Shouldn't the Kira aligned players be using the deathnote?This being a game, flavor will not be 100% accurate to the show. However, it is based upon the multiple instances in the series when one or more Death Notes were out of Light's direct control, such as the Yotsuba Group and Jack Neylon (and the police).
/in
Shouldn't the Kira aligned players be using the deathnote?
/in
Shouldn't the Kira aligned players be using the deathnote?
/in
Was this serious? If so, then this game is full I guess...
Do you want the speccy faust?
wait, mafia chose the notebearer. so why choose ADK? I expected either me or hydrad, cause, yknow, the newest players are probably worse at the game, and not as likely to hit the right person. It's pretty unlikely that mafia thought ADK was the worst player. This is weird.
Maybe it's to make Hydrad & me look suspicious? that's the only reason I can come up with.
So, I think the first question we should ask/answer is: if the gun bearer couldn't decide himself, but was obligated to act according to the majority, would the game be easier or harder for town?
if it would be easier, the logical consequence is, the gunbearer always does what the majority is saying. So we treat this just as a normal game, except there are no night kills.
So, I think the first question we should ask/answer is: if the gun bearer couldn't decide himself, but was obligated to act according to the majority, would the game be easier or harder for town?
if it would be easier, the logical consequence is, the gunbearer always does what the majority is saying. So we treat this just as a normal game, except there are no night kills.
but now you have the chance to be the hero. purposely not kill someone and hit scum instead! or have everyone dissapointed in you.
We were talking about this.. uh.. I guess it was over the chat thing on Sunday.
We want to keep a vote count for accountability. So that we can analyze wagons, voting patterns, etc. as in a normal Mafia game.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to readI think that's an argument for the opposite case. If he's hard to read, it's bad to make him the IC, because that means he can't be misread as scum. Best give the IC to the guy who, if he's town, looks towny to most players.
QuoteMaybe they thought ADK was hard to readI think that's an argument for the opposite case. If he's hard to read, it's bad to make him the IC, because that means he can't be misread as scum. Best give the IC to the guy who, if he's town, looks towny to most players.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
I'm really glad you don't have the notebook right now
So I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
vote : WW
vote : WW
Wrong!
*checks that EFHW isn't playing this game, breathes a sigh of relief*
And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.
And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.
Trying to intimidate us into not shooting you ?
PPE : Nevermind
So I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
What do you remember about his play ?
So I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
So I'm sure you thought about this, but there are four scum and six (non-you) town. And scum has no night kill or abilities, so all they can really do is try to influence the kills through votes. I might be extra suspicious of a wagon pushes.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
Does this remind anyone else of ash and pacovf last game?
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
His point was that he wouldn't have chosen ADK if he were scum.
Which would clear him, but then WIFOM.
All of which is way too self-aware for town!WW who wouldn't even have posted that, hence my vote.
Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
Muwahahahaha.
I kinda like this game mode though. Even if you get "mislynched" you still get to play. Although I feel kinda bad for ADK as he might get kicked out day 1.
Muwahahahaha.
I take it you don't take my case seriously ?
I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
Right. Why ? You're looking at very good odds if you're town you know.
40% huh ?
So are you forgetting about ADK being an IC or about you being town ?
A Drowned Kernal is the Notebearer.:'(
woo i'm excitedToo excited??
also even though there are no lynches I think we could still use a voting system to see who we suspect?Yeah that *could* work... or the death note user can just listen to me.
Sweet let's shoot some people.I think it'd be a pretty silly game if scum didn't get day chat. I haven't played this particular setup, no, but have played a close variant with a Kingmaker. It was on an IRC chat that I was unfamiliar with so I got super frustrated and basically rage quit that type of format since the guys were dicks. (even more so than on mafiascum :O)
So there's no Night phase.. setup doesn't say anything about the scum team getting day chat. Anyone play this format before?
wait, mafia chose the notebearer. so why choose ADK? I expected either me or hydrad, cause, yknow, the newest players are probably worse at the game, and not as likely to hit the right person. It's pretty unlikely that mafia thought ADK was the worst player. This is weird.We actually talked about you some on the google hangout. People actually think very highly of town you, so I think that's probably why they didn't give you the book to start. I think Hydrad might get miskilled at some point, based on the one game I've played with him. Then again your post reads kind of cringey so I can see it coming from scum.
Maybe it's to make Hydrad & me look suspicious? that's the only reason I can come up with.
Okay, Mafiascum has a sample PM that gives a QT link, so I'm guessing scum has chat available through the entire thing.I've already gone over this, of course they have day chat!
Obligatory Vote: Silverspawn[/b[Gooooood. Vote: Silverspawn
Make that Vote: Silverspawn. Shirking off suspicion before you're suspected, and all that.You already voted!wait, mafia chose the notebearer. so why choose ADK? I expected either me or hydrad, cause, yknow, the newest players are probably worse at the game, and not as likely to hit the right person. It's pretty unlikely that mafia thought ADK was the worst player. This is weird.
Maybe it's to make Hydrad & me look suspicious? that's the only reason I can come up with.
yea uhu. maybe i'm just that good and hydrad is scumSweet, a vote!
make that vote: Hydrad
but man I really expected to be the IC. this is disappointing.Start taunting ADK to shoot you, then you'll get your IC status.
oh I forgot we can't even vote. So there is no need to bold themBolding is still nice for players so they can easily skim at points.
Eh, we should keep vote counts, so following format would be good.I JUST SAID THAT! THAT'S TWICE NOW! STOP COPYING ME!
We can keep vote counts if you want.I am the want.
I am the want.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
So, I think the first question we should ask/answer is: if the gun bearer couldn't decide himself, but was obligated to act according to the majority, would the game be easier or harder for town?Remember, besides the gatekeeper, there are 6 town and 4 mafia, that's a proportion that's a lot more mafia sided than your normal mafia game. The keymaster should keep that in mind.
if it would be easier, the logical consequence is, the gunbearer always does what the majority is saying. So we treat this just as a normal game, except there are no night kills.
Very, very true.So, I think the first question we should ask/answer is: if the gun bearer couldn't decide himself, but was obligated to act according to the majority, would the game be easier or harder for town?
if it would be easier, the logical consequence is, the gunbearer always does what the majority is saying. So we treat this just as a normal game, except there are no night kills.
but now you have the chance to be the hero. purposely not kill someone and hit scum instead! or have everyone dissapointed in you.
I really doubt that was an edit.So, I think the first question we should ask/answer is: if the gun bearer couldn't decide himself, but was obligated to act according to the majority, would the game be easier or harder for town?
if it would be easier, the logical consequence is, the gunbearer always does what the majority is saying. So we treat this just as a normal game, except there are no night kills.
but now you have the chance to be the hero. purposely not kill someone and hit scum instead! or have everyone dissapointed in you.
edit: Purposely not follow the majority and hit scum instead.
We were talking about this.. uh.. I guess it was over the chat thing on Sunday.Yeah we did, and yes we should.
We want to keep a vote count for accountability. So that we can analyze wagons, voting patterns, etc. as in a normal Mafia game.
I mean we can vote without consequence, right? I don't see a point in not voting. The question is whether we should force ADK to follow the votes though, so that might we worth discussing.We were talking about this.. uh.. I guess it was over the chat thing on Sunday.
We want to keep a vote count for accountability. So that we can analyze wagons, voting patterns, etc. as in a normal Mafia game.
I think this is pretty important and should be discussed more before we just decide it.
and what do you think about why scum didn't make me the IC? Am I that good at the game? huh? huh?
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.So say we all.
It is known.i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
Maybe you're scum.Eh, Axxle already voiced his opinion on the matter and I tend to agree, WIFOM doesn't happen all too much. Maybe you would have done it if ADK had been on the call too since it's such in recent memory, but I don't think you would have given him the note in this situation. but since you have 3 partners maybe they felt fine and you were overruled. I tend toward you-town though.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
QuoteMaybe they thought ADK was hard to readI think that's an argument for the opposite case. If he's hard to read, it's bad to make him the IC, because that means he can't be misread as scum. Best give the IC to the guy who, if he's town, looks towny to most players.
QuoteMaybe they thought ADK was hard to readI think that's an argument for the opposite case. If he's hard to read, it's bad to make him the IC, because that means he can't be misread as scum. Best give the IC to the guy who, if he's town, looks towny to most players.
I didn't say what I wanted to.. I meant to say, maybe they think he's easy to detect as scum.
So some reference.. was looking at a Mafiascum game of this format, and here is the Mafia QT:Yeah, I already mentioned the reason Hydrad probably didn't get the note to start. I'll read the QT later, but I'll trust you read it right and conveyed it to us. (OH, Klick was in that game! He's a cool guy)
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BrLTFPmPnNA
(It was linked in the thread.)
The main factor of determining who to give the gun to was mislynchability, and the accuracy of their reads was secondary probably. I'm guessing whether or not they felt someone would get mislynched (in a regular game) was a main thing here.
Hydrad has a history of getting mislynched or being found scummy in every game he's been in. New players are, in general I think, more susceptible to getting mislynched.
Because you don't want to be shot, huh? Huh???i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
I'm really glad you don't have the notebook right now
So I'm an IC! That's new.So Boring! :)
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
Why, because you want to shoot him??? Huh???i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
I'm really glad you don't have the notebook right now
I'm not :c
Yeah, and it looked like they picked right with ADK!So I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
If I was scum I don't even know how I would go around picking people. I would probably just select someone randomly as after the first myslynch there isn't much control over it.
Maybe they picked you because they felt you would go along with the majority and that they could influence the majority? 4 scum is going to have a huge influence on votes.
vote : WWWrong!
...vote : WW
Wrong!
Cool.vote : WW
Wrong!
Seems about right.
P.S. : To anyone wondering, I don't do RVS so this is a serious vote.
Also I agree with treating the gun (or the death note in this case) as a lynch, as boring as that is.Did you know Quasimodo was called Bo in the first draft of Hunchback? Audiences found it too Bo ring.
I'm not so concerned with getting shot, though. Because then I get a gun. And then I can shoot bitches.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYDsI5mP-V8
And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.See above.
*checks that EFHW isn't playing this game, breathes a sigh of relief*?
!*checks that EFHW isn't playing this game, breathes a sigh of relief*
?
Us? Who the heck is us?And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.
Trying to intimidate us into not shooting you ?
PPE : Nevermind
Vote: silverspawnYeah, he's a fine vote.
I agree that his first post seems like it's pushing aside suspicion when there isn't any, and it could be planned in a QT. I usually do RVS but I actually found a legitimate reason to vote someone right away.
Obviously.And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.
Trying to intimidate us into not shooting you ?
PPE : Nevermind
No, trying to make you think that so that you will shoot me, so that I get the gun.
Yes, I've told him several times.So I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
So I'm sure you thought about this, but there are four scum and six (non-you) town. And scum has no night kill or abilities, so all they can really do is try to influence the kills through votes. I might be extra suspicious of a wagon pushes.
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?I haven't and am looking forward to it!
Well that won't happen this game!sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
I told you, I haven't played with him before!sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
What do you remember about his play ?
*Not much: weird.sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
What do you remember about his play ?
Not much weird.
How is this scum mindset? Assertions != truthSo I'm an IC! That's new.
I gave this some thought beforehand, and I'm going to treat the kill like a normal lynch. That makes sure people are accountable, and lord knows my reads are rarely too accurate. So I will shoot someone as soon as they reach majority, and if deadline comes up I'll shoot the player with the largest wagon, and if there's a tie the wagon that reached it's point first.
Some people have commented on it already, but I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
So I'm sure you thought about this, but there are four scum and six (non-you) town. And scum has no night kill or abilities, so all they can really do is try to influence the kills through votes. I might be extra suspicious of a wagon pushes.
This is useful information, but looks like the mindset scum would be in.
vote: ww especially since votes don't matter here as much.
Nah. Then again nothing reminds me of last game since I wasn't in it. Also this is another post that feels a bit scummy, the age old "look at this thing is it scummy or not?"i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
Does this remind anyone else of ash and pacovf last game?
Loool.i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
Does this remind anyone else of ash and pacovf last game?
Are you saying they're both town?
I think that's something WW wouldn't lie about. I mean maybe he's throwing it out of proportion, but that's because he's on the receiving end of the bad read so he's a bit more sensitive when it happens. It's solidifying my townread on him.Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Or good reads, Whatever.Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
The point WW was trying to make is that he wouldn't give ADK the gun, he can't give ADK the gun if he's town.Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
Yeah. Yes except in the case that I mentioned where he wanted to eliminate ADK early, which isn't that WIFOM at all, or if it is it only has to last him a day or so. Eh, it's all pursuading me. maybe. maybe i need another drnkMaybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
His point was that he wouldn't have chosen ADK if he were scum.
Which would clear him, but then WIFOM.
All of which is way too self-aware for town!WW who wouldn't even have posted that, hence my vote.
Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?Not asking me??? :(
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
And you like half of us half as well as we deserve? :( :'( :"(Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
Not really. I haven't been playing much recently so I don't really know half of the people here well enough to make a good guess.
Yes, yes you did.Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
I was commented on who I would pick for the gun bearer if I were scum.
I like you. Please don't be scum :(Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
I never noticed anything between you and ADK. Is there a specific game you're thinking of?
PPE: I was pointing it out - mainly I just think strong reads this early in the game are very likely to be wrong. They haven't earned any town/scum points through that.
Like.. always when I was scum.. Okay maybe it was really only a few times, but they were all in a row so it felt like he always had me pegged. Um.. Greater Idea, Homeland, Monster's U..
But only when your scum... so you should be fine if your town right?
His point was that he wouldn't have chosen ADK if he were scum.
Which would clear him, but then WIFOM.
All of which is way too self-aware for town!WW who wouldn't even have posted that, hence my vote.
Muwahahahaha.
I kinda like this game mode though. Even if you get "mislynched" you still get to play. Although I feel kinda bad for ADK as he might get kicked out day 1.Hey, I did that once. Twice in fact!
Another important note: I will not be around for the "official" deadline. The latest I can be sure to be online is 10 am forum time on the 19th, so I'm going to treat that as my deadline for shooting. If there's no majority lynch before then, then as I said before, I'll shoot whoever has the largest wagon.Sounds good! Also boring!
That's probably it. I'm probably not the deathnote carrier since I have a 100% vig rate and like flaunting it (also glad I'm not the shooter since that rate might go down T_T)Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
I wouldn't read too much into it. You're pretty good at making yourself obvtown, might as well make you the IC, is probably the thought process here.
Clearly.Muwahahahaha.
I take it you don't take my case seriously ?
That's what I said! Goodness, stop stealing all my ideas, WW! I take it back, I don't like you anymore >:(I kinda like this game mode though. Even if you get "mislynched" you still get to play. Although I feel kinda bad for ADK as he might get kicked out day 1.
That could be a reason for choosing ADK if they think he has good reads. It's a more risky strategy.. a player may have good reads, but they're still more likely to hit Town early than scum, so it gives them a greater chance of getting rid of that player.
Maybe, give the first gun to the first player you'd want to night kill.
I might give it to someone I thought was a strong town player.
He'd also be wrong if he was scum, just wrong in the right way.Muwahahahaha.
I take it you don't take my case seriously ?
Well I think you'll find that it's wrong, assuming that you're town.
Hey guys. Good to be back in the game.Zzzzz No vote?
ADK is the IC I see. I am totally fine with him creating whatever deadline works best for him. silverspawn and WW are extremely self-aware, which is cool but not necessarily scummy (never played with silverspawn, but from what I have watched of his play that seems pretty normal). Teproc seems like his usual self (as far as I remember). Keeping track of votes for wagons and helping direct the kill sounds very reasonable.
I don't think scum would care about someone's reads when choosing who gets the gun; we decided we would do majorities and with a four-man scum team, I'm sure they realized that's what we would do.You misunderstand, the shooter is the only one who gets killed if the town is wrong, and the town is wrong decently often. They'd give the gun to the person who is the most dangerous later on, ie the person they'd likely nightkill in a regular game.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.Cool, I like this.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Sure.I would like everyone to answer why they think I might have been picked.
No better option maybe? I honestly don't know. I mean, there are some people I wouldn't pick. I probably wouldn't pick a lurker because they are usually suspected already. I wouldn't pick WW because he is always scum. I wouldn't pick silverspawn because of his playstyle (from what I have seen). I would try to pick someone who is generally active and gives off a towny vibe and probably wouldn't be a target for the first shot. I think you fit in that category.
Which means you keep our reads on you as hazy as possible. There was plenty of content this game.silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
But there's an even number of scum!silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
Right. Why ? You're looking at very good odds if you're town you know.
Err, I thought e was a math term?silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
Right. Why ? You're looking at very good odds if you're town you know.
I mean, yeah, I have a 40% chance that my initial vote will be on scum. I just don't feel that 40% about anyone yet.
40% huh ?^
So are you forgetting about ADK being an IC or about you being town ?
Four out of nine ain't bad~40% huh ?
So are you forgetting about ADK being an IC or about you being town ?
ADK being IC. So yeah, that improves my odds even more.
DAMMIT I AM THE ONE WHO... err wait, that's me. Carry on then.A Drowned Kernal is the Notebearer.:'(
I'll read the QT laterThis is probably a lie, fyi, I like pie, don't dwi.
I like you. Please don't be scum :(
vote: Axxle2
either he is scum, or we really want him to be the notebearer
vote: Axxle2
either he is scum, or we really want him to be the notebearer
Why ?
I have a 100% vig rate and like flaunting it
Like, WW, what "plan are you referring to exactly ? The only good reason to shoot Axxle is if you think is scum...
I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?
I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?
I have a 100% rate with hitting town as a vig. So I'm pretty confident in my abilities.Have you been one?
I have a 100% rate with hitting town as a vig. So I'm pretty confident in my abilities.Have you been one?
Oh gosh, I'm blushing.QuoteI like you. Please don't be scum :(
vote: Axxle2No and I don't think *you* would want me as a notebearer, maybe town though.
either he is scum, or we really want him to be the notebearer
Good question, but lack of response to anything I wrote is pretty bad.vote: Axxle2
either he is scum, or we really want him to be the notebearer
Why ?
Yeah, or just shoot me as a last resort as a godmode like cheat.vote: Axxle2
either he is scum, or we really want him to be the notebearer
Why ?
Did you read his catchup post?I have a 100% vig rate and like flaunting it
We could use someone like that as our notebearer.
Or we can just keep him alive and he can tell me who to shoot.Axxle2 likey.
Axxle2 thinks I'm town. You can trust him, he's drunk.howeduno??//?>?
Vote: eYeah, I've been thinking that e was worth the vote, and I think the wagon has started taking steam
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
I hope Axxle is town. But we don't need him to be the gunbearer, we can just let him decide whom to shoot anyway. But that's for ADK to decide.Good plan is good.
I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?It's a town thing, you wouldn't understand.
Like, WW, what "plan are you referring to exactly ? The only good reason to shoot Axxle is if you think is scum...e's plan of shooting me is win win. Either I'm scum and town gets closer to winning, or I'm town and town autowins since I'll kill all the scum afterwards.
I'm not that hard to read unless I post in font size 1 or something.Like, WW, what "plan are you referring to exactly ? The only good reason to shoot Axxle is if you think is scum...
Or if I think he'll go on a scum killing spree :)
Also, I think he'll be extremely hard to read.
Actually, I like Axxle2. Vote: Axxle2The more votes I see on me the more I think it's a meh idea. I mean it's probably because I'm conditioned that being voted for is a bad thing but eh.
Didn't teproc say that?I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?
It seems I'll be vla till monday. I hope you won't generate something like agot d1 volume in the meantime :)Wait, you're in this game???
Yeah, I think people are taking a joke a bit too far and a bit too seriously.I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?
Well if he's true that he never missed as a vig, it makes sense to let him decide. Other than that, there's not really a reason.
I have a 100% rate with hitting town as a vig. So I'm pretty confident in my abilities.Well I got it first, so there!
I think I have 5 forum shots and 2 IRL shots correct.I have a 100% rate with hitting town as a vig. So I'm pretty confident in my abilities.Have you been one?
Yes I was a 1 shot vig in james bond mafia and killed robz. so not much experience
I was mostly just joking.:'(
so, in all seriousness, do you think you should be the one deciding whom to shoot?I think I've been out of the loop in this meta that I probably shouldn't be the absolute authority, as much as I'd think it'd be hilarious if I peg the scumteam this game. I'd appreciate it if my vote would pull a retired professional sports player and took on extra weight!
of course, objectively speaking, there is a big chance that you're scum, so doing something like that would be even more dangerous than treating this as a normal game with 4 scum to manipulate wagons
silver-spawn. this name goes back way before dominion.Yeah, I assumed it was a pre-dominion username, most of the usernames here are, I suspect. Just wanted to make sure I was pronouncing it right in my headcanon.
but you're not the first one who gets this idea.
"silverspawn woke up suddenly, and for some reason knew that today was going to be different...".... and? you can't just leave a cliffhanger like that :(
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Vote: e
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
Vote: eYeah, I've been thinking that e was worth the vote, and I think the wagon has started taking steam
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
vote: e
yea, but you don't take blitz games very seriously, do you?
And I may go crazy and start rapid firing.
Trying to intimidate us into not shooting you ?
PPE : Nevermind
No, trying to make you think that so that you will shoot me, so that I get the gun.
Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
I kinda like this game mode though. Even if you get "mislynched" you still get to play. Although I feel kinda bad for ADK as he might get kicked out day 1.
Hey guys. Good to be back in the game.
ADK is the IC I see. I am totally fine with him creating whatever deadline works best for him. silverspawn and WW are extremely self-aware, which is cool but not necessarily scummy (never played with silverspawn, but from what I have watched of his play that seems pretty normal). Teproc seems like his usual self (as far as I remember). Keeping track of votes for wagons and helping direct the kill sounds very reasonable.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
Vote: e
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
I hope Axxle is town. But we don't need him to be the gunbearer, we can just let him decide whom to shoot anyway. But that's for ADK to decide.
Actually, I like Axxle2. Vote: Axxle2
I just realized that the terrible thing about this setup is that we can't just shoot lurkers for the hell of it, since if we shoot wrong they get the book. Wheeeeee...This is a good point, and means that we need to put more non-voting pressure on lurkers to compensate. I'm not sure how to do that, though, without making people who really can't post much get unfairly targeted. Any ideas?
so, shouldn't we do something to get this game going, in, like, a meaningful way?
I think... uh... I am really towny? that's my only read so far.
Sure, I have 3 votes for me to be the next notebearer, so I might as well respond to them.silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Comparing this game to a blitz game? I guess that is the only scum performance you have to go back to (except village mafia, but I don't really count that) so I guess that is fair, but really? I mean, yeah, I was being open-ended and that makes it harder to get reads on a person later in the game, but it was still the first day. I try to keep my options open but then when I think I have found scum I will go for it. Like when I went after Archetype in Toy Story. Or Faust in Dynasty Warriors. When I think I have found scum you will be sure to know.
Really, I could do the same thing with your play style. All you do is throw around votes looking for something to stick. First you vote WW because he is overly self-aware. Then you vote for me because my first post is a little wishy-washy without content. But this time it has actually stuck around a bit and picked up two more votes. Congrats! Now your scum partners can slowly fill up the wagon and "lynch" me.Vote: e
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
Are you saying my vote on Axxle2 was me trying to come up with a townie plan for us? Because that vote was not entirely serious. While it does have merit in my opinion (Axxle2 has not had a lot of content so far but has posted a ton, mostly jokes. Which seems like an easy thing for scum to do to get town cred) I wasn't trying to come up with some master plan.Vote: eYeah, I've been thinking that e was worth the vote, and I think the wagon has started taking steam
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
vote: e
This is a classic "third in the wagon" comfortable vote. Not a very suspicious place to be, but still makes it a real wagon rather than a couple of votes. Makes me like my vote on Axxle2 more.
PPE:3
Actually, I like Axxle2. Vote: Axxle2
As a lynch, or as a shooter? If you think he has good reads, then just vote for whoever he finds scummy - that way ADK doesn't die for nothing. I could see a case that he's hard to read and so a good target, though. Is that what you mean?
FYI that's L-1.
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
*coughwhiteknightcough*
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
*coughwhiteknightcough*
You know what ? I still think e could be scum, but I'd be stunned if you're not. This is not how you play as town.
vote : WW
vote: WW
New policy going forward, for as long as I have the gun: anyone who self-votes gets shot on the spot. It's obnoxious and anti-town.
I agree that silver saying there's scum on the wagon is obviously a very safe statement, however it seems to be a pretty normal town mindset than to think "wow, in this game with 4 scum, that fast-moving wagon has to be manipulated by scum". I also have that voice in my head at least.
Silverspawn's statement has a lot of convenience in it. As hypothetical scum, even if e is not his partner, Silver gets some town cred for defense, and saying "there is scum on the wagon" is probably more likely to be true than not. And if we end up lynching one of Silver's partner on the wagon, then he gets some bus cred there too.This, for example, is medium-strong evidence against ss.
so, shouldn't we do something to get this game going, in, like, a meaningful way?Shoot:
I think... uh... I am really towny? that's my only read so far.
Really, I could do the same thing with your play style. All you do is throw around votes looking for something to stick. First you vote WW because he is overly self-aware. Then you vote for me because my first post is a little wishy-washy without content. But this time it has actually stuck around a bit and picked up two more votes. Congrats! Now your scum partners can slowly fill up the wagon and "lynch" me.Is this a serious case?
It really didn't. I asked, he answered, I made a story. That was like a 4 post detour.so, shouldn't we do something to get this game going, in, like, a meaningful way?
I think... uh... I am really towny? that's my only read so far.
I guess the thing about your username slowed it down. I'm trying now to provoke enough people to get something happening.
White knighting is protecting a townie when you're scum, and yet you're on the e wagon. What exactly are you trying to say here?I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
*coughwhiteknightcough*
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.This is why I'm voting for him:
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.:-[
Hey guys. Good to be back in the game.
ADK is the IC I see. I am totally fine with him creating whatever deadline works best for him. silverspawn and WW are extremely self-aware, which is cool but not necessarily scummy (never played with silverspawn, but from what I have watched of his play that seems pretty normal). Teproc seems like his usual self (as far as I remember). Keeping track of votes for wagons and helping direct the kill sounds very reasonable.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Vote: e
Gut instinct of someone trying to look like they have a townie plan.
(I actually think the shooting Axxle idea is good, but for some reason I don't trust e saying it.)
Hey guys. Good to be back in the game.
ADK is the IC I see. I am totally fine with him creating whatever deadline works best for him. silverspawn and WW are extremely self-aware, which is cool but not necessarily scummy (never played with silverspawn, but from what I have watched of his play that seems pretty normal). Teproc seems like his usual self (as far as I remember). Keeping track of votes for wagons and helping direct the kill sounds very reasonable.
This post looks like it says something but doesn't actually do anything but approve of already consensus things. vote: e
Looks like my vote wasn't obvious enough. (Or maybe I forgot to switch back)
vote: e
Vote: e
I feel like e or WW is scum but I don't know why I get that feeling. I'm going with e for now though.
Yea, I was VLA, just read the entire thread now.
Vote: e
I didn't so much like the original case, but his post of quoting all the votes on him and giving a lengthy response felt way out of proportion, which I feel usually comes from scum. I don't have a strong opinion on WW, self-meta stuff is always labeled as scummy, but I think at least for myself it's actually town tell.
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.
White knighting is protecting a townie when you're scum, and yet you're on the e wagon. What exactly are you trying to say here?I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
*coughwhiteknightcough*
Though, Hydrad looks scummy in almost every game.
Though, Hydrad looks scummy in almost every game.
What do you have against me!
Sweet let's shoot some people.
So there's no Night phase.. setup doesn't say anything about the scum team getting day chat. Anyone play this format before?
Maybe you're scum.
Maybe they thought ADK was hard to read.. maybe they think ADK has bad reads, or they don't often get found out by him.
I can tell you I certainly wouldn't have chosen ADK, because he's always the sole guy that suspects me as scum from very early on. This is exactly the worst format for me as scum and ADK as town. Or maybe I played some WIFOM with that and convinced my scum team so that I could make this argument. Of course, if I did that, I wouldn't make this argument, I'd wait until someone else brought it up.
vote : WW
I'm not so concerned with getting shot, though. Because then I get a gun. And then I can shoot bitches.
Vote: silverspawn
I agree that his first post seems like it's pushing aside suspicion when there isn't any, and it could be planned in a QT. I usually do RVS but I actually found a legitimate reason to vote someone right away.
Hey guys. Good to be back in the game.
ADK is the IC I see. I am totally fine with him creating whatever deadline works best for him. silverspawn and WW are extremely self-aware, which is cool but not necessarily scummy (never played with silverspawn, but from what I have watched of his play that seems pretty normal). Teproc seems like his usual self (as far as I remember). Keeping track of votes for wagons and helping direct the kill sounds very reasonable.
I don't think scum would care about someone's reads when choosing who gets the gun; we decided we would do majorities and with a four-man scum team, I'm sure they realized that's what we would do.
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
Yes, I kept my options open with my first post of the game, rather than immediately voting for someone like you did.
It seems I'll be vla till monday. I hope you won't generate something like agot d1 volume in the meantime :)
Sure, I have 3 votes for me to be the next notebearer, so I might as well respond to them.
[snipped]
Vote: e
I feel like e or WW is scum but I don't know why I get that feeling. I'm going with e for now though.
Silverspawn's statement has a lot of convenience in it. As hypothetical scum, even if e is not his partner, Silver gets some town cred for defense, and saying "there is scum on the wagon" is probably more likely to be true than not. And if we end up lynching one of Silver's partner on the wagon, then he gets some bus cred there too.
I agree that silver saying there's scum on the wagon is obviously a very safe statement, however it seems to be a pretty normal town mindset than to think "wow, in this game with 4 scum, that fast-moving wagon has to be manipulated by scum". I also have that voice in my head at least.
WW (33): Eevee, sudgy, EgorK
When we discussed this setup during the sunday mafia chat, I think most of us agreed we'd take input from the town but ultimately make the decision ourselves.I don't think scum would care about someone's reads when choosing who gets the gun; we decided we would do majorities and with a four-man scum team, I'm sure they realized that's what we would do.
This strikes me as a little odd, since it's not necessarily true. The majority thing is up to the gunbearer and while it's what I'm doing, I think there are players who would shoot whoever the hell they wanted.
Self-preservation or a real read?QuoteWW (33): Eevee, sudgy, EgorK
"Who's not talking about whom" is an interesting point that I've never considered. It seems the only people I'm not talking about are the people that haven't really posted anything.
Also, I'm back to
Vote: e
When we discussed this setup during the sunday mafia chat, I think most of us agreed we'd take input from the town but ultimately make the decision ourselves.I don't think scum would care about someone's reads when choosing who gets the gun; we decided we would do majorities and with a four-man scum team, I'm sure they realized that's what we would do.
This strikes me as a little odd, since it's not necessarily true. The majority thing is up to the gunbearer and while it's what I'm doing, I think there are players who would shoot whoever the hell they wanted.
How many votes is that on e, and when is the ADK deadline ?
Sure, but not every player was there. I wasn't. And I'm not ultimately making the decision myself- I'm counting my own vote as equal to anyone else's, but I'm explicitly stating if the majority overrules me, I'll go along, which is certainly not something that every player would do.
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.This is why I'm voting for him:
1. He didn't vote for anyone in his first post, lack of commitment is scummy. Got it. Thanks. I will put that in my diary under "mafia 101".
2. In his first post he mentioned that two players were "self aware" but "cool but not necessarily scummy". I don't even know how that could be "cool" but being super tepid about whether he wants to say they're scum or not indicates scum. By "cool" I meant "I will remember this for later but I don't think they are scum yet"
3. He gets somewhat defensive about his first post, and even blasts someone for furthering the game state (voting for someone right out the gate). That's playing more towards the scum win con than the town one. When I "blasted" Teproc for voting right out of the gate, that was basically just an opposite example of my hedgy first post. I was attempting to point out that the case on me had a lot more to do about posting style than anything else.
4. A minor point, but he got the math slightly wrong regarding voting for scum, which probably comes from scum slightly more than town since it shows he hasn't hasn't thought too much about the town motivated vote. Ok. Sure.
5. He's on the "let's waste a shot to make Axxle2 the shooter" bandwagon, which I find a bit antitown, as hilarious a line we could take. OMGUS
5a. He votes me saying "either I'm scum or..." without explaining why he thinks I'm scum. I wasn't insinuating that you were scum, and therefore did not feel obliged to present a case. I was merely making a factual statement.
6. He already had 2 votes on him, wagons are protown. (side note: If town worried about how they looked being the Xth person on a wagon we'd never get anyone lynched.) Good point
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.
Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
Problem isn't defending. It's overreacting to suspicion.What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.
Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.
It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.
Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.
Er, so I just looked at the wiki entry, and what's scum's actual win condition for this setup? Town can't technically be endgamed, since there's no lynch; if it ever got to one town, he could just shoot all the scum. So I assume scum wins when they outnumber town but it would be nice to know what it is precisely.
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
1) you already were voting me
2) I am at "shoot-1" so I think I should defend myself just a little
3) No one else has posted anything about anything for almost 24 hours except what you just posted
So my question at this point is whether you were almost just a careless hammer, or manipulative scum trying to seem innocent about a hammer. I think the latter.
vote: Eevee
So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".
So it's 7-4 now; we only have two missed shots before "MyLo".
but every time we hit scum we get a extra shot to miss before we lose again.
In the last game I was mafia, town did this for scum. It's a gut reaction ppl have to the first wagon.Though, Hydrad looks scummy in almost every game.
What do you have against me!
You got mislynched twice, it's not a silverspawn thing.
@WW : I disagree with your statement there, I think wagon dynamics are very different because there are so many scum players. I could easily see scum!silver raising the "wow, that wagon was fast !" issue to protect his partner.
I do think he's town though (silver).
If you want to do this, ADK, I'd say at least give yourself doublevoter status or something. You know you're town.Sure, but not every player was there. I wasn't. And I'm not ultimately making the decision myself- I'm counting my own vote as equal to anyone else's, but I'm explicitly stating if the majority overrules me, I'll go along, which is certainly not something that every player would do.
I am really not a fan of this. I think that the notebearer should listen and put a lot of weight into what the town majority thinks, but should make the ultimate decision himself.
In DW2, I didn't come out with a real vote until several days into D1. By then I had a good feel for people and had enough to convince my (mistakenly) that faust was scum.Assuming this is true, this plus his point by point rebuttal of my case makes me want to...
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.Mmmm, not really. He's the biggest wagon and now that people have put out cases and now he can respond to them. I mean I guess he could be searching for scum but that's just a bit more antitown than scummy.
If he had like one vote for him that's overdefensive. But he's almost lynched.What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
Vote Count 1.5Egor is on me tooooooo
Eevee (2): XerxesPraelor, 2.71828.....
Witherweaver (1): Teproc
2.71828..... (4): Axxle 2, Hydrad, Witherweaver, Eevee
Axxle2 (1): sudgy
Hydrad (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (2): EgorK, A Drowned Kernel
Day 1 ends at 2pm FT on October 19th.
In DW2, I didn't come out with a real vote until several days into D1. By then I had a good feel for people and had enough to convince my (mistakenly) that faust was scum.Assuming this is true, this plus his point by point rebuttal of my case makes me want to...
Unvote
WW doesn't seem to be happening, let's try something else.
Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.
It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
You said something scummy that one time.
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
You said something scummy that one time.
Why can't we lynch this guy again ?
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
I think it's of interest that Eevee doesn't defend himself.. he somewhat backed himself into a corner with the "e is overdefending" argument, so if he comes off as defensive here, people can throw that argument back to him. This is something he'd definitely be conscious of as scum. Would he be conscious of it as town, too? Well, probably, so this isn't damning or anything.
I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.
Still no one ?
I mean ok, you kind of get out of it by the end of your post here, but this is not something town!WW posts. You follow the line of thought, realize it's worth nothing, and don't post it.
But here it allows you to give some fuel to the Eevee wagon in case someone actually thinks it's scummy.
You're such an easy mislynch that I'm the only one voting for you, ever.
*You know you've never been right about my alignment?
*You know you've never been right about my alignment?
I am aware of that, yes.
Actually it's not true, I made you an IC in ASoIaF. But yes. Still.
I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.
Still no one ?
Well scum!me only has three other partners, so there are still six Town other than you that aren't lighting their torches to march on my door just as much as my scum partners are not. That's twice as many not my scum partners as my scum partners.
Or it could be that I've been presenting myself as an easy "mislynch" and scum doesn't want to take the bait.
PPE: I laughed last time you voted for me right? I think so. I'll do it again: Muwahahahaha
I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.
Still no one ?
Well scum!me only has three other partners, so there are still six Town other than you that aren't lighting their torches to march on my door just as much as my scum partners are not. That's twice as many not my scum partners as my scum partners.
Or it could be that I've been presenting myself as an easy "mislynch" and scum doesn't want to take the bait.
PPE: I laughed last time you voted for me right? I think so. I'll do it again: Muwahahahaha
You guys remember what you said about my early posts reminding you all of scum!e in that blitz game? Well, this post reminds me of that. Talking about yourself as scum, making jokes, just generally assuming you are above suspicion. Now, WW is an experienced scum player, and as far as I recall never did anything like this. But I don't know, I might be talked into a WW vote.
First I want to hear from eevee though. I also totally disagree with what WW said about eevee backing himself into a corner over the whole "defending" thing. Because at L-2 (which is where he used to be) I would expect some defense. Of some sort.
It seems I'll be vla till monday. I hope you won't generate something like agot d1 volume in the meantime :)
Interesting read so far, especcially Axlle. Actually if he is really good at vig then vote: Axxle2 as he seems to be hard to read so can be scum as well
Honestly its just a thought and a pretty lame one. But this game has a higher then 50% winrate if town just randomly shoots someone every time.
It might be better to just ignore votes and stuff as mafia can influence it so much.
Unless I forgot how to code actual town chances are about 43% using random votes (and yes, I had accounted for notebearer no shooting himself)
Go for Axxle. We either eleminate hard to read scum or get good vig
I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.
Still no one ?
Well scum!me only has three other partners, so there are still six Town other than you that aren't lighting their torches to march on my door just as much as my scum partners are not. That's twice as many not my scum partners as my scum partners.
Or it could be that I've been presenting myself as an easy "mislynch" and scum doesn't want to take the bait.
PPE: I laughed last time you voted for me right? I think so. I'll do it again: Muwahahahaha
You guys remember what you said about my early posts reminding you all of scum!e in that blitz game? Well, this post reminds me of that. Talking about yourself as scum, making jokes, just generally assuming you are above suspicion. Now, WW is an experienced scum player, and as far as I recall never did anything like this. But I don't know, I might be talked into a WW vote.
First I want to hear from eevee though. I also totally disagree with what WW said about eevee backing himself into a corner over the whole "defending" thing. Because at L-2 (which is where he used to be) I would expect some defense. Of some sort.
That was kind of my point. Scum!Eevee thinks he has to respond to his quickly growing wagon (I voted right after Teproc). But he also thinks, "Hmm.. I'm arguing for a mislynch (unlikely you're both scum) by claiming e is being overly defensive. If I start acting really defensive, my argument against e will look worse. Maybe I should take a different route." Town might not stop to think how defending would make them look and simply defend.
This is completely ignoring the fact that "what's the case against me because I don't see it" IS a defense, one that Eevee often uses actually.
Eevee : for me it's simple. You're being lazy, going for an easy case and overstating it by saying that overedefending yourself is a scum tell (it's been proven time and time again that it isn't) and you just generally feel off.What? No it hasn't. Who could it even be proved?
You also felt completely off to me when I was spectating James Bond though, so... I don't know, you're not my preferred lynch, but why not.
This is completely ignoring the fact that "what's the case against me because I don't see it" IS a defense, one that Eevee often uses actually.e underlined the reasons pretty well. I of course agree with you guys that being at L-2 merits a response. I'm almost glad, being made to defend yourself is one of the easiest ways of getting yourself immersed in the game.
I of course agree with you guys that being at L-2 merits a response. I'm almost glad, being made to defend yourself is one of the easiest ways of getting yourself immersed in the game.
Also its pretty much time for WW to be scum again i think.
I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum in e or WW. but e's wagon got high really quickly. I think thats something more likely to happen as town. I'm going to go to
Vote: WW
Also its pretty much time for WW to be scum again i think.
I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum in e or WW. but e's wagon got high really quickly. I think thats something more likely to happen as town. I'm going to go to
Vote: WW
Also its pretty much time for WW to be scum again i think.
"Pretty sure" ... why?
I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum in e or WW. but e's wagon got high really quickly. I think thats something more likely to happen as town. I'm going to go to
Vote: WW
Also its pretty much time for WW to be scum again i think.
"Pretty sure" ... why?
Nah thats not the real reason I'm voting you. Just felt like putting it in there.
I realize its not a very good case but with day 1 there isn't a whole lot to go off of. I'm going with the thought that scum is going to try extremely hard to not get shot day 1. So i really don't think if e was scum his wagon would have gotten that close. that makes me think hes towny. I guess its not even between you or e any more. I'm fairly sure that e is town and I think you are scum.
The biggest thing here is I don't have an amazing case for why you are scum... I just have a feeling.
Why you do not want to kill Axxle?
The problem with shooting someone who's lurking is if they're town, they get the gun.
1. Eevee 2. Hydrad 3. Witherweaver 4. Teproc 5. silverspawn 6. XerxesPraelor 7. sudgy 8. A Drowned Kernal 9. Axxle2 10. EgorK 11. 2.71828..... | 9 19 55 43 28 30 9 18 31 6 20 |
Ok you're right, I'm surprised by this, Eevee has felt a lot more present this game than sudgy for example.
I think lurking is pretty null by the way, and I don't see a reason why we should or should kill lurkers, since whoever gets the kill doesn't matter if we still use a lynching system, which people seem to forget we agreed to at the beginning of this game.
Ok you're right, I'm surprised by this, Eevee has felt a lot more present this game than sudgy for example.
I think lurking is pretty null by the way, and I don't see a reason why we should or should kill lurkers, since whoever gets the kill doesn't matter if we still use a lynching system, which people seem to forget we agreed to at the beginning of this game.
Ok you're right, I'm surprised by this, Eevee has felt a lot more present this game than sudgy for example.
I think lurking is pretty null by the way, and I don't see a reason why we should or should kill lurkers, since whoever gets the kill doesn't matter if we still use a lynching system, which people seem to forget we agreed to at the beginning of this game.
I don't think lurking should be null. Call it a policy lynch. Lurkers should be lynched more often, otherwise lurking actually becomes the best strategy
Plus, I have almost only town reads this game. If lurkers are null, that's good enough here.
I do not agree with a "lynch all lurkers" philosophy though. In my opinion, lurking does not make a person scum, but posting makes a person seem like town. Therefore, lurkers, in general, seem like scum to me much more than active posters.
Which might not always be the case
Anyway, if you flip scum, we'll know to look for lurkers - thanks!
I don't know that we completely agreed on this.we absolutely didn't. maybe some people did, but not all of us.
You're pushing us away from lynching lurkers. Now I agree we have better choices now, but we can't just let scum lurk to victory. Still, that was probably better saved until after we know that you're scum - not much use speculating now.
Why you do not want to kill Axxle?
why do you want to shoot Axxle? I mean, you haven't actually presented anything resembling a case about him.
Ok you're right, I'm surprised by this, Eevee has felt a lot more present this game than sudgy for example.
I think lurking is pretty null by the way, and I don't see a reason why we should or should kill lurkers, since whoever gets the kill doesn't matter if we still use a lynching system, which people seem to forget we agreed to at the beginning of this game.
Why you do not want to kill Axxle?
why do you want to shoot Axxle? I mean, you haven't actually presented anything resembling a case about him.
I've presented my case. But question was not directed at you but at silver. He contends that voting for Axxle is scummy for some reason, I want to know why
Interesting read so far, especcially Axlle. Actually if he is really good at vig then vote: Axxle2 as he seems to be hard to read so can be scum as well
I still don't get your thought process, but it looks like I made a mistake there. That ferocity does look scummy though.
Why you do not want to kill Axxle?Why should I want to kill Axxle? It's the first time I'm playing with him. My impression is that he's active, good at this game, and pretty hilarious. None of that is a reason to kill, or not to kill him (in this format, shooting someone who's good is a double edged sword). So, I'm null on him.
Up to a point, anti-town should be scummy - we'd rather have people get town points for pro-town actions than for anti-town ones.
Up to a point, anti-town should be scummy - we'd rather have people get town points for pro-town actions than for anti-town ones.
That's the idea behind policy lynching yes.
Me, I try to win this game, not make it easier for town in future games.
I still don't see how my not wanting to policy lynch people is reducing my ability to win this game ? Policy lynching is obviously worse at finding scum than normal lynching is, that's why I don't do it.
I still don't see how my not wanting to policy lynch people is reducing my ability to win this game ? Policy lynching is obviously worse at finding scum than normal lynching is, that's why I don't do it.
but it's like an investment in future games, isn't it? isn't that worth something too?
I still don't see how my not wanting to policy lynch people is reducing my ability to win this game ? Policy lynching is obviously worse at finding scum than normal lynching is, that's why I don't do it.
but it's like an investment in future games, isn't it? isn't that worth something too?
Only if you always roll town.
I mena if you think everyone sounds townie that's a fine thing to do, I happen to think most people sound scummy in this game.
Why you do not want to kill Axxle?
why do you want to shoot Axxle? I mean, you haven't actually presented anything resembling a case about him.
I've presented my case. But question was not directed at you but at silver. He contends that voting for Axxle is scummy for some reason, I want to know why
It's scummy because you have a strong vote on someone who won't be lynched today with basically no case.
Whu sudgy never got heat for his lurkness like me or eevee?that's a good point, and I'm totally going to vote for sudgy if that has any chance of happening.
QuoteWhu sudgy never got heat for his lurkness like me or eevee?that's a good point, and I'm totally going to vote for sudgy if that has any chance of happening.
So sudgy had some posts at the start of the game, around 9-11th, and then couple of posts at 15th-16th. His posts strikes me as disinterested. 2 votes - first on silver, then on Axxle. I don't know. Anyone knows his meta?
There are a lot of other people with votes on people who aren't getting shot. That should probably change.
I've been really busy recently, but have been reading. I just haven't found anything that's been big enough for me to post about.
yea. BAM. *SCREAAM*. someone is about to die. although I have no idea how you can die by shooting. maybe the gun... explodes? BOOM.
PEE: oh. okay. nice!
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.
Third, if Eevee was scum, it means he might have made/influenced the decision to make ADK the notebearer. So, why would he do that? Do Eevee and ADK have any history together? is ADK particularly good at reading Eevee or something?
wait does mafia have daychat then if there are no nights? I don't see any mention of this in the first few posts.
wait does mafia have daychat then if there are no nights? I don't see any mention of this in the first few posts.
Except, like, my very first post.
So it's about that time of the game where I
Vote: Hydrad
So this is where we stand right now. ADK said he would be shooting in about an hour or so.
Vote Count 1.2.71828
Eevee (3): 2.71828....., Witherweaver, Teproc
2.71828..... (1): Eevee
Axxle2 (2): sudgy, EgorK
Hydrad (1): Axxle2
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, XerxesPraelor
Sudgy (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel
So right now we are looking at eevee getting shot. I don't really see a ton of movement happening up until the point that ADK shoots.
I don't think I should get any town points for switching to Eevee last minute, because he already had the most votes. Rather for the fact that I previously said Eevee is my favorite among the list of lynches that aren't solely based on lurking, and really only switched in the first place because I tried to make a lurker lynch happen.
also a fun thing that I thought I would post. unless WW is scum my reads the past few games have been horrible. I did much better when I got super influenced by everyone in my first few games. Whenever I try to sound confident and pick someone on my own I'm wrong...
and yes I know people will probably find this scummy somehow. I just wanted to post it anyways.
So it's about that time of the game where I
Vote: Hydrad
Because, I was at "shoot-1" which seems like it would be big enough to merit a comment.
Sudgy voting Axxle strikes me as odd..
Awesome !
Off the top of my head, sudgy probably looks the scummiest based on Eevee's flip.
I still think WW has a decent chance of being scum.
Awesome !
Off the top of my head, sudgy probably looks the scummiest based on Eevee's flip.
I still think WW has a decent chance of being scum.
What, seriously?
Awesome !
Off the top of my head, sudgy probably looks the scummiest based on Eevee's flip.
I still think WW has a decent chance of being scum.
What, seriously?
I fully expect scum to bus in this setup, and you were on the chopping block anyway. I'll have to reread to see if it makes sense though.
Vote: Xerxes
As e mentioned, he voted for Eevee but left, and he was on my wagon and on e's, who I'm starting to think is more town. Also, XP hasn't done much of anything very XP like this game.
Vote: Xerxes
As e mentioned, he voted for Eevee but left, and he was on my wagon and on e's, who I'm starting to think is more town. Also, XP hasn't done much of anything very XP like this game.
By definition, everything I do is XP like. What do you mean?
I feel like I'm acting just the same (maybe a little less confident). What are you talking about?
I can see some logic behind that, but I also want to give some chance for discussion, and some Axxle is on VLA. Would people be too upset if I resolved to shoot by this Friday?
Shortening deadlines? Why? Longer games is good for town, no?
Longer games can also cause town to lose interest (see: Legend of Zelda) and then scum can get away with lurking more because it isn't clear who's doing it because they're scum and who's just disinterested town. I won't shoot too quickly, and I want to hear everyone's thoughts on it, but it's an idea worth considering. Also keep posting reads, we don't want discussion to be bogged down with this.
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though
Protip: Search for "Goko username: Eevee" (or whomever).
Protip: Search for "Goko username: Eevee" (or whomever).
But I do not want to read just eevee, but talk about him as well
I'm going to be out of the country for about a week and a half starting tomorrow, so I'll be pretty VLA.
I didn't realize he would be gone so long either. We can wait out the whole day, later days can always be shorter if that's what people want.
Oh, and vote: Hydrad because I feel like it.
Hey people should post some stuff. I still think WW's kind of scummy. So is Hydrad. Someone want to convince me not to shoot one of them?
Why do you think WW is town?
I guess because he bussed eevee day 1 has a big part.
I guess because he bussed eevee day 1 has a big part.
If this was anyone else I would call "scumslip" on this...
I guess because he bussed eevee day 1 has a big part.
If this was anyone else I would call "scumslip" on this...
I guess because he bussed eevee day 1 has a big part.
If this was anyone else I would call "scumslip" on this...
I'm actually getting a big feeling that Hydrad and WW were partners with Eevee from the way his last few posts have been worded.
Again, need to reread though.
So WW. What do you think of us being a scumteam?
So WW. What do you think of us being a scumteam?
Is our other partner XP?
I have no read on Sudgy.
sudgy was brought up, multiple times after Eevee's lynch.
Yeah. On the contrary, Sudgy getting automatically jumped on suggests he's more likely to be town.
sudgy was brought up, multiple times after Eevee's lynch.
Yes. But I'm meaning during day 1 it seems like he was just sliding by. Hes not anymore because I think hes scum and want to get ADK to shoot him so I'm bringing him up almost every other post.
I have no read on Sudgy.
Me neither. But I find it weird how other people were complaining about lurkers but when they named names sudgy was almost never brought up. my thought could be that scum didn't want to even point to sudgy so that he would stay off the radar? Thats where my sudgy thoughts are coming in.
sudgy was brought up, multiple times after Eevee's lynch.
Yes. But I'm meaning during day 1 it seems like he was just sliding by. Hes not anymore because I think hes scum and want to get ADK to shoot him so I'm bringing him up almost every other post.I have no read on Sudgy.
Me neither. But I find it weird how other people were complaining about lurkers but when they named names sudgy was almost never brought up. my thought could be that scum didn't want to even point to sudgy so that he would stay off the radar? Thats where my sudgy thoughts are coming in.
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See I kind of have a hard time believing sudgy is scum because scum knows better than to lurk this hard.
Was Hydrad this opportunistic in the games we mislynched him in ? I don't think so right ?
Was Hydrad this opportunistic in the games we mislynched him in ? I don't think so right ?
Your last few posts really look like you're looking for someone, anyone, to be lynched. Town read on WW ? Gone in an instant. Ambivalent on sudgy ? Nope, working for his lynch.
Your last few posts really look like you're looking for someone, anyone, to be lynched. Town read on WW ? Gone in an instant. Ambivalent on sudgy ? Nope, working for his lynch.
oh nice I just learned a new word Ambivalent. I don't think I'm having mixed feelings about sudgy. I think hes scum but if no one will go for him I'm equally happy about XP also. The WW I'll admit I kinda swapped a bit on. I gave him a towny read after he was voting for eevee and he flipped. But you will see I thought he was scum day 1 also. Its just the more I thought about it the more it didn't add up and I realized I couldn't give him tons of cred just for that vote.
oh interesting I learned a new word. "lamenting".
I do still think WW is scummy. but hes more on the backburner right now. I think XP is scummiest for actions (but I always vote for him to get lynched...) and sudgy also is scummy for lurking and no one mentioning him? I'm guessing his scum partners didn't want to draw attention to sudgy?
silverspawn? e?sorry. for some reason, I lack motivation for this game, and haven't really done any rereads. well except rereading hydrad... in multiple games... and creating all sorts of stats about him... and hydrading...
See I kind of have a hard time believing sudgy is scum because scum knows better than to lurk this hard.
Well that logic would clear EgorK as well.
silverspawn? e?
silverspawn? e?sorry. for some reason, I lack motivation for this game, and haven't really done any rereads. well except rereading hydrad... in multiple games... and creating all sorts of stats about him... and hydrading...
ahm. I'll get to it later today.
don't worry, i'm pretty sure you're town here. not going to make a case against you.
Vote: silverspawn
I agree that his first post seems like it's pushing aside suspicion when there isn't any, and it could be planned in a QT. I usually do RVS but I actually found a legitimate reason to vote someone right away.
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
sudgy, have you played with silverspawn before ?
Once, but I was NKed N1 so I wasn't there long.
What do you remember about his play ?
Not much weird.
Teproc, sudgy, XP, do have any thoughts on why scum might have picked me?
(I have stuff to say about the other stuff that's going on, btw, but my strategy as IC here is to hang back at the start)
Not really. I haven't been playing much recently so I don't really know half of the people here well enough to make a good guess.
I don't think scum would care about someone's reads when choosing who gets the gun; we decided we would do majorities and with a four-man scum team, I'm sure they realized that's what we would do.
Actually, I like Axxle2. Vote: Axxle2
Actually, I like Axxle2. Vote: Axxle2
As a lynch, or as a shooter? If you think he has good reads, then just vote for whoever he finds scummy - that way ADK doesn't die for nothing. I could see a case that he's hard to read and so a good target, though. Is that what you mean?
Both, I guess? I'm having a hard time getting into this game for some reason.
I think overdefending is a valid scumtell. I haven't seen e do it too much, I'll have to re-look at things.
Sorry I haven't been able to get into the game as much. Maybe I should do a reads post soon or something.
I could probably go for WW or Eevee. I can see the cases in both of them, but I'm not too excited about it. I don't really see e. If I have time, I will reread and such.
Also, I don't see why you guys say overdefending isn't a scumtell. I myself was caught by it once.
So sudgy had some posts at the start of the game, around 9-11th, and then couple of posts at 15th-16th. His posts strikes me as disinterested. 2 votes - first on silver, then on Axxle. I don't know. Anyone knows his meta?
I have two ways I start games, depending on various real life factors: One, I'm really active and get lynched for it (every time, almost), or two, I don't manage to get into the game that well and it turns into what happened here.
I've been really busy recently, but have been reading. I just haven't found anything that's been big enough for me to post about.
Because, I was at "shoot-1" which seems like it would be big enough to merit a comment.
When they aren't actual votes, it makes it less huge...Sudgy voting Axxle strikes me as odd..
That was an old vote, I thought of maybe switching to Eevee but I still wasn't too sure.
We should do some reads analysis in relation to Eevee. I would think scum would be perfectly fine bussing with four scum, so I actually think the people who were the strongest on his case are the ones who would be the most scummy. I don't think all scum did so, but I think at least one did.
I think XP meant Axxle's playstyle is easy for him to replicate as scum, ie his play is very similar in both alignments.
I actually like XP better than Hydrad.. I have to hold back my Hydrad reads somewhat because I always want to lynch him. But I would go for either today.
I think XP meant Axxle's playstyle is easy for him to replicate as scum, ie his play is very similar in both alignments.Yup. The style isn't a town tell - scum Axxle2 would do that too. The content is what matters.
so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
Oh, and please say ASoIaF mafia, not GoT. There was a GoT mafia a while ago (my first game actually).
XP blending in is somewhat unusual, possibly scummy. I think WW commented on that already on day 1.
e... I'm not sure I've seen him as scum, and we started around the same time... he was probably scum in some RMM game but I can't remember it.
Oh yeah he was scum in a blitz game, I talkes about that already actually. He was very talkative but a bit non-commital as I recall.
PPE : It is true, Axxle is insanely hard to catch because of this, you have to rely on interactions.
About Hydrad. He made himself extremly hard to read as he feels scummy as hell when he is town. I am yet to see scum Hydrad (probably this game?), but overall I can't read him :(
Vote: EeveeReply 277
When in doubt, sheep the people that want to lynch you.
That's S-1, I think.
Reply 285 - Discusses the Eevee wagon.I mean the Eevee lynch is fine but the deafening silence I've been getting with trying to get a wagon on WW is making me feel really good about lynching him.
Still no one ?
Well scum!me only has three other partners, so there are still six Town other than you that aren't lighting their torches to march on my door just as much as my scum partners are not. That's twice as many not my scum partners as my scum partners.
Or it could be that I've been presenting myself as an easy "mislynch" and scum doesn't want to take the bait.
PPE: I laughed last time you voted for me right? I think so. I'll do it again: Muwahahahaha
silverspawn being self-aware is indeed very normal for him, which is why I was asking sudgy if he had played with him.
This post by e reminds me of that blitz game where he was scum though. Just saying obvious stuff about everyone, not actually taking any position, keeping your options open.
vote: e
I think teproc makes some good points here, but leading questions are at the very least annoying and at the worst scummy. It's not a big deal though, just something I'll remember.
Wait, is Eevee really in this game? I'm pretty sure he hasn't pposted
Yea, I was VLA, just read the entire thread now.
Vote: e
I didn't so much like the original case, but his post of quoting all the votes on him and giving a lengthy response felt way out of proportion, which I feel usually comes from scum. I don't have a strong opinion on WW, self-meta stuff is always labeled as scummy, but I think at least for myself it's actually town tell.
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.
I like XP a bit more as town for his catchup posts, fyi. He can switch with Hydrad in the later pile.
and yea, I think there is scum on the wagon. not one, duh, that's a pretty trivial statement. My guess is more 2+. Hydrad. XP? WW? Maybe even Eevee.
Self-preservation or a real read?QuoteWW (33): Eevee, sudgy, EgorK
"Who's not talking about whom" is an interesting point that I've never considered. It seems the only people I'm not talking about are the people that haven't really posted anything.
Also, I'm back to
Vote: e
I prefer e to WW/the field really. His overreaction to the wagon is the scummiest thing to me this far.
As I said, Axxle also seems to be trying too hard for my likening, but I've always found him one of the hardest guys to read, so who knows.
ADK is really towny but gee, that's not exactly helpful.
We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.
Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.
Convinced about how awesomely town I am?
I have no defense.
.. because I don't know why you are suspecting me. Can someone help me?
You said something scummy that one time.
I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum in e or WW. but e's wagon got high really quickly. I think thats something more likely to happen as town. I'm going to go to
Vote: WW
Also its pretty much time for WW to be scum again i think.
I realize its not a very good case but with day 1 there isn't a whole lot to go off of. I'm going with the thought that scum is going to try extremely hard to not get shot day 1. So i really don't think if e was scum his wagon would have gotten that close. that makes me think hes towny. I guess its not even between you or e any more. I'm fairly sure that e is town and I think you are scum.
The biggest thing here is I don't have an amazing case for why you are scum... I just have a feeling.
guys, let us kill EgorK. there is no good case in this game. it has never been a better time to lynch a lurker. (I know this is also my least active game so far, but I really didn't know what to post)
I don't like the e case. I'm not sold on WW, but he's probably above readable for me, so I don't really know. And Eevee, I'm not sure. That wouldn't be terrible.
but let's do EgorK. A total of 5 posts, and about half of them about how we should kill Axxle.
vote: EgorK
I realize its not a very good case but with day 1 there isn't a whole lot to go off of. I'm going with the thought that scum is going to try extremely hard to not get shot day 1. So i really don't think if e was scum his wagon would have gotten that close. that makes me think hes towny. I guess its not even between you or e any more. I'm fairly sure that e is town and I think you are scum.
The biggest thing here is I don't have an amazing case for why you are scum... I just have a feeling.
No adressing the Eevee wagon at all. Or the e wagon for that matter. Yeah.
We should not be lynching e. Nothing has been happening in the past few days, and I doubt scm would just let their partner go down that easily.
Eevee maybe, but I'm much more convinced about WW.
Convinced about how awesomely town I am?
You'll be happy to learn that I now, thanks to this reread, have a pretty solid town read on you.
I realize its not a very good case but with day 1 there isn't a whole lot to go off of. I'm going with the thought that scum is going to try extremely hard to not get shot day 1. So i really don't think if e was scum his wagon would have gotten that close. that makes me think hes towny. I guess its not even between you or e any more. I'm fairly sure that e is town and I think you are scum.
The biggest thing here is I don't have an amazing case for why you are scum... I just have a feeling.
No adressing the Eevee wagon at all. Or the e wagon for that matter. Yeah.
I think I was addressing the e wagon in that quote?
yea. BAM. *SCREAAM*. someone is about to die. although I have no idea how you can die by shooting. maybe the gun... explodes? BOOM.
PEE: oh. okay. nice!
For the record, I found him townie for the content of the posts, not the fact that he made them. Why? That I dont remember.I like XP a bit more as town for his catchup posts, fyi. He can switch with Hydrad in the later pile.
I find this very townie.
Here's why : Axxle entered the game with catch-up posts of his own, in a slightly different format but still similar in nature to what XP did. I think it is a town trait to find people townie for doing the same thing as you.
For the record, I found him townie for the content of the posts, not the fact that he made them. Why? That I dont remember.I like XP a bit more as town for his catchup posts, fyi. He can switch with Hydrad in the later pile.
I find this very townie.
Here's why : Axxle entered the game with catch-up posts of his own, in a slightly different format but still similar in nature to what XP did. I think it is a town trait to find people townie for doing the same thing as you.
Well. After all this, I'm going to vote : sudgy
Here's my problem : e looks like a partner because Eevee's push on him looks like a bus, but e's reaction to that does not looks like he is Eevee's partner at all.
Hydrad looks mildly scummy based on diverting from Eevee at an important moment, but we've mislynched him for that before, and he seems otherwise townie.
silverspawn I could lynch, interactions are pretty damning, but I really do put weight in his post-flip PPE here.
WW is town, so that leave me with the lurkers and the guy I can't ever read.
Actually if e is not Eevee's partner, Axxle might be. Eevee talks a lot about Axxle in his posts, and I think Eevee likes to have lots of interactions with his partners.
Yeah I changed my mind (again !) : vote : Axxle
In this case, yes.
yeah. I just got back from work, will start rereading and put some thoughts down. We need to shoot by tomorrow, right?
Yay, people are talking. Keep doing that.
Town read on teproc for starting up conversation, scum points for silverspawn for focusing in on the lurkers so much when he says he has other strong reads, town points for EgorK for coming back and posting a few more times, scum points for EgorK for promptly leaving again (it looks like he feels he needs to post but doesn't actually want to), town points for silverspawn for that weird ww reread, more town points for teproc for strong pro-town content, scum points for silverspawn for a really bad case on sudgy, scum points for sudgy for not posting at all, and finally scum points for ww for not actually giving much content, though plenty of posts.
Day2 reread done!
As you can see it wasn't a go-through-everyone post like silverspawn did - I just went backward and noted everything that stood out to me. I can do a reread of you if you want that, though, I think you're somewhat scummy, so maybe it'll help you.
did I say I have other strong reads? I don't remember. Except hydrad. but that's because I'm a specialist.
did I say I have other strong reads? I don't remember. Except hydrad. but that's because I'm a specialist.
a specialist? what do you mean by that?
I still like WW the most out of these options. I don't really have a read on eevee though. Most games he seems really null for me.
wait does mafia have daychat then if there are no nights? I don't see any mention of this in the first few posts.Is this town!Hydrad who hasn't paid attention, or scum!Hydrad who is trying to manipulate town? Right now I lean manipulative scum, but I just haven't ever seen Hydrad use that kind of manipulation before.
did I say I have other strong reads? I don't remember. Except hydrad. but that's because I'm a specialist.
a specialist? what do you mean by that?
it means that I thought it'd be fun to focus on one player and really analyze his playstyle, and I chose you. so I'm now the best player to ask for your alignment in every game. hehehe. and whenever you're scum, I will know. I WILL KNOW.
I'm not really certain for this game, but I'll get there. Right now, I think you're town, despite the not so great wagon history.
Why am I finding it so hard to get into this game. Could someone summarize any main cases other than me right now?
Why am I finding it so hard to get into this game. Could someone summarize any main cases other than me right now?
How about you propose who you think is scum?
What we should do:
1) shoot sudgy
2) shoot WW or XP
3) shoot Hydrad if (2) produces scum
4) win
Why am I finding it so hard to get into this game. Could someone summarize any main cases other than me right now?
How about you propose who you think is scum?
Because I don't know.
Mh. Don't you know scum!sudgy would start doing something at this point? We're like, yea we should lynch him, and he's still like, meeeeeeeeeh I don't want to doooooooo anything.
although, it would suck if we stop killing him because he continues lurking if he really is scum. So, I'll leave my vote where it is for now.
Let us be doing the going.
The voting thing worked yesterday so I'm willing to go along with it, but I do like WW better than Sudgy. Therefore, vote: Witherweaver
I'm tired of trying to read and not make progress so I'm willing to shoot our resident dango. Other candidates include Teproc who was a bit quick to abandon the eevee wagon when things got closeLet us be doing the going.
you just changed my life forever. what a profound statement.
But really, what does this mean?
I have an hour or so before I have to shoot. I'm thinking it's going to be WW, there isn't any significant wagons and enough people have said they're okay with his lynch that I don't think that I'm "going against the will of the town" or anything. Someone want to change my mind?
I'm townzorz.
well, I think you could have defended yourself better, but at least it's not terrible. one scum dead, one town dead, that's okay.
so, are you gonna do this the democratic way, or are you just going to shoot whoever you want?
well, I think you could have defended yourself better, but at least it's not terrible. one scum dead, one town dead, that's okay.
so, are you gonna do this the democratic way, or are you just going to shoot whoever you want?
Scum needs to defend themselves; town doesn't. And, you'll just have to wait and see <maniacal laughter>.
well, I think you could have defended yourself better, but at least it's not terrible. one scum dead, one town dead, that's okay.
so, are you gonna do this the democratic way, or are you just going to shoot whoever you want?
Scum needs to defend themselves; town doesn't. And, you'll just have to wait and see <maniacal laughter>.
isn't this anti town? being shot is still one dead town, even if you are town. ADK is dead. that's bad. You should have defended yourself.
well, I think you could have defended yourself better, but at least it's not terrible. one scum dead, one town dead, that's okay.
so, are you gonna do this the democratic way, or are you just going to shoot whoever you want?
Scum needs to defend themselves; town doesn't. And, you'll just have to wait and see <maniacal laughter>.
isn't this anti town? being shot is still one dead town, even if you are town. ADK is dead. that's bad. You should have defended yourself.
Or ADK could have simply read me and concluded I wasn't scum.
I think the e case is pretty ridiculous. If you want to start looking for scum, I'd start with the wagon.
*coughwhiteknightcough*
You know what ? I still think e could be scum, but I'd be stunned if you're not. This is not how you play as town.
vote : WW
well I'm not really getting anywhere.
but even from a prospect of self-preservation, being shot is not good. it means you're likely the next one to die.
I'm townzorz.
Did adk ever indicate he might go rogue like that? It might explain sudgys apathy.Nooooooo, I alt slipped!!!! This was me, btw.
And I'm only slightly more likely to die than not, even if I shoot randomly. Or it could be that my reads improve my odds.
QuoteAnd I'm only slightly more likely to die than not, even if I shoot randomly. Or it could be that my reads improve my odds.
sure, but 35% or so is much more likely than 0%, which is what you would have if you hadn't been shot.
QuoteAnd I'm only slightly more likely to die than not, even if I shoot randomly. Or it could be that my reads improve my odds.
sure, but 35% or so is much more likely than 0%, which is what you would have if you hadn't been shot.
You're right; I should not have done a lot of crazy and uncharacteristic stuff and self-voted
QuoteAnd I'm only slightly more likely to die than not, even if I shoot randomly. Or it could be that my reads improve my odds.
sure, but 35% or so is much more likely than 0%, which is what you would have if you hadn't been shot.
You're right; I should not have done a lot of crazy and uncharacteristic stuff and self-voted
exactly
"WW may be scum, but if not it's okay because he would be the Notebearer. I mean that point is kind of overstated, but I'm going to state it again here for..... uh, reasons."when evaluating a situation, it is wise to consider all facts that influence the situation, so that's what I did. I said, "I think you could be scum, and you would be a good notebearer, and because of that I think you are a good target to shoot." These were the relevant facts for ADK's answer, so I listed them.
"Oh well, WW was town. That's not terrible. But you should have defended yourself"This was a 2parter. the first part was an evaluation of our current situation in the game. was that necessary? no. did it hurt? no. do people do it a lot? yes. is it a big deal? no. the second part was criticizing your play, which I don't think was very good. was that necessary? no. do I regret it? No, I should be allowed to criticize your play if I want to, even if you're the IC. the way you play is relevant for the game.
"ADK is dead. That's bad. You should have defended yourself"and this one was not an evaluation of the game as a whole, the "bad" was just relative to the outcome that might have happened if you had defended yourself better, which would be, he is alive. Him being dead is bad compared to him being alive, because, he is town, and dead towns is not good. The reason I said this was because you were treating it as though nothing bad happened, since you're still alive. Here:
Scum needs to defend themselves; town doesn't.
I find this entire notion of you speaking of my need to "defend" questionable.I thought we don't talk about this anymore?
QuoteI find this entire notion of you speaking of my need to "defend" questionable.I thought we don't talk about this anymore?
you have been mislynched, so someone must have missplayed. it's probably either ADK or you, I think it's you.
if you think saying this makes me scummy, you are free to kill yourself and give me the gun
More accurately, misvigged.yes. very helpful to point that out.
Misplayed, how?
QuoteMore accurately, misvigged.yes. very helpful to point that out.
QuoteMore accurately, misvigged.yes. very helpful to point that out.
They are quite obviously different.
QuoteMisplayed, how?
- I already answered this
- We both agreed on not discussing this any further
- I already answered this
- why are you asking this?
you are pulling three things out of context, even though each one of them was perfectly okay in its context.
]I mean, if you were confident that WW was town, why didn't you defend him more?I wasn't confident that he was town. How did you get this idea? I said he should have defended himself more, that is completely independent from my reads on him. I thought he was pretty scummy (which I have said before).
]And by that I mean "quotes without giving the hyperlink."This is a very unlclean way of arguing that I'm surprised to see from you. There are arguments to be made for why I should include the hyperlink, and it's okay that you would ask me to do that. But pretending like that's the same thing as falsifying the meaning of a message by pulling it out of context is pretty... uh... stupid? I mean, it's not even related. Including the hyperlink and altering the intention behind a quote are two different things. Unrelated. You can pull something completely out of context and provide the hyperlink, and you can take a line that works perfectly on its own and don't change the intended message in any way and don't provide the hyperlink. Again, unrelated things. One is about formal convenience, and the other one about content. Unrelated. I hope I said it enough times now, as people tend to ignore points which I don't empathize enough. So, please don't pretend like one is the other.
"WW may be scum, but if not it's okay because he would be the Notebearer. I mean that point is kind of overstated, but I'm going to state it again here for..... uh, reasons."
"Oh well, WW was town. That's not terrible. But you should have defended yourself"
"ADK is dead. That's bad. You should have defended yourself"
You've never answered what I was supposed to be defending myself from. There wasn't anything.yes sir IC sir I'll go into more detail about the question which is inherently distracting and scummy to answer.
For WW it is mostly his jokey posts and generally carefree attitude that I have noticed this game that seems to be different than other games. This is either the freedom of being town in a game that even if you are lynched you still live and get to do the most fun thing in the game (shoot people) or scum from a fresh perspective that we really haven't seen from WW before.
This discussion is going nowhere and has no purpose. Which is part of why silver is scummy today, good way to be active without saying anything relevant.
In general I think the WW wagon is scummy.
You've never answered what I was supposed to be defending myself from. There wasn't anything.yes sir IC sir I'll go into more detail about the question which is inherently distracting and scummy to answer.
"what you were supposed to be defending yourself from" is the same as "what you were accused of" which is what kind of case there was against you. you're not the first one who pretends like there wasn't really a case against him. Is this a thing people do? Anyway, there was a case against you. If someone gets lynched, there is usually a case against him. Like, based on my 5 game experience. Even e agrees:For WW it is mostly his jokey posts and generally carefree attitude that I have noticed this game that seems to be different than other games. This is either the freedom of being town in a game that even if you are lynched you still live and get to do the most fun thing in the game (shoot people) or scum from a fresh perspective that we really haven't seen from WW before.
In short, you play different. Which is a big deal. Also the self-vote, you shrug it off as a minority, but for some people self-vote it is clearly not, and ADK seems to be one of them based on his reaction.
But even if you think the case is ridiculous and stupid, that's not a reason not to defend yourself. You are supposed to fight your lynch. If not writing an elaborate defense was your method of defending, which is fine I guess as writing long defenses can get people in trouble, then you could say that. But you aren't. You're just like, "town doesn't need to defend themselves," or "there was nothing wrong with my play." You don't even have a consistent opinion here. I don't really know what you're doing, but I hope you have a plan.
This discussion is going nowhere and has no purpose. Which is part of why silver is scummy today, good way to be active without saying anything relevant.
In general I think the WW wagon is scummy.
Was there any wagon of importance?
What's the case on me? You seems to just repeating over and over that you want to shoot me.
What's the case on me? You seems to just repeating over and over that you want to shoot me.
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
I didn't say you agree with it. Though you should. Everyone should. I'm so obviously in the right that everyone who doesn't gets scum points.
you can shoot me if you want, then you're largely responsible for the deaths of two towns, and make a valid effort for the LVP award.
And why do you keep saying that?Saying what? I can't believe that you're still trying to force me into having conversation with you, but happy your way.
you can shoot me if you want, then you're largely responsible for the deaths of two towns, and make a valid effort for the LVP award.
So yes?
And why do you keep saying that?Saying what? I can't believe that you're still trying to force me into having conversation with you, but happy your way.
QuoteI find this entire notion of you speaking of my need to "defend" questionable.I thought we don't talk about this anymore?
you have been mislynched, so someone must have missplayed. it's probably either ADK or you, I think it's you.
if you think saying this makes me scummy, you are free to kill yourself and give me the gun
also I really do think that the gunbearer should at least have doublevoting privledges. as your the only one we know is town
also I really do think that the gunbearer should at least have doublevoting privledges. as your the only one we know is town
Well, notebearer can shoot whoever he likes even if he said he would follow town, so point is moot
Still can't contribute much, but silver and WW really need to let this go, we are spending way too much time discussing things that are completely irrelevant.
Right now the only person I definitely wouldn't shoot is Hydrad. Where is Axxle, is he V/LA ?
Ok. We need to do stuff. So everyone post, ok?
WW, when are you going to shoot?
Ok. We need to do stuff. So everyone post, ok?
WW, when are you going to shoot?
I think WW set no deadline if I remember correctly.
Can we prod: Witherweaver, Teproc, silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, sudgy, Axxle2, and EgorK
Can we prod: Witherweaver, Teproc, silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, sudgy, Axxle2, and EgorK
you don't need to prod me, I am here. But nothing is happening, and I don't think it's my job to make something happen.
and I think town!silver would be aware of how ridiculously counterproductive this whole discussion has been and stop it much earlier.
I also think WW is wrong in continuing to participate, but he's an IC so that's just him being wrong.
Seriously, what good did you expect would come of trying to assign blame to an IC for being lynched ? That's a discussion that has no bearing on this game any way it goes, and it ended up taking over the day.
I also think WW is wrong in continuing to participate, but he's an IC so that's just him being wrong.
Seriously, what good did you expect would come of trying to assign blame to an IC for being lynched ? That's a discussion that has no bearing on this game any way it goes, and it ended up taking over the day.
It was just a comment. It would not have been more than a one-liner, if WW hadn't kept asking me about it.
That's not an answer, but I already answered it, and this is the more important part.
And now you can join us in shooting Axxle2!
I'm going to act as if we werlynching because that's the only way we get people to actually express hard opinions. I don't remember if WW said he would follow a voting system, but even if he didn't we should act as if this was a normal lynch, then WW can decide whatever.
I'm not going to set a deadline. We should all be voting as if it were normal Mafia.
I'm going to act as if we werlynching because that's the only way we get people to actually express hard opinions. I don't remember if WW said he would follow a voting system, but even if he didn't we should act as if this was a normal lynch, then WW can decide whatever.This seems right, so vote: sudgy If someone better comes up, I'll swap, though.
Hydrad says the shot today is between xp and sudgy. How about we change that to between Hydrad and Axxle2? I don't know, but I am feeling adventurous today.
sudgy, are we reading the same game ? Regardless of your read on him, I'm pretty sure no one has been pushing Hydrad since early day 2.
This kind of disconnect makes me fear the sudgy lynch quite a bit.
I didn't plan to become angry in advance :)
If it was something that I could just do, then I'd agree, but what happened was that WW drove this argument, and I just responded for the most part. I can't plan for that in advance.
If it was something that I could just do, then I'd agree, but what happened was that WW drove this argument, and I just responded for the most part. I can't plan for that in advance.
Stop misappropriating. What happened was you said something silly, and I explained why it was so, and you refused to stop trolling.
If it was something that I could just do, then I'd agree, but what happened was that WW drove this argument, and I just responded for the most part. I can't plan for that in advance.
Stop misappropriating. What happened was you said something silly, and I explained why it was so, and you refused to stop trolling.
what happened was I said something true that you couldn't take because it went against your ego, you kept pushing me, and I refused to give in because I knew I was right. And now you're pushing it again.
I was actually hoping you had some ulterior motive, but evidently not.
I was actually hoping you had some ulterior motive, but evidently not.
Well if he's scum the ulterior motive is distracting everyone. Not sure why you're restarting it though, it's obviously counterproductive.
Axxle has been on and hasn't posted here. He's even be prodded. Why aren't you saying anything Axxle ?
Have you met scum!ash ? That's one of his big things as scum.
Or just look at this day. Is it not clear how good for scum your whole fight with WW has been ? It's something that is basically meaningless and it has completely dominated the day to the point that basically noting has happened. Nothing happening is great for scum.
I mean, from your perspective, there are only 2 possibilities.
1) I'm town. Then the discussion was bad, but it's not my fault
2) I'm scum. Then the discussion was good, because a lot of people think I'm scum now.
1) How is it not your fault ? It's both your and WW's fault.because a) WW is the IC and b) he was pushing the case. Why should I question what an IC does. I would expect people to follow me if I do something as an IC, even if they don't think it's a good idea.
2) I don't see a wagon on you.no? I thought there was one. At least a bunch of people have said they find me scummy for this discussion.
Prods sent.i feel so violated
Prods sent.i feel so violated
Prods sent.i feel so violated
That's the extent of what you're willing to contribute to this game huh ?
Vote Count 3.1
Axxle2 (2): 2.71828, Teproc
XerxesPraelor (1): Hydrad
sudgy (2): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor
Not Voting (4): Axxle2, sudgy, EgorK, Witherweaver
Day 3 ends at 2pm FT on November 9th.
you were already voting. so no, itdoesn'tisn't. try again
I was all pro Axxle lyncg D1 when he was active because integral part of lynching him was the fact he would be good notebearer if he flips town. Now I am not that convinced in this notion
For simplicity, you should be figuring who off the Eevee wagon is the best lynch. That should have happened yesterday, too, I would say.
The glorious return of Axxle2!Your friendly neighborhood eevee doing what he does as town or scum.
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.Eevee commenting (in a somewhat negative way with slight "i think you are scum" setup sort of way) on Axxle2's opening posts that were massive quote blocks with jokes and reads and stuff.
As I said, Axxle also seems to be trying too hard for my likening, but I've always found him one of the hardest guys to read, so who knows.Again, non-committal sort of "I think you are scum" type of post.
Axxle2 replying with humor to eevee's mild attack on him.I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.:-[
Don't confuse Axxle2 with Axxle though. Axxle2 plays like an Olympic racing shoe: fast and loose.
Eevee makes the "shoot after" list. But Axxle2 also has WW on the "don't shoot" list, which was correct.so, shouldn't we do something to get this game going, in, like, a meaningful way?Shoot:
I think... uh... I am really towny? that's my only read so far.
XP
e
sudgy
EgorK
Shoot after:
Teproc
Hydrad
Eevee
Don't shoot:
Witherweaver
silverspawn
Attacks eevee's case against me. Even though I was higher on his list of targets. So defending someone he views as scummy (or at least slightly scummy) against a case that he doesn't like.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.Mmmm, not really. He's the biggest wagon and now that people have put out cases and now he can respond to them. I mean I guess he could be searching for scum but that's just a bit more antitown than scummy.
Again, attacking eevee's case against me.If he had like one vote for him that's overdefensive. But he's almost lynched.What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
I think overdefending is a valid scumtell. I haven't seen e do it too much, I'll have to re-look at things.Doesn't specifically mention eevee, just his argument against me. He is on team-eevee here.
I could probably go for WW or Eevee. I can see the cases in both of them, but I'm not too excited about it. I don't really see e. If I have time, I will reread and such."not really excited" about the case on eevee. Supports overdefending as a valid scumtell, but seem doesn't think that I overdefended, as he doesn't see me as scum.
Also, I don't see why you guys say overdefending isn't a scumtell. I myself was caught by it once.
Because, I was at "shoot-1" which seems like it would be big enough to merit a comment.
When they aren't actual votes, it makes it less huge...Sudgy voting Axxle strikes me as odd..
That was an old vote, I thought of maybe switching to Eevee but I still wasn't too sure.
We should do some reads analysis in relation to Eevee. I would think scum would be perfectly fine bussing with four scum, so I actually think the people who were the strongest on his case are the ones who would be the most scummy. I don't think all scum did so, but I think at least one did.
I was all pro Axxle lyncg D1 when he was active because integral part of lynching him was the fact he would be good notebearer if he flips town. Now I am not that convinced in this notion
Not really a great reason to lynch somebody. Also realize, the new notebearer doesn't gain anything from the lynch (he already knew he was town), whereas everyone else gets a new piece of information.
I was all pro Axxle lyncg D1 when he was active because integral part of lynching him was the fact he would be good notebearer if he flips town. Now I am not that convinced in this notion
Not really a great reason to lynch somebody. Also realize, the new notebearer doesn't gain anything from the lynch (he already knew he was town), whereas everyone else gets a new piece of information.
As standalone reason - yes, of course. As collateral to decision - why not? Also I do not see how second sentence of your post is releveant to what I said
If people don't know what to do this game : reread whoever you're voting for and look for their interactions with Eevee. Come back with your results, discuss.
For simplicity, you should be figuring who off the Eevee wagon is the best lynch. That should have happened yesterday, too, I would say.
So tell me if I worng. We currently has like 3 cases (aside from Axxle):Mentions the case on eevee. Doesn't talk about it.
- e for hedging and overdefending
- eevee for jumping easy case and lurking
- WW case by Teproc
Had I missed anything?
Sup. Eevee reread is waranted, through it would not be that long it seems. I am more interested in rereading other people talking about eevee thoughSays a reread should happen. Doesn't do it.
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum thoughWait, I lied. He gets halfway through it. Calls me v eevee either bussing or town v scum.
And the technique. I just use the "goko username: eevee" which is why this is faster for me.Protip: Search for "Goko username: Eevee" (or whomever).
But I do not want to read just eevee, but talk about him as well
I still like WW the most out of these options. I don't really have a read on eevee though. Most games he seems really null for me.His only post with eevee pre-shooting.
actually the more I think about it the less I think WW is town.Has a very reasonable post about why WW is actually town, then keeps him in top 3 scum. Talks about what eevee and his partners should have done more than eevee himself.
why wouldn't eevee or scum members jump onto WW to try to save eevee? they should of been able to easily made WW the biggest wagon. eevee could of even done it out of "self preservation". Maybe they didn't because WW is also scum so they felt like they needed to jump on someone else? But then WW decided to get some town cred at the end of the day by staying on eevee?
hmm its not really adding up. It makes more sense to me if the scum team was a bunch of lurkers that wern't around for the last day or so and didn't have time to save eevee.
I still like XP more though. WW is probably in the top 3 I guess of scum.
I would defend myself, but I can't really see anything to defend about that e said...
I would defend myself, but I can't really see anything to defend about that e said...
yeah, I am actually starting to lean in a hydrad/EgorK direction.
you could do the xp/eevee interactions. That would help your case some.
When did I say I had a case on XP? I remember saying something about being able to vote for him maybe, but never that I had a case.
I don't trust e anymore,
A little back and forth conversation between eevee and xp. A policy vote for making an annoying argument? Does that exist? I guess so.Problem isn't defending. It's overreacting to suspicion.What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
But town should be defending themselves, and it's an argument you literally cannot argue against.
Wait, is Eevee really in this game? I'm pretty sure he hasn't ppostedxp forgets that eevee is in the game. Or does he "forget" that eevee is in the game.
I saw EgorK say he'll be VLA, but I don't know if Eevee has an excuse. I'd say getting the discussion going again is probably more important than whatever you'd gain by holding back.
I guess I'd rank ww/eevee as better "lynches" than eevee, but whatever.I looked for a clarification of the type but couldn't find one. I guess he meant ww/e as better "lynches" than eevee?
I'm going toxp voices that the decision is between ww, e, and eevee. But also having EgorK and Hydrad as scummy. But the three of us would be more useful notebearers apparently.
vote: ww
because e doesn't seem to be happening and I like the case on him better than the one on eevee.
I'm not willing to lynch anyone but them. Although EgorK and Hydrad look scummy to me, I think one of those three is better because if they flip town they'll be more useful for us.
best lynch ---->worst lynch
sudgy, xp, (egork, hydrad), Axxle2
When did I say I had a case on XP? I remember saying something about being able to vote for him maybe, but never that I had a case.
sorry, I confused you. I didn't mean that you have a case on xp, I meant that the case against you doesn't have much to it. And that you should do the xp/eevee reread to earn some town points. or scum points. or just points. up the post count and everything.
Wait, is Eevee really in this game? I'm pretty sure he hasn't pposted
I saw EgorK say he'll be VLA, but I don't know if Eevee has an excuse. I'd say getting the discussion going again is probably more important than whatever you'd gain by holding back.
e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Policy vote: Eevee
for making the most annoying argument in the world.
I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
I guess I'd rank ww/eevee as better "lynches" than eevee, but whatever.
I'm going to
vote: ww
because e doesn't seem to be happening and I like the case on him better than the one on eevee.
I'm not willing to lynch anyone but them. Although EgorK and Hydrad look scummy to me, I think one of those three is better because if they flip town they'll be more useful for us.
WW would die and we would get a new gunbearer picked by mafia, right. Not so terrible, but still.Yes. That is correct.
Nice. We are in a great position right now.
significant (people who seemed most likely to get shot) D1 wagons:
Eevee: silverspawn (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428481#msg428481), e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429094#msg429094), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429136#msg429136), Teproc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429489#msg429489), WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429507#msg429507), silverspawn (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg430114#msg430114), Teproc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg430131#msg430131), silverspawn (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg430189#msg430189).
Final votes (4): 2.71828....., Witherweaver, Teproc, Silverspawn
e: Teproc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428147#msg428147), WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428290#msg428290), Axxle2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428432#msg428432), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428528#msg428528), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428538#msg428538), Hydrad (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428594#msg428594), Eevee (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428694#msg428694), WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428897#msg428897) (S-1), eevee (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429071#msg429071) (revote)
Final votes (1): Eevee
WW: Teproc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428058#msg428058), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428109#msg428109), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428533#msg428533), Teproc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428641#msg428641), WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428643#msg428643)(self-vote), ADK (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428646#msg428646)(response to WW's self-vote), Hydrad (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429856#msg429856), XP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg430037#msg430037)
Final votes (2): Hydrad, XerxesPraelor
Never voting on these wagons: Sudgy, EgorK
Final votes off wagon (3): Sudgy, EgorK, Axxle2
Things to note:
- XP voted on each of these wagons. Several times for some of them. He is also the only person that left the eevee wagon without returning to it. I think this is actually somewhat scummy of him. Basically, dancing around the popular wagons, but when the final vote came in he was not on the scummy one. (that we know)
- WW voted on each of these wagons, including his own. I am still not sure what to make of the WW self-vote. Self-voting is anti-town, but it does not mean you are scum. WW knows this. He is also a good scum player. He put me at S-1, and put eevee at S-2 (even though he thought it was S-1 at the time). I am very wary of the jovial, joking WW, partly because I don't remember seeing it in previous games. Even his vote on eevee was tinged with this humor: "When in doubt, sheep the people that want to lynch you." Yeah, I don't like it. vote: WW
- silverspawn. The only person of the three major targets that he voted for was eevee. But he bounced around a bunch of other random votes in between. But always came back to eevee. He was clearly against (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428570#msg428570) voting for me (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg428718#msg428718), and put feelers out to see if anything would stick on Hydrad, EgorK, and Sudgy. He also says almost nothing about WW except that "he's probably above readable for me, so I don't really know. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11862.msg429960#msg429960)" If WW turns out to be scum as well, I think silverspawn is good target, but until then I think that his voting record against eevee is good enough to give me a town vibe on him for today.
- What do we do with the lurkers? Specifically sudgy and EgorK. I really didn't like sudgy's "I haven't seen anything big enough to comment on" at the end of D1. He has received a couple votes early on today, and I think we need to make sure that he has something to talk about, so I will join the vote: sudgy wagon. EgorK did up his activity yesterday, I just hope it continues today. He has never been one of the most active players, a lot of that probably having to do with time difference so I don't see anything particularly scummy about him, but I don't have any reason to believe he is town either.
Nice. 2 scum down, 2 to go. I don't know what to think about XP starting the Axxle2 wagon, but based on my analysis of Eevee/Axxle2, now combined with XP starting the Axxle2 wagon? I tend to think Axxle2 is town.
i'm in favor of keeping votes to keep people accountable.
yea but you're scum.
Does this remind anyone else of ash and pacovf last game?
I don't understand what's going on here. WHat has Axxle done to warrant all this "let Axxle decide" talk ?
I just realized that the terrible thing about this setup is that we can't just shoot lurkers for the hell of it, since if we shoot wrong they get the book. Wheeeeee...
Well, considering that ww will probably unvote, I'm going to stay on e until someone gives a town narrative that makes sense. Basically the one thing holding me back from voting ww is that he makes sense.
I still don't get your thought process, but it looks like I made a mistake there. That ferocity does look scummy though.
yea. BAM. *SCREAAM*. someone is about to die. although I have no idea how you can die by shooting. maybe the gun... explodes? BOOM.
PEE: oh. okay. nice!
This stuck out while I was skimming. There is very likely scum in sudgy/EgorK/e and I'd say Hydrad is probably the other scum purely from this? XP seems like the kind of scum that likes to hedge his bets by putting his partners in broad "I'd lynch them" groups without really pushing them. He barely even acknowledges sudgy, and although he does vote for him, he does it in a very easy way to easily get off the wagon.so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
This stuck out while I was skimming. There is very likely scum in sudgy/EgorK/e and I'd say Hydrad is probably the other scum purely from this? XP seems like the kind of scum that likes to hedge his bets by putting his partners in broad "I'd lynch them" groups without really pushing them. He barely even acknowledges sudgy, and although he does vote for him, he does it in a very easy way to easily get off the wagon.so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
Reading sudgy, his only interaction with XP is answering an early question, joining him on my wagon, and saying he doesn't know the case against him. He's had 4 votes, two of which were in the same post followed by an immediate unvote (to 'stop fighting'), a "let's shoot an annoying to read person or get a decent vigger" really early vote on me, and then the sheep vote on me. You could say it's a bit wifom but this doesn't have anything to do with the votes being me but rather the same person. It screams laid back scum.
Vote: sudgy
If you're that kind of scum, though, you don't list your partner first, even if the group is not ordered. Your thought is "don't want to draw attention to that guy, let's bury him in the middle".
If you're that kind of scum, though, you don't list your partner first, even if the group is not ordered. Your thought is "don't want to draw attention to that guy, let's bury him in the middle".
I'm not so sure. I'd probably list my partner first for that reason.
So... I'll reread days 2 and 3 later. Right now I'm thinking Axxle is where it's at. I don't want to shoot e or silver.
Let's get Axxle2 to start posting. vote: Axxle2
Vote Count 3.1
Axxle2 (2): 2.71828, Teproc
XerxesPraelor (1): Hydrad
sudgy (2): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor
Not Voting (4): Axxle2, sudgy, EgorK, Witherweaver
Day 3 ends at 2pm FT on November 9th.
good plan
vote: Axxle2
Vote: Axxle2
I was really freaked out about that being the hammer until I realized that if that was a derphammer, ww doesn't have to shoot.
sudgy's at the start because he copy and pasted silverspawn's list and moved some names around and sudgy was at the start. Putting him first doesn't really bury the idea of the name since silverspawn was the first one to bring up a list. I see your point if he had brought up the list in a vacuum though.This stuck out while I was skimming. There is very likely scum in sudgy/EgorK/e and I'd say Hydrad is probably the other scum purely from this? XP seems like the kind of scum that likes to hedge his bets by putting his partners in broad "I'd lynch them" groups without really pushing them. He barely even acknowledges sudgy, and although he does vote for him, he does it in a very easy way to easily get off the wagon.so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
Reading sudgy, his only interaction with XP is answering an early question, joining him on my wagon, and saying he doesn't know the case against him. He's had 4 votes, two of which were in the same post followed by an immediate unvote (to 'stop fighting'), a "let's shoot an annoying to read person or get a decent vigger" really early vote on me, and then the sheep vote on me. You could say it's a bit wifom but this doesn't have anything to do with the votes being me but rather the same person. It screams laid back scum.
Vote: sudgy
If you're that kind of scum, though, you don't list your partner first, even if the group is not ordered. Your thought is "don't want to draw attention to that guy, let's bury him in the middle".
This caused two immediate (the next two messages) votes for Axxle2:Mmm... probably? But only because the 'hammer' happened so quickly. There's no way for him to know that people would jump on so quickly unless one of them were also scum. Normally 'third on the wagon' is considered a little scummy.good plan
vote: Axxle2Vote: Axxle2
If Axxle2 got shot and flipped scum, we'd be giving XP all kinds of towncred here, right?
Why is Sudgy townie?
Why is Sudgy townie?
I feel like scum would of really tried to get a towny lynched and fought the sudgy lynch. But everyone seemed ok with sudgy and no one was really defending him at all. I feel like scum would of tried to put up some opposition or go on another wagon. But that didn't really happen. Almost everyone would vote for sudgy without much effort put into it.
Just feels weird.
Why is Sudgy townie?
I feel like scum would of really tried to get a towny lynched and fought the sudgy lynch. But everyone seemed ok with sudgy and no one was really defending him at all. I feel like scum would of tried to put up some opposition or go on another wagon. But that didn't really happen. Almost everyone would vote for sudgy without much effort put into it.
Just feels weird.
so now everyone is town, because no one really resisted the xp lynch (shot, whatever you want to call it)
sounds about right. Pack it up guys, we win!
so then which of the resistors do you think is scum?
Or better yet, what is your breakdown of resistors/non-resistors?
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though@Egork: Why did you rule out town v town here?
I'll take votes under consideration, but in the end I'll decide who I shoot, and "he's a lurker" is a pretty poor argument when everyone has been lurking.Most of his posts seem to be apologizing for not rereading. He's on the more scummy side of lurking imo.
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though@Egork: Why did you rule out town v town here?
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though@Egork: Why did you rule out town v town here?
eevee had already been shot.....
Oh, yeah. I thought he had posted that Day 1.So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though@Egork: Why did you rule out town v town here?
eevee had already been shot.....
I think Axxle is arguing that Egork slipped that he already knew Eevee's alignment, so he omitted the town v town narrative.
@Axxle : Sure, that's an argument, but that's not what silverspawn was saying. I think any vote at this point must be backed by an explanation of the interactions whoever you are voting for has with the two flipped scum we have.
So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though@Egork: Why did you rule out town v town here?
eevee had already been shot.....
I think Axxle is arguing that Egork slipped that he already knew Eevee's alignment, so he omitted the town v town narrative.
@Axxle : Sure, that's an argument, but that's not what silverspawn was saying. I think any vote at this point must be backed by an explanation of the interactions whoever you are voting for has with the two flipped scum we have.
Being considered town is also not enough. it's a townie's first priority but it's definitely not enough, and you should never be lurking to look townie, that's just completely countreproductive.
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
I'm on silverspawn's side as far as ww goes. He really should have defended himself more. Still, the way he's acting in general feels not quite right.
What's the case on me? You seems to just repeating over and over that you want to shoot me.
Silverspawn is acting annoying, so I have to work hard to not have a scum read him - I'll reread him, I think.
Sudgy is also fine for me.
Silverspawn looks really scummy, so I'll reread him.
Axxle2 shot wouldn't be that bad.
I'm going to act as if we werlynching because that's the only way we get people to actually express hard opinions. I don't remember if WW said he would follow a voting system, but even if he didn't we should act as if this was a normal lynch, then WW can decide whatever.This seems right, so vote: sudgy If someone better comes up, I'll swap, though.
vote: e
Is that better?
Let's get Axxle2 to start posting. vote: Axxle2
I was really freaked out about that being the hammer until I realized that if that was a derphammer, ww doesn't have to shoot.
e, do you think ignoring your partner is a good scum strategy, or one you've seen people do ?
Town read on teproc for starting up conversation, scum points for silverspawn for focusing in on the lurkers so much when he says he has other strong reads, town points for EgorK for coming back and posting a few more times, scum points for EgorK for promptly leaving again (it looks like he feels he needs to post but doesn't actually want to), town points for silverspawn for that weird ww reread, more town points for teproc for strong pro-town content, scum points for silverspawn for a really bad case on sudgy, scum points for sudgy for not posting at all, and finally scum points for ww for not actually giving much content, though plenty of posts.
Day2 reread done!
Just curious. You seem to have left me out of the day2 reread. I don't really mind. But just thought that was interseting.
I get your point, but honestly, lurking on my part was a tactical decision. WW had said that he thought I was town based on our fight; if I don't post he'll keep thinking that way, and if I don't get shot, I have done enough, especially with a 2/1 lead.
I get your point, but honestly, lurking on my part was a tactical decision. WW had said that he thought I was town based on our fight; if I don't post he'll keep thinking that way, and if I don't get shot, I have done enough, especially with a 2/1 lead.
This is really interesting, and I think it makes me lean more to thinking that silverspawn is town. Trying out crazy tactical decisions for mafia games is something I have seen silverspawn do, and I don't remember him ever being scum when he does. This could be different, but right now I lean town!silverspawn
We should do some reads analysis in relation to Eevee. I would think scum would be perfectly fine bussing with four scum, so I actually think the people who were the strongest on his case are the ones who would be the most scummy. I don't think all scum did so, but I think at least one did.
so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
Town read on teproc for starting up conversation, scum points for silverspawn for focusing in on the lurkers so much when he says he has other strong reads, town points for EgorK for coming back and posting a few more times, scum points for EgorK for promptly leaving again (it looks like he feels he needs to post but doesn't actually want to), town points for silverspawn for that weird ww reread, more town points for teproc for strong pro-town content, scum points for silverspawn for a really bad case on sudgy, scum points for sudgy for not posting at all, and finally scum points for ww for not actually giving much content, though plenty of posts.
Day2 reread done!
Silverspawn is acting annoying, so I have to work hard to not have a scum read him - I'll reread him, I think.
Sudgy is also fine for me.
Post post post.
Silverspawn looks really scummy, so I'll reread him.
Axxle2 shot wouldn't be that bad.
so right now
sudgy > EgorK > Witherweaver > XP > Teproc > Axxle2 > e > Hydrad > me
For me, sudgy/EgorK/ww/e > Hydrad/silverspawn > Axxle2 >>> Teproc >> me
request prod on Axxle
yeah, I am just going to go with my gut and say that silverspawn and EgorK are the two remaining scum. I have done rereads, I have stayed current with the game, and really think this is where things stand.
Like Teproc said about sudgy, wouldn't scum!sudgy do something? Sometime? And my Hydrad reread made me think he was town. I guess I could use a silverspawn reread, but I like a EgorK shot today. I can reread silverspawn tomorrow.
Who was pushing me yesterday? Giving the book to Teproc who was already leaning towards shooting me most of all *and* pushing him to do so is probably a good place to start too.
also, why sudgy over EgorK (when it comes to lurkers)?
I really think that scum has one lurker and one poster left. Which means I think we will find one scum in {sudgy, EgorK} and one in {hydrad, silverspawn}. And I like shooting EgorK>sudgy and silverspawn>hydrad. As far as sudgy goes, who really knows, but I find it hard to believe scum would lurk so much. Well, except for the fact that we have talked about it quite a bit and scum have had a chance to discuss strategy together. Hydrad just reads plain honest town!hydrad, which PoEs me to silverspawn. Now, there is a chance that we could have two lurkers remaining as scum, but I don't think so.
Day 6 ends at 8pm FT on November 24th.
and I am not voting? my bad
1 - EgorK
2 - silverspawn
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d2 : 1, total 1
From what people have said about EgorK, I think I would be okay with his lynch/shot.
Either way I'm not sure If I like this style of voting. I think its a egork and silver/sudgy team so I'm not 100% this vote... but we should really kill egork.
From what people have said about EgorK, I think I would be okay with his lynch/shot.
Any argument that won't apply to you as well?
For the life of me I can't find a sudgy scum game :(
silverspawn woke up suddenly, and for some reason knew that today was going to be different...When the heck did I write this?
Well, if I want to tell this story properly, I probably should start from the beginning.
It was 5 pm on a Sunday. The cool evening breeze was flowing in through the open window. silverspawn immediately shut it. He hated the cold and anything to do with it, he just would not let it go. Jacking up the heater to make his room nice and toasty, he took out his trusty laptop and pulled up his usual websites. After scoffing for a while at some truly terrible threads, he finally felt the caress of sleep inviting him. As he lay down his head, however, he heard a tapping at the window.
"Strange," silverspawn thought. "I'm on the second floor, that shouldn't be possible. It must be the trees." Despite knowing there weren't any trees in the immediate area.
*taptaptap* he heard once more.
"Well, I better check it out. There's probably a bird out there that I need to chase away."
silverspawn open the blinds and saw... a boy. How strange. The sun's last rays disappeared as soon as the blinds were opened, but in that instant, silverspawn could have sworn that the boy was sparkling...
(passing out, tbc)
You've dug your own grave!For the life of me I can't find a sudgy scum game :(
LOTR Mafia and Shakespeare mafia.
Also I probably should retire from mafia again, haven't found the effort to put time into it anymore :(
Ya I think as long as I don't get shot town wins? So I wouldn't mind if we go rapid fire as this game has taken a while
Ya I think as long as I don't get shot town wins? So I wouldn't mind if we go rapid fire as this game has taken a while
well, if silverspawn isn't scum, and sudgy isn't scum, then you have to be scum.
a wise man once said sense comes through the legs.
a wise man once said sense comes through the legs.
and sudgy has no legs
I'd actually support this gamble and start rapid firing. If hydrad truly is scum, he deserves to win anyway.
I'd actually support this gamble and start rapid firing. If hydrad truly is scum, he deserves to win anyway.
and rapid fire is not a gamble, really. I mean, scum needs 3 misfires to win the game. Even if we somehow manage to miss scum twice, then we can go back an reread and figure stuff out. I am all about getting this game finished though
I'd actually support this gamble and start rapid firing. If hydrad truly is scum, he deserves to win anyway.
and rapid fire is not a gamble, really. I mean, scum needs 3 misfires to win the game. Even if we somehow manage to miss scum twice, then we can go back an reread and figure stuff out. I am all about getting this game finished though
you lose if we do this. as scum you are not supposed to agree on it.
So maybe we are right about sudgy being scum!
I... I don't wanna die
Suddenly I'm frightened for my life
Plan is to actually get a read on e. If I feel strongly he's scum I'll shoot him, but I really don't want to be wrong since I'm pretty sure silver is town.^
Oh, are we singing?
all the other kids with their pumped up kicks better run, better run, outrun my gun~
I think scum knows PoE will out them, so I don't think they would bring it up (but would gladly add more to a conversation about it to look towny).
I think Axxle2 is more town out of this.
From what people have said about EgorK, I think I would be okay with his lynch/shot.
No extension for nthanks taking?
Although I think it might be SS who is trying to set me up for a misshot? scum knows that they have to make me less of an IC so it almost feels like SS is making his move right now.
who will you shoot if you get the gun, hydrad?
who will you shoot if you get the gun, hydrad?
I feel like I shouldn't answer that because If i say whoever is town then scum might push towards shooting me. But if I say scum then they will try to shoot the other person.
And I also disagree that 43% is okay. Why would it be. A 7-2 setup has like >70% for scum with random lynches, and that's not very good. 10/3 has 80% (reference here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12044.0). So, I don't even think it is balanced.
well I've said this even during the game, and I agree with SP, though I'd add a few things.
One: rewarding you for being shot is a bad idea. Part of the motivation town has is that you want to keep playing, and being lynched sucks. Here, being shot is cool, because then you get a gun. You have less motivation, and don't want to invest as much in the game. Bad.
Two: A single IC is almost enough to break this setup. If you have as many IC's as scum remaining, you win 100%, but even if you have just one, it's a tremendous advantage. Of course you cannot create real IC's, but if one player makes himself obv!town, that's bigger than it has any right to be.
Three: mafia is so helpless in this setup. They can't do anything. Part of what makes playing as mafia cool is the fact that you can just be nice during the day ONLY TO KILL PEOPLE DURING THE NIGHT. that's satisfying. Here, you have none of that. Why do we even hunt mafia, they didn't do anything to us <.<
And I also disagree that 43% is okay. Why would it be. A 7-2 setup has like >70% for scum with random lynches, and that's not very good. 10/3 has 80% (reference here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12044.0). So, I don't even think it is balanced.
You guys all have valid arguments but I think the problem is you're comparing this setup to other normal setups and making a judgement based on that. Yes compared to other setups this is dull for lack of PRs and only one person ultimately determines who dies, but in a drunk mafia or blitz context like ash has pointed out, I think this could be pretty fun. I understand the argument that if town is shot they are "rewarded" but I don't see it like that. I see it as whoever misses scum gets punished (killed) so whoever holds the gun is under a lot of pressure to get it right. The only rewarding part about is being an IC, but you can still die if you miss.
Also everyone has complained that this game dragged on and on. If you look at how many posts are in this thread, we're only at page 40. I understand there's inherently less to talk about because of the setup, but almost without fail everyone waited until the day of the deadline to shoot. Often people would go 4 or 5 days without posting anything. Yes I didn't forsee the problem of 10 day days in the beginning of the game but deadlines are a loose suggestion and I think people should've been more trigger happy.
Yay we won !
My reads were pretty awful this game.
I agree that this would probably work better in Blitz, though I disagree that the problem is taht you are being rewarded for being shot. If you view being shot as being rewarded, I don't know what to say because that's obviously wrong : being shot as town is te same as mislynching so...
Yay we won !
My reads were pretty awful this game.
I agree that this would probably work better in Blitz, though I disagree that the problem is taht you are being rewarded for being shot. If you view being shot as being rewarded, I don't know what to say because that's obviously wrong : being shot as town is te same as mislynching so...
That's probably because this is the internet and it's very easy to misconstrue tone. I have no personal investment in this setup, I just happen to think this setup can be more fun in a blitz setup or if the players are more willing to trust their gut and shoot quicker and I hope it's run again.
Yay we won !
My reads were pretty awful this game.
I agree that this would probably work better in Blitz, though I disagree that the problem is taht you are being rewarded for being shot. If you view being shot as being rewarded, I don't know what to say because that's obviously wrong : being shot as town is te same as mislynching so...
Yay we won !
My reads were pretty awful this game.
I agree that this would probably work better in Blitz, though I disagree that the problem is taht you are being rewarded for being shot. If you view being shot as being rewarded, I don't know what to say because that's obviously wrong : being shot as town is te same as mislynching so...
Well it's not exactly the same, which is the point I kept arguing. Mislynching means L people need to vote for you. Getting shot means 1 guy has to choose to shoot you. Having L (or L-scum) people think you're scum is different than having one Vig-type think you're scum. It can be the same if the shooter chooses to follow votes, but they don't have to.
That's probably because this is the internet and it's very easy to misconstrue tone. I have no personal investment in this setup, I just happen to think this setup can be more fun in a blitz setup or if the players are more willing to trust their gut and shoot quicker and I hope it's run again.
There was definitely a feeling of "man I don't want to get this wrong!" when I got the gun. Before I got it, I had a more "I want to go on a killing spree!" attitude.
I meant that it's the same result for town, ie -1 townie, which is obviously bad.
Also being notebearer isn' all that fun since, as you pointed out, you have less info than anyone else. Its somewhat similar t being an IC (which I haven't been yet but I'm not particularly looking forward to it).
And yeah, reversing my read on you was good, except it was completely useless since you immediately got shot. I was on the Eevee lynch day 1, so at least that was decent.
I can't remember who did what. I can look over it tonight and choose someone if you'd like.
I guess sudgy would be MVP for ending the game.
Bee-tea-dubs, anyone want to run this setup as a blitz maybe next week?