Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Tournaments and Events => Dominion League => Topic started by: AdamH on November 30, 2014, 12:11:50 pm
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GET HYEP.
Mic Qsenoch and DG will be facing off in the Dominion League Season 4 Champion Match this Thursday at 19:30 UTC (14:30 Forum Time)!
Technical things have been worked out, hopefully this stream will be higher quality than the last one. I'll be sharing screens directly with MQ and then streaming that to my Twitch channel (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton).
The Tribe Has Spoken™, and commentary will be provided by Stef, myself, and Jsh.
See you all there!
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12:30 forum time, yeech. I won't be able to make that :(
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12:30 forum time, yeech. I won't be able to make that :(
Subtraction is hard. It's 14:30 Forum Time. I edited the post. :o
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Not super interested in commentating, but my graduation ceremony is on the next day so if I have something scheduled for Thursday, I might not have to help my mom with the preparations as much, so I can commentate if there's need for that. :P
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Alas, that's a horrible time, but I'm sure I can catch the rebroadcast, right?
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/in ahm I mean I'd like to commentate.
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I do wanna commentate if anyone wants to listen? I'd be able to begin a bit after the match starts though, so yeah. Still, available.
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I'm also available for comments and am going to watch it regardless.
Have you already figured out how to do it technically? re-streaming the stream (what we did last season) results in quite a bit of loss in video quality. If we can figure out something else that would be nice.
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I will commentate if people want me to.
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Have you already figured out how to do it technically? re-streaming the stream (what we did last season) results in quite a bit of loss in video quality. If we can figure out something else that would be nice.
Right now I don't have a better plan than to re-stream it. I'm not aware of what the right way to do it is; I'll try and do some research into it, but any help is appreciated.
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I would be interested, if people wanted I could be the semi-serious person who occasionally pokes fun at Goko? (after all, I am IWB, but would tone it down somewhat) Or I could be actually serious if that's preferred.
EDIT: So can I be added to the list as Joseph2302 (for serious commentary) and IWB (as a less serious commentary), please?
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If people are interested I can commentate with the caveat that I won't be able to make it for the first 30 minutes/hour.
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Stef and Adam, next season I need you guys to help me rig the championship so that the people who win will play at a time when I can actually watch.
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I know you all want me to commentate, because I am clearly the obvious choice, but I will be working at that time. I know, I know. How can the championship match go on without my enchanting voice and insightful comments about the subtleties of Dominion strategy?
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Aaaaand there off, its DG first out of the gate and round the corner with MQ only a nose behind. And here they come ti the first jump aaaaand they are both over clean, but mq has the better landing and has pulled out in front
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I've created and opened a poll for this. Go ahead and vote!
I assume that Joseph2302 and IsotropicWasBetter will not both be able to show up at the same time? How does that work? :P
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I've created and opened a poll for this. Go ahead and vote!
I assume that Joseph2302 and IsotropicWasBetter will not both be able to show up at the same time? How does that work? :P
No they won't, I'm not THAT crazy. I doubt they'll both be voted highly enough though.
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A good number of votes are in, and the results are clear enough that I think we can call it. I'll close the poll now.
The commentators for this match will be Stef, myself, and Jsh. Congratulations!
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I call for a recount. Isotropicwasbetter was clearly leading in the polls before Adam rigged this election.
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Going live with the Season 4 Dominion League Champion match now!
http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton
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I'll also be streaming at mine, if you want to hear my commentary live
twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
I don't know how well a multitwitch will work with that many people talking, but it's an option as well.
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Kingdoms and chat:
1. Assemble_me: Moat, Ambassador, Sage, Shanty Town, Monument, Procession, Talisman, Apprentice, Torturer, Trading Post; Colonies/Estates
2. JW: Hermit, JackOfAllTrades, Bridge, Gardens, Moneylender, Procession, Journeyman, Hunting Grounds, Goons, Nobles; Provinces/Estates
3. Titandrake: Vineyard, Duchess, Oracle, Trade Route, Farming Village, Talisman, Treasure Map, Embassy, Harem, Hoard; Provinces/Estates
4. Elestan: Advisor, Bishop, Bridge, Herald, Procession, Young Witch (Develop bane), Band of Misfits, Count, Graverobber, Prince; Colonies/Shelters
5. Silverspawn: Pawn, Develop, Masquerade, Watchtower, Feodum, Quarry, Rats, Counterfeit, Fairgrounds, Goons; Provinces/Shelters
6. Silverspawn: Beggar, Secret Chamber, Great Hall, Oasis, Oracle, Watchtower, Golem, Outpost, Rabble, Prince; Provinces/Estates
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5. Silverspawn: Pawn, Develop, Masquerade, Watchtower, Feodum, Quarry, Rats, Counterfeit, Fairgrounds, Goons; Provinces/Shelters
I missed the match... but this kingdom is awesome. Gonna go watch it now...
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5. Silverspawn: Pawn, Develop, Masquerade, Watchtower, Feodum, Quarry, Rats, Counterfeit, Fairgrounds, Goons; Provinces/Shelters
I missed the match... but this kingdom is awesome. Gonna go watch it now...
You may be disappointed at the number of Rats purchased and the circumstances under which they were purchased :P
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5. Silverspawn: Pawn, Develop, Masquerade, Watchtower, Feodum, Quarry, Rats, Counterfeit, Fairgrounds, Goons; Provinces/Shelters
I missed the match... but this kingdom is awesome. Gonna go watch it now...
You may be disappointed at the number of Rats purchased and the circumstances under which they were purchased :P
I'm not so sure how good rats are there. I would probably get them, but not right away. I'm more disappointed at the number of watchtowers purchased.
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After playing a couple solitaire games I think Embassy BM has about zero chance of winning on the Vineyards board. They would have to empty the Provinces consistently by turns 15-17.
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2. JW: Hermit, JackOfAllTrades, Bridge, Gardens, Moneylender, Procession, Journeyman, Hunting Grounds, Goons, Nobles; Provinces/Estates
I played this kingdom in a three-player game IRL. I barely pulled off a winning megaturn before the other players emptied Provinces with their more money/Jack/Nobles-focused strategies. None of us had any clue how to play the board and my friends will be glad to hear that Mic and DG were similarly puzzled. It's probably the most complicated random board I've played IRL.
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After playing a couple solitaire games I think Embassy BM has about zero chance of winning on the Vineyards board. They would have to empty the Provinces consistently by turns 15-17.
I'm glad that my decision to go for Vineyards on that board has been justified after the fact, because when I decided to go for Vineyards, I did it because it seemed more fun to play.
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guys, just because you shouldn't put the result in the thread title doesn't mean you have to not post it at all.
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Ok, here's a little report then.
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417723513826.txt
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417724914713.txt
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417725605606.txt
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417726666003.txt
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417728113581.txt
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417729808871.txt
Game 1
I was just thinking that the Shanty Town split was very important so I went for those pretty aggressively. I had good draws overall, really good at the start and then one very bad turn which made it a bit closer. I think he held on to the Trading Post too long and I would have sacked it to Apprentice at some point but maybe there wasn't a good opportunity. There was a turn where I had a hand of all Shanties and one Ambassador, I opted to play Ambassador so I could draw more cards with the drawback that he would get a free Shanty town, but he Moated it (my hand was public knowledge at that point). Eventually I can do Procession stuff to pile out and win.
Game 2
A weirdly weak kingdom for Goons, this board was a bit confusing for me. I wanted to do a Madman-Bridge thing but wasn't sure how to go about it. I opened Jack/Hermit, he goes for Moneylender/Hermit. I really dislike his second Moneylender. I chose Jack thinking that I'm still going to need to buy several $4 components, and a Nobles would be nice as well. He Processions a Madman not knowing how that would work out. I get a big enough turn eventually to 3 pile and win. Another nice board for Procession
Game 3
On a 4-3 I would have gone for the Vineyards thing, and now I think even on a 5/2 opening Talisman as P1 against a BM thing it could win. But at the time I just went for the more certain thing in Embassy. He also plays BM. I have good luck until my very last reshuffle and I'm happy to take a tie. I think ideal play looks like both players contesting the Oracles/FV heavily, just to make sure your opponent can't use Vineyards effectively. In this scenario Provinces end up being a good source of VP, but you can't go straight there with a simple money plan.
Game 4
This one looks like you clearly want Herald/Bridge, but there's a lot of different support. We both open Young Witch and skip the bane. BoM is incredible here. Procession is great too. Count is the fastest trashing available and our first 5s go towards it. I have awesome draws and it's hard to lose with luck like that.
So I won Season 4.
DG opted to stop after the match was decided, but Stef played the last two selected boards with me.
In the first one I think Stef got way too many Goons, I'm pretty sure you need some Golds/Provinces here. He also should probably be buying/trashing Coppers not Curses until he knows whether he's the one who will be in the position to 3 pile. Anyway, I get a really nice draw to buy 6 curses and trash them and the next turn I can end it. And somehow the Quarry he had to pass me earlier helps seal it.
In the second one I go for Rabble/Oracle/BM and he eventually gets his sweet Prince/Golem/Outpost/everything deck running. I get a lot of $5 hands at the start and this slows me down (I really need Gold), but his luck isn't great either. It is a close game, but at the end his constant attacks slow me down enough to catch up and beat me.
The recording of my commentary is at:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5619265
After the games with DG, I join the Skype call with the other commentators so you can hear them in the last two games.
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Game 4 (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417726666003.txt)
This one looks like you clearly want Herald/Bridge, but there's a lot of different support. We both open Young Witch and skip the bane. BoM is incredible here. Procession is great too. Count is the fastest trashing available and our first 5s go towards it. I have awesome draws and it's hard to lose with luck like that.
In retrospect, I think this would probably be more interesting with Estates than Shelters, at least in 2-player, to make Develop more attractive. In 3-player, Develop is more important as the Bane, because you'll get junked under without it.
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Ok my view on these matches:
Game 1: I really hadn't noticed that I'd blocked getting a shanty town with the moat and it could have been important. I felt I was generally short of stuff to process at the finish to close out (as MicQ correctly demonstrated). I hadn't noticed the cards I'd bought for myself though so noticing the opponents hand was clearly too much for me at that time.
Game 2: Oh yeah I made right mess of this. I was thinking about all the complexity when just reading the cards properly would have stopped me from getting their rules wrong. Moneylender of Jack to start? I'd still be tempted by moneylender.
Game 3: I'd just not taken the high late game trade route income into account and not given enough weight to the farming village draw. Should be engine. How many talisman's though?
Game 4: I thought this was the simplest to play but I'm probably on the way the out by turn 4 even if I buy a develop then.
So well played MicQ. Everything he did looked fine from my perspective and my play was certainly not up to standards (or expectations).
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And congrats to you for being 2nd after 3 promotions!
For sure you began in division D because you didnt play a lot, but what a performance!
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Finally got the videos up for this. Sorry it took me so long to get to it.
Entire Champion Match: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642662) YouTube Video (part 1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hB4qDmcfZk) YouTube Video (part 2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3RGK9qd14E)
Game 1: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642563) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOMjCutVPW0) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417723513826.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by Assemble_me): Moat, Ambassador, Sage, Shanty Town, Monument, Procession, Talisman, Apprentice, Torturer, Trading Post; Colonies/Estates
Game 2: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642582) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgwx2pOmhMA) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417724914713.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by JW): Hermit, JackOfAllTrades, Bridge, Gardens, Moneylender, Procession, Journeyman, Hunting Grounds, Goons, Nobles; Provinces/Estates
Game 3: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642606) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbVOvu-VjM) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417725605606.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by Titandrake): Vineyard, Duchess, Oracle, Trade Route, Farming Village, Talisman, Treasure Map, Embassy, Harem, Hoard; Provinces/Estates
Game 4: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642621) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCWZ3223zFc) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417726666003.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by Elestan): Advisor, Bishop, Bridge, Herald, Procession, Young Witch (Develop bane), Band of Misfits, Count, Graverobber, Prince; Colonies/Shelters
At this point the champion was decided and DG wanted to bow out, so MQ and Stef played the last two games:
Game 5: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642635) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6c6RBX3ZQ) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417728113581.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by Silverspawn): Pawn, Develop, Masquerade, Watchtower, Feodum, Quarry, Rats, Counterfeit, Fairgrounds, Goons; Provinces/Shelters
Game 6: Twitch Highlight (http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton/c/5642648) YouTube Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRaQXRTyNhw) Game log (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141204/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1417729808871.txt)
Kingdom (submitted by Silverspawn): Beggar, Secret Chamber, Great Hall, Oasis, Oracle, Watchtower, Golem, Outpost, Rabble, Prince; Provinces/Estates