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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: Moneymodel on April 07, 2016, 02:43:46 pm
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Following liopoil's example, I've created a bracket for alt-VP cards! This includes all types of alternative strategies to Province/Colony. Scaling cards, fixed cards, and VP chip cards are all present here. An argument can be made that these types of cards shouldn't be compared to one another, but this was the way to make it 8, 16 or even 12 without making arbitrary decisions, like including Nobles and not Harem.
1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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I don't know why I enjoy these so much. But they are kinda fun!
1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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I really wish there was a forum extension for polls of this type.
Anyway...
1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
The seeding was a damn crime. Fairgrounds/Gardens r1? Monument as a 2?
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
Aww hard one!
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
Bishop is one of my top 3 cards.
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
I really like how many fun cards synergize with Duke.
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
Distant Lands is so good!
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
And Feodum is just really fun.
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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The seeding was a damn crime. Fairgrounds/Gardens r1? Monument as a 2?
I used Qvist's rankings as a starting point. Might be I could have messed with it a little more than I did.
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Time to pick everything that combos with Scout!
16, 14, 12, 7, 8, 11, 4, 15
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I think almost every single one of these cards could have a chance of being part of my most favoritist among all Dominion cards. Really it's only Great Hall and Nobles that I'm indifferent towards and I haven't played enough with Distant Lands yet to have solid feelings about it.
1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
Picking Farmland over Monument pains me a little. Monument is so straightforward and always feels great to play (oh VP chips, how I love you). But Farmland has the potential for interesting tactical considerations and is just one of those cards that I always want to try interesting things with even if I know they're probably terrible.
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
I confess, I don't actually know distant lands because I have never played adventures, but I like island so I don't feel so bad.
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
There seems to be a wave of brackets going around the forum lately.
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There seems to be a wave of brackets going around the forum lately.
We will eventually have a bracket bracket to find the best bracket.
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There seems to be a wave of brackets going around the forum lately.
We will eventually have a bracket bracket to find the best bracket.
But will it be included in itself? Yes, obviously.
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1. Goons - 100+ VP, yes please
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem - I don't like Bishop, never been good with it
5. Duke
12. Tunnel - Gains you metric fucktons of gold
7. Nobles - The Necropolis option is meh, but a terminal draw card that's worth 2 points is pretty awesome
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens - The original Alt-VP, still awesome as ever
6. Distant Lands
11. Island - They're rather similar, but DL just exiles itself, Island is more flexible
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum - All those yummy combos. Masterpiece, Trader, Amulet, Raid...
2. Monument
15. Farmland - Both are not extremely interesting, but I played a game today with Contraband as the only +Buy where I used Farmland to circumvent the Province ban. So that was pretty cool. If I just played a KC/Monument game, I'd probably have voted Monument.
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
I should have picked your username :).
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
Man, I haaaaaaaatteee Goons. It is just a boringly stupid strong card.
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
Bit of a toss up here. I like them both!
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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16, 3, 5, 10, 8, 11, 4, 2
Not much of a fan of many of these really. I like fairgrounds, great hall, vineyard, and monument a fair bit, but meh on the rest.
EDIT: Fixed, that's what I get for changing my mind.
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16, 3, 5, 10, 11, 6, 4, 2
Not much of a fan of many of these really. I like fairgrounds, great hall, vineyard, and monument a fair bit, but meh on the rest.
Fair enough. But looks like you have Distant Lands and Island voted, but neither Fairgrounds nor Gardens. I assume you choose Fairgrounds, but what about between the other two?
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall - Goons dominate too many games - they go on forever.
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel - interesting reaction
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall - Goons dominate too many games
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens - This should have been the final
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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At work and in a hurry so I just wanna get my vote in before the next round
1 3 5 10 9 6 4 2
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Alt-VP ! *o*
1. Goons
16. Great Hall - Goons is pretty clearly more interesting than GH but too strong
3. Bishop - Tfb are part of the most interesting cards in Dominion, and they are so fun…
14. Harem
5. Duke - Very tough choice but Duke usually enable more fun strategies
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds - Difficult choice.
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island - I feel an irrationnal love for Island
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland - Juste love the tactical decisions this card adds to the game.
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1. Goons
16. Great Hall
3. Bishop
14. Harem
5. Duke
12. Tunnel
7. Nobles
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
9. Gardens
6. Distant Lands
11. Island
This one was the only tough decision for me.
4. Vineyard
13. Feodum
2. Monument
15. Farmland
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All right, I think I'll wrap this round up! I'm starting the count at 9:30, a specific time to avoid favoritism.
There were no ties this time, though there were some really tough battles. I didn't vote (my vote would have actually created a tie). Let's see what we have here:
1. Goons - 21
16. Great Hall - 8
3. Bishop - 26
14. Harem - 3
This was the biggest crushing out of all of them.
5. Duke - 15
12. Tunnel - 14
7. Nobles - 14
10. Silk Road - 15
8. Fairgrounds - 19
9. Gardens - 10
6. Distant Lands - 15
11. Island - 14
4. Vineyard - 20
13. Feodum - 9
2. Monument - 19
15. Farmland - 10
So despite some close ones, we have only one upset: Silk Road over Nobles.
Next post will be round two.
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1 5 8 4
goons, vineyard, and fairgrounds are like all in my top 10 favorite cards
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
How did Monument get to the second round?
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
How did Monument get to the second round?
Monument was up against Farmland. Also our votes are the same, yay!
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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People are really voting Goons over Bishop?
Bishop is faster, more interesting and more fun. Goons is only stronger.
Bishop
Duke
Distant lands
Vineyard
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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3, 10, 8, 4
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The thing is, this is the only Alt VP bracket, so it obviously has to be the favorite one.
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The thing is, this is the only Alt VP bracket, so it obviously has to be the favorite one.
It's also the one you hate the most.
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
Goons is definitely stronger, but I enjoy playing Bishop much more
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
This was a tough one for me. I like the challenge of collecting victory cards for Silk Road without wrecking your deck, but fighting with your opponent for that Duke/Duchy supremacy is a lot of fun.
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
For me, Fairgrounds was seeded much too low. So though I like Distant Lands, my favorite is Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
I guess I like collecting things.
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1. Goons
3. Bishop
5. Duke
10. Silk Road
8. Fairgrounds
6. Distant Lands
4. Vineyard
2. Monument
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1, 5, 6, and 4
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OK, let's put an end to the second round. The totals are:
1. Goons 15
3. Bishop 10
5. Duke 16
10. Silk Road 9
8. Fairgrounds 14
6. Distant Lands 11
4. Vineyard 20
2. Monument 5
So two upsets this time, Fairgrounds over Distant Lands and Vineyard over Monument. Though, it may easily be that the seeding was off with these, so they're not shocking upsets, I guess?
Now it gets really interesting...
1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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58
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58
14
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54
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58
14
Best start ever.
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Quick, vote for 18
EDIT: Nope.
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14
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14
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18
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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54.
I'm holding a grudge against Goons for beating the best card in the contest.
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54.
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58
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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14
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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Duke / Fairgrounds
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Duke / Fairgrounds
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Goons / Vineyard
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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14
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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1. Goons
5. Duke
8. Fairgrounds
4. Vineyard
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14
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Duke / Fairgrounds.
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54
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18
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1 4
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Fewer votes this time around, but it's been two days now and the favorites seem fairly clear.
1. Goons - 17
5. Duke - 10
8. Fairgrounds - 9
4. Vineyard - 18
Final battle: seed 1 vs seed 4.
Goons, or Vineyard?
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Goons.
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Vineyard
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Vineyard.
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Vineyard
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Boo. Fairgrounds is awesome.
But goons
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Goons
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Vineyard
This is possibly my favorite pitted against least favorite.
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1. Goons - 17
4. Vineyard - 18
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Vineyard
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Vineyard
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Goons
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Vineyard
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Vineyard
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Vineyard
I love Goons for all of its things, but as an alt-VP card, Vineyard is tops
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Gooooons?
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It's a close one, but I'll go with Goons.
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Goons sucks. Long live vineyards!
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Vineyard; goons sucks because it's so good.
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Vineyard. Goons might be my least favorite alt-vp card… and I usually prefer 100% green alt-vp, because most of them are vp depending on a certain type of card, which is one of my favorite things in Dominion. (Duke, you will stay forever in my heart)
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Vineyard
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Vineyard is just too fun.
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Vineyard.
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Vineyard
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The winner is Vineyard!
1. Goons - 7
2. Vineyard - 18
One of my top picks at the beginning, probably the top pick.
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booo