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Title: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 07:59:35 am
As much fun as it is to keep a long topic going, I was trying to search for a video I posted in the Random Stuff II thread, but showing all 230 pages kept choking my browser. So it's clearly gone on too far.

My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Infthitbox on January 07, 2016, 09:45:00 am
My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.

You just need to free your mind from needless orderings; 1/4 - 1/8 expresses the same range as 1/8 - 1/4. The fact that we seem to always order from lowest to highest is an arbitrary construction.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 10:36:51 am
As much fun as it is to keep a long topic going, I was trying to search for a video I posted in the Random Stuff II thread, but showing all 230 pages kept choking my browser. So it's clearly gone on too far.

My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.

See, it should really be an en-dash, 1/4--1/8.  Otherwise it's indistinguishable from 1/4-1/8 = 1/8. 

Also, why do you want 1/8--1/4 over 1/4--1/8? 

Edit: Oh, I see, because you want [a,b] with a < b. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 10:42:30 am
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 10:44:17 am
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony. 

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Infthitbox on January 07, 2016, 10:46:14 am
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony. 

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 10:48:18 am
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony. 

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.

I'm fine with either.  '8 Jan' and 'Jan 8' are equivalent for me to read, and obviously much better than '8/1' vs '1/8'.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 07, 2016, 10:56:13 am
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony. 

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.

I use the 01 Jan 2016 format for just about everything even here in the US.  Haters gonna hate, but there are only three correct date formats:

01 January 2016
01 Jan 2016, for when you don't have enough space
20160101

Unix date is "correct" but rarely actually displayed because it's only readable by the computer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 07, 2016, 11:03:26 am
My favorite, usually seen on my employees request sheet, looks something like this:

M/D1-D2/Y

This was exciting to figure out during Q4 a few years ago.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 11:04:24 am
'8 Jan' and 'Jan 8' are equivalent for me to read, and obviously much better than '8/1' vs '1/8'.

Indeed, there is no confusion whatsoever with 8 Jan or Jan 8. Well, okay, if I type Jan 16, one could misinterpret that to mean January of 2016, so it's not perfect.

Kirian's dates are unambiguous. I sign my paperwork as 7 Jan 2016. When I label folders, I will use 20160107 because an alphabetical sort is identical to a chronological sort, and that's beautiful. I wrinkle my nose when people label folders as 01072016 because all the Januarys are clumped together. Also, that can be confusing when comparing it to the European format, but Jan2016 still has the problem of clumping together when sorting alphabetically.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 11:43:20 am
And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony. 
 

Serves those little bastards right for snooping in my To-Do list on OneNote. GTFO, man.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on January 07, 2016, 11:45:17 am
My hobby: eating something, then checking the expiry date, "15Jan16", and wonder how the rest of the week is going to go.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 07, 2016, 12:12:30 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 07, 2016, 12:35:32 pm
I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CReOkZBUAAAbB89.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 07, 2016, 12:43:40 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.

1) If you're just doing maths to pass your exam, you will get marks for working even if you get the final answer wrong. For example if it's a 4 mark question, and you do everything right but accidentally do 23 x 4 = 82 in your working, you'll almost certainly get 3 marks for it. If you just wrote 82 as your final answer, you would likely get 0.

2) If you're actually doing maths IRL, it makes it less likely you'll make a mistake as you're writing numbers down as you go, and that makes it more likely you won't forget a number as you go and might spot an error you were about to make.

3) If you do actually make a mistake, and get a final answer you know is incorrect (e.g. you're calculating the chance of getting some card draw in Dominion and calculate it as a 120% chance) you can go back and look at what you've done, making it much more likely you'll spot your mistake.

That's just three reasons off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 07, 2016, 12:58:52 pm
I have to do it just because it makes it so much easier to think when I don't have to worry about forgetting things (which is also why I always play Dominion with the VP counter).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 07, 2016, 01:15:27 pm
I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 01:38:56 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.
 

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.

I do that too. It makes it a little easier to update years later. I do like to combine formulas to avoid needless calculations, but it can be tricky to decipher a really long and convoluted formula.

Although I'm not sure that combining would reduce the calculations.

If you have IF(VLOOKUP(A1,A:B, 2)=2, TRUE, FALSE) in C1, then would that save processing time compared to having VLOOKUP(A1,A:B,2) in C1 and IF(C1=2, TRUE, FALSE) in D1? It seems the same number of steps, but is there a saving when the nested function is resolved within the main function?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 02:36:57 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.
 

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

He just means that we don't need "Random Stuff III" because we have "KC is far more skippable than people think."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on January 07, 2016, 02:45:09 pm
You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Kuildeous on January 07, 2016, 02:59:39 pm
You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 03:00:31 pm
You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.

Ah, there's your problem right there.  You have to check the Dominion subforums to get the non-Dominion stuff.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part V
Post by: enfynet on January 07, 2016, 03:02:15 pm
You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.
You aren't missing much. It has become a meta-discussion about how we discuss things on F.DS.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part IV
Post by: Awaclus on January 07, 2016, 03:12:54 pm
I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff

In that case, you should check it out because it's non-Dominion stuff.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 07, 2016, 03:21:40 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.
 

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.

I do that too. It makes it a little easier to update years later. I do like to combine formulas to avoid needless calculations, but it can be tricky to decipher a really long and convoluted formula.

Although I'm not sure that combining would reduce the calculations.

If you have IF(VLOOKUP(A1,A:B, 2)=2, TRUE, FALSE) in C1, then would that save processing time compared to having VLOOKUP(A1,A:B,2) in C1 and IF(C1=2, TRUE, FALSE) in D1? It seems the same number of steps, but is there a saving when the nested function is resolved within the main function?
We didn't need part II, either.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 07, 2016, 03:25:50 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.
 

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.

I do that too. It makes it a little easier to update years later. I do like to combine formulas to avoid needless calculations, but it can be tricky to decipher a really long and convoluted formula.

Although I'm not sure that combining would reduce the calculations.

If you have IF(VLOOKUP(A1,A:B, 2)=2, TRUE, FALSE) in C1, then would that save processing time compared to having VLOOKUP(A1,A:B,2) in C1 and IF(C1=2, TRUE, FALSE) in D1? It seems the same number of steps, but is there a saving when the nested function is resolved within the main function?
We didn't need part II, either.

Random stuff is at least 67% more skippable than people think.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on January 07, 2016, 03:32:20 pm
Random stuff is at least 67% more skippable than people think.

Whoa, it's 167% skippable?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on January 07, 2016, 04:51:06 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.
Never show your work. You know the answer, your reader knows the answer, so what's the point of showing your work? Even if your reader wants to know how you came up with the answer, that's none of their business. Even if there is a chance that you made a silly mistake, don't bother showing work because there's a risk you'll copy things down wrong. Besides, you might confuse your reader by using a method which wasn't the one they had in mind, so it's better to just give the result and have them assume you solved it the same way as them.

(Note for anyone who was going to take this post seriously: don't take this post seriously)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 04:54:09 pm
The idea of "showing your work" is stupid.  Your work is the answer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 07, 2016, 05:03:39 pm
Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.

It depends on what you mean by basic math.  I usually think in big steps.  I try to get the intuition behind a problem first, and then make sure that each step in the reasoning actually works.  When you break things down small enough, you know that something is obviously true and you don't need to show work for it anymore.  If you're in fourth grade multiplying 56 by 47, you probably don't need to show by hand that 6 times 7 is 42 (by actually adding 6+6+6+6+6+6+6), because you're at the point where you've memorized that already.  If you're in algebra you may not be expected to show how you got 15*3=45 because it's expected that you can do that easily at this point.  If you're in calculus you won't need to show every step in solving an equation like 5x+12=2x-6 because it's assumed that you can do that easily.

After a certain point, there are diminishing returns for showing your work.  There are all of the advantages Tables mentioned, but if you (and your audience) can do something so consistently that you're unlikely to make a mistake with it anyway, then writing down all the details takes more time than it will save you in the long run.

Of course, this really only applies to more computational math.  In more proof-oriented math, you could say that the entire problem itself is to show your work.  But even then, you generally assume that your audience can accept a lot of the basic details without you stating them, or else you at least refer them to other work that has worked out those details for you.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on January 07, 2016, 05:24:52 pm
Working in a place where maths (and related exercises) underpins a lot of what we do but where there are plenty of people whose job is not to understand the particularly complicated aspects of it, I've learned that it is really important to have done all your working and recorded it, but to only present what's relevant. Found an equation that will save the organisation a million dollars? Great - have a colleague double-check the working, but when you present it to management they probably don't even want to see the equation, let alone the working, they want to see the plan that will let you put it into production without unduly affecting exisiting work.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part VI
Post by: enfynet on January 07, 2016, 07:47:42 pm
Of course, this really only applies to more computational math.  In more proof-oriented math, you could say that the entire problem itself is to show your work.  But even then, you generally assume that your audience can accept a lot of the basic details without you stating them, or else you at least refer them to other work that has worked out those details for you.
You mean Proofs like this one?

(http://www.probabilityof.com/ICON/MATH.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 07, 2016, 08:00:43 pm
Step 1 should be addition, not multiplication.

The statement in step 4 is not axiomatic and needs further proof.  For the record, the actual line is that "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".

The proof is flawed!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 07, 2016, 08:02:33 pm
"root" does not imply square root.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part VII
Post by: enfynet on January 07, 2016, 08:04:40 pm
Step 1 should be addition, not multiplication.

The statement in step 4 is not axiomatic and needs further proof.  For the record, the actual line is that "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil".

The proof is flawed!
Well of course the proof is flawed, but that doesn't make it less of a proof.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part VII
Post by: LastFootnote on January 08, 2016, 01:27:51 am
Well of course the proof is flawed, but that doesn't make it less of a proof.

Prove it!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 08, 2016, 04:17:29 am
Step 1 should be addition, not multiplication.

But multiplication is the equivalent of "and". "Or" is the equivalent of addition.

Well, at least in some contexts.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Qvist on January 08, 2016, 05:51:03 am
Man, the English language has sometimes some weird pronunciation, like the pronunciation of the word "gauge" makes no sense at all. It has neither an "e" nor an "i" in the word what you would expect.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 08, 2016, 06:25:49 am
Man, the English language has sometimes some weird pronunciation, like the pronunciation of the word "gauge" makes no sense at all. It has neither an "e" nor an "i" in the word what you would expect.

How are you pronouncing it?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Qvist on January 08, 2016, 06:52:04 am
ɡeɪdʒ
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 08, 2016, 07:14:33 am
ɡeɪdʒ

Makes sense.

Think of it as gay-eej.

Speaking of pronouncing things, while in Germany, I realized German is impossible.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 08, 2016, 07:46:38 am
I have passing knowledge of Spanish and Japanese (well, less passable than before; I can read translation dictionaries). I am amused that I can mostly pronounce words from both languages the same way. Assuming romaji of course. There are some notable differences, such as J, and Japanese has some subtle rules for double letters.

So I like to think that I can order the dishes okay in Mexican and Japanese restaurants. From my very limited exposure to linguistics, it seems that a lot of foreign words can be BSed by using the same vowel-pronunciation scheme as Spanish and Japanese. I know not to try that nonsense in French or German restaurants.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 08, 2016, 08:45:12 am
I like gawj.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think gaw-j for the verb form and gay-j for the noun form.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 08, 2016, 09:14:10 am
Quote

I see. Do go on.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on January 08, 2016, 10:41:00 am
Quote                                                    ^^^^
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 08, 2016, 11:47:28 am
I like gawj.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think gaw-j for the verb form and gay-j for the noun form.

I though the verb gawj was written gouge?  As in I'll gouge out your eyes and eat them for breakfast.

Gauge is more like gauge the distance from here to there. 

I guess I could look it up, but I feel right.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part VI
Post by: 2.71828..... on January 08, 2016, 11:49:20 am
A new random stuff thread? I noticed we got up to random stuff V in titles, why stop there?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part ∞
Post by: Kuildeous on January 08, 2016, 11:55:41 am
A new random stuff thread? I noticed we got up to random stuff V in titles, why stop there?

Why indeed?
Title: Re: Random Staff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 08, 2016, 02:15:31 pm
On a completely unrelated note, who is watching this year's AGDQ - Awesome Games Done Quick? I tend to plug it every year and it's almost over for this year, sure, but still has 2 more days to go and has raised just shy of $600,000 for the Prevent Cancer Foundation so far. If you want to watch awesome games getting completely ruined by extremely talented and experienced gamers - or even if you don't, since chances are you'll enjoy some of it anyway - go check it out.

http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick for the stream directly

https://gamesdonequick.com/ for their main site and the easiest place to donate.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part Ax²+Bx+C
Post by: enfynet on January 08, 2016, 02:24:50 pm
A new random stuff thread? I noticed we got up to random stuff V in titles, why stop there?

Why indeed?
I think this may be getting out of hand.
Title: Er: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 08, 2016, 02:53:09 pm
What kind of heretic uses capital letters in the general quadratic equation?
Title: Re: Er: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 08, 2016, 03:01:08 pm
What kind of heretic uses capital letters in the general quadratic equation?

When the coefficients are matrices.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 08, 2016, 04:09:58 pm
What kind of heretic uses capital letters in the general quadratic equation?

When the coefficients are matrices.

Oh, boy. Yeah, it's been a while since I've used matrices in proper equations.
Title: Re: Revenge of the Random Stuff
Post by: Witherweaver on January 08, 2016, 04:12:29 pm
What kind of heretic uses capital letters in the general quadratic equation?

When the coefficients are matrices.

Oh, boy. Yeah, it's been a while since I've used matrices in proper equations.

Now find the roots!
Title: Re: Random Staff Part III
Post by: sudgy on January 08, 2016, 04:13:04 pm
On a completely unrelated note, who is watching this year's AGDQ - Awesome Games Done Quick? I tend to plug it every year and it's almost over for this year, sure, but still has 2 more days to go and has raised just shy of $600,000 for the Prevent Cancer Foundation so far. If you want to watch awesome games getting completely ruined by extremely talented and experienced gamers - or even if you don't, since chances are you'll enjoy some of it anyway - go check it out.

http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick for the stream directly

https://gamesdonequick.com/ for their main site and the easiest place to donate.

I usually check out the TAS block afterwards.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on January 08, 2016, 06:17:34 pm
Specific VODs you may like:

Kingdom Hearts 1.5 (good commentary, a bit long if you've never played Kingdom Hearts though)
Crypt of the Necrodancer (Unseeded Coda runs. I've never played but it's supposed to be insane.)
Animorphs (an awful game, hilarious trainwreck)
Gimmick (short and crazy)
Blaster Master race (I've never played but it was reasonably entertaining and a close race.)
Battletoads (features a donation incentive to do the end of Turbo Tunnel blindfolded)
Kaizo Mario Bros 3 (full of "are you serious" moments)
Super Mario Maker blind relay race (super silly, super fun, recommend highly)
Mike Tyson's Punch Out BLINDFOLDED RACE (if you're going to watch anything, watch this)
Mirror's Edge (lots of speed tricks)
Paper Mario (lots of neat tricks. A bit long but it has lots of sequence breaking)
Pokemon Yellow and Pokemon Blue glitch showcase (The glitch showcase is pretty great. Pokemon has lots of insane glitches, including ones that let you do arbitrary code execution)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on January 08, 2016, 06:43:30 pm
ash, what did you find hard to pronounce in German ? Aside from regional differences (like the final g, stuff like that), it's by far the most consistent language I know in terms of pronounciation. There are basically no silent letters, which makes it pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 08, 2016, 07:36:12 pm
ash, what did you find hard to pronounce in German ? Aside from regional differences (like the final g, stuff like that), it's by far the most consistent language I know in terms of pronounciation. There are basically no silent letters, which makes it pretty straightforward.

Spanish is even more consistent than German, but yes, in general if you can pronounce it in German, you can spell it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 09, 2016, 12:03:51 am
So for my birthday my mom sent me a periodic table of elements rug from ThinkGeek.  The package slip had a message:

"If you're havin' code problems I feel bad for you son; I got 01100011 problems but a bit ain't one."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 05:21:43 am
ash, what did you find hard to pronounce in German ? Aside from regional differences (like the final g, stuff like that), it's by far the most consistent language I know in terms of pronounciation. There are basically no silent letters, which makes it pretty straightforward.

Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

If I was in a taxi, I'd try to break it down... versun - ungs - jem - indy.

Also, that odd letter in German that sort of looks like a fancy B but doesn't exist in English?  It's in a lot of street names (Straße) (I think it's part of the word for street, in fact).  I just say "straub" since that's what it looks like.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on January 09, 2016, 06:33:47 am
Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

If I was in a taxi, I'd try to break it down... versun - ungs - jem - indy.

Also, that odd letter in German that sort of looks like a fancy B but doesn't exist in English?  It's in a lot of street names (Straße) (I think it's part of the word for street, in fact).  I just say "straub" since that's what it looks like.

What does that word even mean?

I mean, sure we have letters that other languages don't have, but it doesn't take a long time to memorize them I think... at least it's obvious. Other languages have letter combination that you have to memorize ("ge" in Italian, "ou" in Dutch). English doesn't even have any consistent phonetics. What usually makes German impossibleto learn for people isn't that, it's grammar.

As for pronounciation: ß is just a fancy s and is pronounced as in "mass". Ö is somewhat like "nerd".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: XerxesPraelor on January 09, 2016, 08:41:35 am
ash, what did you find hard to pronounce in German ? Aside from regional differences (like the final g, stuff like that), it's by far the most consistent language I know in terms of pronounciation. There are basically no silent letters, which makes it pretty straightforward.

Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

This is basically fare-son-ungs-geh-mine-deh.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 09, 2016, 08:55:00 am
ß is also just a shorthand for ss. Although I think there's certain cases where you do or don't use it, based on pronounciation. German speakers here can probably correct or expand on this, considering my German is extremely rusty and was never good to begin with (I only have a B at GCSE German and have barely used it for the last 7 years except for doing things like telling people "Ich esse tisch" or other similarly nonsensical phrases).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on January 09, 2016, 09:20:46 am
ash, what did you find hard to pronounce in German ? Aside from regional differences (like the final g, stuff like that), it's by far the most consistent language I know in terms of pronounciation. There are basically no silent letters, which makes it pretty straightforward.

Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

Fun fact: "straightforward" actually has the same amount of consonants in a row in the middle. Plus three at the start.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on January 09, 2016, 09:42:13 am
We kind of do (or did) have the ß in English: it's ss where the first s is a long s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s).

I'm casually learning German on Duolingo.  Some of the phrases they're fond of seem a bit weird, but maybe that's to help them stick.  I can't imagine needing "Das ist nicht unsere Mutter!", and being constantly asked to repeat "Gemeinsam sind wir stark!" is frankly unsettling.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 09, 2016, 10:13:57 am
The top of Valravn at Cedar Point is being installed right now. And I don't know the forum code to shrink the image.

(http://cs1.pixelcaster.com/cedar/camera1.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 09, 2016, 10:25:59 am
Here's a better shot borrowed from another site:

(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/image_58.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 09, 2016, 10:30:04 am
And I don't know the forum code to shrink the image.

(http://cs1.pixelcaster.com/cedar/camera1.jpg)

I do.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 09, 2016, 10:37:55 am
And I don't know the forum code to shrink the image.

(http://cs1.pixelcaster.com/cedar/camera1.jpg)

I do.
thanks. I will edit my post.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 11:24:19 am
Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

If I was in a taxi, I'd try to break it down... versun - ungs - jem - indy.

Also, that odd letter in German that sort of looks like a fancy B but doesn't exist in English?  It's in a lot of street names (Straße) (I think it's part of the word for street, in fact).  I just say "straub" since that's what it looks like.

What does that word even mean?

I mean, sure we have letters that other languages don't have, but it doesn't take a long time to memorize them I think... at least it's obvious. Other languages have letter combination that you have to memorize ("ge" in Italian, "ou" in Dutch). English doesn't even have any consistent phonetics. What usually makes German impossibleto learn for people isn't that, it's grammar.

As for pronounciation: ß is just a fancy s and is pronounced as in "mass". Ö is somewhat like "nerd".

I don't know what it means -- it's German.

I guess I should have clarified that it's a lot of consonants in a row that we don't put in a row in English.

If B = ss, how do you write a B?  If a German word has a double s, is it pronounced as a b?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on January 09, 2016, 11:38:55 am
Versöhnungsgemeinde

A word like this is scary.  We don't use umlauts in English, for one, so I'm not sure what the o actually sounds like.   That's a lot of consonants in a row there in the middle.

If I was in a taxi, I'd try to break it down... versun - ungs - jem - indy.

Also, that odd letter in German that sort of looks like a fancy B but doesn't exist in English?  It's in a lot of street names (Straße) (I think it's part of the word for street, in fact).  I just say "straub" since that's what it looks like.

What does that word even mean?

I mean, sure we have letters that other languages don't have, but it doesn't take a long time to memorize them I think... at least it's obvious. Other languages have letter combination that you have to memorize ("ge" in Italian, "ou" in Dutch). English doesn't even have any consistent phonetics. What usually makes German impossibleto learn for people isn't that, it's grammar.

As for pronounciation: ß is just a fancy s and is pronounced as in "mass". Ö is somewhat like "nerd".

I don't know what it means -- it's German.

I guess I should have clarified that it's a lot of consonants in a row that we don't put in a row in English.

If B = ss, how do you write a B?  If a German word has a double s, is it pronounced as a b?

It's not a B: it's (historically) a ligature of a long s and a normal modern s (which differ only typographically).  There was a spelling reform in Germany about 20 years ago, and lots of ß's were replaced by ss's.  It's no more confusing in practice than capital I and lower case l.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 09, 2016, 11:41:05 am
You know that weird-shaped s you see in old documents in English, like the Constitution, that looks a bit like an integral sign, or a fancy f with no cross?  Okay, now write a normal lowercase s right next to that.  Now connect their tops with a straight line down.

Now you have the German ss as it was printed in Fraktur style fonts.  It's not a B, it's just another character you have to memorize and is, if I remember correctly, entirely deprecated, no longer used in official documents etc.  It is exactly equivalent to "ss".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on January 09, 2016, 11:58:28 am
Now you have the German ss as it was printed in Fraktur style fonts.  It's not a B, it's just another character you have to memorize and is, if I remember correctly, entirely deprecated, no longer used in official documents etc.  It is exactly equivalent to "ss".

This part is not true. ß is still a character that is used officially, and it would be wrong to write "Strasse" instead of "Straße". ss in German implies that the vowel preceeding the ss is short, while ß (according to current spelling) implies that the preceeding vowel is long.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: schadd on January 09, 2016, 12:53:44 pm
"-"; the hyphen, press the hyphen button on your keyboard. this is for things that you think of as 'hyphenated' (compound surnames, words that bunch together like seven-year-old)

"–"; the en dash, hold alt and press 0-1-5-0 on your numpad. this is for ranges, subtractions, and other things that don't feel like hyphens/em dashes. use your best judgement

"—"; the em dash, hold alt and press 0-1-5-1 on your numpad. this is for the grammatical usage—it indicates a longer pause that can sort of be a proxy for a colon, comma, or semicolon i think

("what is this, two days ago?"
–you, the reader)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 09, 2016, 01:00:32 pm
"-"; the hyphen, press the hyphen button on your keyboard. this is for things that you think of as 'hyphenated' (compound surnames, words that bunch together like seven-year-old)

"–"; the en dash, hold alt and press 0-1-5-0 on your numpad. this is for ranges, subtractions, and other things that don't feel like hyphens/em dashes. use your best judgement

"—"; the em dash, hold alt and press 0-1-5-1 on your numpad. this is for the grammatical usage—it indicates a longer pause that can sort of be a proxy for a colon, comma, or semicolon i think

("what is this, two days ago?"
–you, the reader)


Still useful.

I'll still do quick-and-dirty for my notes. I reserve punctuation precision for more detailed documents.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 01:04:39 pm
You know that weird-shaped s you see in old documents in English, like the Constitution, that looks a bit like an integral sign, or a fancy f with no cross?  Okay, now write a normal lowercase s right next to that.  Now connect their tops with a straight line down.

Now you have the German ss as it was printed in Fraktur style fonts.  It's not a B, it's just another character you have to memorize and is, if I remember correctly, entirely deprecated, no longer used in official documents etc.  It is exactly equivalent to "ss".

I guess.

I'm just arguing that, to me, German seems incredibly difficult as a foreign language as compared to something super simple like Japanese.  I know a lot of non-native English speakers find English difficult -- this is the same as that, I guess.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 09, 2016, 01:08:21 pm
You know that weird-shaped s you see in old documents in English, like the Constitution, that looks a bit like an integral sign, or a fancy f with no cross?  Okay, now write a normal lowercase s right next to that.  Now connect their tops with a straight line down.

Now you have the German ss as it was printed in Fraktur style fonts.  It's not a B, it's just another character you have to memorize and is, if I remember correctly, entirely deprecated, no longer used in official documents etc.  It is exactly equivalent to "ss".

I guess.

I'm just arguing that, to me, German seems incredibly difficult as a foreign language as compared to something super simple like Japanese.  I know a lot of non-native English speakers find English difficult -- this is the same as that, I guess.

You think Japanese is super simple and your main complaint about German is one letter that English doesn't have?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on January 09, 2016, 01:35:46 pm
Also, ß never appears at the beginning of a ward. There's also no capital version of it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 09, 2016, 01:40:48 pm
I only took two German courses in college (foreign languages are not fun to learn for me), but it seemed extremely simple, given that you knew English.  I took French in high school, and that was also easy to learn (to the extent required for the course---I never became fluent).

Edit: I mean, all languages are easy to learn, if you simply take the effort to learn them.  But I imagine a language that borrows from a lot of different sources (like English) is more challenging. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 02:13:37 pm
You know that weird-shaped s you see in old documents in English, like the Constitution, that looks a bit like an integral sign, or a fancy f with no cross?  Okay, now write a normal lowercase s right next to that.  Now connect their tops with a straight line down.

Now you have the German ss as it was printed in Fraktur style fonts.  It's not a B, it's just another character you have to memorize and is, if I remember correctly, entirely deprecated, no longer used in official documents etc.  It is exactly equivalent to "ss".

I guess.

I'm just arguing that, to me, German seems incredibly difficult as a foreign language as compared to something super simple like Japanese.  I know a lot of non-native English speakers find English difficult -- this is the same as that, I guess.

You think Japanese is super simple and your main complaint about German is one letter that English doesn't have?

I don't think Japanese is super simple, I know it is.  I speak English, Japanese, and Italian, having learned the second two.  Japanese was the easier to learn, by far.

I am sure I could learn German if I studied.  But just plopping in the middle of it, it's clear to me that it is much harder than the languages I've learned.

If you were to drop a person in the middle or Tokyo or Berlin with no knowledge of either language,  or a related language, the one dropped in Tokyo would have a much easier time picking it up.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 02:14:41 pm
Also, ß never appears at the beginning of a ward. There's also no capital version of it.

Good to know.  Any reason?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on January 09, 2016, 02:17:53 pm
I don't think Japanese is super simple, I know it is.  I speak English, Japanese, and Italian, having learned the second two.  Japanese was the easier to learn, by far.

I am sure I could learn German if I studied.  But just plopping in the middle of it, it's clear to me that it is much harder than the languages I've learned.

If you were to drop a person in the middle or Tokyo or Berlin with no knowledge of either language,  or a related language, the one dropped in Tokyo would have a much easier time picking it up.

You are in the minority, dude. Most native English speakers find German way easier than Japanese. They're sister languages, German and English. Several words are the same, and the grammar's way closer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 02:25:16 pm
I don't think Japanese is super simple, I know it is.  I speak English, Japanese, and Italian, having learned the second two.  Japanese was the easier to learn, by far.

I am sure I could learn German if I studied.  But just plopping in the middle of it, it's clear to me that it is much harder than the languages I've learned.

If you were to drop a person in the middle or Tokyo or Berlin with no knowledge of either language,  or a related language, the one dropped in Tokyo would have a much easier time picking it up.

You are in the minority, dude. Most native English speakers find German way easier than Japanese. They're sister languages, German and English. Several words are the same, and the grammar's way closer.

Maybe?  I'd assume you'd have a hard time proving that unless there's been a study done of language students somewhere of native English speakers who have studied both Japanese and German.

Japanese is easier to pronounce and has simpler and more sensible grammar rules than English (and therefore German, I assume).  The only "hard" part is reading, but that's rote memorization anyway.

Compare that long German word I wrote earlier to something of similar length in Japanese:

kyakushitsujoumuin

I think that is much easier to figure out than the German word, because the phonetics are so simple and consistent.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 09, 2016, 02:30:11 pm
I don't think Japanese is super simple, I know it is.  I speak English, Japanese, and Italian, having learned the second two.  Japanese was the easier to learn, by far.

I am sure I could learn German if I studied.  But just plopping in the middle of it, it's clear to me that it is much harder than the languages I've learned.

If you were to drop a person in the middle or Tokyo or Berlin with no knowledge of either language,  or a related language, the one dropped in Tokyo would have a much easier time picking it up.

Japanese is like the easiest thing ever to pronounce and the grammar is more intuitive than that of German languages a lot of the time, but surely learning thousands of Chinese characters is more difficult than learning one ß.

Compare that long German word I wrote earlier to something of similar length in Japanese:

客室乗務員

FTFY.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 03:11:14 pm
I don't think Japanese is super simple, I know it is.  I speak English, Japanese, and Italian, having learned the second two.  Japanese was the easier to learn, by far.

I am sure I could learn German if I studied.  But just plopping in the middle of it, it's clear to me that it is much harder than the languages I've learned.

If you were to drop a person in the middle or Tokyo or Berlin with no knowledge of either language,  or a related language, the one dropped in Tokyo would have a much easier time picking it up.

Japanese is like the easiest thing ever to pronounce and the grammar is more intuitive than that of German languages a lot of the time, but surely learning thousands of Chinese characters is more difficult than learning one ß.

Compare that long German word I wrote earlier to something of similar length in Japanese:

客室乗務員

FTFY.

Learning thousands of Chinese characters would in fact be very difficult, as well as unfortunate given I was discussing Japanese.

The characters are related, and some are the same, but they are not the same language.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 09, 2016, 03:18:27 pm
Learning thousands of Chinese characters would in fact be very difficult, as well as unfortunate given I was discussing Japanese.

The characters are related, and some are the same, but they are not the same language.

Well, the argument could be made that it's unfortunate that Japanese uses thousands of Chinese characters in its writing system, but I doubt they're going to change that any time soon.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on January 09, 2016, 03:58:28 pm
I don't speak Japanese, but I do speak German and English, and the idea that an English speaker would have an easier time learning Japanese is ludicrous. English is basically an easier to learn version of German (except in the pronounciation field, English pronounciation makes zero sense).

I don't care how complex German grammar is, the simple fact that you basically know half of the vocabulary already has to make it much easier.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 04:01:21 pm
Learning thousands of Chinese characters would in fact be very difficult, as well as unfortunate given I was discussing Japanese.

The characters are related, and some are the same, but they are not the same language.

Well, the argument could be made that it's unfortunate that Japanese uses thousands of Chinese characters in its writing system, but I doubt they're going to change that any time soon.

Relevant: https://eastasiastudent.net/regional/hanzi-and-kanji/

Anyway, if you learn to read Chinese, you still won't be able to speak, or understand, Japanese.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 04:04:32 pm
I don't speak Japanese, but I do speak German and English, and the idea that an English speaker would have an easier time learning Japanese is ludicrous. English is basically an easier to learn version of German (except in the pronounciation field, English pronounciation makes zero sense).

I don't care how complex German grammar is, the simple fact that you basically know half of the vocabulary already has to make it much easier.

I haven't tried to learn German, but I learned both Japanese and Italian fluently, and the latter was exponentially harder to learn, even though Latin languages are supposed to be easier.

We are arguing about a subjective measure of difficulty that is literally different for every brain in the world.  I'm assuming I won't convince you, and you won't convince me.

Have you, or any of you other Japanese haters, tried to learn it?  Maybe you wouldn't be so critical if you gave it a shot.

I cannot say for certain that German is harder to learn, but spending many days within its confines impressed me with its very difficult pronunciation.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 09, 2016, 04:11:27 pm
There wasn't any criticism.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 09, 2016, 04:19:13 pm
I'm sure it varies from person to person, and I have no idea about how the languages compare overall, but the specific complaint that you made seems pretty ridiculous to me.  Your complaint seems to be that German is phonetically complicated, which maybe it is, I know almost nothing about German.  But my understanding is that there are at least some phonetic rules to go by.  Hiragana and katakana are very straightforward phonetically, but kanji is basically as difficult as a written language could get (I imagine Chinese is harder, but they're in the same ballpark), because the only way to learn it is to memorize thousands of characters.  Even if German had no phonetic rules at all, it would be equally difficult as kanji, because you could just memorize which words correspond with which pronunciations (which is what you have to do with kanji).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 04:26:58 pm
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on January 09, 2016, 04:57:52 pm
The weird thing is that pronounciation is, like, the simplest thing about the German language. Of the languages I know, the difficulty in pronouncing goes this way (left = hard)

English >>>>>>> French >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>German

And this isn't that subjective. German is simple to pronouncebecause it has clear rules and mostly holds to it. As opposed to English wich has basically no rules, and you have to learn how to pronounce every single word. French is somewhere in between : there are rules, but there are many, many of them, and they're not as universally true as the ones in German.

The word you highlighted above is actually very simple to pronounce, and, as someone pointed out, much easier than the word you negatively happened to us to describe it (straightforward).

Now Japanese seems pretty easy to pronounce as well, I'll give you that.But in the grand schme of things, German is very much on the easy side.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 09, 2016, 05:00:02 pm
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

It sounds like you're saying that, if you spell things phonetically, then they're easier to pronounce from their spelling. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part Ax²+Bx+C
Post by: IsotropicWasBetter on January 09, 2016, 05:03:31 pm
A new random stuff thread? I noticed we got up to random stuff V in titles, why stop there?

Why indeed?
I think this may be getting out of hand.
This post is discriminatory to those without hands (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12442.0).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 05:07:02 pm
The weird thing is that pronounciation is, like, the simplest thing about the German language. Of the languages I know, the difficulty in pronouncing goes this way (left = hard)

English >>>>>>> French >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>German

And this isn't that subjective. German is simple to pronouncebecause it has clear rules and mostly holds to it. As opposed to English wich has basically no rules, and you have to learn how to pronounce every single word. French is somewhere in between : there are rules, but there are many, many of them, and they're not as universally true as the ones in German.

The word you highlighted above is actually very simple to pronounce, and, as someone pointed out, much easier than the word you negatively happened to us to describe it (straightforward).

Now Japanese seems pretty easy to pronounce as well, I'll give you that.But in the grand schme of things, German is very much on the easy side.

I can't defend English here -- I know full well it's a mess.  I think French is very hard to pronounce, given what seems to me to be a lot of extra letter that serve no purpose in most words.

When Germans speak German, I can't mimic the sounds they make.  Have you heard an American say Goethe?  When Germans say it, it sounds kind of like Gurkha?  I still can't pronounce the guy's name.

But we can all say Murakami without a problem.

My rankings, then, would go:

Tonal languages such as Vietnamese and Chinese >>> French >>> German >>> English >>> Portuguese >>> Spanish >>> Italian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japanese.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 09, 2016, 05:08:42 pm
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

It sounds like you're saying that, if you spell things phonetically, then they're easier to pronounce from their spelling.

I'm saying that, some sounds, even spelled phonetically, are harder to make with your mouth than others.

Danish is another ridiculously hard to pronounce language.  Ever drink Carlsberg beer?  You (and I) are saying it wrong.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on January 09, 2016, 05:43:12 pm
I don't speak Japanese, but I do speak German and English, and the idea that an English speaker would have an easier time learning Japanese is ludicrous. English is basically an easier to learn version of German (except in the pronounciation field, English pronounciation makes zero sense).

I don't care how complex German grammar is, the simple fact that you basically know half of the vocabulary already has to make it much easier.

I haven't tried to learn German, but I learned both Japanese and Italian fluently, and the latter was exponentially harder to learn, even though Latin languages are supposed to be easier.
German and English are not Latin they are germanic.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 09, 2016, 06:24:15 pm
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

It sounds like you're saying that, if you spell things phonetically, then they're easier to pronounce from their spelling.

I'm saying that, some sounds, even spelled phonetically, are harder to make with your mouth than others.

Danish is another ridiculously hard to pronounce language.  Ever drink Carlsberg beer?  You (and I) are saying it wrong.

But those sounds are only easier due to the language you grew up with.  Asimply someone who has studied German and listened to a lot of Japanese and Korean, I'm certain that German and Japanese have around the same number of sounds that are different from English.

Certainly for some people the velar fricative /x/ (final ch in German) is going to be harder than the alveolar flap that is halfway between /r/ and /l/ in Japanese... but for some people the opposite is true.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 09, 2016, 06:39:35 pm
Meanwhile in English, none of bough, cough, dough, rough, and through rhyme... and slough has two different meanings, one of which rhymes with through, and one with rough.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 09, 2016, 07:35:36 pm
This is relevant to language, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GSuO57Ja7g
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on January 09, 2016, 08:21:06 pm
Since when did relevance matter in this thread?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 09, 2016, 08:28:15 pm
A new random stuff thread? I noticed we got up to random stuff V in titles, why stop there?

Why indeed?
I think this may be getting out of hand.
This post is discriminatory to those without hands (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12442.0).

Okay DXV's post #10 there is amazing and deserves more than 23 respect.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 04:02:31 am
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

Romanizing Japanese words isn't comparable to German spellings of German words. You need to compare the IPAs if you want to make that argument, and it's true that you would find that the IPA for German words is more complicated than it is for Japanese, but it's not as complicated as you seem to think.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 10, 2016, 04:04:44 am
I don't speak Japanese, but I do speak German and English, and the idea that an English speaker would have an easier time learning Japanese is ludicrous. English is basically an easier to learn version of German (except in the pronounciation field, English pronounciation makes zero sense).

I don't care how complex German grammar is, the simple fact that you basically know half of the vocabulary already has to make it much easier.

I haven't tried to learn German, but I learned both Japanese and Italian fluently, and the latter was exponentially harder to learn, even though Latin languages are supposed to be easier.
German and English are not Latin they are germanic.

Please read my post again.  I said I learned Japanese and Italian, and the latter was harder despite being Latin.  Nowhere did I tie together either English or German with Latin.

And yet you get the upvotes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 10, 2016, 04:07:19 am
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

Romanizing Japanese words isn't comparable to German spellings of German words. You need to compare the IPAs if you want to make that argument, and it's true that you would find that the IPA for German words is more complicated than it is for Japanese, but it's not as complicated as you seem to think.

So I made an incorrect comparison but had the right conclusion.  You just disagree with the degree.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 04:23:02 am
Maybe we are talking past each other.  We are writing on a forum, so writing and reading is required, but I'm talking about speaking out loud -- and German just seems so obviously harder to speak than Japanese.  The way it is written is a visual representation of that when the language is written phonetically -- like when I romanized the Japanese word -- which is what the argument is.  Learning to make the sounds that match their phonetic representations is the thing we are discussing but SP and Awaclus are trying to muddy the waters with kanji.

Sure, it's hard to memorize 1800 or 5000 kanji.  But speaking Japanese is really, really easy.  Memorizing a funny SS might be simple, but speaking German is not.

Romanizing Japanese words isn't comparable to German spellings of German words. You need to compare the IPAs if you want to make that argument, and it's true that you would find that the IPA for German words is more complicated than it is for Japanese, but it's not as complicated as you seem to think.

So I made an incorrect comparison but had the right conclusion.  You just disagree with the degree.

Well, concluding that a language is difficult to pronounce if it's more difficult than Japanese is like concluding that Woodcutter is a complicated Dominion card because it's more complicated than Silver. That way, you'd conclude that Finnish is difficult to pronounce as well, but that would be a very wrong conclusion considering that comparing other languages to Finnish would still be an unfair comparison given how remarkably easy Finnish is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 10, 2016, 04:39:40 am
I concluded that, to me, German is far harder (to pronounce/learn) than Japanese.  Everyone seems united against me to prove that I am wrong, for some reason.  You don't even know me, but you do know that I found Japanese extremely easy to learn and Italian extremely hard to learn.  I also recently spent time I'm Germany, noting the difficult to pronounce words and phrases everywhere around me.

I don't see why everyone wants to change my opinion, given how short life is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 05:01:44 am
I concluded that, to me, German is far harder (to pronounce/learn) than Japanese.  Everyone seems united against me to prove that I am wrong, for some reason.  You don't even know me, but you do know that I found Japanese extremely easy to learn and Italian extremely hard to learn.  I also recently spent time I'm Germany, noting the difficult to pronounce words and phrases everywhere around me.

I don't see why everyone wants to change my opinion, given how short life is.

Originally you concluded that German is hard to pronounce. Then you concluded that German is a more difficult foreign language than Japanese. Being harder to pronounce than Japanese doesn't mean it's hard, and I'm fairly sure that having to memorize 2000 new characters does make Japanese pretty obviously more difficult to learn as a foreign language than any language that uses the Latin alphabet or another similar writing system.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: blueblimp on January 10, 2016, 05:15:04 am
But we can all say Murakami without a problem.
This is a bad example to pick, because an English native speaker is not going to pronounce the Japanese R correctly without practice.

That said, spoken Japanese is indeed among the easiest-to-pronounce languages. It has relatively few sounds and most of them are easy. Too bad that the writing system is one of the hardest in the world.

As far as objective difficulty of learning a language overall for a native English speaker, there's the Foreign Service Institute's ranking (http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 10, 2016, 06:04:09 am
I concluded that, to me, German is far harder (to pronounce/learn) than Japanese.  Everyone seems united against me to prove that I am wrong, for some reason.  You don't even know me, but you do know that I found Japanese extremely easy to learn and Italian extremely hard to learn.  I also recently spent time I'm Germany, noting the difficult to pronounce words and phrases everywhere around me.

I don't see why everyone wants to change my opinion, given how short life is.
Would you say Japanese is 90_93% easier than people think?

And that was a cheap way to get +1s, considering how short life is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 10, 2016, 06:31:08 am
I concluded that, to me, German is far harder (to pronounce/learn) than Japanese.  Everyone seems united against me to prove that I am wrong, for some reason.  You don't even know me, but you do know that I found Japanese extremely easy to learn and Italian extremely hard to learn.  I also recently spent time I'm Germany, noting the difficult to pronounce words and phrases everywhere around me.

I don't see why everyone wants to change my opinion, given how short life is.
Would you say Japanese is 90_93% easier than people think?

And that was a cheap way to get +1s, considering how short life is.

I really don't think it helps anyone to make up a statistic, even as a way to create a starting point for discussion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 10, 2016, 10:16:25 am
does through really rhyme with cough?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on January 10, 2016, 10:43:20 am
does through really rhyme with cough?

No. "Through" is pronounced the same as "threw." "Cough" rhymes with "off".

Yes English is weird.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 10, 2016, 11:46:35 am
yeah, that's what I thought too

Meanwhile in English, none of bough, cough, dough, rough, and through don't rhyme
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on January 10, 2016, 11:49:37 am
yeah, that's what I thought too

Meanwhile in English, none of bough, cough, dough, rough, and through don't rhyme

I think that's a double negative probably, what Kirian meant to say is that none of those words rhyme with each other.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 10, 2016, 11:53:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDFQXxWIyvQ
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 10, 2016, 11:56:12 am
yeah, that's what I thought too

Meanwhile in English, none of bough, cough, dough, rough, and through don't rhyme

I think that's a double negative probably, what Kirian meant to say is that none of those words rhyme with each other.

I definitely read this in my mind the first time as:

"bō, co, doe, row, throw"
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 10, 2016, 01:40:55 pm
Dammit.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 10, 2016, 01:51:54 pm
yeah, that's what I thought too

Meanwhile in English, none of bough, cough, dough, rough, and through don't rhyme

I think that's a double negative probably, what Kirian meant to say is that none of those words rhyme with each other.

oh, in that case I just learned that I always pronounced cough wrong
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 10, 2016, 02:55:38 pm
I concluded that, to me, German is far harder (to pronounce/learn) than Japanese.  Everyone seems united against me to prove that I am wrong, for some reason.  You don't even know me, but you do know that I found Japanese extremely easy to learn and Italian extremely hard to learn.  I also recently spent time I'm Germany, noting the difficult to pronounce words and phrases everywhere around me.

I don't see why everyone wants to change my opinion, given how short life is.

I think people were arguing because you started off making a general claim (or seemed to) instead of a personal one, and it seemed to be about learning languages overall rather than just ease of pronunciation.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 10, 2016, 03:00:31 pm
I guess I'll post this here. I learned about 'Omer,' a user who was banned several years ago. Maybe you remember him, he had 25 postd and a Cultist avatar? I don't understand why he got banned so quickly but Goon Garden went on for 13 pages before he was banned.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on January 10, 2016, 03:12:18 pm
I guess I'll post this here. I learned about 'Omer,' a user who was banned several years ago. Maybe you remember him, he had 25 postd and a Cultist avatar? I don't understand why he got banned so quickly but Goon Garden went on for 13 pages before he was banned.

It matters how fast theory notices. This ain't a science.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 10, 2016, 03:22:46 pm
I guess I'll post this here. I learned about 'Omer,' a user who was banned several years ago. Maybe you remember him, he had 25 postd and a Cultist avatar? I don't understand why he got banned so quickly but Goon Garden went on for 13 pages before he was banned.

It matters how fast theory notices. This ain't a science.
Okay, a follow up question: What was Omer's offense/offenses that caused him to get banned? Sure, he wasn't the most polite person I've ever seen, but I think a ban was very cruel.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on January 10, 2016, 03:23:39 pm
Okay, a follow up question: What was Omer's offense/offenses that caused him to get banned? Sure, he wasn't the most polite person I've ever seen, but I think a ban was very cruel.
I don't remember, but maybe there are posts that were deleted.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 10, 2016, 03:25:13 pm
Okay, a follow up question: What was Omer's offense/offenses that caused him to get banned? Sure, he wasn't the most polite person I've ever seen, but I think a ban was very cruel.
I don't remember, but maybe there are posts that were deleted.

Or maybe it had to do with private messages.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 10, 2016, 03:27:35 pm
Someone tell me about why Goon Gardens got banned, and what happened. I don't want to read through 15 pages of content to figure it out.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 10, 2016, 03:29:36 pm
Someone tell me about why Goon Gardens got banned, and what happened. I don't want to read through 15 pages of content to figure it out.

I understand, given how short life is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 10, 2016, 03:33:00 pm
Someone tell me about why Goon Gardens got banned, and what happened. I don't want to read through 15 pages of content to figure it out.
Being very disrespectful when his point was countered and he gave estimates that were probsbly not accurate, frequent swearing and personal attacks on F.DS members, and he asked to be banned once or twice.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 03:36:45 pm
Someone tell me about why Goon Gardens got banned, and what happened. I don't want to read through 15 pages of content to figure it out.

Good thing there's only 8 pages then!

Anyway, the best part starts around here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.200

He gets banned on the next page.

"Considering how short life is" and ridiculously specific percentage estimates (especially 90-93%) are references to that thread.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on January 10, 2016, 04:01:56 pm
When someone asks to be banned, the move is always to ban them. They can easily think of ways to make you wish you had.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 10, 2016, 04:04:24 pm
classic proof by example

(the thread that is)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on January 10, 2016, 05:59:05 pm
My rankings, then, would go:

Tonal languages such as Vietnamese and Chinese >>> French >>> German >>> English >>> Portuguese >>> Spanish >>> Italian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japanese.
You know Japanese is a mildly tonal language too, right? With regional and contextual variation, for the fun of it.

I would echo the mention of the Foreign Service Institute's Language Difficulty Ranking, measure by the amount of intensive training required to gain a limited working proficiency in a language. German is in Category 2, requiring 750 hours of study. Japanese is in Category 5, along with Arabic, Mandarin, Cantonese and Korean, with 2200 hours of study required to gain working proficiency. And Japanese is considered one of the harder languages even *in* that category.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 10, 2016, 06:07:09 pm
Someone tell me about why Goon Gardens got banned, and what happened. I don't want to read through 15 pages of content to figure it out.

Good thing there's only 8 pages then!

Anyway, the best part starts around here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.200

He gets banned on the next page.

"Considering how short life is" and ridiculously specific percentage estimates (especially 90-93%) are references to that thread.

Well. That was quite something. I went in with an open mind, thinking maybe he was treated poorly or someone sparked him off to start replying badly. Instead I get someone who just seemed to get angry at and insult everyone, despite... being treated in a fairly civil manner. I'm wondering if he was trolling now, but that'd be some very subtle trolling if he was.

Edit: He was also moving the goalposts on what he was arguing as early as post 11, possibly even post 8.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: schadd on January 11, 2016, 06:36:30 pm
first day of your women's studies class
"hello, class. i am professor anthony garboni, but you can call me tony garboni."
after the lecture is over you go up to him to ask a question
"hello, professor garboni?"
"please, that was my mother's name. call me tony garboni, as previously discussed."
you're the most excited you've ever been for a women's studies class
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 14, 2016, 04:23:41 pm
http://www.pockettactics.com/news/ios-news/knights-of-pen-and-paper-2-goes-looking-for-dragons/

This entire post looks like news about a game, but it's really a long list of references to Alan Rickman.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 17, 2016, 05:02:54 pm
There's a special place in Hull for the inventor of autocorrect.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 19, 2016, 10:45:24 am
So because I'm feeling pedantic, I offer up for discussion a riddle I saw posted on Facebook. As it's supposed to be tricky, I suspect I'll see it making the rounds. 

As I recall, the riddle says that there is a fish tank with 10 fish.
Two fish drowned
Four fish swam away
Three fish died

How many fish are left?



[thinking gap, but I propose there is no single right answer so don't think too hard on this]




The "correct" answer is all ten are left. The reasoning is that fish can't drown, there's no place for fish to swim to, and the dead fish are still in the tank.

Okay, so I can accept the dead fish still being there. Saying how many are left implies surviving fish, but that's semantics. Obviously, people need to define what is meant by "left."

I can see the attempted trickery with fish not being able to drown, but fish can totally suffocate due to lack of oxygen in the water. And one definition of drowning is to die of suffocation while under liquid. This definition can get tricky, as it's generally understood that an air-breathing animal drowns by having fluid in its lungs, which causes the suffocation. It depends on how contrary you want to be. Someone could state whether a fish can technically drown, and someone else could come up with a viable argument for the opposite.

But I must say that the away part is unequivocally bullshit. The premise says nothing about the state of the tank. Are there exit tunnels? Is it submerged in a lake? Can fish successfully jump out of the tank? There is no indication that the tank is escape-proof. So you cannot say that there is no place for the fish to swim to if the premise itself specifically says that the fish swam away. You're contradicting the premise, which makes for a lousy riddle. It's the equivalent to asking what has four legs, flies, and barks—a dog; I lied about it flying. Okay, that contradiction is done for humorous effect because it's such a short riddle. It does not work here.

There's also the point that the two drowned fish could be grouped in with the three dead fish, so if you were to ask how many surviving fish remained, one could answer one or three.

Fortunately, I did not fall for this riddle, but it's hard to say that anyone truly fell for it since the answer I saw violates the premise as well the definition of drowning. I raised an eyebrow at the drowning part, so I had to look up whether fish can in fact drown. But it was the part of fish leaving but apparently they can't leave that bugged me. Don't put it in the premise if you aren't going to count it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 19, 2016, 11:01:04 am
I'm pretty sure you could drown a fish. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on January 19, 2016, 11:27:29 am
I'm pretty sure you could drown a fish.
you can drown a fish in a lot of non water liquids I think
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 19, 2016, 11:30:53 am
Yeah, there are some assumptions about drowning that don't take into account the definition.

I guess many people would define drowning as dying due to having water in lungs. In that case, no, you cannot drown a fish. But the definition I found that says drowning is suffocating while under a liquid would still count, though the method of dying is different for a fish versus a human. The human dies because of the water preventing the intake of air, so he suffocates that way, regardless of oxygen content. If a fish drowns, it's not because there is water there; it's because the oxygen content of the water is poor.

I'm happy with the definition I found, but I'm sure someone out there would dispute it. I would likely accept the definition given by a marine biologist.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 19, 2016, 11:34:11 am
Yeah, there are some assumptions about drowning that don't take into account the definition.

I guess many people would define drowning as dying due to having water in lungs. In that case, no, you cannot drown a fish. But the definition I found that says drowning is suffocating while under a liquid would still count, though the method of dying is different for a fish versus a human. The human dies because of the water preventing the intake of air, so he suffocates that way, regardless of oxygen content. If a fish drowns, it's not because there is water there; it's because the oxygen content of the water is poor.

I'm happy with the definition I found, but I'm sure someone out there would dispute it. I would likely accept the definition given by a marine biologist.

Basic definition of drowning is what you say, death caused by respiratory impairment from immersion in a fluid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowning.  I think it's pretty standard despite what some average person on the street may say.  Water is only our common thing because, well, water is an abundant liquid here on earth. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 19, 2016, 12:29:27 pm
Question:  mammals can "breathe" temporarily in a perfluorocarbon.  Would fish also be able to do so, or would they "drown" in an otherwise oxygen-rich environment?  (Ignore for a moment the density; fish would float straight to the surface in current PFCs.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on January 20, 2016, 05:25:12 am
Today I found out that when a forecast says "75% chance of rain", it doesn't mean "there is a 75% chance it will rain today." What it really means is "Given a uniformly random point in the city, the probability that point gets any rain today is 75%"

So for example, if there is huge storm covering half the city, and there is sunshine over the other half, then there's a 50% chance of rain in that city.

Somehow, I feel cheated, but after thinking about it more it's a reasonable reporting system. I'm not convinced it's the best one though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 20, 2016, 12:50:34 pm
Today I found out that when a forecast says "75% chance of rain", it doesn't mean "there is a 75% chance it will rain today." What it really means is "Given a uniformly random point in the city, the probability that point gets any rain today is 75%"

So for example, if there is huge storm covering half the city, and there is sunshine over the other half, then there's a 50% chance of rain in that city.

Somehow, I feel cheated, but after thinking about it more it's a reasonable reporting system. I'm not convinced it's the best one though.

Eh, not quite.  By the time it's raining over half the city, the 50% forecast is far in the past.  Also note that the reality is that "75% chance of rain" really means "given the current conditions, decades of data placed into models suggest that rain will happen on 75% of days that are preceded by these conditions."

And it's not just uniformly over a single city; prediction down to the kilometer just isn't a thing yet.  More like "within 40 km of selected coordinates."  Only once the system actually starts producing rain will you get a forecast resolution under 5 km, and even then it's for 15-30 minutes in the future.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 20, 2016, 12:55:33 pm
And it's not just uniformly over a single city; prediction down to the kilometer just isn't a thing yet.  More like "within 40 km of selected coordinates."

Aren't "within 40 km of the selected coordinates" and "over a single city" not all that different, though?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on January 20, 2016, 01:15:32 pm
http://dogeweather.com/

totally accurate up to this one time I have used it thus far...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 20, 2016, 02:14:48 pm
And it's not just uniformly over a single city; prediction down to the kilometer just isn't a thing yet.  More like "within 40 km of selected coordinates."

Aren't "within 40 km of the selected coordinates" and "over a single city" not all that different, though?

Where do you live that single cities are that big?  There are half a dozen large (>50k population) within 40 km of me, and another twenty or more with >25k population.  In my old place (less urban), there were only about 10 cities of >25k within 40 km, but it was a much less urbanized area... and the entire city plus true suburbs only covered about a 15 km square...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 20, 2016, 02:32:09 pm
Where do you live that single cities are that big?  There are half a dozen large (>50k population) within 40 km of me, and another twenty or more with >25k population.  In my old place (less urban), there were only about 10 cities of >25k within 40 km, but it was a much less urbanized area... and the entire city plus true suburbs only covered about a 15 km square...

Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joensuu).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 20, 2016, 02:58:27 pm
Where do you live that single cities are that big?  There are half a dozen large (>50k population) within 40 km of me, and another twenty or more with >25k population.  In my old place (less urban), there were only about 10 cities of >25k within 40 km, but it was a much less urbanized area... and the entire city plus true suburbs only covered about a 15 km square...

Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joensuu).

Ah.  What you're calling a city is the size of of what we call a county.  The county I currently live in has a land area just about twice what Joensuu is... but 90% of it is uninhabited, and the 10% that's inhabited has 10 times as many people, divided among 20-ish cities, large and small.  Previously, I lived in a county about half the size of your city, with 90% of the people living in about a third of that area.

The largest city proper in the US is significantly smaller in area than your city.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sitnaltax on January 20, 2016, 09:11:15 pm
Question:  mammals can "breathe" temporarily in a perfluorocarbon.  Would fish also be able to do so, or would they "drown" in an otherwise oxygen-rich environment?  (Ignore for a moment the density; fish would float straight to the surface in current PFCs.)

My uninformed biology-enthusiast speculation is yes. My best googling suggests that fish die if you take them out of water because their gills collapse, so there's not enough surface area to transfer oxygen. So in an appropriate-density environment, a fish would be fine. I'm making the unfounded assumption that gills and lungs transfer oxygen in fundamentally the same way, differing mostly in the way they're adapted to handle the density and oxygen concentration of water vs. air.

Like mammals, I can't speak to the longer-term effects for fish. You wouldn't have the "this thick fluid is damaging the delicate lung tissue" issue, though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 21, 2016, 12:48:02 am
Best unboxing video ever:  The newest Mersenne prime!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpYjrbujG0
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 21, 2016, 01:20:43 pm
I already had that number memorised by the time that video came out. The short form, not the long form, obviously. Ah well, I still feel geeky.

As an aside, how would you round 0.095 to one significant figure? Would you leave the answer as 0.1 (which has 1 significant figure) or as 0.10 (which seems to have two significant figures, but shows the level of accuracy you get from rounding the previous number to one significant figure)?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 21, 2016, 01:23:05 pm
I already had that number memorised by the time that video came out. The short form, not the long form, obviously. Ah well, I still feel geeky.

As an aside, how would you round 0.095 to one significant figure? Would you leave the answer as 0.1 (which has 1 significant figure) or as 0.10 (which seems to have two significant figures, but shows the level of accuracy you get from rounding the previous number to one significant figure)?

It seems pretty obviously 0.1.  Rounding to 0.10 would exactly be rounding to two significant figures.  It doesn't matter how many significant figures you start with. 

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 21, 2016, 01:57:42 pm
Depends on how you want to look at things.

For typical coursework, the correct answer is 0.1 rather than 0.10.  The second one indicates two significant digits, as WW notes.

Outside of the classroom, the correct answer is really 0.10.  You want to indicate for your customer/client/whatever that the measurements made were precise to the hundredths place, even though rounding would nominally chop it to the tenths place.  This is because rounding is addition/subtraction, and addition can generate an extra significant digit when there's a carry.

On the other hand, you can also easily write 0.09(5) and be done with it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on January 21, 2016, 02:05:07 pm
I don't understand. If you're going to specify two significant digits (0.10), then why would you round it at all!? 0.095 is also two significant digits and is more accurate!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 21, 2016, 02:32:02 pm
On the other hand, you can also easily write 0.09(5) and be done with it.

0.45?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 21, 2016, 02:47:39 pm
On the other hand, you can also easily write 0.09(5) and be done with it.

0.45?

0.45!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 21, 2016, 02:53:57 pm
On the other hand, you can also easily write 0.09(5) and be done with it.

0.45?

0.45!
So, half of 0.9 is 0.45!?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 21, 2016, 02:58:18 pm
On the other hand, you can also easily write 0.09(5) and be done with it.

0.45?

0.45!
So, half of 0.9 is 0.45!?

Not quite, 0.45! is about .8856613803.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 21, 2016, 03:13:12 pm
I don't understand. If you're going to specify two significant digits (0.10), then why would you round it at all!? 0.095 is also two significant digits and is more accurate!

Well, here's the thing.  Significant digits are a fiction.  They're a shorthand for something much more useful, but rather than deluging chemistry students (and let's face it, this is almost always first introduced in chemistry) with yet another complex calculation, we simplify it.

The reality is that "one significant digit" has the same meaning as "+-~10%".  Two significant digits is +-~1%, and so forth.  These aren't exactly right, as 40 +- 5 is different from 90 +- 5, but they're close

So if you multiply 0.3 (1 sd) by 0.32 (2 sd), you get 0.096, but should only keep 1 sd.  0.1 and done, right?  Well...

The reality is that these measurements really "mean" 0.3 +- 0.05, and 0.32 +- 0.005.  Or, as bounds, 0.25 to 0.35, and 0.315 to 0.325.  If we multiply the bounds, we have a range in the final answer of:

0.25 x 0.315 = 0.07875 to 0.35 x 0.325 = .11375 = 0.09625 +- 0.0175

When chopped down to the maximum sd (2) from earlier, this is 0.096 +- 0.018

Now, here's where significant digits become a problem:

One sd is 0.1, which implies 0.1 +- 0.05
Two sd is 0.096, which implies 0.096 +- 0.0005
If we write 0.10, that implies 0.1 +- 0.005

The actual uncertainty is somewhere between the first and the third.  What to use, then?  Let's use the actual answer, 0.096 +- 0.018.  That eliminates our uncertainty with respect to... uncertainty.

--------

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.

First, if you only have one significant digit in one of your measurements, you don't need to use significant digits anyway; your measurement is all but useless.  In reality, "one significant digit" means "using the wrong measuring implement."

Second, significant digits are best used when all values being used have similar uncertainties.  If we were multiplying 0.35 (0.345 to 0.355) and 0.47 (0.465 to 0.475), with typical sd usage the answer is 0.16 (0.155 to 0.165), and with properly described uncertainty, the range is 0.1604 to 0.1686, or 0.164 +- 0.004.  Those ranges overlap a lot better than the ranges we had in the other problem.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 21, 2016, 03:24:11 pm

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.


It's that no one cares.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 21, 2016, 03:25:48 pm

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.


It's that no one cares.

Only no one to one significant digit, though.  Could be anywhere in [-0.5,0.5) people caring.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 21, 2016, 03:34:40 pm

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.


It's that no one cares.

90-93% of people care far more than people think.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 21, 2016, 04:07:10 pm

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.


It's that no one cares.

90-93% of people care far more than people think.

73,3% of all statistics are made up!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on January 21, 2016, 04:19:43 pm

So what's the real problem here, then?  Well, there are two.


It's that no one cares.

90-93% of people care far more than people think.

73,3% of all statistics are made up!

Are you referring to my 90 - 93% estimate?

It's just an estimation but its probably not far off, its not important to be precise to the second decimal point here

In case you've missed it: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on January 21, 2016, 05:02:34 pm
I already had that number memorised by the time that video came out. The short form, not the long form, obviously. Ah well, I still feel geeky.

As an aside, how would you round 0.095 to one significant figure? Would you leave the answer as 0.1 (which has 1 significant figure) or as 0.10 (which seems to have two significant figures, but shows the level of accuracy you get from rounding the previous number to one significant figure)?

It seems pretty obviously 0.1.  Rounding to 0.10 would exactly be rounding to two significant figures.  It doesn't matter how many significant figures you start with. 



See, now that's interesting, because my intuition says 0.10 is the better answer here. You're still rounding to 1 sf, but the extra 0 implies an accuracy to within 0.005 either way - which is what you're actually within. The 0.1 answer has 1 sf but implies an uncertainty of 0.05, which is much larger than what you actually started with. On the other hand, it does only specify 1 significant figure, so I guess that it's a more true answer in the abstract sense - although usually less useful. So... I dunno. I can kinda see both sides though, I was wondering if there was an actual standard convention here.

I don't understand. If you're going to specify two significant digits (0.10), then why would you round it at all!? 0.095 is also two significant digits and is more accurate!

Same question but rounding 0.0952341245 instead then.

Edit: Now I think about it a little more though, considering that could also be rounded to 0.095 it doesn't really make much sense to use 0.10 over 0.95, even if 0.10 seems better than 0.1. Hmm. I think really this is just because rounding anything up to  the next order of magnitude just makes things horrible accuracy wise, most of the time. So yeah, 0.1 sounds like the best answer to me now, or at least it should be about 90-93% of the time.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 21, 2016, 05:12:23 pm
I already had that number memorised by the time that video came out. The short form, not the long form, obviously. Ah well, I still feel geeky.

As an aside, how would you round 0.095 to one significant figure? Would you leave the answer as 0.1 (which has 1 significant figure) or as 0.10 (which seems to have two significant figures, but shows the level of accuracy you get from rounding the previous number to one significant figure)?

It seems pretty obviously 0.1.  Rounding to 0.10 would exactly be rounding to two significant figures.  It doesn't matter how many significant figures you start with. 



See, now that's interesting, because my intuition says 0.10 is the better answer here. You're still rounding to 1 sf, but the extra 0 implies an accuracy to within 0.005 either way - which is what you're actually within. The 0.1 answer has 1 sf but implies an uncertainty of 0.05, which is much larger than what you actually started with. On the other hand, it does only specify 1 significant figure, so I guess that it's a more true answer in the abstract sense - although usually less useful. So... I dunno. I can kinda see both sides though, I was wondering if there was an actual standard convention here.

I mean, if you say 0.10 to one significant figure, that's not correct, you should be saying 0.1.  Saying 0.10 is giving two significant figures (by the regular school definition of significant figure).  Saying 0.100 would be three (though in this case you'd have 0.0950), etc.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on January 21, 2016, 09:56:51 pm
We shouldn't talk about significant digits, considering how short life is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 21, 2016, 10:09:41 pm
I have a pro tip if you want to live a better life: don't mix grapefruit juice, flat club soda and tonic water then attempt to ingest it. It will end badly.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 24, 2016, 11:51:24 am
A little something for Sunday brunch

(http://themeparkreview.com/forum/files/image_860.jpeg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 25, 2016, 04:53:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/qmEoYt6.gif) (http://imgur.com/gallery/qmEoYt6)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 25, 2016, 05:48:59 pm
So I was playing some Diablo III some time ago, and I noticed there was a name elite called "Alot" (i.e., from here (http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html)).  It even looks a bit like the image in the comic.  It's pointed out as an Easter Egg:

http://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_III_Easter_Eggs#Alot

They don't have a picture there, but:

(http://i.imgur.com/hUthyS6.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on January 25, 2016, 06:46:23 pm
Hyperbole and a half is one of the funniest things on the Internet. So sad it's not updated anymore. Anybody know if the author is doing anything similar now?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on January 26, 2016, 12:57:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/qmEoYt6.gif) (http://imgur.com/gallery/qmEoYt6)

Is that Chumlee getting slapped?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 26, 2016, 01:11:27 pm
Hyperbole and a half is one of the funniest things on the Internet. So sad it's not updated anymore. Anybody know if the author is doing anything similar now?

Last I saw her, she was on Tabletop with Wil Wheaton... and disappeared again.  Depression is hell. :(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on January 26, 2016, 01:23:56 pm
Hyperbole and a half is one of the funniest things on the Internet. So sad it's not updated anymore. Anybody know if the author is doing anything similar now?

Last I saw her, she was on Tabletop with Wil Wheaton... and disappeared again.  Depression is hell. :(

Why must hilarious people suffer from depression? It's a cruel cosmic joke.

Her bit on moving with two dogs still gives me a mighty chuckle.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on January 26, 2016, 01:46:03 pm
Hyperbole and a half is one of the funniest things on the Internet. So sad it's not updated anymore. Anybody know if the author is doing anything similar now?

She's doing ALL THE STUFF
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on January 27, 2016, 05:58:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7cl7VGO.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KaPqrIj.png)

Are you scared yet?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on January 28, 2016, 06:12:00 pm
I just saw this thing (http://digg.com/video/donald-trump-linguistics-answer-question). Not that I know much about Trump, but this made a lot of sense to me, and fits basically in what I suspected.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFo_BV-UzI
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on January 29, 2016, 08:05:46 am
It just occured to me that Tactician really should be called Strategist.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on January 29, 2016, 11:11:32 am
I just saw this thing (http://digg.com/video/donald-trump-linguistics-answer-question). Not that I know much about Trump, but this made a lot of sense to me, and fits basically in what I suspected.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFo_BV-UzI
That is impressive. I rarely understand what he is trying to say.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 29, 2016, 03:50:35 pm
I want to buy a new USB 3.0 cable for my Galaxy S5 charger (the cable that came with the phone is starting to fray).  There are lots of entries on Amazon for amazing prices... except many of the reviews suggest that they are actually cheap knock-offs.  Is there an easy way to find something that is verified authentic?

At this point I'm probably going to buy a non-Samsung cable from Best Buy.

Edit: Bahh, I'm just going to go buy the cable locally.  Even if I found something authentic, I don't want to keep using the frayed cable while waiting for shipping.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 29, 2016, 08:31:23 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 29, 2016, 08:35:16 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.
It's just a giant nonogram puzzle.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 29, 2016, 08:49:37 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.
It's just a giant nonogram puzzle.

That's part 1, yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on January 29, 2016, 08:55:45 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.
It's just a giant nonogram puzzle.

That's part 1, yes.
Oh, yes. You have to get through all the parts. I'm out.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on January 29, 2016, 09:22:11 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.
It's just a giant nonogram puzzle.

That's part 1, yes.
Oh, yes. You have to get through all the parts. I'm out.

Notably, Part 5 actually has eleven separate parts.  But there's no part 6!

Part 5 at the Torygraph Telegraph:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12125576/GCHQ-Christmas-quiz-30000-entries-not-one-perfect-answer.html
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 30, 2016, 03:03:23 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ikpBr9_nQ
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sitnaltax on January 30, 2016, 11:49:59 pm
I want to buy a new USB 3.0 cable for my Galaxy S5 charger (the cable that came with the phone is starting to fray).  There are lots of entries on Amazon for amazing prices... except many of the reviews suggest that they are actually cheap knock-offs.  Is there an easy way to find something that is verified authentic?

At this point I'm probably going to buy a non-Samsung cable from Best Buy.

Edit: Bahh, I'm just going to go buy the cable locally.  Even if I found something authentic, I don't want to keep using the frayed cable while waiting for shipping.

Monoprice is the place to go for cables and adapters of any kind. Inexpensive and fair quality.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on January 31, 2016, 12:30:23 am
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.

Dunno about these puzzles, but I just purchased The Witness.  I'll see how that goes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 02, 2016, 01:18:46 pm
Odds are that no one else will see this, but I inserted a comment in my code explaining a bit of an error check as, "Say, nice function you got here. Be an awful shame if something endless looped it."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 07, 2016, 06:59:01 am
An uncompromising (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35503077) way to deal with rhino poachers:
Quote
"They operate in four-man teams comprising a sniper, two riflemen, and a signaller," says Dyer. "They've got night vision gear and digital radios so if they need to, they can call in ground and air support."

The teams monitor 102 rhinos, but when they spot poachers, they don't arrest them. They don't even invite them to lay down their arms. Instead, they kill them - 19 so far, in split-second ambushes during which their victims probably never knew what hit them.

Dyer says this is the safest way to deal with men facing 25 years in prison if convicted.

"Technically we do have to offer them the opportunity to surrender," he adds, "but this tends to happen after they've been, er, incapacitated."
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 07, 2016, 07:06:32 am
Man, I wish I could use this method to deal with kids causing problems in the new building at work. Would make things so much easier. A little paperwork to deal with maybe, but whatever no biggie.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 08, 2016, 06:25:11 am
Happy Chinese new year and may you all be prosperous in the year of the Monkey!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: blueblimp on February 09, 2016, 03:00:47 am
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600689/we-have-the-technology-to-destroy-all-zika-mosquitoes/#/set/id/600732/
Quote
A controversial genetic technology able to wipe out the mosquito carrying the Zika virus will be available within months, scientists say.

[...]

With Zika sowing fear across Latin America and beyond, the technology is likely to get a closer look. “Four weeks ago we were trying to justify why we are doing this. Now they’re saying ‘Get the lead out,’” says James.
The pace of genetic tech progress at the moment is pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 09, 2016, 05:50:51 pm
Guitar Hero Live is pretty fun. I highly recommend not buying it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 10, 2016, 07:42:38 am
At first I was thrilled with the possibly new trend of morphing old-timey PSA videos into the stuff of nightmares. Then I saw that this was done 5 years ago. I'm kind of sad it didn't catch on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl2LiSjysBQ
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 10, 2016, 11:24:31 am
You Don't Know Jack is now old enough to drink, yet is still the only trivia game worth playing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on February 12, 2016, 03:08:27 pm
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/nobody-has-been-able-solve-gchqs-christmas-card-puzzle

Come on, f.DS, I'm sure you brilliant minds can do this.

Dunno about these puzzles, but I just purchased The Witness.  I'll see how that goes.

The Witness was great.  Has anybody else played?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Elanchana on February 15, 2016, 10:55:12 am
The adventures of Ela playing King of Sopio

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/f93b1a5f4fa68df09cc96a0e97c6a77b/tumblr_inline_o2lip9h0su1ql24zr_500.jpg)
My first time near the top of the leaderboard (that 33333 user must be a hacker)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/9a1acd2899e66098f6c3e98839deffca/tumblr_inline_o2lip93n5M1ql24zr_500.jpg)
Well, 'least I'm in good company...

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/fb39620b26fa757ac11eb62d023cfd6b/tumblr_inline_o2lipaXmdE1ql24zr_500.jpg)
Oh, cOME ON!!!!

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1102d79ad906a779acd555e590155c03/tumblr_inline_o2lip9rWdK1ql24zr_500.jpg)
hashtag got there
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 15, 2016, 11:05:58 am
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/degrees.png) (http://xkcd.com/1643/)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 15, 2016, 11:12:57 am
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/degrees.png) (http://xkcd.com/1643/)

 :(

I can relate to that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 11:23:03 am
Why is Ela assuming that 'Roadrunner' is me? There could be any number of Roadrunners running around out there!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on February 15, 2016, 11:34:15 am
Why is Ela assuming that 'Roadrunner' is me? There could be any number of Roadrunners running around out there!

I bet Ela was actually referring to that Kai guy.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sudgy on February 15, 2016, 04:23:37 pm
Once, somebody mentioned that where they were from it was zero degrees, and I asked whether it was Fahrenheit or Celsius.  Zero degrees makes so much more sense to be Celsius, so that's why I asked, even though I'm in America.  Everybody was like, "What?!?  That doesn't even make sense!"  Somebody even got kind of mad at me for "showing off how much I know".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 15, 2016, 04:47:46 pm
Once, somebody mentioned that where they were from it was zero degrees, and I asked whether it was Fahrenheit or Celsius.  Zero degrees makes so much more sense to be Celsius, so that's why I asked, even though I'm in America.  Everybody was like, "What?!?  That doesn't even make sense!"  Somebody even got kind of mad at me for "showing off how much I know".

Why does zero degrees make so much more sense to be Celsius? Unless they were talking about how hard it was to drive or something.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 15, 2016, 04:54:03 pm
Once, somebody mentioned that where they were from it was zero degrees, and I asked whether it was Fahrenheit or Celsius.  Zero degrees makes so much more sense to be Celsius, so that's why I asked, even though I'm in America.  Everybody was like, "What?!?  That doesn't even make sense!"  Somebody even got kind of mad at me for "showing off how much I know".

0F is a significant cutoff for talking about extreme temperatures in Winter.  (It's arbitrary, but still notable because of 0 as a number itself.) Reaching negative Fahrenheit is pretty cold, so it's of note when it happens.  Hitting 0C is much more common unless you're fairly far south (in the US).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on February 15, 2016, 05:21:59 pm
Fuck celsiums
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 15, 2016, 05:30:18 pm
Watching ashersky go through checking f.ds while drunk. Starts in forum games, moves to random stuff, before going to "Interview with Donald X"

Can't wait to see where he goes next.  *insert popcorn eating guy meme but I am on my phone and that is too much hassle*
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 15, 2016, 05:31:47 pm
And yes, sitting in an airport for 5 hours or so gets boring.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 15, 2016, 05:47:00 pm
Watching ashersky go through checking f.ds while drunk. Starts in forum games, moves to random stuff, before going to "Interview with Donald X"

Can't wait to see where he goes next.  *insert popcorn eating guy meme but I am on my phone and that is too much hassle*

For a second I thought you meant ashersky was drunk. I was like, "How do you know this?" Maybe he's in the airport too and you're watching over his shoulder as he browses f.DS?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on February 15, 2016, 05:51:05 pm
Watching ashersky go through checking f.ds while drunk. Starts in forum games, moves to random stuff, before going to "Interview with Donald X"

Can't wait to see where he goes next.  *insert popcorn eating guy meme but I am on my phone and that is too much hassle*

For a second I thought you meant ashersky was drunk. I was like, "How do you know this?" Maybe he's in the airport too and you're watching over his shoulder as he browses f.DS?

Holy shit lol duck lip lol
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 05:54:45 pm
Watching ashersky go through checking f.ds while drunk. Starts in forum games, moves to random stuff, before going to "Interview with Donald X"

Can't wait to see where he goes next.  *insert popcorn eating guy meme but I am on my phone and that is too much hassle*

For a second I thought you meant ashersky was drunk. I was like, "How do you know this?" Maybe he's in the airport too and you're watching over his shoulder as he browses f.DS?

Nah he said so in our mafia game.
How dare you mention current Mafia games!!!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 06:03:58 pm
Watching ashersky go through checking f.ds while drunk. Starts in forum games, moves to random stuff, before going to "Interview with Donald X"

Can't wait to see where he goes next.  *insert popcorn eating guy meme but I am on my phone and that is too much hassle*

For a second I thought you meant ashersky was drunk. I was like, "How do you know this?" Maybe he's in the airport too and you're watching over his shoulder as he browses f.DS?

Nah he said so in our mafia game.
How dare you mention current Mafia games!!!


Good point I deleted it
It wasn't a big deal!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 15, 2016, 06:06:21 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 15, 2016, 06:07:27 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 06:09:00 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.
So it's a good thing it wasn't a big deal.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 15, 2016, 06:09:06 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....
Good point, I have now deleted that post and reported posts by other people which I'm sure will be deleted any second now.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 06:09:26 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....
Good point, I have now deleted that post and reported posts by other people which I'm sure will be deleted any second now.
What?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on February 15, 2016, 06:14:25 pm
Didn't realize random stuff went into a third thread...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 15, 2016, 06:15:57 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....
Good point, I have now deleted that post and reported posts by other people which I'm sure will be deleted any second now.
What?
You clearly didn't see anything.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 15, 2016, 06:17:10 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....
Good point, I have now deleted that post and reported posts by other people which I'm sure will be deleted any second now.
What?
You clearly didn't see anything.
What was there to see?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 15, 2016, 06:22:06 pm
It's been quoted in the last several posts, so.

Yeah, you quoted it in the post saying you deleted it....

Good point, I deleted it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 15, 2016, 06:41:16 pm
Fahrenheit is awful, as are all imperial systems.

That being said, the guy in the xkcd comic should definitely use Fahrenheit in that case, using Celsius accomplishes nothing if everyone around you is used to Fahrenheit, it's not like you're going to change the world by being a douche.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 15, 2016, 07:24:50 pm
Any tips for someone going away to university for the first time?
It'll be my first time living on my own and all.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 15, 2016, 07:32:31 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 15, 2016, 07:33:37 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Yeah. I'll be living on campus.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 15, 2016, 08:07:05 pm
Does anyone even really use Fahrenheit nowadays? I know the conversion from Celsius to Farenheit is F = 9C/5 + 32 (and vice versa) but... I couldn't tell you how hot something like 70F or 50F or whatever was intuitively, I'd need to actually shove it into the formula to get it in a quantity that I understand and that people actually use.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 15, 2016, 08:12:29 pm
Does anyone even really use Fahrenheit nowadays? I know the conversion from Celsius to Farenheit is F = 9C/5 + 32 (and vice versa) but... I couldn't tell you how hot something like 70F or 50F or whatever was intuitively, I'd need to actually shove it into the formula to get it in a quantity that I understand and that people actually use.
Yes, in America I only had intuition for Farenheit until recently. Now I've done the conversion enough times that I have a decent intuition for Celsius too, but all the weather stations etc. are in Farenheit here.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 15, 2016, 08:18:38 pm
Does anyone even really use Fahrenheit nowadays? I know the conversion from Celsius to Farenheit is F = 9C/5 + 32 (and vice versa) but... I couldn't tell you how hot something like 70F or 50F or whatever was intuitively, I'd need to actually shove it into the formula to get it in a quantity that I understand and that people actually use.

Come visit the United States, though check your vaccinations first and be prepared for a stay in a third-world backward country.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 15, 2016, 08:20:51 pm
Fahrenheit is awful, as are all imperial systems.

That being said, the guy in the xkcd comic should definitely use Fahrenheit in that case, using Celsius accomplishes nothing if everyone around you is used to Fahrenheit, it's not like you're going to change the world by being a douche.

You an make the world a cleaner place.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 15, 2016, 08:21:51 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Yeah. I'll be living on campus.

You'll be fine. Socialize with the people on your floor, get into a club/association or two, try new things, know your limits with alcohol, don't overspend, don't forget to talk to your parents from time to time, enjoy the best years of your life, etc., etc.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 15, 2016, 11:22:41 pm
Fahrenheit is awful, as are all imperial systems.

I think a very persuasive argument can be made that most imperial systems are way worse than the corresponding metric systems. Not so much for temperature. The real metric system there would be to report all temperatures in Kelvin. But that's not as useful for the range temperatures that we actually experience in day-to-day life. Celsius is better for that, but so is Fahrenheit. It's way easier to convert between Kelvin and Celsius than it is to convert between Kelvin and Fahrenheit, but that doesn't matter at all if you're not doing that conversion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 15, 2016, 11:33:08 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Yeah. I'll be living on campus.

You'll be fine. Socialize with the people on your floor, get into a club/association or two, try new things, know your limits with alcohol, don't overspend, don't forget to talk to your parents from time to time, enjoy the best years of your life, etc., etc.

Just make sure to use the prevailing temperature system for your country/region.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 15, 2016, 11:36:54 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Yeah. I'll be living on campus.

You'll be fine. Socialize with the people on your floor, get into a club/association or two, try new things, know your limits with alcohol, don't overspend, don't forget to talk to your parents from time to time, enjoy the best years of your life, etc., etc.

Just make sure to use the prevailing temperature system for your country/region.

fuck celsiums!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 15, 2016, 11:48:43 pm
Will you be living in a residence?
Yeah. I'll be living on campus.

You'll be fine. Socialize with the people on your floor, get into a club/association or two, try new things, know your limits with alcohol, don't overspend, don't forget to talk to your parents from time to time, enjoy the best years of your life, etc., etc.

Just make sure to use the prevailing temperature system for your country/region.
I'm in the US, but I had chem last semester. SI units are sooooooooo much nicer to use for dimensional analysis.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 15, 2016, 11:54:53 pm
The real metric system there would be to report all temperatures in Kelvin. But that's not as useful for the range temperatures that we actually experience in day-to-day life. Celsius is better for that, but so is Fahrenheit.
I get that Kelvin is more fundamental scientifically because its 0 actually means something, but I don't see why it would be the 'real metric system'. Celsius has a better argument to make for the whole base-10 thing because of 0 and 100, and well the properties of water at one atmosphere of pressure are relevant for every day life. It's not like the meter or kilogram are special scientifically either, the thing which makes them better is the easy conversion by changing the exponent of 10.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: scott_pilgrim on February 16, 2016, 12:04:36 am
Any tips for someone going away to university for the first time?
It'll be my first time living on my own and all.

1. The most important thing, I think, is to remember that you're there to learn.  You're not there to get grades, or get a degree, or make friends, or do fun stuff.  You should do those things too, but that's not why you're going to university.  So you should take classes in areas that you like, even if they're hard, or if you hate the professor.  One of my biggest regrets in college was dropping an analysis class in the first week because some people said it was the hardest class in the school.  Another one of my biggest regrets was giving up on learning abstract algebra because I (and everyone else) hated the professor.  I don't regret it because I did badly in the class, but because I still had access to textbooks and classmates that could have helped me to learn the material better, and I didn't take advantage of that to learn something that I really love.  So even if you can't improve your grades, if you like the subject content in the class, take advantage of your university's resources to learn that material as best you can.

Sort of along with this point, you should find opportunities to build skills related to your major outside of classes.  There was a math club at my school that I never participated in, because I thought, I'm majoring in math, why would I make myself do more math.  But now I wish that I had done so, because a. it gives you opportunities to learn things or solve problems you would never get to do in class, b. it gives you chances to meet people with similar interests, and c. leading into my next point, it might give you opportunities to make good impressions on a professor.

2. Try to pick one or two professors that you get along with, and/or whose class(es) you know you're doing well in, and make an effort to make sure they know who you are (by asking lots of questions/giving lots of answers/contributing to discussions in class, and/or by speaking to them outside of class).  That way, when you're applying for jobs and/or grad school, you have someone you know will write you a strong recommendation.  It may sound hard if you're shy (like me), but if you're shy, it'll be harder to approach professors who don't know you and ask for recommendations.  (That being said, if you don't take this advice, don't feel discouraged about asking professors for recommendations later if you need them.)

3. Make some friends, and spend time studying with them and hanging out with them.  You don't have to make a lot of friends.  Personally I think a few really close friends is better than a lot of distant friends, but this is sort of an introvert vs. extrovert thing I think.  Studying with friends is a really good habit to get into.  It's more fun than studying by yourself, and both you and the friend(s) you're studying with will learn more than when you study by yourself, AND you'll finish whatever you're working on faster.

Okay so how do you make friends?  For me, I joined a few clubs and made almost all of my friends through those.  That was easy because my school had an insane amount of clubs and organizations (in the 200's I think), so pretty much anything you could be interested in (like board games and Smash Bros.), my school had a club for it.  It's easy to make friends who share common interests.  But outside of clubs, you can also make friends just by hanging out somewhere and doing things you enjoy.  Just go play Dominion online in a public place, and if someone else who likes Dominion sees you, they'll stop and talk to you about it.  For some reason my experience is that college students are friendlier and easier to get along with than other people.  I was playing sporcle before class one time and some guy behind me I'd never met before just started whispering answers to me.  I'm not sure why I brought up that example, I just thought it was funny.

4. Don't go into college expecting to meet your dream girl (or guy if you're homosexual, but girl again if you're a girl, but guy if you're a straight girl, or either one if you're bisexual, I think I've covered all my bases).  You might, a lot of people do, and if you do that's great.  But it's not necessary for having a good time in college, and it's bad to have a perspective of "I need a girl/boyfriend to be happy".

I don't drink or party in general, so it's not really fair for me to say this, but I think that aspect of college is overrated.  If you spend time with friends doing stuff you love, college will be the best time of your life.

I'm just going to reiterate my first point because I think it's really important.  You're not at school to get good grades or get a degree.  Those are just formalities that tell potential hirers or grad schools that you've learned what you say you've learned.  You're there to learn new stuff.  Having this perspective should help to relieve you from some of the stress that comes with difficult classes and tough workload, while also helping you to learn more efficiently (because you'll be studying for the sake of learning, and not for the sake of passing a test).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 16, 2016, 12:23:52 am
Wow. Thanks for the great advice! I've actually never drank before...and I'm not really planning on it I guess? I agree that it seems like a hugely overrated part of college life, though of course I've never experienced it myself. I'm straight (thanks for covering all those bases though  ;D), and I appreciate the admonition about the expectations of meeting a possible life partner in school--as I definitely have/had that expectation. I must admit, I'd probably be a bit sad if I was finished with college without meeting someone "special" or whatever. I'm not a terribly outgoing person, and it seems like it's difficult to meet people once you're out of school? Or so it seems to me at least.

Up to this point in my academic career, I have been really focused on my GPA. I really appreciate your take on the true purpose of education, as I sometimes do feel a bit cynical about things and have almost certainly avoided some courses in order to protect my grades. I do feel really passionate about my major though (computer science). It took me a while in community college to really settle on what felt right for me, but I find the subject matter incredibly engaging, so that's a positive.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 16, 2016, 01:16:36 am
Dammit, I just realized I'm supposed to be the high school teacher giving out life advice.  Falling down on the job here.  Tomorrow, perhaps, though scott_pilgrim said a lot of good things already.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on February 16, 2016, 02:12:26 am
Once, somebody mentioned that where they were from it was zero degrees, and I asked whether it was Fahrenheit or Celsius.  Zero degrees makes so much more sense to be Celsius, so that's why I asked, even though I'm in America.  Everybody was like, "What?!?  That doesn't even make sense!"  Somebody even got kind of mad at me for "showing off how much I know".

0F is a significant cutoff for talking about extreme temperatures in Winter.  (It's arbitrary, but still notable because of 0 as a number itself.) Reaching negative Fahrenheit is pretty cold, so it's of note when it happens.  Hitting 0C is much more common unless you're fairly far south (in the US).
I like to think -40° is quite significant too. But you've got to travel pretty far north for that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 16, 2016, 04:57:33 am
Fahrenheit is awful, as are all imperial systems.

I think a very persuasive argument can be made that most imperial systems are way worse than the corresponding metric systems. Not so much for temperature. The real metric system there would be to report all temperatures in Kelvin. But that's not as useful for the range temperatures that we actually experience in day-to-day life. Celsius is better for that, but so is Fahrenheit. It's way easier to convert between Kelvin and Celsius than it is to convert between Kelvin and Fahrenheit, but that doesn't matter at all if you're not doing that conversion.

I almost concluded that post by saying Kelvin was the best anyway, Celsius simply being the more convenient in everyday life version of Kelvin.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 16, 2016, 08:05:16 am
The real metric system there would be to report all temperatures in Kelvin. But that's not as useful for the range temperatures that we actually experience in day-to-day life. Celsius is better for that, but so is Fahrenheit.
I get that Kelvin is more fundamental scientifically because its 0 actually means something, but I don't see why it would be the 'real metric system'. Celsius has a better argument to make for the whole base-10 thing because of 0 and 100, and well the properties of water at one atmosphere of pressure are relevant for every day life. It's not like the meter or kilogram are special scientifically either, the thing which makes them better is the easy conversion by changing the exponent of 10.

In metric systems, correct me if I'm wrong, but multiplying something always means you that multiple amount of it. Double 10 metres and you're travelling twice as far. Triple 10 kilograms and you have something three times as massive. Double 10 degrees Celsius and you don't get something twice as hot. But if you multiply 30 Kelvin by 3, you do get something three times as hot. So that's a pretty reasonable argument for using Kelvin as the standard unit.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2016, 09:29:31 am
(snip)

Very important.  Learning is really all that matters.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2016, 09:30:59 am
Once, somebody mentioned that where they were from it was zero degrees, and I asked whether it was Fahrenheit or Celsius.  Zero degrees makes so much more sense to be Celsius, so that's why I asked, even though I'm in America.  Everybody was like, "What?!?  That doesn't even make sense!"  Somebody even got kind of mad at me for "showing off how much I know".

0F is a significant cutoff for talking about extreme temperatures in Winter.  (It's arbitrary, but still notable because of 0 as a number itself.) Reaching negative Fahrenheit is pretty cold, so it's of note when it happens.  Hitting 0C is much more common unless you're fairly far south (in the US).
I like to think -40° is quite significant too. But you've got to travel pretty far north for that.

It is, but it doesn't happen much in most of America.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 16, 2016, 09:31:18 am
Probably the most interesting thing I read about for university was a differentiation of the existing type of scales. I don't know the english terms, but...

type 0 - distribute things to other things (e.g. persons to their nationality)
type 1 - also have a defined order (e.g. ranks after a tournament)
type 2 - also have sensible distances (e.g. degree celsius)
type 3 - also have zero be the real zero, which gives you sensible proportions (e.g. other metric units, degree Kelvin)
type 4 - also have your number be the real number rather than a measure (e.g. # of people in a region)

The book also said that school grades (at least in Germany) are only type 1, making it mathematically nonsensical to calculate their mean. Instead, they suggest you add up points of all tests during the year and then map their sum onto a grade.

so yeah, celsius is inferior to kelvin in that way.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2016, 09:33:40 am
Wow. Thanks for the great advice! I've actually never drank before...and I'm not really planning on it I guess? I agree that it seems like a hugely overrated part of college life, though of course I've never experienced it myself. I'm straight (thanks for covering all those bases though  ;D), and I appreciate the admonition about the expectations of meeting a possible life partner in school--as I definitely have/had that expectation. I must admit, I'd probably be a bit sad if I was finished with college without meeting someone "special" or whatever. I'm not a terribly outgoing person, and it seems like it's difficult to meet people once you're out of school? Or so it seems to me at least.

Up to this point in my academic career, I have been really focused on my GPA. I really appreciate your take on the true purpose of education, as I sometimes do feel a bit cynical about things and have almost certainly avoided some courses in order to protect my grades. I do feel really passionate about my major though (computer science). It took me a while in community college to really settle on what felt right for me, but I find the subject matter incredibly engaging, so that's a positive.

I never drank until I was 29, almost 30.  It has helped a lot for dating (well, maybe).. a little bit for other social life.  Otherwise, it's highly overrated.

If you do decide to start drinking, do so for actual taste and not just for the sake of drinking alcohol.  Avoid people that want to 'get drunk'.  At least, that's my advice. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 16, 2016, 09:48:38 am
And if you're sensitive to the taste of alcohol like I am, then you won't be in much mood to drink much anyway.

So I generally don't drink for the taste, though I confess a pretty high tolerance for White Russians and Amaretto Sours. Most drinks I can taste the alcohol, which ruins it for me. If I do go for the alcohol, I just do shots. Might as well get that bad taste all over with in a quick gulp.

But I agree that it's not necessary to get drunk just to get drunk. Yeah, it can feel good and loosen you up, but one shouldn't have to rely on it. Everybody handles stress differently. My wife likes to drink a margarita after a rough day at work. I guess I'm perfectly content chilling in front of the computer and playing a game to unwind.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 16, 2016, 09:50:09 am
Wow. Thanks for the great advice! I've actually never drank before...and I'm not really planning on it I guess? I agree that it seems like a hugely overrated part of college life, though of course I've never experienced it myself. I'm straight (thanks for covering all those bases though  ;D), and I appreciate the admonition about the expectations of meeting a possible life partner in school--as I definitely have/had that expectation. I must admit, I'd probably be a bit sad if I was finished with college without meeting someone "special" or whatever. I'm not a terribly outgoing person, and it seems like it's difficult to meet people once you're out of school? Or so it seems to me at least.

Up to this point in my academic career, I have been really focused on my GPA. I really appreciate your take on the true purpose of education, as I sometimes do feel a bit cynical about things and have almost certainly avoided some courses in order to protect my grades. I do feel really passionate about my major though (computer science). It took me a while in community college to really settle on what felt right for me, but I find the subject matter incredibly engaging, so that's a positive.

If your university has a climbing wall, go climbing!!!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on February 16, 2016, 10:34:02 am
Any tips for someone going away to university for the first time?
It'll be my first time living on my own and all.

Some good advice has already been given, but I'll add a couple of additional points that I feel somewhat strongly about. Keep in mind that I have spoken to others who feel completely the opposite of what I am about to say, but I will try to back up my statement with an argument that I believe to be convincing.

Get a job (if possible). If it isn't possible explore the possibility. If it isn't possible. Volunteer, a lot!

I didn't work for money. I mean, I got paid and that was nice. But I already had a scholarship and living expenses were covered as well. So money wasn't an issue. I know it is for some people and part-time jobs are necessary for getting an education, hopefully you aren't in that boat.

The experience I received was extremely beneficial. More so to the point that it stopped me from pursuing careers that I would have ended up absolutely hating. I had four jobs during my college years.

One working for the university paper when I thought I wanted to be a journalist. One working as a TA when I thought I wanted to be a teacher/professor. One working a secretary in a law office when I thought I wanted to go into law. One as a lab assistant when I thought I wanted to be a laboratory scientist and the career I ultimately stuck with and continue to really enjoy.

While I didn't hate the first three jobs I quickly saw and realized that I would not enjoy a long, lasting career in those professions and was quickly able to course correct my education/major/job to something different.

My wife (who I ended up marrying toward the end of college did the same, but that is a separate situation and one that others have already talked about) and it was just as beneficial to her. We both refused to work full time. I for one saw way too many students as a TA who did work full time either fail classes or drop out completely. But we were able to graduate with $10,000 saved between us. That allowed enormous flexibility when it came to actually choosing a job to get into as neither of us felt compelled to say yes to the first crappy job that came along offering really low pay and was part of the chunk that we used to make a large(r) down payment on our first house. But the money was just a fridge benefit.

As others have said, the purpose of college is to learn. So if a college job starts to become more important than learning, it isn't being done right. But if you can use a job to learn about a prospective career and make some money on the side while enhancing your education, I say absolutely go for it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2016, 10:39:41 am
Regarding job, most colleges have some sort of work study program, where you can work at one of the college offices.  That's what I did, through the tutoring center.  The pay was small, but it's also manageable hours, and it was something I liked doing.

Additionally, the learning center at my undergrad college had a bulletin board for external tutoring opportunities (not current students).  They'd call and leave their number, and anyone could take the info and contact them, and set up independent things.  That's how  I earned a lot of my money in undergrad.

Of course, Yuma has a point of looking into careers that you're actually interested in.  For me, I new I was going to grad school pretty soon after I started, and already knew what I intended with my degree, so it wasn't as important to look into particular industries. 

Edit: On the other hand, I had no savings when I graduated college, nor when I finished grad school. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 16, 2016, 11:08:10 am
The real metric system there would be to report all temperatures in Kelvin. But that's not as useful for the range temperatures that we actually experience in day-to-day life. Celsius is better for that, but so is Fahrenheit.
I get that Kelvin is more fundamental scientifically because its 0 actually means something, but I don't see why it would be the 'real metric system'. Celsius has a better argument to make for the whole base-10 thing because of 0 and 100, and well the properties of water at one atmosphere of pressure are relevant for every day life. It's not like the meter or kilogram are special scientifically either, the thing which makes them better is the easy conversion by changing the exponent of 10.

In metric systems, correct me if I'm wrong, but multiplying something always means you that multiple amount of it. Double 10 metres and you're travelling twice as far. Triple 10 kilograms and you have something three times as massive. Double 10 degrees Celsius and you don't get something twice as hot. But if you multiply 30 Kelvin by 3, you do get something three times as hot. So that's a pretty reasonable argument for using Kelvin as the standard unit.
Oh hey - it's like it's actually a measure! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics)) (well, in the sense of additivity; total kinetic energy (heat) would work better since it isn't averaged). That's certainly a good reason to call it metric. Thanks, it just clicked. In fact I remember always having to convert Celsius to Kelvin in chemistry class for this very reason.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 16, 2016, 11:52:38 am
Oh, something else about university: you might feel very lost in your courses for a term or two, the difference with high school can be quite a shock. It's perfectly normal! Don't despair or think that you are worthless and everybody else is smarter than you. I mean, obviously there will always be people that are smarter than you, but most will feel just as lost as you do. Just keep calm and carry on. I'll repeat scott_pilgrim's advice about working with other students, it really helps with productivity and motivation.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2016, 12:16:35 pm
Oh, something else about university: you might feel very lost in your courses for a term or two, the difference with high school can be quite a shock. It's perfectly normal! Don't despair or think that you are worthless and everybody else is smarter than you. I mean, obviously there will always be people that are smarter than you, but most will feel just as lost as you do. Just keep calm and carry on. I'll repeat scott_pilgrim's advice about working with other students, it really helps with productivity and motivation.

Fun story from my first analysis course.  This was the first course I ever had that was actually difficult.  My first homework got utterly torn apart by the instructor because I had written like you might for a basic Calculus course or something, not using real sentences or anything.  I was also heavily overloading that semester, so I was pretty sleep deprived all the time.  Anyway, four or five of us in the class used to get together to work on the homework, and we were all pretty equally lackluster.  (We were allowed to collaborate in such a manner, by the way.)  Maybe if the homework had 50 points, we were getting low or mid 30's.  I don't remember gaining anything from those study sessions.  For the last two or three homeworks, I ended up just not going with the other people and going off by myself to work on the problems.  All of the sudden, more scores jump up like 10 points and I actually understand what's going on.

Working with other students can be helpful, but it can also be a distraction. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on February 16, 2016, 12:31:02 pm
Wow. Thanks for the great advice! I've actually never drank before...and I'm not really planning on it I guess? I agree that it seems like a hugely overrated part of college life, though of course I've never experienced it myself. I'm straight (thanks for covering all those bases though  ;D), and I appreciate the admonition about the expectations of meeting a possible life partner in school--as I definitely have/had that expectation. I must admit, I'd probably be a bit sad if I was finished with college without meeting someone "special" or whatever. I'm not a terribly outgoing person, and it seems like it's difficult to meet people once you're out of school? Or so it seems to me at least.

Up to this point in my academic career, I have been really focused on my GPA. I really appreciate your take on the true purpose of education, as I sometimes do feel a bit cynical about things and have almost certainly avoided some courses in order to protect my grades. I do feel really passionate about my major though (computer science). It took me a while in community college to really settle on what felt right for me, but I find the subject matter incredibly engaging, so that's a positive.

I never drank until I was 29, almost 30.  It has helped a lot for dating (well, maybe).. a little bit for other social life.  Otherwise, it's highly overrated.

If you do decide to start drinking, do so for actual taste and not just for the sake of drinking alcohol.  Avoid people that want to 'get drunk'.  At least, that's my advice.
Agree, I spent most of uni not drinking, and worked fine for me (other than living in a house with Tables).
And if you do want to start drinking, I recommend trying different things out, to see what you like.
Also, don't leave your assignments until the last day before starting them- lots of people do, but it's just unnecessary stress.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 16, 2016, 12:56:28 pm
If you do decide to start drinking, do so for actual taste and not just for the sake

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 16, 2016, 02:40:19 pm
Oh, something else about university: you might feel very lost in your courses for a term or two, the difference with high school can be quite a shock. It's perfectly normal! Don't despair or think that you are worthless and everybody else is smarter than you. I mean, obviously there will always be people that are smarter than you, but most will feel just as lost as you do. Just keep calm and carry on. I'll repeat scott_pilgrim's advice about working with other students, it really helps with productivity and motivation.
Yeah. I've already been going to community college for a while,  and I'm transferring in as a junior. I'm sure university classes will still be significantly more difficult though. I'm sure it will take me a while to be ok with not getting A's.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 16, 2016, 04:02:08 pm
Oh, something else about university: you might feel very lost in your courses for a term or two, the difference with high school can be quite a shock. It's perfectly normal! Don't despair or think that you are worthless and everybody else is smarter than you. I mean, obviously there will always be people that are smarter than you, but most will feel just as lost as you do. Just keep calm and carry on. I'll repeat scott_pilgrim's advice about working with other students, it really helps with productivity and motivation.
Yeah. I've already been going to community college for a while,  and I'm transferring in as a junior. I'm sure university classes will still be significantly more difficult though. I'm sure it will take me a while to be ok with not getting A's.

You seem like a smart guy, you can probably still get mostly A's if you try hard enough.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on February 16, 2016, 04:35:51 pm
The only effort increase I saw between Community College and University was in travel time. However, the larger difference was in the lack of flexibility offered by the university. I had multiple classes either cancelled or had their days changed after I registered. As I was focused on my major, my three options were: pay for useless credits and maintain health insurance, work two days less per week and hope I could not go broke, or take less classes and throw off my plan to complete the necessary (once-per-year) courses.

Needless to say, I have been on a University hiatus for nearly 10 years, with my BS degree waiting. The downside of my college->university transition is that I spent 6 years, full time, in school and still need 2 full years of courses to complete my major.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 16, 2016, 04:52:44 pm
If you do decide to start drinking, do so for actual taste and not just for the sake

I see what you did there.

WW had the right spirit.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on February 16, 2016, 06:42:30 pm
So I heard Dominion: Empires was coming out...

(http://i.imgur.com/skkKQK6.png)

(EDIT: I was not aware of any drama at the time of creating this. If I knew, I would have done something completely different.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: markusin on February 16, 2016, 06:48:15 pm
Woah, Random Stuff Part III? When are we going to release the trilogy on Blu-ray?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 16, 2016, 07:00:44 pm
Woah, Random Stuff Part III? When are we going to release the trilogy on Blu-ray?

Once this thread gets 100+ posts
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 16, 2016, 07:01:03 pm
Correction: pages
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 16, 2016, 07:35:25 pm
Woah, Random Stuff Part III? When are we going to release the trilogy on Blu-ray?

Once this thread gets 100+ posts

Don't forget the two years spent adding a bunch of shit CGI no one wanted.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: markusin on February 16, 2016, 07:55:41 pm
Woah, Random Stuff Part III? When are we going to release the trilogy on Blu-ray?

Once this thread gets 100+ posts

Don't forget the two years spent adding a bunch of shit CGI no one wanted.

I literally laughed out loud after reading this. A rare feat!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 16, 2016, 07:59:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/x3HSVgL.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 16, 2016, 11:44:21 pm
If you do decide to start drinking, do so for actual taste and not just for the sake

I see what you did there.

WW had the right spirit.

I kinda want to wine about this barley getting upvoted.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2016, 07:45:07 am
I literally laughed out loud after reading this. A rare feat!

Now I want to use an acronym LLOL to include literally. But I rarely LLOL, so I'll probably never type it (except for here).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2016, 10:19:06 am
I literally laughed out loud after reading this. A rare feat!

Now I want to use an acronym LLOL to include literally. But I rarely LLOL, so I'll probably never type it (except for here).

Laugh literally out loud?

Laugh loudly or literally?

Literally loud overture (of) laughter?

Laudanum literally originates laughter?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on February 17, 2016, 12:06:21 pm
I literally laughed out loud after reading this. A rare feat!

Now I want to use an acronym LLOL to include literally. But I rarely LLOL, so I'll probably never type it (except for here).

Laugh literally out loud?

Laugh loudly or literally?

Literally loud overture (of) laughter?

Laudanum literally originates laughter?

Pretty sure it means Let's Lose our Legs
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2016, 12:07:44 pm
I literally laughed out loud after reading this. A rare feat!

Now I want to use an acronym LLOL to include literally. But I rarely LLOL, so I'll probably never type it (except for here).

Laugh literally out loud?

Laugh loudly or literally?

Literally loud overture (of) laughter?

Laudanum literally originates laughter?

Pretty sure it means Let's Lose our Legs

He said he wanted 'literally' in there.  Literally lose our legs?  Literally loose our legs?  Literally loosen our legs?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2016, 01:17:37 pm
Laugh literally out loud?

Laugh loudly or literally?

Literally loud overture (of) laughter?

Laudanum literally originates laughter?

LOLL
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2016, 01:19:39 pm
Whew, dodged a bullet, but it would have been one I fired myself.

A local production of the Nerd apparently lost their leading man, so they were in desperate need of a replacement. The show opens in under 4 weeks. That would have been a helluva rehearsal schedule. I'm sure I would have been up for the challenge, but I'm glad I hemmed and hawed and allowed someone else to step forward. I'm not certain I really want that stress, though it would have been exciting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 17, 2016, 06:31:24 pm
I haven't really been in the main Dominion discussion part of the board much these last few days but it looks like there's been some kind of drama going on? A ton of locked posts and threads reaching 5+ pages in a day or two. What's happening, in short?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2016, 06:36:12 pm
I haven't really been in the main Dominion discussion part of the board much these last few days but it looks like there's been some kind of drama going on? A ton of locked posts and threads reaching 5+ pages in a day or two. What's happening, in short?

People were quoting from ongoing Mafia games. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 17, 2016, 06:37:34 pm
I haven't really been in the main Dominion discussion part of the board much these last few days but it looks like there's been some kind of drama going on? A ton of locked posts and threads reaching 5+ pages in a day or two. What's happening, in short?

In short:  Drama, and you don't want to know more.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 17, 2016, 06:50:00 pm
I haven't really been in the main Dominion discussion part of the board much these last few days but it looks like there's been some kind of drama going on? A ton of locked posts and threads reaching 5+ pages in a day or two. What's happening, in short?
A tangled web was weaved, but I will explain it as well as I possibly can. Keep in mind that I am quite the biased/influential individual.

In short, AdamH was frustrated because league moderators didn't want him to commentate the match, and apparently the personally insulted him by PM (this has not been confirmed and probably never will be). A lot of people sided with people other than Adam, which obviously made him more frustrated.

WanderingWinder then left the forum.
Then Schadd made his funny post about how there was nothing going on between him and assemble_me.
Then J Reggie made a nice, feel good post about how the forum was so great.
J Reggie's post was the only one that wasn't locked. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 17, 2016, 07:02:41 pm
I liked Kirian's explanation much better than RR's.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 17, 2016, 07:24:44 pm
I liked Kirian's explanation much better than RR's.

I feel a lot more informed by Roadrunners, but Kirians seems like the better Respect whoring option, and IIRC that's the point of the Dominionstrategy forums anyway.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 17, 2016, 07:29:27 pm
I really wish people would not do that kind of thing. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14758.msg569029#msg569029) It's so rude.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 17, 2016, 07:31:36 pm
I liked Kirian's explanation much better than RR's.
Me, too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 17, 2016, 07:40:00 pm
I liked Kirian's explanation much better than RR's.

I feel a lot more informed by Roadrunners, but Kirians seems like the better Respect whoring option, and IIRC that's the point of the Dominionstrategy forums anyway.

It truly wasn't intended as respect-whoring, just not wanting the Random Stuff thread to get infected.  Not to mention the standard "If it's locked, stop talking about it elsewhere" forum etiquette.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 17, 2016, 08:01:45 pm
It truly wasn't intended as respect-whoring, just not wanting the Random Stuff thread to get infected.  Not to mention the standard "If it's locked, stop talking about it elsewhere" forum etiquette.

I don't think it's necessary to stop talking about locked threads elsewhere, as long as you don't start the same conversations again. We're talking about decline of civility, Gunpowder and KC being more skippable than people think all the time (or maybe around 90-93% of the time) and it never causes any problems.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 17, 2016, 08:05:08 pm
It truly wasn't intended as respect-whoring, just not wanting the Random Stuff thread to get infected.  Not to mention the standard "If it's locked, stop talking about it elsewhere" forum etiquette.

I don't think it's necessary to stop talking about locked threads elsewhere, as long as you don't start the same conversations again. We're talking about decline of civility, Gunpowder and KC being more skippable than people think all the time (or maybe around 90-93% of the time) and it never causes any problems.
It never causes any problems because anyone who would disagree with you on those topics has been banned.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 17, 2016, 08:06:30 pm
Why be so afraid of having a discussion? It is the rudeness in discussions that's causing the problems, not the discussion itself - to me, I'd say discussing something is almost always better than not discussing it, just as a general life lesson.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 17, 2016, 08:07:40 pm
It truly wasn't intended as respect-whoring, just not wanting the Random Stuff thread to get infected.  Not to mention the standard "If it's locked, stop talking about it elsewhere" forum etiquette.

I don't think it's necessary to stop talking about locked threads elsewhere, as long as you don't start the same conversations again. We're talking about decline of civility, Gunpowder and KC being more skippable than people think all the time (or maybe around 90-93% of the time) and it never causes any problems.
It never causes any problems because anyone who would disagree with you on those topics has been banned.

I don't think anyone was banned due to decline of civility on Isotropic.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 17, 2016, 08:11:51 pm
That's why I was commenting on the popcorn post. I think that's the worst thing that you can possibly do in threads with high stake discussions, regardless of what they're about or who is right. All it does is showcase apathy towards other people's feelings, and I think encouraging it via upvotes is a massive mistake. Wouldn't this be a discussion worth having?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 17, 2016, 08:14:54 pm
That's why I was commenting on the popcorn post. I think that's the worst thing that you can possibly do in threads with high stake discussions, regardless of what they're about or who is right. All it does is showcase apathy towards other people's feelings, and I think encouraging it via upvotes is a massive mistake. Wouldn't this be a discussion worth having?
I fully agree with this. I would've hoped something like that wouldn't have been posted, I consider everyone on this forum quite mature (except RR, that guy is something else). I think posts like those contribute to the lockage of threads, which is obviously something we don't want, because threads are strictly better than non-threads.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 17, 2016, 08:21:02 pm
That's why I was commenting on the popcorn post. I think that's the worst thing that you can possibly do in threads with high stake discussions, regardless of what they're about or who is right. All it does is showcase apathy towards other people's feelings, and I think encouraging it via upvotes is a massive mistake. Wouldn't this be a discussion worth having?

You don't have to overthink it, it's just a popcorn post.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 17, 2016, 08:33:43 pm
You don't have to overthink it, it's just a popcorn post.

I'm arguing that it hurts feelings of the people who are having the stakes in the discussion.

Maybe that's only the case for me, because I'm sensitive, but I don't think so. Neither Adam nor Stef upvoted any of the off topic posts.

And it's not like not doing it is a big loss, there is an entire rest of the forum to post jokes in.

I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 17, 2016, 08:37:36 pm
I agree with silver, but it's also really hard for me not to poke fun, which is why I've been writing and then immediately deleting a lot of posts lately.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 17, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

(http://i.imgur.com/wXH24Tk.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 17, 2016, 09:00:03 pm
I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

There is indeed nothing worse than that in those situations. Vaguely tolerable on the Internet, but I don't think anything gets me more worked up IRL.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 17, 2016, 09:16:10 pm
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

Here, have an emergency Venn diagram:

(http://media.rhizome.org/blog/3492/venn-diagram.jpeg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 17, 2016, 09:24:27 pm
I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

There is indeed nothing worse than that in those situations. Vaguely tolerable on the Internet, but I don't think anything gets me more worked up IRL.

I have done something like that in the past more than once. I don't enjoy the least bit to see smart people sling mud at each other. I do it to draw attention to the fact that they are offering a spectacle to onlookers, and to make them question whether that's what they really want to do (instead of calming down, trying to see the other's person perspective, or reaching a compromise, etc.).

Obviously it only works when it's clear you are being ironic, which is harder online...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2016, 09:28:51 pm
I'm pretty sure my answer is correct.  People talked about ongoing games then the threads got locked. Explain that, Obama.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on February 17, 2016, 09:31:48 pm
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

(http://i.imgur.com/wXH24Tk.jpg)
How can we get off topic if we're talking about random stuff?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2016, 09:34:48 pm
You don't have to overthink it, it's just a popcorn post.

I'm arguing that it hurts feelings of the people who are having the stakes in the discussion.

Maybe that's only the case for me, because I'm sensitive, but I don't think so. Neither Adam nor Stef upvoted any of the off topic posts.

And it's not like not doing it is a big loss, there is an entire rest of the forum to post jokes in.

I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

Actually I like to think stuff like that breaks the tension when there is an argument/disagreement.  That's usually why I do it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on February 17, 2016, 09:41:28 pm
I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

There is indeed nothing worse than that in those situations. Vaguely tolerable on the Internet, but I don't think anything gets me more worked up IRL.

I have done something like that in the past more than once. I don't enjoy the least bit to see smart people sling mud at each other. I do it to draw attention to the fact that they are offering a spectacle to onlookers, and to make them question whether that's what they really want to do (instead of calming down, trying to see the other's person perspective, or reaching a compromise, etc.).

Obviously it only works when it's clear you are being ironic, which is harder online...

Okay, that's interesting. I don't think people will get that, though.

Also, if I understand the intention, then it's only a good idea if the discussion shouldn't take place, right? Or at least not in public.

Actually I like to think stuff like that breaks the tension when there is an argument/disagreement.  That's usually why I do it.

This is more the reason I expected, and I really think it doesn't come across that way, even if the intention is good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 17, 2016, 09:55:33 pm
Also, if I understand the intention, then it's only a good idea if the discussion shouldn't take place, right? Or at least not in public.

The "onlookers" are metaphorical, might as well just be me. Whether the discussion should or shouldn't take place is not the point. It's more that the direction the discussion has taken is not going anywhere other than people shouting past each other, and I know they can do better.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on February 17, 2016, 10:41:02 pm
Here, have an emergency Venn diagram:
The one I always remember is - NSFW? - http://explosm.net/comics/2883
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 18, 2016, 01:17:47 am
Here, have an emergency Venn diagram:
The one I always remember is - NSFW? - http://explosm.net/comics/2883


Somehow I had never seen that one, despite its age.

Now if only Cyanide and Happiness hadn't decided to create another CAH clone...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 18, 2016, 02:40:55 am
I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

There is indeed nothing worse than that in those situations. Vaguely tolerable on the Internet, but I don't think anything gets me more worked up IRL.

I have done something like that in the past more than once. I don't enjoy the least bit to see smart people sling mud at each other. I do it to draw attention to the fact that they are offering a spectacle to onlookers, and to make them question whether that's what they really want to do (instead of calming down, trying to see the other's person perspective, or reaching a compromise, etc.).

Obviously it only works when it's clear you are being ironic, which is harder online...

The thing is : they already know. When you do that, it's because people are making a scene and you're uncomfortable, but do you really think the people fighting don't know that ? As someone who used to get angry really easily, let me assure you : they know. The best way to deal with it is to ignore it and go away, or ask them to sotp it/go away, not to mock them.

On the Internet, ignoring it is so, so easy and is the right solution 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 18, 2016, 02:42:26 am
You don't have to overthink it, it's just a popcorn post.

I'm arguing that it hurts feelings of the people who are having the stakes in the discussion.

Maybe that's only the case for me, because I'm sensitive, but I don't think so. Neither Adam nor Stef upvoted any of the off topic posts.

And it's not like not doing it is a big loss, there is an entire rest of the forum to post jokes in.

I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

Actually I like to think stuff like that breaks the tension when there is an argument/disagreement.  That's usually why I do it.

This never works. It defuses the tension for people who are not participating in the argument yeah, but not for the people you actually want to calm down.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on February 18, 2016, 03:20:13 am
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

(http://i.imgur.com/wXH24Tk.jpg)

Everyone's first thought when seeing a picture like this is how tasty rabbit is when prepared well, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: enfynet on February 18, 2016, 03:45:45 am
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

(http://i.imgur.com/wXH24Tk.jpg)

Everyone's first thought when seeing a picture like this is how tasty rabbit is when prepared well, right?
I was actually wondering where its pancake hat was...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on February 18, 2016, 03:49:05 am
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

(http://i.imgur.com/wXH24Tk.jpg)

Everyone's first thought when seeing a picture like this is how tasty rabbit is when prepared well, right?


(http://coniglioitaliano.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/coniglio-alla-senape-680x380.jpg)

There's actually an entire website dedicated to this.  http://coniglioitaliano.it/coniglio-alla-senape/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 18, 2016, 05:42:32 am
You don't have to overthink it, it's just a popcorn post.

I'm arguing that it hurts feelings of the people who are having the stakes in the discussion.

Maybe that's only the case for me, because I'm sensitive, but I don't think so. Neither Adam nor Stef upvoted any of the off topic posts.

And it's not like not doing it is a big loss, there is an entire rest of the forum to post jokes in.

I just... you know, I think most people, when they're upset about something, don't really want to see others having fun with that.

I don't think it hurts anyone's feelings, it's just par for the course when you're having a heated argument online.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 18, 2016, 07:44:58 am
Here, have an emergency Venn diagram:
The one I always remember is - NSFW? - http://explosm.net/comics/2883


Even before I clicked it, I suspected that's what it was.

At least it's no Tubgirl. Yay?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 18, 2016, 07:45:30 am
How can we get off topic if we're talking about random stuff?


NOT RANDOM ENOUGH!

Cabinets.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 18, 2016, 08:00:57 am
Rolled 1d55 : 47, total 47
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on February 18, 2016, 09:03:50 am
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d55 : 47, total 47

Pseudo-Random Stuff Part III
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 18, 2016, 10:05:36 am
Bloody hell, my arm is in pain. I was giving blood, and I don't know if my phlebotomist was channeling Jacques Clouseau or Hannibal Lecter.

If I was a first-timer, that would have turned me off of giving blood entirely.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 18, 2016, 02:35:49 pm
I had a really bad first time blood giving experience and never went again.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on February 18, 2016, 03:03:51 pm
A good friend of mine once asked me join him in blood giving procedure to help his grandpa who needed it due to some forthcoming operation.
So we both took a day off and went to hospital, but they turned both of us down for some silly reasons which I don't remember.
We then got some beers, went to my place and watched a nice idiotic zombie movie. THE END.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on February 18, 2016, 03:38:13 pm
A good friend of mine once asked me join him in blood giving procedure to help his grandpa who needed it due to some forthcoming operation.
So we both took a day off and went to hospital, but they turned both of us down for some silly reasons which I don't remember.
We then got some beers, went to my place and watched a nice idiotic zombie movie. THE END.

A vampire movie would have been much more appropriate.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 18, 2016, 03:42:09 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on February 18, 2016, 03:44:52 pm
What happens if you report Theory?
Theory might get banned
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 18, 2016, 03:44:59 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?

Well, remember that the report button isn't just for things like bad behavior, it's also for needs to be moved, or please make sticky, or whatnot.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 18, 2016, 03:46:13 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?

Well, remember that the report button isn't just for things like bad behavior, it's also for needs to be moved, or please make sticky, or whatnot.
So...Theory becomes sticky?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 18, 2016, 03:49:37 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?

Well, remember that the report button isn't just for things like bad behavior, it's also for needs to be moved, or please make sticky, or whatnot.
So...Theory becomes sticky?

And you're accusing me of making lewd jokes?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: singletee on February 18, 2016, 03:53:03 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?

Don't do it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on February 18, 2016, 04:09:01 pm
I did this a few days ago, and I wonder what happened: What happens if you report Theory?

Don't do it.

Nice signature
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on February 18, 2016, 04:25:21 pm
I had a really bad first time blood giving experience and never went again.

As someone who works for a laboratory company that has "an arm" (Ha! Get it) in the blood donating/banking business I would strongly encourage you to give it another go.

Every day I hear a report that the hospital we supply product to is critically low on blood and platelets and it is a stretch to get these products to the critical ill patients that need them. And I know that many other hospitals around the country (at least in the US) are in the same situations.

All of that is if you can stomach to go of course. If the thought of it upsets you so much that you might faint or hyperventilate or vomit the phlebotomist probably wont' accept your blood anyways.

I would guess that I have given around 50 times (approximately every 8 weeks since I was 18) and probably had a "bad experience" in maybe two or three of them. Unfortunately phlebotomy isn't an exact science and doesn't pay well.

But at least they give you cookies!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 18, 2016, 04:30:22 pm
I tried giving blood when I was 18 when they came to my high school. They had problems, and it put me off giving blood. I didn't even try again for a long time.

I think I finally gave it a try at work sometime in my late 20s. I'm actually sad I didn't give it another try sooner. Today's experience truly sucked, but the staff is varied enough that it's not common.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on February 18, 2016, 04:40:18 pm
My parents were in Ukraine during Mad Cow disease, so that might disqualify me. It disqualifies them, at any rate.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Archetype on February 18, 2016, 05:23:59 pm
I get terribly nauseous around blood, talking about anatomy, etc. and have a given blood...once. And because a friend talked me into it. It was a pretty freaky experience and am unlikely to do it again, so mad props to anyone who consistently donates blood because you're a whole lot braver than I am.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: gkrieg13 on February 18, 2016, 05:42:02 pm
I lived in Russia for two years so they won't let me give blood for a while. The one time I tried, I passed out before they could get me to the chair so I've never been too excited to do it again
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 18, 2016, 06:01:25 pm
My parents were in Ukraine during Mad Cow disease, so that might disqualify me. It disqualifies them, at any rate.

What does Ukraine have to do with Creutzfeldt-Jacob/Mad Cow ? The one they always ask about is Great Britain. And they only ask if you were there, not your parents (at least in France).

Been giving blood very regularly for about three years, never had a bad experience. Aside from the fact that giving platlets is a bit uncomfortable, which I often do since they often need it and many people are ineligible/unwilling because it takes up a lot more time and, well, it's uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on February 18, 2016, 07:02:36 pm
In Germany, mad cow disease was referred to as BSE. I was very proud of knowing that it stood for "Bovine spongiforme Enzephalopathie", and that this means spongeformed brain in cows.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 18, 2016, 07:39:51 pm
I don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada you can't give blood if you've spent more than 5 years in Europe before 2007, because of mad cow disease. Or if you've spent 3 or more months in the UK during the epidemy.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 18, 2016, 08:36:47 pm
Prion diseases will probably destroy the human race eventually anyway.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sudgy on February 19, 2016, 12:34:58 am
I have never noticed how fun it is to watch people eat salad.  They try so hard to get food on their fork, then they get one tiny thing on their fork and just give up and take a bite.  It's the most entertaining thing ever.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on February 19, 2016, 01:40:17 am
I don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada you can't give blood if you've spent more than 5 years in Europe before 2007

That's insane.

Though I suppose the same could be said about the whole "living in Britain at a certain time", since I've gotta assume giving blood in the UK has more lax rules, otherwise basically no one there over the age of 10 would be able to give.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2016, 11:32:10 am
I have never noticed how fun it is to watch people eat salad.  They try so hard to get food on their fork, then they get one tiny thing on their fork and just give up and take a bite.  It's the most entertaining thing ever.

Maybe you need to hang around people who know how to use a fork?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2016, 12:00:11 pm
That's why chopsticks are better.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on February 19, 2016, 12:03:03 pm
I have never noticed how fun it is to watch people eat salad.  They try so hard to get food on their fork, then they get one tiny thing on their fork and just give up and take a bite.  It's the most entertaining thing ever.

You are an evil individual..

I enjoy that too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Polk5440 on February 19, 2016, 02:12:28 pm
Woah, guys, we're veering off topic again, and I'm all out of pie charts.

[ img ]A Wascally Wabbit[ /img ]

How can we get off topic if we're talking about random stuff?

Hypothesis: the random stuff thread is a random walk.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 20, 2016, 12:14:27 am
I have never noticed how fun it is to watch people eat salad.  They try so hard to get food on their fork, then they get one tiny thing on their fork and just give up and take a bite.  It's the most entertaining thing ever.

Now I'm going to be self-conscious every time I eat in public. Jerk.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on February 24, 2016, 03:25:16 am
My cute degenerate friends shot a music video and I'm starring there. Check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetEEtPvCfA
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on February 24, 2016, 01:16:36 pm
My cute degenerate friends shot a music video and I'm starring there. Check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetEEtPvCfA

You are the fish, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on February 24, 2016, 03:04:02 pm
You are the fish, right?

To some extent we all are
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on February 25, 2016, 03:44:31 am
You are the fish, right?

To some extent we all are
Hi.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on February 25, 2016, 03:01:17 pm
You are the fish, right?

To some extent we all are

(http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/a88/858/burning-fish-to-mark-the-end-of-carnaval-campanillas.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 26, 2016, 08:48:46 am
My brain was hurting from reading a gaming post earlier this week. It was a fluff post asking if people prefer d20 or d100 (for the uninitiated, d20 refers to a 20-sided die and d100 refers to two 10-sided dice determining tens and ones [or there is literally a 100-sided golf ball die]). Since many gamers started with D&D and it uses a d20, they declared a fondness for that die. Not too surprising.

But then one guy said he prefers d20 because it's more random than the d100. I sputtered and explained that they're both random. There's no "more" about it. He elaborated that you're more likely to get a 7 or lower on a d20 than a 35 or lower on a d100 because of the d100's bell curve. To my credit, I managed to say that the d100 did not have a bell curve while not exploding. Mostly I was still trying to figure out what premise he was working with because he called it 2d10 (again for the uninitiated, that's two 10-sided dice added together). I found his terminology confusing because while I concur that 2d10 does have a bell curve, you can't get 35 with that. I mean, technically, you have a 100% chance of rolling 35 or lower on 2d10. So I really wanted to know what this guy thinks is being rolled before going all mathy on him.

Someone else beat me to the punch and explained the probability distribution. The original guy never responded back, which I read as him realizing the error and not pressing the issue. A part of me kind of hoped he clung to his original idea and tried to defend it, but that was just my asshole side wanting to get into an argument.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on February 26, 2016, 08:59:19 am
For the record, I think both have merits. One is simpler while the other comes with a more precise scale. I hate the golf balls, though. Almost impossible to read the results. :S
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on February 26, 2016, 09:01:11 am
My brain was hurting from reading a gaming post earlier this week. It was a fluff post asking if people prefer d20 or d100 (for the uninitiated, d20 refers to a 20-sided die and d100 refers to two 10-sided dice determining tens and ones [or there is literally a 100-sided golf ball die]). Since many gamers started with D&D and it uses a d20, they declared a fondness for that die. Not too surprising.

But then one guy said he prefers d20 because it's more random than the d100. I sputtered and explained that they're both random. There's no "more" about it. He elaborated that you're more likely to get a 7 or lower on a d20 than a 35 or lower on a d100 because of the d100's bell curve. To my credit, I managed to say that the d100 did not have a bell curve while not exploding. Mostly I was still trying to figure out what premise he was working with because he called it 2d10 (again for the uninitiated, that's two 10-sided dice added together). I found his terminology confusing because while I concur that 2d10 does have a bell curve, you can't get 35 with that. I mean, technically, you have a 100% chance of rolling 35 or lower on 2d10. So I really wanted to know what this guy thinks is being rolled before going all mathy on him.

Someone else beat me to the punch and explained the probability distribution. The original guy never responded back, which I read as him realizing the error and not pressing the issue. A part of me kind of hoped he clung to his original idea and tried to defend it, but that was just my asshole side wanting to get into an argument.

Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 26, 2016, 09:31:22 am
So I really wanted to know what this guy thinks is being rolled before going all mathy on him.

1d10 + 10*(1d10) is a sum of independent random variables, "so by the central limit theorem is concentrated near its mean"?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 26, 2016, 09:54:41 am
Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.

Hmm, I can see that argument, but I think a d10 is still evenly distributed. The even and odd sides both have a 50% of coming up. Given that, each of the five numbers on that side have a 20% chance of coming up. So you still have a uniform distribution of results even though the d10 is not a platonic solid. Even the wonky dice like the d46 that are built like the d10 would be evenly distributed. I heard rumors of a d17, though I'd be really curious about that distribution.

I view the d20 and d100 as essentially identical. If all you care about are 5% increments, then both do the job just as well. Granted, you only need to roll 1 die with a d20 and 2 dice with a d100 (unless you use a heathen golf ball). If you need greater degrees of successes, then a d100 will let you capture the 2% chance of such-and-such happening. And really if you need more precision than that, you could technically implement a d1000 or even d10k roll, though that is probably not a game I would be interested in.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 09:56:38 am
Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.

Hmm, I can see that argument, but I think a d10 is still evenly distributed. The even and odd sides both have a 50% of coming up. Given that, each of the five numbers on that side have a 20% chance of coming up. So you still have a uniform distribution of results even though the d10 is not a platonic solid. Even the wonky dice like the d46 that are built like the d10 would be evenly distributed. I heard rumors of a d17, though I'd be really curious about that distribution.

I view the d20 and d100 as essentially identical. If all you care about are 5% increments, then both do the job just as well. Granted, you only need to roll 1 die with a d20 and 2 dice with a d100 (unless you use a heathen golf ball). If you need greater degrees of successes, then a d100 will let you capture the 2% chance of such-and-such happening. And really if you need more precision than that, you could technically implement a d1000 or even d10k roll, though that is probably not a game I would be interested in.


Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on February 26, 2016, 10:42:52 am
Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.

Hmm, I can see that argument, but I think a d10 is still evenly distributed. The even and odd sides both have a 50% of coming up. Given that, each of the five numbers on that side have a 20% chance of coming up. So you still have a uniform distribution of results even though the d10 is not a platonic solid. Even the wonky dice like the d46 that are built like the d10 would be evenly distributed. I heard rumors of a d17, though I'd be really curious about that distribution.

I view the d20 and d100 as essentially identical. If all you care about are 5% increments, then both do the job just as well. Granted, you only need to roll 1 die with a d20 and 2 dice with a d100 (unless you use a heathen golf ball). If you need greater degrees of successes, then a d100 will let you capture the 2% chance of such-and-such happening. And really if you need more precision than that, you could technically implement a d1000 or even d10k roll, though that is probably not a game I would be interested in.


Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

It's symmetric?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 10:48:27 am
Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.

Hmm, I can see that argument, but I think a d10 is still evenly distributed. The even and odd sides both have a 50% of coming up. Given that, each of the five numbers on that side have a 20% chance of coming up. So you still have a uniform distribution of results even though the d10 is not a platonic solid. Even the wonky dice like the d46 that are built like the d10 would be evenly distributed. I heard rumors of a d17, though I'd be really curious about that distribution.

I view the d20 and d100 as essentially identical. If all you care about are 5% increments, then both do the job just as well. Granted, you only need to roll 1 die with a d20 and 2 dice with a d100 (unless you use a heathen golf ball). If you need greater degrees of successes, then a d100 will let you capture the 2% chance of such-and-such happening. And really if you need more precision than that, you could technically implement a d1000 or even d10k roll, though that is probably not a game I would be interested in.


Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

It's symmetric?

What do you mean by this?  I'm pretty sure it does not have the same symmetries that a (regular) die with 4, 6, 8, 12, or 20 sides has.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 26, 2016, 10:53:05 am
Well, one could argue that a d10 is not a platonic solid and thus the results are not evenly distributed, right? In that sense, d20 is "more random" I think. That's why I prefer d20 to d10 anyway.

Hmm, I can see that argument, but I think a d10 is still evenly distributed. The even and odd sides both have a 50% of coming up. Given that, each of the five numbers on that side have a 20% chance of coming up. So you still have a uniform distribution of results even though the d10 is not a platonic solid. Even the wonky dice like the d46 that are built like the d10 would be evenly distributed. I heard rumors of a d17, though I'd be really curious about that distribution.

I view the d20 and d100 as essentially identical. If all you care about are 5% increments, then both do the job just as well. Granted, you only need to roll 1 die with a d20 and 2 dice with a d100 (unless you use a heathen golf ball). If you need greater degrees of successes, then a d100 will let you capture the 2% chance of such-and-such happening. And really if you need more precision than that, you could technically implement a d1000 or even d10k roll, though that is probably not a game I would be interested in.


Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

It's symmetric?

What do you mean by this?  I'm pretty sure it does not have the same symmetries that a (regular) die with 4, 6, 8, 12, or 20 sides has.

It has a transitive symmetry group: given any two faces A and B I can rotate (and reflect if necessary, although it isn't for a d10) so that A is now in the position formerly occupied by B.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:02:29 am
But it doesn't have edge and vertex symmetry.  Wouldn't this lead to a not perfectly uniform distribution?

Well, speaking intuitively.  I'm not quite sure how it all relates.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on February 26, 2016, 11:04:07 am
I like the d100 because you immediately get the probability of the roll in a comprehensible format. When you have to roll 15 or higher on a d20, first you have to do 20-14=6 and then you get 6/20 as the odds and then you still have to turn that into 3/10 or 30/100 before you can actually have a good idea of how likely it is (it's not really difficult, but it's enough of a bother that I never actually do it). When you have to roll 30 or lower on a d100, you can immediately tell that the odds are 30%.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 11:04:41 am
But it doesn't have edge and vertex symmetry.  Wouldn't this lead to a not perfectly uniform distribution?

Why would it?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on February 26, 2016, 11:05:10 am
The sides are basically indistinguishable. How could one be more probable?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 26, 2016, 11:05:27 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:09:15 am
I'm just thinking that while the faces are "the same", the edges are not.  And so the rolling process isn't, uh.. uniform.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:10:01 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 11:11:12 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.

That's what "uniform" means. An equal chance of each result.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:12:09 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.

That's what "uniform" means. An equal chance of each result.

Yes I know this.  My point is Kuildeous is not explaining, he's restating.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 11:13:37 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.

That's what "uniform" means. An equal chance of each result.

Yes I know this.  My point is Kuildeous is not explaining, he's restating.

So…you're arguing just to argue, and being obstinate just for the sake of being obstinate?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:14:53 am
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.

That's what "uniform" means. An equal chance of each result.

Yes I know this.  My point is Kuildeous is not explaining, he's restating.

So…you're arguing just to argue, and being obstinate just for the sake of being obstinate?

No, I'm saying why is it uniform.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:16:25 am
Or really I'm saying wondering how different symmetries lead to the end distribution.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 26, 2016, 11:45:48 am
Or really I'm saying wondering how different symmetries lead to the end distribution.

It has a transitive symmetry group: given any two faces A and B I can rotate (and reflect if necessary, although it isn't for a d10) so that A is now in the position formerly occupied by B.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 11:58:47 am
Or really I'm saying wondering how different symmetries lead to the end distribution.

It has a transitive symmetry group: given any two faces A and B I can rotate (and reflect if necessary, although it isn't for a d10) so that A is now in the position formerly occupied by B.

Yes but the vertices don't enjoy the same symmetry.

But maybe there's just two sets of vertex symmetries ("top" <-> "bottom" and the "sides".. or maybe the sides themselves break into two groups, I have to actually look at a die), which gives what Kuildeous is getting at.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on February 26, 2016, 12:02:29 pm
I have to actually look at a die
That sounds like an awesome idea.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 26, 2016, 12:04:26 pm
Or really I'm saying wondering how different symmetries lead to the end distribution.

It has a transitive symmetry group: given any two faces A and B I can rotate (and reflect if necessary, although it isn't for a d10) so that A is now in the position formerly occupied by B.

Yes but the vertices don't enjoy the same symmetry.

But maybe there's just two sets of vertex symmetries ("top" <-> "bottom" and the "sides".. or maybe the sides themselves break into two groups, I have to actually look at a die), which gives what Kuildeous is getting at.

You realize that's it's the faces that give you the number, not the vertices, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 12:12:28 pm
But you roll the die, you don't just pick a face at random.  There is a physical process. 

I'm not saying you're all wrong, I'm just wondering if not being regular can effect the rolling process.

Also, the "side edges" on ten sided dice around rounded.. maybe that effect plays equally on all the outcomes.  But the extent to which they're rounded should effect the extent to which the die can tumble about that plane, and if it can't really do that, then it's final result seems dependent upon its initial configuration when you start the roll.  It's not crazy to think you lose "randomness".

But, please, keep treating me like an idiot, because that's fun.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on February 26, 2016, 12:14:44 pm
If you roll a regular die, like a d6, there's a physical process as well?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 12:16:30 pm
If you roll a regular die, like a d6, there's a physical process as well?

Well, yes, so I suppose the same orientation/tumbling issue applies there.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on February 26, 2016, 12:29:07 pm
I find the arrogance some here are showing in this argument annoying. WW is trying to understand what you mean, you're not helping him at all. I still don't fully get it. I think vertices should matter, for example: In an ideal die throw, we can assume that the die is randomly rotated, with a random momentum, when it hits the table. The by far most likely case is that the die hits the table on a vertex. Not all vertices are "the same", so it is not clear why we would get a uniform distribution going from here.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 12:33:30 pm
I find the arrogance some here are showing in this argument annoying. WW is trying to understand what you mean, you're not helping him at all. I still don't fully get it. I think vertices should matter, for example: In an ideal die throw, we can assume that the die is randomly rotated, with a random momentum, when it hits the table. The by far most likely case is that the die hits the table on a vertex. Not all vertices are "the same", so it is not clear why we would get a uniform distribution going from here.

This is my thought.  Though in the ten-sided die case, you have two (three?) sets of equivalent vertices.

But, really, I think generally "fair" is simply defined to be symmetric with respect to its faces.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on February 26, 2016, 12:38:36 pm
I find the arrogance some here are showing in this argument annoying. WW is trying to understand what you mean, you're not helping him at all. I still don't fully get it. I think vertices should matter, for example: In an ideal die throw, we can assume that the die is randomly rotated, with a random momentum, when it hits the table. The by far most likely case is that the die hits the table on a vertex. Not all vertices are "the same", so it is not clear why we would get a uniform distribution going from here.

But each face relates to the same number/type of vertices in exactly the same way, as already pointed out the faces are indistinguishable.

If you make the assumption that the physical process of rolling erases any biases in the initial state then the distribution is obviously uniform. If you don't make this assumption, no dice has a uniform distribution, not even the regular ones.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: singletee on February 26, 2016, 01:16:12 pm
Suppose an idealized D10 does not produce a uniform distribution. In that case, there is one face that is at least as likely as any other, and more likely than at least one other. Without loss of generality we can assume that 1 is more likely to be rolled than 2. (Our labeling is arbitrary, not necessarily the standard D10 labeling.) Now we rotate this die such that the 2 face is now where the 1 face started out. Since the physical structure of the die is the same, the probability of rolling any given face is only dependent on its position on the die. So the 2 face ends up in the 1 spot, and the 1 face ends up somewhere other than the 1 spot. Thus 2 is at least as likely as 1, and we have a contradiction. Therefore an idealized D10 produces a uniform distribution.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on February 26, 2016, 01:19:19 pm
It's certainly possible to have a die with two faces that are the same shape, but with different chances of landing on each.  However, a d10 has much more symmetry than this: the faces are indistinguishable. 

Suppose it's our job to generate random numbers from 1 to 10.  I pick a d10 out of the box, then put it on the table in front of you.  You then paint it in the standard pattern, starting by putting a 1 on the face on the top.  I then roll the d10 and report the result.

Your job is harder than mine, so I tend to get bored easily.  To make things more interesting I start rolling the blank d10s to decide which way up to give them to you, rather than just taking them our of the box and putting them onto the table.  After you've painted the numbers on I roll the d10 and report the result as before.

In one sense this process is different from the original one: each face of each d10 is now getting a random number, with all possibilities equally likely, rather than the one it was destined to have when it was sitting in the box.  But it doesn't really matter; since blank d10's all look the same whichever way up you put them, you won't even know I've been rolling the d10s before giving them to you if I do it in the next room.  So it can't be the case that my pre-rolling has had any effect on the numbers I end up reporting.  But whichever face was destined to come up at the final roll, it now has a random number on it rather than the one it was supposed to: so our process must have been producing random numbers all along.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on February 26, 2016, 02:22:56 pm
Why do you think a d10's results are uniformly distributed?  It isn't regular.

Like I said, you have two equal chances of landing on the odd or even side. You then have five equal chances of getting 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 2, 4, 6, 8, 0, depending on what the first one was. Of course, this assumes a perfectly cut d10 so that all the planes are congruent with congruent angles between them, but we have to make that assumption for all dice anyway.

I'm not sure how I can add to that. Without trying to sound like a cop-out, why would not being regular preclude even distribution? How does a d10 not achieve even distribution?

It's the "equal chance" part that isn't clear.  You're just restating 'uniform'.

That's what "uniform" means. An equal chance of each result.

Yes I know this.  My point is Kuildeous is not explaining, he's restating.

Which is why I said that I wasn't sure how to add to that. All I could do was restate it with a little more clarification. I figured I failed to convey an aha moment, and I attempted lamely to find that moment. Obviously I didn't, and I'm not surprised. That's why I had to shift the burden to you. The concept seemed so obvious in my mind that the opposite was impossible for me to fathom. So I asked for your viewpoint so I could possibly understand it.

And I'm not treating you as an idiot. Or at least I hope I didn't look like I was. I've been in this position before with the Monty Hall puzzle. I was as convinced as I am about this d10 matter that the odds of winning increases to 1/2 that I could not fathom that the real odds were actually 2/3. At least not until I had someone explain his viewpoint so I could understand it (and see how wrong I was).

And yes, how you roll the die can affect the randomness of it. If you hold the die with the 4 face facing upward and flick your wrist the same way each time against a surface that is 84 degrees to the table with green felt, then you probably will not get a uniform distribution. But you would have that problem with regular solids too. I take random die rolls to mean that you haphazardly toss the die in a fashion that is not similar to the previous rolls. You hold it differently, you throw with a different angle, you throw with a different speed, you roll on a different surface, you bounce it off of an object, and so on. I suppose this is getting into entropy? Unless you're specifically trying to influence how the die lands, it should have enough chaos in the throw that you can treat it as true randomness.

So barring weirdness in how vertices are struck, as long as there is sufficient distance and spin applied to the die, is there a reason why the distribution of a d10 should not be uniform vs. any of the platonic solids?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 02:40:12 pm
....

I understood what you were saying, but you started out with "these have an equal chance of occurring," which is exactly what was under question.  Anyway, it wasn't your posts to which I was referring.

To me the question is not why should it not be uniform, but rather why should it be uniform.   

I think what Mic Q, singletee, and gmech said cover it. 

This is interesting, by the way:

http://mathoverflow.net/questions/46684/fair-but-irregular-polyhedral-dice

Also:

http://www-stat.stanford.edu/~cgates/PERSI/papers/fairdice.pdf
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on February 26, 2016, 02:53:21 pm
But, please, keep treating me like an idiot, because that's fun.

I am sorry if I came out that way. I didn't understand that you were talking about the influence of the initial configuration on the final configuration. But I have a feeling that you have to assume an initial configuration that is itself uniform, otherwise you would be cheating. Then your problem disappears?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 03:00:21 pm
But, please, keep treating me like an idiot, because that's fun.

I am sorry if I came out that way. I didn't understand that you were talking about the influence of the initial configuration on the final configuration. But I have a feeling that you have to assume an initial configuration that is itself uniform, otherwise you would be cheating. Then your problem disappears?

I think the essence of what I needed  (to make it 'click' for me) was this:

But each face relates to the same number/type of vertices in exactly the same way, as already pointed out the faces are indistinguishable.

I mean my general thought was: not all the vertices and edges are the same, what if they affect the actual roll in nonuniform ways?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 03:16:54 pm
I was treating you like a troll, not an idiot. But I apologize for that, too.

I guess in my mind, there is absolutely no reason the burden of proof should be on anybody but you in this case. If you don't think a d10 has a uniform probability distribution, prove why that is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 03:18:28 pm
I was treating you like a troll, not an idiot. But I apologize for that, too.

I guess in my mind, there is absolutely no reason the burden of proof should be on anybody but you in this case. If you don't think a d10 has a uniform probability distribution, prove why that is.

Well I disagree there.  I mean, it's obviously not the same as the other dice:  4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 20.  One of these is different than the others.  Turns out the difference isn't significant here, but I don't think it's dismissively obvious. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 03:19:39 pm
And also when I was posting earlier this morning I was doing other stuff simultaneously, so couldn't really explain things well, so sorry.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 26, 2016, 05:54:53 pm
Burden of proof was definitely not on witherweaver. He wasn't arguing that it wasn't uniform, just that it had yet to be shown that it was uniform.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on February 26, 2016, 05:58:16 pm
Burden of proof was definitely not on witherweaver. He wasn't arguing that it wasn't uniform, just that it had yet to be shown that it was uniform.

Right, yes.  I may not have been typing clearly though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 06:08:22 pm
Then could somebody please prove to me that a regular polyhedron does have a uniform distribution? Witherweaver does appear to take that as a given.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on February 26, 2016, 06:12:50 pm
Then could somebody please prove to me that a regular polyhedron does have a uniform distribution? Witherweaver does appear to take that as a given.
Singletee's argument works for any die with indistinguishable faces, including all regular polyhedra:

Suppose an idealized D10 does not produce a uniform distribution. In that case, there is one face that is at least as likely as any other, and more likely than at least one other. Without loss of generality we can assume that 1 is more likely to be rolled than 2. (Our labeling is arbitrary, not necessarily the standard D10 labeling.) Now we rotate this die such that the 2 face is now where the 1 face started out. Since the physical structure of the die is the same, the probability of rolling any given face is only dependent on its position on the die. So the 2 face ends up in the 1 spot, and the 1 face ends up somewhere other than the 1 spot. Thus 2 is at least as likely as 1, and we have a contradiction. Therefore an idealized D10 produces a uniform distribution.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on February 27, 2016, 05:14:26 pm
Today I visited the Coventry Transport Museum with my sister. It was fun. I also decided to be a total rebel.

(http://i.imgur.com/FeBxu2R.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sudgy on March 01, 2016, 12:26:07 am
I'm just going to put this here, because me and my brother keep trolling each other with it:

http://imgur.com/OnlBGBh
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2016, 04:11:14 pm
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/artificial%20intelligence.png)

Based on the results of this poll, I'd say that natural stupidity is a far greater threat to humanity.

(the poll was originally on The Telegraph)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on March 01, 2016, 04:19:27 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. The answer is obviously yes, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 01, 2016, 04:24:51 pm
Do we even know that a human made that poll?  Or that only humans voted in it?!  AI already outnumbers us!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 01, 2016, 04:27:54 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. The answer is obviously yes, right?

This is correct.  Regardless of the possibility, humans should be worried about all possible threats in the universe.  Aliens, zombies, vampires, robots, pirates.  Be worried an appropriate amount and be done.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 01, 2016, 04:35:36 pm
Do we even know that a human made that poll?  Or that only humans voted in it?!  AI already outnumbers us!
I firmly believe that WW made this post so that we won't expect him to be AI, but I'm onto him.

Vote: WW
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 01, 2016, 04:43:10 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. The answer is obviously yes, right?

This is correct.  Regardless of the possibility, humans should be worried about all possible threats in the universe.  Aliens, zombies, vampires, robots, pirates.  Be worried an appropriate amount and be done.
This is venturing into RSP territory, but AI is getting to the point where they are replacing jobs and not really opening up too many more. That's what's worrying. We'll have to rethink how the world works if people can't realistically be expected to be employed.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 01, 2016, 05:01:07 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. The answer is obviously yes, right?

This is correct.  Regardless of the possibility, humans should be worried about all possible threats in the universe.  Aliens, zombies, vampires, robots, pirates.  Be worried an appropriate amount and be done.
This is venturing into RSP territory, but AI is getting to the point where they are replacing jobs and not really opening up too many more. That's what's worrying. We'll have to rethink how the world works if people can't realistically be expected to be employed.

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: gkrieg13 on March 01, 2016, 05:06:20 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. The answer is obviously yes, right?

This is correct.  Regardless of the possibility, humans should be worried about all possible threats in the universe.  Aliens, zombies, vampires, robots, pirates.  Be worried an appropriate amount and be done.
This is venturing into RSP territory, but AI is getting to the point where they are replacing jobs and not really opening up too many more. That's what's worrying. We'll have to rethink how the world works if people can't realistically be expected to be employed.

Or you can program the AI.  Then you'll have lots of jobs!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 01, 2016, 05:09:32 pm
Exactly the video I was thinking of, Kirian.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 01, 2016, 11:31:41 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/AXrFM3a.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on March 02, 2016, 05:35:19 pm
Maybe delete that? no, thank you.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/f9dswo.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on March 02, 2016, 06:06:35 pm
Maybe delete that? no, thank you.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/f9dswo.png)

Funny because I just deleted it about an hour ago.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 04, 2016, 02:19:28 am
Yesterday while I was on duty at lunchtime, we spotted a large group of year 11's (15-16 year olds) - perhaps about 10 of them - head behind one of the buildings where there's a small grassy bank. There's nothing around the back there, and it's a camera blind spot, so we figured that there was definitely something going on. Almost certainly cigarettes, alcohol or worse. I was in a 1st floor room and stayed there while 1-2 others in the room went down to check what was going on.

We saw them, and a few other teachers who had spotted the kids, go around the back there and tell all the kids to come out, stopping them and asking what was going on. Some just ran (bad idea, since everyone knows their names anyway), most looked guilty. One teacher looped around to the other side to stop them escaping that way. That teacher managed to find exactly what it was they were doing around there.

He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.

It was a very surreal experience. Definitely not what I expected to happen.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on March 04, 2016, 08:58:55 am
Yesterday while I was on duty at lunchtime, we spotted a large group of year 11's (15-16 year olds) - perhaps about 10 of them - head behind one of the buildings where there's a small grassy bank. There's nothing around the back there, and it's a camera blind spot, so we figured that there was definitely something going on. Almost certainly cigarettes, alcohol or worse. I was in a 1st floor room and stayed there while 1-2 others in the room went down to check what was going on.

We saw them, and a few other teachers who had spotted the kids, go around the back there and tell all the kids to come out, stopping them and asking what was going on. Some just ran (bad idea, since everyone knows their names anyway), most looked guilty. One teacher looped around to the other side to stop them escaping that way. That teacher managed to find exactly what it was they were doing around there.

He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.

It was a very surreal experience. Definitely not what I expected to happen.
I am not smart enough to smuggle illegal pizza into my school. Can you give me tips from those people?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 04, 2016, 09:30:42 am
Yesterday while I was on duty at lunchtime, we spotted a large group of year 11's (15-16 year olds) - perhaps about 10 of them - head behind one of the buildings where there's a small grassy bank. There's nothing around the back there, and it's a camera blind spot, so we figured that there was definitely something going on. Almost certainly cigarettes, alcohol or worse. I was in a 1st floor room and stayed there while 1-2 others in the room went down to check what was going on.

We saw them, and a few other teachers who had spotted the kids, go around the back there and tell all the kids to come out, stopping them and asking what was going on. Some just ran (bad idea, since everyone knows their names anyway), most looked guilty. One teacher looped around to the other side to stop them escaping that way. That teacher managed to find exactly what it was they were doing around there.

He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.

It was a very surreal experience. Definitely not what I expected to happen.
I am not smart enough to smuggle illegal pizza into my school. Can you give me tips from those people?

Why do you want tips from people who got caught?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 04, 2016, 10:14:08 am
He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.
Why are there rules that forbid this?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on March 04, 2016, 02:01:47 pm
He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.
Why are there rules that forbid this?
They didn't bring enough for the whole class.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 04, 2016, 03:23:25 pm
He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.
Why are there rules that forbid this?
1) having food delivered:
a) there are unknown adults on campus
b) is disruptive
2) students aren't often allowed to go off campus during school hours for safety/liability reasons
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 04, 2016, 03:32:34 pm
They could smuggle drugs in the pizzas!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 04, 2016, 05:26:46 pm
He came back from the other side carrying three full boxes of take away pizza. They had literally just smuggled... pizza... into school. It's still against the rules, so it was taken off them.
Why are there rules that forbid this?

There's no rules specifically forbidding pizza, but there's various rules they were breaking. For instance 1) They were eating in an area that wasn't a designated eating area; 2) They were in an area they aren't allowed to go during the school day (I know this kind of implies point 1 but the entire area around there is not an eating area), 3) It would require a delivery onto the site in some form, which is just bad in a bunch of ways (all visitors should sign in, nobody should be visiting a pupil without permission anyway, etc.).

Plus it gets even more silly when you consider the canteen sells pizza anyway, at probably a similar price per slice and similar quality.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 05, 2016, 07:18:09 pm
I have a Dominion question that does not deserve its own thread: Is the artwork in Dominion painted or is the artwork made on a computer?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 05, 2016, 07:19:07 pm
I have a Dominion question that does not deserve its own thread: Is the artwork in Dominion painted or is the artwork made on a computer?

Yes.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on March 05, 2016, 09:42:57 pm
I have a Dominion question that does not deserve its own thread: Is the artwork in Dominion painted or is the artwork made on a computer?

The cards are made by tons of different artists. Most are probably digital, but for sure some are physical mediums.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 05, 2016, 10:39:15 pm
Follow up question:
What are some types of merchants (spice merchants, for example)?
What are some types of mongers (ironmongers, fishmongers, deathmongers, etc)?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on March 05, 2016, 11:32:24 pm
Follow up question:
What are some types of merchants (spice merchants, for example)?
What are some types of mongers (ironmongers, fishmongers, deathmongers, etc)?
I'll offer up Ismail Merchant and Squallmonger.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 05, 2016, 11:40:02 pm
Follow up question:
What are some types of merchants (spice merchants, for example)?
What are some types of mongers (ironmongers, fishmongers, deathmongers, etc)?
I'll offer up Ismail Merchant and Squallmonger.
How did Awaclus manage to figure out Donald's forum password?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 06, 2016, 04:40:58 am
Follow up question:
What are some types of merchants (spice merchants, for example)?
What are some types of mongers (ironmongers, fishmongers, deathmongers, etc)?
I'll offer up Ismail Merchant and Squallmonger.
How did Awaclus manage to figure out Donald's forum password?

In reality, it's just Wandering Winder who has figured out everyone's password.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 07, 2016, 06:14:17 pm
Guitar Hero Live is pretty fun. I highly recommend not buying it.

I'm disappointed nobody bothered to comment on this weird statement. Since nobody has and it's been almost a month, I'm just going to explain. The game is fun, but the component quality is awful. I've had two guitars, with a total of three crippling defects between them. As in, defects that make the game effectively unplayable and need either fixing or replacing. My co-worked who had the game before me had 1 out of 2 guitars being defective. That's a small sample size, but it's averaging one defect per guitar. Then there's the issue of the game itself. It just doesn't give you a nice calibration option any more. The current calibration system is much harder to get right, and seems to drift between play sessions as well - one day it seems fine, the next every note is registered early.

It's a fun game, and makes for an interesting new Guitar Hero experience, but man, just don't bother. It's too much hassle.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 07, 2016, 08:17:09 pm
Guitar Hero Live is pretty fun. I highly recommend not buying it.

I'm disappointed nobody bothered to comment on this weird statement. Since nobody has and it's been almost a month, I'm just going to explain. The game is fun, but the component quality is awful. I've had two guitars, with a total of three crippling defects between them. As in, defects that make the game effectively unplayable and need either fixing or replacing. My co-worked who had the game before me had 1 out of 2 guitars being defective. That's a small sample size, but it's averaging one defect per guitar. Then there's the issue of the game itself. It just doesn't give you a nice calibration option any more. The current calibration system is much harder to get right, and seems to drift between play sessions as well - one day it seems fine, the next every note is registered early.

It's a fun game, and makes for an interesting new Guitar Hero experience, but man, just don't bother. It's too much hassle.

Didn't Mad Catz exclusively make those Guitars in some big deal they made with whoever developed Guitar Hero? If so, that would be why. Mad Catz is crap. When I first got a GameCube, I had a Mad Catz controller. Whenever I plugged it in, the GameCube would stop working within 3 minutes. I thought my GameCube was broken, it was so bizarre.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: markusin on March 07, 2016, 09:15:32 pm
Guitar Hero Live is pretty fun. I highly recommend not buying it.

I'm disappointed nobody bothered to comment on this weird statement. Since nobody has and it's been almost a month, I'm just going to explain. The game is fun, but the component quality is awful. I've had two guitars, with a total of three crippling defects between them. As in, defects that make the game effectively unplayable and need either fixing or replacing. My co-worked who had the game before me had 1 out of 2 guitars being defective. That's a small sample size, but it's averaging one defect per guitar. Then there's the issue of the game itself. It just doesn't give you a nice calibration option any more. The current calibration system is much harder to get right, and seems to drift between play sessions as well - one day it seems fine, the next every note is registered early.

It's a fun game, and makes for an interesting new Guitar Hero experience, but man, just don't bother. It's too much hassle.

You know, I feel like Guitar Hero 6 was the best Guitar Hero/Rock Band game I played (which includes Guitar Hero 1-3+Metallica and Rock Band 1-2+Beatles). They mastered the formula and worked out the kinks with all the experience they got making GH games, at least for guitar. Plus it has that sweet PSN connection for any DLC you want (plus importing from previous games).

Sadly, it came out when no one cared for the franchise anymore. I see it as sort of an apology game for flooding the market.

Now this new Guitar Hero Live is out. I'm unimpressed with the setlist

I am sad to hear about the defective Guitars. My guitar could use replacing. Or I could just play Rocksmith. Rocksmith is good fun.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 08, 2016, 02:36:17 am
I feel like the gameplay in GHL is great. Having something like 200+ songs available for free is great, and I like the new guitar layout, makes things interesting. But there's just so many issues with it as well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: markusin on March 08, 2016, 11:00:52 am
I feel like the gameplay in GHL is great. Having something like 200+ songs available for free is great, and I like the new guitar layout, makes things interesting. But there's just so many issues with it as well.

Ooh I didn't notice the Guitar Hero TV feature. That sounds pretty sweet actually. Sadly I do not have a PS4/Xbox One.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: funkdoc on March 08, 2016, 02:54:18 pm
it's still really funny to me that madcatz of all companies came out with the best arcade joysticks for fighting games.  i knew their stuff was crap before that, and i still hear nonstop how everything of theirs is crap besides the sticks.

their main fighting-game guy just left the company though, he was the one who set up the daigo vs. lupe fiasco match in SF5 if anyone knows about that.  so we'll see if that stuff suffers the same fate as the rest...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 08, 2016, 03:31:15 pm
I'm thinking about getting either Dark Souls 3 when it comes out or Street Fighter V. Which should I get? F.DS DECIDES!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 08, 2016, 03:32:08 pm
I'm thinking about getting either Dark Souls 3 when it comes out or Street Fighter V. Which should I get? F.DS DECIDES!

Dark Souls 3 because unlike the latter, it's probably good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 08, 2016, 05:03:45 pm
Dark Souls 3.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 08, 2016, 05:06:27 pm
5 > 3

Street fighter
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on March 08, 2016, 05:08:42 pm
5 > 3

Street fighter

Might you go so far as to say 5 <3?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on March 08, 2016, 05:09:38 pm
Going to assume by the fact that you are even asking this question, you are new to Souls? I will say Dark Souls 3, but with the preface that you should play the previous Souls games (including Demon's Souls) and Bloodborne first if you haven't, as DS3 has many references to those games, and they're all great and well worth your time anyway. (You can skip Dark Souls 2 if you don't have time for it; it was made by a different team/director and typically seen as not quite up to the same quality, which I personally agree with) At the very least, you should play Dark Souls 1. I can't comment on SF because I haven't played one of those since SFII, but I would have to imagine if you wait on it you could get a better deal when the turbo ultra deluxe pony edition comes out.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 08, 2016, 05:39:32 pm
Going to assume by the fact that you are even asking this question, you are new to Souls? I will say Dark Souls 3, but with the preface that you should play the previous Souls games (including Demon's Souls) and Bloodborne first if you haven't, as DS3 has many references to those games, and they're all great and well worth your time anyway. (You can skip Dark Souls 2 if you don't have time for it; it was made by a different team/director and typically seen as not quite up to the same quality, which I personally agree with) At the very least, you should play Dark Souls 1. I can't comment on SF because I haven't played one of those since SFII, but I would have to imagine if you wait on it you could get a better deal when the turbo ultra deluxe pony edition comes out.

I've played Bloodborne.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: funkdoc on March 08, 2016, 06:27:59 pm
as someone who has very little good to say about SF4 or marvel vs. capcom 3, i've been pleasantly surprised with SF5 thus far.  capcom actually followed through on the "back to basics" approach here, whereas SF4 ended up being a weird jumble of classic SF and guilty gear/blazblue style gameflow.  this is from the perspective of somebody who's played in tournaments since 2001, mind you.

if you aren't the kind of person who drives 3 hours and pays money to press buttons next to dudes who haven't showered in 2 days, i strongly recommend waiting on SF5.  the launch has been a disaster with the majority audience, as the game offers nothing to do besides play story mode and get bodied online.  they're going to add more modes & features at some point in the future, so that would likely be the point you want to jump in.  plenty more characters will be out by then too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 09, 2016, 02:33:57 am
I'm not that good when it comes to fighting games. But I've had a blast with SFV. I've played some online games with random people and enjoyed those. But mainly I've played with a  friend who is much better than me. But I've still had a great time with it. The Souls series is great, though. I would say go for that. Unless you have friends you enjoy playing fighting games with.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 09, 2016, 03:40:02 pm
Yay, new iPhone 7 coming out and guess what, there's no headphone jack. You'll have to connect Apple approved Bluetooth wireless headphones if you want to listen to your music now. Another $100. I like Apple products, but I'm getting really sick of this blatant rip-off. I don't care if the phone is thinner. If anything, I want it bigger, so at least the battery life is better.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on March 09, 2016, 03:53:29 pm
5 > 3

Street fighter

Might you go so far as to say 5 <3?
How am I the first +1?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 09, 2016, 04:04:31 pm
Too many math purists
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: J Reggie on March 10, 2016, 12:59:29 am
Yay, new iPhone 7 coming out and guess what, there's no headphone jack. You'll have to connect Apple approved Bluetooth wireless headphones if you want to listen to your music now. Another $100. I like Apple products, but I'm getting really sick of this blatant rip-off. I don't care if the phone is thinner. If anything, I want it bigger, so at least the battery life is better.

This is why I dislike Apple. I'm not really a big fan of their products, but I'll admit that they make some quality stuff. But the fact that they make the only hardware that runs their software means that they can pull stuff like this, forcing you to buy extra equipment if you want to use their software at all. If a manufacturer for hardware that runs Android, Windows, or whatever software competing with Apple tried this, they would lose business. But that's just me, no hard feelings towards anyone who likes Apple.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2016, 01:16:10 am
This is why I dislike Apple. I'm not really a big fan of their products, but I'll admit that they make some quality stuff. But the fact that they make the only hardware that runs their software means that they can pull stuff like this, forcing you to buy extra equipment if you want to use their software at all. If a manufacturer for hardware that runs Android, Windows, or whatever software competing with Apple tried this, they would lose business. But that's just me, no hard feelings towards anyone who likes Apple.

That's actually the only merit of Apple products for me. You don't have to worry about compatibility when they're the ones making everything you use.

Although obviously, it is not enough of a merit to compensate for the fact that you have to pay 1.5-2 times (or even more in some cases) the price for hardware with similar specs and then it comes with an OS which is far less versatile and customizable than, say, Windows.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on March 10, 2016, 04:45:01 am
This is why I dislike Apple. I'm not really a big fan of their products, but I'll admit that they make some quality stuff. But the fact that they make the only hardware that runs their software means that they can pull stuff like this, forcing you to buy extra equipment if you want to use their software at all. If a manufacturer for hardware that runs Android, Windows, or whatever software competing with Apple tried this, they would lose business. But that's just me, no hard feelings towards anyone who likes Apple.

That's actually the only merit of Apple products for me. You don't have to worry about compatibility when they're the ones making everything you use.

Although obviously, it is not enough of a merit to compensate for the fact that you have to pay 1.5-2 times (or even more in some cases) the price for hardware with similar specs and then it comes with an OS which is far less versatile and customizable than, say, Windows.

That may be true, but I'd say Windows is significantly more annoying to do anything in once you get used to the Unix way of doing things. A lot more things "just work" on OSX.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on March 10, 2016, 10:39:35 am
This is why I dislike Apple. I'm not really a big fan of their products, but I'll admit that they make some quality stuff. But the fact that they make the only hardware that runs their software means that they can pull stuff like this, forcing you to buy extra equipment if you want to use their software at all. If a manufacturer for hardware that runs Android, Windows, or whatever software competing with Apple tried this, they would lose business. But that's just me, no hard feelings towards anyone who likes Apple.

That's actually the only merit of Apple products for me. You don't have to worry about compatibility when they're the ones making everything you use.

Although obviously, it is not enough of a merit to compensate for the fact that you have to pay 1.5-2 times (or even more in some cases) the price for hardware with similar specs and then it comes with an OS which is far less versatile and customizable than, say, Windows.

That may be true, but I'd say Windows is significantly more annoying to do anything in once you get used to the Unix way of doing things. A lot more things "just work" on OSX.
I would say that osx is significantly more annoying once you're used to windows too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 10, 2016, 10:43:19 am
I would say that osx is significantly more annoying once you're used to windows too.

The same is true with the opposite to some degree, at least for me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 10, 2016, 11:21:27 am
I would say that osx is significantly more annoying once you're used to windows too.

The same is true with the opposite to some degree, at least for me.

But the opposite of the opposite of the opposite is also true.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 10, 2016, 11:31:41 am
The nearby barcade has a deal on Fridays where the first 100 people get 20 free tokens. They normally open at 3, and I get off work at 3. It's perfect. This month, they're opening at 11 because of a basketball thing.

Now I have to decide if I want to take a lunch break at 11 to go get tokens. They serve pizza, so I could actually eat there. It's actually not bad.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 am
The nearby barcade has a deal on Fridays where the first 100 people get 20 free tokens. They normally open at 3, and I get off work at 3. It's perfect. This month, they're opening at 11 because of a basketball thing.

Now I have to decide if I want to take a lunch break at 11 to go get tokens. They serve pizza, so I could actually eat there. It's actually not bad.

I think you've already decided.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2016, 04:01:10 pm
That may be true, but I'd say Windows is significantly more annoying to do anything in once you get used to the Unix way of doing things. A lot more things "just work" on OSX.

Well, highly customizable systems are inherently more annoying once you get used to a system that doesn't expect you to spend a lot of time and effort customizing things.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on March 10, 2016, 04:19:59 pm
Having gone from Windows to Mac and back again, I think both are fine but one of them is about ten times more expensive for no particularly good reason, so...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on March 10, 2016, 07:14:18 pm
That may be true, but I'd say Windows is significantly more annoying to do anything in once you get used to the Unix way of doing things. A lot more things "just work" on OSX.

Well, highly customizable systems are inherently more annoying once you get used to a system that doesn't expect you to spend a lot of time and effort customizing things.

Okay, I should probably clarify this: when I said annoying, I meant for programming. Unix is a highly customizable system, arguably more customizable than Windows, and I prefer it over Windows when it comes to programming. I also favor OSX over Windows for programming, because it's basically Unix at the end. For everything else, I prefer Windows.

A lot of libraries are designed for Linux/OSX first and Windows second, and trying to get them to work on Windows can be a nightmare. My current setup is an unholy mess of Windows as the OS, Cygwin on top to replicate the Unix command line, and a Debian virtual machine for anything I can't get working on Windows.

Highly customizable systems don't have to be more annoying if their system defaults are good enough for your needs. Both Windows and OSX are 95% good enough, and the remaining 5% isn't worth the cost for me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on March 10, 2016, 07:17:55 pm
Linux>windows>mac
This is both in usefulness and price.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 10, 2016, 07:32:34 pm
I dunno, Windows is a pile of crap.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2016, 07:35:18 pm
I dunno, Windows is a pile of crap.

Windows 10, sure. But 8.1 is absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Limetime on March 10, 2016, 07:44:31 pm
I dunno, Windows is a pile of crap.

Windows 10, sure. But 8.1 is absolutely amazing.
Windows xp is really where it's at.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: sudgy on March 10, 2016, 07:52:45 pm
Hey, I don't think Windows 10 is that bad...  It's what I have at the moment.

Anyway, for me, Windows > Linux > Mac
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 10, 2016, 08:01:15 pm
Windows xp is really where it's at.

I see you are not the only one with experience (XP) on that interface.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 10, 2016, 08:10:40 pm
aren't most linux distributions free?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2016, 08:18:38 pm
Hey, I don't think Windows 10 is that bad...  It's what I have at the moment.

Well, it's not that bad for everyone, it just has some serious issues for anyone who wants to do anything confidential or shady. In 8.1, those same issues only exist in a couple of updates that you can manually delete.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 11, 2016, 01:08:48 pm
The nearby barcade has a deal on Fridays where the first 100 people get 20 free tokens. They normally open at 3, and I get off work at 3. It's perfect. This month, they're opening at 11 because of a basketball thing.

Now I have to decide if I want to take a lunch break at 11 to go get tokens. They serve pizza, so I could actually eat there. It's actually not bad.

I think you've already decided.

Indeed I did. Fun lunch break. We had to wait for the pizza to be cooked since the place doesn't normally open at 11. But I got in a lot of pinball. It's amazing how many free credits sit on those machines overnight. I got in three games of Indiana Jones, a game of Attack from Mars, and a couple games of Iron Man. I started playing some South Park, but it's not my favorite game. It had 14 credits still on it when I left it.

Video games are so much cheaper now that I'm an adult.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on March 11, 2016, 04:16:32 pm
Found out Fallout 4 has a stealth reference to Fallout: Equestria, which is pretty cool. (If it's not intentional, it's a very strong coincidence.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 05:01:02 pm
Anyone heard of this? (http://www.harrypottertheplay.com/?utm_source=Pottermore&utm_medium=Link&utm_campaign=Pottermore_cursed-child) Rowling is thoroughly selling out. Sad.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 05:14:37 pm
Here's the thing. If you write something that becomes as huge as Harry Potter, when you're done, you have three options. The first is to keep writing, but write other stuff. The second is to keep writing, but do HP stuff. The third option is to not write anymore.

If you write other stuff, people will ALWAYS compare it to HP. Some might even ask why she'd write other stuff when there's still a lot of HP to explore. If she writes HP stuff, she's a sellout that just want to milk the franchise. And if she stops writing... Well, she's not really an active writer anymore. It's easy to say you should quit when you're at your peak, it's a whole different story actually doing it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 05:24:25 pm
Here's the thing. If you write something that becomes as huge as Harry Potter, when you're done, you have three options. The first is to keep writing, but write other stuff. The second is to keep writing, but do HP stuff. The third option is to not write anymore.

If you write other stuff, people will ALWAYS compare it to HP. Some might even ask why she'd write other stuff when there's still a lot of HP to explore. If she writes HP stuff, she's a sellout that just want to milk the franchise. And if she stops writing... Well, she's not really an active writer anymore. It's easy to say you should quit when you're at your peak, it's a whole different story actually doing it.

But I would actually be fine with her writing HP stuff. Here's what I'm not fine with

- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.
- It seems like a stupid generic plot... Harry's Son struggles with his legacy... that has to be the least creative idea for a sequel. Also this much hype usually means a bad product.
- Hermione is played by a 46 year old black actress.

That's just cheap. Hermione is not black. HP has already plenty of anti-discrimination for various minorities, but it has always been done really smart and subtle.

I mean maybe it'll be good but ehhhhhh it seems so unlikely.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 05:25:11 pm
And she has actually written other stuff after HP -- I've not read it, though. I've heard that it's boring, but just from one source.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 05:37:29 pm
Here's the thing. If you write something that becomes as huge as Harry Potter, when you're done, you have three options. The first is to keep writing, but write other stuff. The second is to keep writing, but do HP stuff. The third option is to not write anymore.

If you write other stuff, people will ALWAYS compare it to HP. Some might even ask why she'd write other stuff when there's still a lot of HP to explore. If she writes HP stuff, she's a sellout that just want to milk the franchise. And if she stops writing... Well, she's not really an active writer anymore. It's easy to say you should quit when you're at your peak, it's a whole different story actually doing it.

But I would actually be fine with her writing HP stuff. Here's what I'm not fine with

- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.
- It seems like a stupid generic plot... Harry's Son struggles with his legacy... that has to be the least creative idea for a sequel. Also this much hype usually means a bad product.
- Hermione is played by a 46 year old black actress.

That's just cheap. Hermione is not black. HP has already plenty of anti-discrimination for various minorities, but it has always been done really smart and subtle.

I mean maybe it'll be good but ehhhhhh it seems so unlikely.

I don't understand the issue with race of an actor for a stage production (hell, I'm not sure even gender needs to match).  I wouldn't be bothered by it in a movie either, but maybe it's a bigger deal there, because a movie is supposed to do the job of immersing you a bit more.  But for a stage production, you're* doing more of the work of the immersion, and I don't see how the actor's physical traits really matter at all.

I also don't see what anti-discrimination or minorities has to do with it, or why it's cheap.  This seems like a completely unnecessary gripe tacked on.

*I mean, you the audience, as the person watching the play.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 05:38:07 pm
And she has actually written other stuff after HP -- I've not read it, though. I've heard that it's boring, but just from one source.

Plays are s***. I don't care about a play. I want to read the actual book when it comes out.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 05:39:51 pm
And she has actually written other stuff after HP -- I've not read it, though. I've heard that it's boring, but just from one source.

Plays are s***. I don't care about a play. I want to read the actual book when it comes out.

They are not; maybe you just haven't seen any good ones.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 05:41:02 pm
They are not; maybe you just haven't seen any good ones.

I haven't seen any. I didn't mean all plays were garbage, I just mean the obvious bad plays are garbage. Like, the Spiderman play. And the Harry Potter play.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 05:43:05 pm
They are not; maybe you just haven't seen any good ones.

I haven't seen any. I didn't mean all plays were garbage, I just mean the obvious bad plays are garbage. Like, the Spiderman play. And the Harry Potter play.

I don't know about Spider-Man play; maybe you mean the musical?  I might agree; I think musicals are a bit cheap in general, and that Spider-Man one seemed overly unnecessary.  This one may be, too.  (That being said, I'm a huge fan of some.) 

But you really can't make any criticism if you've never been to the theater.

Edit: Though this HP thing is apparently not a musical.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on March 11, 2016, 05:44:35 pm
And she has actually written other stuff after HP -- I've not read it, though. I've heard that it's boring, but just from one source.

It isn't great, certainly. The Vacancy Place was decent but her Mystery Series under a pseudonym was dreadful.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 05:47:11 pm
They are not; maybe you just haven't seen any good ones.

I haven't seen any. I didn't mean all plays were garbage, I just mean the obvious bad plays are garbage. Like, the Spiderman play. And the Harry Potter play.

I don't know about Spider-Man play; maybe you mean the musical?  I might agree; I think musicals are a bit cheap in general, and that Spider-Man one seemed overly unnecessary.  This one may be, too.  (That being said, I'm a huge fan of some.) 

But you really can't make any criticism if you've never been to the theater.

Edit: Though this HP thing is apparently not a musical.

I like Shakespeare, actually.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on March 11, 2016, 05:48:44 pm
And I was under the impression that the race of Hermione was up for interpretation in that it was never specifically stated. Even if she didn't have a black girl in mind when she was writing it that doesn't mean the character can't be black when a person is reading it. If she had specifically said she was of Caucasian decent that might be a different story.

And no one through a fit when Denzel Washington played Don Pedro in Shakespeare's "Much Ado about Nothing" where the first actor to play him was almost certainly not black. Race is very much up to interpretation in theater.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 11, 2016, 05:52:06 pm
Here's the thing. If you write something that becomes as huge as Harry Potter, when you're done, you have three options. The first is to keep writing, but write other stuff. The second is to keep writing, but do HP stuff. The third option is to not write anymore.

If you write other stuff, people will ALWAYS compare it to HP. Some might even ask why she'd write other stuff when there's still a lot of HP to explore. If she writes HP stuff, she's a sellout that just want to milk the franchise. And if she stops writing... Well, she's not really an active writer anymore. It's easy to say you should quit when you're at your peak, it's a whole different story actually doing it.

But I would actually be fine with her writing HP stuff. Here's what I'm not fine with

- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.
- It seems like a stupid generic plot... Harry's Son struggles with his legacy... that has to be the least creative idea for a sequel. Also this much hype usually means a bad product.
- Hermione is played by a 46 year old black actress.

That's just cheap. Hermione is not black. HP has already plenty of anti-discrimination for various minorities, but it has always been done really smart and subtle.

I mean maybe it'll be good but ehhhhhh it seems so unlikely.

1. Is that true?  The page you linked says she was part of the writing process.  In any case, there's nothing inherently wrong with fan-fiction.
2. Synopses are always vague and generic.  There's no telling what the plot will actually be like based on the description here.
3. Was Hermione's race ever specified in the books?  I'm betting it wasn't.  And the play is set years after HP7 so the age is fine...

And she has actually written other stuff after HP -- I've not read it, though. I've heard that it's boring, but just from one source.

She published it under a pseudonym and it was OK.  Then it was leaked and people made a big deal about it, compared it to Harry Potter and generally clamoured for more Harry Potter.

They are not; maybe you just haven't seen any good ones.

I haven't seen any. I didn't mean all plays were garbage, I just mean the obvious bad plays are garbage. Like, the Spiderman play. And the Harry Potter play.

Seems a bit premature to say that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 05:52:51 pm
And I was under the impression that the race of Hermione was up for interpretation in that it was never specifically stated. Even if she didn't have a black girl in mind when she was writing it that doesn't mean the character can't be black when a person is reading it. If she had specifically said she was of Caucasian decent that might be a different story.

And no one through a fit when Denzel Washington played Don Pedro in Shakespeare's "Much Ado about Nothing" where the first actor to play him was almost certainly not black. Race is very much up to interpretation in theater.

I think it doesn't even matter, even if it is not up to interpretation.  I wouldn't have an issue of a white actor portraying a slave* in a play, an adult portraying a child, etc.  As long as the portrayal is believable.  I mean.. you, in the audience, do the imagining yourself.  There are props and scenery, but it's really pretty minor.  The actors (and, really, the script) bring these things to life.  Race just doesn't matter.

*Edit: So here I mean a black slave in, say, colonial America.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 05:53:24 pm
Oh, wow. There's not even a book. It's literally JUST A PLAY. Count me out, I'll just read the plot on Wikipedia or something. And it's two parts, which means double the ticket sales. Not impressive.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 05:55:34 pm
But I would actually be fine with her writing HP stuff. Here's what I'm not fine with

- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.

I didn't know this. But it says it's based on "A new story by Rowling and some other people". So it can't be she's not involved? Also, I think this is MUCH better than the Fifty Shades of Grey scenario.

- It seems like a stupid generic plot... Harry's Son struggles with his legacy... that has to be the least creative idea for a sequel. Also this much hype usually means a bad product.

So a chosen orphan boy living with his evil aunt and uncle finding out he has magical powers and is supposed to battle the darkest and evilest lord ever isn't?

- Hermione is played by a 46 year old black actress.

That's just cheap. Hermione is not black. HP has already plenty of anti-discrimination for various minorities, but it has always been done really smart and subtle.

Err... I may be misremembering, but I think she's pretty much only described as a girl with unruly kind of curly dark hair and weird teeth. Either way, I'm pretty sure she isn't explicitly mentioned as caucasian/white. I mean, she could be of Indian descent for all I know. Also, even if she was, I don't think this is or should be an issue. I mean Jesus Christ Superstar is traditionally set in a more modern era. And usually Jesus is said to have lived a long time ago.


I mean maybe it'll be good but ehhhhhh it seems so unlikely.

I think it could be good, it could also be bad. I'll wait and see. Worth noting is that I'm not a huge HP fan. I think they are a decent read (most of them anyway) and the films are probably worth watching.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 05:57:42 pm
Err... I may be misremembering, but I think she's pretty much only described as a girl with unruly kind of curly dark hair and weird teeth. Either way, I'm pretty sure she isn't explicitly mentioned as caucasian/white. I mean, she could be of Indian descent for all I know. Also, even if she was, I don't think this is or should be an issue. I mean Jesus Christ Superstar is traditionally set in a more modern era. And usually Jesus is said to have lived a long time ago.

Hmm?  Have you seen Jesus Christ Superstar?  I've only ever seen it taking place in Roman time.  (Though, the music is modernized.  And maybe the final number is ambiguous; I don't quite remember.)

Also, notably, in Jesus Christ Superstar, Judas was played by a black man in the well-known production, and also in the one I saw.  Real-life Judas, if he existed, was probably not black.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 11, 2016, 05:59:30 pm
Here's the thing. If you write something that becomes as huge as Harry Potter, when you're done, you have three options. The first is to keep writing, but write other stuff. The second is to keep writing, but do HP stuff. The third option is to not write anymore.

Impressively, she's done both options 1 and 2.

- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.

So?  How is that a problem?

Quote
- It seems like a stupid generic plot... Harry's Son struggles with his legacy... that has to be the least creative idea for a sequel. Also this much hype usually means a bad product.

This one I can at least see as reasonable.

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- Hermione is played by a 46 year old black actress... That's just cheap. Hermione is not black.

This one, though... man, this is easily provable or not.  Please tell me what book and chapter (page numbers are going to be hard to sync) indicates Hermione's race.  Until then, Hermione's race is entirely up to the reader.  And since this is, as you note, fanfiction... well, you get the idea.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 11, 2016, 06:01:34 pm
Also, notably, in Jesus Christ Superstar, Judas was played by a black man in the well-known production, and also in the one I saw.  Real-life Judas, if he existed, was probably not black.

To be fair, both Jesus and Judas (assuming they existed) were almost certainly closer to the color of a typical African-American than the color of a typical white American.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 06:01:57 pm
Hmm?  Have you seen Jesus Christ Superstar?  I've only ever seen it taking place in Roman time.  (Though, the music is modernized.  And maybe the final number is ambiguous; I don't quite remember.)

I've seen three movie adaptations (one was a stage production that was turned into a movie and the other was made with a stage production in mind) and one stage adaptation (in Swedish). They were all modernized.


https://youtu.be/mhru3GXbkHY

https://youtu.be/Uo81UqO54dg
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 11, 2016, 06:06:27 pm
Five minutes ago I was carefully balancing which spells to use and how to have my Pirate smash the enemy most efficiently. Now I just opened up a battle by lobbing a cake at the enemy, having a cake thrown back at me and soon I might be summoning some kittens.

Bravely Second can be a strange RPG.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:08:16 pm
Hmm?  Have you seen Jesus Christ Superstar?  I've only ever seen it taking place in Roman time.  (Though, the music is modernized.  And maybe the final number is ambiguous; I don't quite remember.)

I've seen three movie adaptations (one was a stage production that was turned into a movie and the other was made with a stage production in mind) and one stage adaptation (in Swedish). They were all modernized.


Ah, okay.  I see what you mean.  I think it still 'takes place' in Jesus' time, but with intentional anachronisms for style.  Maybe to emphasize the idea that, if he was around now, he'd be a pop idol.

But okay.  I don't remember if the live performance I saw had this (guns and stuff).  I don't remember it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 06:09:57 pm
Ah, okay.  I see what you mean.  I think it still 'takes place' in Jesus' time, but with intentional anachronisms for style.  Maybe to emphasize the idea that, if he was around now, he'd be a pop idol.

But okay.  I don't remember if the live performance I saw had this (guns and stuff).  I don't remember it.

I think my point still stands. There are various "settings" being used. And people don't really complain about it. ;)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:14:52 pm
Ah, okay.  I see what you mean.  I think it still 'takes place' in Jesus' time, but with intentional anachronisms for style.  Maybe to emphasize the idea that, if he was around now, he'd be a pop idol.

But okay.  I don't remember if the live performance I saw had this (guns and stuff).  I don't remember it.

I think my point still stands. There are various "settings" being used. And people don't really complain about it. ;)

And, well, while we're at at it, real life Jesus wouldn't have been Caucasian.~
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 06:28:21 pm
Oh, I didn't except everyone to disagree with me on the Hermione issue.

I think it's super, extremely lame and cheap because it implies that she's been black all along and it has not been mentioned. Look, I know you want to preach equality, but Hermione just is. not. black. She's one of the main characters. It would have been mentioned at some point.  Even the wiki (http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione_Granger) says she's not black.

And the book series has actually already been preaching equality for various groups

- Dumbledore is meant to be gay, which if you didn't know I'm sure will immediately make a lot of sense
- Angelina is black. I'm pretty sure it's briefly mentioned, but most people don't remember it. She's described as pretty, liked by everyone, etc
- The whole blood status issue is quite reminiscent of the Holocaust-- Hilter is actually quite similar to Voldemort; they are both the leaders of a group that hates on a minority and promotes a certain group that's the opposite while they themselves are not even part of that promoted group.
- The whole house elves thing, and the issues with other races in the seventh book, all about oppression and slavery.

See what all of these have in common? They're subtle, and they all make perfect sense. Hermione being black is incredibly bland and dumb pandering.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 06:29:56 pm
- It's not actually written by her. It's just fanfiction that got her okay.

So?  How is that a problem?

Because I remember her saying in an interview that she will never allow other authors to continue the harry potter universe, because harry potter is hers and only she understands him.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:35:59 pm
It isn't an issue of equality, it's just that it is completely unnecessary to match ethnicity of a stage actor with his or her character.  It's a bit presumptuous to assume that not doing so is pandering.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 06:42:16 pm
And the play is set years after HP7 so the age is fine...

Well, they say it's 19 years, so she'd most likely be 37. But okay, sure, a nine year difference isn't a big deal, nevermind the age.

And I was under the impression that the race of Hermione was up for interpretation in that it was never specifically stated.

Wouldn't Harry's be too, then? Actually, if Harry was black, I could respect it more-- at least that's making a real statement, and it's bold.

The school is in London. Other countries have their own schools. You would assume white unless stated otherwise, and it has been stated otherwise for other characters.

It isn't an issue of equality, it's just that it is completely unnecessary to match ethnicity of a stage actor with his or her character.  It's a bit presumptuous to assume that not doing so is pandering.

Come on, all the fans have imagined how the characters look like. It's not like you don't have the money to try to be authentic.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 11, 2016, 06:43:38 pm
Hmm?  Have you seen Jesus Christ Superstar?  I've only ever seen it taking place in Roman time.  (Though, the music is modernized.  And maybe the final number is ambiguous; I don't quite remember.)

I've seen three movie adaptations (one was a stage production that was turned into a movie and the other was made with a stage production in mind) and one stage adaptation (in Swedish). They were all modernized.


Ah, okay.  I see what you mean.  I think it still 'takes place' in Jesus' time, but with intentional anachronisms for style.  Maybe to emphasize the idea that, if he was around now, he'd be a pop idol.

But okay.  I don't remember if the live performance I saw had this (guns and stuff).  I don't remember it.

Ian McKellen's Richard III, Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, and Ethan Hawke's Hamlet are all examples of plays adapted into movies that aren't set in the same time as the original.

It's really not that odd at all for a play to be "modernized" or whatever you want to call it.  It generally irks me, but there are good ones (like those I mentioned).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:44:43 pm
It isn't an issue of equality, it's just that it is completely unnecessary to match ethnicity of a stage actor with his or her character.  It's a bit presumptuous to assume that not doing so is pandering.

Come on, all the fans have imagined how the characters look like. It's not like you don't have the money to try to be authentic.

It's not being unauthentic at all.

There are gobs and gobs of gobs of examples.  One of the big Eponine's in a Les Mis production wasn't white, for instance. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 11, 2016, 06:45:06 pm
Harry, Ron, and Hermoine at least have all been on official covers for the books -- doesn't that officially answer the skin color question?

I mean, she used ethnic names when she wanted to emphasize something (Cho, Patel, etc.).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 06:47:26 pm
Harry, Ron, and Hermoine at least have all been on official covers for the books -- doesn't that officially answer the skin color question?

... yeah, duh. Great point.

@WW if you're saying that it's normal for plays or something... well I don't know about plays. Doesn't make it less lame, though.

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 06:48:11 pm
Oh, I didn't except everyone to disagree with me on the Hermione issue.

I think it's super, extremely lame and cheap because it implies that she's been black all along and it has not been mentioned. Look, I know you want to preach equality, but Hermione just is. not. black. She's one of the main characters. It would have been mentioned at some point.  Even the wiki (http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione_Granger) says she's not black.

All it "implies" is that she might as well be. I don't see how this is an issue? She's not stated as either dark or light skinned. Apart from that quote that the wiki use as source for her "pale skin" description. I'm sure Rowling "intended" her to be light skinned. But does that matter? I don't think casting a non-UK person to play any of the roles would matter either.

Come on, all the fans have imagined how the characters look like. It's not like you don't have the money to try to be authentic.

Since I've watched the movies, I imagine Hermione to look like Emma Watson. That means anyone that isn't her is "looking wrong".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:49:22 pm
Harry, Ron, and Hermoine at least have all been on official covers for the books -- doesn't that officially answer the skin color question?

... yeah, duh. Great point.

@WW if you're saying that it's normal for plays or something... well I don't know about plays. Doesn't make it less lame, though.

It is not at all lame, in any way whatsoever.  You don't have an argument here.

You could say something, like, if race is central the story then we try to match races, but for something like this it completely, 100%, does not matter at all.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:50:01 pm
Some discussion regarding specifically Les Mis: http://mdn.chanvrerie.net/colour-blind-casting-in-les-miserables-__o_t__t_72995.html
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 06:52:18 pm
The problem here is that you're assuming this production cast this actress because she was black (unless you have something to support this?), and not because she was simply the person they wanted for the part for her abilities as an actress.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 11, 2016, 06:54:49 pm
The problem here is that you're assuming this production cast this actress because she was black (unless you have something to support this?), and not because she was simply the person they wanted for the part for her abilities as an actress.

Leontyne Price is the best example of can think of to support your argument.

She's been every major opera soprano ever.  Madame Butterfly was not black, but it didn't matter.  Price had those roles based on her incredible voice.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:04:29 pm
Okay, to end this discussion about what skin color she really has - it actually is stated in the books.

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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 21 : "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

(See? Subtle! I'm sure this has been intentional.)

The problem here is that you're assuming this production cast this actress because she was black (unless you have something to support this?), and not because she was simply the person they wanted for the part for her abilities as an actress.

Yes, I do. But even if that were not the case, it'd still be lame. It's inauthentic by the definition of the word.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:07:42 pm
Okay, to end this discussion about what skin color she really has - it actually is stated in the books.

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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 21 : "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

(See? Subtle! I'm sure this has been intentional.)

The problem here is that you're assuming this production cast this actress because she was black (unless you have something to support this?), and not because she was simply the person they wanted for the part for her abilities as an actress.

Yes, I do. But even if that were not the case, it'd still be lame. It's inauthentic by the definition of the word.

No, you're prescribing inconsequential characteristics as important.  By your logic every character portrayal is inauthentic.  Should we cripple an actor to play a cripple?  I saw Dracula on the stage once, and I swear that dude wasn't really from Transylvania.  Come to think of it, I don't think he was really a vampire!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:08:10 pm
Must be those god damned anti Vampire lobbyists again.  Disgraceful. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:14:33 pm
Should we cripple an actor to play a cripple?
No, but you should make him look like a cripple and do things like a cripple.

I saw Dracula on the stage once, and I swear that dude wasn't really from Transylvania.  Come to think of it, I don't think he was really a vampire!
No, but they tried to make him look like a vampire, and act like a vampire.

Do you think appearance is inconsequential? If you don't think that, then skin color is not inconsequential. White people look very different from black people - they have a different skin color.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:20:23 pm
Should we cripple an actor to play a cripple?
No, but you should make him look like a cripple and do things like a cripple.

I saw Dracula on the stage once, and I swear that dude wasn't really from Transylvania.  Come to think of it, I don't think he was really a vampire!
No, but they tried to make him look like a vampire, and act like a vampire.

Do you think appearance is inconsequential? If you don't think that, then skin color is not inconsequential. White people look very different from black people - they have a different skin color.

And what part of Hermoine's character relies on the color of her skin?

But it's a separate point; even if her skin color *did* matter, it's not necessary for the actor to share this skin color; only for it to be portrayed.  When you're watching a play, you do the imagining yourself.  You suspend disbelief and let the production fill your imagination.  Have you ever actually seen a play before?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 11, 2016, 07:22:23 pm
Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:22:43 pm
Also, those were reductio ad absurdum examples to show the issue with 'inauthentic by the definition of the word.'
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 07:23:05 pm
Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

Oh, Awaclus. :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:24:55 pm
It's an issue if you're saying ethnicity Y people cannot play roles based on source material where the base character had ethnicity Z.  Especially when the relative sizes of Y, Z, etc. have great disparity. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 07:26:19 pm
Okay, to end this discussion about what skin color she really has - it actually is stated in the books.

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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 21 : "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

(See? Subtle! I'm sure this has been intentional.)


I'm going to assume this is where they're running from werewolves and dementors. I could easily see someone describing someone's face as white if you're being chased by crazy stuff. BUT I think this shows that Rowling thought of Hermione as light skinned. But I don't think it's her intentional way of saying "she's definately white, guys! I'll point to this later!".

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

It's the INTERNET! And we think someone's wrong. So we have to correct them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:34:27 pm
I'm going to assume this is where they're running from werewolves and dementors. I could easily see someone describing someone's face as white if you're being chased by crazy stuff. BUT I think this shows that Rowling thought of Hermione as light skinned. But I don't think it's her intentional way of saying "she's definately white, guys! I'll point to this later!".

I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

I think the harry potter series is a masterpiece - that's why I care; otherwise I wouldn't.

It's an issue if you're saying ethnicity Y people cannot play roles based on source material where the base character had ethnicity Z.  Especially when the relative sizes of Y, Z, etc. have great disparity. 

I'm saying that if a black person plays a white person in a stage play or vice versa then you're being inauthentic because they look different. Other assets, cultural, whatever, different story, because you can't see them. They're actors, they play a character.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:35:24 pm
I'm saying that if a black person plays a white person in a stage play or vice versa then you're being inauthentic because they look different. Other assets, cultural, whatever, different story, because you can't see them. They're actors, they play a character.

And this has precisely happened, many many times, to no negative consequence.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on March 11, 2016, 07:36:05 pm
Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:38:57 pm
Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I wouldn't say you have to cast a black guy; you only need to portray the character as being black, given that it's important.  If casting a black actor is your way of doing it, fine.  If you want to do it in another way (that works), fine.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:40:39 pm
Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I can assure you: it matters. People care about it. For many, if they are deeply invested into a series, and it is put into a visual medium, they care how the characters look. I mean, of course they do. Why do you think movies are flooded with pretty looking people? People care how other people look.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:41:54 pm
Plus there is a big difference between stage and movies.  Visual imagery for immersion is much more important in a movie, and not for theater.

Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I can assure you: it matters. People care about it. For many, if they are deeply invested into a series, and it is put into a visual medium, they care how the characters look. I mean, of course they do. Why do you think movies are flooded with pretty looking people? People care how other people look.

This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:44:51 pm
This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.

I haven't seen plays before.

And the audience for this play is not the community that knows plays well; it's the community that knows the harry potter series well. There are a lot of harry potter fans out there, they are going to watch this.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 07:46:23 pm
I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

The series also has a bunch of plot holes and stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't think it has an amazing attention to detail.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 11, 2016, 07:47:48 pm
This is probably more posts in one day than Random Stuff Part III has had in it's entire history.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 07:49:21 pm
Probably. :P
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 07:49:27 pm
This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.

I haven't seen plays before.

And the audience for this play is not the community that knows plays well; it's the community that knows the harry potter series well. There are a lot of harry potter fans out there, they are going to watch this.

This applies to all the other examples.  It's not an issue.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 07:59:04 pm
I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

The series also has a bunch of plot holes and stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't think it has an amazing attention to detail.

It does have plot holes. I don't think that means that it doesn't have amazing attention to detail. I don't think they're the same thing; one is more about story construction, the other thing is about, well, details. And it's also very few plot holes given the scope of the story.

Although I tried to google it and don't want to hide it just because it backs up your case; here is what Rowling has said (in response to the people who cared about her skin color in the play) (on Twitter):
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Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 11, 2016, 08:10:59 pm
I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

I'll accept the bet!

Given that Rowling tweeted this:

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Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione 😘

It doesn't really sound like she even remembers that detail herself.

EDIT: Oh, you actually just posted this yourself. Didn't see it in the PPE while I was digging for the quote for some reason.

I think the harry potter series is a masterpiece

O-oh. Okay then.


On another note, how can people have not seen any plays? I'm not even super into plays myself, but I've still seen dozens of them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2016, 08:14:39 pm
I'll accept the bet!

Well after finding that quote, I wouldn't make the bet anymore. I'd give it about 50% now, maybe a bit less -- she's already sold her soul, in my view, so I wouldn't put it past her to lie here.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on March 11, 2016, 08:16:41 pm
I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 11, 2016, 08:18:42 pm
I've mostly seen amateur plays and musicals.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 11, 2016, 08:44:52 pm
I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

I saw Venus in Fur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Fur) by David Ives a few years ago.  It was one of my favorite things I've seen on stage.

I also saw Waiting for Godot with Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Billy Crudup.  Very good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on March 11, 2016, 10:23:53 pm
I've mostly seen amateur plays and musicals.

Sometimes that's the best stuff.

I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

I saw Venus in Fur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Fur) by David Ives a few years ago.  It was one of my favorite things I've seen on stage.

I also saw Waiting for Godot with Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Billy Crudup.  Very good.

 :o super jealous
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on March 12, 2016, 12:06:28 am
I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

Ambassadoring the last province for the win
Using poor house effectively in a deck that can't trash coppers
Building up to a successful coppersmith megaturn
Even something as simple and mundane as KC/KC/Bridge/Bridge/Bridge

These are all fine plays that I respect every time I see.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 12, 2016, 05:35:50 am
To add fuel to the fire: Earthsea.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 12, 2016, 08:44:38 am
I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.
Am the days of the week are frequently inconsistent with these dates. The phases of the moon basically never match up.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2016, 09:51:34 am
Am the days of the week are frequently inconsistent with these dates. The phases of the moon basically never match up.

err what?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 12, 2016, 12:42:12 pm
To add fuel to the fire: Earthsea.

Is that an example of casting separate from source race?  Morgan Freeman in The Shawshank Redemption is an example.  In the novel, his character was specifically and unambiguously stated to be Irish (like, white-skin, red-head Irish, hence the name, 'Red').  The movie makes a reference to this (there is a line by Freeman, "Maybe because I'm Irish" about his name), which I always thought was extremely clever. 

Also, one of the best (or just the best?) adaptations of a book to screen. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 12, 2016, 01:05:35 pm
Okay, to end this discussion about what skin color she really has - it actually is stated in the books.

Quote
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 21 : "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

(See? Subtle! I'm sure this has been intentional.)


I'm going to assume this is where they're running from werewolves and dementors. I could easily see someone describing someone's face as white if you're being chased by crazy stuff. BUT I think this shows that Rowling thought of Hermione as light skinned. But I don't think it's her intentional way of saying "she's definately white, guys! I'll point to this later!".

There's also this at the beginning of Azkaban:

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They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.

And definition 5 of "white" from dictionary.com:

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pallid or pale, as from fear or other strong emotion: white with rage.

This fits the context of the scene where that description is used.

This outrage just reminds me of all the people complaining that Rue in Hunger Games was played by a black girl even though she was explicitly described as such in the books.  It's a little more understandable here since Hermione's race is ambiguous, but still.

To add fuel to the fire: Earthsea.

Is that an example of casting separate from source race?  Morgan Freeman in The Shawshank Redemption is an example.  In the novel, his character was specifically and unambiguously stated to be Irish (like, white-skin, red-head Irish, hence the name, 'Red').  The movie makes a reference to this (there is a line by Freeman, "Maybe because I'm Irish" about his name), which I always thought was extremely clever.

Also, one of the best (or just the best?) adaptations of a book to screen. 

Almost all (or actually all?) of the main characters in Earthsea are black.  This was not necessarily important to the plot (I read it long ago) but it was important to the author, who noted the near-complete lack of POC main characters in fantasy and sci-fi and strove to do better in her work.

IIRC, a TV mini-series for Earthsea was produced and pretty much the entire cast was white-washed.  Maybe they could argue that the actors were the right ones for the job, except they were kind of bland and terrible?  I'm not sure, I did not watch the series and I'm only half-remembering the discussion from when this was current news.


Regarding the point about Morgan Freeman, the problem is that Hollywood has a long history of casting white actors to play POC.  Some examples that come to mind are The Last Airbender and pretty much every single Hollywood film set in ancient Egypt.  When this happens and POC complain, the overwhelming response tends to be "it's an interpretation" or "they're just the best actor for the role", etc.  When the reverse happens and a non-white actor is cast in a role traditionally perceived as white, those same people freak out.  And note that this is far less common.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on March 12, 2016, 01:19:49 pm

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There's also this at the beginning of Azkaban:

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They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.
I don't have a problem with a black Hermione. At all.

But I wanted to chime in to say that this argument doesn't work so much.
If I remember rightly this quote is from immediately after Hermione has been on holiday somewhere beachy.  It's a comment on her tan.  So really it supports the idea that she's canonically white.  Otherwise commenting on her tan wouldn't really be a thing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on March 12, 2016, 01:22:48 pm
Adding more fuel to the fire

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/6/68/Mandarin.jpg/374px-Mandarin.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2016, 01:41:35 pm
This outrage just reminds me of all the people complaining that Rue in Hunger Games was played by a black girl even though she was explicitly described as such in the books.  It's a little more understandable here since Hermione's race is ambiguous, but still.
That's not the same, that's the opposite. Rue would have sucked were she white in the movie.

And if someone is looking 'Very brown' that's even another indicator for her being white, since she was just on a vacation in France--- if she was brown anyway, it wouldn't make sense to say it in that context.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2016, 01:42:36 pm
and her race is not ambigious. even if she has not done it on purpose, saying she has a white face means she's white, end of story.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 12, 2016, 01:45:37 pm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/white-faced
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 12, 2016, 02:05:56 pm
Patrick Stewart played Othello as well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2016, 02:08:49 pm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/white-faced

Yes. It's a saying. It's a saying that became popular among white people. Do you honestly think a black person would describe another black person as white faced if he had just been scared? Obviously it it's a thing of our culture.

Plus they're on the covers. I can't believe we're really having this argument.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 12, 2016, 02:49:03 pm
http://www.yourdictionary.com/white-faced

Yes. It's a saying. It's a saying that became popular among white people. Do you honestly think a black person would describe another black person as white faced if he had just been scared? Obviously it it's a thing of our culture.

Plus they're on the covers. I can't believe we're really having this argument.


If it's in the context of being scared, white-face means pale, as in the reddish color from normal blood flow has left your face.  Contrast to flush, where your face is red from increased flow.  This is a human thing, not a racial thing, though obviously not noticeable the lighter someone's skin is.

This argument isn't about Hermione's imagined race by the author, which I couldn't care less about, but about your misappropriation of phrases.

Also, as an aside, you should try not being racist some time and see how it suits you.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 12, 2016, 02:52:03 pm
Someone start a Black Hermoine thread in RSP and take this there, please.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 12, 2016, 03:21:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNEna-PETY
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on March 12, 2016, 03:37:12 pm
Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I wouldn't say you have to cast a black guy; you only need to portray the character as being black, given that it's important.  If casting a black actor is your way of doing it, fine.  If you want to do it in another way (that works), fine.

This is close to RSP, but this means black face is ok. It's not really ok.
EDIT:
Someone start a Black Hermoine thread in RSP and take this there, please.

Oops. I didn't read this. I'll move to RSP if there's a thread there now.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on March 12, 2016, 03:52:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNEna-PETY

But what will it do to my Saturday???
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 12, 2016, 03:56:44 pm
the balloon popped so your Saturday will have to go unmade
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on March 12, 2016, 04:07:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNEna-PETY

Lord Bottington and his family are playing with rats.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 12, 2016, 05:18:10 pm
Am the days of the week are frequently inconsistent with these dates. The phases of the moon basically never match up.

err what?
Stuff like this:
Quote
The zoo trip took place on Saturday, but Dudley's eleventh birthday (June 23, 1991) actually was on a Sunday.
(http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Mistakes_in_the_Harry_Potter_books, there are many more exampls there)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2016, 05:23:54 pm
Am the days of the week are frequently inconsistent with these dates. The phases of the moon basically never match up.

err what?
Stuff like this:
Quote
The zoo trip took place on Saturday, but Dudley's eleventh birthday (June 23, 1991) actually was on a Sunday.
(http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Mistakes_in_the_Harry_Potter_books, there are many more exampls there)

Oh, I see. Interesting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on March 12, 2016, 06:55:53 pm
To add fuel to the fire: Earthsea.

Is that an example of casting separate from source race?
I suspect it was an example of Harry Potter being unoriginal.

A Wizard of Earthsea is an Ursula K. Le Guin novel about a kid who goes to wizard school (then other stuff happens). It's been some years but I remember liking it. It of course predates Harry Potter by decades. And someone asked the author what she thought of Harry Potter, and she said something like, well I don't feel ripped off or anything, but I don't know why anyone says Rowling is original.

A Wizard of Earthsea also has this concept of things having names that give you power over them, which The Name of the Wind uses.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 12, 2016, 08:47:47 pm
Interesting.
I knew it!
This is getting to be a lot of work.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 12, 2016, 11:13:27 pm
Earthsea is super better than Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 12, 2016, 11:25:21 pm
To add fuel to the fire: Earthsea.

Is that an example of casting separate from source race?
I suspect it was an example of Harry Potter being unoriginal.

A Wizard of Earthsea is an Ursula K. Le Guin novel about a kid who goes to wizard school (then other stuff happens). It's been some years but I remember liking it. It of course predates Harry Potter by decades. And someone asked the author what she thought of Harry Potter, and she said something like, well I don't feel ripped off or anything, but I don't know why anyone says Rowling is original.

A Wizard of Earthsea also has this concept of things having names that give you power over them, which The Name of the Wind uses.

This rates levels of interest meriting comment.

I remembered I had seen this idea (power through names) used by other authors as well.  I think it comes up in the Dresden series.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 12, 2016, 11:44:34 pm
I remembered I had seen this idea (power through names) used by other authors as well.  I think it comes up in the Dresden series.

Before Christianity, people in Finland actually believed in power through names (EDIT: in the sense that if you knew the true name of iron, for example, you could touch a piece of hot iron and it couldn't burn you).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 12, 2016, 11:53:14 pm
I remembered I had seen this idea (power through names) used by other authors as well.  I think it comes up in the Dresden series.

Before Christianity, people in Finland actually believed in power through names.

Right, well I guess most fantasy stuff has roots in mythologies.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 13, 2016, 12:00:12 am
It's hardly a new concept, it's called "true names". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

Rumpelstiltskin is a good example of a story with it that's existed for thousands of years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpelstiltskin

Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 13, 2016, 01:03:14 am
I'm pretty certain both "kid learns about special powers s/he wasn't aware of and enters a magical world" and "names give you power over things" predate Ursula LeGuin as well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on March 13, 2016, 03:00:10 am
It's hardly a new concept, it's called "true names". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

Rumpelstiltskin is a good example of a story with it that's existed for thousands of years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpelstiltskin
Rumpelstiltskin, what? The name had no power. I am looking at the link, it gives no power to the name.

I'm pretty certain both "kid learns about special powers s/he wasn't aware of and enters a magical world" and "names give you power over things" predate Ursula LeGuin as well.
I don't equate "kid learns about special powers s/he wasn't aware of and enters a magical world" with "school for wizards."

It's not that "school for wizards" is a hard concept to think of. It's that Le Guin got there first, with a well-known book. If your first thought when Harry Potter hit the news wasn't "oh, like A Wizard of Earthsea?" then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 13, 2016, 09:03:21 pm

Quote

There's also this at the beginning of Azkaban:

Quote
They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.
I don't have a problem with a black Hermione. At all.

But I wanted to chime in to say that this argument doesn't work so much.
If I remember rightly this quote is from immediately after Hermione has been on holiday somewhere beachy.  It's a comment on her tan.  So really it supports the idea that she's canonically white.  Otherwise commenting on her tan wouldn't really be a thing.

I think people have argued that if she were just tanned, it would have said "tanned" instead of "brown".  But my point was more that we shouldn't read too much into the colours in this quotation or the other.  "White" in context was likely just a reference to Hermione's emotional state.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on March 13, 2016, 10:50:52 pm
Enough about Harry Potter. Let's talk about Star Wars.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 13, 2016, 10:54:13 pm
Enough about Harry Potter. Let's talk about Star Wars.

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on March 13, 2016, 10:56:37 pm
Enough about Harry Potter. Let's talk about Star Wars.

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series

If Awaclus could be turned, he would make a very powerful ally...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2016, 11:50:33 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on March 14, 2016, 06:13:23 am
Not a huge fan of the first six Star Wars movies, but at least they were enjoyable to watch.
The last one was a plain nightmare. The only good thing about this movie is a girl in the main role IMO.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 14, 2016, 10:03:23 am
If it's in the context of being scared, white-face means pale, as in the reddish color from normal blood flow has left your face.  Contrast to flush, where your face is red from increased flow.  This is a human thing, not a racial thing, though obviously not noticeable the lighter someone's skin is.

The fact that we use white-faced to describe the effect of blood drained from the face definitely shows the Caucasian-centric nature of that phrase. But that is the nature of language.

I wonder if the efficacy of gamification is mostly a generational thing. I know that there are gamers out there who seek to complete every achievement in a game, but I just usually ignore them. It does help me know ahead of time if my action in XCom 2 is great. Before the animation is completed, I'll see a badge pop up that I got something cool.

Although, I did focus a lot on the star challenges on Super Mario Galaxy, so I guess I did fall for it. The additional stars just allowed me to access harder content, as I recall.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 11:10:50 am
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on March 14, 2016, 11:48:03 am

Quote

There's also this at the beginning of Azkaban:

Quote
They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.
I don't have a problem with a black Hermione. At all.

But I wanted to chime in to say that this argument doesn't work so much.
If I remember rightly this quote is from immediately after Hermione has been on holiday somewhere beachy.  It's a comment on her tan.  So really it supports the idea that she's canonically white.  Otherwise commenting on her tan wouldn't really be a thing.

I think people have argued that if she were just tanned, it would have said "tanned" instead of "brown".  But my point was more that we shouldn't read too much into the colours in this quotation or the other.  "White" in context was likely just a reference to Hermione's emotional state.
This might actually be a cross Atlantic issue. Am i right in saying you're American?
In my experience, brits use "brown" to describe tan on white people more often/naturally than "tanned".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 14, 2016, 12:08:40 pm
Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

In other words, you agree that, on average, it is a pretty mediocre series?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 12:20:08 pm
Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

In other words, you agree that, on average, it is a pretty mediocre series?

No. Episode 4 is incredible, Episode 5 is one of the best movies of all time, Episode 6 is the worst of the original trilogy but still good. And because of the prequels, we got Mr Plinkett. Episode 7 is arguably better than 6, and it's "basically" Episode 4 all over again.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 01:09:09 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

No man, 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 1; the second of the prequels is the only movie worth watching.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 01:21:04 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

No man, 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 1; the second of the prequels is the only movie worth watching.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That's arguably the WORST Star Wars movie!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 14, 2016, 01:22:08 pm
This might actually be a cross Atlantic issue. Am i right in saying you're American?
In my experience, brits use "brown" to describe tan on white people more often/naturally than "tanned".

Oh, that could be it.  I'm Canadian, but that's still the same side of the Atlantic.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 01:27:59 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

No man, 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 1; the second of the prequels is the only movie worth watching.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That's arguably the WORST Star Wars movie!

I remember having had this discussion in the past with Teproc, but he wasn't able to tell me what is bad about it.

It has a really good plot, not generic, untypical, even, with the good side having the larger army and the main characters not being the heroes at the end; It has cool locations; It takes itself seriously, for the most part (the chase in the beginning sucks and the comic relief in the end with C-3PO is the worst part about it); it does not require opponents to be utterly incompetent to work, or even the good side having extraordinary amounts of luck; it's not predictable; it sells the universe believably; it has no stupid over the top scenes like 3 and 4 and 6.

In other words, it's a good movie! Unlike 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 02:23:54 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

No man, 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 1; the second of the prequels is the only movie worth watching.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That's arguably the WORST Star Wars movie!

I remember having had this discussion in the past with Teproc, but he wasn't able to tell me what is bad about it.

It has a really good plot, not generic, untypical, even, with the good side having the larger army and the main characters not being the heroes at the end; It has cool locations; It takes itself seriously, for the most part (the chase in the beginning sucks and the comic relief in the end with C-3PO is the worst part about it); it does not require opponents to be utterly incompetent to work, or even the good side having extraordinary amounts of luck; it's not predictable; it sells the universe believably; it has no stupid over the top scenes like 3 and 4 and 6.

In other words, it's a good movie! Unlike 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7

You confuse me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 14, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
I know it's a bit weird that the series "starts" with Episode 4, and I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could tell prior to New Hope, but I think it's a bit silly to be ranking movies that haven't been made yet, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on March 14, 2016, 05:54:55 pm
In this case I agree with Awaclus. I don't even think the starwars movies qualify as 'mediocre'.

Heresy! HERESY! (The prequels are awful though)

No man, 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 1; the second of the prequels is the only movie worth watching.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That's arguably the WORST Star Wars movie!

I remember having had this discussion in the past with Teproc, but he wasn't able to tell me what is bad about it.

It has a really good plot, not generic, untypical, even, with the good side having the larger army and the main characters not being the heroes at the end; It has cool locations; It takes itself seriously, for the most part (the chase in the beginning sucks and the comic relief in the end with C-3PO is the worst part about it); it does not require opponents to be utterly incompetent to work, or even the good side having extraordinary amounts of luck; it's not predictable; it sells the universe believably; it has no stupid over the top scenes like 3 and 4 and 6.

In other words, it's a good movie! Unlike 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7

You confuse me.

Careful, or you'll hit yourself in your confusion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 06:01:21 pm
I know it's a bit weird that the series "starts" with Episode 4, and I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could tell prior to New Hope, but I think it's a bit silly to be ranking movies that haven't been made yet, right?

who ranked movies that haven't been made yet?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 06:05:05 pm
Careful, or you'll hit yourself in your confusion.

(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/38/Dream_Persim_Berry_Sprite.png)

I know it's a bit weird that the series "starts" with Episode 4, and I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could tell prior to New Hope, but I think it's a bit silly to be ranking movies that haven't been made yet, right?

who ranked movies that haven't been made yet?

I mean, I'm pretty excited about Rogue One...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on March 14, 2016, 06:11:35 pm
I know it's a bit weird that the series "starts" with Episode 4, and I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could tell prior to New Hope, but I think it's a bit silly to be ranking movies that haven't been made yet, right?

who ranked movies that haven't been made yet?

Ooo, ooo, I get to explain a joke to make it funnier!

Kirian is saying that Star Wars starts on Episode 4, and there's lots of potential for stories before A New Hope, but no prequels have been made. Of course, Kirian knows the prequels 1,2,3 have all been made. He's pretending they don't exist to explain how much he would rather they didn't.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 06:35:11 pm
ehh. I see. That would be a much better joke if the prequels weren't better than the originals.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 06:59:28 pm
ehh. I see. That would be a much better joke if the prequels weren't better than the originals.

You either watched the movies when you were 2, or you're trolling. You have to be trolling.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 07:15:51 pm
ehh. I see. That would be a much better joke if the prequels weren't better than the originals.

You either watched the movies when you were 2, or you're trolling. You have to be trolling.

I rewatched them all recently.

Actually, I have a spreadsheet where I keep track of all movies that I watch and rank them from 1 to 100. Let me look up my scores-- everything above 50 is worth watching.

Attack of the Clones: 68
Epire Strikes Back: 48
Revenge of the Sith: 31
Return of the Jedi: 30
A New Hope: 25
The Phantom Menace: 19
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 07:20:48 pm
Sorry man, they're just not good movies, and for some reason everyone who talks about how amazing they are never explains me what is so good about them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 14, 2016, 07:23:05 pm
I mean, it's all right to be that guy who goes against the prevailing consensus about whether or not a movie is good.  But that doesn't mean there's no consensus, and the consensus doesn't favor those three non-existent movies:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star-wars-saga/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 07:29:40 pm
Sorry man, they're just not good movies, and for some reason everyone who talks about how amazing they are never explains me what is so good about them.

What is so bad about Episode 4, 5, and 6? What happens in the movies?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 07:57:55 pm
I mean, it's all right to be that guy who goes against the prevailing consensus about whether or not a movie is good.  But that doesn't mean there's no consensus, and the consensus doesn't favor those three non-existent movies:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star-wars-saga/
err  :D well the consensus is not a good argument when it comes to art.

Sorry man, they're just not good movies, and for some reason everyone who talks about how amazing they are never explains me what is so good about them.

What is so bad about Episode 4, 5, and 6? What happens in the movies?

Four:
- It looks like crap, which is unfortunate for a Movie set in space
- It's boring over long stretches
- None of the characters are particularly likable.
- The entire chase scene is super cringe worthy, as the good guys are essentially invincible; they are being shot at constantly but those shots always miss for no reason at all. that kills all stakes.
- The finale is incredibly cheesy and generic. I really can't understand how anyone can claim that it's a good movie after watching that.

Five:
This is harder to explain. There aren't that many "flaws" with this one, at least not compared to the above, the problem here is more that the entire movie is unpleasant to look at. The snow planet thing, then the whole escape in the airship... with unlikable characters... who cares... then there's the yoda parts which are easily the best part of the movie, but the planet is likewise ugly, muddy, swampy, foggy.. bllp...f

Then they find shelter but get betrayed five minutes later. And C-3PO gets split in parts and the main guy loses his hand... --like, why watch this? Where's the appeal?


Six:
Okay, the way I remember this one, it was split in two parts

#1 The scene were Luke rescues the other guy. Well, this scene is pretty obviously dumb, because it paints Luke as having some sort of grand plan, but he... doesn't. He just fights, and has plot invincibility again; if this was GoT, he'd die in three seconds.

There are also these things where if you are thrown inside you suffer for 1000 years while you're being digested, and they happily throw tons of other guys in (and a bunch of good guys narrowly avoid it). ttsspfdsfshfksjkghfdkjghj

And why is he even doing this? Don't they have the entire rebellion on their side? Why risk your life in such an asinine way?

#2 The attack on Death Star 2.0

I mean... a forest species with slingshots beat an army of futuristic clone warriors with laser weapons... ... ... ... ... also the fighting is presented as a joke.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on March 14, 2016, 08:19:38 pm
You all should be lucky the Emperor isn't on these forums, because he is not as forgiving as I am.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 14, 2016, 08:36:07 pm
I mean, it's all right to be that guy who goes against the prevailing consensus about whether or not a movie is good.  But that doesn't mean there's no consensus, and the consensus doesn't favor those three non-existent movies:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star-wars-saga/
err  :D well the consensus is not a good argument when it comes to art.

Well, it's an argument that there is a consensus, and that you are standing against it.  There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the consensus position in art, of course, unlike in science.  In both cases, though, you need to present evidence to bolster your case if you want your argument not to be ignored--in science, obviously the evidence must be overwhelming, whereas in art it's incredibly subjective.

But even in art, it's tricky to go against the consensus.  If you try to tell me that you think Beethoven's 1st Symphony is superior to his 9th, or that the Pieta is artistically inferior to the death masks of the Egyptians, that's going to be a really, really hard sell.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 08:38:43 pm

Fair enough, although I look at it more at that there's no such thing as right or wrong anyway when it comes to taste, so all we can do is explain why we feel what we feel regardless of how many other people agree.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 14, 2016, 08:55:27 pm
But even in art, it's tricky to go against the consensus.  If you try to tell me that you think Beethoven's 1st Symphony is superior to his 9th, or that the Pieta is artistically inferior to the death masks of the Egyptians, that's going to be a really, really hard sell.

Well, it's not exactly a major achievement to be superior to Beethoven's 9th symphony.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 08:56:47 pm
But even in art, it's tricky to go against the consensus.  If you try to tell me that you think Beethoven's 1st Symphony is superior to his 9th, or that the Pieta is artistically inferior to the death masks of the Egyptians, that's going to be a really, really hard sell.

Well, it's not exactly a major achievement to be superior to Beethoven's 9th symphony.

Oh, Awaclus. :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 09:12:47 pm
I like Beethoven's 9th Symphony a lot. Tied for my favorite classical piece with the 4 seasons from Vivaldi.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 09:25:28 pm
Unrelated, I just finished rewatching Shutter Island. OH MY GOD that movie is so amazing **_** Can we at least agree on that one?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 09:44:32 pm
Unrelated, I just finished rewatching Shutter Island. OH MY GOD that movie is so amazing **_** Can we at least agree on that one?

An island for exclusively selling outside window covers?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 14, 2016, 09:48:53 pm
I like Beethoven's 9th Symphony a lot. Tied for my favorite classical piece with the 4 seasons from Vivaldi.

Really? I mean, Vivaldi's 4 seasons is good, but Beethoven's 9th symphony is pretty much on-par with modern supermainstream pop music.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 14, 2016, 10:07:50 pm
I like Beethoven's 9th Symphony a lot. Tied for my favorite classical piece with the 4 seasons from Vivaldi.

Really? I mean, Vivaldi's 4 seasons is good, but Beethoven's 9th symphony is pretty much on-par with modern supermainstream pop music.

I had no idea you thought so highly of mainstream pop.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 10:17:16 pm
Unrelated, I just finished rewatching Shutter Island. OH MY GOD that movie is so amazing **_** Can we at least agree on that one?

An island for exclusively selling outside window covers?

If you have not seen that movie, you need to watch it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 14, 2016, 10:20:12 pm
I like Beethoven's 9th Symphony a lot. Tied for my favorite classical piece with the 4 seasons from Vivaldi.

Really? I mean, Vivaldi's 4 seasons is good, but Beethoven's 9th symphony is pretty much on-par with modern supermainstream pop music.

I had no idea you thought so highly of mainstream pop.

Well, I do. Where "so" = "not very".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2016, 10:36:49 pm
Okay, someone beside me must have seen Shutter Island. I thought that movie was really well known. Awaclus? eH?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 14, 2016, 10:54:46 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/14/proposed-washington-stadium-has-a-moat/

Washington revealed their new stadium plans today.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on March 14, 2016, 11:04:51 pm
Okay, someone beside me must have seen Shutter Island. I thought that movie was really well known. Awaclus? eH?

I've watched, and you probably want to talk about this in the "Movie Buffs" thread. I liked it, but the plot twist wasn't that original.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 14, 2016, 11:28:07 pm
Okay, someone beside me must have seen Shutter Island. I thought that movie was really well known. Awaclus? eH?

I usually watch exclusively animation unless a live action movie has been specifically recommended to me or fans of a certain movie/genre/director/etc that I happen to like. Which hasn't been the case for Shutter Island.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 14, 2016, 11:51:12 pm
Unrelated, I just finished rewatching Shutter Island. OH MY GOD that movie is so amazing **_** Can we at least agree on that one?

I have to admit, thrillers just aren't my thing.

I like Beethoven's 9th Symphony a lot. Tied for my favorite classical piece with the 4 seasons from Vivaldi.

Really? I mean, Vivaldi's 4 seasons is good, but Beethoven's 9th symphony is pretty much on-par with modern supermainstream pop music.

I can't tell if you're trolling to mess with me, or if you actually believe that.  Next you'll say that the New World Symphony was pablum for the masses

In particular, the Scherzo/Trio second movement of Beethoven 9 is astonishingly good. 
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2016, 12:00:20 am
Or you could say that Windows 8 is better than Windows 7.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2016, 12:29:18 am
Or you could say that Windows 8 is better than Windows 7.

How is Windows 8.1 not better than Windows 7? It allows for more customization and the technical implementation of how it handles audio is much more sensible.

I can't tell if you're trolling to mess with me, or if you actually believe that.  Next you'll say that the New World Symphony was pablum for the masses

In particular, the Scherzo/Trio second movement of Beethoven 9 is astonishingly good. 

Beethoven was groundbreaking at the time and it's great that he more or less came up with some concepts that inspired later composers to use them to a much better effect, but he himself just wasn't really very good. I think the New World Symphony is pretty good, but it doesn't leave as big of an impact as many other works do and honestly I've forgotten the vast majority of what happens in it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: schadd on March 15, 2016, 12:40:29 am
i think that silverspawn has laid out his whatever quite nicely with respect to star wars, regardless of my stance on the movies

i think the only time you can find a good classical song is when you find a kinda dumb mozart compilation thing on spotify whilst looking for a song that you had to analyse in high school music theory
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2016, 12:46:15 am
i think that silverspawn has laid out his whatever quite nicely with respect to star wars, regardless of my stance on the movies

i think the only time you can find a good classical song is when you find a kinda dumb mozart compilation thing on spotify whilst looking for a song that you had to analyse in high school music theory

We never had to analyze songs in music theory in HS. We did that in music listening instead.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2016, 08:42:46 am
Okay, someone beside me must have seen Shutter Island. I thought that movie was really well known. Awaclus? eH?

I avoid Leo movies as much as possible.

Except The Beach.  That movie was the bomb.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pedroluchini on March 15, 2016, 08:52:55 am
I watched Shutter Island around the same time I watched Inception. I started to wonder whether Leonardo-DiCaprio-plays-a-mentally-unbalanced-man-who-can't-get-over-the-death-of-his-wife was a new cinematic genre I was unaware of.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 15, 2016, 09:02:09 am
Why is it so hard to preorder Fire Emblem Fates Collector's Edition in Sweden?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2016, 06:25:51 pm
So "flower of mustard" is a chip flavor.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 15, 2016, 06:39:56 pm
Why is it so hard to preorder Fire Emblem Fates Collector's Edition in Sweden?

I'm considering getting the collector's edition of Fates here in the UK. I mean right now I'm still completely occupied with Bravely Second, which personally was the JRPG I was more looking forward to this year (and it delivered) despite being a huge FE fan, but... yeah, once it hits April I'm gonna be wanting to get some Fire Emblem, and need to decide which version I want to get - collector's edition, or buy one and get the other two digitially.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 16, 2016, 02:45:06 am
I mainly play FE for the strategy, rather than RPG parts. Which is one of the reasons why I dind't think SD was as bad as a lot of others seem to. That said, it was not a great game.

On a completely different note. I had no idea I needed this in my life.
https://youtu.be/F6pDrnWtuD0
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 16, 2016, 03:29:10 am
Yeah, I generally like RPGs for the strategy side of things. I couldn't care less for who to make my waifbando or husbu in Awakening, just go for whoever seems to work best strategically. No, I'm not doing random encounters, even on Lunatic, give me that proper strategy experience. It's part of why I like RPGs you can get through without grinding, maximum challenge and interest.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on March 16, 2016, 02:21:33 pm
Trampled by Turtles is my new third favorite band.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: GendoIkari on March 17, 2016, 01:29:23 pm
I mainly play FE for the strategy, rather than RPG parts. Which is one of the reasons why I dind't think SD was as bad as a lot of others seem to. That said, it was not a great game.

On a completely different note. I had no idea I needed this in my life.
https://youtu.be/F6pDrnWtuD0

Ha, I just stumbled upon that channel myself last night. The folding a piece of paper in half 7 times is epic.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on March 18, 2016, 02:25:34 am
Three randenim studds!! Don't u darw call me odd topic!!!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 18, 2016, 02:42:27 am
Three randenim studds!! Don't u darw call me odd topic!!!

Here you go: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3227.660
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on March 18, 2016, 09:16:48 am
I kind of want to hang out with drunk iguana iguana now.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 20, 2016, 02:33:09 am
So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on March 20, 2016, 04:30:04 am
So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.

Is there a superior body you can appeal to to evaluate your case? Many universities here have specific anti-plagiarism boards that make the decision about what is plagiarism and what isn't, and about what to do about each case.
Or even just a generic grading complaint system.
Is the assignment a written essay or practical work? In case of a written essay it should be fairly easy to defend your case, unless you've been really unlucky. If it's a piece of program you might make the case that, while there are many degrees of freedom in making a good work, they are not different or varied enough to guarantee that each student will provide a completely unique solution, in particular since you've all been taught at the same establishment. It's a bit like accusing somebody of plagiarism over the way they solved an equation.
Anyhow, it really sucks, I've been in a similar situation (which resolved in the best way possible) and I know how it feels. :/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 20, 2016, 06:10:27 am
So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.

Obviously I don't know the proper procedures at your school, so take everything I'm about to say with a grain or two of salt.  This is from my experience as an adjunct instructor at three separate universities/colleges, and five years in high schools.

First, if your prof says your solution was identical to another student's, he should be able to provide proof.  I spent many hours making copies of identical papers, and many more hours explaining to students, department chairs, and, at the high school level, parents**.  If he has no proof and still will not change your grade back, this is a separate complaint to take to the department chair.

Second, if the department chair hasn't been as responsive as you would like to your previous complaints, you need to go further up the chain of command, as it were.  It sounds like your concerns were... placated... and possibly not taken seriously--it's hard to say.  Certainly the department chair should respond to your complaint about the "identical" charge if the prof has no copies and no evidence.

At most universities, the next step is to contact the dean of the college.  To go to that level, you need to make sure everything that has happened so far is written out, ideally typed as though it were a lab report or the like.  Your university may have a formal complaint system that you will need to navigate, so please check your student handbook to be certain you're following the proper procedures.

**The worst one was a year and a half ago, when a student turned in a lab report that was literally identical to a report from a previous year's student.  Down to data that matched what the previous year's student had measured, as opposed to what his group had measured.  In that class, the students turned their work in electronically, so it was impressively easy to catch and prove.  Amusingly, this is a student who I had taught nine years earlier at the high school level... and had behavior and general academic problems at that time.  It was sad to see that nine years, including seven in adulthood, had failed to significantly change his attitude toward schooling.  (He received a zero for the lab and ultimately failed.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 20, 2016, 11:42:05 am
So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.

Is there a superior body you can appeal to to evaluate your case? Many universities here have specific anti-plagiarism boards that make the decision about what is plagiarism and what isn't, and about what to do about each case.
Or even just a generic grading complaint system.
Is the assignment a written essay or practical work? In case of a written essay it should be fairly easy to defend your case, unless you've been really unlucky. If it's a piece of program you might make the case that, while there are many degrees of freedom in making a good work, they are not different or varied enough to guarantee that each student will provide a completely unique solution, in particular since you've all been taught at the same establishment. It's a bit like accusing somebody of plagiarism over the way they solved an equation.
Anyhow, it really sucks, I've been in a similar situation (which resolved in the best way possible) and I know how it feels. :/
I have been in contact with the department chair for a few weeks regarding earlier concerns about how the instructor was handling the class. I think the case about there not being sufficient different ways to solve the problem (it wasn't terribly complex) sounds like my best course of action if it isn't worked out some other way.

The strange thing is that that he only penalized my grade and didn't contact me otherwise or give any indication that there would be escalation of the issue or anything. I would also like to know who the other student in the class he said my solution was identical to. As I really only have one friend in the course I talk with regularly.


So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.

Obviously I don't know the proper procedures at your school, so take everything I'm about to say with a grain or two of salt.  This is from my experience as an adjunct instructor at three separate universities/colleges, and five years in high schools.

First, if your prof says your solution was identical to another student's, he should be able to provide proof.  I spent many hours making copies of identical papers, and many more hours explaining to students, department chairs, and, at the high school level, parents**.  If he has no proof and still will not change your grade back, this is a separate complaint to take to the department chair.

Second, if the department chair hasn't been as responsive as you would like to your previous complaints, you need to go further up the chain of command, as it were.  It sounds like your concerns were... placated... and possibly not taken seriously--it's hard to say.  Certainly the department chair should respond to your complaint about the "identical" charge if the prof has no copies and no evidence.

At most universities, the next step is to contact the dean of the college.  To go to that level, you need to make sure everything that has happened so far is written out, ideally typed as though it were a lab report or the like.  Your university may have a formal complaint system that you will need to navigate, so please check your student handbook to be certain you're following the proper procedures.

**The worst one was a year and a half ago, when a student turned in a lab report that was literally identical to a report from a previous year's student.  Down to data that matched what the previous year's student had measured, as opposed to what his group had measured.  In that class, the students turned their work in electronically, so it was impressively easy to catch and prove.  Amusingly, this is a student who I had taught nine years earlier at the high school level... and had behavior and general academic problems at that time.  It was sad to see that nine years, including seven in adulthood, had failed to significantly change his attitude toward schooling.  (He received a zero for the lab and ultimately failed.)
I agree that he should have to provide proof. I sent the department chair an email about this before I will bring it up with him, since she seemed very receptive to the complaints that other students and I had several weeks ago. The response to our complaints was for them (some CS faculty and maybe the chair) to have a meeting with the professor discussing things that he needed to change--some major ones were him taking a significant amount of time to grade assignments (last semester with this professor, I turned in an assignment on the third week of class and did not receive it back until after finals), and his lecture not reflecting the material present on assignments and exams. She has asked me to update her about how the class is going since they had the meeting with him.

Another key piece of information is that this professor was only hired last semester. We were informed by the department chair that they have received numerous complaints about him. I am almost certain he doesn't have anything like tenure.

I just sent the chair an email last night when I found out about this, so I'll probably have to wait until Monday to see what she says.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 1 on March 20, 2016, 12:16:49 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on March 20, 2016, 12:33:42 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!

I'm not sure what your problems with navigation are, but starting at the Home Page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php) and then choosing what looks like the right subforum is probably a good way to start. It sound like Dominion Articles (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=8.0) or Dominion General Discussion (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=1.0) is what you're interested in. If someone has a link to that "five deck types" article handy this guy could probably use it.

(Also, have you check out The Necro Wars? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14917.0))
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 20, 2016, 01:55:10 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome to Dominion Forums! If you just flat out play the game, you'll pick up little things as you go along. Play long enough, you might even become 1. :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on March 20, 2016, 02:30:51 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!  :)
Don't worry, somebody will direct you to the Forum games shortly.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 20, 2016, 02:39:51 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!  :)
Don't worry, somebody will direct you to the Forum games shortly.

Just to be clear, this is an inside joke on this forum. This forum has many inside jokes. The joke here is that new people get frequently suggested to check out the forum games, found here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=26.0), and so Accatitippi is joking about this inevitably happening because you are new here. Another inside joke on this forum is the idea that explaining jokes makes them funnier, and that pointing this out also makes them funnier. I have now explained this joke to you, so it is now funnier, as per the previous sentence.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 1 on March 21, 2016, 10:49:13 am
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!

I'm not sure what your problems with navigation are, but starting at the Home Page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php) and then choosing what looks like the right subforum is probably a good way to start. It sound like Dominion Articles (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=8.0) or Dominion General Discussion (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=1.0) is what you're interested in. If someone has a link to that "five deck types" article handy this guy could probably use it.

(Also, have you check out The Necro Wars? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14917.0))
I don't know what my problems were either, this all seems simple enough. I'm just not very tech-savvy in general.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 1 on March 21, 2016, 10:50:18 am
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!  :)
Don't worry, somebody will direct you to the Forum games shortly.

Just to be clear, this is an inside joke on this forum. This forum has many inside jokes. The joke here is that new people get frequently suggested to check out the forum games, found here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=26.0), and so Accatitippi is joking about this inevitably happening because you are new here. Another inside joke on this forum is the idea that explaining jokes makes them funnier, and that pointing this out also makes them funnier. I have now explained this joke to you, so it is now funnier, as per the previous sentence.
If you explain the inside jokes to everyone, how are they inside jokes?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on March 21, 2016, 10:51:16 am
They are only jokes here. Kind of.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on March 21, 2016, 11:03:39 am
If you explain the inside jokes to everyone, how are they inside jokes?

What's wrong with explaining the jokes to every 1? There are not so many of them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on March 21, 2016, 01:09:00 pm
If you explain the inside jokes to everyone, how are they inside jokes?

They're inside jokes, it's just very easy to get inside.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 21, 2016, 03:23:55 pm
Random stuff seems like a good place to post this-
Please help! I'm relatively new to Dominion but I want to get better than my friends so I came here. Sadly, this is also a first my first time on a forum, so navigation has proved to be quite the challenge.

Is there anywhere I can go to get my bearings?

Welcome!  :)
Don't worry, somebody will direct you to the Forum games shortly.

Just to be clear, this is an inside joke on this forum. This forum has many inside jokes. The joke here is that new people get frequently suggested to check out the forum games, found here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=26.0), and so Accatitippi is joking about this inevitably happening because you are new here. Another inside joke on this forum is the idea that explaining jokes makes them funnier, and that pointing this out also makes them funnier. I have now explained this joke to you, so it is now funnier, as per the previous sentence.
If you explain the inside jokes to everyone, how are they inside jokes?

Well, a better word would probably have been meme, but inside joke works as well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 21, 2016, 03:51:06 pm
If you explain the inside jokes to everyone, how are they inside jokes?

Except....that is the joke. The explanation, that is.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Polk5440 on March 21, 2016, 05:49:00 pm
So. I'm basically being accused of plagiarism in my programming class right now. Another student and I had contacted the department chair with some concerns about how our professor was teaching the class. I won't go into the specifics, but we were informed that there were at least several other groups that shared similar concerns. And...now my grading rubric for an assignment says that my solution was "identical" to another student's, so I lose 25%.

Needless to say I'm pretty stressed about this.

Is there a superior body you can appeal to to evaluate your case? Many universities here have specific anti-plagiarism boards that make the decision about what is plagiarism and what isn't, and about what to do about each case.

Kirian's advice is spot on.

I want to double up on Accatitippi's point here. It's critically important to talk to the relevant anti-plagiarism board (if it exists) or a dean of students responsible for handling plagiarism/honor code violations ASAP, especially if you suspect the professor is "punishing" you for complaining to the department head about him/the class. The board/dean is there to protect students.

Two anecdotes for you:

1) At my college, an Integrity Board was established partly because of confusion among faculty about plagiarism/cheating and as a protection for students. Many professors were against creating an Integrity Board because they wanted to retain full control and authority over their classes. This included the ability to fail students or ignore indiscretions at will. The most ridiculous case came about with a physics professor who failed his ENTIRE lab because of plagiarism. What had happened was that he said students could work together, so lab groups collected data together and wrote joint papers together. The TA approved of this because that was the TA's interpretation of the professor's instructions, as well. What the professor actually meant was that people could help each other set up the experiment and share equipment. He was expecting different data from each individual (everyone takes individual measurements) and different reports. This was clearly a case of the professor not clearly communicating expectations. Literally everyone involved interpreted the instructions in the same (evidently incorrect) way and the professor refused to admit a failure of communication. A dean of students had to step in and clear things up. Shortly after, the Integrity Board was approved for the college.

2) Also at my college, for the intro programming class, the professor set strict standards on what level of working together was allowed. He used third party software to evaluate student code to detect whether people were collaborating on coding details rather than high level problem solving. If your professor is the same, you could run into problems if, for instance, your code is identical to your groups' code (with minor exceptions like variable names), different from all other students' code, and your professors' expectations were clear.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on March 21, 2016, 07:05:50 pm
In my high school physics class, copying is rampant. The teacher knows too, or at least is pretty sure, but feels that he cannot do anything about it. It's really quite sad. He feels that administration might not back him up and that the students would protest (he is right about the latter, not sure on the former). It has really made it hard for me to take the class seriously now.

Ichi's story and ones like it from the teachers' perspective aren't pretty either :(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 21, 2016, 07:19:49 pm
In my high school physics class, copying is rampant. The teacher knows too, or at least is pretty sure, but feels that he cannot do anything about it. It's really quite sad. He feels that administration might not back him up and that the students would protest (he is right about the latter, not sure on the former). It has really made it hard for me to take the class seriously now.

Ichi's story and ones like it from the teachers' perspective aren't pretty either :(

In what way could the students legitimately protest?  Why doesn't he think the admin would back him?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on March 21, 2016, 07:25:45 pm
In my high school physics class, copying is rampant. The teacher knows too, or at least is pretty sure, but feels that he cannot do anything about it. It's really quite sad. He feels that administration might not back him up and that the students would protest (he is right about the latter, not sure on the former). It has really made it hard for me to take the class seriously now.

Ichi's story and ones like it from the teachers' perspective aren't pretty either :(

In what way could the students legitimately protest?  Why doesn't he think the admin would back him?
Honestly I'm not sure. He doesn't have much rock solid proof, but really I think it isn't too hard to figure out that the lab reports all look a bit similar, he just doesn't look at them that closely. The legitimacy of the protest doesn't matter that much honestly. They'll just hound whoever they need to until they get their grade. That's how high school works. The weird part is even though they are all seniors and by now have been accepted to colleges they still care about their grades for some reason.

Administration doesn't like dealing with potential angry parents and they also don't like failing students. If grades are a bit inflated who cares really.

I guess I should say that I go to one of those 'college prep' schools.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 21, 2016, 07:55:03 pm
Administration doesn't like dealing with potential angry parents and they also don't like failing students. If grades are a bit inflated who cares really.

I once lost a teaching job mid-year because I refused to inflate my grades.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 21, 2016, 07:58:25 pm
Administration doesn't like dealing with potential angry parents and they also don't like failing students. If grades are a bit inflated who cares really.

I once lost a teaching job mid-year because I refused to inflate my grades.

+1 for being awesome, not because you lost the job
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on March 21, 2016, 08:04:32 pm
Administration doesn't like dealing with potential angry parents and they also don't like failing students. If grades are a bit inflated who cares really.

I once lost a teaching job mid-year because I refused to inflate my grades.
A less extreme version of this may be what he is afraid of. How much grades are inflated varies wildly from class to class for me though, so it does seem like there is some freedom given to teachers on how they grade.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 08:17:01 pm
Hey everyone! I really appreciate all the advice.

And I have an interesting update!

I received an email back from the department chair. She said that I should address the situation directly with my professor first, and if I still had concerns to talk to her then. She also made it very clear to me that the professor is not aware of which individuals (or even in which sections) made complaints about him.

So I went to my professor's office hour today and...

I learned that when he said identical, he meant identical. I actually think he's on my side in this one, but basically some other student in the class somehow got a hold of my code and submitted it without any changes whatsoever. I find that kind of ludicrous, but that's the only thing that I could conclude given that he said they were identical, even including the comments.

So, tomorrow after class I will be meeting with my instructor and this other student to talk about this. I am positive that I was the first one to contact my professor, and in person as well. We talked about different possibilities that someone might have had an opportunity to steal my code, but I really couldn't think of anything. I never leave my computer or flashdrive unattended, and I do most of my coding at home.

Worst comes to worst, I also have maybe 3-4 "prototype" files on my flashdrive and computer which I have been very careful not to open given that they are dated well before the assignment's due date and could possibly be used as proof.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 21, 2016, 08:40:26 pm
I know someone who had people literally photocopy his solution to something and hand it in, including his name on them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 21, 2016, 08:48:00 pm
I know someone who had people literally photocopy his solution to something and hand it in, including his name on them.
That happened in my IB calc class senior year, they even used the school library to do it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on March 21, 2016, 08:50:03 pm
Dealing with these types of students is one of the things I'm least looking forward to... what a lousy situation for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 21, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Teaching sounds like lots of fun sometimes as a job, something I'd like to do.. And then I hear about all this stuff. Eh...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 21, 2016, 09:11:46 pm
Ive always thought about tutoring. probably most of the good things about teaching without as much of the bad
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 21, 2016, 09:44:48 pm
Hey everyone! I really appreciate all the advice.

And I have an interesting update!

I received an email back from the department chair. She said that I should address the situation directly with my professor first, and if I still had concerns to talk to her then. She also made it very clear to me that the professor is not aware of which individuals (or even in which sections) made complaints about him.

So I went to my professor's office hour today and...

I learned that when he said identical, he meant identical. I actually think he's on my side in this one, but basically some other student in the class somehow got a hold of my code and submitted it without any changes whatsoever. I find that kind of ludicrous, but that's the only thing that I could conclude given that he said they were identical, even including the comments.

So, tomorrow after class I will be meeting with my instructor and this other student to talk about this. I am positive that I was the first one to contact my professor, and in person as well. We talked about different possibilities that someone might have had an opportunity to steal my code, but I really couldn't think of anything. I never leave my computer or flashdrive unattended, and I do most of my coding at home.

Worst comes to worst, I also have maybe 3-4 "prototype" files on my flashdrive and computer which I have been very careful not to open given that they are dated well before the assignment's due date and could possibly be used as proof.

Has the other student confirmed that it was his submission yet?  He may see it and say "no that's not what I submitted", like there was just some weird bug that copied your submission onto his name or something.  Otherwise it's a counterclaim situation, if you get lynched today then he'll be confirmed scum tomorrow.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 09:56:56 pm
Haha. I actually did think a lot about Mafia when I was explaining myself to my professor. I think it's prepared me very well for arguing my innocence.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 10:12:49 pm
And of course I'm town...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 21, 2016, 10:20:26 pm
And of course I'm town...

No, you're Ichimaru Gin.

*ba-dum chhhhhhhhh*
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 10:23:30 pm
And of course I'm town...

No, you're Ichimaru Gin.

*ba-dum chhhhhhhhh*
Don't ever leave me again  :'(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on March 21, 2016, 10:30:31 pm
I also got in trouble because someone in my group copied an answer. I'll have to do one more subject because of it next semester. Pretty frustrating.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 21, 2016, 10:33:26 pm
And of course I'm town...

No, you're Ichimaru Gin.

*ba-dum chhhhhhhhh*
Don't ever leave me again  :'(

Don't worry, my precious little Ichimaru Gin. I will forever make horrible puns within earshot.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 10:34:08 pm
ok
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 21, 2016, 10:35:45 pm
ok

You're taking this really well.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 10:36:25 pm
Ok. It's official. Seprix is my dishonest role model.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14981.msg580059#msg580059
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 11:55:57 pm
I can't believe it. I swear I couldn't make this stuff up even if I wanted to.

My professor just emailed me, and it turns out there was a file mixup and there were no identical assignments.
I feel kinda bad for my professor now  :-[
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 21, 2016, 11:58:21 pm
Wow, blaming mod error?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on March 21, 2016, 11:59:42 pm
Wow, blaming mod error?
I'm dying.

I love this place so much. It's very special.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 22, 2016, 07:52:48 am
I'm glad the situation was resolved. File mix-ups can happen, especially if there isn't a clear and consistent way of naming the files.

If I ever take a programming course for a grade, I'd have to make it a point to declare all my variables in distinctly unique ways to prove the program is mine.

Code: [Select]
var strWhatsYourNameBiatch
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Polk5440 on March 22, 2016, 08:22:41 am
I feel kinda bad for my professor now  :-[

Don't feel too bad.

I am glad this was resolved quickly, though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on March 22, 2016, 08:25:37 am
I feel kinda bad for my professor now  :-[

Don't feel too bad.

I am glad this was resolved quickly, though.

Definitely don't feel bad about it. Plagiarism is serious, but accusations of plagiarism are equally serious. He should have double and triple checked that the assignments were identical before accusing anybody.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 22, 2016, 12:04:35 pm
I have Street Fighter V now. Never played it, so I'll obviously suck. But I'm pretty good at Smash Bros, so I hope I can adjust.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 22, 2016, 12:11:05 pm
Definitely don't feel bad about it. Plagiarism is serious, but accusations of plagiarism are equally serious. He should have double and triple checked that the assignments were identical before accusing anybody.

I have Street Fighter V now. Never played it, so I'll obviously suck. But I'm pretty good at Smash Bros, so I hope I can adjust.

Sometimes I forget which thread this is, and then non sequiturs like these really throw me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 22, 2016, 12:18:20 pm
I have Street Fighter V now. Never played it, so It'll obviously suck.

I fixed your typo for you.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 22, 2016, 12:21:48 pm
Definitely don't feel bad about it. Plagiarism is serious, but accusations of plagiarism are equally serious. He should have double and triple checked that the assignments were identical before accusing anybody.

I have Street Fighter V now. Never played it, so I'll obviously suck. But I'm pretty good at Smash Bros, so I hope I can adjust.

Sometimes I forget which thread this is, and then non sequiturs like these really throw me.

Don't worry, I won't plagiarize my opponent's moves.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on March 22, 2016, 12:30:02 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on March 22, 2016, 12:34:22 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.

I actually kind of liked Brawl so I'm uniquely qualified to answer this versus Melee purists.

SSB4 is strictly better than Brawl. Not even close. Not once since I have bought 4 have I even thought about playing Brawl. It's a very well balanced (for Smash) and very fun fighting game. It is worth getting a Wii U for (though also pick up Mario Kart 8 and 3D World, two of the best games in their respective serieses)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 22, 2016, 02:01:27 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.

I actually kind of liked Brawl so I'm uniquely qualified to answer this versus Melee purists.

SSB4 is strictly better than Brawl. Not even close. Not once since I have bought 4 have I even thought about playing Brawl. It's a very well balanced (for Smash) and very fun fighting game. It is worth getting a Wii U for (though also pick up Mario Kart 8 and 3D World, two of the best games in their respective serieses)

If I had a Wii U, SSB4 would be my first buy. Melee is accidentally deep (and is a bit deeper than SSB4) but SSB4 is just clearly a better game for me than Melee.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 22, 2016, 02:28:24 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.

I was going to suggest Splatoon and Super Mario Maker, but based on your list of most-played Wii games, it sounds like you're looking more for couch multiplayer, which neither of those games offers.

Speaking of IRL multiplayer, did anybody else play Pac-Man Vs. on the GameCube? Man that was a fun game.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on March 22, 2016, 02:35:04 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.

I was going to suggest Splatoon and Super Mario Maker, but based on your list of most-played Wii games, it sounds like you're looking more for couch multiplayer, which neither of those games offers.

Speaking of IRL multiplayer, did anybody else play Pac-Man Vs. on the GameCube? Man that was a fun game.

Pac Man VS, along with Four Swords / Advent Children, are the only reason I have kept all my GBAs and GC GBA cables for all these years. It's such a novel concept for a video game, and it's always a blast. It would be SUPER EASY to port this to Wii U, so I hope that happens.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 22, 2016, 02:36:11 pm
Anybody has any thoughts about Super Smash Bros for WiiU?
My group of friends casually played SSBB before the disc broke (long and sad story -.-'), and we're idly considering either having somebody buy a Wii U, buying a new SSBB, or finding a "free" solution to the SSBB problem.

That, Just Dance and Mario Kart are virtually the only stuff we play on the Wii, so I'm not sure we'd actually buy a new console even if SSB for WiiU is amazing.

I was going to suggest Splatoon and Super Mario Maker, but based on your list of most-played Wii games, it sounds like you're looking more for couch multiplayer, which neither of those games offers.

Speaking of IRL multiplayer, did anybody else play Pac-Man Vs. on the GameCube? Man that was a fun game.

Pac Man VS, along with Four Swords / Advent Children, are the only reason I have kept all my GBAs and GC GBA cables for all these years. It's such a novel concept for a video game, and it's always a blast.

I really wish they'd re-release Pac-Man Vs. on the WiiU. I mean the system seems designed specifically for that game.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 22, 2016, 04:40:44 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 22, 2016, 04:43:03 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

Maybe they're messing with you.  Or maybe they know something you don't. ;)

What are you teaching that you used this analogy?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 22, 2016, 04:48:35 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

Maybe they're messing with you.  Or maybe they know something you don't. ;)

What are you teaching that you used this analogy?

We were talking about Scatter Graphs. Positive and negative correlation, strong and weak correlation. One kid (who is quite animated) asked what would happen if your points formed a perfect line going straight across or straight up, and that's where I ended up using that analogy. It was the first thing that popped into my head.

(Also obligatory reminder that I'm a teaching assistant not a teacher, so I wasn't really 'teaching' anything, I just happened to pipe up before the actual teacher did in this case)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 22, 2016, 04:52:29 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

Man, how many (original series) Star Trek episodes were there where they found identical Earth planets? It was at least one, but I think it was more like three. And I'm not even talking about the alternate universe or whatever, just alternate Earths floating in space.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: drsteelhammer on March 22, 2016, 05:47:33 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

Obviously the boy has read about the multiverse hypothesis and mixed "another planet" with an "infinite amount of identical planets" up :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 22, 2016, 05:51:56 pm
The thing is, the analogy still works even if that other number is one, three, or some fixed N, even infinity.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 22, 2016, 05:59:15 pm
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."
Well, I'm pretty sure the number of planets humans live on used to be 0, will probably increase at some point, and also go back to 0.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 23, 2016, 07:47:15 am
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

The boy might be intentionally speaking slyly. I could certainly see someone facetiously saying that.

Not sure about the girl's question. I suppose it could be deadpan humor. I'd have to know her prior history.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on March 23, 2016, 08:16:27 am
I think the girl's comment is not that outlandish. She's probably thinking that the Moon (which is not a planet but let's ignore that) and Mars are planets we know and do stuff on. No human has been on Mars of course, but we do have Curiosity sending us pictures etc. It's kind of like the Caribbean in 1500. That's still overestimating how much we know of Mars, but I can see how an 11-year old would get there (especially after somethinglike The Martian, which I could completely see even a relatively smart kid thinking it's a true story).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on March 23, 2016, 10:05:58 am
Me: "It would be like comparing the number of shark attacks against... the number of planets humans live on. One number might change but the other has always been one."

Girl in class: "Aren't there three planets humans live on? Earth, Mars and the Moon?"

*Slightly later*

Boy in class: "Isn't there another identical earth planet they found somewhere which has copies of all of us on it?"

Admittedly, these are 11 year old kids, but still, they're an average to above average ability group...

The boy might be intentionally speaking slyly. I could certainly see someone facetiously saying that.

Not sure about the girl's question. I suppose it could be deadpan humor. I'd have to know her prior history.
Maybe they just don't like him, and are just trolling him?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 23, 2016, 11:47:19 am
Occam's razor, guys. They probably really thought that. If Tables didn't immediately think they were joking, then I don't think they were.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on March 23, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
Someone, teleport me from work to home please.
The mere thought of one hour in underground is unbearable.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 23, 2016, 12:27:56 pm
(Also obligatory reminder that I'm a teaching assistant not a teacher, so I wasn't really 'teaching' anything, I just happened to pipe up before the actual teacher did in this case)

Can you... explain further?  Are you observing with intent to later go into teaching?  Is teaching assistant a regular thing at the 6th grade level in Britain?  What's your actual job description?

(Serious questions, not trying to joke or anything, I'm interested.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 23, 2016, 02:56:55 pm
(Also obligatory reminder that I'm a teaching assistant not a teacher, so I wasn't really 'teaching' anything, I just happened to pipe up before the actual teacher did in this case)

Can you... explain further?  Are you observing with intent to later go into teaching?  Is teaching assistant a regular thing at the 6th grade level in Britain?  What's your actual job description?

(Serious questions, not trying to joke or anything, I'm interested.)

From what I understand, Teaching Assistant means something slightly different in the US. I don't know exactly what it is over there or what the equivalent to our TA's are called there.

Basically, a Teaching Assistant's main role is to support students with learning difficulties, called Special Educational Needs or SEN for short - things like dyslexia, autism, physical disabilities such as sight or hearing impairments and so forth. English as an Additional Language, or EAL, isn't quite an SEN need but often TAs will support those students as well. Not every class will have a TA with them, generally only the ones with a significant number of SEN need. Mostly this means the lower sets will have TA support more often, since many SEN needs (yes I know the N stands for need but SENs sounds wrong) tend to lead to lower attainment and needing a slower working pace. This set just happens to be a slightly stronger set with an interesting mix of characters. We have one boy who was born with only one arm (normally fine but I occasionally have to help him with the more graphical stuff), one girl with a moderate visual impairment who I spend most of my time in that group, two boys with autism (one who I spend most of the rest of my time with), one boy with EAL at the point he struggles with language and... I think that's it. Basically, quite a needy group for a middle set.

Exactly what a TA does depends on school, and even varies from lesson to lesson. In the above example I mostly help with the visually impaired girl as I mentioned, while in other lessons I might sit with one or two pupils and help break the work down for them. Other lessons I'll just roam around the room and support generally, but keep an eye on a small number of SEN pupils in particular.

I'm happy to talk more about what TAs do if you're still interested but have to get going now, sorry.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on March 23, 2016, 06:20:25 pm
(Also obligatory reminder that I'm a teaching assistant not a teacher, so I wasn't really 'teaching' anything, I just happened to pipe up before the actual teacher did in this case)

Can you... explain further?  Are you observing with intent to later go into teaching?  Is teaching assistant a regular thing at the 6th grade level in Britain?  What's your actual job description?

(Serious questions, not trying to joke or anything, I'm interested.)

From what I understand, Teaching Assistant means something slightly different in the US. I don't know exactly what it is over there or what the equivalent to our TA's are called there.

Basically, a Teaching Assistant's main role is to support students with learning difficulties, called Special Educational Needs or SEN for short - things like dyslexia, autism, physical disabilities such as sight or hearing impairments and so forth. English as an Additional Language, or EAL, isn't quite an SEN need but often TAs will support those students as well. Not every class will have a TA with them, generally only the ones with a significant number of SEN need. Mostly this means the lower sets will have TA support more often, since many SEN needs (yes I know the N stands for need but SENs sounds wrong) tend to lead to lower attainment and needing a slower working pace. This set just happens to be a slightly stronger set with an interesting mix of characters. We have one boy who was born with only one arm (normally fine but I occasionally have to help him with the more graphical stuff), one girl with a moderate visual impairment who I spend most of my time in that group, two boys with autism (one who I spend most of the rest of my time with), one boy with EAL at the point he struggles with language and... I think that's it. Basically, quite a needy group for a middle set.

Exactly what a TA does depends on school, and even varies from lesson to lesson. In the above example I mostly help with the visually impaired girl as I mentioned, while in other lessons I might sit with one or two pupils and help break the work down for them. Other lessons I'll just roam around the room and support generally, but keep an eye on a small number of SEN pupils in particular.

I'm happy to talk more about what TAs do if you're still interested but have to get going now, sorry.

Yeah, that is completely different from over here. In the US, a TA is usually a grad student who teaches parts of a course (or even all of it sometimes) for a professor. Or someone who does administrative tasks for a busy professor. I think the job you're referring to is usually just called a 'special needs educator' here (maybe not that exact wording, but I have several colleagues on that path).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 23, 2016, 07:16:32 pm
Basically, a Teaching Assistant's main role is to support students with learning difficulties, called Special Educational Needs or SEN for short - things like dyslexia, autism, physical disabilities such as sight or hearing impairments and so forth. English as an Additional Language, or EAL, isn't quite an SEN need but often TAs will support those students as well.

Ah, got it, I thought that might have been what you meant but couldn't be sure.  Over here that would be a paraprofessional, or para for short.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on March 24, 2016, 06:54:19 am
At the university level in Britain, the term TA starts matching up again with the US definition.  Or more so, anyway.
For instance I have done some TAing for a few varied 3rd year courses. The professor and I teach the class jointly, him taking the lead obviously. But my main role there was to collect and mark the work for the students, leaving the professor time to focus on the class itself.

The marking can be an almighty pain, hoping to graduate to tutor next year to avoid it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: gkrieg13 on March 24, 2016, 09:00:18 pm
At the university level in Britain, the term TA starts matching up again with the US definition.  Or more so, anyway.
For instance I have done some TAing for a few varied 3rd year courses. The professor and I teach the class jointly, him taking the lead obviously. But my main role there was to collect and mark the work for the students, leaving the professor time to focus on the class itself.

The marking can be an almighty pain, hoping to graduate to tutor next year to avoid it.

NOBODY likes grading.  But at least you get paid for it  :D
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on March 26, 2016, 08:35:26 pm
Obi-Wan was the worst teacher of all time. He even flat out lied to Luke about me and that I was his dad and stuff.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on March 28, 2016, 07:12:29 pm
I know someone who had people literally photocopy his solution to something and hand it in, including his name on them.
I know someone who had a "wall of shame" in his PhD office for examples of blatant plagiarism. This included one essay where the introduction and conclusion were in the student's highly identifiable broken English, while the body was grammatically perfect (and pretty much verbatim the relevant Wikipedia article). I think he had one or two more copied-from-Wikipedia essays that left in links and citation marks.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 30, 2016, 10:32:45 pm
I don't think this deserves its own thread:

In what order do you think of the base cards? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse? Is it Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, Copper, Silver, Gold? Is it something else?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 30, 2016, 11:03:26 pm
I don't think this deserves its own thread:

In what order do you think of the base cards? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse? Is it Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, Copper, Silver, Gold? Is it something else?

Thanks!

The first one.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: XerxesPraelor on March 30, 2016, 11:08:22 pm
I don't think this deserves its own thread:

In what order do you think of the base cards? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse? Is it Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, Copper, Silver, Gold? Is it something else?

Thanks!

The first one.

Same with me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on March 30, 2016, 11:32:26 pm
I don't think this deserves its own thread:

In what order do you think of the base cards? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse? Is it Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, Copper, Silver, Gold? Is it something else?

Thanks!
Today it's Copper, Silver, Gold, Province, Estate, Duchy, Curse.

Ask again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 30, 2016, 11:34:26 pm
I set it up in this way:

Event E D P [C] C [R]
Event C S G [P] Trash


I don't use the trash pile card, but instead set the cards sideways, to constitute a difference in pile.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on March 30, 2016, 11:38:48 pm
I set it up Seprix's way. If I were explaining the game to someone new, the first one. If I were thinking about it during the game, Province - Gold - Silver  - Duchy - Estate - Copper since that's roughly the order I consider them when making buy decisions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 31, 2016, 04:18:12 am
I don't think this deserves its own thread:

In what order do you think of the base cards? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse? Is it Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province? Is it Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, Copper, Silver, Gold? Is it something else?

Thanks!

Copper, Silver, Gold, Province, Duchy, Estate, Curse.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on March 31, 2016, 04:40:44 am
I think of them as I lay them out on the table when I play, which is

Curse Estate Duchy Province (Colony)
(Trash) Copper Silver (Potion) Gold (Platinum)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 31, 2016, 12:30:25 pm
You know what's the worst when I'm playing in-person Dominion (which is very rare)?  When people set up the cards in cost order... including the standard supply cards.  So the table gets laid out something like this:

Colony - Platinum - Province
Inheritance - King's Court - Gold - Nobles
Market - Catacombs - Duchy
Coppersmith - Worker's Village - Tournament
Silver - Oasis - Urchin - Plan
Page - Pawn - Estate
Copper - [Curse]

(These sorts of people invariably fail to put out curse if there's no curser.)

So this means that depending on my seat, I have to look over/around big stacks to see the standard kingdom stacks.  And don't forget the events being mixed in with all the regular cards!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on March 31, 2016, 12:34:45 pm
You know what's the worst when I'm playing in-person Dominion (which is very rare)?  When people set up the cards in cost order... including the standard supply cards.  So the table gets laid out something like this:

Colony - Platinum - Province
Inheritance - King's Court - Gold - Nobles
Market - Catacombs - Duchy
Coppersmith - Worker's Village - Tournament
Silver - Oasis - Urchin - Plan
Page - Pawn - Estate
Copper - [Curse]

(These sorts of people invariably fail to put out curse if there's no curser.)

So this means that depending on my seat, I have to look over/around big stacks to see the standard kingdom stacks.  And don't forget the events being mixed in with all the regular cards!

I set up the Kingdom cards in cost order, but who would do THAT!?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on March 31, 2016, 12:48:20 pm
Honestly I will probably start a whole thread on how you lay out your dominion cards when I get home and can use a camera.

I usually do Treasures / Trash top row, Victory / Curse 2nd, then two rows of Kingdom cards mimicking Dominion Online's layout.

Depending on the table / board, and how lazy / intoxicated I am, I'll sometimes do columns instead with pricier cards closer to the player. So like the leftmost column would be Copper Silver Gold, then Estate Duchy Province. Curse and Trash go to the right of Estate along with the two cheapest Kingdom cards, then the remaining 8 Kingdom Cards go in the two rows below that.

Events? Eh, they just go kind of wherever. Usually closest to the player most likely to forget they exist.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on March 31, 2016, 12:58:22 pm
I don't get the hate for people that don't put out Curses out when there are no cursers. In the very rare cases where it matters, you can just take them out of the box when requested, and every other time it makes setup/clean-up that bit faster.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on March 31, 2016, 01:17:04 pm
You know what's the worst when I'm playing in-person Dominion (which is very rare)?  When people set up the cards in cost order... including the standard supply cards.  So the table gets laid out something like this:

Colony - Platinum - Province
Inheritance - King's Court - Gold - Nobles
Market - Catacombs - Duchy
Coppersmith - Worker's Village - Tournament
Silver - Oasis - Urchin - Plan
Page - Pawn - Estate
Copper - [Curse]

(These sorts of people invariably fail to put out curse if there's no curser.)

So this means that depending on my seat, I have to look over/around big stacks to see the standard kingdom stacks.  And don't forget the events being mixed in with all the regular cards!

I set up the Kingdom cards in cost order, but who would do THAT!?

I agree. The treasures/victory cards are staples and should always stay where they are (including Curses, but I understand if they're not set out as a matter of convenience). I also do kingdom cards in cost order. I don't have Adventures yet, so I can't say what I'd do with the events. I guess put them above the treasure/VPs. Probably.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 31, 2016, 01:32:02 pm
You know what's the worst when I'm playing in-person Dominion (which is very rare)?  When people set up the cards in cost order... including the standard supply cards.  So the table gets laid out something like this:

Colony - Platinum - Province
Inheritance - King's Court - Gold - Nobles
Market - Catacombs - Duchy
Coppersmith - Worker's Village - Tournament
Silver - Oasis - Urchin - Plan
Page - Pawn - Estate
Copper - [Curse]

(These sorts of people invariably fail to put out curse if there's no curser.)

So this means that depending on my seat, I have to look over/around big stacks to see the standard kingdom stacks.  And don't forget the events being mixed in with all the regular cards!

/me shudders
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on March 31, 2016, 01:33:50 pm
I don't have Adventures yet, so I can't say what I'd do with the events. I guess put them above the treasure/VPs. Probably.

We used to do…

[Basic Cards]
[Kingdom Cards]
[Events]

…but now we do…

[Basic Cards]
[Events]
[Kingdom Cards]

…and I think it makes Events just slightly easier to remember. Though sometimes people still forget. Joke's on them!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on March 31, 2016, 01:49:26 pm
Sort the cards alphabetically by artist first name.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on March 31, 2016, 02:07:18 pm
I just wanted to point out that this may be the most off-color joke I've seen referenced in MLP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIb80m7vUS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_urvjCXg6c
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: J Reggie on March 31, 2016, 04:45:03 pm
Sort the cards alphabetically by artist first name.

You can also sort the cards by the most recent Qvist ranking.

I just use the mat from the big box most of the time, and when I don't have it I set up the basic cards in that order. I usually put Ruins in the Platinum or Potion slot, depending on whether either of those is being used.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 31, 2016, 04:54:32 pm
I think putting events with kingdom cards is perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on March 31, 2016, 04:56:46 pm
I sort the cards by their mass, least to greatest.  It seems the most natural.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Watno on March 31, 2016, 04:58:18 pm
what's the tiebreaker?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on March 31, 2016, 04:59:35 pm
I don't always sort the kingdom cards, but when I do, I'm still the only one around the table who has any idea why they're in that order.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: qmech on March 31, 2016, 05:56:23 pm
what's the tiebreaker?

Bruce Banner's neck.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on March 31, 2016, 08:26:29 pm
You know what's the worst when I'm playing in-person Dominion (which is very rare)?  When people set up the cards in cost order... including the standard supply cards.  So the table gets laid out something like this:

...

(These sorts of people invariably fail to put out curse if there's no curser.)

So this means that depending on my seat, I have to look over/around big stacks to see the standard kingdom stacks.  And don't forget the events being mixed in with all the regular cards!

I have a friend who insists on putting kingdom victory and treasure cards with the basic ones, and it always annoys me. I can see the logic of it at least - since it means you have action cards, treasure cards and victory cards separate, but man I don't want to forget or never even notice there was Fairgrounds in the game just because you plonked it up there.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: funkdoc on March 31, 2016, 09:48:53 pm
idk if we have a thread for non-dominion streams but a good one is startin up now:

https://www.twitch.tv/lordbbh

this is a longtime buddy of mine who's a freakin god at classic arcade games.  he's beaten hundreds of them on one credit, but his recent streams have taken a different approach.  specifically, a little something called MAME Roulette!

the idea is simple: fire up the arcade emulator MAME, and have it display a random list of games.  he plays the top game on the list unless it isn't emulated or it's gambling/porn, in which case he rerolls.  every 5th game he does Viewer's Choice, where we get to vote on any game from the given list for him to play.

recent highlights include a game where you stick a finger up people's butts, and BBH getting a one-credit clear on the Capcom shooter UN Squadron (after not playing it for years)

he does these every Monday & Thursday, so stop on by!  arcade games tend to have a lot more unique aesthetics/presentation than console stuff, and i think that works well for streaming.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Gveoniz on April 01, 2016, 11:06:00 am
I was thinking about the obligatory April's fool joke about Isotropic being live along with "Empire" (the Innovation achievement), but then I find out Isotropic Innovation is down too...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 01, 2016, 11:19:38 am
April Fools jokes are so cliche and unoriginal. I refuse to participate.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2016, 01:22:56 pm
I won the lottery today!!!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2016, 01:23:34 pm
Not! April fooolss  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 01, 2016, 01:23:57 pm
Not! April fooolss  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

lame
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 01, 2016, 01:44:35 pm
April Fools jokes are so cliche and unoriginal. I refuse to participate.

Besides, the best April Fool's pranks are done on days other than April 1. People are less likely to expect it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 01, 2016, 02:06:55 pm
I was very tempted to ask theory if he'd mock ban me for something on April Fools day, but I think that joke has been done before anyway. Still could have been funny I guess?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 01, 2016, 03:10:53 pm
I was very tempted to ask theory if he'd mock ban me for something on April Fools day, but I think that joke has been done before anyway. Still could have been funny I guess?

I can't ban you, can I just mock you instead?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 01, 2016, 03:15:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1qouWw888
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 01, 2016, 03:21:43 pm
I was very tempted to ask theory if he'd mock ban me for something on April Fools day, but I think that joke has been done before anyway. Still could have been funny I guess?

I think it would be sad if you were banned, not funny.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 01, 2016, 03:28:20 pm
Not! April fooolss  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

it's my birthday today!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2016, 03:32:21 pm
Not! April fooolss  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

it's my birthday today!
Happy Spawnday!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on April 01, 2016, 04:07:08 pm
Where is the classic 'remove the restriction from forum games for overall posts' thing that theory does today? Totally slacking on the job.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 01, 2016, 04:16:17 pm
Where is the classic 'remove the restriction from forum games for overall posts' thing that theory does today? Totally slacking on the job.

Seems like a really tame April Fools' Day in general. I can't even find any new "leaked" Pokémon from Sun and Moon.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 01, 2016, 04:39:53 pm
Where is the classic 'remove the restriction from forum games for overall posts' thing that theory does today? Totally slacking on the job.

Seems like a really tame April Fools' Day in general. I can't even find any new "leaked" Pokémon from Sun and Moon.

It's TrumpGrounds on Newgrounds today, it's pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 01, 2016, 05:02:21 pm
Where is the classic 'remove the restriction from forum games for overall posts' thing that theory does today? Totally slacking on the job.

Seems like a really tame April Fools' Day in general. I can't even find any new "leaked" Pokémon from Sun and Moon.

The gmail mic drop joke was brilliant though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 02, 2016, 07:30:13 pm
Not! April fooolss  ;D  ;D ;D ;D ;D

it's my birthday today!
Happy Spawnday!

This deserves more likes than it currently has.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on April 03, 2016, 03:12:19 am
I was very tempted to ask theory if he'd mock ban me for something on April Fools day, but I think that joke has been done before anyway. Still could have been funny I guess?

I can't ban you, can I just mock you instead?
Everyone else in the world does.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 05, 2016, 04:38:07 pm
I'm seriously considering getting a New 3DS (XL), despite already having an original 3DS. I pretty much never get mid-generation console upgrades but there's a few reasons I'm considering it.

1) Hyrule Warriors Legends sounds really fun, despite having played through the original on Wii U. It sounds like it fixes a lot of that games issues and it'll be nice to have a somewhat low-thought-required game to play on the bus to/from work every day, which will last a long time. And while this isn't a version exclusive, it apparently runs badly on only 3DS's but runs well on N3DS.

2) My current 3DS is beginning to get wear and tear. It's had many hundreds of hours of use - perhaps even many thousands, so this doesn't surprise me too much. The circle pad's rubber is more than half worn away, it won't be long until it's completely broken off (still comfy enough to use though). The console has dirt in pretty much every corner that I can't quite wash out. The top screen has two vertical lines of scratches/dug in dirt from where the bottom screen meets it. The earphone jack is a little bit loose, causing slight crackling sounds when it's knocked lightly or adjusted. The stylus holder is very loose, leading to the stylus having almost been lost on multiple occasions (although I do have spares, of course). Getting a shiny new replacement would be really nice.

3) Better technology inside. I like the idea of the head tracking 3D (although I should look in to how good people feel it is), and having bigger screens sounds nice as well. Plus I believe it generally loads faster, and there's a few games which take advantage of the extra buttons.

However there's a few downsides I need to consider, of course.

1) Cost. I've looked in a few places, and I might be able to get it cheaper, but typically it looks like around £135ish for an N3DS and £165 for an N3DS XL. That's a lot of money on other potential things.

2) No currently true exclusive games I want. Xenoblade Chronicles is pretty much the best game ever, but I already have the original and the Wii U VC version, and man, I don't need a third. And HW:L can still run on an old 3DS, even if it's at reduced quality.

3) The large size has a drawback itself in that I can no longer keep it in my pocket. Normally nowadays I put my 3DS in my bag, but it's nice when e.g. getting on a bus or in a queue for something being able to slide it in my pocket when I need my hands free and getting it back out again. Maybe it'll still fit in some of my trouser pockets, but certainly not all of them like the 3DS does.

Anyone - especially those who have the N3DS - have any opinions to share that might help me make the decision?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 05, 2016, 05:10:22 pm
3) Better technology inside. I like the idea of the head tracking 3D (although I should look in to how good people feel it is), and having bigger screens sounds nice as well. Plus I believe it generally loads faster, and there's a few games which take advantage of the extra buttons.

The head-tracking 3D is amazing! It's not totally flawless, but it blows the original 3DS out of the water. Not too long after getting my original 3DS, I turned the 3D off unless I need it for gameplay. On the New 3DS XL, I keep it on all the time (unless I'm playing a 2D game, obviously).

Originally I was in the crowd that was very angry that the New 3DS (non-XL) wasn't coming to North America. But now that I have the XL, I'm not looking back. The bigger screens make a huge difference. And if you want to play any original DS games on the 3DS without them becoming a blurry mess, the XL is almost a must. It shrinks the games down to the size of the original 3DS screens, whereas the original 3DS shrinks them down to oblivion. Damn Nintendo and their screen ratios changing radically with every portable they release… They could really learn from Sony in that regard.

But I digress. If you play your 3DS a lot, I strongly recommend upgrading from the original to a 3DS XL. The one caveat is that we don't seem to play many of the same games, so I can't speak to how specific games will run.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 05, 2016, 05:19:18 pm
Thanks for the opinion, that's really helpful to know. I've just done a little digging, and while it seems a lot of professional reviews were slating HWL on old 3DS, a lot of people have said they were overly critical, and the game is fully playable - just with a sub-par framerate. So on the other hand, that's one of my reasons for upgrading maybe being less worthwhile. Hmm...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 05, 2016, 05:27:17 pm
Well I don't think I have any games that are exclusive to the New 3DS. Wait that's not true, I downloaded Earthbound, and SNES games like that are exclusive to the New 3DS. Anyway, it's worth upgrading to the New 3DS XL independent of the better processor, is my point. The better 3D and larger screens are a godsend. Also I believe it has slightly better battery life.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 06, 2016, 06:21:27 pm
I did it. I've ordered an N3DS XL.

If I don't enjoy it, I'm blaming you, LastFootnote.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 06, 2016, 06:27:09 pm
I did it. I've ordered an N3DS XL.

If I don't enjoy it, I'm blaming you, LastFootnote.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 06, 2016, 06:42:39 pm
So very impractical, but I found the video satisfying.

http://www.cnet.com/news/bonkers-120-sided-die-puts-the-big-roll-in-role-playing-games/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 06, 2016, 07:21:36 pm
So very impractical, but I found the video satisfying.

http://www.cnet.com/news/bonkers-120-sided-die-puts-the-big-roll-in-role-playing-games/

It's funny because it's Random Stuff.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Lekkit on April 07, 2016, 04:28:02 am
Apparently, getting used to a new name takes some time. :S
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 07, 2016, 10:18:54 am
Apparently, getting used to a new name takes some time. :S

Do they Lekkit though?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on April 07, 2016, 11:52:30 am
I missed the 3DS discussion a little, but on top of everything else, the biggest advantage is that the volume slider is not underneath your left hand anymore! No more accidentally spiking the volume up or down mid game. I am definitely happy with the upgrade, and it does sometimes still fit in my pockets.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 07, 2016, 12:15:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpg50GDtKtw

#shamelessSelfPromotion
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 07, 2016, 02:36:26 pm
I missed the 3DS discussion a little, but on top of everything else, the biggest advantage is that the volume slider is not underneath your left hand anymore! No more accidentally spiking the volume up or down mid game. I am definitely happy with the upgrade, and it does sometimes still fit in my pockets.

Yep, I'm playing my N3DS now, and it can indeed still fit in my pocket, which is pretty nice. It's noticably heavier though, but that's to be expected I guess. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm currently playing Bravely Second, and whenever I transition to a menu or back out again I keep thinking, damn why does everything look so big. The 3D tracking is actually really good, better than I expected for sure. I did have to turn off auto brightness, that doesn't seem to work very well but otherwise, yeah, it's nice all around.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 07, 2016, 03:32:02 pm
I missed the 3DS discussion a little, but on top of everything else, the biggest advantage is that the volume slider is not underneath your left hand anymore! No more accidentally spiking the volume up or down mid game. I am definitely happy with the upgrade, and it does sometimes still fit in my pockets.

Yep, I'm playing my N3DS now, and it can indeed still fit in my pocket, which is pretty nice. It's noticably heavier though, but that's to be expected I guess. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm currently playing Bravely Second, and whenever I transition to a menu or back out again I keep thinking, damn why does everything look so big. The 3D tracking is actually really good, better than I expected for sure. I did have to turn off auto brightness, that doesn't seem to work very well but otherwise, yeah, it's nice all around.

Yes, I turned off auto-brightness a long time ago.

5: For playing on a bus/train in daylight
4: For playing on a bus/train when the sky is overcast
3: For playing indoors in normal light
2: For playing in relatively dim light
1: For playing in very dim light or darkness
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 08, 2016, 11:42:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/68eKBiG.png)

Many more:

http://imgur.com/gallery/tIwD5

Actually, I guess here is the source of them: http://parksandrings.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2016, 03:32:00 pm
http://imgur.com/gallery/tIwD5

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on April 08, 2016, 03:56:14 pm
http://imgur.com/gallery/tIwD5

I don't get it.

The lines are from the NBC sitcom Parks and Recreation. The images are from the filmic adaptations of J.R.R. Tolkien's famous Lord of the Rings trilogy.

It is humorous because of the juxtaposition of silly, jokey-type dialogue on images from a grand epic story, though sometimes the humour also comes from the resemblance between the situations in those very different works.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 08, 2016, 03:56:41 pm
http://imgur.com/gallery/tIwD5

I don't get it.

Have you watched Parks & Recreation?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 08, 2016, 04:25:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OrXEm5E.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2016, 04:52:57 pm
http://imgur.com/gallery/tIwD5

I don't get it.

Have you watched Parks & Recreation?

Sure, but none of those lines stand out to me as being from the show.  I've only seen maybe a dozen episodes.

There was one about a hamburger that was funny.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2016, 04:54:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OrXEm5E.gif)

Bollywood is so great.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on April 08, 2016, 06:29:09 pm
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110224.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 08, 2016, 06:47:42 pm
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110224.gif)

While funny, there are more differences than that. :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 08, 2016, 06:53:12 pm
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110224.gif)

While funny, there are more differences than that. :)

So when it stops being funny, there are no more differences than that?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 08, 2016, 07:04:04 pm

While funny, there are more differences than that. :)

So when it stops being funny, there are no more differences than that?

Ever the literalist.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 08, 2016, 11:55:18 pm
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110224.gif)

While funny, there are more differences than that. :)

So when it stops being funny, there are no more differences than that?
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conditionals.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2016, 01:13:55 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d579c44accc73209d394e15d68e9e1b4/tumblr_n5n4shJmku1qjcivho1_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on April 09, 2016, 08:24:26 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d579c44accc73209d394e15d68e9e1b4/tumblr_n5n4shJmku1qjcivho1_540.jpg)

Why are his pants on backwards? Or is his TORSO on backwards???
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2016, 11:17:15 am
Torso.  My best guess is Photoshop.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: XerxesPraelor on April 09, 2016, 11:51:16 pm

While funny, there are more differences than that. :)

So when it stops being funny, there are no more differences than that?

The thing is, that xkcd comic person is actually correct, whereas awalcus's form response is not correct no matter how literal you want to be.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 10, 2016, 12:10:01 am
Where did Limetime go?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on April 11, 2016, 06:29:32 am
Where did Limetime go?
This.  And not just because we miss him in forum Mafia either. Not seen hide nor hair of him.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 11, 2016, 03:18:26 pm
Where did Limetime go?

I squared him off against my Apprentice, and he got trashed. Sorry.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 11, 2016, 03:21:37 pm
Where did Limetime go?

I squared him off against my Apprentice, and he got trashed. Sorry.

Who are you? Are you an alternate account or a new player? Can I play a game of Dominion with you? I promise not to cut off your hand.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 11, 2016, 03:52:20 pm
Who are you? Are you an alternate account or a new player? Can I play a game of Dominion with you? I promise not to cut off your hand.

I am Wandering Winder.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 11, 2016, 10:07:03 pm
Who are you? Are you an alternate account or a new player? Can I play a game of Dominion with you? I promise not to cut off your hand.

I am Wandering Winder.

Guess I walked into that one.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on April 12, 2016, 08:20:22 am
Who are you? Are you an alternate account or a new player? Can I play a game of Dominion with you? I promise not to cut off your hand.

I am Wandering Winder.
Are you also the reincarnation of Isotropicwasbetter?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 12, 2016, 09:33:45 am
Are you also the reincarnation of Isotropicwasbetter?

No, that was you. :)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 12, 2016, 11:01:29 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/complexion.png)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 13, 2016, 03:09:08 am
There's a college-age female on the train reading a beat up copy of Pride and Prejudice.  Is there possibly a more clichéd image in all the world?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 08:18:32 am
There's a college-age female on the train reading a beat up copy of Pride and Prejudice.  Is there possibly a more clichéd image in all the world?

More cliche than a pimpled high schooler wearing serial rapist glasses playing Magic: The Gathering? I don't know that cliche, though it sounds very passé.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 13, 2016, 08:35:36 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 09:00:47 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

It's not the guy himself, it's his glasses that are the serial rapist. Every day he walks on the streets, his glasses go and rape random strangers, no matter how much he tries to stop them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 13, 2016, 09:02:51 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

It's not the guy himself, it's his glasses that are the serial rapist. Every day he walks on the streets, his glasses go and rape random strangers, no matter how much he tries to stop them.

hm, okay.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on April 13, 2016, 09:43:07 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

I wouldn't, if only because of the proportion of males among MTG players.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 10:05:34 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

No, the glasses are the stereotypical 'serial rapist' glasses, so named because a few creepy rapists so happened to wear them. They're an ugly 80s look. You know, something like this:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/02/article-0-01D0E4A800000578-439_233x365.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 10:16:17 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

I wouldn't, if only because of the proportion of males among MTG players.

I would, if only because of the proportion of people from first-world countries among MTG players.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 13, 2016, 10:40:21 am
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 10:54:28 am
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I still recognize certain Arabic phrases (such as a request to join my team or a reference to my mother's vagina (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kos+omak&defid=1912378)) when non-Unicode Arabic characters are displayed on a Finnish system (i.e. when they look something like this: ð˜M‚鎖‚ÅŒø‰Ê) from back when I played the retail version of Conquer Online, which is highly popular among Egyptian people. Is that close enough?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 13, 2016, 11:02:19 am
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

I wouldn't, if only because of the proportion of males among MTG players.

Hm, good point. I didn't think about male/female. I'll retract that statement to a random group with the same male/female ratio.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 13, 2016, 11:03:15 am
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I still recognize certain Arabic phrases (such as a request to join my team or a reference to my mother's vagina (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kos+omak&defid=1912378)) when non-Unicode Arabic characters are displayed on a Finnish system (i.e. when they look something like this: ð˜M‚鎖‚ÅŒø‰Ê) from back when I played the retail version of Conquer Online, which is highly popular among Egyptian people. Is that close enough?

Well, admittedly better than my understanding, but regrettably not.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on April 13, 2016, 01:22:57 pm
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

Basically everything I know about MTG communities, nerd spaces in general, rape culture, and misogyny would disagree with this. Obviously I can't make a rigorous, provable argument for the opposite, but MTG play groups can be pretty toxic spaces for non-men.

I guess there's a chance that more people would be okay with rape in these communities, but less would be bothered to actually go out and be rapists.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 01:46:05 pm
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

Basically everything I know about MTG communities, nerd spaces in general, rape culture, and misogyny would disagree with this. Obviously I can't make a rigorous, provable argument for the opposite, but MTG play groups can be pretty toxic spaces for non-men.

I guess there's a chance that more people would be okay with rape in these communities, but less would be bothered to actually go out and be rapists.

I can't imagine those people would be 'okay' with rape as much as it is a jealousy and entitlement about not getting 'some pussy' or something like that. The worst of nerd culture (as you refer to) seems to be a bunch of immature beta, alpha wannabe twats, of the whiny 12 year old CoD variety, but that's a bit stereotypical, and too dismissive of me to really accept myself as an answer. And well, there are a number of more things to ask or discuss which I wrote down, and then well, this is sort of an RSP topic, so I deleted it all. :p

Back to your regularly scheduled programming?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 13, 2016, 02:07:13 pm
I would bet on there being fewer rapists among MTG players than among a random group of people.

Basically everything I know about MTG communities, nerd spaces in general, rape culture, and misogyny would disagree with this. Obviously I can't make a rigorous, provable argument for the opposite, but MTG play groups can be pretty toxic spaces for non-men.

Hm, interesting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 13, 2016, 02:14:01 pm
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I don't myself, but two of my flatmates speak each of them as first or second languages. May they be of help?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 02:21:16 pm
Basically everything I know about MTG communities, nerd spaces in general, rape culture, and misogyny would disagree with this. Obviously I can't make a rigorous, provable argument for the opposite, but MTG play groups can be pretty toxic spaces for non-men.

I guess there's a chance that more people would be okay with rape in these communities, but less would be bothered to actually go out and be rapists.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that there exists anyone who plays MTG and is "okay with rape". People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 13, 2016, 02:22:36 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: faust on April 13, 2016, 02:35:30 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on April 13, 2016, 02:39:54 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.

Relatively few (but a nontrivial number) of people think rape is okay. Many, many people don't think of what they are doing as rape.

I have been drunk many times and I've never wanted to rape anybody. I honestly just do not understand how being drunk makes people who are otherwise moral upstanding citizens okay with rape. I don't believe it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on April 13, 2016, 02:42:01 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.

Relatively few (but a nontrivial number) of people think rape is okay. Many, many people don't think of what they are doing as rape.

I have been drunk many times and I've never wanted to rape anybody. I honestly just do not understand how being drunk makes people who are otherwise moral upstanding citizens okay with rape. I don't believe it.
I think this line of conversation should probably be in RSP.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 02:43:04 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.

Well, then it's a good thing that I really do.

Source: http://www.vawnet.org/applied-research-papers/print-document.php?doc_id=1586
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 02:44:28 pm
People from first-world country cultures don't commit rape because they generally think rape is okay, they do it mostly because they're drunk.

I really don't know about that.

I don't know anybody who thinks rape is okay. If people did think it's fine and dandy, why is there a law against it, and why is everyone so opposed to rape as a concept? I never see any rape advocates.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Chris is me on April 13, 2016, 02:46:39 pm
Yeah sorry about the tangent. I'd prefer just dropping the topic to making an RSP thread about it though.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 02:55:01 pm
Yeah sorry about the tangent. I'd prefer just dropping the topic to making an RSP thread about it though.

I thought you said dropping the mic for a second.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 13, 2016, 03:05:23 pm
There's a college-age female on the train reading a beat up copy of Pride and Prejudice.  Is there possibly a more clichéd image in all the world?

A middle-aged slightly-overweight dude in a football jersey, beer in one hand, remote in the other, watching football.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 03:08:21 pm
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15166.0

People who wish to drop the topic can feel free to do so.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 13, 2016, 03:09:12 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

An idiot American trying to get a rise out of the guards at Buckingham Palace.

A frat bro with a beer bong.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 13, 2016, 03:29:14 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia?

edit: Oh, Cards Against Humanity.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: singletee on April 13, 2016, 03:29:55 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia?

Cosine Adjacent Hypotenuse.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 13, 2016, 03:33:43 pm
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I don't myself, but two of my flatmates speak each of them as first or second languages. May they be of help?

I appreciate it. They've decided to go with a professional service, which is for the best. That way, someone can be held accountable if there's a bad translation.

Though now I'm just curious. We were jacking around with various translations listed on this page: https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Regulations-and-Guidance/Downloads/Appendix-B-Sample-Translated-Taglines.pdf

We can copy the text from the PDF and paste it into Word. Aside from the RTL/LTR flow, it looks like some of the words are "elongated(?)". It's like a large space was inserted between two characters. I wonder if that actually changes the meaning. I suppose it could be a font change, like italicizing a word in English changes the look more than the meaning (though Christine does mean something different from Christine).

So if your flatmates have any insight into this, I'm curious.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on April 13, 2016, 04:52:41 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

I thought you meant Cyanide and Happiness, and didn't understand the hate (although I'll admit it's very hit-and-miss).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 13, 2016, 04:57:08 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

I thought you meant Cyanide and Happiness, and didn't understand the hate (although I'll admit it's very hit-and-miss).

There are also teenagers who think Cyanide and Happiness is edgy and original.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 13, 2016, 05:57:00 pm
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I don't myself, but two of my flatmates speak each of them as first or second languages. May they be of help?

I appreciate it. They've decided to go with a professional service, which is for the best. That way, someone can be held accountable if there's a bad translation.

Though now I'm just curious. We were jacking around with various translations listed on this page: https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Regulations-and-Guidance/Downloads/Appendix-B-Sample-Translated-Taglines.pdf

We can copy the text from the PDF and paste it into Word. Aside from the RTL/LTR flow, it looks like some of the words are "elongated(?)". It's like a large space was inserted between two characters. I wonder if that actually changes the meaning. I suppose it could be a font change, like italicizing a word in English changes the look more than the meaning (though Christine does mean something different from Christine).

So if your flatmates have any insight into this, I'm curious.
Copying the text into Libre Write didn't produce any of the large spaces you describe. Anyway, my flatmate reports that the Arabic part is well written and doesn't change with copypasting.
I'll ask the Iranian guy as soon as he comes home, but no white spaces here either.

As a totally unsolicited criticism, I would amend the Italian translation to:
Quote
General Tagline:
Se tu o qualcuno che stai aiutando avete domande su [insert SBM program name], hai avete il diritto di ottenere aiuto e informazioni nella tua vostra lingua gratuitamente. Per parlare con un interprete, puoi potete chiamare [insert number here].
Tagline for Notices:
Questo avviso contiene informazioni importanti sulla tua domanda o copertura attraverso [insert SBM program name].
Cerca le date chiave in questo avviso. Potrebbe essere necessario un tuo intervento entro una scadenza determinata per consentirti di mantenere la tua copertura sanitaria o sovvenzione. Hai il diritto di ottenere queste informazioni e assistenza nella tua lingua gratuitamente. Chiama [insert number here].

It's not bad, but not extremely clear either. I had to check the Norwegian, Arabic, and Spanish ones to understand that we were talking about a health insurance. (may or may not be a problem, is fixed by "sanitaria" above - the other fix is a matter of grammar, but the original conveyed the meaning just fine).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 13, 2016, 08:36:02 pm
A group of teenagers at a convention who think CAH is edgy and original.

I thought you meant Cyanide and Happiness, and didn't understand the hate (although I'll admit it's very hit-and-miss).

Very, very hit-and-miss.  I suspect their new CAH clone will be about as interesting a game as CAH, i.e., I'd prefer to be stabbed in the balls than play it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on April 13, 2016, 08:52:42 pm
Very, very hit-and-miss.  I suspect their new CAH clone will be about as interesting a game as CAH, i.e., I'd prefer to be stabbed in the balls than play it.
Until there's a bracket comparing the options though, it's hard to say for sure.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 14, 2016, 12:05:08 am
Star Wars Movie Bracket

[1] The Empire Strikes Back
[8] Star Wars Holiday Special

[2] A New Hope
[7] Attack of The Clones

[3] The Force Awakens
[6] The Phantom Menace

[4] Return of The Jedi
[5] Revenge of The Sith
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 14, 2016, 12:07:51 am
8 7 6 5
I think you seeded this incorrectly.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on April 14, 2016, 02:13:49 am
Browsing random articles on the wiki, I learned that the Spanish for a female explorer is Exploradora. And considering that Dora the Explorer speaks Spanish ... *mind blown*

Also amusingly, the Italian name for Explorer is Avventuriero, because they used Esploratore for Adventurer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 14, 2016, 03:10:13 am
I'm already bothered by what will the the results

1 7 3 5
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on April 14, 2016, 08:50:48 am
Star Wars Movie Bracket

[1] The Empire Strikes Back
[8] Star Wars Holiday Special

[2] A New Hope
[7] Attack of The Clones

[3] The Force Awakens
[6] The Phantom Menace

[4] Return of The Jedi
[5] Revenge of The Sith
1 2 3 4
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 14, 2016, 08:54:39 am
I'll vote for 3 because of Videocopilot Saber. I don't have a particular preference regarding the others because I'm not aware if any of the plugins I use were inspired by them.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on April 14, 2016, 09:19:57 am
1234

Really the only matchup that has any suspense in TFA vs ROJ.

Which shouldn't even happen actually, normally your bracket should not have 1 meet 2 before the finals.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 14, 2016, 09:25:37 am
I'm also going with 1234. I paused a little bit when comparing Jedi to Sith. Jedi was a decent movie, but it had silliness abound (Ewoks, Tarzan yell, two(!) burp jokes). Still, it was better done than Sith, though I might concede that it barely does that. Sith could have done a better job of setting up the story, but it wasn't terrible.

Poor Christmas special.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 14, 2016, 09:52:16 am
[1] The Empire Strikes Back
[8] Star Wars Holiday Special

[2] A New Hope
[7] Attack of The Clones

[3] The Force Awakens
[6] The Phantom Menace

[4] Return of The Jedi
[5] Revenge of The Sith


That's an unfortunate lineup.  Attack of the Clones ranked too low; Jedi vs. Sith is tough; Jedi has flaws, but the final fight scene between Luke and Vader is awesome, and far overshadows the lava prancing that Anakin and Obi-Wan do.  I don't know; I could go either way.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Polk5440 on April 14, 2016, 10:23:35 am
Probably a long shot, but does anyone here read Arabic or Persian-Farsi fluently?

I don't myself, but two of my flatmates speak each of them as first or second languages. May they be of help?

Now that you mention it, I have a similar request. I have a one-page hand written letter (really, about three sentences) that I would like translated out of curiosity. I think it's Arabic. I'll PM it to you if you think they are up for it.



Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on April 14, 2016, 10:44:51 am
Unrelated: I just added myself to the members map! Had no idea that was a thing.  Saddeningly few Brits, but ah well. Technically I'm just as much a New Zealander as a British anyway.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 14, 2016, 11:52:38 am
Browsing random articles on the wiki, I learned that the Spanish for a female explorer is Exploradora. And considering that Dora the Explorer speaks Spanish ... *mind blown*

Also amusingly, the Italian name for Explorer is Avventuriero, because they used Esploratore for Adventurer.

The word "exploradora" actually appears in her theme song.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 14, 2016, 12:25:22 pm
I suspect their new CAH clone will be about as interesting a game as CAH, i.e., I'd prefer to be stabbed in the balls than play it.

Forgive me for asking, but have you actually played Cards Against Humanity? I mean probably you have; the reason I ask is that my first exposure to the game was trying to play a different game near a rowdy group of CAH players, and holy crap was that annoying. But then after actually playing it myself I found that enjoy it a lot. With the right group, obviously. Some of the cards are really lowbrow, which I don't personally find amusing, but enough of the cards/combinations are funny to make up for it. It blows Apples to Apples out of the water, for better or worse.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 14, 2016, 12:33:43 pm
I suspect their new CAH clone will be about as interesting a game as CAH, i.e., I'd prefer to be stabbed in the balls than play it.

Forgive me for asking, but have you actually played Cards Against Humanity? I mean probably you have; the reason I ask is that my first exposure to the game was trying to play a different game near a rowdy group of CAH players, and holy crap was that annoying. But then after actually playing it myself I found that enjoy it a lot. With the right group, obviously. Some of the cards are really lowbrow, which I don't personally find amusing, but enough of the cards/combinations are funny to make up for it. It blows Apples to Apples out of the water, for better or worse.

I've had much better experience with Apples to Apples.  It depends a lot on the group.  I played Cards Against Humanity with a group of people that laughed at all the stupid unfunny stuff and didn't find any of the funny things funny.  During my turn, I kept having to choose from a collection of stupid unapplicable choices that were primary there because they had some kind of 'dirty word' in them.  I got bored really easily.

I've always had more fun with Apples to Apples.  It feels like you can be more creative there.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 14, 2016, 12:36:06 pm
Apples to Apples is just way better, at least to me, for the reasons Witherweaver said. I like clever things, and "She said poop" isn't all that funny to me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 14, 2016, 01:03:57 pm
I've had much better experience with Apples to Apples.  It depends a lot on the group.

Truth. It does depend on the group and what their level of humor is at. I find myself passing on playing CAH and A2A because I didn't want to deal with the group. If it's a witty group, then I'm on board.

I like the structure of CAH where you are filling in blanks for sentences. With A2A, it's mostly word association. That can be funny (I was rather pleased with playing Joan of Arc for Sultry, though the judge didn't get it *shrug*). I like to try to be clever in my card choice. For that reason, I actually cheer at Pick 2 or Pick 3 in CAH. It allows me to get rid of those boring cards when they're paired up with other boring cards.

And the boring cards are what make CAH worse. Some cards are simply more excitable than others. Hell, you can read off some of the cards without any context and be guaranteed a snort from someone. A2A doesn't really have that. All cards are homogenously boring. So for that reason, A2A requires greater thought when hooking up a noun with an adjective. Meanwhile, in CAH, if the judge is the type to start busting out laughing at unicorn-humping, then your carefully chosen card probably won't get picked because unicorn-humping.

I like CAH, but I only like it with the right group. Otherwise, I tolerate it. It's fun, but I'm all for ending the game early.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 14, 2016, 01:10:36 pm
I've had much better experience with Apples to Apples.  It depends a lot on the group.

Truth. It does depend on the group and what their level of humor is at. I find myself passing on playing CAH and A2A because I didn't want to deal with the group. If it's a witty group, then I'm on board.

I like the structure of CAH where you are filling in blanks for sentences. With A2A, it's mostly word association. That can be funny (I was rather pleased with playing Joan of Arc for Sultry, though the judge didn't get it *shrug*). I like to try to be clever in my card choice. For that reason, I actually cheer at Pick 2 or Pick 3 in CAH. It allows me to get rid of those boring cards when they're paired up with other boring cards.

And the boring cards are what make CAH worse. Some cards are simply more excitable than others. Hell, you can read off some of the cards without any context and be guaranteed a snort from someone. A2A doesn't really have that. All cards are homogenously boring. So for that reason, A2A requires greater thought when hooking up a noun with an adjective. Meanwhile, in CAH, if the judge is the type to start busting out laughing at unicorn-humping, then your carefully chosen card probably won't get picked because unicorn-humping.

I like CAH, but I only like it with the right group. Otherwise, I tolerate it. It's fun, but I'm all for ending the game early.

Agree.  I think this is what makes Apples to Apples a better game; the player actually provides the humor and content.  Cards Against Humanity wants to be that, but it's actually worse equipped to do so.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: J Reggie on April 14, 2016, 01:18:15 pm
I get bored really fast with the pick-a-card-to-associate-with-another-card-and-the-best-one-wins games. Sometimes, I use alternate playing methods, such as drawing from the discarded cards. One time, I played "Martha Stewart" in A2A 10 times in a row before anyone noticed. I still have that card in my wallet,  behind my ID. Some people might get mad at this, but we all ended up laughing in the end, as far as I remember.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: jsh357 on April 14, 2016, 01:23:37 pm
When people want to play those games I suggest instead a categories game we sort of invented (I'm sure it already exists). We go around in a circle. When it is your turn, you name a category like "dankest f.ds meme," and everyone else writes their response on a slip of paper. The category namer then shuffles the responses and reads them aloud (lots of laughs, usually) and you go around the circle guessing who wrote each response. We haven't played with scoring, but it's easy enough. It's a way more entertaining game than a2a or cah and requires fewer materials.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 14, 2016, 01:46:14 pm
CAH is a great game, but the original decks tend to be super boring on their own. As long as you combine them with someone's (good) custom made deck which is relevant to everyone's interests, it's super good.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 16, 2016, 06:37:08 pm
Browsing random articles on the wiki, I learned that the Spanish for a female explorer is Exploradora. And considering that Dora the Explorer speaks Spanish ... *mind blown*

Also amusingly, the Italian name for Explorer is Avventuriero, because they used Esploratore for Adventurer.

Yeah, that one bothers me a lot. You all complain about mine, the Germans about Bakeress, but believe me, that's nothing.  :P ;D
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 17, 2016, 11:11:02 am
Happy Birthday to me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 17, 2016, 11:31:41 am
Happy Birthday to me.

To you too!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 17, 2016, 12:09:04 pm
Happy Birthday to me.

Happy birthday! Also, cool cake in the profile.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 17, 2016, 02:13:32 pm
Happy Birthday to me.

Happy birthday! Also, cool cake in the profile.

It's not a real cake. It's virtual. You could even say that the cake is a lie.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 18, 2016, 04:04:28 pm
This country's fate lies in the balance. On the 23rd of June the peoples of Britain will gather to decide the fate of the UK in Europe. At this crucial time I beg my friends and acquaintances to vote in the only logical direction.
The way this issue is classically presented is as a binary: Brexit or Bremain. I'd like to suggest this as wrong. Consider the following position: Brinvade.

Yes, kinsfolk, that's right, I said it. I believe it is time that Britain reclaims its sovereignty, and everyone else's. After all, we're both stronger together and need to be the captains of our own destiny. Therefore, it is clear that the only way to reconcile these differences is to march our emperor, Julius Cameron, all the way to Brussels and to sit him upon the throne, iron or otherwise.

The EU parliament is corrupt? Yes, and that is why we shall put an emperor in charge who's known for his benevolence and integrity.

Britain won't have the bargaining power? It will if we control all of Europe.

So, friends, I beseech you, join me on the 23rd as we storm the beaches of Normandy as liberators of the European peoples from the clawing talons of the EU-minati.

(Disclaimer: I stole this from a friends FB wall, and don't know if he stole it from elsewhere.)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 18, 2016, 04:08:37 pm
I live in America, but it looks like it'd be shit to be in the EU.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on April 18, 2016, 04:09:58 pm
So, friends, I beseech you, join me on the 23rd as we storm the beaches of Normandy as liberators of the European peoples from the clawing talons of the EU-minati.

There is an HBO plot-line in there somewhere... Mash-up of House of Cards and Game of Thrones and Downton Abbey.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 18, 2016, 04:58:35 pm
I live in America, but it looks like it'd be shit to be in the EU.

Well, I can only say that the feeling is reciprocal  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Joseph2302 on April 18, 2016, 05:34:28 pm
I live in America, but it looks like it'd be shit to be in the EU.

Well, I can only say that the feeling is reciprocal  ;D ;)
The EU is shit, but being out of it is probably even shitter.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2016, 05:53:17 pm
This country's fate lies in the balance. On the 23rd of June the peoples of Britain will gather to decide the fate of the UK in Europe. At this crucial time I beg my friends and acquaintances to vote in the only logical direction.
The way this issue is classically presented is as a binary: Brexit or Bremain. I'd like to suggest this as wrong. Consider the following position: Brinvade.

Yes, kinsfolk, that's right, I said it. I believe it is time that Britain reclaims its sovereignty, and everyone else's. After all, we're both stronger together and need to be the captains of our own destiny. Therefore, it is clear that the only way to reconcile these differences is to march our emperor, Julius Cameron, all the way to Brussels and to sit him upon the throne, iron or otherwise.

The EU parliament is corrupt? Yes, and that is why we shall put an emperor in charge who's known for his benevolence and integrity.

Britain won't have the bargaining power? It will if we control all of Europe.

So, friends, I beseech you, join me on the 23rd as we storm the beaches of Normandy as liberators of the European peoples from the clawing talons of the EU-minati.

(Disclaimer: I stole this from a friends FB wall, and don't know if he stole it from elsewhere.)

This is about Eurovision, right? ;)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 18, 2016, 11:48:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

What does everyone think about Rogue One's teaser trailer?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on April 19, 2016, 12:00:34 am
I like it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on April 19, 2016, 03:39:57 am
I still don't understand why anyone watches trailers.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 19, 2016, 08:08:14 am
I still don't understand why anyone watches trailers.

I enjoy watching trailers, but if it's for a movie I already want to see, I won't go out of my way to watch the trailer. For example, I haven't seen the Rogue One trailer. There is a 95% chance I'm going to watch it, so why spoil anything? From what I hear, a woman is being cast as not-a-sidekick so there's an uproar from a group that no one likes.

Trailers do serve a good purpose of alerting me to an upcoming movie that I may not have known about. I don't say, "Oh, that's going to be soooo good," because trailers are usually not an accurate representation of the movie. I'll say that it looks promising.

One benefit of trailers is that if the trailer looks dumb to me, then the movie will suck. But that's not always been the case. I passed over Fight Club because the trailers looked like some stupid Van Damme clone. Man, how wrong I was!

And even a dumb trailer can still have just enough cleverness that it could go either way. I was wary of Guardians of the Galaxy, but it had just enough self-awareness of its own camp that it kept my interest. I figured it was going to be incredibly bad or remarkably good. I'm glad it was the former latter.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2016, 08:22:55 am
I figured it was going to be incredibly bad or remarkably good. I'm glad it was the former.

You are glad it was incredibly bad?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 19, 2016, 08:25:25 am
I watch trailers of movies that I already know I'm going to watch either way and movies that I have already seen, mostly because I'm a big enough fan of the movie that I want to see all of the material that's available. When I'm a huge fan of something, I watch every trailer multiple times. I don't watch trailers of movies that I don't think I'll ever watch, which is why I haven't seen the trailer of that new Star Wars movie. Very rarely I might watch a trailer to decide whether or not I actually want to watch a movie that I'm already tentatively interested in.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on April 19, 2016, 08:31:37 am
I still don't understand why anyone watches trailers.

I enjoy watching trailers, but if it's for a movie I already want to see, I won't go out of my way to watch the trailer. For example, I haven't seen the Rogue One trailer. There is a 95% chance I'm going to watch it, so why spoil anything? From what I hear, a woman is being cast as not-a-sidekick so there's an uproar from a group that no one likes.

Trailers do serve a good purpose of alerting me to an upcoming movie that I may not have known about. I don't say, "Oh, that's going to be soooo good," because trailers are usually not an accurate representation of the movie. I'll say that it looks promising.

One benefit of trailers is that if the trailer looks dumb to me, then the movie will suck. But that's not always been the case. I passed over Fight Club because the trailers looked like some stupid Van Damme clone. Man, how wrong I was!

And even a dumb trailer can still have just enough cleverness that it could go either way. I was wary of Guardians of the Galaxy, but it had just enough self-awareness of its own camp that it kept my interest. I figured it was going to be incredibly bad or remarkably good. I'm glad it was the former.


Right. The quality of a trailer has very little to do with the quality of the movie, right ? That's what I think you're saying ?

So why watch them ? All they do is
a) spoil you. Even if not on the plot, on the visuals, on jokes, on specific lines, specific shots etc.
b) set up false expectations. Not only with regards to quality, but also tone : for example Crimson Peak apparently had a trailer selling it as straight horror when it's more gothic romance with bits of horror.
c) Potentially make you miss films you might enjoy because the trailer was awful

You know who makes trailers ? It's not filmmakers, that's for sure. So why would it be indicative of anything ?

I guess the "alerting you to films you might not have heard of" is a decent upside, but I rely on critics for that (specific critics, not Rotten Tomatoes).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 19, 2016, 08:51:15 am
So why watch them ? All they do is
a) spoil you. Even if not on the plot, on the visuals, on jokes, on specific lines, specific shots etc.
b) set up false expectations. Not only with regards to quality, but also tone : for example Crimson Peak apparently had a trailer selling it as straight horror when it's more gothic romance with bits of horror.
c) Potentially make you miss films you might enjoy because the trailer was awful

a) is a great reason to watch trailers, because you'll enjoy the movie more the more familiar you are with it when you see it.
b) is also a great reason to watch trailers, because sometimes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA) it's done on purpose to a great effect.
c) is not a problem if you don't watch trailers of films you haven't decided to watch yet.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 19, 2016, 08:59:23 am
I still don't understand why anyone watches trailers.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fV7xZPk6aeiUU/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 19, 2016, 09:35:00 am
I figured it was going to be incredibly bad or remarkably good. I'm glad it was the former latter.

You are glad it was incredibly bad?

Goddammit, brain, you had one job.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 19, 2016, 09:48:15 am
Right. The quality of a trailer has very little to do with the quality of the movie, right ? That's what I think you're saying ?
 

Not exactly. It's true in some cases (re: Fight Club again). In general, I think that the quality of trailers is going to equal or exceed the quality of the movie. So if it's a really shitty trailer (Paul Blart), then I know to give the movie a pass.

Since the purpose of the trailer is to be good enough to get people into theatres, I have to be careful if a trailer looks really good. It might be for a turd.

I would say that trailers are unnecessary, but that's not really true. It's more accurate to say that I'm not the audience for trailers. The hoi polloi are likely to eat up trailers and base their movie-going experience [citation needed]. So the marketing arm puts so much effort into the trailers to grab those people. Regardless of the trailer, I'll browse the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes to see if it is a movie that'll appeal to me. It works pretty well, though it's disappointed a few times (goddammit, Furious 7). So I'll enjoy watching trailers, but they aren't necessary for me.

And yeah, Crimson Peak was just a mess of a movie anyway. I can't blame marketing for doing that with the trailer, because the movie didn't know which way to go. When presented with elements of gothic horror and Victorian suspense, marketing is going to go with horror because that'll get more butts in seats.

Trailers also did a hatchet job to Terminator 2. I remember when that movie came out, all the buzz was about how Arnold is the good guy this time. That's too bad, because the movie was filmed with the right level of suspense. Arnold did not present himself as the good guy until the fight in the mall. In fact, if the filmmakers didn't show the T-1000 murdering people, they really could have lulled us into one mindset and then skullfucked our perception of who's good and who's bad. But marketing was apparently afraid that a mere sequel wouldn't be enough to draw in people (they're not wrong), so they hyped up the Arnold factor. And this was before the WWW, so word of mouth was more limited.

I think the best trailer was for the Matrix. When that movie came out, I didn't know what to expect. They were really tight-lipped about what the Matrix was about. But it generated enough excitement to get people to go see it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 19, 2016, 09:54:40 am
Right. The quality of a trailer has very little to do with the quality of the movie, right ? That's what I think you're saying ?
 

Not exactly. It's true in some cases (re: Fight Club again). In general, I think that the quality of trailers is going to equal or exceed the quality of the movie.

I have not had similar experiences. Lucky # Slevin, for example, had a trailer that played it up as a generic hitman movie; the trailer for Being John Malkovich that I've seen played it up as a generic Comedy. I wouldn't have watched either one based on the trailer, and they're two of my favorite movies. Just two examples. I'd say the quality of a trailer has next to nothing to do with the quality of the film.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 19, 2016, 09:59:25 am
Trailers tend to give you an idea of the general mood and feel of a movie.  You have to accept conclusions may be inaccurate.  Sometimes marketing campaigns misappropraite plots and premises (anyone remember the trailers for The Fellowship of the Ring that seemed to promote Arwen as a huge (if not the main) part of the story?  (Something like 'one woman's courage...' showign scenes of her rushing Frodo to Rivendell for treatment of the wound from Weathertop.)

Anyway, what I get from trailers is more than a feel.  Rogue One looks promising. 

Plus, sometimes you learn about things you wouldn't have heard of before.  I hadn't ever heard of David Foster Wallace before seeing The End of the Tour trailer, and it made me want to see the movie and look into the story.  In other news, I just saw The End of the Tour, and it was really good.  Makes me want to read Wallace's books.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 19, 2016, 05:34:49 pm
Someone just gave me a +1 and then removed it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Darth Vader on April 19, 2016, 06:58:02 pm
Someone just gave me a +1 and then removed it.

They say I'm pretty evil.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: KingZog3 on April 20, 2016, 12:39:21 am
Someone just gave me a +1 and then removed it.

I think this comment has +40 respect, but everyone took them away.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on April 20, 2016, 12:03:08 pm
Trailers tend to give you an idea of the general mood and feel of a movie.  You have to accept conclusions may be inaccurate.  Sometimes marketing campaigns misappropraite plots and premises (anyone remember the trailers for The Fellowship of the Ring that seemed to promote Arwen as a huge (if not the main) part of the story?  (Something like 'one woman's courage...' showign scenes of her rushing Frodo to Rivendell for treatment of the wound from Weathertop.)

Anyway, what I get from trailers is more than a feel.  Rogue One looks promising. 

Plus, sometimes you learn about things you wouldn't have heard of before.  I hadn't ever heard of David Foster Wallace before seeing The End of the Tour trailer, and it made me want to see the movie and look into the story.  In other news, I just saw The End of the Tour, and it was really good.  Makes me want to read Wallace's books.

There was a point where I was legit using Infinite Jest as a doorstop.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 20, 2016, 06:01:11 pm
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 21, 2016, 05:35:40 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/ce585c6048f4d2e7497741da30b7e66b/tumblr_o5zebeQbo11qaqpoho1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 21, 2016, 05:44:59 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/ce585c6048f4d2e7497741da30b7e66b/tumblr_o5zebeQbo11qaqpoho1_500.jpg)

That's not Godwin's Law!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 21, 2016, 05:46:59 pm
That's not Godwin's Law!

Part of the joke. ;)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 21, 2016, 05:47:54 pm
I thought that was intentional from Seprix. The ! gives it away, I believe.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 21, 2016, 05:49:35 pm
I thought that was intentional from Seprix

I guess I wasn't sarcastic enough. Maybe if I did more correcting to the extreme, but then there goes the brevity of the joke. I just can't win. :(
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 21, 2016, 05:57:31 pm
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 21, 2016, 06:23:45 pm
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad

Man, I totally agree! Have a upvote!

EDIT: Also, I must of read that totally wrong on my first try!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: liopoil on April 21, 2016, 08:33:57 pm
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad
I read your post like this and it still made sense and I agreed.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 21, 2016, 10:13:59 pm
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad

It's "could have", not "could of."

There could of course be exceptions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 21, 2016, 10:17:28 pm
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad

I can't read this for the life of me. I've tried periodically all day.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on April 21, 2016, 11:29:17 pm
That's something that drives me totally crazy too. It feels like non-native speakers are bothered by it more often than native speakers?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on April 22, 2016, 12:19:31 am
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad

I can't read this for the life of me. I've tried periodically all day.
It would probably help to have a little punctuation first:
Quote
GAAH. Every time I read an "of" instead of a "have" I get so mad.
So in other words, ss is getting annoyed that people are using the word "of" where the correct word is "have", presumably in phrases like "I could have done this" or "You should have done that". And I agree that as someone who tries to avoid grammatical errors it's annoying.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on April 22, 2016, 12:21:56 am
GAAH every time I read an of instead of a have I get so mad

I can't read this for the life of me. I've tried periodically all day.

Quote from: silverspawn
GAAH every time I read an "of" instead of a "have" I get so mad

This bothers me too, but not by a lot. My brain adjusts "could of" to "could've" fast enough for me to let it go.

PPE: I've been ninjaed...by the ConMan. Quick, someone write a film noir story.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 22, 2016, 01:05:15 pm
Quick, someone write a film noir story.

Yes sir.

Titandrake sat in his office, smoking in the dark, waiting. The soft glow of the cigarette illuminated the pistol on his cluttered desk. A sudden knock startles Titandrake.
"Come in," he mumbles. The door opens, letting in the light, temporarily blinding Tidandrake. He could barely make out the glowing figure, but surely it must be some hot femme fatale who would surely lead Titandrake to his doom. He was wrong.

A ninja stood at the door, a sword drawn. Titandrake rushed for his weapon, but it was already too late. The ninja cut down Titandrake.
"You thought I was some hot deadly woman," the ninja said. "You thought wrong. I am a con man, who is also a ninja." Titandrake was bleeding heavily, gasping on the floor.
"Y-you... ConMan!"
"You should of been prepared."
"...Should have..."
Enraged, the Con Man Ninja slays TitanDrake.

...And that is how Titandrake got ninja'd by a Con Man, film noir style.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 22, 2016, 01:21:31 pm
Still a better love story than Twilight.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 22, 2016, 01:24:34 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 22, 2016, 01:34:09 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 22, 2016, 01:36:18 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

sounds like a rightwing conspiracy to me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on April 22, 2016, 01:58:57 pm

Inconsistent verb tenses. 2/5.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 22, 2016, 02:03:42 pm

Inconsistent verb tenses. 2/5.

That was on purpose...
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 22, 2016, 02:09:58 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Hitler had the same problem.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 22, 2016, 02:20:07 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Then you're a poe judge of character.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on April 22, 2016, 02:36:16 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Then you're a poe judge of character.

Help! I need someone to explain the joke for me.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on April 22, 2016, 02:39:01 pm
Godwins Law actually states that in an online argument, the person who first compares their opposition to Hitler is indistinguishable from satire.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Then you're a poe judge of character.

Help! I need someone to explain the joke for me.

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nevermind_nathan_fillion.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 22, 2016, 02:56:43 pm
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nevermind_nathan_fillion.gif)

Don't post that! Ashersky will get mad you used anything from Nathan Fillion.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: LastFootnote on April 22, 2016, 03:29:32 pm
So in other words, ss is getting annoyed that people are using the word "of" where the correct word is "have", presumably in phrases like "I could have done this" or "You should have done that". And I agree that as someone who tries to avoid grammatical errors it's annoying.

Everybody knows it's "coulda" and "shoulda".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 22, 2016, 03:55:31 pm
So there's a website for Chief Learning Officer. It involves media. So naturally, it has a website called:
http://www.clomedia.com/

I nearly spat out my drink when I read that URL in my head.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2016, 04:35:26 pm
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nevermind_nathan_fillion.gif)

Don't post that! Ashersky will get mad you used anything from Nathan Fillion.

This is from that interview where Fillion is asked why anyone likes Firefly, and he had no answer, right?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 22, 2016, 04:52:19 pm
This is from that interview where Fillion is asked why anyone likes Firefly, and he had no answer, right?

I like Firefly because it was by far the best designed tank during WWII.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: singletee on April 22, 2016, 05:11:06 pm
So there's a website for Chief Learning Officer. It involves media. So naturally, it has a website called:
http://www.clomedia.com/

I nearly spat out my drink when I read that URL in my head.

See Ell Oh Media. Cloh Media. Cloh me, dear?

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on April 22, 2016, 05:31:23 pm
Chlamydia
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2016, 05:59:58 pm
So there's a website for Chief Learning Officer. It involves media. So naturally, it has a website called:
http://www.clomedia.com/

I nearly spat out my drink when I read that URL in my head.

See Ell Oh Media. Cloh Media. Cloh me, dear?

I don't get it.

That's for the best.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 22, 2016, 10:59:00 pm
Man, Boite a Jeux is a serious pain in the ass compared to BGA.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Haddock on April 23, 2016, 06:30:15 pm
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nevermind_nathan_fillion.gif)

Don't post that! Ashersky will get mad you used anything from Nathan Fillion.

This is from that interview where Fillion is asked why anyone likes Firefly, and he had no answer, right?
Pretty sure this is from Castle.
...and Firefly is awesome, shut your face.   : P
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ConMan on April 25, 2016, 07:45:36 pm
Quick, someone write a film noir story.

Yes sir.

Titandrake sat in his office, smoking in the dark, waiting. The soft glow of the cigarette illuminated the pistol on his cluttered desk. A sudden knock startles Titandrake.
"Come in," he mumbles. The door opens, letting in the light, temporarily blinding Tidandrake. He could barely make out the glowing figure, but surely it must be some hot femme fatale who would surely lead Titandrake to his doom. He was wrong.

A ninja stood at the door, a sword drawn. Titandrake rushed for his weapon, but it was already too late. The ninja cut down Titandrake.
"You thought I was some hot deadly woman," the ninja said. "You thought wrong. I am a con man, who is also a ninja." Titandrake was bleeding heavily, gasping on the floor.
"Y-you... ConMan!"
"You should of been prepared."
"...Should have..."
Enraged, the Con Man Ninja slays TitanDrake.

...And that is how Titandrake got ninja'd by a Con Man, film noir style.
I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've appeared in a fic. I'm honoured.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: scott_pilgrim on April 26, 2016, 04:16:15 am
I just saw the headline "Parents of Boys Missing at Sea Battle Over iPhone Discovered on Boat", and I'm fascinated by how many ways you can interpret it.

When I first read it, I thought the boys were missing at a sea battle.  After rereading it, I decided battle was a verb.  Okay, so the parents are battling.  They're battling over iPhone...does that mean they're having a battle via iPhone, or they're battling to decide the ownership of the iPhone?  And who/what was discovered on the boat?  Was it the iPhone, the boys, or the parents?  Or was it the sea battle?

Parents of (boys missing at sea) battle over (iPhone discovered on boat)
Parents of (boys missing at sea) battle over iPhone, and then are discovered on boat
Parents of (boys missing at "sea battle"), over iPhone, are discovered on boat
Parents of (boys missing at ("sea battle" over iPhone)) discovered on boat
Parents of (boys missing at ("sea battle" over (iPhone discovered on boat)))
Parents of (boys missing at ("sea battle" over iPhone) discovered on boat)
Parents of (boys missing at (("sea battle" over iPhone) discovered on boat))
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 26, 2016, 04:48:50 am
This was the most intuitive way to parse it to me:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea Battle) Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: ashersky on April 26, 2016, 06:23:20 am
This was the most intuitive way to parse it to me:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea Battle) Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)

I assume it is actually:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea) Battle Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)

Incredibly, the boat and iPhone must have been found, so the boys went overboard?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2016, 01:39:59 pm
This was the most intuitive way to parse it to me:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea Battle) Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)

I don't understand how this or the  "sea battle" interpretations make much sense.  Parsing it that way leaves the headline without a verb.  What is the meaning you guys are reading into that?

Edit: Should have read scott's more carefully since they add punctuation, but they all seem far more awkward constructions than the very first one which ashersky also highlighted.  I guess headlines are often awkward though.  Then again, I don't think they tend to omit important commas.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 26, 2016, 01:57:39 pm
This was the most intuitive way to parse it to me:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea Battle) Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)

I don't understand how this or the  "sea battle" interpretations make much sense.  Parsing it that way leaves the headline without a verb.  What is the meaning you guys are reading into that?

Edit: Should have read scott's more carefully since they add punctuation, but they all seem far more awkward constructions than the very first one which ashersky also highlighted.  I guess headlines are often awkward though.  Then again, I don't think they tend to omit important commas.

This is a "sea battle" interpretation. There are boys missing at sea battle. And then there's an iPhone discovered on boat. The article is (presumably a picture of) the parents of those boys (being) over that iPhone.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 26, 2016, 02:02:11 pm
The parents could be over a phone owned by boys lost in a sea battle.
The parents could be battling over a phone owned by boys lost at sea.
The boys could be lost at Sea Battle, the place.

That is really incredible headline. Like, why can't the parents share the darn phone anyways?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2016, 02:04:48 pm
This was the most intuitive way to parse it to me:

Parents of (Boys Missing at Sea Battle) Over (iPhone Discovered on Boat)

I don't understand how this or the  "sea battle" interpretations make much sense.  Parsing it that way leaves the headline without a verb.  What is the meaning you guys are reading into that?

Edit: Should have read scott's more carefully since they add punctuation, but they all seem far more awkward constructions than the very first one which ashersky also highlighted.  I guess headlines are often awkward though.  Then again, I don't think they tend to omit important commas.

This is a "sea battle" interpretation. There are boys missing at sea battle. And then there's an iPhone discovered on boat. The article is (presumably a picture of) the parents of those boys (being) over that iPhone.

That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 26, 2016, 02:07:22 pm
That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.

Aren't a lot of headlines just picture captions anyway?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2016, 02:11:16 pm
That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.

Aren't a lot of headlines just picture captions anyway?

Not from what I've read, but maybe it's a regional thing?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on April 26, 2016, 03:06:45 pm
That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.

Aren't a lot of headlines just picture captions anyway?

At the Onion, perhaps.  Or the NY Post.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 26, 2016, 03:16:20 pm
That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.

Aren't a lot of headlines just picture captions anyway?

Not from what I've read, but maybe it's a regional thing?

Headlines with no verbs in them (even going to great lengths to omit any verbs that totally should be there) are extremely commonplace in Finland, especially on the more sensational releases. Here's an example, translated as faithfully as I possibly could, from Ilta-Sanomat: "Prince no last will - an enormous inheritance dispute in the offing, a terrifying disappointment to sister".
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2016, 04:21:04 pm
That makes sense for a picture caption, sure, but not a headline.

Aren't a lot of headlines just picture captions anyway?

Not from what I've read, but maybe it's a regional thing?

Headlines with no verbs in them (even going to great lengths to omit any verbs that totally should be there) are extremely commonplace in Finland, especially on the more sensational releases. Here's an example, translated as faithfully as I possibly could, from Ilta-Sanomat: "Prince no last will - an enormous inheritance dispute in the offing, a terrifying disappointment to sister".

Thinking on it further, I think it's the mundanity of the event rather than the lack of a verb that makes me decide against it as a plausible interpretation.  I mean, "Oil Spill on BC Coast" would make sense as a headline to me.  But "People Near Phone" doesn't, even if you qualify it with why the people or the phone might be somewhat interesting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 26, 2016, 04:47:46 pm
Thinking on it further, I think it's the mundanity of the event rather than the lack of a verb that makes me decide against it as a plausible interpretation.  I mean, "Oil Spill on BC Coast" would make sense as a headline to me.  But "People Near Phone" doesn't, even if you qualify it with why the people or the phone might be somewhat interesting.

But then...


who was phone?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on April 26, 2016, 05:07:32 pm
Thinking on it further, I think it's the mundanity of the event rather than the lack of a verb that makes me decide against it as a plausible interpretation.  I mean, "Oil Spill on BC Coast" would make sense as a headline to me.  But "People Near Phone" doesn't, even if you qualify it with why the people or the phone might be somewhat interesting.

But then...


who was phone?

            moat       
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Donald X. on April 26, 2016, 06:48:39 pm
It's a garden path sentence. The horse raced past the barn fell.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Titandrake on April 26, 2016, 06:56:17 pm
I just realized what Infthitbox's avatar is. I've seen that GIF before, but it didn't click until now.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 26, 2016, 09:04:59 pm
My MF rating has gone from 4000 to 3500 in just two days, mostly due to the game constantly freezing mid-load. It's infuriating. I don't know where I'd be on the rating, but I can't get past 4000 because of these constant freezes, and it's been this way for months now. I probably shouldn't be caring about my rating as much as I do, but it ticks me off. It's a Mac computer only issue.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Accatitippi on April 27, 2016, 02:44:51 am
My MF rating has gone from 4000 to 3500 in just two days, mostly due to the game constantly freezing mid-load. It's infuriating. I don't know where I'd be on the rating, but I can't get past 4000 because of these constant freezes, and it's been this way for months now. I probably shouldn't be caring about my rating as much as I do, but it ticks me off. It's a Mac computer only issue.

I've had the same problems, but mostly because I've been playing awfully lately.
My windows client freezes quite often, but I've found that if I wait about 30'' it sometimes recovers, and usually my opponent is still there. :)

I suspect it might be related to my graphic driver/board.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 27, 2016, 08:14:52 am
My MF rating has gone from 4000 to 3500 in just two days, mostly due to the game constantly freezing mid-load. It's infuriating. I don't know where I'd be on the rating, but I can't get past 4000 because of these constant freezes, and it's been this way for months now. I probably shouldn't be caring about my rating as much as I do, but it ticks me off. It's a Mac computer only issue.

I've had the same problems, but mostly because I've been playing awfully lately.
My windows client freezes quite often, but I've found that if I wait about 30'' it sometimes recovers, and usually my opponent is still there. :)

I suspect it might be related to my graphic driver/board.

I have to win close to 80% of my matches because of the freezing, and I've been losing 50/50 the last couple of days due to careless play, (and playing Iguana Iguana in randoms... He was a god) and the freezing has also been hitting far more often than normal.

It's probably a graphics issue on your part, since it loads eventually. For me, it will never finish loading. It's a Unity bug, at least that's what the devs at MF say. Nothing they can do about it.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on April 27, 2016, 08:28:34 am
My MF rating has gone from 4000 to 3500 in just two days, mostly due to the game constantly freezing mid-load. It's infuriating. I don't know where I'd be on the rating, but I can't get past 4000 because of these constant freezes, and it's been this way for months now. I probably shouldn't be caring about my rating as much as I do, but it ticks me off. It's a Mac computer only issue.

I've had the same problems, but mostly because I've been playing awfully lately.
My windows client freezes quite often, but I've found that if I wait about 30'' it sometimes recovers, and usually my opponent is still there. :)

I suspect it might be related to my graphic driver/board.

I have to win close to 80% of my matches because of the freezing, and I've been losing 50/50 the last couple of days due to careless play, (and playing Iguana Iguana in randoms... He was a god) and the freezing has also been hitting far more often than normal.

It's probably a graphics issue on your part, since it loads eventually. For me, it will never finish loading. It's a Unity bug, at least that's what the devs at MF say. Nothing they can do about it.

Well, eventually your rating will get low enough that you will win close to 80% of your matches.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 27, 2016, 08:35:38 am
Well, eventually your rating will get low enough that you will win close to 80% of your matches.

Logically, but I'm sure my ceiling is a lot higher than 4000.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 27, 2016, 09:42:09 am
My MF rating has gone from 4000 to 3500

I too hate it when my motherfucking rating goes down.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on April 27, 2016, 10:05:43 am
careless play (and playing Iguana Iguana in randoms... He was a god)


You were just playing too fast.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 27, 2016, 10:13:31 am
careless play (and playing Iguana Iguana in randoms... He was a god)


You were just playing too fast.

I do that. :)

Man, I don't even want to play until this thing gets fixed. I win three games, and then it freezes, now I'm back to square one with my rating.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 29, 2016, 01:18:45 pm
I happened to discover shortcut keys on the Calculator program in Windows. It's not as thorough or intuitive as I would like, but at least I can type 4Y8 if I need to know four to the eighth power. And I often need to know 1/x, and R does that for me.

It does bug me that Shift+3 is the shortcut key for cubing a number, but Shift+2 is the shortcut key for finding the square root. WTF, Microsoft? Incidentally, squaring a number is Q, but they really should have swapped those two around.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on April 29, 2016, 01:27:04 pm
I happened to discover shortcut keys on the Calculator program in Windows. It's not as thorough or intuitive as I would like, but at least I can type 4Y8 if I need to know four to the eighth power. And I often need to know 1/x, and R does that for me.

It does bug me that Shift+3 is the shortcut key for cubing a number, but Shift+2 is the shortcut key for finding the square root. WTF, Microsoft? Incidentally, squaring a number is Q, but they really should have swapped those two around.

Sorry, I think you're posting in the wrong thread. Obviously this should be in the Dominion Online 2017 Features Thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15260.0).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 29, 2016, 02:32:20 pm
I happened to discover shortcut keys on the Calculator program in Windows. It's not as thorough or intuitive as I would like, but at least I can type 4Y8 if I need to know four to the eighth power. And I often need to know 1/x, and R does that for me.

It does bug me that Shift+3 is the shortcut key for cubing a number, but Shift+2 is the shortcut key for finding the square root. WTF, Microsoft? Incidentally, squaring a number is Q, but they really should have swapped those two around.

Sorry, I think you're posting in the wrong thread. Obviously this should be in the Dominion Online 2017 Features Thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15260.0).

I was becoming suspicious of the joke during that first page. Now I see what you're getting at.

Although IE9 is getting on my tits. When I download a file from a web page (which I do on a daily basis at work), I am asked in a box if I want to open or save it. In Windows notation, it's Open, but pressing O does not activate the hot key. Why would you underline the letter to indicate that it's a hot key when it's not a hot key? Why, Microsoft?  Whyyyyyyyy?!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: singletee on April 29, 2016, 03:18:16 pm
I happened to discover shortcut keys on the Calculator program in Windows. It's not as thorough or intuitive as I would like, but at least I can type 4Y8 if I need to know four to the eighth power. And I often need to know 1/x, and R does that for me.

It does bug me that Shift+3 is the shortcut key for cubing a number, but Shift+2 is the shortcut key for finding the square root. WTF, Microsoft? Incidentally, squaring a number is Q, but they really should have swapped those two around.

Sorry, I think you're posting in the wrong thread. Obviously this should be in the Dominion Online 2017 Features Thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15260.0).

I was becoming suspicious of the joke during that first page. Now I see what you're getting at.

Although IE9 is getting on my tits. When I download a file from a web page (which I do on a daily basis at work), I am asked in a box if I want to open or save it. In Windows notation, it's Open, but pressing O does not activate the hot key. Why would you underline the letter to indicate that it's a hot key when it's not a hot key? Why, Microsoft?  Whyyyyyyyy?!

I can tell you why the hot key wouldn't work, at least. Suppose you have a website with a game on it where you press O rapidly to shoot the zombies or whatever. Now it pops up the file save dialog while you are spamming the O key. Bam, you've just run a potentially malicious executable. As for why they would underline it, I don't know; perhaps it's an oversight.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Burning Skull on April 29, 2016, 03:46:54 pm
(http://petroart.ru/art/r/repin/img/76.jpg)

Ilia Repin, Refusal of the confession, 1885.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on April 29, 2016, 03:51:51 pm
I can tell you why the hot key wouldn't work, at least. Suppose you have a website with a game on it where you press O rapidly to shoot the zombies or whatever. Now it pops up the file save dialog while you are spamming the O key. Bam, you've just run a potentially malicious executable. As for why they would underline it, I don't know; perhaps it's an oversight.

I can understand the former part. It's the latter part that's so inexcusable. Don't tease me with your tarty underlines. I must know that your underscore will deliver when I come calling.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on April 29, 2016, 03:58:46 pm
I can tell you why the hot key wouldn't work, at least. Suppose you have a website with a game on it where you press O rapidly to shoot the zombies or whatever. Now it pops up the file save dialog while you are spamming the O key. Bam, you've just run a potentially malicious executable. As for why they would underline it, I don't know; perhaps it's an oversight.

I can understand the former part. It's the latter part that's so inexcusable. Don't tease me with your tarty underlines. I must know that your underscore will deliver when I come calling.

It is clearly underlined to warn you that opening the file could have hazardous and often undesirable consequences to your machine.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on April 29, 2016, 04:18:37 pm
I have watched one too many cringe videos. That video took me to the next level. I'm completely horrified now. It's not funny anymore.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on April 30, 2016, 10:32:10 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 30, 2016, 10:44:27 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on April 30, 2016, 10:45:10 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!

Oh yeah because I totally went out on the town and left her alone with my cat ...  8)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 30, 2016, 10:46:07 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!

Oh yeah because I totally went out on the town and left her alone with my cat ...  8)
Don't you live in Kansas?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on April 30, 2016, 10:47:23 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!

Oh yeah because I totally went out on the town and left her alone with my cat ...  8)
Don't you live in Kansas?

I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 30, 2016, 10:50:01 pm
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!

Oh yeah because I totally went out on the town and left her alone with my cat ...  8)
Don't you live in Kansas?

I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri
I can't speak for your wife, but if your cat is nice I'd be happy to stay home and mess with someone's computer.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 01, 2016, 04:50:57 am
I left my computer screen on while out of the house and came back to find my computer display had turned sideways. I'm pretty sure my cat walked across the keyboard while I was gone and ended up hitting CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow
Maybe it was your wife!

Why would his wife walk across the keyboard?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on May 02, 2016, 08:33:03 am
I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri

First, Chairs, and now there's Iguana who also lives in my city. I really should go out and meet these people.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 02, 2016, 09:59:32 am
I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri

First, Chairs, and now there's Iguana who also lives in my city. I really should go out and meet these people.

I thought First lived in Illinois.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on May 02, 2016, 10:14:44 am
I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri

First, Chairs, and now there's Iguana who also lives in my city. I really should go out and meet these people.

I thought First lived in Illinois.

I'm a little concerned about First's relationship with Hu, but it's really none of my business who's on top.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 02, 2016, 10:44:36 am
I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri

First, Chairs, and now there's Iguana who also lives in my city. I really should go out and meet these people.

Deadlock also lives here. We should do a dominion game night!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on May 02, 2016, 01:11:42 pm
I live here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Missouri

First, Chairs, and now there's Iguana who also lives in my city. I really should go out and meet these people.

Deadlock also lives here. We should do a dominion game night!

Neat!

I could meet at just about any game shop in KC. I live in downtown, so there are none near me. I suppose I may prefer TableTop the most, but there's not a gaming shop in KC I don't like.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on May 03, 2016, 07:21:40 am
googling, typing "everything you need to know about", google offers

cars
weed
deadpool
pregnancy
football
the music business
life
the division
vaping


Nice to know we got priorities.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: yuma on May 03, 2016, 09:14:35 am
googling, typing "everything you need to know about", google offers

cars
weed
deadpool
pregnancy
football
the music business
life
the division
vaping


Nice to know we got priorities.

Doesn't google now sort your searches at least partially based off the demographics of the user and the user's location? I think those might be your priorities.

Mine were:

Cars
Weed
Buying a home
Life
science
Excel
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 03, 2016, 10:01:51 am
Cars, weed, deadpool and pregnancy here, too.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on May 03, 2016, 10:18:25 am
Sure, I'll play. This is my work computer, so it doesn't fully reflect my browsing habits.

But it did come up with cars, the election, weed, and snapchat.

No idea where the last one came from. A lot of interest in weed around here. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: pacovf on May 03, 2016, 10:31:19 am
Star Wars
Planet Earth
Negative rates
deadpool
cars

Does Google own a car company?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Teproc on May 03, 2016, 10:40:28 am
planet earth
negative rates
appointing a supreme court justice
deadpool
twin flames
cars
pregnancy
weed
football
horses


Those are... interesting ? I didn't know I cared about the Supreme Court that much, and I'm not entirely sure what "twin flames" even means, so... (also, have never smoked weed or ridden a horse).
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 03, 2016, 11:23:21 am
Why does everyone need to know about weed?

Anyway...weed, cars, deadpool, football, biology
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kuildeous on May 03, 2016, 11:26:58 am
Why does everyone need to know about weed?

If you don't talk to Google users about weed, who will?
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on May 03, 2016, 12:05:10 pm
googling, typing "everything you need to know about", google offers

cars
weed
deadpool
pregnancy
football
the music business
life
the division
vaping


Nice to know we got priorities.

Doesn't google now sort your searches at least partially based off the demographics of the user and the user's location? I think those might be your priorities.

Mine were:

Cars
Weed
Buying a home
Life
science
Excel

I didn't know that, but that's interesting.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 03, 2016, 12:12:41 pm
I didn't know that, but that's interesting.

Not just your location and demographics, but also a lot of other stuff that it can access from your browser (and it can access a metric fuckton of it) and your Google account if you're logged in. I believe if you make a Google search in incognito mode, it should only be taking into account your location, and you can obviously use proxy IPs to see what it would look like from different areas.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on May 03, 2016, 12:37:00 pm
I get cars, college writing, weed, and deadpool.

Perhaps there were popular articles named "Everything You Need to Know About X", at least for cars, weed, and deadpool, which almost all of us seem to have found?

Edit:  I get the same results in a different browser in incognito mode.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Infthitbox on May 03, 2016, 12:45:24 pm
Edit:  I get the same results in a different browser in incognito mode.

Of course you do, your IP address didn't change.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 03, 2016, 01:47:54 pm
Edit:  I get the same results in a different browser in incognito mode.

Of course you do, your IP address didn't change.

It's not a given. I get cars, star wars, open innovation forbes and au pair in incognito mode from the same IP that I got cars, weed, deadpool and pregnancy earlier. Your browsing history and your Google account history (if you're logged in, or to a lesser extent if you have been logged in since the last time your browsing history was cleared) also affect the search results and suggestions.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on May 04, 2016, 10:32:06 am
Making Fun's next project?

https://twitter.com/stelian/status/720913927639560194
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on May 04, 2016, 11:29:11 am
Making Fun's next project?

https://twitter.com/stelian/status/720913927639560194

That is the best thing I've seen this week.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Awaclus on May 04, 2016, 12:12:17 pm
Man, these kinds of "alternative" news sites never fail to amaze me. Like, what the actual shit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/cern-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light-21-jan-2016-3283624.html

This data is from 2011. In 2012, it was proven to be faulty. In 2016, sites like the one linked above are copying and pasting the text from the original Telegraph article as though it was still relevant.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on May 04, 2016, 12:20:49 pm
Making Fun's next project?

https://twitter.com/stelian/status/720913927639560194

That is the best thing I've seen this week.

Oh, the responses are just brilliant.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on May 04, 2016, 12:58:30 pm
Man, these kinds of "alternative" news sites never fail to amaze me. Like, what the actual shit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/cern-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light-21-jan-2016-3283624.html

This data is from 2011. In 2012, it was proven to be faulty. In 2016, sites like the one linked above are copying and pasting the text from the original Telegraph article as though it was still relevant.

I'm not clicking on that link and giving them views, but damn, I love the irony in their name.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on May 04, 2016, 01:06:27 pm
Man, these kinds of "alternative" news sites never fail to amaze me. Like, what the actual shit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/cern-scientists-break-the-speed-of-light-21-jan-2016-3283624.html

This data is from 2011. In 2012, it was proven to be faulty. In 2016, sites like the one linked above are copying and pasting the text from the original Telegraph article as though it was still relevant.

I'm not clicking on that link and giving them views, but damn, I love the irony in their name.

Obviously, the 2011 data did prove fatser-than-light travel, but we haven't yet realized it.  In the future we will realize it, and use faster-than-light travel to send back information that validates the test.  Before it is news, indeed.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Tables on May 04, 2016, 01:14:03 pm
Oh, also everyone, the fourth of May be with you. Happy Star Trek day!
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Kirian on May 04, 2016, 10:48:00 pm
Oh, also everyone, the fourth of May be with you. Happy Star Trek day!

Live Long and Carry On.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on May 05, 2016, 08:06:43 am
Oh, also everyone, the fourth of May be with you. Happy Star Trek day!

(http://i.imgur.com/TKq0jqP.gif)
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: silverspawn on May 05, 2016, 08:28:47 am
That gif is amazing.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Witherweaver on May 05, 2016, 12:57:06 pm
So after getting extremely pissed off after not being able to login to my stupid health insurances website and it taking forever to change my password, I decided to catalogue my username and passwords for all the different work-related access sites in a single file, because that surely sounds safe.  This does not include the username and password used to log into my laptop itself (Windows) which is sometimes, and sometimes not, linked to a number of other programs on my computer (e.g., email), which is sometimes, and sometimes not, linked to a Microsoft Office online account.  The nature of the linking is not, as far as I know, deterministic.  I only know I dread the time of the year where we must change OS passwords, because I basically can't do anything.

So far my file looks like this.  Things that are not in parentheses are literal strings in the file.

(pay statement sytem), (username),  (reminder)
(health insurance site), (slightly different name with a random difference to make remembering it impossible), (reminder)
(investment site), (yet a slightly different username), who the fuck knows?
(time tracking site), (very similar, but not the same, username), who the fucdk knows why the fuck do we have so many god damn mother fucking sites with a million different logins and a million different passwords how in the loving fuck are we supposed to remember all of this god fucking damit mother fucker
(site for goals), some random permutation on the 100 different user names, no fucking clue
support portal, ????, ?????
support portal external, ???? differnet maybe ????, ?????
(internal software site for builds), could really be fucking anything, kill me now
FSA, I really don't know,

There are a few more sites that I haven't put in.

This is only for work-related sites and doesn't include stuff like, other emails, Facebook, bank, credit cards, loans, cable, amazon, google, websites like this, things like Dominion online, other online gaming stuff, transit card, various other websites that you need to create an account but you only ever log on three times a year, etc., etc., etc.
Title: Re: Random Stuff Part III
Post by: Seprix on May 05, 2016, 12:59:36 pm
So after getting extremely pissed off after note being able to login to my stupid health insurances website and it taking forever to change my password, I decided to catalogue my username and passwords for all the different work-related access sites in a single file, because that surely sounds safe.  This does not include the username and password used to log into my laptop itself (Windows) which is