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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Dominion Videos and Streams => Topic started by: Mic Qsenoch on October 31, 2014, 10:44:51 am
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This is my first thread. Hooray!
Polk and I enjoyed our IGG games last night, and jsh suggested that a weekly series like this might be fun. So I am tentatively going to commit to doing this, although the schedule may end up being biweekly instead of weekly.
The basic idea is: we pick a card and just play random kingdoms with that card required on the board. We play games until one of us wants to stop. It's low-pressure unrated games for fun and some experimentation. But it's still a Cage Match!
Polk was interested in playing again next week at the same time, we just need another card to focus on.
Some suggestions from the chat last night:
- City
- Bishop
- Scout (of course)
- Probably more but I forgot
I would prefer to focus on cards which are medium to high strength as I think they make more sense to highlight. Scout is out, I'm afraid. A big positive is uniqueness of effect. Cards which create long games (timewise) are not so great.
I'm interested in what you guys think about this idea and what cards you would like to see.
Last night the audio was just me, but in the future I could Skype with my opponent if people like hearing that. I also think it would be good to have other people fight me in the Cage. Polk probably won't be available all the time and it adds a little variety.
I know the current timeslot (Thur at 24:00 UTC ) isn't great for Europeans unless they're night owls. Streaming earlier may not be great for Americans. Weekend streaming (say on a Sunday) might give better flexibility on timing, but of course people do other stuff on the weekends. There may be no good middle ground on this issue.
Any suggestions/feedback are welcome.
Completed Cage Matches:
IGG Part 1 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5405746) Part 2 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5405773) Part 3 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5405780) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=Polk5440&startdate=10%2F30%2F2014&enddate=10%2F30%2F2014&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0)
Tactician (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5447803) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=Polk5440&startdate=11%2F06%2F2014&enddate=11%2F06%2F2014&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0)
Watchtower Part 1 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5497815) Part 2 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5497804) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=11%2F14%2F2014&enddate=11%2F14%2F2014&supply=Watchtower&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0)
Jack of all Trades (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5523548) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=Adam+Horton&startdate=11%2F18%2F2014&enddate=12%2F11%2F2014&supply=Jack+of+all+Trades&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0)
Bishop (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5664540) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=12%2F11%2F2014&enddate=12%2F11%2F2014&supply=Bishop&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Hermit (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5927269) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=01%2F20%2F2015&enddate=01%2F20%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Remodel (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5996434) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=01%2F29%2F2015&enddate=01%2F29%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Haggler (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6049310) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=mic+qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=02%2F05%2F2015&enddate=02%2F05%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Menagerie Part 1 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6098393) Part 2 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6098409) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=SheCantSayNo&startdate=02%2F11%2F2015&enddate=02%2F11%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=25&submitted=true&offset=0)
Throne Room Part 1 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6148360) Part 2 (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6148375) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=Stef&startdate=02%2F18%2F2015&enddate=02%2F18%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Smugglers (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6634889) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=05%2F02%2F2015&enddate=05%2F02%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Border Village (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6767152) Little Bonus (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6767162) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=05%2F30%2F2015&enddate=05%2F30%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Ambassador (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/v/7488253) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=SheCantSayNo&startdate=07%2F09%2F2015&enddate=07%2F09%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0)
Upgrade (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/v/9097803) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=07%2F19%2F2015&enddate=07%2F19%2F2015&supply=Upgrade&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Plaza (http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/v/15897532) Logs (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=&startdate=09%2F13%2F2015&enddate=09%2F13%2F2015&supply=&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&submitted=true&offset=0)
Baker
Wharf
Scout
Native Village
King's Court
Crossroads
Prince
Distant Lands
Inheritance
Scrying Pool
Artificer
Witch
Rebuild
Youtube Playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDg_vQmcG-2AI6EPBqAvcYPHDnNK50vnx)
Multiple video parts means the stream was interrupted due to various technical problems.
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Procession! Procession is always awesome when it shines, so... Probably you won't be buying it all that often but, oh well. Although Procession may help to longer games as it's good in engines? On the other hand it helps to pile out...
I enjoy to see streams where people are talking on Skype, so go ahead :)
I'm okay watching the streams later as I often do with your or Adam's streamed games.
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I like the current timeslot at least for the time being.
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2400 UTC is okay, maybe 2300 would be better for me though.
Also, Rabble, Procession, Bishop are all cards that would interest me, as I'm often in 2 minds about when to buy Procession + Bishop, and how to build the best Rabble engine.
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This is a wonderful idea.
My suggestions:
Sea Hag
Rebuild
Jack
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Stonemason?
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Chapel? Watchtower? Duke?
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Also, maybe add the link to the previous episodes in the OP. And yes, 24:00 is 1:00 here, so no chance at all on Thursdays. Two hours earlier and I'd probably watch live. (no idea how late that is where you live though)
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Polk was interested in playing again next week at the same time, we just need another card to focus on.
Yep, next week or the week after works for me. Keeping a regularly scheduled day would make sense.
Last night the audio was just me, but in the future I could Skype with my opponent if people like hearing that.
I would be willing to Skype. If I had been miked yesterday you would have heard my mouse explode. Can't guarantee something that exciting will happen next time, though.
I also think it would be good to have other people fight me in the Cage. Polk probably won't be available all the time and it adds a little variety.
Sounds exciting! The next two weeks I am flexible weekday evenings, but yeah, after that my schedule gets tight again. I could also do this Sun afternoon. There's a reason I am not doing Dominion League.
From my perspective from watching, I would be more likely to watch live if it was a regularly scheduled weekday evening rather than on the weekend.
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Want to play a watchtower match with me? :D
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... Tactician?
A poll might be helpful, too.
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... Tactician?
A poll might be helpful, too.
Maybe at some point, but for now I'd rather just pick the cards I'm interested in the most from the suggestions people give, plus input from the person I'm playing with. We aren't going to run out of cards any time soon, we already have a lot of nice options to choose from.
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Herald?
I may be interested in playing as well.
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I'll play the Hot Air Balloon cage match once we can.
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Procession
seconded
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions. Next week will be vs. Polk with Tactician. Priority cards to do: Procession, Watchtower (with liopoil as opponent), Duke, and Haggler (my personal choice), and Bishop. Not sure on the order yet. We'll see how it goes from there.
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Watchtower (with liopoil as opponent)
Sweet! I'll probably stream too. Whenever you know which week you to do this just PM me.
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Is anyone surprised that Adam suggested Jack?
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Black Market!
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Suggestions:
Hermit/Madman (versatile, usage can vary a lot depending on the board)
Forge (similar reasons to Hermit)
Advisor (just because I'm often not sure how good it is and would like to see how stronger players use it)
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Vagrant
I'm never too sure if turning it into a lab is worth having the curses in my deck.
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So tonight we'll be playing the Tactician Cage Match of the Week. The stream should start around 7 PM CST (01:00 UTC). Polk will be joining me on skype, barring my inability to figure out how to stream that.
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
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The match is live
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Thanks again, Mic, for inviting me into the ring again for the Tactician Cage Match! It was a lot of fun.
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Masquerade?
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I'd like to play Black Market, Bishop, Hermit or Menagerie, though I can pretty much never make Thursday night.
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I'd like to play Black Market, Bishop, Hermit or Menagerie, though I can pretty much never make Thursday night.
The time slot isn't set in stone. I'm trying to establish some sort of default, just for my own sanity, but it's not clear yet when the best time will be. In any case, I'm always happy to shift times if it's needed. It may be a couple of weeks before I need another opponent, I'll PM you. Those are all cards I'm interested in doing, but I'll pass on Black Market for now since we've got your match with Stef already.
Thanks again, Mic, for inviting me into the ring again for the Tactician Cage Match! It was a lot of fun.
Thanks for playing again!
Here's a link to the logs of games (http://gokosalvager.com/logsearch?p1name=Mic+Qsenoch&p1score=any&p2name=Polk5440&startdate=11%2F05%2F2014&enddate=11%2F09%2F2014&supply=Tactician&nonsupply=&rating=any&pcount=2&colony=any&bot=false&shelters=any&guest=false&minturns=&maxturns=&quit=false&resign=any&limit=20&submitted=true&offset=0) we played that night, for those who are interested.
This one (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141106/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1415326192392.txt) has a nice 1 point victory for Polk where Dame Josephine was the difference. And this one (http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20141106/log.51201cbee4b04e88c8da4f9a.1415327277954.txt) gave us the dream Tactician board we were waiting for (Cellar, Hamlet, Black Market, Farming Village, Talisman, Apprentice, Council Room, Market, Merchant Guild, Tactician). I ended the game on turn 13 with 81 cards. The video is at http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5447803. I will try to keep the OP updated with a list of episodes.
This week I'll be playing against liopoil. The card is Watchtower, the time is Friday at 22:00 UTC. He is going to be streaming as well, so I'd check out the multitwitch.
http://www.multitwitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/liopoil
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I am going to go live now with some bot games until liopoil shows up (should be about ten minutes).
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/
and if liopoil is streaming in ~10 minutes:
http://www.multitwitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/liopoil
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Adam and I will be playing the Jack of all Trades Cage Match tonight. We'll be starting at 6 PM EST (23:00 UTC).
I won't be doing a Cage Match stream next week (due to Thanksgiving travel). But I should resume the following week (with a new computer and hopefully no more broken up streams).
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In the past few weeks, IsotropicWasBetter has finally accepted that his only choice is to use Goko. And just three days ago, he filed for divorce from his husband, Adam Horton. When asked why, after nineteen years of marriage, he replied, "Because he's a Goko lover."
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Going live with the Jack cage match now!
http://www.twitch.tv/adamhorton
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
http://multitwitch.tv/adamhorton/mic_qsenoch
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I'd like to start this back up again. If possible I'd like to play this Wednesday or Thursday evening starting around 5-7 PM CST (23:00-1:00 UTC). The card would be one of: Haggler, Bishop or Hermit. You can pick if you have a preference. If anyone is interested in playing please PM me. I'll post again once I know who/when I'm playing.
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I'd like to start this back up again. If possible I'd like to play this Wednesday or Thursday evening starting around 5-7 PM CST (23:00-1:00 UTC). The card would be one of: Haggler, Bishop or Hermit. You can pick if you have a preference. If anyone is interested in playing please PM me. I'll post again once I know who/when I'm playing.
Is this happening tonight? Or not, because you're playing Dominion League Match instead?
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I'd like to start this back up again. If possible I'd like to play this Wednesday or Thursday evening starting around 5-7 PM CST (23:00-1:00 UTC). The card would be one of: Haggler, Bishop or Hermit. You can pick if you have a preference. If anyone is interested in playing please PM me. I'll post again once I know who/when I'm playing.
Is this happening tonight? Or not, because you're playing Dominion League Match instead?
Nobody has PMed saying they want to play, so as of now it's not happening. I didn't really have time to hunt an opponent down this week. If anybody PMs during the day and says they can play this evening, I will gladly do the Cage Match after my league match.
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Its too late for me to offer to play you. But I am really looking forward to the streaming of your match. All the best luck.
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Burnning Skull will play (with Bishop) if it's not too late for him by the time the league match finishes. If anyone else can make a more definite commitment, let me know. Otherwise I'll just try and take a volunteer from the audience of the league match. If that fails also then Christmas is cancelled.
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Going live with the Bishop Cage Match
and here's the highlight:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5664540
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The Cage Matches will resume after the holidays. I don't think I'll be able to do it this week and I can't guarantee I'll be able to stream the following weeks.
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I don't know where to post this, but your match against silverspawn was one of the funniest streams I lately saw. Well commented and well played. Thank you, Mic.
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/b/605068775
Happy new year, all
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It's back! SCSN and I will be entering the Cage with Hermit tonight at 23:00 UTC
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
edit: and here's the highlight:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5927269
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Two weeks in a row! A true miracle. Tired of your crappy old cards? You're in luck.
Stef and I will be playing the Remodel Cage Match at 21:00 UTC this Thursday
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If anyone wants to watch Stef and I play an hour long game, you're in luck.
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/5996423
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> plays hour long game for Remodel cage match
> neither player buys Remodel
(Okay okay fine, Butcher is basically the Remodel in that board, but still)
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Haggler Cage Match vs Stef at 22:00 UTC (1.25 hours from now)
edit: here's the highlight http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6049310
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SCSN and I will be playing our league match today as the Menagerie Cage Match, which should include some extra games after the league games are finished.
We'll both be streaming the match at 22:30 UTC (~2.5 hours from now).
Highlight of the league part:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6098393
SCSN joins me on Skype:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6098409
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My bird/stone ratio just keeps going up. Stef and I will be playing a league match slash Throne Room Cage Match at 18:30 UTC today.
highlights:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6148363
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6148375
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Playing Swindler Cage Match with WW now
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
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Deadlock and I will be playing a Smugglers Cage Match tomorrow at 22:00 UTC
Here is the highlight:
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/c/6634889
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Watching yesterdays smugglers game now. I'm watching the last game and I think a hunting party cagematch would be nice.
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SCSN and I will be playing a Border Village Cage Match as a part of our league match. Stream starts at 20:00 UTC tomorrow. He will be streaming as well.
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/
http://www.twitch.tv/shecantsayno/
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Sorry I picked an Adventures card this week. :P Did you guys do Inn last week?
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Sorry I picked an Adventures card this week. :P Did you guys do Inn last week?
Nope, I don't really do these every week and they aren't tied to your thing at all. Probably you know this I am just not detecting some level of sarcasm or something.
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Sorry I picked an Adventures card this week. :P Did you guys do Inn last week?
Nope, I don't really do these every week and they aren't tied to your thing at all. Probably you know this I am just not detecting some level of sarcasm or something.
No sarcasm. It's just you do call it "Card of the Week", like my thing. And you did do Smugglers that one time.
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SCSN and I will be playing an Ambassador Cage Match tomorrow at 19:00 UTC
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch/
http://www.twitch.tv/shecantsayno/
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Upgrade Cage Match / league with Stef tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
http://www.twitch.tv/mic_qsenoch
http://www.twitch.tv/stef_42
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Here is the Blitz Scout Cage Match I played with SCSN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtT-jQ60KJw
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You need to do a Cage Match with Pathfinding.
Also, Blitz looks horrible. How can you survive that time constraint!?
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You need to do a Cage Match with Pathfinding.
Also, Blitz looks horrible. How can you survive that time constraint!?
Blitz was one of my favorite dominion variants ever invented
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Also, Blitz looks horrible. How can you survive that time constraint!?
One word: Scout.
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I'm assuming you'll be a playtester for Dominion Online 2017. If Stef and SCSN are okay with previews towards the end of this year, have you considered doing Empires cage matches?
I'd be particularly interested in Castles, Gladiator/ Fortune, Villa, City Quarter, and Donate.
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I'm assuming you'll be a playtester for Dominion Online 2017. If Stef and SCSN are okay with previews towards the end of this year, have you considered doing Empires cage matches?
I'd be particularly interested in Castles, Gladiator/ Fortune, Villa, City Quarter, and Donate.
I'd be happy to do some streams or recordings if it's allowed / they want me to.
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Any updates on the possibilty of a Cage match on the new client? I'm sure everyone here would love to see the Villa cage match.
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Any updates on the possibilty of a Cage match on the new client? I'm sure everyone here would love to see the Villa cage match.
Sorry, not happening. MF is selling subscriptions and they have an exclusive license to online Dominion in 2016. Don't expect anything "official" (like f.ds championship matches or league matches) on our system, or matches like these that would otherwise promote their system.
Maybe we'll make an exception in the second half of December, but certainly not now.
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That's sad to hear, although Empires came out in German just now so hopefully I'll get a chance to play with it soon :)
I thought since you're not offering the service to anyone (outside of testers) yet and won't do so at any point before MF's license expires it wouldn't be any trouble, but I don't know much about this kind of stuff and I suppose it's sort of "nice" towards them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTFdkfWYgFk
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Sweet Cage Matches you haven't done yet include:
- Butcher
- Stonemason
StorytellerEncampment- Villa
- City Quarter
- Overlord
- Tax
- Lurker
Other potentially good candidates, not sure if these make for an interesting match:
- Governor
- Bridge Troll
- Donate
- Delve
- Keep
- Sauna
ArtisanDiplomat
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"Cage Match vs Burning Skull" is just so metal.
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This is not a cage match, but drsteelhammer graciously indulged me in playing a horrifying Dominion variant, golf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRrFCEqFaI
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https://youtu.be/Tg8hViqM9oM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8fLs9ak0MI
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https://youtu.be/aiP4m8fM050