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Title: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: market squire on July 31, 2015, 01:08:31 pm
Hi, it looks like there will be a Promo Event card for the release of Adventures in Germany.

(Exclusively for preorders on this page: https://www.spiele-offensive.de/index.php?cmd=gruppendeal&grid=85)

All I can see is that is called "Einladung" (Invitation) and costs $5 (and it has one coin symbol in its 2-line-text).

(Edit: Changed the thread's name as the discussion is still going on)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: ancientcampus on July 31, 2015, 01:24:01 pm
Is it an event card?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jsh357 on July 31, 2015, 02:06:24 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on July 31, 2015, 02:21:35 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???

YES JSH, WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Seprix on July 31, 2015, 03:23:51 pm
Donald never mentioned this card. MUTINY
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AdamH on July 31, 2015, 04:33:52 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???

YES JSH, WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!?

I HAVE NO IDEA LASTFOOTNOTE!!!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Seprix on July 31, 2015, 04:50:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFIQNlxTD3w
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on July 31, 2015, 05:15:49 pm
Is it an event card?

Yes. If you click on the link that market squire posted, you can see the promo in a wrapper in the lower-right corner of one of the images. It's definitely an Event.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jsh357 on July 31, 2015, 05:26:34 pm
I want to hear you guys' guesses.  What can you invite people to in Dominion?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on July 31, 2015, 05:38:28 pm
I want to hear you guys' guesses.  What can you invite people to in Dominion?

/me shakes head

"The vodka is good, but the meat is rotten."
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: pacovf on July 31, 2015, 05:39:44 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???

YES JSH, WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!?

I HAVE NO IDEA LASTFOOTNOTE!!!

...smartypants. :P
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: assemble_me on July 31, 2015, 06:21:46 pm
Hi, it looks like there will be a Promo Event card for the release of Adventures in Germany.

(Exclusively for preorders on this page: https://www.spiele-offensive.de/index.php?cmd=gruppendeal&grid=85)

All I can see is that is called "Einladung" (Invitation) and costs $5 (and it has one coin symbol in its 2-line-text).

FINALLY!
<insert shut up and take my money Fry here>

Ordered!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on July 31, 2015, 07:41:19 pm
Hi, it looks like there will be a Promo Event card for the release of Adventures in Germany.

(Exclusively for preorders on this page: https://www.spiele-offensive.de/index.php?cmd=gruppendeal&grid=85)

All I can see is that is called "Einladung" (Invitation) and costs $5 (and it has one coin symbol in its 2-line-text).
There is in fact a promo Event coming this fall. It will be available in English via BGG as usual, where it will be paired with Pathfinding with the art fixed (that's not a tree).
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on July 31, 2015, 07:43:58 pm
Hooray!  Now instead of paying $5 for just 11 cards, I can pay $5 for 1 card (maybe 2)!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on July 31, 2015, 08:09:09 pm
Hooray!  Now instead of paying $5 for just 11 cards, I can pay $5 for 1 card (maybe 2)!
From my perspective, Events aren't less work than Kingdom cards, and don't contribute less game play. But if you are burning them to keep warm, then yes, there won't be as much cardboard.

However much it costs, the money that doesn't go towards shipping goes towards supporting BGG (who gets given the cards for free). If that's not a cause you're interested in, well it's easy to proxy up one card.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on July 31, 2015, 09:12:00 pm
Oh, I'll be buying it, and I understood all the work and whatnot.

Anyway, on to speculation!  It looks like it costs either (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png) or (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png), and it has a cost in its text.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on July 31, 2015, 09:40:38 pm
"The vodka is good, but the meat is rotten."

I will now explain the joke to make it funnier.

There is an apocryphal story—which I first heard from my father many years ago—about the first ever Russain-English translation computer program. The story goes that, after it was completed, the first test phrase they entered was, "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_spirit_is_willing_but_the_flesh_is_weak) After the program translated it from English to Russian and then back to English, the output was, "The liquor is good, but the meat is spoiled."

That seems to be more or less what has happened with this promo. The original English word has more than one meaning, and the German translators apparently decided to go with the wrong meaning, and then chose a similar word that, as near as I can determine, has a completely different connotation than even that wrong meaning. "Invitation" actually matches the effect of the Event pretty well, but it sure won't match the art.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: pacovf on July 31, 2015, 10:25:00 pm
Maaaaaaaaaaan... now if someone else upvotes the joke, we won't know if it was because of their sprawling general culture (or huh superior Google-fu). Have you never heard of jokes as social identifiers!?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on July 31, 2015, 10:30:42 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???

YES JSH, WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!?

I HAVE NO IDEA LASTFOOTNOTE!!!

You guys are already working on the next expansion, aren'tcha?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on July 31, 2015, 10:34:14 pm
That seems to be more or less what has happened with this promo. The original English word has more than one meaning, and the German translators apparently decided to go with the wrong meaning, and then chose a similar word that, as near as I can determine, has a completely different connotation than even that wrong meaning. "Invitation" actually matches the effect of the Event pretty well, but it sure won't match the art.

*peruses thesaurus*

So, the Event is named Prostitute?  It better combo with Harem.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jsh357 on July 31, 2015, 10:42:45 pm
Interesting. What could this mean? And are those of us in the States invited???

YES JSH, WHAT COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN!?

I HAVE NO IDEA LASTFOOTNOTE!!!

You guys are already working on the next expansion, aren'tcha?

Honestly I was just surprised to see this promo in German before English.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: shmeur on August 01, 2015, 05:31:23 am
That seems to be more or less what has happened with this promo. The original English word has more than one meaning, and the German translators apparently decided to go with the wrong meaning, and then chose a similar word that, as near as I can determine, has a completely different connotation than even that wrong meaning. "Invitation" actually matches the effect of the Event pretty well, but it sure won't match the art.

*peruses thesaurus*

So, the Event is named Prostitute?  It better combo with Harem.

It does appear to have a female on the artwork?  Unless my eyes are trippin'
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2015, 05:48:20 am
Unless my eyes are trippin'

It could be a male prostitute as well.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Sidsel on August 01, 2015, 09:54:17 am
At least on my phone it looked like Snowwhite and a dwarf/garden gnome. Wonder what she's inviting him for...
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: ancientcampus on August 01, 2015, 10:09:08 am
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/d0ca36303a269e977db38723af0b5263/tumblr_inline_nm6yimFWW81t19788_250.jpg)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2015, 10:51:10 am
Was there ever a chance of... Einladung... getting into Adventures, or was it created as a Promo?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on August 01, 2015, 11:18:50 am
Was there ever a chance of... Einladung... getting into Adventures, or was it created as a Promo?

Hint: There were blanks in Adventures.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on August 01, 2015, 11:28:31 am
At least on my phone it looked like Snowwhite and a dwarf/garden gnome. Wonder what she's inviting him for...
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/d0ca36303a269e977db38723af0b5263/tumblr_inline_nm6yimFWW81t19788_250.jpg)
This is a problem I have with Dominion art in general. Even when looking at the actual card it's often really hard to make out the details. You have to look at a bigger size version to see it well. I couldn't see where the hag was on the Swamp hag card until I looked at a bigger version online.
In short, it's too good to be contained on the size of a Dominion card.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 01, 2015, 05:49:25 pm
Was there ever a chance of... Einladung... getting into Adventures, or was it created as a Promo?
Please save all questions until the end of the tour.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 03, 2015, 04:50:22 am
I am very much looking forward to this. So, the preorder ends on August 23rd. When is this released in Germany? Will the US get this shortly after?

The funny thing is we might get this promo card online before Dominion Adventures.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 03, 2015, 06:29:20 am
Woo-hoo. Something that makes it suck less to be a german Dominion fan. Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 03, 2015, 06:35:15 am
Woo-hoo. Something that makes it suck less to be a german Dominion fan. Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.

You also won't have the flimsier card stock or the low-quality mats and tokens.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 03, 2015, 06:42:28 am
Woo-hoo. Something that makes it suck less to be a german Dominion fan. Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.

You also won't have the flimsier card stock or the low-quality mats and tokens.

Oh yes, that was the issue with Hasbro printing, right? I'm indeed glad i won't have that. Didn't know the tokens were also affected.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Lhurgoyf on August 03, 2015, 10:43:17 am
Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.

What about the lines from Durations? And what is the issue with Pathfinding?

Thank you!

I'm looking forward to Adventures (I'll buy it in Essen) just so I can ask my players which color they want :D
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on August 03, 2015, 10:45:10 am
Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.

What about the lines from Durations? And what is the issue with Pathfinding?

Thank you!

Pathfinding's art doesn't take up the whole box; the left and bottom edges are black. I imagine the German version will have fixed this issue. Here's hoping, anyway.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 03, 2015, 10:56:59 am
Now all they have to do is remove the unnecessary lines from Durations, include "correct" Pathfinding in the german box, give Events blue backs and all those months waiting will have paid off.

What about the lines from Durations? And what is the issue with Pathfinding?

Thank you!

English Duration cards just list the effect they have this turn and then the effect of the next turn. German cards divide them with a line. I think it's a problem because it makes some rules confusing, for example Procession (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Procession) (or in fact, any Throne Room (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Throne_Room) variant). In english, you can just say "everything above a line is set up once you play a card, what's below a line depends on something special". You can't do that in german.

Compare the original Merchant Ship (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Merchant_Ship) to its german version:
(http://www.dominionblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/200Hafen.png)

Lighthouse (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Lighthouse) even becomes the only card to have two dividing lines:
(http://www.dominionblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Leuchtturm.jpg)


Edit: So, to make it short, if you have an english game, the "lines on durations" thing is nothing that should concern you. It's just something that has been a bit annoying over here.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on August 03, 2015, 11:12:43 am
Huzzah, another card!  ;D It never stops, and it never should.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: liopoil on August 03, 2015, 05:44:55 pm
ADK said the promo was at gencon in his post in that thread. Does that mean we get to know what it is?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jamfamsam on August 03, 2015, 05:47:13 pm
ADK said the promo was at gencon in his post in that thread. Does that mean we get to know what it is?

The words "fat chance" come to mind.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jsh357 on August 03, 2015, 05:47:27 pm
ADK said the promo was at gencon in his post in that thread. Does that mean we get to know what it is?

I think ADK could reveal it if he wanted to?  Someone will soon enough.  Doubt he was told not to reveal it since it was at a con.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on August 03, 2015, 05:53:44 pm
ADK said the promo was at gencon in his post in that thread. Does that mean we get to know what it is?

It's an event. It costs somewhere from $0 to $100 (inclusive). It does something when you buy it. On boards where the thing that it does is good it's worth buying. There are boards where the thing that it does is good.

We weren't specifically told not to reveal it, but I don't see any reason to give it away. Have some patience!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: liopoil on August 03, 2015, 05:56:53 pm
...anyone else go to gencon? ;)

I like how you didn't say that there are boards  where the thing that it does is bad.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on August 03, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
In Dominion the distinction between "bad" and "not good" is pretty fine.

Also, I don't know how the German publisher got to "Invitation" from "Hot Air Balloon."
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on August 03, 2015, 05:59:48 pm
He also didn't rule out that it will be the first card with a triple-digit cost.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 03, 2015, 06:21:15 pm
ADK said the promo was at gencon in his post in that thread. Does that mean we get to know what it is?

Hmmm... nothing on BGG so far... and nothing from Google trawls, either...
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 03, 2015, 07:06:49 pm
Wha??? I wish someone told me the card was at Gen Con. I could have gotten someone to get me a copy of the card. I'm surprised no one mentioned it. I guess no one was expecting a promo so no one noticed. lol
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on August 03, 2015, 07:14:33 pm
Wha??? I wish someone told me the card was at Gen Con. I could have gotten someone to get me a copy of the card. I'm surprised no one mentioned it. I guess no one was expecting a promo so no one noticed. lol

It was only in the final round of the tournament, which they were very strict about letting spectators into (probably because it was there). They also weren't giving it away, just letting us play with it.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 03, 2015, 07:20:21 pm
Wha??? I wish someone told me the card was at Gen Con. I could have gotten someone to get me a copy of the card. I'm surprised no one mentioned it. I guess no one was expecting a promo so no one noticed. lol

It was only in the final round of the tournament, which they were very strict about letting spectators into (probably because it was there). They also weren't giving it away, just letting us play with it.

Ah! That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 04, 2015, 04:55:22 am
That seems to be more or less what has happened with this promo. The original English word has more than one meaning, and the German translators apparently decided to go with the wrong meaning, and then chose a similar word that, as near as I can determine, has a completely different connotation than even that wrong meaning. "Invitation" actually matches the effect of the Event pretty well, but it sure won't match the art.

Hmm... So, what could the original be, then... "Load up"? "Include"? "Annexation"? "Link-up"?

The image looks like a guy/woman at a window. "One day lad, all this will be yours!". I'll just make a random guess: It includes more cards into the game.

Also, hooray, the german translation is rubbish, being german sucks again, the world is in order... Damned.  :-\
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 04, 2015, 05:18:32 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/3fobgo/new_promo_event_at_gencon/
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: JW on August 04, 2015, 05:20:40 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/3fobgo/new_promo_event_at_gencon/

From the link: Summon(5 cost) Gain a card costing up to 4 and set it aside. At the start of your next turn play the set aside card.

Update:
Summon: Event, $5
Gain an Action card costing up to $4. Set it aside. If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.

When-gain effects trigger. Remember lose-track just stops cards from being moved, it doesn't stop other things from happening. The Summoned card can end up in the wrong place, in which case the "if you do" will fail.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on August 04, 2015, 05:30:41 pm
So, I would have named the German version "Herbeizaubern". Is that correct, native German speakers?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 05:48:06 pm
I'm guessing that card gets discarded at the end of the turn after buying Summon?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on August 04, 2015, 05:51:48 pm
I'm guessing that card gets discard at the end of the turn after buying Summon?

Well since it says "play it", why wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 05:55:15 pm
I'm guessing that card gets discard at the end of the turn after buying Summon?

Well since it says "play it", why wouldn't it?

Just checking.  Seems neat.  Open (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png)/(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png), Summon a Sea Hag or Marauder or Ambassador.  If you can drop Ferry on Cultist, Summoning them seems better than just straight buying them.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: liopoil on August 04, 2015, 05:57:49 pm
What happens if you summon silver or another treasure card?

Do when-gain effects ever trigger? I would guess no. Whoops, though it was set aside immediately, not gained first. So then is there a possible lose-track thing with on-gain effects where it doesn't get topdecked? set-aside? (answered: yes, and then it would not be played either)

Best T1 summons sound like remake or ambassador to me. Or even... potion on an appthecary board. Woah.

Otherwise, this could be a really common buy, like every single turn for a while on boards with weak 5s.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 05:58:59 pm
What happens if you summon silver or another treasure card?

I'm guessing the full text actually says Action card.

Do when-gain effects ever trigger? I would guess no.

Of course they would.  Why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Eistee on August 04, 2015, 05:59:30 pm
So, I would have named the German version "Herbeizaubern". Is that correct, native German speakers?

That is a possible and good translation.

Another possible translation would have been "Beschwörung" (Summoning) or "Beschwören" (to summon), which also is a term used in magic, just like "Herbeizaubern". Both are fine and would have been, like, 100% better than "Einladung".

Man, Einladung. I don't even know what to say. It literally means "Invitation".

I mean, from what I can gather from that tiny picture, it shows someone using magic. And yet, they call it "Einladung". Now that's just silly. I have only met one wizard so far inviting fireballs rather than summoning them, and let me tell you, wow, weird guy.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 06:01:33 pm
Would anyone be interested in playing with Summon in a game over Skype?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: sc0UT on August 04, 2015, 06:02:13 pm
So, I would have named the German version "Herbeizaubern". Is that correct, native German speakers?

Yes, that name or "Beschwören" or "Herbeirufen" would have been ok. But "Einladung" again is a weird translation as many others in this series.

OK, Eistee was faster. ;)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 06:03:49 pm
SUMMON DISTANT LANDS

With cost reduction, of course.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 04, 2015, 06:06:38 pm
Seconding "Beschwörung". "Herbeizaubern" is technically correct, but sound more like "make appear" than actually summoning. I really wonder how somebody could get that wrong. Maybe they didn't see the art and thought is was more of a "call the guys together because we need to meet" summon?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Eistee on August 04, 2015, 06:13:10 pm
And now there has to be that one parallel universe in which creatures in the German version of "Magic: The Gathering" are invited rather than summoned.

That's just awesome.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: SCSN on August 04, 2015, 06:16:15 pm
Otherwise, this could be a really common buy, like every single turn for a while on boards with weak 5s.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1217197.jpg)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 06:18:33 pm
Otherwise, this could be a really common buy, like every single turn for a while on boards with weak 5s.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1217197.jpg)

Or the Death Carts.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 04, 2015, 06:49:52 pm
What happens if you summon silver or another treasure card?

Do when-gain effects ever trigger? I would guess no. Whoops, though it was set aside immediately, not gained first. So then is there a possiblr lose-track thing with on-gain effects where it doesn't get topdecked?
It only gains Actions.

Summon: Event, $5
Gain an Action card costing up to $4. Set it aside. If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.

When-gain effects trigger. Remember lose-track just stops cards from being moved, it doesn't stop other things from happening. The Summoned card can end up in the wrong place, in which case the "if you do" will fail.

Also LastFootnote came up with this card!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 04, 2015, 06:52:14 pm
(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150805/54ca6j9q.jpg)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: SCSN on August 04, 2015, 06:58:51 pm
(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150805/54ca6j9q.jpg)

This made me think of a better version of my previous one:

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1217772.jpg)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: eHalcyon on August 04, 2015, 07:06:06 pm
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

Whoa, congrats LF!  You are now officially better than all other fan card designers.

/jokes ;)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 04, 2015, 07:36:19 pm
Very nice event. I like how you technically never gain the card.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 04, 2015, 07:41:22 pm
Very nice event. I like how you technically never gain the card.

Of course you do, it's right there: "Gain an Action card".
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 04, 2015, 07:51:37 pm
Very nice event. I like how you technically never gain the card.

Of course you do, it's right there: "Gain an Action card".

Duh! I was too focused on the whole set aside thing.

Anyway, this is pretty nice opening with Chapel, even better than Travelling Fair since you are guaranteed to hit all three estates.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: pacovf on August 04, 2015, 08:03:39 pm
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

And that's how ghost writing entered the world of board game design.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 08:18:55 pm
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

And that's how ghost writing entered the world of board game design.

My guess is playtester-made cards will be limited to Promos.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: XerxesPraelor on August 04, 2015, 08:21:02 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: jsh357 on August 04, 2015, 08:28:33 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.

My experience is "most things," as long as you don't have a better $5 card option.  Playing a card now is usually better than playing it later. Tracking your deck helps for some things, like trashers. You can also use it as a crappy one-shot Village if there's a +1 Action card in the kingdom. Like Prince, cards that draw are obviously great to have at the start of your turn, but unlike Prince, you have to shuffle the card in later so it's nice to get something nonterminal.  Overall, a lot of considerations that are board dependent.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Seprix on August 04, 2015, 08:30:50 pm
You can be pro, play two Highways, and get a free Goons.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.

My experience is "most things," as long as you don't have a better $5 card option.  Playing a card now is usually better than playing it later. Tracking your deck helps for some things, like trashers. You can also use it as a crappy one-shot Village if there's a +1 Action card in the kingdom. Like Prince, cards that draw are obviously great to have at the start of your turn, but unlike Prince, you have to shuffle the card in later so it's nice to get something nonterminal.  Overall, a lot of considerations that are board dependent.

Okay, now I'm certain you guys are canoodling over a tenth expansion.  I'm doubtful that you'd get everybody together just to playtest one Promo Event.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: mtmagus on August 04, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
If anyone is wondering what this got used in the GenCon tourney for this year, I mainly used it as a counter to Haunted Woods and Swamp Hag whose attacks trigger on a buy, or in kingdoms containing a miser as a way of spending $5 now to get however many coppers I have on my tavern mat next turn.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: DG on August 04, 2015, 09:08:08 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.

Transmogrify is good.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 04, 2015, 09:12:01 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.

Transmogrify is good.

Basically any Reserve card.  Either they're terminal, or they call at the start of your turn.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AJD on August 04, 2015, 11:58:28 pm
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

And that's how ghost writing entered the world of board game design.

My guess is playtester-made cards will be limited to Promos.

(And Courtyard?)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 05, 2015, 12:02:16 am
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

And that's how ghost writing entered the world of board game design.

My guess is playtester-made cards will be limited to Promos.

(And Courtyard?)

That's right, that was a thing.  And Dame Josephine made Counting House.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Kirian on August 05, 2015, 12:15:37 am
Also LastFootnote came up with this card!

And that's how ghost writing entered the world of board game design.

My guess is playtester-made cards will be limited to Promos.

(And Courtyard?)

That's right, that was a thing.  And Dame Josephine made Counting House.

How about "non-inner-circle playtesters."
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: SCSN on August 05, 2015, 03:07:34 am
Summon fact of the day: it decreases Lord Bottington's optimal solitaire session by one turn (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9720.msg515456#msg515456).
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Mr Anderson on August 05, 2015, 04:19:35 am
Seconding "Beschwörung". "Herbeizaubern" is technically correct, but sound more like "make appear" than actually summoning. I really wonder how somebody could get that wrong. Maybe they didn't see the art and thought is was more of a "call the guys together because we need to meet" summon?

"Einbestellung" would have been a good German translation, probably the one I like the most.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: -Stef- on August 05, 2015, 07:12:05 am
Otherwise, this could be a really common buy, like every single turn for a while on boards with weak 5s.

Yes. But scrap that 'for a while' and 'with weak 5s'.

My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on August 05, 2015, 07:56:13 am
My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.

Have you played any games with the final version yet?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 05, 2015, 08:28:22 am
I've realized this is essentially a one-shot Prince. It turns a non-terminal into a village and a card like smithy essentially nets you an extra card while not eating up an action slot. Yah, this seems pretty good.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: markusin on August 05, 2015, 08:30:58 am
I've realized this is essentially a one-shot Prince. It turns a non-terminal into a village and a card like smithy essentially nets you an extra card while not eating up an action slot. Yah, this seems pretty good.
It's just like when you reveal an Action card with Herald. So you're kind of getting +2 cards +2 actions next turn and guaranteed to have at least 1 $4 Action card to play. Not bad.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: -Stef- on August 05, 2015, 09:31:43 am
My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.

Have you played any games with the final version yet?

No, that's why I said 'guess'. I don't know how Donald would feel about discussing previous versions of summon here so I won't, but suffice to say I have experimented with weaker versions that I already considered very strong.

And just for clarity: I'm not saying it's a badly designed card at all. First of all it's an event, so it will be available for everyone all game. Secondly it won't make all games look the same (a la rebuild or cultist) because it makes you play with the rest of the kingdom. And finally it's a promo, so nothing wrong with being a bit spicy.

All I'm saying is that I expect to buy this event almost whenever I can. And I expect that whenever I buy this event, I will be able to afford another the next turn.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: iguanaiguana on August 05, 2015, 09:56:33 am
My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.

Have you played any games with the final version yet?

No, that's why I said 'guess'. I don't know how Donald would feel about discussing previous versions of summon here so I won't, but suffice to say I have experimented with weaker versions that I already considered very strong.

And just for clarity: I'm not saying it's a badly designed card at all. First of all it's an event, so it will be available for everyone all game. Secondly it won't make all games look the same (a la rebuild or cultist) because it makes you play with the rest of the kingdom. And finally it's a promo, so nothing wrong with being a bit spicy.

All I'm saying is that I expect to buy this event almost whenever I can. And I expect that whenever I buy this event, I will be able to afford another the next turn.

Maybe i am crazy to question Stef, but this seems to be crazy play on a board with strong 5s and weak or situational cards under 5? Which seems like a lot of boards?

Anyway, a somewhat archaic use of the word summon in English is 'to invite.' so that accounts for the bad translation.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 05, 2015, 10:15:47 am
Anyway, a somewhat archaic use of the word summon in English is 'to invite.' so that accounts for the bad translation.

A summons is a command.  An invitation is a request.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Watno on August 05, 2015, 10:16:50 am
Anyway, a somewhat archaic use of the word summon in English is 'to invite.' so that accounts for the bad translation.
Also, I think "summon" is more like ordering someone to come, while the German "einladen" is used pretty much the same way as "invite".
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AdamH on August 05, 2015, 10:35:07 am
My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.

Have you played any games with the final version yet?

No, that's why I said 'guess'. I don't know how Donald would feel about discussing previous versions of summon here so I won't, but suffice to say I have experimented with weaker versions that I already considered very strong.

And just for clarity: I'm not saying it's a badly designed card at all. First of all it's an event, so it will be available for everyone all game. Secondly it won't make all games look the same (a la rebuild or cultist) because it makes you play with the rest of the kingdom. And finally it's a promo, so nothing wrong with being a bit spicy.

All I'm saying is that I expect to buy this event almost whenever I can. And I expect that whenever I buy this event, I will be able to afford another the next turn.

Maybe i am crazy to question Stef, but this seems to be crazy play on a board with strong 5s and weak or situational cards under 5? Which seems like a lot of boards?

Maybe I wouldn't say 90% vs. 10%, but I'm inclined to agree with Stef on this one. I'd say it's "over 50% vs. under 50%".

Every Action card in Dominion is measured against the cost of drawing it and playing it. It costs a card to draw it and a card to play it. Every deck in Dominion can be measured against how quickly it can play the cards it gains. There are cards that aren't really all that great, but become much better because of their ability to cycle your deck to play your important cards more often in the early game.

When you Summon something, you're fast-forwarding to play that card "immediately." This is so incredibly good. Some decks can be sped up as much as two or three turns just by this effect. That is so incredibly good.

Also, the first time you get to play it, you're eliminating that cost of a card and an action. This is so incredibly good. Every single card in Dominion that you can possibly Summon needs to be thought of in a different light (namely, the same light we though of cards under Prince) for a turn, for an effect you get "immediately". Prince of anything is so incredibly good, Summoning anything is so incredibly good and you can have it "immediately".

Do I sound like a broken record when I say "so incredibly good"? It's so easy to underestimate how incredibly good this effect is, particularly on the first six turns of the game.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on August 05, 2015, 10:45:53 am
I proxied this card and played two games with it yesterday. I think Summon was used a total of three times. Those moments were key but obviously few and far-between.

I am absolutely not a top-level player (duh) so I tentatively think this might be one of the higher-skill cards?

forming opinions based on two games, this is always a good idea
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: GendoIkari on August 05, 2015, 10:52:34 am
My guess is you want to summon in more than 90% of the situations you can afford it. All game long.
And the remaining 10% is mostly consumed by boards you have only 1 buy and are in the endgame.

Have you played any games with the final version yet?

No, that's why I said 'guess'. I don't know how Donald would feel about discussing previous versions of summon here so I won't, but suffice to say I have experimented with weaker versions that I already considered very strong.

And just for clarity: I'm not saying it's a badly designed card at all. First of all it's an event, so it will be available for everyone all game. Secondly it won't make all games look the same (a la rebuild or cultist) because it makes you play with the rest of the kingdom. And finally it's a promo, so nothing wrong with being a bit spicy.

All I'm saying is that I expect to buy this event almost whenever I can. And I expect that whenever I buy this event, I will be able to afford another the next turn.

Maybe i am crazy to question Stef, but this seems to be crazy play on a board with strong 5s and weak or situational cards under 5? Which seems like a lot of boards?

Maybe I wouldn't say 90% vs. 10%, but I'm inclined to agree with Stef on this one. I'd say it's "over 50% vs. under 50%".

Every Action card in Dominion is measured against the cost of drawing it and playing it. It costs a card to draw it and a card to play it. Every deck in Dominion can be measured against how quickly it can play the cards it gains. There are cards that aren't really all that great, but become much better because of their ability to cycle your deck to play your important cards more often in the early game.

When you Summon something, you're fast-forwarding to play that card "immediately." This is so incredibly good. Some decks can be sped up as much as two or three turns just by this effect. That is so incredibly good.

Also, the first time you get to play it, you're eliminating that cost of a card and an action. This is so incredibly good. Every single card in Dominion that you can possibly Summon needs to be thought of in a different light (namely, the same light we though of cards under Prince) for a turn, for an effect you get "immediately". Prince of anything is so incredibly good, Summoning anything is so incredibly good and you can have it "immediately".

Do I sound like a broken record when I say "so incredibly good"? It's so easy to underestimate how incredibly good this effect is, particularly on the first six turns of the game.

This is a very interesting analysis. On one hand, buying Summon every time you have $5 means completely ignoring any $5s in the Kingdom. Skipping Witch (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Witch), Cultist (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Cultist), Rebuild (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Rebuild), Wharf (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Wharf), etc. On the other hand, it adds "+1 action, +1 card" to the $4 that you choose for the first time it's played (as well as playing it sooner). Meaning that the $4s become stronger, probably as good as the $5s you're skipping.

I wonder if it's weaker as an opener, with the obvious exception of gaining good trashers. One of the great advantages of gaining a card with it is that a gained terminal becomes non-terminal for the first play, and a gained non-terminal becomes a Village for the first play. But this doesn't help you on turn 2, and isn't likely to help you on turn 3 either. So part of the strength of the event isn't being utilized when you buy it in the opening. So it would become more dependent upon how good the card you gained with it is normally.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on August 05, 2015, 01:26:53 pm
I'm not saying that I'm an expert or anything but of the four games I played with it at GenCon:

Game One- Engine game with cheap components (Menagerie, Hamlet), I was reliably drawing my deck so it usually felt like the better move was to buy multiple components rather than summon one, or to buy $5 cards like Haunted Woods. I don't think I bought summon at all this game.

Game Two- Storyteller board with Miser and Ratcatcher for trashing, Market Square and Treasure Trove for Gold gaining. Again, whenever I had five buying more Stortellers and Treasure Troves seemed like the higher priority. I definitely didn't buy summon. I got second, but no one else used summon either.

Game Three- No +actions, I played BM/Gear. I did buy summon once, to summon a Warehouse at a moment when I knew my deck needed sifting, but it was a hard call between that and Duchy.

Game Four- Heavy engine board with Peasant, Colony, lots of other stuff. I summoned a Peasant on the second shuffle, I also put my -$2 token on Lost City and summoned that a few times. But again, a lot of the time it felt like a better move to spread out my buys between multiple components rather than summon one.

Summon seems like it's strong, but I'm not sure it's going to be an auto-buy on a lot of boards.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 05, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Well, back when Dark Ages was playtested, people also didn't commit to Rebuild, and somehow somebody who didn't commit to Rebuild won. That failed to show committing to Rebuild wasn't a dominant strategy.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 05, 2015, 02:08:57 pm
So, what cards would be best to use with it - probably something you want to keep, but is also good early on. Maybe Sea Hag then? Terminal cards are always good with this sort of effect too.

Transmogrify is good.

Basically any Reserve card.  Either they're terminal, or they call at the start of your turn.

Oh, right, immediately calling a card like Ratcatcher actually works. Nice.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 05, 2015, 06:02:40 pm
No, that's why I said 'guess'. I don't know how Donald would feel about discussing previous versions of summon here so I won't, but suffice to say I have experimented with weaker versions that I already considered very strong.

And just for clarity: I'm not saying it's a badly designed card at all. First of all it's an event, so it will be available for everyone all game. Secondly it won't make all games look the same (a la rebuild or cultist) because it makes you play with the rest of the kingdom. And finally it's a promo, so nothing wrong with being a bit spicy.

All I'm saying is that I expect to buy this event almost whenever I can. And I expect that whenever I buy this event, I will be able to afford another the next turn.
Uh, it's probably fine if you talk about the previous versions. Man. We know the card. When Adventures was getting previewed and the playtesters were saying what they thought of each card, it felt to me like, aren't people missing some joy of discovery here? But really a lot of people wouldn't see the posts, and a lot of the people who did would see lots of posts in-between when the set came out and they got it. I guess you could spoiler that stuff. You are to some degree spoiling card analysis for the people who will get the card ASAP.

I agree that, if Summon turns out to be in some sense overpowered, it's not so bad. It's the kind of thing that probably won't be hated by very many people; it makes you play more with the cheaper cards but that's not making things boring.

Stef was the one who figured out that the original or maybe 2nd version was crazy. It was $1-$2, buy an action card (so, paying the cost of the card but being able to get more expensive stuff), play it next turn. The current version is trying to be fixed, so that you will in fact not always buy it. I don't know how it will end up for serious players, but I don't see typical players just passing up good $5's constantly.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 05, 2015, 06:25:22 pm
I'm guessing FAQ and Secret History will go up when it's available on BGG?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 05, 2015, 06:28:50 pm
I'm guessing FAQ and Secret History will go up when it's available on BGG?
I like to wait on the Secret History until the product is available. The FAQ might show up on the RGG site before then; I don't remember how that goes. I haven't actually written the FAQ so feel free to offer up your confusion.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AdamH on August 05, 2015, 09:54:48 pm
When Adventures was getting previewed and the playtesters were saying what they thought of each card, it felt to me like, aren't people missing some joy of discovery here? But really a lot of people wouldn't see the posts, and a lot of the people who did would see lots of posts in-between when the set came out and they got it. I guess you could spoiler that stuff. You are to some degree spoiling card analysis for the people who will get the card ASAP.

This is true to some extent, the main reason I did that is because a lot of people asked for it. Other games like Hearthstone have streamers giving their opinions on cards before they're released -- some people like to watch that stuff, others prefer to figure it out on their own.

If people take me more seriously because I had more reps with the card when it came out, well that's their mistake :P It's all just my opinion.

And I certainly don't think Summon is overpowered -- its effect is really good but it's certainly interactive so I can't see people disliking the card because it's "too good". I do think that people underestimate its potential, though. You can do some really really good stuff with it that's much better than it appears when you consider all of the benefits you get.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Trogdor the Burninator on August 05, 2015, 11:40:17 pm
Donald never mentioned this card. MUTINY

MUTINY! CONSPIRACY!! CHEM TRAILS! BLACK HELICOPTERS!! AAAAAAAARGH

lol
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AJD on August 06, 2015, 12:17:09 am
Kind of illustrates how much bigger the fifth coin is than the fourth coin, doesn't it?

Woodcutter's a $3 card. Adding one coin gets you Nomad Camp—i.e. $4 puts the $3 card in your hand next turn.

Adding one coin to a $4 card gets you Summon—instead of putting the $4 card in your hand next turn, the fifth coin will play that card for you for free.

$5 is a much bigger step over $4 than $4 is over $3.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 06, 2015, 12:38:12 am
This is true to some extent, the main reason I did that is because a lot of people asked for it. Other games like Hearthstone have streamers giving their opinions on cards before they're released -- some people like to watch that stuff, others prefer to figure it out on their own.
Obv. anyone watching the video knows what they're getting into. I'd hate to have to highlight a spoilered video.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: singletee on August 06, 2015, 03:53:43 pm
I was thinking about what might be the most useless cards to Summon. Ruins are obvious, but other than that, probably Feast?

Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: AJD on August 06, 2015, 04:07:56 pm
Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.

You want a Duchy, but you want to wait to get it until after you've reshuffled.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on August 06, 2015, 04:21:46 pm
Well, back when Dark Ages was playtested, people also didn't commit to Rebuild, and somehow somebody who didn't commit to Rebuild won. That failed to show committing to Rebuild wasn't a dominant strategy.

I would like to think that Rebuild taught playtesters that "Always spam this card, no matter how insane that seems" is a playtesting step all cards should go through. I have faith.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 06, 2015, 04:28:53 pm
Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.

You want a Duchy, but you want to wait to get it until after you've reshuffled.

You want to help activate your Conspirators.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 06, 2015, 05:07:34 pm
I was thinking about what might be the most useless cards to Summon. Ruins are obvious, but other than that, probably Feast?

Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.

I was aware there were edge cases when i made that meme. Some more:

Contraband, Embargo, Swamp Hag, Haunted Woods, Market Square
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: shmeur on August 07, 2015, 07:04:50 am
I was thinking about what might be the most useless cards to Summon. Ruins are obvious, but other than that, probably Feast?

Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.

I was aware there were edge cases when i made that meme. Some more:

Contraband, Embargo, Swamp Hag, Haunted Woods, Market Square
Knights/Peddler/Horn of Plenty.  Also I thought it didn't work with treasures
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 07, 2015, 08:05:05 am
I was thinking about what might be the most useless cards to Summon. Ruins are obvious, but other than that, probably Feast?

Edge cases in which you would actually want to Summon Feast:

You want an Ill-Gotten Gains, but you know your opponent has Trader or Watchtower in hand.
You want an Embassy, but you want to wait to get it until your opponent reshuffles (or you know they have Watchtower in hand).
You want to get an Inn and use its on-gain ability at the start of next turn.
You want to prevent your opponent from Smuggling your nice new Mountebank.

I was aware there were edge cases when i made that meme. Some more:

Contraband, Embargo, Swamp Hag, Haunted Woods, Market Square
Knights/Peddler/Horn of Plenty.  Also I thought it didn't work with treasures

Contraband, Embargo, Swamp Hag and Haunted Woods all limit your options on buying cards. Using Summon and Feast means that you can avoid buying a card at all.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: GendoIkari on August 08, 2015, 01:18:12 pm
Also, if you aren't going to reshuffle in the current cleanup, and there's not other weird stuff going on, there simply no reason not to summons a feast if there's a $5 you want to buy. Swag points FTTW.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: sudgy on August 08, 2015, 03:17:34 pm
Or if you're trying to empty the feast pile but want to not have them in your deck and get $5s instead.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: -Stef- on August 08, 2015, 07:45:55 pm
Obviously the most interesting strategic discussion about Summon is when you should or should not summon a Feast.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: JacquesTheBard on August 08, 2015, 09:19:06 pm
I notice that there is no "Once per turn" clause, which might turn Summon into a bit of a megaturn enabler.
For example, Summoning multiple draw cards simultaneously would be excellent, as would cards with effects that self-synergize like the Bridge family.

Are there any Summon targets that will let a player re-purchase summon on a consistent basis? There are numerous cheap actions that can easily generate $5, but some (like Secret Chamber) aren't worth buying over and over again.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: singletee on August 09, 2015, 03:07:02 am
Obviously the most interesting strategic discussion about Summon is when you should or should not summon a Feast.

The Bike-Shed Effect in action. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on August 09, 2015, 11:13:45 pm
Any idea when this might slide onto BGG for sale?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on August 10, 2015, 02:44:20 am
Any idea when this might slide onto BGG for sale?
I don't have a date. I think they've been printed. Probably they go by boat (it's not like we're in a rush to get it out), and that takes a while. I don't know how long but a while. I don't want to make a guess that won't be any more informed than that.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on August 10, 2015, 03:06:20 pm
Also, if you aren't going to reshuffle in the current cleanup, and there's not other weird stuff going on, there simply no reason not to summons a feast if there's a $5 you want to buy. Swag points FTTW.

Well it's not just that. If you know you're not going to reshuffle, you might Summon a Feast to deliberately put off choosing which ≤$5 card you gain until each other player has taken another turn.

Prior to this thread, I considered Summoning a Feast to be pointless, but I'm no longer sure it's even an edge case.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: XerxesPraelor on August 10, 2015, 03:18:30 pm
It does run down the feast pile, which may be relevant to 3-pile endings.

Prior to this thread, I considered Summoning a Feast to be pointless, but I'm no longer sure it's even an edge case.

Yeah, the interaction is actually pretty good - with Summon on the board, Feast will probably be bought (technically only gained) quite a bit.

Can't wait to buy Summons.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on August 10, 2015, 04:27:10 pm
It does run down the feast pile, which may be relevant to 3-pile endings.

Prior to this thread, I considered Summoning a Feast to be pointless, but I'm no longer sure it's even an edge case.

Yeah, the interaction is actually pretty good - with Summon on the board, Feast will probably be bought (technically only gained) quite a bit.

Can't wait to buy Summons.

If there are no better targets to summon. But i agree, waiting until your next turn to choose the <(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) you get is (under certain conditions) simply better than buying it directly. Huh, didn't expect that.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: SirClemens on September 09, 2015, 02:16:32 pm
My Copy of Adventures just arrived so I will share the card art with you:
(http://i.imgur.com/2JLbA66.jpg)
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on September 09, 2015, 02:21:13 pm
My Copy of Adventures just arrived so I will share the card art with you:
(http://i.imgur.com/2JLbA66.jpg)

They left out the "if you did". Oops!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on September 09, 2015, 07:02:39 pm
I choose you, Butterfree!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on September 09, 2015, 07:45:36 pm
I am irked that the Germans are getting something before the Americans.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: drsteelhammer on September 09, 2015, 07:57:12 pm
Be comforted by the fact that we also got Adventures today, which is like 2 or 3 full Hunting Party Games on the new client after you guys got to play with it.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on September 09, 2015, 08:10:29 pm
Also be comforted that the English version will have the correct wording.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Voltaire on September 09, 2015, 09:26:04 pm
Now that is some A+ art right there.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on September 10, 2015, 06:50:45 pm
My Copy of Adventures just arrived so I will share the card art with you:
(http://i.imgur.com/2JLbA66.jpg)

Love the art. Can't wait for the Secret History
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on September 10, 2015, 07:11:34 pm
I am irked that the Germans are getting something before the Americans.

Is this a serious complaint? Because if so, I can't understand why.  :-\
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on September 10, 2015, 07:22:03 pm
I am irked that the Germans are getting something before the Americans.

Seriously? I have waited months for Adventures to become available and won't be able to lay my hands on it before the end of the month, and you complain because you are envious that somebody gets a single event card, which you could easily proxy if you absolutely wanted to, before you do?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on September 10, 2015, 07:32:12 pm
Love the art. Can't wait for the Secret History
The artist drew a sketch of a wizard in a forest shooting out a stream of butterflies. I said looks good. Then he did another sketch, the woman in that place, conjuring the weird thing from Transmogrify. I said well it's fine but I also liked the first sketch. Then he did a polished version. I said well the weird thing is weird and mentioned the butterflies again. He replaced it with a butterfly.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Beyond Awesome on September 11, 2015, 08:30:07 am
I am irked that the Germans are getting something before the Americans.

Is this a serious complaint? Because if so, I can't understand why.  :-\

Exactly. I am just glad we are getting another promo. Who cares if Germany gets it before the US?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on September 11, 2015, 09:25:27 am
I'm surprised so many of you like the art so much. I though cubism was a matter of the past. But seriously, it reminds me of "Der Blaue Reiter", or Franz Marc, to be specific. I don't really dislike it, but i don't understand why it's so super-amazing.

Also this translation is terrible. I have to assume the translators didn't know the art, but even then "Einladung" fits NONE of the meanings of summon ("Vorladung" or "Einbestellung", maybe). Adventures having a fantasy theme should have been a hint, too.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Watno on September 11, 2015, 09:40:25 am
They also could have asked instead of guessed.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Eran of Arcadia on September 11, 2015, 12:51:17 pm
The artist drew a sketch of a wizard in a forest shooting out a stream of butterflies. I said looks good. Then he did another sketch, the woman in that place, conjuring the weird thing from Transmogrify. I said well it's fine but I also liked the first sketch. Then he did a polished version. I said well the weird thing is weird and mentioned the butterflies again. He replaced it with a butterfly.

I assumed it was "summon" as in "the king summons you" not "summon" as in "Summon Greater Fish." Now that you mention it the card art makes more sense.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on September 13, 2015, 09:28:56 pm
So... when's the English version coming out?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on November 05, 2015, 12:44:44 am
So... when's the English version coming out?
It's in the store now on BGG.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Elestan on November 05, 2015, 12:55:05 am
It's in the store now on BGG.

Or come compete in the Michigan Tournament (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13941.msg527301#msg527301), where I will be giving them out to all entrants!
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: buckyball on November 05, 2015, 02:00:15 am
Cannot place order, conditions not met:

Must have at least $4 in total.

 :(

Hope a local game store in the Bay Area has it.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: eHalcyon on November 05, 2015, 02:07:08 am
Cannot place order, conditions not met:

Must have at least $4 in total.

 :(

Hope a local game store in the Bay Area has it.

You could just add some other stuff to the order?  Dominion blank cards, any other Dominion promos you might be missing, promos for other games you have, actual new games, or even just some metal cubes or something?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 05, 2015, 09:30:27 am
Placed my order, adding the Kingdom Builder Island thing to get it over $4, confirmed it... put in the wrong town name.  >.<  How quickly do they usually reply via email?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: buckyball on November 05, 2015, 10:22:20 am
Cannot place order, conditions not met:

Must have at least $4 in total.

 :(

Hope a local game store in the Bay Area has it.

You could just add some other stuff to the order?  Dominion blank cards, any other Dominion promos you might be missing, promos for other games you have, actual new games, or even just some metal cubes or something?

haha. yeah, now that wero. mentioned Kingdom Builder promo, I might get it. I already have all Dominion promos.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 05, 2015, 10:26:10 am
Also, does this mean we get a FAQ and Secret History now?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: LastFootnote on November 05, 2015, 10:26:58 am
I (foolishly?) ordered the Kingdom Builder Island promo last night, before I knew Summon was/would be available. I added a set of Dominion blanks to my Summon order; can't have too many of those.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 13, 2015, 10:30:06 am
So I got my copy of Summon, and it did not come with a FAQ.  Where might it be found?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Donald X. on November 13, 2015, 02:58:51 pm
So I got my copy of Summon, and it did not come with a FAQ.  Where might it be found?
Just on the off-chance that there isn't one yet, what do you think are the kinds of things you might frequently ask?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 13, 2015, 03:56:28 pm
So I got my copy of Summon, and it did not come with a FAQ.  Where might it be found?
Just on the off-chance that there isn't one yet, what do you think are the kinds of things you might frequently ask?

-what happens if I Watchtower the card
-do I resolve Durations/call Reserves before or after it
-what if I used Bridge to Summon an expensive card
-can I Summon on a Mission turn
-who gets the card during Possession
-what if I'm Possessed after I Summon it
-what if the game ends between the turn I Summoned it and the next (if it's a Victory card)
-does the Summoned card count as a card in play for Peddler
-what if the Summoned card has on-gain stuff
-what if the Summoned card has on-buy stuff

Note, I'm pretty sure I know the answers to these questions, but others might not.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Accatitippi on November 13, 2015, 03:57:00 pm
Gosh, does that activate on-buy effects like for example Messenger?
Does it use up my action for next turn?
What if I trash the summoned card with say Watch tower?
Why a butterfly?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: eHalcyon on November 13, 2015, 04:14:19 pm
Q: How do I get my own fan card published as an official promo?
A: No.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on November 13, 2015, 05:40:09 pm
I don't know whether there is a FAQ. But if there is and Wero gets his hands on it, i count on it being on the wiki half an hour later.

You can take this as appreciation as well as as me poking fun. Best both.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Watno on November 14, 2015, 12:54:29 pm
When will we get the next expansion?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 14, 2015, 12:59:56 pm
Hmm.  By my current interpretation of the rules, neither Death Cart nor Border Village can be properly Summoned, the way the Event is worded.

* Gain an Action card costing up to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png).
- Okay, I gain a Death Cart.  That goes into my discard pile, and two Ruins get thrown on top of it.
* Set it aside.
- Set what aside?  All I see in my discard pile is a Ruins.  I must have lost track of something...
* If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.
- Play what?

EDIT: This is similar to how, with Border Village, after I gain it, I choose whether to gain the other card or to reveal Watchtower first.  If I choose to gain the other card first, that goes on top of Border Village, which I've now lost track of, and can neither trash nor top-deck with Watchtower.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on November 14, 2015, 03:39:15 pm
Hmm.  By my current interpretation of the rules, neither Death Cart nor Border Village can be properly Summoned, the way the Event is worded.

* Gain an Action card costing up to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png).
- Okay, I gain a Death Cart.  That goes into my discard pile, and two Ruins get thrown on top of it.
* Set it aside.
- Set what aside?  All I see in my discard pile is a Ruins.  I must have lost track of something...
* If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.
- Play what?

EDIT: This is similar to how, with Border Village, after I gain it, I choose whether to gain the other card or to reveal Watchtower first.  If I choose to gain the other card first, that goes on top of Border Village, which I've now lost track of, and can neither trash nor top-deck with Watchtower.

You can play a card even if it's not where expected, as you can see with Throne Room/Feast. The reason is that lose track only applies to moving things, but while playing usually implies moving, it's not depending on it. Trashing the Death Cart on the other hand requires moving it, which will become impossible after gaining the Ruins. Therefore, using Summon to play Death Cart will simply give you a lot of money and the chance to trash a junk action next turn.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: werothegreat on November 14, 2015, 03:54:50 pm
Hmm.  By my current interpretation of the rules, neither Death Cart nor Border Village can be properly Summoned, the way the Event is worded.

* Gain an Action card costing up to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png).
- Okay, I gain a Death Cart.  That goes into my discard pile, and two Ruins get thrown on top of it.
* Set it aside.
- Set what aside?  All I see in my discard pile is a Ruins.  I must have lost track of something...
* If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.
- Play what?

EDIT: This is similar to how, with Border Village, after I gain it, I choose whether to gain the other card or to reveal Watchtower first.  If I choose to gain the other card first, that goes on top of Border Village, which I've now lost track of, and can neither trash nor top-deck with Watchtower.

You can play a card even if it's not where expected, as you can see with Throne Room/Feast. The reason is that lose track only applies to moving things, but while playing usually implies moving, it's not depending on it. Trashing the Death Cart on the other hand requires moving it, which will become impossible after gaining the Ruins. Therefore, using Summon to play Death Cart will simply give you a lot of money and the chance to trash a junk action next turn.

But from Summon's wording, you only play the card if you do move it, if it is set aside.  If the card is not set aside, it is not played.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Asper on November 14, 2015, 04:53:41 pm
Hmm.  By my current interpretation of the rules, neither Death Cart nor Border Village can be properly Summoned, the way the Event is worded.

* Gain an Action card costing up to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png).
- Okay, I gain a Death Cart.  That goes into my discard pile, and two Ruins get thrown on top of it.
* Set it aside.
- Set what aside?  All I see in my discard pile is a Ruins.  I must have lost track of something...
* If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.
- Play what?

EDIT: This is similar to how, with Border Village, after I gain it, I choose whether to gain the other card or to reveal Watchtower first.  If I choose to gain the other card first, that goes on top of Border Village, which I've now lost track of, and can neither trash nor top-deck with Watchtower.

You can play a card even if it's not where expected, as you can see with Throne Room/Feast. The reason is that lose track only applies to moving things, but while playing usually implies moving, it's not depending on it. Trashing the Death Cart on the other hand requires moving it, which will become impossible after gaining the Ruins. Therefore, using Summon to play Death Cart will simply give you a lot of money and the chance to trash a junk action next turn.

But from Summon's wording, you only play the card if you do move it, if it is set aside.  If the card is not set aside, it is not played.

Dammit, i was coming from the german version in this thread. Well, seems like we found a case where that mistranslation matters.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: werothegreat on November 15, 2015, 12:24:23 pm
Also, if you call a Duplicate on a Summoned card, it can't be set aside.  And Inn can't be Summoned if you decide to shuffle it into your deck (which would be silly).

Also, rules question: can you call Duplicate when there's no other copy of the card to gain?  I've no idea why you would, it would do nothing (well, it would get more Actions in play for Peddler), but can you?  Basically call it, try and fail to gain a card.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: Donald X. on November 15, 2015, 01:36:22 pm
Also, rules question: can you call Duplicate when there's no other copy of the card to gain?  I've no idea why you would, it would do nothing (well, it would get more Actions in play for Peddler), but can you?  Basically call it, try and fail to gain a card.
Yes, nowhere in Dominion is an effect limited in that way. All that matters is meeting the condition; then you try your best to do whatever it says to do.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: Beyond Awesome on November 15, 2015, 11:06:43 pm
I finally played with this card irl. It's pretty strong
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: werothegreat on November 19, 2015, 12:25:03 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: LastFootnote on November 19, 2015, 12:48:19 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.

I believe Donald has confirmed this elsewhere, and that the Summoned card does indeed visit the discard pile (or the top of your deck in the case of Nomad Camp).
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: werothegreat on November 19, 2015, 08:28:48 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.

I believe Donald has confirmed this elsewhere, and that the Summoned card does indeed visit the discard pile (or the top of your deck in the case of Nomad Camp).

So I'm right that Death Cart can't be set aside by Summon unless the Ruins pile is empty?
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: LastFootnote on November 19, 2015, 10:51:55 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.

I believe Donald has confirmed this elsewhere, and that the Summoned card does indeed visit the discard pile (or the top of your deck in the case of Nomad Camp).

So I'm right that Death Cart can't be set aside by Summon unless the Ruins pile is empty?

Seems that way to me.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: werothegreat on November 19, 2015, 10:54:35 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.

I believe Donald has confirmed this elsewhere, and that the Summoned card does indeed visit the discard pile (or the top of your deck in the case of Nomad Camp).

So I'm right that Death Cart can't be set aside by Summon unless the Ruins pile is empty?

Seems that way to me.

Hmm.  So what sort of things were you trying to avoid by not just making it "gain a card and set it aside" and have it Not Visit?
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: LastFootnote on November 19, 2015, 11:07:22 am
I guess the questions here is, which rule applies: Lose Track, or No Visiting?  If the Summoned card Visits the discard pile, then if you Summon a Death Cart, it will be covered by its gained Ruins, and be Lost Track of.  But if it doesn't Visit, and goes straight to set-aside land, then Death Cart will be played at the start of your next turn if Summoned.

I'm inclined to think it's the former, given that "gain" and "set aside" are separate sentences on the Event.

I believe Donald has confirmed this elsewhere, and that the Summoned card does indeed visit the discard pile (or the top of your deck in the case of Nomad Camp).

So I'm right that Death Cart can't be set aside by Summon unless the Ruins pile is empty?

Seems that way to me.

Hmm.  So what sort of things were you trying to avoid by not just making it "gain a card and set it aside" and have it Not Visit?

I'm not sure there was any consideration other than maybe breaking it up into two sentences. It's not so bad that it doesn't worth on Death Cart, though I think it would be nice if it did. Probably some IRL groups will make the mistake of thinking they can do it, but I don't think it's ruining those games.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: Eran of Arcadia on November 19, 2015, 11:20:50 am
Probably some IRL groups will make the mistake of thinking they can do it, but I don't think it's ruining those games.

The great thing about IRL games is that you can houserule anything you want. And this is exactly the sort of thing I'd houserule.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: Donald X. on November 19, 2015, 01:33:20 pm
Hmm.  So what sort of things were you trying to avoid by not just making it "gain a card and set it aside" and have it Not Visit?
It's not intentional other than via trying to have a nice readable card phrasing. I do not consider every possible way of communicating effects; I try to find a good way and if I have one then there it is. This "issue" didn't come up.
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: GendoIkari on November 21, 2015, 08:12:28 pm
Just bought this at bgg.con. Kind of funny to spend $5 on a single card (not a set of 10); plus one that physically owning it has no impact on your ability to play with it. But totally worth it anyway!
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: enfynet on December 10, 2015, 02:48:08 pm
So I'm late to the party (typical seasonal obsession) and just found out about this. [Though, a little bummed to find out it doesn't come with a fixed Pathfinding.]

I see this being quite useful in many games, with the number of good $3 and $4 engine parts.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Willvon on December 22, 2015, 11:32:34 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/3fobgo/new_promo_event_at_gencon/

From the link: Summon(5 cost) Gain a card costing up to 4 and set it aside. At the start of your next turn play the set aside card.

Update:
Summon: Event, $5
Gain an Action card costing up to $4. Set it aside. If you do, then at the start of your next turn, play it.


I notice that Summon does not say "from the supply". So does that mean that you can use it to gain a Traveller that costs under $4 or less, or a Madman, or a Mercenary?
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: eHalcyon on December 22, 2015, 11:38:43 pm
I notice that Summon does not say "from the supply". So does that mean that you can use it to gain a Traveller that costs under $4 or less, or a Madman, or a Mercenary?

No.  Card gains are always from the Supply unless otherwise specified.  Note how Workshop doesn't say "from the Supply" either.
Title: Re: Promo Event card in Germany
Post by: Jeebus on January 28, 2016, 08:21:59 pm
-who gets the card during Possession

This is the most interesting question. I guess Possession's when-would-gain works like Trader's. If I'm Possessed and buy Summon, I don't gain the card, instead the Possessor gains it. So there is no "it" to set aside (blue dog territory). So it will not be played at the start of my next turn (and we don't have to wonder if/how I would play it if it's in my opponent's set-aside area). And so nobody wants to Possess someone and make them buy Summon.

Correct?
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: werothegreat on February 04, 2016, 01:39:39 pm
So... are we going to be getting an official FAQ at some point?
Title: Re: Summon: Promo Event card
Post by: LastFootnote on February 04, 2016, 02:23:47 pm
I'll take a crack at writing one, since it is my promo.

When you buy this, you gain an Action card costing up to $4 from the Supply and set it aside face up. If you did set it aside, then at the start of your next turn, play that Action card. This doesn't use up your default Action for the turn. In order to remember to play the card on your next turn, you may want to turn it sideways or diagonally, turning it right side up when you play it. If you move the Action card after you gain it but before you set it aside (e.g. by putting it on top of your deck with Watchtower, from Dominion: Prosperity), then Summon will "lose track" of it and be unable to set it aside; in that case you will not play it at the start of your next turn. If you use Summon to gain a Nomad Camp (from Dominion: Hinterlands), Summon will know to find the Nomad Camp on your deck, so you will set it aside in that case (unless you have moved it elsewhere via another ability).