Haha, I guess all betting WW because he has most posts here and published some gameplay commentaries :-)
Go RisingJaguar!
Haha, I guess all betting WW because he has most posts here and published some gameplay commentaries :-)Thanks for the support! =)
Go RisingJaguar!
Currently, there is really nothing to base your vote on other than posts or ranking. I've only played RisingJaguar and manzi once each, and both have sub-25 post counts here, so I don't really know anything about them. Maybe after the interviews (or maybe even if there was a set of "highlights" of the games they played in the tournament thus far), it will be easier to make a slightly more informed vote.You can change your vote at any time. I considered doing "highlights", but alas, it turns out "Dominion SportsCenter" might just be the single least interesting thing in the world.
WW is extremely solid, but the final games will be hand made kingdoms that will probably not favor Big Money (although I believe at least a few should be included). If I would still be in the tournament I wouldn't like my chances :D I seem to remember WW saying BM is his specialty...
WW is extremely solid, but the final games will be hand made kingdoms that will probably not favor Big Money (although I believe at least a few should be included). If I would still be in the tournament I wouldn't like my chances :D I seem to remember WW saying BM is his specialty...
WW is good at Big Money, but he's even better at alternate green cards. Gardens, Duke, Silk Road games are his real specialty.
Currently, there is really nothing to base your vote on other than posts or ranking. I've only played RisingJaguar and manzi once each, and both have sub-25 post counts here, so I don't really know anything about them. Maybe after the interviews (or maybe even if there was a set of "highlights" of the games they played in the tournament thus far), it will be easier to make a slightly more informed vote.
WW is extremely solid, but the final games will be hand made kingdoms that will probably not favor Big Money (although I believe at least a few should be included). If I would still be in the tournament I wouldn't like my chances :D I seem to remember WW saying BM is his specialty...
WW is good at Big Money, but he's even better at alternate green cards. Gardens, Duke, Silk Road games are his real specialty.
I voted manzi based purely on the fact that he has never been pushed to a game 7 yet.
Also, just noticed that manzi is the only one of the final four that I've ever played against. And I won, handily. ;D
And Copper. Don't forget Copper.WW is extremely solid, but the final games will be hand made kingdoms that will probably not favor Big Money (although I believe at least a few should be included). If I would still be in the tournament I wouldn't like my chances :D I seem to remember WW saying BM is his specialty...
WW is good at Big Money, but he's even better at alternate green cards. Gardens, Duke, Silk Road games are his real specialty.
I would agree with this. Before our quarterfinal match, I searched out a few of WW's posts on those cards, specifically to shrink the gap between us in that area. I got lazy though and didn't look very hard, but I definitely had the same thought as you.
In the final 8 so far, all matches have been won by the person listed nearer the top. I'm going with olneyce.
I think olneyce has the score backwards on game 5.Yep, oops!
First: how is 'olneyce' pronounced exactly?Yeah, I never really thought about people needing to actually understand my isotropic name. It's my last name and first two initials, the format my college used for email accounts. Which I just started using as my all-purpose login for stuff. So it's pronounced Olney C E.
1: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-183816-ff9e0951.html
2: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-185043-65fc5f5b.html
3: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-190237-03191a0c.html
4: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-192236-6de9af44.html
5: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-193056-e8685ab4.html
6: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-195846-98e371b6.html
7: http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120121-201220-c78c8cda.html
Game 3: So I'm pretty sure Young Witch/Silver HAS to be better than YW/Men. Like, you need the money eventually, right? You're going to want at least a single silver. And it's better to grab it early. Maybe Mens on the second reshuffle. And I suppose Moneylender/Men is possible. But to get that forge, you'll need some money anyway. And you can also draw the Menagerie pretty meaningfully dead 1st reshuffle.I have to disagree here. Without any really powerful 5, having a single silver at the first shuffle doesn't buy you much. If you're really lucky you can get a gold out of it (which you did), but most of the time, it won't really get you anything great. So you might as well get menagerie to stay (at least in probability) in the better position in terms of curses, which it does in 2 ways: decreasing the chance YW falls to turn 5, and giving you a chance to block a curse. Then you can add 2 cards which get you money in the second shuffle, which will set you up to get gold/forge.
I'm not sure menagerie actually decreases probability of YW missing the reshuffle, because the YW draws 2 cards. You increase the chance that drawing it turn 4 results in triggering a reshuffle when you play it. That said, I'm not sure it's a huge deal, but something to consider.Don't play the menagerie in turn 4 if you have it in hand with the YW. And if you can get them both turn 3, it's a big boon.
Any chance the final // bronze-match will be streamed live? That would be AWESOME =)! Don't care about sound - though wandering's comments are must-hear for learning (and for great fun) =).If there's a bronze match, I'll stream it live.
Best of luck to all of you.
We're tentatively planning on playing Saturday evening (Pacific time), but need to coordinate with the organizers about distributing the sets, etc.Any chance the final // bronze-match will be streamed live? That would be AWESOME =)! Don't care about sound - though wandering's comments are must-hear for learning (and for great fun) =).If there's a bronze match, I'll stream it live.
Best of luck to all of you.
...is there going to be?
Also, has anyone talked about the final match yet? I'd love to be able to have a group in the lobby while it's going on, discussing the sets.
I approve of WW's idea of set discussion in the lobby. Maybe this forum needs a chat room.
I do think WW and RJ should play a Bronze match. It will affect seeding for the next DS year-end tournament.Yeah I just PMed WW about that today so when he gets back to me, we'll let you know. I figure it would be best to have it right before or at least on the same day. But I"m currently somewhat busy on saturday (the day of the finals) so we may not be able to.
rrenaud and I (mostly I, I think he's close to done) are still finishing up the analysis of all the submitted sets.So we are planning to play at 6 PM Pacific time on Saturday (which is 11 AM on Sunday for manzi). I can't imagine that's a good time for London, but New York probably? He said he could go earlier by a couple hours if necessary.
Whatever time works for you two will probably work for one of us. Given that I'm now in London and rrenaud is still in New York, I'm sure we can find a compatible time.
I approve of WW's idea of set discussion in the lobby. Maybe this forum needs a chat room.
I do think WW and RJ should play a Bronze match. It will affect seeding for the next DS year-end tournament.
rrenaud and I (mostly I, I think he's close to done) are still finishing up the analysis of all the submitted sets.So we are planning to play at 6 PM Pacific time on Saturday (which is 11 AM on Sunday for manzi). I can't imagine that's a good time for London, but New York probably? He said he could go earlier by a couple hours if necessary.
Whatever time works for you two will probably work for one of us. Given that I'm now in London and rrenaud is still in New York, I'm sure we can find a compatible time.
I approve of WW's idea of set discussion in the lobby. Maybe this forum needs a chat room.
I do think WW and RJ should play a Bronze match. It will affect seeding for the next DS year-end tournament.
Yeah, having the two players be a third of the world away means any workable time for us likely is very bad for someone at the other point of the triangle.rrenaud and I (mostly I, I think he's close to done) are still finishing up the analysis of all the submitted sets.So we are planning to play at 6 PM Pacific time on Saturday (which is 11 AM on Sunday for manzi). I can't imagine that's a good time for London, but New York probably? He said he could go earlier by a couple hours if necessary.
Whatever time works for you two will probably work for one of us. Given that I'm now in London and rrenaud is still in New York, I'm sure we can find a compatible time.
I approve of WW's idea of set discussion in the lobby. Maybe this forum needs a chat room.
I do think WW and RJ should play a Bronze match. It will affect seeding for the next DS year-end tournament.
That's 9 PM in NY, and 2 AM in London. I doubt moving the time even three hours earlier makes it a "good" time for Europe.
Probably not so bad on the East Coast US though.Yeah, having the two players be a third of the world away means any workable time for us likely is very bad for someone at the other point of the triangle.rrenaud and I (mostly I, I think he's close to done) are still finishing up the analysis of all the submitted sets.So we are planning to play at 6 PM Pacific time on Saturday (which is 11 AM on Sunday for manzi). I can't imagine that's a good time for London, but New York probably? He said he could go earlier by a couple hours if necessary.
Whatever time works for you two will probably work for one of us. Given that I'm now in London and rrenaud is still in New York, I'm sure we can find a compatible time.
I approve of WW's idea of set discussion in the lobby. Maybe this forum needs a chat room.
I do think WW and RJ should play a Bronze match. It will affect seeding for the next DS year-end tournament.
That's 9 PM in NY, and 2 AM in London. I doubt moving the time even three hours earlier makes it a "good" time for Europe.
From my experience in my series WW is a lot more accomplished than what is shown here... maybe I didn't get to play those engine games?
Some post-game commentary from me.There is a good counter to the Pool engine however, which is Embargo itself.
Game 1: The more I thought about it, the more Spice Merchant/Embargo into a pool engine seems really strong to me. The thing is, you've got to get that embargo up fast, and then you've got to have your engine stand up to Militia/BM anyway, which isn't going to be so so bad. But I think it's probably usually going to be enough, if you play the engine right.
So are you guys (olneyce, manzi) also planning to stream it 'live-ish'? Unfortunately I'm part of the Europe minority here but in case I can't sleep or am coming home about that time... ;-)I don't know how to do live streaming. If it's really easy to set it up I could probably do it. Otherwise, it'll have to just be post facto videos. I will make an effort to record audio commentary (though no promises it'll be particularly erudite) since I know that's really crucial to making a watchable video.
No pressure on the commentary here. I think most people want to see (or at least I'm very curious) about watching you both go at these preselected kingdoms. Just watching someone's hand is more fun than having game logs, especially in engine building.So are you guys (olneyce, manzi) also planning to stream it 'live-ish'? Unfortunately I'm part of the Europe minority here but in case I can't sleep or am coming home about that time... ;-)I don't know how to do live streaming. If it's really easy to set it up I could probably do it. Otherwise, it'll have to just be post facto videos. I will make an effort to record audio commentary (though no promises it'll be particularly erudite) since I know that's really crucial to making a watchable video.
No pressure on the commentary here. I think most people want to see (or at least I'm very curious) about watching you both go at these preselected kingdoms. Just watching someone's hand is more fun than having game logs, especially in engine building.So are you guys (olneyce, manzi) also planning to stream it 'live-ish'? Unfortunately I'm part of the Europe minority here but in case I can't sleep or am coming home about that time... ;-)I don't know how to do live streaming. If it's really easy to set it up I could probably do it. Otherwise, it'll have to just be post facto videos. I will make an effort to record audio commentary (though no promises it'll be particularly erudite) since I know that's really crucial to making a watchable video.
Finals scheduled for 6 PM Pacific time this evening. No livestreaming, but we'll be meeting in the Secret Chamber if people are interested in seeing the Kingdom sets rolled out. I will be recording - and should be able to get those posted up within the hour after finishing.
A couple thoughts after watching a little bit of my videos:
1. Man, I play slowly.
5. Like, REALLY slowly.
In game two I was little surprised neither player went for Bureaucrat. Was that a trap card? In the two games I played against a friend using the same deck I was able to use Bureaucrat pretty effectively. Gaining the silvers w/o having to buy them helped in having enough economy once greening starting getting intense and putting a green card hurt him quite a bit when he was attempting to use his crossroads. There were a couple of times he only had two victory cards in hand with a crossroad and a played Bureaucrat forcing him to put one back on top, so that he was only able to draw one card with it--the card he just put on top.I didn't go for it because I was super-committed to Barons or bust and didn't want to clog up my deck with any extra money. I'm not sure I had a particularly good counter, other than the fact that my buying power was really only reliant on getting a Baron and Estate together, so cycling the deck was less important than in a lot of games.
How would have both players countered it, or just ignored it, if the other picked it up?
Congratulations Olneyce! As the first player to lose to you in the tournament, I'm happy you went on to win :)
I played #1, #4, (I'm #5), #17, and #19 on today's board, among others.Congratulations Olneyce! As the first player to lose to you in the tournament, I'm happy you went on to win :)
It's interesting to look at the start of the tournament and the seeds and everything. The guy I played was an 8 seed and is currently #2 on the leaderboards =P