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Title: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Emeric on April 09, 2015, 07:59:51 am
French distributor of Dominion (Ystari) make an article on his website with 2 events we doesn't know yet.
http://www.ystari.com/?p=3283

In French : Pistage -> In English : Tracking (?)
In French : Quête  -> In English : Quest (?)

Pistage/Tracking : cost $2
+1 buy, Look at the top 5 cards of your deck. Discard 3 and place the other cards on top of your deck in any order.

Quête/Quest : cost $0
You can discard one Attack card or 2 curses or any 6 cards. In this case, gain a gold
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 09, 2015, 08:08:35 am
That translation of Quest makes no sense.

Tracking seems pretty sweet. $2 seems a reasonable price tag for that ability.

EDIT: Hmm, well, if Quest is to be taken literally I guess that means you discard from your current hand. So, if you have an unused attack, get a free gold. Have two curses, get a free gold. Not bad actually. This also can make one think twice about going for a curser. Very interesting. The first time I read Quest, for some reason, I thought it was referring to your hand for the next turn. For the cost of $0, this is actually pretty darn strong. Sure, I will discard a Fortune Teller for a gold. 6 cards seems a bit trickier though.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 08:27:31 am
That translation of Quest makes no sense.

...it's easy to understand:


Quote
Quête/Quest : cost $0
You may discard one Attack card, or 2 curses, or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a Gold.

The fact that Quest still costs a buy makes it more expensive than it looks.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 09, 2015, 08:30:12 am
That translation of Quest makes no sense.

...it's easy to understand:


Quote
Quête/Quest : cost $0
You may discard one Attack card, or 2 curses, or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a Gold.

The fact that Quest still costs a buy makes it more expensive than it looks.

My misunderstanding came from the fact that for some weird reason I thought it was referring to your hand for the next turn.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Watno on April 09, 2015, 08:31:52 am
Quest should be good against Haunted Woods.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 09, 2015, 08:34:41 am
Tracking seems like a card that really adds a lot of strategic depth. Man, this expansion is really going to make our heads hurt.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: markusin on April 09, 2015, 08:36:17 am
That translation of Quest makes no sense.

Tracking seems pretty sweet. $2 seems a reasonable price tag for that ability.
I was unable to find an example an example of an "if you do" clause in Dominion cards translated to French on google. I assume Quest(?) reads:

"You may discard an Attack Card, 2 Curses or any 6 cards. If you do, gain a gold."

How do you capture having to discard the specified amount of cards to get an effect. Like, do you actually have to trash 2 csrd s to get Mercenary's effect, or can you get the draw even if you only trash one card?

"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

This event would mean you can still buy Gold with weak hands. Say you play a Smithy but still come up short on $6, you can just buy this event. The other conditions can come into play too of course.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: LastFootnote on April 09, 2015, 08:39:29 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 09, 2015, 08:42:31 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Watno on April 09, 2015, 08:55:46 am
The more I think about it, the more I think the Attack option will be the most useful on Quest. You can overbuy terminal attacks without fear of collision
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: LastFootnote on April 09, 2015, 09:00:15 am
The more I think about it, the more I think the Attack option will be the most useful on Quest. You can overbuy terminal attacks without fear of collision

It's certainly the option I've used most often, but I have used all three.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: LastFootnote on April 09, 2015, 09:04:48 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: AJD on April 09, 2015, 09:13:16 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.

…You still want your Ambassadors to line up with pairs of Copper or Estate, right?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jsh357 on April 09, 2015, 09:15:46 am
I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

Quest is hilarious with Tunnel, btw.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: werothegreat on April 09, 2015, 09:49:20 am
Guess we already have a couple translations!
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: liopoil on April 09, 2015, 09:58:20 am
I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jsh357 on April 09, 2015, 10:01:48 am
I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

Imagine you're in a bad slog, but you have some draw.  Every now and then, you draw enough bad cards to justify this.  Quest is a neat card in Cursing games in general.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: markusin on April 09, 2015, 10:02:36 am
I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.
What if you were looking to buy a Gold anyway, but came short on cash. But yeah, the other options feel more natural.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 10:05:15 am
"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

That's how it's translated (check "Prêteur sur Gages", for example). Otherwise they would have to write "Si vous le faites", which is a bit longer.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

BM+Terminal Draw? Especially with Witch.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Kirian on April 09, 2015, 10:08:19 am
I'm really happy that there are more free events/ones that give a buy, because I didn't want borrow to be the only one.

I don't see myself having 6 cards I'm willing to discard for a gold very often.

I've done this many times with Vault.  It's common to not discard the Coppers... but you might as well.  Same thing here, those three Coppers and three greens weren't doing much for you, take a Gold instead.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: liopoil on April 09, 2015, 10:10:48 am
Uhh, so sounds like none of you 4 are actually dissagreeing with me. I said not very often... and note that in thise same scenarios I am also reasonably likely to have two curse or an attack card. Sometimes you won't have those things and you'll have to use the third option, but that won't be very often.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: werothegreat on April 09, 2015, 10:11:15 am
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jsh357 on April 09, 2015, 10:12:12 am
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Yes.  Hence the amazing synergy with Tunnel.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Emeric on April 09, 2015, 10:21:22 am
When there is no more curse, my SeaHag go in a quest trying to imitate Soothsayer !
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 10:26:02 am
Uhh, so sounds like none of you 4 are actually dissagreeing with me. I said not very often... and note that in thise same scenarios I am also reasonably likely to have two curse or an attack card. Sometimes you won't have those things and you'll have to use the third option, but that won't be very often.

I don't think you are going to discard your attack card unless it's dead in your hand.

I think all +2 cards Actions are going to be good with Quest in BM, but special mention on Courtyard.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Orange on April 09, 2015, 10:32:49 am
You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: enfynet on April 09, 2015, 10:40:08 am
You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.
T1 Gold because you had a 2/5 split? Now you have a (slim) chance at T2 $7? Nice.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Gveoniz on April 09, 2015, 10:52:29 am
Pistage turns a normal 5/2 opening into a 3/2+ , potentially 3/6 and more
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: werothegreat on April 09, 2015, 10:54:53 am
Also, unlike Borrow, you can buy as many Trackings as you like.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 10:56:33 am
One "problem" with "Pistage" is that you have to buy it before whatever else you want to buy, which might cause that whatever to miss the reshuffle.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: faust on April 09, 2015, 11:03:29 am
Also, unlike Borrow, you can buy as many Trackings as you like.

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: TheOthin on April 09, 2015, 11:05:05 am
One nice thing about Quest is that, unlike Trade, you don't have to also be playing cards from your hand to pay for it.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Tables on April 09, 2015, 02:26:57 pm
You buy Lost City.  My hand is meh.  I Quest a Gold.
T1 Gold because you had a 2/5 split? Now you have a (slim) chance at T2 $7? Nice.

Inheritance makes this sound like a lot of fun. Now you can open Gold/Tournament/Tournament/Tournament and 'get rid' of 3 Estates in the process.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: shmeur on April 09, 2015, 02:43:30 pm
Pistage doesn't look that strong (at least early game) imo.  Quest, on the other hand, is strong but only early game.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 03:40:25 pm
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61116974.jpg)
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 09, 2015, 03:47:32 pm
So you can Quest just to discard, even if you don't have six cards? 
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 09, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses? 
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: GendoIkari on April 09, 2015, 03:56:55 pm
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Sure. But you wouldn't gain a gold. Could be a way to activate Tunnel or defense against Haunted Woods.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: platykurtic on April 09, 2015, 04:52:57 pm
Quest could really turn some slogs into big money games. Imagine a board that would end up just a curse slog with Witch. Now any hand with a Witch or two Curses equals a Gold. Your deck will be flooded, and the game will probably end on Provinces super quick
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
One "problem" with "Pistage" is that you have to buy it before whatever else you want to buy, which might cause that whatever to miss the reshuffle.

If you have +Buy of your own, you can buy something else first.




Quest reminds me a lot of Vault (which Kirian already mentioned) as long as you have any +2 Cards draw.  The big difference is that Quest will only ever get you to Gold while Vault gets you to Province or better pretty quickly.  That should make Quest+BM significantly weaker.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 09, 2015, 06:47:36 pm
Pistage doesn't look that strong (at least early game) imo.  Quest, on the other hand, is strong but only early game.


On a 5/2, it can be pretty awesome. It makes those 3 estates and 2 coppers miss the shuffle, plus it sifts through your deck to help you get to your 5 guaranteed turn 3.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: AJD on April 09, 2015, 06:53:39 pm
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses?

Hmm, good question! Let's make it concrete:

Suppose I have nothing but an Ambassador and a Tunnel in hand when I buy Quest. Is it possible for me to gain two Golds?
1. I opt to discard "any six cards".
2. I "do as much as I can", discarding two cards, gaining a Gold for my Tunnel.
3. The Event says "if you do…". If you do what? "Discard an Attack, two Curses, or any six cards". Well, I did that! As it turns out, I discarded an Attack! So I gain Gold from the Event.

…My guess is no, this doesn't work; but I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Jimmmmm on April 09, 2015, 06:55:30 pm
I love how we're referring to it as Pistage. I hope that sticks.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 09, 2015, 07:01:50 pm
I for one am having a hard time not referring to it as Pistache.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 09, 2015, 07:03:39 pm
Clearly it should be Pistachio.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 09, 2015, 07:04:59 pm
If you don't have an Attack or Curse or 6 cards in hand, can you still buy a Quest to just discard as many cards as you can?

Hmm.. what if you do have an Attack or Curses in hand?  Can you discard your entire hand and "trigger" any of the clauses?

Hmm, good question! Let's make it concrete:

Suppose I have nothing but an Ambassador and a Tunnel in hand when I buy Quest. Is it possible for me to gain two Golds?
1. I opt to discard "any six cards".
2. I "do as much as I can", discarding two cards, gaining a Gold for my Tunnel.
3. The Event says "if you do…". If you do what? "Discard an Attack, two Curses, or any six cards". Well, I did that! As it turns out, I discarded an Attack! So I gain Gold from the Event.

…My guess is no, this doesn't work; but I've been wrong before.

Thus is my guess, too.  I first select one of A, B, C, attempt to follow. and then check if I successfully did what I selected. 
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: WanderingWinder on April 09, 2015, 07:14:02 pm
I for one am having a hard time not referring to it as Pistache.

I keep thinking Pastiche.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jaketheyak on April 09, 2015, 09:54:33 pm
My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 10, 2015, 08:59:38 am
Thanks Buzz Killington
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Mezi-Crochet on April 10, 2015, 09:30:50 am


"Dans ce cas " really does translate to "in this case" though. Maybe that's just how those kinds of effects are written in French.

Dans ce cas is the translation of if you do in dominion language... I confirm!
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Mezi-Crochet on April 10, 2015, 09:34:16 am
My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 10, 2015, 09:46:02 am
My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I don't think gerund is used for Dominion titles.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Kirian on April 10, 2015, 09:47:54 am
Tracking
$1 - Event - Hunter

Look at the top 3 cards of your deck.  Draw one and discard the others.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 10, 2015, 09:50:41 am
Tracking
$1 - Event - Hunter

Look at the top 3 cards of your deck.  Draw one and discard the othersput the top two back on top of your deck in any order.

Wishing Well is aided by good Tracking!
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Just a Rube on April 10, 2015, 07:00:37 pm
Clearly it should be Pistachio.
But how does it combo with Bacon Cheeseburger?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jaketheyak on April 11, 2015, 02:16:14 am
My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I think the most direct translation is Tracking, but this strongly suggests that it's not the correct name for the card in English:

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

To me the art looks like a group hunting a person or animal.
The guy at the front is a tracker searching for footprints.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: werothegreat on April 11, 2015, 02:22:53 am
I can see Tracking setting up a Doctor overpay.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Asper on April 11, 2015, 08:48:04 am
Seems like Quest is as close to an alternative Curse as we'll get, don't you think? I mean, it gives them the ability to gain Golds and in turn adds the same ability to Cursers - so you don't skip Cursers because of Quest, i assume. The six card clause seems more like a "what if there's no attacks" thing to me. I'm not saying that's the order in which things will matter, maybe six cards are more often used than attacks, or attacks more often than Curses. Just concept-wise, that's the vibe i get from Quest.

Edit: Missused "as close as it gets" as "as close as we'll get".
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: joel88s on April 11, 2015, 03:06:46 pm
My guesses for the English name of Pistage are either Hunt or Pursuit.

I'm francophone, I would say than Pistage is more the translation of tracking than hunt, Pursuit is also a good fit...

I would guess than the translation will be tracking, but will see

I think the most direct translation is Tracking, but this strongly suggests that it's not the correct name for the card in English:

I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

To me the art looks like a group hunting a person or animal.
The guy at the front is a tracker searching for footprints.

It's always possible the name is something very idiomatic in English that had to be loosely translated (like 'Goons', e.g.) I'm having trouble thinking what though. Thought maybe something like 'Sleuth' but that doesn't go with the picture you describe. Based on that, Tracker seems a fair bet though.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: shmeur on April 11, 2015, 05:25:38 pm
It could just be "Track" tbh.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jdgordon on April 14, 2015, 02:03:03 am

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.

wait what? Why not?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: eHalcyon on April 14, 2015, 02:07:17 am

I guess it's a good thing that cost reducers don't work on events then.

wait what? Why not?

Because the cost reducers reduce the cost of all cards.  Events aren't cards.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jdgordon on April 14, 2015, 02:25:13 am
right, ok. ta
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Gherald on April 14, 2015, 02:52:05 am
(http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-08-a%CC%80-11.26.53.png)

Hey guys, I found a closeup shot!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/4/46/Scout.jpg)
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: ipofanes on April 14, 2015, 03:40:20 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

That's one way to take care of Ambassador collision.

Now I'm starting to wonder if Ambassador/Stonemason(Ambassador/Ambassador) is a good opening on a board with Baker and Quest.

…You still want your Ambassadors to line up with pairs of Copper or Estate, right?

Plus if you have an Ambassador/Ambassador/Quest collision, you'd still have to decide between using Quest to gain gold against using Ambassador for shoving back those coppers/estates. Either way, at least one card remains useless. I really don't know what the benefit over an Ambassador collision sans Quête would be.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Gherald on April 14, 2015, 04:09:31 am
Uhm guys, Quest is an event. This all happens on the same turn:

1) You draw double Amb and CCE or EEC
2) You return CC or EE with the first Amb
3) You buy a Quest for $0 and discard the second Amb, to gain a Gold
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: ipofanes on April 14, 2015, 05:55:14 am
Of course. My bad.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Grujah on April 14, 2015, 07:50:56 am
Open Village/Village on  Quest board :P
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Witherweaver on April 14, 2015, 09:20:52 am
If you thought a double Ambassador opening was good before…

Wow, I didn't even think about Quest's utility for terminal (Attack) collision in the beginning of the game.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: ipofanes on April 14, 2015, 09:50:06 am
How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Awaclus on April 14, 2015, 09:58:58 am
How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.

You still need to spend a buy for it, so unless you have more +buy in your deck than you need, that's not very good.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: mborda on April 15, 2015, 09:06:07 am
Are the English names confirmed?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: ipofanes on April 15, 2015, 09:26:35 am
How would Quête affect a Torturer pin strategy? Getting one Gold for two Curses is still Copper density, plus you lose the option of discarding two Curses to the third Torturer.

You still need to spend a buy for it, so unless you have more +buy in your deck than you need, that's not very good.

Gaining a Gold when you have less than €6 in hand is often an attractive option.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Watno on April 15, 2015, 09:28:38 am
I guess there is no harm in stating those translations are, though not perfect, accurate to what the cards do.  I'll let you guys speculate on the name of the first one, though.

So Quest is confirmed, Tracking is confirmed wrong.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: jaketheyak on April 19, 2015, 07:23:04 am
(http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-08-a%CC%80-11.26.53.png)

Hey guys, I found a closeup shot!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/4/46/Scout.jpg)

OMG, you freakin' nailed it!
Scouting Party. (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Scouting_Party)
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Emeric on April 22, 2015, 03:11:28 pm
French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Awaclus on April 22, 2015, 03:43:45 pm
That's a big translation mistake.

for you
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: shmeur on April 22, 2015, 06:36:55 pm
What is the French title for Duplicate btw?  Is it Dupliquer? Or a noun? 
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: GendoIkari on April 22, 2015, 06:44:31 pm
French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2015, 06:50:12 pm
French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."

In this setup, if you play Saboteur instead of Swindler and hit Mountebank, your opponent chooses a replacement.  So if Mountebank is only $3 for you, that means it is $5 for your opponent and she could choose Silver as the replacement?
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: pacovf on April 22, 2015, 07:42:40 pm
As written, what is implied is that cards from that pile cost 2$ less when you buy them.

So, hopefully the FAQ clarifies it. It's still going to cause issues when you get that event out with players that haven't read the rulebook. Ugh.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Asper on April 23, 2015, 03:47:29 am
French Editor continue his own preview for french player and show an event with a big translation mistake :
For the "Ferry" Event, the translation give by the french editor is : "Placez votre jeton "-2" sur une pile de cartes Actions de la réserve (désormais, pendant vos tours, les cartes de cette pile vous coûtent 2 de moins, mais jamais moins que 0)".

If I translate again this sentence in english it means : "Move your "-2" token to an action supplu pile (cards from that pile cost for you 2 less on your turns, but not less than 0)"

This litte "for you" ("vous" in french) added in the sentence change the rule of this event.

You can see the card here : http://www.ystari.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Capture-d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran-2015-04-22-a%CC%80-12.29.41.png

Well it will lead to some people asking questions that are hopefully clarified in the FAQ, but it's really just more ambiguous/confusing than flat-out wrong. It doesn't say "your cards", it says "for you"... and "for you" is a meaningless and undefined concept in Dominion. When I play Swinder with the token on Swindler, my opponent's Mountebank costs $3, and the French wording doesn't contradict. It's just that it's "for me" that his Mountebank costs $3. So I replace it with a $3, because it costs $3 "for me."

In this setup, if you play Saboteur instead of Swindler and hit Mountebank, your opponent chooses a replacement.  So if Mountebank is only $3 for you, that means it is $5 for your opponent and she could choose Silver as the replacement?

What if you play Saboteur and she reveals a Swindler? Does it cost $3 or more? What if you play Swindler and she reveals a Cellar? Does she gain a Curse? It's more than just ambigous/confusing.

Edit: Also, can't you translate it as "they cost you", too? That shifts the emphasis to "when you try to buy or gain them".
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Emeric on May 22, 2015, 08:15:47 am
The French translator maintains that his version is correct (here in french http://www.trictrac.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141913&p=2261830#p2261496). He explains that he even asked Donald X. validate that tokens are applicable only to player who played it and I think he hurt interpret the response of Donald X.

It is sad to know before the French version release that there is an error in it.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Asper on May 22, 2015, 01:24:30 pm
Well... "Vouz" can be translated to "y'all", can't it? Probably inconsistent, though.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Emeric on July 22, 2015, 09:56:47 am
French editor just write on his blog that Adventure will arrive in october in France.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: werothegreat on July 23, 2015, 01:59:19 pm
I find it hilarious that Reserve cards are called "Tavern" cards in French.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Voltaire on July 23, 2015, 09:21:28 pm
I find it hilarious that Reserve cards are called "Tavern" cards in French.

I find it sensible! I call the Tavern mat the Reserve mat, because why in the world is it the Tavern mat anyway. It just needs one thing.
Title: Re: French Preview : Pistage / Quête
Post by: Seprix on July 31, 2015, 12:41:56 pm
I've been doing some thinking, and this Event is hella strong in Bm decks with Courtyard and Gear. Insta-Gold as quick as T3, and you can top deck/set-aside your best economy card (like more Gold) even!