try reading this as coming from a worried scum who wants to make sure he doesn't waste a potential NK on the offchance gkrieg also has a protective component in his role!
#896: Here's another example of him trying to make me look scummy by picking at trivial things I'd already exlained. In fact, he made me go back to this again in #988 and #903 to re-quote my already-perfectly-good explanations. He may just have been being inadvertantly awful and careless, but if I stop trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, there's defintiely the potential for a more deliberate reading.
#919: Says that his D3 reads on me still apply. Those are ones I thoroughly argued against already, and half of those reads were town/null anyway.
Ok one last thing for you SA, do the flavor names for Iguanaiguana and EFHW make sense?
What would a vigilante flavor name be?
And could there be a redirector that sticks out to you from the series?
Oh man this is literally killing me. I kind of want to no lynch so I don't have to make the decision.
Oh man this is literally killing me. I kind of want to no lynch so I don't have to make the decision.
Not so, I'm afraid! The decision is still on you, because "no lynch" means Mail-mi takes you out in the night, and has a very easy job of persuading diedre onto voting me out in the last day, at which point town loses.
Diedre seems barely engaged enough to be following my (long; sorry!) arguments, so I'm not hopeful about changing his mind.
I did notice something on my re-read to make me more suspicious of him again, though: at #753, he asks what "VT" is -- as someone who then claims that's his role, he really should already know the answer to that one. He asks so many obvious questions, though.. or just things I know he can get from the mod, because Haddock's answered plenty of newbie questions from me in a very helpful way (mostly during my previous game or earlier, I should point out; we're deliberately not talking about this one, so as not to risk an unfair advantage through reading him).
bah. I don't like losing.
Darn.
bah. I don't like losing.
Sorry about that.
Yep. A correct lynch at the end there would have been a guaranteed mvp. Not to be though.bah. I don't like losing.
Sorry about that.
hey, you killed two third of the scumteam. Pretty sure it's not your fault :P
I certainly didn't help! My night results incriminated town and cleared scum!Yep. Unfortunate.
I certainly didn't help! My night results incriminated town and cleared scum!
In retrospect, tracking Calamitas was stupid. He was the most suspected at EoD and therefore least likely to perform the kill. My second choice would have been tracking Space, and clearing them would have been much better for us, obviously.
I'm pretty happy with the balance here I think. Thanks again to faust and Teproc for helping me balance it.
I'm pretty happy with the balance here I think. Thanks again to faust and Teproc for helping me balance it.
Agreed.
Tracking space was the intended action by us. Space and I were bus driven :DIn retrospect, tracking Calamitas was stupid. He was the most suspected at EoD and therefore least likely to perform the kill. My second choice would have been tracking Space, and clearing him would have been much better for us, obviously.
That is true, though.
The pronoun issue reminds me of Sherlock mafia, where I was given an alternate account to use in the QT, but kept forgetting it no matter how much I tried to remember :-X
Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
The fact that you busdrive doesn't change what choice was smart from iguana's perspective since he couldn't have known.Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
Obviously not, but I was referring to the "would have been better for us" :)The fact that you busdrive doesn't change what choice was smart from iguana's perspective since he couldn't have known.Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
I'm glad you think that's obvious.Obviously not, but I was referring to the "would have been better for us" :)The fact that you busdrive doesn't change what choice was smart from iguana's perspective since he couldn't have known.Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
I have read Yudkowsky as well :)I'm glad you think that's obvious.Obviously not, but I was referring to the "would have been better for us" :)The fact that you busdrive doesn't change what choice was smart from iguana's perspective since he couldn't have known.Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
Now I'm beginning to feel sorry that we couldn't be friends because you drew scum.I have read Yudkowsky as well :)I'm glad you think that's obvious.Obviously not, but I was referring to the "would have been better for us" :)The fact that you busdrive doesn't change what choice was smart from iguana's perspective since he couldn't have known.Well, then it's still true.What do you mean?
Yes, tracking for me was obviously a lost cause. I thought about tracking Mail-mi but he never seemed like the best option. The game was well played.
That honors me but I'm not sure whether it is deserved. At the end you were the one that survived and won the LyLo for us :)Yes, tracking for me was obviously a lost cause. I thought about tracking Mail-mi but he never seemed like the best option. The game was well played.
I did the bus driving, so that's why my fakeclaim was 1-shot redirector. :)
I suggest Calamitas as MVP. If you look in the scum QT, you can see that most of the plans were his.
Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
Of course, you'd have shot Space-A if you didn't shoot Calamitas, and that would have ended the game right there.Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
To be fair, I would've lynched mail-mi over Calamitas. I only shot Calamitas because he was softing bulletproof, and I wanted to test that bulletproof.
Of course, you'd have shot Space-A if you didn't shoot Calamitas, and that would have ended the game right there.Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
To be fair, I would've lynched mail-mi over Calamitas. I only shot Calamitas because he was softing bulletproof, and I wanted to test that bulletproof.
But why would you shoot mail-mi and not SA there?Of course, you'd have shot Space-A if you didn't shoot Calamitas, and that would have ended the game right there.Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
To be fair, I would've lynched mail-mi over Calamitas. I only shot Calamitas because he was softing bulletproof, and I wanted to test that bulletproof.
Very true. If only we could've no-lynched and then mail-mi didn't shoot. Then I could've shot mail-mi and be the only player to single-handedly win a game for town
But why would you shoot mail-mi and not SA there?Of course, you'd have shot Space-A if you didn't shoot Calamitas, and that would have ended the game right there.Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
To be fair, I would've lynched mail-mi over Calamitas. I only shot Calamitas because he was softing bulletproof, and I wanted to test that bulletproof.
Very true. If only we could've no-lynched and then mail-mi didn't shoot. Then I could've shot mail-mi and be the only player to single-handedly win a game for town
Thank you very much, really didn't expect that at the start of the game :D Was great fun and mail-mi played an excellent game as well and deserved the MVP as much as I did :)It was a tough call. I agree mail-mi played excellently.
Thank you very much, really didn't expect that at the start of the game :D Was great fun and mail-mi played an excellent game as well and deserved the MVP as much as I did :)It was a tough call. I agree mail-mi played excellently.
I'll get that MVP some day
Of course, you'd have shot Space-A if you didn't shoot Calamitas, and that would have ended the game right there.Personally, I'd have given the mvp to mail-mi without a second thought. I really don't see night actions being as important as day behavior.
To be fair, I would've lynched mail-mi over Calamitas. I only shot Calamitas because he was softing bulletproof, and I wanted to test that bulletproof.
Very true. If only we could've no-lynched and then mail-mi didn't shoot. Then I could've shot mail-mi and be the only player to single-handedly win a game for town