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Dominion => Variants and Fan Cards => Topic started by: belugawhale on June 17, 2015, 12:33:17 am

Title: Conversion between coin and potion
Post by: belugawhale on June 17, 2015, 12:33:17 am
I was thinking about how Alchemy is hated due to its potion mechanic, and I thought of this card.

Money Exchange
Action - (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png)

+1 Buy
You may trash a card from your hand. If you trashed a treasure, choose one: +(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png), or +(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png). Otherwise, if you trashed a card, gain a treasure costing up to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png) or (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png) more than the trashed card.
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In games using this, you may pay (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png). If you do, +(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png). You may pay (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png). If you do, +(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png).

The main idea of this card was the ability to buy potion-cost cards at a cost of a hit to your economy, and also to provide a use for a dead potion. This card allows you to buy a one-use potion for (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/32/Coin3.png/16px-Coin3.png), or treat a potion as a silver (similar to mine/potion, but with more like an event). Its on-play effects are a variable but weaker moneylender, or a slightly stronger remodel with a higher opportunity cost.

Feedback is welcome.
Title: Re: Conversion between coin and potion
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 23, 2015, 10:27:41 am
The card itself has a rather simple effect.

However, I'm pessimistic about Alchemy, you can't bring up a whole new mechanic to Potions like this... especially the one you suggested that will make Potion strictly better than Silver for an extra $1.
Title: Re: Conversion between coin and potion
Post by: Holger on June 24, 2015, 04:33:11 am
The card itself has a rather simple effect.

However, I'm pessimistic about Alchemy, you can't bring up a whole new mechanic to Potions like this... especially the one you suggested that will make Potion strictly better than Silver for an extra $1.

Yes, that would make Alchemy cards far too strong. And the "$3->P" transformation allows potion-cost cards to be bought on T1/2 (and without the opportunity cost of buying Potion first), which is almost as bad.

What might work is "You may pay P. If you do, +$1." (i.e. allowing Potions to be used as Coppers), which was suggested some time ago on BGG - this should reduce the potion-related variance without making Alchemy cards far too strong, at least when playing with only 1-2 Alchemy cards.