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Title: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Town Wins!)
Post by: ashersky on November 13, 2015, 03:39:32 pm
Welcome to M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia by ashersky.

This game is for 13-players, and is classified as normal.  It was designed by ashersky as a closed setup.

Co-mod: gkrieg13

Sign ups are open.  Rules to come.


1. Witherweaver
2. yuma - The Incredible Hulk, the Random Vigilante - killed on Night 2
3. silverspawn - Sub-Mariner, the Vanilla Hero - killed on Night 1
4. Teproc - The Punisher, the Macho Cop - killed on Night 4
5. iguanaiguana - The Scarlet Witch, the Vanillaiser - lynched on Day 5
6. Hydrad - Mastermind, the Nexus - lynched on Day 6
7. Roadrunner7671 - Iron Man, the Vanilla Hero - lynched on Day 2
8. 2.7... - Captain America, the Vanilla Hero - killed on Night 5
9. faust - Quicksilver, the (Villain) Bus Driver - lynched on Day 4
10. Ampharos
11. EgorK - Dr. Strange, the Vanilla Hero - lynched on Day 3
12. Awaclus - Groot, the Active Tree Stump - lynched on Day 1
13. Haddock - Spider-Man, the Known Jailkeeper - killed on Night 3

Game State Tracker:
Day 1: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg545817#msg545817) || End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg549724#msg549724)
Day 2: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg550249#msg550249) || End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg553221#msg553221)
Day 3: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg553677#msg553677) || End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg555450#msg555450)
Day 4: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg555766#msg555766) || End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg556036#msg556036)
Day 5: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg556385#msg556385) || End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg556625#msg556625)
Day 6: Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg556937#msg556937)


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive.  With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  Ties are broken by coin flip.  With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last ten IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: ashersky on November 13, 2015, 03:39:37 pm
Public setup information:

Town is known as "the Heroes" in this game.  Town and Heroes are interchangeable in flavor, PMs, etc.  The inclusion or exclusion of either word is not indicative of alignment.

The Town win condition is:


Quote
You win when all threats to the Heroes are eliminated and at least one Hero is left alive.

Flavor matters.  Non-Heroes will receive adequate information to safely claim.  That said, no flavor knowledge is required to play this game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: ashersky on November 13, 2015, 03:39:54 pm
This game will not start until HP2 is adequately underway.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: yuma on November 13, 2015, 04:19:48 pm
Maybe in. Sticking to the only one game rule if I can.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 13, 2015, 04:20:49 pm
I wanna be a hero

/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 13, 2015, 04:24:58 pm
I'll think about it. But I don't want more games than I can handle!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: yuma on November 13, 2015, 04:27:16 pm
Maybe in. Sticking to the only one game rule if I can.

Actually... This an invented ash game right?

I think in then...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: silverspawn on November 14, 2015, 11:29:09 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Teproc on November 14, 2015, 12:17:39 pm
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: faust on November 14, 2015, 12:57:28 pm
/in

Kinda relieved to see you posting here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Teproc on November 14, 2015, 01:03:20 pm
/in

Kinda relieved to see you posting here.

I appreciate that. I don't live in Paris though, and thankfully everyone I know who does is fine.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 14, 2015, 06:29:08 pm
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Hydrad on November 15, 2015, 02:37:25 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 15, 2015, 09:01:10 pm
/in
Unless someone /outs because of me. But I am not going to assume you /outted because of me, please PM me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 15, 2015, 10:23:44 pm
/out
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 15, 2015, 10:23:53 pm
Just joking,

/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 15, 2015, 10:25:44 pm
/out
💔
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 17, 2015, 02:29:43 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: ashersky on November 18, 2015, 01:44:47 pm
5 more and this game can basically start.  We're at a good pace and space with other games right now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 18, 2015, 09:28:46 pm
/out
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 18, 2015, 09:53:07 pm
/out
Why are you abandoning Mafia?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 18, 2015, 09:54:29 pm
/out
Why are you abandoning Mafia?

It makes me angry at people and confused all day long. Its not good for me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 18, 2015, 09:55:26 pm
Man, that sucks.

Sorry if I'm one of those people, I can go out from one of the not yet started games if you want to play.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 18, 2015, 10:10:07 pm
5 more and this game can basically start.  We're at a good pace and space with other games right now.

yeah, this should happen.  Although we need 6 now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 19, 2015, 09:46:13 am
/out
Why are you abandoning Mafia?

It makes me angry at people and confused all day long. Its not good for me.

That just means it's working.

Though seriously, I suggest sticking with it.  I think I got more angry/frustrated in my earlier games than later.. I remember stressing a lot over my early games.  I still stress over games, but I understand the way it works a little more, and winning a game stressful game is cathartic.

Maybe stick to one game at a time. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: ashersky on November 19, 2015, 02:04:20 pm
/out
Why are you abandoning Mafia?

It makes me angry at people and confused all day long. Its not good for me.

I can honestly say I really want you to stay in the f.ds mafia fold.  I think you are a great addition so far and like your style.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: ashersky on November 23, 2015, 07:02:18 am
Come on folks -- let's get this started.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 23, 2015, 07:09:46 am
Come on folks -- let's get this started.
*Cough* Iguana *Cough*
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Haddock on November 23, 2015, 07:10:30 am
I'm not playing two games at once.  But if I get put out of JK++ for whatever reason, if this is still looking for players I'll join.  I hope you fill up long before then, though.

If it does go down that way, I guess I'll have to edit my sig since it's a quote from what would then be a distinct ongoing game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: faust on November 23, 2015, 07:12:11 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 23, 2015, 08:28:04 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Teproc on November 23, 2015, 08:43:27 am
This line-up is looking pretty great.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: faust on November 23, 2015, 11:58:38 am
/in

So you changed your mind? I'm glad :)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 23, 2015, 12:15:24 pm
/in

So you changed your mind? I'm glad :)

Ehh. Couldn't resist the chance to sheep you.

Besides, you guys all need someone to lynch D1 regardless of alignment

 ;D  >:(  ;D >:( ;D >:( 8) 8) 8) :'( 8)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 4 slots remaining)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 23, 2015, 12:17:06 pm
No, we all know why Iguanaiguana /inned.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 23, 2015, 12:17:25 pm
/in

So you changed your mind? I'm glad :)

Ehh. Couldn't resist the chance to sheep you.

Besides, you guys all need someone to lynch D1 regardless of alignment

 ;D  >:(  ;D >:( ;D >:( 8) 8) 8) :'( 8)

Such a scummy thing to say!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 23, 2015, 12:22:13 pm
/in

So you changed your mind? I'm glad :)

Ehh. Couldn't resist the chance to sheep you.

Besides, you guys all need someone to lynch D1 regardless of alignment

 ;D  >:(  ;D >:( ;D >:( 8) 8) 8) :'( 8)

Such a scummy thing to say!

It can't possibly be a scumtell. Here's why:

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 4 slots remaining)
Post by: Ampharos on November 24, 2015, 10:13:12 am
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 3 slots remaining)
Post by: ashersky on November 24, 2015, 11:25:24 am
Yet another game finished...time to get this going!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 3 slots remaining)
Post by: EgorK on November 24, 2015, 02:28:24 pm
Ok /in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 2 slots remaining)
Post by: ashersky on November 24, 2015, 03:09:42 pm
Woo hoo!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 2 slots remaining)
Post by: Awaclus on November 24, 2015, 08:30:35 pm
/in
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 2 slots remaining)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 24, 2015, 08:35:52 pm
Fakehammer!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 2 slots remaining)
Post by: scott_pilgrim on November 24, 2015, 10:41:08 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 25, 2015, 01:16:25 am
I will try to check the forum at least once per day while V/LA, but really only to confirm my PM when it gets sent out, since this game *should* fill while I am V/LA.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: ashersky on November 25, 2015, 05:05:41 am
Everything is rolled, PMs ready to go once that 13th slot is taken.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - 2 slots remaining)
Post by: ashersky on November 25, 2015, 06:13:17 am
/tag

When are you going to play again?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: Haddock on November 25, 2015, 07:49:38 am
Oh alright I'll hammer.

Ash, as mod you can decide whether you me to change my sig (given that it's taken from JK++).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: Haddock on November 25, 2015, 07:50:15 am
EBWOP: If you want me to change my sig.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 25, 2015, 08:09:25 am
quoting complete games is perfectly legal for sigs.  A lot of people do it.  Ongoing games are a different matter, which now that you mention it, should probably go away
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 25, 2015, 08:10:24 am
quoting complete games is perfectly legal for sigs.  A lot of people do it.  Ongoing games are a different matter, which now that you mention it, should probably go away

Until the game is complete
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Sign-ups Open - just one more!)
Post by: ashersky on November 25, 2015, 08:41:22 am
quoting complete games is perfectly legal for sigs.  A lot of people do it.  Ongoing games are a different matter, which now that you mention it, should probably go away

This correct.  PMs coming over the next hour!

Locked except for tags.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 26, 2015, 09:37:47 am
Oliver Queen sat on the living room sofa, glass of red wine in hand, staring thoughtfully into the crackling fire.  He could hear Thea moving around upstairs.

Having just said goodnight to Diggle, he wondered where Felicity might be this evening.  The cold weather had everyone bundled up, visiting family.  Oliver flexed a sore hand, looking at the bruising on the back, and resigned himself to being alone.

A whoosh fluttered the flames and scattered magazines around the room.  He knew without looking up who it was: Barry Allen.

"Hello Barry," Oliver said in his deadpan tone.

"Happy Thanksgiving, Ollie!" Barry flashed his grin, rubbing his hands together in front of the fire.

"Why are you here?"  Oliver was not in a mood for visitors, other than a specific one or two.

"Right.  Right to the point then.  We've got trouble in Central City, and I can't handle it on my own.  I need your help.  Plus, it'll be great teaming up again!"  Barry had turned to face Oliver, leaning slightly forward on his left foot, as he often did when talking seriously.

"It's Thanksgiving Barry.  What could possibly be so bad that The Flash can't handle it alone AND would have to take me away on a holiday?"

"It's not like you are busy, Ollie."  Oliver stared a moment before nodding in exasperated agreement.  "Anyway, it's a new metahuman...Cisco's calling him Crossover."

"And what can Crossover do?"

"We don't know how, but he's somehow melded two universes together than never should have met.  And how I have 13 'heroes' holed up in Star Labs and I can't tell who's actually good and who's really evil.  You've gotta help me Ollie."  Barry ran a hand along the back of his head.

Oliver looked back at his wine glass, then sighed.  "Fine.  Let's go."


Day 1 begins now!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 09:41:26 am
vote: silverspawn

I always wanted to self-vote in a serious game

now that I did it, vote: Egork
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 09:42:20 am
also, hi everyone!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 09:47:20 am
vote: silverspawn

I always wanted to self-vote in a serious game

now that I did it, vote: Egork

Vote: ss
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 09:48:52 am
vote: silverspawn

I always wanted to self-vote in a serious game

now that I did it, vote: Egork

Vote: ss

The only thing more scummy than self-voting is capitalizing on someone else's self voting.

Vote: Yuma

Happy thanksgiving!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 09:59:32 am
Vote: Everyone

I ain't afraid of you!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 10:00:23 am
vote: silverspawn

I always wanted to self-vote in a serious game

now that I did it, vote: Egork

Vote: ss

The only thing more scummy than self-voting is capitalizing on someone else's self voting.

Vote: Yuma

Happy thanksgiving!

vote: igu for finding self-voting more scummy than claiming scum
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:15:45 am
Hi everyone!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 10:27:49 am
vote: silverspawn

I always wanted to self-vote in a serious game

now that I did it, vote: Egork

Vote: ss

The only thing more scummy than self-voting is capitalizing on someone else's self voting.

Vote: Yuma

Happy thanksgiving!

vote: igu for finding self-voting more scummy than claiming scum

If someone wants to claim to be scum, I'll gladly vote for them instead!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:29:06 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 10:29:46 am
Vote: Silverspawn because it feels right.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 10:30:09 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?

It's scummy if you ask "Is it scummy..?"
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:33:05 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?

It's scummy if you ask "Is it scummy..?"
I don't that's scummy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 10:40:37 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?

It's scummy if you ask "Is it scummy..?"
I don't that's scummy.

It's about as scummy as forgetting verbs.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:43:33 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?

It's scummy if you ask "Is it scummy..?"
I don't that's scummy.

It's about as scummy as forgetting verbs.
So it is not a tell for your alignment?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 10:48:33 am
Is it scummy if you don't participate in the random voting stage?

It's scummy if you ask "Is it scummy..?"
I don't that's scummy.
It is though.

Except since you have shown to do it as town, it's not for you. but it would usually.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:50:05 am
Okay, thanks SS. Now, time to random vote!
Vote: Awaclus for being lurky.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:52:11 am
Unvote
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 10:53:21 am
Unvote

Unvoting is scummy!

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:54:41 am
Unvote

Unvoting is scummy!
Then vote for the scummiest person!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 10:55:30 am
Okay, thanks SS. Now, time to random vote!
Vote: Awaclus for being lurky.

Lurking on Thanksgiving is unacceptable!

Lol.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 26, 2015, 10:58:55 am
Vote Count 1.1:

iguanaiguana (1): silverspawn
silverspawn (2): yuma, WW
yuma (1): iguanaiguana

Not Voting (9): Teproc, Hydrad, RR, 2.7, faust, Ampharos, EgorK, Awaclus, Haddock

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:01:34 am
So I think I am going to claim.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:12:57 am
Okay, thanks SS. Now, time to random vote!
Vote: Awaclus for being lurky.

Lurking on Thanksgiving is unacceptable!

Lol.

Pretty sure Awaclus isn't American.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:13:17 am
So I think I am going to claim.

Thoughts?

Are you going to claim scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:16:56 am
Claiming at the start of day one?

Seems legit.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:20:41 am
So I think I am going to claim.

Thoughts?

Are you going to claim scum?

No. You silly goose!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:21:15 am
Yuma is obv dayvig!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:24:35 am
Yuma is obv dayvig!

dayvig: WW
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:25:18 am
Is dayvig a thing? I always get nervous when someone 'Dayvigs' someone else.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 26, 2015, 11:25:25 am
Thread not locked!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:25:58 am
Haha
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:26:14 am
Wait a Dayvig would cause the thread to lock?

I thought the person would just die and we'd keep going!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:27:59 am
The thread would lock while the action is resolved; flip, etc.  Then it would unlock.  (Unless for some reason the death caused Night phase to start, but that isn't standard.)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:28:08 am
Thread not locked!

dangit!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:30:57 am
So I think I am going to claim.

Thoughts?

I'm theoretically in favor, anything that jumpstarts the game seems good to me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:33:06 am
I will claim with Yuma.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 11:35:38 am
I will claim with Yuma.

er, don't. claiming early is only a good idea if you have a specific reason for i.t
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:36:07 am
I will claim with Yuma.

er, don't. claiming early is only a good idea if you have a specific reason for i.t
I claim Iron Man
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 11:36:52 am
I'm not going to claim doctor this game. Discuss

Also OMGUS Vote: ss

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:38:22 am
I will claim with Yuma.

to be clear, I am only talking about myself claiming here... others should decide for themselves and it is generally a bad idea to claim early unless you have a good reason, which I think I have... see coming post
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:38:57 am
I will claim with Yuma.

er, don't. claiming early is only a good idea if you have a specific reason for i.t
I claim Iron Man

Unless specified otherwise, "claiming" means roleclaiming. Flavor may or may not be relevant to this game, I don't think claiming only flavor is a particularly good idea.

To be clear, this is not a prompt for you to roleclaim, only you can have an idea of wether or not that's a good idea, but I definitely don't think other people should flavorclaim.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:39:54 am
Public setup information:
Flavor matters.  Non-Heroes will receive adequate information to safely claim.  That said, no flavor knowledge is required to play this game.

So yeah, no random flavor claiming please.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:40:06 am
well that is enough encouragement....

So I am a Random Vig aka The Hulk. I have no control over my power except whether or not to instigate it at night. If I do... someone other than me dies, but I can't choose who.

Because of this up until we are at 50/50 with non-town aligned roles this is going to be a negative utility as more often than not this is going to hit town and even at the end game is just as likely to hit town as mafia. (5 alive, 2 scum, 2 town that aren't me, 1 town that is me).

I don't know if claiming is the right course here, but this isn't really a role that I feel super strongly about keeping super secret from mafia.

Honestly my main purpose is to get people to think that I am townie because this just isn't a role that makes any sense to fake claim regardless of alignment (and certainly doesn't make any sense as a scum role) and maybe... just maybe there is a way to get this power to be more effective via co-ordination somehow. I don't know... maybe there is some sort of role that can non-randomize me?? (if you exist obviously don't claim) That sounds really RMM, but who knows what ash comes up with in these crazy setups of his...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:40:49 am
I'm not going to claim doctor this game. Discuss

That's generally a good plan, well done.

PPE : Ooh, fun.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:42:07 am
It absolutely makes sense as a scum role, not as mafia but as SK.

You claiming was definitely the right thing to do, and probably what ash intended. It puts us in a very interesting situation. I don't think we should lynch you day 1, I'll say that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 11:45:08 am
Oooohhhh, Teproc quoted a moderator...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 11:45:59 am
It absolutely makes sense as a scum role, not as mafia but as SK.

You claiming was definitely the right thing to do, and probably what ash intended. It puts us in a very interesting situation. I don't think we should lynch you day 1, I'll say that.

In my, biased opinion, optimal game play I think would be to keep me alive through lynches. Keep me in the back pocket and either let me live until end game (not using the PR during the night) where I can be a desperation, hail-mary attempt to keep the game going (using it only if we get to a desperate mylo situation), or force the mafia to expend a night kill on me when they could be using it elsewhere.

But of course that requires believing my claim.

And I think it would be a poor claim for a SK as if there appears to be a SK later in the game I think I become the first choice for mafia to NK to get rid of me. SK wants to not just avoid town lynches, but mafia NKs as well...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:48:17 am
Oooohhhh, Teproc quoted a moderator...

From the thread. I didn't quote a PM, if that's what you were thinking.

@yuma : I thought it was compulsive for some reason, in which case lynching you day 1 was a very relevant option. That changes thing, makes your purpose less clear to me... seems the right play if you're telling the truth would be to never use your power, and that's not very ash-like...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:49:44 am
I called Vig!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:51:18 am
Thinking about it, I'm inclined to believe you. The flavor obviously fits great, and as you say, it'd put you in a rather precarious position if you're SK, though it could make sense for a bulletproof SK still (that'd be a little strong though).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 11:51:35 am
Hi all.
OK, people I've not played with yet...
vote: Ampharos
vote: e - I think?
vote: EgorK
vote: Teproc

Sorry, Teproc, the alphabet doesn't lie...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 11:52:52 am
It's not exactly negative utility before we're at 50/50, because the death of a town has benefit in the information it gives.  Hard to quantify, but it's there.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:53:04 am
@Haddock : that's fine and all, but there's actual relevant staff to talk about. Thoughts on yuma's claim ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:55:07 am
*stuff
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 11:55:47 am
It's not exactly negative utility before we're at 50/50, because the death of a town has benefit in the information it gives.  Hard to quantify, but it's there.

Still negative utiity overall. Dead town is still bad for town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 12:03:47 pm
@Haddock : that's fine and all, but there's actual relevant staff to talk about. Thoughts on yuma's claim ?
Forgive me for enjoying myself. :P

Seriously though, you're right, sorry.  Well I'm inclined to believe it for now, if that's what you mean.  I have no idea at all what we should do about it...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 12:05:31 pm
If nothing better comes up, we have to kill Yuma, right?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 12:07:16 pm
If nothing better comes up, we have to kill Yuma, right?

No
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 12:07:35 pm
Yuma no part is compulsive, right?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 12:07:47 pm
If nothing better comes up, we have to kill Yuma, right?

Why ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 12:08:18 pm
If nothing better comes up, we have to kill Yuma, right?

Why ?
Isn't he better than a random lynch?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 12:09:19 pm
If nothing better comes up, we have to kill Yuma, right?

Why ?
Isn't he better than a random lynch?

How so ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 12:09:45 pm
Yuma no part is compulsive, right?

Correct
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 12:50:37 pm
So RVS is over, huh? Thanks, yuma!

The role is interesting... it's crazy swingy, but I think part of that is balanced out by the fact that it's not compulsive.

Note that it is very very convenient as a scum fakeclaim. If you get caught targetting some obvtown player with a killing action, you can always say "I didn't know it would hit him!" That said, it's unusual and dangerous to claim for that exact reason... so I think I want to keep yuma alive tonight. I would advise some precaution though, something like yuma announces whether or not he shoots prior to each night.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 12:51:27 pm
And of course tonight should mean today. In my defense, it already is night here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 12:52:46 pm
Why would we ever want yuma to shoot ? At mylo I guess, but aside from that I don't see how that could be a good idea.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 12:54:14 pm
So RVS is over, huh? Thanks, yuma!

The role is interesting... it's crazy swingy, but I think part of that is balanced out by the fact that it's not compulsive.

Note that it is very very convenient as a scum fakeclaim. If you get caught targetting some obvtown player with a killing action, you can always say "I didn't know it would hit him!" That said, it's unusual and dangerous to claim for that exact reason... so I think I want to keep yuma alive tonight. I would advise some precaution though, something like yuma announces whether or not he shoots prior to each night.

It would be a good claim later in the game if I hadn't already claimed it. But given that I have already stated that I don't plan on using it until the end game anyone seeing me targeting someone until the end game can go ahead and just straight up lynch me as I don't think using it in the early or midgame is a good idea.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 01:13:48 pm
Well my vote officially sucks!

<b> unvote </b> for now...

Where to go next? <b> Vote: Roadrunner </b> seems okay fir now.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 01:15:06 pm
Oh man bolding. vote: roadrunner
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 01:21:29 pm
Well my vote officially sucks!

<b> unvote </b> for now...

Where to go next? <b> Vote: Roadrunner </b> seems okay fir now.
Scumslip, vote: igu!

Just kidding, unvote
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 01:22:42 pm
Could I see igu doing this for town points?  Maybbeee.....  not really though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 01:23:12 pm
vote: igua
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 01:23:17 pm
Why would we ever want yuma to shoot ? At mylo I guess, but aside from that I don't see how that could be a good idea.

I think there are a couple of situations where it's good. Like, if you have 3 town and 1 scum left alive, then the extra shot is 'free'
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 01:28:34 pm
Voting for RR is a scumtell.

Vote: iguana
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 01:47:27 pm
Why would we ever want yuma to shoot ? At mylo I guess, but aside from that I don't see how that could be a good idea.

I think there are a couple of situations where it's good. Like, if you have 3 town and 1 scum left alive, then the extra shot is 'free'

Right, reverse mylo in a way. My point is : there's no scenario in which town!yuma shoots without the town discussing and approving it first.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 01:53:56 pm
Why would we ever want yuma to shoot ? At mylo I guess, but aside from that I don't see how that could be a good idea.

I think there are a couple of situations where it's good. Like, if you have 3 town and 1 scum left alive, then the extra shot is 'free'

Right, reverse mylo in a way. My point is : there's no scenario in which town!yuma shoots without the town discussing and approving it first.

okay, i can agree with that
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 01:54:16 pm
Well my vote officially sucks!

<b> unvote </b> for now...

Where to go next? <b> Vote: Roadrunner </b> seems okay fir now.

vote: ig
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 01:54:37 pm
the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 01:57:56 pm
the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.

Reiterate my vote on SS. Iguana has been in a bunch of quick topics of late via dying in other games. That there aren't any "known" town QTs this game has no merit.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 02:00:13 pm
Meh. I don't think it's a scumslip and it has nothing to do with my vote, but I briefly considered it, could see silver doing the same.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 02:04:46 pm
scumslips are rarely proof or insignificant - usually they're something in between.

the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.

Reiterate my vote on SS. Iguana has been in a bunch of quick topics of late via dying in other games. That there aren't any "known" town QTs this game has no merit.

I disagree. If he is scum (who could have daychat, too) that maks it more likely. It's one thing to have been in QT's at some point, and another thing to post something in a QT and then go right into the threat.

note that the last time I accused someone of scumslipping, he was scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 02:08:46 pm
This type of scumip has been proven again and again to not indicate alignment. Perot positive is when I often do the opposite and do the wrong billing style in QTs. What does that mean? Nothing. <b>dayvig: ss</b>
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 02:09:32 pm
This type of scumip has been proven again and again to not indicate alignment.

do you have any evidence for this?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 02:13:11 pm
I remember in Chocolate Factory, ash (who was scum) did the <b> thing... because of his Survivor QT.

It's not indicative of anything other than "this player has posted in a QT recently".
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 02:14:50 pm
Well, this has happened to iguana before I think, and then he said it's because of forum Survivor. I don't know if he's still playing in that. Anyway scumslips like this do not exist.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 02:15:24 pm
It's not indicative of anything other than "this player has posted in a QT recently".

right, I agree with that, and it's a useful way of putting it. And having posted in a QT recently does make him more likely to be scum.

Well, this has happened to iguana before I think, and then he said it's because of forum Survivor. I don't know if he's still playing in that. Anyway scumslips like this do not exist.

you have admitted that they do before.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 02:19:39 pm
The question isn't "do scumslips exist" because of course they do. I've scumslipped once (don't remember exactly what it was but I noted it to myself).

The problem is that it's nigh-imposible to tell the difference between a scumslip and some random mistake.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 02:21:04 pm
scumslips are rarely proof or insignificant - usually they're something in between.

the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.

Reiterate my vote on SS. Iguana has been in a bunch of quick topics of late via dying in other games. That there aren't any "known" town QTs this game has no merit.

I disagree. If he is scum (who could have daychat, too) that maks it more likely. It's one thing to have been in QT's at some point, and another thing to post something in a QT and then go right into the threat.

note that the last time I accused someone of scumslipping, he was scum.
Note that the last time Igu made this exact same slip, he was autolynched and was town.  I don't want to lynch him for this.

I think it's slightly scummy because it could be a grab for town points ("He wouldn't do this AGAIN as scum..."), but not lynchable material.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 02:22:42 pm
Haddock is town by the way, just putting it down now so that I'll remember when rereading.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 02:23:35 pm
scumslips are rarely proof or insignificant - usually they're something in between.

the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.

Reiterate my vote on SS. Iguana has been in a bunch of quick topics of late via dying in other games. That there aren't any "known" town QTs this game has no merit.

I disagree. If he is scum (who could have daychat, too) that maks it more likely. It's one thing to have been in QT's at some point, and another thing to post something in a QT and then go right into the threat.

note that the last time I accused someone of scumslipping, he was scum.
Note that the last time Igu made this exact same slip, he was autolynched and was town.  I don't want to lynch him for this.

most people are in the 'scum slips don't exist' mentality, so I kind of doubt that
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 02:24:15 pm
scumslips are rarely proof or insignificant - usually they're something in between.

the above seems like  a real scumslip to me. It's from a new player, and town doesn't have QT's in this game.

Reiterate my vote on SS. Iguana has been in a bunch of quick topics of late via dying in other games. That there aren't any "known" town QTs this game has no merit.

I disagree. If he is scum (who could have daychat, too) that maks it more likely. It's one thing to have been in QT's at some point, and another thing to post something in a QT and then go right into the threat.

note that the last time I accused someone of scumslipping, he was scum.
Note that the last time Igu made this exact same slip, he was autolynched and was town.  I don't want to lynch him for this.

most people are in the 'scum slips don't exist' mentality, so I kind of doubt that
Doubt what?  What are you talking about? 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 02:25:41 pm
Doubt what?  What are you talking about?

that he got autolynched for it
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 02:27:56 pm
Meh. I don't think it's a scumslip and it has nothing to do with my vote, but I briefly considered it, could see silver doing the same.

So why are you voting him?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 26, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
Doubt what?  What are you talking about?

that he got autolynched for it
Disagree, but ive just realised we should stop talking about this.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 02:31:07 pm
Doubt what?  What are you talking about?

that he got autolynched for it

PPE: I was going to say that, I think that game is still ongoing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 02:31:40 pm
Meh. I don't think it's a scumslip and it has nothing to do with my vote, but I briefly considered it, could see silver doing the same.

So why are you voting him?

His roadrunner vote read to me like "I need to do something", and full of little signifiers that I think scum uses more than town, like unvoting first and saying his vote "seems okay for now". It shows that his vote is more about how it makes him look than actually finding scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 02:52:06 pm
It's not indicative of anything other than "this player has posted in a QT recently".

right, I agree with that, and it's a useful way of putting it. And having posted in a QT recently does make him more likely to be scum.

Well, this has happened to iguana before I think, and then he said it's because of forum Survivor. I don't know if he's still playing in that. Anyway scumslips like this do not exist.

you have admitted that they do before.

I doubt that. Show me where this happened.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 02:56:53 pm
This type of scumip has been proven again and again to not indicate alignment.

do you have any evidence for this?

Yes. For starters, as ash said once... synapses in my brain. If you really want to be persistent about this I can pull some stuff up. But honestly... that isnt' going to happen until Monday at the absolute earliest.... It will take some digging and I just don't have time for that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 02:59:46 pm
It's not indicative of anything other than "this player has posted in a QT recently".

right, I agree with that, and it's a useful way of putting it. And having posted in a QT recently does make him more likely to be scum.

If iguana hadn't ever posted in a QT before, or in the last week, then sure. I might agree with you. But we have proven knowledge that he has very recently been in a handful of QTs. So yeah. I don't buy it....
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:02:55 pm
I doubt that. Show me where this happened.

no, that would take forever. and I'm certain, so it's not necessary. just trust me on this.

the conversation went something like

- s: {scum slip argument}
- f: *this* is relevant (link to the scum slip debate)
- s: you really only argue that scum slips are extremely rare, not that they don't exist. ash warned us in fish mafia that we shouldn't use <> in the thread
- f: yeah they're rare, so rare that they basically never happen. if someone was a new player, then sure, he could scum slip. but for someone who works with QT's all the time like me, it's a null-tell

well - igu is comparatively new.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 03:04:37 pm
woo I'm here!

Vote: e

anyways Its a good thing yuma got that role instead of me... I'd totally just roll the dice every night if I got it and hope for the best. I think it would be super fun.

As for believing the claim and stuff. I believe it for now. currently I can't think of as many good reasons why scum!yuma would claim it. but then maybe scum!yuma knew i would think that! noooo.

but ya I believe the claim for now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 03:06:20 pm
Man. I thought maybe I could try and use the search function on this forum to search for <b> but the search function here is just soooo bad.

Like completely and totally useless, so yeah, this will have to wait. Hopefully when Monday roles around there will be other things to talk about, but if it is I will certainly devote some time to this and be happy to use it as a reference in future games where this exact scenario is sure to come up.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 03:06:44 pm
I doubt that. Show me where this happened.

no, that would take forever. and I'm certain, so it's not necessary. just trust me on this.

the conversation went something like

- s: {scum slip argument}
- f: *this* is relevant (link to the scum slip debate)
- s: you really only argue that scum slips are extremely rare, not that they don't exist. ash warned us in fish mafia that we shouldn't use <> in the thread
- f: yeah they're rare, so rare that they basically never happen. if someone was a new player, then sure, he could scum slip. but for someone who works with QT's all the time like me, it's a null-tell

well - igu is comparatively new.

I think I was scum in that game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 03:07:48 pm
I think I was scum in that game.

Ha!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:07:55 pm
I doubt that. Show me where this happened.

no, that would take forever. and I'm certain, so it's not necessary. just trust me on this.

the conversation went something like

- s: {scum slip argument}
- f: *this* is relevant (link to the scum slip debate)
- s: you really only argue that scum slips are extremely rare, not that they don't exist. ash warned us in fish mafia that we shouldn't use <> in the thread
- f: yeah they're rare, so rare that they basically never happen. if someone was a new player, then sure, he could scum slip. but for someone who works with QT's all the time like me, it's a null-tell

well - igu is comparatively new.

I think I was scum in that game.

you were. that's what I was referring to when I said that 'the last time I accused someone of scumslipping, he was scum'.

Although I asked you afterwards and you said that you wouldn't say it was a scum slip.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 03:14:55 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 03:20:23 pm
here is an example for you. I tried hard to remember the specific game that I was thinking of... wibbly wobbly mafia...

I believe that this is the first game where it happened and where there was a big deal about it...

Voltgloss was town. Shraeye the guy accusing him is scum...

I argued heavily against it as a SK... It was pretty interesting and worth reading and, in my opinion, is a great example of the folly of relying on these sort of slips.

link starts where shraeye makes the case against him:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9010.msg280192#msg280192
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:24:17 pm
well, I am saying that ig's slip makes him more likely to be scum with about the strength of a strong to average day 1 case (aka about 10%). so... 1 counter example isn't really useful.

it also heavily depends on who does it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 03:25:08 pm
here is an example for you. I tried hard to remember the specific game that I was thinking of... wibbly wobbly mafia...

I believe that this is the first game where it happened and where there was a big deal about it...

Voltgloss was town. Shraeye the guy accusing him is scum...

I argued heavily against it as a SK... It was pretty interesting and worth reading and, in my opinion, is a great example of the folly of relying on these sort of slips.

link starts where shraeye makes the case against him:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9010.msg280192#msg280192

for clarity shraeye makes a case about a few points and then underscores it with the scumslip argument at the very bottom, but it was the part that was taken most seriously by the rest of the town and was what ultimatley led to his lynch.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 03:27:09 pm
well, I am saying that ig's slip makes him more likely to be scum with about the strength of a strong to average day 1 case (aka about 10%). so... 1 counter example isn't really useful.

it also heavily depends on who does it.

Sure I am not saying 1 counter example is enough. Like I said, I don't have time to find a whole bunch of them. But I do think it is still worth reading. If this is still an issue I'll to do a more exhaustive search, but this was the one that stuck out to me.

And where are you making up these 10% numbers? What do you have to back that up since you are so interested in backing things up these days.

And sure it depends on who does it. Iguana has been posting in QTs, survivor and speccies. This is known. So why aren't you taking that into consideration?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 03:28:21 pm
This is all-and-all quite a bad argument.  Teproc's point is okay, I give it a 'meh'.  Silver is lynchable. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 03:29:22 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment


What do you mean 'what else he did'?  And what did he do to be assigned more than average probability of being scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 03:35:55 pm
Going through print pages searching works.

Bolding errors:
RMM2 - Voltgloss, was town
RMM3 - Captain_Frisk, was scum
RMM4 - Galria, was mod
RMM10 - yuma, was town
RMM10 - Eevee, was town
M10 - ashersky, was town
M24 - Twistedarcher, was town
M29 - Archetype, was mod
M31 - ashersky, was mod
M31 - yuma, was mod
M35 - ashersky, was scum
M35 - Jimmmmm, was town

I stopped at around M40. What I can tell from this is that <b>bolding</b> is more of a mod tell than it is a scum tell. Maybe iguana is secretly the mod?

PPE 7
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:38:57 pm
well, I am saying that ig's slip makes him more likely to be scum with about the strength of a strong to average day 1 case (aka about 10%). so... 1 counter example isn't really useful.

it also heavily depends on who does it.

Sure I am not saying 1 counter example is enough. Like I said, I don't have time to find a whole bunch of them. But I do think it is still worth reading. If this is still an issue I'll to do a more exhaustive search, but this was the one that stuck out to me.

And where are you making up these 10% numbers? What do you have to back that up since you are so interested in backing things up these days.

And sure it depends on who does it. Iguana has been posting in QTs, survivor and speccies. This is known. So why aren't you taking that into consideration?

uh... I can't back that up. When being vague, I have a preference of using vague numbers over of vague words. As in, instead of saying 'a little bit' I can say '10%'. I think that even an imprecise number is more useful than a term.

Quote
And sure it depends on who does it. Iguana has been posting in QTs, survivor and speccies. This is known. So why aren't you taking that into consideration?

because having posted in a QT a second before posting in the forum is a more likely cause than having posted in the QT at some point. And if he has day chat, then that's the simplest explanation.

If scum doesn't have day chat, that makes the argument quite a bit weaker. But I'll stand by it being reasonable evidence for the chance that they do.


this list is incomplete. you didn't include yourself.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 03:39:16 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment

No, this is not the way math works.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:39:53 pm
I stopped at around M40.

ehh nvm
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 03:40:45 pm
Vote: ss instead.

I think for some people it could be considered a slight scum tell. I think for iguana I can't consider it a scum tell anymore.

PPE:3
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:41:13 pm
so.

let's just forget the scum slip thing for now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 03:41:59 pm
so.

let's just forget the scum slip thing for now.

ahha it was my vote pressure that did it. I'm so good at this game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:42:20 pm
Vote: ss instead.

I think for some people it could be considered a slight scum tell. I think for iguana I can't consider it a scum tell anymore.

PPE:3

"I disagree with you, therefore you're scum!"
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:43:03 pm
ahha it was my vote pressure that did it. I'm so good at this game.

your vote was in PPE

and I didn't concede anything. I said let us stop talking about it because talking about it isn't particularly helpful.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 03:44:12 pm
Vote: ss instead.

I think for some people it could be considered a slight scum tell. I think for iguana I can't consider it a scum tell anymore.

PPE:3

"I disagree with you, therefore you're scum!"

It was more of a I felt like you were trying to stretch the scumslip argument further then you normally would I guess. But then the next post you like gave up so I don't know anymore.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:47:57 pm
Vote: ss instead.

I think for some people it could be considered a slight scum tell. I think for iguana I can't consider it a scum tell anymore.

PPE:3

"I disagree with you, therefore you're scum!"

It was more of a I felt like you were trying to stretch the scumslip argument further then you normally would I guess. But then the next post you like gave up so I don't know anymore.

pushing scum tell arguments is generally towny, because you get a lot of poorly reasoned flag for it without achieving much, even if you're right.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 03:50:51 pm
This is all-and-all quite a bad argument.  Teproc's point is okay, I give it a 'meh'.  Silver is lynchable.

Agree with all of this.

so.

let's just forget the scum slip thing for now.

ahha it was my vote pressure that did it. I'm so good at this game.

As a hater of fun, I still cannot help but smile at this. Well done.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 03:52:22 pm
Vote: ss instead.

I think for some people it could be considered a slight scum tell. I think for iguana I can't consider it a scum tell anymore.

PPE:3

"I disagree with you, therefore you're scum!"

It was more of a I felt like you were trying to stretch the scumslip argument further then you normally would I guess. But then the next post you like gave up so I don't know anymore.

pushing scum tell arguments is generally towny, because you get a lot of poorly reasoned flag for it without achieving much, even if you're right.

How is that townie ?

Also, slip, not tell.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 03:58:24 pm
Also, slip, not tell.

right

it's towny because scum would be afraid of it. I guess. Mostly I wanted to tell Hydrad that he was wrong.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 04:07:26 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment

No, this is not the way math works.

This is exactly how math works. We have  a probability p for average player being scum. Someone apperas to scumslip. Suppose with probability q he actually scumslips, while with probabilty 1-q it is not telling of alignment (i. e. he is scum with probability p). Then total probability of being scum is q+(1-q)p = p+q(1-p) > p if q > 0

Also your data, despite not really many cases, shows 1/4 probability of being scum after scum slip which is higher then normal being scum probability
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 04:11:22 pm
Pretty sure using math is scummy, so by that logic we should all be voting for you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 04:12:46 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment

No, this is not the way math works.

This is exactly how math works. We have  a probability p for average player being scum. Someone apperas to scumslip. Suppose with probability q he actually scumslips, while with probabilty 1-q it is not telling of alignment (i. e. he is scum with probability p). Then total probability of being scum is q+(1-q)p = p+q(1-p) > p if q > 0

Also your data, despite not really many cases, shows 1/4 probability of being scum after scum slip which is higher then normal being scum probability

What does "scumslip" even mean in this context?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 04:22:50 pm
Well, look, either it was a scumslip or it wasn't, so two choices. Ashersky can verify that there is therefore a 50% chance it was a scumslip.  Oh, I guess we all should be voting for Iguana.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 04:23:38 pm
Well, look, either it was a scumslip or it wasn't, so two choices. Ashersky can verify that there is therefore a 50% chance it was a scumslip.  Oh, I guess we all should be voting for Iguana.

Isn't math great ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 04:25:10 pm
it's so weird that this is a thing here too, because I used to have a friend irl who tried to make the exact same argument
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 04:26:42 pm
Well, look, either it was a scumslip or it wasn't, so two choices. Ashersky can verify that there is therefore a 50% chance it was a scumslip.  Oh, I guess we all should be voting for Iguana.

Isn't math great ?

Reflecting on that, I believe there is something wrong with your premise. ash would never assess the likeliness of a scumslip occurring at anything less than 75%.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 04:34:15 pm
Doubt what?  What are you talking about?

that he got autolynched for it

Silver, just in case you were in the game and on my wagon where I immediately got 5 votes for this as town and then got quicklynched, why don't you go look for it?

To everyone, I make this mistake virtually every time I post on my phone. And yes as Faust said it is because before I started playing mafia I played an excessive amount of forum survivor, which is almost all in quicktopics, and made a habit of bolding that way.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 04:39:58 pm
I also know I did this more than once in RMM28. i will find instances once I can get to a computer but geez guys I have made this mistakenas town at least 3 or 4 times by now. If I get lynched for this on day 1 twice in a row I am going to be honestly disappointed in F.DS mafia.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 04:48:26 pm
Also, slip, not tell.

right

it's towny because scum would be afraid of it. I guess. Mostly I wanted to tell Hydrad that he was wrong.

fair enough i guess?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 04:52:52 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment

No, this is not the way math works.

This is exactly how math works. We have  a probability p for average player being scum. Someone apperas to scumslip. Suppose with probability q he actually scumslips, while with probabilty 1-q it is not telling of alignment (i. e. he is scum with probability p). Then total probability of being scum is q+(1-q)p = p+q(1-p) > p if q > 0

Also your data, despite not really many cases, shows 1/4 probability of being scum after scum slip which is higher then normal being scum probability

What does "scumslip" even mean in this context?

For the sake of this argument we may limit it to using <b> to bold a vote

I'd appreciate to get more from iguana here
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 04:59:45 pm
You're not making any sense. First you are talking about <b> and about the probability of that being a scumslip, but now you define it as a scumslip...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 05:03:17 pm
You're not making any sense. First you are talking about <b> and about the probability of that being a scumslip, but now you define it as a scumslip...

<b> is "appears to scumslip" in my post. Actual scumslip is if done because posting recently in mafia qt
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 05:24:13 pm
this game is weird

vote: faust for not getting things moving
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 05:30:30 pm
Well, look, either it was a scumslip or it wasn't, so two choices. Ashersky can verify that there is therefore a 50% chance it was a scumslip.  Oh, I guess we all should be voting for Iguana.

Isn't math great ?

Reflecting on that, I believe there is something wrong with your premise. ash would never assess the likeliness of a scumslip occurring at anything less than 75%.

You're missing the premise of the joke.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 26, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
Vote Count 1.2:

iguanaiguana (3): Teproc, faust, EgorK
silverspawn (3): yuma, WW, Hydrad
RR (1): iguanaiguana
Faust (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (5): RR, 2.7, Ampharos, Awaclus, Haddock

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 05:37:40 pm
this game is weird

vote: faust for not getting things moving

Interesting; this is a meta-based vote?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 05:46:51 pm
this game is weird

vote: faust for not getting things moving

Vote: silverspawn for not getting things moving.

I am seriously sick of this.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 05:48:57 pm
this game is weird

vote: faust for not getting things moving

Vote: silverspawn for not getting things moving.

I am seriously sick of this.

Pretty sure if you voted for him for this, then he got things moving.  Checkmate!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 05:53:33 pm
You're not making any sense. First you are talking about <b> and about the probability of that being a scumslip, but now you define it as a scumslip...

<b> is "appears to scumslip" in my post. Actual scumslip is if done because posting recently in mafia qt

Your argument would make sense if not for the fact that scum is actually cautious and thus less likely to <b>. You say (1-p) is "not indicative of alignment", but you exclude the possiblity of it being indicative of being town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 05:57:48 pm
Well, look, either it was a scumslip or it wasn't, so two choices. Ashersky can verify that there is therefore a 50% chance it was a scumslip.  Oh, I guess we all should be voting for Iguana.

Isn't math great ?

Reflecting on that, I believe there is something wrong with your premise. ash would never assess the likeliness of a scumslip occurring at anything less than 75%.

You're missing the premise of the joke.

Am I ?

@silver : What's weird about this game ? If anything is weird, is how fast it did get going, so... what ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 06:01:13 pm
Well maybe you're not; I thought at first you were reading it differently.  Anyway, I was referring to what Ash said in his speccy in the game that just ended.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 06:03:41 pm
You're not making any sense. First you are talking about <b> and about the probability of that being a scumslip, but now you define it as a scumslip...

<b> is "appears to scumslip" in my post. Actual scumslip is if done because posting recently in mafia qt

Your argument would make sense if not for the fact that scum is actually cautious and thus less likely to <b>. You say (1-p) is "not indicative of alignment", but you exclude the possiblity of it being indicative of being town.

It may be so or not, I don't know. Namely it may be so for you. I, for example, always use buttons at the top to bold things. Stats you provided suggests otherwise for random person, however small sample that is.

I just really do not understand your "This not how math works" comment
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:05:16 pm
Interesting; this is a meta-based vote?

it was sort of a semi RVS vote with a controversial reason to provoke emotions of some kind or another. which I now realize may be a bit unfair, but that was the idea.

@silver : What's weird about this game ? If anything is weird, is how fast it did get going, so... what ?

well it's going but we're not talking about alignments. first we talked about scum slip theory and then about maths.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 26, 2015, 06:09:11 pm
You were kind of a big driver in talking about scumslip theory...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:10:58 pm
You were kind of a big driver in talking about scumslip theory...

I know, but not intentionally
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:12:06 pm
Vote: iguana

While we assign non zero probability of it being scumslip iguana has more than average probability being scum. What else he did had not dissuaded me from this assesment

No, this is not the way math works.

This is exactly how math works. We have  a probability p for average player being scum. Someone apperas to scumslip. Suppose with probability q he actually scumslips, while with probabilty 1-q it is not telling of alignment (i. e. he is scum with probability p). Then total probability of being scum is q+(1-q)p = p+q(1-p) > p if q > 0

Also your data, despite not really many cases, shows 1/4 probability of being scum after scum slip which is higher then normal being scum probability

What does "scumslip" even mean in this context?

For the sake of this argument we may limit it to using <b> to bold a vote

I'd appreciate to get more from iguana here

Okay!

So forum survivor is the first forum game that I ever played on here. I only decided to do mafia after I already met some people from Forum survivor that also play mafia games.

In our first forum survivor challenge, even before we knew what tribes we were on, we played a game of Two Rooms/One Bomber. In that game, the fourteen players got put into two separate "rooms" AKA quicktopics with seven players each in them. I won't belabor you with all the rules or the outcome, but basically in every round, we had to vote for a leader using the same voting style as in mafia, except that instead of voting for someone to lynch we were voting for a room leader, who would determine the people that would be sent to the other room at the end of the round. All of those votes had to be in bold text and since it was in a QT, you used <b> to do it. Additionally, we shared our colors and roles with other players in whispers to each other in bold using <b>. The game was seven rounds long, so I ended up voting for a room leader seven times, and I think I shared my color with every other player in the game. Through the whole process of playing that challenge in survivor, I learned to bold using <b> and now I still frequently make the mistake.

The only game I can quote is RMM28, so here are the instances I could find:

I'm sorry I meant I no longer believed WW/Xerxes was possible.

At any rate it hardly matters at all. If Faust is scum, we will lose because I was the only one who refused to blindly follow after the pied piper.

If faust is town, we likely still lose because he has made a mistake of some kind.

Either way my only vindication will be my death and my flip.

So go ahead and kill me you cowards.

<b> Vote: Iguana </b>

Here, I end up changing my vote to Faust, so I guess you could argue I was only pretending to vote for myself on purpose, but really I just screwed up and before I corrected it, I decided that voting Faust instead was marginally better than just giving up the game.

From Faust's QT:

"Yeah Hide behind Ampharos"

Laughing at it because I have made the opposite mistake so many times : P

This is after the game, and what I'm doing here is trying to make reference to the fact that Faust made the reverse mistake once in his traitor QT. The irony of course is that because I just lifted the quote without altering it, the "bolding mistake" doesn't show up and it parses correctly in the thread. At any rate, the reason I reference his making the opposite mistake is because after bolding wrong in the main threads, its funny to me that someone else would bold wrong in a quicktopic.

So what's really frustrating to me is that I have one finished game and two flips, both as town, and in all of my other games I have made this mistake. So I can kinda understand Teproc voting for me here because he's never played with me before, and TBH I kinda understand EgorK too because he may not have noticed me make the mistake in RMM28.

What I really don't understand though is Silver acting like he just doesn't remember this happening just a few weeks ago. I mean, maybe he forgot at first, but seriously? Even after Haddock brought it up, you still don't remember?

That's just too much to swallow and makes you look scummy to me.

Vote: Silverspawn

PPE: 9
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 06:12:34 pm
You're not making any sense. First you are talking about <b> and about the probability of that being a scumslip, but now you define it as a scumslip...

<b> is "appears to scumslip" in my post. Actual scumslip is if done because posting recently in mafia qt

Your argument would make sense if not for the fact that scum is actually cautious and thus less likely to <b>. You say (1-p) is "not indicative of alignment", but you exclude the possiblity of it being indicative of being town.

It may be so or not, I don't know. Namely it may be so for you. I, for example, always use buttons at the top to bold things. Stats you provided suggests otherwise for random person, however small sample that is.

I just really do not understand your "This not how math works" comment
I thought you meant something else from what you did.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:16:50 pm
Looks like my vote there was L-2
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:25:05 pm
That's just too much to swallow and makes you look scummy to me.

er... this doesn't make a lot of sense. you're basically suggesting that I remembered it but pretended not to. This is the kind of stuff scum would never do.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:26:32 pm
I very vaguely remember something now, but I could not say whether the scum slip was 1% or 90% of your case

it's probably because of your avatar. if it looked different, I might remember it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:27:59 pm
That's just too much to swallow and makes you look scummy to me.

er... this doesn't make a lot of sense. you're basically suggesting that I remembered it but pretended not to. This is the kind of stuff scum would never do.

>.< Can't believe this is coming from the guy who just tried to get me lynched for bolding incorrectly.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 06:28:53 pm
Ok, I am persuaded

Vote: Hydrad. His last post is really weird, in scum Hydrad weird way
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 26, 2015, 06:30:11 pm
I do not find Silver scummy based on this interaction. Pushing even mediocre cases at this stage is better than RVS
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:32:19 pm
I do not find Silver scummy based on this interaction. Pushing even mediocre cases at this stage is better than RVS

Agreed. But that is why I am pushing for his mediocre case. I don't have anything else to go on right now.

Why does Hydrad's comment look scummy to you?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:35:14 pm
Also, which post of Hydrad's?

Also, I'm totally not used to you doing anything other than lurking, talking about jetlag, or saying "I'm the doctor!"

I like this new scumhunting version of you!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 06:39:29 pm
I do not find Silver scummy based on this interaction. Pushing even mediocre cases at this stage is better than RVS

Agreed. But that is why I am pushing for his mediocre case. I don't have anything else to go on right now.

Why does Hydrad's comment look scummy to you?

You agree that silver is not scummy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:41:42 pm
>.< Can't believe this is coming from the guy who just tried to get me lynched for bolding incorrectly.

I don't get this. How are the two things connected?

Bolding incorrectly is an unintentional slip-up. I will admit that your provided examples and your history with forum mafia basically invalidate the original case, but... well that's that.

What I just said was, scum would not go 'I will pretend not to remember this thing so I have the opportunity to push a dishonest and mediocre case on someone'. That's not the way scum thinks. It's not something scum is likely to do.

If you disagree with that, then... well you're wrong.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 06:42:30 pm
Ok, I am persuaded

Vote: Hydrad. His last post is really weird, in scum Hydrad weird way

fair enough i guess?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:43:11 pm
ironically/amusingly, I am getting scum vibes from igu for his recent posts
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:43:39 pm

EBWOF history wiith *survivor
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 06:43:42 pm

@silver : What's weird about this game ? If anything is weird, is how fast it did get going, so... what ?

well it's going but we're not talking about alignments. first we talked about scum slip theory and then about maths.

we had a bit of the talk about yuma also! thats kinda alignmentish
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 06:45:02 pm
Also, slip, not tell.

right

it's towny because scum would be afraid of it. I guess. Mostly I wanted to tell Hydrad that he was wrong.

fair enough i guess?

fair enough i guess?

Is this some kind of joke? Because it's not funny.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 06:45:52 pm
No, huh, wait, I am majorly confused.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:46:48 pm
>.< Can't believe this is coming from the guy who just tried to get me lynched for bolding incorrectly.

I don't get this. How are the two things connected?

Bolding incorrectly is an unintentional slip-up. I will admit that your provided examples and your history with forum mafia basically invalidate the original case, but... well that's that.

What I just said was, scum would not go 'I will pretend not to remember this thing so I have the opportunity to push a dishonest and mediocre case on someone'. That's not the way scum thinks. It's not something scum is likely to do.

If you disagree with that, then... well you're wrong.

Well, you pushed it. I told you you had done it before, asked you to go look, you didn't go look, ignored that comment, talked about maths, and just proceeded to act like this mistake has not ever happened before. And it seemed scummy to me. Now you've dropped it, so IDK. I guess we have very similar feelings towards each other right now, but unlike you I don't have anyone else that looks scummy to vote for instead.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:47:06 pm
Is this some kind of joke? Because it's not funny.

I actually thought it was hilarious.

But I tend to find of Hydrad's posts funny.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:47:51 pm

EBWOF/ *a lot of
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 06:48:57 pm
Also, slip, not tell.

right

it's towny because scum would be afraid of it. I guess. Mostly I wanted to tell Hydrad that he was wrong.

fair enough i guess?

fair enough i guess?

Is this some kind of joke? Because it's not funny.

Ya the second post was kinda a joke. Apologizes!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:49:35 pm
What is EBWOF?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:51:47 pm
Well, you pushed it. I told you you had done it before, asked you to go look, you didn't go look, ignored that comment, talked about maths, and just proceeded to act like this mistake has not ever happened before. And it seemed scummy to me.

I'm not sure if that would be scummy, but thankfully it doesn't matter, because that's not what happened! At the point that you pointed it out (point) I had already dropped the topic and I didn't bring it up afterwards.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:52:02 pm
What is EBWOF?

Edit by way of post
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:52:27 pm
I do not find Silver scummy based on this interaction. Pushing even mediocre cases at this stage is better than RVS

Agreed. But that is why I am pushing for his mediocre case. I don't have anything else to go on right now.

Why does Hydrad's comment look scummy to you?

You agree that silver is not scummy?

Just saw this.

No, I agree that "pushing mediocre cases is better than RVS."
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 26, 2015, 06:53:00 pm
What is EBWOF?

Edit by way of post

why an F instead of EBWOP?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:55:13 pm
I wish people would stop using the word mediocre if they mean bad. If a post is mediocre then he is perfectly fine since he is average.

Although leo provides me with several meanings some of which are negative. Look at the damage your misuse of the English language has already caused!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 06:55:29 pm
why an F instead of EBWOP?

Edit by way of Fost.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 06:57:10 pm
Well, you pushed it. I told you you had done it before, asked you to go look, you didn't go look, ignored that comment, talked about maths, and just proceeded to act like this mistake has not ever happened before. And it seemed scummy to me.

I'm not sure if that would be scummy, but thankfully it doesn't matter, because that's not what happened! At the point that you pointed it out (point) I had already dropped the topic and I didn't bring it up afterwards.

Okay, I'm sorry, I think I need to go read the entire thread again. It took me so long to write that one long post that had 9 PPEs that now the order in which people have said things is garbled up in my mind. I will go back and reread and try to figure out what actually happened.

I guess Unvote for now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 07:26:52 pm
Blah. A reread doesn't make you look less scummy at all.

Vote: Silverspawn

FWIW, I don't think you were lying about forgetting.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 07:27:52 pm
Blah. A reread doesn't make you look less scummy at all.

Vote: silverspawn

FWIW, I don't think you were lying about forgetting.

so you're voting me for forgetting something?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 07:42:05 pm
Blah. A reread doesn't make you look less scummy at all.

Vote: silverspawn

FWIW, I don't think you were lying about forgetting.

so you're voting me for forgetting something?

No, I'm voting for you, basically, because of the way you hopped on my case, then backed off when a few people thought you were scummy for hopping on my case, & then seized upon my reasoning for voting for you as particularly bad and used that to distract people (including me) from the real reasons that others had voted for you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 07:48:36 pm
Blah. A reread doesn't make you look less scummy at all.

Vote: silverspawn

FWIW, I don't think you were lying about forgetting.

so you're voting me for forgetting something?

No, I'm voting for you, basically, because of the way you hopped on my case, then backed off when a few people thought you were scummy for hopping on my case, & then seized upon my reasoning for voting for you as particularly bad and used that to distract people (including me) from the real reasons that others had voted for you.

That would be scummy, but thankfully it's not what happened!

I didn't hop on your case. Hopping on implies that someone else made the case and I sheeped it. I did no such thing. I was the one who made the case.

I likewise did not back off when people found me scummy for it. I you may infer from my frustration upon being found scummy it was something I saw coming, too. I backed off, if you want to call it that, when you gave elaborate examples of your mafia stuff and forum survivor stuff, because those invalidated the case. The slip made you scummy because not!posting!alot!in!QTs!iguanaiguana is more likely to bold incorrectly as scum than as town, while actual!iguanaiguana isn't really. In other words, I stopped perusing the case when it was clear that the case was really bad.

And I stated that you're scummy later because you were scummy later. You're being scummy right now, too.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 07:57:49 pm
Ok, and now you are just taking everything I am saying and saying "that isn't what happened!" and I am just feeling better and better about my vote.

In my last game, I was swayed way too much by scum when I made arguments and they got to work invalidating everything I said. I questioned myself far too often, unvoted, and sheeped more experienced players the whole way through and look what happened, it lost me the game. If at any point I had stuck to my guns at a point where it actually mattered, I would not only have won the game for town but I would have gotten MVP.

So yeah, I am not making that mistake again. I'm sorry, but you look like scum to me. And the more you respond, the more I am happy with my vote where it is.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 26, 2015, 08:01:50 pm
And the more you respond, the more I am happy with my vote where it is.

It's called "confirmation bias".
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:12:06 pm
This reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite books!

Quote from: one of my favorite books
ďLet's just agree to disagree,Ē the hook-handed man replied, using a tiresome expression which here means ďYou're probably right, but I'm too embarrassed to admit it.Ē

I mean, your response was completely ignoring the content of what I said. I didn't just say that this isn't what happened because I like to call your cases invalid, I said it because it's not what happened.

i: You did XX, that's scummy
s: I didn't do XX, here is what I actually did
i: okay, let me reread
i: you did YY, that's scummy
s: I didn't do YY, here is what I actually did
i: you are saying that every time, that's scummy!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 26, 2015, 08:30:28 pm
Vote: silverspawn

i: You did XX, that's scummy
s: I didn't do XX, here is what I actually did
i: okay, let me reread
i: you did YY, that's scummy
s: I didn't do YY, here is what I actually did
i: you are saying that every time, that's scummy!

But you were scum in Futuramafia. How are you going to defend yourself against this overwhelming evidence?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:32:10 pm
But you were scum in Futuramafia. How are you going to defend yourself against this overwhelming evidence?

ponies
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:33:10 pm
I think you might want to unvote, because I might be on L-1, and I am as much town now as I was scum in futuramafia. unless you actually have a reason for... well, no, even then.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 26, 2015, 08:34:20 pm
I think you might want to unvote, because I might be on L-1, and I am as much town now as I was scum in futuramafia. unless you actually have a reason for... well, no, even then.

Really? Fug.

Vote: iguana
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:35:06 pm
Well maybe you're not; I thought at first you were reading it differently.  Anyway, I was referring to what Ash said in his speccy in the game that just ended.

Oh, I haven't read that. I assumed you were making fun of Egork's... questionable logic.

@igua : I'm not voting for you because of the <b> thing at all.

PPE : Um, L-1 I think ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:35:53 pm
I think you might want to unvote, because I might be on L-1, and I am as much town now as I was scum in futuramafia. unless you actually have a reason for... well, no, even then.

Really? Fug.

Vote: iguana

Wagons !
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:36:15 pm
I like that much more!

but I'm not so sure about igu being scum anymore after his most recent posts. His 'I went wrong as town last game, I'm not gonna do that mistake again' read genuine to me.

is your vote serious?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 26, 2015, 08:36:54 pm
Dammit, how can everyone be at L-1?

Vote: WW
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:38:10 pm
Dammit, how can everyone be at L-1?

Vote: WW

I don't think igu was at L-1  ???

did you read the thread?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:38:20 pm
I don't know if that was L-1 on igua, but it was probably close yeah.

You're telling me you just stumbled on the two most popular wagons randomly Awaclus ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:39:51 pm
I don't know if that was L-1 on igua, but it was probably close yeah.

it was? I thought there was like 1 vote on him and that was mine.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:41:09 pm
I don't know if that was L-1 on igua, but it was probably close yeah.

it was? I thought there was like 1 vote on him and that was mine.

Well there's me. And I thought there were at least two others, could be wrong though, I'll check.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:43:44 pm
Nah, you're right, Egork and faust moved away, that was only the third vote.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 08:44:08 pm
Alright, I guess I need to spell this out.


I didn't hop on your case. Hopping on implies that someone else made the case and I sheeped it. I did no such thing. I was the one who made the case.


Okay, agreed. But it's also irrelevant. I am not voting for you because you got onto on my case. I am voting for you because of the way you responded after you got on my case and it did not go well for you.

Quote
I likewise did not back off when people found me scummy for it.

I disagree. I would say you backed off here:

so.

let's just forget the scum slip thing for now.

You posted this after a few people found you scummy and voted for you based on your case against me.

Quote
I you may infer from my frustration upon being found scummy it was something I saw coming, too. I backed off, if you want to call it that, when you gave elaborate examples of your mafia stuff and forum survivor stuff, because those invalidated the case. The slip made you scummy because not!posting!alot!in!QTs!iguanaiguana is more likely to bold incorrectly as scum than as town, while actual!iguanaiguana isn't really. In other words, I stopped perusing the case when it was clear that the case was really bad.

So obviously I disagree with this also. You didn't back off here, you had already backed off. However, the way that you decided to unvote me was very strange. Just saying "This game is weird" is a non-explanation. So yeah, that was another thing that looked scummy to me.

Quote
And I stated that you're scummy later because you were scummy later. You're being scummy right now, too.

What is there to even say about this? Well, you are accusing me of being scummy without reasons, and also later you are saying that I am accusing you of being scummy without reasons. I mean, come on.

So to respond to your more recent post, I would say that when you said "I didn't do YY," you said nothing to actually convince me that you didn't really do YY, and so your claim that you didn't do YY looks like a lie. Because it looks like a lie, it looks scummy.

Now look, this could all just be a huge misunderstanding. I am completely willing to believe that. And I don't want this day to end any time soon. It's thanksgiving, some people haven't even posted yet. I would much rather just put all of this aside for now. But I am not going to just let you say that I am voting without reasons. I have as good of reasons as I think anyone could have on D1. I am doing my best to find scum. Please don't persecute me just for that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 26, 2015, 08:45:43 pm
So : people who played with igua before (as town, preferably) : how did he react to pressure ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 26, 2015, 08:47:38 pm
In fact, let's just Vote: Awaclus

Futuramafia has nothing to do with anything.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:52:40 pm
In fact, let's just Vote: Awaclus

Futuramafia has nothing to do with anything.
well... Awaclus has voted for me in his first post of every single game since Futuramafia, without exception, including the games where I wasn't even playing because I was modding.

Pretty sure that's not an alignment tell.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:55:35 pm
I disagree. I would say you backed off here:

so.

let's just forget the scum slip thing for now.

ah, but

and I didn't concede anything. I said let us stop talking about it because talking about it isn't particularly helpful.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:59:02 pm
but now the day has actually become productive! so that's great.

town reads on Hydrad, igu, and Awaclus. no scum reads though. that means PoE. PoE means that scum is Ampharos. vote: Ampharos. who even is this guy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 08:59:17 pm
vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 26, 2015, 09:00:33 pm
You're telling me you just stumbled on the two most popular wagons randomly Awaclus ?

Pretty much, yeah. Maybe iguana came to my mind first because he already had a popular wagon, but I certainly didn't think he was anywhere near L-1.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 26, 2015, 09:00:46 pm
oh it is 3 am I need to sleep gn8
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 26, 2015, 10:00:17 pm
Stop killing Iguanaiguana day one!

And sorry for enjoying my wifi free Thanksgiving instead of huddling in a corner on Forum Mafia.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 10:34:18 pm
M29 - Archetype, was mod

This is what I wanted to do. I'll probably follow up on where you left off. But I should note that the M29 error made by archetype is actually a meta reference to voltgloss making the error himself, which I referenced above. So it isn't a mod error, it is a town error being referenced by a mod.

But I agree with your findings that indicate such "slips" are rarely, if ever, indicative of alignment. They indicate that a player has been in a QT recently, which may indicate that they are mafia or may indicate they have been in other QTs recently. But I feel like I have said that already. These findings just back that up and show that to follow through with this as a sole reason to lynch someone (or even to vote persistently for them) more often than not results in a mislynch.

Hopefully this is a mute point by now as I haven't caught up on the rest of the thread. If it is... feel free to ignore.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 10:47:57 pm
Also, which post of Hydrad's?

Also, I'm totally not used to you doing anything other than lurking, talking about jetlag, or saying "I'm the doctor!"

I like this new scumhunting version of you!

I personally find it really scummy of EgorK
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 26, 2015, 10:51:46 pm
So : people who played with igua before (as town, preferably) : how did he react to pressure ?

In the RMM game like this, well pretty similar I think. I was the mod there. In the other game... can't talk about. Go see for yourself if you really want to know.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 26, 2015, 10:53:07 pm
Just got home from Thanksgiving at the relatives!  I'll hopefully have some time tomorrow to dig through the thread.  I'll make it a point to do so since so many posts have happened already.  Just a heads up though, have to drive several hours so might be somewhat MIA tomorrow as well.  I'll do my best, though!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 26, 2015, 11:21:14 pm
Okay, just read over everything for the 1st time. 

Yuma: seems legit for now.  Could be the boldest of bold fakeclaims, but usually that seems to come from players who've just had an exceptionally bad or frustrating game and want to shake things up with bold play.  Yuma just finished modding.  Who knows... maybe taking out mod frustration on us all?  Nah...  :P

Vote: Teproc   I am at least 50% confident Teproc is scum, purely on feel.  (I acknowledge I've never played with them before, and could be misreading style.)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 27, 2015, 12:12:18 am
Still v/la. There will be a lot of catching up for me to do, but I will do my best to read along. A lot is going on, and I have thoughts, but no time to post them right now
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 27, 2015, 01:16:49 am
So...what do we want to talk about? I feel like I am the scummiest person right now, which is pretty bad for ol' RR. Sadly, I can't talk about current games. But I feel like I'll make one joke and the entire game will fall on top of me.

At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 27, 2015, 03:10:31 am
At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?

So they are your scum partners?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 27, 2015, 04:19:22 am
I'm here.

Sorry to miss so much.  I really struggle in the first day or so of mafia games, you can be gone for just a few hours and get massively behind.  I'm still behind, so won't vote for anyone yet, but I will say that I'm getting mild scum vibes from SS, just gut really.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 27, 2015, 06:36:46 am
Also, which post of Hydrad's?

Also, I'm totally not used to you doing anything other than lurking, talking about jetlag, or saying "I'm the doctor!"

I like this new scumhunting version of you!

I personally find it really scummy of EgorK

I also got a scum vibe from Egor... at the same time I don't want to discourage activity. I've seen Egor more active on D1s before, usually he falls back into his old ways later on.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 27, 2015, 06:37:43 am
At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?

 ???
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 27, 2015, 06:39:30 am
Anyway I don't feel like voting for silver anymore.

Vote: Egor
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 27, 2015, 07:15:06 am
Is the case on me that qI am more active than usual?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 27, 2015, 08:36:22 am
At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?

 ???

I think his logic (at least for me) is something along the lines of "I like him and got to meet him in person, so I will assume he's town."

Perhaps for Faust he is thinking of Faust's constant and excessive defense of him? I have no clue, that one is harder to figure out...

Anyway, Sorry RR, but you get no such pass from me : /
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 27, 2015, 11:15:06 am
Leaving for VLA. Not back til Sunday evening. Will have zero access. Ok with vote on ss but prob less confident than before. Could vote for egork. Would vote for you know who. No real strong reads otherwise.

Who was it that suspected teproc just barely? I thought that post a bit scummy, not suspecting teproc but the way it was presented. Don't have time to go back and look now.

Play nice! See you later!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 27, 2015, 11:56:52 am
Is the case on me that qI am more active than usual?

I think you're active, but not really productive, which is slightly scummy. Also gut.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 27, 2015, 12:04:18 pm
At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?

 ???

I think his logic (at least for me) is something along the lines of "I like him and got to meet him in person, so I will assume he's town."

Perhaps for Faust he is thinking of Faust's constant and excessive defense of him? I have no clue, that one is harder to figure out...

Anyway, Sorry RR, but you get no such pass from me : /
No, the case is 'I feel like I have interacted with them in particular in Mafia, they can read me very easily.'

I won't try the tactic you mentioned until I'm at like L-2.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 27, 2015, 12:46:12 pm
Is the case on me that qI am more active than usual?

I think you're active, but not really productive, which is slightly scummy. Also gut.

I just really don't see much going around. Yuma's claim is some linear combination of VT and named townie for me. Iguana case was interesting, but he persuaded me and came out even townie out of it. Hydrad seems scummy to me. You feels strange, but you aleays feel strange. Teproc is null, silver is slight town, others had not done much
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 27, 2015, 03:08:43 pm
At work. Just don't want to forget to post in 24 hours. Will talk more tonight
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 27, 2015, 04:06:25 pm
I'm here again, and have looked through everything.  Sorry to be so in-and-out.  Disclaimer:  I may have missed some detail in this.

So far I have a very mild set of reads, including but perhaps not entirely limited to:
towny-side-of-null: RR, igu, Teproc, yuma (this is probably influenced by his claim)
scummy-side-of-null: EgorK, I've not played with him before but there's some weirdness there.  This post has already been picked up on, but I found it super super weird:

Ok, I am persuaded

Vote: Hydrad. His last post is really weird, in scum Hydrad weird way
In case anyone's forgotten, Hydrad's last post was one about an hour and half earlier, with several intervening EgorK posts, and it was only four words long: "fair enough I guess?"

I mean, what is there to take from that?  I don't get it.

And on rereading I still find SS scummy.  Probably the strongest of all my reads, not that any are superstrong (geddit) at this point or anything.  His behaviour re. the alleged scumslip is just bizarre and scummylooking.
vote: SS
That's 5, I think?  If I'm wrong and it's 6 I'll unvote, I don't want L-1 yet I don't think.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 27, 2015, 04:23:00 pm
mhpf. I thought we got over this. why don't you understand that I am town?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 27, 2015, 04:25:02 pm
s stands for innocent
i stands for town
l stands for innocent
v stands for innocent town
e stands for innocent child
r stands for well you get the idea
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 27, 2015, 04:26:28 pm
Hmf.  Actually, much as this looks like I'm just insta-caving, I just had a thought that makes me not like an SS vote any more.

unvote

Bear with me while i think of somewhere else to put it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 27, 2015, 04:27:38 pm
Hmf.  Actually, much as this looks like I'm just insta-caving, I just had a thought that makes me not like an SS vote any more.

unvote

Bear with me while i think of somewhere else to put it.

ha, my defense was too mighty
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 27, 2015, 04:30:22 pm
Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 27, 2015, 04:34:08 pm
Vote: Haddock
:o

vote: Egor is what I've come to, by the way.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 27, 2015, 04:56:01 pm
Is the case on me that qI am more active than usual?

I think you're active, but not really productive, which is slightly scummy. Also gut.

I just really don't see much going around. Yuma's claim is some linear combination of VT and named townie for me. Iguana case was interesting, but he persuaded me and came out even townie out of it. Hydrad seems scummy to me. You feels strange, but you aleays feel strange. Teproc is null, silver is slight town, others had not done much

I agree Faust seems a bit strange here. The Day 1 Faust I am used to is leading the way, reading heavily into the smallest of tells, tunneling people and picking apart their reactions on his hunt for scum.

Admittedly, that was Traitor!Faust in RMM28, but as traitor I think his first priority was to act more or less identically to town!Faust until he figured out who his partners were.

Why the change in attitude, scum!hunting!God!of!F!DS?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 27, 2015, 05:41:24 pm
Haddock, you are missing context of Hydrad post, namely quote and his vote at the time (still same I think?)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 27, 2015, 05:47:10 pm
Haddock, you are missing context of Hydrad post, namely quote and his vote at the time (still same I think?)
You'll have to tell me who he was voting for, I can't track it, but I saw the quote, I don't think it really changes much...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 27, 2015, 05:59:24 pm
I have null reads on everyone.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 27, 2015, 06:41:14 pm
I agree Faust seems a bit strange here. The Day 1 Faust I am used to is leading the way, reading heavily into the smallest of tells, tunneling people and picking apart their reactions on his hunt for scum.

Admittedly, that was Traitor!Faust in RMM28, but as traitor I think his first priority was to act more or less identically to town!Faust until he figured out who his partners were.

Why the change in attitude, scum!hunting!God!of!F!DS?

You know, this has been brought up before (silver I think) and it just really bugs me. People expect me to somehow magically move the game forward and be this amazeballs scumhunter so they can stop acting and thinking for themselves. This is your job as much as it is mine. I am sick and tired of being "the leader of town" every time around; but god beware should I be wrong. Then I am obvscum and need to be instalynched on the following day!

Now it seems you are trying to imply that I am scummy for not being a leading voice and not tunneling people. This is bullshit, and I have shown time and time again that I am perfectly capable of emulating that meta as scum and win. You people fall for it every time. Isn't it great to have me around: If you lose because I am scum, you get to say "well, who can figure out faust anyway?", if you lose and I am town, you get to blame me and don't have to take responsiblity yourself, and if you win and I am town well that's good.

To which I say, grow up. Get a grip. I am not any better at this game than you could be if you just put a little more of an effort into it. And took some responsibility.

Rant over.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 27, 2015, 07:10:44 pm
Hmm,

Good points! I don't want you to lead the town either! I'd rather put in the effort myself : )

But I am at a loss for now, until more people post some more thorough reads, that is.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 27, 2015, 07:55:37 pm
Man, you just let Faust talk you down. Read your sig!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 27, 2015, 08:04:36 pm
uhm... no.

I mean, sure, you can be frustrated if you want. but you can't stop people from giving you scum points for not being as big of a presence. You can argue that it's an inaccurate tell (as you did), but it's not unfair or unmannered to use it as a tell. you don't control why people find you scummy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 27, 2015, 08:43:16 pm
Man, you just let Faust talk you down. Read your sig!

Eh...

I try not to kick people when they are down? Faust sounds frustrated with all the crap he's been getting lately, and to be fair I'm responsible for a fair portion of that.

It's not like I'm giving him town points for it. But I'd like to see a lot of people get a bit more involved in this game, not just Faust. There is plenty to go off of right now.

Like you, for instance! What exactly has WW contributed again?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 01:51:41 am
Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

I want to be proactive, but there's really nothing I can do. Even if I had reads, my reads are more inaccurate than my views on Scout.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 28, 2015, 05:22:32 am
Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

I want to be proactive, but there's really nothing I can do. Even if I had reads, my reads are more inaccurate than my views on Scout.

sometimes it can be hard to talk. It might get easier once thanksgiving and black friday stuff ends? I dunno.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 08:22:25 am
Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

I want to be proactive, but there's really nothing I can do. Even if I had reads, my reads are more inaccurate than my views on Scout.

So you admit that your views on scout are inaccurate? Are you scum? Real Roadrunner would never do that!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 09:32:30 am
Guys.  I have teh feelz on Teproc.  Guyyyyyys.  :P
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 09:34:48 am
(Trying to get some convo started instead of "no you start it!" even though that level of care and concern is totes adorbs.  Ignoring me is an acceptable, but lamentable alternative.)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 09:44:24 am
Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

I want to be proactive, but there's really nothing I can do. Even if I had reads, my reads are more inaccurate than my views on Scout.

So you admit that your views on scout are inaccurate? Are you scum? Real Roadrunner would never do that!
No, no no. I'm saying my reads are very accurate, and the only thing more accurate than them are my views on Scout.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 09:51:54 am
Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

I want to be proactive, but there's really nothing I can do. Even if I had reads, my reads are more inaccurate than my views on Scout.

So you admit that your views on scout are inaccurate? Are you scum? Real Roadrunner would never do that!
No, no no. I'm saying my reads are very accurate, and the only thing more accurate than them are my views on Scout.

What are your reads?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 09:52:12 am
Guys.  I have teh feelz on Teproc.  Guyyyyyys.  :P

What feeling is that?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 10:34:32 am
I feel he is at least 50% chance of being scum.  I have nothing to back it up other than a sense that they're just going along with the crowd, playing a traditional safe day 1 scum.  Nothing extraordinary, nothing too dull.  As said before, I've never played them (him? yes?), so I could be off, but man.  Teh feelz.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 10:45:37 am
I feel he is at least 50% chance of being scum.  I have nothing to back it up other than a sense that they're just going along with the crowd, playing a traditional safe day 1 scum.  Nothing extraordinary, nothing too dull.  As said before, I've never played them (him? yes?), so I could be off, but man.  Teh feelz.

Teproc is a guy, according to his forum profile.

And couldn't I just as easily turn this logic around on you? With your shocking total of six posts?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 11:03:37 am
yeah, I have my fair share of doubts about this 50% scum read.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:18:02 am
I see where yellow Pokemon guy is coming from, but I don't think he understands what 50% means. At around 30% you go after the person furiously. At 40%, you refuse to go after anyone else.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 11:24:27 am
At around 30% you go after the person furiously.

I doubt that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:25:26 am
At around 30% you go after the person furiously.

I doubt that.
I can't talk about current games.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:25:45 am
But 0% is a null read.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 11:28:53 am
But 0% is a null read.

no, the % is the likeliness of being scum. 0% means you are 100% sure someone is town. 25% in this case is a null read. Everything above is scummy, everything below towny.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:30:25 am
But 0% is a null read.

no, the % is the likeliness of being scum. 0% means you are 100% sure someone is town. 25% in this case is a null read. Everything above is scummy, everything below towny.
Wouldn't it be 50%? Where everything above is scummy, everything below is towny?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 11:38:03 am
But 0% is a null read.

no, the % is the likeliness of being scum. 0% means you are 100% sure someone is town. 25% in this case is a null read. Everything above is scummy, everything below towny.
Wouldn't it be 50%? Where everything above is scummy, everything below is towny?

No. I made the same mistake here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13975.msg536944#msg536944) in RMM28. You adjust percentages for the fact that the game should not be 50% scum (or town wouldn't stand a chance of winning.)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:41:39 am
Ah, I see.

This is why I don't use percents.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 28, 2015, 11:42:15 am
Wouldn't it be 50%? Where everything above is scummy, everything below is towny?

Well, mostly it just comes down to how you communicate your thoughts to others. It's fine to use a rating scale where 50% is null if you say that's how you do it, but Ampharos said he was thinking 50% was the likelihood of Teproc being scum, which is way way higher than the likelihood of any given player being scum. I personally prefer to describe my reads in votes and words rather than numbers, but it's all up to you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 28, 2015, 11:43:28 am
Well, mostly just the votes.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 28, 2015, 11:58:38 am
Well, mostly just the votes.
+1.


Yeah there's conventions and stuff but the way you express yourself is entirely up to you.
Do I like Ampharos here?  I don't know to be honest, I know nothing about him. 
His fairly high-confidence scumread is a bit strange.  If he did mean 50% to mean literally "50% chance they're scum."
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on November 28, 2015, 12:18:14 pm
Vote Count 1.3:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (3): yuma Hydrad, faust
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): iguanaiguana
Ampharos (1): silverspawn
Teproc (1): Ampharos
faust (1): EgorK
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 12:25:16 pm
vote: WW
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 28, 2015, 12:28:27 pm
vote: WW

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMNG2h4CQAI2dtY.jpg)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 12:45:03 pm
I feel he is at least 50% chance of being scum.  I have nothing to back it up other than a sense that they're just going along with the crowd, playing a traditional safe day 1 scum.  Nothing extraordinary, nothing too dull.  As said before, I've never played them (him? yes?), so I could be off, but man.  Teh feelz.

Teproc is a guy, according to his forum profile.

And couldn't I just as easily turn this logic around on you? With your shocking total of six posts?

Of course you could!  I'd be glad to have an in-depth conversation with you for all to see about my potential townness or lack thereof.  However, I'm guessing we won't because you're already pretty sure I'm town.  But that is of course up to you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 12:50:06 pm
You know what yellow PokŤmon guy? Let's talk about how you may be scum.

You're the wild card. We don't know how you behave as scum. Wouldn't it be the safe thing to lynch you because we don't know how you behave as scum?

(I'm playing devil's advocate)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 12:58:46 pm
Fair.  I think the standard thing for scum is to try to float by, looking useful without causing too much of a stir.  There are exceptions, (Faust in the RMM game that just finished), but especially for people as myself who have played maybe 15 forum games total, we tend to not get TOO crazy as scum, especially early when not pressure.  Of course, having just said all that, it makes everything I do as potential scum WIFOM, but hey.  That's the game. 

I don't agree with lynching me because you don't know how I play as scum.  You want to lynch someone that either has a good potential of being scum (which really based on my playstyle I wouldn't lynch myself yet if I were another person in this game), or someone who will give boatloads of info on a flip.  Just lynching people cause you don't know how they play isn't very productive. 

Now, if the game goes later and you still have no idea if I'm scum or not, then you seriously start asking yourself: could this guy be scum?  But again you will probably end up realizing I'm not.  Course, I can't make up your mind for you; I'm just being honest about what you will probably end up thinking. 

Good stuff.  As Peyton Manning once said: "I like it."
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 01:09:46 pm
okay, vote: Ampharos

great job RR
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 01:10:03 pm
sigh vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 28, 2015, 01:15:20 pm
Eh?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 28, 2015, 01:22:17 pm
Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 28, 2015, 01:22:47 pm
A lot of water from Ampharos. Reason to do this as either alignment escapes me
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 28, 2015, 01:37:11 pm
Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.

no, I'm voting for you because you already said something scummy. Not looking to change it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 01:42:50 pm
okay, vote: Ampharos

great job RR
I did I thing?

What was his slip?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 05:35:24 pm
Hello? Why did the game quiet down a ton?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 28, 2015, 06:33:29 pm
Hello? Why did the game quiet down a ton?
Some kind of holiday weekend in the US, isn't it?  Not sure.

Anyway, not sure what to say at this point.  I want to hear more from Ampharos before I come down either way for him.  Struggling with everyone else.

I just want to say well said re. faust's thing.  I've only played a couple of games, but it does seem like people put a lot on faust in terms of expecting him to scumhunt for them.  It just seems like such a bad idea.  It's a teambased game, you can't rely on one person.  Particularly since sometimes he's scum.
I don't think it can be a scumtell for him to scumhunt less (if indeed he is doing so).  Scum!faust surely goes out of his way to appear to scumhunt as much as town!faust usually does.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 28, 2015, 10:37:36 pm
Ya I`m guessing monday it will pick up again.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 28, 2015, 10:38:09 pm
okay, vote: Ampharos

great job RR

But I`m also kinda curious where the RR thanking came from.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 28, 2015, 10:38:48 pm
You know what yellow PokŤmon guy? Let's talk about how you may be scum.

You're the wild card. We don't know how you behave as scum. Wouldn't it be the safe thing to lynch you because we don't know how you behave as scum?

(I'm playing devil's advocate)

Oh nvm I`m guessing it was this post. Somehow I missed it when I first posted.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 28, 2015, 11:08:11 pm
Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.

no, I'm voting for you because you already said something scummy. Not looking to change it.

Looks like we found something we agree on.

Vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 28, 2015, 11:38:24 pm
What was it that he said?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 29, 2015, 12:03:03 am
He said:

Fair.  I think the standard thing for scum is to try to float by, looking useful without causing too much of a stir.  There are exceptions, (Faust in the RMM game that just finished), but especially for people as myself who have played maybe 15 forum games total, we tend to not get TOO crazy as scum, especially early when not pressure.  Of course, having just said all that, it makes everything I do as potential scum WIFOM, but hey.  That's the game. 

I don't agree with lynching me because you don't know how I play as scum.  You want to lynch someone that either has a good potential of being scum (which really based on my playstyle I wouldn't lynch myself yet if I were another person in this game), or someone who will give boatloads of info on a flip.  Just lynching people cause you don't know how they play isn't very productive. 

Now, if the game goes later and you still have no idea if I'm scum or not, then you seriously start asking yourself: could this guy be scum?  But again you will probably end up realizing I'm not.  Course, I can't make up your mind for you; I'm just being honest about what you will probably end up thinking. 

Good stuff.  As Peyton Manning once said: "I like it."
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 29, 2015, 12:38:28 am
No, Awaclus, what was his scum tell? :-\
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 29, 2015, 07:02:18 am
Vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 07:31:30 am
His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical
- LOOK, I TOTALLY DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE!

These are the most important ones.

There's also

- Look, I consider your scum read on me to be valid
- Look, I am totally calm about the option of lynching me and am judging it objectively
- Obligatory 'you will realize I'm town' near the end

All of those (except maybe the last one if you take it out of context) are more likely to be from fairly new scum than fairly new town
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 07:45:35 am
Those are actually good points.

What do you think about Haddock?
 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 08:15:23 am
His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical
- LOOK, I TOTALLY DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE!

These are the most important ones.

There's also

- Look, I consider your scum read on me to be valid
- Look, I am totally calm about the option of lynching me and am judging it objectively
- Obligatory 'you will realize I'm town' near the end

All of those (except maybe the last one if you take it out of context) are more likely to be from fairly new scum than fairly new town

I'M NOT CALM ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY!!!! IT IS FREAKING ME OUT!
I AM SO TOTALLY PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE, SO MUCH THAT IT MAKES ME TYPE IN CAPS AND MISS PUNCUTATION!!!111oneoneone

But wait!  For only $29.99 more, you get:

Your scum read of me is totally not valid in any way!
I am peeing my pants cause I'm so scared about getting lynched!
You'll never get the fact that I'm town, so why try?


----------

In all seriousness, that last one is kinda true.  I see what you're doing, but you're just wasting my time (I would say our time but technically you don't know my role, so you get a pass this time.). Go at least look at Teproc.  Also, consider the fact that I'm not that new (around 15 forum games and several hundred irc) and have developed my own playstyle.

(There are 15 scum tells in the above sentences; if you don't get them all, you're scum!!!!1111 one)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 08:25:13 am
Those are actually good points.

What do you think about Haddock?
 

I think he was scummy, but I don't remember why.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 08:26:14 am
Also, consider the fact that I'm not that new (around 15 forum games and several hundred irc

mafia games? or just games?

in case of the latter, how does that make you any less new?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 08:28:06 am
Mafia games.

Also, I realize the above was probably not the best way to clear myself as town.  It was a bit too passiveaggressive, soz.

Better is to say: How can I help you realize I'm town?  I want to clear myself as fast as possible so we can move on.  Thanks :)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 08:30:32 am
did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 29, 2015, 09:34:30 am
Hum dum. I'm not sure about this whole AtE thing. I would love to read one of Ampharos's prior scum games.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 09:44:00 am
did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?

None that are on publically accessable forums, sorry  :(

Plus they are under different names so I could just be making it up. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 29, 2015, 09:47:28 am
Better is to say: How can I help you realize I'm town?  I want to clear myself as fast as possible so we can move on.  Thanks :)

Play in a way which shows beyond doubt your town narrative.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 29, 2015, 09:48:02 am
did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?

None that are on publically accessable forums, sorry  :(

Plus they are under different names so I could just be making it up.

So describe to me how you play as scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 10:14:38 am
My big problem with Ampharos claiming to be a veteran here is that he's not really doing anything to help town very much...

I mean, 'take a look at Teproc' does me little good when I already have taken a look at Teproc and what I see is pretty null. What am I supposed to be looking for? 'Teh Feelz'?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 10:18:23 am
Teproc hasn't done anything out of character yet
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 29, 2015, 10:20:24 am
My big problem with Ampharos claiming to be a veteran here is that he's not really doing anything to help town very much...

I mean, 'take a look at Teproc' does me little good when I already have taken a look at Teproc and what I see is pretty null. What am I supposed to be looking for? 'Teh Feelz'?

To be fair, Hydrad has also played above 15 forum mafia games I'm sure, and I don't remember him doing much for town either.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 10:25:56 am
Hydrad is just around for the ride, man.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 29, 2015, 10:37:01 am
Vote: Yellow PokŤmon Guy
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 10:56:11 am
My big problem with Ampharos claiming to be a veteran here is that he's not really doing anything to help town very much...

I mean, 'take a look at Teproc' does me little good when I already have taken a look at Teproc and what I see is pretty null. What am I supposed to be looking for? 'Teh Feelz'?

To be fair, Hydrad has also played above 15 forum mafia games I'm sure, and I don't remember him doing much for town either.

Good point! So who's been lurking the most? Here's a quick survey, just counting posts (it also includes pre-game posts so it it's a little innacurate:

e: 6 posts (this is just obligatory; e has already explained that he's completely V/LA) right now)
Awaclus: 10 posts
EgorK: 12 posts
Ampharos: 12 posts
Hydrad: 15 posts

Note that this isn't necessarily the best way to record lurking. For instance, Haddock only has 17 posts, but most of those 17 posts have a fair amount of content; I wouldn't really call him a lurker.

Nevertheless, this is a lot of lurking for one game! Some (maybe most) of it can be explained as being due to the (holiday) weekend, but maybe some explanations are in order?

Ampharos is already getting scrutiny, so that leaves...

Awaclus, EgorK, Hydrad:

What's with the lurkiness?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 10:57:15 am
I don't think there is an "obligation" to actively help town. I think the community still benefits from having Hydrad around.

But Ampharos is just saying 'hey, I'm not a noob, so these noob scum tells don't work on me'. Man, that's not a good argument.

I also don't really give a lot of credit to 'I have played mafia IRL' because afaik it's something very different. the 1 of 1 cases of people who claimed to have played mafia IRL but not via forum very total noobs in their first forum game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 10:59:34 am
None that are on publically accessable forums, sorry  :(

was the style comparable to the one here? long days? serious effort? intelligent people?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 11:00:33 am
EBWOF very -> were
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 29, 2015, 11:01:46 am
Awaclus, EgorK, Hydrad:

What's with the lurkiness?

There are other reasons that I can talk about later, and some other other reasons that I won't be able to talk about ever, but one reason was that I was sick and not at home.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 11:48:25 am
did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?

None that are on publically accessable forums, sorry  :(

Plus they are under different names so I could just be making it up.

So describe to me how you play as scum.

I try to emulate my normal carefree manner, but tend to not try anything too fancy or attention grabbing.  So not as crazed as normal but still moderately crazed.  I don't want to tell all my secret little stuff I tend to do so that when I am scum I can use them in other games, but this game is not it. 

Summary: My scum games are much chiller than normal.  Sometimes.  Cause WIFOM.  Or #yolo. 

(I can envision the QT facepalming right now "wtf is he doing".  Hi mom!)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 12:02:12 pm
You mean the speccy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 29, 2015, 12:37:02 pm
My big problem with Ampharos claiming to be a veteran here is that he's not really doing anything to help town very much...

I mean, 'take a look at Teproc' does me little good when I already have taken a look at Teproc and what I see is pretty null. What am I supposed to be looking for? 'Teh Feelz'?

To be fair, Hydrad has also played above 15 forum mafia games I'm sure, and I don't remember him doing much for town either.

One day i'll be useful!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 29, 2015, 12:39:28 pm
I like playing with Hydrad in Mafia.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 29, 2015, 12:39:35 pm
also yellow pokemon guy is interesting. I wasn't expecting his playstyle to be like this at all. although I guess its a bit different then a new players if hes had other games of experience.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 29, 2015, 05:32:05 pm
At the airport about to board my flight home. I will try to get something down when I get back (about 8 hours)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 05:43:47 pm
You mean the speccy?

Yeperrino!

I sat there for a while wondering what else QT could mean, then realized I forgot some factions have them too  :P
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 29, 2015, 05:47:32 pm
Just checking in.

I'm no longer so sure about Yellow PokŤmon Guy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 05:58:28 pm
@Ampharos

Any particular reason we didn't hear all this theory from you during your first game?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 06:20:32 pm
Back and wii catch up at some point soon
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 06:38:22 pm
I agree Faust seems a bit strange here. The Day 1 Faust I am used to is leading the way, reading heavily into the smallest of tells, tunneling people and picking apart their reactions on his hunt for scum.

Admittedly, that was Traitor!Faust in RMM28, but as traitor I think his first priority was to act more or less identically to town!Faust until he figured out who his partners were.

Why the change in attitude, scum!hunting!God!of!F!DS?

I am sure faust will have something to say about this, but I have to say that 1. I think i disagree with the assessment of faust to begin with and 2. I disagree with the entire premise
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 06:41:31 pm
Vote Count 1.3:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (3): yuma Hydrad, faust
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): iguanaiguana
Ampharos (1): silverspawn
Teproc (1): Ampharos
faust (1): EgorK
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

Wow. I don't think I have ever seen so many single (1) votes before. That is pretty impressive guys... Well done!

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 06:47:13 pm
So caught up...

Most of the attention has been on Ampharos and probably that is justified... the quote that I sympathized the most with was this:

A lot of water from Ampharos. Reason to do this as either alignment escapes me

What I am seeing is weird play, not scummy play. It is important to separate out the two. It might be scum playing weird, but given how little we know of Ampharos meta I can't really make any firm judgement about it.

What does stand out is the person who is pushing to lynch said "weird playing" person the most. Conveniently that happens to be the person I am voting for? So I'll leave my vote where it was and encourage others to go that way as well.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 07:01:36 pm
What does stand out is the person who is pushing to lynch said "weird playing" person the most. Conveniently that happens to be the person I am voting for? So I'll leave my vote where it was and encourage others to go that way as well.

that's a thoroughly bad idea, and I don't appreciate you pretending like I am pushing Amph because he is 'weird'. I'm not even sure if I used the word weird. the case was a short list of things that I said are more likely to come from scum than town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 07:08:16 pm
What does stand out is the person who is pushing to lynch said "weird playing" person the most. Conveniently that happens to be the person I am voting for? So I'll leave my vote where it was and encourage others to go that way as well.

that's a thoroughly bad idea, and I don't appreciate you pretending like I am pushing Amph because he is 'weird'. I'm not even sure if I used the word weird. the case was a short list of things that I said are more likely to come from scum than town.

weird is my interpretation of his play and posts. never said that you said it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 07:12:58 pm
aren't you saying that here?

What does stand out is the person who is pushing to lynch said "weird playing" person the most.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 29, 2015, 07:15:42 pm
aren't you saying that here?

What does stand out is the person who is pushing to lynch said "weird playing" person the most.

I can see how you might have interpreted my post that way. The phrase in quotes: "weird playing" is my reference as a substitution for Ampharos, see above in the post that you quoted where I make that statement. So that is the statement I am quoting, not yours.

But you are pushing his lynch, yes? So I feel the premise and the intent of my point about you stands.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 07:30:19 pm
Are we pushing anyone's lynch right now? The day ends Dec. 8, and while I definitely want a lynch, it seems like what's in the best interest of town is to put as much scrutiny on as many people as possible before that happens. Letting people fly under the radar is what's bad; that's why I'm voting for Ampharos right now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 29, 2015, 07:34:20 pm
Are we pushing anyone's lynch right now? The day ends Dec. 8, and while I definitely want a lynch, it seems like what's in the best interest of town is to put as much scrutiny on as many people as possible before that happens. Letting people fly under the radar is what's bad; that's why I'm voting for Ampharos right now.

And here I was thinking you were voting for Ampharos because you thought he was scum. Silly me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 29, 2015, 07:46:32 pm
But you are pushing his lynch, yes? So I feel the premise and the intent of my point about you stands.

I definitely was pushing his lynch. After his initial big post, I had a pretty strong scum read.

Now I'm less sure. I, uh, am not sure at all, to be honest.

But I also don't have a better case.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 29, 2015, 08:39:32 pm
@Ampharos

Any particular reason we didn't hear all this theory from you during your first game?

Fair point, I thought about it myself. 

The answer most likely stems from not having played here before, and the fact that was an RMM game. 

Not having played here before:  was feeling site meta, who (in)famous players were, etc.  I'm not big on reading past games, so it was my first taste of how the game is player here.

RMM game:  my role was bodyguard/doctor thingy, and I was sitting in a perfect place to sit back and use that role to the most of it's ability.  I saw no reason to change where things were, so I didn't go all HAM.  This game I'd much rather be a major part of the town discussion/hunt, assuming I make it out of this first day.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 09:23:22 pm
Are we pushing anyone's lynch right now? The day ends Dec. 8, and while I definitely want a lynch, it seems like what's in the best interest of town is to put as much scrutiny on as many people as possible before that happens. Letting people fly under the radar is what's bad; that's why I'm voting for Ampharos right now.

And here I was thinking you were voting for Ampharos because you thought he was scum. Silly me.

Man, I don't know who is scum. If someone posts something strange, self-conscious and a little overconfident (this is how I read a few  of Ampharos' recent posts), then IMO that is more than enough reason to put voting pressure on them. My only point was that I don't want a lynch right now, so saying that I am pushing for someone's lynch because I am voting for them is a little ridiculous.

Yes, I voted for him because some of his comments looked scummy to me. Does that mean I am convinced he is scum on D1 after he makes ~10 posts? No. I am floundering my way through D1 of this game just like everybody else. Anyone could be scum. And the more I can get everyone to talk and explain their reasoning, the better info I have to try to figure out who they are.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 09:25:01 pm
@Ampharos

Any particular reason we didn't hear all this theory from you during your first game?

Fair point, I thought about it myself. 

The answer most likely stems from not having played here before, and the fact that was an RMM game. 

Not having played here before:  was feeling site meta, who (in)famous players were, etc.  I'm not big on reading past games, so it was my first taste of how the game is player here.

RMM game:  my role was bodyguard/doctor thingy, and I was sitting in a perfect place to sit back and use that role to the most of it's ability.  I saw no reason to change where things were, so I didn't go all HAM.  This game I'd much rather be a major part of the town discussion/hunt, assuming I make it out of this first day.

You say you want to be a major part of the scumhut, but all you have contributed so far is something along the lines of 'Teproc gives me a bad feeling.'

I want to hear more. Convince me you are not all talk.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 29, 2015, 09:27:34 pm
scumhut = scumhunt

Lol
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 12:07:06 am
Hello everyone, I am bored. I am also in this corner of the Internet once again. The stuff I've seen...
Anyway, it's super late, and it's usually around this time I'm struck right in the face by inspiration. So, welcome to Roadrunner's Giant and Pointless essays, this one is about Yellow PokŤmon guy. And about how he isn't scum. He accuses Teproc and y'all flip out. So now it's my turn to flip out.
So, first, everyone just wants Teproc to live cause he's back from the dead, he hasn't played forum games since 2004, etc. So as soon as YPG (Yellow Pokemon guy) accuses him, we gotta put YPG down. I ain't doing that. My vote didn't even go through.

And what the heck, guys? Unless he has a huge scum slip, like he says 'my partners,' or something really obvious, you can't accuse him. Anything 'scummy' that he might do could just be a part of his meta. Like how I act like a typical scum so Ashersky (bless his heart) always goes after me. He's never been right! And now I must stand up and defend YPG, not because he is too weak to defend himself, but because no one will listen to him. Like how no one listened to Iguanaiguana in RMM and no one listened to me in Switch (even though Switch Mafia is a terrible example). Apparently N00bs don't get a say.

What else? Oh yeah, apparently I got a scum slip out of him, courtesy of SS. No one has pointed it out. Why haven't they? Oh yeah, because it doesn't flippin' exist.

Faust, WW and Awaclus. Three veterans. They've done next to nothing, besides Faust making things personal with Iguanaiguana and Awaclus quoting entire posts. It's frustrating to me. We have like 10 days and we are going to make the usual mistakes. Draw out D1, guys. Play smart. Destroy this wagon.

Go after me if you want, I don't care. I'm unstoppable. I've never been mislynched, and I never will. Even though everyone will see this essay as scummy and force a claim out of me.

Oh, and Yuma. Is his Internet still down?

Maybe people take Thanksgiving weekend more seriously than I thought they did.

Oh, and here's my threat: I will post one of these, every day, if need be. This only took about ten minutes. I can post more of these. And you will feel inclined to read them. And you will waste time doing so. And I have gotten completely off topic.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 30, 2015, 01:25:20 am
Hello everyone, I am bored. I am also in this corner of the Internet once again. The stuff I've seen...
Anyway, it's super late, and it's usually around this time I'm struck right in the face by inspiration. So, welcome to Roadrunner's Giant and Pointless essays, this one is about Yellow PokŤmon guy. And about how he isn't scum. He accuses Teproc and y'all flip out. So now it's my turn to flip out.
So, first, everyone just wants Teproc to live cause he's back from the dead, he hasn't played forum games since 2004, etc. So as soon as YPG (Yellow Pokemon guy) accuses him, we gotta put YPG down. I ain't doing that. My vote didn't even go through.

And what the heck, guys? Unless he has a huge scum slip, like he says 'my partners,' or something really obvious, you can't accuse him. Anything 'scummy' that he might do could just be a part of his meta. Like how I act like a typical scum so Ashersky (bless his heart) always goes after me. He's never been right! And now I must stand up and defend YPG, not because he is too weak to defend himself, but because no one will listen to him. Like how no one listened to Iguanaiguana in RMM and no one listened to me in Switch (even though Switch Mafia is a terrible example). Apparently N00bs don't get a say.

What else? Oh yeah, apparently I got a scum slip out of him, courtesy of SS. No one has pointed it out. Why haven't they? Oh yeah, because it doesn't flippin' exist.

Faust, WW and Awaclus. Three veterans. They've done next to nothing, besides Faust making things personal with Iguanaiguana and Awaclus quoting entire posts. It's frustrating to me. We have like 10 days and we are going to make the usual mistakes. Draw out D1, guys. Play smart. Destroy this wagon.

Go after me if you want, I don't care. I'm unstoppable. I've never been mislynched, and I never will. Even though everyone will see this essay as scummy and force a claim out of me.

Oh, and Yuma. Is his Internet still down?

Maybe people take Thanksgiving weekend more seriously than I thought they did.

Oh, and here's my threat: I will post one of these, every day, if need be. This only took about ten minutes. I can post more of these. And you will feel inclined to read them. And you will waste time doing so. And I have gotten completely off topic.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 30, 2015, 02:03:29 am
I will claim with Yuma.

er, don't. claiming early is only a good idea if you have a specific reason for i.t
I claim Iron Man

I don't like this.  You see Yuma wanting to claim, then just go and claim (flavor) and never provide additional reasons. 

well that is enough encouragement....

So I am a Random Vig aka The Hulk. I have no control over my power except whether or not to instigate it at night. If I do... someone other than me dies, but I can't choose who.

....

Honestly my main purpose is to get people to think that I am townie because this just isn't a role that makes any sense to fake claim regardless of alignment

I agree.  I see Yuma as town with this claim.

(not using the PR during the night)

Are you telling us that you for sure are not using your power?  Or will you.  (Or maybe I haven't read that far down the thread yet).  Because I don't want you to come back tomorrow after 5 people die overnight (obvious exaggeration) and just come out and say you decided to just use your role when you say you aren't going to.

I would advise some precaution though, something like yuma announces whether or not he shoots prior to each night.

This guy knows what he is talking about here.

I have already stated that I don't plan on using it until the end game anyone seeing me targeting someone until the end game can go ahead and just straight up lynch me as I don't think using it in the early or midgame is a good idea.

ok

....

Then there was a bunch of scumslip stuff, which is meh, then we have

this game is weird

vote: faust for not getting things moving

I don't like this post.  Basically, trying to move us past a discussion that is being had by discrediting the ongoing discussion as pointless and not moving the game forward.  While I agree that the conversation about scumslips is annoying, I think this effort at "getting things moving" without actually doing anything is scummy.

but now the day has actually become productive! so that's great.

town reads on Hydrad, igu, and Awaclus. no scum reads though. that means PoE. PoE means that scum is Ampharos. vote: Ampharos. who even is this guy?

This is after a fun long Iguana/silverspawn back and forth.  I think silverspawn comes out better, then switches randomly to Amphoras after that.

And that is where I am stopping my reread for the night.  I will pick back up again tomorrow.  Probably at night because I have a feeling work is going to be terrible.  And long.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 30, 2015, 02:27:51 am
Vote Count 1.4:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (2): yuma, Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): silverspawn, iguanaiguana, faust
Teproc (1): Ampharos
faust (1): EgorK
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 02:30:11 am
iguana trying to get people in gear. thats good. I like iguana here. you get 5 town points. Now how strong are these town points? I have no idea as I haven't created the scale yet but I assure you its good.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 03:07:32 am
Ashersky (bless his heart) always goes after me. He's never been right!
[...]
I've never been mislynched

You know, you could make stronger point if you wouldn't lie.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 30, 2015, 03:37:21 am
Ashersky (bless his heart) always goes after me. He's never been right!
[...]
I've never been mislynched

You know, you could make stronger point if you wouldn't lie.

Has ashersky ever been right in a game we're allowed to talk about?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 03:53:21 am
Vote Count 1.4:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (2): yuma, Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): silverspawn, iguanaiguana, faust
Teproc (1): Ampharos
faust (1): EgorK
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.

I am pretty sure I was voting Hydrad, not faust. unvote anyway as I fell his posts afterwards are more like old good town!Hydrad. Need to reread stuff that happened over week end
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 05:49:45 am
???
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:45:00 am
Oh, and Yuma. Is his Internet still down?

It is moments like these that make me question whether or not you even read the thread or just post at random about random things. The rest of the post I am quoting was pretty much nonsense as well, but since this part pertains to me I am mentioning it.

Who are you voting for RR? Or who would you be voting for if I had a dayvig that I could threaten you with if you didn't vote for someone?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:48:10 am
Are you telling us that you for sure are not using your power?  Or will you.  (Or maybe I haven't read that far down the thread yet).  Because I don't want you to come back tomorrow after 5 people die overnight (obvious exaggeration) and just come out and say you decided to just use your role when you say you aren't going to.

I am extremely, extremely unlikely to use my role. I won't say I will never use it, just because sometimes things come up (I can't imagine anything in a normal game where that would be the case but who knows with a closed invented setup... such as mafia having a lightening rod?! or ... see I can't really think of anything else...) and I might feel like I need to use it. But if that happens I imagine I will have a really good justification and not just an "I felt like it was probably a good idea" won't be good enough.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 07:48:30 am
Yep Yuma, I regretted that as soon as I sent it. It portrays me in a very bad light. The posts you made recently just slipped my mind.

And I'm voting for no one. Why? I don't have any scum reads. It might be a good idea to vote to put pressure somewhere, but that doesn't feel great right now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:56:01 am
And I'm voting for no one. Why? I don't have any scum reads. It might be a good idea to vote to put pressure somewhere, but that doesn't feel great right now.

Ok. Who are your town reads? Eliminate those people. After that, vote for anyone left over.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 08:33:18 am
But I also don't have a better case.

You know... I don't either. Which, I guess isn't that atypical for a Day1. But I do feel like we have had a good large number of wagons form so far today, so that might be something to look at. Wagon analysis is hard enough when we know the alignment of the person being wagoned, trying to do it without knowing seems more difficult but it is all we really have to go on right now.

The official vote counts are spread pretty thin, so I am going to try and recreate this manually looking for peaks in the wagons.

The peak of the iguana wagon:

iguanaiguana (4): silverspawn, teproc, faust, egork

The peak of the ss wagon:

silverspawn (6): yuma, WW, hydrad, faust, iguana, awalcus

Interesting to note that when people were worried that awaclus had put iguana at L-1, he actually only had 1 vote on him at that point (Teproc)

ampharos (4): ss, iguana, faust, RR (counting RR's vote even though ashersky didn't)

So just looking above I am seeing three people that are involved in all three wagons (either voting for or being voted upon: ss, iguana and faust) so while I don't know what that means it is worth potentially remembering for later.

One other point that I thought worth mentioning there was a moment where iguana unvoted ss and then immediately re-voted him that I thought looked pretty townie. I think scum generally doesn't do that sort of waffling. It is harder to authentically replicate and tends to lead toward unwanted attention that leaves me with a stronger town read on iguana.

I dont' know if I got anything else out of this exercise, but at least I got something... Not sure what I was expecting, but that happens sometimes.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:03:16 am
Sorry for the absence, week-ends are always tough for me. Catching up now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:06:53 am
Vote: Teproc   I am at least 50% confident Teproc is scum, purely on feel.  (I acknowledge I've never played with them before, and could be misreading style.)

Alright then. Unusual. I like it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:09:04 am
Who was it that suspected teproc just barely? I thought that post a bit scummy, not suspecting teproc but the way it was presented. Don't have time to go back and look now.

Obviously I disagree. It's clearly, and openly, based on gut, on a palyer that hadn't gotten any attention before... not the typical early scum vote I think. Granted Ampharos doesn't know me at all so the usual reasons I tend not to suspect Teproc voters don't apply, must remember that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 09:10:42 am
Who was it that suspected teproc just barely? I thought that post a bit scummy, not suspecting teproc but the way it was presented. Don't have time to go back and look now.

Obviously I disagree. It's clearly, and openly, based on gut, on a palyer that hadn't gotten any attention before... not the typical early scum vote I think. Granted Ampharos doesn't know me at all so the usual reasons I tend not to suspect Teproc voters don't apply, must remember that.

I ended up leaning the same way once I actually went back and looked at that post and the others that come after it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:11:20 am
At least Iguanaiguana and Faust know I'm town, right guys?

 ???

I think his logic (at least for me) is something along the lines of "I like him and got to meet him in person, so I will assume he's town."

Perhaps for Faust he is thinking of Faust's constant and excessive defense of him? I have no clue, that one is harder to figure out...

Anyway, Sorry RR, but you get no such pass from me : /
No, the case is 'I feel like I have interacted with them in particular in Mafia, they can read me very easily.'

I won't try the tactic you mentioned until I'm at like L-2.

Very self-aware, I think in a townie way. Scummy self-awareness doesn't go as far as saying "I'll use that tactic later" generally.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:18:28 am
Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.

Loving this. As in, I like this playstyle, though I'm not entirely sure which way it's going. I really should read games for all the people I don't know. I think I'm back to null on Amphares, this reminded me of me in Chococlate Factory, a reference... one whole person will know in this game. Long story short, I was newbie scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:20:52 am
Wait, two people actually, faust and yuma.

His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical
- LOOK, I TOTALLY DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE!

These are the most important ones.

There's also

- Look, I consider your scum read on me to be valid
- Look, I am totally calm about the option of lynching me and am judging it objectively
- Obligatory 'you will realize I'm town' near the end

All of those (except maybe the last one if you take it out of context) are more likely to be from fairly new scum than fairly new town

I'M NOT CALM ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY!!!! IT IS FREAKING ME OUT!
I AM SO TOTALLY PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE, SO MUCH THAT IT MAKES ME TYPE IN CAPS AND MISS PUNCUTATION!!!111oneoneone

But wait!  For only $29.99 more, you get:

Your scum read of me is totally not valid in any way!
I am peeing my pants cause I'm so scared about getting lynched!
You'll never get the fact that I'm town, so why try?


----------

In all seriousness, that last one is kinda true.  I see what you're doing, but you're just wasting my time (I would say our time but technically you don't know my role, so you get a pass this time.). Go at least look at Teproc.  Also, consider the fact that I'm not that new (around 15 forum games and several hundred irc) and have developed my own playstyle.

(There are 15 scum tells in the above sentences; if you don't get them all, you're scum!!!!1111 one)

Ooh boy.

did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?

This.

did you really play about 15 forum mafia games? can you provide links?

None that are on publically accessable forums, sorry  :(

Plus they are under different names so I could just be making it up.

Boo.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:21:34 am
Vote: Yellow PokŤmon Guy

For the record, I disapprove of this... nickname ? I'd much prefer if we stuck to easily understandable abreviations if we must.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:25:53 am
@Ampharos

Any particular reason we didn't hear all this theory from you during your first game?

Fair point, I thought about it myself. 

The answer most likely stems from not having played here before, and the fact that was an RMM game. 

Not having played here before:  was feeling site meta, who (in)famous players were, etc.  I'm not big on reading past games, so it was my first taste of how the game is player here.

RMM game:  my role was bodyguard/doctor thingy, and I was sitting in a perfect place to sit back and use that role to the most of it's ability.  I saw no reason to change where things were, so I didn't go all HAM.  This game I'd much rather be a major part of the town discussion/hunt, assuming I make it out of this first day.

Much townier already.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:28:32 am
Ashersky (bless his heart) always goes after me. He's never been right!
[...]
I've never been mislynched

You know, you could make stronger point if you wouldn't lie.

Has ashersky ever been right in a game we're allowed to talk about?

Common misconception, ash is actually a very good scumhunter. It's such that the more convinced he is of being right, the less like he is to be.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 09:29:39 am
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 09:31:52 am
unfortunately, that's my only strong read.

still no idea what to make of Amph

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 09:32:28 am
We could lynch Awaclus? He's scum all the time

vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:36:24 am
Alright, so. Takeaways :

silver is very townie. His impatience was a little weird and his faust vote was unwarranted, but his reaction to Ampharos was on-point.

RR is pretty townie too. A big post like that, at a point where nothing was going on, that's unlikely to earn him many town points becuase he'll likely stay compromising stuff... smells townie to me.

yuma is yuma. Who knows. Claim makes his townie though.

Ampharos... well that's the big question isn't it ? I'm leaning town overall. I'll have to look at that RMM game though.

Awaclus is being his usual anti-town self. So... null.

Haddock has a lot of empty posts, Egork is strangely active and e did a pretty non-commital catchup post, those are all mildly scummy.

Which leaves... ah yes, iguana. Oh, and Hydrad, but that's just because I forgot about him, let's say null for that.

I like my vote on iguana as it stands, but I'll take a look at his other games on here, see if there's something to be found there.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 09:40:47 am
Man, I think I need to step up my activity level if I'm already forgotten on reads lists...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:41:52 am
Man, I think I need to step up my activity level if I'm already forgotten on reads lists...

To be fair I didn't initially inted to make it a reads list. You're slightly townie, if you must know.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 09:51:38 am
That last series of posts by iguana gave me scum feels. But something from earlier made me think he is town, don't remember what that was... ah yes, found it:

I guess Unvote for now.
Blah. A reread doesn't make you look less scummy at all.

Vote: Silverspawn
So I guess I'm torn. iguana is active though, that a good thing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 09:52:52 am
Well Teproc's response to Ampharos going after him strikes me as scummy, kind of in a buddying way.  Though actually I agree with most of Teproc's reads list, though I don't think I'd say that Silver is "very townie", and I don't really think Iguana is scummy.

Egor, Haddock,   and maybe Ampharos look good for lynching.

And, obviously, Awaclus.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 09:54:46 am
And, obviously, Awaclus.

Obviously
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 30, 2015, 09:56:38 am
Haddock has a lot of empty posts, ... mildly scummy.
:(
What happened to this?
Haddock is town by the way, just putting it down now so that I'll remember when rereading.

No but seriously, I know I've not been around much, sorry.  I am following along, I'm just much more invested in my other game at the moment, and am generally busy.

There's a lot going on here, but my reads haven't changed much since my last post.  I can't explain right now why I find SS scummy, and my reasons may yet prove to be grounded in a false assumption (that's all I can say at this point), so I'm not voting him.

Other things:
I don't see Ampharos as being at all scummy really. 
Still getting towny vibes from Igu, and actually from Awa as well, much as that scares me.

Hydrad has said practically nothing, but this is not unusual.  Though don't his occasional posts usually actually contain proper content?  Most of Hydrad's stuff has been fluff.  Not liking it.  Scumpoints?

Finding Hydrad a tiny bit scummy makes my vote on Egor slightly weaker, but Egor is still lurking like crazy so I'll leave my vote there.

RR is towny.

I really need to have a look at Teproc.  I get towniness off him, but have never played with him, I dunno.

PPE: Um OK, WW.  I could be accused of lurking I guess, but other than that I don't think you've given reasons.  I know you found my SS thing scummy; as I said I have my reasons for it which I can't explain right now - but why would scum draw attention to themselves like that?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:57:56 am
Well Teproc's response to Ampharos going after him strikes me as scummy, kind of in a buddying way.  Though actually I agree with most of Teproc's reads list, though I don't think I'd say that Silver is "very townie", and I don't really think Iguana is scummy.

Well, someone has to take up Eevee's mantle.

Incidentally : you weren't on my reads lynch either. That's because I've given up, and generally hope one of us is dead before my read on you starts to matter. Null, in other words.

PPE : You know, I don't like this. Lynch scum, not anti-town. A town!Awaclus lynch day 1 is always a disaster.

PPE 2 : Hey, you're right Haddock, I had forgotten about that ! I'll go see what it was all about after I'm done with the iguana thing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 09:59:35 am
but why would scum draw attention to themselves like that?

This doesn't make sense.. how would you know what you would do would draw attention to yourself if you don't know why I find you scummy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 30, 2015, 10:08:15 am
Awaclus is being his usual anti-town self. So... null.

I'm not anti-town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 10:11:23 am
Awaclus is being his usual anti-town self. So... null.

I'm not anti-town.

Never compromising on one's meta because "well, it's my meta", is anti-town.

But I think we know I won't convince you and you won't convince me, so... let's move on.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 30, 2015, 10:11:49 am
but why would scum draw attention to themselves like that?

This doesn't make sense.. how would you know what you would do would draw attention to yourself if you don't know why I find you scummy?
It makes perfect sense:
PPE: Um OK, WW.  I could be accused of lurking I guess, but other than that I don't think you've given reasons.  I know you found my SS thing scummy; as I said I have my reasons for it which I can't explain right now - but why would scum draw attention to themselves like that?
If it's not clear, what I'm saying is that I think you're voting me because of my behaviour re. silverspawn. 
Which was an odd thing for me to do, and really conspicuous.  I stand by what I did; I'm saying I don't think scum would do something as conspicuous as that without some very good reason indeed.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on November 30, 2015, 10:15:31 am
Never compromising on one's meta because "well, it's my meta", is anti-town.

My meta is pro-town, so I don't see why not compromising on it would be anti-town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 10:16:32 am
Never compromising on one's meta because "well, it's my meta", is anti-town.

My meta is pro-town, so I don't see why not compromising on it would be anti-town.

Yes, this is where we disagree.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 10:18:27 am
... time to go dig up that old quote again... which one to use...? WW's or donald's?

how about both!

So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.

and oh fuck it why do I even bother talking this is just going to get a pointless response to lead to more pointlessness.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 10:22:44 am
I'm protown because fuck squirrels.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 10:25:07 am
I'm protown because fuck squirrels.

While you're here, what are your thoughts on Ampharos ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 30, 2015, 10:27:49 am
Vote Count 1.5:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (2): yuma, Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (2): iguanaiguana, faust
Teproc (1): Ampharos
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock
Awaclus (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (3): RR, 2.7, EgorK

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 10:28:38 am
About iguana : he was very townie in that RMM game. Less of that here, still like my vote.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 10:33:01 am
I'm protown because fuck squirrels.

While you're here, what are your thoughts on Ampharos ?

I didn't originally have much of a read; Silver made some points which seemed valid, specifically about his sort of light-hearted dismissal of people suspecting and voting him.  Since then Ampharos went on a kind of meta tangent, which I don't really know how to take.  So I'm still fairly uncertain here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 10:44:09 am
Haddock is town by the way, just putting it down now so that I'll remember when rereading.

So, that thing. I remember now. It was about this :

Well my vote officially sucks!

<b> unvote </b> for now...

Where to go next? <b> Vote: Roadrunner </b> seems okay fir now.
Scumslip, vote: igu!

Just kidding, unvote

Could I see igu doing this for town points?  Maybbeee.....  not really though.

I think extreme hedging (especially spread over two immediately consecutive posts) to generally be townie. Especially newbie town. Glancing at Haddock's scum game here, he was actually very decisive, with votes all over the place. This has not been the case here. Unfortunately his latest reads list wasn't all that hedgy, but the point still stands, those were two very, very townie posts.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 10:53:15 am
Interesting, but Haddock isn't actually a newbie, right?  Hadn't he played online elsewhere before coming here?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 30, 2015, 10:55:33 am
Unfortunately his latest reads list wasn't all that hedgy, but the point still stands, those were two very, very townie posts.
Ummmm... the hedging is implicit? :P
Yeah don't take my latest reads list to be the be-all-and-end-all, I definitely didn't mean it that way. 
Mostly these are just vague feelings, none of my reads go any way past the "pretty dang mild" category.

PPE: No, WW I hadn't.  That's been said before, actually, I'll take it as a compliment as it was then.
To clarify.  This is my 3rd game of forum mafia of any kind ever, if you include the ongoing game.  (I've played a TINY bit irl). 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 10:57:06 am
The List:

(Iím fully aware these are almost useless.  Itís mostly for me to keep track of how Iím feeling at certain points in the game, and to share that with all yíall.)

-----------------

People that are probably town:

Roadrunner:  His post 390 just screams town to me.  Heís trying to push the game as well, when scum are typically content to let sleeping dogs lie.

Yuma:  The claim does a ton.  This is so extremely dangerous to do as scum this early in the game.  By no means does the claim mean he couldnít be scum, but itís just bad scum practice to do this right away.  Maybe if the claim was a bomb or something, but itís not.   Additionally, most people seem to have accepted Yumaís claim, and instead of just armchairing and popcorning, Yuma got into the thick of things, getting all debatey and stuff.  This seems more town play to me.

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People that seem/feel town:

Awaclus:  His entrance posts are goofy and carefree in the middle of an ongoing discussion.   Scum often like to seem like they know whatís going on if entering the game later.  However, you all said that heís often random like this, so Iím taking it all with a grain of salt.

Iguanaiguana:  Impassioned arguments about scum tells and early heavy arguments with SS reads pretty town to me.  Igís a smart guy though, and could be trying some aggressive and dangerous play, but Iím not feeling it right now.

Silverspawn:  Mostly same as Iguana.  I normally look at early conflict and almost always town on town violence.   I had Silver in the above category, but as the game went on, I realized that he very well could just be a hyperactive scum player.  He seems like the type of guy that could do that, but for now Iím sticking with my initial analysis.

-----------------

Big ?s

2.7:  Not a whole lot to go on here, and what I have seen hasnít spoken to me either way.  Concerning, but itís early.  Weíll see where things go from here.  (Gosh I sound like a scum defending a partner by slight FoS but not really saying anything.  Whatever, weíll get more later.)

Faust:  Initially faust came across very scummy, mostly just sitting there and throwing out peanut gallery comments here and there.  However, he got very frustrated when people went after him aggressively, which tends to read town.  However however, I think heís smart enough to fake these types of emotions, though maybe not since last game he wanted to vote for PPS based on an out-of-game interaction.  Gut says ?scum, head is confused.

Hydrad:  Hydrad does what he wants.  And Iíll be darned if I have any idea what that is.

Teproc:  See, I said 50% chance of scum so I can do things like upgrade you to ?.  On re-read, I donít get as much of a scum feel from Teproc, and I find myself agreeing with a bunch of things he says.  His recent list matches up a lot with what Iím putting here as well, things I was thinking before I saw his list.  It will take a while for that initial scum feel to wear off, but weíll leave Tep here for now.

Witherweaver: Wither I have no idea on.  Thereís definite possibility of being scum, as I think for the most part heís been cruising with the crowd, but heís had enough of a unique voice in discussions that Iím not sure what to think.  Teh feelz arenít much help either, as theyíre all over the spectrum here.  Iíll admit, I have no idea right now.  Maybe another re-read???

-----------------

They could be scum?

EgorK:  Chilliní out maxiní relaxiní all cool.  Maybe this is classic EgorK play but something feels off. 

Haddock:  Maybe itís just the way he posts things, with lots of open-ended statements and questions and general uncertainty, but that type of posting is just really easy for scum to use and look like theyíre doing something.  Iíll probably be dead wrong on this one.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 10:57:57 am
Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 10:58:27 am
^That's my gut talking.  We'll see what happens.  Probably nothing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 10:58:34 am
Unfortunately his latest reads list wasn't all that hedgy, but the point still stands, those were two very, very townie posts.
Ummmm... the hedging is implicit? :P
Yeah don't take my latest reads list to be the be-all-and-end-all, I definitely didn't mean it that way. 
Mostly these are just vague feelings, none of my reads go any way past the "pretty dang mild" category.

PPE: No, WW I hadn't.  That's been said before, actually, I'll take it as a compliment as it was then.
To clarify.  This is my 3rd game of forum mafia of any kind ever, if you include the ongoing game.  (I've played a TINY bit irl).

Huh, I see.  Okay.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 11:01:01 am
Let me expand a bit re: hedging. As I said, I think being very hedgy is a sign you're town, especially in your first games, because - let's face it - mafia is hard. And once you've played (or read a full game)you understand how wrong everyone ends up being all the time. Being right is the exception. So you're hesitant. If you're sucm, you don't want to be hesitant, because you want to lynch people. Also, you might be aware hedging is often considered scummy (I obviously disagree but it's a thing).

Now that all of this is said : hedging is not a super pro-town thing. Overstating your confidence means your votes mean more, it means you pressure people more effectively and it means you force people to be more accountable for their votes (by being so yourself).

PPE : a reads post ! Don't let anyone tell you these are useless, they're great. Who is even saying that, did ghost!Robz make an apparition ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 11:05:33 am
Yuma:  The claim does a ton.  This is so extremely dangerous to do as scum this early in the game.  By no means does the claim mean he couldnít be scum, but itís just bad scum practice to do this right away.  Maybe if the claim was a bomb or something, but itís not.   Additionally, most people seem to have accepted Yumaís claim, and instead of just armchairing and popcorning, Yuma got into the thick of things, getting all debatey and stuff.  This seems more town play to me.

To be clear, yuma being active and debatey and stuff is just a yuma!tell. Agreed about the claim though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 11:06:49 am
Yuma:  The claim does a ton.  This is so extremely dangerous to do as scum this early in the game.  By no means does the claim mean he couldnít be scum, but itís just bad scum practice to do this right away.  Maybe if the claim was a bomb or something, but itís not.   Additionally, most people seem to have accepted Yumaís claim, and instead of just armchairing and popcorning, Yuma got into the thick of things, getting all debatey and stuff.  This seems more town play to me.

To be clear, yuma being active and debatey and stuff is just a yuma!tell. Agreed about the claim though.

Well, at least we know Yuma is Yuma.  That's good to know.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 11:17:27 am
I might change my vote here in a bit... Kinda waiting on something for that to happen or not...

I am sure anticipation is really high for what I am going to do
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 11:22:18 am
vote: Haddock

pretty sure haddock was scummy. Awaclus vote was more of a joke
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 11:31:09 am
So, being labeled as "Unusually active" and "Crazy lurking" within several posts is funny

Anyway, let's look at RR some more. I played 2 games with him, and I am not sure, but they are probably only his games on this site. Both times he was town, both times he played drastically different from this game. It may be that he just decided to mix it up, but it may be that because he is scum he feels more responsible and, hence, his essay and other stuff. Much less votes/unvotes (actually, only Awa), much less talking about how we should kill somebody/should not.

Vote: RR
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 11:33:17 am
uh... or not

I could have sworn that he was scummy  :(
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 11:35:32 am
ok... well imma thinking vote: egorK
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 11:36:25 am
okay, let's do this instead

vote: Hydrad

a reread reveals one post of content, the first one, which is scummy, and after that a lot of fluff and jokes. The jokes are pretty funny, but that doesn't make him any more town.

also not a lot of posts period.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 11:38:39 am
ok... well imma thinking vote: egorK

Was your trigger "If he makes one more useful post, I swear to God !" ?

@silver : what was scummy about his first post ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 11:41:20 am
@silver : what was scummy about his first post ?

no no, nothing is scummy about the first post. what's scummy is that his first post is the one with the most content. as in, that's the one were he came fresh out of the scum QT, and afterwards he was just being his scummy self. which isn't content-y
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 11:43:39 am
you could say that hydrad's content this game is equivalent to my habits in visiting lectures over the course of a semester ;_;
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 11:57:14 am
ok... well imma thinking vote: egorK

Was your trigger "If he makes one more useful post, I swear to God !" ?

@silver : what was scummy about his first post ?

Nope. And I don't consider the post he just posted useful...

My thought was...

"hmmm he started out pretty active but once it was mentioned and some of his posts were questioned he clammed up and disappeared."

As I had that thought I saw that he was online and that he had stated he was going to do a reread of stuff over the weekend, so I thought I would give him a chance to see if he was posting and what he was going to post, hence my post stating I was thinking about moving my vote.

And when he posted it looked like a filler post to keep from being prodded but nothing more than that and so I felt he was continuing his keeping quiet schtick, which isn't unusual for EgorK, I will admit, but I did think that his being active early was. What struck me was how he changed once called out on it. If he had posted more and of more substance then I might have seen that as just him wanting to be more active and the blip in activity that I noticed an aberration. But right now I think he started out 1. as mafia 2. wanting to be more active so he wouldn't be a day1 or day2 lurker lynch 3. got called out for it 4. panicked a bit and went back into lurker mode.

So I am voting him. You should too!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 11:59:32 am
You've been around a lot more than I have lately. Have there been many lurker lynches in the early days recently ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 12:03:45 pm
You've been around a lot more than I have lately. Have there been many lurker lynches in the early days recently ?

I think the idea of a strict lurker lynch has been quashed completely (thankfully). But the scummy lurker lynch is still a thing. For example in the game we were just in GOP I pushed through some "scummy lurker" mislynches on EgorK and Xerxes as scum. both I felt were valid pseudo cases, which I why I pushed them through as scum.

So with that in mind I could see EgorK thinking "man i got lynched for lurking as town, that could happen to me as mafia even without me doing anything scummy. I should probably post a bit more to avoid that."

Of course EgorK could think the same thing as town. But in that case I think he would continue to post more even despite being called out, whereas I think as scum once something isn't working you revert back to your old self.

What does still exist (and rightfully so) is the idea that it is on a certain level a good idea to keep active posters alive longer as they will be easier to read at a later date compared to low volume posters. It is the same reason that high volume posters that are town tend to be NKed early.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 12:06:02 pm
Egor has got to be joking.

I look town to most people, that's good.
If Amaphoros (I dropped the nickname) is scum, I think his partner is Teproc.

What else? Oh yes, a list of who seems towny to me:
EgorK
Iguana(?)
Faust
Hydrad
2.7(?)
I guess that's it. Everyone else is pretty null.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 12:06:43 pm
I think RR seems town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:10:01 pm
Yuma, can you elaborate why my post is filler?

Also I stopped posting not because being called out, but rather because of week end
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 12:10:31 pm
I think RR seems town.
Yay. Should I do an opposite OMGUS and say you seem town for saying I seem town?

I don't think I will right now.
PPE
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:12:44 pm
RR, no, I am not joking. Your last post also has the classic tell of putting acuser as top town read

Besides, making other people think you as town is main target for scum. For town it is good, but main thing is scum hunting

PPE 1
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 12:13:10 pm
Yuma, can you elaborate why my post is filler?

Also I stopped posting not because being called out, but rather because of week end

I think out of all the players that you could have looked at RR is probably the least useful.

And I figured that might be the case, which is why when I saw that you were online and posting I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but the benefit of the doubt was left wanting...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 12:13:40 pm
You've been around a lot more than I have lately. Have there been many lurker lynches in the early days recently ?

I think the idea of a strict lurker lynch has been quashed completely (thankfully). But the scummy lurker lynch is still a thing. For example in the game we were just in GOP I pushed through some "scummy lurker" mislynches on EgorK and Xerxes as scum. both I felt were valid pseudo cases, which I why I pushed them through as scum.

So with that in mind I could see EgorK thinking "man i got lynched for lurking as town, that could happen to me as mafia even without me doing anything scummy. I should probably post a bit more to avoid that."

Of course EgorK could think the same thing as town. But in that case I think he would continue to post more even despite being called out, whereas I think as scum once something isn't working you revert back to your old self.

What does still exist (and rightfully so) is the idea that it is on a certain level a good idea to keep active posters alive longer as they will be easier to read at a later date compared to low volume posters. It is the same reason that high volume posters that are town tend to be NKed early.

GOP Mafia was a bit of a weird one because of that disastrous day 1. My point was more that, in my experience, lurker lynches tend to occur on later days, and the day 1 lynch is generally someone active and controversial. Your point still stands of course that it is something scum!Egork should be worried about, and it could lead him to change his meta, which he is clearly doing here.

Where I disagree is that I don't think Egork has changed his behavior inside this game. You say he's reacted to "huh, Egork's more active, that's weird" by disappearing... I don't really see that. It was the week-end, always a quiet time in mafialand, and if you look at his posts, he has been pretty consistently trying to move the game along. You see his latest post (voting for RR) as a "avoid to be prodded" thing, and I just don't know why. It's a decently well-reasoned vote against someone who is gradually becoming a universal town read. Of all the things there are to say about that post, "filler" does not seem to be one of them to me.

PPE : 3
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 12:16:44 pm
RR, no, I am not joking. Your last post also has the classic tell of putting acuser as top town read

Besides, making other people think you as town is main target for scum. For town it is good, but main thing is scum hunting

PPE 1
You're not at the top of my list, it's not in order. Well, actually, you are my top town read, but you being on top was just a coincidence. And barely any scum-hunting has gotten done today. But here are people I would be willing/happy to pressure:
RR
Faust
Iguana
Awaclus
WW
SS
Amaphoros
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
Yuma, can you elaborate why my post is filler?

Also I stopped posting not because being called out, but rather because of week end

I think out of all the players that you could have looked at RR is probably the least useful.

And I figured that might be the case, which is why when I saw that you were online and posting I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but the benefit of the doubt was left wanting...

I assume then you think my case on RR is bad. Then you can point out problems in my logic?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 12:18:31 pm
I can point out a problem in your logic: I am town. Only scum wants to lynch town. That would make you scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 12:20:31 pm
I can point out a problem in your logic: I am town. Only scum wants to lynch town. That would make you scum.

This game is so easy !
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 12:20:53 pm
Yuma, can you elaborate why my post is filler?

Also I stopped posting not because being called out, but rather because of week end

I think out of all the players that you could have looked at RR is probably the least useful.

And I figured that might be the case, which is why when I saw that you were online and posting I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but the benefit of the doubt was left wanting...

I assume then you think my case on RR is bad. Then you can point out problems in my logic?

I kinda do and I can't. Much of what I am thinking involves on going games, unfortunately.

I guess what I am saying is that a lot happened over the weekend and I thought it curious that you didn't talk about any of that stuff but instead went your own direction and did a read/vote on a player that well is pretty easy to pick apart and find his play unusual (and potentially a possible way to see scummy) for a variety of reasons
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:28:53 pm
A lot happened on weekend? There are same 4 pages generated today by noon, about the same amount as on 2 days before. And out of them only YPG stuff caught my attention, and I already commented on that. Also you are repeating yourself, when you drove my lynch in GOP you also told that you "guessed what scum would post here". This is starting to be alarming
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 12:30:40 pm
Well "I'm guessing this is what scum would post here" applies to any scumhunting ever so...

Ok, Egork. What do you think of Ampharos ? He was the main subject of conversation over the week-end I think.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:43:40 pm
Well "I'm guessing this is what scum would post here" applies to any scumhunting ever so...

Ok, Egork. What do you think of Ampharos ? He was the main subject of conversation over the week-end I think.

You 'd put exact quotes when I'd reach PC, but it is not your usual scumhunting

As for YPG, he posted a lot of water at some moment, that I am still unable to understand why he would post as either alignment
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 12:44:39 pm
I'd just go reread that game we can't reference here
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 01:12:59 pm
A lot happened on weekend? There are same 4 pages generated today by noon, about the same amount as on 2 days before. And out of them only YPG stuff caught my attention, and I already commented on that. Also you are repeating yourself, when you drove my lynch in GOP you also told that you "guessed what scum would post here". This is starting to be alarming

There was enough that I needed to get caught up on when I came back, so yeah, there was what I would term "a lot"

And if you are alarmed you should vote for me. Don't try and shrug off my suspicion on you by passively alluding to a game where I was scum. Just because I replicated a scum hunting tactic as scum doesn't mean it isn't legitimate to use it as town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 01:20:55 pm
Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

Towny:

Yuma

The claim means a lot. The posts pushing the game further help more. Some people are leaning slight town on Yuma; to me Yuma is the only obv!town player here. Like, I would be really surprised if he was fakeclaiming his role, and scum with a random vig doesn't make any sense at all.

Roadrunner

Who was it who pointed out that scum Roadrunner would have very little incentive to post a long rant/essay during the middle of an otherwise quiet period of the game, when no one was paying attention to him otherwise? It's a good point; for now at least I think I agree. Roadrunner has been very fond of writing long rants lately. The question is whether they are scum rants or town rants. This one looks very towny to me.

Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Teproc

Hmmm, so Teproc thinks I look like scum. He says I look very towny in my other game, but what I remember from that game was people calling me mildly scummy or scummy the whole way through. But despite his gunning for me, Teproc looks a lot like town to me here. He's reading the game carefully & paying attention to details. Also, except for his read on me, I think I mainly agree with his reads. 

e: He hasn't said much, but what he's said so far has been helpful. I'm not convinced either way, but I have a slight town read on him for now.

Null or Torn:


Haddock: Like a lot of people, I'm having trouble reading Haddock. I want to say that most of his posts seem helpful, and that puts him on the slightly townier side of null for me.

Awaclus & Hydrad: I haven't seen enough from either player to have an opinion one way or another. Would like to see more attention paid to both.

silverspawn: silverspawn called our argument productive. It did not feel productive to me. I did not get strong town reads on him; more I just felt confused like I didn't know how to read him well. I haven't seen a lot of strong pro-town posts from him since then, but he has been really active and I'm not sure if scum wants to risk all of that activity. I really don't know what to think. I guess that leaves me on the slightly scummy side of null.

Faust: Faust's change in playstyle this game is still unnerving to me, but his response to me when I questioned it seemed authentic. Sometimes it seems like he's being helpful, sometimes it just looks like he's being venomous for no reason. So yeah, I'm torn. Overall I'm not really digging this new Faust who criticizes everything I say.

Scummy:


Witherweaver: I remember in the last game feeling like Witherweaver was posting a lot of short fluffy stuff and not being very helpful. Then, somehow, he survived the entire game and won as scum. He's acting the same way in this game, so that makes me not trust him very much so far. He's close enough to null that I could still be convinced he's town, but still looking scummier than most other people.

EgorK: Yuma is (IMO) the towniest player here, and his case on EgorK makes sense to me. Plus, a lot of Egor's reads just seem bad. He's also going after some pretty easy targets (RR, Hydrad) and that makes him look worse. So I guess for now Egor is my top scum read.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 01:21:13 pm
Vote: EgorK
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 01:29:02 pm
calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 01:31:23 pm
calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

Um, okay, you do that!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 01:31:53 pm
calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 01:34:16 pm
calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.

I do too

Nonetheless, vote: igu. His reads list screams scum to me. I'm not sure why yet, but once I know, I'll probably let you know.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on November 30, 2015, 01:44:55 pm
Vote Count 1.6:

iguanaiguana (2): Teproc, ss
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (3): Haddock, yuma, iguana
RR (1): EgorK

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 01:46:36 pm
Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 01:47:27 pm
Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.

Scum partners, obv.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 01:51:29 pm
A lot happened on weekend? There are same 4 pages generated today by noon, about the same amount as on 2 days before. And out of them only YPG stuff caught my attention, and I already commented on that. Also you are repeating yourself, when you drove my lynch in GOP you also told that you "guessed what scum would post here". This is starting to be alarming

There was enough that I needed to get caught up on when I came back, so yeah, there was what I would term "a lot"

And if you are alarmed you should vote for me. Don't try and shrug off my suspicion on you by passively alluding to a game where I was scum. Just because I replicated a scum hunting tactic as scum doesn't mean it isn't legitimate to use it as town.

Just because I find something about your play alarming doesn't mean that I should stop voting my top scum read (which got only stronger because of what we can't reference here) and disregard consequences of your claim
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 01:51:55 pm
Ampharos (1): faust
faust (1): Ampharos

That's too cute.

Scum partners, obv.

Faustaros <3  We've been going steady for quite some time now.   Like 3 minutes.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 01:53:41 pm
Meta sidenote : as it happens I genuinely don't know what Egork is referring to when he says he "can't talk about something" because I'm not involved in other games... but saying that way only makes people wonder, which defeats the purpose of not talking about ongoing games. I think the best way to approach is to say "gut read" or something.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 02:09:53 pm
calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.

I do too

Nonetheless, vote: igu. His reads list screams scum to me. I'm not sure why yet, but once I know, I'll probably let you know.

So I put out a reads list where I explicitly state that I haven't completely changed my read on you, and now not only do you think I am scum again but you think you have the whole scum team figured out?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 02:28:53 pm
Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 02:30:04 pm
And WW is a blank page as always. His playstyle is way more anti-town than that of Awaclus.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 02:41:54 pm
Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 02:46:15 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 02:47:50 pm
Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.

I don't know what I did to deserve this kind of attitude... but well. You could have explained what you meant with that read, which would have benefitted town. Instead you are agitating against me (I think? I'm not even sure. Where have I kept my ideas "shrouded in secrecy"?) and suddenly bring up a new point (Ampharos's reads list) that you didn't even mention before.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 02:48:40 pm
Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

This section just gives me all the scum feels
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 02:49:33 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 02:50:24 pm
ITT : faust thinks his name is "scum".
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 02:51:58 pm
I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

Better bet I am town because then you'd have 2 imaginary hats
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 02:52:50 pm
Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.

I don't know what I did to deserve this kind of attitude... but well. You could have explained what you meant with that read, which would have benefitted town. Instead you are agitating against me (I think? I'm not even sure. Where have I kept my ideas "shrouded in secrecy"?) and suddenly bring up a new point (Ampharos's reads list) that you didn't even mention before.

To be fair, most of your posts have a peanut gallery feel to them, where you're sitting to the side, throwing out comments about ongoings.  Not saying that you're doing nothing, but there's a lot that would be tough to call constructive or helpful.  I'm in no way insulting you, but stating my strong suspicion of you and agreement with Iguana in this case.  (Boy I'm agreeing with him a lot lately.  Ig you better not be scum or I'm donezo if you ever get lynched/inspected).

I like my vote where it is, for now.  <3 faustaros is real
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 02:53:43 pm
I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

That's interesting; in your previous reads list, iguana and silver only showed up as light town. What changed? Or are you just in a gambling mood?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 02:55:00 pm
there's a lot that would be tough to call constructive or helpful.

Can you support this statement with evidence?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 02:56:27 pm
I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

That's interesting; in your previous reads list, iguana and silver only showed up as light town. What changed? Or are you just in a gambling mood?

The more Day 1 consistent headbutting between two people, the more likely they are to be stubborn townies refusing to give up their point.  That behavior draws too much attention.  It's important to note that this is very different than one person relentlessly going after another, and that can easily be a sign of scum on either side of that (i.e. your moves on GKrieg last game).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 02:57:40 pm
And WW is a blank page as always. His playstyle is way more anti-town than that of Awaclus.

Ha.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 02:58:03 pm
Hey Egor, what's your main reason for thinking I'm scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 02:58:17 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

eh... what, exactly, is the point of this post?

the concept of non-meta arguments means assuming that X is a scum tell for A because X is a scum tell for most people. Clearly, non-meta arguments can therefore always be wrong, if X is in fact not a scum tell for A. This is a general rule and has nothing to do with my post. Do you suggest that we should stop using any non-meta arguments? If not, then what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on November 30, 2015, 03:01:30 pm
Hey Egor, what's your main reason for thinking I'm scum?

What I posted in initial case. And now also, as Teproc put it, "gut"
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 03:04:07 pm
there's a lot that would be tough to call constructive or helpful.

Can you support this statement with evidence?

Maybe I'm getting thrown by your one liners, which there are many.  Not that that's a bad thing, it just feels like tons of comments being tossed into what tends to be bigger conversations. 

3 posts example here, which is somewhat accurate for the extent of the game so far (there are some exceptions):

384  And here I was thinking you were voting for Ampharos because you thought he was scum. Silly me.
395  You know, you could make stronger point if you wouldn't lie.
420  So I guess I'm torn. iguana is active though, that a good thing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 03:06:32 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

eh... what, exactly, is the point of this post?

the concept of non-meta arguments means assuming that X is a scum tell for A because X is a scum tell for most people. Clearly, non-meta arguments can therefore always be wrong, if X is in fact not a scum tell for A. This is a general rule and has nothing to do with my post. Do you suggest that we should stop using any non-meta arguments? If not, then what are you trying to say?

I'm saying I think you both are town and that I hope soon you will start working together instead of presenting a division for scum to exploit.  I also acknowledge that I could be totally wrong.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 03:07:10 pm
Hey Egor, what's your main reason for thinking I'm scum?

What I posted in initial case. And now also, as Teproc put it, "gut"
Okay. Then I won't get lynched.

Thanks for trying though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 03:07:50 pm
Well I thought these posts were helpful, or I wouldn't have posted them. Just because your style is lenghty posts doesn't make short commentary any less valuable. In 384, I am calling out iguana on his weird justification of his vote, in 395 I am pointing out that RR paints an inaccurate picture and in 420 I share my read on a player in the spotlight. I don't know why any of these should be considered "not constructive".

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 03:21:26 pm
Well I thought these posts were helpful, or I wouldn't have posted them. Just because your style is lenghty posts doesn't make short commentary any less valuable. In 384, I am calling out iguana on his weird justification of his vote, in 395 I am pointing out that RR paints an inaccurate picture and in 420 I share my read on a player in the spotlight. I don't know why any of these should be considered "not constructive".

PPE: 2

Right, I don't know if my phrasing was quite what I meant.  There's value there, for sure.  I'm just trying to find some way to clarify my concern other than coming across as condescending or belittling, since that is not my intent.  Basically, I want you to know why I'm voting for you but am having a hard time finding the correct words.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 03:31:07 pm
Ampharos

Basically, I got exactly what I was hoping I would get from Ampharos, which is a meaningful contribution to the game. His first few posts looked scummy to me, but now it looks more like he was drawing attention to himself because he knew he could show himself to be towny under scrutiny. At the same time, Ampharos seems like kind of a loose cannon. And that makes him harder to trust.

Wow, I don't get what you're saying here... I mean, I really don't. This description could be under "Ampharos is scummy" without having to change anything. What exactly points to him being town? It is most curios how the wagon suddenly puffed away for no real reason.

Maybe I am just showing my newbie idiocy here, but I still feel like putting all of your thoughts out into the open is townie, because scum would prefer to keep their ideas shrouded in secrecy. They are the ones with things to hide. So yeah Ampharos' reads list makes him look town, whereas the people who just attack everything while not contributing their thoughts themselves still look like scum to me.

If this is stupid or wrong, then I guess you'd better school me in the ways of playing the game backwards.

I don't know what I did to deserve this kind of attitude... but well. You could have explained what you meant with that read, which would have benefitted town. Instead you are agitating against me (I think? I'm not even sure. Where have I kept my ideas "shrouded in secrecy"?) and suddenly bring up a new point (Ampharos's reads list) that you didn't even mention before.

I think I was being a little extravagant in my last post and I apologize for the attitude.

Here is a clarification:

I tend to find players who are open about their reads of all other players as townie. For this reason, Ampharos swayed me with what looked like an open and on-point reads list. An exception would be if their reads completely disagree with my reads, because that makes me wonder why that player's persoective is so different from mine.

One thing that I find scummy is when players keep their reads guarded or don't seem to bother with reads, because I start to wonder what they want to hide.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 03:36:32 pm
I think I also want to come out and just say that I want to drop the Faust thing from my sig. I put it in because another player suggested it but on further thought I don't really like having something negative about Faust in my sig. He bested me last game, and I don't have bad feelings anymore. I think I just want to leave it at that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on November 30, 2015, 03:41:02 pm
I think I also want to come out and just say that I want to drop the Faust thing from my sig. I put it in because another player suggested it but on further thought I don't really like having something negative about Faust in my sig. He bested me last game, and I don't have bad feelings anymore. I think I just want to leave it at that.

I think we're on the same page.  We are both sensing something about faust this game but are trying not to be jerks about it.  I'd encourage you to keep up the pressure while trying to do so in a respectful manner.  I feel like we have something going and would hate to lose it simply because we're trying to be nice.  It's a balancing act, but I think you know what I mean.

Note to all: I find myself agreeing with Iguana on many things this game, and am aware this may cloud my judgement on him from here on out.  Feel free to slap me around with a fish should I start missing the obvious.   ;)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 03:42:52 pm
Oh yeah, I do that with Iguana too. He's a really cool guy IRL. He'd make a good scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 03:50:52 pm
Oh yeah, I do that with Iguana too. He's a really cool guy IRL. He'd make a good scum.

he's probably making one right now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 03:51:53 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

eh... what, exactly, is the point of this post?

the concept of non-meta arguments means assuming that X is a scum tell for A because X is a scum tell for most people. Clearly, non-meta arguments can therefore always be wrong, if X is in fact not a scum tell for A. This is a general rule and has nothing to do with my post. Do you suggest that we should stop using any non-meta arguments? If not, then what are you trying to say?

I'm saying I think you both are town and that I hope soon you will start working together instead of presenting a division for scum to exploit.  I also acknowledge that I could be totally wrong.

So about this... I don't know. Silver right now falls into the second category of people I mentioned before: He's active and has reads but they disagree with mine so much I don't know what to make of them. I mean, if he is serious about me being on a scum team with Yuma then I am just flabbergasted. That sounds so incredibly unlikely...

As for Hydrad, IDK I guess I can see why someone might think that if they already think Hydrad and I look scummy. FWIW I'm not convinced at all Hydrad is town, but I have seen a few Hydrad games lately where he looked pretty scummy and then was able to come in, help town, and clear himself. I at least want to give him a chance to talk.

So reasonable people can disagree reasonably. I'm just not convinced on Silver either way yet.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 03:58:13 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 03:59:54 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.

It is known.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 04:26:20 pm
And WW is a blank page as always. His playstyle is way more anti-town than that of Awaclus.

Ha.

Ha. Ha.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 04:29:01 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.

It is not just that your reads are different, but that your reasons don't make any sense to me. I call Yuma my top townread because of he made a very authentic looking claim right out of the gates; therefore, we must both be scum?

Like a lot of your other posts against me, this looks more like manipulation than sincerity. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. That is how it looks to me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 04:30:54 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.

It is not just that your reads are different, but that your reasons don't make any sense to me. I call Yuma my top townread because of he made a very authentic looking claim right out of the gates; therefore, we must both be scum?

Like a lot of your other posts against me, this looks more like manipulation than sincerity. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. That is how it looks to me.

the motivation for scum!yuma to fakeclaim what he did is pretty simple. it's the same as the motivation for town!yuma. He did it for towncred. I really don't see why he shouldn't be capable of doing that as scum.

Sure, it's still worth some town points, but not too many.

The reason why I semi-seriously called you a team was your excessive buddying.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 04:31:30 pm
Meta sidenote : as it happens I genuinely don't know what Egork is referring to when he says he "can't talk about something" because I'm not involved in other games... but saying that way only makes people wonder, which defeats the purpose of not talking about ongoing games. I think the best way to approach is to say "gut read" or something.

To be fair, it was me who said the "can't talk about something" due to another game. He is talking about it because I was talking about it. But I only originally brought it up because he point blanked asked me if I had anything specific to rebut his points about RR, which I do. So sure, call it gut read. But in my opinion, calling something a gut read tends to give it less than zero weight. I don't give much credence to "gut reads" and most people don't either. And it isn't a gut read. I don't know how to handle meta games properly. All I can do is follow the rules and what I did is allowed for within the rules (as far as I can tell).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 04:33:25 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.

It is not just that your reads are different, but that your reasons don't make any sense to me. I call Yuma my top townread because of he made a very authentic looking claim right out of the gates; therefore, we must both be scum?

Like a lot of your other posts against me, this looks more like manipulation than sincerity. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. That is how it looks to me.

the motivation for scum!yuma to fakeclaim what he did is pretty simple. it's the same as the motivation for town!yuma. He did it for towncred. I really don't see why he shouldn't be capable of doing that as scum.

Sure, it's still worth some town points, but not too many.

The reason why I semi-seriously called you a team was your excessive buddying.

back to vote: ss

I think this is how TA felt about me in GOP where he expected me to make sense, but something was just off (me being scum) so that while it was close I wasn't quite there...

If TA were in this game I think he would be all over this lynch.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 04:35:01 pm
Right, I wasn't pointing fingers anyway. To your point : it shouldn't have weight. Because you can't talk about it. Talking about how you can't talk about it defeats the purpose. This thing you're thinking simply cannot be used as an argument, because it's from an ongoing game. The best would simply be to not mention at all I guess.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 04:37:49 pm
Right, I wasn't pointing fingers anyway. To your point : it shouldn't have weight. Because you can't talk about it. Talking about how you can't talk about it defeats the purpose. This thing you're thinking simply cannot be used as an argument, because it's from an ongoing game. The best would simply be to not mention at all I guess.

And that is a fair point and I agree when in a vacuum. But when specifically asked or called out to provide an explanation? I don't know....

like I wasn't going to go around explaining a silent read I had with meta game reasons, but when Egork specifically asks me I need to provide some sort of explanation. i can't just say nothing. I guess I could say "I have reasons but I can't mention them" but that is basically the same thing. But saying, "I have reasons and I don't want to tell you" isn't truthful nor is simply saying nothing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 04:40:11 pm
Right, I wasn't pointing fingers anyway. To your point : it shouldn't have weight. Because you can't talk about it. Talking about how you can't talk about it defeats the purpose. This thing you're thinking simply cannot be used as an argument, because it's from an ongoing game. The best would simply be to not mention at all I guess.

And that is a fair point and I agree when in a vacuum. But when specifically asked or called out to provide an explanation? I don't know....

like I wasn't going to go around explaining a silent read I had with meta game reasons, but when Egork specifically asks me I need to provide some sort of explanation. i can't just say nothing. I guess I could say "I have reasons but I can't mention them" but that is basically the same thing. But saying, "I have reasons and I don't want to tell you" isn't truthful nor is simply saying nothing.

That's where I would say something vague "I don't know, something doesn't feel right" or whatever. I know it's far from ideal as it misrepresents your actual reasons, but not much can't be done about that if we want to hold to the spirit of the rule.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 04:42:29 pm
I suppose Yuma's role could be a scum role.. you get a random extra kill, so actually better for you than for town, though it has a chance of hurting you.  Though, that harm is pretty major.  Yuma is the type of guy that would claim it, as scum, for town credit.  Except, the role as it's claimed is almost not usable for Town, so if scum!Yuma ever does use it it's pretty suspect.  So then the it comes down to just trying to make himself a named townie. 

At any rate, these kinds of early claims are by and large from town, not scum.  Also well within town!Yuma meta.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Vote Count 1.3:

iguanaiguana (1): Teproc
silverspawn (3): yuma Hydrad, faust
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): iguanaiguana
Ampharos (1): silverspawn
Teproc (1): Ampharos
faust (1): EgorK
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
EgorK (1): Haddock

Not Voting (2): RR, 2.7

Wow. I don't think I have ever seen so many single (1) votes before. That is pretty impressive guys... Well done!

While the vote count is significantly different, it still looks pretty similar to this. It's not a good thing.

More specifically: RR, I think you still haven't voted ? Why is that ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:05:11 pm
There's no reason for me to vote. One vote won't put pressure on anyone, and the people with pressure are people I don't want to lynch.

If you really need me to vote, then Vote: RR
Happy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 05:09:57 pm
There's no reason for me to vote. One vote won't put pressure on anyone, and the people with pressure are people I don't want to lynch.

If you really need me to vote, then Vote: RR
Happy?

Not particularly, no.

Let me put it this way : how do you think is most likely to be scum in the game right now ?

Let's assume this player has no votes on them (unlikely given the state of things but let's do that). How are they going to get "pressure" if you don't vote for them ? You're just letting everyone else (which does include scum) dictate your behavior at this point, and I'm not sure why you'd do that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 05:10:16 pm
how is supposed to be "who", obviously.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:17:25 pm
Okay. Why not?

Vote: Yuma
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 05:21:36 pm
Okay. Why not?

Vote: Yuma

Ok. Why do you think yuma is scum ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:28:33 pm
The claim is not like Yuma. He didn't need to do that until later, and normally he wouldn't. This is also a verrrry convenient role if he is scum.

And finally, no one likes this reason, but Yuma is dangerous. He will decide when he Vigs, he probably won't listen to anyone.
He is a good lynch. It's essentially claiming a scummy VT.

I don't have great reasons Teproc, as I don't have scummy reads on anyone.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 05:35:25 pm
There's no reason for me to vote. One vote won't put pressure on anyone, and the people with pressure are people I don't want to lynch.

If you really need me to vote, then Vote: RR
Happy?

Vote: RR plus OMGUSx2
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 05:36:34 pm
How is it convenient for scum to claim ? This is a closed setup, so far all he/we know/s there are Trackers and Watchers who could catch him targeting someone. It also makes him vulnerable to a Role Cop. As I said earlier, if he ever uses his shot without having at least discussed with the town, then yeah, lynch him. There's also the fact that it's a pretty unlikely role for scum to have, so he would probably have to invent it which... possible, I suppose, but would surprise me.

As I said earlier, he could be a SK, but having an SK around isn't that bad for town.

PPE : yuma, to clarify, this is not your usual self-voting policy vote, right ? Since he switched.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:41:47 pm
Okay! My 'argument' gets picked apart in seconds. You obviously want me to vote for someone Teproc. We will keep doing this until I hit the nail on the head. So, who is it you want me to vote for?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 05:46:47 pm
Okay! My 'argument' gets picked apart in seconds. You obviously want me to vote for someone Teproc. We will keep doing this until I hit the nail on the head. So, who is it you want me to vote for?

I don't want you to vote for someone specific no. Well I'd prefer if you voted for someone I agree is scummy, but that's not the point. The point is that this is how the game works : you vote, people disagree, people change their minds, and it's all still there later on to be reread once someone flips.

Like, let's say you remain the only person to be willing to lynch yuma, and end up switching your vote later in the day. I guess you would say your vote was useless then, right ?

Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's say later, yuma flips scum. Well then that vote might say something about your alignment to other people, and it might also say something about mine.

Even on a shorter time frame : maybe you'll convince me, maybe you'll convince someone else by arguing with me and there'll be a yuma wagon. In this case it's highly unlikely, but whatever. My point is : voting is the way this game works. If you don't vote, you're not really playing, you're just commenting along.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:49:25 pm
I have no flippin' idea who to vote for. Silverspawn could squirm under pressure. So let's go there.

Vote: SS
And Teproc, you better hope I'm not scum. Our interaction really looks like scum partners IMO.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 05:50:29 pm
And Teproc, you better hope I'm not scum. Our interaction really looks like scum partners IMO.

Haha, this is an awesome thing to say.  I think I'm going to use it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
Sheeping is cool.

Vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 05:51:40 pm
How is it convenient for scum to claim ? This is a closed setup, so far all he/we know/s there are Trackers and Watchers who could catch him targeting someone. It also makes him vulnerable to a Role Cop. As I said earlier, if he ever uses his shot without having at least discussed with the town, then yeah, lynch him. There's also the fact that it's a pretty unlikely role for scum to have, so he would probably have to invent it which... possible, I suppose, but would surprise me.

As I said earlier, he could be a SK, but having an SK around isn't that bad for town.

PPE : yuma, to clarify, this is not your usual self-voting policy vote, right ? Since he switched.

It does go very well with the flavor though. If I was presented with that flavor, I'd probably come up with a similar role.

That said, I think yuma is town. At the very least not D1 lynch material.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on November 30, 2015, 05:53:40 pm
Could someone summarize the silverspawn case for me?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 05:53:58 pm
How is it convenient for scum to claim ? This is a closed setup, so far all he/we know/s there are Trackers and Watchers who could catch him targeting someone. It also makes him vulnerable to a Role Cop. As I said earlier, if he ever uses his shot without having at least discussed with the town, then yeah, lynch him. There's also the fact that it's a pretty unlikely role for scum to have, so he would probably have to invent it which... possible, I suppose, but would surprise me.

As I said earlier, he could be a SK, but having an SK around isn't that bad for town.

PPE : yuma, to clarify, this is not your usual self-voting policy vote, right ? Since he switched.

It does go very well with the flavor though. If I was presented with that flavor, I'd probably come up with a similar role.

That said, I think yuma is town. At the very least not D1 lynch material.

But again, as scum are you going to want to claim something that is essentially antitown?  We're probably not going to want you to verify your role, and it makes your lynch not a big loss. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 05:54:10 pm
And Teproc, you better hope I'm not scum. Our interaction really looks like scum partners IMO.

Haha, this is an awesome thing to say.  I think I'm going to use it.
How is that awesome? I'm just looking more and more like scum each time I type a message.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:00:26 pm
we've been over this; you are obv!town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:01:03 pm
which doesn't make your reads any more credible.

can't we be town buddies? at least then you're right on one player.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:01:23 pm
Could someone summarize the silverspawn case for me?

I originally thought he was scummy because of his theory-heavy entry into the game.  Then I started leaning more towards town.  And then recently (today) back towards scum. Something he did in particular was one of those "red flag" things for me.  I'll look for it.


Okay I can't find it at the moment.  But, this:

calling a Hydrad - yuma - iguanda team

I seriously doubt that.

I do too

Nonetheless, vote: igu. His reads list screams scum to me. I'm not sure why yet, but once I know, I'll probably let you know.

among similar threads gives me a feeling of fake "gut" scum hunting.  Mainly, I don't actually believe that Silverspawn is subconsciously screaming "scum!" from that post.  It makes me think that Silver is trying to look town by throwing off a lot of "feelings" posts.  He's also throwing out a lot of votes in different places, which can, of course, be a townie thing to do, but it's also a thing to do because you think that's what you do as town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:02:44 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

Is it Iguana being scummy or actually thinking that?  Just because he says something that could be scummy does not mean it is.  Most everything in this game is WIFOM and up to personal opinion.

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

eh... what, exactly, is the point of this post?

the concept of non-meta arguments means assuming that X is a scum tell for A because X is a scum tell for most people. Clearly, non-meta arguments can therefore always be wrong, if X is in fact not a scum tell for A. This is a general rule and has nothing to do with my post. Do you suggest that we should stop using any non-meta arguments? If not, then what are you trying to say?

This I have a problem with as well.  "what, exactly, is the point of this post?" is more rhetoric than scumhunting.  Followed by more theory talk. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:03:34 pm
among similar threads gives me a feeling of fake "gut" scum hunting.  Mainly, I don't actually believe that Silverspawn is subconsciously screaming "scum!" from that post.  It makes me think that Silver is trying to look town by throwing off a lot of "feelings" posts.  He's also throwing out a lot of votes in different places, which can, of course, be a townie thing to do, but it's also a thing to do because you think that's what you do as town.

that might actually be something I would do as scum.

Okay, but since that post is probably the single scummiest thing that happened this game, I'm pretty sure I can prove you false by actually exploring the reasons why, which I think I could but have been too lazy to do earlier.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:03:52 pm
see, this is one of the reasons why you are scummy, although not the most important one.

You think reads lists are towny. So you make a reads list, and now you expect to be towny because of it.

It does not work that way. towniness is not some progressive point gathering, it's a judgement of your alignment. Every scum can sit down and write a reads list. It depends on the content.

That's bad for you both because you have being towny in the forefront of your mind, and because you gave Amph unjustified town points.

This I also see as more rhetoric.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 06:04:13 pm
we've been over this; you are obv!town.
Why!does!everyone!do!this!
Seriously, no one has told me why.

Alright, if I'm so obviously town, then I have two questions:
1. Why is Egor voting for me?
2. What was my giveaway?
PPE 2
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:04:42 pm
Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

Time to post my own reads list I think.

This section just gives me all the scum feels

Again one of these; I don't believe this statement from Silver. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:05:20 pm
This I have a problem with as well.  "what, exactly, is the point of this post?" is more rhetoric than scumhunting.  Followed by more theory talk.

no... that was relevant

what happened there was

- I said igu was scummy, and gave two or so reasons
- Amph used a general argument against non-meta tells that has nothing to do with my post as an argument against my case. that's scummy. I was going to say that later.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:06:47 pm
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 06:09:03 pm
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:09:24 pm
we've been over this; you are obv!town.
Why!does!everyone!do!this!
Seriously, no one has told me why.

It's an easy to understand and quickly to type syntax. you can say {aligment}!{player} or {characteristic}!{player} and it's much faster than typing it out. if I write out "I don't think scum!RR does this" I'd have to say "I don't think RR is as likely to do this if he was scum"

Alright, if I'm so obviously town, then I have two questions:
1. Why is Egor voting for me?
well, either because he thinks you're scummy or because he's scum and tried to appear towny.

I never said everyone would agree that you're town. Just I see it. But that's because I'm the best at reading you!

2. What was my giveaway?
sorry :P I won't answer that
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 30, 2015, 06:11:07 pm
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 06:12:32 pm
Of course you won't!

I swear, one of these days when I'm town I will act as scummy as I can. We'll see if people try to lynch me.

I will keep my vote where it is.

What else?
Oh yeah, I'm just gonna sit in the dark. Scum!this game (I did that wrong) are playing well. Also, my reads are trash.
PPE
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 06:12:50 pm
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
I don't believe you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 06:16:52 pm
Of course you won't!

I swear, one of these days when I'm town I will act as scummy as I can. We'll see if people try to lynch me.

I will keep my vote where it is.

What else?
Oh yeah, I'm just gonna sit in the dark. Scum!this game (I did that wrong) are playing well. Also, my reads are trash.
PPE

I guess it'd be MarvelHeroes!scum ? I like it.

Your reads aren't any more awful than anyone else's. The trick is to act a lot more confident than you actually are (see: anyone calling anyone obv!town). Maybe you'll go back on your reads later, but at least you have a chance of creating some meaningful interaction in the meantime.

As for acting scummy on purpose to see what town does... well I don't recommend it. Getting mislynched is no fun.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 06:18:15 pm
PPE : yuma, to clarify, this is not your usual self-voting policy vote, right ? Since he switched.

It is and it isn't. Just because he invited doesn't mean I shouldn't vote him for self voting earlier. I am happy with my vote where it is right now. I might change it, I might not.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:25:03 pm
So scummy things about the igu reads list. there's a lot of stuff early...

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

applauding town for making progress is scummy. I'm sure there are some players who do it as town, but I'm reasonably certain that new players are more likely to do it when they're scum. Like, "the game moving, and I'm helping!". Town does not need to say this.

Time to post my own reads list I think.
"... because that will make me towny!"

The claim means a lot. The posts pushing the game further help more. Some people are leaning slight town on Yuma; to me Yuma is the only obv!town player here. Like, I would be really surprised if he was fakeclaiming his role, and scum with a random vig doesn't make any sense at all.
Excessive buddying of a "semi-ic" is undoubtedly a scumtell (for newer players). Have you ever seen a new scum do the opposite?

From here on, it's less clear, but the whole thing is still scummy for being very, very easy to fabricate. This is the kind of list that everyone can write, all day. It pretends to be content, but it's not.

Long, fluffy, and careful. Look at this:

Quote
Haddock: Like a lot of people, I'm having trouble reading Haddock. I want to say that most of his posts seem helpful, and that puts him on the slightly townier side of null for me.

Awaclus & Hydrad: I haven't seen enough from either player to have an opinion one way or another. Would like to see more attention paid to both.

I would also prefer more null reads.

Quote
He's close enough to null that I could still be convinced he's town, but still looking scummier than most other people.

irrks

That was the bulk of it, I think. It is overall just exactly what a new player's scum list will look like.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:27:55 pm
actually, that buddying makes yuma more towny now that I think about it. scum!yuma would have discussed this  in the QT and I doubt he would have told igu to buddy him like this.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:33:05 pm
anyone calling anyone obv!town

dunno, I am pretty darn confident that RR is town
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:36:22 pm
oh my goodness. 4 pages since I last looked that picked up fast. Ok I'm going to be reading them now and responding.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:36:38 pm
and then absolutely no-one says anything. well, I can't blame you for staring in awe at the grandeur of my case!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:38:37 pm
Vote: Yellow PokŤmon Guy

For the record, I disapprove of this... nickname ? I'd much prefer if we stuck to easily understandable abreviations if we must.

sounds good I'll stop using it!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:39:35 pm
We could lynch Awaclus? He's scum all the time

vote: Awaclus

I'd be willing to go awaclus also! (I guess I shouldn't vote until I see what the vote count is at)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:42:23 pm
Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:43:01 pm
vote: Haddock

pretty sure haddock was scummy. Awaclus vote was more of a joke

Sadness...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 06:43:32 pm
Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?

You own Ichimaru (can't say IG in this game) some money. What do you mean by "interesting" here ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:43:41 pm
okay, let's do this instead

vote: Hydrad

a reread reveals one post of content, the first one, which is scummy, and after that a lot of fluff and jokes. The jokes are pretty funny, but that doesn't make him any more town.

also not a lot of posts period.

And this one is even worse!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:45:30 pm
ok... well imma thinking vote: egorK

Was your trigger "If he makes one more useful post, I swear to God !" ?

@silver : what was scummy about his first post ?

Nope. And I don't consider the post he just posted useful...

My thought was...

"hmmm he started out pretty active but once it was mentioned and some of his posts were questioned he clammed up and disappeared."

As I had that thought I saw that he was online and that he had stated he was going to do a reread of stuff over the weekend, so I thought I would give him a chance to see if he was posting and what he was going to post, hence my post stating I was thinking about moving my vote.

And when he posted it looked like a filler post to keep from being prodded but nothing more than that and so I felt he was continuing his keeping quiet schtick, which isn't unusual for EgorK, I will admit, but I did think that his being active early was. What struck me was how he changed once called out on it. If he had posted more and of more substance then I might have seen that as just him wanting to be more active and the blip in activity that I noticed an aberration. But right now I think he started out 1. as mafia 2. wanting to be more active so he wouldn't be a day1 or day2 lurker lynch 3. got called out for it 4. panicked a bit and went back into lurker mode.

So I am voting him. You should too!

hmm interesting. I'll look more into this case. sounds fun.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
I think RR seems town.

I'd agree here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on November 30, 2015, 06:48:15 pm
WW's play does seem pretty antitown, but if that's normal maybe he's not scummy for it.

Other than his most recent posts (which are nullish) Hydrad has seemed pretty scummy, I could probably vote him if that became a thing.

Who else have we got?  I'm voting Egor.  Let's see.  Don't want to vote RR or Teproc or Ampharos, or igu.

Maybe I could vote faust, but meh.

No I like Egor, he's still scummy to me.

vote: Haddock

pretty sure haddock was scummy. Awaclus vote was more of a joke

Sadness...
What do you mean by this?  Confused.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:52:11 pm
As for Hydrad, IDK I guess I can see why someone might think that if they already think Hydrad and I look scummy. FWIW I'm not convinced at all Hydrad is town, but I have seen a few Hydrad games lately where he looked pretty scummy and then was able to come in, help town, and clear himself. I at least want to give him a chance to talk.


Ah so is it working now? I'm an IC right?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 06:52:33 pm
you can at least have a coherent conversation with WW about whether or not his playstyle is anti-town or not. As to whether it actually is or not isn't that important to me, it is being willing to talk about it and allow others to analyze it in a meaningful way that is... WW does that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:53:21 pm

given that you are my top scum read, it would be rather strange if you didn't disagree with my reads.

Generally, I can tell you that similarity of reads is a very, very bad metric for catching scum, particularly on day 1.

It is not just that your reads are different, but that your reasons don't make any sense to me. I call Yuma my top townread because of he made a very authentic looking claim right out of the gates; therefore, we must both be scum?

Like a lot of your other posts against me, this looks more like manipulation than sincerity. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. That is how it looks to me.

the motivation for scum!yuma to fakeclaim what he did is pretty simple. it's the same as the motivation for town!yuma. He did it for towncred. I really don't see why he shouldn't be capable of doing that as scum.

Sure, it's still worth some town points, but not too many.

The reason why I semi-seriously called you a team was your excessive buddying.

I forget if I said it somewhere before already but I still believe yuma and think hes town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 06:54:55 pm
and back to vote: ss
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:55:16 pm
I suppose Yuma's role could be a scum role.. you get a random extra kill, so actually better for you than for town, though it has a chance of hurting you.  Though, that harm is pretty major.  Yuma is the type of guy that would claim it, as scum, for town credit.  Except, the role as it's claimed is almost not usable for Town, so if scum!Yuma ever does use it it's pretty suspect.  So then the it comes down to just trying to make himself a named townie. 

At any rate, these kinds of early claims are by and large from town, not scum.  Also well within town!Yuma meta.

That would be a weird scum role I feel like. I maybe it would be something like randomly shoot a towny. I could see that. But randomly shooting anyone as a scum PR feels weird. But who knows I've never modded really or designed so I have no idea on what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:55:49 pm
and back to vote: ss

WHAT? after my beautiful case? How can you not see that it was genuine??
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:56:12 pm
I would say wait until igu flips scum but since I don't think that will make you scummier I can't
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:56:48 pm
Sheeping is cool.

Vote: Silverspawn

interesting tm(how do I make it small...) a ss wagon. I'm curious to where this goes.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 06:57:43 pm
I would say wait until igu flips scum but since I don't think that will make you scummier I can't

I will wait until you flip to determine genuinety... and in the mean time I will worry more about credibility
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 06:58:48 pm
That would be a weird scum role I feel like. I maybe it would be something like randomly shoot a towny. I could see that. But randomly shooting anyone as a scum PR feels weird. But who knows I've never modded really or designed so I have no idea on what I'm talking about.

I would play a hydrad designed game
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 06:58:52 pm
Just passing through...I will make a giant and pointless essay on SS later
Bye.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 06:59:00 pm
ah and I was about to say something when yuma's misguidedness PPE'd me

right, WW.

If you are talking about anti-townness, you have to differentiate, because it can mean one of two things

- how the playstyle might work in a healthy game
- what the playstyle actually does

saying WW's style is more anti town than Awaclus' only works if you go by definition #1, because no-one is self-hammering out of frustration about WW.

fwiw I really don't think WW's style is anywhere close to anti town. the case on me was one of what I consider the biggest tells that happened this game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 06:59:54 pm
you can at least have a coherent conversation with WW about whether or not his playstyle is anti-town or not. As to whether it actually is or not isn't that important to me, it is being willing to talk about it and allow others to analyze it in a meaningful way that is... WW does that.

I've been liking ww so far actually.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:00:16 pm
I would say wait until igu flips scum but since I don't think that will make you scummier I can't

I will wait until you flip to determine genuinety... and in the mean time I will worry more about credibility

I don't want to flip. I'm on a roll of not being mislynched right now and don't see any reason to break with that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 07:01:12 pm
That would be a weird scum role I feel like. I maybe it would be something like randomly shoot a towny. I could see that. But randomly shooting anyone as a scum PR feels weird. But who knows I've never modded really or designed so I have no idea on what I'm talking about.

I would play a hydrad designed game

It would probably be one of the most unbalanced games you've ever played. Although I would still try to make it balanced. I just know it would fail :D
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:01:58 pm
you should also know by now, whenever there is a wagon day 1 on me that I am town and whomever I'm voting for  is scum
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 07:02:41 pm
WW's play does seem pretty antitown, but if that's normal maybe he's not scummy for it.

Other than his most recent posts (which are nullish) Hydrad has seemed pretty scummy, I could probably vote him if that became a thing.

Who else have we got?  I'm voting Egor.  Let's see.  Don't want to vote RR or Teproc or Ampharos, or igu.

Maybe I could vote faust, but meh.

No I like Egor, he's still scummy to me.

vote: Haddock

pretty sure haddock was scummy. Awaclus vote was more of a joke

Sadness...
What do you mean by this?  Confused.

I liked ss's awa vote and then saw him switch it so was sad. It didn't have much to do with the fact that he voted you. Sorry for the confusion!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 07:05:38 pm
Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 07:06:11 pm
you should also know by now, whenever there is a wagon day 1 on me that I am town and whomever I'm voting for  is scum

Is that an actual stat? If so thats actually interesting.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:07:09 pm
Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

At least someone is sane.

Do you want to be town buddies?

I'm sorry, but I don't think you're towny. I know, but you didn't have to ask.

Your vote is great though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:08:43 pm
you should also know by now, whenever there is a wagon day 1 on me that I am town and whomever I'm voting for  is scum

Is that an actual stat? If so thats actually interesting.

well, it was that way in simply simple mafia, and, uh... I think switch?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:08:55 pm
you can at least have a coherent conversation with WW about whether or not his playstyle is anti-town or not. As to whether it actually is or not isn't that important to me, it is being willing to talk about it and allow others to analyze it in a meaningful way that is... WW does that.

I've been liking ww so far actually.

so do I!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 07:09:44 pm
Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

At least someone is sane.

Do you want to be town buddies?

I'm sorry, but I don't think you're towny. I know, but you didn't have to ask.

Your vote is great though.

Did you just offer to be town buddies and then reject me instantly? thats sad :(
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:14:20 pm
the motivation for scum!yuma to fakeclaim what he did is pretty simple. it's the same as the motivation for town!yuma. He did it for towncred. I really don't see why he shouldn't be capable of doing that as scum.

Sure, it's still worth some town points, but not too many.

The reason why I semi-seriously called you a team was your excessive buddying.

back to vote: ss

I think this is how TA felt about me in GOP where he expected me to make sense, but something was just off (me being scum) so that while it was close I wasn't quite there...

If TA were in this game I think he would be all over this lynch.

since when are you so... cheap?

Anyway, I was looking for reasons you gave for voting me. So far I haven't found anything good.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:14:27 pm
you should also know by now, whenever there is a wagon day 1 on me that I am town and whomever I'm voting for  is scum

you know... I will admit part of this is that 1. I dont' think I have ever been in a game where you were lynched and 2. a game where you were scum

so I don't know this and part of me kinda wants to see if both happen at the same time... cause you are feeling different. I generally don't read you scummy and have been pretty accurate in that...

Actually that isn't true at all...

in the games I have been in that you were involved in that have completed: you modded (Fan Fiction), I modded (RMM), I was scum (GOP), I was scum (GOP)

But mostly you just have felt different than the three games that I have observed you in, but now that I am realizing that I am actually playing with you from a true townie perspective, instead of a mod or a scum pretending to be a scum, I don't know if that feeling holds any water anymore...

unvote
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:15:41 pm
since when are you so... cheap?

Anyway, I was looking for reasons you gave for voting me. So far I haven't found anything good.

See the post above this one. And cheap? I have always been cheap... I blame my father.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:17:52 pm
yay!!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 07:18:31 pm
I've never had a town!buddy. 😥
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 07:19:49 pm
I suppose Yuma's role could be a scum role.. you get a random extra kill, so actually better for you than for town, though it has a chance of hurting you.  Though, that harm is pretty major.  Yuma is the type of guy that would claim it, as scum, for town credit.  Except, the role as it's claimed is almost not usable for Town, so if scum!Yuma ever does use it it's pretty suspect.  So then the it comes down to just trying to make himself a named townie. 

At any rate, these kinds of early claims are by and large from town, not scum.  Also well within town!Yuma meta.

What pushed me over the edge to give such a strong townread on Yuma was not only the claim of random vigilante, but also the flavor associated with it. Yuma claims to be the hulk, a superhero whose ability is to get angry and go on uncontrollable rampages. How do you translate that into a mafia setup? You make the Hulk a random vigilante. He can turn his power 'on' and kill someone, but then he can't control who he kills. Its a cool power and it fits with the Hulk very well. Could Yuma have made all of that up? Possibly, I guess. But he would have had to do it very quickly and it would have been risky. And as far as I know the Hulk is never evil in the marvel comic universe. He's one of the avengers and always fights on the side of good. At the beginning of the game, we were told that flavor matters and that scum would be given flavor names they could claim. So that implies that the heroes are up against villains, not against other heroes. Again, the Hulk could have been on the list of safe fakeclaims to make, but now we are counting on Yuma to see the Hulk on this list and decide right off the bat that he's going to claim BOTH the hulk & random vigilante. I just don't believe this. It seems really unlikely.

To me, it looks a lot more like a role that the mod thought of over a long period of time, not a fakeclaim that Yuma made up in a single day after learning his role. That is why I gave Yuma so much town credit for his claim. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:20:31 pm
See the post above this one. And cheap? I have always been cheap... I blame my father.

I don't think your votes usually feel cheap; that one kinda did because it was extended OMGUS.

But it wasn't really relevant since you voted for me after that. I mostly felt like I was hammering onto a brick wall.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:23:22 pm
I've never had a town!buddy. 😥

well... you could have one this game? *nudge nudge*
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 07:24:41 pm
I've never had a town!buddy. 😥

well... you could have one this game? *nudge nudge*
*wink wink*
Unvote[/b
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:26:15 pm

unfortunately, this is a towny post.

But I think you're really off at one thing - if the Hulk was on a list of fakeclaims, that doesn't make the narrative harder, it makes it easier. Now all that has to happen is for one of the scum who knows the flavor to think up a role. If the fakeclaim wasn't provided, that'd make it harder, because now he has to come up with way more.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:26:46 pm
alright I think I am off wagon for a ss lynch today at least...

but I don't agree with him on iguana... I don't know where that leaves me.

My points about EgorK I felt were pretty weak (I don't think I gave enough credence to the weekend explanation... maybe I jumped the gun there and should have waited to see how his posting would have extended into the mid-week, as that is a valid excuse as either alignment

Those were probably my main two scum reads.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on November 30, 2015, 07:28:06 pm
but I don't agree with him on iguana...

what part of my case don't you agree with?

I thought it was really good!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 07:28:11 pm
Why did I do that?
Vote: SS
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:28:25 pm
*wink wink*

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/23/88/08/238808fdda82656f950fce334be64911.jpg)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 07:29:15 pm
but I don't agree with him on iguana...

what part of my case don't you agree with?

I thought it was really good!

hmmmm... part of it is an independent town read and the case I can talk about later more in depth. About to eat dinner with the wife and baby. So i'll get back to you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on November 30, 2015, 07:36:46 pm

unfortunately, this is a towny post.

But I think you're really off at one thing - if the Hulk was on a list of fakeclaims, that doesn't make the narrative harder, it makes it easier. Now all that has to happen is for one of the scum who knows the flavor to think up a role. If the fakeclaim wasn't provided, that'd make it harder, because now he has to come up with way more.

I am not saying that getting a list provided to you makes fakeclaiming harder. I am just saying it is still really hard. Scum!Yuma has only one day to look at a list of possible fakeclaims, see the Hulk, and come up with the idea of the hulk as a random vig.

OTOH, if the claim is true, Ashersky the mod has a long prep-time to carefully pick roles that fit well with heroes. And all that town!Yuma needs to do is recognize that his role gives a lot of credence to him as town, and that it is fairly safe to claim it on D1.

Either situation is possible, but the second one just looks so much more likely to me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:11:43 pm
vote: Hydrad
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:18:17 pm
Actually let's skip the unexplained vote thing. It's fun but this game is already too scattered.

Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is a scummy, scummy vote. It gets by because Hydrad is Hydrad and he does this all the time but come on. I think Hydrad just says what he thinks all the time, and how does town!Hydrad think "oooh, I'm on a growing wagon, better get off it quickly for no reason".

I'm getting GOP Mafia flashbacks from this, where I let Hydrad get away with it because I kind of gave up any hope of reading him. I think town!Hydrad does at least try to help town when he's doing relevant stuff, and here I'm just getting a "whoopdidoo, who am I gonna vote now ? Who's a popular wagon, let's try that, could be fun".
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 09:25:55 pm
Oke doke Vote: hydrad
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on November 30, 2015, 09:26:43 pm
Sheeping is cool.

Vote: Silverspawn

interesting tm(how do I make it small...) a ss wagon. I'm curious to where this goes.

Also, this clearly indicated that he did read my question about his "interesting"* comment, but still didn't find it in him to respond. town!Hydrad cares more than that. He'd have given a wishy-washy answer, yeah, but still.

*For those not in the know, since there are quite a few in this game, there's a running joke on f.ds about "interesting" being Ichimaru Gin's (a mafia player, though it seems he's not playing anymore maybe ?) intellectual property, after I badgered him in a game for using it over and over. I didn't like it because the word, in the contest of mafia, means basically nothing, and is a way of commenting on something without actually saying anything of substance about it. So when Hydrad puts the "tm" after it, I'm guessing that's because I referenced Ichi in this post.

Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?

You own Ichimaru (can't say IG in this game) some money. What do you mean by "interesting" here ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 09:43:09 pm
Actually let's skip the unexplained vote thing. It's fun but this game is already too scattered.

Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is a scummy, scummy vote. It gets by because Hydrad is Hydrad and he does this all the time but come on. I think Hydrad just says what he thinks all the time, and how does town!Hydrad think "oooh, I'm on a growing wagon, better get off it quickly for no reason".

I'm getting GOP Mafia flashbacks from this, where I let Hydrad get away with it because I kind of gave up any hope of reading him. I think town!Hydrad does at least try to help town when he's doing relevant stuff, and here I'm just getting a "whoopdidoo, who am I gonna vote now ? Who's a popular wagon, let's try that, could be fun".

hmm I actually forgot I was on silver.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 09:44:10 pm
Sheeping is cool.

Vote: Silverspawn

interesting tm(how do I make it small...) a ss wagon. I'm curious to where this goes.

Also, this clearly indicated that he did read my question about his "interesting"* comment, but still didn't find it in him to respond. town!Hydrad cares more than that. He'd have given a wishy-washy answer, yeah, but still.

*For those not in the know, since there are quite a few in this game, there's a running joke on f.ds about "interesting" being Ichimaru Gin's (a mafia player, though it seems he's not playing anymore maybe ?) intellectual property, after I badgered him in a game for using it over and over. I didn't like it because the word, in the contest of mafia, means basically nothing, and is a way of commenting on something without actually saying anything of substance about it. So when Hydrad puts the "tm" after it, I'm guessing that's because I referenced Ichi in this post.

Also, because I darn well want to:

unvote
Vote: faust

I find it interesting how you have egork and haddock as kinda scummy people in your read list and then you vote faust. would you change faust to scummy read if you made another list right now?

You own Ichimaru (can't say IG in this game) some money. What do you mean by "interesting" here ?

And here ya I saw the PPE in one post. but thought it might confuse people if I jumped post responses in chronological order. So I just didn't respond until I had caught up to it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on November 30, 2015, 09:49:35 pm
also I'm impressed you knew I would of responded to that.

I was about to but then thought the reply to WW was enough.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on November 30, 2015, 10:22:10 pm
So scummy things about the igu reads list. there's a lot of stuff early...

Wow, lots happened. Including some reads lists. Now the game feels like it is really moving.

applauding town for making progress is scummy. I'm sure there are some players who do it as town, but I'm reasonably certain that new players are more likely to do it when they're scum. Like, "the game moving, and I'm helping!". Town does not need to say this.

disagree. Town says it often enough. Sure they might not need to say it, but I know I have said it before as town, or at least something similar.

Time to post my own reads list I think.
"... because that will make me towny!"

The claim means a lot. The posts pushing the game further help more. Some people are leaning slight town on Yuma; to me Yuma is the only obv!town player here. Like, I would be really surprised if he was fakeclaiming his role, and scum with a random vig doesn't make any sense at all.
Excessive buddying of a "semi-ic" is undoubtedly a scumtell (for newer players). Have you ever seen a new scum do the opposite?

I feel like here you are working under the assumption that iguana is mafia and then interpreting things he says as if he were mafia. I guess that is one approach. I look at this and am trying to see it an unknown light. It could be what you are saying, or it could simply be that he genuinely thinks I am what I am. That isn't so unreasonable to me. I for one think my claim is extremely townie, and not just because I am the one making it. I wouldn't have made it if I didn't think it would give me more townie credit than scum credit because what is the point of claiming your role like this if it just gets you lynched?

So I don't think it a stretch to see a townie treat me as a semi-IC. I would say that iguana did the same thing to faust in RMM28 where for a good portion of the game he was also a semi-IC. except that I think I am even townier than in that game due to the normal nature of this game and the RMM uncertainty of the other

From here on, it's less clear, but the whole thing is still scummy for being very, very easy to fabricate. This is the kind of list that everyone can write, all day. It pretends to be content, but it's not.

Long, fluffy, and careful. Look at this:

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Haddock: Like a lot of people, I'm having trouble reading Haddock. I want to say that most of his posts seem helpful, and that puts him on the slightly townier side of null for me.

Awaclus & Hydrad: I haven't seen enough from either player to have an opinion one way or another. Would like to see more attention paid to both.

I would also prefer more null reads.

You would prefer more null reads, you say, after he basically gives three null reads? I don't get it

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He's close enough to null that I could still be convinced he's town, but still looking scummier than most other people.

irrks

That was the bulk of it, I think. It is overall just exactly what a new player's scum list will look like.

and I am not sure what you are saying here... I mean I don't get a super townie feel from this list. But that isn't the purpose of these sort of lists. The purpose of these lists is that sometimes they can be useful to go back on during rereads and also for sometimes figuring out if there is enough support for a certain wagon.

I have a town read (mildly strong I would say) from other stuff iguana has posted and this case isn't enough of a catalyst to overcome that activation energy threshold to make me want to vote for him.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 30, 2015, 11:38:12 pm
[rant]

Rant over.

I like this rant.  I totally agree with it, and I totally think it is a perfect thing for scum!faust to do

Man, you just let Faust talk you down. Read your sig!

Eh...

I try not to kick people when they are down? Faust sounds frustrated with all the crap he's been getting lately, and to be fair I'm responsible for a fair portion of that.

It's not like I'm giving him town points for it. But I'd like to see a lot of people get a bit more involved in this game, not just Faust. There is plenty to go off of right now.

Like you, for instance! What exactly has WW contributed again?

This sounds like town to me.

Man, I'm suprised no one has gone after me for lurking.

You aren't lurking.  You have never lurked.

Fair.  I think the standard thing for scum is to try to float by, looking useful without causing too much of a stir.  There are exceptions, (Faust in the RMM game that just finished), but especially for people as myself who have played maybe 15 forum games total, we tend to not get TOO crazy as scum, especially early when not pressure.  Of course, having just said all that, it makes everything I do as potential scum WIFOM, but hey.  That's the game. 

I don't agree with lynching me because you don't know how I play as scum.  You want to lynch someone that either has a good potential of being scum (which really based on my playstyle I wouldn't lynch myself yet if I were another person in this game), or someone who will give boatloads of info on a flip.  Just lynching people cause you don't know how they play isn't very productive. 

Now, if the game goes later and you still have no idea if I'm scum or not, then you seriously start asking yourself: could this guy be scum?  But again you will probably end up realizing I'm not.  Course, I can't make up your mind for you; I'm just being honest about what you will probably end up thinking. 

Good stuff.  As Peyton Manning once said: "I like it."

As I say right now, "I don't like it."  This gives me all sorts of bad feelings about Ampharos being scum.  Like, seriously?  "Lynching people because you don't know their playstyle isn't very productive."  This is not about lynching you.  The conversation has never been about you (up to that point.  I recognize after there is some discussion.  I will get to that later tonight)

But really?  No one is attacking you, and the first thing you do is come out with a defense of yourself.  No one is even voting for you!  Yet you fiercely defend yourself like your life is on the line and we are about to do this terrible mislynch.  THAT is scummy. 

Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.

I am looking to bring this back up, so we can get back to scum hunting the real scum.  Also, that vote was not a pressure vote.  It was a "I think you are scum vote."  There is a difference.  A while back I classified different reasons for voting.  I am pretty sure this was just a bland old "I think you are scum" vote.

His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical
- LOOK, I TOTALLY DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE!

These are the most important ones.

There's also

- Look, I consider your scum read on me to be valid
- Look, I am totally calm about the option of lynching me and am judging it objectively
- Obligatory 'you will realize I'm town' near the end

All of those (except maybe the last one if you take it out of context) are more likely to be from fairly new scum than fairly new town

I'M NOT CALM ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY!!!! IT IS FREAKING ME OUT!
I AM SO TOTALLY PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE, SO MUCH THAT IT MAKES ME TYPE IN CAPS AND MISS PUNCUTATION!!!111oneoneone

But wait!  For only $29.99 more, you get:

Your scum read of me is totally not valid in any way!
I am peeing my pants cause I'm so scared about getting lynched!
You'll never get the fact that I'm town, so why try?


----------

In all seriousness, that last one is kinda true.  I see what you're doing, but you're just wasting my time (I would say our time but technically you don't know my role, so you get a pass this time.). Go at least look at Teproc.  Also, consider the fact that I'm not that new (around 15 forum games and several hundred irc) and have developed my own playstyle.

(There are 15 scum tells in the above sentences; if you don't get them all, you're scum!!!!1111 one)

This was a fun post.  But notice!  Ampharos basically goes back to the argument that he made BEFORE silverspawn voted him.  The whole, "you don't know me so you can't vote for me" argument.  Which is a fine argument, sure.  However, I think my point stands about defending yourself before anyone has even thought about "attacking" you is scummy.  It is all about self-preservation, not looking for scum.

My big problem with Ampharos claiming to be a veteran here is that he's not really doing anything to help town very much...

I mean, 'take a look at Teproc' does me little good when I already have taken a look at Teproc and what I see is pretty null. What am I supposed to be looking for? 'Teh Feelz'?

I really do like this iguana guy.  Read what I just said.  Ampharos isn't doing anything to help scum with his previous arguments.

iguana trying to get people in gear. thats good. I like iguana here. you get 5 town points. Now how strong are these town points? I have no idea as I haven't created the scale yet but I assure you its good.

Hey everyone, your friendly neighborhood Hydrad is here!

Eh?

SS is voting me, hoping to pressure me into saying something scummy.  Don't worry about it, because he changes votes about as often as... something cliche.  I'm looking to get this over with quickly, so we can get back to scum hunting.  I'll be back when we're ready for that.

Loving this. As in, I like this playstyle, though I'm not entirely sure which way it's going. I really should read games for all the people I don't know. I think I'm back to null on Amphares, this reminded me of me in Chococlate Factory, a reference... one whole person will know in this game. Long story short, I was newbie scum.

I was in chocolate factory too....But yeah.  I like Ampharos' playstyle.  It is fun and energetic and useful in stimulating conversation.

reads lists
more reads lists

I am a sucker for reads lists.  I love when people make them. 

I'd bet my non-existent hat you both are town.

That's interesting; in your previous reads list, iguana and silver only showed up as light town. What changed? Or are you just in a gambling mood?

The more Day 1 consistent headbutting between two people, the more likely they are to be stubborn townies refusing to give up their point.  That behavior draws too much attention.  It's important to note that this is very different than one person relentlessly going after another, and that can easily be a sign of scum on either side of that (i.e. your moves on GKrieg last game).

I really like this point

Could someone summarize the silverspawn case for me?

There is none.  I was really just wondering that myself.  Why are people voting for him.  He seems townie to me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 30, 2015, 11:45:29 pm
I like a vote: Ampharos

You know, something to get me on the board.  Plus he totally escaped scrutiny for his scumminess because (in my opinion) silverspawn voted him for the wrong reasons.

His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical
- LOOK, I TOTALLY DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED BY YOUR VOTE!

These are the most important ones.

There's also

- Look, I consider your scum read on me to be valid
- Look, I am totally calm about the option of lynching me and am judging it objectively
- Obligatory 'you will realize I'm town' near the end

All of those (except maybe the last one if you take it out of context) are more likely to be from fairly new scum than fairly new town

1) I do think about the possibility of scum!me because it is a hypothetical situation that people are faced with.  I don't think that is necessarily scummy.

2) This one is more valid, and along the reasoning of my vote.  Everything he did early was about prevention.  Running a defense before the opponent even made it onto the field.  There was no pressure, so why bother mention it?  Because it is prevents people from making that argument in the future.

I am all about taking a step back and looking at things objectively.  I mean, I even find myself agreeing with the ref when he makes a correct (but close) call against my team even though everyone else seems to get super upset.  I can distance myself from the situation, including in mafia, and that isn't a scum tell.

What I do think is a scum tell is shutting down arguments and cases before they are even made
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 30, 2015, 11:48:36 pm
Granted, Ampharos has been very useful and helpful since then.  He has toned down the crazy, and come through with some good theory talk (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg547150#msg547150) and stuff.  Because he has already escaped all attention on D1.

He brought attention to himself by opening with a good salvo.  He gets some people to vote him, but there is nothing there.  He calms down and gives some good contributions.  (Like I said, I am a sucker for reads posts (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg547032#msg547032)).  Which establishes him as not scum and helpful town.

I call it manipulation.

Good manipulation.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on November 30, 2015, 11:55:12 pm
reads (no particular order)

Town

silverspawn
RR
iguana
yuma
hydrad

meh
witherweaver
Teproc
EgorK
Awaclus
Haddock

scummier
Ampharos
faust

I felt kind of bad leaving Ampharos on his own with the scummier side of things so I threw faust in there too.  Not really sure what to think about Haddock at this point, Awaclus could be scum, Teproc is cool, witherweaver is interesting.

We still have a week to go, so I will hopefully be able to be much more active and contribute a lot more this second half of D1 (although work is being annoying right now and might have some late nights.  Plus west coast sucks because it seems like everyone else is asleep when I am around to post)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on November 30, 2015, 11:59:05 pm
Town vibes from 2.7.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 12:03:35 am
Town vibes from 2.7.

I also love how I get town reads for being v/la.  Basically every either forgot about me or gave me a town read.  Maybe I should vacation more. I think that is basically what that means.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 12:04:07 am
Town vibes from 2.7.

I also love how I get town reads for being v/la.  Basically every* either forgot about me or gave me a town read.  Maybe I should vacation more. I think that is basically what that means.

*everyone
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 12:05:41 am
Town vibes from 2.7.

I also love how I get town reads for being v/la.  Basically every either forgot about me or gave me a town read.  Maybe I should vacation more. I think that is basically what that means.
No, you get town vibes because of your recent post.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 12:34:48 am
Two pages behind, but thanks for all the <3.  Too bad buddying is scummy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 01, 2015, 02:31:04 am
Vote Count 1.7:

iguanaiguana (2): ss, Hydrad
silverspawn (2): WW, RR
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (2): faust, 2.7
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (2): Haddock, iguana
RR (1): EgorK
Hydrad (2): Teproc, yuma

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 07:27:00 am
I would of responded

please, stop! think about my feelings!! ;_;
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 07:33:10 am
disagree. Town says it often enough. Sure they might not need to say it, but I know I have said it before as town, or at least something similar.

I feel like here you are working under the assumption that iguana is mafia and then interpreting things he says as if he were mafia. I guess that is one approach. I look at this and am trying to see it an unknown light.  [...]

This is basically the same argument twice, and you can really use that on any case. Everything scum does, town can also do. I'm saying scum is more likely to do it. It's a probabilistic argument.

You would prefer more null reads, you say, after he basically gives three null reads? I don't get it
I guess that was awkwardly placed. It was a comment about the entire reads list, just accidentally placed under his null reads

but yes. three null reads aren't much. of course, null reads are worse than non-null reads, but I'm saying that a new town player would have a much harder time coming up with actual reads. Something like, 3 town reads, 1 scum read, rest null is what I would find towny.

Of course, this is again something town can do.

and I am not sure what you are saying here... I mean I don't get a super townie feel from this list. But that isn't the purpose of these sort of lists. The purpose of these lists is that sometimes they can be useful to go back on during rereads and also for sometimes figuring out if there is enough support for a certain wagon.

well... sure. okay. If that was the intent, then that's fine.

I think the intent was to look towny and to fabricate content.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 01, 2015, 07:39:19 am
Granted, Ampharos has been very useful and helpful since then.  He has toned down the crazy, and come through with some good theory talk (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg547150#msg547150) and stuff.  Because he has already escaped all attention on D1.

He brought attention to himself by opening with a good salvo.  He gets some people to vote him, but there is nothing there.  He calms down and gives some good contributions.  (Like I said, I am a sucker for reads posts (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14237.msg547032#msg547032)).  Which establishes him as not scum and helpful town.

I call it manipulation.

Good manipulation.

You forgot the part where I sent cookies to everyone's house.  Speaking of that, what's your address again?

In all seriousness, you have legit points.  I haven't really been scrutinized.  I'd like to think that my play is pretty openly town, but it might be a bit early to let me off the hook.  Give me more attention, dangit!  ::)

One thing I'd like to talk about is faust - we haven't had much discussion about him except for a few people throwing out little sentences here and there, and iguana and myself going after him a little bit.  Since you threw him in the scummy side of your list, what do you think?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 07:39:36 am
Quote
Eh...

I try not to kick people when they are down? Faust sounds frustrated with all the crap he's been getting lately, and to be fair I'm responsible for a fair portion of that.

It's not like I'm giving him town points for it. But I'd like to see a lot of people get a bit more involved in this game, not just Faust. There is plenty to go off of right now.

Like you, for instance! What exactly has WW contributed again?
This sounds like town to me.

... how on earth is that towny? or did you mean scummy? if you meant scummy, then you're right.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 07:47:38 am
You know, something to get me on the board.  Plus he totally escaped scrutiny for his scumminess because (in my opinion) silverspawn voted him for the wrong reasons.

His scum tells are

- Look, I am calmly thinking about the possibility of scum!me, but it doesn't matter, since it's all hypothetical [...]

1) I do think about the possibility of scum!me because it is a hypothetical situation that people are faced with.  I don't think that is necessarily scummy.

sure... it's a pro town thing to do.

That does not mean it's not a scum tell.

Note that I would not attribute any scum points to you for doing this, so the fact that you are doing it isn't really evidence. But newer players just are more likely to do it when they're scum. I believe this is common wisdom? 'The phrase "If I was scum" is a scumtell'?

I ordered my points by relevance, btw. that was the strongest argument.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 01, 2015, 07:56:43 am
Note that I would not attribute any scum points to you for doing this, so the fact that you are doing it isn't really evidence. But newer players just are more likely to do it when they're scum. I believe this is common wisdom? 'The phrase "If I were scum" is a scumtell'?
FTFY.  Grammar, people.
Actual contributions to come later.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 08:04:27 am
FTFY.  Grammar, people.
Actual contributions to come later.

Don't worry. I'm a friend of grammar. afa I'm concerned, it's a fine contribution.

... but I thought "If I was" and "If I were" are both equally valid?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 01, 2015, 08:19:30 am
... but I thought "If I was" and "If I were" are both equally valid?
That's not my understanding, at least as far as British English goes, no idea about US variants. 
"If I was" is probably in increasingly common usage, so people say we should let the language evolve.  But I say stagnate, people!  Stagnate!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 01, 2015, 08:33:07 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 08:48:35 am
As I say right now, "I don't like it."  This gives me all sorts of bad feelings about Ampharos being But really?  No one is attacking you, and the first thing you do is come out with a defense of yourself.  No one is even voting for you!  Yet you fiercely defend yourself like your life is on the line and we are about to do this terrible mislynch.  THAT is scummy.

I feel like this is one of those things that we repeatedly say is scummy and then lynch said person and he flips town. I mean, in principle I agree with you, but I feel that in application this train of thought has rarely worked out. People want to stay alive regardless of alignment and some people will react to slight pressure as if it is the world--and I think be more likely to do that as town in fact. But really, that opinion isn't backed up by anything--but neither is yours--except my memory of this argument not working in the past. I don't remember well enough to have any specific examples in mind.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 09:11:15 am

I guess that was awkwardly placed. It was a comment about the entire reads list, just accidentally placed under his null reads

but yes. three null reads aren't much. of course, null reads are worse than non-null reads, but I'm saying that a new town player would have a much harder time coming up with actual reads. Something like, 3 town reads, 1 scum read, rest null is what I would find towny.

Except that my lowest 'town' read was e, who I listed as being next to null, and the same more or less for WW on the other side! Plus I list you and Faust both as 'torn,' which is another way of saying that I have seen a confusing mix of scummy and apparently pro-town posts from you both that add up to me not having a strong opinion either way. To me this is another form of 'null.' If you don't like it, I don't know what to say, except I'm sorry but I intend to use it every game where someone is pushing me in both directions, so you'd better get used to it or you will always think I am scum.

At this point, I am pretty sure you will interpret nearly everything I say as scummy because you are already convinced of me. In fact, when I clarified my reasoning for my read on Yuma, you found it unfortunate that I could show it was authentic. So do I even respond to you anymore? What's even the point in continuing to defend myself when you are past the point of being willing to give me a chance?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:20:38 am
you should also know by now, whenever there is a wagon day 1 on me that I am town and whomever I'm voting for  is scum

Except that time we lynched you as scum Day 1.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:21:15 am
Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is silly, but I think indicative of a town Hydrad.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 09:22:33 am
So, everyone discussing silver case on iguana, right? I find them both towny (although slightly)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 09:22:56 am
While RR is really scum here
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:23:40 am
Actually let's skip the unexplained vote thing. It's fun but this game is already too scattered.

Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is a scummy, scummy vote. It gets by because Hydrad is Hydrad and he does this all the time but come on. I think Hydrad just says what he thinks all the time, and how does town!Hydrad think "oooh, I'm on a growing wagon, better get off it quickly for no reason".

I'm getting GOP Mafia flashbacks from this, where I let Hydrad get away with it because I kind of gave up any hope of reading him. I think town!Hydrad does at least try to help town when he's doing relevant stuff, and here I'm just getting a "whoopdidoo, who am I gonna vote now ? Who's a popular wagon, let's try that, could be fun".

Hydrad's sig is relevant here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:25:53 am
Vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 09:28:42 am
While RR is really scum here

Because he posted that rambling confessional?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:32:57 am
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
I don't believe you.

Okay, I had to go find it to make sure I was remembering correctly.

Game that just ended, town!SS Day 1 about town!RR:

that said, roadrunner is obv!town with this list.

Doing the exact same thing you did in a previous town game, to the extent of using the same language, is scum.  Because it opens up the "he does that as town" defense.  And it's well within our memories as it just happened.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:40:47 am

I guess that was awkwardly placed. It was a comment about the entire reads list, just accidentally placed under his null reads

but yes. three null reads aren't much. of course, null reads are worse than non-null reads, but I'm saying that a new town player would have a much harder time coming up with actual reads. Something like, 3 town reads, 1 scum read, rest null is what I would find towny.

Except that my lowest 'town' read was e, who I listed as being next to null, and the same more or less for WW on the other side! Plus I list you and Faust both as 'torn,' which is another way of saying that I have seen a confusing mix of scummy and apparently pro-town posts from you both that add up to me not having a strong opinion either way. To me this is another form of 'null.' If you don't like it, I don't know what to say, except I'm sorry but I intend to use it every game where someone is pushing me in both directions, so you'd better get used to it or you will always think I am scum.

At this point, I am pretty sure you will interpret nearly everything I say as scummy because you are already convinced of me. In fact, when I clarified my reasoning for my read on Yuma, you found it unfortunate that I could show it was authentic. So do I even respond to you anymore? What's even the point in continuing to defend myself when you are past the point of being willing to give me a chance?

This is a townie post.

You know, in case anyone was looking for one or anything.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 10:10:00 am
RR is as obv!town as ever. that's good.

This also.
What about this?

I'll explain later.
I don't believe you.

Okay, I had to go find it to make sure I was remembering correctly.

Game that just ended, town!SS Day 1 about town!RR:

that said, roadrunner is obv!town with this list.

Doing the exact same thing you did in a previous town game, to the extent of using the same language, is scum.  Because it opens up the "he does that as town" defense.  And it's well within our memories as it just happened.

I am not sure what you are saying here. i feel like I got lost somewhere in following.

Are you saying this implicates ss? cause I think it does. 1. for the point I think you brought up and 2. because he is suspecting iguana right now for making a reads list, but in that game he was giving out town credit for it?

1. I think is a stretch but 2. I think has more merit.

Did I really just talk myself back into being willing to vote for ss?

Yes, yes I did.
vote: ss
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:14:12 am
He's saying silver is deliberately replicating a precise line from a recent town game. I think you're saying the exact opposite ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:16:06 am
Well not the exact opposite, but WW's argument goes "silver is too eerily similar to a recent town game, seems fake", you're saying "look at how different silver is from his recent town game".
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:17:12 am
uhhhh what?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:17:29 am
Actually let's skip the unexplained vote thing. It's fun but this game is already too scattered.

Hmm so I have no clue where the votes are. I'm just guessing ss is at around 4? that sounds like a good number to me. So he should be fine.

But now that I'm caught up who do I get to vote for...

lets go Vote: Iguana

This is a scummy, scummy vote. It gets by because Hydrad is Hydrad and he does this all the time but come on. I think Hydrad just says what he thinks all the time, and how does town!Hydrad think "oooh, I'm on a growing wagon, better get off it quickly for no reason".

I'm getting GOP Mafia flashbacks from this, where I let Hydrad get away with it because I kind of gave up any hope of reading him. I think town!Hydrad does at least try to help town when he's doing relevant stuff, and here I'm just getting a "whoopdidoo, who am I gonna vote now ? Who's a popular wagon, let's try that, could be fun".

Hydrad's sig is relevant here.

It is if you haven't read my case. Since you clearly haven't, I'll briefly reiterate it just for you. town!Hydrad might be scummy, but he's not disinterested. He's trying to help. Hydrad is not doing that this game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:18:42 am
I made a reference. I make subtle references to things I know in fiction or things I've said before or things that someone has said to be all the time without anyone noticing them. It's such a basic part of my way of talking at this point that I barely even notice.

Claiming that's a scum tell is complete nonsense.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 11:19:11 am
You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:19:19 am
Thinking about it more, I actually see what you're getting at yuma I think. You're saying he's trying to replicate his precedent town game and betrays himself by actually being illogical ?

I disagree, because I think there's nothing more scummy than logic, unfortunately.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:19:44 am
You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

Seriously though, do you disagree with my point ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:20:21 am
you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 11:20:59 am
You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

Seriously though, do you disagree with my point ?

Yeah, I think Hydrad is just being Hydrad, and he's not particularly helpful because he's been detached from all of Mafia as of late.  I would think that scum!Hydrad would try a little harder to appear helpful, but, hey, it's Hydrad. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 11:22:24 am
you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda

OMGUSBNETLMVOY
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:22:48 am
you know, instead of actually giving me credit for accurately determining RR's alignment (insert gut feeling)

vote: WW

vote: iguanda

OMGUSBNETLMVOY

you could at least have the decency to give an actual response
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:24:05 am
Well not the exact opposite, but WW's argument goes "silver is too eerily similar to a recent town game, seems fake", you're saying "look at how different silver is from his recent town game".

Why can't it be both at the same time?

That said, like I said, I think #2 has a lot more weight than #1. WW's post just happened to showcase that and bring it to my attention, not that I necessarily agree with him.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:27:39 am
Thinking about it more, I actually see what you're getting at yuma I think. You're saying he's trying to replicate his precedent town game and betrays himself by actually being illogical ?

I disagree, because I think there's nothing more scummy than logic, unfortunately.

I think that is the opposite of what I am saying.

I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. I realized it because of WW's post from RMM28. That is an inconsistency. Inconsistency in and of itself isn't scummy, but trying to push a case based completely off that premise, which I frankly disagree with, is a bit more scummy.

And it isn't that he is being illogical. It is that he is being logical, but still not completely making sense. Do you remember how TA felt about me in GOP? That is how I feel about ss right now. He just feels off. Now, as I mentioned before part of that is that this might be the first time I have been town playing a game with him, but he still just feels different and isn't speaking the sense that I typically expect him to speak.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:34:08 am
I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.

seriously?

you can't tell me that you are serious about this
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:34:38 am
he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:35:40 am
Hey, yuma

you are giving me scum points for a post I made

earlier, you were giving me town points for a post I made

that's an inconsistency. vote: yuma
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:36:08 am
I am saying here he is finding iguana scummy for creating a reads list. There, when he was town, he gave RR obv!town points for it. That is an inconsistency.

seriously?

you can't tell me that you are serious about this

I really have no desire to interact with you when you want to turn this into a screaming match...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:36:44 am
Hey, yuma

you are giving me scum points for a post I made

earlier, you were giving me town points for a post I made

that's an inconsistency. vote: yuma

and now you are OMGUSing

Great.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:37:05 am
I've trouble deciding whether I believe that town yuma would pursue such an incredibly poor argument. if not, my vote might actually be fine now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:37:42 am
Hey, yuma

you are giving me scum points for a post I made

earlier, you were giving me town points for a post I made

that's an inconsistency. vote: yuma

and now you are OMGUSing

Great.

good job ignoring the actual argument
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 11:38:56 am
Please don't do this guys.

I agree it's an astoundingly poor argument. I doubt yuma actually means it, or maybe he expressed it poorly.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:39:10 am
stop acting the fool and I'll interact with you. but I will not be bullied or yelled at. I didn't sign up for that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 11:40:13 am
I have to agree with silver. Obviously different reads lists from different people can cause different reads.

Disclaimer: I didn't reread that RR reads list from the other game, so I don't know about the similarities.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:40:37 am
I don't even know how to accurately express my feelings.

I mean, yuma, if you vote for me, get me to be emotional, unvote me, and then revote me like this, you should expect a reaction.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:44:13 am
I don't even know how to accurately express my feelings.

I mean, yuma, if you vote for me, get me to be emotional, unvote me, and then revote me like this, you should expect a reaction.

fine react. this is me reacting to you reacting. you should expect a reaction when you are belligerently rude and shout at me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 11:44:35 am
stop acting the fool and I'll interact with you. but I will not be bullied or yelled at. I didn't sign up for that.

the worst I did was call your argument stupid and increase the font in the corresponding quote.

I recall you calling Awaclus HHSNBN, calling his playstyle anti town, and quoting parts where other people spoke negatively about him. You did that this game too, I believe.

Not that I mind, and I'm not even sure it bothers Awaclus, but I think it's pretty unfair to accuse me of bullying in light of that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 11:45:21 am
stop acting the fool and I'll interact with you. but I will not be bullied or yelled at. I didn't sign up for that.

the worst I did was call your argument stupid and increase the font in the corresponding quote.

I recall you calling Awaclus HHSNBN, calling his playstyle anti town, and quoting parts where other people spoke negatively about him. You did that this game too, I believe.

Not that I mind, and I'm not even sure it bothers Awaclus, but I think it's pretty unfair to accuse me of bullying in light of that.

This is not a competition.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 01, 2015, 11:46:23 am
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 11:48:14 am
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.

I understand you are frustrated by silverspawn. His latest post are inconsiderate. Please do not be inconsiderate by ruining the game for the rest of us.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 11:48:23 am
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.

I bet you won't do it if it's you!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 11:48:48 am
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.

I understand you are frustrated by silverspawn. His latest post are inconsiderate. Please do not be inconsiderate by ruining the game for the rest of us.

What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 11:54:41 am
What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.

I am not convinced. Form my experience, scum!silver plays differently... less aggressive, less tunnel-ly. The thing he does now makes sense as a scum play, but I don't think silver would use emotional manipulation like that... that's more the field of people like ash or Robz.

And I still do not quite understand the case on silver. I would rather lynch a player who does not push the game forward and does not create a ton of interaction unless there's some actually compelling reason.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 12:05:35 pm
His latest post are inconsiderate.

Okay, I'm sorry. Posts #669 and #670 were unnecessarily rude. #671 describes my feelings well enough, and I should have just submitted that without the previous two. yuma didn't really do anything at that point besides sheeping a case. sheeping a case is no reason to get rude.

#681 I don't know. It wasn't productive, but I can't pretend to not feel like it was warranted.

What made this game so frustrating on such short notice is, well, I think it's two things.

One is just that I was really happy when I people to unvote, and then they revoted.
The other one is mostly WW. First he made a really good point. Then he made a bunch of meh points. That's fine. But when I point out why they're bad, I never get answers. And then people sheep those points. That doesn't help.

Why aren't you defending your case if someone is attacking it? I only see two situations where it wouldn't be anti town to do that; one is if you're giving up the case, in which case you should stop voting, and the other one is if you have reasons to believe that the argument would be unproductive. #1 didn't happen and I don't see why you should think #2 would apply.

But nonetheless, sorry for #669 and #670
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 12:05:58 pm
What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.

I am not convinced. Form my experience, scum!silver plays differently... less aggressive, less tunnel-ly. The thing he does now makes sense as a scum play, but I don't think silver would use emotional manipulation like that... that's more the field of people like ash or Robz.

And I still do not quite understand the case on silver. I would rather lynch a player who does not push the game forward and does not create a ton of interaction unless there's some actually compelling reason.

So who would that be?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 12:26:13 pm
#681 I don't know. It wasn't productive, but I can't pretend to not feel like it was warranted.

Well this is the one I have most of an issue with. People get to express their feelings no matter who they are. You cannot say "your feelings are not valid because of this and that you did". If someone - anyone - feels bullied, then the first thing is to accept that they feel that way.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 12:27:28 pm
What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.

I am not convinced. Form my experience, scum!silver plays differently... less aggressive, less tunnel-ly. The thing he does now makes sense as a scum play, but I don't think silver would use emotional manipulation like that... that's more the field of people like ash or Robz.

And I still do not quite understand the case on silver. I would rather lynch a player who does not push the game forward and does not create a ton of interaction unless there's some actually compelling reason.

So who would that be?

I'm voting Ampharos and I think that's good obviously. Egor, Hydrad and you are also decent targets. Awaclus maybe.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 12:34:38 pm
#681 I don't know. It wasn't productive, but I can't pretend to not feel like it was warranted.

Well this is the one I have most of an issue with. People get to express their feelings no matter who they are. You cannot say "your feelings are not valid because of this and that you did". If someone - anyone - feels bullied, then the first thing is to accept that they feel that way.

So... I 100% totally agree with that last statement. I think every reason to be offended is equally valid, because feelings are by definition subjective.

However.

If you are accusing someone of doing something while doing more of that something yourself, then you are representing a double standard. Even that doesn't change how you feel, but I think it subducts the right to complain about it.

If someone else had accused me of the same thing, different story.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 01, 2015, 12:44:47 pm
I recall you calling Awaclus HHSNBN, calling his playstyle anti town, and quoting parts where other people spoke negatively about him. You did that this game too, I believe.

Not that I mind, and I'm not even sure it bothers Awaclus

What he says doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is that regardless of what he says or doesn't say, he doesn't take me seriously.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 12:44:54 pm
What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.

I am not convinced. Form my experience, scum!silver plays differently... less aggressive, less tunnel-ly. The thing he does now makes sense as a scum play, but I don't think silver would use emotional manipulation like that... that's more the field of people like ash or Robz.

And I still do not quite understand the case on silver. I would rather lynch a player who does not push the game forward and does not create a ton of interaction unless there's some actually compelling reason.

So who would that be?

I'm voting Ampharos and I think that's good obviously. Egor, Hydrad and you are also decent targets. Awaclus maybe.

Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 12:45:26 pm
Lol @ timing
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 12:48:00 pm
Also, I spent like half an hour trying to make a picture of Isa the Iguana (from Dora the explorer) and Twilight Sparkle hi-fiving each other as a peace offering to ss, and came up with nothing but absolute failure. Chromebooks can suck.

I guess people will just have to imagine it? And hopefully not be really pissed off?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 12:53:25 pm
Also, I spent like half an hour trying to make a picture of Isa the Iguana (from Dora the explorer) and Twilight Sparkle hi-fiving each other as a peace offering to ss, and came up with nothing but absolute failure. Chromebooks can suck.

I guess people will just have to imagine it? And hopefully not be really pissed off?

uh...  I don't think there is anything between us that requires a peace offering?

The only problem I have with you is that I think you're scum in this game.

Although the fact that you assume I have a problem... *sigh* does indicate that you're town, because scum!you has less reason to assume this.

this is the second towny thing you did after the reads list. my strong scum read on you has degenerated to an average/weak read.

still more scum than town, though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 12:55:16 pm
But the more important reason to unvote here is that the vote isn't doing anything, because no-one else is willing to lynch you.

vote: Amorph then
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 12:56:26 pm
okay that's probably not an appropriate nickname

vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 01, 2015, 12:56:56 pm
Also, I spent like half an hour trying to make a picture of Isa the Iguana (from Dora the explorer) and Twilight Sparkle hi-fiving each other as a peace offering to ss, and came up with nothing but absolute failure. Chromebooks can suck.

I guess people will just have to imagine it? And hopefully not be really pissed off?

I find your lack of photoshop skills disturbing.

Also, I am pretty much lost by all this 8 levels deep argumentating.  It seems like you were all enjoying yourselves until that because not the case, but I'm just kinda sitting here on my hands, vaguely reading words and feeling my eyes glaze over.  At least someone voted for me, I understand that!  Exciting! And faust said his vows to make faustaros eternally binding.  That's cool. 

Summary as far as I'm aware:  ss and iguana argue.  ss and yuma argue.  yuma gets upset, leaves, will hopefully come back soon.  That's about what I've gotten out of this.  That and I'm not so sure Yuma is for sure town anymore. 

PPE: I like nicknames.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 12:59:51 pm
Also, I spent like half an hour trying to make a picture of Isa the Iguana (from Dora the explorer) and Twilight Sparkle hi-fiving each other as a peace offering to ss, and came up with nothing but absolute failure. Chromebooks can suck.

I guess people will just have to imagine it? And hopefully not be really pissed off?

uh...  I don't think there is anything between us that requires a peace offering?

The only problem I have with you is that I think you're scum in this game.

Although the fact that you assume I have a problem... *sigh* does indicate that you're town, because scum!you has less reason to assume this.

this is the second towny thing you did after the reads list. my strong scum read on you has degenerated to an average/weak read.

still more scum than town, though.

To be fair, the peace offering idea had more to do with my thinking that that a picture of Isa the Iguana and Twilight sparkle hi-fiving would be hilarious. I wouldn't give me town points for it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 01, 2015, 01:04:33 pm
Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.
I find Awa towny in this game precisely because he's lurking.  It seems to me that lurky Awa is town!Awa.  It's when he starts talking a bunch, that's when you need to start thinking he might be scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 01:09:45 pm
Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.
I find Awa towny in this game precisely because he's lurking.  It seems to me that lurky Awa is town!Awa.  It's when he starts talking a bunch, that's when you need to start thinking he might be scum.

You've learned this after.. one other game with him?  Two?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 01, 2015, 01:48:21 pm
My data is admittedly limited, but yes thats my two games.
I got the impression that other people thought the same way, but im happy to be told im completely wrong about this.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2015, 01:49:48 pm
Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.
I find Awa towny in this game precisely because he's lurking.  It seems to me that lurky Awa is town!Awa.  It's when he starts talking a bunch, that's when you need to start thinking he might be scum.

You've learned this after.. one other game with him?  Two?

I actually think the third game you play with someone is generally the highpoint for your ability to read them.

Like, what have you learned about Awaclus in any game he played past the third ?

I think Haddock is onto something here. I think Awaclus is a bit more productive as scum. A tiny bit. Hard to tell where he lands this game though, so far.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 02:18:30 pm
Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 02:19:52 pm
I mean, I never feel excited when someone votes me when I town. It is a waste. On the other hand when I am scum that's a challenge
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 02:34:59 pm
What do you think about Silverspawn?  I don't recall you responding to anything I said after you asked about him, but I could have missed it.

I am not convinced. Form my experience, scum!silver plays differently... less aggressive, less tunnel-ly. The thing he does now makes sense as a scum play, but I don't think silver would use emotional manipulation like that... that's more the field of people like ash or Robz.

And I still do not quite understand the case on silver. I would rather lynch a player who does not push the game forward and does not create a ton of interaction unless there's some actually compelling reason.

So who would that be?

I'm voting Ampharos and I think that's good obviously. Egor, Hydrad and you are also decent targets. Awaclus maybe.

Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.

Lurking is usually more of a town tell for Awaclus.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 02:37:11 pm
Why a maybe on Awaclus? I have never seen him lurk this much. Though I will confess to not having read more than two or three of his games. And obviously there could be reasons for lurking that are not related to the game.

I just don't see why he gets more of a pass from you than any of the others you mentioned.
I find Awa towny in this game precisely because he's lurking.  It seems to me that lurky Awa is town!Awa.  It's when he starts talking a bunch, that's when you need to start thinking he might be scum.

Ha! The guy know the stuff.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 02:38:50 pm
Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Peace people. I am just chiming in to say that a agree with the general consensus and don't have anything new to add.

Vote: Egor
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 03:15:04 pm
Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Peace people. I am just chiming in to say that a agree with the general consensus and don't have anything new to add.

Vote: Egor

This is the worst case on me ever
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 03:54:23 pm
/lurk
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 04:02:26 pm
/lurk

Why?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 04:16:56 pm
/lurk

Why?
PSATS.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 04:22:13 pm
/lurk

Why?
PSATS.

pedit sai ai tof sost?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 01, 2015, 04:22:41 pm
if yes you need to actually pedit something, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 01, 2015, 04:29:25 pm
I think he means Pre-SATs (scholastic aptitude tests?). The SAT is a common test that high schoolers take for a big part of their college resume. The PSAT is usually taken by high school freshman to give them an idea of how well they will do when they are older.

Roadrunner's probably gunna get like a 2200.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 04:42:20 pm
I think he means Pre-SATs (scholastic aptitude tests?). The SAT is a common test that high schoolers take for a big part of their college resume. The PSAT is usually taken by high school freshman to give them an idea of how well they will do when they are older.

Roadrunner's probably gunna get like a 2200.
As flattered as I am, they were really tough. I know I missed at least three problems.

But I'm home now, so back to Mafia!
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 04:45:00 pm
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

That's exactly what he does.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 04:48:41 pm
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

That's exactly what he does.

Would I want to do this I can just continue with my semilurky meta
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 04:53:04 pm
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

That's exactly what he does.

Would I want to do this I can just continue with my semilurky meta

That's exactly what you do.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 04:54:13 pm
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

That's exactly what he does.
That's not really good play for scum. Does he do this as scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 05:12:59 pm
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

That's exactly what he does.
That's not really good play for scum. Does he do this as scum?

His last scum game I remember was Buffy/Angel... there he pretty much did that, yeah.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 05:21:18 pm
Anyway, this interaction seems fruitless as I disagree on both facts and logic. When you'd have case other then "follows his previous meta (both scum and town)" (and I disagree that I do) I'd gladly discuss that
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 05:24:16 pm
Anyway, this interaction seems fruitless as I disagree on both facts and logic. When you'd have case other then "follows his previous meta (both scum and town)" (and I disagree that I do) I'd gladly discuss that

My case is now that you misrepresent my case on you to make it look weaker than it is.

And in other news, having an anti-town meta is no excuse for being anti-town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 05:29:02 pm
Anyway, this interaction seems fruitless as I disagree on both facts and logic. When you'd have case other then "follows his previous meta (both scum and town)" (and I disagree that I do) I'd gladly discuss that

My case is now that you misrepresent my case on you to make it look weaker than it is.

And in other news, having an anti-town meta is no excuse for being anti-town.

What exactly I misrepresent? Enlighten us please, as now I take your remark as trying to cast me in negative light without providing facts.

Is your vote policy then?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 05:57:36 pm
Anyway, I'd go to sleep now. Hope to see your answer
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 01, 2015, 06:11:06 pm
I don't know what you want, it's all there:

Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Peace people. I am just chiming in to say that a agree with the general consensus and don't have anything new to add.

Vote: Egor

You were not only lurking, but when you come here, you take a very hedgy convenient position. If someone makes a good case on silver, you can join that wagon. If the Ampharos lynch goes through, you can join this wagon.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 01, 2015, 09:19:55 pm
24 post. but i'll post more later tonight.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 10:25:09 pm
24 post. but i'll post more later tonight.
I'll be waiting.
Who are we trying to lynch today?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 10:29:20 pm
Question for anyone who knows the answer
Are you allowed to reference a person's status outside of the game. By this I mean saying something like 'EgorK is currently online, why isn't he defending himself?' Or saying 'I saw Faust wrote an article on Scout, why is he lurking in this game?'
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 10:40:03 pm
Question for anyone who knows the answer
Are you allowed to reference a person's status outside of the game. By this I mean saying something like 'EgorK is currently online, why isn't he defending himself?' Or saying 'I saw Faust wrote an article on Scout, why is he lurking in this game?'

I suggest not.  Isn't explicitly against the rules, but against the spirit I'd say.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 01, 2015, 11:01:47 pm
I don't know what you want, it's all there:

Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Peace people. I am just chiming in to say that a agree with the general consensus and don't have anything new to add.

Vote: Egor

You were not only lurking, but when you come here, you take a very hedgy convenient position. If someone makes a good case on silver, you can join that wagon. If the Ampharos lynch goes through, you can join this wagon.

So, I should close my mind and pretend I know who is which alignment by this stage of D1? I know only one faction which probably in that position, and its not town

Actually for me to vote for silver he probably need to do something, I do not believe someone can convince me based on his play so far that he is scum
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 11:06:41 pm
Vote: EgorK
It seems like he's using reverse reverse psychology. He doesn't seem sincere anymore.

Maybe I'll post a useless essay on him. After all, I need to get my post count up after all my lurking.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 11:53:17 pm
Interesting response from ampharos, but basically what we can expect I guess
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 11:53:40 pm
Not a fan of the egork lynch right now
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 01, 2015, 11:54:23 pm
Not a fan of the egork lynch right now
That's okay, we only need a simple majority (rounded up).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 11:58:36 pm
Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Then vote for him. Or are you? I can't think right now. Been at work for 15 hours
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 01, 2015, 11:58:59 pm
Not a fan of the egork lynch right now
That's okay, we only need a simple majority (rounded up).

You need to vote for ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 12:01:11 am
Not a fan of the egork lynch right now
That's okay, we only need a simple majority (rounded up).

You need to vote for ampharos
I agree.

But why?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 12:26:35 am
Peace, people

I agree that case on silver is very weak
I am also feeling scummy vibes from Ampharos

Then vote for him. Or are you? I can't think right now. Been at work for 15 hours

But RR is so scum. First he put me s his top town read after my case on him, when I had not backed off he spent quite some time to find reasons to vote for me instead and bingo - here he is
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 12:29:35 am
Oh, and we can talk about HP now. There he tried to emulate his usual meta, but got caught pretty quickly (lynched D2). So this game he is going for changing his meta completely
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 02, 2015, 05:15:40 am
ok I'm here now. I'll try to read the last 2 pages now.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 02, 2015, 05:20:24 am
You're telling me I gotta read too?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

Seriously though, do you disagree with my point ?

Yeah, I think Hydrad is just being Hydrad, and he's not particularly helpful because he's been detached from all of Mafia as of late.  I would think that scum!Hydrad would try a little harder to appear helpful, but, hey, it's Hydrad.

I just hate seeing games waiting for players so I keep joining them. and then I end up lurking... These asher games that force me to post though are starting to help me get out of lurking though! hurrah.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 02, 2015, 05:22:11 am
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.

aww nooo :( come back when you feel like it. Your in my top 5 for players I like.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 02, 2015, 05:30:01 am
so as for the case on ss I'm actually interested so many people keep saying its super weak. Like I guess its not amazing but for day 1 everyone seems to be instantly saying no to it. Which is interesting. Personally I was kinda being persuaded to vote ss before like 4 people said how its a bad case so I dunno just thought I should post that.

As for amp I don't fully comprehend why hes the lynch here also. I know he did some weird stuff but I guess I didn't expect this many people to go through with him.

man I'm using interesting a ton now also.

Also I know there was another thing I wanted to post... but now I can't remember it at all and its bugging me. So I guess I'm just ending this post here. If I remember I'll make a new post!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 06:56:55 am
I'd appreciate if people drop "Nah, RR is obv town here" attitude and rather analyze my arguments at face value
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 07:09:05 am
so as for the case on ss I'm actually interested so many people keep saying its super weak. Like I guess its not amazing but for day 1 everyone seems to be instantly saying no to it. Which is interesting. Personally I was kinda being persuaded to vote ss before like 4 people said how its a bad case so I dunno just thought I should post that.

I wouldn't know. I don't know what case you are referring to.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 07:31:24 am
We're just going through the same arguments as before, just this time with the people that didn't participate in them during the 1st part of day one. 

What I am going to be interested to see is when the wagons start taking off.  The voting patterns should tell us a good bit. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 07:33:24 am
I'd appreciate if people drop "Nah, RR is obv town here" attitude and rather analyze my arguments at face value
But I am obviously town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 02, 2015, 07:42:03 am
Right I can talk about this now.

The reason I voted SS was because he seemed to be behaving very differently to what he was in JK++, where I had a fairly strong townread on him.
I then unvoted because I realised that he might still have been the SK in JK++, I could have just been completely wrong.  I wanted to check that he was town in JK++ before I voted him here for just being different to that.  Obviously if he were scum in JK++ then voting him here for being different would be stupid.

But no, he was town in JK++ and I still think he's being different here (though maybe slightly less so recently).

So vote: ss.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 07:56:56 am
Not a fan of the egork lynch right now
That's okay, we only need a simple majority (rounded up).

You need to vote for ampharos


Ok, so I am voting for EgorK. And I haven't seen anything from him in particular that makes me want to unvote yet. But you are saying EgorK is bad, and Ampharos is good. I'd really like to hear your reasoning because as for right now my viewpoint is the complete opposite of this.

Luckily this game has pretty long days, so we are still not in any real risk of the day running out, but it worries me a bit that we are almost a full week into the game and we still haven't seen very much by way of wagons forming.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 07:57:54 am
Right I can talk about this now.

The reason I voted SS was because he seemed to be behaving very differently to what he was in JK++, where I had a fairly strong townread on him.
I then unvoted because I realised that he might still have been the SK in JK++, I could have just been completely wrong.  I wanted to check that he was town in JK++ before I voted him here for just being different to that.  Obviously if he were scum in JK++ then voting him here for being different would be stupid.

But no, he was town in JK++ and I still think he's being different here (though maybe slightly less so recently).

So vote: ss.


Eh.............................


Can you be more specific than just "he feels different"?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 08:02:57 am
Actually I think we should not prolong day too much. First, I think days where more time is most important is D2 and D3. Also when we'll try to analyze flips D2 we will hate ourselves if D1 was 100 pages. Yes, it should not be 10 pages either, but I think D1 longer that 10 real world days is excessive.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 08:17:04 am
Can you be more specific than just "he feels different"?

unfortunately, I think 'he feels different' is the second best case that I've heard so far.

No idea why I feel different, though. I should feel exactly the same.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 02, 2015, 08:19:08 am
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Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 08:19:56 am
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Nice scumslip.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 08:31:40 am
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I am very sad about that as playing with you were generally fun. It is a pity that you decide to victimize yourself here and make game not fun for everyone else. If you do not want to play anymore there is option for sub
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 08:32:26 am
Another thing to take into account is that we have a very dangerous threat from Yuma: auto lynch anyone at L-1 when he's on. 

This is essentially the equivalent of a scum quick-hammer, except I believe Yuma to be town, which makes it even worse.  If we can't come up with anyone solid to lynch, I would be okay removing him from the game in his current state, since it is of negative town usefullness.  It's not a very good lynch since most of us seem to believe him town and we wouldn't get a ton of info from it, but I have seen scum do this turtling thing before, pretending to be hurt and really just hiding.  It is a possibility to consider if we cannot agree on another solid target.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 08:36:03 am
Another thing to take into account is that we have a very dangerous threat from Yuma: auto lynch anyone at L-1 when he's on. 

This is essentially the equivalent of a scum quick-hammer, except I believe Yuma to be town, which makes it even worse.  If we can't come up with anyone solid to lynch, I would be okay removing him from the game in his current state, since it is of negative town usefullness.  It's not a very good lynch since most of us seem to believe him town and we wouldn't get a ton of info from it, but I have seen scum do this turtling thing before, pretending to be hurt and really just hiding.  It is a possibility to consider if we cannot agree on another solid target.

Also if he hadn't lied about his role (probably) he can cause more harm at night as well
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 08:37:23 am
Another thing to take into account is that we have a very dangerous threat from Yuma: auto lynch anyone at L-1 when he's on. 

This is essentially the equivalent of a scum quick-hammer, except I believe Yuma to be town, which makes it even worse.  If we can't come up with anyone solid to lynch, I would be okay removing him from the game in his current state, since it is of negative town usefullness.  It's not a very good lynch since most of us seem to believe him town and we wouldn't get a ton of info from it, but I have seen scum do this turtling thing before, pretending to be hurt and really just hiding.  It is a possibility to consider if we cannot agree on another solid target.

Also if he hadn't lied about his role (probably) he can cause more harm at night as well

Wait, is this saying you believe yuma lied about his role? Why do you think that?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 08:39:17 am
if he hadn't lied about his role (probably)

Note that negation. He probably hadn't lied
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 08:39:47 am
Another thing to take into account is that we have a very dangerous threat from Yuma: auto lynch anyone at L-1 when he's on. 

This is essentially the equivalent of a scum quick-hammer, except I believe Yuma to be town, which makes it even worse.  If we can't come up with anyone solid to lynch, I would be okay removing him from the game in his current state, since it is of negative town usefullness.  It's not a very good lynch since most of us seem to believe him town and we wouldn't get a ton of info from it, but I have seen scum do this turtling thing before, pretending to be hurt and really just hiding.  It is a possibility to consider if we cannot agree on another solid target.

Also if he hadn't lied about his role (probably) he can cause more harm at night as well

I didn't even think about this.  Yes, that's vastly more dangerous to town that his quickhammer threat.  Good point.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 08:42:04 am
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yuma, this is day 1. If you really don't want to play this game, ask to be replaced out. Not this though.

To be clear, the ideal solution would be to, you know, play. But this nonsense is not cool.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 02, 2015, 08:46:43 am
Vote Count 1.8:

iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (1): Haddock
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): 2.7, WW, ss
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, faust, RR
RR (1): EgorK
Hydrad (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 09:02:07 am
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I am very sad about that as playing with you were generally fun. It is a pity that you decide to victimize yourself here and make game not fun for everyone else. If you do not want to play anymore there is option for sub

This.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 09:03:58 am
Egor and Ampharos trying to get the easy yuma lynch strengthens my scumreads here. I think we have good wagons, but they should be larger.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:07:47 am
Egor and Ampharos trying to get the easy yuma lynch strengthens my scumreads here. I think we have good wagons, but they should be larger.
No.  If I was trying to lynch him I would have voted him.  I brought up this whole discussion, true, but I'm doing it to make town aware of the danger and that we should discuss possible ways to deal with it.

You know what IS scummy?  The fact that no matter how much I ask people about you or other people mention you as possible scum, no discussion ever comes of it?  It's impossible to get anything started on you and there's a possible explanation why: your more vocal scum partners are leaving you entirely alone.

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:09:11 am
Egor and Ampharos trying to get the easy yuma lynch strengthens my scumreads here. I think we have good wagons, but they should be larger.
You know what IS scummy?  The fact that no matter how much I ask people about you or other people mention you as possible scum, no discussion ever comes of it?  It's impossible to get anything started on you and there's a possible explanation why: your more vocal scum partners are leaving you entirely alone.

So, between "everyone other than me is scum conspiring to not lynch faust" and "people don't agree with me", you're going for the former, huh ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:09:42 am
Egor and Ampharos trying to get the easy yuma lynch strengthens my scumreads here. I think we have good wagons, but they should be larger.

But I do not want to lynch yuma. I think he is town. I hope it would be resolved some other way. And besides RR is scum
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:10:55 am
Egor and Ampharos trying to get the easy yuma lynch strengthens my scumreads here. I think we have good wagons, but they should be larger.
You know what IS scummy?  The fact that no matter how much I ask people about you or other people mention you as possible scum, no discussion ever comes of it?  It's impossible to get anything started on you and there's a possible explanation why: your more vocal scum partners are leaving you entirely alone.

So, between "everyone other than me is scum conspiring to not lynch faust" and "people don't agree with me", you're going for the former, huh ?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

My word.  Of course it's not!  Sheesh!  You know FULL WELL that it's harder to lynch scum because their buddies won't typically vote them.  Come on now, have some common sense.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:13:14 am
vote: EgorK

PPE : You're saying more than that though. Scum is, in your scenario, only 2 people other than faust, in the case of a single scum team. So you're focusing on the fact that those two people must be dominating the conversation so much taht they're suffocating any hope of takling about scum!faust, when in reality that still leaves everyone else who simply doesn't share your read.

I hope you realize how easily I could replicate this reasoning to anyone in this game who hasn't had a wagon yet. Obviously Hydrad must be scum, I made a great case (YMMV) on him and no one followed !
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:15:42 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:18:06 am
vote: EgorK

PPE : You're saying more than that though. Scum is, in your scenario, only 2 people other than faust, in the case of a single scum team. So you're focusing on the fact that those two people must be dominating the conversation so much taht they're suffocating any hope of takling about scum!faust, when in reality that still leaves everyone else who simply doesn't share your read.

I hope you realize how easily I could replicate this reasoning to anyone in this game who hasn't had a wagon yet. Obviously Hydrad must be scum, I made a great case (YMMV) on him and no one followed !

I'd say it is critical to realize who you've tried to wagon and that no one has bitten.  It's either because there's a consensus that that person is town, or because for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them.   Just as I'm doing with Faust, I'd encourage you to do with Hydrad if you think he might be scum.  Push the issue, make noise, really work it and if you don't get any results, ask yourself why that is.

Also, how do you know there are only 3 scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:18:58 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?

Help me out with what sheep means - I either forgot or was never told.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 09:20:01 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?

Help me out with what sheep means - I either forgot or was never told.

if A votes for B and that makes you also vote for B, then you are sheeping A.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:20:33 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?

Help me out with what sheep means - I either forgot or was never told.

Agreeing to arguments/deferring to judgment of someone else without presenting additional arguments
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 09:20:57 am
You know what IS scummy?  The fact that no matter how much I ask people about you or other people mention you as possible scum, no discussion ever comes of it?  It's impossible to get anything started on you and there's a possible explanation why: your more vocal scum partners are leaving you entirely alone.

That is not scummy. If there were actual reasons to find me scummy, it would be. But all you offered so far is:

Basically, I want you to know why I'm voting for you but am having a hard time finding the correct words.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:21:56 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?

Your tunneling looks to me like posturing. Tunneling on someone who has very little chance to get lynched is a pretty nice way to spend your day 1 as scum, as you don't have to engage in the dirty business of a mislynch, or meaningful interactions with anyone.

Also, I suspet scum is glad of how this day is going so far, with no wagons forming, so I'd expect them to be in the pile of individual votes.

PPE : I don't know that, but it's a safe assumption to make in a 13 player game. Could be 4 if we're talking multiball, but then your case is even weaker because faust ony has one parter. Will adress your main point in a second.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:23:18 am
Do you sheep faust or have your own reasons? If later, what are they?

Your tunneling looks to me like posturing. Tunneling on someone who has very little chance to get lynched is a pretty nice way to spend your day 1 as scum, as you don't have to engage in the dirty business of a mislynch, or meaningful interactions with anyone.

Also, I suspet scum is glad of how this day is going so far, with no wagons forming, so I'd expect them to be in the pile of individual votes.

PPE : I don't know that, but it's a safe assumption to make in a 13 player game. Could be 4 if we're talking multiball, but then your case is even weaker because faust ony has one parter. Will adress your main point in a second.

But do you have anything to say about my case on the merits?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:23:44 am
I mean, my case on RR
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:24:00 am
Thanks, guys.

PPE: All I see is that for whatever reason, you aren't drawing attention.  Really at all.  The most I've seen from other people besides Iguana is "idk about faust, he might be scummy".  Combine that with how I'm reading you so far, and it really makes me wary. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:24:46 am
I'd say it is critical to realize who you've tried to wagon and that no one has bitten.  It's either because there's a consensus that that person is town, or because for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them.   Just as I'm doing with Faust, I'd encourage you to do with Hydrad if you think he might be scum.  Push the issue, make noise, really work it and if you don't get any results, ask yourself why that is.

It's not either or. It means people don't particularly think faust is scum. You're free to argue that he is and try to convince us, that's be great actually, but all you're doing here is delving into conspiracy theories. If you're convinced faust is scum, fine, try and convince us. But seeing people ignoring your case is not evidence that it's a good case.

You mention the pssibility of "for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them". What exactly would that reason be ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 09:26:46 am
Thanks, guys.

PPE: All I see is that for whatever reason, you aren't drawing attention.  Really at all.  The most I've seen from other people besides Iguana is "idk about faust, he might be scummy".  Combine that with how I'm reading you so far, and it really makes me wary.

Well, I can't remember the last time I had a serious D1 wagon. People just seem to not do that (this is independent of my alignment btw). So I don't really see why it would be scummy here if it's the same as always.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:27:04 am
I mean, my case on RR

It's based on meta, correct ? I'm not familiar on RR's meta, so I don't disagree on those grounds, I just find him to fit the bill of (relative) newbie!town, as I explained earlier. Specifically he had a big post in the middle of the week-end when nothing was happening that I don't think (relative) newbie!scum would make.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:27:29 am
Another thing to take into account is that we have a very dangerous threat from Yuma: auto lynch anyone at L-1 when he's on. 

This is essentially the equivalent of a scum quick-hammer, except I believe Yuma to be town, which makes it even worse.  If we can't come up with anyone solid to lynch, I would be okay removing him from the game in his current state, since it is of negative town usefullness.  It's not a very good lynch since most of us seem to believe him town and we wouldn't get a ton of info from it, but I have seen scum do this turtling thing before, pretending to be hurt and really just hiding.  It is a possibility to consider if we cannot agree on another solid target.

Vote: Ampharos

even though I probably am already.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:30:04 am
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yuma, this is day 1. If you really don't want to play this game, ask to be replaced out. Not this though.

To be clear, the ideal solution would be to, you know, play. But this nonsense is not cool.

Just put someone at L-1, and Yuma will come back.  Problem solved.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:30:27 am
I'd say it is critical to realize who you've tried to wagon and that no one has bitten.  It's either because there's a consensus that that person is town, or because for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them.   Just as I'm doing with Faust, I'd encourage you to do with Hydrad if you think he might be scum.  Push the issue, make noise, really work it and if you don't get any results, ask yourself why that is.

It's not either or. It means people don't particularly think faust is scum. You're free to argue that he is and try to convince us, that's be great actually, but all you're doing here is delving into conspiracy theories. If you're convinced faust is scum, fine, try and convince us. But seeing people ignoring your case is not evidence that it's a good case.

You mention the pssibility of "for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them". What exactly would that reason be ?

All I'm saying is that people not wanting to discuss anyone at all makes me see them as more scummy than they previously were.  I keep bringing faust up, and no one engages in conversation about him with me other than faust repeatedly pointing out how my arguments are sooo bad or totally useless.

If I can't convince you to at least look at him (what my goal is), then I can't.  However, until he dies or the game ends and I see what he actually is, I'm going to need some really good evidence to change my vote. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:31:06 am
I mean, my case on RR

It's based on meta, correct ? I'm not familiar on RR's meta, so I don't disagree on those grounds, I just find him to fit the bill of (relative) newbie!town, as I explained earlier. Specifically he had a big post in the middle of the week-end when nothing was happening that I don't think (relative) newbie!scum would make.

My case has more argument since then. See how his first reaction on my case was putting me as top town read (scum tell), then trying to find way to renege on that, and then finally finding it and voting on me. It screams newbie scum, no?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:31:56 am
Also someone said (was it WW?) that 3rd game with someone is the moment you understand their meta most. Well, it's my 3rd game with RR
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:32:54 am
I mean, my case on RR

It's based on meta, correct ? I'm not familiar on RR's meta, so I don't disagree on those grounds, I just find him to fit the bill of (relative) newbie!town, as I explained earlier. Specifically he had a big post in the middle of the week-end when nothing was happening that I don't think (relative) newbie!scum would make.

My case has more argument since then. See how his first reaction on my case was putting me as top town read (scum tell), then trying to find way to renege on that, and then finally finding it and voting on me. It screams newbie scum, no?

Interesting (I know). I'll take a look at that.

PPE : That was me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:33:07 am
I'd say it is critical to realize who you've tried to wagon and that no one has bitten.  It's either because there's a consensus that that person is town, or because for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them.   Just as I'm doing with Faust, I'd encourage you to do with Hydrad if you think he might be scum.  Push the issue, make noise, really work it and if you don't get any results, ask yourself why that is.

It's not either or. It means people don't particularly think faust is scum. You're free to argue that he is and try to convince us, that's be great actually, but all you're doing here is delving into conspiracy theories. If you're convinced faust is scum, fine, try and convince us. But seeing people ignoring your case is not evidence that it's a good case.

You mention the pssibility of "for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them". What exactly would that reason be ?

All I'm saying is that people not wanting to discuss anyone at all makes me see them as more scummy than they previously were.  I keep bringing faust up, and no one engages in conversation about him with me other than faust repeatedly pointing out how my arguments are sooo bad or totally useless.

If I can't convince you to at least look at him (what my goal is), then I can't.  However, until he dies or the game ends and I see what he actually is, I'm going to need some really good evidence to change my vote.

If someone keeps bringing up a case against your scum partner, wouldn't you feel obligated to say something about it?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:33:47 am
Also someone said (was it WW?) that 3rd game with someone is the moment you understand their meta most. Well, it's my 3rd game with RR

I was, actually, criticizing such a thing regarding Ampharos prescribing a town read to Awaclus.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:34:57 am
I'd say it is critical to realize who you've tried to wagon and that no one has bitten.  It's either because there's a consensus that that person is town, or because for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them.   Just as I'm doing with Faust, I'd encourage you to do with Hydrad if you think he might be scum.  Push the issue, make noise, really work it and if you don't get any results, ask yourself why that is.

It's not either or. It means people don't particularly think faust is scum. You're free to argue that he is and try to convince us, that's be great actually, but all you're doing here is delving into conspiracy theories. If you're convinced faust is scum, fine, try and convince us. But seeing people ignoring your case is not evidence that it's a good case.

You mention the pssibility of "for whatever reason, people do not want to lynch or vote or discuss them". What exactly would that reason be ?

All I'm saying is that people not wanting to discuss anyone at all makes me see them as more scummy than they previously were.  I keep bringing faust up, and no one engages in conversation about him with me other than faust repeatedly pointing out how my arguments are sooo bad or totally useless.

If I can't convince you to at least look at him (what my goal is), then I can't.  However, until he dies or the game ends and I see what he actually is, I'm going to need some really good evidence to change my vote.

If someone keeps bringing up a case against your scum partner, wouldn't you feel obligated to say something about it?

Not if no one is entertaining the idea.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:36:06 am
Ampharos, what is your case on faust ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:37:48 am
Actually I want something from Yuma here.

Since you were one of the RR tunnelers in HPII where he was scum, what do you think of him here?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:40:20 am
Actually I want something from Yuma here.

Since you were one of the RR tunnelers in HPII where he was scum, what do you think of him here?

Yuma already said that he thinks he is different here (or at least I infered that from his words, that game had not been finished at the time)

To me it is that more damning. In HP RR tried to emulate his town meta from 2 games he played before. That did not work out and he was lynched D2. It is logical to think "Ok, that does not work for scum!me. Let's change things a bit"
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:40:52 am
Ampharos, what is your case on faust ?

I am of the opinion he has not been of much help to town this game, and is instead playing peanut gallery (distractor/look useful).  He and I had a brief conversation about this (obviously he disagrees with me), but no one else is talking this over with me.  The most I'm getting is "well, people must not agree with you".  What I want to know is why people don't agree with me, other than the unspoken "fact" that they don't.  The more I don't receive any conversation about this, the more I suspect him.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:41:55 am
Actually I want something from Yuma here.

Since you were one of the RR tunnelers in HPII where he was scum, what do you think of him here?

Yuma already said that he thinks he is different here (or at least I infered that from his words, that game had not been finished at the time)

To me it is that more damning. In HP RR tried to emulate his town meta from 2 games he played before. That did not work out and he was lynched D2. It is logical to think "Ok, that does not work for scum!me. Let's change things a bit"

His town meta is being weird, so I don't see how he's so outside of it here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:42:41 am
Forget meta for a time. What do you think about his reaction on my case?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 02, 2015, 09:46:38 am
post

So you were serious? In that case,

No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.

Applies to claimed survivors, SKs and town. Vote: yuma.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:47:48 am
post

So you were serious? In that case,

No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.

Applies to claimed survivors, SKs and town. Vote: yuma.

I will support a yuma lynch if he continues on this path, but in the meantime, who do you think is scum ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:48:13 am
Lame.

Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:49:08 am
Forget meta for a time. What do you think about his reaction on my case?

Nothing strikes me as scummy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 09:51:05 am
Actually I want something from Yuma here.

Since you were one of the RR tunnelers in HPII where he was scum, what do you think of him here?

Yuma already said that he thinks he is different here (or at least I infered that from his words, that game had not been finished at the time)

To me it is that more damning. In HP RR tried to emulate his town meta from 2 games he played before. That did not work out and he was lynched D2. It is logical to think "Ok, that does not work for scum!me. Let's change things a bit"

Blah!!! That case is so vague it makes my ears hurt!

Please! People! Use evidence!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:51:33 am
Ampharos, what is your case on faust ?

I am of the opinion he has not been of much help to town this game, and is instead playing peanut gallery (distractor/look useful).  He and I had a brief conversation about this (obviously he disagrees with me), but no one else is talking this over with me.  The most I'm getting is "well, people must not agree with you".  What I want to know is why people don't agree with me, other than the unspoken "fact" that they don't.  The more I don't receive any conversation about this, the more I suspect him.

Ok. As I think I've established, I don't think not receiving conversation should make you more suspicious of him, but fine.

As for your main point. I see you describing faust's play this game pretty accurately, but I fail to see what's scummy about it. I guess I disagree that faust has not been much help to town this game. Short posts are just fine if they advance the game, and faust has been making relevant comments and votes. I'm not sure what more do you want.

If there's a meta part to your argument, ie "faust is usually a town leader but here's he's on the sidelines", well it's more that the "town leader" playstyle gets tiring to keep up after a while, and in fact scum!faust would feel more obligated to emulate his town meta.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 02, 2015, 09:53:51 am
Actually I want something from Yuma here.

Since you were one of the RR tunnelers in HPII where he was scum, what do you think of him here?

Yuma already said that he thinks he is different here (or at least I infered that from his words, that game had not been finished at the time)

To me it is that more damning. In HP RR tried to emulate his town meta from 2 games he played before. That did not work out and he was lynched D2. It is logical to think "Ok, that does not work for scum!me. Let's change things a bit"

Blah!!! That case is so vague it makes my ears hurt!

Please! People! Use evidence!

My case has more argument since then. See how his first reaction on my case was putting me as top town read (scum tell), then trying to find way to renege on that, and then finally finding it and voting on me. It screams newbie scum, no?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 09:54:45 am
Ampharos, what is your case on faust ?

I am of the opinion he has not been of much help to town this game, and is instead playing peanut gallery (distractor/look useful).  He and I had a brief conversation about this (obviously he disagrees with me), but no one else is talking this over with me.  The most I'm getting is "well, people must not agree with you".  What I want to know is why people don't agree with me, other than the unspoken "fact" that they don't.  The more I don't receive any conversation about this, the more I suspect him.

Ok. As I think I've established, I don't think not receiving conversation should make you more suspicious of him, but fine.

As for your main point. I see you describing faust's play this game pretty accurately, but I fail to see what's scummy about it. I guess I disagree that faust has not been much help to town this game. Short posts are just fine if they advance the game, and faust has been making relevant comments and votes. I'm not sure what more do you want.

If there's a meta part to your argument, ie "faust is usually a town leader but here's he's on the sidelines", well it's more that the "town leader" playstyle gets tiring to keep up after a while, and in fact scum!faust would feel more obligated to emulate his town meta.

Thank you, this is the type of stuff I was looking for.   :)  It really helps me think through my own thoughts on faust and shows me that others are doing the same. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 09:55:39 am
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.
But that's not a good policy. A survivor who plays for the town wincon is way better for town than a survivor who plays for the survivor wincon.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 09:59:52 am
So, being labeled as "Unusually active" and "Crazy lurking" within several posts is funny

Anyway, let's look at RR some more. I played 2 games with him, and I am not sure, but they are probably only his games on this site. Both times he was town, both times he played drastically different from this game. It may be that he just decided to mix it up, but it may be that because he is scum he feels more responsible and, hence, his essay and other stuff. Much less votes/unvotes (actually, only Awa), much less talking about how we should kill somebody/should not.

Vote: RR

Egor has got to be joking.

I look town to most people, that's good.
If Amaphoros (I dropped the nickname) is scum, I think his partner is Teproc.

What else? Oh yes, a list of who seems towny to me:
EgorK
Iguana(?)
Faust
Hydrad
2.7(?)
I guess that's it. Everyone else is pretty null.

I think he means Pre-SATs (scholastic aptitude tests?). The SAT is a common test that high schoolers take for a big part of their college resume. The PSAT is usually taken by high school freshman to give them an idea of how well they will do when they are older.

Roadrunner's probably gunna get like a 2200.
As flattered as I am, they were really tough. I know I missed at least three problems.

But I'm home now, so back to Mafia!
If EgorK was scum, he wouldn't vote for me. He'd rather fly under the radar and not get noticed so much.

Vote: EgorK
It seems like he's using reverse reverse psychology. He doesn't seem sincere anymore.

Maybe I'll post a useless essay on him. After all, I need to get my post count up after all my lurking.

So this is the evolution EgorK's talking about. I'll take a look at HP to see what scum!RR looks like, but this seems like a pretty natural progression of events to me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 10:03:11 am
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.
But that's not a good policy. A survivor who plays for the town wincon is way better for town than a survivor who plays for the survivor wincon.

You're just bitter you got Survivorlynched in that bastard game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 02, 2015, 10:05:41 am
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.
But that's not a good policy. A survivor who plays for the town wincon is way better for town than a survivor who plays for the survivor wincon.

A survivor who doesn't play for the survivor win con is probably not a survivor.

post

So you were serious? In that case,

No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.

Applies to claimed survivors, SKs and town. Vote: yuma.

I will support a yuma lynch if he continues on this path, but in the meantime, who do you think is scum ?

I think yuma is scum.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 10:08:29 am
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.
But that's not a good policy. A survivor who plays for the town wincon is way better for town than a survivor who plays for the survivor wincon.

You're just bitter you got Survivorlynched in that bastard game.

Sure I am. But I still don't think awaclus' policy makes sense. In what universe is it profitable to lynch a survivor who plays for the town wincon?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 02, 2015, 10:09:57 am
Sure I am. But I still don't think awaclus' policy makes sense. In what universe is it profitable to lynch a survivor who plays for the town wincon?

A survivor who doesn't play for the survivor win con is probably not a survivor.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 10:10:33 am
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed.
But that's not a good policy. A survivor who plays for the town wincon is way better for town than a survivor who plays for the survivor wincon.

You're just bitter you got Survivorlynched in that bastard game.

Sure I am. But I still don't think awaclus' policy makes sense. In what universe is it profitable to lynch a survivor who plays for the town wincon?

I'm guessing the idea is that no one should ever be playing against their wincon, so if they appear to be they must be lying. This goes in line with Awaclus saying yuma is scum here.

But then, I'm trying to explain Awaclus' thinking, I should probably expect to be struck by lightning pretty soon.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 10:10:42 am
HEy, I got it right ! Do I get a cookie ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 10:21:42 am
Just read RR in Harry Potter... man I'm glad I wasn't in that game. That was a waste of time : RR was very different than he is here but the circumstances were completely different, he was under constant pressure and proceeded to do constant AtE and never talk about anything other than himself.

So he's different here because the circumstances are different, that  doesn't really tell me much about his alignment.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 10:37:52 am
Just read RR in Harry Potter... man I'm glad I wasn't in that game. That was a waste of time : RR was very different than he is here but the circumstances were completely different, he was under constant pressure and proceeded to do constant AtE and never talk about anything other than himself.

So he's different here because the circumstances are different, that  doesn't really tell me much about his alignment.

I've read RR in Harry Potter. Your last sentence here summarizes my feelings on him.

I can see someone thinking RR is mildly scummy, but for someone to be so convinced that RR is definitely scum is hard for me to believe. That's partly why Egor has been giving me scum vibes.

Thank you for collecting his case, though. That helps.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 11:58:10 am
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

I am interested how the yuma situation develops, but I don't see what he is doing as a scum tell
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:09:56 pm
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

I am interested how the yuma situation develops, but I don't see what he is doing as a scum tell

My primary concern is not so much that yuma is scum (I don't think he is) but that he claimed appropriately and will use his random kill at night, likely hitting town. 

If he didn't have that ability, I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 12:12:55 pm
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

I am interested how the yuma situation develops, but I don't see what he is doing as a scum tell

My primary concern is not so much that yuma is scum (I don't think he is) but that he claimed appropriately and will use his random kill at night, likely hitting town. 

If he didn't have that ability, I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.

So you are saying we should kill Yuma because he got a bad role, which he has told everyone that he is not going to use, before he ever gets a chance to not use it?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:14:20 pm
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

I am interested how the yuma situation develops, but I don't see what he is doing as a scum tell

My primary concern is not so much that yuma is scum (I don't think he is) but that he claimed appropriately and will use his random kill at night, likely hitting town. 

If he didn't have that ability, I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.

So you are saying we should kill Yuma because he got a bad role, which he has told everyone that he is not going to use, before he ever gets a chance to not use it?

I'm saying we need to decide if this is a big enough threat to town to deal with now, or if we want to let it sit and see what happens.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 12:15:35 pm
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

I am interested how the yuma situation develops, but I don't see what he is doing as a scum tell

My primary concern is not so much that yuma is scum (I don't think he is) but that he claimed appropriately and will use his random kill at night, likely hitting town. 

If he didn't have that ability, I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.

So you are saying we should kill Yuma because he got a bad role, which he has told everyone that he is not going to use, before he ever gets a chance to not use it?

I'm saying we need to decide if this is a big enough threat to town to deal with now, or if we want to let it sit and see what happens.

Why are you even talking about lynching someone that you think is probably town? Isn't this a big enough mess already?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:19:58 pm
Additionally, if he's actually pissed off and is not just making a gambit, he could go back on his previous "I'm not going to use this" statement, as a "screw you" to us all.  That's what I'm worried about.

3 possibilities:

1) Yuma is town, told the truth about his role, is mad, and will not use the power at night.  Moderate probability; neutral for town.
2) Yuma is town, told the truth about his role, is mad, and will use the power at night.  Moderate probability; bad for town.
3) Yuma is town, lied about his role, is mad, and has no power to use at night.  Low probability (doesn't make sense); neutral for town.
4) Yuma is scum and is attempting a gambit.  Low probability (very dangerous to pull off, especially day 1); bad for town.

Now, even though there's not a whole lot town gets from keeping him alive given these 4 scenarios, we don't really gain much on killing him.  If we lynch him, and he's town, what did we learn?  Mostly that some people pissed him off and may or may not be scum.  We also learn a little bit about everyone based on how they treat this situation.

So basically, we have to decide if he's a big enough threat, given possibilities 2 and 4, or if we go for someone we think is more scummy/will give us more info.

PPE
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:20:33 pm
3 = 4, yay! 

Maths.  >:(
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 12:23:00 pm
Yeah, I say we just lynch yuma tomorrow if he uses his power without telling us.

I am fairly confident he won't though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 12:24:13 pm
I say we don't declare "We'll lynch X if Y happens", when Y has a potential not to be related to X.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 12:26:03 pm
I say we don't declare "We'll lynch X if Y happens", when Y has a potential not to be related to X.

Yeah, I didn't mean if two deaths happen at night we auto lynch yuma. There could still be a SK or something to make additional deaths
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 02, 2015, 12:26:12 pm
vote: Awaclus

I think his position on yuma is taking advantage of the situation we have with yuma.

My position is the position I have had every time someone claims a win con and proceeds to intentionally play against it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:26:19 pm
Yeah, I say we just lynch yuma tomorrow if he uses his power without telling us.

I am fairly confident he won't though.

Thinking this through, that could mean the first 5 deaths are town, though.

Say we mislynch today: 1
Scum kill: 2
Yuma kill (random, hits town): 3
Tomorrow, kill Yuma (town?): 4
Scum kill: 5

The benefit of killing him now is that we avoid kills 3 and 4 on there. 

That said, I would probably be up for gambling and letting him go tonight.  If he doesn't use his kill, then we don't have to worry about that 5 kill thing I just hashed out.  If he does... we're in trouble.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 12:27:40 pm
I don't think that Yuma (as town) is going to do something that he explicitly stated he wasn't going to do. His posts are all very intentional, even his semi-abdicating the game. He promises us to post in here once per 24 hours, and to hammer anyone at L-1. He didn't say anything about using his night power, so we defer to his last statement on that issue (that he isn't going to use his night power without telling us first).

OTOH if Yuma is scum and uses random vig, it should be pretty easy to figure it out tomorrow.

I would rather lynch someone who is likely to be scum than put us a day behind for no reason.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 12:28:23 pm
@AMpharos : ou're underestimating the cost of a wasted day 1 and overestimating the likeliness of town!yuma shooting.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 12:28:54 pm
I don't think that Yuma (as town) is going to do something that he explicitly stated he wasn't going to do. His posts are all very intentional, even his semi-abdicating the game. He promises us to post in here once per 24 hours, and to hammer anyone at L-1. He didn't say anything about using his night power, so we defer to his last statement on that issue (that he isn't going to use his night power without telling us first).

OTOH if Yuma is scum and uses random vig, it should be pretty easy to figure it out tomorrow.

I would rather lynch someone who is likely to be scum than put us a day behind for no reason.

I keep liking what iguana posts.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:30:10 pm
@AMpharos : ou're underestimating the cost of a wasted day 1 and overestimating the likeliness of town!yuma shooting.


that could mean


could
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 12:31:22 pm
I just want Egor to stop.
He could contribute so much more if he did something pro-town.

Drop the RR case.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 12:32:01 pm
Sure, but the fact taht you're talking about it so much indicatesyou're taking the issue of "should we lynch yuma just to be on the safe side" seriously. You shouldn't be, that's a terrible idea.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 12:32:22 pm
The above was adressed to Ampharos, obviously.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 02, 2015, 12:32:38 pm
I just want Egor to stop.
He could contribute so much more if he did something pro-town.

Drop the RR case.

I'd like for RR to drop the "drop the RR case" case and do something pro-town  :o
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 12:34:09 pm
I just want Egor to stop.
He could contribute so much more if he did something pro-town.

Drop the RR case.

I'd like for RR to drop the "drop the RR case" case and do something pro-town  :o
Hmmm, interesting.
 ::)
I'd like Iguanaiguana to drop the 'drop the drop the RR case' and do something pro town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:34:59 pm
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, Teproc.  I find the possibility of Yuma using his claimed random night kill, combined with his stated quickhammer, combined with the possibility that he could be pulling a scum gambit, combined with the anti-town afk move, to be enough to warrant a lynch. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 12:35:35 pm
Assuming we don't come up with anyone better, that is.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 12:36:06 pm
I'm inclined to agree with Amaphoros but I don't want to lynch Yuma Day One.

I do want him to play, though.
PPE
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 02, 2015, 05:43:19 pm
I'm checking in.  Once again I've missed loads.  I'm sorry, I suck.  I promise I will start contributing in a betterer way ASAP; now that JK++ is over I have more time.

There have been a few questions aimed at me about why I think SS is different to how he was in JK++.  I will answer these and also catch up as soon as I can.

I suck, I'm sorry. :(
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 06:03:37 pm
There is stiff competition on the scummiest scumster award.

Vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 06:09:02 pm
There is stiff competition on the scummiest scumster award.

Weird, I feel the exact opposite.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 06:20:53 pm
I just want Egor to stop.
He could contribute so much more if he did something pro-town.

Drop the RR case.

guys. how much more obv!town than this can you get?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 06:21:50 pm
I like both the Amph and the Egork wagons, although I like the Egork wagon less

vote: Amph
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 06:33:32 pm
The scum on this wagon is real.  I may not be on for another 12 hours or so, but if I die before getting to post again, just please.  Look at faust.

Or don't, you haven't really been taking me seriously all day.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 06:35:30 pm
If my personal vote count is correct, the "wagon" is two people, FWIW.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 06:36:50 pm
Pretty sure I'm at least at 4.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 02, 2015, 06:37:49 pm
I don't really know any more.  Everyone and their mom has been on and off this about 6 times.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 02, 2015, 06:43:07 pm
Its just silver and faust. WW and 2.7 moved off, both to Awaclus.

Looking at the whole game, those and iguana have voted for you.

So, when you say scum is on your wagon, who do you find scummy among those 4 ? faust obviously, who else ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 06:46:56 pm
fwiw I don't get the most town vibes from faust here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 02, 2015, 06:47:35 pm
but I don't buy the case. I think faust just doesn't want to be in leading position every game. I don't necessarily understand why, but this seems to be the natural consequence. I don't give him scum points for it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 02, 2015, 07:35:31 pm
There is stiff competition on the scummiest scumster award.

Weird, I feel the exact opposite.

Well, uh, that wasn't completely serious. I just happen to think now that Egor is a bit townier and thus I reverted back to Ampharos and tried to be funny. It doesn't always work out.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2015, 09:29:03 pm
fwiw I don't get the most town vibes from faust here.

I don't either, but I don't get strong scum vibes.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 10:49:27 pm
Uh oh. RR is lurking...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 10:51:27 pm
I need to get back home and use my computer to go back and take a proper look at faust, but I could possibly go for a faust experiment.

I still like both ampharos and awaclus over him right now though. I will look later at faust
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 10:56:37 pm
Vote Count 1.8:

iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (1): Haddock
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): 2.7, WW, ss
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, faust, RR
RR (1): EgorK
Hydrad (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.

This is bad. All those people who are the only person voting for someone, I would really love to hear why.

We need more wagons. I love your individual opinions, but we have to do something. Put a bite on your second best or something.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 10:58:23 pm
I love your individual opinions, but we have to do something. Put a bite* on your second best or something.

*vote
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 02, 2015, 11:05:53 pm
But I mean, ampharos. Really. His fascination with people voting for him is interestingTM.

Like, he has never had a real serious wagon on him, yet he thinks he does. I mean, not knowing how many people are voting you....townie? Scummy? I mean, I would expect an experienced player to have better situational awareness. Maybe it is just different on other forums. That or people lynch super fast and you can't start defending too soon
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 02, 2015, 11:11:14 pm
But I mean, ampharos. Really. His fascination with people voting for him is interestingTM.

Like, he has never had a real serious wagon on him, yet he thinks he does. I mean, not knowing how many people are voting you....townie? Scummy? I mean, I would expect an experienced player to have better situational awareness. Maybe it is just different on other forums. That or people lynch super fast and you can't start defending too soon
He's doing exactly what I do.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 03, 2015, 03:41:20 am
Vote: amp
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 04:08:00 am
All right, I tried to covince you all, but failed to do so. I still believe RR is scumiest here, but I'll investigate others here. What exact case on Amph is here?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 03, 2015, 04:57:08 am
Vote Count 1.9:

silverspawn (1): Haddock
Ampharos (3): ss, faust, Hydrad
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, RR, Teproc
RR (1): EgorK
yuma (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): WW, 2.7

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 03, 2015, 05:41:10 am
Does WW usually throw his vote around this much? Wait I'm confusing faust's avatar with WW's.  Fail.  Forget that.


This is bad. All those people who are the only person voting for someone, I would really love to hear why.
Because I'm slow, that's it.  I'm going to be changing my vote this post now that I'm mostly caught up.


I still find SS a bit scummy here, but maybe less so now.  I think the main reason he felt different to me is because in JK++ he didn't push anyone hard at all unless he had really good reason.  Here he has been pushing people (particularly igu, and in fact carried on pushing him subtly even after having claimed to have dropped it) with barely any good reason at all.  But really this could just be a D1 thing, there wasn't really a D1 in JK so in later days there was always more to go on and better reasons to push people.

Awa is still more towny than not, to my mind.  Faust is completely null. I'm starting to get the same scumfeels as some people on Ampharos, but he's not my favourite.
I could vote: Hydrad - he's always lurky but usually his contributions are helpful and the ones I've seen haven't been this game.  But I'd be alone in that, and anyway I think I actually prefer vote: Egor here after all.  Stuff:

Also someone said (was it WW?) that 3rd game with someone is the moment you understand their meta most. Well, it's my 3rd game with RR
Mine too.  And I'm getting towniness off him.  I think that this:
Yuma already said that he thinks he is different here (or at least I infered that from his words, that game had not been finished at the time)

To me it is that more damning. In HP RR tried to emulate his town meta from 2 games he played before. That did not work out and he was lynched D2. It is logical to think "Ok, that does not work for scum!me. Let's change things a bit"
is the weakest thing ever.  This argument only works at all if you assume a priori that RR is scum.  Otherwise he could just be town, being towny old him again.

While I don't see scum pushing for a mislynch this blatantly, I am reminded of something someone said to me in a Mafia QT for Switch:  Push your partners a bit, but for rubbish reasons.  Then you're not really at risk of getting your partner lynched but you look good in retrospect if one of you gets lynched.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 03, 2015, 05:41:50 am
My Egor vote is there but maybe easy to miss. For ash's sake: vote: Egor
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 03, 2015, 05:43:38 am
To be clear.  Obviously that reason makes no sense if I think RR is town. 
I do think RR is a little bit towny, but I'm not at all sold.  And Egor is scummy independently of the above stuff - that was just a thought I had.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 06:02:57 am
with barely any good reason at all.

if by 'barely any good reason' you mean the best case that has been made this game
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 06:03:51 am
I could see myself lynching haddock. I got  lots and lots of town vibes in JK and get none here at all.

any thoughts?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 06:22:57 am
So, now I am scum because I am lurky, because I am too active, because I am pushing obv!town RR and because I am busing him. Nice!

I want to read e though. He is correct that a lot of single votes bad for town. Well, actually they are not bad by themselves, but by lack of pushing cases behind them. On the other hand people may be swayed to vote either me or Amph here or otherwise be antitown. And I am town while Amph seems null at worst. Need to read what else e did this game. I would even vote: e because RR case isn't happening now
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 07:35:53 am
But I mean, ampharos. Really. His fascination with people voting for him is interestingTM.

Like, he has never had a real serious wagon on him, yet he thinks he does. I mean, not knowing how many people are voting you....townie? Scummy? I mean, I would expect an experienced player to have better situational awareness. Maybe it is just different on other forums. That or people lynch super fast and you can't start defending too soon

True, you're right.  I failed to be aware of how many people had switched their vote off me, and assumed that since the two that revoted me said they liked this "wagon", I assumed I was within a few of lynch.  Additionally, you're correct in different forums playing differently; the two I played on earlier had days that were typically 2-3 days long total, and votes flew pretty quickly. 

But, that said, I like the response to my post.  People are actually starting to at least look at faust, and though they aren't necessarily seeing him as scummy, they're at least looking at him.  Maybe a little strong reaction from time to time isn't all bad. 

Mainly, I just wanted to reiterate that people should at least look at him if I didn't get the chance to say more today (i.e. lynched overnight).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 07:40:10 am
I no longer am super duper happy with the Egor lynch. Who would I be okay to lynch, you might ask? Here it is, from scummiest to towniest.
Amaphoros
Iguanaiguana?
Egor
Yuma
Hydrad
Roadrunner
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 07:40:43 am
Its just silver and faust. WW and 2.7 moved off, both to Awaclus.

Looking at the whole game, those and iguana have voted for you.

So, when you say scum is on your wagon, who do you find scummy among those 4 ? faust obviously, who else ?

There's the potential for WW to be scum this game.  I'm not going to come down hard either way on that one, since I don't have a strong read on him.

Silver reads very town to me, with a slight chance of scum.  I'm not worried about his vote in any case since he changes it all the time.

2.7 seems to be town.  He reads like a townie who just joined the game late. 

I believe I made this statement in order for people to look at faust, and then also to predict that other scum might jump on the wagon in it's mid to late stages. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 07:47:54 am
One other general point:

I understand why many of you see me as scummy.  I really do.  This is not a new experience; I've gone through this at each site I've been to, especially in my early games, because my playstyle tends to come off scummy.  Just know that you're misinterpreting playstyle for scum play. 

(It usually takes at least one game of getting mislynched early to get this point to sink in.  However, I'm trying to do my best to prevent a mislynch here.)


Other random point:

I'm having a really hard time reading Egor.  He's playing differently from last game, but last game was an RMM where everyone plays a bit differently anyways.  I feel like he's more vocal in general though, and that tends to lean slightly scummy, though could be me doing the exact same thing to him that I'm encouraging you all not to do to me. :P
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 03, 2015, 07:48:50 am
I could see myself lynching haddock. I got  lots and lots of town vibes in JK and get none here at all.

any thoughts?

It seems like you consistently, throughout the entire game, can 'see yourself lynching' anyone who openly disagrees with you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 03, 2015, 07:49:07 am
I no longer am super duper happy with the Egor lynch. Who would I be okay to lynch, you might ask? Here it is, from scummiest to towniest.
Amaphoros
Iguanaiguana?
Egor
Yuma
Hydrad
Roadrunner

How can yuma not be the scummiest? It's flagrant that he's not town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 08:07:57 am
I could see myself lynching haddock. I got  lots and lots of town vibes in JK and get none here at all.

any thoughts?

It seems like you consistently, throughout the entire game, can 'see yourself lynching' anyone who openly disagrees with you.

I can see myself lynching a lot of people period. I didn't even know haddock was disagreeing with me on anything.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 03, 2015, 08:13:37 am
with barely any good reason at all.

if by 'barely any good reason' you mean the best case that has been made this game

My comment above was based on you making this one. I admit I may be have completely misread your motives.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 08:34:43 am
with barely any good reason at all.

if by 'barely any good reason' you mean the best case that has been made this game

My comment above was based on you making this one. I admit I may be have completely misread your motives.

oh, that's right. I did disagree with him.

It's coincidence, though:
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 03, 2015, 08:49:01 am
Vote Count 1.8:

iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (1): Haddock
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): 2.7, WW, ss
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, faust, RR
RR (1): EgorK
Hydrad (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.

This is bad. All those people who are the only person voting for someone, I would really love to hear why.

We need more wagons. I love your individual opinions, but we have to do something. Put a bite on your second best or something.

So I agree with this. The main reason I haven't moved is because I don't like the case on Ampharos very much. Early on I said he was a loose cannon, but I don't think his loose cannon statements are indicative of alignment. I think they are just indicative of Ampharos being Ampharos. And the statements he's made that do not look like loose cannon statements look town to me. Obviously its hard to tell, because we only have one flip for Ampharos as town. In that game (RMM28) he was a lot lurkier than here, but the kind of things he said were similar when he did talk.

So basically (in my mind) the case for scum!Ampharos is that he's intentionally making loose cannon statements in order to mask scumminess hidden beneath a surface appeal look of trying to help town. So if he's scum he's pretty good at it (which I think you've already said). It's possible... especially considering that he admits to having played before. But... eh... at this point I have a pretty bad feeling about it.


At this point the EgorK case is... also not great, but its at least better than the Ampharos case (in my view). We've never really had much of a wagon on Egor either, but several people have voted for him and then unvoted at various times. So I'm willing to believe that it could happen, and I Egor has at least decent chances of being scum.

The biggest problem right now is that when people unvote from a wagon they don't go to another wagon, they go to some random vote (like how Egor just changed from RR to e) and so even though people are changing their votes, we are still in constant disagreement.

It's a mess.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 09:07:06 am
Does WW usually throw his vote around this much? Wait I'm confusing faust's avatar with WW's.  Fail.  Forget that.

Because we look so similar.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 09:07:58 am
Its just silver and faust. WW and 2.7 moved off, both to Awaclus.

Looking at the whole game, those and iguana have voted for you.

So, when you say scum is on your wagon, who do you find scummy among those 4 ? faust obviously, who else ?

There's the potential for WW to be scum this game.

I'm glad you believe in me.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 09:09:59 am
Vote Count 1.8:

iguanaiguana (1): Hydrad
silverspawn (1): Haddock
Witherweaver (1): Awaclus
Ampharos (3): 2.7, WW, ss
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, faust, RR
RR (1): EgorK
Hydrad (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.

This isn't right.. I'm voting Awaclus; Awaclus (at least was) voting Yuma.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 09:10:25 am
Ampharos still looks pretty scummy with the latest posts.  He's better than Egor, I think.

Of course, we can always lynch Awaclus. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 03, 2015, 10:08:20 am
Vote Count 1.9:

silverspawn (1): Haddock
Ampharos (3): ss, faust, Hydrad
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, RR, Teproc
RR (1): EgorK
yuma (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): WW, 2.7

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 10:12:16 am
post post
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 03, 2015, 10:12:53 am
Vote Count 1.9:

silverspawn (1): Haddock
Ampharos (3): ss, faust, Hydrad
faust (1): Ampharos
EgorK (3): iguana, RR, Teproc
RR (1): EgorK
yuma (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): WW, 2.7

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.

Haddock switched to Egor I believe. Didn't realize there were 4 on him (didn't realize RR didn't actually switch off)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 03, 2015, 10:14:34 am
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


I think yuma has been violating this rule. Will there be any consequences?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:16:10 am
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


I think yuma has been violating this rule. Will there be any consequences?

Seconded.  Interested to see what the ruling will be, if any.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:19:51 am
vote: yuma

Not a policy vote.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 03, 2015, 10:25:49 am
It's tempting...

Up until now, I thought this could be yuma trying to generate reactions by not posting... which, while not my playstyle, might be useful. But the fact that he continues this after lots of reacting has happened makes me think that this is not the case.

So he might be genuinely frustrated. I have reason to believe this might not be the case.

That would leave only scum, yes? I have restated my question to ash via PM as no questions in the thread will be answered. So let's see where that goes first. But I am prepared to vote for yuma if nothing happens.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 03, 2015, 10:27:03 am
Okay, I won't get an answer.

Vote: yuma
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:27:37 am
It's tempting...

Up until now, I thought this could be yuma trying to generate reactions by not posting... which, while not my playstyle, might be useful. But the fact that he continues this after lots of reacting has happened makes me think that this is not the case.

So he might be genuinely frustrated. I have reason to believe this might not be the case.

That would leave only scum, yes? I have restated my question to ash via PM as no questions in the thread will be answered. So let's see where that goes first. But I am prepared to vote for yuma if nothing happens.

That's my thinking, yes. And I'm now excluding town!frustrated!yuma, because if he were that upset, he'd have been replaced.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 10:29:06 am
I don't really buy that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:30:22 am
I don't really buy that.

Which part ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 10:32:15 am
All of it?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:33:24 am
All of it?

Let me rephrase : what are your thoughts on yuma ?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 10:40:25 am
I don't see him doing that as Mafia (scum with teammates).  Maybe as some third party (Survivor or SK), but I don't have any reason to think he's scum.  I assume he'll come back eventually and don't see a benefit in the lynch.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 10:40:35 am
Also,

Vote: Ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 10:54:42 am
I don't really buy that.

I buy that you don't really buy that.

I'm not sure if I really but it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 10:55:15 am
I know what faust is talking about, I think, and it undoubtedly makes sense on some level.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 03, 2015, 10:55:30 am
I don't see him doing that as Mafia (scum with teammates).  Maybe as some third party (Survivor or SK), but I don't have any reason to think he's scum.  I assume he'll come back eventually and don't see a benefit in the lynch.

What narrative do you assume?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 10:58:50 am
He got annoyed.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 03, 2015, 11:01:33 am
with barely any good reason at all.

if by 'barely any good reason' you mean the best case that has been made this game
I don't care what your case is now, but at the start you were pushing a super weak scumslip case, and then continued to push subtly for no good reason.  Maybe the case is amazing now, though it doesn't seem that great to me.  Your behaviour early was scummy.  A couple of the things you said were in outright contradiction with the facts of the JK game, which we couldn't talk about at the time.  That means either you were trying to get a lynch through before JK was over or you were blatantly lying, to what?  To look scummy?  Guys, new conspiracy theory: SS is a mime.

I could see myself lynching haddock. I got  lots and lots of town vibes in JK and get none here at all.

any thoughts?
If I remember rightly you only found me towny after a made a semirant defending myself later on.  At the start you had me down as something like null-to-mild-scum.

Does WW usually throw his vote around this much? Wait I'm confusing faust's avatar with WW's.  Fail.  Forget that.

Because we look so similar.
I know know.  I was skimming.  Pale golden tones in a block?  About right.

The yuma thing is bleh.  I could lynch him I guess, but if it's genuine he could go from f.ds mafia forever.  Which would be sad.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:02:45 am
He got annoyed.

It was two days ago. That's not a valid excuse. Again, if he was that upset, he would have been replaced at this point.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 11:07:14 am
Vote: yuma

Am I allowed to talk about games that have not yet started? 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on December 03, 2015, 11:14:24 am
with barely any good reason at all.

if by 'barely any good reason' you mean the best case that has been made this game
I don't care what your case is now, but at the start you were pushing a super weak scumslip case, and then continued to push subtly for no good reason.

I'm pretty sure I always pushed him for the same reason, I just didn't explain it right away.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:16:06 am
He got annoyed.

It was two days ago. That's not a valid excuse. Again, if he was that upset, he would have been replaced at this point.

He basically \outed as scum before, so I'm not really sure the validity of this point.  Why would town!Yuma asked to get replaced by scum!Yuma not?  Or you mean, that he hasn't, indicates he's not being straightforward?  Why is that more likely scum than town?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:24:18 am
He got annoyed.

It was two days ago. That's not a valid excuse. Again, if he was that upset, he would have been replaced at this point.

He basically \outed as scum before, so I'm not really sure the validity of this point.  Why would town!Yuma asked to get replaced by scum!Yuma not?  Or you mean, that he hasn't, indicates he's not being straightforward?  Why is that more likely scum than town?

That is what I mean. As for your last question, it comes down to this : what yuma is doing right now is blatantly anti-town. I don't think town!yuma deliberately does that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:27:51 am
I don' t think scum!Yuma deliberately does that.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:30:53 am
I don' t think scum!Yuma deliberately does that.

Why not ? Policy lynches basically never happen and he has his claim protecting him. I'd expect his likeliness of being lynched for this as pretty low (unfortunately).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:31:18 am
That was weirdly formulated, but you got the point.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 03, 2015, 11:31:23 am
The yuma thing is bleh.  I could lynch him I guess, but if it's genuine he could go from f.ds mafia forever.  Which would be sad.

Well meh. This is some kind of emotional blackmail that I will not accept.

After my question to ashersky, he offered me to file a "complaint" about yuma by the way, which I did. Others could do the same if they feel his play is inconsiderate. That might help us resolve the situation without having to lynch yuma.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:34:01 am
I don't think yuma's play is against the rules in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:34:32 am
I don' t think scum!Yuma deliberately does that.

Why not ? Policy lynches basically never happen and he has his claim protecting him. I'd expect his likeliness of being lynched for this as pretty low (unfortunately).

Are you confident enough of this as scum to do something begging a policy lynch?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:35:49 am
I don' t think scum!Yuma deliberately does that.

Why not ? Policy lynches basically never happen and he has his claim protecting him. I'd expect his likeliness of being lynched for this as pretty low (unfortunately).

Are you confident enough of this as scum to do something begging a policy lynch?

I'm not, but I'm the guy who doesn't even like fakeclaiming as scum, so...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:35:52 am
The yuma thing is bleh.  I could lynch him I guess, but if it's genuine he could go from f.ds mafia forever.  Which would be sad.

Well meh. This is some kind of emotional blackmail that I will not accept.

After my question to ashersky, he offered me to file a "complaint" about yuma by the way, which I did. Others could do the same if they feel his play is inconsiderate. That might help us resolve the situation without having to lynch yuma.

I don't agree with this either.  I don't think it's at a point where we need to invoke rules or file complaints.  But if you do, make sure you use the new headers, like we do for the TPS reports.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 11:38:27 am
I have no problem with what yuma is doing. He is doing it at his own risk of getting lynched, but i don't think he has violated rules or anything.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 11:45:03 am
Back to vote: ampharos
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 11:58:00 am
Vote: Yuma
I don't know what a policy vote is, but I think this is one.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 12:13:48 pm
Scums sure like the yuma lynch. Although the faust vote seems like town who isn't appreciative of yuma's current approach to the game.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 12:18:01 pm
2.7 keeps reading more and more like scum the more I read him.   

This is probably OMGUS but might have some actual truth to it. 



Full disclosure:  This is a very long day, during much of which my wagon has been one of the primary ones.  I am getting mentally weary of defending myself against the same stuff, so I might not put up much of a fight if you decide to lynch me.  I've said my piece, I have no regrets.  At least you'll all learn how I play and be aware of it for next game.

That sounds really scummy but really I don't care at this point.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 02:16:38 pm
I am sorry I still had not looked into e as promised. I was and still am busy
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 02:17:51 pm
Also I believe that yuma is eligible to prod
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 02:24:31 pm
Also I believe that yuma is eligible to prod

He posted a few hours ago.

post post
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 02:45:44 pm
Also I believe that yuma is eligible to prod

He posted a few hours ago.

post post

Hm, missed that. Need to reread then as may had missed something else
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 02:48:02 pm
Also I believe that yuma is eligible to prod

He posted a few hours ago.

post post

Hm, missed that. Need to reread then as may had missed something else

Yeah, I can see why you missed it haha, not a whole lot there.

It did spark this whole round of debates and votes about yuma, though.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 03, 2015, 02:52:52 pm
Also I believe that yuma is eligible to prod

He posted a few hours ago.

post post

Hm, missed that. Need to reread then as may had missed something else

Yeah, I can see why you missed it haha, not a whole lot there.

It did spark this whole round of debates and votes about yuma, though.

I thought they just stemmed from the flow of discussion before that
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 06:03:19 pm
This day is really starting to slow down. Right now it seems like egork, ampharos, or yuma. Everyone has their own favorite lynch, but we need to get something done.

I prefer ampharos, then egork, then yuma. Probably won't vote yuma, but you never know
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:29:20 pm
Post Count 1.2.7

Player
1. Witherweaver
2. yuma
3. silverspawn
4. Teproc
5. iguanaiguana
6. Hydrad
7. Roadrunner7671
8. 2.7...
9. faust
10. Ampharos
11. EgorK
12. Awaclus
13. Haddock
in-game
87
70
151
111
70
44
76
27
63
60
56
20
28
Pregame (posted if people want to reference in the future for their post counts)
5
2
1
3
7
1
7
5
3
1
1
1
3

Very Active Posters (80+):
These players have been keeping this game moving.  Sometimes we may not like what they say, but who cares.  At least they say something.  Not lynching D1

silverspawn
Teproc
Witherweaver

Active Posters (50-80):
Staying involved, posting.  Doing good things.  Everyone in this group is in what I would call our current "most likely to be lynched" group.  Why?  Because they stuck their necks out and posted stuff that people found to be scummy.  But at least they are posting stuff.  Still, definitely lynchable.

Roadrunner
yuma
iguana
faust
Ampharos
EgorK

Could probably use more posts:
Hydrad has his little bursts of posts, which are cool.  Haddock posts stuff occassionally.  e just skipped the first like 5 IRL days of the game.  Awaclus exists.  It has been proven that lurking =/= scum, but lurking does work toward hiding in the shadows.  Definitely would lynch anyone here (except for 2.7.  He is basically an IC), but especially Awaclus.  I think he is scummy.

Hydrad
Haddok
2.7
Awaclus
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 08:34:40 pm
I know I haven't posted as much as usual, but now I'm definitely lynchable?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 08:35:24 pm
And you are man-crushing on Iguanaiguana, but you forget him?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:40:07 pm
Which makes my PoE (inspired by Voltaire, as always) look like this:

Witherweaver - see previous post
yuma - I have previously mentioned why I don't want to lynch yuma
silverspawn - see previous post
Teproc - see previous post
2.7... - town
iguanaiguana - I have gotten strong town vibes from iguana.  Plus, I had a great time hanging out with him in the HPII speccy after we were both so unjustly lynched/killed.  Not lynching today
Hydrad - His style is bubbly and fun, plus posting in bunches is usual for him.  null for now, don't really want to lynch.

Roadrunner7671 - Playing nice today, but not nice enough for my to cross off
faust - Why is he down here?  I don't even know.  I need to do a faust reread.  For now, lynchable.
Ampharos - yeah, we can lynch this guy
EgorK - Don't feel amazing about lynching EgorK, but I don't mind lynching him.  Need a reread
Awaclus - I kind of like an Awaclus lynch.  Especially after seeing the post count, plus that one yuma vote I find super scummy.
Haddock - Oh yeah, he is plyaing.  I could participate in a lynch.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:41:23 pm
I know I haven't posted as much as usual, but now I'm definitely lynchable?

Dont take it personal.  I am not planning on running out to vote you anytime soon or anything
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:42:01 pm
And you are man-crushing on Iguanaiguana, but you forget him?

I didn't.  He is also "definitely lynchable" if you notice.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 08:43:23 pm
I know I haven't posted as much as usual, but now I'm definitely lynchable?

Dont take it personal.  I am not planning on running out to vote you anytime soon or anything
Me? Taking something personal?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 08:43:51 pm
And you are man-crushing on Iguanaiguana, but you forget him?

I didn't.  He is also "definitely lynchable" if you notice.
I didn't notice. But he has 111 posts!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:48:24 pm
And you are man-crushing on Iguanaiguana, but you forget him?

I didn't.  He is also "definitely lynchable" if you notice.
I didn't notice. But he has 111 posts!

he only has 70
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:55:37 pm
Also, RR is the only person voting for yuma who has more posts than him.  If you guys want to complain about his "inactivity" by all means go ahead.  I am not worried about it at all.  When he decides to come back he will.  And he will come back with plenty of things to say.

Or we will eventually lynch him.  Or scum will eventually kill him.  Or something else will happen.  I don't know.  What I do know is that he is very useful to have around towards the endgame.  If scum doesn't kill him (assuming town at this point which I know is a very big assumption) then he can turn into an incredible asset later.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 08:57:32 pm
Also, RR is the only person voting for yuma who has more posts than him.  If you guys want to complain about his "inactivity" by all means go ahead.  I am not worried about it at all.  When he decides to come back he will.  And he will come back with plenty of things to say.

Or we will eventually lynch him.  Or scum will eventually kill him.  Or something else will happen.  I don't know.  What I do know is that he is very useful to have around towards the endgame.  If scum doesn't kill him (assuming town at this point which I know is a very big assumption) then he can turn into an incredible asset later.

First of all : incorrect.

Secondly : this isn't inactivity. This is deliberate refusal to play the game.

Thirdly : this is not something town!yuma would do.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 08:59:21 pm
Oh yeah.  And Teproc.

And I wouldn't put it past town!yuma.  He is only just back from a long absence that was.....unfortunately caused.  I see this as him taking a step back from the game to get reset before jumping back in.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 09:11:59 pm
I mean, I really don't see yuma (town or scum) "punishing" the rest of us who are playing by dragging on and never coming back.  Is it possible, sure.  But I just don't believe yuma is that much of a jerk.  I mean, everyone has the potential of having a little jerk in them, but from everything I have seen from yuma he is not that kind of jerk.  We all know that kind of a jerk. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1882)

Let me reference the civility pledge (since you brought it up earlier):
-- Voluntarily stepping away from the game for a few hours is the best way to prevent yourself from saying something you regret.

Granted, he is stepping away for more than a few hours, but I think the principle applies.

Now, does this mean I think he is right in doing what he is doing?  No, not really.  Do I think we should lynch him for it?  No.  Do I think we need to bring in moderation for it?  No, he isn't breaking any rules.

I mean, I get it.  It is a pretty crappy thing to do.  But I would rather him do what he is doing than let things get any worse.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 09:13:14 pm
What's wrong with the 'that kind of jerk' guy?

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 03, 2015, 09:14:54 pm
What's wrong with the 'that kind of jerk' guy?

He ruined one of Faust's games by sharing the identity of the mafia with everyone else playing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 09:15:01 pm
I agree fully with this Robz quote. The yuma/silver thing was 2 days ago. That's not "stepping back", he's commited to his thing at this point.

PPE : Click on my signature, explore the awfulness of humanity therein, then you can smile at my signature in the future.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 09:17:49 pm
What's wrong with the 'that kind of jerk' guy?

He got lynched in LOST (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11890.msg427932#msg427932) and then PMed everyone the scum QT
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 09:39:59 pm
That's terrible! In Harry Potter, I considered 'selling out my partners' by saying one actual Mafia and one town. I didn't as one for one is a bad deal, and I thought that was unsportsmanlike.

Why can't we lynch Yuma? He is super duper anti town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 09:40:55 pm
I agree fully with this Robz quote. The yuma/silver thing was 2 days ago. That's not "stepping back", he's commited to his thing at this point.

PPE : Click on my signature, explore the awfulness of humanity therein, then you can smile at my signature in the future.
Since I'm asking about all the terrible things that happened in Forum Mafia, what happened between Yuma and SS? I must have missed that...
Re reading times,
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 09:42:50 pm
I agree fully with this Robz quote. The yuma/silver thing was 2 days ago. That's not "stepping back", he's commited to his thing at this point.

PPE : Click on my signature, explore the awfulness of humanity therein, then you can smile at my signature in the future.
Since I'm asking about all the terrible things that happened in Forum Mafia, what happened between Yuma and SS? I must have missed that...
Re reading times,

Em, that was in this game. I'm sure you can find it. Granted it wasn't anything big, they just got annoyed with each other and that's what led yuma to do the whole "I refuse to say anything other than "post" and will hammer someone at L-1 if given the opportunity" thing.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 09:46:20 pm
If yuma flips scum, 2.7 is potential partner.

Also I find 2.7's definite push to get votes off yuma is confusing at most.  It makes little sense.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 09:52:42 pm
If yuma flips scum, 2.7 is potential partner.

Also I find 2.7's definite push to get votes off yuma is confusing at most.  It makes little sense.

And WW rounds us out to make all three scum.  Not...

My push to defend yuma is being done because I believe him to be town and as town I do not want to lynch him.  I think lynching him is more anti-town than letting him live and hope for him to post again.  Could I be wrong?  Most definitely (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14311.msg547022#msg547022).  I just don't think I am here.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 09:54:34 pm
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.
Found it, finally.

This sucks. Maybe if we say really outrageous things we can coax him out? Seeing as he didn't get replaced/try to get replaced, he might do something later.
I don't find this mean spirited, but I think it's unnecessary.
He might start talking again if SS dies.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 09:56:48 pm
He might start talking again if SS dies.

I do not like this line of thinking at all.  It might be correct, but I refuse to believe it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 09:59:32 pm
you are right. I am a jerk.

unvote

i'll post once a day (per the rules). I will hammer if anyone gets to L-1 when I come online.

Have fun.
Found it, finally.

This sucks. Maybe if we say really outrageous things we can coax him out? Seeing as he didn't get replaced/try to get replaced, he might do something later.
I don't find this mean spirited, but I think it's unnecessary.
He might start talking again if SS dies.

But earlier....

Vote: Yuma
I don't know what a policy vote is, but I think this is one.

This makes no sense.  How can you claim a "policy" vote when you didn't know what policy you were voting on?  I think you should rethink your yuma vote and switch to someone else.  How about Awaclus.  I will join you there.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 10:02:29 pm
Who is more anti-town, Yuma or Awaclus? I feel inclined to take Yuma down because he is anti town. I don't this SS was entirely in the wrong. This can be an aggressive game, and I think Yuma reacted poorly.

He is probably laughing because he realizes that we can't lynch Yuma no matter how hard we try.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 10:04:27 pm
Oh, snap.
I just googled what a policy vote/lynch is. I'm in trouble. I'm clearly the worst Mafia player on the forum, so if we just want to lynch an unhelpful person, I'm going down.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:12:45 pm
Who is more anti-town, Yuma or Awaclus?

Don't lynch anti-town.  Lynch scum
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 10:13:28 pm
Who is more anti-town, Yuma or Awaclus?

Don't lynch anti-town.  Lynch scum
The biggest scumtell is being anti town!
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:14:43 pm
Who is more anti-town, Yuma or Awaclus?

Don't lynch anti-town.  Lynch scum

Scum can actually be very beneficial to town. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11385.msg398614#msg398614)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 10:16:52 pm
Back.

Haven't read anything since last real post, don't intend to either as I am guessing I won't want to read much of it.... If you really, really want me to see something quote it with ATTENTION: yuma above it or something and I might respond to it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:24:32 pm
oh good.  Now we can move on and lynch either Awaclus or Ampharos.

Ampharos because he is scummy

Awaclus because he is a lurker who tried to take advantage of the whole yuma disappearing act to lynch yuma.  Which I think is scummy.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:26:05 pm
Back.

Haven't read anything since last real post, don't intend to either as I am guessing I won't want to read much of it.... If you really, really want me to see something quote it with ATTENTION: yuma above it or something and I might respond to it.

If I may ask, why come back at this point?  It's a bit suspicious seeing as you're one of the top lynch candidates.  Could be coincidence, but this is mafia we're talking about.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:26:43 pm
oh good.  Now we can move on and lynch either Awaclus or Ampharos.

Ampharos because he is scummy

Awaclus because he is a lurker who tried to take advantage of the whole yuma disappearing act to lynch yuma.  Which I think is scummy.

The records. They are broken.

When I flip town, will you have the grace to apologize?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:31:12 pm
oh good.  Now we can move on and lynch either Awaclus or Ampharos.

Ampharos because he is scummy

Awaclus because he is a lurker who tried to take advantage of the whole yuma disappearing act to lynch yuma.  Which I think is scummy.

The records. They are broken.

When I flip town, will you have the grace to apologize?

The records actually don't lie.  I linked them just a bit ago.  I am afraid I am involved in lynching town (as town) 3x more than I am lynching scum (as town).  So yes, of course I will apologize.  However, to repeat myself again on that broken record of yours, I don't think I will have to.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 10:33:22 pm
Back.

Haven't read anything since last real post, don't intend to either as I am guessing I won't want to read much of it.... If you really, really want me to see something quote it with ATTENTION: yuma above it or something and I might respond to it.

If I may ask, why come back at this point?  It's a bit suspicious seeing as you're one of the top lynch candidates.  Could be coincidence, but this is mafia we're talking about.

I got to a point where I felt confident that I could come back and not say something really stupid like I would have in the past that would have escalated the argument into a situation that would have been awful and probably would have resulted in me leaving again.

I used a coping mechanism and I coped. Why am I a top lynch candidate? For leaving?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:34:43 pm
Why am I a top lynch candidate? For leaving?

Doesn't make sense to me either.  That claim of yours....might as well just go full-on Robz and claim IC
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:36:58 pm
oh good.  Now we can move on and lynch either Awaclus or Ampharos.

Ampharos because he is scummy

Awaclus because he is a lurker who tried to take advantage of the whole yuma disappearing act to lynch yuma.  Which I think is scummy.

The records. They are broken.

When I flip town, will you have the grace to apologize?

The records actually don't lie.  I linked them just a bit ago.  I am afraid I am involved in lynching town (as town) 3x more than I am lynching scum (as town).  So yes, of course I will apologize.  However, to repeat myself again on that broken record of yours, I don't think I will have to.

What do you expect from me?  To act a different way even though you've never seen me play before?  I can't claim since it would be pointless, and anything I say you'll probably say is scummy.  You've backed a townie into a corner and into a situation where he can't do a whole lot for his team.   I think you're a little too intent on getting me lynched that you can't consider the possibility that I'm not scum.

It's also damaging our in-game relationship to the point where if I survive today/tonight, I'll have a hard time working with you in the following days assuming you are actually town.  You're awfully sure I'm scum (somehow, not sure how), and are willing to play overly aggressive to the point where you're hurting town if you don't get the lynch.  You'll hurt town if you do get the lynch. 

Either way, your play is not pro-town right now, whether you can see it or not. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:38:39 pm
Back.

Haven't read anything since last real post, don't intend to either as I am guessing I won't want to read much of it.... If you really, really want me to see something quote it with ATTENTION: yuma above it or something and I might respond to it.

If I may ask, why come back at this point?  It's a bit suspicious seeing as you're one of the top lynch candidates.  Could be coincidence, but this is mafia we're talking about.

I got to a point where I felt confident that I could come back and not say something really stupid like I would have in the past that would have escalated the argument into a situation that would have been awful and probably would have resulted in me leaving again.

I used a coping mechanism and I coped. Why am I a top lynch candidate? For leaving?

Yes.  There are a few theories flying around, none of which can be voiced out loud legally I believe (possibly they are all the same one), and they all wind up with you being scum.  To give you full sense of the situation in case you are town and are telling the truth: many people do not see town!yuma doing what you did and will probably be very very suspicious that you came back when you did.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:40:13 pm
Additionally, if you are telling the truth, then I'm glad that you were able to take some time to chill and come back. :)
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:40:21 pm
what you just said

Ok.  I don't really want you to defend yourself.  Like you said, you have done that.  Give me something to work with.  Give me something to partner with you on. 

Lynching Awaclus?  I am totally down.  Let's do it together. 

Lynching faust?  Explain this a bit more for me

I mean, I really like your play, and would miss you on D2.  Just give me someone better to lynch and I will join you.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ampharos on December 03, 2015, 10:41:54 pm
what you just said

Ok.  I don't really want you to defend yourself.  Like you said, you have done that.  Give me something to work with.  Give me something to partner with you on. 

Lynching Awaclus?  I am totally down.  Let's do it together. 

Lynching faust?  Explain this a bit more for me

I mean, I really like your play, and would miss you on D2.  Just give me someone better to lynch and I will join you.

Thank you for at least being willing to discuss.  I really have to go to bed (up too late as is) but will respond to this fully in the morning.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 10:43:50 pm
Yes.  There are a few theories flying around, none of which can be voiced out loud legally I believe (possibly they are all the same one), and they all wind up with you being scum.  To give you full sense of the situation in case you are town and are telling the truth: many people do not see town!yuma doing what you did and will probably be very very suspicious that you came back when you did.

Well I don't know what to say to that...
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 10:47:14 pm
Vote Count 1.2.71828.....

Ampharos (4): ss, Hydrad, WW, 2.7
EgorK (2): iguana, Haddock
yuma (5): Awaclus, Teproc, faust, Ampharos, RR
2.7 (1): EgorK

Not Voting (1): yuma

I believe this is current.  For general situational awareness
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on December 03, 2015, 10:49:10 pm
yay yumas back for now!

I'm glad. also I think hes my strongest town read even.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 10:52:04 pm
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:53:55 pm
Good. Am I correct in assuming you are back yuma ?

If so, let's move on

vote: 2.7

He's trying very, very hard to be reasonable. Everything he says is carefully measured... of course some play this way as town too, and 2.7 certainly isn't the most impulsive player out there, but he's not that measured, not that I can remembered.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:56:49 pm
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular

I did not expect you to be out this long, and decided that if you continued on that path (as opposed to /outing, which would have been the reasonable option long term if you were still upset), it had to be a ploy capitalizing on that fight, and therefore scum. I also hoped pressure might convince you to come back to the game. As it turns out I just got a bit too impatient.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 10:59:14 pm
As for not reading posts... you were not a huge suspect of conversation before you said "post post", so if you want to avoid that, I think everything between your two prodding posts was mostly focused on other things.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 11:03:06 pm
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular

I did not expect you to be out this long, and decided that if you continued on that path (as opposed to /outing, which would have been the reasonable option long term if you were still upset), it had to be a ploy capitalizing on that fight, and therefore scum. I also hoped pressure might convince you to come back to the game. As it turns out I just got a bit too impatient.

Hmmm. That makes sense. And to clarify I wasn't upset. I mean... I was initially, but haven't necessarily been this whole time sitting here steaming about it. No. That would be stupid. But I did want to make sure that I could come back, compartmentalize (something just in general in life I have been working on) and regardless of what others said not get sucked into an argument that would make me or others more upset.

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

I felt this option was preferable to outing and to creating a "circle jerk" in the thread as someone else once so eloquently put it....
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 03, 2015, 11:03:53 pm
As for not reading posts... you were not a huge suspect of conversation before you said "post post", so if you want to avoid that, I think everything between your two prodding posts was mostly focused on other things.

Ok. Good to know. I am still probably not going to go back and read it....
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:05:33 pm

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

Deadline is december 8th and wagons have been... a challenge this game. Let's get one going on e ! He's been defending you very scummily.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on December 03, 2015, 11:07:22 pm

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

Deadline is december 8th and wagons have been... a challenge this game. Let's get one going on e ! He's been defending you very scummily.

Defending the IC is not scummy
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2015, 11:08:51 pm

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

Deadline is december 8th and wagons have been... a challenge this game. Let's get one going on e ! He's been defending you very scummily.

Defending the IC is not scummy

You jest, but it really is.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:37:32 pm
What's wrong with the 'that kind of jerk' guy?

He ruined one of Faust's games by sharing the identity of the mafia with everyone else playing.

Haha, I hadn't thought about that game in a while. Good times.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:39:01 pm
Good. Am I correct in assuming you are back yuma ?

If so, let's move on

vote: 2.7

He's trying very, very hard to be reasonable. Everything he says is carefully measured... of course some play this way as town too, and 2.7 certainly isn't the most impulsive player out there, but he's not that measured, not that I can remembered.

I don't think that's true. The stuff around his post count and PoE does not strike me as carefully measured at all. 
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:39:21 pm

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

Deadline is december 8th and wagons have been... a challenge this game. Let's get one going on e ! He's been defending you very scummily.

Defending the IC is not scummy

You jest, but it really is.

This, however, is true.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 03, 2015, 11:41:32 pm
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular

So, I think (whether or not you intended it) you created quite a bit of content.  Want to analyze your wagon?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 03, 2015, 11:46:57 pm
Unvote
This feels too much like the opposite of Switch to me, which would make Yuma town.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 04, 2015, 12:22:37 am
Awaclus - I kind of like an Awaclus lynch.  Especially after seeing the post count, plus that one yuma vote I find super scummy.

Do you also find my yuma vote in Switch and my silver vote in Random super scummy?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 04, 2015, 04:48:58 am
Hmmm. That makes sense. And to clarify I wasn't upset. I mean... I was initially, but haven't necessarily been this whole time sitting here steaming about it. No. That would be stupid. But I did want to make sure that I could come back, compartmentalize (something just in general in life I have been working on) and regardless of what others said not get sucked into an argument that would make me or others more upset.

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

I felt this option was preferable to outing and to creating a "circle jerk" in the thread as someone else once so eloquently put it....

Well um. See, I have two problems with this. Firstly, if what you said was what you intended to do, that's fine. But your original post does not say it is. For all we knew, you were going to stay like this for the rest of the game. I know you were maybe too emotional to clarify then, but you could have easily done so in your 2 posts after that.

And secondly, I am not sure how much use you are to town if you come back here, but refuse to scumhunt (scumhunting kinda necessitates reading everything).
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 04, 2015, 05:27:40 am
Yuma could be scum here.  He's been known to pull crazy gambits to avoid a lynch.  The timing of his return is also suspicious.  But there was no vote pressure on him when he dropped out; I think there are better lynches today.

I'm going to take a look at e; he slipped under my radar until recently.  His recent stuff seems scummy to me but I don't want to judge too soon.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on December 04, 2015, 05:28:29 am
Vote Count 1.10:

Ampharos (4): ss, Hydrad, WW, 2.7
EgorK (2): iguana, Haddock
yuma (3): Awaclus, faust, Ampharos
2.7 (2): EgorK, Teproc

Not Voting (2): yuma, RR

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December 8 at 9:00 a.m. forum time.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 04, 2015, 05:49:53 am
I'm going to take a look at e; he slipped under my radar until recently.  His recent stuff seems scummy to me but I don't want to judge too soon.
Meh.  Not much to get out of this.  Most of his posts are well-crafted in that they're not really alignment tells either way.  Maybe that's a scumtell?  But bleh. 

I could maybe vote for Ampharos, except that at least two of the votes on Ampharos are scumreads for me (ss and Hydrad) - so I don't like that.

Then again all of the wagons have some sort of mild scumread on them, except the one I'm currently on.

There are no current wagons I want to move to.  I agree we need to get the game going.  Don't know if this will help but here's my lynch pool:

2.7 - scummy recently
Ampharos - I can kinda see where people are coming from, could possibly lynch.  But many of the people pushing him are also on my lynchable list.
Awa - classic town!Awa as far as I can see.
Egor - hasn't said much of note recently.   Scummy at first and keeps pushing obv!town!RR.  Plus gut.
faust - I need to reread faust.  But mislynching faust of all people could be a disaster.  He would be at the bottom of my lynchable list probably.
Haddock
Hydrad - Lurky as usual, and his contributions are often fluff rather than being helpful like they usually are.
Igu - towny.
RR - towny.
SS - Still getting scum vibes from SS, maybe it's just because D1 SS is different to rest-of-time SS.
Teproc - towny.
WW - totally null.  There are better lynches.
yuma - His disappearing act was suspicious, but in contrast is his claim which I still have trouble not believing.  I could lynch him if there were no other option.

So from scummiest to least scummy (of my lynchables):
Egor=SS   >  Hydrad  >  2.7=Amp  >  yuma  >>  faust.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 04, 2015, 06:36:56 am
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular

So, I think (whether or not you intended it) you created quite a bit of content.  Want to analyze your wagon?

If someone wants to analyze it I can analyze their analysis.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 04, 2015, 06:42:11 am
Hmmm. That makes sense. And to clarify I wasn't upset. I mean... I was initially, but haven't necessarily been this whole time sitting here steaming about it. No. That would be stupid. But I did want to make sure that I could come back, compartmentalize (something just in general in life I have been working on) and regardless of what others said not get sucked into an argument that would make me or others more upset.

I thought that I would stay away until the end of Day1 and come back fresh Day2, but apparently this is the longest day ever--hasn't this game been going for like a week and a half already?--and I got bored and missed mafia and decided I felt comfortable coming back.

I felt this option was preferable to outing and to creating a "circle jerk" in the thread as someone else once so eloquently put it....

Well um. See, I have two problems with this. Firstly, if what you said was what you intended to do, that's fine. But your original post does not say it is. For all we knew, you were going to stay like this for the rest of the game. I know you were maybe too emotional to clarify then, but you could have easily done so in your 2 posts after that.

And secondly, I am not sure how much use you are to town if you come back here, but refuse to scumhunt (scumhunting kinda necessitates reading everything).

I could have been more clear I guess. But given that I wasn't paying any attention to the thread aside from making sure I wasn't mod killed so I didn't know there was a need for a clarification. Catch-22...

And not reading the stuff after I left was a condition that I made for myself to return. Deal with it? Think of me as a sub for myself. I have subbed into games stating that I wouldn't be reading anything that occurred before I came in. That was a condition of me playing. Same deal here.

So if you want me to see something... Post it.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on December 04, 2015, 07:07:57 am
Why did you come back?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 04, 2015, 07:13:41 am
And I have to realize again that I cannot read yuma. He was way easier to read when there was nothing to read.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: EgorK on December 04, 2015, 07:18:33 am
Haddock, you say "classic town!awa". What traits are town for him? What are scum?
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on December 04, 2015, 07:36:09 am
Why did you come back?

see post #966
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: faust on December 04, 2015, 08:03:24 am
Haddock, you say "classic town!awa". What traits are town for him? What are scum?

I believe the general consensus is that scum!Awaclus tends to be more chatty, helpful, and willing to engage in discussions. Awaclus said so himself somewhere. One would think that it is easy for him to emulate his lurky, unhelpful town meta, but Awaclus most recent scum game (M71) showed that it's hard for him... I vigged him there partly due to his activity level.

Haddock can correct me if he meant something else.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: iguanaiguana on December 04, 2015, 08:05:20 am
And secondly, I am not sure how much use you are to town if you come back here, but refuse to scumhunt (scumhunting kinda necessitates reading everything).

But if we are lynching based on not reading the thread, we need to lynch RR here (and probably every game) because he's constantly posting stuff like this:

Why did you come back?

Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on December 04, 2015, 08:05:40 am
Haddock, you say "classic town!awa". What traits are town for him? What are scum?

I believe the general consensus is that scum!Awaclus tends to be more chatty, helpful, and willing to engage in discussions. Awaclus said so himself somewhere. One would think that it is easy for him to emulate his lurky, unhelpful town meta, but Awaclus most recent scum game (M71) showed that it's hard for him... I vigged him there partly due to his activity level.

Haddock can correct me if he meant something else.
No this is pretty much exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 04, 2015, 08:44:48 am
oh wow! that is kinda close to a lynch.

I'll be honest... I am surprised... by two in particular

So, I think (whether or not you intended it) you created quite a bit of content.  Want to analyze your wagon?

If someone wants to analyze it I can analyze their analysis.

To dawg, I heard you like to analyze.  So I analyzed your analysis so you can analyze an analysis analysis.
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 04, 2015, 08:45:04 am
*Your
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 04, 2015, 08:45:29 am
!Yo.  Damn phone
Title: Re: M72: Marvel Heroes Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on December 04, 2015, 08:52:55 am