I have a good one: (http://dominionlogs.goko.com/20150408/log.50ba29b8e4b015dcbac5f45a.1428534311280.txt)
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Because the thread has been quiet so long, a new one for describing obviously wrong or not-so-obviously-but-still-definitely wrong bot actions and strategies.
Bot plays Band of Misfits. It can choose Treasure Map, Tournament, Scheme or Masquerade. It chooses Tournament. I reveal a Province. The bot plays another Band of Misfits, and again chooses Tournament, apparently hoping that this time I keep my Tournament to myself...
Bot, possessing me, and knowing that there is a Curse on top of my deck (because of a previous Oracle), plays Mystic, and finds the Curse that it knows is there, rather than keeping it there to spoil my next hand.
Bot, possessing me, and knowing that there is a Curse on top of my deck (because of a previous Oracle), plays Mystic, and finds the Curse that it knows is there, rather than keeping it there to spoil my next hand.
It's just worried that if it guesses wrong, you'll think it's stupid.
Actually, now I'm curious about how "good" the bots are at guessing for things like Mystic and Wishing Well. I imagine that it's difficult to keep track of what the bot is "supposed" to know about its deck when you're programming it.
I hit $8 with 2 provinces left. I'm 6 points behind and with the duchies all sold the decision to buy Province is easy.
The bot has in hand: Gold, Silver, 2 Coppers and a Fool's Gold. Guess what.
---------- Defender Bot: turn 10 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Beggar
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - plays 6 Copper
Defender Bot - buys Estate
Defender Bot - gains Estate
Defender Bot - draws Copper, Copper, Copper, Copper, Beggar---------- Defender Bot: turn 11 ----------
Defender Bot - plays Beggar
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - gains Copper
Defender Bot - plays 7 Copper
Defender Bot - buys Duchy
Defender Bot - gains Duchy
Defender Bot - draws Beggar, Estate, Gardens, Copper, Copper
I've noticed that the bots often seem to purposely under-buy victory points at the end to give the player a chance.
Serf Bot plays 2 Silver, 1 Copper
Serf Bot buys Farmland
Serf Bot trashes Province
Serf Bot gains Farmland
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Salvager, Estate, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Salvager, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Salvager
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Familiar
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Gold, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Gold
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Copper, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - shuffles deck
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Warehouse, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Curse
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Curse, Curse, Gold, Copper, Warehouse
Basically Warlord Bot is discarding its whole hand with warehouses every turn.
| Defender Bot | plays Sage |
| Defender Bot | reveals Treasure Map |
| Defender Bot | places Treasure Map in hand |
| Defender Bot | plays Necropolis |
| Defender Bot | plays Treasure Map |
| Defender Bot | trashes Treasure Map, Treasure Map |
| Defender Bot | gains Gold |
| Defender Bot | gains Gold |
| Defender Bot | gains Gold |
| Defender Bot | gains Gold |
| Defender Bot | plays Chancellor |
| Defender Bot | moves deck to discards |
| Defender Bot | plays 1 Copper |
| Defender Bot | buys Silver |
| Defender Bot | gains Silver |
| Defender Bot | shuffles deck |
| Defender Bot | draws Gold, Overgrown Estate, Hovel, Gold, Silver |
I play Contraband. Lord Bottington prohibits Philosopher's Stone, even though I have no Potions in my entire deck.
HoP does not give you a (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Potion.png/9px-Potion.png) in any way.I think the order of play is something like this:
Wonder what kind of messed-up game you're playing where this is an option, let alone a desirable strategy
Defender Bot plays Sage Defender Bot reveals Treasure Map Defender Bot places Treasure Map in hand Defender Bot plays Necropolis Defender Bot plays Treasure Map Defender Bot trashes Treasure Map, Treasure Map Defender Bot gains Gold Defender Bot gains Gold Defender Bot gains Gold Defender Bot gains Gold Defender Bot plays Chancellor Defender Bot moves deck to discards Defender Bot plays 1 Copper Defender Bot buys Silver Defender Bot gains Silver Defender Bot shuffles deck Defender Bot draws Gold, Overgrown Estate, Hovel, Gold, Silver
(http://i.imgur.com/HUU5ZFM.jpg) (http://memegenerator.net/Business-Rat)
If you go to "Multiplayer" and make a new private game, you can add a bot and see their rankings.
If you go to "Multiplayer" and make a new private game, you can add a bot and see their rankings.
I'm pretty sure the rankings are adapted to your specific kingdom, though I'm not sure exactly how. Villager bot tends to have higher rankings on boards with strong engines, for example.
Serf Agnes - plays Feast
Serf Agnes - trashes Feast
Serf Agnes - gains Militia
Serf Agnes - plays 2 Copper
Serf Agnes - buys Estate
Serf Agnes - gains Estate
Serf Agnes - draws Smithy, Silver, Copper, Copper, Province
This continued until the the bot emptied the entire contraband pile.
Serf Bot
Twice in the same game Serf Bot bought a Witch when the Curses were empty and Smithy was on the board.
Twice in the same game Serf Bot bought a Witch when the Curses were empty and Smithy was on the board.
Serf bot buys a random card each turn. It has no strategy.
Is there any evidence that this is the case? I mean, it surely looks like that at times.
Is there any evidence that this is the case?
Twice in the same game Serf Bot bought a Witch when the Curses were empty and Smithy was on the board.
Lord Bottington turn 16:
Lord Bottington plays Workshop
Lord Bottington gains Silver
Lord Bottington plays 2 Copper
Lord Bottington buys Estate
Lord Bottington had the 3 pile win by using Workshop to gain the last Village. I win on my next turn.
Bots don't seem to evaluate end game conditions very well.
The bots make a lot of single decisions and very rarely put decisions together to form logic. For these examples, the bots will have current information about the draw deck when 'guessing' for a wishing well but will not use 'know' what card it will play after a wishing well or any difference it might make. A bot will make a single decision on how to draw cards with a mystic and will not have any 'plan' for what happens to the deck afterwards.
The bots can go surprisingly far on limited, restricted, decision making.
Look at board withSeems solid.
Duchess, Herbalist, Pawn, Scout, Sea Hag, Smithy, Young Witch, Cultist, Royal Seal, Trading Post, Hoard, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Ruins
what would be your strategy? Obviously herbalist-scout engine.
https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160125/log.0.1453745406506.txt
Look at board with
Duchess, Herbalist, Pawn, Scout, Sea Hag, Smithy, Young Witch, Cultist, Royal Seal, Trading Post, Hoard, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Ruins
what would be your strategy? Obviously herbalist-scout engine.
https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160125/log.0.1453745406506.txt
I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.
The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454901834293.txt) or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454902177153.txt)?
I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.
The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454901834293.txt) or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454902177153.txt)?
In the last 2 turns, how did you get Possessed twice? Am I missing it?
I dusted off my theme boards yesterday and played Expensive Taste with Banker Bot. And... um... I don't know which game is weirder.
The game where it possessed me and gave me a win through Goons points (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454901834293.txt) or the game where its only action cards were 2 Golems and 2 Princes (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160208/log.0.1454902177153.txt)?
In the last 2 turns, how did you get Possessed twice? Am I missing it?
You are missing it. The Banker Bot played a Possession with a Golem while it was being possessed by Ela.
I just finished the Adventures Campaigns, and the bots are horrible. In the old expansions, there were quite a few stages that required a few tries, but in Adventures the only times I lost were games where I realized I'd pick a poor strategy and resigned in order to try it again and go faster.
They buy lots of Duchies and Estates, they empty the Ports without getting any other actions. I've had bots buy Mission on every turn with a deck that can't do anything on a turn it doesn't buy anything.
I expected the bots to be bad on Randomly generated boards, but I thought they might be better in the campaigns. Even some simple scripts should perform way better than these bots are doing.
I just finished the Adventures Campaigns, and the bots are horrible. In the old expansions, there were quite a few stages that required a few tries, but in Adventures the only times I lost were games where I realized I'd pick a poor strategy and resigned in order to try it again and go faster.
They buy lots of Duchies and Estates, they empty the Ports without getting any other actions. I've had bots buy Mission on every turn with a deck that can't do anything on a turn it doesn't buy anything.
I expected the bots to be bad on Randomly generated boards, but I thought they might be better in the campaigns. Even some simple scripts should perform way better than these bots are doing.
I think Donald helped with most of the campaigns. Looks like he didn't help with adventures campaigns.
He designed the kingdoms, not the bots.
He designed the kingdoms, not the bots.
I saw an interesting one from one of the bots. The board included Trader and Embargo. The bot Embargoed Copper, so whenever it had Trader in hand each buy could potentially be two Silvers. The board we were playing also featured a strong engine, so it was wrong for that kingdom, but it did make me wonder if on the right Feodum or slog board this could be an option.Might as well just embargo Feodum, to get the Feodum + silver instead. Also, Trader/Feodum is good anyway.
The curses were long gone, but the bot kept buying Soothsayer anyway. Its ninth gave me the win on piles.
Played two Forges in one turn. Once to trash a Copper, gaining a Copper- the other time to trash nothing, gaining a Copper.
Same game, used Pathfinding on Bridge Troll, Rebuild, Harvest, Harvest again, Magpie, Harvest, Magpie, in that order. Had 4 Magpies and never any of the other ones.
Played two Forges in one turn. Once to trash a Copper, gaining a Copper- the other time to trash nothing, gaining a Copper.
Same game, used Pathfinding on Bridge Troll, Rebuild, Harvest, Harvest again, Magpie, Harvest, Magpie, in that order. Had 4 Magpies and never any of the other ones.
The most amazing thing about this is that they had time to buy 7 (!) Pathfindings in a Rebuild game.
I got the impression that since the Adventure update some bots (Warlord) have started to pursue awful rush strategies with duchy/estate as their main vp source. Maybe somebody tweaked them for the worse.
I got the impression that since the Adventure update some bots (Warlord) have started to pursue awful rush strategies with duchy/estate as their main vp source. Maybe somebody tweaked them for the worse.
Yes the bots seem to sometimes rush duchies when one pile is half empty now. Unfortunately, when playing against more than one bot their 'group think' can almost be a winning strategy as piles empty so fast. There seem to be plenty of card specific problems such as always emptying the port pile (and then duchies and estates), never playing treasure trove (what's that about?), and always buying when swamp hag is in play. They don't even provide something like a big money baseline game now.
I just had a bot Duplicating the Curse I gave him with Witch. ???
A bot ambassadored a spy.
Summon, Chapel, Oasis, Familiar, Fortress, Moneylender, Highway, Lost City, Torturer, Grand Market, Hunting GroundsThe problem with Bots is that they all play certain strategies. Warlord Bot pursues attacks at all costs, Banker Bot generally uses money as payload, and Conqueror Bot tries a bit of everything, which makes it much worse than the rest of the bots.
The problem with Bots is that they all play certain strategies. Warlord Bot pursues attacks at all costs, Banker Bot generally uses money as payload, and Conqueror Bot tries a bit of everything, which makes it much worse than the rest of the bots.
The conqueror bot takes early vp. It was often rated highest along with the banker bot.
The problem with Bots is that they all play certain strategies. Warlord Bot pursues attacks at all costs, Banker Bot generally uses money as payload, and Conqueror Bot tries a bit of everything, which makes it much worse than the rest of the bots.
The conqueror bot takes early vp. It was often rated highest along with the banker bot.
Really? Every game I've played against it, it was just awful.
Conqueror Bot - draws Copper, Ambassador, Copper, Copper
Conqueror Bot - shuffles deck
Conqueror Bot - draws Tactician
...
---------- Conqueror Bot: turn 11 ----------
Conqueror Bot - plays Ambassador
Conqueror Bot - reveals Tactician
Conqueror Bot - returns Tactician to the Supply
NolanS - gains Tactician
------------ Game Over ------------
NolanS - cards: 4 Pirate Ship, 2 Village, 1 Tactician, 9 Copper, 1 Silver, 8 Province, 4 Duchy, 4 Estate
NolanS - total victory points: 64
NolanS - turns: 22
Conqueror Bot - cards: 5 Island, 5 Village, 1 Ambassador, 3 Copper, 1 Silver, 6 Estate
Conqueror Bot - total victory points: 16
Conqueror Bot - turns: 22
Uhhhh just played against a bot that opened Potion on a board with Militia and Ironmonger, and the only Potion card is Transmute.
When I was playing Lord Bottington to figure out some steam layout stuff, he sent me a Platinum with Ambassador... I guess he must have heard that "Yellow is Purple"