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Title: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Game Over!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 05:57:48 pm
Welcome to M70: Switch Mafia 2

This game is for 13 players, and is classified as normal. The setup used is Switch Mafia. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Switch_(Setup)) More setup details in the second post.

Players:
1. Witherweaver - Vanilla Townie - Killed N2
2. Faust - Town-aligned Doctor - Killed N1
3. Roadrunner7671
4. Ashersky - Mafia-aligned Doctor switch - Lynched D1
5. gkrieg13 - Town-aligned Cop - Killed N3
6. Haddock - Mafia-aligned Vigilante switch - Killed N4
7. Awaclus
8. Silverspawn - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1
9. Hydrad - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D3
10. Ichimaru Gin
11. Jimmmmm - Vigilante - Killed N2
12. Yuma - Mafia-aligned cop switch - Lynched D2
13. Chairs - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D4

Moderators: Twistedarcher, Pacovf

Tagged: scott_pilgrim

Game Events:
D1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531702#msg531702)
D1 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg533397#msg533397)
D2 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg533969#msg533969)
D2 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg535350#msg535350)
D3 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg536085#msg536085)
D3 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg537548#msg537548)
D4 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg538273#msg538273)
D4 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg539791#msg539791)
D5 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg540253#msg540253)

The Rules:
This game will follow the standard Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0).
Mod color is blue, and is reserved for moderator use only.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven days.
2. Nights will last two days. Night actions are due after 48 hours.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 05:57:55 pm
This game will use the mafiascum Switch setup (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Switch_(Setup)), with a few adjustments. This game will start in D1, rather than starting in N0. To adjust for this, there is one fewer Vanilla town.

The setup will include the following players:
1 Mafia Cop Switch
1 Mafia Doctor Switch
1 Mafia Vigilante Switch
1 Serial Killer
1 Town-aligned Cop
1 Town-aligned Doctor
1 Town-aligned Vigilante
6 Vanilla Townies


Switch Mechanic:
There are 3 switches in this game: A cop switch, a doctor switch, and a vigilante switch. During each night, the mafia cop switch may press the cop switch, the mafia doctor switch may press the doctor switch, and the mafia vigilante switch may press the vigilante switch. The serial killer may press any of 0-3 switches.

If a switch is pressed once (by either a mafia member or the serial killer), the corresponding town member is roleblocked. If a switch is pressed twice (by both mafia and serial killer), then the corresponding town member is not roleblocked.

Additional Rules:
1) Mafia members may either perform their factional kill or press their switch, but not both.
2) The Serial Killer may perform a nightkill and press any number of switches in the same night.
3) Pregame, the Serial Killer must choose a power. He may either be immune to the Mafia Nightkill, or be immune to the town Vig/Cop. If the SK chooses cop immunity, he will return "Town" to the cop.
4) The cop receives the results "Town", "Anti-Town", "No Result".

Stalemates/Ties:
In the case of a no lynch/no kill stalemate, then Mafia/the SK must perform a night kill to break the stalemate. In the case of three straight no lynch/no kills, the town will win the game.

If there are two players remaining, one mafia and one SK, and the SK is not immune to mafia kills, the game will end in a joint win for mafia and the SK.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2015, 06:02:14 pm
\in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: faust on September 28, 2015, 06:14:59 pm
/in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 28, 2015, 06:15:24 pm
/in, but I have never played before.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 06:16:58 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: ashersky on September 28, 2015, 06:18:54 pm
/in.  Need to redeem myself.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 28, 2015, 06:33:11 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.
 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: gkrieg13 on September 28, 2015, 06:34:40 pm
/in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: faust on September 28, 2015, 06:35:30 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: faust on September 28, 2015, 06:36:48 pm
The setup states there would be one VT less than in the original setup, but actually the original setup has 2 VTs more than this version.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 28, 2015, 06:37:05 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
That link is not opening for me, but I guess I can keep refreshing it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 06:38:37 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page is a good start.

This game actually uses pretty simple roles. The switch mechanic is unique and potentially complex, but in terms of roles, the game is simple.

Cop: Each night, PMs the moderator a player name. If the player is town, they receive "Town". If the player is SK or mafia, they receive "Not town" (unless the SK chose cop immunity pre-game). If the cop were roleblocked by the switches, they receive "No result".

Doctor: Each night, PMs the moderator a player name. If that player is targeted by a night kill (Mafia, SK, or Vigilante), they do not die.

Vigilante: Each night, PMs the moderator a player name. That player is killed.

Note that all of these roles aren't compulsory, so the player can choose to take no action.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 06:39:25 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
That link is not opening for me, but I guess I can keep refreshing it.

Oops, fixed
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 06:40:17 pm
The setup states there would be one VT less than in the original setup, but actually the original setup has 2 VTs more than this version.

Oh, weird. I was going off of Switch mafia 1, which had 13 players, but the mafiascum article does have 14 players. Let me think about what's most balanced.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Haddock on September 28, 2015, 06:40:55 pm
If people dont mind another newbie joining, I can /in.
Been reading many of the recent games so hopefully wont be godawful.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 28, 2015, 06:43:27 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
That link is not opening for me, but I guess I can keep refreshing it.

Oops, fixed
Yeah, it looks like a lot of fun. What is a factorial kill? Can the Cop Switch kill someone if they are not switching the cop off?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: scott_pilgrim on September 28, 2015, 06:45:53 pm
/tag
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 06:51:35 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
That link is not opening for me, but I guess I can keep refreshing it.

Oops, fixed
Yeah, it looks like a lot of fun. What is a factorial kill? Can the Cop Switch kill someone if they are not switching the cop off?

Each night, the mafia has a factional kill. Any of the mafia members can choose a player to die. Any of the members can perform this kill, but that player cannot operate their switch if they perform the kill.

The Serial Killer also has a "factional" kill, which operates similarly to the mafia kill. He can use his kill and also operate switches, however.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on September 28, 2015, 06:53:30 pm
/in, but I have never played before.

Welcome! Definitely feel free to ask if you have any questions during the game.
I've played Mafia before, but it was with a god awful group. I have also played Wereweolves of Miller's Hallow, so I might be okay. Could you direct me to a place that would show me what the roles do though?
Thanks.

The link in the setup description leads to a page with role descriptions for all roles in the game.
That link is not opening for me, but I guess I can keep refreshing it.

Oops, fixed
Yeah, it looks like a lot of fun. What is a factorial kill? Can the Cop Switch kill someone if they are not switching the cop off?

Each night, the mafia has a factional kill. Any of the mafia members can choose a player to die. Any of the members can perform this kill, but that player cannot operate their switch if they perform the kill.

The Serial Killer also has a "factional" kill, which operates similarly to the mafia kill. He can use his kill and also operate switches, however.
Oh, boy. For the sake of either side winning, I hope I end up as a Vanilla Townie.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2015, 06:56:17 pm
Factorial kills are rough :(

Alternatively, kill!  Depending in which direction you want to take this.  It's like a choose your own adventure.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Awaclus on September 28, 2015, 07:06:10 pm
I guess I'll /in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: silverspawn on September 28, 2015, 07:36:29 pm
this is fill/ing rather fast
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 07:49:00 pm
I think 13 is more balanced than 12, especially given there's a potential 3 NKs a night. Going to switch this from 12 to 13 players unless anyone vehemently protests, but I think it's the most balanced.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: yuma on September 28, 2015, 08:12:07 pm
I really want to play but at the same time need to stay committed to the one game policy I currently have in place. So if I am dead in the other game i am in I would absolutely love to play. if not then feel free to give my spot up.

Didn't realize the game would be opening/starting so soon!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 28, 2015, 08:45:38 pm
It may be awhile, we still have one game in queue in front of us
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Hydrad on September 29, 2015, 02:36:09 am
/in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on September 29, 2015, 02:24:32 pm
Well this looks intriguing  8)
I'll /in.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: pacovf on September 29, 2015, 02:37:51 pm
Well this looks intriguing  8)

what have you done with IG  :'(
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 12:25:22 am
Assuming this doesn't start until GOP mafia is a (game) day or so in, then
/in.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: yuma on September 30, 2015, 04:18:46 pm
TA thinks this will start during Day2 of faust's game, so I'll /in I think the other game I am in will either be at a point where I am dead or has less of a posting volume.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 02, 2015, 03:48:30 pm
If someone wants to play right now, you should signup for GOP mafia! this will start afterwards.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: chairs on October 05, 2015, 03:09:16 pm
/in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups open!)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 05, 2015, 04:05:11 pm
OK, that's 13. Still need to wait for GOP mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 05, 2015, 11:09:04 pm
We'll open once GOP mafia goes into N1.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: skip wooznum on October 09, 2015, 12:17:10 am
/tag
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: faust on October 12, 2015, 03:10:47 pm
Where is my PM?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: faust on October 12, 2015, 03:11:17 pm
I guess technically GOP isn't in N1. Okay, I'll wait another 10 hours.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 12, 2015, 05:10:05 pm
Sending out PMs tonight.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Signups full! Opening when GOP Mafia goes into N1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 12, 2015, 05:14:39 pm
Going to need a replacement for UoS before this starts. Let me know if you're interested in taking that spot.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Awaclus on October 12, 2015, 05:17:40 pm
I was going to say I could replace him, then I realized that I was already in.  :-\
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Haddock on October 13, 2015, 03:33:54 pm
Is it just the UoS replacement holding us up?  Sad face.  C'mon, people, roll up!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 13, 2015, 03:40:19 pm
Yup, need one more before PMs are out
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 13, 2015, 04:08:19 pm
I will Hydra!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 13, 2015, 04:08:35 pm
Or, reverse Hydra.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: faust on October 13, 2015, 04:14:54 pm
I will Hydra!

But Hydrad is already in the game...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: faust on October 13, 2015, 04:15:29 pm
You could say, someone has already Hydra'd.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 13, 2015, 06:19:08 pm
/in
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 13, 2015, 06:22:11 pm
FYI, I intend to make a bigger effort to keep up than I often do; don't take it as a scum tell!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 13, 2015, 06:25:58 pm
FYI, I intend to make a bigger effort to keep up than I often do; don't take it as a scum tell!
Asking people to not find you scummy = classic scum tell.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Need 1 more, Starting ASAP)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 13, 2015, 06:26:21 pm
FYI, I intend to make a bigger effort to keep up than I often do; don't take it as a scum tell!
Asking people to not find you scummy = classic scum tell.

Dang, you got me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (PMs going out, starting 10/14)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 13, 2015, 06:27:17 pm
Yay Jimmmmm!

Thread Locked. PMs going out within the next hour.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (PMs going out, starting 10/14)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 13, 2015, 06:43:16 pm
PMs have been sent. Please confirm. We'll start 10/14 at 7 PM forum time if all confirmations are in.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (N0, Starting 10/14)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 13, 2015, 06:53:25 pm
'Thread has been locked.' I guess that means this won't even go through?

If it does, what is forum time?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (N0, Starting 10/14)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 13, 2015, 06:57:55 pm
'Thread has been locked.' I guess that means this won't even go through?

If it does, what is forum time?

That means no posting whatsoever. You can post, but you are never allowed to. Please PM the moderators when thread is locked. Consider this a warning for everyone.

Forum time is Eastern US time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 - D1 Begins!
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 14, 2015, 07:09:23 pm
D1 Begins!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (13): Witherweaver, Faust, Roadrunner7671, Ashersky, gkrieg13, Haddock, Awaclus, Silverspawn, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Yuma, Chairs

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 starts now and ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time. (extended by 1 day to be a day after GOP's deadline)

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (N0, Starting 10/14)
Post by: Haddock on October 14, 2015, 07:10:01 pm
Huzzah!

....aaaannnnndddd I'm going to bed.  See you all in 8 hours or so.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 14, 2015, 07:19:29 pm
I'm in a game again! Weee!

Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.

Vote: Roadrunner
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 14, 2015, 07:31:43 pm
vote: Faust for sleeping.  Lurking is scummy!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 14, 2015, 08:18:42 pm
I'm in a game again! Weee!

Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.

Vote: Roadrunner
What? What are you basing that upon?

Vote: faust
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 14, 2015, 08:28:46 pm
I'm in a game again! Weee!

Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.

Vote: Roadrunner
What? What are you basing that upon?

Vote: faust

It's RVS (random voting stage). 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 14, 2015, 08:39:50 pm
Vote: IG

woo game time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 14, 2015, 08:42:05 pm
Woo.

Can I propose we don't talk about the switches, so scum have less chance of coordinating?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 14, 2015, 10:07:14 pm
Oh yeah!

So what'd I miss while I was away? I'm not familiar with roadrunner or haddock I don't think...Good to see some fresh faces though!

Also my life = Chemistry right now. I have a fair amount of time on the weekends but normally won't be able to post almost anything on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 14, 2015, 10:13:09 pm
Woo.

Can I propose we don't talk about the switches, so scum have less chance of coordinating?
I'm fine with that, but I'm not the strongest in the theories.

And how about a vote: faust for impersonating silverspawn.
I'm in a game again! Weee!

did anyone miss me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 14, 2015, 10:32:37 pm
vote: IG for not going to bed like the rest of us.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 14, 2015, 10:33:25 pm
But it's only 7:30. Please can I stay up?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 14, 2015, 11:36:06 pm
But it's only 7:30. Please can I stay up?
Never. I'm a senior in biochemistry right now so I understand your pain.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 14, 2015, 11:50:12 pm
elo. as I noted in VLA I am semi-VLA

two new players: haddock and roadrunner, could you both state your time zone if you are comfortable with that. It just helps to know when to approximately expect you to be online (if you are Europe or Australia or something your posting patterns will be pretty different from US... or if you are nocturnal).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 01:25:17 am
Woot.

Obligatory I am a mason post.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 03:12:07 am
Vote: silverspawn, he's obviously scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 04:00:22 am
Vote: silverspawn, he's obviously scum.

I like it!

vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 04:01:42 am
Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 04:03:19 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 04:04:12 am
hi everyone

did anyone miss me?

I did! vote: IG
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 04:06:54 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 05:02:03 am
two new players: haddock and roadrunner, could you both state your time zone if you are comfortable with that. It just helps to know when to approximately expect you to be online (if you are Europe or Australia or something your posting patterns will be pretty different from US... or if you are nocturnal).
Sure.  I'm GMT, but something of a night owl, meaning that most of my posts will probably be mid/late-afternoon forum-time.

vote: Faust for sleeping.  Lurking is scummy!
:O Inconsistent, I did the same and you didn't vote for me! Scummmmmm!

On a note no more serious than that, I have a mild hangover this morning, so vote: IG for having a name with alcohol in it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 05:12:57 am
I'm in a game again! Weee!

Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.

Vote: Roadrunner
What? What are you basing that upon?

Vote: faust

I hacked into your account and read your role PM.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 15, 2015, 05:14:13 am
Vote: faust

I feel like your enjoying yourself to much. I don't like that. I want you to suffer more.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 05:15:13 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

Agreed.

Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 05:18:38 am
Vote: faust

I feel like your enjoying yourself to much. I don't like that. I want you to suffer more.

I can suffer if you like. I'm quite good at suffering.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 05:28:36 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 05:32:19 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

You having "told everyone not to talk" about anything is a great reason to talk about it, given you are likely to be scum.

You even made a "just in case I'm scum I'm announcing a meta change pre-game" post.

Also, talking about the setup helps us get out of RVS, which is stupid.  I'm also the only player here that's ever played the setup, and as scum no less, so maybe what I have to say is relevant.  And most relevant is: the switches are poop.


TLDR: Basically, I don't care what you said.  I don't take orders from you.  Switches = poop.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 05:33:37 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

Agreed.

Vote: ashersky

No, you don't really agree.  You are being facetious.

What did scum learn from me pointing out that the switches are poop?  That I think they're power is poopy?  OH NOES!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 05:49:03 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Calling it now, the scum team is IG, faust, ashersky. And silverspawn.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 06:19:58 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Calling it now, the scum team is IG, faust, ashersky. And silverspawn.

1.  I'm never scum.
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.
3.  IG/faust/SS is possible.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 06:24:34 am
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.

No it's not. Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 07:15:15 am
interesting.

vote: IG
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 07:23:46 am

Calling it now, the scum team is IG, faust, ashersky. And silverspawn.
I honestly don't know if you're joking.  I assume you are, but nonetheless, all you have done here is name the 4 people who had been voted for at all at that point.  And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.  Seems a bit suspicious, you're just pushing the "wagons" without any reasoning.  Same is true of Ashersky of course, naming IG/Faust/SS as possible.  But you started it.  vote:Awaclus

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 07:27:52 am
I actually do find ashersky's post scummy though, for reasons which I can't explain but should be apparent.

vote: ashersky

@Haddock: you should leave a whitespace in between the colon and the first letter. will probably count anyway, but it might not.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 07:28:06 am
and I should bold them

vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 07:33:26 am
I actually do find ashersky's post scummy though, for reasons which I can't explain but should be apparent.

vote: ashersky

@Haddock: you should leave a whitespace in between the colon and the first letter. will probably count anyway, but it might not.
Thanks. vote: Awaclus

Which specific ash post do you find scummy? There have been many.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 07:35:55 am
Then again you don't want to explain, so if pointing out specific posts is too much like explaining, dont worry, ill figure out what you mean hopefully.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 07:43:20 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:47:25 am

Calling it now, the scum team is IG, faust, ashersky. And silverspawn.
I honestly don't know if you're joking.  I assume you are, but nonetheless, all you have done here is name the 4 people who had been voted for at all at that point.  And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.  Seems a bit suspicious, you're just pushing the "wagons" without any reasoning.  Same is true of Ashersky of course, naming IG/Faust/SS as possible.  But you started it.  vote:Awaclus

I did not name the 4 people who had been voted for, I named the person I was quoting and the two people he mentioned in the post I was quoting. And silverspawn, because he was scum in Futuramafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 07:50:08 am
Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.

No the switches were meaningless because we lynched galz, the sk, day1 on a derphammer by me and I barely survived getting lynched on day2 for it... So the mafia just permanently left the switches in their favor and all prs were useless, or something like that...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:50:54 am
Seems a bit suspicious, you're just pushing the "wagons" without any reasoning.

Also, I used reasoning.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 08:11:46 am
Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.

No the switches were meaningless because we lynched galz, the sk, day1 on a derphammer by me and I barely survived getting lynched on day2 for it... So the mafia just permanently left the switches in their favor and all prs were useless, or something like that...

Hey look, someone else talking about the switches, and being generally useful.

Boo Jimmmmm.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 08:12:24 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 08:13:45 am
And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.

To be fair, Jimmmmm is voting me because I didn't listen to his totalitarian instructions.  That's not "random/jokey" at all.

Faust is just sheeping Jimmmmm, which isn't "random/jokey" in that Faust could easily be partners with Jimmmmm.

SS's reasons I just posted, and are not random or jokey.

Who else voted me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 08:14:32 am
And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.

To be fair, Jimmmmm is voting me because I didn't listen to his totalitarian instructions.  That's not "random/jokey" at all.

Faust is just sheeping Jimmmmm, which isn't "random/jokey" in that Faust could easily be partners with Jimmmmm.

SS's reasons I just posted, and are not random or jokey.

Who else voted me?

I voted you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 08:17:20 am
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.

No it's not. Vote: ashersky

Ah, yes.  We just disagree, I guess.

I think I'd have the backing of every player on f.ds when I say that you are generally abrasive, combative, and functionally ignore all modicum of respect for your fellow posters when you post (but in a good way).

The post I said was out of character for you was rational, thoughtful, and respectful.  Ergo, it was striking to me because it didn't sound like you at all.  I'd say the possibility that someone hacked your account and was posting in your place could not be ignored.

You're still not you, btw.  Not sure what happened.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 08:18:16 am
Also, I used reasoning.
Ok, so it looked to me like:
-Ash makes jokey comment.
-You make a joke back, which just happens to mention the current votes as potential scum.

Which looked dodgy. But you're now saying that step two was a genuine piece of reasoning by you.  In which case, fair enough, I guess. Even if im not really sure I agree with the reasoning.  In any case your response is good enough for me for now. unvote.

PPE. I dont get it, Ash and Jimm, you both seem to be saying the same thing Re the switches, namely "we cant do anything about them so why worry?" which is also my viewpoint.
PPE again. Ok but only awa could be claimed to have maybe legitimate reasons (see above). I mean you could be scum, but lets face it right now verything is basically RVS still.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 08:18:58 am
Typing on a tablet is SLOOOOWWWWW.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 08:21:37 am
Also, I used reasoning.
Ok, so it looked to me like:
-Ash makes jokey comment.
-You make a joke back, which just happens to mention the current votes as potential scum.

Which looked dodgy. But you're now saying that step two was a genuine piece of reasoning by you.  In which case, fair enough, I guess. Even if im not really sure I agree with the reasoning.  In any case your response is good enough for me for now. unvote.

PPE. I dont get it, Ash and Jimm, you both seem to be saying the same thing Re the switches, namely "we cant do anything about them so why worry?" which is also my viewpoint.
PPE again. Ok but only awa could be claimed to have maybe legitimate reasons (see above). I mean you could be scum, but lets face it right now verything is basically RVS still.

Well, I can see how it would look like a joke, since I also made the "silverspawn is always scum because of Futuramafia" joke in the same post, but I did think that ash's comment about IG and faust was worth noting and then the way he responded to that made me actually want to vote for him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 08:24:52 am
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.

No it's not. Vote: ashersky

Ah, yes.  We just disagree, I guess.

I think I'd have the backing of every player on f.ds when I say that you are generally abrasive, combative, and functionally ignore all modicum of respect for your fellow posters when you post (but in a good way).

The post I said was out of character for you was rational, thoughtful, and respectful.  Ergo, it was striking to me because it didn't sound like you at all.  I'd say the possibility that someone hacked your account and was posting in your place could not be ignored.

You're still not you, btw.  Not sure what happened.

It was exactly like the posts I usually make. Perhaps it felt more rational to you because this time you know it's true.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:03:09 am
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.

No it's not. Vote: ashersky

Ah, yes.  We just disagree, I guess.

I think I'd have the backing of every player on f.ds when I say that you are generally abrasive, combative, and functionally ignore all modicum of respect for your fellow posters when you post (but in a good way).

The post I said was out of character for you was rational, thoughtful, and respectful.  Ergo, it was striking to me because it didn't sound like you at all.  I'd say the possibility that someone hacked your account and was posting in your place could not be ignored.

You're still not you, btw.  Not sure what happened.

It was exactly like the posts I usually make. Perhaps it felt more rational to you because this time you know it's true.

Tone was rational, not the thought.

You know, like when a crazy person says something completely insane but completely believes it?  Like that.

Basically, I just imagine you are Heath Ledger's Joker all the time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:03:38 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

The first rule of switch club is you don't talk about switch club.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:04:30 am
WW!  You are in this game?

Are you scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:06:19 am
Also, side point, how did Haddock miss Fish Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11989.0)???
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:07:12 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:08:11 am

Calling it now, the scum team is IG, faust, ashersky. And silverspawn.
I honestly don't know if you're joking.  I assume you are, but nonetheless, all you have done here is name the 4 people who had been voted for at all at that point.  And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.  Seems a bit suspicious, you're just pushing the "wagons" without any reasoning.  Same is true of Ashersky of course, naming IG/Faust/SS as possible.  But you started it.  vote:Awaclus

This strikes me as not scummy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:08:33 am
I actually do find ashersky's post scummy though, for reasons which I can't explain but should be apparent.

Brilliant!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:09:46 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:10:32 am
2.  This post is way, way, way off tone for you, Awaclus.

No it's not. Vote: ashersky

Ah, yes.  We just disagree, I guess.

I think I'd have the backing of every player on f.ds when I say that you are generally abrasive, combative, and functionally ignore all modicum of respect for your fellow posters when you post (but in a good way).

The post I said was out of character for you was rational, thoughtful, and respectful.  Ergo, it was striking to me because it didn't sound like you at all.  I'd say the possibility that someone hacked your account and was posting in your place could not be ignored.

You're still not you, btw.  Not sure what happened.

You could have said the opposite and gotten the same response. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:11:16 am
Also, I used reasoning.
Ok, so it looked to me like:
-Ash makes jokey comment.
-You make a joke back, which just happens to mention the current votes as potential scum.

Which looked dodgy. But you're now saying that step two was a genuine piece of reasoning by you.  In which case, fair enough, I guess. Even if im not really sure I agree with the reasoning.  In any case your response is good enough for me for now. unvote.

PPE. I dont get it, Ash and Jimm, you both seem to be saying the same thing Re the switches, namely "we cant do anything about them so why worry?" which is also my viewpoint.
PPE again. Ok but only awa could be claimed to have maybe legitimate reasons (see above). I mean you could be scum, but lets face it right now verything is basically RVS still.

Everything is not RVS.  \Teprocoff
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:11:41 am
WW!  You are in this game?

Are you scum?

I am not.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:12:12 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

What's funny is I posted this before I read Silverspawn's.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:14:47 am
Why does talking about switches matter at all?  It sounds like we have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 09:19:28 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

What's funny is I posted this before I read Silverspawn's.

When I first read it, I thought you were making fun of silver.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:19:53 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:20:10 am
Why does talking about switches matter at all?  It sounds like we have nothing to do with it.

I'm glad you agree with me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:20:15 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

What's funny is I posted this before I read Silverspawn's.

When I first read it, I thought you were making fun of silver.

I'm just so clever I'm precognitive. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:20:38 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.

Cool, I never have a plan, so I'm always an IC.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:20:54 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

Probably jealousy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:21:12 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.

Cool, I never have a plan, so I'm always an IC.

Pretty sure that makes us Masons.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:21:18 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

Probably jealousy.

Do you think it'd be alright if I just crashed here tonight?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 09:21:35 am
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

Plans are necessarily scummy because we don't know the planner's alignment, remember?

Correct.  And I have no plan, therefore I'm an IC.

Cool, I never have a plan, so I'm always an IC.

Pretty sure that makes us Masons.

Pretty sure our PM made us Masons.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 09:22:36 am
It's also trivial to figure out what's optimal as far as switches go from a theory standpoint, so unless scum don't think things through, we already know what they'll do.

But, I mean, regardless of the existence of a doctor switch, for example, why wouldn't the doctor target someone anyway?  That's what I mean by the switches are poop.

Vote: ashersky

I already told everyone not to talk about the switches. Explaining why they're trivial is talking about them.

You having "told everyone not to talk" about anything is a great reason to talk about it, given you are likely to be scum.

No, it's not.

Quote
You even made a "just in case I'm scum I'm announcing a meta change pre-game" post.

What's your point?

Quote
Also, talking about the setup helps us get out of RVS, which is stupid.  I'm also the only player here that's ever played the setup, and as scum no less, so maybe what I have to say is relevant.  And most relevant is: the switches are poop.

I agree that talking about the setup helps get us out of RVS, so it's unfortunate that talking about the setup is pro-scum.

Quote
TLDR: Basically, I don't care what you said.  I don't take orders from you.  Switches = poop.

I wasn't saying you should have done what I said. I'm saying we were basically saying the same thing (don't worry about switches), but at the same time you were worrying about switches.

PPE 37 (I went away and came back to this post.)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 09:25:11 am
Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.

No the switches were meaningless because we lynched galz, the sk, day1 on a derphammer by me and I barely survived getting lynched on day2 for it... So the mafia just permanently left the switches in their favor and all prs were useless, or something like that...

Hey look, someone else talking about the switches, and being generally useful.

Boo Jimmmmm.

How does it help us lynch scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 09:26:14 am
And they have all been voted for on the back of just Random/jokey reasons.

To be fair, Jimmmmm is voting me because I didn't listen to his totalitarian instructions.  That's not "random/jokey" at all.

This is false.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:33:41 am
I wasn't saying you should have done what I said. I'm saying we were basically saying the same thing (don't worry about switches), but at the same time you were worrying about switches.

This wasn't my takeaway from your post and our conversation.  So that's a misunderstanding on my part, I guess.  I thought you were saying "shhh...don't take about the setup or bad things will happen..."

If you had said "don't worry about the switches" that would have been super clear and great and easy.  Because, as noted, the switches are basically poop.

So, if we're in agreement, I rescind my other stuff about you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:34:07 am
Pretty sure our PM made us Masons.

Fakeclaiming masons, I see.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 09:34:58 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.

Vote: Ashersky for some reason I can't explain.

Probably jealousy.

Do you think it'd be alright if I just crashed here tonight?

Also +9001 for a Gin Blossoms reference.  One of the most underrated bands of the 90s.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 - D1 Begins!
Post by: pacovf on October 15, 2015, 10:06:02 am
Vote Count 1.1

Faust (4): Gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad
Ichimaru Gin (1): chairs
silverspawn (1): ashersky
ashersky (5): Jimmmmm, Faust, Awaclus, silverspawn, Witherweaver

Not Voting (2): Haddock, Yuma

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.


I wish I could edit posts!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 10:07:39 am
The ash wagon is actually bad.

Vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 10:12:15 am
I do now understand, I think, the reason why people find Ash scummy. But I'm not convinced yet, and that was a fairly big wagon for so early.
So imma sheep faust for now, cos from the games I've read that seems to be how to win games.  :P vote: ss
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 10:15:39 am
The ash wagon is actually bad.

Vote: silverspawn

Fair enough.

Vote: Faust
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 10:21:44 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 10:22:47 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 10:23:15 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?

Seconded.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 15, 2015, 10:32:12 am
I do now understand, I think, the reason why people find Ash scummy. But I'm not convinced yet, and that was a fairly big wagon for so early.
So imma sheep faust for now, cos from the games I've read that seems to be how to win games.  :P vote: ss

sheeping faust is one of my favorite strats.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 10:34:48 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 15, 2015, 10:50:36 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Well now I have a reason.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 10:53:59 am
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Who do we have a good reason to vote for?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 10:59:19 am
Ok great. As long as you have a reason, go for it.

Care to share that reason, or not? I'd be genuinely interested.

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Who do we have a good reason to vote for?
We dont necessarily,  right now. But we might do later. Im just trying to stop us getting carried away too early, weve still got time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 15, 2015, 11:11:05 am
You're weird defending of him.  Especially without defending ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 15, 2015, 11:35:59 am
I can't wait for the obligatory IG vs. faust fight.

When you two are scum together, it'll be neat to see if you can fake it.
But we were scum together in...I think flavorless? We were doing pretty solid up until the end too iirc.

did anyone miss me?

I did! vote: IG
ty.


And what else. Awaclus is Awaclus, I don't really have an opinion there yet.
Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.
I view this post as one of three possibilities.
1. New player (Is Haddock new to Mafia in general?) being concerned about something that's actually not concerning.
2. Scum defending their partner in a pretty blatant fashion.
3. Scum attempting to reinforce suspicion on someone else by trying to get votes off of them for no reason.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 15, 2015, 11:36:22 am
vote: haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 15, 2015, 12:19:03 pm
I view this post as one of three possibilities.
1. New player (Is Haddock new to Mafia in general?) being concerned about something that's actually not concerning.
2. Scum defending their partner in a pretty blatant fashion.
3. Scum attempting to reinforce suspicion on someone else by trying to get votes off of them for no reason.
Yes, this is my first ever game of forum mafia. Im not sure im concerned, as such, I just want people on faust to contribute, since they're on the biggest wagon.

I did say im not convinced by the ash thing, so yeah if that comes back ill have something to say. The difference is that the people who were on Ash were still actively contributing.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 02:09:48 pm
Also, about the setup:

yuma and I might be the only players left alive on f.ds that played this the first time it was run here (or was yuma the mod?).  I was scum there and from what I recall, the switches made zero difference.  We lost because of claims, but had a nice run with first-timer Qvist taking the first-ever MVP for a losing side.

All this to say: the switches mean poop.  PRs play like PRs play.

No the switches were meaningless because we lynched galz, the sk, day1 on a derphammer by me and I barely survived getting lynched on day2 for it... So the mafia just permanently left the switches in their favor and all prs were useless, or something like that...

Hey look, someone else talking about the switches, and being generally useful.

Boo Jimmmmm.

How does it help us lynch scum?

it might in the future. I think putting a moratorium on a certain subject isn't just a great idea. Jimmmm seems to think that if we allow talking about "switches" then scum will be able to communicate with the SK and co-ordinate switches. But that is just like.... What? Why has no one questioned this line or reasoning?

Why would mafia want to communicate with a SK? Or SK to the mafia. They aren't on the same team and at some point down the road if one knows about the other they will target and kill each other. So by all means mafia and SK can talk to each other if they want--and at the same time, hopefully the town players here would be able to possibly pick up on said communication.

Jimmmmm attempting to just shove all of that under the rug because he says it is in the best interest of the town is either misguided or scum trying to look pro-town in an easy fashion. in my experience, more talking means more finding scum because it means more opportunities for scum to say something/do something that town can pick up on immediately or at a future date to catch them.

and then using such reasoning to cast easy suspicion...

vote: Jimmmm
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 02:12:09 pm
this one (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531792#msg531792)

That's a phenomenal post, and possibly the best one in the game up to this point.

You are just salty because you don't like me, my plans, and the fact that I win regardless of your opinion.

actually, no. No on all points, even. I don't dislike you - I judge people way more based on their moral standards than on how they treat me - and the reason why the post I quoted is scummy is because there is a narrative for mafia!you to subtly nudge SK!? into thinking more about the setup. I did not want to explain this for reasons which are now obvious but you made me to. which is bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 02:14:00 pm
I deliberately avoided including you in potential RVS, but I can't not vote for you if you're my biggest scum read, which you were at that point. Not that it means much, because it was super early into day 1.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 02:21:01 pm
The ash wagon is actually bad.

Vote: silverspawn

read ash's post again and then think some more about it - I think there's about a 46% chance that you will realize the strong scum narrative that it has in combination with the lack of a town narrative.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 02:48:28 pm
it might in the future. I think putting a moratorium on a certain subject isn't just a great idea. Jimmmm seems to think that if we allow talking about "switches" then scum will be able to communicate with the SK and co-ordinate switches. But that is just like.... What? Why has no one questioned this line or reasoning?

Why would mafia want to communicate with a SK? Or SK to the mafia. They aren't on the same team and at some point down the road if one knows about the other they will target and kill each other. So by all means mafia and SK can talk to each other if they want--and at the same time, hopefully the town players here would be able to possibly pick up on said communication.

Jimmmmm attempting to just shove all of that under the rug because he says it is in the best interest of the town is either misguided or scum trying to look pro-town in an easy fashion. in my experience, more talking means more finding scum because it means more opportunities for scum to say something/do something that town can pick up on immediately or at a future date to catch them.

and then using such reasoning to cast easy suspicion...

vote: Jimmmm

Well, with some parts I can agree.

The SK and the mafia probably don't want to communicate. But if we were to talk about Switch tactics and reach a universally accepted best tactic, then both mafia and SK can act according to that.

More to the point though, talking about Switches does nothing for us. They do not influence town's decision making in the slightest.

I agree that it's convenient to cast suspicion on that basis though.

Me agreeing with you usually means you're scum though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 15, 2015, 02:53:27 pm
Is the forum loading really slow for anyone else?

My trying to quote stuff basically results in a time out.
I'll be back from class in a few hours. Maybe it'll be better then.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 03:02:42 pm
Forum is slow for me too.

I think I see your point, silver. At least I see something, but it doesn't quite convince me. It makes me want to not vote you though.

So vote: Roadrunner for coming here, OMGUSing, and disappearing.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:16:06 pm
The SK and the mafia probably don't want to communicate. But if we were to talk about Switch tactics and reach a universally accepted best tactic, then both mafia and SK can act according to that.

More to the point though, talking about Switches does nothing for us. They do not influence town's decision making in the slightest.

Sure. But no one was doing that. No one was saying "Optimal strategy for mafia would be X. Here you go mafia, freebee on me!" No one would do that. It doesn't even need to be stated.

If mafia wants to try and subtly try and communicate with the SK I say let them as I said above. At the worst they can barely understand each other, kinda work with each other for a day 1/2 and then kill each other off. At best town realizes there is some communication going on and lynches them.

but to put a hard fast rule against all communication not only prevents what wasn't ever going to happen in the first place, but also prevents what could have happened in town noticing some subtitles of mafia communicating. It prevented a potential scum hunting opportunity in exchange for Jimmmmm looking good. The only person who benefited from that post was Jimmmmm.

And, yeah forum is slow.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 03:24:55 pm

See, the idea why it was bad was that SK might have messed up and done something stupid. With everything that happened, now that's impossible. At this point, we might aswell talk about it. Still not good idea, because there is nothing to talk about for town, but the damage has already been done beyond cluttering up the thread.

It would not have happened had everyone listened to Jimmmm immediately, and therefore everyone who didn't is scummy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 03:25:36 pm
vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:25:44 pm
I do now understand, I think, the reason why people find Ash scummy. But I'm not convinced yet, and that was a fairly big wagon for so early.
So imma sheep faust for now, cos from the games I've read that seems to be how to win games.  :P vote: ss

sheeping faust is one of my favorite strats.

we should start making it a stat included in the f.ds statistics!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 03:26:37 pm
but to put a hard fast rule against all communication not only prevents what wasn't ever going to happen in the first place, but also prevents what could have happened in town noticing some subtitles of mafia communicating. It prevented a potential scum hunting opportunity in exchange for Jimmmmm looking good. The only person who benefited from that post was Jimmmmm.

You made so much more sense in fanfiction mafia
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:29:11 pm

See, the idea why it was bad was that SK might have messed up and done something stupid. With everything that happened, now that's impossible. At this point, we might aswell talk about it. Still not good idea, because there is nothing to talk about for town, but the damage has already been done beyond cluttering up the thread.

It would not have happened had everyone listened to Jimmmm immediately, and therefore everyone who didn't is scummy.

I don't follow... I feel like you are saying that based off the communication so far the SK would now have been able to infer an optimal play strategy that they might not have previously been able to do? I don't follow where that could come from... I don't see any post that said or even alluded to "this play strategy is better"

You are basically saying "the chance that mafia/SK might learn how to play better from us just discussing whether we should discuss this is worth a trade off for scum hunting opportunities"

that is like saying hoping osmosis would fulfill the need to drink water.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:30:14 pm
but to put a hard fast rule against all communication not only prevents what wasn't ever going to happen in the first place, but also prevents what could have happened in town noticing some subtitles of mafia communicating. It prevented a potential scum hunting opportunity in exchange for Jimmmmm looking good. The only person who benefited from that post was Jimmmmm.

You made so much more sense in fanfiction mafia

I am making sense! Scum hunting opportunities are worth trading for any intangible and unlikely benefit the SK/Mafia might incur from obtaining those opportunities--plus the chance that SK and mafia will just kill themselves off for us.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 03:43:53 pm
Forum is slow for me too.

I think I see your point, silver. At least I see something, but it doesn't quite convince me. It makes me want to not vote you though.

So vote: Roadrunner for coming here, OMGUSing, and disappearing.
Disappearing? And OMGUSing you? You've still earned my vote, buddy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 03:48:47 pm
You are basically saying "the chance that mafia/SK might learn how to play better from us just discussing whether we should discuss this is worth a trade off for scum hunting opportunities"

yes and indeed. the former has the potential to prevent massive advantages, whereas the former is hardly worth anything, since we can probably get scum reads more effectively by talking about other things.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
*the latter
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 03:49:39 pm
Forum is slow for me too.

I think I see your point, silver. At least I see something, but it doesn't quite convince me. It makes me want to not vote you though.

So vote: Roadrunner for coming here, OMGUSing, and disappearing.
Disappearing? And OMGUSing you? You've still earned my vote, buddy.

How did he earn it?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:51:46 pm
You are basically saying "the chance that mafia/SK might learn how to play better from us just discussing whether we should discuss this is worth a trade off for scum hunting opportunities"

yes and indeed. the former has the potential to prevent massive advantages, whereas the former is hardly worth anything, since we can probably get scum reads more effectively by talking about other things.

I completely disagree. You really think someone got massive advantages from what we just talked about above. yes someone, like you, could theoretically spell out the perfect play for mafia/SK in this scenario, but no one was ever going to do that. And yeah, we will now scum hunt using other methods and that is fine, but it was a missed opportunity to see if someone would do something (try and communicate with SK or slightly manipulate how switches would work) that we could have used either immediately or later after getting some flips. now that opportunity is lost because any scum that thought "maybe I could try this" is know aware that we are on high alert and will be voted for just saying the word switch
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:51:58 pm
switch
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:52:07 pm
switch
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:52:14 pm
switch
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 03:53:01 pm
switch, switch, switch, switch, switchvote: jimmm

probably only ash will get this joke.... I miss a lot of people...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2015, 04:03:14 pm
I literally called the switches poop like twenty times.

Silver spawn freaking out about that is contrived.

vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 04:08:13 pm
I LIKE WHAT YOU GOT

Vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 04:11:52 pm
Forum is slow for me too.

I think I see your point, silver. At least I see something, but it doesn't quite convince me. It makes me want to not vote you though.

So vote: Roadrunner for coming here, OMGUSing, and disappearing.
Disappearing? And OMGUSing you? You've still earned my vote, buddy.

How did he earn it?
With his tongue
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 04:12:08 pm
...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 04:30:59 pm
...
His sharp tongue, as in a figure or speech.

That's what people want to hear
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 04:49:54 pm
meh I believe that your reasoning is genuine, even if you are wrong.

unvote
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 05:09:42 pm
switch

switch

switch

Obvscum. Vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 05:10:17 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 05:22:02 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 15, 2015, 05:31:15 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?

how are they similar? the one is good and the other one, well, is a faust wagon.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 05:35:57 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?

Well it's true that literally none of the 4 faust votes had any substance. I'd say the concern is still definitely worth noting though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 05:36:45 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?

Well it's true that literally none of the 4 faust votes had any substance. I'd say the concern is still definitely worth noting though.

I don't think the Ash votes had a whole lot of substance. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 05:37:37 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?

Well it's true that literally none of the 4 faust votes had any substance. I'd say the concern is still definitely worth noting though.

I don't think the Ash votes had a whole lot of substance.

My ash vote does.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 05:40:43 pm
Seriously though. Vote: Haddock

What do you think about his different treatment of the (otherwise fairly similar) Faust and Ashersky wagons?

Well it's true that literally none of the 4 faust votes had any substance. I'd say the concern is still definitely worth noting though.

I don't think the Ash votes had a whole lot of substance.

Well that's subjective. The faust votes were over sleeping, OMGUS, impersonating ss and enjoying himself.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 05:44:47 pm
The faust votes were over sleeping

First day on the job, you know what I learned? How to spot a murderer. Let's say you arrest three guys for the same killing. You put them all in jail overnight. The next morning, whoever's sleeping is your man. You see, if you're guilty, you know you're caught, you get some rest, you let your guard down.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 05:47:02 pm
The faust votes were over sleeping

First day on the job, you know what I learned? How to spot a murderer. Let's say you arrest three guys for the same killing. You put them all in jail overnight. The next morning, whoever's sleeping is your man. You see, if you're guilty, you know you're caught, you get some rest, you let your guard down.

But the scum haven't even murdered anyone yet!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 05:48:07 pm
I literally called the switches poop like twenty times.

Silver spawn freaking out about that is contrived.

vote: silverspawn

I don't think silver is freaking out. I don't think this is a good vote.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 06:00:50 pm
Reads time!

Witherweaver - definitely town because he said so (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531854#msg531854).
Roadrunner7671 - only empty posts. Not posting for a while, but suddenly around when called out on it. Scummy.
Ashersky - a little less reasonable-, kinda in-the-background-ash from fanfiction and a little more usual ash who doesn't care what other people think. Slight town.
gkrieg13 - has gkrieg done anything yet? Null.
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.
Awaclus - I can't read that guy anyway. Null.
Silverspawn - what he does feels genuine. Town.
Hydrad - Null. Did not have a Hydrad moment yet.
Ichimaru Gin - null. Not enough information so far.
Jimmmmm - yuma has a point. Slight scum.
Yuma - not sure yet. Null.
Chairs - also null.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 06:02:29 pm
Hydrad - Null. Did not have a Hydrad moment yet.

Remind me what a Hydrad moment is?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 06:05:02 pm
Hydrad - Null. Did not have a Hydrad moment yet.

Remind me what a Hydrad moment is?

It's a post by Hydrad that makes his alignment very clear. Happens more often for town!Hydrad than for scum!Hydrad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 07:09:59 pm
Reads time!

Witherweaver - definitely town because he said so (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531854#msg531854).
Roadrunner7671 - only empty posts. Not posting for a while, but suddenly around when called out on it. Scummy.
Ashersky - a little less reasonable-, kinda in-the-background-ash from fanfiction and a little more usual ash who doesn't care what other people think. Slight town.
gkrieg13 - has gkrieg done anything yet? Null.
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.
Awaclus - I can't read that guy anyway. Null.
Silverspawn - what he does feels genuine. Town.
Hydrad - Null. Did not have a Hydrad moment yet.
Ichimaru Gin - null. Not enough information so far.
Jimmmmm - yuma has a point. Slight scum.
Yuma - not sure yet. Null.
Chairs - also null.

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 07:10:59 pm
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.

Also this makes me want to lynch one of them.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:12:45 pm
Wow. Because I feel the need to defend my honor, I am scum all of a sudden.

What even is scum? Is that slang for mafia?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 07:13:19 pm
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.

Also this makes me want to lynch one of them.

I suggest you start with Haddock. Then, if he's scum, you can lynch me for being his partner. And if he's town, you can lynch me for pushing his mislynch. You win either way!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:13:54 pm
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.

Also this makes me want to lynch one of them.

I suggest you start with Haddock. Then, if he's scum, you can lynch me for being his partner. And if he's town, you can lynch me for pushing his mislynch. You win either way!
I second that notion, that will be two nights where I will not be lynched!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 07:14:02 pm
Wow. Because I feel the need to defend my honor, I am scum all of a sudden.

What even is scum? Is that slang for mafia?

Scum is everyone who plays against town's win condition. In this game, it would be mafia and the Serial Killer.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:14:47 pm
Wow. Because I feel the need to defend my honor, I am scum all of a sudden.

What even is scum? Is that slang for mafia?

Scum is everyone who plays against town's win condition. In this game, it would be mafia and the Serial Killer.
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:16:35 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:17:03 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
What's a claim?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 15, 2015, 07:17:56 pm
vote: roadrunner7671
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:18:35 pm
vote: roadrunner7671
Why??
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 07:20:12 pm
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.

Also this makes me want to lynch one of them.

I suggest you start with Haddock. Then, if he's scum, you can lynch me for being his partner. And if he's town, you can lynch me for pushing his mislynch. You win either way!

Sounds good!

Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 07:20:38 pm
\inbefore "Coached to play up newbieness"
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:21:40 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
What's a claim?

Claim is when you claim something. Usually it means that you tell everyone what your role is, and possibly any other information you might have acquired because of your role (which might be your actual role or something you made up; the latter case is also known as fakeclaiming).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:22:50 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
What's a claim?

Claim is when you claim something. Usually it means that you tell everyone what your role is, and possibly any other information you might have acquired because of your role (which might be your actual role or something you made up; the latter case is also known as fakeclaiming).
Ah, I see. Then I 'claim' to be a vanilla townie. Even if I am not, you all know I am a total noob. I still don't fully understand the switches, so I'd be pretty bad at being scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 07:25:36 pm
Ah, I see. Then I 'claim' to be a vanilla townie. Even if I am not, you all know I am a total noob. I still don't fully understand the switches, so I'd be pretty bad at being scum.

Well. You understand lying as town is bad, yes?

We need to lynch you now.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:29:53 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
What's a claim?

Claim is when you claim something. Usually it means that you tell everyone what your role is, and possibly any other information you might have acquired because of your role (which might be your actual role or something you made up; the latter case is also known as fakeclaiming).
Ah, I see. Then I 'claim' to be a vanilla townie. Even if I am not, you all know I am a total noob. I still don't fully understand the switches, so I'd be pretty bad at being scum.

Usually it's not a good idea to claim to be a vanilla townie out of nowhere, because if you really are a vanilla townie, scum won't kill you and then they have a better chance of killing a PR instead. Actually, it's usually not a good idea to claim most things out of nowhere.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 07:31:55 pm
Also, it doesn't matter how bad you supposedly would be as scum. If you're scum and you never get lynched because of how bad you would be as scum, then you win anyway.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 07:36:24 pm
Actually though, unvote. This does not feel fake.

So for the other newbie then? Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:47:03 pm
Or a rebellious Vanilla Townie...

Is this a claim?
What's a claim?

Claim is when you claim something. Usually it means that you tell everyone what your role is, and possibly any other information you might have acquired because of your role (which might be your actual role or something you made up; the latter case is also known as fakeclaiming).
Ah, I see. Then I 'claim' to be a vanilla townie. Even if I am not, you all know I am a total noob. I still don't fully understand the switches, so I'd be pretty bad at being scum.

Usually it's not a good idea to claim to be a vanilla townie out of nowhere, because if you really are a vanilla townie, scum won't kill you and then they have a better chance of killing a PR instead. Actually, it's usually not a good idea to claim most things out of nowhere.
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 15, 2015, 07:50:54 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 15, 2015, 07:56:34 pm
Vote Count 1.2

Faust (4): Gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad
silverspawn (2): ashersky, Haddock
ashersky (1): Awaclus
Haddock (3): Jimmmmm, Witherweaver, Faust
Jimmmmm (1): Yuma
Roadrunner7671 (1): Chairs

Not Voting (1): Silverspawn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 07:57:28 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 07:58:46 pm
Reads time!

Witherweaver - definitely town because he said so (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg531854#msg531854).
Roadrunner7671 - only empty posts. Not posting for a while, but suddenly around when called out on it. Scummy.
Ashersky - a little less reasonable-, kinda in-the-background-ash from fanfiction and a little more usual ash who doesn't care what other people think. Slight town.
gkrieg13 - has gkrieg done anything yet? Null.
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.
Awaclus - I can't read that guy anyway. Null.
Silverspawn - what he does feels genuine. Town.
Hydrad - Null. Did not have a Hydrad moment yet.
Ichimaru Gin - null. Not enough information so far.
Jimmmmm - yuma has a point. Slight scum.
Yuma - not sure yet. Null.
Chairs - also null.

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.

Totally. And way too early to have any meaning.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 08:00:24 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 08:02:22 pm
\inbefore "Coached to play up newbieness"

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 08:03:18 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.
So if you are a Vanilla Townie, it is bad to claim to be the Doctor, for example?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 08:04:06 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.
So if you are a Vanilla Townie, it is bad to claim to be the Doctor, for example?

Yes that would definitely be bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 08:04:58 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.
So if you are a Vanilla Townie, it is bad to claim to be the Doctor, for example?

Yes that would definitely be bad.
And why?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 15, 2015, 08:18:22 pm
You know what? It got someone to unvote from me. So, thank you for the advice, but I still claim to be a vanilla townie. Why would I want to get killed by scum? So that PRs can live?

Yes. Pretty much. Also by claiming VT we know that you do not have a town PR, i.e. you are either VT or scum. This makes you a better lynch target than anyone else on paper, because we can be sure not to lynch a PR.

I read you as town from this, but that doesn't make it good play. And for the record: It will never work in the future.
Why will I need to do it again? If people have reads like you, I should be safe. And how do you know I'm not a PR who is lying?

Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.
So if you are a Vanilla Townie, it is bad to claim to be the Doctor, for example?

Yes that would definitely be bad.
And why?

Imagine you were the Doctor and someone else claimed Doctor. You would know they were lying, and counterclaim them to try to get them lynched.

As well as having their powers, PRs also get to be either ICs or create a 1 Town/1 scum pair, either of which are generally good for Town. This only works if we take claims seriously as either truthful or scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 08:23:39 pm
RR did you read any of the previous games here. I am not saying you have to but I would suggest it. Probably should have suggested it earlier. A short newbie game would be ideal.

Chairs came off the worst from that whole exchange
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 15, 2015, 08:43:32 pm
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 15, 2015, 08:45:08 pm
Chairs came off the worst from that whole exchange
Yeah. Pretty much this.

I'm not a fan of votes with no (or implied) explanations. I've heard people defend them though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 09:00:43 pm
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.
I don't mean to get myself lynched, but haven't I done that more than Haddock?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 09:17:38 pm
Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.

Well, I think lying as town can be good quite often (in the same way that omitting information can be good quite often), but if you're lying about having a PR when you don't really have one, you really have to be extremely confident that the person who could counterclaim you will preferably realize what you're doing, and absolutely won't counterclaim or out himself even if he thinks you're scum, and that the gambit will surely pay off if it works (i.e. the PR you manage to protect by attracting the kill to yourself really has to be super crucial for town).

Lying about being a VT when you really are a PR is a lot more reasonable in many situations.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 15, 2015, 09:21:47 pm
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.
I don't mean to get myself lynched, but haven't I done that more than Haddock?
Oh yeah. Those two thoughts kind of ran together. I should have separated them and clarified who I was referring to. You're right.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 09:22:27 pm
Lying as Town is generally considered to be just about always bad. It's probably less bad in this setup than average since we know what PRs we have. But it's still generally not advised.

Well, I think lying as town can be good quite often (in the same way that omitting information can be good quite often), but if you're lying about having a PR when you don't really have one, you really have to be extremely confident that the person who could counterclaim you will preferably realize what you're doing, and absolutely won't counterclaim or out himself even if he thinks you're scum, and that the gambit will surely pay off if it works (i.e. the PR you manage to protect by attracting the kill to yourself really has to be super crucial for town).

Lying about being a VT when you really are a PR is a lot more reasonable in many situations.
And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 15, 2015, 09:25:35 pm
\inbefore "Coached to play up newbieness"

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

EFHW was against my lynch the first game and that was what made me vig her.  I was correct.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 15, 2015, 09:30:02 pm
definitely still feeling a Faust lynch. Although ash has been much different this game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 15, 2015, 09:35:01 pm
What does different mean?

People keep using that term but what does it even mean? Different how? Different in a scummy way?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 09:35:19 pm
Unvote: Faust
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 09:40:39 pm
And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

Depends on the situation. If you're about to get lynched, you might want to claim a PR, because then the real PR can counterclaim you and your partners will know who to shoot. If you're lucky, you might even manage to claim a PR that nobody can counterclaim, and then that might help you survive. OTOH, sometimes you might convince people of your towniness by fakeclaiming VT as scum, and VT is a pretty safe claim in mass claim situations.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 09:42:19 pm
Okay. Goodnight all, I may be back in a few hours.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 15, 2015, 09:43:44 pm
You just sleep for a few hours?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2015, 10:22:18 pm
Nah,

Vote: Faust

is where it's at.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 15, 2015, 10:56:27 pm
What does different mean?

People keep using that term but what does it even mean? Different how? Different in a scummy way?

Not really in a scummy way.  He just doesn't seem as abrasive.  Maybe that means he's town?  I was just watching him carefully when we were partners and he always had a plan.  He doesn't seem to have a concrete plan here.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 15, 2015, 11:22:29 pm
You just sleep for a few hours?
Yep
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 02:51:28 am
Unvote: Faust

vote: Roadrunner7671
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2015, 04:57:57 am
OK, lots going on since I disappeared.

Firstly, it appears my original estimate of posting mid-afternoon forum time is going to be off, at least for the next few days, my girlfriend is in town meaning my posting will mostly be happening during the day GMT, ie. early morning forum time.  Just so everyone knows.

I want to make one thing clear.  At no point did I defend Faust.  I made one post about the people voting for Faust, asking them to contribute.  Now they are, so I'd say that original post has served its purpose.

As for "playing up my newbieness", I really wouldn't say I've done that.  One person asked me whether I was totally new, and I said I am, that's it.  And if you're counting my behaviour itself as intentionally acting newbie, well, see previous paragraph. 

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2015, 04:58:29 am
When I say disappeared, by the way, I mean "went to sleep".
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 05:06:01 am
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

Hey! You are not allowed to agree with me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 05:07:05 am
And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

In this setup, probably.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 05:08:39 am
Nah,

Vote: Faust

is where it's at.

Ah. Because I'm not fausting faust enough things?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2015, 05:18:25 am
Catching up:

Witherweaver seems a bit all over the place, like he's acting torn about whether to vote for me or Faust.  I dunno, feels genuine.
Ichi seems pretty towny to me.
In the absence of a better read, I'm going to vote: chairs.  I don't like his unexplained votes.
Jimmm seems to be being quite firm about things in general.  Can people confirm that this is him usually?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:22:55 am
Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 06:25:19 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:40:03 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:45:09 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 06:50:00 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?

Your partners would have told you to do it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:51:06 am
WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 06:51:19 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?

I know I did it once, where I had a newish player and we had him play it up.  I don't know if it worked, but I rarely lose, so I'll assume it did.

I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:52:49 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?

Your partners would have told you to do it.
As fair of a point as that is, I am willing to make another claim:

I am a Vanilla Townie, aka Vanilla Villager, aka the guy who you should not lynch.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:53:15 am
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

same question to you: why?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:54:31 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?

Your partners would have told you to do it.
As fair of a point as that is, I am willing to make another claim:

I am a Vanilla Townie, aka Vanilla Villager, aka the guy who you should not lynch.

I think town who claimed VT got lynched 3 our of 4 times in f.ds history

the one time where he didn't get lynched was when I did it  :D
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:55:02 am
EBWOF: Claimed VT day 1

Though I'm not sure about this stat; it's something I recall people saying.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:56:17 am
Your case is quite different though, because you supposedly didn't know the dynamics of early claiming and why it's a super bold thing to do. You might not get lynched for it, but I still wouldn't advise doing it in future games.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 06:58:20 am
I think a vote: Hydrad is warranted until he does something that I remember.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:59:39 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?

I know I did it once, where I had a newish player and we had him play it up.  I don't know if it worked, but I rarely lose, so I'll assume it did.

I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.
Let me tell you a story. We played Mafia with a blonde, overweight, too-American Alaskan woman. This was in Turkey. The cop woke up on the night, pointed at someone, and went to sleep
 The pointing had no effect, it was purely symbolic. Many people cheated. I rarely played. The doctor picked someone to save after the Mafia killed someone. There were no switched, nor a SK. So that's my story, what's yours?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:00:49 am
Your case is quite different though, because you supposedly didn't know the dynamics of early claiming and why it's a super bold thing to do. You might not get lynched for it, but I still wouldn't advise doing it in future games.
But I'm learning the dynamics of the game, which I want to accomplish in this game of Mafia. That's why I joined.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:01:49 am
And the mod told me to 'ask any questions I had during the game,' and now I'm getting lynched for that?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 16, 2015, 07:07:33 am
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?

Your more experienced scum partner told you N0.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 16, 2015, 07:09:39 am
Oops, missed the new page. A good thing my post was almost useful.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 07:12:40 am
And the mod told me to 'ask any questions I had during the game,' and now I'm getting lynched for that?

asking your questions ≠ claiming VT

the careful course would have been to ask "is claiming a good idea?" upon which everyone would have told you "no" and you would not have claimed
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:15:35 am
Oops, missed the new page. A good thing my post was almost useful.

Isn't that a bad thing as it goes against your meta?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:16:56 am
I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.

How often have you played IRL? Because that's totally possible, as I can clearly see from various occasions of playing IRL mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 07:29:57 am
I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.

How often have you played IRL? Because that's totally possible, as I can clearly see from various occasions of playing IRL mafia.

I have never played IRL.  My very first experience with mafia/ww/etc. was M10 on this site.  You can go see what a true complete newb looks like.  This ain't it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 07:30:30 am
Let me tell you a story. We played Mafia with a blonde, overweight, too-American Alaskan woman. This was in Turkey. The cop woke up on the night, pointed at someone, and went to sleep
 The pointing had no effect, it was purely symbolic. Many people cheated. I rarely played. The doctor picked someone to save after the Mafia killed someone. There were no switched, nor a SK. So that's my story, what's yours?

I don't understand your story.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:30:52 am
I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.

How often have you played IRL? Because that's totally possible, as I can clearly see from various occasions of playing IRL mafia.

I have never played IRL.  My very first experience with mafia/ww/etc. was M10 on this site.  You can go see what a true complete newb looks like.  This ain't it.
Yes, because all newbs act exactly the same.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 07:31:39 am
I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.

How often have you played IRL? Because that's totally possible, as I can clearly see from various occasions of playing IRL mafia.

I have never played IRL.  My very first experience with mafia/ww/etc. was M10 on this site.  You can go see what a true complete newb looks like.  This ain't it.
Yes, because all newbs act exactly the same.

The opposite, actually.  All newbs act differently.  I'm just pointing out the gold standard for worst possible performance by a newb (mine) and comparing yours.  If anyone has a worse first game than mine, it's clearly faked.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:31:42 am
Let me tell you a story. We played Mafia with a blonde, overweight, too-American Alaskan woman. This was in Turkey. The cop woke up on the night, pointed at someone, and went to sleep
 The pointing had no effect, it was purely symbolic. Many people cheated. I rarely played. The doctor picked someone to save after the Mafia killed someone. There were no switched, nor a SK. So that's my story, what's yours?

I don't understand your story.
The point was, what I went through is equivilant to never playing Mafia IRL or on a forum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:32:24 am
I disagree with you on RR -- all of his "newbie" stuff feels incredibly fake to me.  It's just not possible for someone to be this unaware of how mafia works if they've played before, even if only IRL.

How often have you played IRL? Because that's totally possible, as I can clearly see from various occasions of playing IRL mafia.

I have never played IRL.  My very first experience with mafia/ww/etc. was M10 on this site.  You can go see what a true complete newb looks like.  This ain't it.
Yes, because all newbs act exactly the same.

The opposite, actually.  All newbs act differently.  I'm just pointing out the gold standard for worst possible performance by a newb (mine) and comparing yours.  If anyone has a worse first game than mine, it's clearly faked.
I am doing badly? How? I only have one or two votes against me!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 07:33:52 am
Why does it matter if one of the players was overweight?  What does "too-American" mean?

Performance in a game is not measured by votes or even surviving.

You are doing "badly" because you are making many, many mistakes.  But to me, they are on purpose.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 16, 2015, 07:45:40 am
I still like my vote on ash, by the way.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 07:51:29 am
I still like my vote on ash, by the way.

Why?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 08:16:15 am
And if you're scum, obviously claim VT, right?

In this setup, probably.

I don't get it.... At the start of day Jimmmmm was all like "Don't talk about stuff to give hints to the mafia on optimal play strategy" 

and yet here we are with multiple people blatantly giving optimal play strategy for mafia...

And does Jimmmmm, or anyone else that was going a bit over the top, even bat an eye? No. Because it isn't convenient for him to do so right now.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 08:18:26 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?

it was a thing in Samuri 2? Where I was scum with Robz and Ichi. We specifically told Ichi to play up his newbiness, but to do so carefully.... But in general I don't think it is much of a thing, especially after that game where people began to be more aware of players potentially being coached to do it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 08:26:58 am
The opposite, actually.  All newbs act differently.  I'm just pointing out the gold standard for worst possible performance by a newb (mine) and comparing yours.  If anyone has a worse first game than mine, it's clearly faked.

As the mod of that game I can completely and totally confirm that ash was totally, horribly newb in that game. It was hilarious. But as of yet I don't see why RR is having a worse game than that?

Didn't you not realize that claiming Doctor would have confirmed a lynch on Frisk and then caused a no-lynch that day instead of a lynch on scum?

I haven't seen anything that bad from RR at this point.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 08:56:18 am
Road is town, I'm calling it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 08:57:37 am
Silverspawn may be the scumerspawn.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 09:00:53 am
Man I wish I had a name that had alliteration. WW, SS, RR just seem to have so much more fun than the rest of us...

yummyyuma?

yuppieyuma?

yuletideyuma?

yumayam?

yelpingyuma... that I think is the winner
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 09:01:45 am
Just flip the m upside-down. Yuuua. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2015, 09:05:32 am
I dont see ss as scummy.
Would like to hear from hydrad at some point, but am happy on chairs for now. It's not like chairs has actually said anything more than hydrad.

Y, Y, Y, de-yuma (babadadadadadahhhh), Y, Y, Y, de-yuma?? Now, before....
On the subject of names, Ash, how do you pronounce yours? In my head I alternate between
uh-SHER-skee, and
ASH-er-skye.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 09:09:53 am
WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.

Early on I felt, man Faust has not really done anything, but it was early.  Then he got a wagon on him fast and seemingly without reason, which he didn't really react to (or at least he felt particularly absent).  It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.  Also, it's the kind of thing Faust usually says a lot about.  Then possible issues with Haddock.  And Faust's reads list, which just feels scummy.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 09:10:34 am
We can also always lynch Awaclus, because he is apparently in this game. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 09:19:51 am
It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.

so he's town?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 09:22:06 am
It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.

so he's town?

Are you saying I missed something?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: pacovf on October 16, 2015, 09:33:36 am
Vote Count 1.3

Faust (3): gkrieg13, Hydrad, Witherweaver
ashersky (2): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671
Haddock (3): Jimmmmm, Faust, Ichimaru Gin
Jimmmmm (1): Yuma
Roadrunner7671 (2): chairs, ashersky
chairs (1): Haddock
Hydrad (1): silverspawn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 10:07:34 am
The opposite, actually.  All newbs act differently.  I'm just pointing out the gold standard for worst possible performance by a newb (mine) and comparing yours.  If anyone has a worse first game than mine, it's clearly faked.

As the mod of that game I can completely and totally confirm that ash was totally, horribly newb in that game. It was hilarious. But as of yet I don't see why RR is having a worse game than that?

Didn't you not realize that claiming Doctor would have confirmed a lynch on Frisk and then caused a no-lynch that day instead of a lynch on scum?

I haven't seen anything that bad from RR at this point.

Well, there was that, but that was later in the game (like D3, right?).  My point is that I made a huge setup based error, but didn't do any of that in the game.

Here, we've had RR asking questions like "what's a claim" and claiming VT multiple times and such.  If he's town, he's really fumbling here.  And it won't end up with him eventually catching scum!Frisk.

I was never THAT clueless during the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 10:20:52 am
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.
One could argue that I was 'playing up my noobiness,' but how was I supposed to know that scum does that?

This is the kind of thing that new town is much more likely to say than new scum.

Despite the "playing up noobiness" thing, which really has happened only that one time with Ichi, absolutely (and, seemingly genuine) cluelessness is more likely town than scum.  Scum, after all, get to talk before the game, and a new player is certainly going to ask questions there.  The advice from the scum partners is usually more like "ask a lot of questions, you'll probably get an early pass because you're new", along with some basic strategy, and not like "pretend you were born yesterday".

It's pretty easy to get roped into the "new player is acting so lost that he must have been coached and is faking" thing; it happened with the other new player (Nik) in my first game.

We should lynch outside of Roadrunner, mostly because he's probably town.  And if he's not he'll probably be easier to catch later.  I'm not too keen on lynching Haddock, either.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 11:14:37 am
WW just made a super towny post.

Must be scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 11:15:05 am
Sounds solid.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 11:43:07 am
I for one tend to not like lynching new players on Day1 unless there is an extremely compelling reason to do so. For starters, it just isn't very fun and fun for me has become the biggest part of playing this game. Part of wanting new players to come into games is the hope that they will have fun and stick around and having them just play for a single day before being thrown to the floor isn't a great way to accomplish that.

Maybe I shouldn't put the longterm health of f.ds mafia over this particular day, but I am, unless there is a really, really good reason to do so.

Add to this a lack of meta to read off them often makes them more difficult to read early along with the idea that newer players will be easier to spot the longer they play (this is true of everyone in a sense, but especially true of new players. My first game I played was as scum. I wasn't easy to spot early, but after 3-4 days there was a giant spotlight on me. If the new players are scum, we will probably find them in the next few days...)

So without really good reasons, of which I haven't seen any for either player, I won't be voting for either of the newbies.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 16, 2015, 11:56:06 am
READZORS:

Witherweaver - Town.
Faust - Not Faust. Not sure what I think about new-Faust yet.
Roadrunner7671 - "Too scummy to be scum... and another level past that where they're scum again"
Ashersky - light-to-moderate Town.
gkrieg13 - null
Haddock - light Town.
Awaclus - light Town.
Silverspawn - null
Hydrad - light Town.
Ichimaru Gin - null
Jimmmmm - light-to-moderate Scum.
Yuma - This is Town!yuma.
Chairs - Innocent Child.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 12:00:09 pm
Wait...some people are considering lynching me? Geez, I'll stop asking questions.

And by the way, unvote.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 12:01:17 pm
READZORS
Roadrunner7671 - "Too scummy to be scum... and another level past that where they're scum again"
Is it a suprise to anyone that I have no idea what this means?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 16, 2015, 12:31:08 pm
READZORS
Roadrunner7671 - "Too scummy to be scum... and another level past that where they're scum again"
Is it a suprise to anyone that I have no idea what this means?

You're at "Star Wars Holiday Special" on this graph:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/so_bad_its_worse.png)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 16, 2015, 12:31:43 pm
Like, I suspect you're secretly a really good Mafia player playing up being a newbie.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 12:36:23 pm
Like, I suspect you're secretly a really good Mafia player playing up being a newbie.
I'm suprised you're the first person to suggest that. Does that make me scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 16, 2015, 12:47:01 pm
I still like my vote on ash, by the way.

Why?

Because he's scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 01:39:10 pm
I still like my vote on ash, by the way.

Why?

Because he's scum.

it was a trick question

vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 02:06:09 pm
WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.

Early on I felt, man Faust has not really done anything, but it was early.  Then he got a wagon on him fast and seemingly without reason, which he didn't really react to (or at least he felt particularly absent).  It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.  Also, it's the kind of thing Faust usually says a lot about.  Then possible issues with Haddock.  And Faust's reads list, which just feels scummy.

I never really considered the votes on me a "wagon"; they were just a bunch of uncorrelated RVS votes. I think I would have said more about it if I were scum... but then again, who am I to judge?

Haddock I agree was a bit weird, well, I can do nothing about it, I'm still town. I don't know why my reads list got so much attention; I usually do this... I guess I didn't cross off people? Mostly I cross off people. I just had town reads on some players and thought I could share them. And while doing that I thought I could also try to find out whether I already have some reads on the other players.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 02:08:53 pm
I feel like some people need some motivation to contribute... Hydrad, Ichi, gkrieg have been absent.

Out of those, vote: gkrieg because there's no vote on him yet, and I'm a Berlin hipster.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 16, 2015, 02:33:31 pm
This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

Is this RR's first game also?

I actually like a vote: Haddock at this point. Something I hadn't thought of earlier was I can easily see newbie scum trying to get town points for projecting concern about quicklynches or something.
In my first scum (and in general) game, I recall playing up my newbieness to the point of garnering suspicion for it. I legitimately had a lot of questions and felt confused by stuff though, not sure what (if anything) I would have done differently if I'd been town my first game.

Hey! You are not allowed to agree with me.
I'll disagree with you on this so I can agree with you later. ;D

This is the least Faust thing that this Faust has ever Fausted.
This.

same question to you: why?
faust's posts are normally very focused. They all seem to have a purpose (regardless of his alignment) e.g. moving the game forward, scumhunting, some unknown manipulation or plan.
An early reads post with most people being null just seems out of character for him. I recall there was some game I played not too long ago where I really came down hard on someone for making a super early reads post that seemed to serve little purpose. Was it Deleuze, hugo? I can't remember; I'm pretty certain they turned out to be scum that game though. Guess this is what happens when I take a break.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 16, 2015, 02:39:19 pm
I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

Robz wanted to lynch a newbie in M10, my first game.  We lynched him for it because we thought it was scummy.  I was town, so was he.

Since then, we've always given newbies a pass early in the game, and due to that, there's always been a "play up your newbieness" thing for newbie scum.

Ah, I'm not sure I agree. We often give newbie town passes because newbie town does some stuff that is really hard to fake as newbie scum (see: Roadrunner in thsi game). I think we manage to catch newbie scum fairly often. "Playing up newbieness"is often mentioned, but can you point me to a single game where that was a thing?

it was a thing in Samuri 2? Where I was scum with Robz and Ichi. We specifically told Ichi to play up his newbiness, but to do so carefully.... But in general I don't think it is much of a thing, especially after that game where people began to be more aware of players potentially being coached to do it.
Yeah. I remember that. It worked pretty good for a while--especially I recall Robz helped keep me alive by saying that we shouldn't lynch newbies early on. I do recall getting some suspicion eventually for it though. I agree that I don't think it's a very common strat any more. I was pretty lost in my first game though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 02:45:19 pm
That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 02:46:32 pm
That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

I put a lot of effort into successfully managing to be town in that game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 02:47:21 pm
That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

We can lynch your or Faust.  What's your preference?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 16, 2015, 02:48:02 pm
WW, can you explain what is so suspicious about faust's play? Seems fine to me.

Early on I felt, man Faust has not really done anything, but it was early.  Then he got a wagon on him fast and seemingly without reason, which he didn't really react to (or at least he felt particularly absent).  It's an early wagon and no reason to think it would result in a lynch, but I think scum is more likely to not say a lot and let it fizzle than town is.  Also, it's the kind of thing Faust usually says a lot about.  Then possible issues with Haddock.  And Faust's reads list, which just feels scummy.

I never really considered the votes on me a "wagon"; they were just a bunch of uncorrelated RVS votes. I think I would have said more about it if I were scum... but then again, who am I to judge?

Haddock I agree was a bit weird, well, I can do nothing about it, I'm still town. I don't know why my reads list got so much attention; I usually do this... I guess I didn't cross off people? Mostly I cross off people. I just had town reads on some players and thought I could share them. And while doing that I thought I could also try to find out whether I already have some reads on the other players.
Ah ok. I missed this when I made my other post. I never really interpreted faust's read list as scummy for him, just different than what I normally see him post.
I've been away for a while though, so maybe people have changed some.

PPEs: I'll never forget that game where faust was the survivor and betrayed us  :'(. I knew it would happen but no one would listen.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 02:49:39 pm
That's legit, but I didn't feel like faust's reads list had no purpose. I might be wrong though, faust has fooled me twice recently (one time was by being town when I thought he was scum, that was nasty of him.)

We can lynch your or Faust.  What's your preference?

grammar

PPEs: I'll never forget that game where faust was the survivor and betrayed us  :'(. I knew it would happen but no one would listen.
I won't either
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 03:04:25 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:05:39 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 03:06:19 pm
I could vote for faust... people have said they agreed with me about jimmmm but no actual love there... sad face

vote: faust for being a hipster and for posting a reads list (which I felt was out of character as others have said) and then not using said reads list when voting for gkrieg. Shows that the reads list was just a piece of fluff and basically made up. You know who else makes stuff up?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:06:41 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 03:06:49 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

obviously you want to lynch faust. you alliteration people should stick together!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 03:07:09 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

what is "real" evidence in your opinion?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:07:30 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

obviously you want to lynch faust. you alliteration people should stick together!
I second that.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:17:37 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:19:13 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 03:19:24 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.

So you're his partner?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:19:49 pm
It is clearly a typo and not a grammatical issue.

We can lynch you or Faust.

we can also lynch a whole bunch of other people.

So you're his partner?

presumably one of his many town partners
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:22:21 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:24:48 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?
My statement still stands for now. Vote: no vote.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:27:00 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?
My statement still stands for now. Vote: no vote.

it's vote: nolynch but I don't think that's a good idea for day 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:31:04 pm
This conversation has slipped away from me again. I'm not going to vote until real evidence is presented.

you're never going to vote until a cop has a guilty result on someone?
I didn't say proof, I said evidence.
and now you taught me something about the English language!

That said, I doubt that a day-1 lynch will likely be more than, mh, maybe 1,3 times as likely to hit scum as a random lynch?
My statement still stands for now. Vote: no vote.

it's vote: nolynch but I don't think that's a good idea for day 1
Lol thanks. I will, however, listen to you. Why isn't this a good idea?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 16, 2015, 03:43:15 pm
Lol thanks. I will, however, listen to you. Why isn't this a good idea?

well, town's only way to win is to lynch. each lynch, be it on town or on scum, comes with a death of town during the night. You can consider a Nightkill to be a lynch with 0% chance of hitting scum. So, even if your day 1 lynch has 25% chance to hit scum but your day 2 lynch 35%, you'd still get

(0%, 35%, 0%) rather than (25%, 0%) due to no-lynching day 1

at the start of your next day. The latter is preferable.

the other answer is that lynching on day 1 generates information for day 2 which increases the chances for a successful lynch there. It doesn't just magically get better, it gets better because you lynched day 1.

No-lynching day 1 is generally considered to be awful. An exception would only be made for setup reasons.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:44:17 pm
Lol thanks. I will, however, listen to you. Why isn't this a good idea?

well, town's only way to win is to lynch. each lynch, be it on town or on scum, comes with a death of town during the night. You can consider a Nightkill to be a lynch with 0% chance of hitting scum. So, even if your day 1 lynch has 25% chance to hit scum but your day 2 lynch 35%, you'd still get

(0%, 35%, 0%) rather than (25%, 0%) due to no-lynching day 1

at the start of your next day. The latter is preferable.

the other answer is that lynching on day 1 generates information for day 2 which increases the chances for a successful lynch there. It doesn't just magically get better, it gets better because you lynched day 1.

No-lynching day 1 is generally considered to be awful. An exception would only be made for setup reasons.
That makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks!
Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 03:44:35 pm
Vote: ashersky
Oops   ::)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:02:33 pm
I could vote for faust... people have said they agreed with me about jimmmm but no actual love there... sad face

vote: faust for being a hipster and for posting a reads list (which I felt was out of character as others have said) and then not using said reads list when voting for gkrieg. Shows that the reads list was just a piece of fluff and basically made up. You know who else makes stuff up?

Obviously, by yuma's standards, once one has posted a reads list, one is not allowed to change his reads for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 16, 2015, 06:02:56 pm
Hmm. This is my last thought before sleep, but I reckon ill switch to vote: hydrad overnight. He's still not really contributed.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:06:16 pm
So 4 people are voting for me, 2 still from RVS and two because I posted reads. Surely we can do better than that? But I think we need to focus more on the people who have just not contributed.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 16, 2015, 06:08:24 pm
RR seems to know what OMGUS is, anyway.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:08:39 pm
Prod requests on gkrieg and Hydrad
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:11:32 pm
RR seems to know what OMGUS is, anyway.
I googled it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 16, 2015, 06:12:31 pm
I'm here! sorry!

Unvote: faust though
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 16, 2015, 06:13:15 pm
Roadrunner seems town to me! I know I couldn't fake acting like this so that means its impossible for everyone and hes now confirmed town. ez
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 16, 2015, 06:14:23 pm
Vote: ashersky

if I can't read him may as well kill him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:15:35 pm
Vote: ashersky

if I can't read him may as well kill him.

You're not allowed to say this and not vote Awaclus.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 16, 2015, 06:21:21 pm
Vote: ashersky

if I can't read him may as well kill him.

You're not allowed to say this and not vote Awaclus.

thats a good point... but awaclus has no votes on him yet.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 16, 2015, 06:45:39 pm
Prod requests on gkrieg and Hydrad
Had no idea it had been that long since I'd posted. Had lots of midterms this week so I've just been skimming. It seems like most of the discussion has been around the new guys. Yuma seems town to me. Faust still seems scummy. Has seems different but maybe not in a scummy way?  I don't like the votes on ash so far
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:46:59 pm
Roadrunner seems town to me! I know I couldn't fake acting like this so that means its impossible for everyone and hes now confirmed town. ez
Thanks!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 16, 2015, 06:52:59 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:54:38 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
*insert joke about lunch*

Why do you think we're scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 06:56:41 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 06:58:28 pm
I could vote for faust... people have said they agreed with me about jimmmm but no actual love there... sad face

vote: faust for being a hipster and for posting a reads list (which I felt was out of character as others have said) and then not using said reads list when voting for gkrieg. Shows that the reads list was just a piece of fluff and basically made up. You know who else makes stuff up?

Obviously, by yuma's standards, once one has posted a reads list, one is not allowed to change his reads for the rest of the game.

that isn't what I said
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 06:59:58 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
First thing you've said all game that I agree with.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:18:40 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
First thing you've said all game that I agree with.

So you didn't agree with me saying you're town? Interesting.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:42:17 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
First thing you've said all game that I agree with.

So you didn't agree with me saying you're town? Interesting.
Didn't I claim to be a VT? Can you lie in a claim? What if I make it bold?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 16, 2015, 07:44:34 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
First thing you've said all game that I agree with.

So you didn't agree with me saying you're town? Interesting.
Didn't I claim to be a VT? Can you lie in a claim? What if I make it bold?

uhh. not sure if joking but in case your not.

yes you can lie in claims. also saying it in bold does not mean its true.

otherwise you could have everyone claim and then would just be able to lynch scum and win every game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:45:26 pm
I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.
First thing you've said all game that I agree with.

So you didn't agree with me saying you're town? Interesting.
Didn't I claim to be a VT? Can you lie in a claim? What if I make it bold?

Err... yes, you can lie in a claim. The game would be pretty pointless otherwise. We force everyone to claim and win.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:45:56 pm
Huh, ninja'd.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:50:11 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 16, 2015, 07:57:27 pm
...you understand the whole point is that what you just said could -also- be a lie, right?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 07:58:17 pm
...you understand the whole point is that what you just said could -also- be a lie, right?
I understand. But it's not a lie.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 16, 2015, 07:58:49 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 08:02:31 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
No. I could've been 100% honest beforehand, but now everyone knows I am being 100% honest. Don't twist my words around, please.

And does white text count as invisible text?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 16, 2015, 08:05:51 pm
Oy vey
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 08:07:42 pm
Oy vey
Indeed.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 16, 2015, 08:15:51 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
No. I could've been 100% honest beforehand, but now everyone knows I am being 100% honest. Don't twist my words around, please.

And does white text count as invisible text?

No white text.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 08:17:00 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
No. I could've been 100% honest beforehand, but now everyone knows I am being 100% honest. Don't twist my words around, please.

And does white text count as invisible text?

No white text.
Thanks
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 08:37:44 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
No. I could've been 100% honest beforehand, but now everyone knows I am being 100% honest. Don't twist my words around, please.

And does white text count as invisible text?

No white text.
Thanks

Switching to just "no text" may help your chances of not getting lynched.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 08:39:44 pm
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

So am I understanding correctly that until now, you have not been 100% honest?
No. I could've been 100% honest beforehand, but now everyone knows I am being 100% honest. Don't twist my words around, please.

And does white text count as invisible text?

No white text.
Thanks

Switching to just "no text" may help your chances of not getting lynched.
You know, I thought about that before. But I'm in this to have fun and run my mouth, and I've acomplished both of those.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 16, 2015, 08:45:24 pm
Vote Count 1.4

Faust (3): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Yuma
ashersky (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad
Haddock (2): Jimmmmm, Ichimaru Gin
Roadrunner7671 (2): chairs, ashersky
Hydrad (1): Haddock
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
Gkrieg13 (1): faust

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 08:49:19 pm
With a deadline approaching, I think we seriously need to consider lynching someone instead of goofing around. It might be me, but I think we need evidence on the table. I am the only one who has claimed anything (which means it's a poor play), but does anyone have evidence against Faust, me or ashersky?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 16, 2015, 08:54:42 pm
With a deadline approaching, I think we seriously need to consider lynching someone instead of goofing around. It might be me, but I think we need evidence on the table. I am the only one who has claimed anything (which means it's a poor play), but does anyone have evidence against Faust, me or ashersky?

We have like 9846854684986 days before the deadline, there's no reason to hurry. That said, I have evidence against ashersky (obviously not a PR result though).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 08:58:30 pm
Okay, advice.

Who do you think is scum?  Let me give you some baseline information.

First, Mafia team knows who is on their team, which means their goal is to not get lynched and keep lynches on Town/SK.  There is a need a eliminate SK, but it's secondary to staying alive.  Maybe this game it's better to find SK early cause of the mechanic; I'm not really sure.

Anyway, staying alive means avoiding suspicion.  Avoiding suspicion means making people think you're town, which means making people think you're trying to find Mafia (and other scum, but mainly Mafia). This is necessarily disingenuous because , well, Mafia knows who Mafia is, so it's hard to pretend to look for it.

Disingenuousness is detectable.  Look for it.

I don't think it's Ash.  Well, it could be, but I'd expect this from town!Ash as well.  Probably not SK!Ash because as SK Ash plays more aggreeably and more protown than as town.  Maybe I just gave some info away to scum team but hey I could be wrong.

Anyway, think in those terms.  Who seems fake/constructed/forced with their posts.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 08:59:59 pm
Well, shit, Awaclus is town.

Is what I'd say if I was reading his posts.  But I promised myself I wouldn't do that any more.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 09:09:45 pm
With a deadline approaching, I think we seriously need to consider lynching someone instead of goofing around. It might be me, but I think we need evidence on the table. I am the only one who has claimed anything (which means it's a poor play), but does anyone have evidence against Faust, me or ashersky?

We have like 9846854684986 days before the deadline, there's no reason to hurry. That said, I have evidence against ashersky (obviously not a PR result though).
Is that the KKK hotline or something?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 09:10:46 pm
Okay, advice.

Who do you think is scum?  Let me give you some baseline information.

First, Mafia team knows who is on their team, which means their goal is to not get lynched and keep lynches on Town/SK.  There is a need a eliminate SK, but it's secondary to staying alive.  Maybe this game it's better to find SK early cause of the mechanic; I'm not really sure.

Anyway, staying alive means avoiding suspicion.  Avoiding suspicion means making people think you're town, which means making people think you're trying to find Mafia (and other scum, but mainly Mafia). This is necessarily disingenuous because , well, Mafia knows who Mafia is, so it's hard to pretend to look for it.

Disingenuousness is detectable.  Look for it.

I don't think it's Ash.  Well, it could be, but I'd expect this from town!Ash as well.  Probably not SK!Ash because as SK Ash plays more aggreeably and more protown than as town.  Maybe I just gave some info away to scum team but hey I could be wrong.

Anyway, think in those terms.  Who seems fake/constructed/forced with their posts.
I will probably just end up voting for whoever WW votes for, I would expect SS to do the same.

We gotta stick together!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 09:17:22 pm
I don't so much expect Silverspawn to do the same.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 16, 2015, 10:51:10 pm
We gotta stick together!

We meaning Mafia?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 16, 2015, 10:57:03 pm
We gotta stick together!

We meaning Mafia?
We meaning people with alliteration names.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 16, 2015, 11:04:03 pm
Ah right.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2015, 11:14:16 pm
Jimmmmm doesn't count, it's more consonance.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 05:18:43 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 17, 2015, 05:24:23 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.

I never played with Morgrim7. well I played in his BM game that died. How was Morgrim?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2015, 05:45:53 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.

I never played with Morgrim7. well I played in his BM game that died. How was Morgrim?

He was the old Roadrunner7671.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 05:51:04 am
I don't so much expect silverspawn to do the same.

I don't either.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 05:51:34 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.

I never played with Morgrim7. well I played in his BM game that died. How was Morgrim?

Ironically, if you weren't so purposeful about being pathological, you would be the new Morgrim7.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:53:54 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.

I remember the last time we lynched Morgrim. Town lost that game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 05:57:05 am
Morgrim was town 90% of the time.

He unfortunately caused town to play badly as town quite often.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 06:54:15 am
OK I'm back very briefly, will be on again properly later.
unvote: Hydrad since he's here now.
I'm not keen to lynch RR, he could be playing this up but I don't think it's particularly likely; if he's scum I trust we'll catch him later.
Chairs, I appreciate your reads list, but you still haven't said huge amounts.  Not inherently a problem, but I'd be keen to know, are most of your reads essentially gut reads? I guess everything is pretty much just feeling right now.  People who know, is chairs normally fairly terse?

Noone answered my question about how Jimmm tends to act, but a couple of people have read him as mildly scummy.  I could get behind that.  He seems not to say much but when he says things he's kinda weirdly forceful, almost aggressive.  Maybe that's just how Jimm is (I'd expect it of any-alignment Awaclus, for instance).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 06:56:21 am
So that my vote is somewhere before I disappear for a few hours, I think I'll put it on Jimmm.  Partly a mild scum-feeling coming from him, partly OMGUS.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 07:00:05 am
So that my vote is somewhere before I disappear for a few hours, I think I'll put it on Jimmm.  Partly a mild scum-feeling coming from him, partly OMGUS.

that doesn't count as a vote.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 17, 2015, 07:39:12 am
As to you question for how Jimm usually acts. I just remember he usually is lurky. sometimes he has spurts of activeness though. I don't remember much for how he actually plays though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 07:43:35 am
Gah. I keep doing that. vote: Jimmmm
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 08:09:16 am
As to you question for how Jimm usually acts. I just remember he usually is lurky. sometimes he has spurts of activeness though. I don't remember much for how he actually plays though.

He's generally authoritative, good at math issues, fairly no nonsense.  I think his scum persona is more likely to be "nice" when compared to his town persona, where is he less likely to care what others think or feel.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 08:10:25 am
Haddock's messed up vote feels more like "sincere" newbieness than "What does claiming mean" and "I googled OMGUS" does.

But whatever.  If no one is with me in lynching a newb...

vote: silverspawn

(Note: I'm keeping an invisible vote on RR.)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 08:11:47 am
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2015, 09:04:54 am
silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.

Everyone is probably town.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 09:08:27 am
silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.

Everyone is probably town.

And yet before you said ashersky is scum. Inconsistent much?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2015, 10:38:26 am
And yet before you said ashersky is scum. Inconsistent much?

That's a town tell.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 10:41:37 am
And yet before you said ashersky is scum. Inconsistent much?

That's a town tell.

So is ashersky scum or not?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 11:08:13 am
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.

I've got more to say about Faust but I'll wait until I am at an actual computer to say it. I am phone posting on my wife's phone and cross quoting is hard on phones...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 11:15:45 am
Haddock's messed up vote feels more like "sincere" newbieness than "What does claiming mean" and "I googled OMGUS" does.
Not newbieness as such in this case.  Just distractedness.  I was in a bit of a rush.

We have like 9846854684986 days before the deadline, there's no reason to hurry. That said, I have evidence against ashersky (obviously not a PR result though).
Is this the same reasoning you've been sticking with since the beginning, or are you claiming some new point?

OK so I'm happy to go along with people if they say that this is Jimmm's usual meta.  I'll switch back to vote: chairs.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2015, 11:37:41 am
And yet before you said ashersky is scum. Inconsistent much?

That's a town tell.

So is ashersky scum or not?

Yes.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 11:40:27 am
vote: Awaclus?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 11:54:32 am
From now on, I am going to be 100% honest. I have noting to lose.

Yeah...time to continue voting this guy.

He's the new Morgrim7.

I never played with Morgrim7. well I played in his BM game that died. How was Morgrim?

He was the old Roadrunner7671.
Yay! I'm a hit! I forgot who I was voting for, so unvote.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 17, 2015, 12:21:45 pm
As to you question for how Jimm usually acts. I just remember he usually is lurky. sometimes he has spurts of activeness though. I don't remember much for how he actually plays though.

He's generally authoritative, good at math issues, fairly no nonsense.  I think his scum persona is more likely to be "nice" when compared to his town persona, where is he less likely to care what others think or feel.

Hmm. I didn't realise I came across as authoritative.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 12:23:20 pm
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Sorry. What's the case against krieg?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 12:23:53 pm
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Sorry. What's the case against krieg?
There isn't one.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:25:00 pm
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Sorry. What's the case against krieg?

General lurkiness plus this post:

I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 12:25:55 pm
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Sorry. What's the case against krieg?

General lurkiness plus this post:

I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
Why is that post scummy?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 12:26:52 pm
Why is noone else voting gkrieg?

silver is town, man. So is ash probably. And me. Time to get some good wagons started.
Sorry. What's the case against krieg?

General lurkiness plus this post:

I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
Oh. I must have missed that. I'm down for a vote: gkrieg then. I'll try to be less lazy too, just busy.

PPE: Not wanting to lynch your scumreads is really weird.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:30:15 pm
vote: Awaclus?

I could get behind Awaclus... only gkrieg is scummier.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 12:31:46 pm
vote: Awaclus?

I could get behind Awaclus... only gkrieg is scummier.
Can you explain how?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:32:43 pm
vote: Awaclus?

I could get behind Awaclus... only gkrieg is scummier.
Can you explain how?

I just did?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 12:36:12 pm
vote: Awaclus?

I could get behind Awaclus... only gkrieg is scummier.
Can you explain how?

I just did?
By saying he is more scummy than Awaclus?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:42:58 pm
For a more detailed case on gkrieg, let me look at all his posts, which shouldn't be too many.

vote: Faust for sleeping.  Lurking is scummy!
RVS.

I'm in a game again! Weee!

Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.

Vote: Roadrunner
What? What are you basing that upon?

Vote: faust

It's RVS (random voting stage).
General helpfulness.

But it's only 7:30. Please can I stay up?
Never. I'm a senior in biochemistry right now so I understand your pain.
Joking.

Ummm ok. Can everyone who voted for faust in like the first fifteen posts or so just come check themselves? Suddenly that wagon is looking a bit massive now, and those early votes were definitely not reason-based, so could probably be changed.

Why are you so worried?
Cos I'd like, eventually, for us to have reasons for lynching somebody. If everyone voting for faust has a reason, then great. Otherwise we have a not-insignificant wagon on somebody, formed by essentially random chance.

Well now I have a reason.
This seems to imply that gkrieg is now voting for me because Haddock defended me.

You're weird defending of him.  Especially without defending ash.
Yeah. Voting me for that is bad, because that I am scum only follows from this if you assume Haddock is scum. So Haddock should be your first target. But surely scum prefers to get rid of me.

\inbefore "Coached to play up newbieness"

I can't remember... Is wanting to lynch newbies a town tell or a scumtell? If I can't remember that probably means it is neither.

But really I think it was a tow tell cause mafia wouldn't want to risk the wrath of town being upset that you would want to lynch a newbie. I think robs came up with that and it turned out it was generally correct.

EFHW was against my lynch the first game and that was what made me vig her.  I was correct.
Great, an anecdote.

definitely still feeling a Faust lynch. Although ash has been much different this game.
Hedging on both major wagons. Still no better reasoning to vote for me.

What does different mean?

People keep using that term but what does it even mean? Different how? Different in a scummy way?

Not really in a scummy way.  He just doesn't seem as abrasive.  Maybe that means he's town?  I was just watching him carefully when we were partners and he always had a plan.  He doesn't seem to have a concrete plan here.
This is like the opposite of taking a stance.

Prod requests on gkrieg and Hydrad
Had no idea it had been that long since I'd posted. Had lots of midterms this week so I've just been skimming. It seems like most of the discussion has been around the new guys. Yuma seems town to me. Faust still seems scummy. Has seems different but maybe not in a scummy way?  I don't like the votes on ash so far
Reads without reasoning.

I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today
Very scummy post.

And that's it. gkrieg has offered nothing to this game, as you can see from the above quotes. Seeing how scum!gkrieg always got lynched early except the one time he claimed Mason, it makes sense that he would be careful not to talk too much.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 12:46:45 pm
Wait, if he has offered nothing to the game, what have I offered?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:48:38 pm
Wait, if he has offered nothing to the game, what have I offered?

You have posted a lot, exposing yourself, given opinions. There's a lot to look at to decide whether you're town or not. True, it would be nice to know more of your reads, but you have participated way more than gkrieg.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 12:51:31 pm
Lots more to say about Faust... I am sure you are all in high anticipation...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 12:56:04 pm
Lots more to say about Faust... I am sure you are all in high anticipation...

Very much so.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 12:58:23 pm
Faust seems town to me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 17, 2015, 01:01:07 pm
FINE Faust you suck.

Vote: Gkrieg
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 01:21:55 pm
Wait, if he has offered nothing to the game, what have I offered?

You have posted a lot, exposing yourself, given opinions. There's a lot to look at to decide whether you're town or not. True, it would be nice to know more of your reads, but you have participated way more than gkrieg.
Wait, you want me to make a read list?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 01:35:26 pm
Wait, if he has offered nothing to the game, what have I offered?

You have posted a lot, exposing yourself, given opinions. There's a lot to look at to decide whether you're town or not. True, it would be nice to know more of your reads, but you have participated way more than gkrieg.
Wait, you want me to make a read list?

Well, I want to know what you think about the other players. How you parse that information is up to you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 01:42:20 pm
So people want to vote for awa or gkrieg? I could get behind either of those.
I voted for awa way early on. I was happy with his response to that, but find him unreadable in general and therefore lynchable.
The case against gkrieg seems pretty good, but since it was presented primarily by faust, id like to hear what yuma has to say about faust before I decide between awa and gkrieg.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 01:50:41 pm
Ok just finished with my fourth midterm of the week.  I should have posted something in the V/LA board.  I will get back into this game right now.  I'm not really sure why Faust is gunning for me out of the lurkers.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 17, 2015, 02:09:18 pm
vote: Awaclus?

No.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 17, 2015, 02:22:03 pm
FINE Faust you suck.

Vote: Gkrieg

You could vote Awa instead.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 02:26:09 pm
Ok just finished with my fourth midterm of the week.  I should have posted something in the V/LA board.  I will get back into this game right now.  I'm not really sure why Faust is gunning for me out of the lurkers.

Well, I suggest you read my posts then.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 02:31:09 pm
Ash: how do you feel about Jimmmm now?

Ash doesn't seem as calculated as he usually is.  Most of his posts seem like he just wrote them and then sent them, instead of rereading them.  That leads me to believe that he is town.  It definitely reads different to me than last game, where I was watching him closely.  Him trying to start something up with ss was handled well by both of them.  I think they both come off townier from it.

yuma seems the same to me as last game.  He is talkative and mainly making sense.  I guess I don't know what scum!yuma looks like.  I don't agree with his line of reasoning on Jimmmm talking about switched, but it seems genuine.

Awaclus is difficult to read, even when I was on his team last game. 

Haddock is scummy.  His worrying about wagons being formed on people is scummy.  His defending Faust out of the blue is scummy.  You're right Faust, I should be voting for him, but ever since my first game on here, where I was important to town but got a lot of heat on the first day, I don't want to lynch new guys D1.  I was mega scummy my first game, but people gave me the benefit of the doubt.  I think the other reason why is because he defends you right after actively sheeping you with a bad reason.  Why switch your vote to Hydrad for not contributing and not to me?

WW: I unfortunately am agreeing with your reads and observations this game.  You seem towny enough.

Faust: ok rereading you, you don't appear as scummy.  It was just that one moment from Haddock that had me worried.   the reads list seems out of place to me.  Although you are usually lynched D1, or die N1, or are mafia.  So we'll see where we're at tomorrow.  I'm also curious why your wagon stayed together for so long?  For me it was just that I was busy and didn't have time to look at other people.  It looks like everyone else just kinda stayed there without a reason.  The case on me also seems genuine.

Chairs: seems really normal and towny this game.  Lurky, but still changing his vote.

@RoadRunner: How did Faust earn your vote?  Also why claim when you asked if it was good to claim, and everyone told you it wasn't.  In fact, everyone one tole you when to claim VT, and when to not claim VT?  The reason why I find you scummy is it seems like you are just trying to take the focus of the entire day without looking for scum in other people.  AND you're talking about deadlines.  This is what I did my first scum game.

silverspawn: why change your vote to Hydrad for lurking?  Isn't that what he always does?  And why not change it to me?  Actually you seem more abrasive in the second half of the day than I've seen you as town.

Back to the switches, why would town talk about them at all?  They don't affect town, and the only people who care about them are scum and SK.  I think town would want to stop any talk of switches.  I agree with Jimmmmm on this one.

Ok Haddock is putting his vote in all the wrong places.  vote: Haddock is going against my not voting for newbies D1, but he has definitely deserved it for being a fishy fish.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 02:38:07 pm
silverspawn: why change your vote to Hydrad for lurking?  Isn't that what he always does?  And why not change it to me?  Actually you seem more abrasive in the second half of the day than I've seen you as town.

I don't remember that, but I've basically thrown votes around at semi-random this game so far, waiting for anything to give me a big scum vibe on someone.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 03:01:33 pm
silverspawn: why change your vote to Hydrad for lurking?  Isn't that what he always does?  And why not change it to me?  Actually you seem more abrasive in the second half of the day than I've seen you as town.

I don't remember that, but I've basically thrown votes around at semi-random this game so far, waiting for anything to give me a big scum vibe on someone.

Have you gotten anything yet?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 03:17:32 pm
silverspawn: why change your vote to Hydrad for lurking?  Isn't that what he always does?  And why not change it to me?  Actually you seem more abrasive in the second half of the day than I've seen you as town.

I don't remember that, but I've basically thrown votes around at semi-random this game so far, waiting for anything to give me a big scum vibe on someone.

You should read gkrieg's posts more closely.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 03:28:03 pm
silverspawn: why change your vote to Hydrad for lurking?  Isn't that what he always does?  And why not change it to me?  Actually you seem more abrasive in the second half of the day than I've seen you as town.

I don't remember that, but I've basically thrown votes around at semi-random this game so far, waiting for anything to give me a big scum vibe on someone.

You should read gkrieg's posts more closely.

I did read your collection. it's not a bad case, I'm just kind or paranoid of sheeping you...

but I'll think more about it soon.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 17, 2015, 04:02:42 pm
Ok Haddock is putting his vote in all the wrong places. 
Why switch your vote to Hydrad for not contributing and not to me?
I have voted chairs, Jimmm, Hydrad, SS, awa and IG at different times. 
IG was a joke, very early game.
When you and Hydrad were both not here I picked one of you to vote for to get you moving.  Why not vote for you?  Because I couldn't vote for both of you and someone was already voting you, so we had you covered. 

So out of Jimmm, chairs, SS and awa, which votes do you have a problem with?  Or is it just because I indicated that I might think about voting you so you're pushing back at me?

His defending Faust out of the blue is scummy. 
I say again.  At no point did I defend faust.  I simply tried to motivate people on faust to contribute to the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 04:09:29 pm
Ok Haddock is putting his vote in all the wrong places. 
Why switch your vote to Hydrad for not contributing and not to me?
I have voted chairs, Jimmm, Hydrad, SS, awa and IG at different times. 
IG was a joke, very early game.
When you and Hydrad were both not here I picked one of you to vote for to get you moving.  Why not vote for you?  Because I couldn't vote for both of you and someone was already voting you, so we had you covered. 

So out of Jimmm, chairs, SS and awa, which votes do you have a problem with?  Or is it just because I indicated that I might think about voting you so you're pushing back at me?

His defending Faust out of the blue is scummy. 
I say again.  At no point did I defend faust.  I simply tried to motivate people on faust to contribute to the game.

You are just voting for my town reads without having a good reason. Mainly just jimmmm and chairs.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 17, 2015, 04:13:37 pm
ohhh gkrieg wagons!

this sounds fun. can I vote him? time to check vote counts!

also Haddock is giving me scum vibes right now. not much but maybe I'll see it growing in time...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 17, 2015, 04:14:19 pm
ah i got bored and didn't count but i'm pretty sure hes no where near being lynched so

Vote: gkrieg13
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 04:23:28 pm
I think your vote puts me at 3
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 04:45:45 pm
Gkrieg, I have no justification for voting for Faust, that is why I unvoted. And if you want to think I'm scum, that's perfectly fine. Few other people think I am, and I know that I am not.
Personally, I think you are trying to draw attention away from yourself, but I will make a read list now.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 04:50:04 pm
Gkrieg, I have no justification for voting for Faust, that is why I unvoted. And if you want to think I'm scum, that's perfectly fine. Few other people think I am, and I know that I am not.
Personally, I think you are trying to draw attention away from yourself, but I will make a read list now.

When wiuld I not want to draw attention away from myself?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 04:52:43 pm
Here is my read:
WW: He seems like town. If he is scum, I think the town will just lose.

Faust: Faust seems very calculated and efficient. I don't think he is Mafia, but I am inclined to think he might be the Serial Killer.

Roadrunner: He seems like town to me.

Ashersky: I think he may actually be scum. He tries to draw attention away from himself, and he seems very mysterious.

Gkreig13: I could hop on his wagon. There is a lot of evidence against him, but I don't really want to anger him just in case he is scum. We'll say slightly scummy for this guy.

Haddock: Probably scum, but I would not lynch a fellow noob on day one.

Awaclus: Town.

SS: I have no idea, but slightly town.

Hydrad: See SS

IG: IG seems like a powerful role. I would not lynch him (him?) unless it came down to my vote, but I generally have bad reads.

Jimmmmmm: He is very fishy. Whether he is a PR or scum, I do not think he is a VT. I am not going to investigate him because I don't want to get lynched.

Yuma: Probably town, but I really don't know. I've never seen Yuma around the forum.

Chairs: Chairs is a huge bully. I think he is a VT who has a death wish.

The end.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 04:53:13 pm
Gkrieg, I have no justification for voting for Faust, that is why I unvoted. And if you want to think I'm scum, that's perfectly fine. Few other people think I am, and I know that I am not.
Personally, I think you are trying to draw attention away from yourself, but I will make a read list now.

When wiuld I not want to draw attention away from myself?
Personally, I like to be the star of the show, even if I don't have a PR. It's for fun, right?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 04:59:32 pm
Gkrieg, I have no justification for voting for Faust, that is why I unvoted. And if you want to think I'm scum, that's perfectly fine. Few other people think I am, and I know that I am not.
Personally, I think you are trying to draw attention away from yourself, but I will make a read list now.

When wiuld I not want to draw attention away from myself?
Personally, I like to be the star of the show, even if I don't have a PR. It's for fun, right?

That doesn't help people find scum. It's kinda like what awaclus did last game specifically to make town play bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:08:20 pm
Gkrieg, I have no justification for voting for Faust, that is why I unvoted. And if you want to think I'm scum, that's perfectly fine. Few other people think I am, and I know that I am not.
Personally, I think you are trying to draw attention away from yourself, but I will make a read list now.

When wiuld I not want to draw attention away from myself?
Personally, I like to be the star of the show, even if I don't have a PR. It's for fun, right?

That doesn't help people find scum. It's kinda like what awaclus did last game specifically to make town play bad.
On day one, I am not confident that our town can find scum. I made a list to voice my opinion, and I will vote later. That's really all I can do. And maybe I'm trying to be unhelpful on purpose so that I am not a high target for scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 05:09:15 pm
ohhh gkrieg wagons!

this sounds fun. can I vote him? time to check vote counts!

also Haddock is giving me scum vibes right now. not much but maybe I'll see it growing in time...

Why do you want to vote me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:09:43 pm
ohhh gkrieg wagons!

this sounds fun. can I vote him? time to check vote counts!

also Haddock is giving me scum vibes right now. not much but maybe I'll see it growing in time...

Why do you want to vote me?
Presumably because they think you are scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 05:28:00 pm
So I am home on a computer so here is my larger post on faust:

The first instance of me noticing faust occurred here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg532142#msg532142) as others have pointed out. This reads list just didn't seem very fausty and I also felt it was too early to be useful and thus more likely to just be something that I could see scum!faust fabricating to appear to being useful and active.

The relevant part of that quote is here (and edited):

Roadrunner7671 - only empty posts. Not posting for a while, but suddenly around when called out on it. Scummy.

gkrieg13 - has gkrieg done anything yet? Null.
Haddock - his defending me is a bit weird. White knighting? Slight scum.

Jimmmmm - yuma has a point. Slight scum.

In that he has some scum reads: RR, Jimmmmm and Haddock (eventually votes for him). I include gkrieg because he then votes for gkrieg next:

I feel like some people need some motivation to contribute... Hydrad, Ichi, gkrieg have been absent.

Out of those, vote: gkrieg because there's no vote on him yet, and I'm a Berlin hipster.

The issue I have with this isn't that faust votes for a lurker to motivate him to participate. It is that he does so when he says he has goodish scummy reads on other players. That is my issue, foresaking scummy reads to vote for a null read when there are other methods to encourage participation (asking for a prod which faust in fact does). This makes it seem even more likely that those so-called reads above are forced and fake because he isn't prioritizing them. It has nothing to do with changing reads like faust said later, because the read on gkrieg at this point hadn't changed. It was a vote on a null lurker.

This null lurker vote then changes exactly one post after gkeirg comes into the game:

I think one of the new guys is scum but I don't want to lunch them today

As you say, Scummy McScum.

No it isn't just a null vote it is a "scummy mcscum" vote, which I am guessing is stronger especially as faust then starts to hound people for doing it. And the thing is.... faust is accusing gk of doing exactly what he did: having scum reads but not voting for them...

Which I agree is really quite scummy. In fact I would say that gkrieg's is scummier as faust's reads were early on in the game, whereas gkrieg's, one would assume, are more solid.

The large post for faust's case against gkrieg just seems like justification for voting as the only real scummy thing I think that is there.

So I am ok continuing to vote for faust, but I can see why gkrieg is scummy, I just don't necessarily like the way that faust got there... which isn't what I thought I was going to say at the end of this bit, but there you have it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 17, 2015, 05:31:38 pm
oh i like that even more

Vote: faust
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:33:15 pm
I'm not gonna vote until the 20th or 21st.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 05:33:38 pm
oh i like that even more

Vote: faust

and you know I am not sure that I do...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 05:41:16 pm
Faust: Faust seems very calculated and efficient. I don't think he is Mafia, but I am inclined to think he might be the Serial Killer.
please, no!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:45:50 pm
Faust: Faust seems very calculated and efficient. I don't think he is Mafia, but I am inclined to think he might be the Serial Killer.
please, no!
I really think he is, but I sure hope not as well.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:47:38 pm
It would be nice if people read all of my posts, if they're going to bother writing up a case on me. Oh well.

The first instance of me noticing faust occurred here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13958.msg532142#msg532142) as others have pointed out. This reads list just didn't seem very fausty and I also felt it was too early to be useful and thus more likely to just be something that I could see scum!faust fabricating to appear to being useful and active.

Have you read any of my recent scum games?

In that he has some scum reads: RR, Jimmmmm and Haddock (eventually votes for him). I include gkrieg because he then votes for gkrieg next:
[...]
The issue I have with this isn't that faust votes for a lurker to motivate him to participate. It is that he does so when he says he has goodish scummy reads on other players. That is my issue, foresaking scummy reads to vote for a null read when there are other methods to encourage participation (asking for a prod which faust in fact does). This makes it seem even more likely that those so-called reads above are forced and fake because he isn't prioritizing them. It has nothing to do with changing reads like faust said later, because the read on gkrieg at this point hadn't changed. It was a vote on a null lurker.

So, uh... if you had actually followed my posts, you would know that this is rubbish. I was voting for Roadrunner at the time I was writing that post. Then I changed my mind (and said so in thread) and switched to Haddock. But after Haddock posted a bit, he also didn't feel that scummy anymore. So you can go reread and see that I changed my mind on both RR and Haddock. Your real qualm is that I didn't vote Jimmmmm. Who I put down as "slight scum".

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit. I don't buy that town always sticks to their scum reads and never votes a lurker; that's rubbish. In fact, scum is much more likely to go back and ask themselves: "Who should I vote for next? Well, let's look for who I am supposed to have a scum read on..." - Because their reads aren't real, they have a harder time keeping them in their mind, and thus double-check. This is where the saying "inconsistency is a town tell" originates from.

So let me ask you, yuma, what exactly would be my scum motivation for voting gkrieg over Jimmmmm?

This null lurker vote then changes exactly one post after gkeirg comes into the game:
[...]
No it isn't just a null vote it is a "scummy mcscum" vote, which I am guessing is stronger especially as faust then starts to hound people for doing it. And the thing is.... faust is accusing gk of doing exactly what he did: having scum reads but not voting for them...

Which is not what I voted gkrieg for. I voted gkrieg for saying he does not want to lynch his scum reads. If he said "they're scummy, but for now I'll keep my vote where it is for reasons", I would not have had a problem with it. I never said I didn't want to lynch Jimmmmm. I only voted for someone else to help move the game forward, and then that person happened to act scummy.

So what you're ultimately voting me for is my attempts to move the game in a good direction. My early reads list was there to spark discussion - which it did. My gkrieg vote was for reactions - and reactions I got. While all you've been doing in the meantime is going on about how you're soon going to make your big revelation.

PPE: 4
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 05:50:39 pm
vote: faust

maybe it is confirmation bias, but what the hell, I am more often right than wrong
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:50:41 pm
Two things: Faust didn't deny a thing about being Serial Killer.

And what does PPE stand for?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:53:14 pm
Two things: Faust didn't deny a thing about being Serial Killer.

And what does PPE stand for?

Sorry. I don't want to encourage SK hunting and I did not feel the need to respond to some baseless accusation. But if it pleases you: I am not a Serial Killer.

PPE = "pre-post edit" Writing "PPE 4" is short for "there have been 4 posts since I started writing this post".
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 05:53:37 pm
@RR Yes I'm a he.

So. Reads list.

Witherweaver: I feel a bit of a scum vibe from him actually. His jokes seems a little more forced to me. Maybe it's just my hiatus.

Faust: I'm pretty much waiting for his response to yuma's post about him. Other than that, we haven't had our "mandatory fight" yet or whatever--which I'm happy about. I don't think I will ever not be wary of faust though. There was that game not too long ago where he basically became an IC as scum.

Roadrunner7671: eh. I don't think I want to lynch him today. He reads like new town to me.
Ashersky: I don't recall much about his posts this game. I'm not sure why he's suspected. I should probably reread a bit since I mostly skimmed the stuff that happened while I was asleep.
gkrieg13: Mm. I'm doubting my scumread on him slightly. I feel like I have a bit of a history of finding him scummy. yuma does make a good point too about that he and faust acted similarly.
Haddock: The other new player in this game. I think his avatar looks conniving. I should probably peruse his posts as well.
Awaclus: Inscrutable.
Silverspawn: Pretty null at this point. I think his meta has changed a lot since he first started playing. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
Hydrad: Somewhat scummy. I think I've always ended up on the wrong side of reading Hydrad. There was a post he made recently that I found suspicious. I'll see if I can find it.
Ichimaru Gin: townzer
Jimmmmm: I don't think Jimmmmm has said much so far. There was the early thing about shutting down conversation about the switches. I find it notable that he thought the SK and Mafia would/could use theory talk about the switches to communicate?
Yuma: Town for now. It's been a while since I've played with him; I think I took my break around the time he returned.
Chairs: Null to slight scum for now. He hasn't said much. He also made that quick, unexplained vote on...Haddock I think?

PPE: 6
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 05:53:40 pm
Two things: Faust didn't deny a thing about being Serial Killer.

And what does PPE stand for?

funnily enough it's something that dis-relevances (this is now a word) the first thing.

if you type a message and between the time that you began typing and that you pressed on "Post" someone has submitted a new post, you will get  PPE warning. PPE 4 means that he hasn't read the latest 4 posts, one of which being your SK one.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 05:55:26 pm
Guess I kinda gave up on formatting it halfway through.
Let me know if it's too hard to read.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:55:31 pm
vote: faust

maybe it is confirmation bias, but what the hell, I am more often right than wrong

Ah, no, why even bother respond to me when you can just drop a vote?

If I remember correctly, you after more often wrong than right about me. Didn't you drive my mislynch in two or three consecutive games once, all as town?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 05:57:19 pm
I am not a Serial Killer.
I believe you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 05:57:52 pm
FULL CIRCLE!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 05:57:58 pm
funny story... there is a setting within notifications that I had somehow turned on that disables seeing the warning about new posts when typing one, so for the longest time I had thought that people were actively going and manually checking if new posts had been written before posting...

Anyways, make sure that button isn't on if you aren't seeing the warning...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:58:46 pm
I am not a Serial Killer.
I believe you.

You should be aware that post-modification (other than deleting some stuff) is pretty much frowned upon in this mafia community.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 05:59:06 pm
As are quote fails.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 05:59:30 pm
Look at me. I thought it was genuine until I checked just now. So yeah, probably best not to do that.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 06:00:02 pm
vote: faust

maybe it is confirmation bias, but what the hell, I am more often right than wrong

Ah, no, why even bother respond to me when you can just drop a vote?

If I remember correctly, you after more often wrong than right about me. Didn't you drive my mislynch in two or three consecutive games once, all as town?

because sometimes it is better to not respond than banging your head against a brick wall like I did with he who shall not be named last game. You know how I feel, I know how you feel. Leave it there. If you have something specific for me, about me, let me know and I'll probably answer. But I am not going to do wall of text responses to walls of text responses...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:00:32 pm
I am not a Serial Killer.
I believe you.

You should be aware that post-modification (other than deleting some stuff) is pretty much frowned upon in this mafia community.
All I did was delete stuff!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:01:46 pm
Why does that keep happening!!??
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:02:27 pm
well, even though I'm still fearful of faust as always and that stuff I'm pretty sure I don't want to vote for him day 1.

That makes my current vote pool something like {Witherweaver, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Chairs}
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:03:16 pm
because sometimes it is better to not respond than banging your head against a brick wall like I did with he who shall not be named last game. You know how I feel, I know how you feel. Leave it there. If you have something specific for me, about me, let me know and I'll probably answer. But I am not going to do wall of text responses to walls of text responses...

ah disregard what I just said 5 seconds ago.

vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 06:03:56 pm
Haven't had a vote count in a while.

Also, what time is the deadline? Is it Wednesday?
That's my busiest day, so in all likelihood won't be around if that's the case.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:04:17 pm
Awaclus was a constant spring of unhelpfulness. faust is nothing like that. that comparison is pretty ridiculous.

and you're basically saying "I won't even back up my point against you".

Okay, maybe that isn't that much of a scum tell, but it's definitely a bad idea.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:04:37 pm
well, even though I'm still fearful of faust as always and that stuff I'm pretty sure I don't want to vote for him day 1.

That makes my current vote pool something like {Witherweaver, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Chairs}
What am I, chopped liver?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 06:05:38 pm
townie chopped liver apparently.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:06:44 pm
well, even though I'm still fearful of faust as always and that stuff I'm pretty sure I don't want to vote for him day 1.

That makes my current vote pool something like {Witherweaver, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Chairs}
What am I, chopped liver?

 (http://forums.school-survival.net/images/ss-smileys/suspicious.gif)

I excluded about half of the playerbase. Are you trying to argue that you should be in the scummier half?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 06:06:50 pm
Awaclus was a constant spring of unhelpfulness. faust is nothing like that. that comparison is pretty ridiculous.

and you're basically saying "I won't even back up my point against you".

Okay, maybe that isn't that much of a scum tell, but it's definitely a bad idea.

I am not comparing faust to he that shall not be named. I am comparing myself to myself. At the end of the last game I almost quit mafia again because it wasn't fun. That wasn't necessarily on HTSNBN, but more on me because I kept feeling the urge to respond to everything little thing that he did.

Like I said, if faust wants me to respond to something specific, I am happy to do so. But I am not going to quote post walls of text because if I do that I won't keep playing at the end.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 17, 2015, 06:09:56 pm
Vote Count 1.5

Faust (2): Yuma, Hydrad
ashersky (1): Awaclus
Haddock (2): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Awaclus (1): ashersky
gkrieg13 (3): faust, Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver
Jimmmmm (1): Haddock
yuma (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 06:10:46 pm
you remember the abhorrent "circle jerk" terminology from last game?

I am trying to avoid that...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:11:24 pm
Like I said, if faust wants me to respond to something specific, I am happy to do so. But I am not going to quote post walls of text because if I do that I won't keep playing at the end.

I mean, I have heard the excuse of "I don't want to respond because it'd be walls of text" exactly once, which was in my one and only offsite game, and I thought it was incredibly stupid. Like, wtf.

faust did address points, maybe 3 or so, and nothing stops you from addressing them. why does it matter if the post is long or short.

that said, I know that sometimes your mind can draw illogical associations with stuff that make things unpleasant even if there's no rational reason for it... so eh. Like I said, it doesn't really make you scummy anyway.

back to my lynch pool.

let's just do vote: gkrieg. if I'm not lynching faust, I might aswell sheep him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:11:40 pm
well, even though I'm still fearful of faust as always and that stuff I'm pretty sure I don't want to vote for him day 1.

That makes my current vote pool something like {Witherweaver, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Chairs}
What am I, chopped liver?

 (http://forums.school-survival.net/images/ss-smileys/suspicious.gif)

I excluded about half of the playerbase. Are you trying to argue that you should be in the scummier half?
No, I am wondering why you excluded me.
PPE: 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 06:13:25 pm
liver can't kill people--especially when it's been chopped into delicious little chunks.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:14:19 pm
liver can't kill people--especially when it's been chopped into delicious little chunks.
Fair point.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
No, I am wondering why you excluded me.

I mean, if you're really scum and you purposefully faked all the confusion / noobiness, then wow, amazingly well played.

If you're scum and didn't fake the confusion, then wtf did your scum buddies do?

The most likely explanation seems to be that they purposefully didn't tell you anything. that would be a cool strat.

but Occam's Razor says you're town. You're actually one of my strongest reads.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:15:38 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 17, 2015, 06:16:01 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.
Was he in fact scum that game?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:17:30 pm
No, I am wondering why you excluded me.

I mean, if you're really scum and you purposefully faked all the confusion / noobiness, then wow, amazingly well played.

If you're scum and didn't fake the confusion, then wtf did your scum buddies do?

The most likely explanation seems to be that they purposefully didn't tell you anything. that would be a cool strat.

but Occam's Razor says you're town. You're actually one of my strongest reads.
Occam's Razor?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:18:56 pm
No, I am wondering why you excluded me.

I mean, if you're really scum and you purposefully faked all the confusion / noobiness, then wow, amazingly well played.

If you're scum and didn't fake the confusion, then wtf did your scum buddies do?

The most likely explanation seems to be that they purposefully didn't tell you anything. that would be a cool strat.

but Occam's Razor says you're town. You're actually one of my strongest reads.
Occam's Razor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvknfoHgg8

or more relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor)

Quote
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 06:19:24 pm
A self-evident but very relevant principle, in and outside mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 06:21:17 pm
A self-evident but very relevant principle, in and outside mafia.
Okay. Then why is chairs still voting for me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 06:51:20 pm
Like I said, if faust wants me to respond to something specific, I am happy to do so. But I am not going to quote post walls of text because if I do that I won't keep playing at the end.

No, you don't need to respond. People are apparently seeing that your case is bad, so there's no need to argue about it further.

I am wondering though, if you're town, do you not want to convince people? You should not answer the post for me, but for the other players in the game, who in your opinion need to be convinced to vote for me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 07:09:06 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.

I don't think I follow...  Am I scummy this game or not?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.

I don't think I follow...  Am I scummy this game or not?
Well, you have a lot of votes for you...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 07:10:59 pm
If people have questions then they can ask. I feel that what I put out has merit. If others can't see that... well... I honestly don't know how to convince people any more. The case on HTSNBN last game was pretty clear cut, but people refused to listen because I apparently diluted that with talking too much or something, so let's try this method and see if it works...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 17, 2015, 07:13:35 pm
If people have questions then they can ask. I feel that what I put out has merit. If others can't see that... well... I honestly don't know how to convince people any more. The case on HTSNBN last game was pretty clear cut, but people refused to listen because I apparently diluted that with talking too much or something, so let's try this method and see if it works...

I think your case didn't work only because the two ICs were telling you you were wrong. I don't think it was dilution at all. I thought you had a great case so I had to make sure people discounted it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 07:15:13 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.

I don't think I follow...  Am I scummy this game or not?

you are scummy, just not as scummy as in fanfiction mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 07:16:08 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

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Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 17, 2015, 07:16:52 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

PPE: 1

I don't know, are we? I am.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 07:18:03 pm
If people have questions then they can ask. I feel that what I put out has merit. If others can't see that... well... I honestly don't know how to convince people any more. The case on HTSNBN last game was pretty clear cut, but people refused to listen because I apparently diluted that with talking too much or something, so let's try this method and see if it works...

Well, to be fair, a lot of people were also suspecting Awaclus in that game... for me personally, at some point I felt like you were just too emotionally invested and thus biased and thus I didn't listen to the case. Plus starting D3 you were very suspcious yourself due to the derphammer. Plus you didn't know Awaclus meta yet - at least for me that was something that made me take you less seriously (sorry about that).

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think you're unable to convince people. It was a very specific situation then and now it's very different.

Why am I encouraging you to push a case against me again?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 07:19:04 pm
then again, gkrieg was so incredibly scummy in the game I modded that I almost feel this game isn't scummy enough to be scum.

I don't think I follow...  Am I scummy this game or not?

you are scummy, just not as scummy as in fanfiction mafia.

Seeing things from a mod's perspective is much different though. It's always easier to find people scummy when you know they're scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 07:19:21 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

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Should we not?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 07:22:46 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

PPE: 1

Should we not?
I don't really think he is.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 17, 2015, 07:24:39 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

PPE: 1

Should we not?
I don't really think he is.

That's not the impression I got from reading this:

Gkreig13: I could hop on his wagon. There is a lot of evidence against him, but I don't really want to anger him just in case he is scum. We'll say slightly scummy for this guy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 17, 2015, 07:28:54 pm
Are we seriously thinking about lynching gkreig?

PPE: 1

Should we not?
I don't really think he is.

That's not the impression I got from reading this:

Gkreig13: I could hop on his wagon. There is a lot of evidence against him, but I don't really want to anger him just in case he is scum. We'll say slightly scummy for this guy.
I didn't post that!

In all seriousness, I said 'slightly' scummy. I'm not sure 'slightly' is enough to convict him.

On the other hand, if I defend him and he is scum, people will think I'm scum!

I think I've dug myself into a hole because of my big mouth.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 17, 2015, 07:58:03 pm
If people have questions then they can ask. I feel that what I put out has merit. If others can't see that... well... I honestly don't know how to convince people any more. The case on HTSNBN last game was pretty clear cut, but people refused to listen because I apparently diluted that with talking too much or something, so let's try this method and see if it works...

Well, to be fair, a lot of people were also suspecting Awaclus in that game... for me personally, at some point I felt like you were just too emotionally invested and thus biased and thus I didn't listen to the case. Plus starting D3 you were very suspcious yourself due to the derphammer. Plus you didn't know Awaclus meta yet - at least for me that was something that made me take you less seriously (sorry about that).

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think you're unable to convince people. It was a very specific situation then and now it's very different.

Why am I encouraging you to push a case against me again?

those are fair points... mostly I just don't want to get into a place where I feel a little bit gross about what I am posting (like I did last game) and I was starting to feel that way as I was reading yours and thinking of how I would respond and felt it best to not--at least not at that time and in that setting...

and honestly you wanting me to push my case against you makes me suspect you less...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 17, 2015, 11:36:45 pm
I'm getting a little bored with the "joking WW feels scummy" kind of argument as it's been demonstrated wrong many many times.  Feels lazy.

Also, Gkrieg getting called out for calling someone not scummy and not voting for them, and then making a big long reads post when he gets a wagon in him, and at the end voting for that person that he got called out before, man that's scumzor mcsumity.

Though if Gkieg is scum and Faust is Town I'll be annoyed because it means I was wrong  and that's never a good time.

Still don't feel great about Faust.  Also Fauat detracting house lynch with a lurker case is auspicious, but he made decent points. Good news is Faust/Gkrieg partner is virtually impossible.

Yuma I have a hard time reading now, because I don't think he's playing like he did before.  Maybe we should all act like we want to lynch him and see how he responds.  Don't tell him we talked about this though.

Ichi is up in the air. Haddock has acted scummier, and man RR is town.

Silver doesn't feel any townier.  Awaclus is we could lynch, I mean why not.

Ash probably not.  Hm... who else?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 01:01:13 am
I am probably going to end of voting for Faust, Ashersky or gkreig. Sorry guys, don't night kill me over it please.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 18, 2015, 02:17:15 am
I'm getting a little bored with the "joking WW feels scummy" kind of argument as it's been demonstrated wrong many many times.  Feels lazy.
I didn't say it to bore you. I've been on different sides of that argument before.
That's just mostly what I remember from your play this game so far, and it stood out to me. I'm not saying jokey WW is a scumtell, cause I think it's established it's not an alignment tell for you. However, on a quick reread of you, a lot of your posts seem like short, witty commentary. Maybe I'm just out of touch and that's also normal.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 04:23:10 am
Ash probably not.  Hm... who else?

You forget Hydrad, chairs, Jimmmmm. For which I can't really blame you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 04:29:44 am
Ash probably not.  Hm... who else?

You forget Hydrad, chairs, Jimmmmm. For which I can't really blame you.

Eh, toss them in the lynchable pile.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 04:44:36 am
So WW, you basically have no town read besides ash?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 04:45:03 am
Oh, Roadrunner I guess. He's hidden.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2015, 05:55:17 am
Couple of pages to catch up.

Before anything else, WW I'd like to know what you meant by
Haddock has acted scummier...
Are you saying that I have acted scummier than some other person?  Or are you saying I've acted scummier in this game than I currently am acting?  I honestly don't know which you mean.

That done with:

This yuma vs. faust thing is really hard for me to read.  If they're both scum then they've played this very well indeed.
Overall I think yuma comes out just on top, ie. I think the whole thing makes faust look ever-so-slightly scummy.  But nothing yuma has said against faust has convinced me that the case against gkrieg is less good than it always was.

And now gkrieg has claimed to have a town read on chairs.  This just doesn't make any sense to me.  Chairs hasn't said anything.  I accept that quietness might be chairs's usual behaviour, which is why I'm no longer voting for him.  But seriously, with the amount that chairs has said can anyone really get a town read on him?  Null at best, for me.

All that said, vote: gkrieg.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 18, 2015, 10:15:26 am
Hey, checking in. As I said in the V/LA thread, busy weekend.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 11:17:44 am
I'm checking in. Lynching gkreig doesn't feel great, but I think I might vote for him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 11:29:06 am

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2015, 11:33:08 am

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"

do you have stats?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 11:36:54 am

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"

do you have stats?
No but I've only been scum twice. Once was in fan fiction. The other I subbed in and got lynched like 3 pages later in college town where Faust was my partner. And in fan fiction, Faust was only alive the first day. So I can't really say that he has been really good at finding scum!me
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 11:49:37 am
Okay, a lot of you think I am town. Will you guys still think I am town if I don't lynch gkreig and he is Mafia?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 18, 2015, 01:04:30 pm
So,  just caught up on the last five pages or so.  RR is Morgrim aligned for sure.

vote: yuma I think.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 18, 2015, 01:16:12 pm

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"

do you have stats?
No but I've only been scum twice. Once was in fan fiction. The other I subbed in and got lynched like 3 pages later in college town where Faust was my partner. And in fan fiction, Faust was only alive the first day. So I can't really say that he has been really good at finding scum!me

I also thought that statement by Faust was odd.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 01:18:23 pm

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"

do you have stats?
No but I've only been scum twice. Once was in fan fiction. The other I subbed in and got lynched like 3 pages later in college town where Faust was my partner. And in fan fiction, Faust was only alive the first day. So I can't really say that he has been really good at finding scum!me

I also thought that statement by Faust was odd.

Like scummy odd?  Or just odd odd?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 18, 2015, 01:28:09 pm
Seems like a thing he might say to strengthen his case, which could happen either way.

It's straight up not true, though.  You haven't been scum enough and we killed him N1 that last time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 01:33:11 pm
So,  just caught up on the last five pages or so.  RR is Morgrim aligned for sure.

vote: yuma I think.
Is that a good thing?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2015, 02:50:52 pm
OK so here's my reads list.

Ashersky:  Not said huge amounts recently.  People seemed to find him scummy early on.  I remember thinking him slightly scummy, but can't remember why.  Null-to-mild scum.
Awaclus: Unreadable. I voted for him early, but was happy for his response.  Null, but could lynch him because he's unreadable, if people wanted that.
Chairs: Still not saying much. People say that's normal for chairs.  Therefore null.
Faust: He lied about being able to read gkrieg? I don't like that at all.  Moderate scum, I would be OK voting him if that became a thing.
Gkrieg: Moderate-to-strongly scum.
Haddock: Town!
Hydrad: Isn't saying much.  The most recent posts I can find from him are short and contain very little explanation before jumping on a wagon.  Mildly scummy maybe, but not enough to lynch today I think, there are better candidates.
Ichimaru Gin: Pretty towny, I think.  Thinks my avatar looks "conniving", to which I say MWAHAHAHAHA.
Jimmmmm: Mixed.  I didn't like his short commanding posts early on, but again I rely on other people's assessment that he's usually like this.  So overall null I guess.
Roadrunner7671: Weird. I go back and forth.  I'm with other people who suggest we leave it until a later day to see what he's like then.
Silverspawn: Slightly towny.
Witherweaver: Hasn't said massive amounts.  But what he has said has seemed fine.  Slight town.
Yuma: Null.  Makes some sense about faust, but that doesn't necessarily make him towny.



Just for everyone's reference, here's the vote count as I make it (only 2 changes since the last one, but meh.)
Faust (2): Yuma, Hydrad
ashersky (1): Awaclus
Haddock (2): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13
Awaclus (1): ashersky
gkrieg13 (5): faust, Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver, silverspawn, Haddock
yuma (1): chairs

Not voting: Roadrunner7671
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 03:08:06 pm
Couple of pages to catch up.

Before anything else, WW I'd like to know what you meant by
Haddock has acted scummier...
Are you saying that I have acted scummier than some other person?  Or are you saying I've acted scummier in this game than I currently am acting?  I honestly don't know which you mean.


Scummier than I originally thought.  I had you as an early town read.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 18, 2015, 03:19:08 pm
Jimmmmm: Mixed.  I didn't like his short commanding posts early on, but again I rely on other people's assessment that he's usually like this.  So overall null I guess.

Which posts in particular do you have an issue with? Do you mean you think they're scummy, or you don't like them for some other reason?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 03:22:44 pm
Okay, a lot of you think I am town. Will you guys still think I am town if I don't lynch gkreig and he is Mafia?

I don't see any utility in answering this question and thus don't see any utility in you asking it...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 03:23:43 pm
So,  just caught up on the last five pages or so.  RR is Morgrim aligned for sure.

vote: yuma I think.

silly place for a rvs vote
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 03:44:32 pm

I voted gkrieg because I wanted to get reactions specifically from him. Past games show that I am decently good at finding scum!gkrieg, so him posting more would help me quite a bit.

I would like to point out that this isn't true. Faust has found me scummy in the last few games that we've played together regardless of my alignment. He vigged me in Paris mafia when I was town because I was "the scummiest person"

do you have stats?
No but I've only been scum twice. Once was in fan fiction. The other I subbed in and got lynched like 3 pages later in college town where Faust was my partner. And in fan fiction, Faust was only alive the first day. So I can't really say that he has been really good at finding scum!me

Right... I might have thought you and Joseph were there same person for some reason. Nevermind then.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 18, 2015, 04:22:32 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 04:26:08 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 04:26:47 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2015, 04:48:37 pm
there is no way scum!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, and there is no reason town!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, so it is irrelevant as far as his alignment goes. giving him scum points for it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 04:50:53 pm
there is no way scum!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, and there is no reason town!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, so it is irrelevant as far as his alignment goes. giving him scum points for it doesn't make sense.

who was giving scum points for it?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2015, 04:54:23 pm
Which posts in particular do you have an issue with? Do you mean you think they're scummy, or you don't like them for some other reason?
Like I said, overall, I don't have an issue; we kinda dealt with this already.  We came up with a fairly good word; "authoritative".  You came across as commanding, almost aggressive.  It bothered me (yes, as in I found it a bit scummy), but now it doesn't; people said it was fairly normal for you. 


Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 04:59:59 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 05:00:31 pm
there is no way scum!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, and there is no reason town!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, so it is irrelevant as far as his alignment goes. giving him scum points for it doesn't make sense.

who was giving scum points for it?

Haddock.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 05:01:13 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

So has yuma.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 05:04:29 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

you are right... I am beginning to wonder how many things I have missed while reading on the wife's phone.

I had only seen your "you suck faust" vote...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 05:07:11 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 05:08:03 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

You really need to vote even on D1. If no one voted on the first day, we would never get anywhere
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 05:08:08 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

So has yuma.

But I was asking Chairs?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 05:08:57 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 05:20:34 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
I decided to declare this so that people would tell me if it was a good/bad idea, and because I hadn't posted in a bit.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 18, 2015, 05:24:11 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
I decided to declare this so that people would tell me if it was a good/bad idea, and because I hadn't posted in a bit.

Well, refusing to vote Day 1 is voting for no-lynch, which is probably bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 18, 2015, 05:24:59 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
I decided to declare this so that people would tell me if it was a good/bad idea, and because I hadn't posted in a bit.

Well, refusing to vote Day 1 is voting for no-lynch, which is probably bad.

which has already been explained before...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 18, 2015, 05:25:27 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
I decided to declare this so that people would tell me if it was a good/bad idea, and because I hadn't posted in a bit.

Well, refusing to vote Day 1 is voting for no-lynch, which is probably bad.

which has already been explained before...

Can we lynch him now?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 18, 2015, 05:26:58 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

So has yuma.

But I was asking Chairs?

I should go to sleep.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 05:29:54 pm
I don't think I'm going to vote on day one.

this again... vote if you think someone is scummy, if you don't then don't. but there is no need to declare in advance every single little thing you do or anticipate doing...
I decided to declare this so that people would tell me if it was a good/bad idea, and because I hadn't posted in a bit.

Well, refusing to vote Day 1 is voting for no-lynch, which is probably bad.

which has already been explained before...

Can we lynch him now?

I think he is just bad town. There are better lynches.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 05:30:04 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

So has yuma.

But I was asking Chairs?

I should go to sleep.

Dude, sleeping is scummy.  We established that like 12 hours into this game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 05:31:31 pm
I'm going to shoot to get home in about 5 hours and can focus more when I get there.

What are your thoughts on Gkrieg?

what are yours?

I have said things.

So has yuma.

But I was asking Chairs?

I should go to sleep.

Dude, sleeping is scummy.  We established that like 12 hours into this game.

He's making me have to vote him for consistency again
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 18, 2015, 05:38:41 pm
there is no way scum!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, and there is no reason town!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, so it is irrelevant as far as his alignment goes. giving him scum points for it doesn't make sense.
Good point, well made.  Call it only a slight scum-read on faust then, based on the interaction with yuma.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 18, 2015, 06:44:20 pm
I don't like the gkrieg wagon. The scummiest thing he has done was posting that huge reads list and that seems genuine too.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 18, 2015, 06:56:39 pm
hmm lets see a would lynch catagory...

faust/gkrieg/haddock/ uhhh ss. ya lets go ss. awaclus and asher can be here too.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2015, 07:16:40 pm
ya lets go ss.

... ?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 18, 2015, 07:16:51 pm
vote: Hydrad
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 07:19:20 pm
hmm lets see a would lynch catagory...

faust/gkrieg/haddock/ uhhh ss. ya lets go ss. awaclus and asher can be here too.
Why not RR.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 18, 2015, 07:29:59 pm
hmm lets see a would lynch catagory...

faust/gkrieg/haddock/ uhhh ss. ya lets go ss. awaclus and asher can be here too.
Why not RR.

because i really feel like your town learning the game instead of scum faking.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Hydrad on October 18, 2015, 07:31:17 pm
ya lets go ss.

... ?

Your the most hesitant one on there. Usually I end up thinking one of me reads is going to be wrong so even though I have no evidence to think your scum I picked you at random since I'm guessing theres at least 1 scum I missed. so now I have a higher chance of being right. Its perfect!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 18, 2015, 07:33:48 pm
hmm lets see a would lynch catagory...

faust/gkrieg/haddock/ uhhh ss. ya lets go ss. awaclus and asher can be here too.
Why not RR.

because i really feel like your town learning the game instead of scum faking.
Yay, thanks. Who was the guy I am like? Morgan-something? Who was bad town, but always bad town?

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 07:39:11 pm
ya lets go ss.

... ?

Your the most hesitant one on there. Usually I end up thinking one of me reads is going to be wrong so even though I have no evidence to think your scum I picked you at random since I'm guessing theres at least 1 scum I missed. so now I have a higher chance of being right. Its perfect!

Something something, Hydrad's sig.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 18, 2015, 07:41:57 pm
So. WW. I'm interested why you chose to ignore my response to you?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 07:46:30 pm
So. WW. I'm interested why you chose to ignore my response to you?

I didn't think I needed to respond to it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 18, 2015, 07:49:19 pm
So. WW. I'm interested why you chose to ignore my response to you?

I didn't think I needed to respond to it.
Oh ok. It just seemed like you reacted by casting mild suspicion on me and then just kind of continued on.
Of course, I've made my share of jokes this game, it's just difficult for me to get a read on you when I feel like most of your posts are sarcastic.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 18, 2015, 07:53:11 pm
So. WW. I'm interested why you chose to ignore my response to you?

I didn't think I needed to respond to it.
Oh ok. It just seemed like you reacted by casting mild suspicion on me and then just kind of continued on.
Of course, I've made my share of jokes this game, it's just difficult for me to get a read on you when I feel like most of your posts are sarcastic.

I wasn't saying it made you suspicious; I'm just saying I didn't like it.  I mean part of it was that the same thing just happened last game.  It was driven by scum (Ash/Gkrieg) there, but town has made the arguments before.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 18, 2015, 07:54:54 pm
So. WW. I'm interested why you chose to ignore my response to you?

I didn't think I needed to respond to it.
Oh ok. It just seemed like you reacted by casting mild suspicion on me and then just kind of continued on.
Of course, I've made my share of jokes this game, it's just difficult for me to get a read on you when I feel like most of your posts are sarcastic.

I wasn't saying it made you suspicious; I'm just saying I didn't like it.  I mean part of it was that the same thing just happened last game.  It was driven by scum (Ash/Gkrieg) there, but town has made the arguments before.
Ok. Guess I misunderstood then. I know how it feels to not want the same conversation every game. Thankfully, it seems the obsession around my OMGUSing people has subsided--maybe because I stopped doing it heh heh.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: pacovf on October 18, 2015, 09:26:50 pm
Vote Count 1.6

Faust (2): Yuma, Hydrad
ashersky (1): Awaclus
Haddock (2): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13
Awaclus (1): ashersky
gkrieg13 (4): faust, Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver, Haddock
Yuma (1): chairs
Hydrad (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 09:43:07 pm
hmm lets see a would lynch catagory...

faust/gkrieg/haddock/ uhhh ss. ya lets go ss. awaclus and asher can be here too.

Ok I feel like too many people are find with the lynchpool of faust/gkrieg/haddock/and maybe ash.  That leads me to believe that we are all town.  We have a few more days, and I don't think focusing on three people, when so many people have said it is a good idea.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 18, 2015, 09:44:28 pm
Ok I looked for the quotes to back that up and didn't find anything.  Maybe that is just my perception.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 19, 2015, 12:49:33 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 01:44:27 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 01:49:01 am
there is no way scum!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, and there is no reason town!faust lies on purpose on the gkrieg debate, so it is irrelevant as far as his alignment goes. giving him scum points for it doesn't make sense.
Good point, well made.  Call it only a slight scum-read on faust then, based on the interaction with yuma.

Please expand. Why do you think I'm scummy from that?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 19, 2015, 01:53:23 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.

Man if you can't see why I want to lynch him,  I don't know what to tell you. He's been extremely distracting and I don't feel like I can make any reads based on reaction to him because he's so over the top.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 01:55:05 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.

Man if you can't see why I want to lynch him,  I don't know what to tell you. He's been extremely distracting and I don't feel like I can make any reads based on reaction to him because he's so over the top.

How does that make him scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 03:47:42 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.

Man if you can't see why I want to lynch him,  I don't know what to tell you. He's been extremely distracting and I don't feel like I can make any reads based on reaction to him because he's so over the top.

How does that make him scum?

Let's see if I can post now...(I can't post on the forums for a few hours every morning, and I'm not sure why)

Because it's what scum wants.  Distracting town, providing no content, messing with everyone's reads...those are all anti-town things.  While I know someone will say anti-town doesn't equal scummy, sometimes they go together because anti-town stuff helps scum.

He's basically Awaclus without the disrespectful/mean streak.  Which was Morgrim.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 04:19:40 am
^that's a totally legit strategy for scum to do, but I don't think that a noob!scum does it
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 19, 2015, 05:24:49 am
Please expand. Why do you think I'm scummy from that?
Let me reread tonight and get back to you.  I just seem to remember yuma making some valid points, then you trying to turn it back round on yuma.  Which in itself is fine, I just got a gut feeling overall that you had come out the scummier of the two of you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2015, 06:31:43 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.

Man if you can't see why I want to lynch him,  I don't know what to tell you. He's been extremely distracting and I don't feel like I can make any reads based on reaction to him because he's so over the top.

How does that make him scum?

Let's see if I can post now...(I can't post on the forums for a few hours every morning, and I'm not sure why)

Because it's what scum wants.  Distracting town, providing no content, messing with everyone's reads...those are all anti-town things.  While I know someone will say anti-town doesn't equal scummy, sometimes they go together because anti-town stuff helps scum.

He's basically Awaclus without the disrespectful/mean streak.  Which was Morgrim.
I thought Morgrim was always town? And I feel like on my very first day of forum Mafia, I don't have enough evidence to lynch someone. Sue me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 06:44:03 am
I thought Morgrim was always town? And I feel like on my very first day of forum Mafia, I don't have enough evidence to lynch someone. Sue me.

I don't think you understand how this game works.  For the entirety of the game, most of us will never have any evidence at all.  It's all guesswork and handicraft.

Even when a cop claims to have caught mafia at night, the "cop" could be lying.

vote: Roadrunner7671 again.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 06:46:45 am
Put it another way: imagine this was a vanilla game.  So, 9 Vanilla Townies vs. 3 Mafia Goons.  No powers, nothing.

What would you propose happen?  If you no lynch every day due to "no evidence," the Mafia Goons just kill someone every night until they win.

If you demand everyone claim their role, everyone says Vanilla Town, because the Mafia are going to lie.

You have to lynch people, even if it might be wrong.  The way people interacted with them, who did and didn't vote, etc. is how you build cases on other players.  It's all circumstantial, but it's all we have.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2015, 06:49:47 am
Put it another way: imagine this was a vanilla game.  So, 9 Vanilla Townies vs. 3 Mafia Goons.  No powers, nothing.

What would you propose happen?  If you no lynch every day due to "no evidence," the Mafia Goons just kill someone every night until they win.

If you demand everyone claim their role, everyone says Vanilla Town, because the Mafia are going to lie.

You have to lynch people, even if it might be wrong.  The way people interacted with them, who did and didn't vote, etc. is how you build cases on other players.  It's all circumstantial, but it's all we have.
No no no, I get that. I just don't think I have enough evidence to build a case on anyone. I mean, what type of case do you have on me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 07:49:57 am
Faking newbie stuff.
Refusing to vote after first having odd voting patterns.
Claiming VT.

That's enough for me.  (That last one by itself is enough.)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 19, 2015, 07:53:23 am
I'm also fine with a RR lynch just because lynching a claimed VT is always decent.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 07:57:59 am
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 19, 2015, 08:01:30 am
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

I already came up with something better. Ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 08:02:53 am
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

I already came up with something better. Ash.

ash is definitely better than RR

but that doesn't mean much, since literally everyone except me is a better lynch than RR
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 08:04:45 am
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

I already came up with something better. Ash.

Alright.

Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 08:15:03 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 08:15:46 am
oh faust is sheeping this? let's see

first ash has these two posts

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which are def both super scummy, as I've gone over already

he responds aggressively when jimmm calls him out on it, which is something he'd do as either alignment

he also responds aggressively towards me when I vote him for the two above posts, which is also something he'd do as either alignemnt

(this is a fundamental property of ash I think, his emotions and views take priority over ingame reasons, so lots of things are auto null since they aren't dictated by alignment)

Then he calls out awaclus for being less unhelpful than in previous games. weird. not sure what ... ?

a few jokes

then he pushes RR, which is bad. not that bad though. RR is my strongest townread, but I could see town!ash doing it.

overall it amounts to a decent day 1 scumread for me. also, not a single post of him gives me town vibes.

vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 19, 2015, 08:42:17 am
Faking newbie stuff.
Refusing to vote after first having odd voting patterns.
Claiming VT.

That's enough for me.  (That last one by itself is enough.)
So you're calling me a liar? And the first votes were OMGUS. And 'faking' newbie stuff? So you think I'm one of the best Mafia players on the forum?

I feel good about this: Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 08:45:27 am
that is L-2
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 08:45:53 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash

I am pretty much always up for an ash wagon, but the people on this wagon kinda make me want to throw up in my mouth when I contemplate joining it... two of my stronger scum reads and HTSNBN... no thanks

plus take this quote from Jimmmm
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR ash lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

and sub in ash for RR and that is how I have felt about day1 lynches since coming back to f.ds
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 08:47:41 am
oh and now add in an OMGUS on top.... RR is likely town (and even if he isn't I don't want to lynch a newbie today) but that wasn't a good vote...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 08:54:19 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash

I am pretty much always up for an ash wagon, but the people on this wagon kinda make me want to throw up in my mouth when I contemplate joining it... two of my stronger scum reads and HTSNBN... no thanks

plus take this quote from Jimmmm
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR ash lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

and sub in ash for RR and that is how I have felt about day1 lynches since coming back to f.ds

Has ash been the Day 1 lynch lately (honest question, I haven't followed games I haven't been in)?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 09:03:33 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash

I am pretty much always up for an ash wagon, but the people on this wagon kinda make me want to throw up in my mouth when I contemplate joining it... two of my stronger scum reads and HTSNBN... no thanks

plus take this quote from Jimmmm
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR ash lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

and sub in ash for RR and that is how I have felt about day1 lynches since coming back to f.ds

Has ash been the Day 1 lynch lately (honest question, I haven't followed games I haven't been in)?

I think the only game that is already over were ash was lynched day 1 is in my very first game, were robz drove his mislynch. that's a long time ago.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 09:20:17 am
And the last D1 lynch we had on this forum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 09:21:23 am
My wagon is full of scummy folks, at least.

I like how SS has all those posts saying everything I've said is null, then calls it a good case.

vote: silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 09:22:40 am
And the last D1 lynch we had on this forum.

So, twice? Whereas we regularly lynch the loud, unhelpful but pretty obviously Town players on Day 1 (and sometimes later Days too).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:22:55 am
Regarding my opinion of gkrieg: I could lynch him, but he's not my first choice. I've reconsidered my yuma vote, however. I'd like to be on record that imho vote: roadrunner is a wise course of action (he's my first choice), and we have time for the rest of you to reconsider giving him a D1 pass.

Well, sure, we are all going to reconsider Roadrunner because the wise and mighty chairs said so. It's not like we need reasons or anything.

Man if you can't see why I want to lynch him,  I don't know what to tell you. He's been extremely distracting and I don't feel like I can make any reads based on reaction to him because he's so over the top.

That's not a great reason though.  I really doubt he's scum, and lynching him seems like a waste.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:24:22 am
Vote: Silverspawn
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 09:35:17 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash

I am pretty much always up for an ash wagon, but the people on this wagon kinda make me want to throw up in my mouth when I contemplate joining it... two of my stronger scum reads and HTSNBN... no thanks

plus take this quote from Jimmmm
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR ash lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

and sub in ash for RR and that is how I have felt about day1 lynches since coming back to f.ds

Has ash been the Day 1 lynch lately (honest question, I haven't followed games I haven't been in)?

I didn't mean ash specifically anymore than you meant RR specifically--obviously RR has never been the day1 lynch before--but the type or style of lynch that I have seen since coming back.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 09:36:56 am
I'm in.

Vote: ash

I am pretty much always up for an ash wagon, but the people on this wagon kinda make me want to throw up in my mouth when I contemplate joining it... two of my stronger scum reads and HTSNBN... no thanks

plus take this quote from Jimmmm
Hmm. We have about 3.5 days. I'm not loving the RR ash lynch, but then it's the kind of lynch that always seems to happen on Day 1. Hopefully we can come up with something better before deadline.

and sub in ash for RR and that is how I have felt about day1 lynches since coming back to f.ds

Has ash been the Day 1 lynch lately (honest question, I haven't followed games I haven't been in)?

I didn't mean ash specifically anymore than you meant RR specifically--obviously RR has never been the day1 lynch before--but the type or style of lynch that I have seen since coming back.

Ah okay. How would you describe that type or style?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 09:40:00 am
Weird behavior not scummy behavior + bandwagon jumping.

I don't know bandwagon jumping I don't really mind. It is day1 and I think those sort of interactions end up proving useful. But I think it can ultimately result in a group think sort of mentality where not only do we end up often lynching town day1 (not a huge concern as that is going to happen) we also don't really get anything super useful out of it (a much, much bigger concern)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:43:09 am
Weird behavior not scummy behavior + bandwagon jumping.

I don't know bandwagon jumping I don't really mind. It is day1 and I think those sort of interactions end up proving useful. But I think it can ultimately result in a group think sort of mentality where not only do we end up often lynching town day1 (not a huge concern as that is going to happen) we also don't really get anything super useful out of it (a much, much bigger concern)

Are you still gunning for Faust?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 09:44:05 am
Weird behavior not scummy behavior + bandwagon jumping.

I don't know bandwagon jumping I don't really mind. It is day1 and I think those sort of interactions end up proving useful. But I think it can ultimately result in a group think sort of mentality where not only do we end up often lynching town day1 (not a huge concern as that is going to happen) we also don't really get anything super useful out of it (a much, much bigger concern)

Are you still gunning for Faust?

I am still voting for him, but I don't know if I am gunning...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 09:46:55 am
I think RR is just a Newbie who doesn't really know what he's doing. New scum at least know not to draw too much attention to themselves.

ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 09:59:37 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:00:02 am
I like how ss has all those posts saying everything I've said is null, then calls it a good case.

hm, I could easily disprove this by displaying the relevant quotes - does anyone want me to? I feel like that might not be a good idea, since an argument with ash is likely to clutter up the thread, no matter how hopeless his position is.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:02:24 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?

Super weak for what?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:04:11 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?

Super weak for what?

For a case by you.  Well, for a case at all.

"What can we say about ash" as an opening is basically admitting you have zip to go on.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:06:40 am
he responds aggressively when jimmm calls him out on it, which is something he'd do as either alignment

he also responds aggressively towards me when I vote him for the two above posts, which is also something he'd do as either alignemnt

(this is a fundamental property of ash I think, his emotions and views take priority over ingame reasons, so lots of things are auto null since they aren't dictated by alignment)

Then he calls out awaclus for being less unhelpful than in previous games. weird. not sure what ... ?

a few jokes

then he pushes RR, which is bad. not that bad though. RR is my strongest townread, but I could see town!ash doing it.

overall it amounts to a decent day 1 scumread for me. also, not a single post of him gives me town vibes.


Here's your relevant quotes.

You start with "ash has two scummy posts" and then this giant list of null tells and a town!ash mention.

Somehow that amounts to a decent day 1 scumread?

You continue to let your personal feelings for how I "wrecked" your fanfiction game by using a plan you thought was "bad" to win the game in a way you didn't like mess with your game.

At this point, I'm disgusted with it and am pretty much at the point where I feel like we should just avoid playing forum games together.  Which is sad, but it's what happened with Eevee, and I guess can happen again.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:07:01 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?

Super weak for what?

For a case by you.  Well, for a case at all.

"What can we say about ash" as an opening is basically admitting you have zip to go on.

Scummy vibe. It's a thing. I'm getting it from you.

What I'm hearing now is, "Don't lynch me for the wrong reason."
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:08:16 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?

Super weak for what?

For a case by you.  Well, for a case at all.

"What can we say about ash" as an opening is basically admitting you have zip to go on.

Also, given how well I've been doing in Mafia games for the last like 2 years, saying someone has a scummy vibe on Day 1 is freaking amazing for me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 10:08:36 am
ash... what can we say about ash? He's reminding me somewhat more of scum ash than Town ash.

That seems super weak.  What's it even mean?

Super weak for what?

For a case by you.  Well, for a case at all.

"What can we say about ash" as an opening is basically admitting you have zip to go on.

Scummy vibe. It's a thing. I'm getting it from you.

What I'm hearing now is, "Don't lynch me for the wrong reason."

back to vote: jimmmmm
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:08:42 am
What I'm hearing now is, "Don't lynch me for the wrong reason."

I had that exact thought and expected someone to throw it out there to see if it sticks.  I'm not Hydrad.

You know what's funny?  Mislynching me IS for the wrong reason.  If I'm scum, you'd be lynching me for the right reason, don't you think?

As it is, unfortunately, the right reason for lynching me (ashersky, the player -- regardless of alignment) has nothing to do with in-game reasons anymore.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:09:20 am
As it is, unfortunately, the right reason for lynching me (ashersky, the player -- regardless of alignment) has nothing to do with in-game reasons anymore.

Are you accusing me of something?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:09:33 am

Also, given how well I've been doing in Mafia games for the last like 2 years, saying someone has a scummy vibe on Day 1 is freaking amazing for me.

This might be the most egotistical thing anyone's ever said in an f.ds mafia game, ever.  And that's saying a lot, given some of the personalities (myself very much included) on this site.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:09:38 am
As it is, unfortunately, the right reason for lynching me (ashersky, the player -- regardless of alignment) has nothing to do with in-game reasons anymore.

Are you accusing me of something?

No.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:10:04 am

Also, given how well I've been doing in Mafia games for the last like 2 years, saying someone has a scummy vibe on Day 1 is freaking amazing for me.

This might be the most egotistical thing anyone's ever said in an f.ds mafia game, ever.  And that's saying a lot, given some of the personalities (myself very much included) on this site.

What do you mean?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:11:10 am

Also, given how well I've been doing in Mafia games for the last like 2 years, saying someone has a scummy vibe on Day 1 is freaking amazing for me.

This might be the most egotistical thing anyone's ever said in an f.ds mafia game, ever.  And that's saying a lot, given some of the personalities (myself very much included) on this site.

What do you mean?

You just wrote that, based on how amazing you have been at mafia on this site for the past two years, we should all just bow to your "scummy vibe" comment as the most, and only, authoritative comment needed to lynch someone.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on October 19, 2015, 10:11:55 am
You just called it "freaking amazing."  How is that not egotistical?

I mean, be egotistical if you want.  It's your choice.  Just, I think it's going to rub more than just me the wrong way.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 19, 2015, 10:14:24 am
I think you misread that ash. I don't think Jimmmm intended it to come off that way.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:17:55 am

Also, given how well I've been doing in Mafia games for the last like 2 years, saying someone has a scummy vibe on Day 1 is freaking amazing for me.

This might be the most egotistical thing anyone's ever said in an f.ds mafia game, ever.  And that's saying a lot, given some of the personalities (myself very much included) on this site.

What do you mean?

You just wrote that, based on how amazing you have been at mafia on this site for the past two years, we should all just bow to your "scummy vibe" comment as the most, and only, authoritative comment needed to lynch someone.

Okay. I'm pretty sure you're deliberately misunderstanding me to try to rile me up (because you want to win the game and that's the way you go about it as a player - please don't accuse me of attacking you personally because I'm not). But for the sake of the argument: I have been very frustrated at my inability in Mafia games in the last fairly long while. I rarely develop any kind of reads early on in the game and then on Day 3 or 4 I force myself to have an opinion based on the little of the game that I've actually read and remembered. So the fact that I'm here, posting, am pretty much up to date, and have some kind of read, even just a vibe, is something of an achievement for me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:27:52 am
okay let's do this then

Somehow that amounts to a decent day 1 scumread?

yes, the points that are not null together amount to a decent scum read. I will show you - here is my quote with all parts erased that I said I considered null

first ash has these two posts

which are def both super scummy, as I've gone over already

then he pushes RR, which is bad. not that bad though. RR is my strongest townread, but I could see town!ash doing it.

also, not a single post of him gives me town vibes.

This leaves 3 points left. #1 are your first 2 posts, #2 is you pushing PR (which is 'bad but not that bad' meaning it gives mild scum points), and #3 is that nothing you did gives me any town feelings. They are enough for a decent day 1 scum read, meaning they amount to a read that has about about average confidence among my set of previous day 1 reads. this average confidence is of course not very high, because mafia is hard and it's day 1.

This is what I meant with the post, it is what I said in my post, and it is what I now reiterated to make it abundantly clear.

You continue to let your personal feelings for how I "wrecked" your fanfiction game by using a plan you thought was "bad" to win the game in a way you didn't like mess with your game.

No... I don't do that at all. First of all, I don't have negative personal feelings towards you.

I keep little files for all persons in my life in my head. Whenever they do something, that adds to their file and my interpretation of this. I do this because I am obsessed with character interpretation. And believe it or not, your file has changed very marginally due to what happened in fanfiction mafia. It basically only confirmed what I thought previously and added some minor touches.

Second of all, there is no evidence for me letting any personal feelings come in the way. Actually, I deliberately avoided confronting you in any way at all to make the chance for this argument happening as small as possible, because I suspected that you would snap as soon as I push your case in any way, no matter how careful I am - because that fits in line with how I interpret your personality - and so I tried not to do that. Until I have to, like I did twice this day; once early on after you made your posts that gave me the initial scum read, and another time now, because I think you might be the best lynch for today. Further dodging you in order to avoid confrontation would be anti town.

At this point, I'm disgusted with it and am pretty much at the point where I feel like we should just avoid playing forum games together.  Which is sad, but it's what happened with Eevee, and I guess can happen again.
You can do that, but I think you're a fascinating person and won't try to avoid playing with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 10:31:14 am
The discussion seems mostly unrelated to the game. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 10:32:11 am
I don't have a read on Ash here.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:35:11 am
The discussion seems mostly unrelated to the game.

I know - that's why I was asking whether I should say anything earlier, but then ash did it first. it's super hard for me not to respond to a post like that.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:35:48 am
This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 10:36:30 am
This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.

That is also town Ash.  In fact scum ash may be slightly less aggressive. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:37:40 am
This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.

That is also town Ash.  In fact scum ash may be slightly less aggressive.

I was about to say that it could also be town ash too - but I don't think scum!ash is slightly less aggressive. Remember the game with faust where he tried to link the mafia championship thing to their confrontation in that game? that gave me a super strong town read on him, but it turned out he was doing it all while being scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:39:17 am
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 10:45:19 am
This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.

That is also town Ash.  In fact scum ash may be slightly less aggressive.

I was about to say that it could also be town ash too - but I don't think scum!ash is slightly less aggressive. Remember the game with faust where he tried to link the mafia championship thing to their confrontation in that game? that gave me a super strong town read on him, but it turned out he was doing it all while being scum.

He had similar kind of actions in Dice Mafia. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 10:46:05 am
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.

Sounds like weaksauce to me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 19, 2015, 10:48:39 am
vote: ash. I remember him saying he does this in a speccy when he is scum
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 19, 2015, 10:49:11 am
That may be L-1. On mobile so hard to check.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 19, 2015, 10:51:18 am
That may be L-1. On mobile so hard to check.

I believe it is L-1.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 10:53:01 am
vote: ash. I remember him saying he does this in a speccy when he is scum

This vote is quite towny.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 10:56:04 am
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.

Sounds like weaksauce to me.

why?

oh, and while we're at it, why do you think I'm scummy?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 11:01:08 am
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.

Sounds like weaksauce to me.

why?

oh, and while we're at it, why do you think I'm scummy?

"Ever so slightly more scummy" strikes me as forced overemphasis.  Like the need to point out that you could be wrong that manifests because you know you are. 

Up until this recent Ash thing you've struck me as characteristically uninvolved.  Something (a particular post) in the early game made me think scum, but I'd have to go back and check what it is. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 11:02:31 am
silver's early-game play did not seem like something he would cook up as scum though. I believe he is town.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: silverspawn on October 19, 2015, 11:04:24 am
"Ever so slightly more scummy" strikes me as forced overemphasis.
and you can't think of any reason why I would do that?

Up until this recent Ash thing you've struck me as characteristically uninvolved.  Something (a particular post) in the early game made me think scum, but I'd have to go back and check what it is.

involvement depends on how much I care, which is out of my control. But I probably would be less involved as scum on avg, so that's fair.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: faust on October 19, 2015, 11:04:46 am
My wagon is full of scummy folks, at least.

I like how SS has all those posts saying everything I've said is null, then calls it a good case.

vote: silverspawn

I'd also point out that this is scummy. Even if that was what silverspawn did, how would it make sense for scum!silver to do that?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 19, 2015, 11:05:26 am
Vote Count 1.7

Faust (1): Hydrad
ashersky (6): Awaclus, Faust, Jimmmmm, silverspawn, Roadrunner, gkrieg13 (L-1)
gkrieg13 (2): Ichimaru Gin, Haddock
Roadrunner (1): chairs
silverspawn (2): ashersky, Witherweaver
Jimmmmm (1): Yuma


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 ends October 22 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 11:05:35 am
silver's early-game play did not seem like something he would cook up as scum though. I believe he is town.

What are you referring to here?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 11:05:51 am
Ash hasn't hammered himself yet, so he's obvscum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on October 19, 2015, 11:07:37 am
vote: ashersky.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 19, 2015, 11:08:56 am
Thread Locked!!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 19, 2015, 11:09:45 am
Vote Count 1.Final

Faust (1): Hydrad
ashersky (7): Awaclus, Faust, Jimmmmm, silverspawn, Roadrunner, gkrieg13, chairs
gkrieg13 (2): Ichimaru Gin, Haddock
silverspawn (2): ashersky, Witherweaver
Jimmmmm (1): Yuma


With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 19, 2015, 11:12:06 am
Ashersky has been lynched. He was the Mafia aligned Doctor Switch.

N1 begins now and will last 48 hours until 10/21 at 11 am forum time. Night actions are due before day start.

Thread Locked!!!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Night 1)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 21, 2015, 11:35:51 am
Silverspawn has been killed in the night. He was a Vanilla Town.

Faust has been killed in the night. He was the Doctor.

Day 2 begins!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 21, 2015, 11:39:26 am
Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (10): Witherweaver, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13, Haddock, Awaclus, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Jimmmmm, Yuma, Chairs

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D2 starts now and ends October 28 at 12 pm noon forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 11:41:04 am
Yay we got scum!  Sucks that our doctor is dead.  Chairs comes off townier from the hammer. 

Let's start with vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 11:42:20 am
Vote: Haddock

is indeed where it's at.

Also, cool that my former top scum reads die during the night.  I guess I'm just awesome at Mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 11:43:52 am
I don't see a whole lot of bus potential on the Ash wagon.  Chairs is possible.  Awaclus would be like a planned strategic bus.  Could happen but Ash isn't the type to go for those.  Jimmm, RR, and Gkrieg are unlikely. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 11:45:22 am
Off wagon: Ichi, Hydrad, Yuma, Haddock.  Nothing jumps out to me from memory about Ichi, Hydrad, Yuma.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 21, 2015, 11:47:45 am
I think people on the ash wagon are looking very non-Mafiay. The obvious suspects to me are yuma and WW. Vote: yuma definitely seems the most sensible.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 11:58:00 am
Awaclus would be like a planned strategic bus.  Could happen but Ash isn't the type to go for those.

I super don't think it could happen. Maybe if there was no SK, but even if it was obvious I'm not on ash's team, unfortunately I'm not even an IC now, so there's no way it would be worth it to commit to bussing a partner as early as I voted for ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 12:01:15 pm
Awaclus would be like a planned strategic bus.  Could happen but Ash isn't the type to go for those.

I super don't think it could happen. Maybe if there was no SK, but even if it was obvious I'm not on ash's team, unfortunately I'm not even an IC now, so there's no way it would be worth it to commit to bussing a partner as early as I voted for ash.

I think you are the one being bussed in this theoretical situation.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 12:03:25 pm
No, if Ash were planning to bus someone it would be Roadrunner.  Awaclus came out against Ash early and (of course) without justification, so I'm saying if there were bussing, it would have been a planned ahead thing. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 12:04:41 pm
No, if Ash were planning to bus someone it would be Roadrunner.  Awaclus came out against Ash early and (of course) without justification, so I'm saying if there were bussing, it would have been a planned ahead thing.

I agree with you that there probably wasn't a planned bus in this situation.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 01:13:43 pm
Yay we got scum!  Sucks that our doctor is dead.  Chairs comes off townier from the hammer. 

Let's start with vote: Haddock

I am not sure I agree. the chairs hammer I felt could very easily have been a desperation scum hammer. He doesn't look nearly as townie as say... well the two townies who died during the night, yourself (gkrieg) or Jimmmmm or RR.

That said, obviously off wagon is the place to look given the lynch was scum and where the NKs took place: Hydrad, Ichi, Haddock, WW, myself.

then if we don't have success we could potentially start to look on wagon, but that shouldn't be the focus today.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 01:16:51 pm
I think people on the ash wagon are looking very non-Mafiay. The obvious suspects to me are yuma and WW. Vote: yuma definitely seems the most sensible.

Why am I more sensible than WW? Or anyone else off wagon for that matter?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 01:21:40 pm
No, if Ash were planning to bus someone it would be Roadrunner.  Awaclus came out against Ash early and (of course) without justification, so I'm saying if there were bussing, it would have been a planned ahead thing.

Was I really the only person who thought that ash was up to some sort of long-game con with how hard he was pushing the newbie RR agenda? Like I was really thinking that he was just belligerently pushing the RR lynch to try and get a whole bunch of reactions to somehow use--not that I thought they ultimately would have been very useful--after revealing that the whole thing was a "trap" of some sort?

I could have seen him doing it as town or even as mafia (maybe that is what he was pretending to do but pushed it too far?) and kept expecting him to have a big reveal moment up until I saw that he was lynched.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 21, 2015, 01:22:40 pm
I think people on the ash wagon are looking very non-Mafiay. The obvious suspects to me are yuma and WW. Vote: yuma definitely seems the most sensible.

Why am I more sensible than WW? Or anyone else off wagon for that matter?

You seemed to be the most actively against the ash lynch.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 01:31:14 pm
I think people on the ash wagon are looking very non-Mafiay. The obvious suspects to me are yuma and WW. Vote: yuma definitely seems the most sensible.

Why am I more sensible than WW? Or anyone else off wagon for that matter?

You seemed to be the most actively against the ash lynch.

I would wager that this was probably true. But are the two things you are connecting true?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 02:10:53 pm
No, if Ash were planning to bus someone it would be Roadrunner.  Awaclus came out against Ash early and (of course) without justification, so I'm saying if there were bussing, it would have been a planned ahead thing.

Was I really the only person who thought that ash was up to some sort of long-game con with how hard he was pushing the newbie RR agenda? Like I was really thinking that he was just belligerently pushing the RR lynch to try and get a whole bunch of reactions to somehow use--not that I thought they ultimately would have been very useful--after revealing that the whole thing was a "trap" of some sort?

I could have seen him doing it as town or even as mafia (maybe that is what he was pretending to do but pushed it too far?) and kept expecting him to have a big reveal moment up until I saw that he was lynched.

Well, I didn't think Ash was scum.  Ash tends to tunnel as town, so I wasn't too put off by it.  The only disingenuous motivation I had thought of yesterday was scum!Ash pushing a newbie town just because he didn't think we'd expect him to do it as scum.  There's an off chance that Ash planned this with RR with the idea that we wouldn't go along with him wanting to lynch a newbie.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 03:27:52 pm
Guess what! Ash tried to vote for me! So that means I'm off the hook, right?

Two things:
I'm sorry Ashersky. I feel like you don't like the way I play Mafia, but it was nothing personal.

Also, I guess Faust wasn't the SK...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 04:10:53 pm
Guess what! Ash tried to vote for me! So that means I'm off the hook, right?

Two things:
I'm sorry Ashersky. I feel like you don't like the way I play Mafia, but it was nothing personal.

Also, I guess Faust wasn't the SK...

It does not mean that you're off the hook. Ash could have done that as your partner, and you could still be the SK. It does mean that you're less likely to be scum, though.

Also, I am not ashersky (because we're both really Wandering Winder) and can't really speak for him, but it's worth noting that he was scum and he was trying to win the game. I would assume that he said everything he said because he was scum trying to win the game, until there's a reason to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 04:17:46 pm
Guess what! Ash tried to vote for me! So that means I'm off the hook, right?

Two things:
I'm sorry Ashersky. I feel like you don't like the way I play Mafia, but it was nothing personal.

Also, I guess Faust wasn't the SK...

It does not mean that you're off the hook. Ash could have done that as your partner, and you could still be the SK. It does mean that you're less likely to be scum, though.

Also, I am not ashersky (because we're both really Wandering Winder) and can't really speak for him, but it's worth noting that he was scum and he was trying to win the game. I would assume that he said everything he said because he was scum trying to win the game, until there's a reason to believe otherwise.
Oh yeah, I could still be the SK, and I guess ashersky is smart enough to have come up with that.

I did join another Mafia game and he /outed as soonas I joined. Coincidence? Maybe. But I still feel bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 04:18:54 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 04:18:57 pm
Also, I am not ashersky (because we're both really Wandering Winder) and can't really speak for him, but it's worth noting that he was scum and he was trying to win the game. I would assume that he said everything he said because he was scum trying to win the game, until there's a reason to believe otherwise.

Now hold on!

I have been purposely ignoring you all game because... well you annoy me.

But I have to jump in here.

Feelings are feelings no matter what. Sometimes people feel things when they are scum. Sometimes when they feel things they are town. Feelings rarely can be fabricated or manipulated to fit the context of a certain situation. Like right now. No matter my alignment. I am pretty annoyed with this statement.

And this idea, this pervasive idea that when people are mafia they aren't allowed to have feelings or be annoyed or frustrated or whatever (and that it all must be made up because they are mafia... and thus the scummy scum of the earth) is the main reason I left this game the first time. I have hopefully learned to not internalize that as much, but I am not going to stand by and let it be thrown out that whatever feelings ash had and expressed here on the forum (whether you agree or like them or not) aren't legitimate and real, regardless of how he tried to use them to his best ability.

That is bull shit. And I am calling it bull shit.

End rant. Not discussing this further because I don't want to derail... but I have been where ash has been before (so has ash, so have others for that matter) and if we want to keep this community as something then we need to stop making it so that people aren't constantly alienated out of this community for being told that their feelings aren't real when in fact they are.

Ash can speak more to this after the game if he wants. But I am saying here and now that I don't like it and I don't tolerate it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 04:19:41 pm
Guess what! Ash tried to vote for me! So that means I'm off the hook, right?

Two things:
I'm sorry Ashersky. I feel like you don't like the way I play Mafia, but it was nothing personal.

Also, I guess Faust wasn't the SK...

It does not mean that you're off the hook. Ash could have done that as your partner, and you could still be the SK. It does mean that you're less likely to be scum, though.

Also, I am not ashersky (because we're both really Wandering Winder) and can't really speak for him, but it's worth noting that he was scum and he was trying to win the game. I would assume that he said everything he said because he was scum trying to win the game, until there's a reason to believe otherwise.
Oh yeah, I could still be the SK, and I guess ashersky is smart enough to have come up with that.

I did join another Mafia game and he /outed as soonas I joined. Coincidence? Maybe. But I still feel bad.

I guarantee that has nothing to do with you
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 04:19:57 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

so did I. What separates WW from me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 04:21:04 pm
Vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 04:36:50 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

so did I. What separates WW from me?
3 things (increasing order of importance)

1) you're not currently voting for me.
2) you haven't drawn attention to the fact that you had the two killed town-members down as scumreads. My thinking is scum!WW wants us to think that surely he would never, as scum, draw attention to that fact. Doublethink, I know, but surely WW would go thay far.
3) WW was active right up until the lynch. You were not.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 04:43:36 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

Interesting, and a misrepresentation. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 04:45:07 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

so did I. What separates WW from me?
3 things (increasing order of importance)

1) you're not currently voting for me.
2) you haven't drawn attention to the fact that you had the two killed town-members down as scumreads. My thinking is scum!WW wants us to think that surely he would never, as scum, draw attention to that fact. Doublethink, I know, but surely WW would go thay far.
3) WW was active right up until the lynch. You were not.

Just because he had time that he could've voted someone doesn't make them scum. I had time to vote for ash but he was a town read to me until the moment he wasn't and I voted for him, which was right before he was lynched.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 04:45:16 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

so did I. What separates WW from me?
3 things (increasing order of importance)

1) you're not currently voting for me.
2) you haven't drawn attention to the fact that you had the two killed town-members down as scumreads. My thinking is scum!WW wants us to think that surely he would never, as scum, draw attention to that fact. Doublethink, I know, but surely WW would go thay far.
3) WW was active right up until the lynch. You were not.

Why would I never draw attention to that fact as scum? 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 04:50:51 pm
Also, I am not ashersky (because we're both really Wandering Winder) and can't really speak for him, but it's worth noting that he was scum and he was trying to win the game. I would assume that he said everything he said because he was scum trying to win the game, until there's a reason to believe otherwise.

Now hold on!

I have been purposely ignoring you all game because... well you annoy me.

But I have to jump in here.

Feelings are feelings no matter what. Sometimes people feel things when they are scum. Sometimes when they feel things they are town. Feelings rarely can be fabricated or manipulated to fit the context of a certain situation. Like right now. No matter my alignment. I am pretty annoyed with this statement.

And this idea, this pervasive idea that when people are mafia they aren't allowed to have feelings or be annoyed or frustrated or whatever (and that it all must be made up because they are mafia... and thus the scummy scum of the earth) is the main reason I left this game the first time. I have hopefully learned to not internalize that as much, but I am not going to stand by and let it be thrown out that whatever feelings ash had and expressed here on the forum (whether you agree or like them or not) aren't legitimate and real, regardless of how he tried to use them to his best ability.

That is bull shit. And I am calling it bull shit.

End rant. Not discussing this further because I don't want to derail... but I have been where ash has been before (so has ash, so have others for that matter) and if we want to keep this community as something then we need to stop making it so that people aren't constantly alienated out of this community for being told that their feelings aren't real when in fact they are.

Ash can speak more to this after the game if he wants. But I am saying here and now that I don't like it and I don't tolerate it.

I said I can't speak for ashersky. You can't speak for him either.

I wasn't really suggesting that people can't have feelings when they are scum in particular, just that it makes a lot more sense to pretend to have feelings you really don't have when you're scum. Obviously there are also times when it's beneficial for town to pretend to have feelings they really don't have, but this wasn't one of those times (and not just because ash was evidently not town).

Also, all of us have a lot of feelings that are in no way apparent from the posts we write. They could be if this was IRL, but we're just typing stuff by hitting keys on our keyboards and have all the time in the world to do so. It's not really difficult to manipulate what keys you hit. If you let your feelings hurt your alignment, that's just bad play.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 04:58:32 pm
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So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 05:08:47 pm
I still promised myself not to read anything Awaclus, said, but I don't think the statement in regards to Ashersky is off here, at least not how I read it.   
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 05:09:59 pm
Or maybe I missed something in what Ash said yesterday.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 05:22:30 pm
Is anyone going to vote for me?

I'm not very experienced at Mafia, but if I didn't like RR's character (which a lot of you don't), I would say something like this:

First, the Mafia told RR to act clueless.
They then tried to pin the blame on RR, knowing no one would vote for him.
Ashersky wasn't supposed to die, gkreig was supposed to go down.
When RR was found out, the remaining Mafia would've been the ones who originally voted for RR on day one or two.
Or something like that. Is anyone planning on voting for me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 05:23:54 pm
....

I just don't know how to read that.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 05:24:26 pm
Is anyone going to vote for me?

I'm not very experienced at Mafia, but if I didn't like RR's character (which a lot of you don't), I would say something like this:

First, the Mafia told RR to act clueless.
They then tried to pin the blame on RR, knowing no one would vote for him.
Ashersky wasn't supposed to die, gkreig was supposed to go down.
When RR was found out, the remaining Mafia would've been the ones who originally voted for RR on day one or two.
Or something like that. Is anyone planning on voting for me?

Uh... What?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 05:32:20 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

Interesting, and a misrepresentation.

Is it?  I have several quotes of you defending ash:

I don't have a read on Ash here.

This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.

That is also town Ash.  In fact scum ash may be slightly less aggressive.
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.

Sounds like weaksauce to me.

The only thing you did which supports the ash wagon was saying that he's obviously scum because he hasn't selfhammered.  Which reads like a joke to me; in any case, you didn't hammer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally desperate to lynch you.  I'm just trying to point out to gkrieg that it doesn't really make sense for him to vote me just for being offwagon, when you were offwagon and also defending ash.
Maybe gkrieg has other reasons to vote me, in which case I'd love to hear them.

Is anyone going to vote for me?

I'm not very experienced at Mafia, but if I didn't like RR's character (which a lot of you don't), I would say something like this:

First, the Mafia told RR to act clueless.
They then tried to pin the blame on RR, knowing no one would vote for him.
Ashersky wasn't supposed to die, gkreig was supposed to go down.
When RR was found out, the remaining Mafia would've been the ones who originally voted for RR on day one or two.
Or something like that. Is anyone planning on voting for me?
Huh?  I understand your question, I guess.  The answer is no, right now I'm not planning to vote for you.  But I could see myself voting for you eventually maybe.  You're hard to read.

But I don't understand all of your post prior to your question.  What are you trying to say?

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 05:34:08 pm
What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 05:37:48 pm
What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
No I'm asking you what your most recent post (other than the quoted one) means.  I don't understand any of it, except the last bit of it, (the question) which I do understand.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 05:38:48 pm
Let's start with vote: Haddock
Really? WW defends ash to his last breath and its me you vote for? I wasn't even here at the time!
Im going to vote: witherweaver. He had so many opportunities to vote ash.

Interesting, and a misrepresentation.

Is it?  I have several quotes of you defending ash:

I don't have a read on Ash here.

This is scum ash. He tries to get out of it by being aggressive and trying to make people feel bad for voting for him.

That is also town Ash.  In fact scum ash may be slightly less aggressive.
I think town!ash is a bit more likely to make sense and less likely to misinterpret things, so the confrontation with jimmmm makes him ever so slightly more scummy.

Sounds like weaksauce to me.


Hence, a misrepresentation.  This is not 'defending to my last breath'.  Also, I stand by what I said.  He did not act greatly differently here than he does as town.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 05:41:54 pm
Hence, a misrepresentation.  This is not 'defending to my last breath'.  Also, I stand by what I said.  He did not act greatly differently here than he does as town.

He did though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 05:45:13 pm
Also, I stand by what I said.  He did not act greatly differently here than he does as town.

I agree.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 05:45:47 pm

The only thing you did which supports the ash wagon was saying that he's obviously scum because he hasn't selfhammered.  Which reads like a joke to me; in any case, you didn't hammer.


It was a joke.  Ash had just hammered himself as town in another game.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally desperate to lynch you.  I'm just trying to point out to gkrieg that it doesn't really make sense for him to vote me just for being offwagon, when you were offwagon and also defending ash.
Maybe gkrieg has other reasons to vote me, in which case I'd love to hear them.

Scum partners generally don't like to come out and make statements about their partners because, well, they get analyzed if one flips.  They're more likely to try to direct the conversation/focus away without being too noticeable. 

I'm voting for you because, once I saw Ash flip scum I immediately threw out all my other thoughts (Silver could (probably) no longer be scum, Faust could no longer be scum, most others on his wagon were probably not scum), and I thought you had to be the partner.  I don't remember why I thought that, but I remember that I did.

I think a big part of it was I was getting scum feelings on you as the day went on, you never really landed anywhere on Ash, and by the end of the day you were voting Gkrieg... actually, I think it was the Gkrieg vote that gave me strongest scum vibes.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 21, 2015, 05:46:11 pm
....

I just don't know how to read that.

....
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 05:47:24 pm
....

I just don't know how to read that.

....

....
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 05:58:15 pm
by the end of the day you were voting Gkrieg... actually, I think it was the Gkrieg vote that gave me strongest scum vibes.
... OK this you'll have to explain to me.  How was my voting gkrieg scummy?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 06:00:15 pm
by the end of the day you were voting Gkrieg... actually, I think it was the Gkrieg vote that gave me strongest scum vibes.
... OK this you'll have to explain to me.  How was my voting gkrieg scummy?

Why does he have to explain that to you? It doesn't really prevent him from voting for you if you don't understand how you're scummy. If you want to do something about it, you should explain to him how it was not scummy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 06:00:38 pm
What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
No I'm asking you what your most recent post (other than the quoted one) means.  I don't understand any of it, except the last bit of it, (the question) which I do understand.
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.

The plan is supposed to sound crazy and confusing, that is why it would never happen/work.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 06:05:01 pm
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.

The plan is supposed to sound crazy and confusing, that is why it would never happen/work.

PPE: 2

Anyone can come up with an unlikely scenario where they're mafia. That's not really a good defense (well, it's not like you really need to defend yourself at this point anyway, but still).
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 06:05:07 pm
So the vote is here

Couple of pages to catch up.

Before anything else, WW I'd like to know what you meant by
Haddock has acted scummier...
Are you saying that I have acted scummier than some other person?  Or are you saying I've acted scummier in this game than I currently am acting?  I honestly don't know which you mean.

That done with:

This yuma vs. faust thing is really hard for me to read.  If they're both scum then they've played this very well indeed.
Overall I think yuma comes out just on top, ie. I think the whole thing makes faust look ever-so-slightly scummy.  But nothing yuma has said against faust has convinced me that the case against gkrieg is less good than it always was.

And now gkrieg has claimed to have a town read on chairs.  This just doesn't make any sense to me.  Chairs hasn't said anything.  I accept that quietness might be chairs's usual behaviour, which is why I'm no longer voting for him.  But seriously, with the amount that chairs has said can anyone really get a town read on him?  Null at best, for me.

All that said, vote: gkrieg.

and I think that put him at L-2 at the time?  It's not much of a reason in the first place and you stretched it out for a bunch of sentences.  The timing has the feeling of scum getting on a mislynch.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 06:09:31 pm
Why does he have to explain that to you? It doesn't really prevent him from voting for you if you don't understand how you're scummy. If you want to do something about it, you should explain to him how it was not scummy.
That implies that voting for people is inherently scummy until proven otherwise.  Which is just wrong.  It's anti-town to not vote for anyone. 

What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
No I'm asking you what your most recent post (other than the quoted one) means.  I don't understand any of it, except the last bit of it, (the question) which I do understand.
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.
Nope, I still don't entirely get it.  You're suggesting that the only way you're mafia is that mafia coached you to fake cluelessness, then would try to get you killed but intentionally fail and lynch gkrieg instead?  I agree, that's a crazy plan.  But the craziness of that particular plan doesn't exactly make you an IC.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 06:09:46 pm
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.

The plan is supposed to sound crazy and confusing, that is why it would never happen/work.

PPE: 2

Anyone can come up with an unlikely scenario where they're mafia. That's not really a good defense (well, it's not like you really need to defend yourself at this point anyway, but still).
I think at this point, the more I open my mouth (not literally) the more likely it is that someone will vote for me.

That being said, I have Scout at #101 on Qvist's rankings.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 06:11:01 pm
Why does he have to explain that to you? It doesn't really prevent him from voting for you if you don't understand how you're scummy. If you want to do something about it, you should explain to him how it was not scummy.
That implies that voting for people is inherently scummy until proven otherwise.  Which is just wrong.  It's anti-town to not vote for anyone. 

What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
No I'm asking you what your most recent post (other than the quoted one) means.  I don't understand any of it, except the last bit of it, (the question) which I do understand.
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.
Nope, I still don't entirely get it.  You're suggesting that the only way you're mafia is that mafia coached you to fake cluelessness, then would try to get you killed but intentionally fail and lynch gkrieg instead?  I agree, that's a crazy plan.  But the craziness of that particular plan doesn't exactly make you an IC.

PPE: 2
Can you think of a more likely scernario that would involve me being Mafia? I mean, a Mafia tried to lynch me, and I'm either a great actor or completely clueless.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 06:11:08 pm
As much as Ichi ever said about Ash, I think:

Ashersky: I don't recall much about his posts this game. I'm not sure why he's suspected. I should probably reread a bit since I mostly skimmed

Mildly suspicious.  He was on Gkrieg and didn't move it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 06:11:28 pm
Why does he have to explain that to you? It doesn't really prevent him from voting for you if you don't understand how you're scummy. If you want to do something about it, you should explain to him how it was not scummy.
That implies that voting for people is inherently scummy until proven otherwise.  Which is just wrong.  It's anti-town to not vote for anyone. 

What was I posting prior to my most recent posts? Is that the question you are asking?
No I'm asking you what your most recent post (other than the quoted one) means.  I don't understand any of it, except the last bit of it, (the question) which I do understand.
It's a really complicated plan (if I was Mafia) that involves me faking my cluelessness, the Mafia trying to kill me, and us lynching gkreig. When I was lynched, my Mafia buddies would've been 'trying' to lynch me all game, so no on would suspect them of being Mafia.
Nope, I still don't entirely get it.  You're suggesting that the only way you're mafia is that mafia coached you to fake cluelessness, then would try to get you killed but intentionally fail and lynch gkrieg instead?  I agree, that's a crazy plan.  But the craziness of that particular plan doesn't exactly make you an IC.

PPE: 2
Can you think of a more likely scernario that would involve me being Mafia? I mean, a Mafia tried to lynch me, and I'm either a great actor or completely clueless.

How about less talk about you not being Mafia and more talk about who is Mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 06:11:59 pm
Haddock on Ash:

OK so here's my reads list.

Ashersky:  Not said huge amounts recently.  People seemed to find him scummy early on.  I remember thinking him slightly scummy, but can't remember why.  Null-to-mild scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 06:15:38 pm
I think it's WW, Yuma, chairs or haddock. Or IG.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 06:15:43 pm
and I think that put him at L-2 at the time?  It's not much of a reason in the first place and you stretched it out for a bunch of sentences.  The timing has the feeling of scum getting on a mislynch.
Wait, suddenly putting people at L-2 is a scummy thing to do?  I seem to remember making a comment about some L-2 wagons early on and getting called scummy just for suggesting that the people on the L-2 wagons start contributing to the game.

But yeah OK the reasons I give in that post are clearly not enough for a gkrieg lynch.  There was already a decent case against him, I think it had been put forward by faust?  I didn't feel the need to repeat it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 21, 2015, 06:17:11 pm
That implies that voting for people is inherently scummy until proven otherwise.  Which is just wrong.  It's anti-town to not vote for anyone.

No, it just implies that there is no need for you to know why people are voting for you others don't have to convince you that you're scum before they can vote for you, you have to convince others that you're town if you want them to stop.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 06:19:25 pm
and I think that put him at L-2 at the time?  It's not much of a reason in the first place and you stretched it out for a bunch of sentences.  The timing has the feeling of scum getting on a mislynch.
Wait, suddenly putting people at L-2 is a scummy thing to do?  I seem to remember making a comment about some L-2 wagons early on and getting called scummy just for suggesting that the people on the L-2 wagons start contributing to the game.

But yeah OK the reasons I give in that post are clearly not enough for a gkrieg lynch.  There was already a decent case against him, I think it had been put forward by faust?  I didn't feel the need to repeat it.

L-2 isn't; at that point in the game I think it was moreso.  You didn't feel you needed to repeat Faust's argument but you felt you needed to write a paragraph about another point.

Anyway, this is generally why I don't like to give detailed explanations of things.  I obviously can't show you that you're scum or fully justify the feeling.  If you're scum you want details so that you can discredit them, and if you're town you just know I'm wrong.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Haddock on October 21, 2015, 06:22:15 pm
No, it just implies that there is no need for you to know why people are voting for you others don't have to convince you that you're scum before they can vote for you, you have to convince others that you're town if you want them to stop.
So what you're saying here is that voting for someone is not in itself a scummy thing to do.  Right?

So why was my vote for gkrieg scummy?  Is what I'm asking WW. 

You didn't feel you needed to repeat Faust's argument but you felt you needed to write a paragraph about another point.
Well, obviously.  Repeating someone else's arguments isn't exactly productive.  Making a new point is worth a few sentences.  At this point you seem to be finding my vote scummy because I was too wordy about it?  Well get used to it, buddy, I like my words.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Hydrad on October 21, 2015, 06:54:22 pm
Vote: Haddock

Nice lynch! bad SK. why do SK's never seem to hit scum.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 21, 2015, 07:01:12 pm
I don't feel so good about lynching Haddock, but I don't feel awful about it either. I want to hear him defend himself more. But unvote. As of right now I think it'll come down to Haddock or WW.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 21, 2015, 07:03:28 pm
Ok phone post. I should be back at a computer in a couple hours. I was just waking up around the time ash got hammered. Ashersky is someone who i recall little direct interaction with across all my games here; I also find him very difficult to read. I guess i tend to rely on others who seem to be more adept at that.

More thoughts later when i can sit down and analyze stuff.
Ppe:1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 21, 2015, 07:09:59 pm
Vote Count 2.1

Haddock (3): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad
Yuma (1): Jimmmmm
Witherweaver (1): Haddock

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Yuma, Chairs, Roadrunner7671

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D2 ends October 28 at 12 pm noon forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 21, 2015, 08:23:07 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 08:24:15 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 21, 2015, 08:38:48 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?

...for some reason I thought he'd made that joke. XD

Well, all's well that ends well I guess!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 08:42:50 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?

...for some reason I thought he'd made that joke. XD

Well, all's well that ends well I guess!

Or you could take this moment and use it as a learning experience, not all of us have dumb hammers that end up being so positive (me for example...)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 09:01:57 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?

...for some reason I thought he'd made that joke. XD

Well, all's well that ends well I guess!

Sigh
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 21, 2015, 09:16:36 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?

...for some reason I thought he'd made that joke. XD

Well, all's well that ends well I guess!

Sigh
Frustrated your partner died based on a misunderstanding?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 09:17:59 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get behind vote: haddock.

I have to admit that I was null on ash at best D1, but when he made the selfhammer joke, that came off scummy to me. scum!ash gets crazy dangerous after D1 so I'm glad we knocked him out early.

...you mean the joke I made?

...for some reason I thought he'd made that joke. XD

Well, all's well that ends well I guess!

Sigh
Frustrated your partner died based on a misunderstanding?

Nailed it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 21, 2015, 10:37:43 pm
If he were my partner,  I would have just stayed inactive at the end instead of hammering.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 21, 2015, 10:41:42 pm
Yeah. I don't think chairs is one of Ash's partners.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 21, 2015, 11:22:59 pm
Yeah. I don't think chairs is one of Ash's partners.

He is the likeliest of those on wagon if you ask me. Maybe tied with... Desperation bus hammering is a thing. See axxle in adventure time mafia. Hammered partner raerae day1 and that almost led him to a win at the end... But not quite... My getting lynched day2 didn't help
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on October 22, 2015, 01:44:36 am
So why was my vote for gkrieg scummy?  Is what I'm asking WW.

You don't need to know that. He is allowed to vote for you even if you don't know why.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 22, 2015, 04:05:50 am
So why was my vote for gkrieg scummy?  Is what I'm asking WW.

You don't need to know that. He is allowed to vote for you even if you don't know why.
You're still not getting my point. But that's ok, you don't have to get my point, I'm sure WW does.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 11:24:45 am
vote: ash. I remember him saying he does this in a speccy when he is scum

which scum QT was this? I just read through the fanfiction one and didn't see anything there that talked about this...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 11:44:06 am
after rereading the build up of the ash wagon this is the moment that stood out to me the most:

My wagon is full of scummy folks, at least.

I like how SS has all those posts saying everything I've said is null, then calls it a good case.

vote: silverspawn

followed by:

Vote: Silverspawn

At this point ash was at L-2 and, with hindsight granted, the lynch looked pretty much a done deal. I generally don't think that scum buddies interact with each other in such a straightforward way, following each other like this, but I can't help but think that it might have been a move of desperation to maybe get some heat of ash and some onto SS in hopes of luring some who were on the ash wagon onto SS or enticing some who weren't voting for ash to not vote for him and vote for SS instead...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 11:44:47 am
or is that just too blatant of scum play to be even possible?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 22, 2015, 12:05:06 pm
or is that just too blatant of scum play to be even possible?

Well I can tell you that I'm not scum; joining with your partner like that is possible, but it's hard to make yourself do that, and the only purpose would be to appeal to this kind of argument. 

Here, I just thought Ash was town and Silverspawn was scum.  I probably wasn't going to vote for Ash unless something changed my mind.  I was previously on Gkrieg, though that wagon died, and even before it did I started to feel not great about it.  (It started to feel like a mislynch as some point).  So I supported the Silver wagon.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 12:51:51 pm
I feel that...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 22, 2015, 01:19:04 pm
Can somebody compile a list of who ash voted for D1? I think that might be interesting information.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 22, 2015, 01:22:07 pm
Can somebody compile a list of who ash voted for D1? I think that might be interesting information.

Sure:

#71: Silverspawn (RVS)
#173: Silverspawn (never unvoted)
#240: Roadrunner7671
#389: Silverspawn
#398: Awaclus (?)
#575: Roadrunner7671
#593: Silverspawn


Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 01:23:22 pm
Can somebody compile a list of who ash voted for D1? I think that might be interesting information.

#71 - SS
#173 - SS
#240 - RR
#389 - SS
#398 - Awaclus
#575 - RR
#593 - SS

Interesting, but not all together useful
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 01:23:40 pm
man... WW gets the prize and get jack squat...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 22, 2015, 01:25:39 pm
Ash vote history.

#71 silverspawn
#173 silverspawn again
#240 Roadrunner
#389 back to silverspawn
#398 Awaclus
#575 Roadrunner
#593 silverspawn


And that's it. I don't think I missed any. Major thing I'm getting out of it is just how many times he voted silverspawn. If silver wasn't dead, I'd think it was some weird partner interaction since I don't recall silver being a lynch people were really considering.
PPE: 3  :'(
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 01:27:51 pm
^regretting your choice of killing silver in the night?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 22, 2015, 01:28:09 pm
^regretting your choice of killing silver in the night?
Nailed it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 01:29:07 pm
^regretting your choice of killing silver in the night?
Nailed it.

You and me both! Who do I get to say that catchphrase to next?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 22, 2015, 01:30:08 pm
^regretting your choice of killing silver in the night?
Nailed it.

You and me both! Who do I get to say that catchphrase to next?

The next person that nails it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 22, 2015, 01:42:06 pm
Ash vote history.

#71 silverspawn
#173 silverspawn again
#240 Roadrunner
#389 back to silverspawn
#398 Awaclus
#575 Roadrunner
#593 silverspawn


And that's it. I don't think I missed any. Major thing I'm getting out of it is just how many times he voted silverspawn. If silver wasn't dead, I'd think it was some weird partner interaction since I don't recall silver being a lynch people were really considering.
PPE: 3  :'(

See, for me this makes me feel very Town on Roadrunner, because I don't think scum!ash votes his partners D1 unless he thinks it'll give him a lot of credit. It's null on awaclus, though, because awaclus!awaclus means ash could partner vote there and it not seem out of place either way.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 22, 2015, 01:43:44 pm
I honestly have to say, because of D2, I kind of feel like yuma is coming off a little scum!yuma. The way he's interacting with everyone just feels... off, somehow. I wish I could explain better.

vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 01:49:14 pm
I wish I could explain better.

Me too... then I could respond better.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 22, 2015, 02:41:08 pm
vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 22, 2015, 02:41:55 pm
Your posts seem to jokey for town!yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 02:43:00 pm
Your posts seem to jokey for town!yuma

you were really focused on yourself as scum in Fanfiction mafia weren't you...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 22, 2015, 02:43:58 pm
Your posts seem to jokey for town!yuma

you were really focused on yourself as scum in Fanfiction mafia weren't you...

That's actually probably true...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 22, 2015, 06:40:21 pm
I honestly have to say, because of D2, I kind of feel like yuma is coming off a little scum!yuma. The way he's interacting with everyone just feels... off, somehow. I wish I could explain better.

vote: yuma

Which posts are you referring to?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 22, 2015, 06:53:53 pm
I honestly have to say, because of D2, I kind of feel like yuma is coming off a little scum!yuma. The way he's interacting with everyone just feels... off, somehow. I wish I could explain better.

vote: yuma

Which posts are you referring to?

Quote
So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.

^regretting your choice of killing silver in the night?
Nailed it.

You and me both! Who do I get to say that catchphrase to next?


I think these are the two that trigger it for me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 22, 2015, 06:57:23 pm
I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't more backlash against yuma (and to some degree WW) for opposing the ash lynch. At some point I'll look at they're posts leading up to the end of Day 1 and see how substantial I think they are.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 22, 2015, 06:57:50 pm
You are right that first post in response to Awaclus should have said this:

and oh fuck it why do I even bother talking this is just going to get a pointless response to lead to more pointlessness.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 22, 2015, 07:07:48 pm
I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't more backlash against yuma (and to some degree WW) for opposing the ash lynch. At some point I'll look at they're posts leading up to the end of Day 1 and see how substantial I think they are.

I guess it's fair, but I was just wrong.  I think if you read my interactions with Ash throughout the entire day you'll see partnership should look unlikely. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 22, 2015, 07:09:29 pm
I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't more backlash against yuma (and to some degree WW) for opposing the ash lynch. At some point I'll look at they're posts leading up to the end of Day 1 and see how substantial I think they are.

I guess it's fair, but I was just wrong.  I think if you read my interactions with Ash throughout the entire day you'll see partnership should look unlikely.

Anything in particular you want to point out, or just what's been said?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 22, 2015, 09:11:22 pm
I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't more backlash against yuma (and to some degree WW) for opposing the ash lynch. At some point I'll look at they're posts leading up to the end of Day 1 and see how substantial I think they are.

I guess it's fair, but I was just wrong.  I think if you read my interactions with Ash throughout the entire day you'll see partnership should look unlikely.

Anything in particular you want to point out, or just what's been said?

The early stuff, like there was one post where Ash said something like "WW you're in this game!  Are you scum?" And we joked about Masons, etc.  You can say those things can be constructed, but I know they weren't, and I think that should somehow be realizable on reading.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 22, 2015, 10:34:32 pm
I think yuma is more scummish than WW.

I'm mostly posting so that I don't get poked. As usual, I have nothing to add to the conversation.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Hydrad on October 22, 2015, 11:29:41 pm
i think ww is town.

also I know how you feel roadrunner. I find it hard for me to add actual info in my posts and they end up being empty a bunch of the time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 23, 2015, 06:36:00 am


also I know how you feel roadrunner. I find it hard for me to add actual info in my posts and they end up being empty a bunch of the time.
The game is really fun, but I think I've lost my original buzz. Faust and SS, both people who contributed a lot, are gone. Wiped out from our community. To never be seen again. It really makes you think.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 23, 2015, 10:18:12 am
Vote Count 2.2

Haddock (2): Witherweaver, Hydrad
Yuma (3): Jimmmmm, Chairs, gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Haddock

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, Yuma, Roadrunner7671

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D2 ends October 28 at 12 pm noon forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 23, 2015, 01:52:02 pm
@Haddock: What do you think of yuma?

@yuma: what do you think of Haddock?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 23, 2015, 01:54:49 pm
@yuma: what do you think of Haddock?

for starters needs to setup a goko username so I can "Ctrl F" his posts...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 23, 2015, 02:04:46 pm
@Haddock: What do you think of yuma?

I reread him by "Ctrl F" posts: 134 for those who want to do the same....

Not a lot jumped out at me. The main thing was that he had a perfectly null read on ashersky, which is something I have seen scum do on partners a lot. But that "reads" post was before ashersky really blew up and wasn't really the focal point, so I don't know if I put too much stock into that as it conceivably could have been just not having a read on him by being more focused on other items.

There was some early defense of ash, but he also defended faust and someone else when they got to L-1 or L-2 so that felt more like a paranoia of an early lynch, which again is often a scumtell.

As for how ash interacted with him, I would say that he didn't really... which isn't very ashersky to me at all. Honestly I would expect ash to interact how he did with RR (but on a much lower level) early than basically completely ignoring him...

And I see his points on WW and think they might have some merit, but as mentioned above I am struggling with seeing WW play that blatantly in defending a partner

So I think by default he is scummier being off wagon, but I don't know if he would be a better lynch than WW (who has direct ties to ash) or ichi/hydrad (who don't either)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 23, 2015, 02:13:49 pm
As for how ash interacted with him, I would say that he didn't really... which isn't very ashersky to me at all. Honestly I would expect ash to interact how he did with RR (but on a much lower level) early than basically completely ignoring him...

In my scum games with Ashersky, I've felt he's had very minimal interactions with me.  I remember one game where I was kind of arguing/debating things he was saying and he didn't respond. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 23, 2015, 02:17:59 pm
As for how ash interacted with him, I would say that he didn't really... which isn't very ashersky to me at all. Honestly I would expect ash to interact how he did with RR (but on a much lower level) early than basically completely ignoring him...

In my scum games with Ashersky, I've felt he's had very minimal interactions with me.  I remember one game where I was kind of arguing/debating things he was saying and he didn't respond.

Hmm... Then I don't know. I know last game he didn't interact much with gkrieg (or Awaclus) but that was such a weird game because of the Mason claim.

But the times I have been partners with ash we had some pretty epic sized arguments/interactions... see Mean Girls Mafia for example where I counter-fakeclaimed his fakeclaim... and I know he has done similar things with others.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 23, 2015, 02:40:50 pm
As for how ash interacted with him, I would say that he didn't really... which isn't very ashersky to me at all. Honestly I would expect ash to interact how he did with RR (but on a much lower level) early than basically completely ignoring him...

In my scum games with Ashersky, I've felt he's had very minimal interactions with me.  I remember one game where I was kind of arguing/debating things he was saying and he didn't respond.

I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Hmm... Then I don't know. I know last game he didn't interact much with gkrieg (or Awaclus) but that was such a weird game because of the Mason claim.

But the times I have been partners with ash we had some pretty epic sized arguments/interactions... see Mean Girls Mafia for example where I counter-fakeclaimed his fakeclaim... and I know he has done similar things with others.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 23, 2015, 02:41:38 pm
As for how ash interacted with him, I would say that he didn't really... which isn't very ashersky to me at all. Honestly I would expect ash to interact how he did with RR (but on a much lower level) early than basically completely ignoring him...

In my scum games with Ashersky, I've felt he's had very minimal interactions with me.  I remember one game where I was kind of arguing/debating things he was saying and he didn't respond.



Hmm... Then I don't know. I know last game he didn't interact much with gkrieg (or Awaclus) but that was such a weird game because of the Mason claim.

But the times I have been partners with ash we had some pretty epic sized arguments/interactions... see Mean Girls Mafia for example where I counter-fakeclaimed his fakeclaim... and I know he has done similar things with others.

?

Somehow my post didn't post?

Oh I got the quote stuff wrong. 

I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 23, 2015, 02:48:46 pm
I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Well, it is impossible to not interact with everyone. At the very least, you're interacting through non-interaction.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 23, 2015, 03:03:50 pm
I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Well, it is impossible to not interact with everyone. At the very least, you're interacting through non-interaction.

This is me not interacting with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 23, 2015, 03:04:24 pm
I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Well, it is impossible to not interact with everyone. At the very least, you're interacting through non-interaction.

You know what I mean.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 23, 2015, 03:04:38 pm
I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Well, it is impossible to not interact with everyone. At the very least, you're interacting through non-interaction.

This is me not interacting with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 23, 2015, 03:06:49 pm
I think that is different with you because you are much louder than most other mafia players.  It is impossible to not interact with you...

Well, it is impossible to not interact with everyone. At the very least, you're interacting through non-interaction.

This is me not interacting with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2015, 06:08:41 pm
OK I'm back.  I know I didn't say I was going anywhere, apologies for that folks.  I didn't really mean to go anywhere, I just haven't had time the last few evenings.  Here now though.  And I've been keeping an eye on things at least.

I will reread yuma now, back shortly.

Is there anyone who hasn't posted D2?  It's been fairly sparse in general but I don't think anyone is entirely missing.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 23, 2015, 06:20:27 pm
I'm pretty busy studying for my exam, but I should be able to post a bit this weekend.
I feel like I'm not really seeing people make cases or have many scumreads, which I find interesting. It seems like everyone's mostly getting along.
Granted, I haven't done that either, but I find the overall trend notable I guess.

I also feel some scum vibes from yuma. He reads like he's playing very cautiously to me. Still, I know there could be other reasons for that, so I kinda want to give him the benefit of the doubt at that point. Maybe that's naive of me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 23, 2015, 06:53:31 pm
OK so I've reread yuma now.  Couple of things come out of it.
Firstly, his part in the argument about whether we should talk about switches.  I'd forgotten he had such a big say in it, but he does end up saying quite a lot.  The weird thing is I agree that completely censoring a topic was a bad thing, but the whole thing went on for so long that everyone who said anything in it ended up feeling a bit scummy to me.  So yeah minor scum points for that, he makes no posts except about the switch discussion for a large chunk of D1.

After that he makes a lot of anecdotes about previous games, still not really contributing much.  First major point is his case against faust, which actually isn't a bad case it seems to me, I can see where he comes from.  Not much to deduce from that.  (I want to apologise to WW, on reread I can definitely get behind the scumread on faust, he somehow looks scummier now that I know he's town than he did at the time.)  Then he refuses to continue defending his viewpoint on faust, which actually reads fairly genuine, so his case on faust is still null to me.

The ash thing.  I'mma take back what I said about WW.  On reread, yuma and WW saw ash's behaviour as being within his meta right from the start.  This makes the later defense of ash, because there's two of them doing it, seem much better generally, for some reason.  So unvote: WW.

D2 yuma seems way more invested in the game.  I can only assume that he's aware that his defense of ash is going to look suspicious.  So he's contributing more.  Also the game has just got more interesting.  But there's not much content in his posts, just like there hasn't been much content in anyone's posts today.  Other than yuma's feelings rant there's not much going on.  The rant again feels genuine, no way to take anything from it.

The main thing I don't like about yuma is his tendency to keep going back to meta anecdotes.  Bothers me a bit, like he's not contributing based on the content of the current game.  That's the main thing that comes out at me on reread.  Not enough for a vote at this point.

Bah, today is tough.  Gonna leave my vote on noone for now.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 24, 2015, 12:47:37 am
FYI: I will be probably effectively v/la starting now for the weekend. - Royals are back in the big enchilada baby!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 11:24:40 am
Vote: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 12:38:57 pm
Vote: yuma

well poop
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 01:41:08 pm
You know. I really just have this overwhelming sense that yuma is scum right now.
I know what I said before, but this response...everything else. It feels just like how frustrated scum would react after they've had a fair amount of suspicion on them and their partner got lynched D1. He just doesn't seem to be fighting at all.
faust being killed also makes me suspicious.

So vote: yuma

That's L-1 I believe.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 01:45:46 pm
I'm not super against a yuma lynch at this moment, but I want to re-read before making a decision.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 24, 2015, 01:46:06 pm
Vote Count 2.3

Haddock (2): Witherweaver, Hydrad
Yuma (5): Jimmmmm, Chairs, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin (L-1)

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Yuma, Haddock

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D2 ends October 28 at 12 pm noon forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 01:53:28 pm
Ichi, or someone please unvote momentarily. I have something to say and then if you want to vote me again you can...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 01:54:06 pm
ok unvote can't hurt.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 01:59:51 pm
Thanks!

I claim serial killer.

This is why I am so just... Ugh with this game. I mean I know I am going to be lynched eventually but all for the wrong reasons.

This is actually one time that feeling actually applies. Like there is no chance that I can ever have a chance of surviving this game long enough to do much of anything. Like I am doomed to eventually be lynched because of my interactions with ashersky. So what is even the point?

At this point I know claiming this basically ensures my death, but at this point I am already dead, it is just a matter of time.

It might even mean that I am going to be lynched like right now... But mostly I am hoping that you leave me alive long enough to shoot awaclus. Cause that sounds fun to me. (Gotta get some level of enjoyment out of this game...

Plus the longer the SK is alive the longer the potentially better it is for town (to an extent) because once the SK is dead the mafia has full control of switches...

So I guess decide to do what you want. Just let me take out awaclus in the process, cause he could be mafia and well... it would just make me happy.

(this is why I asked Ichi to unvote. I didn't want awaclus to just hammer me immediately after typing this)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:04:28 pm
I think Awalcus is town. And you're trying to make this personal.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 02:05:28 pm
I think Awalcus is town. And you're trying to make this personal.

of course it is personal... I am a person.

if you don't want me to shoot awaclus then I guess just lynch me. I am going to die anyways via mafia or the vig at some point...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 02:06:22 pm
i mean I suppose I could try and be convinced to use my shot elsewhere... but then you would have to trust me to use it on that person and not on awaclus. And I can't guarantee that... But I could try to guarantee it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 02:08:05 pm
anyways I'll be back in a bit. Let me know what you decide. But I would advice maybe having someone else unvote so that after awaclus votes for me (cause why wouldn't he) some other mafia can't just swoop in an hammer me (if the two aren't already voting for me...)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:08:43 pm
Vote: yuma

i mean I suppose I could try and be convinced to use my shot elsewhere... but then you would have to trust me to use it on that person and not on awaclus. And I can't guarantee that... But I could try to guarantee it.

Well, you're clearly not playing towards your win con, so there's absolutely no reason at all to trust you on anything.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:09:47 pm
i mean I suppose I could try and be convinced to use my shot elsewhere... but then you would have to trust me to use it on that person and not on awaclus. And I can't guarantee that... But I could try to guarantee it.
I am a complete Mafia noob, but claiming SK seems like a terrible idea, especially when you are going to kill someone who no one wants to lynch. The serial killer is scum. You are claiming scum. Why wouldn't we kill you?

And since I am trying so hard to get you killed, you will probably kill my tonight if you live on.

PPE: 2
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:11:58 pm
Also, I super don't care if you get hammered by mafia or town. Either way, it benefits both factions.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:12:27 pm
Now is IG's chance to hammer him with the sixth vote!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:13:07 pm
What does L-1 and L-2 mean? I thought it meant Lynch One and Lynch Two, but now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:14:34 pm
What does L-1 and L-2 mean? I thought it meant Lynch One and Lynch Two, but now I'm not so sure.

It means that someone needs 1 more vote or 2 more votes to get lynched today, respectively.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:16:44 pm
I see. Thanks. Oh, and I forgot to ask: are you scum, Awaclus?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:16:57 pm
I guess this could also be a super desperate mafia tactic too. Although I think he would claim to shoot someone less obviously town than me in that case.

Anyway, always lynch everyone who claims to play against their claimed win con.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:17:09 pm
I see. Thanks. Oh, and I forgot to ask: are you scum, Awaclus?

Of course not.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:18:07 pm
I see. Thanks. Oh, and I forgot to ask: are you scum, Awaclus?

Of course not.
Thanks for being honest. There isn't much more than I can ask for than your word. I believe you 100%.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:18:58 pm
I see. Thanks. Oh, and I forgot to ask: are you scum, Awaclus?

Of course not.
Thanks for being honest. There isn't much more than I can ask for than your word. I believe you 100%.

You're welcome!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:19:12 pm
Thanks!

I claim serial killer.

This is why I am so just... Ugh with this game. I mean I know I am going to be lynched eventually but all for the wrong reasons.

This is actually one time that feeling actually applies. Like there is no chance that I can ever have a chance of surviving this game long enough to do much of anything. Like I am doomed to eventually be lynched because of my interactions with ashersky. So what is even the point?

At this point I know claiming this basically ensures my death, but at this point I am already dead, it is just a matter of time.

It might even mean that I am going to be lynched like right now... But mostly I am hoping that you leave me alive long enough to shoot awaclus. Cause that sounds fun to me. (Gotta get some level of enjoyment out of this game...

Plus the longer the SK is alive the longer the potentially better it is for town (to an extent) because once the SK is dead the mafia has full control of switches...

So I guess decide to do what you want. Just let me take out awaclus in the process, cause he could be mafia and well... it would just make me happy.

(this is why I asked Ichi to unvote. I didn't want awaclus to just hammer me immediately after typing this)

I doubt Awaclus is Mafia, though.

I don't think your interactions with Asherksy necessarily indicate that you're his partner. However, PoE makes it a possibility.  I feel for you, though.  I had a similar thing happen to me as SK; because of interactions (and fake claims by Awaclus~) I was pegged as a Mafia partner.  On the other hand, sorry but this is good for us. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:20:19 pm
WW: Vote for Yuma!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:20:36 pm
And, slow down with lynching SK
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:20:56 pm
And, slow down with lynching SK
Why?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:21:21 pm
There is this switch thing, and 2 Mafia alive.  SK dead means they can neutralize whatever PRs we have left every night.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:21:41 pm
I had a similar thing happen to me as SK; because of interactions (and fake claims by Awaclus~)

Hey, it still was an investigative result on you confirming you as not town. I only fake claimed the part where I got it with my own role.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:22:11 pm
There is this switch thing, and 2 Mafia alive.  SK dead means they can neutralize whatever PRs we have left every night.
The SK is going to murder Awalcus. And Awalcus is town, he told me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:22:16 pm
I had a similar thing happen to me as SK; because of interactions (and fake claims by Awaclus~)

Hey, it still was an investigative result on you confirming you as not town. I only fake claimed the part where I got it with my own role.

No, you claimed I was Mafia, and I wasn't.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:24:09 pm
Hitting Mafia today is probably better than hitting SK, though Yuma may likely just shoot Awaclus which is probably bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:27:46 pm
Yuma want to claim who you shot last night?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:28:51 pm
Hitting Mafia today is probably better than hitting SK, though Yuma may likely just shoot Awaclus which is probably bad.
Hitting Mafia is better than hitting SK. However,

1. Yuma knows this, he is Mafia and claimed SK to save his skin for one day.

2. Hitting SK is better than not hitting SK, and the town would be divided between you and Haddock.

PPE
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:30:06 pm
Hitting Mafia today is probably better than hitting SK, though Yuma may likely just shoot Awaclus which is probably bad.
Hitting Mafia is better than hitting SK. However,

1. Yuma knows this, he is Mafia and claimed SK to save his skin for one day.

2. Hitting SK is better than not hitting SK, and the town would be divided between you and Haddock.

PPE

True; we should still think it through, though, and reread under an assumption that Yuma is not Mafia. 

My guess is Ichi/Haddock. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:30:46 pm
Well, maybe Hydrad.  Is he even here?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 02:31:35 pm
Well, maybe Hydrad.  Is he even here?
No
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 02:35:33 pm
Whoa k. I stepped out for a bit after I unvoted. What's going on?
Yuma's at L-1 again?

Yeah, I don't think it's traditional for scum to get last requests. I could also see him lying on this.

I'm getting all the bad feels from WW as well now--seems like a grab for town points. I'm not not going to lynch claimed scum. Plus, if Mafia want to make a kill, they can only block one PR.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:38:23 pm
How could this possibly be a grab for town points?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 02:39:58 pm
Yeah I may just hammer yuma to put a stop this nonsense.
SK has greater potential to block town PR's than scum ya know.

We have scum (either SK or lying Mafia--or crazy outside chance of town not playing to their wincon?) on a silver platter right now.
Don't act as if it's a choice between lynching SK and Mafia. We have no guarantee whatever other person we lynch today besides yuma will be Mafia.

PPE: It feels like you're acting townie, but what you're positing isn't actually in town's best interest.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:42:36 pm
I don't see Yuma lying here.  Unless he's Mafia and telly thinks he can direct us towards a mislynch.  But I believe him just based on tone.

I didn't know Mafia couldn't switch and kill, so that's not so bad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:44:54 pm
I think not ending the day is in town's best interest, no question.  It may be the case that lynching Yuma is the right thing to do.

But think of it this way, it lets us take out one person from an already small pool for Mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 02:45:44 pm
Damn it. The forum's hanging for me again.

Yeah, scratch you making a grab for town points. It's more just trying to lead the game. Assuming yuma is the SK though, there are still the two mafia left. I'm not sure who WW's partner would be...
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion you're scum at this point, but I've had a scumread on you for most of this game. I didn't push it too hard though, because I wanted to continue observing your play.

PPE: this sounds more reasonable. I feel like you normally pay much more attention to the setup though. The voices are telling me this is a faked townslip.
PPE: I'll wait to hammer yuma. I still think he is and should be today's lynch, but we do have time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:47:02 pm
Plus assuming Yuma is not Mafia, they never no issues lynching him pre-claim.  As far as they know it's a town lynch.  So wagon could be informative as well.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 02:52:41 pm
Even if it was a grab for town points, I don't see how that makes him scum. I grab for town points as town all the time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 02:55:17 pm
Maybe we should let yuma kill you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 02:55:42 pm
Plus assuming Yuma is not Mafia, they never no issues lynching him pre-claim.  As far as they know it's a town lynch.  So wagon could be informative as well.
Also, I don't understand this.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 02:58:16 pm
Phone posting, autocorrect problem.

I mean scum would get on the Yuma wagon as they would a normal mislynch.  Honestly I found your vote suspicious (before he claimed), so that wont really appeal to you, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 03:05:59 pm
Phone posting, autocorrect problem.

I mean scum would get on the Yuma wagon as they would a normal mislynch.  Honestly I found your vote suspicious (before he claimed), so that wont really appeal to you, but maybe I'm wrong.
Ah. I see what you mean. No, I think that makes sense. I mean, they're happy to lynch any non-Mafia person. Suspect me all you want.

I felt very wishy-washy about yuma, til I really thought hard about what he had done this game and how he had reacted to things. Of course, I was right that he's scum--but you'd ignore that. Ya know, did you ever consider I just read him correctly?

If we aren't lynching yuma today, I think I want to lynch you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 03:17:09 pm
Phone posting, autocorrect problem.

I mean scum would get on the Yuma wagon as they would a normal mislynch.  Honestly I found your vote suspicious (before he claimed), so that wont really appeal to you, but maybe I'm wrong.
Ah. I see what you mean. No, I think that makes sense. I mean, they're happy to lynch any non-Mafia person. Suspect me all you want.

I felt very wishy-washy about yuma, til I really thought hard about what he had done this game and how he had reacted to things. Of course, I was right that he's scum--but you'd ignore that. Ya know, did you ever consider I just read him correctly?

If we aren't lynching yuma today, I think I want to lynch you.

You're being inconsistent as to whether or not you're accepting the premise that lynching SK does not equate to town points.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 03:32:31 pm
Thing is we're both PoE'd so even if you're town it makes sense we'd expect each other.  For me it's {Hydrad, Ichi, Haddock} and for (town) you it's {Hydrad, me, Haddock}.  Yuma being out of that set is a big boon, 2 in 3 instead of 2 in 4.  (Plus not having to worry about the SK, which could have been any of the unlikely-bussing-Ash-wagoners {Jimmm, Chairs, Awaclus, Gkrieg}.)

Without the blocking issue, lynching Yuma is more okay, but regardless we have a lot of information now. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 04:03:42 pm
Phone posting, autocorrect problem.

I mean scum would get on the Yuma wagon as they would a normal mislynch.  Honestly I found your vote suspicious (before he claimed), so that wont really appeal to you, but maybe I'm wrong.
Ah. I see what you mean. No, I think that makes sense. I mean, they're happy to lynch any non-Mafia person. Suspect me all you want.

I felt very wishy-washy about yuma, til I really thought hard about what he had done this game and how he had reacted to things. Of course, I was right that he's scum--but you'd ignore that. Ya know, did you ever consider I just read him correctly?

If we aren't lynching yuma today, I think I want to lynch you.

You're being inconsistent as to whether or not you're accepting the premise that lynching SK does not equate to town points.
I kind of understand this statement. Ah, that's because me wanting to lynch you equates to not lynching yuma today--and you could be town. I think I get it.

If you are Mafia and Awaclus isn't your partner, not lynching yuma basically gets you an extra townie dead for free: lynch town today, SK kills Awaclus, Mafia NKs town, then you lynch the SK the next day. That would also mean you'd have to manage to keep yourself and your partner from getting lynched I guess; maybe Haddock is the mislynch you want today.

Yeah. Is Hydrad VLA? Cause his absence is raising my heckles a bit.

PPE: 1
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 04:13:40 pm
Yeah. So please tell me the town narrative for not lynching yuma today, cause I don't see it.
Do you think Awaclus is scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 24, 2015, 04:16:34 pm
Six people scum watching. Something gonna say something?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 04:17:06 pm
Well that's interesting.  Definitely yuma should be the lynch today.  We should use the whole day for discussion and to figure out what yuma wants to claim.

PPE: oh yes I'm saying something.  I think I'm already voting for yuma?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 04:20:07 pm
The switch mechanic is weird without the SK because instead of PRs, we get ICs, because our PRs can just claim, and barring a counterclaim, we know they are not lying.  That only works for 2 people though.  Doesn't seem like a bad idea to just lynch yuma today.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 04:30:31 pm
Six people scum watching. Something gonna say something?
Sorry yeah I was just catching up.  This is a weird turn of events. 

I think we just talk some more here.  Until deadline approaches, we can essentially treat today as if it's an extension of tomorrow's deadline, and use the time to try to catch some more scum. 

I'm going to have a more careful reread and see what I think of everyone's reaction to this whole business.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2015, 04:39:03 pm
Yeah. So please tell me the town narrative for not lynching yuma today, cause I don't see it.
Do you think Awaclus is scum?

Yuma probably should be lynched today.  I, unfortunately, think that Awaclus is town.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 05:00:09 pm
Yeah. So please tell me the town narrative for not lynching yuma today, cause I don't see it.
Do you think Awaclus is scum?

Yuma probably should be lynched today.  I, unfortunately, think that Awaclus is town.

I also think Awa is town this game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 24, 2015, 05:04:54 pm
Okay, so the question is basically "is the downside of town!awaclus being NK'd greater than the upside of scum!awaclus being NK'd?".  My gut on this was "probably not", EXCEPT then I noticed this:

We're at 10 alive. If we let yuma live into the night and lynch somebody else, we probably end up with 2 x NK again. this would put us at 7 alive Tomorrow, which is generally preferable to an even number of living players. Since we can just lynch yuma Tomorrow... it might be worth doing this.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 05:15:15 pm
Since we can just lynch yuma Tomorrow... it might be worth doing this.
There's a 50/50 (maybe better than 50/50, psychology) chance yuma won't survive the night anyway.  There's some switch nonsense, but the vig must surely kill yuma.  Am I right in saying that the vig's NK and the scum NKs all happen together?

It may be worth mentioning that Awa's dying anyway at this point.  We've all announced he's basically an IC, there's no way mafia will let him live.

So it may be there that's not much downside to letting yuma live.  Awa's dead anyway, yuma dying in the night is fairly likely.  If we can get some decent scumreads, maybe it's worth going for it?  As long as we don't lynch the vig, we should be OK.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 24, 2015, 05:22:59 pm
TBH my big "we should lynch yuma" argument is that I think the last time we tried to do "leave the SK alive" as Town, we ended up in a Town-can't-win position.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 05:30:14 pm
Vote: yuma

i mean I suppose I could try and be convinced to use my shot elsewhere... but then you would have to trust me to use it on that person and not on awaclus. And I can't guarantee that... But I could try to guarantee it.

Well, you're clearly not playing towards your win con, so there's absolutely no reason at all to trust you on anything.

My win con is dead and gone. Like was there ever a chance that I wasn't going to be lynched today/tomorrow or the next day?

I guess maybe a super slim chance that I could some how get out of this, lynch mafia today and then lynch the other mafia tomorrow and then you would be looking for me as the SK (and then I somehow survive that... along with PR PoE) but what are the chances of that happening?

My win con died when my scum hunting on ash was wrong... tough luck. onto the next game...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 05:30:41 pm
Yuma want to claim who you shot last night?

no. i should have shot awaclus though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 05:32:36 pm
TBH my big "we should lynch yuma" argument is that I think the last time we tried to do "leave the SK alive" as Town, we ended up in a Town-can't-win position.
Can I ask what the context was?  Cos I could go either way here.  The way I see it is that lynching yuma is a solid bet, obviously good, but not automatically game-winning.  Whereas if we take the risk and lynch someone we think is mafia, a hit would basically outright win us the game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 05:46:02 pm
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed. Either he's lying about being the SK, or he's doing stuff completely arbitrarily instead of playing the game. In both cases, we absolutely can't make any plans involving him staying alive and doing or not doing something, because if he's mafia, it will obviously not work out the way town intends, and if he's town or SK, he does not have any purpose in this game, and thus, his actions won't follow any kind of logic and cannot be predicted.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 05:47:48 pm
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed. Either he's lying about being the SK, or he's doing stuff completely arbitrarily instead of playing the game. In both cases, we absolutely can't make any plans involving him staying alive and doing or not doing something, because if he's mafia, it will obviously not work out the way town intends, and if he's town or SK, he does not have any purpose in this game, and thus, his actions won't follow any kind of logic and cannot be predicted.
What purpose do I serve in this game?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 05:50:12 pm
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed. Either he's lying about being the SK, or he's doing stuff completely arbitrarily instead of playing the game. In both cases, we absolutely can't make any plans involving him staying alive and doing or not doing something, because if he's mafia, it will obviously not work out the way town intends, and if he's town or SK, he does not have any purpose in this game, and thus, his actions won't follow any kind of logic and cannot be predicted.
What purpose do I serve in this game?

You're presumably trying to win it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 06:03:38 pm
No way we're not lynching someone who isn't playing towards the win con they claimed. Either he's lying about being the SK, or he's doing stuff completely arbitrarily instead of playing the game. In both cases, we absolutely can't make any plans involving him staying alive and doing or not doing something, because if he's mafia, it will obviously not work out the way town intends, and if he's town or SK, he does not have any purpose in this game, and thus, his actions won't follow any kind of logic and cannot be predicted.
What purpose do I serve in this game?

You're presumably trying to win it.
Good point. Now we just need WW to vote for Yuma.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 06:10:48 pm
Look, does anyone support the idea of gambling?  I still think the upside of a successful gamble here might be worth the risk.  But if no-one agrees with me, I'll just hammer.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 06:13:41 pm
Look, does anyone support the idea of gambling?  I still think the upside of a successful gamble here might be worth the risk.  But if no-one agrees with me, I'll just hammer.
Think about it like this: if we don't lynch Yuma, we are going to lynch you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 06:16:13 pm
Look, does anyone support the idea of gambling?  I still think the upside of a successful gamble here might be worth the risk.  But if no-one agrees with me, I'll just hammer.
Think about it like this: if we don't lynch Yuma, we are going to lynch you.

Agreed here.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 24, 2015, 06:17:39 pm
Look, does anyone support the idea of gambling?  I still think the upside of a successful gamble here might be worth the risk.  But if no-one agrees with me, I'll just hammer.

Taking risks is good when you're losing, bad when you're winning. Even when the expectations of the outcome are, on average, slightly better than going for the more reliable plan. It's D2 and we've already found two scum, we don't have to take the risk.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 06:19:39 pm
Plus replacing two PRs with two ICs won't be too bad for us at this point.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 06:24:21 pm
OK, anything from the others currently on yuma?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 06:34:35 pm
OK, anything from the others currently on yuma?

You mean other than me obviously not being the SK...

I mean why would I even claim that if I were the SK

I am town and claimed SK to see if I could get any sort of a reaction from the real SK before dying. So that my death would at least serve a purpose. I had hoped there would be more discussion and all of the players would participate in it. Jimmmm in particular has been obviously absent despite being online during this... So it wasn't as useful as I had hoped.

I still don't anticipate living. Lynching me is the move I would do if I were in your shoes. But still there will be something for people to go back and think about potentially after I am lynched and if/when the mafia are lynched and the SK hunting begins.

Right now I would put awaclus at the forefront of the SK likely pile. I don't really know on the mafia..., but probably WW/haddock and if not them then ichi/hydrad or chairs.

So those are my reads. If you let me live I'll try to be more useful, but I don't think that is going to happen knowing f.ds meta culture.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 06:46:21 pm
OK, anything from the others currently on yuma?

You mean other than me obviously not being the SK...

I mean why would I even claim that if I were the SK

I am town and claimed SK to see if I could get any sort of a reaction from the real SK before dying. So that my death would at least serve a purpose. I had hoped there would be more discussion and all of the players would participate in it. Jimmmm in particular has been obviously absent despite being online during this... So it wasn't as useful as I had hoped.

I still don't anticipate living. Lynching me is the move I would do if I were in your shoes. But still there will be something for people to go back and think about potentially after I am lynched and if/when the mafia are lynched and the SK hunting begins.

Right now I would put awaclus at the forefront of the SK likely pile. I don't really know on the mafia..., but probably WW/haddock and if not them then ichi/hydrad or chairs.

So those are my reads. If you let me live I'll try to be more useful, but I don't think that is going to happen knowing f.ds meta culture.
Hate to enforce 'f.ds meta culture,' but burn him at the stake?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 06:46:30 pm
Stake!*
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 06:47:35 pm
Stake!*

hmmm steak
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 06:48:08 pm
Why would you ever fake claim here?  Especially when your lynch wasn't set in stone?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 06:51:47 pm
Why would you ever fake claim here?  Especially when your lynch wasn't set in stone?

Like I said above... to get potentially useful information.

And no it wasn't written in stone. But it was at about... I would say 90% likely. And I had no way to stop it... I mean I defended ash. That looks scummy.

And then people voting me for opposite meta reasons... I was caught in a catch-22 and obviously felt that I was going to be lynched today. Which isn't the end of the world. Town will probably still win but my one concern is about whether or not town will be able to find the SK after getting mafia. That is up in the air.

So I thought I would use my death for something useful...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 06:54:59 pm
Why would you ever fake claim here?  Especially when your lynch wasn't set in stone?

Like I said above... to get potentially useful information.

And no it wasn't written in stone. But it was at about... I would say 90% likely. And I had no way to stop it... I mean I defended ash. That looks scummy.

And then people voting me for opposite meta reasons... I was caught in a catch-22 and obviously felt that I was going to be lynched today. Which isn't the end of the world. Town will probably still win but my one concern is about whether or not town will be able to find the SK after getting mafia. That is up in the air.

So I thought I would use my death for something useful...

valid point.  Your lynch is set in stone now though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 06:56:39 pm
valid point.  Your lynch is set in stone now though.

well hope it turns out to be useful.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 06:56:46 pm
What?  Just, what?

Well yuma even if you're genuine here, all point in keeping you alive is now completely gone.

intent to hammer.

But for heaven's sake let's hear SOMETHING from Jimmm and Hydrad?  It's been days.

I don't even know what I want them to say at this point, but whatever.  Any contribution would be nice.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 06:58:56 pm
plus this way was way more fun...

(don't you guys agree?)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 06:59:55 pm
Wow I didn't realize it had been that long.  request prod on Hydrad and Jimmmmm
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:01:13 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:06:26 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:07:57 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
How many do I have?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:09:10 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
How many do I have?

127
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:09:33 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
How many do I have?

127
How did you figure that out so quickly???
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:10:09 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
How many do I have?

click the all button to show all posts

then do a Ctrl F and type in "goko username: Asher H"

And it will show you how many times you have posted this game
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:10:30 pm
just hit all and ctrl + f then type "goko username Asher h"

ninja'd
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:10:48 pm
just hit all and ctrl + f then type "goko username Asher h"

ninja'd

And I forgot the colon
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:11:53 pm
oh... i thought that hydrad had already posted...
Nope.  He only has 19 posts total.  That's really low.
How many do I have?

click the all button to show all posts

then do a Ctrl F and type in "goko username: Asher H"

And it will show you how many times you have posted this game
If you provide me a complete list of how many times each person has posted including dead people, I will read posts that you have written and make a more informed decision on whether or not I want to vote for you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:12:35 pm
If you provide me a complete list of how many times each person has posted including dead people, I will read posts that you have written and make a more informed decision on whether or not I want to vote for you.

Sure I used to do those all the time...

give me a sec
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:13:09 pm
Hydrad has been active elsewhere in the forum since he last posted.  This seems excessive even for Hydrad.  He is probably my top person to look at next.

PPE: That is a terrible way to choose where your vote should go
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:13:38 pm
Misread that.  I thought you said you would just stop voting for him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:13:48 pm
Hydrad has been active elsewhere in the forum since he last posted.  This seems excessive even for Hydrad.  He is probably my top person to look at next.

PPE: That is a terrible way to choose where your vote should go
Making an educated decision is bad?
PPE
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:14:18 pm
Misread that.  I thought you said you would just stop voting for him.
I sort of got 'ninja'd'
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:17:32 pm
1. Witherweaver - 112
2. Faust - Town-aligned Doctor - Killed N1 - 78
3. Roadrunner7671 - 131
4. Ashersky - Mafia-aligned Doctor switch - Lynched D1 - 60
5. gkrieg13 - 57
6. Haddock - 47 (had to search "not doc Cod" cause doesn't have a goko username
7. Awaclus - 53
8. Silverspawn - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1 - 67
9. Hydrad - 19
10. Ichimaru Gin - 43 (under swordandsworcery)
11. Jimmmmm - 44 (doesn't have goko, just iso)
12. Yuma - 95
13. Chairs - 24
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:17:59 pm
Hydrad has been active elsewhere in the forum since he last posted.  This seems excessive even for Hydrad.  He is probably my top person to look at next.

PPE: That is a terrible way to choose where your vote should go

totally

for both
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:19:01 pm
Ironically when I wanted to see how many time hydrad had posted, I got lazy and searched posts: 135.  Unfortunately he and Haddock have the same post count :(
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:19:20 pm
1. Witherweaver - 112
2. Faust - Town-aligned Doctor - Killed N1 - 78
3. Roadrunner7671 - 131
4. Ashersky - Mafia-aligned Doctor switch - Lynched D1 - 60
5. gkrieg13 - 57
6. Haddock - 47 (had to search "not doc Cod" cause doesn't have a goko username
7. Awaclus - 53
8. Silverspawn - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1 - 67
9. Hydrad - 19
10. Ichimaru Gin - 43 (under swordandsworcery)
11. Jimmmmm - 44 (doesn't have goko, just iso)
12. Yuma - 95
13. Chairs - 24
Wow, I have been talking too much. This doesn't give me too much information, but it's time to make an educated decision.

PPE
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:20:22 pm
Ironically when I wanted to see how many time hydrad had posted, I got lazy and searched posts: 135.  Unfortunately he and Haddock have the same post count :(

yeah... that was unfortunate
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 07:39:30 pm
Right.  I need to sleep now.

My intent to hammer stands, but I still want to wait til that prod goes through.  I will be back at say 10am my time, which is 5am forum time.  No idea about everyone else's timezone, but I hope that "this evening" forum time will see some activity from the people we're waiting for.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:42:57 pm
Right.  I need to sleep now.

My intent to hammer stands, but I still want to wait til that prod goes through.  I will be back at say 10am my time, which is 5am forum time.  No idea about everyone else's timezone, but I hope that "this evening" forum time will see some activity from the people we're waiting for.

I mean... I don't want to be lynched (but at this point I am going to be regardless)... but I don't think there is any reason to wait for the prods. I mean anything Jimmmm or Hydrad have to say about me at this point is null as I have already said that I am not the SK... The game is up! So it isn't like there is anything to gain there...

Unless there is something else you wanted from them...?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:46:55 pm
Right.  I need to sleep now.

My intent to hammer stands, but I still want to wait til that prod goes through.  I will be back at say 10am my time, which is 5am forum time.  No idea about everyone else's timezone, but I hope that "this evening" forum time will see some activity from the people we're waiting for.

I mean... I don't want to be lynched (but at this point I am going to be regardless)... but I don't think there is any reason to wait for the prods. I mean anything Jimmmm or Hydrad have to say about me at this point is null as I have already said that I am not the SK... The game is up! So it isn't like there is anything to gain there...

Unless there is something else you wanted from them...?
I am done analyzing you. You haven't really seemed very scummy to me. You are also quite the experienced player, and we already lost three of those. I am not going to say much else, but in my opinion, Yuma is not scum. He claimed VT as well, which is almost good enough for me.

unvote
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 24, 2015, 07:48:47 pm
Well I am heading out for some family time, pumpkins and what not... If I am still alive when I get back (probably tomorrow as I think we will be getting home kinda late and won't be getting on tonight) I'll be sure to answer any questions people might have. If I am dead... well then I will be dead.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 24, 2015, 07:51:21 pm
Oh my days really?
vote: yuma.
L-1 again.

I guess this way I can sleep and still hope that Jimm and hydrad say something while I sleep. But really RR, your vote should probably have stayed where it was.

Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 24, 2015, 07:52:05 pm
I want to wait for the prods to go through.  I want to hear from both of them and get reactions on what has happened today.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 07:54:25 pm
I am not going to vote for Yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 24, 2015, 08:13:37 pm
Oh my days really?
vote: yuma.
L-1 again.

I guess this way I can sleep and still hope that Jimm and hydrad say something while I sleep. But really RR, your vote should probably have stayed where it was.
If I vote for him and he is town, will you basically confess to being scum?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 24, 2015, 08:43:36 pm
Wow I didn't realize it had been that long.  request prod on Hydrad and Jimmmmm

Prodded.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Hydrad on October 24, 2015, 09:25:08 pm
ah I'm here.

and I guess I'll post that I would have believe yuma is the SK. and even though he claimed against it still think there is a chance yuma could be SK but is most likely town.

apologies for being so absent.

so ya I think i'm against a yuma lynch right now
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Hydrad on October 24, 2015, 09:25:42 pm
although I still completely understand that he probably will get lynched I guess. and if needed I would vote for him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 01:19:45 am
Right.  I need to sleep now.

My intent to hammer stands, but I still want to wait til that prod goes through.  I will be back at say 10am my time, which is 5am forum time.  No idea about everyone else's timezone, but I hope that "this evening" forum time will see some activity from the people we're waiting for.

I mean... I don't want to be lynched (but at this point I am going to be regardless)... but I don't think there is any reason to wait for the prods. I mean anything Jimmmm or Hydrad have to say about me at this point is null as I have already said that I am not the SK... The game is up! So it isn't like there is anything to gain there...

Unless there is something else you wanted from them...?
I am done analyzing you. You haven't really seemed very scummy to me. You are also quite the experienced player, and we already lost three of those. I am not going to say much else, but in my opinion, Yuma is not scum. He claimed VT as well, which is almost good enough for me.

unvote

I will note that I never actually claimed VT but if I were a PR I would never have fake claimed SK in this situation. A role in this hypothetical would have been far more valuable than any info i might have hopped to obtain... I would have just claimed my role, not been counter claimed (mafia would be crazy to counter claimant this point) and we would have been on our merry way, so in this it should be obvious that yes, I am in fact a VT.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 25, 2015, 06:34:24 am
Well I'm back, for what it's worth.  Not much happening while I was asleep, but good to hear from you, Hydrad. 
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2015, 10:57:47 am
Sorry Yuma, I don't believe you :( 

I'd like Jimmmmm to check in.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 25, 2015, 11:04:16 am
I'm here. Still like my vote on yuma, and still planning on saying some stuff about how he dealt with the ash wagon.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 01:40:26 pm
Sorry Yuma, I don't believe you :( 

I'd like Jimmmmm to check in.

That's cool. I won't hold it against you... At least until the next game where I might just accidentally (on purpose) hammer you again...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 25, 2015, 01:42:19 pm
Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 25, 2015, 01:43:40 pm
I am very curious about Yuma's role, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him just to find out.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 25, 2015, 01:44:48 pm
Vote: Haddock
sigh...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: pacovf on October 25, 2015, 02:03:25 pm
Vote Count 2.4

Haddock (3): Witherweaver, Hydrad, Roadrunner7671
Yuma (5): Jimmmmm, Chairs, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Haddock (L-1)

Not Voting (2): Yuma, Ichimaru Gin

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D2 ends October 28 at 12 pm noon forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 25, 2015, 02:09:24 pm
I'm actually surprised yuma wagon has stalled this much.  If he were VT, scum and SK would be happy to hammer him.  If he were SK, that is still just one party that doesn't want to see him lynched, the SK, which is himself.  I'm not sure if I see yuma doing the whole, lynch me to get information thing.  I'm pretty sure he is the SK.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 02:13:12 pm
I'm here. Still like my vote on yuma, and still planning on saying some stuff about how he dealt with the ash wagon.

I don't think you really need to do this. I'll concede that it was scummy. No argument there. I would argue that it was because I actually thought ash was town and doing a gambit. Well even that isn't true... I thought ash was doing a gambit and wanted to wait til he had pulled back the curtain before giving judgement. But obviously you can't know my intent so that argument is moot. So I am not going to argue against any points you make. It looks like I am getting lynched regardless of what you say, but if you really want to make these points go ahead I guess... I just don't think you need to.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 02:14:16 pm
I'm actually surprised yuma wagon has stalled this much.  If he were VT, scum and SK would be happy to hammer him.  If he were SK, that is still just one party that doesn't want to see him lynched, the SK, which is himself.  I'm not sure if I see yuma doing the whole, lynch me to get information thing.  I'm pretty sure he is the SK.

Unless all three are already voting for me... Cause why wouldn't they be voting for me?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 02:20:43 pm
And why wouldn't I do the information thing?

Side note: this will be my first mislynch on me since M11... I kinda acted similar there... Well mostly I went a bit crazy and did some silly stuff, so yeah kinda similar. But the setting was vastly different. It was like day7 of a 10 day game and I had been correct on like 5 yen he's and couldn't believe they were considering lynching me. Still can't believe it in fact. But only ash was around back then...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 25, 2015, 02:24:36 pm
And why wouldn't I do the information thing?

Because you weren't necessarily getting lynched.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 02:35:19 pm
And why wouldn't I do the information thing?

Because you weren't necessarily getting lynched.

Really...?I have the power of a Millenarian. There were no alternate realities where I was not getting lynched. f.DS meta culture ensured it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 02:40:59 pm
And beside the only time you absolutely know someone is getting lynched is when they actually are getting lynched (enough people have voted)...

And at that point the information gambit is no longer useful. So if there was a time to do it, it was when I did. Any other time makes no sense in that I would have still thought there was a chance if not getting lynched or I was already lynched...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 25, 2015, 02:46:53 pm
And beside the only time you absolutely know someone is getting lynched is when they actually are getting lynched (enough people have voted)...

And at that point the information gambit is no longer useful. So if there was a time to do it, it was when I did. Any other time makes no sense in that I would have still thought there was a chance if not getting lynched or I was already lynched...

There was a lot of time before the deadline.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 04:12:16 pm
And beside the only time you absolutely know someone is getting lynched is when they actually are getting lynched (enough people have voted)...

And at that point the information gambit is no longer useful. So if there was a time to do it, it was when I did. Any other time makes no sense in that I would have still thought there was a chance if not getting lynched or I was already lynched...

There was a lot of time before the deadline.

time has nothing to do with it
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 04:16:58 pm
So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 25, 2015, 04:25:47 pm
And beside the only time you absolutely know someone is getting lynched is when they actually are getting lynched (enough people have voted)...

And at that point the information gambit is no longer useful. So if there was a time to do it, it was when I did. Any other time makes no sense in that I would have still thought there was a chance if not getting lynched or I was already lynched...

There was a lot of time before the deadline.

time has nothing to do with it

Time has everything to do with it. The lynch wasn't going to happen in at least a couple of days.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 04:42:48 pm
And beside the only time you absolutely know someone is getting lynched is when they actually are getting lynched (enough people have voted)...

And at that point the information gambit is no longer useful. So if there was a time to do it, it was when I did. Any other time makes no sense in that I would have still thought there was a chance if not getting lynched or I was already lynched...

There was a lot of time before the deadline.

time has nothing to do with it

Time has everything to do with it. The lynch wasn't going to happen in at least a couple of days.

but it was still going to happen... on me.

So if it was going to happen on me, which it was, at still is... and if I wanted to get something out of it (information) then it needed to happen before I was actually lynched.

If I had waited for the actual lynch to happen then I couldn't have done the thing to get the information. So I needed to do it before actually getting lynched. Which could have been immediately... you and haddock both had mulled around casting the hammer vote (hadn't expressed intent to hammer but it was getting pretty close).

You are doing that thing were you don't actually listen or read to what others are saying and are more focused on your own arguments and ideas and on the idea that you must be right...

hence...

So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.

and hence me being done talking with you about this...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 25, 2015, 04:44:58 pm
You are doing that thing were you don't actually listen or read to what others are saying and are more focused on your own arguments and ideas and on the idea that you must be right...

You are projecting.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 04:48:32 pm
You are doing that thing were you don't actually listen or read to what others are saying and are more focused on your own arguments and ideas and on the idea that you must be right...

You are projecting.

You are a projector.

(http://us.123rf.com/450wm/addricky/addricky1311/addricky131100300/24042509-old-fashioned-cinema-projector-isolated-on-white-background-high-resolution-3d.jpg)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 25, 2015, 06:40:55 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2015, 06:41:22 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.

I doubt that.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 25, 2015, 06:46:59 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.

I doubt that.
Ok. Well can anyone tell me what happened earlier that's being continued now?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 25, 2015, 06:49:03 pm
And yeah, if for some reason it shouldn't be brought up, I'd at least appreciate a point in the right direction.

I don't really understand whatevers going on though except that it relates to a game that happened a while ago.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 25, 2015, 06:50:42 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.

I doubt that.
Ok. Well can anyone tell me what happened earlier that's being continued now?

Awaclus was scum with me and ash.  Ash and I claimed masons and Yuma was positive that Awa was scum, but Awaclus's job was to annoy everyone so that town got nowhere, which he did perfectly.  Yuma is now and forever will be annoyed at Awaclus because no one listened to him because the two ICs were telling everyone that yuma was wrong.

PPE this happened last game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 06:51:57 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.

Oh that game really has nothing to do with the here and now, just an observation of how I rarely get mislynched and me bring introspective and remembering the good old days when times were simpler crazier and people never consistently did stupid things and town town or mafia always won.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 06:53:07 pm
Or I thought you were talking about M11 reminiscents. If you are talking about awaclus/me probably best to just reverse to any points before awaclus jumped in and ask me directly...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 25, 2015, 06:54:17 pm
So I'm here for a bit. I'm not sure what went on in that other game(s); this almost reads like a staged argument to me though.

Not much, I was just scum and yuma was town and now yuma despises me and refuses to take anything I say seriously for some reason.

PPE: Yeah, pretty much what gkrieg said too.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 25, 2015, 06:57:04 pm
Ah ok. I appreciate the explanations. I don't spectate games (or play as much) anymore, so I know I've missed out on some meta-defining occurences.

And let's see...deadline's in three days. My test is tomorrow and this whole week is relatively busy for me. I will pretty much undoubtedly not be around right at the deadline.
I'm not as sure I want to lynch yuma anymore...I should be back in a few hours though.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 06:57:36 pm
Wow. So much theorizing of motivations of which people know nothing about...

Seems like I already talked about this today...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2015, 08:57:17 pm
I'm basically decided on Yuma today.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 09:17:44 pm
So question that might not be useful, but I could see answers potentially having some use on a later day:

For those who think I am not town, and there are a few..., do you think I am SK or do you think I am mafia?

And "I think you could be both" doesn't count as an answer...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Jimmmmm on October 25, 2015, 09:20:43 pm
Mafia.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2015, 09:20:52 pm
SK
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 25, 2015, 09:48:09 pm
Here is the way I see it: Yuma is not Mafia. When someone kills him, he will be a townie or the SK. If he is the SK, I was wrong but you can't accuse me of being scum because I didn't vote for him. If he is a townie, then my reads are good and no one will think I am scum.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 10:35:38 pm
Here is the way I see it: Yuma is not Mafia. When someone kills him, he will be a townie or the SK. If he is the SK, I was wrong but you can't accuse me of being scum because I didn't vote for him. If he is a townie, then my reads are good and no one will think I am scum.

For the future I think you should probably be less concerned, but not completely unconcerned, with how people will perceive you. Right now it seems like it is your sole focus. That isn't good.

At least that is my suggestion... Take it or leave it.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 25, 2015, 10:43:32 pm
Here is the way I see it: Yuma is not Mafia. When someone kills him, he will be a townie or the SK. If he is the SK, I was wrong but you can't accuse me of being scum because I didn't vote for him. If he is a townie, then my reads are good and no one will think I am scum.

For the future I think you should probably be less concerned, but not completely unconcerned, with how people will perceive you. Right now it seems like it is your sole focus. That isn't good.

At least that is my suggestion... Take it or leave it.

I completely agree with you here
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 25, 2015, 11:15:45 pm
I am trying to get other people to think like that so they won't vote for Yuma.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 25, 2015, 11:45:45 pm
I am trying to get other people to think like that so they won't vote for Yuma.

well all the power to you in that case!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 26, 2015, 08:38:33 am
I am definitely voting roadrunner Tomorrow.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 08:40:18 am
I am definitely voting roadrunner Tomorrow.

If yuma flips mafia, I agree.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 09:10:28 am
^both of you above didn't answer my question in regard to what you suspect me of being: SK or mafia?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: chairs on October 26, 2015, 09:45:10 am
SK
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 10:00:32 am
^both of you above didn't answer my question in regard to what you suspect me of being: SK or mafia?

Mostly I'm just not buying that you're doing this as town.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:02:08 am
^both of you above didn't answer my question in regard to what you suspect me of being: SK or mafia?

Mostly I'm just not buying that you're doing this as town.

And "I think you could be both" doesn't count as an answer...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 10:07:00 am
^both of you above didn't answer my question in regard to what you suspect me of being: SK or mafia?

Mostly I'm just not buying that you're doing this as town.

And "I think you could be both" doesn't count as an answer...

I don't care what you think counts as an answer.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:07:45 am
^both of you above didn't answer my question in regard to what you suspect me of being: SK or mafia?

Mostly I'm just not buying that you're doing this as town.

And "I think you could be both" doesn't count as an answer...

I don't care what you think counts as an answer.

vote: awaclus

dayvig: awaclus

request modkill: awaclus

 ;D
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:08:30 am
anyone else with more authority than me (obviously i have practically zero at the moment) want to force (like you could ever force him into doing anything) awaclus into answering the question...?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 26, 2015, 10:10:49 am
I don't think there is any point. You are obviously lying or you were lying and in this game, we should just lunch you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:13:23 am
I don't think there is any point. You are obviously lying or you were lying and in this game, we should just lunch you.

well the point is that when I am revealed to be town (which must be a possibility, regardless of how small you think it is) then you will be able to look back and potentially use people's answers... or lack of answers to hopefully help you find the SK.

It isn't like stating whether you think I am mafia or SK hurts you in anyway does it?

Like is there a toll on posting, some sort of fee? No... So if there isn't a penalty then why not just answer the question...?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 26, 2015, 10:15:53 am
I don't think mafia lies and says they are SK so you must be SK.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:26:32 am
I don't think mafia lies and says they are SK so you must be SK.

See!

Easy peasy lemon squeezy!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:32:16 am
and I think everyone that suspects me has answered at this point (except for awaclus, but I don't think he ever will because.... well he is awaclus...) and obviously those that don't suspect me don't need to answer... (+1 to RR, Hydrad and Ichi)

And the only one that does suspect me that isn't voting me is WW and I anticipate he will shortly, so I think that is about all that I have. I still think Awaclus is the SK.

Obviously I don't want to die, but if I am I can't think of anything else that I need to get out there. Of the people voting for me... I don't see any way to convince them otherwise. They all seem to be pretty set in their decision.

Maybe WW has something he is waiting for?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 10:35:42 am
Mostly just waiting for all the conversation to be over; I think it's useful.

When is deadline?  And is Yuma still at L-1?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:39:21 am
Mostly just waiting for all the conversation to be over; I think it's useful.

When is deadline?  And is Yuma still at L-1?

I agree it is useful. Just saying that my wants/demands from it are pretty much filled up. If you have more, then by all means let me stay alive longer... maybe someone will change their mind?

Deadline is in 2 days. I am still at L-1... and you are the only person who isn't voting for me that said they will...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 10:40:40 am
You want me to hammer you now? :)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:42:20 am
You want me to hammer you now? :)

I don't want you ever to hammer me...

I just don't personally have anything more to say or get out of today as I think my gambit has run its course, people have talked it out. And those that have decided against me have decided against me long, long before I ever did the gambit and certainly won't be changing their minds from anything else I have to say at this point. Right?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 10:48:19 am
I also wanted to reread your claims to see if I still feel the same.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 10:50:50 am
I also wanted to reread your claims to see if I still feel the same.

Then by all means take your time... Let me know if you want me to comment/respond to anything
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 11:03:57 am
those that have decided against me have decided against me long, long before I ever did the gambit

I had just finished re-reading and concluded that I didn't see a particular reason to think you're scum before you claimed SK. But I won't be changing my mind now.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 11:04:30 am
Or before I saw your post, rather. You had probably sent it before I finished the re-read.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 11:10:30 am
those that have decided against me have decided against me long, long before I ever did the gambit

I had just finished re-reading and concluded that I didn't see a particular reason to think you're scum before you claimed SK. But I won't be changing my mind now.

That is convenient. Or untimely unfortunate.

You did say you would do a reread here:
I'm not super against a yuma lynch at this moment, but I want to re-read before making a decision.

followed by my claim here:
Thanks!

I claim serial killer.

and then I am guessing you had finished your reread by here:
Vote: yuma

i mean I suppose I could try and be convinced to use my shot elsewhere... but then you would have to trust me to use it on that person and not on awaclus. And I can't guarantee that... But I could try to guarantee it.

Well, you're clearly not playing towards your win con, so there's absolutely no reason at all to trust you on anything.

All that adds up timestamp wise, so I guess I believe you.

I for one would have liked to have seen what you had written up from that reread, but then again you just don't post stuff just for the sake of posting it do you... even though it can often end up being useful later on.

Mums the word with you...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 11:12:09 am
Or before I saw your post, rather. You had probably sent it before I finished the re-read.

And so if I am following correctly. You say you didn't think I was scum but then saw that I had claimed SK... so that must mean that what you had thought earlier (about me not being scum) was wrong. What withholds you from being wrong this time as well?

Or are you admitting that you think I am the SK and not mafia?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Awaclus on October 26, 2015, 11:22:08 am
Or before I saw your post, rather. You had probably sent it before I finished the re-read.

And so if I am following correctly. You say you didn't think I was scum but then saw that I had claimed SK... so that must mean that what you had thought earlier (about me not being scum) was wrong. What withholds you from being wrong this time as well?

Well, I didn't have a super strong town read on you either, more like null. I would have voted for Haddock over you, though. But then you were claiming a win con that you weren't playing towards, and I continue to firmly believe that everyone who does that should always be lynched.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 11:30:25 am
Or before I saw your post, rather. You had probably sent it before I finished the re-read.

And so if I am following correctly. You say you didn't think I was scum but then saw that I had claimed SK... so that must mean that what you had thought earlier (about me not being scum) was wrong. What withholds you from being wrong this time as well?

Well, I didn't have a super strong town read on you either, more like null. I would have voted for Haddock over you, though. But then you were claiming a win con that you weren't playing towards, and I continue to firmly believe that everyone who does that should always be lynched.

Well I don't disagree with you about lynching people who aren't playing toward their win con. No argument there. But I would say that this whole time I have been playing to my win condition, as was shown once I revealed my SK claim to be a gambit. I want to win. However, in this game winning doesn't necessarily mean staying alive... well if town it doesn't (SK has to stay alive, mafia needs to have at least one player stay alive. But town can die off. I have won multiple times as town after dying.

In this case I saw that I was dying soon via lynch. I felt there was more benefit to try and get information out of my lynch via the gambit than there was trying to forestall the inevitable.

So if you think I am scum then vote for me at this point. But you don't get to say whether or not I am playing to my win condition. I say that I am and believe I have helped town slightly (by providing info on finding the SK down the road) and more so than I would have by belligerently fighting my impending and certain lynch.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 26, 2015, 11:57:20 am
Chairs and Awaclus both will vote for me if Yuma is mafia. I expect that. I am so confident that Yuma isn't Mafia that I am willing to risk my life.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 11:59:57 am
Chairs and Awaclus both will vote for me if Yuma is mafia. I expect that. I am so confident that Yuma isn't Mafia that I am willing to risk my life.

❤❤❤❤
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 26, 2015, 12:09:31 pm
Chairs and Awaclus both will vote for me if Yuma is mafia. I expect that. I am so confident that Yuma isn't Mafia that I am willing to risk my life.

❤❤❤❤
If you're Mafia and I defended you I will be really really pissed. Obviously.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 26, 2015, 05:21:59 pm
Just letting everyone know I'm still here.
I don't have much to add at this point unless people have questions for me.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 05:26:34 pm
Just letting everyone know I'm still here.
I don't have much to add at this point unless people have questions for me.

I don't think you ever answered my "do you think I am mafia or SK?" question...
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Haddock on October 26, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
Oh yeah maybe I didn't. 
On balance I think you're mafia.  Call it 65/35.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 05:39:41 pm
For easy access later:

Thinks I am mafia: Haddock, Jimmmmm
Thinks I am SK: Awaclus (implied), gkrieg, chairs, WW

Thinks I am neither: RR, Ichi, Hydrad

Knows I am neither: yuma
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 05:48:38 pm
I reread.  I can't shake my gut.  Your original claim feels genuine.  If you faked it, you faked it well.  I guess that means your other one would have to have been you changing your mind and going for your only out, which is possible.   That's not quite convincing to me, but more convincing than you staging the first one as town, or as scum really. 

Anyway,

Vote: Yuma

Sorry if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 05:49:30 pm
sad face...

the saddest of the sad faces
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 05:49:41 pm
kill awaclus for me!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 05:52:15 pm
Well he could be SK if you aren't.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: yuma on October 26, 2015, 05:53:00 pm
Well he could be SK if you aren't.

I'm not!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2015, 05:53:54 pm
Well he could be SK if you aren't.

I'm not!

Well that sucks.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: pacovf on October 26, 2015, 05:58:59 pm
Thread Locked!!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 2)
Post by: pacovf on October 26, 2015, 06:01:31 pm
Vote Count 2.Final

Haddock (2): Hydrad, Roadrunner7671
Yuma (6): Jimmmmm, Chairs, gkrieg13, Awaclus, Haddock, Witherweaver
Awaclus (1): Yuma

Not Voting (1): Ichimaru Gin

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: pacovf on October 26, 2015, 06:03:30 pm
Yuma has been lynched. He was the Mafia aligned Cop Switch.

N1 begins now and will last 48 hours until 10/28 at 6 pm forum time. Night actions are due before day start.

Thread Locked!!!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Night 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 28, 2015, 07:26:31 pm
Witherweaver has been killed in the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

Jimmmmm has been killed in the night. He was the town Vigilante.

D3 begins!
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Night 2)
Post by: Twistedarcher on October 28, 2015, 07:28:10 pm
Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (7): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13, Haddock, Awaclus, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Chairs

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

D3 ends at Tuesday 11/4 at 7 pm forum time.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 28, 2015, 07:32:05 pm
Okay, time to beg for my life.

I am sorry, everyone. I let you all down. Whatever you do to me I probably deserve, even though I am 100% a VT.

If you are too blind to see that, I don't blame you.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 28, 2015, 07:36:08 pm
Now just to look at interactions.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 28, 2015, 08:02:51 pm
Okay, time to beg for my life.

I am sorry, everyone. I let you all down. Whatever you do to me I probably deserve, even though I am 100% a VT.

If you are too blind to see that, I don't blame you.
I don't really understand this post.

And damn, yuma really had me going for a while.
I am absolutely exhausted. However, I'll do my best to be active.

What we have left is: 1 Mafia, 1 SK, 1 Cop, 4 VTs.
It's what, D3 now? Is there any reason the cop shouldn't claim at this point?

That'll at the least narrow it down to 2 scum in 6--which is pretty good in my opinion. Certainly worth it since the cop is useless as long as the SK is alive; they're more useful as an IC at this point.
Kinda fowls up my reads since yuma was lying. I'm gonna take some time to reread. For now, vote: Hydrad. I feel fairly certain he's scum. I'm gonna have to hear more from him.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 28, 2015, 08:20:32 pm
Reread of Hydrad (20 posts total).

#61 RVS votes me.
#78 RVS? votes faust
#141 Makes a joke about sheeping faust
#336 Apologizes for lack of activity I think, then unvotes faust.
#337 He thinks RR is town
#338 Votes Ashersky. Notable.
#340 Responding to faust telling him if he's going to vote someone because he can't read them, he should vote for Awaclus
#350 Answering a question from RR
#377 Asks what Morgrim7 was like
#386 States he thinks Jimmmmm is usually lurky.
#431 He's excited about the gkrieg wagon
#432 Votes grkieg. This reads somewhat half-hearted to me.
#443 Switches to voting faust based on yuma's case.
#550 Says he would lynch: faust, gkrieg, haddock, and ss.
#554 Still has a townread on RR because he thinks his play is difficult to fake.
#555 I don't entirely understand this one.

And that's it for D1.
D2:
#707 Votes haddock and makes a joke about the SK. I find this troublesome.
#752 He thinks WW is town. And he agrees with RR that it's hard to post real content.
#885 "He's here" he doesn't want to lynch yuma because he thinks he's town because ??? He says had he been present, he would have believed Yuma's claim to be the SK.
#886 But he's willing to vote him anyway!

And that's it. I've covered every single one of Hydrad's posts; I'm not moving my vote. This doesn't read like scummy-town-Hydrad.
This reads like scum!Hydrad lurking and posting essentially nothing the entire game.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on October 28, 2015, 08:23:48 pm
Most of the active players are dead. Please let's not have this game stall out.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Hydrad on October 28, 2015, 08:24:42 pm
I'm here!

And hey I was super wrong. Yuma's scary... I'll keep that in mind.

I also support a cop claim? I think? even if hes found 2 VTs thats good for us. I'd only really keep quiet if everyone hes checking keeps dying. That would be sad.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Hydrad on October 28, 2015, 08:26:56 pm
see you should also enjoy playing with me! It doesn't take forever to reread me. Thats my gift to you guys.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Hydrad on October 28, 2015, 08:27:20 pm
oh ya.

Vote: Haddock

I still find him scummy.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 28, 2015, 08:28:51 pm
Hey! No one hates me for my honest mistake! <3

Vote: Haddock
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 28, 2015, 08:30:06 pm
I also support the cop claiming.  It is too bad we lost our vig.  I'm gonna reread stuff, but probably won't get to it until tomorrow.  I think we should probably aim to lynch the remaining mafioso.  He should be easy enough to find with the interactions with yuma and ash.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2015, 06:01:09 am
Hey! No one hates me for my honest mistake! <3
Vote: Haddock
Sigh... I'm really running out of patience with you, RR.  Given how catastrophically wrong you were about yuma, you might want to actually THINK about who you vote for, rather than just falling back on a vote that you've been sticking with since the very beginning, with no real reasoning.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 29, 2015, 06:39:51 am
Hey! No one hates me for my honest mistake! <3
Vote: Haddock
Sigh... I'm really running out of patience with you, RR.  Given how catastrophically wrong you were about yuma, you might want to actually THINK about who you vote for, rather than just falling back on a vote that you've been sticking with since the very beginning, with no real reasoning.
Is that a threat?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2015, 06:46:06 am
Is that a threat?
? No.

It's a suggestion.

What could I threaten you with, anyway?
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on October 29, 2015, 06:53:17 am
Is that a threat?
? No.

It's a suggestion.

What could I threaten you with, anyway?
You could NK me. My vote stands.

Faust wanted to off you, he died.
WW wanted to off you, he died.
I want to off you, I guess I'm gonna die.
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Haddock on October 29, 2015, 08:16:04 am
You could NK me. My vote stands.

Faust wanted to off you, he died.
WW wanted to off you, he died.
I want to off you, I guess I'm gonna die.
So you think scum!me would be stupid enough to NK people who had found me scummy?  Surely scum avoids killing people who vocally find them scummy, precisely because of this.

In any case, analysing kills seems pretty weak in this game.  It's impossible to tell who was killed by the mafia and who was killed by the SK.  (And to some extent who was killed by the vig, though looking at kill counts it looks like he didn't do much)
Title: Re: M70: Switch Mafia 2 (Day 3)
Post by: Awaclus on October 29, 2015, 08:31:03 am
So you think scum!me would be stupid enough to NK people who had found me scummy?  Surely scum avoids killing people who vocally find th