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Title: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on April 26, 2016, 12:36:11 am
Let's get this melee started! If you are like me, you agree that there's no better feeling in Dominion than burying your opponents under mountains of junk or annihilating the valuable cards in their carefully-built decks. So what attack do you like the best? Vote now! Seeding is done by Qvist weighted averages. If necessary I will cast tie-breaking votes.

Byes in first round:
1 Ambassador
2 Mountebank
3 Goons
4 Cultist
5 Scrying Pool
6 Followers
7 Witch
8 Urchin/Mercenary
9 Swindler
10 Torturer
11 Minion
12 Familiar
13 Sea Hag
14 Young Witch
15 Militia
16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
18 Marauder
19 Haunted Woods
20 Swamp Hag
21 Bridge Troll
22 Knights
23 Soothsayer

First round contenders:

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on April 26, 2016, 12:54:36 am
Kill me now.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Donald X. on April 26, 2016, 01:17:51 am
Kill me now.
Yes, but with which attack?

Consider the potential beauty of, maybe this marketing research will help make future Dominion expansions better.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on April 26, 2016, 01:53:36 am
Kill me now.
Yes, but with which attack?

Consider the potential beauty of, maybe this marketing research will help make future Dominion expansions better.

I don't want to get Tortured or Cursed or anything nasty. I want it to be quick. I think a Knight will do nicely. It's quick, easy, and it sounds cool on a tombstone.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on April 26, 2016, 01:54:59 am
Might as well do this at any rate.

24 Rabble

41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Dingan on April 26, 2016, 01:57:06 am
I will sell my soul and finally vote on one of these dang brackets...

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on April 26, 2016, 01:57:53 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand

these were all really easy except for the last choice.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on April 26, 2016, 03:01:22 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse

37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on April 26, 2016, 07:14:10 am
I knew this was coming in the end...
24 Rabble
41 Thief Just for all the times I stole double platina

25 Jester See above
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior I love trashing other's decks
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat Discarding, Meh.

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant +$5? Heck yeah. Trashing? Curisng? Get rekt.
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman I like this card even though it sucks.

31 Relic Oh what's that? You had a lab in your hand? It's a cantrip now BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
34 Rogue

32 Pillage Gold, estate, estate, curse, copper. Descicions, Descicions
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on April 26, 2016, 09:23:24 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Witherweaver on April 26, 2016, 09:27:12 am
Kill me now.
Yes, but with which attack?

Consider the potential beauty of, maybe this marketing research will help make future Dominion expansions better.

I don't want to get Tortured or Cursed or anything nasty. I want it to be quick. I think a Knight will do nicely. It's quick, easy, and it sounds cool on a tombstone.

Drowning from the weight of Coppers from Ambassador. 
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Scion on April 26, 2016, 10:03:38 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand

Yay for having a proper single-elimination, seeded bracket. 
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on April 26, 2016, 11:44:45 am
Yay another one!


First round contenders:

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on April 26, 2016, 11:47:41 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier

38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage

33 Noble Brigand

I'm glad we finally got an attack bracket!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LostPhoenix on April 26, 2016, 11:47:59 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on April 26, 2016, 11:48:26 am
Also, Jester must win.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on April 26, 2016, 02:20:31 pm
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: pacovf on April 26, 2016, 03:14:00 pm
I haven't played with a lot of these, but might as well...

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

Tough one... basically I am not big on attacks that can either completely whiff or stump your turn/shuffle/deck.

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LastFootnote on April 26, 2016, 03:58:10 pm
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on April 26, 2016, 05:23:02 pm
29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

Did you mean to omit this matchup?
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on April 26, 2016, 06:00:18 pm
I'm on my phone, so forgive me if I vote by numbers:
24 25 39 38 28 29 30 34 33
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Witherweaver on April 26, 2016, 06:09:53 pm
29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

Did you mean to omit this matchup?

Fortune Teller already predicted the outcome.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: jsh357 on April 26, 2016, 06:14:38 pm
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Orange on April 27, 2016, 12:06:58 am
First round contenders:

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: kn1tt3r on April 27, 2016, 03:34:57 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on April 27, 2016, 10:49:44 am


First round contenders:

24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
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Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on April 27, 2016, 04:56:24 pm
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: brokoli on April 28, 2016, 06:36:17 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue - Rogue might actually be my favorite attack

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Mr Anderson on April 28, 2016, 07:30:48 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: navical on April 28, 2016, 09:11:20 am
24 Rabble
41 Thief

25 Jester
40 Saboteur

26 Warrior
39 Pirate Ship

27 Soldier
38 Bureaucrat

28 Cutpurse
37 Spy

29 Giant
36 Fortune Teller

30 Oracle
35 Taxman

31 Relic
34 Rogue

32 Pillage
33 Noble Brigand
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Feodum16 on April 30, 2016, 11:17:53 am
24 Rabble

25 Jester

26 Warrior

27 Soldier

37 Spy

29 Giant

35 Taxman

31 Relic

32 Pillage

Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 03, 2016, 12:35:46 am
Ok, it's been one week! The votes have been tallied, and the results are as follows:

Rabble 20
Thief 3

Jester 19
Saboteur 3

Warrior 9
Pirate Ship 14

Soldier 12
Bureaucrat 11

Cutpurse 20
Spy 3

Giant 17
Fortune Teller 5

Oracle 13
Taxman 10

Relic 14
Rogue 9

Pillage 14
Noble Brigand 9

Turns out people don't like weak attacks, especially Thief, Saboteur, and Spy. Soldier barely wins out over Bureaucrat. Only one upset: Pirate Ship over Warrior.

Second round matchups:

1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on May 03, 2016, 01:01:43 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on May 03, 2016, 01:06:08 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on May 03, 2016, 02:27:05 am

1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester
Jester is one of my favorite cards. it's just fun.

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship

Toughest choices were minion/knights, Young witch/haunted woods, and Militia/Marauder.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 03, 2016, 03:28:48 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse
SP is an amazing card, but it would be even better if it weren't an attack.

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship
Pirate ship deserved a better matchup than this. I love that card.

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer
Both very fun cards.

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag
I don't know swamp hag well enough yet. I like Sea Hag because it's one of the few curses that you'll sometimes choose to delay getting, and that will often lead to non-mirrors. Soothsayer as well.

14 Young Witch

19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on May 03, 2016, 09:00:32 am

Second round matchups:

1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 03, 2016, 09:50:28 am
Warrior is total BS, I'm glad it lost.

1 Ambassador

32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist

29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion

22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 03, 2016, 10:14:36 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch

39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LostPhoenix on May 03, 2016, 10:55:21 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 03, 2016, 11:12:37 am
1 Ambassador
32 Pillage
Both cards are unique, but pillage is meaner. Ambassador is to much of a insta-buy.
2 Mountebank
31 Relic
Same thing. Good cards are to annoying. Relic is interesting and a potent attack.
3 Goons
30 Oracle
I forget what oracle does.
4 Cultist
29 Giant
Down with the good cards.
5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse
I hate cutpurse. It makes your turns suck, and it never hits when I play it.
6 Followers
27 Soldier
Soldier just seems stupid, and I hate followers too. Followers wins simply because It's more brutal.
7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship
Pirate ship is lame, which gives witch the edge.
8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester
GOOOOOOO JESTER! It's banned in 4 or more player games, but it's still a fun card. Prince? Gimme one of those. Platinum? You can have it. JK! BWAHAHAHAHAH!
9 Swindler
24 Rabble
I love messing with people.
10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer
Soothsayer is boring, and torturer is more thematic.
11 Minion
22 Knights
I hate minion. It doesn't seem to have any use and trashing the crap out of an opponent’s deck is fun.
12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll
Familiar is to luck-based and I don't really like P cards.
13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag
Srsly? These two against each other? Swamp Hag's +$3 gives it the edge.
14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods
Bane cards are too much work.
15 Militia
18 Marauder
EDIT: I like militia better. Tough choice.
16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Both interesting attacks, but maragrave takes the win as an attack that doesn't make your opponent’s grumble as much.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: XD9 on May 03, 2016, 12:37:26 pm
Second Round Contenders:

1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship

Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 03, 2016, 02:54:44 pm

Second round matchups:

1 Ambassador

2 Mountebank

3 Goons

29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool

27 Soldier

7 Witch

25 Jester

9 Swindler

10 Torturer

11 Minion

21 Bridge Troll

20 Swamp Hag

19 Haunted Woods

18 Marauder

17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 04, 2016, 03:49:27 pm
Second round matchups:

1 Ambassador
32 Pillage

2 Mountebank
31 Relic

3 Goons
30 Oracle

4 Cultist
29 Giant

5 Scrying Pool
28 Cutpurse

6 Followers
27 Soldier

7 Witch
39 Pirate Ship

8 Urchin/Mercenary
25 Jester

9 Swindler
24 Rabble

10 Torturer
23 Soothsayer

11 Minion
22 Knights

12 Familiar
21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag
20 Swamp Hag

14 Young Witch
19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia
18 Marauder

16 Margrave
17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Feodum16 on May 04, 2016, 08:08:25 pm
1 Ambassador

31 Relic

3 Goons

4 Cultist

5 Scrying Pool

6 Followers

7 Witch

25 Jester

9 Swindler

23 Soothsayer

22 Knights

21 Bridge Troll

13 Sea Hag

19 Young Witch

18 Marauder

16 Margrave
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on May 05, 2016, 03:16:26 am
1 Ambassador

31 Relic I LOVE this card

3 Goons

4 Cultist

5 Scrying Pool

6 Followers

7 Witch

25 Jester

9 Swindler

10 Torturer

22 Knights

12 Familiar

20 Swamp Hag

19 Haunted Woods

15 Militia

17 Ghost Ship
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 05, 2016, 10:31:09 am
I think a week was a bit long for voting, and we have several more rounds left here, so voting for the current round will end approximately midnight EDT the morning of May 6. That's a little more than another half day.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 06, 2016, 04:41:53 am
The results of the second round have been tallied!

Ambassador 12
Pillage 2

Mountebank 6
Relic 8

Goons 13
Oracle 1

Cultist 9
Giant 5

Scrying Pool 10
Cutpurse 4

Followers 7
Soldier 7

Witch 13
Pirate Ship 0

Urchin/Mercenary 4
Jester 10

Swindler 8
Rabble 6

Torturer 7
Soothsayer 7

Minion 6
Knights 8

Familiar 5
Bridge Troll 9

Sea Hag 3
Swamp Hag 11

Young Witch 5
Haunted Woods 9

Militia 5
Marauder 9

Margrave 6
Ghost Ship 8

Relic pulls off an upset over Mountebank, Witch totally shuts out Pirate Ship, and all 3 Duration Attacks advance. I picked Followers over Soldier because Soldier's attack is mostly inoffensive, being mainly a stepping stone to the better Peasant upgrades, whereas Followers is a massive pain in the rear for anyone on the wrong end of it. I picked Soothsayer over Torturer because Soothsayer tends to require more thought to incorporate into your deck rather than mindless spamming.

The third round contenders are:

1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler

Votes will be counted late Monday night or Tuesday morning EDT.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: brokoli on May 06, 2016, 06:14:59 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 06, 2016, 06:19:38 am
Followers should never have beaten Soldier's awesomeness. It's much more than a stepping stone, and much more interesting than Followers.

1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder


3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods


4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag
What is Cultist even doing here?

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler

This is for most fun/favorite, right? Because I would obviously vote very differently if it's about power.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on May 06, 2016, 06:27:45 am
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic

3 Goons

4 Cultist

5 Scrying Pool

22 Knights

7 Witch

9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on May 06, 2016, 08:47:04 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Feodum16 on May 06, 2016, 09:05:30 am
1 Ambassador

31 Relic

3 Goons

4 Cultist

5 Scrying Pool

22 Knights

23 Soothsayer

9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 06, 2016, 09:17:13 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic

18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on May 06, 2016, 10:07:04 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 06, 2016, 10:50:22 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
C'mon Jester!
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 06, 2016, 10:54:32 am
What is Cultist even doing here?

People keep voting for it. It's like some sort of cult.

This is for most fun/favorite, right? Because I would obviously vote very differently if it's about power.

Yes. If it were about power then we could just throw out everything but Ambassador/Goons/Cultist/Mountebank and start from there.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Awaclus on May 06, 2016, 10:57:13 am
What is Cultist even doing here?

Cultist is super fun.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 06, 2016, 12:01:06 pm
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic

18 Marauder

3 Goons

19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist

20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch

23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 06, 2016, 02:10:15 pm
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic

3 Goons

20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool

22 Knights

7 Witch

9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Scion on May 06, 2016, 04:19:33 pm
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on May 06, 2016, 08:25:42 pm
What is Cultist even doing here?

People keep voting for it. It's like some sort of cult.

This is for most fun/favorite, right? Because I would obviously vote very differently if it's about power.

Yes. If it were about power then we could just throw out everything but Ambassador/Goons/Cultist/Mountebank and start from there.
I agree. How did Cultist beat Giant?  Giant is way more fun.

1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods
really tough choice here. But I like Goons as a VP gaining card, not so much as an attack.

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on May 07, 2016, 04:09:53 pm
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship
Ambassador is cool, but Ghost Ship is such an interesting twist on discard attacks.

31 Relic
18 Marauder
Relic is just so much fun.  I love having an attack I can't draw dead.

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods
Haunted Woods can sometimes help your opponent more than it hurts them, in my experience.

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag
I really like the choices involved when playing with this card, especially if there's weak or nonexistent trashing.

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll
I don't ever get either of these cards for the attack.  I love Bridge Troll; it's so easy to get multiples in play at once, even with very few splitters.

6 Followers
22 Knights
I would have voted for Soldier here if it had beaten Followers.  Knights are just too weak to pick up a lot of the time.

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer
Tough call here.  Neither of these are super fun compared to other Attacks, so I'll probably vote against whoever wins here in the next round.

25 Jester
9 Swindler
I love Swindler.  It's not always worth buying, but when it's good it's really good.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: papadjango on May 07, 2016, 04:52:00 pm
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 09, 2016, 11:05:54 am
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler

Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: gkrieg13 on May 09, 2016, 04:12:19 pm
1 Ambassador
17 Ghost Ship

31 Relic
18 Marauder

3 Goons
19 Haunted Woods

4 Cultist
20 Swamp Hag

5 Scrying Pool
21 Bridge Troll

6 Followers
22 Knights

7 Witch
23 Soothsayer

25 Jester
9 Swindler
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 11, 2016, 01:09:58 pm
Third round voting is over! Here are the results:

Ambassador 7
Ghost Ship 9

Relic 11
Marauder 5

Goons 12
Haunted Woods 4

Cultist 9
Swamp Hag 7

Scrying Pool 7
Bridge Troll 9

Followers 2
Knights 14

Witch 6
Soothsayer 9

Jester 10
Swindler 6

I am sad to see Swamp Hag go; she has an interesting and unique effect. I am not sad to see Scrying Pool go; it's barely even an attack.

Here are the matchups for the fourth round:

17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on May 11, 2016, 01:11:47 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester - I predict Jester going all the way for the win.

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on May 11, 2016, 01:16:37 pm

25 Jester

31 Relic

22 Knights

4 Cultist
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: brokoli on May 11, 2016, 01:19:43 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
- I think I would have loved this card if there wasn't the chaining effect. It's an over-powered card I dislike, but still funnier than Bridge Troll
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on May 11, 2016, 01:35:09 pm
Ghost Ship
Relic
Goons
Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on May 11, 2016, 02:06:17 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 11, 2016, 02:30:51 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester - It's so sad to see my two favorites fight. I'll have to go with Jester, though.

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist

21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on May 11, 2016, 04:51:01 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 11, 2016, 05:29:27 pm

Ghost Ship
Relic
Goons
Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Dingan on May 11, 2016, 05:48:56 pm

Ghost Ship
Relic
Goons
Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 11, 2016, 05:57:19 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist

21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: SirSlugma on May 11, 2016, 07:03:47 pm
25 Jester
23 Soothsayer
3 Goons
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 13, 2016, 03:26:58 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 13, 2016, 04:19:15 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 13, 2016, 04:41:19 pm
17 Ghost Ship
25 Jester

31 Relic
23 Soothsayer

3 Goons
22 Knights

4 Cultist
21 Bridge Troll
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 16, 2016, 02:28:53 pm
Ok, fourth round results have been tallied!

Ghost Ship 4
Jester 10

Relic 9
Soothsayer 5

Goons 8
Knights 6

Cultist 5
Bridge Troll 9

With Cultist gone, Goons is the only "strong" attack left. The rest are somewhere in the middle of the power rankings.

Semifinal matchups:

Jester
Bridge Troll

Relic
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on May 16, 2016, 02:33:32 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/e/e2/Goons.jpg/377px-Goons.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LostPhoenix on May 16, 2016, 02:44:25 pm
Jester
Bridge Troll

Relic
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: SirSlugma on May 16, 2016, 03:14:39 pm
Bridge Troll
Goons

Hey, I like myself some cost reduction.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 16, 2016, 03:20:00 pm
Relic/Jester.

Goons and Bridge Troll juat have attacks tacked on so I voted against them.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 16, 2016, 03:23:46 pm
Jester
Goons

Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: schadd on May 16, 2016, 03:33:53 pm
okay seriously why would anyone ever like cultist. like, are you forgetting about most cultist games
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 16, 2016, 04:37:37 pm
Jester Relic
Relic is just ok, but I actively dislike Goons as an attack.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: wachsmuth on May 16, 2016, 04:43:37 pm
Jester, Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on May 16, 2016, 04:45:30 pm
Bridge Troll
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Beyond Awesome on May 16, 2016, 04:54:47 pm
Bridge Troll
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on May 16, 2016, 08:12:18 pm
Bridge Troll
Relic
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on May 16, 2016, 08:16:42 pm
Jester

Relic
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: J Reggie on May 16, 2016, 08:35:10 pm
Bridge Troll
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 16, 2016, 08:40:20 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/e/e2/Goons.jpg/377px-Goons.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: gkrieg13 on May 16, 2016, 09:34:35 pm
Bridge Troll
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on May 17, 2016, 12:03:09 am
With Cultist gone, Goons is the only "strong" attack left. The rest are somewhere in the middle of the power rankings.
Goons is a strong card, but not a particularly strong attack.

Jester
Bridge Troll

Relic
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on May 17, 2016, 12:03:38 am
Bridge Troll
Relic
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: papadjango on May 17, 2016, 04:45:28 am
Jester
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Dingan on May 17, 2016, 01:07:37 pm
Jester
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 18, 2016, 09:25:05 am
My money is on Jester to take home the trophy.

The winner gets a trophy, right?
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Tombolo on May 19, 2016, 11:48:19 am
Jester
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 20, 2016, 01:14:43 pm
Semifinal matchups:

Jester
Bridge Troll
This one is a toss up for me, so I am going on the benefit to me as the deciding factor.

Relic
Goons
I really do love double Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 20, 2016, 01:29:04 pm
Semifinal matchups:

Jester
Bridge Troll
This one is a toss up for me, so I am going on the benefit to me as the deciding factor.

Relic
Goons
I really do love double Goons

I myself prefer triple or quadruple Goons.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 20, 2016, 04:20:47 pm
Semifinal matchups:

Jester
Bridge Troll
This one is a toss up for me, so I am going on the benefit to me as the deciding factor.

Relic
Goons
I really do love double Goons

I myself prefer triple or quadruple Goons.

I agree that's better, just not as simple to make happen.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 20, 2016, 05:31:59 pm
Semifinals are over!

Jester 12
Bridge Troll 8

Relic 6
Goons 14

Final matchup: Jester vs. Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: yuma on May 20, 2016, 05:32:49 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 20, 2016, 05:33:34 pm
Go Jester go!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 20, 2016, 05:36:09 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on May 20, 2016, 05:40:08 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Limetime on May 20, 2016, 05:43:11 pm
Goons!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 20, 2016, 05:56:04 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/1/1b/Jester.jpg/375px-Jester.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 20, 2016, 05:58:08 pm
Goons!
BOOOOOOOOOO!

The bandwagon effect isn't working, time to switch to plan B.

On a more serious note, Goons is boring because it's and OP card with a random attack stuck on. IMO the attack should have been dropped to add an extra buy and coins.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 20, 2016, 06:02:51 pm
My avatar is my vote.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LaLight on May 20, 2016, 06:13:11 pm
Jester of course! (I was a little hoping relic will win... oh sweet dreams)
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: gkrieg13 on May 20, 2016, 06:32:07 pm
Goons!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LostPhoenix on May 20, 2016, 06:46:01 pm
Jester

I love Goons, but the militia attack is definitely not the reason why.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: math on May 20, 2016, 06:53:56 pm
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on May 20, 2016, 07:49:57 pm
Jester


As well as being one of my favorite cards, it also the favorite card of my friend who I recently taught how to play.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Dingan on May 20, 2016, 07:52:34 pm
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: SirSlugma on May 21, 2016, 07:30:39 am
Goons!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: schadd on May 21, 2016, 09:20:37 am
goons. it does all of the end-of-turn stuff that you want
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 21, 2016, 09:46:57 am
goons. it does all of the end-of-turn stuff that you want
You guys are voting for goons because it's an alt-vp card, not because it attacks. Goons doesn't deserve to win, most of the time the attack is the icing on the cake and it's the VP's your after. It does all the end-of turn-stuff? If it's the last turn the attack means nothing.* Jester's central focus is an attack. And it can get you goons.

*Edge Case: Opponent discarding tunnels to power up his gardens. Or a setup for the pin where you trash his hand of VP cards.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Hugovj on May 21, 2016, 10:23:36 am
Jester
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: traces Around on May 21, 2016, 11:36:54 am
You guys are voting for goons because it's an alt-vp card, not because it attacks. Goons doesn't deserve to win, most of the time the attack is the icing on the cake and it's the VP's your after. It does all the end-of turn-stuff? If it's the last turn the attack means nothing.* Jester's central focus is an attack. And it can get you goons.

That sounds kind of like a gainer to me. The potential for attack is variable and only sometimes hits. So jester is just a gainer which sometimes happens to attack when it doesn't do it's real job (edge cases with guaranteed cursing accepted, and as an added bonus, I don't really care). Goons is alt-vp which always attacks. Hmmmm.

Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 21, 2016, 11:56:40 am
You guys are voting for goons because it's an alt-vp card, not because it attacks. Goons doesn't deserve to win, most of the time the attack is the icing on the cake and it's the VP's your after. It does all the end-of turn-stuff? If it's the last turn the attack means nothing.* Jester's central focus is an attack. And it can get you goons.

That sounds kind of like a gainer to me. The potential for attack is variable and only sometimes hits. So jester is just a gainer which sometimes happens to attack when it doesn't do it's real job (edge cases with guaranteed cursing accepted, and as an added bonus, I don't really care). Goons is alt-vp which always attacks. Hmmmm.

Goons
When it discards Goons from the top of your deck sure you get a goons, but it just prevented you from playing one of your good cards during this shuffle. That could be a sizeable attack if it's the only goons in your deck. Sure, that won't always happen, but 9 times out of 10 it will either discard a good card or junk with a bad one.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 21, 2016, 11:58:26 am
You guys are voting for goons because it's an alt-vp card, not because it attacks. Goons doesn't deserve to win, most of the time the attack is the icing on the cake and it's the VP's your after. It does all the end-of turn-stuff? If it's the last turn the attack means nothing.* Jester's central focus is an attack. And it can get you goons.

That sounds kind of like a gainer to me. The potential for attack is variable and only sometimes hits. So jester is just a gainer which sometimes happens to attack when it doesn't do it's real job (edge cases with guaranteed cursing accepted, and as an added bonus, I don't really care). Goons is alt-vp which always attacks. Hmmmm.

Goons

Nobody is arguing that Jester is more powerful than Goons. Goons is an OP card that dominates boards in a fun way, but it nevertheless dominates them, and that's no fun in the long run. I mean, I suspect that there are more games where I skip Province than games where I skip Goons.

Jester sounds like an interesting card, oh it doesn't always have the same effect, cool! And tell me more about this weird thing, sometimes you can win without it? What an interesting concept!
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: werothegreat on May 21, 2016, 12:04:13 pm
Goons.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: traces Around on May 21, 2016, 12:29:39 pm
When it discards Goons from the top of your deck sure you get a goons, but it just prevented you from playing one of your good cards during this shuffle. That could be a sizeable attack if it's the only goons in your deck. Sure, that won't always happen, but 9 times out of 10 it will either discard a good card or junk with a bad one.
Sea Hag.

But to be honest, I think you are missing the point. You claimed that jester was somehow more favoritism-inducing than goons as an attack because the isolated attack from goons is not that interesting. I claim that jester is the same way, and so when you say that goons votes are only for the non-attack and this somehow gives jester some higher ground, you are mistaken. I couldn't care less why I vote for goons, but this as a reason to vote against it is poor.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 21, 2016, 01:13:37 pm
I don't buy jester for the attack either(I buy it to gain good cards)
When it discards Goons from the top of your deck sure you get a goons, but it just prevented you from playing one of your good cards during this shuffle. That could be a sizeable attack if it's the only goons in your deck. Sure, that won't always happen, but 9 times out of 10 it will either discard a good card or junk with a bad one.
Sea Hag.

But to be honest, I think you are missing the point. You claimed that jester was somehow more favoritism-inducing than goons as an attack because the isolated attack from goons is not that interesting. I claim that jester is the same way, and so when you say that goons votes are only for the non-attack and this somehow gives jester some higher ground, you are mistaken. I couldn't care less why I vote for goons, but this as a reason to vote against it is poor.
I guess I get your point. I sill think goons isn't that good of an attack card, it's more of an alt-VP card. But I can see reasons why you would vote it over jester.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: brokoli on May 21, 2016, 01:18:01 pm
Jester is not comparable to the other gainers, because you don't really know what you will gain. I see it like a good card that does some random good stuff. It has a really nice and interesting effect. Amazing art. And it's a cornucopia card.

So, Jester.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: XerxesPraelor on May 21, 2016, 04:29:38 pm
Jester is not comparable to the other gainers, because you don't really know what you will gain. I see it like a good card that does some random good stuff. It has a really nice and interesting effect. Amazing art. And it's a cornucopia card.

So, Jester.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 21, 2016, 04:33:28 pm
Goons is a better engine card, and even though the attack is weaker for a $6, the pressure Goons can put on an opposing player is a psychological attack as well. The threat of a game getting out of hand is a powerful weapon.

Goons.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 22, 2016, 01:20:46 pm
I wonder why Jester is everyone's favorite.

We should do a least favorite attack bracket.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Max on May 22, 2016, 02:36:02 pm
Goons.

I hate Goons, but "discard to 3" is way better than "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad". Compare to Soothsayer "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 22, 2016, 03:00:48 pm
Goons.

I hate Goons, but "discard to 3" is way better than "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad". Compare to Soothsayer "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad.

Well, you're neglecting the part where playing Jester helps your economy this turn, while Soothsayer actively improves your opponent's next turn.

Regarding Goons, it's true that both it and Jester are cards that you often get for the non-Attack part, but in Jester the two parts work well together, while Goons' attack feels very tacked-on, even more so since it wouldn't need it to be an amazing card.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2016, 03:06:22 pm
Goons.

I hate Goons, but "discard to 3" is way better than "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad". Compare to Soothsayer "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad.

Well, "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad" is still a lot better than "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad". After all, the former has a possibility of gaining a card that you actually want.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 22, 2016, 03:51:55 pm
Goons.

I hate Goons, but "discard to 3" is way better than "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad". Compare to Soothsayer "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad.

Well, "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad" is still a lot better than "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad". After all, the former has a possibility of gaining a card that you actually want.

I didn't know you were SCSN.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2016, 03:59:47 pm
Goons.

I hate Goons, but "discard to 3" is way better than "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad". Compare to Soothsayer "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad.

Well, "maybe gain a card that you want, maybe give your opponent something bad" is still a lot better than "give you a gold, give your opponent something bad". After all, the former has a possibility of gaining a card that you actually want.

I didn't know you were SCSN.

We're all WW.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 22, 2016, 04:04:47 pm
We're all WW.

And SCSN is WW, which means you can of course also be SCSN, since he is basically WW.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Willvon on May 22, 2016, 09:22:31 pm
Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: navical on May 23, 2016, 09:16:12 am
Jester
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 23, 2016, 12:44:05 pm
GOONS
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: singletee on May 24, 2016, 01:46:56 pm
In a very close vote, Jester is the winner, 13-12!

Jester is unpredictable yet well-balanced (except in 4p+, oh boy) and even when it's very strong, it doesn't make the game suck.

But how about the new attacks, Catapult and Enchantress? How do you think they will measure up? Discuss.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: SuperHans on May 24, 2016, 02:52:22 pm
I don't want to overreact because I haven't even played with the new cards yet, but Enchantress is top 1.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Seprix on May 24, 2016, 03:50:22 pm
They won't hold up to Goons/Jester, and I want to wait to see the other attacks first.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2016, 04:41:48 pm
I'm surprised we didn't make a favorite Empires preview card bracket.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Beyond Awesome on May 24, 2016, 05:53:13 pm
Jester is my all that great. Surprised to see it win. Although, had I voted, I would have gone with Goons
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Accatitippi on May 24, 2016, 05:56:50 pm
In a very close vote, Jester is the winner, 13-12!

Jester is unpredictable yet well-balanced (except in 4p+, oh boy) and even when it's very strong, it doesn't make the game suck.

But how about the new attacks, Catapult and Enchantress? How do you think they will measure up? Discuss.

What a great victory for People who are Right over Folks who are Wrong.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: McGarnacle on May 24, 2016, 06:54:58 pm
Jester is so much fun. Everything about the card is amazing. It's the closest thing to a perfect card in Dominion. Next game I will start both players with 10 Jesters, and we will play from there  :).

Okay, I'll stop gushing about Jester now.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 24, 2016, 07:22:41 pm
Jester is so much fun. Everything about the card is amazing. It's the closest thing to a perfect card in Dominion. Next game I will start both players with 10 Jesters, and we will play from there  :).

Okay, I'll stop gushing about Jester now.
You'll need to buy a lot of Cornucopia sets for that...
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on May 24, 2016, 07:26:14 pm
But how about the new attacks, Catapult and Enchantress? How do you think they will measure up? Discuss.
They both seem top-tier stuff. Catapulting a rocks is very mean. And enchantress, oh man that will really make some people mad. Just imagine playing your tournament to get followers only to receive a cantrip. Or not being able to prince that militia, or not being able to to put teacher on the tavern mat, the list goes on.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 19, 2016, 04:18:45 pm
I vote Goons.
Title: Re: Favorite Attack Bracket
Post by: Deadlock39 on August 19, 2016, 05:41:15 pm
I vote Goons.

Necro Wars is that way (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14917).