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Title: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on September 26, 2014, 11:11:38 am
Fall is the time for America to premiere their new shows. I haven't watched Gotham yet, but it's on my list. I'm a little wary about it. The reason that Smallville did so well (at first) was because it was a story of a youth coming to terms with his new powers. Bruce Wayne has no such powers to cope with. I had heard that the show is really focused on Gordon, which may make it more interesting, but I don't know if it'll stand out from other cop shows…unless they take a Dick Tracy bent, which could be kind of awesome.

The shows I did see so far are Forever and Scorpion. Forever just bugged me. The very first scene annoyed me as they clearly were going with a Sherlock vibe with him approaching a random stranger and astounding her with his cold-reading techniques where he reveals parts of her personal life. Naturally, he continues to do this even though it's been overdone already. Furthermore, the show assumes some really dumb police if it's standard procedure to allow the medical examiner to examine the body of the person that he's accused of killing. Sure, Mr. ME, feel free to handle the only evidence we have to suspect you; I'm sure nothing bad can come from this. Granted, that kind of stupidity permeates all manner of crime shows, but then again there's a reason I generally don't watch those crime shows. I have a limited number of times I can suspend disbelief, and I have to reserve those for the shows I do watch, like Agents of SHIELD. I was amused that he figured out what the poison was by injecting himself with it, but he came to the correct conclusion awfully quickly. I'm sure there are plenty of poisons that can kill nearly instantaneously.

Scorpion is a bit more interesting. It falls into the socially-awkward-geek trope, much like Big Bang Theory. In fact, it's about four nerds who team up with a pretty girl who keeps them grounded in reality while not fully understanding any of the genius stuff they do. It's not as egregious as BBT, but naturally they had to make one of the geniuses cripplingly OCD. They also added an adorable child element, but at least it ties into the group fairly well. One interesting thing about the pilot is that it featured nary a single death or gunshot. I'm sure that'll change later on, but it was interesting to see a drama without a bad guy. They also played up the genius trope by having the psychologist figure out where the data center would store the server for a specific client based on a photograph of the manager but then taunt us by him identifying the correct server by reading the label (though he still relied on psychology to get to the right area).

I'll give Scorpion another try. I'm not sure about Forever. The pilot got a little bit more interesting at the end, but I don't know if I can endure another sociopathic genius, despite the Highlander similarities. I'm more lenient about Scorpion since they aren't quite so bad with the annoying genius angle, but that depends on the focus group. I can see the executives in season 2 saying, "You know what audiences love? An annoying genius who repeats a catch phrase!" This show has the potential of being interesting and an even greater potential of being monumentally stupid. I hope it reaches the first potential and not the second.

Nothing else recording right now. I forgot about the new shows until this week, so I already missed some. Not a whole lot sounds that interesting to me except for Gotham. I recorded the other two on a whim. Also, I have Google Fiber and can record a shitload of shows, so why not?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on September 28, 2014, 11:56:46 am
I watched the pilot of Gotham. It wasn't the greatest, but I'm hoping it'll get better once they don't have to force all the characters into one short episode. It definitely seems to focus on Gordon, but he was a likable character so that's fine by me.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on September 28, 2014, 03:47:02 pm
Yeah, Gotham wasn't great, but pilots are often rough, we'll know what kind of show it is after 3 episodes. I like the look of it a lot though.

I watched the pilot of Black-ish, it's pretty good. The voiceover got a little annoying, ut I hope it'll be less present in subsequent episodes.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Grujah on September 28, 2014, 04:01:33 pm
I might be a bit biased, but Gotham is horrible.


Constantine had some major flaws but was overall OK, and they are getting rid of the worst part of the pilot (the female support character) so it might get better.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on September 29, 2014, 10:56:42 pm
I wish they didn't go for shock value and cliffhangers as much, but the second episode of Gotham was certainly better, I'm starting to like this. Holy hell the actress playing Cat is amazing! Catwoman has been my least favorite character in all the franchises, but I'm absolutely loving her now.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on September 30, 2014, 01:23:09 pm
Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: enfynet on September 30, 2014, 02:26:23 pm
I like some of the season 1 bbt episodes. Recently it's become more pop culture jokes and less "nerd" jokes. The characters are getting annoying.

I am enjoying Parks & Recreation though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 30, 2014, 02:28:03 pm
Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.

Which is why I was a little leery about Scorpion. Any time a TV show is described as having a team of eccentric geniuses, I cringe a little, because I know that television writers are typically not geniuses. Maybe someone is, and he really loves writing, which would benefit the rest of us, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's some show where everything on the board is verified to be correct. I'm not sure if that's BBT or not.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 30, 2014, 02:28:56 pm
I watched the pilot of Gotham. It wasn't the greatest, but I'm hoping it'll get better once they don't have to force all the characters into one short episode. It definitely seems to focus on Gordon, but he was a likable character so that's fine by me.

Pacing was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast.   It should be a slow boil.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on September 30, 2014, 02:32:58 pm
Sorry this isn't adding to the conversation but BBT sucks.

Which is why I was a little leery about Scorpion. Any time a TV show is described as having a team of eccentric geniuses, I cringe a little, because I know that television writers are typically not geniuses. Maybe someone is, and he really loves writing, which would benefit the rest of us, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's some show where everything on the board is verified to be correct. I'm not sure if that's BBT or not.

I have a physicist friend who pointed out something wrong to me on BBT when they were trying to say something smart. But besides that, it's just not funny.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 30, 2014, 02:39:36 pm
Most of Big Bang Theory's "sciency" stuff is not quite right, or at least not appropriate to the level of the characters.  (Like, talking about basic high school/freshman Physics stuff as if it's a PhD thing.)  But, that's not really the point of the show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 30, 2014, 02:57:46 pm
I'm mostly looking forward to The Flash, and excited for a whole slew of returning series.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Dsell on September 30, 2014, 06:43:09 pm
Anyone seen stuff about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (http://www.nbc.com/unbreakable-kimmy-schmidt)? It's from Tina Fey and some of the other creators of 30 Rock, which is one of my all-time favorite comedies. I also love the lead actress (The Office), though I didn't care so much for other listed actor in Don't Mess With the B*.

Anyway it's not coming until midseason, but I'm pretty pumped.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 02, 2014, 05:27:52 pm
Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 02, 2014, 05:42:12 pm
Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

I watched the first two episodes. It did not annoy me. I may watch again.

I worried that it would be gross and/or raunchy for the sake of shocks, but some of those jokes work. But the cotton-candy puking scene really had to be cut down. Seriously guys.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on October 02, 2014, 05:47:41 pm
Fall is the time for America to premiere their new shows. I haven't watched Gotham yet, but it's on my list. I'm a little wary about it. The reason that Smallville did so well (at first) was because it was a story of a youth coming to terms with his new powers. Bruce Wayne has no such powers to cope with. I had heard that the show is really focused on Gordon, which may make it more interesting, but I don't know if it'll stand out from other cop shows…unless they take a Dick Tracy bent, which could be kind of awesome.

I'm really hoping it ends up feeling like Gotham Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_Central) one of my favourite DC series, about cops who work in Batman's shadow. It always felt really human, and just edged around living in a world where super heroes existed. If Batman doesn't exist yet though, I'm not sure how much they could incorporate from this series though.

Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

It's great! I love the details in the animation that are separate to the plot. The animators must have had a blast working on this show when they were given so much leeway to include their own visual gags in the show. (My favourite character is Mr. PeanutButter, voiced by the great voice actor Paul F. Tompkins.)

Anyone seen stuff about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (http://www.nbc.com/unbreakable-kimmy-schmidt)? It's from Tina Fey and some of the other creators of 30 Rock, which is one of my all-time favorite comedies. I also love the lead actress (The Office), though I didn't care so much for other listed actor in Don't Mess With the B*.

Anyway it's not coming until midseason, but I'm pretty pumped.
I hadn't heard about this, but I'm already excited!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on October 02, 2014, 05:49:07 pm
Has anyone seen Bojack Horseman? I thought it was very very good, Bojack himself and Vincent Adultman being the funniest characters.

I watched the first two episodes. It did not annoy me. I may watch again.

I worried that it would be gross and/or raunchy for the sake of shocks, but some of those jokes work. But the cotton-candy puking scene really had to be cut down. Seriously guys.

I tend to agree with this. I think the show took a few too many cues from Family Guy in how to execute it's jokes. It's better in later episodes (I felt anyways).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 03, 2014, 02:20:38 am
I checked out Gotham.  I'll keep watching, but the guy playing Jim Gordon is too young.  Also, there was once a time when I watched The O.C., which kind of puts his character in an odd light.  Nothing on his acting, he just doesn't look very different from when he played a moody, troubled teenager.

Similarly, that one kid from the most recent episode was recognizable from when he played various goofy characters on Disney Channel shows.  Also a little jarring, though his acting was fine too.

Anybody else ever find it odd to recognize characters playing roles that don't match their past work?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: dondon151 on October 03, 2014, 02:58:53 am
Ben McKenzie played one of the leads in Southland, which was really gritty and way more mature than The O.C.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 03, 2014, 03:00:36 am
Ben McKenzie played one of the leads in Southland, which was really gritty and way more mature than The O.C.

I never watched Southland though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 03, 2014, 10:00:08 am
I checked out Gotham.  I'll keep watching, but the guy playing Jim Gordon is too young.  Also, there was once a time when I watched The O.C., which kind of puts his character in an odd light.  Nothing on his acting, he just doesn't look very different from when he played a moody, troubled teenager.

Similarly, that one kid from the most recent episode was recognizable from when he played various goofy characters on Disney Channel shows.  Also a little jarring, though his acting was fine too.

Anybody else ever find it odd to recognize characters playing roles that don't match their past work?

I've never seen anyone on Gotham before except Alfred and Gordon's partner, so it's not really a problem for me.

But generally, I don't have a problem with this.  If the story is told well and the characters are engrossing, I'll get drawn in and ignore other things.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 03, 2014, 10:50:33 am
The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 03, 2014, 12:21:18 pm
The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Agreed.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 03, 2014, 12:49:31 pm
The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Maybe more the writing and direction than the casting. It seemed out of character when he called Bruce a stupid little boy.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 03, 2014, 03:24:46 pm
So I brought up American Horror Story in another thread and felt that deserves its own mention here. I'm looking forward to the new season.

I had a roller coaster of emotions about AHS between seasons 1 and 2. I watched season 1 up to the end, and I was disappointed. I felt that it was a horrible cliffhanger. Well, little did I know it wasn't a cliffhanger. It was the end of season 1, and season 2 was a brand new story.

I like this formula. Perhaps more shows should have gone with this format. How many shows get beaten into the ground because the writers are trying desperately to explain why the protagonist has this condition that wasn't revealed in the previous five seasons? Or they want to introduce another love interest (there was a Cracked article that points out that George Costanza bedded a significantly higher-than-average number of women despite him being the schlub of the group).

I feel that if Heroes adopted this formula, we might still be having episodes today. Granted, it already feels like the seasons are disjointed, but it'd be cool if they were separate on purpose.

Anyway, Freakshow next week, I do believe. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on October 03, 2014, 03:43:58 pm
So I brought up American Horror Story in another thread and felt that deserves its own mention here. I'm looking forward to the new season.

I had a roller coaster of emotions about AHS between seasons 1 and 2. I watched season 1 up to the end, and I was disappointed. I felt that it was a horrible cliffhanger. Well, little did I know it wasn't a cliffhanger. It was the end of season 1, and season 2 was a brand new story.

I like this formula. Perhaps more shows should have gone with this format. How many shows get beaten into the ground because the writers are trying desperately to explain why the protagonist has this condition that wasn't revealed in the previous five seasons? Or they want to introduce another love interest (there was a Cracked article that points out that George Costanza bedded a significantly higher-than-average number of women despite him being the schlub of the group).

I feel that if Heroes adopted this formula, we might still be having episodes today. Granted, it already feels like the seasons are disjointed, but it'd be cool if they were separate on purpose.

It certainly is a flaw in many successful shows that they end up wearing out their welcome. I've always thought people should just let shows end on high notes and bow out gracefully, but AHS's format of just rebooting the story every season is another nice way of handling it. (though it only works with certain stories)
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 03, 2014, 04:07:17 pm
I think that the writing could be well done if they know when the story will end. Babylon 5 had always been intended to be a 5-year arc. Unfortunately, that got screwed up when they learned they were going to be canceled after season 4 so they hurried up the plot only to learn there would be a season 5, so they stretched that for what they could (that is to say, awkwardly). I wonder how the show would have turned out if it fleshed out the entire story in 5 seasons as originally intended. The way the story ended in season 4 was still great, even though it was rushed.

I think Breaking Bad also had a 5-year arc planned? It certainly felt like it.

So knowing that you're essentially writing a 10-hour movie split across several episodes has got to be kind of exhilarating for some writers. Not being a writer of TV shows myself, I don't really know.

But admittedly, they can still end up shoving too much into AHS. You ever watch a regular-length movie and think, "That could have been compressed into a 30-minute episode of Twilight Zone"? I could imagine someone thinking that an AHS season could be compressed into a 2-hour movie.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 03, 2014, 04:10:30 pm
True Detective is also following an anthology framework.  Season 2 is in production now.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 03, 2014, 04:31:21 pm
I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 03, 2014, 05:06:00 pm
I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 03, 2014, 06:58:37 pm
I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
Fargo is elite. I'm probably in the minority with this, but I enjoyed it even more than True Detective.
Really glad both shows are coming back, of course.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 04, 2014, 05:08:05 am
I hated the AHS pilot (and thus stopped there), but I like the anthology model. True Detective is one, Fargo is another, they'll be doing a season 2, based on the Sioux Fall case that was mentioned a few times I think.

Ooh, I didn't know that about Fargo.. and I still haven't gotten around to watching all of the first season.
Fargo is elite. I'm probably in the minority with this, but I enjoyed it even more than True Detective.
Really glad both shows are coming back, of course.

I can't even fathom how one could enjoy True Detective (a decent but derivative show that was full of its own sense of importance) more than Fargo. I know many people do, but I just don't get it.

I'm being hyperbolic, people can like what they like, but I'm annoyed by people who name TD as one of the greatest shows of all time. It seems that a lot of people who have a certain contempt for TV gathered around True Detective to discover something that's existed ever since The Sopranos premiered.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 05, 2014, 06:58:55 pm
The Alfred casting on Gotham is god-awful.

Maybe more the writing and direction than the casting. It seemed out of character when he called Bruce a stupid little boy.

Now that I watched both episodes, I feel qualified to comment on this. I didn't think it was that bad. It does seem so out of character for the patient Alfred who assists Batman, but this is an Alfred who has pretty much had fatherhood thrust upon him. Up until now, Alfred has only been a servant. If Bruce is acting up, then he only needs to report the behavior to the parents who then enact some parenting. Now he has no one. So when Bruce acts up now, Alfred has to parent up, and that's difficult for one who's never parented before.

I suspect that they're playing him rough so that he can grow into the patient Alfred we all know. At least I hope so.

What is gripping me is the evolution of the Penguin. I'm really interested in that. He's not a character I really cared about before, so this interest is new to me, especially his doting mother.

One problem with this show is that some characters are pretty much invulnerable. Gordon, Cobblepot, Nygma, Selina, and Alfred all pretty much have to survive. So there's no tension with them. I don't know enough about Batman to assume the same for the other characters. Naturally, there need to be new villains and victims so that they could die off, though it's nice that the Dollmaker's thugs did not get killed.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pacovf on October 05, 2014, 07:16:27 pm
While I have very little time for series so I am not watching Gotham, I am surprised by the (apparent) omnipresence of known villains in the show. To the best of my knowledge, it is a recurring theme in the Batman universe that it is precisely the rise of Bruce Wayne as the Dark Knight which causes the appearance of the "costumed villains" in the city, with Gotham's crime before that being mainly of the usual mafia variety (cf. the Falcone). By showing all these people around while Bruce is but a kid, they are (or risk) sapping an interesting aspect of the character, IMHO.

Of course, since they are only interested in pre-Batman Gotham, I can understand them not really caring about an arguably minor point that won't ever affect the series, but it does make fitting it into the pre-existing narrative a bit more complicated.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 05, 2014, 08:45:57 pm
One problem with this show is that some characters are pretty much invulnerable. Gordon, Cobblepot, Nygma, Selina, and Alfred all pretty much have to survive. So there's no tension with them. I don't know enough about Batman to assume the same for the other characters. Naturally, there need to be new villains and victims so that they could die off, though it's nice that the Dollmaker's thugs did not get killed.

I don't think it's completely set in stone that these people can't die.  There's always the chance that there will be identity theft shenanigans.  Somebody dies, someone takes on the name to step in.  They could possibly also twist the mythology behind who becomes who, e.g. the girl who is implied to become Poison Ivy was given a name change from the comic book character (but maybe she won't actually be Poison Ivy).

While I have very little time for series so I am not watching Gotham, I am surprised by the (apparent) omnipresence of known villains in the show. To the best of my knowledge, it is a recurring theme in the Batman universe that it is precisely the rise of Bruce Wayne as the Dark Knight which causes the appearance of the "costumed villains" in the city, with Gotham's crime before that being mainly of the usual mafia variety (cf. the Falcone). By showing all these people around while Bruce is but a kid, they are (or risk) sapping an interesting aspect of the character, IMHO.

Of course, since they are only interested in pre-Batman Gotham, I can understand them not really caring about an arguably minor point that won't ever affect the series, but it does make fitting it into the pre-existing narrative a bit more complicated.

I think the idea is that these villains are not yet villains, or at least not costumed villains.  For example, Nygma (the Riddler) is a forensics guy with the GCPD, and Cobblepot (Penguin) is just a mafia henchman.  So they are exploring these people before Batman.

Granted, they may very well make them too much like their future selves for the sake of fan service.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 06, 2014, 10:59:39 pm
Such a dissappointing Gotham episode tonight, too many ridiculous things. Jim's partner is overacting like crazy, as is the lady playing Fish. Batista is a goofball, he doesn't fit for a mafia boss, and the relationship drama between Jim's wife and the female cop is just cringeworthy.

Penguin continues to be elite, though. He is carrying the show at this point.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 06, 2014, 11:57:05 pm
I like the kid playing Bruce.  The line about killing making the guy a criminal was excellent, and he seemed just like a boy should when playing at a swordfight.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2014, 09:58:04 am
I think it's okay, not good.  You just have to watch it and not expect greatness.  Kind of like The Strain, though Gotham isn't falling into as many pitfalls as The Strain is.  Either way, worth some entertainment when nothing else is on.  Gotham is a cool idea, and it may get better.

The problem is that the bar for TV shows has been raised very high by shows like Breaking Bad, True Detective, The Walking Dead, Hannibal, The Leftovers, Game of Thrones, Fargo, etc.  There's really nothing (save Hannibal) on regular network TV (like, NBC, ABC, FOX, whatever) that can compete.  The production quality is just not great.. acting is iffy.. I think scripts and stories are written to appeal to a wide audience that doesn't want to invest any time into a television show. 

Watching the pilot episode of Breaking Bad feels like you're really involved in something.  Watching the pilot of Gotham felt like.. "well, I can go cook some dinner while I'm watching this".  Nothing invested... no real risk of missing anything.

I felt similar when I watched the first episode of Gracepoint.  I found myself checking my phone, doing other stuff, not really getting engrossed in the television.  Compare to  The Killing (which has almost an identical premise), where I was immediately interested in what was happening and why, who these people were and what motivated them, etc.  I'm hoping Gracepoint picks up.

Speaking of television shows: It was announced yesterday that Twin Peaks is getting a revival in 2016 on Showtime. It will take place in current time (~25 years after the events of the original series.)  Twin Peaks was, I think, one of the best and most innovative television shows around. 

A link: http://qz.com/277156/how-and-why-showtime-resurrected-twin-peaks/. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2014, 10:44:07 am
Speaking of television shows: It was announced yesterday that Twin Peaks is getting a revival in 2016 on Showtime. It will take place in current time (~25 years after the events of the original series.)  Twin Peaks was, I think, one of the best and most innovative television shows around. 

A link: http://qz.com/277156/how-and-why-showtime-resurrected-twin-peaks/. 

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this. My initial reaction is to say to just let sleeping dogs lie. Sometimes a restart is just not a good idea. There were plenty of shows I enjoyed where a restart would feel awkward. In some instances, they tried it and then failed (see Babylon 5 and Crusade).

That being said, fast forwarding 25 years is the right choice, I think. If any of the actors can come back, then those characters could make reprisals, but I think that a fresh new cast would be in order. I hope they avoid the temptation to throw in too many descendants. "Oh gee, the sheriff's son is now of age, and he's just become a deputy."

Bringing back Agent Cooper could be interesting, though. He was left in conceptual limbo, so this could be a way to explain his 25-year absence. This might not be a bad thing (but it also be a terrible thing).

Watching the series over 20 years after it premiered reminded me of just how overrated Lynch has been as a director. He did great with this series (at first), but watching Fire Walk with Me was a bit of a disappointment.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2014, 10:50:20 am
Lynch is, like, my favorite director.  Have you watched his other stuff?

Plus, 25 years is the right choice: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m74xotr7Wj1rwnwnfo1_1280.jpg
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2014, 11:27:11 am
Lynch is, like, my favorite director.  Have you watched his other stuff?

Plus, 25 years is the right choice: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m74xotr7Wj1rwnwnfo1_1280.jpg

I've seen Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and Mulholland Drive. I actually got bored watching Lost Highway and did not continue it. I saw Elephant Man way back on HBO, but I was really much too young to fully grok what I was watching.

I do enjoy Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive. I see his vision, and it is pretty cool, but I still say he's overrated. I only recently watched Eraserhead, and I was extremely let down. Part of it may be because it's been elevated to such ridiculously lofty heights that it could not live up to the hype, but I found it pretty boring overall. The embryo scene was creepy; I do not dispute that, but the movie fell flat for me.

So Twin Peaks was a welcome change. It wasn't just Lynch masturbating with wild camera shots and surrealism (except toward the end). He told a story, which is what made Blue Velvet such a good movie, while still maintaining his weirdness (Log Lady, creepy shut-in that had Laura's diary, backwards dwarf).

I won't ever say the man isn't brilliant. He just marches to a very different drum, and that drum doesn't always produce good music.

And that was hard for me to say because I went through college singing his praise after seeing Blue Velvet. I was sold on this grand image of him that I talked up Eraserhead and Wild at Heart, despite not having actually seen them (and still haven't seen Wild at Heart to this day).

But to put that into context, I was a huge Tim Burton fan in college, and I find him to be very overrated nowadays.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2014, 11:45:11 am
"Overrated" seems like a weird word to me, though.  Lynch feels pretty underground.  If I ever meet someone and end up talking about some movies, most people haven't heard of him or have heard of what he's done but haven't really seen much, if anything.  I've never witnessed such a grand praise of his work that I could possibly consider him overrated.

I actually haven't seen Eraserhead.  Blue Velvet was great, maybe my favorite by him.  Mulholland Drive was.. well, singular.  Inland Empire was quite good as well. 

I don't know if his drum always produces "good music" or not, but I know it always produces something I want to hear.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2014, 12:25:58 pm
Getting away from television (but I'll gladly continue talking about Twin Peaks) and moving it to  http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11628.msg427170#msg427170 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11628.msg427170#msg427170).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 08, 2014, 10:24:09 pm
Watching American Horror Story.. all these new shows continue to have background music way way way WAY too loud.. it drowns out and distracts from dialogue.  I don't understand what's going on. 

Is there something wrong with my TV?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 09, 2014, 08:36:47 am
Watching American Horror Story.. all these new shows continue to have background music way way way WAY too loud.. it drowns out and distracts from dialogue.  I don't understand what's going on. 

Is there something wrong with my TV?

In general, I notice the music is louder than it should be. I find myself playing volume masher during many shows.

The music in AHS is unlike other shows, so in a sense, the music is one of the performers, as it is designed to put you on edge. The loudness did not bother me so much, since it was not your typical score. Still, I played volume masher during AHS too.

Speaking of which, I enjoyed Freakshow. It is has a contender for creepiest clown. The musical number was mesmerizing. Well done.

The thing that bothers me about AHS is that it exemplifies its own message. Who are the actors carrying the show? Not freaks. While there are freaks on the show, they are mostly window dressing with lines being spoken by only a couple of them. The stars are done up to look like freaks. Ironically, the pinhead got more screen time in Asylum than she did in Freakshow (but it's still early).

And it's hard to blame them. After all, acting is a talent, and not everyone has it. And real-life freaks probably did not attend acting workshops. They're accustomed to show business, but it's a different beast. I saw an interview with the guy with the short arms (not sure what that condition is called), and he was a fairly articulate guy who loves acting. Maybe some show/movie will cast him as an actor and not as a freak. I'm reminded of how Peter Dinklage's height was a big deal in Game of Thrones but never mentioned in X-Men: Days of Future Past.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 09, 2014, 08:43:21 am
Doing a separate Gotham post in case you watch this and not AHS and would have glossed over my AHS post.

I did see Balloonman. It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it too terrible. Fish is pretty much a caricature at this point, and I don't find that necessarily a bad thing. Gotham is not a show to be confused with all the other cop shows out there. And they're choosing to make themselves stand out by going to its comics roots. Fish is overdramatic and manipulative. The mob bosses are stereotypical mob bosses. The Balloonman's techniques are wildly impractical. The Dollmaker's minions were creepily pleasant. I said earlier that this show could benefit from a splash of Dick Tracy. This isn't close, but it does have a certain style. I'll still give it a shot.

I'm finding the Bruce Wayne plot a bit boring now. It was interesting to see the gears click in his head as he watches the news stories of an anonymous vigilante dispensing justice and to see how his own code against killing forms. But the rest of the story pales in comparison to Penguin's rise to power. Maybe that'll change. It just seems that the more they build up Bruce, the more it restricts his future growth (but then, he's the freakin' Batman, so what growth is needed here?).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 09, 2014, 09:25:06 am
I really wouldn't mind if Season 1 was all about Penguin's rise to power and Season 2 focused on another villain (Riddler) coming into fruition.  Season 3 or 4 could introduce Joker.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pacovf on October 09, 2014, 09:38:20 am
Hum, I can understand how Cobblepot's rise to power would be interesting by itself, because he is more of a crime lord than a super villain, so it would be interesting in the same way, say, Scarface is.

However, most other Batman villains would be pretty boring. Because they are not trying to "build" anything, they have no foil, no conflict in their genesis. What would you do, one full season dedicated to Gordon trying to catch the Riddler and failing? That could be interesting, but it would be really hard to do. Not that I would expect them to try something like that in their first season, while they are still trying to find their audience.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 09, 2014, 12:36:55 pm
They can let Gordon succeed (with great difficult), only to have the system fail immediately after, exemplifying Gotham's need for the Batman.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 09, 2014, 12:44:36 pm
Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 09, 2014, 01:40:59 pm
Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 09, 2014, 02:24:14 pm
Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.

Right.. and now they have to, in a convincing way, show these villains rise up, be a big problem, have some contention, and still stick around and be relevant for 15 or so years.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 09, 2014, 03:18:05 pm
Or Joker can be locked away at Arkham for a while, escape and be at large away, etc.  They are going to eventually going to have to contend with the fact that none of these villains are ever killed or truly defeated.

But hey, that's kinda true even with Batman around.

Right.. and now they have to, in a convincing way, show these villains rise up, be a big problem, have some contention, and still stick around and be relevant for 15 or so years.

Yeah, I think Penguin being relevant is enough here. There are plenty of opportunities for new villains to rise up and be beaten down.

My Wiki Fu shows that Dollmaker is a canonical villain, though apparently flexible enough that he could be made into a new villain.

It's probably best that they stay away from the main villains. Having them show up as cameos would be neat. Perhaps Clayface before he became Clayface. You could see how the actor turns to a life of crime, but don't actually make him Clayface. I'm not all that familiar with the other villains (but playing Arkham Asylum/City/Origin helps), but it seems a lot of them had normal identities beforehand, like Nygma. Show them without having them suit up.

But I think inventing villains would be useful here.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 09, 2014, 03:37:38 pm
Is Gotham supposed to be in the same universe as Arrow and Flash?  They are all DC properties, but Arrow already had the Dollmaker for an episode.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 13, 2014, 05:00:42 pm
Walking Dead for the win.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 14, 2014, 12:57:23 am
Gotham talk!

I think the show would work so much better if Bruce was a little older, maybe a teenager. As it is, it's just not at all believable they would include him in such gruesome things to this extent. There is no way any sane adult would treat him the way Jim and Alfred are treating him. At this point I think the show would be better without him in the picture at all. Maybe introduce him in the pilot and forget about him for a couple of seasons, or something. I get that they want to focus on his journey to become Batman, but they aren't doing a very good job of it.

I've really liked all the scenes with Edward Nygma. Just like with Penguin, they've managed to strike a great balance between cartoony and realistic there, which I think is the show's biggest hurdle right now. Jim's partner and especially Fish are just so far in the cartoony end it's really tough to watch. It's literally bad enough it makes me pause the episode to write about it here. I also hate every single scene with Jim's wife, but I guess that's the norm. Batista is still a terrible Maroni, I liked the other mafia characters though and Falconi is great. This new killer was a great actor, but you sort of wonder why a hitman who goes to such lengths to hide his identity would leave a signature on every single victim of his or why he would announce he is going to kill the target even after being caught by the police when they are pointing a freaking gun at him. He was described as very professional and not at all insane, so it's really just an example among many of the writers being either very lazy or not very good. The plot takes shortcuts like that all the time, and overexplains many things, but I'm glad they at least eased up on the cliffhangers  in this episode. I like the setting and the general feel, but man this would have the potential to be so much better. It's still probably my favorite show that's airing until Hannibal returns, but it feels like a guilty pleasure because it's so bad in so many ways. If the two current main characters (Oswald and Jim) weren't doing such a terrific acting job, I might honestly not even watch it. Oswald being behind the robbery was a twist I should have seen coming but didn't, so that was great. Him killing the lackeys with cake went too far for me, but I'll give it to them after they managed to surprise me. Who is the woman Fish hired at the end, is she from the comics?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 14, 2014, 01:26:52 am
On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.

I totally agree that the hitman's actions were inconsistent.  Is he from the comics?  A real pro wouldn't use such a distinctive weapon and surely would have been more discrete if launching an attack at gunpoint.  I just thought of The Last Airbender -- "sneak attacks don't work if you yell it out loud."  Oh, and he probably would have disposed of the body of the man he was impersonating rather than leaving it to rot in an apartment. 

I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.

Oswald setting up the robbery was so obvious. C'mon dude, how did you not see that coming? :P

Are you watching the other superhero films on TV?  Arrow and Flash?  Agents of SHIELD?  I'm liking all of these more than Gotham.  They all have a good tone that mixes some fun into the serious stuff.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 14, 2014, 02:00:00 am
On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.
I like the actor too. Parenting role or not, why would Jim discuss gang wars and mob bosses with a 10 year old?

I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.
This is something that bothers me often. I don't know why the people making these shows feel compelled to attach romantic subplots to shows and characters when it doesn't help the story. Is there an audience that likes them? Barbara's secret was very stupid too. They are engaged and living together but the fact that she was recently in a committed relationship with a woman never came up? What DO they talk about?

Oswald setting up the robbery was so obvious. C'mon dude, how did you not see that coming? :P

Are you watching the other superhero films on TV?  Arrow and Flash?  Agents of SHIELD?  I'm liking all of these more than Gotham.  They all have a good tone that mixes some fun into the serious stuff.
I know, I felt so stupid!  :-[ Not watching any of those three. I like the mob side of things in Gotham too, so I figured I could give either Sopranos or Ray Donovan a shot.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 14, 2014, 03:01:15 am
On the flip side, I'm actually liking young Bruce right now.  I don't think he can be a teenager because lots of fans would be angry about the retcon (right?).  I get the sense that Alfred is unhappy that Bruce is looking into these things, but isn't parent enough to deny the kid.  Jim isn't in a parenting role.  Bruce's actions still make sense to me, and I think the actor is doing a good job.
I like the actor too. Parenting role or not, why would Jim discuss gang wars and mob bosses with a 10 year old?

My understanding is that Bruce is going to find out about this stuff either way.  It's in the news, it's connected to his parents, and Bruce is curious and intelligent.  Might as well be frank with the kid and maybe learn a bit more about what his parents were doing with Arkham, as well as reassure him that the outcome wasn't all bad even though it wasn't what his parents envisioned.  The kid already knows first hand about violent crime in Gotham.

I don't know, I thought Jim's way of talking about the subject with a child was acceptable.  At the least, it didn't break my suspension of disbelief, whereas the hitman's shenanigans did just a little bit.



Agents of SHIELD is pretty slow to start, but it gets really good towards the end of the first season, when The Winter Soldier was released in theaters.

Arrow strikes a nice balance between gritty realism and campy superhero stuff, I think.  And Flash (after only one episode so far) should be jumping into the deep end as far as having actual super-powered characters, which is nice.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 15, 2014, 08:11:55 am
I really hope this week's Agents of SHIELD marks the beginning of the end of Fitz's aphasia. The gimmick of him being unable to complete his thoughts articulately may be dramatic (and for all I know, accurate, being that I don't know anyone with aphasia, but I'm sure it's not being that it's television we're talking about), but it halts the momentum of the show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 09:47:27 am

I don't really understand why Jim refuses to explain the situation to Barbara.  Doesn't everybody know that Gotham is totally corrupt?  "Cobblepot is the guy you met earlier.  I was ordered to kill him so I faked it, or else we all would have been in danger.  The idiot came back to Gotham and there's not much we can do about it.  I'm trying to change the GCPD and the city for the better, but it's difficult.  I need your support.  I trust you, and I need you to trust me when I tell you that you need to keep this secret."

I mean, they're engaged.  Confirming that, yes, Gotham is pretty messed up shouldn't be a big deal.  Barbara won't be in any more danger than she already is now, especially if she doesn't spread around the info.  Which, you know, she shouldn't, because it could get Jim killed.  She's an adult that should understand that much.  All the drama feels too artificial.  I don't really like it when people keep secrets for no compelling reason.  So am I missing something there?  This is more a problem with Jim's character than Barbara's, though she had her own secret that wasn't so compelling.
This is something that bothers me often. I don't know why the people making these shows feel compelled to attach romantic subplots to shows and characters when it doesn't help the story. Is there an audience that likes them? Barbara's secret was very stupid too. They are engaged and living together but the fact that she was recently in a committed relationship with a woman never came up? What DO they talk about?


And Barbara's acting is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.  I've been cringing.

Also, the story there is just being told terribly.  The part last episode where she "breaks up" with Gordon by giving him that ultimatum... no effect there, because you've never been invested in that relationship.  There was nothing to like there.. all you saw was her saying terrible cringy lines for four episodes, then she's like "stop hiding things from me or I leave".  There really wasn't an appropriate buildup to that moment.  I mean, they tried to make the buildup by introducing that police chick to tell her about Gordon's "evil deeds", but it all fell very flat.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 09:48:11 am
Oh yeah, and the lady that plays Fish sucks.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 11:17:41 am
Article about Gotham:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/10/07/gotham-is-the-worst-thing-to-happen-to-batman-since-joel-schumacher/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_287348

I don't think it's as bad as this guy makes it out to be, but some of the points are valid.

I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?  Each episode so far, Gordan and grumps chase down and kill (or arrest) some bad guy.  How much can you get invested in a drama if it's all nicely wrapped up in 40sih minutes broken up by a bunch of car commercials?  Conflicts shouldn't get resolved every week.  The pacing of this show just feels so rushed.

There are the longer character archs---penguin, gangsters, Bruce---but it just feels so hacked together.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 15, 2014, 11:20:18 am
I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 11:24:31 am
I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?

Does "network" mean ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on October 15, 2014, 12:13:35 pm
I really hope this week's Agents of SHIELD marks the beginning of the end of Fitz's aphasia. The gimmick of him being unable to complete his thoughts articulately may be dramatic (and for all I know, accurate, being that I don't know anyone with aphasia, but I'm sure it's not being that it's television we're talking about), but it halts the momentum of the show.

I'm looking forward to catching up, I've only seen the first two episodes and I've been wondering how they'll continue to handle 2nd season Fitz.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 15, 2014, 12:32:12 pm
I think the big thing is, what's with the "villain-of-the-week" episode style?

Welcome to network television ?

Does "network" mean ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX?

Technically I think the CW is also a network, but yes.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 01:16:19 pm
I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 15, 2014, 01:46:05 pm
I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic.
Even Hannibal suffered from the serial villain syndrome in the beginning, though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 01:49:40 pm
I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic.
Even Hannibal suffered from the serial villain syndrome in the beginning, though.

Yeah, but the serial villains were cool.  And some spanned multiple episodes (Eddie Izzard).  Though I actually missed some episodes of Season 1, so I don't have as great of a feel for how it felt week-by-week.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 15, 2014, 02:08:38 pm
I seem to be the only watching Hell on Wheels and Justified. Also, House of Cards should be coming back around sometime not to long off.

Walking Dead s05e01 did not disappoint. AHS:Freakshow seems like it will be worth watching, none of the runs has particularly grabbed me.

Finally, Grimm is set to start later this month coming off a pretty big cliffhanger from last season.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 02:12:54 pm
Walking Dead season 5 premiere goes down as one of my favorite season premieres ever.  I'm not even sure why.. I was super hyped for it, and after watching it there wasn't even a hint of disappointment or being let down.  Usually when you're looking forward to something so much, it's hard not to build it up beyond the point where it can deliver.  But it was just so satisfying and I can't wait to watch more.

There were some lines I really liked.  "They don't get to live." being my favorite, I think.  And "We don't have to double back." cracked me up.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 15, 2014, 02:16:56 pm
The very beginning of s01 had one episode villains that weren't very interesting (to me anyways). I did like all of the ones that spanned over multiple episodes.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 15, 2014, 03:16:48 pm
From the last episode of Hell on Wheels:

Quote
Cullen Bohannon!
Cullen Bohannon!
Cullen Bohannon!
Get your blue coat killin'
ass out here, now!

I'm right here, Sid!

You best come and talk to me 'fore I shoot the piss out of this pig shit town!

All right. Let's talk.

Well, look at you.
You're jealous of my badge. You had to go out and get one for yourself.

You should have kept ridin'.

Yeah, I thought so too. You know, I was half way to Denver after I set that cute Lil' yankee twist's church on fire.
You know what it was made me come back?
It was you, Bohannon. You and me got unfinished business.

Suppose that's right.

What do you say we settle things right now?

I'm all done with killin'.

Well, maybe you gonna get killed.

I'm gonna arrest you.

Well, why don't you come on over here and try.

Drop that gun.

Yeah, come on and take it.

[Gunshot]

Ahh!

[Gunshot]

[Coughs]

Well, dip me in dog shit.

[Coughs and laughs]

The church lady?

That's some good writing, if you ask me.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 15, 2014, 05:46:29 pm
I kind of thought all channels were networks.  What are all the other ones?

Though, Hannibal is on NBC, and Hannibal is fantastic. 

Yep, and it has horrible ratings. The only reason it hasn't been canceled yet is that it's an international production and it costs nothing for NBC.

Other channels include HBO, Showtime, AMC, TNT, USA, TBS, Sundance, Starz... I don't know I'm just naming those who make scripted content (of varying quality) but the main difference is that networks have to appeal to a mass audience, and that means serialization is bad because people need to be able to drop in.

Now this is not universally true : Lost is an example of a network TV show that eventually cared little about people being able to drop in. And guess what, the less it cared about that, the less popular it was in terms of ratings. So this episodic "villain of the week" or "case of the week" structure is to be expected on network TV. It can be well done : I enjoy watching an episode of NCIS when I'm at my uncle's house (he's a big fan of that show) but it's a very limited format.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 15, 2014, 05:48:21 pm
I find it hilarious that I know more about american TV than WW :P.

This is not a slam by the way, I get obsessive about stuff and American TV happens to be one of those things. But I thought "network TV" was a concept everybody would be familiar with in the US : if it's not then all this talk about it being dead really is true !
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2014, 05:50:13 pm
I never watch "network" shows besides Hannibal. And now I've been watching Gotham.

Well, and those that are reaired on other stations.  Like, I watch reruns of Big Bang Theory, Family Guy, American Dad, whatever on TBS and/or Adult Swim. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 15, 2014, 06:10:02 pm
Speaking of which, how unbelievably bad is TBBT these days? I can't believe I'm still watching it. Parsons still delivers a couple of great one liners an episode, but all in all it's so so bad.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 15, 2014, 06:12:21 pm
Speaking of which, how unbelievably bad is TBBT these days? I can't believe I'm still watching it. Parsons still delivers a couple of great one liners an episode, but all in all it's so so bad.

I know the feeling. I gave up on it in season 5 I think ? But I stuck with stuff like Dexter or HIMYM till the end just because of inertia.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on October 15, 2014, 07:14:40 pm
Anyone on The Blacklist?

Our normal rotation is Modern Family, Blacklist, Brooklyn 99, Pawn Stars, Wonderland (Australian evening soap).

I need to get SHIELD going again, I watched all of S1.  I want to watch Madam Secretary, but have only seen the pilot.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on October 16, 2014, 09:02:21 am
Anyone watching Masters of Sex? I think I watch it for the historical context while my wife watches it for the smut.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 16, 2014, 09:18:37 am
Anyone watching Masters of Sex? I think I watch it for the historical context while my wife watches it for the smut.

I am, kinda. I actually haven't finished the first season yet. It's very good but it makes Mad Men look eventful and exciting.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 21, 2014, 01:16:15 am
Fish just might be the worst acted character of all time? It's really getting unbearable.

Liked the episode other than that, though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2014, 09:38:37 am
Fish just might be the worst acted character of all time? It's really getting unbearable.

Liked the episode other than that, though.

Haha, yeah.  The kid playing Bruce is maybe a little weak.  But, I like that he's becoming a detective.  I mean, Batman is supposed to be a detective, but we don't really ever see a whole lot of that.  (Maybe a bit in the movies, but it's more him beating people up.)
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 25, 2014, 01:24:54 am
I'm watching Grimm.

I think the trope I hate the most in TV and film is visible passwords.  Man, no security system is going to leave the password completely readable for anybody who happens to be looking at the screen.  If you must do that for the plot, at least make it something plausible.  Have the password be written down on a sticky note or in a notebook or something, because there are actually people who do that.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 27, 2014, 04:45:04 pm
Walking Dead, great as usual. 
Gracepoint... eh, getting somewhat more interesting.  Still seems to fall short of engaging its audience, though.  Dude that plays the father is TERRIBLE.  He delivers his lines as if he's struggling to remember them. 
American Horror Story... we get it, the Carnival is out in the fields.  There are crickets, and you'll always hear crickets in the background.  But they're not in the background.  They're in the foreground.  Dialogue is in the background.  What's the purpose of this?
Gotham... I hope it gets better.

That's all I'm really watching at the moment~.  Walking Dead is what I look forward too.  Can't wait for HBO shows to come back en force (True Detective, Game of Thrones, Silicon Valley, Leftovers).  Hopefully Hannibal will start up in the winter.  I'm hoping The Strain gets a lot stronger in season 2.  Season 1 was watchable, but should have been much better.

The Knick looked really interesting, but I only get Cinemax at random times (not sure if it's a mistake or a promotion thing).  I saw some of some episodes. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: KingZog3 on October 28, 2014, 01:04:15 am
As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on October 28, 2014, 05:31:46 am
I liked the new Gotham episode. Of course they'd enter the killers lair without backup despite what happened 10 years ago, but other than that, it was pretty good. No Fish scenes a good Gotham episode make.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 28, 2014, 09:50:31 am
I liked the new Gotham episode. Of course they'd enter the killers lair without backup despite what happened 10 years ago, but other than that, it was pretty good. No Fish scenes a good Gotham episode make.

Gordon's wife, that cop chick. CRINGE.  Worst.  Actors.  Ever.

Also, why would the arrest Gordon without a body?  The first thing they should be doing is searching the river for a body.  Which they should have done way back in the beginning.  No way they'll make a murder case with only some random homeless guy's testimony.  I don't usually mind these sort of things in shows, but the actual arrest of Gordon was just silly.

Other than that, though, I agree it's getting better.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on October 28, 2014, 11:53:54 am
As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?

Netflix-only fan of the show here. One of these days they'll put Season 5 up.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: KingZog3 on October 28, 2014, 12:04:46 pm
As I'm about to catch up watching all of Archer, I'm ready for 6th season. While the earlier season were probably more funny, I just love the character too much to not keep watching. So many quotable lines from the show. Anyone else watch Archer/are eager for the next season?

Netflix-only fan of the show here. One of these days they'll put Season 5 up.

My netflix has season 5 I think? Canadian netflix though so it may be different.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 28, 2014, 10:24:49 pm
Oh by the way, you guys watch Rick and Morty?  Best.  Show.  Ever.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2014, 10:28:57 am
Oh by the way, you guys watch Rick and Morty?  Best.  Show.  Ever.

I love this show!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 02, 2014, 11:59:42 am
So apparently they're making a TV show of 12 Monkeys: IMDB Link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3148266/?ref_=nv_sr_1).  Seems odd to me, but maybe it'll be cool.

Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Oh by the way, you guys watch Rick and Morty?  Best.  Show.  Ever.

I love this show!

Yes. Hands-down the funniest show.  I hope new episodes start soon. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on November 03, 2014, 10:42:02 am
Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on November 03, 2014, 10:55:50 am
Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.

But if you follow the ongoing interviews out there then you know that we have not seen the last of Twisty at all.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on November 03, 2014, 12:13:41 pm
Also, I liked this weeks American Horror Story much better.

Yeah, I liked American Horror Story this week. Very sad.

And an interesting take in the passing of the crown. The way they played up Twisty the Clown, it seemed like he'd be an ongoing villain for the entire season. His exit was surprising, which made the story interesting.

But if you follow the ongoing interviews out there then you know that we have not seen the last of Twisty at all.

I have not, but I also know that people don't necessary stay gone in AHS.

Death might only be a stumbling block.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 03, 2014, 08:56:37 pm
Oh my god.  Worst.  Gunfight.  Ever.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 03, 2014, 09:16:29 pm
And once again, Penguin completely redeems the episode.
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Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on November 04, 2014, 11:00:02 am
And once again, Penguin completely redeems the episode.
.
Indeed.

I'm higher on this show than I've ever been. Yes, the gunfight sucked and Barbara is one of the most annoying characters in any show ever, but Penguin is just so good. I love his chemistry with Falcone, very excited to see what's next!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on November 07, 2014, 08:42:23 am
I managed to watch this week's American Horror Story.

How much confidence do you lack when your fantasies aren't even perfect. The guy fantasized about obtaining the Illustrated Seal but can't even muster up the illusion of being lauded for it. Then he can't even properly dream about killing two people at once. It has to be this long drawn-out farce that ends up with him returning a less-than-perfect specimen. I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally setting him up to be this pathetic or if they're trying to make the fantasies seem more real by introducing flaws.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on November 07, 2014, 10:04:06 am
I managed to watch this week's American Horror Story.

How much confidence do you lack when your fantasies aren't even perfect. The guy fantasized about obtaining the Illustrated Seal but can't even muster up the illusion of being lauded for it. Then he can't even properly dream about killing two people at once. It has to be this long drawn-out farce that ends up with him returning a less-than-perfect specimen. I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally setting him up to be this pathetic or if they're trying to make the fantasies seem more real by introducing flaws.

Correct, and Dandy represents the orthogonal mentality whereupon he is spontaneously successful without reprise.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on November 19, 2014, 01:38:47 am
Gotham is screwing with the timeline, right?  I thought Harvey Dent was supposed to be around Bruce Wayne's age. 

And was the comic book character a little mentally unstable before his disfigurement?  I always thought he was supposed to be unambiguously good until he became Two-Face, at which point he started going insane.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on November 19, 2014, 08:53:04 am
So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on November 25, 2014, 12:13:16 pm
So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.

It threw me off when the two ladies arrived at the doctor's office. I was thinking that I didn't remember Dell getting any more extreme than breaking fingers (which is still pretty extreme). They handled it with dialogue about the off-screen action. But it's still a little sloppy because the daughter blamed the freaks for his actions. How did she know it was related to the freaks?

But for this to have some serious impact, Dell's actions have to come to light, so they have to learn about the extortion of the doctor at some point. His other actions have pretty much turned the circus against him, though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on November 25, 2014, 12:16:51 pm
So, watching this week's American Horror Story I stopped twice to make sure I hadn't skipped an episode somehow. I feel this series has really lost touch with anything it thought it was trying to accomplish. There are still some really great moments but overall it isn't cohesive at all.

It threw me off when the two ladies arrived at the doctor's office. I was thinking that I didn't remember Dell getting any more extreme than breaking fingers (which is still pretty extreme). They handled it with dialogue about the off-screen action. But it's still a little sloppy because the daughter blamed the freaks for his actions. How did she know it was related to the freaks?

But for this to have some serious impact, Dell's actions have to come to light, so they have to learn about the extortion of the doctor at some point. His other actions have pretty much turned the circus against him, though.

I think that was supposed to be indicative of general prejudice against the freaks.  Doctor took them as patients, something bad happened to doctor, therefore it must be their fault.  The show is trying to demonstrate that the general view of the town is that anything bad is the freak's fault.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on December 01, 2014, 09:39:00 am
I watch Bones through osmosis. It's not a show I bother watching, but I'm often in the room when it's playing.

I think I just really hate the main character. Dr. Brennan, I think. Prudence, maybe? She suffers from the Sheldon syndrome in that she's supposed to be super smart, but she's too clueless to realize when people use colloquialities and unironically expresses how such an expression is logically impossible.

I know this character is based on a real person, and I wonder what her reaction to the character's portrayal is, because I know I'd be embarrassed to have someone like that based on my life. (cue Homer Simpson/Max Power episode).

Also, do people like this really exist? I know a lot of nerds over the age of 20, and maybe I'm just fortunate that I don't know anyone like that. Younger nerds, sure.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2014, 09:49:06 am
I don't watch Bones, but in the case of Sheldon, I don't think the point is that characters like that exist.  There exist people that exhibit some of those traits, but the character itself is a highlight of those things.  So, everything gets exaggerated.  A lot of people criticize the Big Bang Theory, but I think that Sheldon is done very well.  I mean, some of the jokes are for laymen only, but the execution is good.

Another case of this is a show like How I Met Your Mother.  None of those character exist, but rather they're some extreme embodiment of traits that really do exist in people. 

Notably, I believe all the characters in Big Bang Theory were inspired by real people that the writers/creators knew or knew of.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on December 01, 2014, 10:26:36 am
Okay, I can grant that Sheldon is a caricature on purpose, which is often used to good effect in comedies (Moss from the IT Crowd is also an extreme example, but I don't find him annoying like I do Sheldon).

But Bones is not a comedy, so her fish-out-of-water comments continue to grate on my nerves.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pacovf on December 01, 2014, 11:45:07 am
Sheldon is autistic (but high-functioning). People like him exist. People like him and their close ones can get annoyed at the show (occasionally?) laughing at him rather than with him. I find Raj much harder to believe than Sheldon.

AFAIK, Bones is just plain annoying writing. I could be wrong, I dislike the show too much to read anything about it.

HIMYM is absurd comedy, so I don't think the comparison is all that valid.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2014, 11:47:53 am
I'd say Big Bang Theory is an absurd comedy as well.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pacovf on December 01, 2014, 12:11:06 pm
I haven't watched TBBT since 2013, so it might have changed, but it definitely looked like slice of life to me, although obviously not everyone is going to identify with it. Sure, sometimes they push it for the sake of the joke ("I HAVE THE SWORD OF AZEROTH!"), but it remains believable.

If you routinely see people in a scuba diving suit in bars, I want to move to wherever you live. While the first few seasons of HIMYM stayed reasonable, the series quickly forewent such lowly considerations as "logic" or "verisimilitude". For the better, if you ask me.
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Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2014, 12:14:07 pm
Neither HIMYM or Big Bang Theory are absurdist comedies... HIMYM is a Friends clone, a hangout sitcom. BBT is basically a hangout sitcom with NERDS !

I don't like the "how well they're caricatures" defense. Obviously sitcom characters live in a heightened reality where everyone has an elaborate costume for Halloween and no one ever moves to another city, but they still need to be grounded in reality to be relatable.

@pacovf : The problem is Sheldon isn't autistic. He sure behaves like someone who is, but officially no, he's just a nerd. I wish the show would just say he's autistic and be done with it, because as is it annoys me greatly. Well not anymore since I stopped watching a while ago, but Sheldon just being an ass wasn't super funny to me.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2014, 12:15:17 pm
Ok, Barney is probably pushing the line a bit, but everyone else in HIMYM (at least in he first few seasons) is a character rooted in reality.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pacovf on December 01, 2014, 12:35:06 pm
Neither HIMYM or Big Bang Theory are absurdist comedies... HIMYM is a Friends clone, a hangout sitcom.

I've heard a lot of people complain about HIMYM as it became less and less like Friends. Honestly, I thought it improved as it tried weirder and weirder stuff. You would be hard pressed to call, say, the 4th season a Friends clone.


Ok, Barney is probably pushing the line a bit, but everyone else in HIMYM (at least in he first few seasons) is a character rooted in reality.

Man, way more than "pushing the line a bit". Everything that happens in Goliath Bank is completely insane, for starters. Everything. Do you remember that episode where Marshall was afraid that he was going to be fired, and Barney told him that he had to be unique to avoid being fired?
And while Barney is the most obvious case of not-even-trying-to-make-sense, all the other characters get their surreal episodes too. Of course, if you base your opinion on the first few seasons, I agree with you. But I think they are not very representative of the whole series.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on December 01, 2014, 01:42:25 pm
Well I would say the first four seasons are vastly, vastly superior to the later ones (though I did keep watching and there were good episodes every now and then), so that's why I'm basing my opinion of the series on them.

I'll concede that the show did grow more surreal as it went on, but the word "absurd" for a comedy is something I associate with Monty Python, not with HIMYM.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Ozle on December 01, 2014, 02:01:03 pm
I started watching The Walking Dead from season 5, episode 1. Its alright I suppose
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: KingZog3 on December 02, 2014, 11:48:04 am
I've started to watch a bunch of animated shows, since I started a degree in animation. Figured I should watch animated shows. So far I've watched Gravity Falls, Archer, and Rick and Morty.

Archer is hilarious. I recommend it to anyone who likes a healthy dose of sarcasm, sex jokes and James Bond parody. Lots of running gags in this show, but most of them are pretty good and not over used which I liked a lot. Plus the drawings are really well done. The cut out style sort of makes the show more funny since you get these realistic drawings, but then they are animated sort of childishly, which is yet in again in contrast to some of the subject matter.

Gravity Falls is a kids' show on the Disney channel, but it's one of those kids' shows that also funny for adults. The characters are adorable, especially Waddles the pig, and the plots are fun. I recommend for easy watching, or watching a show with kids. It'll be entertaining for everyone.

Finally I watched Rick and Morty. This show man, it's strange. The plots all revolve around Morty, a 14 year old boy, who is pulled into adventures with his alcoholic mad scientist grandfather. They are so far-fetched. One second Morty is in class, the next they are travelling to parallel worlds, or going into the theme park Rick made inside a Homeless man's body. Should be noted that this is not for kids. But I did enjoy it quite a bit and am eager for season 2.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on December 02, 2014, 11:51:13 am
Rick and Morty is so, so, so, so good.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on December 02, 2014, 12:19:22 pm
Rick and Morty had a minor crossover with Gravity Falls at one point.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on December 02, 2014, 12:21:21 pm
Bojack Horseman is incredible. Highly suggest it if you like animated stuff. Or if you don't.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: KingZog3 on December 02, 2014, 01:52:32 pm
Bojack Horseman is incredible. Highly suggest it if you like animated stuff. Or if you don't.

Yeah, I watched the first episode yesterday :P I do plan to watch the rest though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on December 17, 2014, 04:35:30 pm
I just started Fargo (and I'm almost finished it now). Really really good, it feels like the movie, but is different? I was quite happy with it, and would recommend it to anyone who liked the movie, or just likes good TV about crime and people and human nature and stuff.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on January 19, 2015, 12:03:35 am
So I watched the premiere of 12 Monkeys.  Wasn't that bad, really, though I didn't expect a lot from it. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on January 19, 2015, 06:48:23 am
Latest episode of Grimm was best yet.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on January 19, 2015, 01:08:57 pm
I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle.  (http://io9.com/first-footage-from-philip-k-dicks-man-in-the-high-castl-1679806492)That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 01, 2015, 11:52:39 am
Anyone see 12 Monkeys yet? I have it on DVR, but I have so much other stuff to watch. If 12 Monkeys isn't living up to the hype, then I may just remove it. But I figured it would be worthwhile to keep on DVR in case it is decent. I know SyFy is trying to turn itself around.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 01, 2015, 12:46:23 pm
Anyone see 12 Monkeys yet? I have it on DVR, but I have so much other stuff to watch. If 12 Monkeys isn't living up to the hype, then I may just remove it. But I figured it would be worthwhile to keep on DVR in case it is decent. I know SyFy is trying to turn itself around.

Don't expect it to be great.  But hey, watch it, it's kind of okay.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 01, 2015, 04:00:24 pm
I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle.  (http://io9.com/first-footage-from-philip-k-dicks-man-in-the-high-castl-1679806492)That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.

Wait, Len Deighton STOLE the idea for SSGB??
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on February 01, 2015, 04:31:39 pm
I watched some of the footage that io9 had of Man in the High Castle.  (http://io9.com/first-footage-from-philip-k-dicks-man-in-the-high-castl-1679806492)That shows looks pretty awesome. Anyone else stoked about this show? I can't watch the pilot on Amazon because I'm Canadian, but will find a way to watch it eventually.

Edit: It's a show based on the Phillip K. Dick book of the same name. An alternate universe where the Allies lost WWII, set in occupied North America.

Wait, Len Deighton STOLE the idea for SSGB??

I haven't read it so I can't really compare directly, but though the premises are similar I can only assume that the actual plots are quite different.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 04, 2015, 03:00:14 am
Watching Person of Interest, there was some discussion about Schrodinger's Cat.  It was very basic, but the premise was explained.  This took me right out of immersion, because the two characters who were talking are both very intelligent, so no explanation should have been necessary.  It was purely for the benefit of anybody in the audience who isn't familiar with the concept.

That said, Person of Interest is still an incredible show.  Anybody else watching it?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 04, 2015, 07:46:40 am
I would watch it based on its premise, but I really don't enjoy watching either of the two lead actors.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 04, 2015, 08:50:24 am
Watching Person of Interest, there was some discussion about Schrodinger's Cat.  It was very basic, but the premise was explained.  This took me right out of immersion, because the two characters who were talking are both very intelligent, so no explanation should have been necessary.  It was purely for the benefit of anybody in the audience who isn't familiar with the concept.

This is why I hate watching Bones. Or rather, hearing Bones, as it plays sometimes when I'm in the room. The main character talks in such a stilted way, and the characters all speak to each other like they're children. The various CSI episodes do that too.

And I know that it's a way to engage the audience. It's no fun if two people talk about something that the audience knows nothing about. I just wish there is a way to do it without ruining immersion.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on February 04, 2015, 09:36:43 am
I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 04, 2015, 09:39:44 am
I think that Gotham has gotten much, much better since the break.  I haven't watched last night's episode yet, though.  They need to seriously consider just writing out Gordon's ex entirely.  Without her, every scene is actually watchable. 

Maybe we can start an online petition?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 04, 2015, 04:28:33 pm
I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).

It's not just gotten better, it's gotten incredible.  I can't remember when it happened though.  If you were interested, I could find approximately when it stopped being a mediocre case-of-the-week procedural and became an awesome serialized sci-fi dystopian drama.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 04, 2015, 06:54:33 pm
I think that Gotham has gotten much, much better since the break.  I haven't watched last night's episode yet, though.  They need to seriously consider just writing out Gordon's ex entirely.  Without her, every scene is actually watchable. 

I agree it has become incredibly well done. My wife was really excited about it before its debut, and I was not.  It hooked me immediately, and she let it go quickly. It has so much going for it - high quirk factor, better than average acting even when scenery is being chewed, lighting effects, micro vs. macro morality.  I like it a lot, and am behind a few episodes.

Edit: Inserted proper quote to reflect that I was speaking of Gotham, not Person of Interest.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Nevermind on February 05, 2015, 03:57:32 pm
I watched three episodes of Person of INterest because the premise was interesting, and concluded it was just another boring CBS-procedural with an awful, awful leading performance (Caviezel).

I've heard it's gotten better, but it's really hard for me to come back to stuff I've given up on (see : Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).

It's not just gotten better, it's gotten incredible.  I can't remember when it happened though.  If you were interested, I could find approximately when it stopped being a mediocre case-of-the-week procedural and became an awesome serialized sci-fi dystopian drama.
I agree it has become incredibly well done. My wife was really excited about it before its debut, and I was not.  It hooked me immediately, and she let it go quickly. It has so much going for it - high quirk factor, better than average acting even when scenery is being chewed, lighting effects, micro vs. macro morality.  I like it a lot, and am behind a few episodes.

Person of Interest is a very good show, and all the episodes are fantastic. That being said, I know a few people who don't like the way the show is headed, they prefer it just the way it was, with them saving or stopping the new number every week. I like both aspects, but I'm slightly inclined to agree with the unmentioned individuals.

Even though I enjoy POI, I really like Arrow and Flash now. One Saturday night, my friend and I randomly watched the Arrow pilot after we had heard that the creators of something called "Arrow" were doing "Flash". Flash sounded pretty good, but we were wondering what Arrow was. So we watched the pilot on a Saturday. 2 hours later, 2 more friends come over, asking what we were doing. We excitedly responded, " We just watched this thing called Arrow. We're in the middle of the 3rd episode, would you want to join?" We ended at about 11:30 P.M. Right now, I believe Arrow is the best show out there. Haven't seen Gotham yet, but it sounds good.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 05, 2015, 04:12:53 pm
I gave Arrow a pass when it premiered. It didn't appeal to me. To be honest, archery-based superheroes always bug me. Even in the realm of the fantastic, someone jumping around and planting arrows with perfect precision just annoys me—despite the fact that there are videos showing amazing feats of archery. But that's my own personal gripe that's not really rooted in anything reasonable.

But the Flash did interest me. I enjoyed watching most of the first season (not done yet), even when there was obvious crossover with a show I wasn't watching. Having learned that they both were by the same guy (I think), I started watching Arrow on Netflix. Fortunately, it's more than just improbably acrobatic archery. The story is pretty good, and I'm digging it. Still on the first season of Arrow, but I'm making my way up. I need to get back to the Flash and perhaps other shows on my DVR so I don't choke it (I don't know the upper limit of Google Fiber's storage, but I've learned that several days of the Olympics will choke the fuck out of it).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Ozle on February 05, 2015, 04:31:16 pm
Flash is soooooooo boring.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 05, 2015, 04:31:46 pm
I like the direction of POI.  There are tons of "case of the week" procedurals out there, but there's not much like what POI is now.  The original premise (super agent gets numbers for a target which may be victim or perpetrator) was fine but nothing amazing.  The serial elements really made the show, and I'm glad that they've given focus to that.  For those that prefer the CotW stuff, it's still around.  Fusco just handled a number in the most recent episode!

Arrow and the Flash are good.  They're both based on DC comics properties.  I've been told by a big DC comics fan that the shows do a poor job of sticking to the source material, but that doesn't bother me since I'm not a big comics guy (although I enjoy all the recent film and TV adaptations).  Moreover, I know that comics have retcons and multiple universes and all that, so it's not a big deal that there are changes for the TV version.

There's a pretty big change in the recent Flash episode though.

Barry's new love interest is Linda Park.  From what I can tell, Linda Park was actually the wife of the Flash in the comics... except not Barry.  Rather, she was the wife of the third flash, Wally West.  Barry Allen (the second Flash) was his mentor, and Barry was married to Iris West, who is Wally's aunt.  So the family tree is super twisted in the TV version now.

On the plus side, not keeping with comics continuity means that we can't be sure certain things will or won't happen just because they did or did not in the comics.

As for Gotham, I'm still not sold on it.  I think it's OK, but it's not as fun or exciting as Arrow or Flash.  I do still wonder if they're supposed to be in the same universe though, since they are both DC properties.



I also want to give a shout out to The 100, another show on the CW (like Arrow and Flash).  It started out a bit rocky, but I also quite like the direction it's taken.  More dystopian drama, hoorah!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 06, 2015, 08:13:59 am
Okay, I caught myself up on 12 Monkeys yesterday. It's not too bad. It's mostly a retelling of the movie, but they're allowing for more exposition since this is a mini-series (I can't envision this being an ongoing series). So you get to see more of what the world in the future is like.

The Army of the 12 Monkeys has changed, which is interesting. It means that I can't rely on what I know from the movie. The premise is similar, and they have a female Brad Pitt, but the introduction of an overreaching menace shakes things up a bit.

So far, they've been careful in their handling of time travel. One character says he met Cole already in 1987, which hasn't happened to Cole's recollection. So big leak for a future episode. I thought they were going to flub when Cole went to Haiti in 2014 and would meet Railley. That would have meant she remembered seeing him, but they addressed that in the show. It's clear that their writers are aware of time travel wonkiness. Of course, it's time travel, and there will still be problems. Mostly I just hope that the writers are clever about it. I don't expect my time travel to be paradox-free.  Speaking of which, I'm not sure about the paradox bomb, but I guess it's a warning that Cole really, really, really should not meet himself.

And in other news, hype is building for Better Call Saul. I'm always wary of spin-offs, but I'll record this anyway. Bits are cheap. If the writing is as good as Breaking Bad, then this ought to be a good show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 06, 2015, 09:29:24 am
I think tonight's episode of 12 Monkeys will take place almost entirely in the future.

From the previews, they might have to send Cole back in the midst of an attack without any promising way of bringing him back, "stranding" him in the past.

I'm happy enough with the show.. some of it is cheesy and not too well done.. like every action scene, where someone holds up a gun and for some reason can't shoot until a long-enough pause for the hero to knock the gun out of their hand.  But, hey, not a huge production budget, that's okay.

Some of the previews for other SciFi shows look interesting as well.

Also, I think Better Call Saul will be quite good.  And I'm more excited for Walking Dead on Sunday than anything else in the world~
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 06, 2015, 09:47:54 am
It does look like SyFy is making a strong effort to live up to its name (even though that name is now the stupid SyFy). I was floored by the number of new series they have. And some of those commercials actually make the shows look appealing. I have enough shows right now, so I'll stick with just 12 Monkeys.

But I'm still a little wary about SyFy. I saw a commercial for pro wrestling, so they haven't entirely given up on the stupid.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 06, 2015, 09:57:54 am
I think someone had told me that Helix was entertaining.  I could be thinking of the wrong show, though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 06, 2015, 12:54:18 pm
I watched season 1 of Helix.  I thought it was alright.  I plan on watching season 2 as well, which just started, but I haven't gotten to it yet.  From what I remember, it had some interesting mythology behind it.  I think there were some cases of "everybody is stupid", but I don't remember them all.  The show isn't amazing, but I think it worked as semi-mindless entertainment.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on February 06, 2015, 01:01:40 pm
Not a new show, but The Americans started its third season recently. It's an interesting show, and season 2 was really good.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 11, 2015, 02:58:17 am
Parks and Rec continues to knock it out of the park.  So many callbacks in tonight's episodes.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 11, 2015, 09:02:39 am
Better Caul Saul (let's make that spelling catch on!) is highly entertaining.  It's the same kind of caliber as Breaking Bad, though less.. adrenaline?  More humor, not quite as dark.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 11, 2015, 10:15:21 am
Better Caul Saul (let's make that spelling catch on!) is highly entertaining.  It's the same kind of caliber as Breaking Bad, though less.. adrenaline?  More humor, not quite as dark.

Damn, I'll have to wait for it to come onto Netflix. I forgot that the one downside to Google Fiber is that Time Warner is being a petulant little jerk and not sharing its AMC station. I had to watch Breaking Bad on Netflix, but that wasn't so bad since I didn't start watching it until season 5 started. I just had to wait a little bit for the second half of season 5 to be released (and I ended up borrowing a friend's DVD).

So unless I find someone around here without Fiber and who watches it, I'll have to wait for Saul.

My own progress is that I'm all caught up on 12 Monkeys and the Flash now. I'm chomping at the bit to watch the finale of American Horror Story, but my wife is taking classes in the evening, so it's difficult for us to coordinate a time to watch it. I may have to do the unthinkable and watch it without her.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on February 11, 2015, 10:22:14 am
Really enjoyed the latest Walking Dead. I didn't check to see if it had an alternate director from the usual but it was definitely done differently and I liked the change of pace. It would not work as a continuous format, though.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 11, 2015, 10:28:28 am
Really enjoyed the latest Walking Dead. I didn't check to see if it had an alternate director from the usual but it was definitely done differently and I liked the change of pace. It would not work as a continuous format, though.

It was Greg Nicotero. He was on Talking Dead after. I think he only directs a few episodes a season.  I liked it.

But, dammit, I wanted Tyreese to live.  I was hoping they would go the other direction with his character and make him become more like Rick, and have him come into a more leadership role.  Like he was in the comics before (doublespoiler) he died(/doublespoiler).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on February 13, 2015, 02:15:56 am
Parks and Rec continues to knock it out of the park.  So many callbacks in tonight's episodes.

And in an organic way, too, wrapped in a layer of quality humor. Then filling. Then another layer of crust...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2015, 09:39:03 pm
So just as I was coming here to say how much Gotham had improved from the first half, they bring back worst-character-ever Barbara.  Sigh.

Fish Mooney is still god awful.  I mean bad bad.. like.. why isn't she dead? 
Everything else is good.. I like the slow boil  they're doing with Bruce.

Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 16, 2015, 09:54:51 pm
Maybe if we start an online petition, they'll write Fish and Barbara out of the show?  I just don't get it..  they could have easily ended Fish's narrative  once Falcone found her out.. Before, she was bad, but at least she was serving a purpose (Penguin's arc).

The guy doing Riddler is excellent.  And, from what I can tell, the kid that is allegedly to become Joker is pretty good.  I haven't finished tonight's episode though.


.... god this Fish arc is so dumb.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 16, 2015, 11:18:54 pm
They can't write Barbara out of the show, she's canon!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2015, 09:16:54 am
12 Monkeys is around the same as the first episode.. not bad, really, but not exactly compelling.  I feel like the idea is good, but it's just missing a little bit of something to make me actually get invested in the characters.  I like the grimness of it, though. 

The current saving graces of TV are Walking Dead and Better Call Saul.  I'm really excited for the rest of this season of The Walking  Dead, because in the interim I cheated and peeked at (read: binge-read all 130 some issues of) the comics.  I know some things will change, but the general plot points coming up are exciting and I think will be really interesting to see on screen.

Better Call Saul is just good, and I'm not really sure why.  I feel that even if I didn't watch Breaking Bad, I would still be just as interested and invested in the character.  I don't really understand what this show does different that, say, 12 Monkeys doesn't, but it's like I'm excited to see every new development, and I find myself hoping a particular choice/revelation doesn't go bad for Saul. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2015, 09:21:39 am
They can't write Barbara out of the show, she's canon!

Not having read the Batman comics, how important is she to canon? I've really only played the Arkham series, so I base my canon on that. I've not heard mention of Gordon's wife/ex-wife/prom date/whatever. I've only heard of his daughter, which judging by her name being Barbara as well, I figure that means that he named her in memory of his lost love. So I'm waiting for Gotham to kill off Barbara. But like I said, I am pretty ignorant of the canon except for what's fed to me through the video games.

Finally finished watching American Horror Story: Freakshow. The end episodes always seem to be a bit of a letdown for me. I'm not sure why. The carnival arc was appropriately depressing, though I'm sad that the only survivors are those who cowered or showed up late. They did show Amazon Eve's strength, but it ended for naught. Elsa's arc was slow to build, but I liked how she resolved her past. I suppose it was still a pretty good episode, but I expected more from the finale. That's probably my fault for building it up in my head.

And hey I also finished up Franklin & Bash season. I had been putting it off because I missed the first episode of the season and was hoping to catch it on DVR again. It never happened, so I skipped it. I still appreciate the writing of this show, but the plot is starting to drag, and it looks like they're really stretching with this finale.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 17, 2015, 04:00:35 pm
Not having read the Batman comics, how important is she to canon?

I'm not super familiar with the comics either, but I like to look up characters as they come up on the shows.  As I understand it, Barbara Kean actually married Jim, and one of their children is Batgirl Barbara.  Specifics of her story are mixed up due to retcons, but she obviously has a prominent role in the comics.

In all seriousness though, it would be nice if they actually did something that shook up comic book continuity.  As it is, the show has fewer stakes because we can pretty much assume that most of the important characters have plot armor.  Jim can't die, Penguin can't die, Riddler can't die.  But as I said near the start of this thread, they could bring back that tension by doing something legitimately surprising.  Kill off one of the future-super-villains and reveal that the actual super villain is somebody else assuming that identity.  Actually deviate from the comic book sources.

The latter is a tricky subject though.  Surely there are fans who would be upset if they aren't faithful to the comics.  But really, comic book continuity is a mess anyways, isn't it?  Retcons and all?  The multiverse?  The TV shows could be their own slice of the multiverse that doesn't necessarily match up to the comics.  Arrow and Flash deviate plenty already, and I think that's for the best.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 23, 2015, 10:33:21 pm
Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 24, 2015, 02:57:09 am
Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Some people like her.  Like, the AV Club reviews have a mostly positive view of Fish, Penguin, Falcone and Bruce, and a largely negative view on everything else.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 24, 2015, 08:17:39 am
Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Part of it I suspect is because the character is a strong female. There aren't many of those in TV, so the presence of a strong female character—especially a villain—may make up for the awkwardness of her scenes. I'm still two episodes behind, so I just barely got into the mystery prison. Already that arc is making me scratch my head. Hopefully it's been explained already.

I saw someone post that she just wants a female villain who is simply evil. None of this crap about the villain being a villain because she's been spurned by a man or is trying to prove herself to a man. She has her own internal motivations, and she will do whatever it takes to achieve her goals. To that extent, I think Fish fits that pretty well.

Still digging the Flash. I think the Man in Yellow plot is dragging a bit, but they're still keeping everything else fresh. And it's pretty cool to see a major DC villain that isn't Joker or Lex. I don't know that much about the comics, but I do recall a little bit about Grodd. Of course, this version is a lot more brutal than the Grodd I grew up with.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 08:50:29 am
You can be a strong female character and not be a cringeworthy waste of episode time...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 08:51:20 am
Fish still has scenes... Why is she still in this show? :(

Some people like her.  Like, the AV Club reviews have a mostly positive view of Fish, Penguin, Falcone and Bruce, and a largely negative view on everything else.

Are they watching a different show?  Is there a version where it's not bad?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 24, 2015, 10:34:28 am
You can be a strong female character and not be a cringeworthy waste of episode time...

I agree, but in a sense, she's providing something sadly unique in television. Compared to Barbara, Fish is a champ.

At least she's not Keanu bad. Considering that this is a world that more resembles Dick Tracy than CSI, Fish's over-the-top representation is actually at home here.

But the boat scene was ridiculous. It was an obvious ploy to try to get people excited about the next week. Ooh, Fish is getting all vicious. This will be an awesome fight. I'm tuning in next week for sure…oh, she got captured.

Each time Fish does something stupid or annoying, my wife just tells the TV, "Ha, you're not canon." I certainly would not be upset to see Fish gone for good. If she is somehow getting positive reviews, I have a suspicion she won't be. The writers will probably do something foolish like have her work under Penguin. In that instance, the show may very well jump the fish.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 10:35:26 am
Every time someone annoys me in real life, I'm just going to say "Ha, you're not cannon." to them and walk away.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 24, 2015, 12:51:23 pm
I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I mostly like Fish.  I think she's interesting, and being non-canon means her story can go anywhere.  She could actually be killed off, so there are stakes in her storyline.  I prefer the cheesy zaniness over the gritty but bland predictability of most everything else.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 24, 2015, 01:35:11 pm
I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I think you may right about that.

It wasn't the first time I referred to Gotham as a relative of Dick Tracy. Lots of over-the-top, goofy villains and hard-boiled detectives. The balloon killer was pretty ridiculous, something more closely related to the '60s series if it weren't for the lethality.

I'm okay with the genre-crossing. It doesn't astound me, but I find it enjoyable enough.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 01:44:22 pm
I think the problem is that Gotham is having a tough time choosing between "over the top super hero/villain show" and "tough, gritty cop drama".  Fish is clearly hamming it up, and some people see that as delightful scenery-chewing and scene-stealing, whereas others just see it as cheesy and ridiculous.

I think you may right about that.

It wasn't the first time I referred to Gotham as a relative of Dick Tracy. Lots of over-the-top, goofy villains and hard-boiled detectives. The balloon killer was pretty ridiculous, something more closely related to the '60s series if it weren't for the lethality.

I'm okay with the genre-crossing. It doesn't astound me, but I find it enjoyable enough.

Thing is, ridiculous and over the top is not bad.  It's not that Fish is over the top; it's that her scenes are just bad.   I don't have an issue with any of the other villains.

Plus, that she wasn't simply killed in any of the last five episodes is silly.  Crime boss is going to tie her up in a dungeon and torture her?  Uh, no, bullet to the head, toss in the river, done.  Evil doctors see she's causing a prisoner uprising and organizing resistance?  Okay, pull her off, slit her throat, done.  Business as usual.  Okay maybe steal some organs or whatever. 

The contrast between making Gotham an actual city where bad things can happen and the nonseriousness of the criminals is a big putoff.  Kid murdering his mom was a good direction to move.  Fish being alive is a huge step back from that.

And of course, the fact that the character is *awful* and the writers should be dancing through any hoops they can to kill this character off no matter how awkward it might make the writing, but they've literally had her death scenario handed to them on a silver platter multiple times and chose to write her out of dying in uncomfortably absurd ways.

Kill Fish, kill Barbara, you have a good show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 24, 2015, 03:50:50 pm
I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 03:55:46 pm
I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.

The way she talks, mostly.  And how they're trying so hard to point out how "badass" she is.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 24, 2015, 03:56:55 pm
So upthread I read a comment about a character I've missed, or something, so help me out.  Penguin is obvious, Ed Nygma (clever there) will be the Riddler, but I missed a Joker-to-be character?  Who is that?  (And I'm now two episodes behind, so Fish has just taken over the underground slum after slitting the "boss's" throat, if that matters to the explanation).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on February 24, 2015, 04:25:08 pm
So upthread I read a comment about a character I've missed, or something, so help me out.  Penguin is obvious, Ed Nygma (clever there) will be the Riddler, but I missed a Joker-to-be character?  Who is that?  (And I'm now two episodes behind, so Fish has just taken over the underground slum after slitting the "boss's" throat, if that matters to the explanation).

You are at the same point as me. There has not been a Joker reference yet.

But…the scenes from next week (so the current penultimate episode) hint at a Joker character. I think it'll happen in the two most recent episodes.

I kind of hoped they wouldn't try to force the Joker in there. Oh well, too bad.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on February 24, 2015, 04:29:34 pm
The upcoming episode is, I would say, a good one. I'm not too concerned about that issue.

(By upcoming I mean the one you were talking about, the 2/16 episode.)
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on February 24, 2015, 04:52:10 pm
I really don't see how Fish's scenes are "just bad" compared to the rest.  Sure, she probably should have died a bunch of times, but that's no more absurd than how Gordon solves most of his cases by sheer luck rather than actual solid detective work.  I don't think the character is awful, at least no more so than several others.  What specifically about her character turns you off?

I expect that Fish actually will die eventually, because she's about the only character who can die.  They can't kill Barbara if they want to stick anywhere close to source material, though I would be impressed if they did.

The way she talks, mostly.  And how they're trying so hard to point out how "badass" she is.

Different strokes, I guess.  I think Fish's character is pretty interesting, and ridiculousness with her doesn't stand out any more to me than ridiculousness with the other characters.  I agree that Barbara isn't being used very well, and they could do better with Fish.  But I think they could do better with most of the cast.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on March 06, 2015, 08:05:42 am
Is the final season of Parks and Rec worth it? I watched the first six seasons and then the season premiere of season 7. I'm so far not impressed with the final season. I'm not sure I should continue.

On a different note, I finished Agent Carter. Pretty good. Hope to see it return.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 06, 2015, 10:41:33 am
Is the final season of Parks and Rec worth it? I watched the first six seasons and then the season premiere of season 7. I'm so far not impressed with the final season. I'm not sure I should continue.

On a different note, I finished Agent Carter. Pretty good. Hope to see it return.

This guy thought so, and makes the point rather effectively:

http://joeposnanski.com/goodbye-parks/

If you don't know his writing (mostly of sports, but also human interest stories), I'll just say Posnanski is not to be missed.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 06, 2015, 01:29:14 pm
Definitely worth it.  The season was incredible.  The first episode or two are setup, but "Leslie and Ron" was an outstanding episode, and the quality was maintained from there.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on March 06, 2015, 03:50:22 pm
Definitely worth it.  The season was incredible.  The first episode or two are setup, but "Leslie and Ron" was an outstanding episode, and the quality was maintained from there.

Okay, I'm convinced. I'll stick it out and get to the good stuff.

I probably would have anyway. I have a habit of watching shows until the end, even if they peter out (I'm looking at you, Heroes). In fact, it took great willpower to give up on the last season of Torchwood. I felt compelled to finish it, but I held strong and am not disappointed with the turns the show has taken.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 06, 2015, 04:08:13 pm
I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 06, 2015, 04:29:19 pm
Heroes, oh man.

I remember hearing about its return, but haven't seen much info about it since.  I will totally watch it when it comes back though.  I am a sucker.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on March 06, 2015, 04:30:32 pm
I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.

I'm cautiously optimistic about it. They can do it correctly, and hopefully they will.

Heroes has kind of a Wild Cards feel. You can focus on little stories of different people, which was pretty much what the show did. To be honest, I didn't need them to tie the stories together. I was perfectly fine with the story about Claire and the story about Peter and never do they meet.

I think it could be neat if Heroes adopted the American Horror Story formula. One season focuses on ordinary people with freaky powers. Wrap up that season. Next season is entirely different. Maybe it's about gangsters in Chinatown. Maybe it's a story about garage bands in upstate New York. It could be fun and diverse.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 07, 2015, 10:07:43 pm
I agree completely about Heroes, and I don't know how to feel about the fact that they are bringing it back.

...Heroes has kind of a Wild Cards feel. You can focus on little stories of different people, which was pretty much what the show did. To be honest, I didn't need them to tie the stories together. I was perfectly fine with the story about Claire and the story about Peter and never do they meet....

I agree with this. The fact that paths started to cross was what made me think it was all building to some amazing thing, and it never did.  That's what disappointed me.  Along with the fact that the writing just sucked at the end.  I seem to recall that they changed writers at some point, and you could certainly tell.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 07, 2015, 10:29:28 pm
I think the problem was that they came off of this excellent first season only to run into the writer's strike during the second season.  It really hurt their momentum and they never really recovered.  They lost viewers but kept trying to do weird and crazy things to regain attention, which never really worked out.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 08, 2015, 11:51:36 am
Official news about Fish's character in Gotham:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/jada-pinkett-smith-says-she%E2%80%99s-leaving-%E2%80%98gotham%E2%80%99-after-season-1/ar-AA9sSmu?ocid=ansVariety11
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on March 08, 2015, 12:01:51 pm
Official news about Fish's character in Gotham:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/jada-pinkett-smith-says-she%E2%80%99s-leaving-%E2%80%98gotham%E2%80%99-after-season-1/ar-AA9sSmu?ocid=ansVariety11

Good news, but why would she come out and say that in an interview?  Actors usually don't reveal future things about their characters.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on March 09, 2015, 08:12:12 am
I finished up Parks and Rec. Another series checked off (not that I kept a list).

I didn't feel that the finale was fabulous, but it did a good job as a finale. It wrapped things up neatly. And I like the future glimpses. It was way better than the past glimpses that the Seinfeld finale did (seriously, that finale sucked ass).

I'm glad I saw the final season, especially the Pie-mary episode. It had some really great snarks in there. My two favorites are "I think you underestimate the voters;" "I don't think that's possible" and "Men have had a rough go of it for…very recently."

My complaint with this season is that they continued to use the three most loathsome and annoying characters. They're not the worst in all of television, but their inclusion made the scenes they were in as bad as typical prime-time TV. I refer to Craig, Jean-Ralphio, and his annoying sister. They contributed to the show not being absolutely amazing. Why even bother with those characters?
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 09, 2015, 09:21:12 am
Speaking of Parks and Recreation, yesterday I watched Nick Offerman's special (American Ham).  It's good; you should all watch it.
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 09, 2015, 04:08:10 pm
I refer to Craig, Jean-Ralphio, and his annoying sister. They contributed to the show not being absolutely amazing. Why even bother with those characters?

Man, I think Craig is an amazing character.  Jean-Ralphio was only around briefly and he served a narrative purpose by removing some of the expectations you might have for the future scenes.  His sister sorta just tied in with him there.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on March 09, 2015, 04:31:19 pm
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is amazing. It's a Tina Fey/Robert Carlock comedy on Netflix, and anyone who liked 30 Rock should give it a try.

RE : Parks & Rec. The finale was pretty good. I don't mind Craig, he was certainly a bit more present this season but still in small doses, and he's nowhere near as annoying as Jean-Ralphio and Mona Lisa. Jean-Ralphio was kind of funny early on, but they kept coming back to him with ever diminishing returns.
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Post by: ashersky on March 09, 2015, 07:49:04 pm
Brooklyn 99 continues to be way better than it should.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on March 09, 2015, 10:02:10 pm
Jamm is the only character that made me want to turn off Parks & Rec. The show doesn't work tonally with villains. They need to just be other good people with different goals (Jan Barkley/Bobby Newport, Dave in his return episode, etc.) Craig, I liked Craig! Why does everyone complain about Craig?

Anyway very much enjoyed the final season, not the greatest but hey, it went out on a strong note, and that made me happy.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on March 11, 2015, 08:48:51 am
Jamm is the only character that made me want to turn off Parks & Rec. The show doesn't work tonally with villains. They need to just be other good people with different goals (Jan Barkley/Bobby Newport, Dave in his return episode, etc.) Craig, I liked Craig! Why does everyone complain about Craig?

Anyway very much enjoyed the final season, not the greatest but hey, it went out on a strong note, and that made me happy.

I also hated Jamm, but I barely tolerated him because he was a caricature used to punch home the jabs made at politicians. He even narrates the whole process with recalling Knope, and that, I think, is what made Jamm a failure. He was used by the writers to slap the audience with the point. Many of the jokes in the show worked because they were satire that we could just enjoy. Jamm was the equivalent of explaining the punchline three or four times to someone who doesn't need an explanation.

Craig was just a weak attempt at throwing in quirky comedy, but it just made his character so awkward. The passive-aggressive April and the seething anti-government Ron were done so much better (though Ron's shtick started becoming as subtle as a brick as the seasons progressed). Craig's behavior seemed to be more like "Hey, you like funny, right? This is funny. THIS IS FUNNY!!!!" But Craig was still a far better character than Sheldon from BBT.

Andy's character barely managed to avoid the same fate by having some depth. His naiveté could only be tolerated for so long, but I was able to accept him because he did become more than a one-trick pony. They kind of tried to give Craig some depth with his romance, but it was too little too late.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 12, 2015, 02:03:44 am
So is anybody else watching The 100?  The season 2 finale was amazing.  I did not expect any of the directions they went (at least, not until a few minutes before they happened).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on March 13, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
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Post by: Dsell on March 14, 2015, 03:49:52 am
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is amazing. It's a Tina Fey/Robert Carlock comedy on Netflix, and anyone who liked 30 Rock should give it a try.

RE : Parks & Rec. The finale was pretty good. I don't mind Craig, he was certainly a bit more present this season but still in small doses, and he's nowhere near as annoying as Jean-Ralphio and Mona Lisa. Jean-Ralphio was kind of funny early on, but they kept coming back to him with ever diminishing returns.

I was home sick from work today so I watched all of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt; it was really excellent.

Finished up the parks and rec finale this week as well and loved it, definitely one of the better series finales I've seen aside from the awkward Leslie-is-going-to-touch-this-character-even-if-it's-forced bit. Also, take it all back, Jean-Ralphio and sister are amazing. Make the spin-off now! The way characters are painted is my absolute favorite part of the show, and is typically elegantly done: quirky but believable at first, then reaching absurd levels after you know them a bit better.

I need to catch up on season 2 of Broad City!
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 14, 2015, 09:53:45 pm
Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
I watched most of the first episode.  Can't figure out how it can be anything but a one trick pony, even with the girl.  I let it go.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 14, 2015, 10:55:40 pm
Anyone watched The Last Man on Earth? Watching the first episode now.
I watched most of the first episode.  Can't figure out how it can be anything but a one trick pony, even with the girl.  I let it go.

Maybe, yeah, but I'm curious enough to see.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 15, 2015, 07:23:02 pm
Found Season 2 of Orphan Black on Amazon Prime instant streaming.. I'm on the penultimate episode right now.. I really like this show~

Edit: And, Season 3 starts next month I think.  Anyone looking for a new show should look into it.. it's not, like, perfect or anything, but I think it's very entertaining.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on March 17, 2015, 11:33:50 pm
None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on March 17, 2015, 11:34:37 pm
12 Monkeys is getting interesting...
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Post by: Kuildeous on March 17, 2015, 11:38:49 pm
None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?

I did not. I'm an episode or two behind, but now I'm intrigued to go see it. Should be able to catch it by this weekend.

12 Monkeys is getting interesting...

Yeah, I'm amazed that they're able to keep things cohesive this far. I'm still waiting for the house of cards to fall down and it turns into a Heroes mess, but so far it's still holding. The assault on Spearhead was brutal and shows that Jones is just as obsessed as the man she killed.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 17, 2015, 11:42:33 pm
None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?

I did not. I'm an episode or two behind, but now I'm intrigued to go see it. Should be able to catch it by this weekend.

Yeah,  I will watch it on hulu sometime this week.
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Post by: werothegreat on March 17, 2015, 11:47:47 pm
I've been watching Marco Polo on Netflix.  It's not too bad.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 18, 2015, 12:12:54 am
Going to watch it soon.  Feel free to babble about whatever amazing things just happened.  Should probably spoiler it for at least a day though.

Edit: oops, another page.  I was talking about The Flash.

Should I add 12 Monkeys to my list of things to watch?  I'm already adding Steven Universe, which is apparently on the same level as Gravity Falls.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on March 18, 2015, 12:26:21 am
So I'm a huge fan of flash. He's my favorite comic book hero by far. And this show just feels like reading of comic book. It's great.
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 18, 2015, 12:42:17 am
Interesting!  I once spoke with an acquaintance who was a hardcore DC Comics fan and she said she couldn't stand The Flash or Arrow because of how far they strayed from canon.  I'm not really a comics reader but it sounded silly to me because you could always consider it a retcon or just another facet of the multiverse.
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 18, 2015, 02:56:23 am
Just watched it.  Wow, a lot of stuff happened in that episode.

Wasn't Wells kind of stupid?  I mean, he obviously figured out what was happening with Cisco and that Caitlin was stalling for him, but Caitlin otherwise hadn't learned anything concrete.  leaving behind his wheelchair would only arouse further suspicion, especially when Cisco is found dead.

Speaking of which, did Caitlin find out yet?  What is Wells going to do now?  Is there any way he can possibly keep his secret at this point?

With Barry in the past, can he possibly change history that somehow allows Cisco to live and Wells to remain undiscovered?

Also, I'm a bit confused at that last scene.  It looked like he ended up in the same place as he was (stopping in the same place, seeing the same people) so did his consciousness somehow slip into his past self?  It would have been more straight-forward for there to be a second copy of himself, but then he should have seen himself...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on March 18, 2015, 06:51:36 am
Interesting!  I once spoke with an acquaintance who was a hardcore DC Comics fan and she said she couldn't stand The Flash or Arrow because of how far they strayed from canon.  I'm not really a comics reader but it sounded silly to me because you could always consider it a retcon or just another facet of the multiverse.

It's an odd complaint to me because comic book canon is generally extremely malleable. Especially for characters which have been around for decades. I mean, consider batman. He's been presented in a huge variety of ways from totally campy (like the adam west version) to the dark, gritty version. Heck, early batman shot people with guns.


Just watched it.  Wow, a lot of stuff happened in that episode.

Wasn't Wells kind of stupid?  I mean, he obviously figured out what was happening with Cisco and that Caitlin was stalling for him, but Caitlin otherwise hadn't learned anything concrete.  leaving behind his wheelchair would only arouse further suspicion, especially when Cisco is found dead.


I imagine wells knew he couldnt keep his secret forever from Cisco and has a plan to deal with the consequences. I mean, all he really needs is barry to move faster to generate enough speed force to allow wells to time travel. Wells being ousted could actually be that catalyst.

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With Barry in the past, can he possibly change history that somehow allows Cisco to live and Wells to remain undiscovered?

Also, I'm a bit confused at that last scene.  It looked like he ended up in the same place as he was (stopping in the same place, seeing the same people) so did his consciousness somehow slip into his past self?  It would have been more straight-forward for there to be a second copy of himself, but then he should have seen himself...


It does seem like there's only one past barry (instead of two), but I guess we'll see. Time travel has never been handled very consistently with the flash comics. It does seem barry will undo cisco's death and wells' reveal. And the whole Iris thing (though that he'll remember). But the audience gets a huge amount of information which should come out pretty soon again anyway. And this all seems like a really interesting take on Reverse Flash.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 18, 2015, 12:26:16 pm
It also seems a bit stupid that Wells didn't get rid of the holographic evidence against himself.
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Post by: Jorbles on March 18, 2015, 01:27:21 pm
New Community on Yahoo is actually super good. If were worried about it, the new episodes seem as strong as anything that came out in the 2nd or 3rd season. Not sure what it would be like to just pick it up there after giving up when the show was weaker in season's 4 and 5 as the show's cast has changed quite a bit, but if (like me) you had just kinda stuck with it even though it wasn't as good, Community is back.

For those wondering, the reason they give for Shirley leaving the show is actually quite well handled as a joke on the show. (The actual reason being that the actress asked to be let out of her contract to look after her sick father.)
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Post by: Teproc on March 18, 2015, 06:43:30 pm
I wouldn't go so far as to say this was 2nd season or 3rd season level material, but the second episode was quite good. Not that surprising though, season 5 was good too. Not as great as it once was, but considering the extraordinary circumstances, quite strong.
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Post by: Kuildeous on March 18, 2015, 07:05:10 pm
After years of watching things like Groundhog Dog, Run Lola Run, and the GvE episode based on Run Lola Run, I could tell that scene in Flash was going to be revisited. But I did expect something like Run Lola Run, and that wasn't the case, so I'm glad it was still a surprise for me.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Ozle on March 18, 2015, 07:11:12 pm
None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?
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I gave up after 4 or 5 episodes. Rather boring and predictable and quite childlike I found.

Did it get better then?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on March 18, 2015, 07:45:19 pm
I wouldn't go so far as to say this was 2nd season or 3rd season level material, but the second episode was quite good. Not that surprising though, season 5 was good too. Not as great as it once was, but considering the extraordinary circumstances, quite strong.

Tomato, tomato.

I thought it was really strong, but I respect your opinion as TV show liking is extremely subjective.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on March 18, 2015, 07:56:46 pm
None of my IRL friends watch it, so I have to just say it here. HOLY CRAP DID ANYONE SEE THE FLASH TONIGHT!?
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I gave up after 4 or 5 episodes. Rather boring and predictable and quite childlike I found.

Did it get better then?

The first few episodes were a bit formulaic. It does break out of that somewhat (though it's still often villain of the week format), but if you didn't like them at all, I'm not sure you'll ever really get into it. It is, at it's heart, a comic book show, and it has a much more comic-y feel than most other modern live action comic shows/movies. It's also a bit lighter than the modern trend of dark and brooding. It's just a fun and energetic show that doesn't take itself too seriously.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 05, 2015, 03:03:21 pm
So, The Walking Dead.  I think Season 5 has been the best.  Maybe the second half of Season 4 exceeds it.  I like the story telling style.. sometimes I want more action, but I like the slow build.  I also think it's better if watched together with no commercials, but unfortunately I watch them all as they air.

(Don't read ahead if you haven't watched Season 5 yet, I guess.)

Anyway, thinking back, I think my favorite episode was when Abraham and co. move ahead to go to Washington.  I like everything about Abraham in that episode, especially his speeches. ("We can get through!  I knot it!")  I knew the reveal was coming because I had seen the comics, but I still think it was done very well.  I wonder what it would have been like to see it with no knowledge of what would happen.

The Season 5 opener was amazing, of course, and I liked the finale, too.  I had thought the story would progress a lot farther, but I'm happy with where it is.  I'm really excited for the next two seasons.

Comic spoilers, don't read unless you've read them all: I hope they go a different direction with Abraham.  I'm thinking it might be possible because of the heart-to-heart he and Eugene had last episode.  In the comics, they almost don't talk at all until later.  But I have a fear he'll meet the same fate.  Anyway, I really like the actor and the character in the show, so I want him to be a permanent.    Also, he says the best things.  ("Mother dick!")

I'm thinking Season 6 will deal with the wolves for the first 2-3 episodes.  Some of it will probably be ambushes/attacks in the woods or picking off runners, but it will probably end with the same kind of gunfight showdown at the gates.   In the comics, this entire thing was only a few pages (the Scavengers), but I think they'll spread it out a lot longer here.  The show moves a lot more slowly than the comics do. This gunfight at Alexandria gates will attract the herd, which will be the big thing in the first half of the season.  All the while there will be a transfer of power from Deanna to Rick, and some drama there.  Post-herd the focus will be on building the community, fortifying Alexandria, and making it self sufficient.  In the second half, I think they'll meet Jesus and go to Hilltop.  The season will probably end with either them promising to take care of Negan, or them meeting Negan with the pivotal bat scene.  Season 7 will basically be All Out War.

They'll probably throw in some things that aren't from the comics as well. If they stick to only comic storylines, they could probably meet Negan by the second half of Season 6.  But judging from what they've done in the past, they'll add some new things.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 15, 2015, 01:21:20 am
So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on April 15, 2015, 02:03:01 am
On the Walking Dead:

The show has definitely gotten a lot better since the midpoint in season 4. I think the back half of four was the most successful arc the show has done so far, but all of 5 was much better than most of what came before it. I will say that I didn't care for the hospital plotline with Beth... the villain character there didn't really amount to much and Beth's choices didn't fit the character. The doctor was the only interesting character in that whole thing.

And while I like the Alexandria community, it's still frustrating when so much of the tension stems from characters behaving totally irrationally: like the mayor lady's idiot son, or even dumber friend, or the alcoholic surgeon, or the crazy priest, or Sasha.

But I'm nitpicking. The show has gotten a lot better.

I'm wary, though, of this Wolves plotline, because I grow weary of increasingly deranged human villains who are just too irrationally savage to actually survive. I think they pulled it off (narrowly) with the Terminus people, but the Governor was just awful.

On the plus side, I finally feel like the main cast contains enough characters who are actually interesting and worthy of us caring about them. Carol, Rick, Michonne, and Daryl have been awesome for a long time, but Abraham, Eugene, and even Rosita have really come into their own.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Lekkit on April 15, 2015, 02:59:24 am
So, The Walking Dead.

This season made me actually bust out the comics to reread them. I think that's a good review.

I agree the Hospital arc didn't do much. It was interesting because I didn't know what was going to happen. But at the same time, they just switched out one pretty uninteresting kid (Beth) for another (Noah), which they later killed. What really bugs me, though, is that Glenn didn't care his sister-in-law died, but when Noah died he totally flipped out. In general I feel like people are affected more by random deaths/events than others. And then they move on by going back to how they were before the deat/other event. Some characters are changed over time. Carol is a good example.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 15, 2015, 09:24:55 am
So, The Walking Dead.

This season made me actually bust out the comics to reread them. I think that's a good review.

I agree the Hospital arc didn't do much. It was interesting because I didn't know what was going to happen. But at the same time, they just switched out one pretty uninteresting kid (Beth) for another (Noah), which they later killed. What really bugs me, though, is that Glenn didn't care his sister-in-law died, but when Noah died he totally flipped out. In general I feel like people are affected more by random deaths/events than others. And then they move on by going back to how they were before the deat/other event. Some characters are changed over time. Carol is a good example.

I get that, but in my mind, hey, he got sad about it off camera.  I don't think we necessarily need to be exposed to everything, and I also don't think everything should be taken at face value.  Some things that people point out as continuity errors or oversights are, I think, stylistic choices that are meant to be symbolic of something.

Also, with Beth, I think everyone chalked her up for lost after the prison.  Even after they met up with Daryl and he said she was still alive, I doubt anyone had any real hope (except for Daryl) that she could actually survive.  And, Glen saw Noah eaten alive right in front of him, entirely due to someone else's cowardness and stupidity. Noah also represented something, specifically to Glen.  They talked about this on Talking Dead after the episode, I think.  He kind of represented the group (specifically, Glen) back at the beginning.  Noah hadn't really lived "outside" all that long; he was still a good person, innocent in a way, but still had what it took to survive.  His loss was senseless, and it just emphasized that the Alexandria citizens did not have what it took to survive.  They've just been getting lucky.

I didn't think Beth was really uninteresting.  I liked her episode with Daryl back in Season 4, and I liked when she started fighting in the hospital.  I get what people are saying about the hospital episode being a bit boring, but man, when hit that cop over the head and let the suicide girl eat him up, that was just awesome.  I was really excited to see what would happen when she took the scalpel and set out with death in her eyes, but then Carol came in.  I was hoping her whole arc from this would be to emerge as a survivor and a valued member of the group.

I also liked Noah.  The world needs people that are thinking and planning, and he had the right idea with wanting to learn to build walls.

As for villains that are just too savage, well, I have a feeling we haven't seen the most savage of them yet...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 15, 2015, 09:25:15 am
So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 15, 2015, 10:26:38 am
So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

My Facebook news feed is filled with nerdgasms about this show. I just got back from vacation and have a lot of catching up to do anyway, so it'll be a while before I can get to Daredevil. I should watch it early, though, as I'm sure that early activity will convince them to film additional seasons, so I should do my part and become a statistic.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on April 15, 2015, 11:25:45 am
So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

It's the most graphically violent "mainstream" superhero show, to the point that I can't watch it. Which is a shame (and my own problem, not blaming the show here). Just a heads-up for anyone with gore issues.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 15, 2015, 11:42:35 am
So, anybody finished with Daredevil yet?

Ooh, I haven't started it.  Is it good?

I liked it.  Voltaire is right, very gory. The choreography is outstanding though, and the villains actually got some character development.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on April 15, 2015, 12:20:24 pm
Is it more gory than Hannibal?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 15, 2015, 12:33:59 pm
Is it more gory than Hannibal?

Don't know, haven't watched Hannibal.  I don't think it was actually that bad.  People occasionally lose body parts and there's a fair amount of blood.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Dsell on April 16, 2015, 12:10:55 am
Is it more gory than Hannibal?

Don't know, haven't watched Hannibal.

There's your problem. Watch Hannibal.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on April 16, 2015, 08:23:11 am
Justified wrapped up about as good as any show I've watched from beginning to end.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 18, 2015, 07:29:56 pm
On Episode 2 of Daredevil.  Pretty good so far.  I don't really see an issue with blood/gore/violence.. maybe it gets worse.  There's a good deal of visual blood, but, hey, he's out on the street slugging it out with baddies every night.   
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2015, 07:41:46 pm
On Episode 2 of Daredevil.  Pretty good so far.  I don't really see an issue with blood/gore/violence.. maybe it gets worse.  There's a good deal of visual blood, but, hey, he's out on the street slugging it out with baddies every night.   

Right.  It's not that bad.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on April 18, 2015, 09:26:27 pm
Keep watching. Gore spoilers: there are multiple instances of compound fractures, and at one point a guy gets decapitated.

I'm not saying it's the goriest thing ever. I am saying, be aware it's more than most shows/movies (especially in the modern superhero genre, that's the big thing).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 18, 2015, 10:16:14 pm
Finished episode 4.  Man this show is good.

I get there's some violent stuff.. I guess I'm just not too bothered by it.  Honestly, I think it's good in a way.  It gives you, as the viewer, a feeling that something is at stake.  Like, the hero can really get hurt.. people can really die, in horrible ways.  There are victims, and it isn't just an abstract fact; it's visceral.  Compared to, say, a show like Gotham, it just feels like the stakes are higher, and that gets you a little more involved and immersed in the show.

But, yes, it is more violent than most movies and shows, even in the superhero genre.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 19, 2015, 03:10:18 am
The violence in Daredevil is more like the gritty superhero movies like Kickass. It doesn't bother me, but I would definitely steer my nephews away from it.

One thing I notice is that the director really loves filming. You can see the care he takes in setting up the shots, from the reflections in the sunglasses to the continuous fight scene in the hallway. I'm not sure if both of those were shot by the same director, but both scenes were done with love for the craft.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on April 20, 2015, 02:25:31 pm
The violence in Daredevil is more like the gritty superhero movies like Kickass. It doesn't bother me, but I would definitely steer my nephews away from it.

One thing I notice is that the director really loves filming. You can see the care he takes in setting up the shots, from the reflections in the sunglasses to the continuous fight scene in the hallway. I'm not sure if both of those were shot by the same director, but both scenes were done with love for the craft.

Yeah I agree. Daredevil has some wonderful movie quality action scenes. That hallway fight in particular is beautifully shot.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 20, 2015, 02:29:03 pm
Also, I just thought yesterday.. the guy playing Daredevil (Charlie Cox) reminds me of Will Graham (Hugh Dancy) in Hannibal.  Kind of in the way he talks.. like his pauses and facial expressions.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: theory on April 20, 2015, 02:36:00 pm
Just finished episode 3.  There were definitely a few butt-clenchingly gruesome scenes so far.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 24, 2015, 11:01:08 am
I finished season 1 of 12 Monkeys. I'm a little less enthused about the series now. I went into it with trepidation and actually found it better than I expected. But now it's getting a bit muddled. It reminds me of the end of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and that disturbs me. I guess I'll see if there's a second season, but I'm not all that hopeful. I knew that things would get funky with time travel, and it's starting to quagmire (sure that's a verb).

I'll say that it's neat how the characters have grown. I wasn't expecting his best friend to betray the entire operation or her husband to sell Cole out, though that latter plot development wasn't too surprising when it happened.

The Flash has picked up steam again. I was bored with the bee lady. That episode just didn't feel like it was going anywhere. Now the Wells story is unraveling at a more enjoyable pace.

I think I'm 6 episodes behind on Gotham. I think Mark Hamill was the last episode I saw. We've just had other shows to watch first, and Daredevil showing up on Netflix didn't help matters any. Is Gotham still doing decently? Without spoilers, of course.

The downside to watching Flash is that I'm getting spoilers for Arrow. I might be as far as Season 2 on Arrow now. Been focusing on DVR shows mostly (except for Daredevil).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 24, 2015, 11:32:49 am
Mark Hamill was in Gotham?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 24, 2015, 11:51:41 am
Mark Hamill was in Gotham?

Crap, you know what? I got my shows mixed up. He was in the Flash. That's the danger of the villain-of-the-week format.

I remember some hoopla about the Joker being on Gotham. I have not gotten that far yet. But I had Mark Hamill in my head from the Flash, and since he voiced the Joker, I conflated the two. Not having seen the Joker episode of Gotham but seeing the "Joker" episode of the Flash, I got confused.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 24, 2015, 11:53:47 am
Ah.  Gotham is getting both simultaneously better and worse.  It's hard to explain. 

I was pretty happy with 12 Monkeys.  Not, like, a paragon of TV awesomeness, but a show I was at least interested in seeing every week.  On a similar note, Orphan Black is back with its third season.  The premiere was last Saturday.  Again, not best show ever, but a fun show to watch.

Daredevil is just awesome.  I'm on episode 11 (of 13 I think).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on April 24, 2015, 12:02:32 pm
Gotham is what it is at this point, you have to suspend belief often and the cliffhangers have maybe been less effective lately, but I'm holding out hope this could be one of those shows that gets better in later seasons when they are done with introducing new characters and setting up future plot lines. Certain casting changes for season 2 aren't going to hurt, that's for sure.

I've only heard positive about Daredevil, so I watched the first episode and I must say I wasn't impressed. Not that I thought it sucked, but Daredevil's partner seemed like a horrible character, and there was an awful lot of fighting sequences which I admit were well done, but I don't know if it was that the character is blind or what, but they were very dark and hard to follow. I guess it also bothers me that I have no idea why this guy is kicking ass even though he is blind. Did the acid give him super powers or something?

Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 24, 2015, 12:04:03 pm
Gotham is what it is at this point, you have to suspend belief often and the cliffhangers have maybe been less effective lately, but I'm holding out hope this could be one of those shows that gets better in later seasons when they are done with introducing new characters and setting up future plot lines. Certain casting changes for season 2 aren't going to hurt, that's for sure.

I've only heard positive about Daredevil, so I watched the first episode and I must say I wasn't impressed. Not that I thought it sucked, but Daredevil's partner seemed like a horrible character, and there was an awful lot of fighting sequences which I admit were well done, but I don't know if it was that the character is blind or what, but they were very dark and hard to follow. I guess it also bothers me that I have no idea why this guy is kicking ass even though he is blind. Did the acid give him super powers or something?

Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!

Man, he's a superhero.  He can do, like, super things.  That's how these things go.

They go into more detail on his background and abilities as episodes go on.  There's a lot of flashback narrative, which I like.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 24, 2015, 02:05:12 pm
Haven't watched the second episode yet because the friend I was watching with hated it, but I might in the future. Convince me guys!

I understood that Daredevil basically had sonar, but I never read the comics, so I'm only going off of hearsay. As a gamer, I wasn't really interested in Daredevil just because it seems kind of cheaty in an RPG sense to give a character the disadvantage of being blind while loading him up with abilities to offset that blindness. But then, in an RPG, you can say, "My character is technically blind, but since I have other abilities, I get no points for it; it's just for story purposes."

So for a while I didn't care about a hero who was blind but not blind. This show transcends that. It's interesting enough storywise. And really, blindness is not a disadvantage for him. In fact, Daredevil is quite super with his other abilities. He can hear heartbeats from across the room and know when someone's lying. He can feel when someone is sneaking up behind him. He can diagnose hairline fractures by pushing slightly on a bone. He's far more capable than a sighted person, so he's a superhuman.

If the first episode didn't sell you, then I don't know what I can say to sell it more. I didn't think the first episode was spectacular, but it was interesting enough to reel me in. The characters are all engaging. Even though Foggy seems vapid, he has a certain charm that lets you overlook that. And, well, like all supporting characters who hang around secret superheroes, he falls afoul of something or another.

The cinematography is pretty good. I noticed this guy loves filming. There are some neat shots, especially framing the character in the reflection in Matt's sunglasses. There's a hallway fight scene that is reminiscent of Oldboy, and it's shot with absolutely no cutaways. There's an interesting scene where the camera swivels from the point of view from within a cab all the way around.

I dunno. See if the second and/or third episodes capture your attention. While I wouldn't say that the first episode was super, I find it strange to go so far as to hate it. I'm guessing it's related to the inability to suspend disbelief with Daredevil's abilities? Certainly if someone comes in with the attitude of "oh great, he's blind but he's not," then that can make attaching to the character more difficult.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 24, 2015, 02:16:33 pm
Blindness is kind of, like, a metaphor.  The opening sequence is pretty good about this (blind scale of justice).  He can't see, but he knows when people are telling the truth or not.  And he's a lawyer~

I think it starts picking up after the first few episodes.  Especially when Vincent D'Onofrio shows up.  (He's one of my favorite actors.)  The hallway fight scene was episode 2, I think, and I really liked it as well. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 24, 2015, 02:21:01 pm
Blindness has drawbacks too.  He can't read maps and plans in the enemy HQ, for example.  And there are ways to trick or overwhelm his senses.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: juffowup on April 28, 2015, 12:33:08 am
I only know it from the bad Ben Affleck movie, but Daredevil's other senses give him the ability to interpolate information about location, etc.  Episodes past the first let you intuit this, but in a less dumb way than I'm describing (and than it is, probably.)

The thing I love most about Daredevil is the weird meta fact that after the first three episodes or so, it's much more a show about the villain (Vincent D'Onofrio) than it is a show about the hero.  The same technique was used to good effect in my favorite of the Law & Order's, Criminal Intent, which was designed to be a Columbo-style detective show that was much more about the villains than it was about the detective (Vincent D'Onofrio).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: enfynet on April 28, 2015, 12:35:47 am
Deborah Ann Woll (the blonde in Daredevil) reminds me a awful lot of my first girlfriend. And they're the same age.

I've only gotten through the first 3 or 4 episodes so far.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Lekkit on April 28, 2015, 02:57:44 am
Anyone seen iZombie? Watched the first episode, and I think it has potential to be pretty nice.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on April 28, 2015, 03:38:56 am
Silicon Valley is good right now! It's going to be a great season.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on April 28, 2015, 10:00:01 am
Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: enfynet on April 28, 2015, 02:17:28 pm
Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
Well, I've only seen Season 1 of SHIELD, so I can't really say how much AoU will spoil, if anything.

Then again, I watched all the Phase Two movies before watching any of SHIELD and didn't feel like anything was given away ahead of time. Keep in mind, AoU was filmed with the idea that a LOT of people will have only watched The Avengers (2012) and nothing else before this. So connections to other things (movies/TV) will be very limited in this movie, but readily apparent in those other things.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 29, 2015, 12:12:21 am
Gah, we're like six episodes behind on Agents of SHIELD, and we're going to see Avengers 2. Hmm, perhaps I should ask my European friends who have already seen the movie (and SHIELD) if it's that important to be up to date on SHIELD. Although I suspect Avengers may ruin some of the suspense in SHIELD since that show tends to shape itself on the Marvel movies as they come out.
Well, I've only seen Season 1 of SHIELD, so I can't really say how much AoU will spoil, if anything.

Then again, I watched all the Phase Two movies before watching any of SHIELD and didn't feel like anything was given away ahead of time. Keep in mind, AoU was filmed with the idea that a LOT of people will have only watched The Avengers (2012) and nothing else before this. So connections to other things (movies/TV) will be very limited in this movie, but readily apparent in those other things.

Tonight's episode seems to have some setup for AoU.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on April 29, 2015, 01:32:29 pm
So, penultimate Gotham episode.. I found myself simultaneously thinking "this is so stupid" and kind of liking it.  I realized the show should be viewed as more of a dark comedy.   The entire thing with Barbara convinced me of that.   Originally, I was hoping that it would be more of a gritty drama.  This change of expectation makes it a little better, maybe. The writing is still fairly bad in places. (They could have given the Ogre more interesting things to say than "You're the one," for instance.)  But, hey, people are dying with hapless abandon, and that can only improve the show. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 05, 2015, 12:30:14 am
Well, Season Finale of Gotham sucked.  Except next season may actually be better because the worst characters in the history of television were finally killed off.  As usual, Riddler was the redeeming part.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on May 05, 2015, 05:41:33 am
Agreed on all counts. It sucked, Riddler was the only redeeming part and next season still feels somewhat promising.

Sadly I think we only got rid of one of the two, though? Still of course a considerable improvement.

Is season 2 confirmed? When will it begin?

I'm already dreading how they'll get Barbara and Jim back together eventually. Maybe same sort of techniques that were used on Butch will be utilized? If they just killed Barbara now, oh it's a joyous day in the Gotham universe.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 05, 2015, 09:10:07 am
Agreed on all counts. It sucked, Riddler was the only redeeming part and next season still feels somewhat promising.

Sadly I think we only got rid of one of the two, though? Still of course a considerable improvement.

Is season 2 confirmed? When will it begin?

I'm already dreading how they'll get Barbara and Jim back together eventually. Maybe same sort of techniques that were used on Butch will be utilized? If they just killed Barbara now, oh it's a joyous day in the Gotham universe.

Oh, yeah, I was thinking Barbara got beaten to death, but I guess she was just knocked unconscious.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 05, 2015, 06:29:02 pm
I'm not caught up, but you know they can't really kill Barbara, right?  She's canon end game.  Unless ridiculous things are happening in the last few episodes (I think I'm 3-4 behind).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 05, 2015, 06:29:52 pm
Enjoy ridiculous things.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 05, 2015, 06:39:00 pm
Enjoy ridiculous things.

Well OK then.  Maybe I will move Gotham up on my list.  Flash and Agents of SHIELD still have priority though...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 05, 2015, 10:22:07 pm
Not necessarily new, but I recently watched Archer seasons 1-5 (everything on netflix right now), and I just watched the first 5 minutes of Bob's Burgers.  Having the same voice actor for Archer and Bob is just magical.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on May 05, 2015, 10:23:58 pm
If you like Bob's Burgers, prepare for it to explode in quality in Season 3 (seasons 1 and 2 were written as one full season, then split and aired as two shorter seasons). What I'm saying is, if you like it, you're going to like it more.

And I personally believe even if you don't like it it's worth starting at Season 3, anybody here who watched early episodes and wasn't a fan.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2015, 05:55:51 pm
Disappointed in how little impact AoU had on Agents of SHIELD.  Last year's Winter Soldier had huge repercussions on the show.  Granted, the show is currently in a much more interesting place than it was last year anyway, so I guess it's fine doing its own thing.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: enfynet on May 07, 2015, 12:12:39 am
Disappointed in how little impact AoU had on Agents of SHIELD.  Last year's Winter Soldier had huge repercussions on the show.  Granted, the show is currently in a much more interesting place than it was last year anyway, so I guess it's fine doing its own thing.
It seems like most of AoS happens in North America. Most of AoU, outside of Stark (Avengers) Tower and New Avengers Facility, seemed to take place in Europe.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 13, 2015, 03:34:45 am
Caught up on Gotham.  OK, I wasn't expecting that.  Well, I mean, I didn't expect it before I started catching up, though I did expect exactly that when the Ogre took Barbara to her parents house.  No idea what they're going to do with that.  I almost expect them to just have a single episode hand-waving reset in the season 2 premiere.  Also surprised at the plot development at Wayne Manor.

Just watched Agents of Shield season finale.  Oh man, that ending. :'(
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on May 14, 2015, 09:05:10 pm
So....CSI: Cyber

I don't watch it, but I'm in the room when it's playing. Is this show really as bad as I'm led to believe? It just strikes me as some of the worst writing. I'm reminded of how I dismissed Scorpion when it premiered. Does anyone actually watch it? Does anyone like it?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Eevee on May 21, 2015, 11:32:11 am
I'm doing a rewatch of Hannibal in preparation for season 3. I'm at the beginning of S2 now, it holds up the second viewing very well. I'm pumped for season 3!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 22, 2015, 08:52:42 am
So Icelandair provides a decent amount of in-flight entertainment (at no additional cost).  I watched about four or five episodes of Flash, and almost got through the first season of Peaky Blinders (didn't finish the last episode).  Peaky Blinders isn't an American show, but it's good and worth watching. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on May 22, 2015, 09:31:48 am
Anybody watch Wayward Pines? I think that's the right name. I meant to record it, but I missed the opportunity. I may see if my DVR can play it back or maybe play it from the Fox website. It looks kind of interesting, but I also see it as having the potential of being awful. Hoping for the former.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on May 23, 2015, 07:19:44 pm
This is why we can't have smart television. The Flash is getting ready to collide with an accelerated proton because science. Before going in, the nerdy Cisco says, "May the speed force be with you." This was the perfect time to say, "May the mass times acceleration be with you," but you know that most of the audience wouldn't get that. Lost opportunity, man. Lost opportunity.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on May 23, 2015, 07:27:19 pm
The wife and I watched Daredevil all the way thru, partly off recommendations is this thread. We were NOT impressed. It started out interesting, but man did the plot get boring fast. Bad writing, very expository, way too much stuff happening at night where you can barely even see anyone... But the absolute deal breaker is the actor playing Fisk, who did a pitifully pathetic job, admittedly with bad material. He was such a one dimensional, temperamental baby all the time. He just ate up and spat out every scene he was in. And his line delivery--so melodramatic, ugh.

I liked the other villains, Gao and The Owl, but Fosk just ate up so much screen time the show was borderline unwatchable in the home stretch. I think you would have to be blindly in love with the source material to like this show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on May 23, 2015, 07:28:17 pm
Oh, that's a pun, I guess.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on May 23, 2015, 07:37:45 pm
This is why we can't have smart television. The Flash is getting ready to collide with an accelerated proton because science. Before going in, the nerdy Cisco says, "May the speed force be with you." This was the perfect time to say, "May the mass times acceleration be with you," but you know that most of the audience wouldn't get that. Lost opportunity, man. Lost opportunity.

Or the speedforce is a central concept to the flash mythos, and makes perfect sense in that situation, much more than giving the formula for force.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 23, 2015, 07:46:53 pm
The wife and I watched Daredevil all the way thru, partly off recommendations is this thread. We were NOT impressed. It started out interesting, but man did the plot get boring fast. Bad writing, very expository, way too much stuff happening at night where you can barely even see anyone... But the absolute deal breaker is the actor playing Fisk, who did a pitifully pathetic job, admittedly with bad material. He was such a one dimensional, temperamental baby all the time. He just ate up and spat out every scene he was in. And his line delivery--so melodramatic, ugh.

I liked the other villains, Gao and The Owl, but Fosk just ate up so much screen time the show was borderline unwatchable in the home stretch. I think you would have to be blindly in love with the source material to like this show.

I don't really know the source material but I still enjoyed it.  Dunno.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 23, 2015, 08:01:15 pm
Anybody watch Wayward Pines? I think that's the right name. I meant to record it, but I missed the opportunity. I may see if my DVR can play it back or maybe play it from the Fox website. It looks kind of interesting, but I also see it as having the potential of being awful. Hoping for the former.

Just watched the first two episodes; it's interesting.  Would be better with more David Lynch influence I think, but still interesting.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on May 24, 2015, 06:31:14 am
@Robz re Wilson Fisk : My opinion on his performance is... very mixed. Obviously he's chewing scenery, and sometimes that works, since you know, this is a comic book world (as a sidenote, I do not read comic books, so I do not care about source material). Many actually love his performance... I'm mixed personally, but I thought it was interesting to watchat least.

But rally what makes the show for me is the Foggy/Karen/Matt relationship. Which is not particularly original, but it's well done, especially in the episode where Foggy learns about Daredevil. Not a great show by any means, and I get how Vincent d'Onofrio/Wilson Fisk can be off-putting, but as someone who has no attachment or knowledge of the source material, I did still enjoy it.

What did you think of Wilson Fisk's henchman, Wesley's the name I think ? He was also hamming it up, but I found him absolutely delightful.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2015, 07:40:06 am
I thought Vincent D'Onofrio's performance was great.  It was one of my favorite things about the show; especially when you see him lose control.  The episode that focused on him (where they showed him as a kid) was probably my favorite. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on May 24, 2015, 10:19:15 am
@Robz re Wilson Fisk : My opinion on his performance is... very mixed. Obviously he's chewing scenery, and sometimes that works, since you know, this is a comic book world (as a sidenote, I do not read comic books, so I do not care about source material). Many actually love his performance... I'm mixed personally, but I thought it was interesting to watchat least.

But rally what makes the show for me is the Foggy/Karen/Matt relationship. Which is not particularly original, but it's well done, especially in the episode where Foggy learns about Daredevil. Not a great show by any means, and I get how Vincent d'Onofrio/Wilson Fisk can be off-putting, but as someone who has no attachment or knowledge of the source material, I did still enjoy it.

What did you think of Wilson Fisk's henchman, Wesley's the name I think ? He was also hamming it up, but I found him absolutely delightful.

The Foggy/Karen/Matt dynamic was okay, but certainly not better than an average-quality TV show.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on May 24, 2015, 10:22:08 am
I thought Vincent D'Onofrio's performance was great.  It was one of my favorite things about the show; especially when you see him lose control.  The episode that focused on him (where they showed him as a kid) was probably my favorite.

So your reaction seems to be the more common one, and I am completely mystified. I would rank his performance as among the worst I have ever seen in any TV show. I prefer "plausible" villains with some layers. He was just an irritated bald baby doing a terrible Shakespeare impression while wining about "my city this, my city that." What do you mean lose control? He was never in control. He flew off the handle every time something went wrong. And ugh, that generic backstory.

I really hated it, you guys.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on May 24, 2015, 11:45:28 am
I'll admit that every time someone says "this city" on Daredevil (mostly Wilson Fisk and Matt Murdock), I chuckle. But yeah, it's the tone they're going for, and obviously that doesn't always work for everyone, nor should it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2015, 01:07:47 pm
I thought Vincent D'Onofrio's performance was great.  It was one of my favorite things about the show; especially when you see him lose control.  The episode that focused on him (where they showed him as a kid) was probably my favorite.

So your reaction seems to be the more common one, and I am completely mystified. I would rank his performance as among the worst I have ever seen in any TV show. I prefer "plausible" villains with some layers. He was just an irritated bald baby doing a terrible Shakespeare impression while wining about "my city this, my city that." What do you mean lose control? He was never in control. He flew off the handle every time something went wrong. And ugh, that generic backstory.

I really hated it, you guys.

Right, but when he wasn't flying off the handle you could tell he was just barely keeping it contained.   A child killing his own father is not that generic, but even if it were, who cares?  The performance was very good and true to the character that was being portrayed.. (I mean the TV character, I never really read the comics).  Perhaps the motivations were not that believable, but as far as supervillains go it was better than most.

Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2015, 01:09:06 pm
Also, Wesley was great, and the entire unveiling of Kingpin was good.  I like how they didn't actually show him until episode 3 or so.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on May 24, 2015, 01:53:58 pm
Also, Wesley was great, and the entire unveiling of Kingpin was good.  I like how they didn't actually show him until episode 3 or so.

I liked that too. I wish they had continued not showing him.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2015, 05:29:56 pm
Also, Wesley was great, and the entire unveiling of Kingpin was good.  I like how they didn't actually show him until episode 3 or so.

I liked that too. I wish they had continued not showing him.

I'm probably not going to be able to see it from your perspective.  To me it was just about as good of a superhero adaptation as there has been.  I liked the characters, and I cared about them.  I was engrossed in what drove them, what their struggles were, their safety/wellbeing, their emotional state, etc.  I liked the storytelling, especially how it was drawn out, and you would get backstory through flashback to give more insight on the characters.

Also, the scene in the Trask episode where they show his morning routine, obviously the same every single morning, with an array of identical suits and shirts, and finally when he looks at the mirror and you see a little boy staring back.. I thought that was amazingly well done.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on May 24, 2015, 07:28:58 pm
In the next couple of weeks, Season Two of The Last Ship starts.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on May 26, 2015, 01:10:05 pm
For Silicon Valley fans (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/15/silicon-valley-read-let-blaine-die-swot-board).  You will have want to have watched last Sunday's episode.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on May 26, 2015, 03:58:09 pm
Binge-watched Gotham since I was so far behind. I only have the season finale to watch (hopefully tonight). I recall reading not-so-positive reviews of it, so I won't raise my expectations.

It does feel like the plotlines were just scattered all over the place. I always felt that Bruce's story arc was unnecessary, but funnily enough, I'm finding his investigation into his company a little more interesting. Glad to see the Riddler is heading down his life of crime. I'm not too surprised that his first murder was set up so that we sympathize with Nygma. I guess his lust for crime will shortly follow. Penguin, on the other hand, is just an amoral shit, and I'm glad that he's evolving into this villain that we just can't feel sorry for (his mother, on the other hand, is very sympathy-worthy). I kind of enjoyed watching him spark the mob war, though I was expecting that to come sooner.

Believe it not, I was enjoying the Fish story but not because of Fish. The story felt way out of place. It's like someone had a cool idea for a movie but couldn't pitch a screenplay for the silver screen, so he shoehorned it into Gotham. I would have enjoyed that storyline much more in an entirely different movie, though it seems odd that she'd be rewarded with undoing her act of defiance (you can see what I mean). I wasn't fond of that development.

And then Barbara… I did not feel any sympathy toward her for some reason, not even when she was being tortured. Breaking her mind was a little interesting, but it wasn't enough to grab me.

I'll have to see how these plotlines wrap up in the season finale.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on June 04, 2015, 11:19:15 pm
Hannibal premiere.  Man, I love this show.  I can't wait to see this season unfold. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on June 09, 2015, 12:53:30 am
Late to the party, but now definitely hooked on The Flash.  About 16 episodes into Season 1 so far.

Surprised I liked it, given I am neither a DC Comics or Glee fan.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on June 09, 2015, 03:15:55 am
Late to the party, but now definitely hooked on The Flash.  About 16 episodes into Season 1 so far.

Surprised I liked it, given I am neither a DC Comics or Glee fan.

I think most of the superheroes films and TV shows have done a pretty good job of being accessible to newcomers while still satisfying long-time fans with various Easter eggs and subtle references.  I've never read any of the old (or new) comics, but I'm captivated by the MCU and all the DC shows.

Glee isn't really related, other than the actor.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on June 09, 2015, 03:58:20 am
Late to the party, but now definitely hooked on The Flash.  About 16 episodes into Season 1 so far.

Surprised I liked it, given I am neither a DC Comics or Glee fan.

I think most of the superheroes films and TV shows have done a pretty good job of being accessible to newcomers while still satisfying long-time fans with various Easter eggs and subtle references.  I've never read any of the old (or new) comics, but I'm captivated by the MCU and all the DC shows.

Glee isn't really related, other than the actor.

Yeah, I knew very little of The Flaah before watching.  Didn't even realize the dad was the original Flash.

Still, seems like Glee fans would gravitate for the abs.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on June 09, 2015, 12:17:59 pm
I like the flash because it bucks the recent trend of darker and grittier comic book adaptations of late. And not that there aren't really dark comics out there that are really good, but the flash is light and fun and it's refreshing. It's a show that knows it's a comic book and embraces it. Almost feels like a live action cartoon at times. It also helps that I've always been a total flash fanboy.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on June 09, 2015, 12:35:34 pm
The Community finale was great guys. If any of you watched it in its early seasons, you should watch season 6, it's really good. Season 5 was pretty decent too.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on June 09, 2015, 12:54:01 pm
The Community finale was great guys. If any of you watched it in its early seasons, you should watch season 6, it's really good. Season 5 was pretty decent too.

I haven't watched this season yet, but I intend to.  I'm going to get to binge!

Any concrete plans for a movie yet?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on June 09, 2015, 01:00:49 pm
The Community finale was great guys. If any of you watched it in its early seasons, you should watch season 6, it's really good. Season 5 was pretty decent too.

I haven't watched this season yet, but I intend to.  I'm going to get to binge!

Any concrete plans for a movie yet?

They ended the season with the words "#AndAMovie", so the show creators are really into making one. There has been no word on the internets if one has been signed or started yet though, so I assume they are in talks to create one, but haven't finalized it yet.

Also the last episode was great. Tugged all my heart strings, and made me laugh too.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on June 09, 2015, 01:18:50 pm
I mean they left the door open, but I would bet against it, just because I have a hard time imagining a Community movie making much profit. Beyond the satisfaction of fullfilling the #sixseasonsandamovie thing, I'd be very interested to see what Harmon does with it, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on June 09, 2015, 01:20:13 pm
They could try crowdfunding it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on June 09, 2015, 01:38:16 pm
I think if Sony (the right's holder for the possible movie apparently) decides they don't want to make the movie they probably will just crowdfund it. It'll meet it's goal, do poorly at the box office and do well on Netflix/other home watching places.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on June 10, 2015, 01:39:13 am
I like the flash because it bucks the recent trend of darker and grittier comic book adaptations of late. And not that there aren't really dark comics out there that are really good, but the flash is light and fun and it's refreshing. It's a show that knows it's a comic book and embraces it. Almost feels like a live action cartoon at times. It also helps that I've always been a total flash fanboy.

I think this is spot on.

I mean, the scenes where Barry and/or Joe have to act incredibly unaware are annoying (wait, the bomb is a distraction?), and man the whole Iris thing is as bad as Lorrie in the Walking Dead, but overall, not much to complain about.

I'm not yet to Grodd, which just seems awesome.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on June 22, 2015, 10:10:57 am
So, True Detective Season 2 premiere.  I found it a little bit hard to get in to, but then again for the first season, I didn't know anything about it ahead of time and didn't start watching until the first couple episodes had aired.  I had seen a few scenes as the TV was on kind of in the background, and it intrigued me enough to watch from the beginning.  So it's hard to compare here.

So anyway, I felt a little lukewarm towards it for the first 30 minutes or so, but I gradually became involved and wanted to know what's going on, and what's up with these people, and by the end I began to like the style of it. 
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 22, 2015, 10:12:30 am
And Hannibal is still awesome.  Episode 2 of Season 3 was my favorite so far; really well done I think.

Wayward Pines is interesting.. I don't know that the plot really holds up, but it's continually making me wonder where they're going to go with things, and I like that.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on June 22, 2015, 05:34:17 pm
Looks like news broke today that NBC isn't going to renew Hannibal for Season 4 :(  There have been a lot of rumors about the showmakers looking to continue the series elsewhere (e.g., Netflix) in case this happened, so I hope that's what we get. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on June 22, 2015, 05:51:40 pm
I bet Netflix is already salivating at the possibility of picking up Hannibal.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on June 22, 2015, 10:12:06 pm
Maybe they are just thinking about his liver, with a nice Chianti and some fava beans.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on June 28, 2015, 01:52:50 am
Well, Wayward Pines has revealed the main twist (that I know of). Now it's less like the Prisoner and more like the Matrix.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on June 28, 2015, 05:57:56 am
I bet Netflix is already salivating at the possibility of picking up Hannibal.

Actually that's unlikely to happen, because Amazon has the rights to it's online streaming, and Amazon is not going to give more ammo to Netflix. And it looks like they're reluctant to pick it up themselves so... things don't look too good for Hannibal unfortunately.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on July 01, 2015, 07:35:56 pm
Did anyone see Billy & Billie, the Adam Brody vehicle made by DirecTV?

It's a ten episode season and worth watching in one sitting.  Greatly edgy, funny, and awkward all at once.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on July 02, 2015, 04:55:51 pm
Is anyone as excited as I am about Wet Hot American Summer: First Day of Camp, the new series coming at the end of the month on Netflix?

This is a prequel to Wet Hot American Summer a spoof of teen camp comedies. Both the movie and show feature some of my favourite comedians. The trailer for the show just came out:
http://splitsider.com/2015/07/heres-the-new-trailer-and-poster-for-wet-hot-american-summer-first-day-of-camp/
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: pingpongsam on July 03, 2015, 06:14:48 am
Recently started Sense8 and liking it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Voltaire on July 04, 2015, 12:04:41 am
Recently started Sense8 and liking it.

I feel obligated to watch it because they flipped a car outside my apartment during filming. Haven't done so yet.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on July 04, 2015, 05:01:48 am
It's... both great and terrible. I mostly enjoyed it, but I could see completely hating it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on July 04, 2015, 12:09:14 pm
I watched the first episode of Another Period. It's....something. Got some funny bits. Better than most of what Comedy Central puts out.

Trying to view this objectively since I have a crush on Riki.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 11, 2015, 12:18:48 am
So... Wayward Pines.  I like a lot of the ideas, but the writing seems a bit week and the dialogue seems forced.  I feel like it needs more.. quirkiness, or style, or something.  Anyway, I still want to watch the rest of it, but I'm not so interested.

The Strain Season 2 starts Sunday..  man I'm more excited for it than I thought I'd be.  So many problems, but I still want to watch it.  Really hope this season picks up.

True Detective... people on imdb boards are trashing it.  I do not understand a single criticism.. I just want to watch and watch.  Okay, doesn't have the same kind of wonderment that Season 1 did, but I think it's been great so far and I'm looking forward to learning more about these characters.

Walking Dead Season 6 trailer went out today from comic con.  It's going to be awesome.  Kind of gives away stuff, but I already knew what direction it was going. 

Hannibal last night... wow that was weird.  I have to rewatch it... I had to do work last night while I was watching and couldn't pay full attention.  I think I'll have to rewatch this entire season.

What else.. watched five seasons of Archer on Netflix.. superb.  Been watching House of Cards, on Season 2.  Very good, but politics kind of bores me, so that mitigates it a bit.

Leftovers starts in October along with Walking Dead, I think.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on July 11, 2015, 10:05:53 am
Re : True Detective, I've only watched one episode of season 2 so far, but it feels like it has become a caricature of itself. It's trying so hard to be edgy, dark and gritty that it's just laughable.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 11, 2015, 11:52:10 am
Re : True Detective, I've only watched one episode of season 2 so far, but it feels like it has become a caricature of itself. It's trying so hard to be edgy, dark and gritty that it's just laughable.

I admit I had that feeling for the first half hour or so of the first episode. Then I started to get into the story.  Rewatching, and seeing more episodes, it I liked it much better.
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Post by: Jorbles on July 12, 2015, 01:56:59 pm
Re : True Detective, I've only watched one episode of season 2 so far, but it feels like it has become a caricature of itself. It's trying so hard to be edgy, dark and gritty that it's just laughable.

I admit I had that feeling for the first half hour or so of the first episode. Then I started to get into the story.  Rewatching, and seeing more episodes, it I liked it much better.

I watched the first two episodes and wasn't particularly compelled. It seems like everyone just tries to be more brooding than the person standing next to them. Probably won't finish the season.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on July 12, 2015, 06:16:05 pm
So... Wayward Pines.  I like a lot of the ideas, but the writing seems a bit week and the dialogue seems forced.  I feel like it needs more.. quirkiness, or style, or something.  Anyway, I still want to watch the rest of it, but I'm not so interested.

I'm still an episode behind, so keep in mind that my words come from partial ignorance.

It's an interesting shift they did. And with what Kate is saying, there may be another shift. Of course, this is M. Night, so it could become a caricature of "It's a twist!"

Though I must say, that has to have been one of the most awkward sex ed classes ever. Only the Meaning of Life could have been more awkward.

I'm a bit disappointed in how they're chickening out with killing off the son. I was expecting the explosion, but that bomb was really weak. I was thinking that it's pretty edgy to kill off not just a main character but also a kid. Since she survived, I'm sure he will too.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 12, 2015, 08:20:12 pm
So... Wayward Pines.  I like a lot of the ideas, but the writing seems a bit week and the dialogue seems forced.  I feel like it needs more.. quirkiness, or style, or something.  Anyway, I still want to watch the rest of it, but I'm not so interested.

I'm still an episode behind, so keep in mind that my words come from partial ignorance.

It's an interesting shift they did. And with what Kate is saying, there may be another shift. Of course, this is M. Night, so it could become a caricature of "It's a twist!"

Though I must say, that has to have been one of the most awkward sex ed classes ever. Only the Meaning of Life could have been more awkward.

I'm a bit disappointed in how they're chickening out with killing off the son. I was expecting the explosion, but that bomb was really weak. I was thinking that it's pretty edgy to kill off not just a main character but also a kid. Since she survived, I'm sure he will too.

I agree with this.  The show would benefit from being more... risk taking, maybe.  Having a well-known actress getting her throat slit in the second episode, and killing off another big name was a good start to indicate this would not be run-of-the-mill, but the latest episodes have felt a little bit like the danger is forced.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on July 12, 2015, 10:24:37 pm
I agree with this.  The show would benefit from being more... risk taking, maybe.  Having a well-known actress getting her throat slit in the second episode, and killing off another big name was a good start to indicate this would not be run-of-the-mill, but the latest episodes have felt a little bit like the danger is forced.

Yes, I thought those moves were actually quite bold. It tells the audience that the show does not fuck around.

One thing I liked about 24 before it got ridiculously repetitive is that no character was safe. Anyone could be killed. Well, except for Jack Bauer. That was the one sacred cow that you knew they weren't going to kill. But man, how awesome if they did!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Dsell on July 13, 2015, 02:14:26 am
Tonight I discussed my top ten all time comedy shows with friends. I came up with (in vague order):

Arrested Development
Parks and Recreation
30 Rock
The Office
Please Like Me
Veep
Broad City
Happy Endings
Cougar Town
Silicon Valley
Malcolm in the Middle
(Honorable mentions go to Brooklyn 99 and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, which could make the list in their lifetimes. Seinfeld gets a mention because it is pretty legendary.)

Common threads: newer shows and no laugh tracks. I think tv comedy is getting better.

Edit: forgot to include Broad City on the list. It's now a top 11.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on July 13, 2015, 08:41:49 am
Of that list, I've watched Arrested Development, Malcolm in the Middle, and Parks and Recreation. I do think those shows are better because of the lack of laugh track.

Laugh tracks remove all subtlety from a comedy. You are told when to laugh. As a result, the jokes have to be more obvious. Even if there is an attempt at clever wordsmithing or innuendo, the producers have to bring it to the forefront because how weird is it to insert laughter at a spot that is seemingly not funny? Not to confuse this with inserting laughter after an obviously lame joke.

I've been impressed by those three shows because they had good writing and didn't need to rely on laugh tracks to tell you when they cracked a joke. In fact, I shudder to think how the shows would have looked with a laugh track. I'm sure someone did an experiment where he inserted a laugh track into an episode of a show without a laugh track. It would be pretty awkward I think.

One of my favorite gags in Arrested Development was when Gob suspected his girlfriend of cheating on him with some guy named Hermano, being totally unaware of the fact that she is speaking to her hermano, which is brother in Spanish. At one point in his ranting, he tells his own brother, "Thanks mon frere - that means brother in French. I don't know how I know that; I took 3 years of Spanish." That kind of layered joke won't hit everyone at the same time. Some people pick up on it right away. Some others need just a couple of seconds for the joke to sink in. And possibly there are some people who just won't get the connection, but they can move on because the episode is enjoyable to watch.

A laugh track after that joke would have been ugly. How do you time it? If you place it right away, then the people who need to marinate in the joke first won't have that opportunity because they're being told, "Isn't that funny?" If you place it a second after the joke, then the people who get it right away will wonder if another joke's been told. In either case, people who don't make the connection will shrug their shoulders at the weird time that there was laughter. Why is that so funny?

I loathe laugh tracks. I watch a few shows with them (That '70s Show, WKRP), but ugh. I was on a flight that showed an episode of Friends. I mostly like Friends; there were some dumb shit on that show, but they had some pretty good jokes. Putting in those cheap headphones that transmit air(?) made everything sound tinny and higher-pitched. That laugh track just drilled through my skull and humped my brain. I couldn't stand it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on July 13, 2015, 01:48:32 pm
Laugh track timing is pretty different, I think.  If you have a laugh track, the actors have to pause to give it time instead of proceeding with their lines.  You may not notice it in the moment, but it looks hilariously awful if the laugh track is removed.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 24, 2015, 08:34:14 am
So Wayward Pines ended pretty lacklusterly.. it's like ideas are okay(ish) but execution is poor. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on July 24, 2015, 01:24:18 pm
I'm enjoying Mr. Robot a lot. It inherits a lot from Fight Club, but so far seems pretty aware of the fact and just uses the fact that the audience has probably seen Fight Club as additional ways to establish how unreliable the narrator is.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 24, 2015, 01:29:43 pm
I started watching Humans. It seems pretty good so far.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on July 27, 2015, 08:28:56 am
So Wayward Pines ended pretty lacklusterly.. it's like ideas are okay(ish) but execution is poor. 

Can't disagree there. It felt rushed. There was a lot to work out, and it may have devoted too much time to the action sequence. It's like the show is telling people, "Yeah, we know it's slow-going, but here are some guns to make it all worthwhile!" I'd rather have Rover from the Prisoner.

I'm not sure if they did go this route and I just missed it, but I was thinking that it'd be cool if the first batch of subjects were wiped out by Pilcher in much the same way. In the flashback, there was a strong indication that the townspeople turned on each other, but what if the real story was that Pilcher unleashed the abbies on them as well? It could still be interpreted that way, but I think it would have really shown how insane he was if he just kept Noahing the project.

At least this show had a better resolution than the Prisoner. It wasn't a middle finger raised to the fan base.

The very ending kind of reminded me of the story (either by Dick or Heinlein; I forget) where the character discovers hanging bodies in the town and understandably freaks out, but the other people don't. They were taken over by aliens, and the freak-out was how they knew that the character was not one of them. He was captured and hung up in order to root out other nonaliens.

While the ending is interesting in that it just continues the cycle, it just seems so implausible, even taking into account the crazy zealotry of the kids. I guess they rose up against the adults ala Children of the Corn? I think they were trying to whet the audience's appetite for next season. I have my doubts that it'll happen, and I'm not sure I would watch if they did have a second season.


In general, it was a neat show. It was a little shocking at first because the show killed off a well-known actor, but the teeth were quickly dulled as the season moved on. There is room for a second season, but I might not watch it. We'll see how I feel about it if it should happen. I kind of hope it doesn't. It was a decent enough 10-hour movie.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 27, 2015, 09:03:03 am
Yeah, I agree to pretty much all of that.

In other news, last night's True Detective was awesome.  That knife move in particular, and I loved how she just went on ruthless automode when threatened..

Also, Season 2 of Rick and Morty aired last night.  Best show ever.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on July 27, 2015, 02:32:17 pm
Also, Season 2 of Rick and Morty aired last night.  Best show ever.

Are you certain about that?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 27, 2015, 02:35:21 pm
Also, Season 2 of Rick and Morty aired last night.  Best show ever.

Are you certain about that?

Yes, because I watched it last night, and multiple adverts/promos claimed it was the premiere.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on July 27, 2015, 02:42:28 pm
What might be confusing people is that the first two episodes leaked a couple weeks ago. That or eHal is pointing out that just an episode aired last night, not the whole of Season 2.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 27, 2015, 02:43:55 pm
Well let's pretend I said "premiered", as in the first episode aired.

Though actually I had assumed he was poking at the "best show ever" comment, and the joke was that I was intentionally misinterpreting him to think he was questioning the other statement.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on July 27, 2015, 02:52:55 pm
The joke was that the new episode has to do with certainty.  Come on guys.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 27, 2015, 02:56:43 pm
The joke was that the new episode has to do with certainty.  Come on guys.

Dammit!  Good call.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: TheEmerged on July 28, 2015, 12:42:35 pm
RE: Flash.  There are actually numerous callbacks to the original series.  Besides "Dad" being the original actor (and giving that whole "...and justice for my father" thing an interesting twist), they used footage from the original series during Mark Hamil's return as Trickster, the mayor of Central City was played by one of the actors for the cops in the original series, the CEO of a rival research firm to STAR Labs was the actress for Tina (the love interest\scientist from the original), the theme snuck its way into the background music several times...

...oh, and Mark Hamil's Trickster gets an absolutely evil callback to one of his other roles during that episode as well.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on July 31, 2015, 11:26:39 am
By the way, anyone watch Halt and Catch Fire?  It looks like it might be good, but sometimes these dramas take some getting in to.  Lee Pace is in it, who I've always liked when I've seen him.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on August 18, 2015, 08:54:49 am
I finally caught up on Arrow. Pretty neat season 3 arc. I've not been acquainted with Ra's al Ghul outside of Arkham City and Christopher Nolan's Batman. His actions here seem consistent with how he's portrayed in those stories.

The problem with watching season 3 now is that I already watched the Flash while it was airing. This made the crossovers a little wonky. Whilst watching Flash, I caught the Arrow cameos, but I couldn't really see the big picture. And then when binge-watching Arrow several months after having watched Flash, I had to try to remember where the story was between those two. Also, now the beginning of the Flash makes more sense to me when he travels to Starling City to confide in Oliver about his newfound hero status. Not having watched Arrow first, I wasn't even aware that Flash was really a spin-off.

And if I had not watched the Flash, I would not have known that Black Canary had some gear modified by Cisco to be more effective in crimefighting. Also, I got some spoilers on Black Canary. Whilst binge-watching, it was like one day Black Canary just suddenly gained sonic abilities.

When the new seasons of the Flash and Arrow come on board, I need to make sure I watch them concomitantly. This is not how I normally watch television shows, so it'll be a little change. Then there's like the quasi-Avengers/Justice League show based on these characters, which I'm actually looking forward to.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on August 18, 2015, 12:38:09 pm
You may have to add in Legends of Tomorrow as well, which is a second spinoff.

I felt similarly when I Netflix'd through Buffy before Angel.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on August 18, 2015, 02:24:12 pm
Yeah, bingeing through Buffy also left me with that kind of disconnect. I knew something happened off-screen, but I didn't know what it was.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on August 26, 2015, 10:07:38 am
I finished the first season of the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. It was a good series, though I feel some of my friends hyped it way more than it deserved. Still, it was better than most of the sitcom schlock on network TV, so I still win.

It was steeped in absurdity, which was part of its charm and allowed for some interesting social commentary (the black guy getting more respect in NYC when he dressed as a werewolf was amusing yet uncomfortable).

The ending of this season was weak. Mostly it was the trial that put me off. There were plenty of opportunities for poking fun at the legal system, but the inept prosecutors were just way over the top, I felt, which is a strange sentiment considering how outrageously the class warfare was framed in this show.

It ended fairly neatly. I think there was only one real cliffhanger. The other threads were tied up neatly but with enough slack that it can be pulled loose for season 2, which I think has been confirmed. I'll certainly watch it. I had thought that the whole stranger-in-a-strange-land motif would get old, but they handled it decently enough. I could certainly see it petering out in season 2, so I hope they don't beat that like a dead horse.

Thinking of trying out Wet Hot American Summer. I never saw the movie, though. I get the feeling that the movie is not required viewing.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: AHoppy on August 26, 2015, 10:12:15 am
I just finished unbreakable kimmy schmidt too.  I loved it.  I agree that the court scene wasn't great though...

I started Wet Hot American Summer because I liked a lot of the people in it, but I thought it was dumb (not having seen the movie either)
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on August 26, 2015, 11:24:44 am
I started Wet Hot American Summer because I liked a lot of the people in it, but I thought it was dumb (not having seen the movie either)

Huh, that's too bad. I know it's gotten a fairly high rating on Rotten Tomatoes, but I don't normally look there for TV shows.

I agree that the cast is impressive, and I may try it out anyway. People have different tolerance levels for dumb of different flavors, so maybe I can enjoy this one. I suppose technically someone could turn their nose up at Kimmy Schmidt because a lot of that humor is dumb, but then they'd miss out on the smart bits.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on August 26, 2015, 11:29:40 am
Watch The State.  The creative team (or various parts of it) behind that show went on to do a number of projects, including Reno 911, Stella, Wet Hot American Summer, and others.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on August 26, 2015, 02:38:02 pm
It ended fairly neatly. I think there was only one real cliffhanger. The other threads were tied up neatly but with enough slack that it can be pulled loose for season 2, which I think has been confirmed.

I actually thought this was one of the most interesting things about how the season ended. Many of the characters (Titus, Jacqueline, Xan, Dong) are in a state of transition in their lives so they can be reinvented in between seasons 1 and 2 if the writers want to. Titus recently found fame and has been revealed to be running from his wife, Jacqueline has decided to move to South Dakota, Xan has been adopted by nerdy relatives, Dong is now married for immigration reasons. I'm definitely excited to watch the second season to see how the writers take the opportunity they created to change the way the show works.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 06, 2015, 07:19:55 pm
I queued up Continuum on Netflix based on some recommendations. I don't even remember who recommended it. It's been sitting there for a while now.

This weekend I started watching it. I'm on episode 5 so far. Holy shit, this show is engaging. It has the usual weird time-travel stuff, but most time-travel stories rely on characters and plot to gloss over the weirdness of time travel. And it's really strong in plot and characters.

I think what is really reeling me in is that the bad guys have their own stories and personalities where the audience can connect with them...or at least understand them far better than just generic bad guys. I'm reminded of the replicants in Blade Runner. In such a short movie, we didn't get to truly appreciate the personalities of all of the replicants. This show is really drawing out the backstories and feeding us bit by bit. Of course, I say this after only 5 episodes.

Kind of sad I just now got into this gem. I understand from Wikipedia that the final season is airing this fall. I'll set up my DVR to be ready when I finish the first three seasons.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 07, 2015, 12:40:19 pm
I might have recommended Continuum.  Or maybe I read the same recommendation here and started it sooner.

The final season has already started airing... last Friday, I think.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 07, 2015, 08:08:25 pm
Every new episode of The Strain takes what little hope I have left that the show will redeem itself and mercilessly beats it into a bloody pulp.

Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on September 08, 2015, 02:18:17 am
I queued up Continuum on Netflix based on some recommendations. I don't even remember who recommended it. It's been sitting there for a while now.

This weekend I started watching it. I'm on episode 5 so far. Holy shit, this show is engaging. It has the usual weird time-travel stuff, but most time-travel stories rely on characters and plot to gloss over the weirdness of time travel. And it's really strong in plot and characters.

I think what is really reeling me in is that the bad guys have their own stories and personalities where the audience can connect with them...or at least understand them far better than just generic bad guys. I'm reminded of the replicants in Blade Runner. In such a short movie, we didn't get to truly appreciate the personalities of all of the replicants. This show is really drawing out the backstories and feeding us bit by bit. Of course, I say this after only 5 episodes.

Kind of sad I just now got into this gem. I understand from Wikipedia that the final season is airing this fall. I'll set up my DVR to be ready when I finish the first three seasons.

My favourite part of Continuum is that they blow up the office building I used to work at in the season finale.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 08, 2015, 09:13:11 am
Watched the first four episodes of Continuum last night.  Pretty engaging.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 20, 2015, 04:14:29 pm
Caught up with Continuum except for last Friday's episode.  It does have some flaws. (Specifically, one of the good things about the shows is that both the good guys and bad guys are developed and shades of grey, but a lot of the auxiliary characters are one-dimensional (especially in the future 'flashbacks', where everyone working for the big company is just evil and has no value of human life).  Also, some of the dilemmas that the characters find themselves in (generally for plot development) feel pretty forced.)  However, it's still pretty enjoyable to watch. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on September 21, 2015, 10:30:01 am
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on September 21, 2015, 12:37:17 pm
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.

It has it's moments, but it's mostly worth watching because season 6 is a return to form.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 21, 2015, 12:47:47 pm
Gotham starts up again tonight.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 21, 2015, 01:08:57 pm
I'm actually a little excited about Gotham. But I've been hurt before.

Speaking of betrayed trust, I'm still looking at Heroes Reborn with trepidation. I really hoped for a fresh restart with new characters and everything. But I'll give it a chance.

Community is one of those shows that's on my list to watch. Hopefully it's on Netflix but first…

Continuum is caught up through the end of the second season. I had heard the third season gets kind of weird, and I can see that at the end of season two. Season two definitely didn't have the momentum of season one, but it was still enjoyable. The complexity of the main characters is what draws me in, but I agree that the auxiliary characters don't have a whole lot going for them. Who's Betty? Who's Carlos? Apparently nobody cares.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on September 21, 2015, 03:26:50 pm
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.

It has it's moments, but it's mostly worth watching because season 6 is a return to form.

I finished 5...liked the end, started to feel like what I was used to.

I'm trying to figure out how to watch 6.  I know it's on Yahoo, but can I buy it somewhere?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on September 21, 2015, 04:24:26 pm
I think the only legal way to watch it is Yahoo. If you can't access it because you don't live in the US there isn't a legal way to watch it (but still a few ways to watch it to my knowledge).
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 21, 2015, 11:15:06 pm
I watched the pilot of Minority Report. There's something off about it. It just kind of fell flat.

The visuals are nice. It likes to show off the future tech. I'm just not feeling a connection to this show. Anyone agree? Disagree?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on September 22, 2015, 04:08:32 am
I think the only legal way to watch it is Yahoo. If you can't access it because you don't live in the US there isn't a legal way to watch it (but still a few ways to watch it to my knowledge).

I can VPN it, but do you pay Yahoo?  I went to Yahoo and searched Community and just found a bunch of clips.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 22, 2015, 09:06:54 am
Season premiere of Gotham didn't suck. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 22, 2015, 01:06:30 pm
I think the only legal way to watch it is Yahoo. If you can't access it because you don't live in the US there isn't a legal way to watch it (but still a few ways to watch it to my knowledge).

I can VPN it, but do you pay Yahoo?  I went to Yahoo and searched Community and just found a bunch of clips.

I think it's on Screen, which is Yahoo's version of Netflix.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on September 22, 2015, 01:41:19 pm
I think the only legal way to watch it is Yahoo. If you can't access it because you don't live in the US there isn't a legal way to watch it (but still a few ways to watch it to my knowledge).

I can VPN it, but do you pay Yahoo?  I went to Yahoo and searched Community and just found a bunch of clips.
I think it's on Screen, which is Yahoo's version of Netflix.
It is on Yahoo Screen, but the interface is supposed to be difficult to navigate. I'm sure it's there, but you might need to turn on the VPN to find the episodes.


Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 24, 2015, 12:34:09 am
Just watched the pilot for Blindspot.  Premise is really interesting (I'm a sucker for these odd concept sci-fi-ish shows) and the lead actress is good (Lady Sif from Thor).  The non-foundational case-of-the-week stuff in the pilot was mediocre, but there wasn't really much time for it so oh well.

Anybody else watch it?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 11:40:09 pm
Just watched the pilot for Blindspot.  Premise is really interesting (I'm a sucker for these odd concept sci-fi-ish shows) and the lead actress is good (Lady Sif from Thor).  The non-foundational case-of-the-week stuff in the pilot was mediocre, but there wasn't really much time for it so oh well.

Anybody else watch it?  Thoughts?

I've seen the previews for it.. it looks really gimmicky.  The premise reminds me of John Doe, which I don't know, didn't feel as "gimmicky" to me.  I just feel I'd have a hard time buying into it.

Anyone watch Heroes Reborn premiere?  I'm watching it now.. I didn't actually watch the original except for a few episodes.  This looks like it could be good, but some of the acting/dialogue feels a little bit .. rough?
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 11:55:15 pm

Anyone watch Heroes Reborn premiere?  I'm watching it now.. I didn't actually watch the original except for a few episodes.  This looks like it could be good, but some of the acting/dialogue feels a little bit .. rough?

Okay, it just toooooooooooootally redeemed itself with Leeroy Jenkins!.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 25, 2015, 02:22:35 am

Anyone watch Heroes Reborn premiere?  I'm watching it now.. I didn't actually watch the original except for a few episodes.  This looks like it could be good, but some of the acting/dialogue feels a little bit .. rough?

Okay, it just toooooooooooootally redeemed itself with Leeroy Jenkins!.

I have no idea what is happening in that plotline.  It is weird and confusing, and the people involved do not seem nearly confused enough.  Like, did the girl have a life before and is just now discovering that she's actually a video game character?  Or she's only recently started existing and has no problem coming to terms with it, and the other dude is just a super chill guy?  Or  is it that her father is a game developer and programmed her into the game?  What?

I am sad that they already killed off the Haitian, because I always thought he was a great character.  And I hope they have a really good reason for HRG having his own memory erased and leaving instructions to have himself killed because, man, that's already kind of cliche and rarely has a satisfactory explanation.  But given the premise, isn't it a bad idea for HRG to pursue the truth, knowing the lengths he himself went to in order to prevent himself from knowing the truth?  He's basically saying, "past me was mistaken even though he was better informed".  I suppose that is also a standard kind of plot device.

And on that note, if the Haitian was supposed to kill HRG, why not just let the receptionist with the gun do it immediately instead of heading off somewhere in the public, returning the glasses and then trying to strangle the guy who is trained to take down people with super powers?  I mean, come on.

Another nonsensical thing --the telekinetic who targeted Molly Walker, why in the world would he play along for so long after getting to the hotel room?  And when Molly threw the knife, why would he retaliate by throwing her out of the room and proceed to choke her?  Telekinesis is crazy powerful, especially against a girl who is just a super Hufflepuff (that is, she's good at finding), so he could have just knocked her out so much earlier and avoided so much risk and drama.  They probably just did that to lead the audience on.  Heh.

But despite my nitpicks, I still like the show.  Penny Guy is intriguing.  He seems to be another memory-wiper?  Though I hope they actually have something more unusual instead.  And teleporter boy seems like he has the potential to be strictly superior to Hiro, who can only teleport himself... oh wait, he can also manipulate time, never mind, Hiro is still OP.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 25, 2015, 02:42:18 am
Just watched the pilot for Blindspot.  Premise is really interesting (I'm a sucker for these odd concept sci-fi-ish shows) and the lead actress is good (Lady Sif from Thor).  The non-foundational case-of-the-week stuff in the pilot was mediocre, but there wasn't really much time for it so oh well.

Anybody else watch it?  Thoughts?

I've seen the previews for it.. it looks really gimmicky.  The premise reminds me of John Doe, which I don't know, didn't feel as "gimmicky" to me.  I just feel I'd have a hard time buying into it.

They actually explain enough that I can suspend disbelief and come up with theories on some other parts of it.  But yeah, I'm intrigued by the gimmicky stuff.  I was also disappointed when Flash Forward and Awake were cancelled.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Robz888 on September 25, 2015, 11:48:11 am
Yeah, I watched Heroes Reborn. It was good enough that I'll come back for next week. It wasn't amazing, though. I really second eHalcyon's concerns.

The teleporter kid's storyline is doing a lot of heavy lifting, because he's a much better actor than pretty much everyone else on the show, his power is cool, and the story is not yet outrageous. The Tokyo video game thing is interesting in theory but was very sloppily executed. It could have benefited from *more* exposition, actually. The Mexican wrestling mask thing I just thought was kind of a stupid ripoff of Daredevil/Dark Knight/everything.

I'm interested in what's going on with Bennet, though I hope they don't bring back too many of the original characters. Please, no more ridiculously convoluted Petrelli/Syler feuding and family drama.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 25, 2015, 12:25:59 pm
I'm interested in cameos from past characters, of which there should be some.  I don't fully remember what happened to them at the end of Heroes though.

Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2015, 09:28:08 am
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.

It has it's moments, but it's mostly worth watching because season 6 is a return to form.

I just found out Community is created by the same guy that does Rick and Morty.  I might have to watch it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: jonts26 on September 28, 2015, 03:11:24 pm
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.

It has it's moments, but it's mostly worth watching because season 6 is a return to form.

I just found out Community is created by the same guy that does Rick and Morty.  I might have to watch it.

I just found out Rick and morty is done by the same guy that does community.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Jorbles on September 28, 2015, 05:20:25 pm
Finally started Season 5 of Community.  I'm torn.

It has it's moments, but it's mostly worth watching because season 6 is a return to form.

I just found out Community is created by the same guy that does Rick and Morty.  I might have to watch it.

I just found out Rick and morty is done by the same guy that does community.

Dan Harmon + another guy (Justin Roiland), but yeah that's part of why R&M is great!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2015, 10:19:27 pm
No Community on Netflix.  Guess I'm not watching it!
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on September 29, 2015, 01:20:00 am
No Community on Netflix.  Guess I'm not watching it!

Huh, it used to be on Netflix...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 29, 2015, 10:21:40 am
Well, guess I'm not watching Community soon either. I have others to catch up on first, so I'll get to it.

Okay, I think I have to write off Minority Report. I saw the second episode, and I was even less engaged than I was with the pilot, which is saying something.

It's going to be a busy fall. I guess Agents of SHIELD is back tonight. I am intrigued by Scream Queens. I may hold onto Heroes Reborn. If the show goes south, I won't waste my time with it.

I was amazed to learn that Scorpion was renewed. I wrote that show after the pilot, but a couple of my friends said it's really good. I am dubious, but perhaps the writers realized how lame the pilot was and fixed it up.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on September 29, 2015, 10:38:16 am
Anyone seen the previews or heard of The Expanse (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2)?  New SciFi show, and it looks pretty promising.  It has Jonathan Banks, Chad Coleman (Walking Dead, The Wire), and Thomas Jane.  Premiers in December.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on September 30, 2015, 05:34:24 pm
Well, guess I'm not watching Community soon either. I have others to catch up on first, so I'll get to it.

Okay, I think I have to write off Minority Report. I saw the second episode, and I was even less engaged than I was with the pilot, which is saying something.

It's going to be a busy fall. I guess Agents of SHIELD is back tonight. I am intrigued by Scream Queens. I may hold onto Heroes Reborn. If the show goes south, I won't waste my time with it.

I was amazed to learn that Scorpion was renewed. I wrote that show after the pilot, but a couple of my friends said it's really good. I am dubious, but perhaps the writers realized how lame the pilot was and fixed it up.

As a writer for the show, you don't seem to like your own work...
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on September 30, 2015, 05:35:44 pm
Also, I like the show enough to buy it on iTunes.  It's mindless fun like other procedurals.  Good acting by the guy who plays Toby, too.

So, I say you are a great writer.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on September 30, 2015, 11:40:04 pm
I wrote that show after the pilot

Classic case of how the omission of one word changes the meaning entirely.

I wrote off that show.

Clearly I'm not that good of a writer after all.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Teproc on October 05, 2015, 09:05:58 am
Well, that Leftovers premiere sure was something. Don't ask me what, but it was something.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 05, 2015, 09:09:03 am
Well, that Leftovers premiere sure was something. Don't ask me what, but it was something.

It certainly was.  I love they way they reveal things in this show.  The premiere seemed heavily metaphorical; I feel like I need to watch again and think. 
 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 05, 2015, 09:22:47 am
Also, Fear the Walking Dead finished, and I'm really happy with the show.  I was a little wary going in because the whole "outbreak" thing has been done quite often, but here the focus was more on the individual people than on the mayhem and panic (though that was a bit of a backdrop).

Rick and Morty finale was great (favorite quotes:
"Excuse me bartender, can you make a dumb grandson pep talk?  It's one part lame advice about stuff you know nothing about, and a lot of vodka." 
"Mmm-hmm; I have a lot of vodka." 
"Okay then I'll take one of those.  I don't need the rest."

"Morty, if you go to where there is a bunch of ice cream and don't come back, then you haven't actually gone to get ice cream.   You just went where ice cream is."
)

Started watching a couple episodes of Dark Matter on Netflix.  Interesting premise; acting is not so great and it seems a tad low budget, but it seems alright.  It has the guy that plays Travis on Continuum. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 05, 2015, 10:11:05 am
Seeing Dark Matter pimped on Netflix has gotten my attention, but I've not done anything with it yet. I just watched the season premiere of Continuum. I like the show, but it's going in circles now. I'm grateful this is the final season. All stories should have an end.

Though Continuum going in circles seems kind of fitting for the title.

I'm caught up on Gotham. I'm not overly thrilled with the direction they took, but I'm not turned off yet. It seems like they're just itching to get to a point where they can fast forward some years and just bring in the goddamn Batman. Watching the Riddler unfurl may be interesting.

Are people disliking the Muppet show? I've heard some negative statements about it. I didn't think it was that bad, but maybe people's hopes were too high? It's definitely not a laugh-a-minute, so if people were expecting that, it's no wonder they're disappointed. A few of the jokes made me laugh out loud, but it could stand to have more. As I think about it, though, I really dislike the opening sequence. It's so bland. Are there even captions showing? If not, then that sequence literally serves no purpose other than to pad time.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 05, 2015, 10:17:00 am
The latest Continuum episodes have been... not that great :(  It's like everything has gone down in quality.. acting, writing, production.  It just feels a little bit rushed and hashed together.  But I'll watch it out until the end for the sake of completion. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 06, 2015, 10:49:22 pm
Dark Matter is worth watching, I think.  Seven episodes in.  Not like the best thing ever, but good premise, interesting.   I've noticed a  number of similarities with Continuum.

I think Season 1 just finished and it's been renewed for a second  season.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: ashersky on October 07, 2015, 08:18:36 am
Season 2 of Scorpion is taking things to a whole new level of absurdity.  I'm pretty sure it's trolling on purpose, and it's great.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 10, 2015, 12:39:37 am
Well, that Leftovers premiere sure was something. Don't ask me what, but it was something.

I'm not sure what was the most confusing part... I think it would have to be the Schroedinger's bird thing.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 12, 2015, 10:47:32 am
Well, I finished the antepenultimate episode of Continuum. Just two more to go for me.

I can agree that this season is weaker than the others. It makes me wonder if the creator had the story planned out (ala Babylon 5) or is just making shit up as they go along (ala Lost). It's kind of looking like the latter.

But it was shocking that Lucas was killed so kudos to the show for going that direction. I suppose it ought not to be too surprising in the final season, but it was still a punch to the gut.

I'm uncertain about the direction Gotham is going. I suppose I would like that direction if Barbara didn't factor so heavily into it. Nobody liked her in season 1, and I think I like her less in season 2. I mean, hey, at least Fish hasn't inexplicably returned, but that's a small consolation.

Gotham seems to be trolling canon-fans. Granted, they never specifically said Jerome is the Joker, so killing him off was not a crime against canon. I suppose his psychotic viral laugh is what ultimately creates the real Joker. Pretty cheesy. I don't outright hate it though. It just makes me purse my lips. I'm not sure if I will continue on with Gotham.

I haven't been motivated to play episode 3 of Minority Report. I was so bored with the first two episodes, I don't feel any desire to continue that show. I might as well just delete it.

Flash's opening was decent. They showed the aftereffects of the vortex and then showed the actual vortex resolution in flashbacks. It threw me at first because I forgot about the dream, so my brain was trying to reconcile the two events before remembering that one of them was a dream and didn't count. I haven't watched Arrow's season premiere yet.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 12, 2015, 11:38:13 pm
I haven't watched any of this season's Continuum yet.  I'm actually not completely sure that I watched the final episode of last season either, because I neglected to check it off in SeriesGuide (a really great Android app).  I'll see about catching up soon though...

Haven't watched any new Gotham yet either.

I'm almost caught up on GoT, about halfway through the last season.  I am surprised at how faithfully it followed the books before rapidly derailing.

Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 13, 2015, 12:28:26 am
I'm becoming more and more convinced that The Leftovers is the most original and, well, boldest show on TV.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 14, 2015, 10:04:56 am
Okay, feeling slightly better about Gotham now that they're redirecting the focus to Penguin. Still too much Barbara for my taste.

The Riddler arc feels like it's taking too long to unfold, but that's the problem with long seasons. They can't just rush the end product. To a degree, I might be happier with 6-episode runs.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:31:47 am
Ever since Season 4, The Walking Dead has had at least one episode a season where Carol is just a complete badass and standout character, basically stealing the episode.  The actress is really great. 
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: eHalcyon on October 20, 2015, 02:32:02 am
Just watched the pilot for Blindspot.  Premise is really interesting (I'm a sucker for these odd concept sci-fi-ish shows) and the lead actress is good (Lady Sif from Thor).  The non-foundational case-of-the-week stuff in the pilot was mediocre, but there wasn't really much time for it so oh well.

Anybody else watch it?  Thoughts?

I've seen the previews for it.. it looks really gimmicky.  The premise reminds me of John Doe, which I don't know, didn't feel as "gimmicky" to me.  I just feel I'd have a hard time buying into it.

They actually explain enough that I can suspend disbelief and come up with theories on some other parts of it.  But yeah, I'm intrigued by the gimmicky stuff.  I was also disappointed when Flash Forward and Awake were cancelled.

Watched a couple more episodes of Blindspot.  Haven't caught up yet, but I am liking it so far.  The pilot was mediocre due to all the (necessary) exposition, but I was impressed by the way they've handled the next two episodes.  Shows like this often spend a lot of the early going treading water on the relatively generic case-of-the-week stuff, keeping the serialized elements at a frustratingly slow burn.  Person of Interest felt that way to me (before it became amazing), for example.  I'm happy to say that Blindspot has, so far at least, done pretty there.  The two cases felt different, including the way the tattoos were connected.  More importantly, the show has already subverted genre tropes and made surprising progress in providing answers.  It's probably less substantial than it feels, but it's still very nice to see.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Kuildeous on October 20, 2015, 07:57:45 am
I finished watching Continuum. I suppose it was all right. As stated before, the final season is considerably weaker than the beginning of the show. It felt like the producers told SyFy at the end of season 3, "We know the show is dragging. Give us six more episodes to wrap things up." And I'm actually grateful for that. An unresolved cliffhanger would have been annoying.

But the true motivation of future Kellogg's invasion was amusing, especially considering who he was willing to exploit. And I felt like they kept us guessing with present Kellogg's game plan.

The ending felt a little too saccharin, but how else can you end the show? A bleak ending certainly could have been possible, but for a four-season show, probably unsatisfying. Besides, they ramped up the stakes by killing off Lucas and Travis, who had become pretty strong characters in their own right.

I still liked the show. Really strong first season, and that inertia carried me through the remaining seasons. Just like any other time-travel story, paradoxes abound, and you just have to shrug and roll with it. At least they acknowledged surprise that killing Kellogg's grandmother didn't erase Kellogg from the timeline. That set the mood early with the audience to just accept it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on October 20, 2015, 08:04:58 am
Also renamed this topic. I was thinking that shows from other countries might be discussed, and I didn't want those to get lost in the thread. But no other threads were started for those, so I might as well just open this up to all TV shows.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 20, 2015, 08:41:41 am
Finally caught up and finished Season 2 of The Blacklist.

Man, Spader is awesome.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 20, 2015, 12:50:39 pm
Also renamed this topic. I was thinking that shows from other countries might be discussed, and I didn't want those to get lost in the thread. But no other threads were started for those, so I might as well just open this up to all TV shows.

I'd noticed that Continuum had been discussed here despite being Canadian, but didn't want to derail the conversation by pointing out it should be in a different thread.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on October 20, 2015, 01:03:30 pm
Also renamed this topic. I was thinking that shows from other countries might be discussed, and I didn't want those to get lost in the thread. But no other threads were started for those, so I might as well just open this up to all TV shows.

I'd noticed that Continuum had been discussed here despite being Canadian, but didn't want to derail the conversation by pointing out it should be in a different thread.

That hypocrisy also motivated the name change. While it was produced in Canada, it was shown in America, but those lines get blurrier as our world gets a little bit smaller, so screw it.
Title: Re: New TV shows (American edition)
Post by: Witherweaver on October 20, 2015, 01:13:04 pm
I finished watching Continuum. I suppose it was all right. As stated before, the final season is considerably weaker than the beginning of the show. It felt like the producers told SyFy at the end of season 3, "We know the show is dragging. Give us six more episodes to wrap things up." And I'm actually grateful for that. An unresolved cliffhanger would have been annoying.

But the true motivation of future Kellogg's invasion was amusing, especially considering who he was willing to exploit. And I felt like they kept us guessing with present Kellogg's game plan.

The ending felt a little too saccharin, but how else can you end the show? A bleak ending certainly could have been possible, but for a four-season show, probably unsatisfying. Besides, they ramped up the stakes by killing off Lucas and Travis, who had become pretty strong characters in their own right.

I still liked the show. Really strong first season, and that inertia carried me through the remaining seasons. Just like any other time-travel story, paradoxes abound, and you just have to shrug and roll with it. At least they acknowledged surprise that killing Kellogg's grandmother didn't erase Kellogg from the timeline. That set the mood early with the audience to just accept it.

I agree with most of this, though ultimately, Kiera didn't get to go home to her family.  She didn't even go home.  She went to a different future with a different Kiera and her family, and she would forever be outside and never be with "her" son and husband.  The final scene was her crying, after all.  And I'd be a little more critical of how far the quality fell off in the last Season.  I know they were rushed to tie everything up, but writing, dialogue, acting.. it was all just bad.  Plotwise, I didn't have a big issue; that's where the story went so that's fine.  But execution was not good.  And killing off Travis and Lucas raised the "stakes", but it also wasn't handled well.  It just felt very... cheap.  Especially Travis, it felt very contrived for the sake of him making a heroic sacrifice.  That's fine, but it should come about more organically.  Basically, they died just for the sake of having their characters die, not because it really helped the story.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 29, 2015, 01:26:44 am
Whoa.  Whoaaa.  I just watched the most recent episode of Gravity Falls and I can't believe they got away with this stuff on a children's show.  Incredible.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 29, 2015, 06:50:37 am
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2015, 01:04:53 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

I had no idea how willing the Flash was to embrace the silliness of comic books. For whatever reason I thought it would just be toned down, gritty human style characters from the stories. I am now going to watch this.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 29, 2015, 01:25:15 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

I had no idea how willing the Flash was to embrace the silliness of comic books. For whatever reason I thought it would just be toned down, gritty human style characters from the stories. I am now going to watch this.

Arrow was the gritty one, though the new season has loosened up. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 29, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

I had no idea how willing the Flash was to embrace the silliness of comic books. For whatever reason I thought it would just be toned down, gritty human style characters from the stories. I am now going to watch this.

Arrow was the gritty one, though the new season has loosened up.

Yeah, The Flash is to comic book shows what Psych was to cop procedurals, I think.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2015, 03:41:56 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 29, 2015, 03:42:48 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.

Gotham isn't gritty.. Gotham is campy with dark overtones. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 29, 2015, 03:43:30 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

I had no idea how willing the Flash was to embrace the silliness of comic books. For whatever reason I thought it would just be toned down, gritty human style characters from the stories. I am now going to watch this.

Arrow was the gritty one, though the new season has loosened up.

Yeah, The Flash is to comic book shows what Psych was to cop procedurals, I think.

I hope they do a Twin Peaks episode, too.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pacovf on October 29, 2015, 03:43:48 pm
I am just surprised that "comic book shows" is a thing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 29, 2015, 03:52:22 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.

Oh, I guess I was just limiting to Flash and Arrow (and soon: Legends of Tomorrow) because they're so connected.  If we're looking that broadly, I don't think I'd call Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter gritty either.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Donald X. on October 29, 2015, 03:52:46 pm
I am just surprised that "comic book shows" is a thing.
Would you say it has you walking on air? Or maybe it makes you angry, and we wouldn't like you when you're angry.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2015, 03:59:51 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.

Oh, I guess I was just limiting to Flash and Arrow (and soon: Legends of Tomorrow) because they're so connected.  If we're looking that broadly, I don't think I'd call Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter gritty either.

Oh that's true. I guess they aren't all gritty, but it felt like they were to me at the time. Agent Carter was awesome. SHIELD was ummm well, I think it had potential, but it just kinda turned into a mess. What I wanted it to be and what the showrunners wanted it to be were not the same thing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2015, 04:00:35 pm
I wanted it to be the X-Files seasons 1-3 with super heroes.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 29, 2015, 05:45:10 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.

Oh, I guess I was just limiting to Flash and Arrow (and soon: Legends of Tomorrow) because they're so connected.  If we're looking that broadly, I don't think I'd call Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter gritty either.

Oh that's true. I guess they aren't all gritty, but it felt like they were to me at the time. Agent Carter was awesome. SHIELD was ummm well, I think it had potential, but it just kinda turned into a mess. What I wanted it to be and what the showrunners wanted it to be were not the same thing.

You don't like where it is now?  The first season was slow to start but then it really kicked off after Winter Soldier events.  Since then, I think it's been doing pretty well.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 29, 2015, 06:46:33 pm
Just watched the series premiere of Supergirl.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2015, 07:26:26 pm
I think it's that they were all almost all the gritty one (Daredevil, Gotham, Arrow) so I just kinda painted them all with the same brush.

Oh, I guess I was just limiting to Flash and Arrow (and soon: Legends of Tomorrow) because they're so connected.  If we're looking that broadly, I don't think I'd call Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter gritty either.

Oh that's true. I guess they aren't all gritty, but it felt like they were to me at the time. Agent Carter was awesome. SHIELD was ummm well, I think it had potential, but it just kinda turned into a mess. What I wanted it to be and what the showrunners wanted it to be were not the same thing.

You don't like where it is now?  The first season was slow to start but then it really kicked off after Winter Soldier events.  Since then, I think it's been doing pretty well.

I just wanted a sort of procedural show in a Marvel universe. It also didn't help that I didn't really find much of the actors performances to be that compelling. Phil is played by a good character actor. Simmons was okay. The first season villains were mostly pretty good (Paxton was really fun and the Flower Lady was great), but the rest of the performances felt pretty stiff and wooden to me. I really didn't care about a lot of the major plotlines too. Skye's parents were things I kept wishing the show would forget about and the stuff about alien writing was a plotline that felt like a two season arc for something that could have been a fun single episode, but was tedious when we saw someone pouring over crazy alien writing for what felt like the 100th time. On the other hand, I wish that they'd dragged Ward's betrayal out for a lot longer. From the reveal that he's a Hydra agent to the audience to when the team discovers it could have been a fun plotline where whether or not he is evil and who he really answered to could have been explored over the course of a full season. Instead there was almost immediately a reveal that he was super evil and then a bunch of dull interrogation scenes until I stopped watching somewhere early in Season 2.

I have no idea where the show is at now, but one thing that made me give up on it was that my wife watched the first few episodes with me and followed along with me before saying I should go ahead without her. Then she tried to watch some of the second season episodes with me and I basically had to pause and explain every single scene because the show had fallen so far down this complex rabbit hole that it was incomprehensible to someone who hadn't watched every episode.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on October 29, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

Even after having read that spoiler, it still surprised me when it happened. I saw the Flash get hit by that, and I exclaimed, "Holy fucking shit."

And you know, for as cheesy a concept as that is, it actually didn't look too bad.

Definitely glad I watched this show from the beginning.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: jonts26 on October 29, 2015, 11:07:17 pm
Are people watching the new season of The Flash?

KING FREAKING SHARK!

Even after having read that spoiler, it still surprised me when it happened. I saw the Flash get hit by that, and I exclaimed, "Holy fucking shit."

And you know, for as cheesy a concept as that is, it actually didn't look too bad.

Definitely glad I watched this show from the beginning.

I was so stoked. I freaking love King Shark.  http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--om9JnpIr--/1494095674501629732.jpg The episode as a whole was mediocre, but the last minute was the best thing I've seen all season.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 29, 2015, 11:49:56 pm
I'm still watching Heroes Reborn and I am still enjoying it, but there are still plenty of problems.  The one that's kicking me out of immersion the most right now, in tonight's episode, is that Noah and Hiro keep talking about how there's so little time, how they need to hurry, etc.  Guys, you can FREEZE TIME.  And if you need to get somewhere in a hurry, you can TELEPORT.  But I guess that's always been a problem in the show.  Mastery of space-time is just one of those broken powers that are really tough to write around, and the Heroes writers have never been so good about it.  At least in the early days Hiro had poor control of it.  But now it's just plot anathema that they quietly ignore and hope people will forget.

Edit: OK, they addressed it a little bit.  Not really to my satisfaction, but whatever.

The new thing that bothers me is that Noah made a big deal about how there's no way Claire should have died and that he needed to see her in case something was lodged in that one part of her brain to disrupt her power.  When he finally gets to her covered body in the morgue, he doesn't even lift up the sheet to see her face.  Was that even her?  Is she actually dead?  And if so, how?  I thought they were kind of explaining it with Phoebe's shadow power, but then that ended and she still didn't come back.  I hold on to hope that they will address it in a future episode.  But for now, it just looks like a glaring plot hole.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 30, 2015, 02:45:42 am
Just watched the series premiere of Supergirl.

Thoughts?

Probably SPOILERS in here, but it's only the pilot so it's not much.

1. It is weird how they go out of their way to avoid saying his name.  It's like he's Voldemort or something.  Is it for dramatic effect, or just a strange and complicated copyright thing?

2. The episode feels overstuffed, like they tried to fit a season-length (or at least movie-length) arc in this one episode.  Kara goes from wanting to be normal to wanting to be a hero in like 5 minutes.  Alex Danvers goes from "you should never have revealed yourself" to "you are the hero we need" in like 5 minutes.

3. The way Danvers and the DEO initially treat Kara is nonsensical.  Danvers has known Kara all her life and surely knows that she's a good person.  Presumably the team would trust Danvers' assessment there.  Even if they didn't, they've been keeping tabs on her since she landed on earth, right?  So they should know that she means well.  Yeah, they might consider her a well-meaning danger, but they could have at least brought her in and talked to her peacefully instead of shooting her with kryptonite darts.

4. So many random people already know her secret identity, what?  Could have used a couple more episodes of character development there, I think.  The way her tech friend Winslow acted around her didn't make me think they were close friends, but then he's the first person she tells.  And then James Olsen knew her identity all along because he told him?  I was hoping that he would be like, "man, I just looked at that photo from the bank and it's kind of obvious.  I don't understand how I'm the only one that sees it.  The same thing happens with him."  At least poke some fun at it.

5. All these villains are rising up against Supergirl, but are they just ignoring the bigger blue elephant in the room?  For any threat to be real, they're gonna have to bring in the big guy eventually, right?

6. Random extra thought.  If she's bulletproof, shouldn't she also be dart-proof?  Also, when those bullets were bouncing off of her, why weren't they tearing apart her uniform?  That is, the same uniform that was easily pierced by darts later on.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 30, 2015, 06:10:08 am
Just watched the series premiere of Supergirl.

Thoughts?

Probably SPOILERS in here, but it's only the pilot so it's not much.

1. It is weird how they go out of their way to avoid saying his name.  It's like he's Voldemort or something.  Is it for dramatic effect, or just a strange and complicated copyright thing?

2. The episode feels overstuffed, like they tried to fit a season-length (or at least movie-length) arc in this one episode.  Kara goes from wanting to be normal to wanting to be a hero in like 5 minutes.  Alex Danvers goes from "you should never have revealed yourself" to "you are the hero we need" in like 5 minutes.

3. The way Danvers and the DEO initially treat Kara is nonsensical.  Danvers has known Kara all her life and surely knows that she's a good person.  Presumably the team would trust Danvers' assessment there.  Even if they didn't, they've been keeping tabs on her since she landed on earth, right?  So they should know that she means well.  Yeah, they might consider her a well-meaning danger, but they could have at least brought her in and talked to her peacefully instead of shooting her with kryptonite darts.

4. So many random people already know her secret identity, what?  Could have used a couple more episodes of character development there, I think.  The way her tech friend Winslow acted around her didn't make me think they were close friends, but then he's the first person she tells.  And then James Olsen knew her identity all along because he told him?  I was hoping that he would be like, "man, I just looked at that photo from the bank and it's kind of obvious.  I don't understand how I'm the only one that sees it.  The same thing happens with him."  At least poke some fun at it.

5. All these villains are rising up against Supergirl, but are they just ignoring the bigger blue elephant in the room?  For any threat to be real, they're gonna have to bring in the big guy eventually, right?

6. Random extra thought.  If she's bulletproof, shouldn't she also be dart-proof?  Also, when those bullets were bouncing off of her, why weren't they tearing apart her uniform?  That is, the same uniform that was easily pierced by darts later on.

1.  They can't say his name due to copyright stuff.  It's a big deal and it's also why he can't be fully seen in the show at all.  Think of it as him being too busy to stop by because he's making movies.

All your other points are spot on, I think.  At the same time, I think this show has the potential to be "Felicity Smoak got superpowers" and that would be amazing.

I'll keep watching, for now.  For a guy who always hated DC Comics, I'm surprising much more into their TV series than Marvel's.

Oh, on #4 and the photo thing -- the power of glasses to hide your identity has always been a ridiculous DC Comics thing, I think.

Anyone notice the easter egg for Supergirl's adoptive parents?  Previous Superman and Supergirl actors!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on October 30, 2015, 11:53:42 am
I'll keep watching too.  A pilot deserves forgiveness and the actress is fun.

What kind of copyright thing is this?  Apparently they actually did say "Superman" once at the start, plus they use other things like "man of steel", so it seems more a stylistic choice.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 04, 2015, 01:02:13 am
Tonight's Flash was really fun, and I especially liked that Patty figured out that Barry was blind, but the episode also exemplifies a common problem with superhero media -- powered people not actually using their powers in an easy and obvious way to get a simple victory.  Or, to put it another way, powered people somehow not being able to do something that should easily be within their abilities.

1. Barry is fast enough to time-travel, dodge bullets, or even catch bullets, yet somehow he can't get close enough to Dr. Light to knock her outStar-powered or not, her reflexes sure seemed relatively normal so it makes no sense that Barry would need to confuse her with mirages before running up to her for a KO.

2. When Barry was needlessly making speed mirages the first time, Dr. Light was able to stop him with a simple AOE burst.  There's no indication that she can't do this again, so why does she go back to single-target energy blasts?

I quibble, but I criticized Heroes Reborn for it so I should be fair. :P
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on November 04, 2015, 09:07:32 am
Man, now I need to watch this week's Flash.

Ash vs. the Evil Dead was pretty fun. Sam Raimi directed the pilot, and it shows. You can see it for free online, I believe. I'm sure subsequent episodes will not be.

As usual, Ash is his bumbling self, and he screws the world over for a chance at tail. After having watched the first three movies, it was weird to see CGI being used in this episode. Thankfully it was short (to my knowledge).

It's interesting that they are following two storylines right now, and I'm sure they'll intersect.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 06, 2015, 01:09:13 am
The new thing that bothers me is that Noah made a big deal about how there's no way Claire should have died and that he needed to see her in case something was lodged in that one part of her brain to disrupt her power.  When he finally gets to her covered body in the morgue, he doesn't even lift up the sheet to see her face.  Was that even her?  Is she actually dead?  And if so, how?  I thought they were kind of explaining it with Phoebe's shadow power, but then that ended and she still didn't come back.  I hold on to hope that they will address it in a future episode.  But for now, it just looks like a glaring plot hole.

They actually explained it, and it was a decent explanation!  The new thing to explain now is how exactly Nathan takes powers, and why Hiro's power manifested differently in him.

Oh, also, time travel makes a nonsensical mess of everything and there were lots of ridiculous things there, not to mention some other stupid choices by various people with pointless self-sacrifice and other odd choices.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on November 06, 2015, 10:43:14 am
I wasn't blown away by this week's Flash, but FREAKING HARRISON WELLS IS AWESOME so it was a-okay in my book.  I'm so glad they made him so different, and such a jerk.

I also watched the second episode of Supergirl.  And I was so very disappointed.  The sister got captured already?  And she had to meet her aunt already?  And we have this incredibly unbelievable competition between the only two males on the show for her attraction?  And that whole saving kittens to get everyone to like her thing?  Terrible.

The only redeeming thing was her messing up so badly in the beginning.  That part I liked.  But the cliched I'm going to beat you in a kyrptonite room so you feel like you are worthless to teach you a lesson thing?  Yeesh.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 06, 2015, 10:44:50 am
AMC is looking to get pretty awesome.  Into the Badlands looks entertaining at the very least, and I really can't wait for Preacher.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on November 06, 2015, 12:08:14 pm
I hope I'm not the only one watching season 2 of Fargo. Alla da episodes have been pretty darn interesting.*

*That's my attempt at typing like a character from the show.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 06, 2015, 12:11:15 pm
I hope I'm not the only one watching season 2 of Fargo. Alla da episodes have been pretty darn interesting.*

*That's my attempt at typing like a character from the show.

I've been watching.  It's pretty awesome, ya know.  I missed Season 1 (except for occasional pieces) and haven't been able to find it to watch, but Season 2 is great.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 06, 2015, 12:32:58 pm
I also watched the second episode of Supergirl.  And I was so very disappointed.  The sister got captured already?  And she had to meet her aunt already?  And we have this incredibly unbelievable competition between the only two males on the show for her attraction?  And that whole saving kittens to get everyone to like her thing?  Terrible.

The only redeeming thing was her messing up so badly in the beginning.  That part I liked.  But the cliched I'm going to beat you in a kyrptonite room so you feel like you are worthless to teach you a lesson thing?  Yeesh.


Eh, I thought it was OK.  They actually said "Superman" a few times.  As far as sister getting caught and already meeting her aunt, I actually think that's a good thing.  It's doing something atypical by not pushing it back until late in the season, opening the door for new storytelling potential.  Already knowing the big bad instead of first fighting a string of minions changes the emotional stakes.  And I guess there could still be a reveal that she won't be the big bad after all.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on November 06, 2015, 12:34:08 pm
Re: Fargo:
It's worth finding Season 1 if you can. Season 2 is actually a prequel about some of the characters in Season 1.

I remember Season 1 being on Netflix at least temporarily. Possibly it's not on US/Canadian Netflix, but google tells me it's on UK.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on November 06, 2015, 12:41:30 pm
I also watched the second episode of Supergirl.  And I was so very disappointed.  The sister got captured already?  And she had to meet her aunt already?  And we have this incredibly unbelievable competition between the only two males on the show for her attraction?  And that whole saving kittens to get everyone to like her thing?  Terrible.

The only redeeming thing was her messing up so badly in the beginning.  That part I liked.  But the cliched I'm going to beat you in a kyrptonite room so you feel like you are worthless to teach you a lesson thing?  Yeesh.


Eh, I thought it was OK.  They actually said "Superman" a few times.  As far as sister getting caught and already meeting her aunt, I actually think that's a good thing.  It's doing something atypical by not pushing it back until late in the season, opening the door for new storytelling potential.  Already knowing the big bad instead of first fighting a string of minions changes the emotional stakes.  And I guess there could still be a reveal that she won't be the big bad after all.

Maybe you are right.  I'm worried it's trying to be Buffy + Scooby Gang + that random military group with the microchips that keep vampires from biting all at once in two episodes.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 06, 2015, 12:47:16 pm
Re: Fargo:
It's worth finding Season 1 if you can. Season 2 is actually a prequel about some of the characters in Season 1.

I remember Season 1 being on Netflix at least temporarily. Possibly it's not on US/Canadian Netflix, but google tells me it's on UK.

I have Netflix, but I think Fargo is only on Hulu here.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Eevee on November 06, 2015, 02:10:35 pm
Fargo s01 was amazing. Fargo s02 is also amazing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 06, 2015, 02:11:14 pm
Fargo s01 was amazing. Fargo s02 is also amazing.

Short, to the point, and accurate.  A great all-around post.  10/10.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 08, 2015, 09:27:07 pm
I am almost caught up on Gotham and I am totally confused about what's going on with Barbara.  Is there any way for this to somehow realign with canon?  It seems doubtful.  On the one hand, it's probably a good thing if they are doing their own thing now, since that was a problem with the first season (low stakes because all these characters will obviously survive and follow predictable character arcs in order to reach their future status in the Batman canon).  Something similar happened with the death of Jerome, though the tag at the end of all those viewers laughing maniacally was just ridiculous.  On the other hand, they still seem to be stuck recounting basic origin stories for various villains instead of actually developing their regular cast of characters.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: yuma on November 09, 2015, 10:59:33 am
Is anyone watching "Jane the Virgin?"

Reading through the TV shows that are being discussed it certainly doesn't fit into any of the molds that people seem to primarily watching. For those that haven't heard of it, it is basically a friendly satire of the Tele Novellas that are so popular. When I first heard about it, I had zero interest. But then I watched it and got hooked.

Seriously. It is really, really good. Won at least one Emmy last year. I know it has a pretty large following in the Latino community, of which I am not a part of, but I really don't know anyone else that is watching it.

But is has a charisma and sense of awareness that is ridiculously funny. The acting is really good as well and its use of tropes and TV gimmicks boarders what great shows like Community and Arrested Development have done before. Along with a story line/plot that is entertaining on its own.

My wife and I have watched the first season twice. Surprisingly I think I like it more than she does.



Also Gilmore Girls is coming back for 4 1.5 hour long episodes on Netflix? Who isn't excited for that?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 11:03:32 am
The new thing that bothers me is that Noah made a big deal about how there's no way Claire should have died and that he needed to see her in case something was lodged in that one part of her brain to disrupt her power.  When he finally gets to her covered body in the morgue, he doesn't even lift up the sheet to see her face.  Was that even her?  Is she actually dead?  And if so, how?  I thought they were kind of explaining it with Phoebe's shadow power, but then that ended and she still didn't come back.  I hold on to hope that they will address it in a future episode.  But for now, it just looks like a glaring plot hole.

They actually explained it, and it was a decent explanation!  The new thing to explain now is how exactly Nathan takes powers, and why Hiro's power manifested differently in him.

Oh, also, time travel makes a nonsensical mess of everything and there were lots of ridiculous things there, not to mention some other stupid choices by various people with pointless self-sacrifice and other odd choices.

Yeah, the Hiro staying behind to fight thing I think was poorly done.  It's not like he needed to keep them busy for an escape; they could have trivially just popped away together.  It was some very contrived drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 11:05:27 am
Last night's Leftovers was amazing.  This show draws me in more than any other show.  It's like a completely emotional experience; after watching I just feel drained.  Everyone should watch this.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Eevee on November 11, 2015, 10:37:45 am
Dear god, what a TERRIBLE episode of Gotham.

The riddler scenes were the only saving grace.

Needs to be said twice, that was really, really bad.


edit: I've been liking the season overall though, for what it is.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 11, 2015, 10:41:43 am
Dear god, what a TERRIBLE episode of Gotham.

The riddler scenes were the only saving grace.

Needs to be said twice, that was really, really bad.


edit: I've been liking the season overall though, for what it is.

I'm just happy people are dying.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on November 11, 2015, 11:25:02 am
I'm digging Ash vs. the Evil Dead. It's pretty much what you'd expect from that franchise. I'm not sure if the show can survive on its own by revisiting the Ash tropes. But then if they allow Ash to grow, then the atmosphere changes drastically.

But there are supporting characters that can do the growing. That means Ash doesn't have to. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Starz agreed to do a second season even before the first season premiered. But I have to admit that I subscribed to Starz just for this show.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Voltaire on November 11, 2015, 03:04:22 pm
Also Gilmore Girls is coming back for 4 1.5 hour long episodes on Netflix? Who isn't excited for that?

Soulless monsters, that's who.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LastFootnote on November 11, 2015, 03:38:26 pm
Also Gilmore Girls is coming back for 4 1.5 hour long episodes on Netflix? Who isn't excited for that?

Soulless monsters, that's who.

Aw man, I'm a soulless monster!

I saw some Gilmore girls back when it was first airing. The cadence of the conversations on that show just seem incredibly unnatural. Everybody just spews this lightning-fast stream of witty repartee. It's sort of the uncanny valley of conversation. That's how it struck me, anyway.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on November 11, 2015, 04:21:37 pm
Also Gilmore Girls is coming back for 4 1.5 hour long episodes on Netflix? Who isn't excited for that?

Soulless monsters, that's who.

Aw man, I'm a soulless monster!

I saw some Gilmore girls back when it was first airing. The cadence of the conversations on that show just seem incredibly unnatural. Everybody just spews this lightning-fast stream of witty repartee. It's sort of the uncanny valley of conversation. That's how it struck me, anyway.

I guess you don't like Buffy.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 12, 2015, 10:03:26 pm
This week's Heroes Reborn is a really godawful hour of television. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: yuma on November 12, 2015, 10:09:53 pm
Also Gilmore Girls is coming back for 4 1.5 hour long episodes on Netflix? Who isn't excited for that?

Soulless monsters, that's who.

Aw man, I'm a soulless monster!

I saw some Gilmore girls back when it was first airing. The cadence of the conversations on that show just seem incredibly unnatural. Everybody just spews this lightning-fast stream of witty repartee. It's sort of the uncanny valley of conversation. That's how it struck me, anyway.

If you watch interviews with Amy Sherman-Palladino, the creator of the series, you see that she actually talks like that. Especially with her partner, Dan? Who was also involved in the show.  And with nearly the same level of wit and obscure cultural references. To me the dialogue speed was unusual, but certainly wasn't forced, and became one of my favorite parts of the show. It illustrates the close relationship shared between the core group of characters and I think reflected the relationships of the creators.

Anyways, I am stoked for the netflix revival. Although Melissa mccarthy's presence will be missed.
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Post by: eHalcyon on November 13, 2015, 01:02:56 am
This week's Heroes Reborn is a really godawful hour of television.

I didn't think it was that bad, but there are certainly some issues.  Let's see...

The biggest one to me is Matt Parkman.  I'd kind of forgotten how ridiculously OP his power is, but this episode really highlighted it.  Why does he listen to anybody when he could basically do whatever he wants?  He has essentially free access to all sensitive information ever, and he can basically prevent anybody from ever stopping him.  I guess power-blockers trump him, but it should be easy enough for him to avoid those things and slip under the radar.  Side note: it's weird that he makes people reenact things when he should be able to pull stuff out of their minds just as easily.

Second big thing is that it's such a contrivance that Noah's meddling in the past produced exactly one significant change, that being Quentin's allegiance.  It's even more nonsensical when you consider that Quentin (now a spy) just continued on his partnership with Noah when he returned from the past.  If Quentin hadn't spent all that time searching for his sister, he should never have approached Noah for help.  And if he tried it as a spy, how could he have ever fooled Noah back then?  Ridiculous.

Oh, I guess there was a second significant change in that the Haitian survived.

Next thing, Caspar's abilities have never been well defined, but I think it's been implied more than once that touch was not necessary.  So why was it here?  Maybe in the other instances he did some sort of hypnotic suggestion thing to calm down his victims and get them to comply, and that just wasn't possible here with Joanne as strung out as she was (and with Nathan popping in out of the blue).  It would have helped a lot if his power had been better explained.


One more thing -- even though Noah says they have the exact same power, they still haven't explained why Hiro's powers manifested differently in Nathan.  Why is he able to teleport other things through touch without teleporting himself?

Oh, and the stinger at the end.  I genuinely look forward to the explanation.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 13, 2015, 08:58:17 am
This week's Heroes Reborn is a really godawful hour of television.

I didn't think it was that bad, but there are certainly some issues.  Let's see...

The biggest one to me is Matt Parkman.  I'd kind of forgotten how ridiculously OP his power is, but this episode really highlighted it.  Why does he listen to anybody when he could basically do whatever he wants?  He has essentially free access to all sensitive information ever, and he can basically prevent anybody from ever stopping him.  I guess power-blockers trump him, but it should be easy enough for him to avoid those things and slip under the radar.  Side note: it's weird that he makes people reenact things when he should be able to pull stuff out of their minds just as easily.

Second big thing is that it's such a contrivance that Noah's meddling in the past produced exactly one significant change, that being Quentin's allegiance.  It's even more nonsensical when you consider that Quentin (now a spy) just continued on his partnership with Noah when he returned from the past.  If Quentin hadn't spent all that time searching for his sister, he should never have approached Noah for help.  And if he tried it as a spy, how could he have ever fooled Noah back then?  Ridiculous.

Oh, I guess there was a second significant change in that the Haitian survived.

Next thing, Caspar's abilities have never been well defined, but I think it's been implied more than once that touch was not necessary.  So why was it here?  Maybe in the other instances he did some sort of hypnotic suggestion thing to calm down his victims and get them to comply, and that just wasn't possible here with Joanne as strung out as she was (and with Nathan popping in out of the blue).  It would have helped a lot if his power had been better explained.


One more thing -- even though Noah says they have the exact same power, they still haven't explained why Hiro's powers manifested differently in Nathan.  Why is he able to teleport other things through touch without teleporting himself?

Oh, and the stinger at the end.  I genuinely look forward to the explanation.

Really, what prompted me to say this was the horribly horrendous horror of horrible horribleness that was that icecream shop standoff.  Like, so contrived, so bad, so terribly acted.  And, I mean.. the kid could have just popped somewhere to take a look (like outside), popped behind the woman, sent her to the middle of the ocean.  But that aside, it was just so cringeworthy.

The rest of the episode I didn't have a problem with, but it didn't make up for that scene.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 18, 2015, 01:35:57 am
Really, what prompted me to say this was the horribly horrendous horror of horrible horribleness that was that icecream shop standoff.  Like, so contrived, so bad, so terribly acted.  And, I mean.. the kid could have just popped somewhere to take a look (like outside), popped behind the woman, sent her to the middle of the ocean.  But that aside, it was just so cringeworthy.

The rest of the episode I didn't have a problem with, but it didn't make up for that scene.

Hmm, I didn't have much of a problem with that.  They were all set to converge anyway, since they were looking for each other.  I agree the kid had better options, but that's always an issue with every powerful ability (see this earlier post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11824.msg538167#msg538167) about The Flash).  In this case, I think you could chock it up to inexperience or lack of battle aptitude or something.  I didn't mind the acting.





Anyway, today's Agents of Shield.  Wow.  I really, really liked it.

Ward's fight scene at the start was spectacular, and he was impressively evil throughout.
The revelation about Hydra's origins tied a bunch of threads together and feels major, like it should have impact on an upcoming movie.
Some fun scenes with Hunter being a cheeky hacker who types ridiculously slowly.

One piece of criticism, again centered of use of powers -- the telekinetic guy was extremely unimpressive.  Telekinesis is an amazing power, as evidenced by Sylar in Heroes when it was great.  Bobbi's batons shouldn't have done much.  In fact, he should have been able to just levitate Bobbi and Hunter and it would have basically been game over.  I mean, he ripped out a pipe pretty easily.  But even if he couldn't pick up two people for whatever reason, he should have been able to levitate the guns to get a good angle on the agents.  There should have been no way for them to find cover.  And given that this guy is apparently a trained agent, inexperience is not a good excuse for this one.

But anyway, that's pretty mild in the grand scheme.  Great episode overall.

Also, over in Flash land, Grodd.  Fun stuff.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 18, 2015, 08:00:01 am
Yes, the return of Grodd was really exciting in Flash. I'm not a huge DC nerd, but that villain just excites me in general. Hoping he returns, though I suspect the resolution was a nod to the DC universe that I just don't get.

I've been informed that my TV box needs to be swapped out. We've been having cable issues, and the equipment we have is old. This means wiping the DVR. So we're doing some binge watching, but I suspect I can probably skip some shows or wait until the season hits Netflix. So here is what I'm watching, and what should I do about them?

Heroes Reborn – Haven't started yet.
American Horror Story: Hotel – Haven't started yet.
Supergirl – Haven't started yet.
Archer – I have the last three episodes of season 5 and all of 6 on the DVR. I'm debating on finishing up 5 and waiting for 6 to hit Netflix.
Gotham – 3 episodes behind. I'll probably catch up, but I might not feel bad if I drop it forever.
Scream Queens – 3 episodes behind. I might not miss it if I drop it, but my wife and I watched this together, and I feel like we should finish it.
Grimm – This was a guilty pleasure at first, but we haven't watched it in over a year. Still have a bunch of episodes stored up. The last thing we saw was him losing his powers and being at Monroe's wedding. End of season 3? We haven't been missing it, so maybe it could drop off.

All my other shows are caught up or very likely to be caught up.
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Post by: eHalcyon on November 22, 2015, 02:18:08 am
Jessica Jones, anyone?
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Post by: jonts26 on November 22, 2015, 11:15:35 am
Jessica Jones, anyone?

I've seen the first three episodes. I'm liking it so far, though I'm not familiar at all with the source material.
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Post by: eHalcyon on November 22, 2015, 03:21:08 pm
Jessica Jones, anyone?

I've seen the first three episodes. I'm liking it so far, though I'm not familiar at all with the source material.

I'm not familiar either.  I didn't even know that she had super powers.

Also, just like Heroes season 1, they're really taking seriously how scary the power of Persuasion is.  The nice thing is that it doesn't even require any special effects.
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Post by: Jorbles on November 22, 2015, 10:04:45 pm
Jessica Jones, anyone?

I've seen the first three episodes. I'm liking it so far, though I'm not familiar at all with the source material.

I'm not familiar either.  I didn't even know that she had super powers.

Also, just like Heroes season 1, they're really taking seriously how scary the power of Persuasion is.  The nice thing is that it doesn't even require any special effects.

I like it a lot so far. (4 episodes in) A lot more ominous and creepy than Daredevil, but very enjoyable.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 23, 2015, 04:10:44 pm
So... The Leftovers, anyone?  Teproc?  This season just keeps getting more and more amazing for me. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 23, 2015, 04:11:45 pm
Also, I'm about halfway through Season 6 of Madmen.  I've been watching on Netflix whenever I get time.  It's an extremely well-done show. 
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Post by: Teproc on November 23, 2015, 07:37:39 pm
So... The Leftovers, anyone?  Teproc?  This season just keeps getting more and more amazing for me. 

I am dreadfully behind on everything. Still haven't watched past the premier, looking forward to catching up.
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Post by: ashersky on November 24, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Finished Season 1 of Arrow...definitely not the Flash, but I kept forgiving it its faults knowing it must get better.

Season 2 seems better, if tamer.  I don't get all the hate for Arrow killing people.  I think it was fine.
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Post by: jonts26 on November 25, 2015, 11:55:34 pm
I don't get all the hate for Arrow killing people.  I think it was fine.

It's generally frowned upon for heroes to kill the bad guys. Allowing a hero, even a noble one, the power of judge, jury, and executioner is a slippery slope that can lead to some dark places (and a number of comics have explored this). So most heroes end up adopting a 'no killing' rule. Due process exists for a reason. Of course, sometimes, it probably is better if certain villains weren't allowed to continue existing. If batman just killed the joker, it would likely save an incredible number of lives. It would seem to be a reasonable and justifiable course of action. But, you could also argue that perhaps it's the legal system that's failed. The death penalty does exist. Though, there are narrative reasons this is never handed out.
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Post by: ashersky on November 26, 2015, 08:52:56 am
I don't get all the hate for Arrow killing people.  I think it was fine.

It's generally frowned upon for heroes to kill the bad guys. Allowing a hero, even a noble one, the power of judge, jury, and executioner is a slippery slope that can lead to some dark places (and a number of comics have explored this). So most heroes end up adopting a 'no killing' rule. Due process exists for a reason. Of course, sometimes, it probably is better if certain villains weren't allowed to continue existing. If batman just killed the joker, it would likely save an incredible number of lives. It would seem to be a reasonable and justifiable course of action. But, you could also argue that perhaps it's the legal system that's failed. The death penalty does exist. Though, there are narrative reasons this is never handed out.


I guess for me, it's a comic book show and Arrow is a bad ass.  In the second season, he has cool net arrows and stuff, and that works too.  But he sort of painted himself into a corner with trying to stop the Huntress from killing, watching the Black Canary kill people, etc. due to his about face.  I think he should still kill a few folks, just maybe not the hapless body guards and minions.
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Post by: jonts26 on November 28, 2015, 08:25:07 pm
So I just finished Jessica Jones. It was really, really good. I liked it better than daredevil. Probably one of my favorite marvel offerings to date.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 28, 2015, 09:06:29 pm
I'm on episode 7.  It's good.  I find it on par with Daredevil.
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 28, 2015, 11:12:20 pm
Has anyone else finished season 2 of Rick and Morty? If so, has anyone else come to the conclusion that it's on of the greatest shows ever?
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 06:40:14 am
Has anyone else finished season 2 of Rick and Morty? If so, has anyone else come to the conclusion that it's on of the greatest shows ever?

First episode I saw brought me to the conclusion that it is the greatest show ever. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: theory on November 29, 2015, 08:13:11 am
In many ways I am like the perfect target audience for Rick & Morty (favorite shows including Simpsons, Archer, Futurama), but I've now watched two episodes and hated both of them.  I am very confused and saddened.
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Post by: Jorbles on November 29, 2015, 11:45:26 am
In many ways I am like the perfect target audience for Rick & Morty (favorite shows including Simpsons, Archer, Futurama), but I've now watched two episodes and hated both of them.  I am very confused and saddened.

The fact that anyone could hate Rick and Morty greatly saddens me. Out of curiosity what was it you disliked?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 04:26:16 pm
Did you see the Lawnmower Dog episode?  Or Rick Potion #9?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: KingZog3 on November 29, 2015, 04:39:55 pm
In many ways I am like the perfect target audience for Rick & Morty (favorite shows including Simpsons, Archer, Futurama), but I've now watched two episodes and hated both of them.  I am very confused and saddened.

I didn't like the pilot episode either, and the second one I liked more. I think it only gets better. Try the episode "meeseeks and destroy", if you don't like that one, you don't like the show. But I think the first two episodes are the weakest, certainly the pilot is.
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Post by: ashersky on November 29, 2015, 04:42:43 pm
Anyone watch the preview pilot of The Expanse?

I made it about ten minutes in and quit, but might try again.  Feels too Firefly-ish to me.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 29, 2015, 04:49:21 pm
Anyone watch the preview pilot of The Expanse?

I made it about ten minutes in and quit, but might try again.  Feels too Firefly-ish to me.

I thought it came out in December.  I really want to see it.

Also, Meseeks and Destroy was one of the best episodes of R&M.  I maybe prefer it over the ones I listed.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 29, 2015, 08:32:14 pm
In many ways I am like the perfect target audience for Rick & Morty (favorite shows including Simpsons, Archer, Futurama), but I've now watched two episodes and hated both of them.  I am very confused and saddened.

I didn't like the pilot episode either, and the second one I liked more. I think it only gets better. Try the episode "meeseeks and destroy", if you don't like that one, you don't like the show. But I think the first two episodes are the weakest, certainly the pilot is.

I think the pilot put too much emphasis on "drunken grandfather treats grandson like garbage" as opposed to "cynical genius inventor drags grandson through unique mind-blowing adventures in space".  The voice acting in early episodes felt kind of awkward as well, but it got better.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on November 29, 2015, 09:11:23 pm
Anyone watch the preview pilot of The Expanse?

I made it about ten minutes in and quit, but might try again.  Feels too Firefly-ish to me.

I liked Firefly a lot, but I don't want to see something totally derivative of it. I read the book Leviathan Wakes, which is the first in the series it's based on and I liked it quite a bit though, so I am at least interested in what the show might be like.
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Post by: ashersky on November 30, 2015, 02:29:55 am
Anyone watch the preview pilot of The Expanse?

I made it about ten minutes in and quit, but might try again.  Feels too Firefly-ish to me.

I liked Firefly a lot, but I don't want to see something totally derivative of it. I read the book Leviathan Wakes, which is the first in the series it's based on and I liked it quite a bit though, so I am at least interested in what the show might be like.

To be fair, this is based on ten annoyed minutes of me watching it.  It has that scavenger, outer space, forced use of Chinese to be cool thing that Firefly had.

I'm in the minority in that I watched all of Firefly, plus Serenity, and ended up wishing I hadn't wasted my time.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 30, 2015, 10:13:54 am
I liked Firefly, so I may give the Expanse a try.

I finished the first season of the Librarians. Really liking this show. It's goofy in a Dr. Who sort of way but using fairy tales rather than fake sci-fi. The CGI can be really bad in some places, but I'm not watching it for flash. The season finale was probably one of the most epic episodes. It took the normally insular episodes and tied them all together. We have some second season recorded, so we're going to try to catch up with that.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: theory on November 30, 2015, 03:15:18 pm
For Rick & Morty, I just didn't like any of the characters in those first two episodes.  The grandpa was a big asshole (and not like, Sterling Archer asshole), the kid was so whiny, and the rest of the family was totally unpleasant. 

The second episode also made zero sense to me whatsoever plot-wise.  The dog subplot was adorable and cute, but the rest of it was really confusing.

It wouldn't surprise me if it got better afterwards, but it didn't have any of that wit or magic that I liked about other animated classics.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on December 01, 2015, 12:56:51 am
The Once Upon A Time plot for this half-season is actually pretty neat.  Lots of great stuff.  It's not perfect (all the Brave stuff is particularly half-baked) but still very fresh and fun.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on December 01, 2015, 03:37:23 am
The recent Supergirl episode made a top military commander look way too incompetent.  I mean, their plan was unbelievably stupid.


Step 1: Create a super powerful android intended to take down the likes of Superman.
Step 2: Give the weapon a stealth mode that makes it undetectable even to the people meant to wield it.
Step 3: Make sure not to include any way of shutting the thing down in case it becomes dangerous to the public.
Step 4: Enable automatic self-preservation that renders this killing machine at least temporarily uncontrollable in the event that it sustains significant damage.
Step 5: Get an executive order to compel one of the most powerful beings in the world to beta test the android by attempting to cause it significant damage.
Step 6: When the android is damaged and subsequently escapes, thus endangering the general public, immediately fire the one person who is most qualified to track it down and bring it back in line.


I mean, it's just totally ridiculous from start to finish.

Also, the episode is just full of people blaming Supergirl for doing the right thing.


1. Supergirl saves a bus-load of children from two cartoonishly idiotic drivers.  One such driver is dim-witted enough to take a swing at the alien with super-strength because she had the gall to stop him from committing multiple acts of manslaughter.  And when this guy gets hurt because Supergirl blocked his punch, obviously Supergirl is in the wrong here.  Obviously. 

They try to put Supergirl in the wrong by having the children be frightened, but it's a hollow rationale.

2. The military forces Supergirl to fight their superweapon which lacks basic safety features.  She does as instructed and takes down their prototype... which promptly goes rogue because they designed it to do exactly that.  Of course this is all Supergirl's fault, since she defeated the weapon that was designed to kill her kind.  Not at all the fault of the people who built the thing to stealth-mode away and go on a rampage. 

They try to shift blame this time by emphasizing Supergirl's continued attack after being told to stand down, but that's a much smaller factor if you actually stop to think.

3. After Supergirl actually saves General Lane's life, Red Tornado creates a tornado that endangers dozens (hundreds?) of people.  Supergirl stops the (un)natural disaster.  General Lane shows zero gratitude and actually blames her for prioritizing innocent lives and letting the menace escape.

At least this time the show played it as the General being unreasonable, instead of making it out to be an example of it somehow being an actual problem with Kara.


Some other things that bugged me:


- The random scientist fights on par with a highly trained DEO agent while simultaneously controlling a weapon that is fighting on par with Supergirl.
- Red Tornado apparently has a highly sophisticated GPS system... that the military can't access to pinpoint its location?
- Hank Henshaw's eyes just glow red randomly.  It's a teaser for the audience, but it's a major flaw in his cover if anybody else ever saw it happen.
- Lucy Lane doesn't wonder at all why Winn said "your cousin" for "Superman".
- A media company's IT guy (who hasn't been sold as somebody with the supreme skills of, say, Felicity Smoak) is able to singlehandedly hack into the system of a secret organization with access to advanced alien technology.
- Hank Henshaw (or whatever is pretending to be him) went to the trouble of redacting and burying a document about an incident without bothering to redact his own name.  That said, why not destroy the document entirely?
- Red Tornado has this whole self-preservation thing but just stands there and takes the sustained heat vision eye lasers.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on December 11, 2015, 10:28:20 am
I watched the midseason finales of Arrow and Flash.

I'm not sure if I missed a key part of an earlier episode or if it was just typical superhero-make-shit-up-as-you-go-along trope, but I was a little unsure about using the breach to polarize one bomb to attract the others. But it was a dramatic moment, so you know…

Nice exposition for Joe's partner.

For Arrow, one of my friends posted that he was disappoint. I'm not sure why exactly. I thought the episode worked. It wasn't superb, but it was as watchable as the rest of the series. I suppose he could have meant the apparent death of Felicity, but why not be heartbroken instead of disappointed? Besides, they killed Thea, Sara, and Malcolm and brought them back. It'd actually be refreshing if they killed someone and had it stick. Her death would add an extra dark spin to Oliver. I suppose the problem I have with this is that Oliver was able to get out of the limo and get it moving while in the crossfire of an organized shooting. Really improbable, but it fits the heroic idiom.
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Post by: enfynet on December 11, 2015, 11:44:51 pm
So I just finished making my way through Daredevil, Flash, and Jessica Jones. Need to head over to Arrow next. I am very pleased with the stuff Marvel and DC is putting out there.
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Post by: ashersky on December 16, 2015, 02:48:33 am
I watched the midseason finales of Arrow and Flash.

I'm not sure if I missed a key part of an earlier episode or if it was just typical superhero-make-shit-up-as-you-go-along trope, but I was a little unsure about using the breach to polarize one bomb to attract the others. But it was a dramatic moment, so you know…

Nice exposition for Joe's partner.

I'm still at the beginning of Season 3 for Arrow, so can't comment there, but I did enjoy the Flash mid-season finale.  I like that they did a Christmas episode, as those are sorely lacking nowadays.  Anyone watch Eureka back in the day?  That was a great show that always had killer Christmas episodes.  Community, too.

I'm fairly certain the thing you are asking about in spoiler tags was completely made up science crap, much like the rest of the show, but to me was clearly supposed to be a "Christmas miracle" thing.  Like a reverse Santa Claus, even up to Wells taking back the present from the kid.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: yuma on December 27, 2015, 10:52:29 pm
Caught the "sneak peak"--whatever that is--initial episode of "The Magicians" based off the novel by Lev Grossman that I completely and totally loved. It had some good moments but felt a bit rushed and stilted. I have somewhat decent expectations given that there is a lot of room for not only cool magical concepts but some philosophy about life and growing into an adult.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Eevee on December 29, 2015, 02:53:20 pm
Not only have I never watched Survivor, I think Survivor, as the first mainstream reality show, is one of the many things that ruined American television.
I thought it was pretty much the consensus that we are living the golden age of (American) television right now. What do you mean?

I don't watch any other reality than Survivor, and obviously don't mean that Survivor or reality has contributed to this being the best time for TV in the slightest.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 20, 2016, 11:36:40 am
Anyone watch any of Angie Tribeca?  At first I thought it was quite poor, but I kept it on while doing other stuff, and I started to like it.  It's basically a throw-back to Police Squad/Naked Gun, and I really miss that kind of humor.  It doesn't quite have the comedic timing/delivery that made Leslie Nielsen so great, but nevertheless it reminds me of watching him as a kid.

Anyway, watch it if you like that kind of stuff, but be aware that it isn't elite.
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Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 20, 2016, 04:51:54 pm
I watched a few episodes of it and felt sort of the same way.  It is definitely the stupidest show I've ever watched but I found myself laughing a lot more than I felt like I should have.  I do think it has one of the highest "joke densities" I've ever seen, even though a lot of the jokes aren't funny.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: enfynet on January 20, 2016, 10:28:34 pm
Final Season of Parks and Recreation is on Netflix!

Guess I'm taking a break from The Clone Wars.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on January 21, 2016, 01:24:52 pm
I watched a few episodes of it and felt sort of the same way.  It is definitely the stupidest show I've ever watched but I found myself laughing a lot more than I felt like I should have.  I do think it has one of the highest "joke densities" I've ever seen, even though a lot of the jokes aren't funny.

This is how I feel about BMS.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 27, 2016, 03:54:28 pm
Final Season of Parks and Recreation is on Netflix!

Guess I'm taking a break from The Clone Wars.

I've seen a number of Parks and Recreation episodes on syndication, but I've never watched it from the beginning until about a week ago.  I'm into Season 3 now.  I've liked everything, but Season 3 is one of the funniest (and, charming really) things I've seen on television. 
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Post by: Titandrake on January 27, 2016, 03:56:53 pm
I binged Better Caul Saul a few days ago, and liked it a lot. It took a while to lay out all its groundwork, but it built up very well and now I'm curious about what happens next.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 27, 2016, 03:58:25 pm
I binged Better Caul Saul a few days ago, and liked it a lot. It took a while to lay out all its groundwork, but it built up very well and now I'm curious about what happens next.

It's great, really.  Especially the episode that focused on Mike, and Saul's flashback episode. 
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Post by: Kuildeous on February 19, 2016, 09:21:58 am
So I'm late to the party (by nearly 2 years, it seems), but I'm getting into Rick & Morty. I caught some episodes on Adult Swim and have been watching them out of order, which doesn't seem like a big deal except that the season 2 finale probably referred to recurring characters. Then again, it doesn't take much to introduce a new character and say that Rick's known him for a while. I have a suspicion that this character was introduced before.

I discovered that Rick & Morty is available on demand on Google Fiber, so I started watching from the beginning.

I agree that the pilot was overall weak. I could definitely take that or leave it. I actually did like "Lawnmower Dog." I read on here that it was also considered weak, but it gelled with me. Mostly because Rick was ragging on how nonsensical Inception was while re-enacting the plot in an even more nonsensical manner. I believe they drilled down into the fifth layer of dreams. That's a lot to cram into a half-hour show.

I really enjoyed the one where they went into his battery that was being powered by a race of beings he created only to learn that they stopped powering his battery because they developed power by creating a race of beings.

If I had to describe this to the uninitiated, I guess I'd say it was witty like Futurama, crude like Ren & Stimpy, and mindfuckity like Doctor Who. Although, Futurma had its own brand of mindfuckery.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2016, 09:45:49 am
Finally fully caught up with TWD, and watching episodes as they come now that we're past the mid-season break for Season 6.

This latest episode was crazy.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2016, 10:09:29 am
Finally fully caught up with TWD, and watching episodes as they come now that we're past the mid-season break for Season 6.

This latest episode was crazy.

I read the comics back between seasons 4 and 5, and I've been anticipating this episode since it became clear that the Alexandria storyline was going to be done in the show.  I couldn't help but overhype it, so I was slightly let down because I was so excited to see that particular scene, but overall I still thought it was good.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on February 19, 2016, 10:34:42 am
Haven't seen the latest episode, but read the comics (I think I'm like 3 issues behind). I'll be looking forward to this and hopefully won't be disappointed. :P
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2016, 10:51:05 am
Haven't seen the latest episode, but read the comics (I think I'm like 3 issues behind). I'll be looking forward to this and hopefully won't be disappointed. :P

I get volumes instead of individual issues, so I have to wait like 5ish months for each new one :(  Volume 25 should be coming out in April, I think.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2016, 10:51:59 am
Finally fully caught up with TWD, and watching episodes as they come now that we're past the mid-season break for Season 6.

This latest episode was crazy.

I read the comics back between seasons 4 and 5, and I've been anticipating this episode since it became clear that the Alexandria storyline was going to be done in the show.  I couldn't help but overhype it, so I was slightly let down because I was so excited to see that particular scene, but overall I still thought it was good.

I've only read the very first comic, so I'm not sure what you expected, but Carl getting shot in the eye and Rick's subsequent rage massacre was tremendous.  I can't say I'm sad that Rick's crush and her kids went down, as they were all annoying.  The one guy who I never want to die is Glenn, so I've been happy with all the ridiculous saves he's had this season.  Especially given he was supposed to have his throat cut at Terminus, per the comics.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2016, 10:54:51 am
Finally fully caught up with TWD, and watching episodes as they come now that we're past the mid-season break for Season 6.

This latest episode was crazy.

I read the comics back between seasons 4 and 5, and I've been anticipating this episode since it became clear that the Alexandria storyline was going to be done in the show.  I couldn't help but overhype it, so I was slightly let down because I was so excited to see that particular scene, but overall I still thought it was good.

I've only read the very first comic, so I'm not sure what you expected, but Carl getting shot in the eye and Rick's subsequent rage massacre was tremendous.  I can't say I'm sad that Rick's crush and her kids went down, as they were all annoying.  The one guy who I never want to die is Glenn, so I've been happy with all the ridiculous saves he's had this season.  Especially given he was supposed to have his throat cut at Terminus, per the comics.

Comic Spoilers:

He did not 'get his throat cut at Terminus' in the comics.  There was no Terminus in the comics, though there was an analogous (more brief) storyline.  But Glen did not die in the corresponding "Terminus" storyline in the comics.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on February 19, 2016, 05:02:26 pm
Haven't seen the latest episode, but read the comics (I think I'm like 3 issues behind). I'll be looking forward to this and hopefully won't be disappointed. :P

I get volumes instead of individual issues, so I have to wait like 5ish months for each new one :(  Volume 25 should be coming out in April, I think.

I'm not saying how I acquire my issues. But I read them separately and then I buy the compendiums.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2016, 05:15:17 pm
I have compendium I and II, and then III wasn't out by the time I finished II.  So I started getting some smaller publications.  It bothers me that everything isn't the same size now :(
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: gkrieg13 on February 20, 2016, 01:55:33 am
I just finished watching heroes. I'm sad that it had to end so abruptly.

I've already watched the season of heroes reborn that came out, and I thought it was great. It was fun to then go back and see the back story of all the characters.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 25, 2016, 10:41:16 am
I finally finished The Expanse.  I think it was quite good, especially for a SyFy channel show.  However, I didn't get as engrossed as I wanted to be.  Part of it could have been because of timing; I was so busy while it was being aired that I had to watch episodes here and there, spread out and often with some distraction.  Or it could be because of storytelling.

It seems to also suffer from this sound balance issue where auxiliary noise/sounds drowns out the (very important!) dialogue.  I only see this with some shows.. Hannibal, American Horror Story, The Expanse... 12 Monkeys, maybe?  It's weird, I feel like I can't focus on what the characters are saying, though I want to.  I don't have this issue with, e.g., Mad Men, The Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, The Leftovers.. all of which are require quite a bit of focus on dialogue.  I don't know, could be my imagination.

At any rate, The Expanse is interesting enough for me to want to watch Season 2.  I'll probably have to sit down and rewatch Season 1, too.

Also, Season 2 of 12 Monkeys is coming in April, so that should be cool.  Daredevil is coming out in March as well, which I'm really excited for.  Jon Bernthal as The Punisher should be great.

I also watched Master of None, Aziz Ansari's show on Netflix.  It's definitely good, kind of Louis-inspired.  I think it's pretty relatable, especially if you're around NYC.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: yuma on March 06, 2016, 08:41:43 pm
Has anyone else watched Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell?

I just finished watching it, a BBC mini-series and really enjoyed it and highly recommend it. I actually enjoyed it more than the book from which it is based. I think it was Galz that recommended the book to me. Basic premise is two magicians in eighteenth century England explore the lost arts of English magic and open up the world to new, dangerous types of magic. There is a fair amount of material that is deeper than that involving the politics of the era, education, women's rights and slavery but it is mostly about really cool magic offset in a Jane Austenesque tongue-in-cheek sensibility.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on March 15, 2016, 03:11:01 am
Has anybody watched Galavant?  I just caught up on the second season and I still find it really clever and fun.  The songs are catchy and it does plenty of great trope subversion.  The overall silliness just has me grinning all the way through.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on March 15, 2016, 08:06:00 am
Has anybody watched Galavant?  I just caught up on the second season and I still find it really clever and fun.  The songs are catchy and it does plenty of great trope subversion.  The overall silliness just has me grinning all the way through.

I finally just watched the first two episodes of this season. We've been way behind.

I honestly was surprised that something so niche was renewed for another season, but I'm glad it was. And the opening song of season 2 acknowledged how unlikely that was.

It helps that the show is self-aware and campy. If it took itself seriously, that would be disastrous.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 15, 2016, 06:07:08 pm
Has anybody watched Galavant?  I just caught up on the second season and I still find it really clever and fun.  The songs are catchy and it does plenty of great trope subversion.  The overall silliness just has me grinning all the way through.

I watched the first season and thought it was hilarious. Still need to watch season 2
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: KingZog3 on March 16, 2016, 12:18:20 am
I just binged the first season of Daredevil, since season 2 is coming soon. And I thought it was really good. Way better than Gotham, which I stopped liking very quickly because of the campy dialogue and weird colours and sets. Daredevil actually has some great choreographed action, and even a bunch of scenes with really cool camera work that isn't just lots of shaking and cutting. Episode 2 had this great fight in a hallway with the camera slowly moving back and forth and people entered and exited from rooms, it all looked really nice. Highly recommend for a fun, dark show with good action.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on March 16, 2016, 08:40:33 am
I just binged the first season of Daredevil, since season 2 is coming soon. And I thought it was really good. Way better than Gotham, which I stopped liking very quickly because of the campy dialogue and weird colours and sets. Daredevil actually has some great choreographed action, and even a bunch of scenes with really cool camera work that isn't just lots of shaking and cutting. Episode 2 had this great fight in a hallway with the camera slowly moving back and forth and people entered and exited from rooms, it all looked really nice. Highly recommend for a fun, dark show with good action.

That scene's been spoiled already. It's not really a great plot revealer, and people gush over that scene all over. It'll be held up as a pretty high bar for cinematic fight scenes. It's interesting to see how a lot of directors adopt the challenge in shooting scenes without any cuts.

Daredevil has another scene that was shot in a pretty cool way. I forget the exact details, but it involved a man sitting alone in a car with the camera rotating around him. It was far more subtle than the hallway scene but it was no less beautiful. It was a really tense moment, and the camera movement added to the tension.

Another fight scene that got my attention was in an episode of Arrow. Again, my memory is fuzzy on this, but I remember the camera pulling back into an elevator as the fight moved down the hall. They entered the elevator, and the doors shut while they kept fighting. When the doors opened, my brain picked up on something different. I had to rewind to verify it. The elevator changed floors (or they just wheeled in a new set, which seems likely). This was another instance of the director refusing to cut, and I noticed it. I'm not sure how many others did. I know at least one of my friends did because I posted about it on Facebook, and he agreed it was nicely done.

Sometimes it's little things. Nice to see that there are directors who take television as seriously as they do movies.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 09:10:56 am
I got a new TV when I moved.. 55", 4K HDTV... I totally went back to watch that hallway fight scene from Daredevil in 4K Ultra HD.

Also, Netflix has these living art things for 4K  TV's.  One is just a fire place... look so real I swear I could feel the heat.  Another is an underwater scene; it really looks more real than real life.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 09:13:43 am
In other news, I finished Mad Men recently (final episodes were finally put up on Netflix).  The entire series is amazing; it's, like, a paragon of storytelling.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 09:21:32 am
I also finished Parks and Rec.  As people have said, the last season was a step down.  I'm not sure why, but the jokes didn't work as well.  A lot of it was characters blatantly describing their traits in dialogue instead of actually acting them out.  I don't understand if the writing team changed or something.

However, some of the season was still good.  There were still great scenes, especially with Ron Swanson.  (The Beef Milk part is one of my favorite parts of the whole series.)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on March 16, 2016, 02:00:58 pm
I just binged the first season of Daredevil, since season 2 is coming soon. And I thought it was really good. Way better than Gotham, which I stopped liking very quickly because of the campy dialogue and weird colours and sets. Daredevil actually has some great choreographed action, and even a bunch of scenes with really cool camera work that isn't just lots of shaking and cutting. Episode 2 had this great fight in a hallway with the camera slowly moving back and forth and people entered and exited from rooms, it all looked really nice. Highly recommend for a fun, dark show with good action.

That scene's been spoiled already. It's not really a great plot revealer, and people gush over that scene all over. It'll be held up as a pretty high bar for cinematic fight scenes. It's interesting to see how a lot of directors adopt the challenge in shooting scenes without any cuts.

Daredevil has another scene that was shot in a pretty cool way. I forget the exact details, but it involved a man sitting alone in a car with the camera rotating around him. It was far more subtle than the hallway scene but it was no less beautiful. It was a really tense moment, and the camera movement added to the tension.

Another fight scene that got my attention was in an episode of Arrow. Again, my memory is fuzzy on this, but I remember the camera pulling back into an elevator as the fight moved down the hall. They entered the elevator, and the doors shut while they kept fighting. When the doors opened, my brain picked up on something different. I had to rewind to verify it. The elevator changed floors (or they just wheeled in a new set, which seems likely). This was another instance of the director refusing to cut, and I noticed it. I'm not sure how many others did. I know at least one of my friends did because I posted about it on Facebook, and he agreed it was nicely done.

Sometimes it's little things. Nice to see that there are directors who take television as seriously as they do movies.

The DD scene you mention involves the blind Chinese drug courier.  It's even more intense because he can't see what's happening, only hear.  It's pretty incredible.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on March 16, 2016, 03:23:56 pm
The DD scene you mention involves the blind Chinese drug courier.  It's even more intense because he can't see what's happening, only hear.  It's pretty incredible.

Yes, I thought so, but I wasn't confident enough to include that description. I just remember watching that and being drawn into the way the camera revolved around him. Or I should say I remember that vividly. I was about 90% certain the subject was blind.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 16, 2016, 04:18:03 pm
I also finished Parks and Rec.  As people have said, the last season was a step down.  I'm not sure why, but the jokes didn't work as well.  A lot of it was characters blatantly describing their traits in dialogue instead of actually acting them out.  I don't understand if the writing team changed or something.

However, some of the season was still good.  There were still great scenes, especially with Ron Swanson.  (The Beef Milk part is one of my favorite parts of the whole series.)

I love Parks and Rec, but I think it became a victim of its own success. It took awhile to find its footing, first season was weak, but the show really found its stride as the characters grew and the writers discovered the characters traits. People really liked them and wanted good things to happen to them and then at a certain point the writers had kinda written themselves into a corner. Good things had happened to the characters and they didn't seem to want to make bad things happen to them any more, it was a light comedy where you felt good watching people you liked. They didn't want to break from the formula (quirky characters + good things happen to good people) and they kinda ran out of new good things to happen and the quirkiness of the characters started to feel forced. I'll still always remember the show fondly, but when the characters feel like scrappy underdogs it's a lot better.

On a side note, I feel like Brooklyn Nine Nine is in danger of falling into the same trap now that it's finally found its stride and wonder if it will follow the same sort of arc as Parks and Rec.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: 2.71828..... on March 22, 2016, 03:43:55 am
Why am I still awake?  Oh yeah, I started watching season 2 of Daredevil and I haven't been able to stop
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 22, 2016, 12:52:29 pm
Why am I still awake?  Oh yeah, I started watching season 2 of Daredevil and I haven't been able to stop

I haven't finished it yet, but I like the main Punisher plotline a lot so far. The second plotline involving Electra isn't quite as compelling, but it's still pretty good overall. I like that they're making an effort to show off Foggy's courtroom abilities in this season as in the first season it didn't really feel like they were particularly competent lawyers. Just tenacious ones.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 05, 2016, 05:48:12 pm
So, the Walking Dead finale.  I'm not going to put in and spoiler tags because it's long, but I'll leave out any significant comic spoilers.  Don't read further unless you've watched up through the end of Season 6.





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Show Spoilers Below
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I'm getting tired of everyone constantly complaining about things.  Admittedly, I primarily check out imdb boards which are pretty toxic and trolly (I should really stop, but imdb is a convenient place to get information on shows/movies I'm interested in), so my view may be distorted.  But almost every episode comes with a barrage of trivial complaints, and this has episode was a culmination of it.

I get that people don't like cliffhangers.  Personally, I feel showing the death and having the last shot be the mutilated corpse would have left a larger impact.  On the other hand, they probably couldn't have made is as graphic as the novel, so it may have fallen short any way.  We'll have to see what they show next episode.  Also, the PoV shot was good in and of itself.  And, it's interesting to see everyone analyze all the details to try to figure things out.  (This part was fun for shows like True Detective.)

At any rate, I'd still prefer not to have a cliffhanger, but I don't have any problem with it.  People are throwing around a lot of words like 'gimmick', 'lazy', 'cheap', etc.  I don't understand where these people are coming from at all.  Of course they want you to watch next season; why wouldn't they?  I haven't read anything convincing that ending the episode without revealing who died harms the storytelling.  Really, "we're going to kill off a main character" is a gimmick in the first place; Kirkman basically said this; he knew that he had to do something fresh in the 100th issue, and this was it.  Gimmick or not, the storytelling is good.

The rest of the episode... I've read a number of people complaining it was boring.  Man, I don't see it.  It was tense.  The main point here is we see a deconstruction of Rick's entire way of thinking.  After pendulum swings between hanging on to old-world humanity and adopting new-world brutality, Rick has settled in to what he thinks is the new way of thinking in this world.  He doesn't take chances any more, but community is still the most important thing.  He's trying to build something in Alexandria, and he believes he can do it.  They've encountered numerous threats from people and survived (Governor, the Marauders, Terminus cannibals, the Wolves), and they had a huge breakthrough in the mid-season premiere (S6:09), where they took care of an entire hoard of Walkers and realize that they are simply something that can be managed.  He has such confidence that they can take care of whatever this new threat is that he jumps headfirst into an agreement to take out Negan.  And it works almost flawlessly. (Even though Carol and Maggie were captured, they weren't hurt.)  Even upon learning that there were more of them, and even after losing one of their own, he still believes he'll win, and they make a point of him saying so in recent episodes.  He even says so in the finale to Maggie.  Even after their first roadblock, he's still certain he'll come out on top.  Even after the second and into the third one, he has confidence.  He gradually starts to get worried (when he realizes they were shooting as their feet), and in the fourth/fifth one he finally starts to show worry ("we're going to need the bullets").  You gradually see more worry and fear in his face, and by the end of the episode, when they are caught by Negan's group, he is downright terrified.  He's completely helpless and he knows it, and he has no idea what to do.  He doesn't say anything during Negan's entire speech (except for the one outburst), and I don't think chose to do it because it was a better choice; I think he was simply too terrified to speak. 

The entire season has been about paradigm shifts for Rick.  He starts out with a isolationist philosophy (recall he and Daryl's conversation in S6:01, his conversations with Deanna, his 'us and them' attitude towards saving Spencer, etc.), and halfway through the season he realizes that he's been thinking about everything all wrong.  He realizes they can build Alexandria together and make is strong, and that people together can accomplish so much more than individuals (his speech to Carl in the coma).  And the finale completely destroys that optimism and confidence and makes him realize he doesn't know anything.  A recurring theme in TWD story.  Showing that the Saviors were ahead of them every step of the way, in multiple places with different people in different ways, just hammers this point in even more.  At this point they seem like an absolute unbeatable force (even moreso than in the comics).  The juxtaposition of the ease of which they dispatched the outpost and the confidence it gave them and the absolute beatdown they just received in the finale is exaggerated in the show, I think to good effect.  It's probably stronger if you watch the episodes contiguously without commercials. 

Andrew Lincoln's acting was top-notch in this episode.  And Negan... I loved Jeffery Dean Morgan; I thought his speech delivery was perfect.  I found it odd that he wasn't clean-shaven, just because that's Negan's iconic look (maybe they wanted the 'I better shave this' line?), and he did seem thinner (less muscle) than in, say, Watchmen.  Even so, I thought his presence was great, and some of the lines made me audibly laugh ("It's an emotional moment, I get it!").  Would have been nice if he could have said 'fuck' or 'fucking' a few times, but that's been a gap between comics and show since the beginning. 

Carol and Morgan.. I like their story.  Morgan finally kills someone, as Carol said he would.  Though he's already 'corrupted' Carol, as she arguably would have never gotten to this point if Morgan hadn't came into her life and tried to show her another way.  So they corrupt each other, and now they're off somewhere that we can figure out if we've read the comics. 

All-in-all, I think the episode was great.  I think showing the death would have made it ... bigger, maybe?  On the other hand, it would have been 'the thing' of the episode, and would have taken the focus off other parts.  I don't know, hard to say. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Awaclus on April 05, 2016, 05:56:08 pm
Don't read further unless you've watched up through the end of Season 6.

Ha, I read further even though I've never seen a single episode! What are you going to do about that?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: jonts26 on April 05, 2016, 09:35:19 pm
Don't read further unless you've watched up through the end of Season 6.

Ha, I read further even though I've never seen a single episode! What are you going to do about that?

You truly are n anarchist.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on April 06, 2016, 03:09:00 am
So, the Walking Dead finale.

I agree pretty much with everything said here. One thing I want to mention, though, is that TV-Negan feels less like a schoolyard bully to me. This pretty much only from his speech.


As for the cliffhanger, I'm not sure what is worse. Not knowing who died and have to wait for next season to find out. Or knowing and be sad about it and not wanting to watch the next season.

I think it might have something to do with me having read the graphic novel. But after finish watching this episode, I went to sleep in less than five minutes. I guess that could also make me an emotionally distant psychopath.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on April 06, 2016, 09:38:40 am
So, the Walking Dead finale.

I agree pretty much with everything said here. One thing I want to mention, though, is that TV-Negan feels less like a schoolyard bully to me. This pretty much only from his speech.


As for the cliffhanger, I'm not sure what is worse. Not knowing who died and have to wait for next season to find out. Or knowing and be sad about it and not wanting to watch the next season.

I think it might have something to do with me having read the graphic novel. But after finish watching this episode, I went to sleep in less than five minutes. I guess that could also make me an emotionally distant psychopath.

I think I'm in the minority because I'm okay with the cliffhanger.

I've seen some interesting chatter about it already, like it's Glenn because of some audio someone thinks is him saying Maggie and Maggie's screams being the loudest, or it's Abraham because he just did his I can have a life with you Sasha speech and TWD loves to kill people at those kind of moments and he tweeted something in the past tense that he deleted, or that it's Darryl because he's already hurting and he has a new show and he's not a comic book character anyway.

I agree with most everything else WW said.  I liked the episode, it felt super intense, maybe one less roadblock would have been fine, but it worked.  The subplot got interesting with the "knights" in armor folks showing up.

Can't wait for October!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 06, 2016, 09:46:50 am
The most convincing argument that I've seen that it is Glen is that the episode has four or five PoV shots from the group locked in the van.  It ends on a PoV shot, so it's not unreasonable that this is the same person's PoV.  Otherwise, why show the shots in the first place?  (Well, I thought it was a cool regardless, but it does seem reasonable that it could be a hint.)  This limits it to Glen, Daryl, Michonne, Rosita.  There is reason from the comics to think that Negan won't kill a woman here.  People have analyzed the frames and think they can see Daryl's hair/head outline while they are leaving the van, meaning Daryl isn't the PoV person.  That leaves Glen.  Personally, I like Glen, but I think it would be really great to have him narrowly escape death so many times in such cliche was (the bat scene at Terminus) only to have him killed here.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 06, 2016, 09:51:22 am
Also, there is this analysis of the entire scene (contains spoilers of the episode):

http://imgur.com/gallery/jN0X2Un

I don't think the analysis is actually correct (because I think they intentionally 'mis-shot' positions and angles to prevent this kind of thing; Gimple basically said as much), but it's still cool analysis.   
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Robz888 on April 09, 2016, 10:31:29 pm
My prediction: Eugene. He got his small moment of heroism, and he handed over the bullet-making plans. That was a pretty pointless scene, in retrospect, if he lives.

I don't think it's Glen. Don't think they'd bother drawing it out all summer if it was just going to be Glen.

The writers don't have the nerve to kill Darryl.

Michonne has too much story left; her relationship with Rick is still too fresh.

It's not going to be Maggie, from a narrative standpoint, the pregnancy offers too much else to do with her.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2016, 11:40:47 pm
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on April 10, 2016, 10:44:48 am
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was just terrible through and through.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 10, 2016, 02:55:10 pm
My prediction: Eugene. He got his small moment of heroism, and he handed over the bullet-making plans. That was a pretty pointless scene, in retrospect, if he lives.

I don't think it's Glen. Don't think they'd bother drawing it out all summer if it was just going to be Glen.

The writers don't have the nerve to kill Darryl.

Michonne has too much story left; her relationship with Rick is still too fresh.

It's not going to be Maggie, from a narrative standpoint, the pregnancy offers too much else to do with her.

These are valid, but they could also be red herrings.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 10, 2016, 08:56:25 pm
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was just terrible through and through.

You should try going a little further.  The first few episodes feel really generic and poor, but it gets so much better.  The third episode is the one that really flipped the script.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2016, 02:37:35 am
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was just terrible through and through.

You should try going a little further.  The first few episodes feel really generic and poor, but it gets so much better.  The third episode is the one that really flipped the script.

I made it through the first season -- it is enjoyable, but you (generic you who hasn't seen the show) need to realize that it's for 13-year old girls and just accept that it's Glee in the future after the world ends.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 11, 2016, 04:27:03 am
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was just terrible through and through.

You should try going a little further.  The first few episodes feel really generic and poor, but it gets so much better.  The third episode is the one that really flipped the script.

I made it through the first season -- it is enjoyable, but you (generic you who hasn't seen the show) need to realize that it's for 13-year old girls and just accept that it's Glee in the future after the world ends.

I disagree so very much, and I'm saying that as somebody who has actually watched all of Glee.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2016, 04:40:32 am
Anybody watching The 100?  Because it continues to go places I never expected.  What a wild show.

I couldn't finish the first episode. It was just terrible through and through.

You should try going a little further.  The first few episodes feel really generic and poor, but it gets so much better.  The third episode is the one that really flipped the script.

I made it through the first season -- it is enjoyable, but you (generic you who hasn't seen the show) need to realize that it's for 13-year old girls and just accept that it's Glee in the future after the world ends.

I disagree so very much, and I'm saying that as somebody who has actually watched all of Glee.

To be fair, I haven't seen a single episode of Glee, so I could be wrong there.

My point is that it's a show for tweens and teens, like Hunger Games.  It's YA.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Awaclus on April 11, 2016, 05:45:11 am
To be fair, I haven't seen a single episode of Glee, so I could be wrong there.

I have seen a single episode of Glee, and it sounds like you're exactly right there, although I haven't seen any of the 100.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on April 11, 2016, 08:06:23 am
I kind of want to rewatch the pilot of Glee. I don't remember anything specific about that episode, but I remember being impressed by its sardonic take of school life. Not as dark as Heathers, but I saw great promise there.

But then it went a different direction and became more like a soap opera. It no longer gave me that Heathers vibe.

So now I'm curious if the show had always been this way, or was I projecting a darkness onto it that wasn't there?

That's not to say the soap opera aspect wasn't well done. Kurt's relationship with his father was very touching, and the coach's human side came out, but I found it tiresome after a while.
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Post by: Witherweaver on April 11, 2016, 08:39:38 am
My prediction: Eugene. He got his small moment of heroism, and he handed over the bullet-making plans. That was a pretty pointless scene, in retrospect, if he lives.

I don't think it's Glen. Don't think they'd bother drawing it out all summer if it was just going to be Glen.

The writers don't have the nerve to kill Darryl.

Michonne has too much story left; her relationship with Rick is still too fresh.

It's not going to be Maggie, from a narrative standpoint, the pregnancy offers too much else to do with her.

These are valid, but they could also be red herrings.

Oh, another one, and I guess this is a bit of a comic/possible TV spoiler:

When Maggie is talking to Rick in the RV, she says, "I believe in you."  Seems like an intentional reference to her "I believe in Rick Grimes" speech from the comics, which is a pretty pivotal moment for her as it gets the Hilltop people fighting Negan together with Alexandria and solidifies her as the Hilltop leader.  When I first saw it, my first thought was, "She may die," because it indicates they may not use the line later. 

I think all the major 'supporting' characters have had some kind of indication that they're not going to make it, which is why I think they're throwing out a bunch of red herrings to keep people guessing.
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Post by: yuma on April 11, 2016, 10:37:07 am
I kind of want to rewatch the pilot of Glee. I don't remember anything specific about that episode, but I remember being impressed by its sardonic take of school life. Not as dark as Heathers, but I saw great promise there.

But then it went a different direction and became more like a soap opera. It no longer gave me that Heathers vibe.

So now I'm curious if the show had always been this way, or was I projecting a darkness onto it that wasn't there?

That's not to say the soap opera aspect wasn't well done. Kurt's relationship with his father was very touching, and the coach's human side came out, but I found it tiresome after a while.

Oh it was dark. Wasn't the whole reason Mr. Schue got to be the Glee Director was because Lea Michele's character accused the previous director of sexual molestation? It was presented in kinda a funny way, but that was totally messed up.

And then Mr. Schue basically blackmails Finn into participating by planting marijuana on him... which he bought from the previous Glee director...

The soap opera aspect certainly got in its way as it tried to develop. But the underlying edge of darkness was what kept me interested in the show for the first few seasons.
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Post by: Kuildeous on April 11, 2016, 01:15:57 pm
which he bought from the previous Glee director...

Oh, that's right! That was the guy from Memento and Sneakers, right? It's coming back to me now.

Now I'm actually interested in going back to watch it. I forgot about those scenes. Yeah, so I wasn't just projecting darkness onto the show.

Fun trivia: One of the snob girls at Rachel's new school was an actress I tutored in math a while back. I also did a couple of shows with her, though in both cases our characters never interacted. I had stopped watching Glee, but I watched that episode since my former client was on it. It was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it scenario.

But she has her day now. She's starring in Shadowhunters. I feel kind of bad because I only watched the first episode, but I dutifully have all of season 1 on DVR, because when someone you performed with makes it big, it's hard not to pay attention.
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Post by: eHalcyon on April 11, 2016, 01:55:40 pm
To be fair, I haven't seen a single episode of Glee, so I could be wrong there.

My point is that it's a show for tweens and teens, like Hunger Games.  It's YA.

I can accept that sentiment a little more, but using Glee is a terrible comparison.  Youth and YA-targeted media can deal with some heavy, dramatic stuff.  Glee never rose to "quality television" status and was mostly just campy fun, even when it occasionally touched on serious subjects.  Hunger Games is an alright comparison with The 100, but I think the latter has much more interesting storytelling.  As I said above, the show just keeps on going to unexpected places.

I mean, in episode 3, the leading male protagonist is siddenly killed by a 13-year old girl and the fallout is super interesting.  Characters continually face tough moral decisions and then they actually deal with the consequences.  It's good stuff.

Out of curiosity, do you also put the current smattering of superhero shows in the same YA bucket as Glee?  Arrow, Flash, Agents of Shield, etc.  Because I think The 100 is dealing with deeper, tougher material than any of those.  I'm putting it more on par with Person of Interest.
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Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2016, 03:06:10 pm
To be fair, I haven't seen a single episode of Glee, so I could be wrong there.

My point is that it's a show for tweens and teens, like Hunger Games.  It's YA.

I can accept that sentiment a little more, but using Glee is a terrible comparison.  Youth and YA-targeted media can deal with some heavy, dramatic stuff.  Glee never rose to "quality television" status and was mostly just campy fun, even when it occasionally touched on serious subjects.  Hunger Games is an alright comparison with The 100, but I think the latter has much more interesting storytelling.  As I said above, the show just keeps on going to unexpected places.

I mean, in episode 3, the leading male protagonist is siddenly killed by a 13-year old girl and the fallout is super interesting.  Characters continually face tough moral decisions and then they actually deal with the consequences.  It's good stuff.

Out of curiosity, do you also put the current smattering of superhero shows in the same YA bucket as Glee?  Arrow, Flash, Agents of Shield, etc.  Because I think The 100 is dealing with deeper, tougher material than any of those.  I'm putting it more on par with Person of Interest.

I think some of the superhero stuff falls into YA for sure (Supergirl and Flash definitely), but not all of it (Daredevil, Gotham).

As admitted, I only have assumptions of Glee, so I could be way off base there.  To me, The 100 is a serialized Hunger Games/Divergent/Maze Runner...and that's okay.  I liked the first season, but the promos did not make it clear that this was about high school drama in a futuristic post-apocalypse setting.  I mean, the who likes who/who's dating who/oh no my girlfriend is here now stuff was pretty pervasive.

Maybe it got grittier in the subsequent seasons, but all the dating/big brother doesn't approve/no he's a good guy not trying to kill us stuff was annoying.  They even have bullies and geeks and everything.  It's a high school drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 11, 2016, 04:32:36 pm
As admitted, I only have assumptions of Glee, so I could be way off base there.  To me, The 100 is a serialized Hunger Games/Divergent/Maze Runner...and that's okay.  I liked the first season, but the promos did not make it clear that this was about high school drama in a futuristic post-apocalypse setting.  I mean, the who likes who/who's dating who/oh no my girlfriend is here now stuff was pretty pervasive.

Maybe it got grittier in the subsequent seasons, but all the dating/big brother doesn't approve/no he's a good guy not trying to kill us stuff was annoying.  They even have bullies and geeks and everything.  It's a high school drama.

The relationship stuff was a pretty minor part of the story even in season 1, IMO.  I think there was more of it in Daredevil season 2 than in The 100.  Gotham doesn't have a great track record there either, what with the relationship drama that both Bruce and Jim have been involved in. 

As for The 100, the relationship drama was incidental to the primary conflicts between the different groups -- the native grounders, the kids who were sent down, the people on the space station.  And each group has conflicting factions within them.  The later seasons have added even more wrinkles to the political landscape.  Along with all that, there is some really compelling show mythology in the history of this world.  To call it just a "high school drama" is unfair, like saying that Gotham is only about an angsty orphan boy.

And just to be clear, I think your assessment of Glee is fine.  I just don't agree that it can be fairly applied to The 100.
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Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2016, 04:47:30 pm
As admitted, I only have assumptions of Glee, so I could be way off base there.  To me, The 100 is a serialized Hunger Games/Divergent/Maze Runner...and that's okay.  I liked the first season, but the promos did not make it clear that this was about high school drama in a futuristic post-apocalypse setting.  I mean, the who likes who/who's dating who/oh no my girlfriend is here now stuff was pretty pervasive.

Maybe it got grittier in the subsequent seasons, but all the dating/big brother doesn't approve/no he's a good guy not trying to kill us stuff was annoying.  They even have bullies and geeks and everything.  It's a high school drama.

The relationship stuff was a pretty minor part of the story even in season 1, IMO.  I think there was more of it in Daredevil season 2 than in The 100.  Gotham doesn't have a great track record there either, what with the relationship drama that both Bruce and Jim have been involved in. 

As for The 100, the relationship drama was incidental to the primary conflicts between the different groups -- the native grounders, the kids who were sent down, the people on the space station.  And each group has conflicting factions within them.  The later seasons have added even more wrinkles to the political landscape.  Along with all that, there is some really compelling show mythology in the history of this world.  To call it just a "high school drama" is unfair, like saying that Gotham is only about an angsty orphan boy.

And just to be clear, I think your assessment of Glee is fine.  I just don't agree that it can be fairly applied to The 100.

You might be right about the other stuff, but I think you are being too kind to The 100 if you are trying to say the relationship stuff was minor...

I mean...there was: Clark + Finn + Raven, Clark + Jaha, Clark + Bellamy, Octavia + Jasper + Lincoln, and that was just in one season.  Multiple love triangles, forbidden love, etc. etc.  It was basically the entire show.
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Post by: eHalcyon on April 11, 2016, 05:07:45 pm
You might be right about the other stuff, but I think you are being too kind to The 100 if you are trying to say the relationship stuff was minor...

I mean...there was: Clark + Finn + Raven, Clark + Jaha, Clark + Bellamy, Octavia + Jasper + Lincoln, and that was just in one season.  Multiple love triangles, forbidden love, etc. etc.  It was basically the entire show.

I think you were reading too much into most of those.  Clarke+Finn+Raven sure, and Octavia+Lincoln yeah.  But I don't agree that the others were ever used for any sort of drama.  Octavia+Jasper was just very minor flirting IIRC.  Clarke+Wells and Clarke+Bellamy weren't really anything other than them being leading protagonists together.  In the case of the latter, their relationship was adversarial in season 1, not romantic at all.  Not to mention, the Clarke+Finn+Raven triangle wasn't really mined for much drama, e.g. I don't remember Clarke and Raven ever fighting about it.

The relationship stuff was incidental to the bigger picture.  If you think that was the entire show, you're ignoring all of the sci-fi and political elements.
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Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2016, 05:15:41 pm
You might be right about the other stuff, but I think you are being too kind to The 100 if you are trying to say the relationship stuff was minor...

I mean...there was: Clark + Finn + Raven, Clark + Jaha, Clark + Bellamy, Octavia + Jasper + Lincoln, and that was just in one season.  Multiple love triangles, forbidden love, etc. etc.  It was basically the entire show.

I think you were reading too much into most of those.  Clarke+Finn+Raven sure, and Octavia+Lincoln yeah.  But I don't agree that the others were ever used for any sort of drama.  Octavia+Jasper was just very minor flirting IIRC.  Clarke+Wells and Clarke+Bellamy weren't really anything other than them being leading protagonists together.  In the case of the latter, their relationship was adversarial in season 1, not romantic at all.  Not to mention, the Clarke+Finn+Raven triangle wasn't really mined for much drama, e.g. I don't remember Clarke and Raven ever fighting about it.

The relationship stuff was incidental to the bigger picture.  If you think that was the entire show, you're ignoring all of the sci-fi and political elements.

I don't know what you are trying to do, but you can't ignore the fact that The 100 is YA.

That's not an insult, it's just a category.  The book is YA SF.  That's the show's premise and goal as well.  It's not BG or Star Trek, man.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 11, 2016, 05:21:22 pm
I don't know what you are trying to do, but you can't ignore the fact that The 100 is YA.

That's not an insult, it's just a category.  The book is YA SF.  That's the show's premise and goal as well.  It's not BG or Star Trek, man.

I have no disagreement about that.  I'm just arguing against your statement that the show is all high school relationship drama, and not because I think it is insulting but because I think it is inaccurate.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2016, 05:36:19 pm
Is anyone watching Bob's Burgers?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 11, 2016, 05:38:47 pm
Is anyone watching Bob's Burgers?

Nah, it's basically Glee.
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Post by: Awaclus on April 11, 2016, 05:44:38 pm
Is anyone watching Bob's Burgers?

Well, I don't know for sure, but I think it's pretty safe to say that someone is watching Bob's Burgers.
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Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2016, 05:45:31 pm
I think more people should. It's very, very good.
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Post by: jonts26 on April 11, 2016, 06:10:33 pm
Is anyone watching Bob's Burgers?

Season 5 is on netflix. I'm working through it. I know most people disagree with me but Bob's Burgers > Archer.
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Post by: 2.71828..... on April 11, 2016, 09:38:08 pm
Is anyone watching Bob's Burgers?

Season 5 is on netflix. I'm working through it. I know most people disagree with me but Bob's Burgers > Archer.

I don't know....it is a close one.  I definitely enjoy Bob's Burgers more having watched Archer first.  But yeah, I am about halfway through season 5 of Bob's Burgers and have finished season 6 of Archer (watching on Netflix).  Bob's Burgers definitely keeps getting better as the seasons continue.
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Post by: pingpongsam on April 13, 2016, 03:49:20 pm
When I travel which is often I always keep Cartoon Network playing in the hotel room. I don't have any subscription television at home so this is when I see Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Teen Titans, American Dad, and Amazing World of Gumball. there are others of course but I especially like all the ones I listed.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 22, 2016, 02:33:17 pm
I can't fucking wait for Preacher tonight. 


That is all.
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Post by: Kuildeous on May 23, 2016, 08:01:46 am
I can't fucking wait for Preacher tonight. 

I wish Time Warner would stop being a bitch and let Google show AMC so I can watch Preacher. I couldn't watch Better Call Saul either. I'll have to wait for Netflix.

On another topic, I'm like half a dozen episodes behind on Gotham, but I see in commercials that Fish is coming back. Without getting into spoilers, is her return truly dreadful? I think I'm at the point where Freeze is put into Strange's care. I'm not sure if I want to continue the series if Fish is back. I felt the Freeze subplot was making things interesting again.
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Post by: ashersky on May 23, 2016, 05:56:08 pm
I just binge watched the entire series of Breakout Kings.  Love that show.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 08, 2016, 11:36:38 am
I am all caught up on Flash and Arrow. I was so behind. I still haven’t watched Legends of Tomorrow.

I felt like Arrow was kind of missing the mark toward the end of the season. I’m not sure why exactly. I suppose I felt that Darhk was getting to be tedious. He’s invincible except when he isn’t, but he makes himself invincible again, at least until the Ghostbusters trick.

I caught up on Flash first, which was a mistake, because I learned of Laurel’s death before it happened. I should have known better, especially since Flash spoiled the existence of the Black Canary.

I enjoyed them, though I think that this would be a good stopping point for Arrow. Besides, the flashbacks have nearly caught up with the pilot, so what else can they do with the flashbacks?

I haven’t watched Supergirl yet. It was recorded on an older DVR, and I don’t know if I have all the episodes recorded or not.

My wife and I are giving up Grimm. We stopped watching around season 3, I believe. We realized we didn’t give any thought to what happened at the wedding. So we’ll just wipe them off the DVR. I’m sure we can watch it on Netflix if we are interested again.

And good news! Google Fiber now carries AMC, so I can check out Preacher. Hopefully I’m not too late.

I’m also behind on Gotham. I saw a commercial that Fish is back. Is it worth continuing with Gotham? I feel like I may not lose any sleep over ditching this one. I believe I left off shortly after Freeze is placed in Strange’s care.
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Post by: pingpongsam on June 08, 2016, 12:16:55 pm
Grimm, yeah, it has jumped the shark, mostly with the Juliette/Eve thing. I like the Crusades-Miracle stick storyline. The Diana/Kelly kid thing is not bad. The Lyncanthropia story arc I thought was decent and certainly provides new character insertions for the future. I still haven't watched the last episode of the latest season. I don't know if I will continue with the show in subsequent seasons.

Just started Aquarius, it seems pretty good. Great premise, some fairly weak acting. Definitely some gut wrenching stuff right up front in the first 3 episodes I've watched so far.

Also, Scream, the TV series. It's a guilty pleasure I indulge in when I don't have the energy for anything that requires actual thought or I'm too tired to watch a full episode and I feel okay just stopping halfway through this stuff.
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Post by: eHalcyon on June 08, 2016, 01:41:49 pm
Arrow flashbacks still have to go over Oliver's time with the Russian bratva.  That's almost certainly where he's going next season, given the time remaining and his promise to Taiana.

I'm actually really enjoying the recent Grimm episodes, more than much of the earlier stuff. I like the more serialized elements, and the latest finale was one of the best episodes yet IMO.
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Post by: 2.71828..... on June 08, 2016, 02:15:28 pm
Arrow flashbacks still have to go over Oliver's time with the Russian bratva.  That's almost certainly where he's going next season, given the time remaining and his promise to Taiana.

I'm actually really enjoying the recent Grimm episodes, more than much of the earlier stuff. I like the more serialized elements, and the latest finale was one of the best episodes yet IMO.

Except now Juliette  (like, actual Juliette) is probably back. So, we will see how next season goes.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on June 08, 2016, 02:27:02 pm
Arrow flashbacks still have to go over Oliver's time with the Russian bratva.  That's almost certainly where he's going next season, given the time remaining and his promise to Taiana.

I'm actually really enjoying the recent Grimm episodes, more than much of the earlier stuff. I like the more serialized elements, and the latest finale was one of the best episodes yet IMO.

Except now Juliette  (like, actual Juliette) is probably back. So, we will see how next season goes.

Yeah, that'll be touchy. Mostly I enjoyed the finale because of how it sets up the threat of Diana for next season.
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Post by: Jimmmmm on June 09, 2016, 12:13:01 am
My wife and I have been watching The 100 (almost finished Season 1 I think). We're enjoying it (apart from the major love triangle which has pretty much ruined Raven's character) but kind of wondering what the target audience is. Obviously it has teeny characters, but it's very heavy. We're also watching The Walking Dead (Season 4), which, apart from when there's immediate danger or death, is fairly light in comparison.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 09, 2016, 09:35:54 am
My wife and I have been watching The 100 (almost finished Season 1 I think). We're enjoying it (apart from the major love triangle which has pretty much ruined Raven's character) but kind of wondering what the target audience is. Obviously it has teeny characters, but it's very heavy. We're also watching The Walking Dead (Season 4), which, apart from when there's immediate danger or death, is fairly light in comparison.

Where are you in Walking Dead?  I think it gets much much better around episode 8 of Season 4, and more grim. 
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 09, 2016, 11:05:17 am
I'm enjoying 12 Monkeys more and more.  For a SyFy channel show, it's really good.  By HBO/AMC standards, it's not as strong, I guess, but I still like it.  This week's show did a cool little homage to Groundhog Day.  Apparently some of the other episodes have also intentionally taken plot points from other time travel movies.  It's hard not to tread the same ground that other time travel stories have, and being overt about it is a cool way to deal with that, I think.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 09, 2016, 03:21:10 pm
Also, Preacher is fantastic.  I liked the second episode a lot.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 10, 2016, 09:51:01 am
Now that Google and Time Warner have been able to play nice together, I finally get AMC. And AMC is nice enough to repeat Preacher a zillion times so I can record from the beginning. Excellent.
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Post by: ashersky on June 11, 2016, 01:17:24 pm
Anyone watch the pilot for Wrecked?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on June 15, 2016, 03:46:03 am
I started and then finished watching The Catch (season 1, only 10 episodes).  Doesn't seem like particularly high quality writing, but I enjoyed it nonetheless mostly because it hit some of the same beats as heist/caper films.  To that end, I may start watching Hustle, knowing nothing else about it except that it's about long cons.

I started watching Better Off Ted.  I like it.
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Post by: Kuildeous on July 07, 2016, 07:50:30 am
I never read the graphic novels, so I can’t speak on its faithfulness, but I’m really digging the style of Preacher. I like how everything is shot. I like how the characters are portrayed. I got a pretty good chuckle at the opening of this week’s episode when the angels were fighting each other, though apparently it was not obvious to the seraphim to stop killing the angels.
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Post by: Witherweaver on July 07, 2016, 09:45:50 am
I never read the graphic novels, so I can’t speak on its faithfulness, but I’m really digging the style of Preacher. I like how everything is shot. I like how the characters are portrayed. I got a pretty good chuckle at the opening of this week’s episode when the angels were fighting each other, though apparently it was not obvious to the seraphim to stop killing the angels.

The story is told much differently, with a lot of features moved around or refactored.  Some characters are new, some are brought in from different parts of the story.  The comics start off further ahead in the story, too.. there is no time spent in the town with Jesse as an actual preacher.  Cassidy is pretty faithful to the comics, Tulip is a bit refactored (not quite the gun-ho criminal in the comics that she is here), though still I think faithfully adapted, and Jesse is in a different place in his character arc.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on July 07, 2016, 10:13:59 am
Ah, I figured there had to be more to the story than just Jesse trying to save his town. I don’t know what all he is capable of, but his interaction with Eugene shows that it’s not just mind control. They’re at least doing a good job of keeping me hooked.

I’m a little confused about the interaction between Tulip and Emily. Tulip marched into Emily’s home, yelled at her, and smashed her kid’s art project. She became contrite and offered to fix the damage, so I can appreciate that, but after that outburst, I wouldn’t be that buddy-buddy with her. Granted, Emily made the right call in not taking Tulip up on her offer to watch her daughter. I wouldn’t trust my kid with her either. Entrusting her with bulletins and wine made more sense.

But that seemed like a pretty sudden shift in their relationship.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 07, 2016, 11:07:27 am
I'm not 100% certain on the Tulip character, because comic knowledge doesn't give insight into the show version.  I think there are a few things going on here.  One, she's impulsive.  Two, her goal is to get Jesse back, and I think she'll use anyone for that (Cassidy, Emily).  Three, even though she's not the most upstanding citizen, I think she has sympathy for victims and the less fortunate.  In regards to her coming back specifically and helping, I think she legitimately felt bad.  She said she used to have a child.  The helping out with church errands seemed to be covering an ulterior motive (relating to Jesse somehow).

Emily is just nice, I think.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on July 08, 2016, 01:20:36 am
My wife and I have been watching The 100 (almost finished Season 1 I think). We're enjoying it (apart from the major love triangle which has pretty much ruined Raven's character) but kind of wondering what the target audience is. Obviously it has teeny characters, but it's very heavy. We're also watching The Walking Dead (Season 4), which, apart from when there's immediate danger or death, is fairly light in comparison.

I recently watched the series and is now rewatching it with my wife. The show is based on a young adult book series. First season is verry young adult in general. Season 2 is REALLY dark, though. And also different from season 1. I very much enjoy the series, though. Especially season 2 and 3.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on July 14, 2016, 11:33:52 pm
A while ago I was in the mood to watch a Heist/Caper film or show.  I stumbled upon an old BBC series, Hustle.  Really enjoying it so far.  Some episodes have twists and setups that are obvious to see, but others are nicely obfuscated until the full plan is revealed and the puzzle pieces fall into place.  There was at least one episode where the resolution really caught me off guard.
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Post by: ashersky on July 15, 2016, 02:57:25 pm
So, I just wanted to share my thoughts on Hibana : Spark on Netflix.

It might be the greatest show ever made.

So, to get them out of the way, my biases: I love Japan and all things Japanese; a lot of the show is shot on location in Kichijoji, including the park there, where I spent many of my formative years; I find any show that can made me extremely sad while also laughing out loud to be incredible.

Hibana is about two guys trying to make it in manzai, which is basically the most popular form of Japanese stand-up comedy.  One of the two meets a veteran comedian and becomes his apprentice.  The show is ten episodes, one for every year, and basically follows the two guys (known as Sparks) through their life and career.  It features a number of great Japanese directors on a few episodes, and some of the shots -- long, uncut, single scenes -- are amazing.  Daredevil-fight-in-the-hallway kinds of incredible.  In one especially poignant scene, the camera is focused on the main protaganist's face, not moving, and he's not moving, and the emotion that is coming across is tangible.

If you have ever wanted to do or be something more than anything else in your life, you will fully get this show, I think.  The frustration, the hurt and heartache, the rush of happiness -- it's all there.  The acting is brilliant and believable.  It takes you on an emotional roller coaster, and the final two episodes had me crying -- I'd say nothing on film or television has moved me this much since the ending of Glory.

It has a fairly terrible star rating on Netflix.  I think that's because the casual viewer will find it a) boring at the beginning, and b) unfunny.  Japanese comedy and western comedy are very different.  Manzai especially relies on extremely fast conversation full of clever wordplay, puns, and silliness.  My Japanese is good, but not good enough to get all the jokes.  The subtitles do their best, to be honest (I usually complain about subtitles), but to an average American viewer, I think they would seem odd and not at all hilarious.

This is the kind of show that I tell my best friend about, force him to watch all ten episodes with me, and would never speak to him again if he didn't love it as much as I do.  It really sparked a visceral reaction for me that was positive, painful, emotional, and necessary.

It made me realize over the course of ten episodes just how many of my own dreams I've failed to achieve, and in fact neglected to even try to achieve.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on July 19, 2016, 07:29:35 am
Appreciate the moving review because as an idiot American it sounds like I would not make it through the first episode.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 21, 2016, 09:33:27 am
So.. Stranger Things on Netflix.  Watched the first three episodes last night.  Entertainment: 1, Sleep: 0.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 21, 2016, 09:41:43 am
12 Monkeys has gotten better, I think.. I like the way they build to end of seasons.  For a SyFy show, it's really quite good.

Dark Matter is back for Season 2, a few episodes in.  It's, uh.. well, the acting is a little ... what you would expect from a low-budget SyFy show.  The guy that plays Six (Roger Cross, was Travis on Continuum where I thought he was pretty good) feels like he doesn't want to or doesn't know how to get into his character.  I'm a bit put off there, and moreso by most of  the minor (few lines in one or two episodes) roles, but I still like the story, the idea, the setting.  I suppose it's interesting enough to make me want to keep watching.

I watched The Night Of part 1, didn't see part 2 yet.  It's good, interesting.  Preacher I'm still hugely supportive of.. acting is quite good.  It's slow but engaging.

Bojack Horseman is coming back for Season 3, uh.. tomorrow!  Now I have two Netflix Shows to binge.

I had also some time ago watched Sense8 on Netflix... don't remember if I brought it up here. If you like Wachowski siblings even a bit, I suggest watching this.  Also watched The Path on Hulu.. quite good even though a lot of the characters are frustratingly annoying.  High points are Hugh Dancy and Aaron Paul.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: singletee on July 21, 2016, 10:31:54 am
Any BattleBots fans here? The show is in the second season of its renewal (on ABC!) and episode 5 airs tonight. I think Bronco is going to take home the Giant Nut this year.
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Post by: Kuildeous on July 21, 2016, 10:41:14 am
Any BattleBots fans here? The show is in the second season of its renewal (on ABC!) and episode 5 airs tonight. I think Bronco is going to take home the Giant Nut this year.

I do love Battle Bots. The problem is that the really good bots are typically the same. Tombstone tears apart the competition. Others may try to duplicate it, but they don’t want to be exactly like it, so they have substandard spinner bots. Same thing with Bronco. Flippers do very well. It’s kind of a finely tuned Dominion engine versus fancy-play syndrome.

There’s not much motivation to branch out. The bug bots were fun to watch, but they always got beat. Kudos to her for staying the course. The gator one was also cute, but it just looked too articulated (that tail did last longer than I expected).

The sword-and-shield-wielding bot was a really interesting experiment, but it did really poorly, and you knew it would. I’d have to think that the sponsors were more interested in showing it off rather than trying to win.

It’s still fun to watch, and I’m glad to see a lot of variety, but there just isn’t a lot of motivation to think outside the box. Or maybe there is. I don’t know what kind of sponsorships these people get.

The addition of drones is interesting, but I’ve yet to see that pay off.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on July 26, 2016, 11:36:07 am
I finished watching Stranger Things. While it was enjoyable, I feel like it was overhyped. Still, it brought back some nostalgia for me. I'm not sure how the show sits for younger people. I think the story is strong enough that people who never sat by a corded phone, relied on walkie talkies, or viewed grainy black-and-white security footage could still get into it. It was weird to hear synthesizers used for a score in 2016. It reminded me very much of Christine and Escape from New York.

The premise is a group of four D&D players become involved with a mysterious monster that snatches people from this small town in Indiana. An equally mysterious stranger shows up, and both of these have the attention of a creepy research lab.

The acting was pretty good. Winona Ryder was really convincing in her role. The kids did pretty well, especially when you consider that they're kid actors. This show may open some doors for these actors.

It has some flaws. I can't remember all of them, but the one that stands out the most is when the chief of police is captured, why was he simply let go? The Hawkins lab was willing to murder people to cover up, so why keep the cop alive? I suppose one could reason that it raises more suspicion to disappear a cop, and I can accept that. But the second time they captured him, they began preparations to discredit him by turning him into a junkie. If they did this the first time, they wouldn't have had to deal with him a second time.  That just seemed a little sloppy in terms of plot.

Figuring out the rules of how everything works was kind of fun. I read from Facebook friends that it was really scary and freaked them out. I didn't think it was that scary. It had some genuine jumpy moments and some suspense, but it wasn't as much as I thought. That may be a threshold thing. Someone else probably thought there were too many jump moments. YMMV.

They left enough space for a second season. I kind of wish they didn't. This seems like a good enough story to keep encapsulated in eight episodes. It doesn't have to keep going into a new season. This one was competently done, so if there is a second season, I'm sure I'll watch it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 26, 2016, 11:54:01 am
I finished watching Stranger Things. While it was enjoyable, I feel like it was overhyped. Still, it brought back some nostalgia for me. I'm not sure how the show sits for younger people. I think the story is strong enough that people who never sat by a corded phone, relied on walkie talkies, or viewed grainy black-and-white security footage could still get into it. It was weird to hear synthesizers used for a score in 2016. It reminded me very much of Christine and Escape from New York.

The premise is a group of four D&D players become involved with a mysterious monster that snatches people from this small town in Indiana. An equally mysterious stranger shows up, and both of these have the attention of a creepy research lab.

The acting was pretty good. Winona Ryder was really convincing in her role. The kids did pretty well, especially when you consider that they're kid actors. This show may open some doors for these actors.

It has some flaws. I can't remember all of them, but the one that stands out the most is when the chief of police is captured, why was he simply let go? The Hawkins lab was willing to murder people to cover up, so why keep the cop alive? I suppose one could reason that it raises more suspicion to disappear a cop, and I can accept that. But the second time they captured him, they began preparations to discredit him by turning him into a junkie. If they did this the first time, they wouldn't have had to deal with him a second time.  That just seemed a little sloppy in terms of plot.

Figuring out the rules of how everything works was kind of fun. I read from Facebook friends that it was really scary and freaked them out. I didn't think it was that scary. It had some genuine jumpy moments and some suspense, but it wasn't as much as I thought. That may be a threshold thing. Someone else probably thought there were too many jump moments. YMMV.

They left enough space for a second season. I kind of wish they didn't. This seems like a good enough story to keep encapsulated in eight episodes. It doesn't have to keep going into a new season. This one was competently done, so if there is a second season, I'm sure I'll watch it.

It's possible that The disappearance of a police chief would just raise too many questions or subject them to too much attention.  Their intent seemed to be to discredit him and create a story of him as a substance abuser.  They could later then stage a suicide/overdose after he has been witnessed to spout out crazy conspiracy theories.  It's also possible they wanted to keep him alive (maybe at some higher level) but just temporarily out of the way.  The ending implied that he was now connected to these people somehow.

But, my impression on viewing was kind of the same as yours.


Any of those issues aside, I thought it was really great.  The kids were portrayed really well, and it reminded me a lot of a  number of Stephen King things (for example, similar themes and ideas as It).
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Post by: Kuildeous on July 26, 2016, 12:06:00 pm
Yes, I definitely got some It vibes off of this, which is kind of funny since the scenes in It were 30 years earlier than scenes in Stranger Things. I suppose it's not the time period that was important but just the fact that kids knew of a greater threat but could not convince adults of it.

The discrediting of the cop would have worked better if they started the discrediting. It just seemed like they were interested in watching him, which I suppose could be their intent. Maybe see who he interacts with and who else knows. But if that's the case, there should have been a tail, and they would have known about Joyce and the kids. Hopper would not have been able to jump the guys at the bus because he was under surveillance.

I just have to suspend disbelief for that one, but that's a little difficult.
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Post by: Witherweaver on July 26, 2016, 12:18:10 pm
Yes, I definitely got some It vibes off of this, which is kind of funny since the scenes in It were 30 years earlier than scenes in Stranger Things. I suppose it's not the time period that was important but just the fact that kids knew of a greater threat but could not convince adults of it.

The discrediting of the cop would have worked better if they started the discrediting. It just seemed like they were interested in watching him, which I suppose could be their intent. Maybe see who he interacts with and who else knows. But if that's the case, there should have been a tail, and they would have known about Joyce and the kids. Hopper would not have been able to jump the guys at the bus because he was under surveillance.

I just have to suspend disbelief for that one, but that's a little difficult.

Yeah.  This is a pretty common problem.. you have this group that is both powerful enough to be feared/held in awe but incompetent enough to be subverted. 
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Post by: tripwire on July 26, 2016, 12:39:53 pm
It has some flaws. I can't remember all of them, but the one that stands out the most is when the chief of police is captured, why was he simply let go? The Hawkins lab was willing to murder people to cover up, so why keep the cop alive? I suppose one could reason that it raises more suspicion to disappear a cop, and I can accept that. But the second time they captured him, they began preparations to discredit him by turning him into a junkie. If they did this the first time, they wouldn't have had to deal with him a second time.  That just seemed a little sloppy in terms of plot.

Maybe I'm missing something or misremembering, but the two times I remember Hopper getting captured, it made sense not to kill him. The first time, they didn't know how much he knew so it wasn't worth killing him. Also, why put a tail on him when they thought they successfully bugged him? They didn't know how paranoid he would be.

The second time makes a whole lot of sense. He gave up El's location in order to get access to the portal. Brenner assumed this was a win-win. He would get El and they would die in the "upside-down" world. No need to kill him, the monster would do that for them.


Admittedly, I don't really care much about nitpicky "plot holes," but those really don't seem like holes anyway. Seemed like everyone was behaving pretty reasonably.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 26, 2016, 12:58:46 pm
It has some flaws. I can't remember all of them, but the one that stands out the most is when the chief of police is captured, why was he simply let go? The Hawkins lab was willing to murder people to cover up, so why keep the cop alive? I suppose one could reason that it raises more suspicion to disappear a cop, and I can accept that. But the second time they captured him, they began preparations to discredit him by turning him into a junkie. If they did this the first time, they wouldn't have had to deal with him a second time.  That just seemed a little sloppy in terms of plot.

Maybe I'm missing something or misremembering, but the two times I remember Hopper getting captured, it made sense not to kill him. The first time, they didn't know how much he knew so it wasn't worth killing him. Also, why put a tail on him when they thought they successfully bugged him? They didn't know how paranoid he would be.

The second time makes a whole lot of sense. He gave up El's location in order to get access to the portal. Brenner assumed this was a win-win. He would get El and they would die in the "upside-down" world. No need to kill him, the monster would do that for them.


Admittedly, I don't really care much about nitpicky "plot holes," but those really don't seem like holes anyway. Seemed like everyone was behaving pretty reasonably.

However, they quickly killed the diner owner for just meeting Elle.  They didn't even question him to see who else might have seen her, or attempt to continue the ruse of child protective services, or anything else.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: tripwire on July 26, 2016, 01:24:37 pm
However, they quickly killed the diner owner for just meeting Elle.  They didn't even question him to see who else might have seen her, or attempt to continue the ruse of child protective services, or anything else.

Sure, but the difference is the diner owner knew about El; Hopper didn't the first time he was captured. Also, they thought they were going to get El back at that moment, so no need to track down others that might know her. People (or shady organizations in this case) behave differently in different contexts :) I think you're trying a little too hard to find plot holes in this instance (there might be other, clearer ones in the series, but I think these examples all make sense so far.)

But, even if I did agree that was a plot hole, I still think shooting the diner owner was the best choice. It quickly shifted the mood of the scene and it made it clear that the power company are people to worry about, how much they wanted El, and meant that every future encounter with them carried the threat that they'd just kill characters (e.g. without this moment it would have been much less suspenseful when they visited Mike's parents). In other words, that moment had a significant impact on the whole series that would have been "ruined" if it was changed for more character "consistency."


So, I guess my question is, what do people think is better: less consistency but serves the story better, or more consistency but a less exciting show?

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 26, 2016, 01:30:57 pm
However, they quickly killed the diner owner for just meeting Elle.  They didn't even question him to see who else might have seen her, or attempt to continue the ruse of child protective services, or anything else.

Sure, but the difference is the diner owner knew about El; Hopper didn't the first time he was captured. Also, they thought they were going to get El back at that moment, so no need to track down others that might know her. People (or shady organizations in this case) behave differently in different contexts :) I think you're trying a little too hard to find plot holes in this instance (there might be other, clearer ones in the series, but I think these examples all make sense so far.)

But, even if I did agree that was a plot hole, I still think shooting the diner owner was the best choice. It quickly shifted the mood of the scene and it made it clear that the power company are people to worry about, how much they wanted El, and meant that every future encounter with them carried the threat that they'd just kill characters (e.g. without this moment it would have been much less suspenseful when they visited Mike's parents). In other words, that moment had a significant impact on the whole series that would have been "ruined" if it was changed for more character "consistency."


So, I guess my question is, what do people think is better: less consistency but serves the story better, or more consistency but a less exciting show?

No, I agree with you.  Storytelling, mood, dramatic effect, etc. are in general more important than detailed internal consistency.  I also tend not to worry too much about these things; it's not really a problem as long as it doesn't take you out of the immersion into the story.
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Post by: Kuildeous on July 26, 2016, 02:10:09 pm
So, I guess my question is, what do people think is better: less consistency but serves the story better, or more consistency but a less exciting show?

I don't know that the show couldn't have achieved both.

At first, I felt that letting Hopper go was incongruent with the diner scene. Kill someone outright for knowing nothing vs. letting someone go who knew something shady was happening. Sure, Hopper didn't know what the portal was exactly, but he knew the lab was doing something funky, he knew that Barb's disappearance was covered up, and he knew that Will's disappearance was covered up with an elaborate double. Hopper posed a far greater threat than the diner owner.

So with Hopper being let go despite logic, I figured they were playing a long game and they had a reason for letting him go (just like he had a reason for getting captured a second time). So it was a little disappointing to learn there was no master plan.


I like the observation that you have big, scary, powerful group that apparently is run by Barney Fife.

Now, if they showed some bickering within and had some stated reasons for what they did, it wouldn't bug me as much.

I don't go looking for plot holes. When they're large enough, I do take notice.

It's like when I was watching Daredevil and wondered why the courtroom had a flag with 48 stars. I asked on FB if that was a common thing, and one of my friends chided me for counting the stars on a flag when I should instead be watching an awesome series. It's not like I went looking for that problem. It's just that an American flag looks quite different when it has 48 stars, and it jumped out at me. It'd be like wondering why the character is wearing a duck on his head for no reason.

I'm sure if I nitpick, I could find other holes. I wasn't thrilled with how the science teacher fit into all this, but I was able to shrug that one off. His was a personality choice.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on August 04, 2016, 10:29:56 am
Anyone watching The Night Of?  I found the last episode (Chapter 4) a little odd.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Calamitas on August 10, 2016, 09:36:44 pm
Anyone watching Quantico? Just finished the first Season within one day :D
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on September 06, 2016, 09:58:45 am
I haven't watched Quantico.. it's good?

So right now is a bit of a slow period of time for TV shows.  From what I follow:

Fear the Walking Dead: Not nearly as good as The Walking Dead, but the second half of Season 2 has picked up from the first half, which was a bit of a drop.  I can't exactly explain why.  Anyway, it's probably the best-made show that is airing in this 'lull season'. 

Dark Matter: I'm liking this more and more.  There are still budget/production issues, but I look forward to seeing each week's episode.  Regarding the Android, I like what they're trying to do with her character this season, in theory,  but the actress is just really awful.  She works fine as the Android, but that's about the extent of her acting range. At any rate, this still has some 'cheesy sci-fi' elements to it, but I'm interested in what's going on each week, probably moreso than other shows that are on right now.

The Strain: I suppose Season 3 is better so far than the train wreck that was Season 2, but there's just a lot wrong with this show.  Lots of inconsistencies and things that break your suspense of disbelief, some terrible acting, generally bad/cringy lines, etc.  The acting ability is polarized.. I like Corey Stoll a lot, and I think he's doing quite a good job in his role, and I'm a fan of Kevin Durand as well.  But for every good actor there's a polar opposite (the kid playing Zack) that makes it painful.

The Night Of: Well this finished last week, but I think it was quite good.  Kept me engaged and wondering where they were going.  I feel like the show could have taken a turn in any direction at any time (kind of like how True Detective felt), which I enjoy. 

I think that's it.. we talked about Stranger Things.  Bojack Season 3 came out this summer, and of course it was fantastic. 

It's another 4--6 weeks before things I really want to see start coming back.  The Walking Dead near end of October.. Westworld looks to be starting in the beginning of October; that should be interesting.  I just read The Leftovers Season 3 is pushed back until 2017 :( 
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Post by: pingpongsam on September 06, 2016, 01:24:43 pm
Narcos started back up. I haven't started watching yet, but I probably will.
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Post by: Eevee on September 06, 2016, 02:18:40 pm
I'm about halfway through Narcos. It's good!
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 06, 2016, 02:46:29 pm
I'm about halfway through Narcos. It's good!

Would you say it's ... addicting?
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Post by: Jorbles on September 07, 2016, 01:59:06 pm
Any of you guys watch Andy Daly's show Review (Sometimes called Review with Forrest MacNeil)? Pretty great. Only watched the first season so far, but it's really funny. The premise is that it's about Forrest MacNeil, a reviewer who reviews life experiences at people's request. In the first episode he reviews Stealing; Addiction; Going to Prom. He's not particularly silly as a character, but takes things very seriously and the jokes come out of how seriously he takes reviewing life. Looking forward to watching the second season which is already out and they've announced that the third will be the last.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 07, 2016, 02:03:52 pm
Anyone watch the Rob Lowe roast?  I think in general these tend to get gimmicky, but what I caught of this was pretty good.  For some reason, Ann Coulter was on the dais, and she got really obliterated.  It was also exceptionally uncomfortable to watch her part, because the audience absolutely hated it, and every 'joke' she made (they were mostly pretty bad) was met with an uncomfortable pause of silence. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on September 07, 2016, 02:19:45 pm
Anyone watch the Rob Lowe roast?  I think in general these tend to get gimmicky, but what I caught of this was pretty good.  For some reason, Ann Coulter was on the dais, and she got really obliterated.  It was also exceptionally uncomfortable to watch her part, because the audience absolutely hated it, and every 'joke' she made (they were mostly pretty bad) was met with an uncomfortable pause of silence. 

I did not see the roast, but I saw some of the jokes made at Coulter’s expense. Makes me wonder if she was invited with an ulterior motive to roast her as well. As much as I hate her, that seems rather dickish to do, if so.

But then when I saw the advertisements for the roast, I was wondering what the hell she was doing in the line-up. This may explain it.

I heard she shilled her book on the roast. Was this before or after they dogpiled on her? I could understand it if they did it in response to her shilling.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 07, 2016, 02:31:08 pm
Anyone watch the Rob Lowe roast?  I think in general these tend to get gimmicky, but what I caught of this was pretty good.  For some reason, Ann Coulter was on the dais, and she got really obliterated.  It was also exceptionally uncomfortable to watch her part, because the audience absolutely hated it, and every 'joke' she made (they were mostly pretty bad) was met with an uncomfortable pause of silence. 

I did not see the roast, but I saw some of the jokes made at Coulter’s expense. Makes me wonder if she was invited with an ulterior motive to roast her as well. As much as I hate her, that seems rather dickish to do, if so.

But then when I saw the advertisements for the roast, I was wondering what the hell she was doing in the line-up. This may explain it.

I heard she shilled her book on the roast. Was this before or after they dogpiled on her? I could understand it if they did it in response to her shilling.

According to some stories, she refused to do any kind of research on what actually happened at a roast, even after representatives from Comedy Central discusssed it with her.  Apparently she thought it would be more light-hearted ribbing and not such brutal insults.  (Like, she never actually went and watched one.)  She also allegedly had a comedian (Tony Hinchcliffe) work with her, and he claims that she rewrote the jokes that were written for her before she presented.

http://www.spin.com/2016/09/ann-coulter-was-at-the-roast-of-rob-lowe-because-she-didnt-know-what-a-roast-was/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/06/ann-coulter-bombs-at-rob-lowe-roast-the-worst-roaster-since-the-situation.html

Tony Hinchcliffe apparently gave an interview, but I didn't find a transcript. 

(Edit: I guess you can listen to the interview here: http://davidfeldmanshow.libsyn.com/tony-hinchcliffe)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on September 08, 2016, 09:31:25 am
Anyone catch Atlanta, on FX?  I saw the premiere, and it was good.  Strange, and very funny at times.  The creator (Donald Glover) has allegedly said it's like Twin Peaks with Rappers, and that actually describes the first episode pretty well.  I hope that the quirkiness is not just novel.  Anyway, strong premiere, I hope it stays good.

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Post by: Witherweaver on September 19, 2016, 03:48:37 pm
Dark Matter season 2 was pretty good.  Maybe there were some weak parts, but I like the show overall.  Season 3 should be coming back in 2017, I'm guessing towards the end of the year.  Excited for The Expanse Season 2, too.

Also.. started watching Community on Hulu.  I like this show.    I've also watched five or so episodes of Death Note.  Also good.
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Post by: LaLight on September 19, 2016, 03:59:07 pm
Dark Matter season 2 was pretty good.  Maybe there were some weak parts, but I like the show overall.  Season 3 should be coming back in 2017, I'm guessing towards the end of the year.  Excited for The Expanse Season 2, too.

Also.. started watching Community on Hulu.  I like this show.    I've also watched five or so episodes of Death Note.  Also good.

Community is the best! I watched it two times. Also consider Mr. Robot. I'm fascinated.
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Post by: pingpongsam on September 20, 2016, 12:11:17 pm
American Horror Story has a good format this year. Too early to call on the plot. Not sure how I feel about knowing the main characters are going to survive.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 20, 2016, 10:44:52 pm
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.
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Post by: ashersky on September 21, 2016, 05:27:45 am
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.

I can't believe you'd never watched it.  Definitely one of the greatest shows ever.
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Post by: LaLight on September 21, 2016, 06:01:27 am
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.

Chaos theory is best episode ever!
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Post by: eHalcyon on September 21, 2016, 04:50:32 pm
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.

Chaos theory is best episode ever!

Want to post the gif but maybe it would be spoilers...

Paintball episodes are also classic.
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Post by: ashersky on September 22, 2016, 05:53:38 am
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.

Chaos theory is best episode ever!

Want to post the gif but maybe it would be spoilers...

Paintball episodes are also classic.

Lava game...
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Post by: LaLight on September 22, 2016, 06:34:36 am
Watching D&D episode of Community... might be best episode ever.

Also Christmas episode of Season 2.. might have teared up a little.

Chaos theory is best episode ever!

Want to post the gif but maybe it would be spoilers...

Paintball episodes are also classic.

Lava game...

Also cushions and blankets wars
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 22, 2016, 01:17:00 pm
After casting a line out in Facebook land, I found someone who has the first three seasons of Community on DVD. I'll be borrowing them so I can binge-watch. I know not what to expect except apparently geeky stuff, which I'm on board with.

So yeah, don't post that spoilerific gif just yet.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 22, 2016, 01:20:49 pm
I finished Season 2.  Season 2 finale was pretty epic.  I think the credits scene in particular was my favorite thus far.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 22, 2016, 01:34:39 pm
Should I generally watch the credits of Community, or is it safe to advance to the next episode?
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 22, 2016, 01:41:34 pm
Should I generally watch the credits of Community, or is it safe to advance to the next episode?

Watch them.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 28, 2016, 08:45:37 am
I watched the paintball episode of Community. That was pretty amusing.

Though someone posted episodes, so I guess there is more coming?

I just started season 2.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2016, 09:12:42 am
I watched the paintball episode of Community. That was pretty amusing.

Though someone posted episodes, so I guess there is more coming?

I just started season 2.

There may be a few paintballs more.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 28, 2016, 09:23:46 am
Hmm, after seeing references to Die Hard, 28 Days Later, the Warriors, First Blood II, Predator, the Matrix, every post-apocalyptic movie ever, and whatever else I can't remember right now, it'll be interesting to see what else they spoof.

Although the resolution of that first paintball episode was touching, I was expecting Jeff's demand to be a total ban on roller-skating on campus.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2016, 11:11:35 am
I finished all six seasons, by the way.  I definitely liked the first three the best.  It's hard to exactly say what was different (I know the showrunner changed for Season 4, but I mean different in the end result), but watching the first three seasons felt like continual laughter with genuine emotion mixed in, and then I kind of stopped laughing so much, and it was more like passing amusement.  I still enjoyed all of it.
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Post by: ashersky on September 28, 2016, 05:01:28 pm
I finished all six seasons, by the way.  I definitely liked the first three the best.  It's hard to exactly say what was different (I know the showrunner changed for Season 4, but I mean different in the end result), but watching the first three seasons felt like continual laughter with genuine emotion mixed in, and then I kind of stopped laughing so much, and it was more like passing amusement.  I still enjoyed all of it.

It was Troy leaving that changed it for me.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on September 28, 2016, 05:04:27 pm
I finished all six seasons, by the way.  I definitely liked the first three the best.  It's hard to exactly say what was different (I know the showrunner changed for Season 4, but I mean different in the end result), but watching the first three seasons felt like continual laughter with genuine emotion mixed in, and then I kind of stopped laughing so much, and it was more like passing amusement.  I still enjoyed all of it.

It was Troy leaving that changed it for me.

Yeah, I think I agree, but I don't exactly know why.  Like.. he's not exactly my favorite character.. I mean I liked him, but, for instance, Abed is much funnier to me.  But somehow Troy seems to enable Abed being funnier.. in a similar way, I think Pierce enabled the entire group being funnier.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on September 28, 2016, 06:07:45 pm
I finished all six seasons, by the way.  I definitely liked the first three the best.  It's hard to exactly say what was different (I know the showrunner changed for Season 4, but I mean different in the end result), but watching the first three seasons felt like continual laughter with genuine emotion mixed in, and then I kind of stopped laughing so much, and it was more like passing amusement.  I still enjoyed all of it.

It was Troy leaving that changed it for me.

Yeah, I think I agree, but I don't exactly know why.  Like.. he's not exactly my favorite character.. I mean I liked him, but, for instance, Abed is much funnier to me.  But somehow Troy seems to enable Abed being funnier.. in a similar way, I think Pierce enabled the entire group being funnier.

I'm with you.  Jeff is my personal favorite, mostly because I am the Jeff of my friend group, but TroyAndAbed was always funnier than just Troy and Abed.  I never liked the Troy/Britta thing, either.  I will say, the Dean really improved in the later seasons.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 03, 2016, 10:34:33 pm
So I went back and watched the rest of Gotham Season 2 (I quit after midseason).  It got way, way better.  I was pretty surprised.  Ed Nygma and Bruce in particular are great. 

Also, Westworld is fantastic.  Really interesting from a perspective of having played pretty immersive MMOs.

Also, Fear the Walking Dead finale were the best episodes of the show (double-episode)  I think.  It's been good but not great, but I thought these last two were actually great.

Oh.. Luke Cage.  That's where my Friday and Saturday went.  Not sure I liked it as much as Jessica Jones, but I still think it was really good.  A little annoyed with the good guy becomes fugitive of the law trope (especially since Gotham season 2 did it, which I watched right after), but overall I liked it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on October 03, 2016, 10:39:12 pm
Okay, still haven't seen Luke Cage, so I'm not reading your spoiler.

I am glad you said that about Gotham, because I've just been having it sitting on my DVR, shortly after the Hugo Strange plot began. It just kind of fell off my radar, but I didn't delete the episodes. I may give it another chance after all.

I enjoyed Westworld. It's a bit ponderous, but I like that (frex, Unbreakable). It tripped my shit at first with which ones were guests and which ones were hosts. Man, it's like Battlestar Galactica all over again. I think I'll be watching the rest of the season for sure.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on October 04, 2016, 01:31:13 am
How to get away with murder started again! Also we'll have the Black Mirror in 2 weeks! Excited af
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on October 04, 2016, 10:06:32 am
Started watching Roadies. It's a bit too lighthearted for me, like in that no one is actually like this in real life ever sort of way. Same reason I didn't care too much for 30 rock or the office. The actual musicians and the realistic sets and most likely based on true happenings bit is cool, though.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 04, 2016, 10:45:01 am
Started watching Roadies. It's a bit too lighthearted for me, like in that no one is actually like this in real life ever sort of way. Same reason I didn't care too much for 30 rock or the office. The actual musicians and the realistic sets and most likely based on true happenings bit is cool, though.

I don't find it necessary for shows to be 'realistic' in their portrayal of characters.. in fact most art is representative of real life without being 'realistic' itself.  Imagine paintings, drawings, sculptures, etc. depicting people that don't look the way real people do, but portray some characteristic of a person in a less literal way.  Being less realistic can actually aid this.. take a comic book where the hero or villain is uncharacteristically huge (your mind jumps to 'strong') or flexible (you think 'lithe' or 'agile'). 

Most TV shows do this, I think.  I think How I Met Your Mother is a good example.  Not a single character is like a person in real life, but they represent some aspect that exists in real people, just highly exaggerated. 

Basically, like caricatures, though it doesn't always have to be done for comedic effect.   

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on October 04, 2016, 12:58:04 pm
I had high hopes for Roadies because I loved Almost Famous, but man did I hate that show. I also felt that everyone in the show was just some archetype from a movie and didn't act like humans. The most realistic character to me felt like the corporate shill who apparently "didn't get the music". At least that guy was trying to do something. The worst was probably the skateboarding roadie who was some sort of manic pixie dream girl stereotype at what seemed to be its worst. She'd skateboard around backstage to somehow get things done faster and have many moody conversations about trying to find herself? I only watched two episodes.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Fargo on October 04, 2016, 02:24:58 pm
How to get away with murder started again! Also we'll have the Black Mirror in 2 weeks! Excited af

I'm waiting for Black Mirror too!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2016, 11:18:59 am
Random thing I noticed rewatching some of Community Season 1: the band that Vaughn forms after Britta dumps him is called 'Some Worries'.  ('No worries' is what he always used to say before the breakup.)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2016, 12:56:42 pm
Random thing I noticed rewatching some of Community Season 1: the band that Vaughn forms after Britta dumps him is called 'Some Worries'.  ('No worries' is what he always used to say before the breakup.)

Nice. I missed that one.

I did just see the completion of the Beetlejuice gag. I most certainly would not have caught that one if I hadn't already read about it ahead of time.

For some reason I didn't find the D&D episode as amusing as I had hoped. Maybe my hopes got too high? Not sure.

But a lot of season 2 was me wondering why they keep inviting Pierce back at that point. I know it's just a show, but I kept thinking I'd be out of that group if he was allowed to stick around.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2016, 01:08:17 pm
Random thing I noticed rewatching some of Community Season 1: the band that Vaughn forms after Britta dumps him is called 'Some Worries'.  ('No worries' is what he always used to say before the breakup.)

Nice. I missed that one.

I did just see the completion of the Beetlejuice gag. I most certainly would not have caught that one if I hadn't already read about it ahead of time.

For some reason I didn't find the D&D episode as amusing as I had hoped. Maybe my hopes got too high? Not sure.

But a lot of season 2 was me wondering why they keep inviting Pierce back at that point. I know it's just a show, but I kept thinking I'd be out of that group if he was allowed to stick around.

There's a ton of stuff I missed that goes on in fairly quick, almost background dialogue.  Lots of references to other TV shows, etc.  The D&D episode was one of my favorites, though I didn't have any expectations ahead of time.  The "montage scene" had me laughing harder than any other episode, I think.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2016, 01:02:46 pm
So watched Flash Seasons 1 and 2.  Season 1 was good, Season 2 was pretty bad :(  Lots of good ideas, but the drama was far too forced.  Hopefully Season 3 is better.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 15, 2016, 09:49:43 pm
Did anyone watch last week's Atlanta (B.A.N., Episode 7)?  That was an amazing episode.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 05:54:42 am
Watched 1st episode of Westworld. Amazing
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 16, 2016, 07:31:11 am
Watched 1st episode of Westworld. Amazing

I'm really excited to see how it unfolds.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on October 16, 2016, 07:34:35 am
Watched 1st episode of Westworld. Amazing

I'm really excited to see how it unfolds.

Right! I'm gonna watch Episode 2 today
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on October 17, 2016, 08:15:42 pm
I've watched the first three episodes. I think it's very much worth a watch.

For the first two episodes I think they made it too clear that the hosts didn't have any own free will, which made all their storylines COMPLETELY worthless. Like, when the lone desperado guy got to Lawrence and his family. Threatening him meant nothing, as they were all artificial beings and it was pretty obvious he was going to kill them in the end anyways. It just took away all suspense for me. However I hoped that the storylines for the hosts would matter, since that's what the main part about the first episodes were about, especially the first one. And in the third episode, we got to see that clearly, they will matter.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on October 24, 2016, 05:42:50 am
Watched Black Mirror Season 3.
Mixed feelings, will write about episodes separately.

E1: Awful. Good idea, but the awful realisation, awful actor play, awful going, awful ending, they're like throwing the message in my face. Didn't like it at all. Looked like they had an empty spot and shot the episodes in 5 minutes between shooting good episodes. 1/5
E2: And that was a surprise. After the first one, this episodes throws you in hell and you're sitting there watching without breathing and feeling every bit of it. Atmosperic, despairful, unbelievably good. The ending strikes. 5/5
E3: And you won't rest, the next episode holds you by your heart in the air. When Radiohead started in the end I felt like I'm gonna cry forever from this very moment. Also, Bronn here! The only minus: characters are really not like trustful, I don't think there is so much of a tragedy if something like this happens IRL, so 4/5.
E4: And again. I don't believe it, I don't like it, nothing really surprising and interesting (though still better than the first one). Nothing really to say here. 2/5
E5: This episode is very much like Black Mirror-ish. That's the perfect Black Mirror episode actually. Reminds me about White Bear episode, or the episode with bicycles and singing girl. Michael Kelly is one of my favourite actors and here he was spectacular. But again, nothing really struck me in the heart. so, 3/5.
E6: Guys. It's 10/5. No, 100/5. No, infinity/5. It's something. It is much like S01E01 but better actually. Music, actors, plot, shooting. Every jigsaw is in its place. I can't remember any piece of art being so good. I want to rewatch it thousands of times. Thanks to this episode I'm not disappointed in Netflix and I want more and more and more. Incredible.

In these two days of watching the series I felt so much fellings that I feel empty now, but I was not so happy from watching something for a while. Thanks, Netflix! Looking forward to S4!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: drsteelhammer on October 24, 2016, 08:34:25 am
I just saw Episode 1 of Black mirror and I mostly agree. I thought it was decently shot and the soundtrack was alright. I really liked how they incorporated the rating sound into the score that one scene. But the theme of the episode had me roll with my eyes. They didn't even do anything interesting with the super lame premise, why were you even shooting this? I'm ok with the ending though, I expected worse.

I didn't know they were releasing all episodes at once, so I'll be watching the other ones now :)

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on October 24, 2016, 08:35:32 am
I just saw Episode 1 of Black mirror and I mostly agree. I thought it was decently shot and the soundtrack was alright. I really liked how they incorporated the rating sound into the score that one scene. But the theme of the episode had me roll with my eyes. They didn't even do anything interesting with the super lame premise, why were you even shooting this? I'm ok with the ending though, I expected worse.

I didn't know they were releasing all episodes at once, so I'll be watching the other ones now :)

It's Netflix, they always release all the episodes at once :)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2016, 09:24:51 am
So... Walking Dead Season 7 premiere.  That was pretty intense.  I'm happy with it.  Having already read the analogous storyline from the comics, I can't help but have expectations on how it would play out on the show.  I think the premiere was everything it should have been.  I think I even agree that this works better as a season premiere than a season finale.. it really is the start of something new.  I've also noticed that (not a true spoiler but whatever) losses in the show are much more impactful than in the comic book.  I think the live-action medium gives a fuller immersion into characters than the comics (at least for me), especially in cases when you've been seeing them for years.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 24, 2016, 01:37:33 pm
So... Walking Dead Season 7 premiere.  That was pretty intense.  I'm happy with it.  Having already read the analogous storyline from the comics, I can't help but have expectations on how it would play out on the show.  I think the premiere was everything it should have been.  I think I even agree that this works better as a season premiere than a season finale.. it really is the start of something new.  I've also noticed that (not a true spoiler but whatever) losses in the show are much more impactful than in the comic book.  I think the live-action medium gives a fuller immersion into characters than the comics (at least for me), especially in cases when you've been seeing them for years.

I think I agree more with the complaints.  I think they should have killed Abe in the finale, then the Glenn death would have been a bigger surprise without all the theorizing all summer.  Mostly I wish there had been more forward plot movement, but I guess we all need time to process.  Glenn was my fav.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 24, 2016, 01:51:41 pm
So... Walking Dead Season 7 premiere.  That was pretty intense.  I'm happy with it.  Having already read the analogous storyline from the comics, I can't help but have expectations on how it would play out on the show.  I think the premiere was everything it should have been.  I think I even agree that this works better as a season premiere than a season finale.. it really is the start of something new.  I've also noticed that (not a true spoiler but whatever) losses in the show are much more impactful than in the comic book.  I think the live-action medium gives a fuller immersion into characters than the comics (at least for me), especially in cases when you've been seeing them for years.

I think I agree more with the complaints.  I think they should have killed Abe in the finale, then the Glenn death would have been a bigger surprise without all the theorizing all summer.  Mostly I wish there had been more forward plot movement, but I guess we all need time to process.  Glenn was my fav.

I agree that the suggestion would have worked, perhaps even better, but I think how this was done worked as well.   Having it all in the premiere does allow for some things: the episode was really about taking Rick from the point of defiant vengeance to hopeless submission.  Of course we know Rick will fight, but at the end of the episode I can believe that Rick thinks it is completely hopeless: he can't even imagine how to fight against such odds.  This wasn't his initial reaction to both the deaths.  His initial reaction was "okay, you won this battle, but we will continue to fight".  Then Negan takes Rick in the RV, forces him to confront the losses and consider what he can still lose, and then show him that he (Negan) can do far worse than just kill people: He can force Rick to do whatever he wants by using those who Rick cares about.

It's also interesting that the finale last season left Rick completely hopeless; the initial violence actually gave him some resolve, which Negan proceeded to tear down.  At least temporarily.  I think Negan believes he can continue to knock it down whenever it starts to come up.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on October 25, 2016, 02:37:20 am
I think I agree more with the complaints.  I think they should have killed Abe in the finale, then the Glenn death would have been a bigger surprise without all the theorizing all summer.  Mostly I wish there had been more forward plot movement, but I guess we all need time to process.  Glenn was my fav.

That would've been more shocking. But at the same time, do you think the fans would've liked that? "They killed Abe, Glenn is safe!" for the whole summer, then BAM! Not anymore! The way they did it, EVERYONE got to mentally prepare for their favorite out of the bunch to die.

Comic book spoiler: Will Daryl recieve the Holly treatment?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on October 25, 2016, 04:05:27 am
I think I agree more with the complaints.  I think they should have killed Abe in the finale, then the Glenn death would have been a bigger surprise without all the theorizing all summer.  Mostly I wish there had been more forward plot movement, but I guess we all need time to process.  Glenn was my fav.

That would've been more shocking. But at the same time, do you think the fans would've liked that? "They killed Abe, Glenn is safe!" for the whole summer, then BAM! Not anymore! The way they did it, EVERYONE got to mentally prepare for their favorite out of the bunch to die.

Comic book spoiler: Will Daryl recieve the Holly treatment?

I think it would have made for a better episode that could have moved the plot along more quickly.  On reflection, after a night to sleep on it, I am less pleased with the episode as a whole.  I really think they failed on the entire RV sequence, especially where there were clear points that Rick could have killed Negan pretty easily.  The flashbacks were for suspense and nothing else, and Negan gunning down zombies to keep Rick alive seemed counter to his task. 

I actually think Rosita would have been the more vicious second victim.  No one would have seen it coming, and with Glenn right next to her, it would have been a great misdirect.  As it is, they decided to kill the strongest male and the favorite male.  I feel like the show was afraid to take a risk (Maggie would have been the riskiest choice).

At this point, I think Maggie needs to lose the baby and go original Michonne-the-emotionless-killer out of grief and anger for me to care about that group.  I'm putting all my hopes and dreams on the Tiger becoming the leader like the Lion in the Wardrobe.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2016, 09:36:18 am
I think I agree more with the complaints.  I think they should have killed Abe in the finale, then the Glenn death would have been a bigger surprise without all the theorizing all summer.  Mostly I wish there had been more forward plot movement, but I guess we all need time to process.  Glenn was my fav.

That would've been more shocking. But at the same time, do you think the fans would've liked that? "They killed Abe, Glenn is safe!" for the whole summer, then BAM! Not anymore! The way they did it, EVERYONE got to mentally prepare for their favorite out of the bunch to die.

Comic book spoiler: Will Daryl recieve the Holly treatment?

I think that Sasha will take Holly's fate
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 25, 2016, 09:46:28 am
I think that, for the storyline, Glen is the best loss.  I think it will push Maggie to become what she will be.  Though, comparing to the comic (which I'm rereading now), the show Maggie is much better fleshed out than the comic Maggie at this point.  The show version may not need the same motivating loss.

Other choices for the victim may have been more 'shocking' to viewers, especially those that read the comics, but I don't think they would have been better choices for the story.  Honestly I think the only other good choice would be Daryl.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on October 28, 2016, 06:03:15 pm
Other Walking Dead thoughts, spoilers include comic spoilers:

So they made a bit of a point about Negan disinfecting the axe, not just wiping the blood off.  Do you think they're going to go with the "Walker guts on weapons spreads the bite infection" idea in the comics?  I don't particularly like this, because we saw Rick cut his hand on a knife that had just cut into a Walker back at the beginning of Season 6, and it presumably healed as normal.  We've also seen in the past people get pretty covered with blood, etc. without any consequences, and certainly an open would/cut (which is fairly likely) could have easily gotten infected.  Plus wading in in Walker-infested water could not have been too healthy. 

I kind of want the show to skip this part, but if they are, why make the point of having Negan search for alcohol?

The major difference between the comic and show here, I think, is Maggie.  In the show, it was Maggie that made the deal with Gregory, whereas it was just Rick in the comics.  In fact, in the comics, they didn't even talk it over; Rick just made the deal with Gregory in private and convinced everyone else to go along.  Moreover, they were attacked on the way to the Hilltop because Maggie was ill.  So she's definitely feeling a lot of guilt, here.  I like her reaction in the show a lot---she was the only one to insist they they had to go figure out how to fight Negan.  In the comics, she just lashed out and attacked Rick, blaming him for what happened. 

I hope the Carl-Negan thing still happens.  If it does, it will definitely be different, though.  In the show, Carl is old enough to be seen as more of an adult, not quite the little kid that couldn't control the machine gun.  So the dynamic would be a bit different.

Not sure if they're going to do the wives thing.  I hope so... it gave some more insight into Negan's 'code'.  It also gives better justification for turning against Negan.  We obviously know Dwight got punished, but with how he was introduced it could have been a punishment for running away.


Also, I've watched the Season 6 finale a few times and the Season 7 premiere twice now, and I really, really like Jeffery Dean Morgan.  I think he's really nailing this role. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 14, 2016, 11:15:43 am
So, Walking Dead episode 4, it looks like they're not doing the whole Saviors-don't-have-any-guns thing from the comic.  Which is probably good; that was a little bit weak.  Moreover, in the comics, Negan doesn't take their guns when he goes to Alexandria, despite their armory being clearly well stocked.  I didn't think about it until the corresponding situation came up in the show, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense in the comics.

On the other hand, actually fighting is looking to be very difficult.  I wonder if they stashed a secret hoard of guns away (the empty graves?) and faked the ledger.  Then Rick is really going extreme to convince everyone that he's giving in to Negan, even to the point where the audience is being deceived.  If so, I think that's a good way to tell this arc.  In the comics, he says in the beginning what his plan is, and the deception part feels like it's over very quickly.

The upcoming episode descriptions on imdb are fairly interesting.  Apparently next episode Carl and Enid head out, apparently to the Hilltop.  This might lead to them sneaking back with the Saviors.  In the comics, the part corresponding to this episode ends with Carl hiding in the mattresses with a machine gun and going to the Saviors' base.  The next episode has what Tara and Heath have been up to (they were out on a long run after the compound attack from last season), and apparently they find a new group.  Since the Kingdom has already been introduced, this either has to be a new introduction to the show, or they're bringing in the Whisperers early.  I doubt it's the latter, but the images they have from the episode (especially the second one here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5207734/?ref_=ttep_ep6)) look to be teasing it. 

And, Westworld.. very compelling.  Last night's episode (episode 7) was great.  There are a lot of interesting theories that are starting to seem more plausible. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 17, 2016, 03:22:50 pm
So I watched HarmonQuest, which is pretty awesome.  I guess it's streamed through Seeso, a kind of streaming subscription service for comedies.  However, I was able to find all the episodes on youtube.

Basically, Dan Harmon and his friends (one guy that's been Who's Line quite a bit, the guy that played Annie's brother in that Community episode, and a woman who I guess he was married to but I haven't seen elsewhere) invite a celebrity guest to play a session of a quest in a D&D-type game.  The adventures are partially animated, so it goes back and forth between them at the table and the animation of their characters.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on November 17, 2016, 03:51:47 pm
So I watched HarmonQuest, which is pretty awesome.  I guess it's streamed through Seeso, a kind of streaming subscription service for comedies.  However, I was able to find all the episodes on youtube.
 

Cool. I liked Rick & Morty and Community, so Harmon's name intrigues me. The advertisements did nothing for me. I'll take a more serious look at it later.

I've really been digging Dirk Gently. It has a lot of weirdness that I enjoyed watching/reading in the '90s. I don't know that the '90s had a strong foothold in the weird or if it just seemed like it to me because it was when I went to college. One of my favorite RPGs was published in the '90s (Over the Edge), and Dirk Gently feels like someone is running an Over the Edge campaign.

Of course, the '90s featured a lot of David Lynch weirdness, but Dirk Gently is not incomprehensible. Many of the scenes may not make sense yet, but I feel that it's because their true purpose have not been revealed yet.

Interestingly enough, I find the titular character the least interesting part of the show. The other characters are far more fascinating than he is.

And these are not the books. Dirk did make a reference to Thor, so the books are likely canon within the TV universe, but otherwise the similarities end (I think; it's been a while since I read them).
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 17, 2016, 03:54:45 pm
So I watched HarmonQuest, which is pretty awesome.  I guess it's streamed through Seeso, a kind of streaming subscription service for comedies.  However, I was able to find all the episodes on youtube.
 

Cool. I liked Rick & Morty and Community, so Harmon's name intrigues me. The advertisements did nothing for me. I'll take a more serious look at it later.

I've really been digging Dirk Gently. It has a lot of weirdness that I enjoyed watching/reading in the '90s. I don't know that the '90s had a strong foothold in the weird or if it just seemed like it to me because it was when I went to college. One of my favorite RPGs was published in the '90s (Over the Edge), and Dirk Gently feels like someone is running an Over the Edge campaign.

Of course, the '90s featured a lot of David Lynch weirdness, but Dirk Gently is not incomprehensible. Many of the scenes may not make sense yet, but I feel that it's because their true purpose have not been revealed yet.

Interestingly enough, I find the titular character the least interesting part of the show. The other characters are far more fascinating than he is.

And these are not the books. Dirk did make a reference to Thor, so the books are likely canon within the TV universe, but otherwise the similarities end (I think; it's been a while since I read them).

Oh, Dirk Gently looked interesting.  I don't think I get BBCAmerica, though :(  I'll try to catch it online sometime.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: AdrianHealey on November 17, 2016, 03:56:42 pm
Who wants to talk Westworld?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 17, 2016, 03:57:52 pm
Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on November 17, 2016, 04:22:46 pm
Who wants to talk Westworld?

Mass consumption rape!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on November 17, 2016, 09:33:08 pm
Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?

I so loved that throwaway line. He even just explained the concept.

I always figured that at least one of the staff would be a replicant. I just wasn't sure which one.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: mail-mi on November 17, 2016, 11:05:06 pm
So watched Flash Seasons 1 and 2.  Season 1 was good, Season 2 was pretty bad :(  Lots of good ideas, but the drama was far too forced.  Hopefully Season 3 is better.

Unfortunately a lot of season 3 so far is lame romance drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: AHoppy on November 17, 2016, 11:43:11 pm
Anyone watch The Grand Tour?  I thought it was fantastic
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on November 18, 2016, 12:33:29 am
Who wants to talk Westworld?

I've watched 5 episodes so far and it's amazing! I'd talk but I need to dodge spoilers from e06, e07
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Lekkit on November 18, 2016, 02:05:53 am
Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?

I so loved that throwaway line. He even just explained the concept.

I always figured that at least one of the staff would be a replicant. I just wasn't sure which one.

Speaking of things that are just out there. Anyone else noticed how Ford mentioned "the Arnold"?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 18, 2016, 09:40:25 am
Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?

I so loved that throwaway line. He even just explained the concept.

I always figured that at least one of the staff would be a replicant. I just wasn't sure which one.

Speaking of things that are just out there. Anyone else noticed how Ford mentioned "the Arnold"?

I must have missed this.  I need to rewatch the episode.  I was very tired when I watched it an didn't have much attention to give.  The 'what door?' line really shocked me, and I thought at first I must have misinterpreted (until the bigger, 'I don't see anything').

Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?

I so loved that throwaway line. He even just explained the concept.

I always figured that at least one of the staff would be a replicant. I just wasn't sure which one.

Right, it was brilliantly executed.  One of the best reveals I've seen in a TV show.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on November 18, 2016, 09:43:56 am
I think I'm at EP5 as well. Thankfully the spoilers you guys are posting are cryptic enough that they are teasers instead. Especially grateful that Kuildeous left out the name.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 18, 2016, 09:48:12 am
Another weird thing that I need to double check, at the end of the episode before last (episode 6).  Dolores, Teddy, and Lawrence are on the train.  Lawrence has all the explosives in a big crates, which have the 'maze' symbol on top.  Lawrence and Teddy are on one end of the crate (after talking, they're about to start drinking), and Dolores is on the other end and starts to stare at the maze.  Then the camera changes to behind Dolores, so she is in the foreground with the crate in the background, and Lawrence and Teddy should be on the other side.  But no one is there.

Presumably, they could have gone to a different car, but the editing makes it seem like they just disappear, as if they are only part of Dolores' imagination.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 18, 2016, 09:59:03 am
Also, I suppose it's worth noting,

The basement at the end of episode 7 is almost undoubtedly the same basement where the scenes where Ford and Bernard interview Dolores take place.  This suggests those interviews occurred in the past, since in the present (when Ford, Bernard, and Teresa were all there), there was a big replica-making machine in the glass room.  There's also a lot of speculation that Bernard is actually a replica of Arnold, and it's the real Arnold doing the interviews.

Spoiler tag doesn't hide links but don't click on these if you aren't caught up:

Here's an image for comparison (http://imgur.com/dTiEFAT) and and imdb thread discussing it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475784/board/thread/263324509).

Edit: there is also a lot of other evidence (circumstantial, maybe) for there being (at least) two time periods.  For one, there are two distinct logos for Westworld that you can see in different storylines.  In particular the 'old' one (which you see when William visits the compound) is the same logos that are seen in flashbacks and when Bernard goes to the old computer system.  The running theory is also that William becomes the present-day man in black.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on November 18, 2016, 10:54:21 pm
Who wants to talk Westworld?

What door?

I so loved that throwaway line. He even just explained the concept.

I always figured that at least one of the staff would be a replicant. I just wasn't sure which one.

Speaking of things that are just out there. Anyone else noticed how Ford mentioned "the Arnold"?

I must have missed this.  I need to rewatch the episode.  I was very tired when I watched it an didn't have much attention to give.  The 'what door?' line really shocked me, and I thought at first I must have misinterpreted (until the bigger, 'I don't see anything').

Rewatched with closed captions.  He actually says "See, Arnold and I designed every part of this place".  Though when he says it, it does sound like "the Arnold".
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on November 28, 2016, 01:14:02 pm
I'm loving practically everything about the Dirk Gently series. Not sure there's actually a part I dislike.

My newest favorite:

*Dirk and Todd are captured by villain*
Dirk: Oh good, now we're going to get some answers.
Villain: WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?
*villain rants for 3 minutes with several unanswerable questions*


Looking forward to the Wild Cards series. I just read the story where the Great and Powerful Turtle breaks up with his girlfriend. That could be a poignant scene on the screen.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on November 30, 2016, 11:41:40 pm
That latest Westworld episode though.  Much of it already predicted by fans but still really well done.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2016, 10:34:22 am
Yes, Westworld is excellent. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on December 06, 2016, 12:43:36 am
Westworld is finished! Though last 3-4 series it was not so interesting, the last one was a real blast! (Also nowadays everybody prefers to use Radiohead in the last scene). Also, when the 4th or 5th series went on screens, I've read a "crazy fan theory" that said that William is a man in black. Uh oh, funny that they were right!

Overall, series is really great.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on December 06, 2016, 12:53:24 am
Westworld is finished! Though last 3-4 series it was not so interesting, the last one was a real blast! (Also nowadays everybody prefers to use Radiohead in the last scene). Also, when the 4th or 5th series went on screens, I've read a "crazy fan theory" that said that William is a man in black. Uh oh, funny that they were right!

Overall, series is really great.

I think I may have to rewatch it now while keeping the multiple timelines in mind, especially the early episodes from before I'd heard the theory.

In other TV news, did anyone else watch the recent Arrowverse crossover?  Ambitious project, and I think it turned out pretty well.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 06, 2016, 01:33:02 pm
I thought the entire latter half was amazing.  I think Episodes 8, 9, and the finale were all top notch. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 06, 2016, 01:33:32 pm
Westworld is finished! Though last 3-4 series it was not so interesting, the last one was a real blast! (Also nowadays everybody prefers to use Radiohead in the last scene). Also, when the 4th or 5th series went on screens, I've read a "crazy fan theory" that said that William is a man in black. Uh oh, funny that they were right!

Overall, series is really great.

I think I may have to rewatch it now while keeping the multiple timelines in mind, especially the early episodes from before I'd heard the theory.

In other TV news, did anyone else watch the recent Arrowverse crossover?  Ambitious project, and I think it turned out pretty well.

I saw the Flash one, but I don't watch the other shows.  This season of Flash has been :(
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on December 06, 2016, 04:50:35 pm
I saw briefly the Westworld theory of multiple timelines, but I wasn't entirely convinced. I mean, I didn't doubt it, but since nothing was stated for certain in the show, there were enough reasonable explanations to not take it too seriously.

But how they unveiled it was beautifully done. That beats out any fan theory on some random message board.

I'm behind on the Arrowverse. I ignored Legends of Tomorrow last season. I wasn't convinced I would remain invested in it after the pilot. People have said that it's gotten better, so I'm giving it a chance and catching up on season 1. Eventually I'll be able to watch all four series properly. I'm sad to hear that the Flash isn't doing so hot. I hope Supergirl is. The first season was very enjoyable to watch.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on December 06, 2016, 08:17:28 pm
I'm sad to hear that the Flash isn't doing so hot.

Are you hearing that from other sources?  Witherweaver only said that it's been :(, which is a rather ambiguous statement if you ask me. ;)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on December 07, 2016, 08:23:47 am
Speaking of multiple timelines This Is Us.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on December 07, 2016, 09:27:28 am
I'm sad to hear that the Flash isn't doing so hot.

Are you hearing that from other sources?  Witherweaver only said that it's been :(, which is a rather ambiguous statement if you ask me. ;)

One of my friends is less enamored of it, but she wasn't especially impressed by the first season. Her standards may be way high for a superhero show.

This does not stop me from watching the show, and I'll pick it back up once I'm caught up on Agents of Tomorrow. I'll make my own judgment then.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 07, 2016, 09:38:49 am
Season 3 of Flash has just not been great.  I thought Season 1 was done very well.  Season 2 had a lot of good components but too much contrived drama and contrived raising of stakes; Season 3 is more of the same, venturing into annoying contrived drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on December 10, 2016, 10:53:13 pm
Agents of Tomorrow.

Legends of Tomorrow, or Agents of SHIELD?  The first, I imagine.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on December 11, 2016, 12:52:42 am
Agents of Tomorrow.

Legends of Tomorrow, or Agents of SHIELD?  The first, I imagine.

Heh, yes, Legends. See, that's how infrequently I watch it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 11, 2016, 12:39:32 pm
Has anyone seen Louis CK's new show, Horace and Pete?  At first I was pretty unsure about it. but after three episodes I'm a bit taken away.  It's not a comedy at all (I had originally assumed it was), and it's filmed as if it were a stage production (dialogue, lighting, stage positions, etc.).   It's really interesting. 

Basically, it's like watching a dramatic play, with some moments of dark, maybe "real", comedy mixed in.

It recently became available on Hulu.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 15, 2016, 10:28:31 am
So, uh, Black Mirror.  Season 1 was, like, okay, you understand what they're doing with the show, and it was good, but Season 2 (especially episodes 2 and 4) were just incredible.  I haven't watched Season 3 yet, but my impression from others is that it's even better.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on December 15, 2016, 10:29:54 am
So, uh, Black Mirror.  Season 1 was, like, okay, you understand what they're doing with the show, and it was good, but Season 2 (especially episodes 2 and 4) were just incredible.  I haven't watched Season 3 yet, but my impression from others is that it's even better.

Yay!

S2E4 is one of the best, but like nothing can compare to S3E6. 1,5h episode, one of the best things I ever watched.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: drsteelhammer on December 15, 2016, 11:19:40 am
Black Mirror: I disagree with WW about Season 1, I think it's almost as good as Season2. Mostly due to E1 being one one of the best, along with the Christmas special (the 7th episode).

If you watched Black Mirror for its good scifi, you'll be disappointed by season 3, I believe. Imo, E4 was really well done, almost as good as the best. E1 was flawed but had its moments and the other were just downright offensive with their blandness and lack of creativity.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 15, 2016, 11:37:04 am
Black Mirror: I disagree with WW about Season 1, I think it's almost as good as Season2. Mostly due to E1 being one one of the best, along with the Christmas special (the 7th episode).

If you watched Black Mirror for its good scifi, you'll be disappointed by season 3, I believe. Imo, E4 was really well done, almost as good as the best. E1 was flawed but had its moments and the other were just downright offensive with their blandness and lack of creativity.

I think my impression was that I didn't quite know what it was before starting to watch; I didn't realize it was an anthology.  So a lot of S1:E1, I was struck thinking: "this is the start of the story for the entire show?"  Then when I saw Episode 2 I realized more what it was about.  But yeah, I do think Season 1 was quite good, though the episodes I mentioned (S2:E2 and S2:E4) were really intense viewings for me.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 16, 2016, 08:10:04 pm
S3:E1 is MeowMeowBeenz!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 18, 2016, 12:38:57 am
Saw up through episode four of Season 3, which I agree was very well done.  I was left a bit unsure about what to think about S3:E3, but thinking more I appreciate it.  The thing that is really well done about this show is that the 'reveals' are not really the point, but they serve to make you go back and consider the entire episode, and the takeaway is different.  I liked S2:E2, especially because of the connection with the cell phone/mobile device on the airplane at the beginning and the phone being the issue in the end.  It really turns the entire episode from sort of run-of-the-mill scifi horror into really dark humor.

Anyway, so far (still have two episode in Season 3) I was more 'blown away' by Season 2 than the other seasons, in terms of the kind of emotional state I was left in after the episodes.  But they're all impressive. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on December 18, 2016, 03:25:27 am
Season 3 of Flash has just not been great.  I thought Season 1 was done very well.  Season 2 had a lot of good components but too much contrived drama and contrived raising of stakes; Season 3 is more of the same, venturing into annoying contrived drama.

Finally caught up on my DC CW Universe shows (Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Legends).  I agree that I haven't been impressed with Flash S3.  I will say that the crossover did finally kill that stupid Cisco hates Barry because Flashpoint killed his brother thing in a good way and now we can move on to better stuff.  I'm hoping they use the Caitlyn/Killer Frost stuff more, as that is always awesome.  I think what's actually taken away the most from The Flash being a good show this year is the stupid stop Wally from being Kid Flash silliness.  Just let it be.

Arrow got greater -- it was always my favorite of the shows and it doesn't disappoint.  Having another Walking Dead dead resurface is always nice.  Someday they need to just drop the flashbacks, though.  Legends isn't impressing me storywise, but the characters are great.  I like the Minority Report guy.  Supergirl is...still just a tweeny drama with aliens.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on December 19, 2016, 10:53:04 am
Anyone watch Expanse?  Odd question about it...

So on Netflix (non-US edition), I am flipping through and find it.  It has the "Netflix Original" tag on it, and opens with the Netflix banner and everything, like Stranger Things, etc.

I start watching the first episode and it feels really familiar.  Then I realize I already watched that episode, when it was on Syfy!  So I Wikipedia it, and lo and behold, it's actually a Syfy original series.

Can Netflix re-brand properties like that, even when they are ongoing?  Syfy is making Season 2 now.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on December 19, 2016, 10:55:21 am
Maybe Netflix is simply part of the production?  I believe there are other shows like this, that air on television and are also produced by Netflix.

Edit: Apparently, Netflix acquired it, at least for international distribution.  Odd that it would be branded 'original', though.

http://deadline.com/2016/10/space-drama-the-expanse-streaming-netflix-1201834745/
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/netflix-acquires-expanse-season-2-original-series-even-bigger-scope-562527
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on December 19, 2016, 10:57:22 am
Maybe Netflix is simply part of the production?  I believe there are other shows like this, that air on television and are also produced by Netflix.

I don't think so, at least not in this case.

Like, I watched Grimm on Netflix and it didn't say anything about Netflix on it.  The only thing I can think of is rights where you are.

And a google search seems to support that theory:  https://www.reddit.com/r/TheExpanse/comments/5bgxh9/the_expanse_on_netflix_uk_is_listed_as_a_netflix/
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on January 01, 2017, 10:41:12 pm
The Six Thatchers. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 03, 2017, 11:28:59 am
Venture Brothers Season 6 is on Hulu, and it's excellent. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on January 03, 2017, 01:05:15 pm
Venture Brothers Season 6 is on Hulu, and it's excellent. 

I rather liked this season. It was starting to feel a little stale prior to this. I like the move to NYC, and I like the stories that came about from that. Blue Morpho was especially humorous.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 03, 2017, 01:21:00 pm
The Six Thatchers. 'Nuff said.

I felt it was one of the weaker episodes of the whole series. Not disappointing though as it was still very entertaining and well made. I think it had too little of the comedy element for my taste, which is what makes the previous episodes so great, the juxtaposition of comedy with drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 04, 2017, 09:28:02 am
Venture Brothers Season 6 is on Hulu, and it's excellent. 

I rather liked this season. It was starting to feel a little stale prior to this. I like the move to NYC, and I like the stories that came about from that. Blue Morpho was especially humorous.

Yeah, and the Andy Warhol episode was genius.  Also everything with Brock and Warriana.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on January 05, 2017, 11:13:28 am
The Six Thatchers. 'Nuff said.

I felt it was one of the weaker episodes of the whole series. Not disappointing though as it was still very entertaining and well made. I think it had too little of the comedy element for my taste, which is what makes the previous episodes so great, the juxtaposition of comedy with drama.
While there were parts I didn't like, I don't think it was one of the worst. The worst was definently a scandal in belgravia, and I don't know from there. Six Tatchers was probably right in the middle, and maybe a tad lower.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 05, 2017, 11:44:22 am
The Six Thatchers. 'Nuff said.

I felt it was one of the weaker episodes of the whole series. Not disappointing though as it was still very entertaining and well made. I think it had too little of the comedy element for my taste, which is what makes the previous episodes so great, the juxtaposition of comedy with drama.
While there were parts I didn't like, I don't think it was one of the worst. The worst was definently a scandal in belgravia, and I don't know from there. Six Tatchers was probably right in the middle, and maybe a tad lower.

I actually really liked Scandal in Belgravia. But that is probably because Scandal in Bohemia is one of my favorite Arthur Conan Doyle stories. Mostly because of this episode of Wishbone (kid show in the US back in the 90s).

https://youtu.be/eijAqqGYfH0
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 05, 2017, 11:48:43 am
I have trouble ranking Sherlock episodes, because I think they're all great.  Like I'm just happy to have each one. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 11, 2017, 10:13:32 am
So, The Lying Detective.  I thought it was great. 

The 'reconciliation' between Sherlock and John we of course knew was coming, but I think this succeeded in making it feel 'believable' on an emotional level.  I do think that we're starting to see 'power creep' in Sherlock's abilities... they kind of always need to top feats he's done before by making him more and more genius.   
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 11, 2017, 10:18:15 am
Also started watching some Hulu shows:

Shut Eye: Jeffery Donovan plays a con-artist who runs a psychic business, which is a part of a larger crime organization.  He suffers some drama and starts experiences what appear to be real visions.  Mix between drama and dark comedy.  Not fantastic, but entertaining. 

Chance: Hugh Laurie plays a neuropsychologist who begins to explore a dark world after trying to help a patient.  Has a bit of an '8 mm' feel.  Very engaging; I haven't finished this yet.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on January 11, 2017, 07:10:43 pm
So, The Lying Detective.  I thought it was great. 

The 'reconciliation' between Sherlock and John we of course knew was coming, but I think this succeeded in making it feel 'believable' on an emotional level.  I do think that we're starting to see 'power creep' in Sherlock's abilities... they kind of always need to top feats he's done before by making him more and more genius. 
I personnaly thought that made sense but my family said it was too unlikely. The episode was a little physchidellic especially with sherlock walking on walls and such.
Anyways, bummed I'm missing the final problem, have to watch that monday instead...
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2017, 07:55:10 pm
Taboo on FX.  Premier was excellent.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on January 27, 2017, 08:19:53 am
I'm not sure I feel like continuing the DC shows this season. I'm only three or four episodes into each one so far. I'm just not feeling the momentum to make it to the crossover episodes (which sounds like they were disappointing anyway).

Arrow seems okay enough, but the team-building is just a cycle, and I'm not feeling anything for the characters except Rag Man.
Flash is getting into desperate territory with a silly side arc. I'm not feeling the thrill from the first season.
Legends of Tomorrow was always goofy, so I actually don't feel disappointment with this show. It set a low but fun bar, and it's maintained that level consistently.
Supergirl is the one that still captures my attention. Maybe it's because the other characters pop a little more for me.

I probably wouldn't be feeling this way if I didn't have a growing list of shows I want to watch: Season 2 of Man in the High Castle, Series of Unfortunate Events, Season 2 of Kimmy Schmidt, the Shannara Chronicles, Black Mirror, Better Call Saul, Season 2 of the Expanse soon, Shadowhunters (don't judge; I know the lead actress and it's gotten decent enough reviews), and at least a couple seasons of Agents of SHIELD.

I mean it's good that I'm spending less time watching television. I feel like I may be at the point where I need to cull my viewing list, and I have more interest in several other shows than the DC universe.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on January 27, 2017, 09:07:27 am
Crazyhead
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on January 27, 2017, 09:34:29 am
Series of Unfortunate Events

?? :-o I didn't know there was a TV series! That's awesome! Well, if it's good, at least. The appeal of the books is hard to capture on screen I think.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 27, 2017, 10:04:57 am
The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on January 27, 2017, 10:56:21 am
Series of Unfortunate Events

?? :-o I didn't know there was a TV series! That's awesome! Well, if it's good, at least. The appeal of the books is hard to capture on screen I think.

It's a Netflix original, and it's gotten rave reviews. I saw the first episode. It's neat, though I feel it doesn't live up to the hype. Perhaps subsequent episodes will justify the hype. Maybe the hype is just too big to be met. In any case, I'm interested enough in the first episode to continue watching it. It has a very Bryan Fuller feel to it. Others have compared it to Tim Burton, but I feel that Fuller's style is far subtler, yet ubiquitous.

I do admit to being annoyed by the percussive reminders that this is a series of unfortunate events. If you haven't turned back by now, you should seriously consider turning back if you want a happy story. I'm hoping that was just the first episode. Very fun theme song, though.

And hey, it has Neil Patrick Harris and Joan Cusack.

The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.

Huh, I heard positive comments, but it was a small sample size. I've not read the books and have nothing vested in this series. I just heard it was neat. It hasn't been high on my priority list, so it could possibly fall off.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on January 27, 2017, 11:02:31 am
The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.
I would absolutely disagree. I thought it was great.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on January 27, 2017, 11:04:07 am
It's a Netflix original, and it's gotten rave reviews. I saw the first episode. It's neat, though I feel it doesn't live up to the hype. Perhaps subsequent episodes will justify the hype. Maybe the hype is just too big to be met. In any case, I'm interested enough in the first episode to continue watching it. It has a very Bryan Fuller feel to it. Others have compared it to Tim Burton, but I feel that Fuller's style is far subtler, yet ubiquitous.

I do admit to being annoyed by the percussive reminders that this is a series of unfortunate events. If you haven't turned back by now, you should seriously consider turning back if you want a happy story. I'm hoping that was just the first episode. Very fun theme song, though.

Interesting, I also didn't know it was popular.

The author reminds you usually twice in each book, once at the beginning and once close to the end, which isn't that often.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on January 27, 2017, 11:16:07 am
It's a Netflix original, and it's gotten rave reviews. I saw the first episode. It's neat, though I feel it doesn't live up to the hype. Perhaps subsequent episodes will justify the hype. Maybe the hype is just too big to be met. In any case, I'm interested enough in the first episode to continue watching it. It has a very Bryan Fuller feel to it. Others have compared it to Tim Burton, but I feel that Fuller's style is far subtler, yet ubiquitous.

I do admit to being annoyed by the percussive reminders that this is a series of unfortunate events. If you haven't turned back by now, you should seriously consider turning back if you want a happy story. I'm hoping that was just the first episode. Very fun theme song, though.

Interesting, I also didn't know it was popular.

The author reminds you usually twice in each book, once at the beginning and once close to the end, which isn't that often.

I heard that the series is basically two episodes per book. I could not confirm that.

But considering how often they smacked you with that disclaimer in just the first episode, they clearly thought it was an amusing conceit which they promptly made less amusing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 27, 2017, 11:39:49 am
The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.

Huh, I heard positive comments, but it was a small sample size. I've not read the books and have nothing vested in this series. I just heard it was neat. It hasn't been high on my priority list, so it could possibly fall off.

I've read the books (they were my introduction into fantasy literature and continue to love them) and had a pretty vested interest. Now maybe it improved after episode 3 or 4 when I gave up, but man it was pretty dreadful on every level especially compared to other fantasy shows of a similar vein: Game of Thrones, the Magicians, Jonathan Strange.

But I knew it was going to be a stretch the moment I heard that MTV was producing it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 27, 2017, 11:40:30 am
The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.
I would absolutely disagree. I thought it was great.

That's cool. Do you feel that it got better after the first few episodes? I think I stopped watching after the met the aunt on the coast.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on January 27, 2017, 11:47:24 am
The Shannara Chronicles

Bad. Bad. So bad. Game of Thrones for tweens. Just bad.
I would absolutely disagree. I thought it was great.

That's cool. Do you feel that it got better after the first few episodes? I think I stopped watching after the met the aunt on the coast.
I think it progressively got worse but I thought overall it was pretty good. Still nowhere close to game of thrones and magicians though.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2017, 12:55:26 pm
Shadowhunters is also terrible.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2017, 12:55:56 pm
As for DC, if you can hold out for the crossover, things get so much better.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on January 27, 2017, 01:16:25 pm
It's a Netflix original, and it's gotten rave reviews. I saw the first episode. It's neat, though I feel it doesn't live up to the hype. Perhaps subsequent episodes will justify the hype. Maybe the hype is just too big to be met. In any case, I'm interested enough in the first episode to continue watching it. It has a very Bryan Fuller feel to it. Others have compared it to Tim Burton, but I feel that Fuller's style is far subtler, yet ubiquitous.

I do admit to being annoyed by the percussive reminders that this is a series of unfortunate events. If you haven't turned back by now, you should seriously consider turning back if you want a happy story. I'm hoping that was just the first episode. Very fun theme song, though.

Interesting, I also didn't know it was popular.

The author reminds you usually twice in each book, once at the beginning and once close to the end, which isn't that often.

I heard that the series is basically two episodes per book. I could not confirm that.

But considering how often they smacked you with that disclaimer in just the first episode, they clearly thought it was an amusing conceit which they promptly made less amusing.


There is also a movie covering the first three books – though I assume the series is independent. Have you seen it?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on January 27, 2017, 02:57:31 pm
There is also a movie covering the first three books – though I assume the series is independent. Have you seen it?

I had heard that it took elements from other books, but I didn't know the exact details. You refer to the Jim Carrey movie, right?

It's been a while since I've seen it (holy crap, has it really been 13 years?), so I can't remember that much about it. It didn't immediately go into my mind's rubbish bin, which is a good accomplishment for a Jim Carrey movie, but I never bothered to buy it on DVD, so it wasn't great enough to be memorable for me.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: 2.71828..... on January 27, 2017, 03:18:41 pm
I also really want to watch the Series of Unfortunate Events, just need to figure out when to begin the binge....
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on January 27, 2017, 03:44:35 pm
There is also a movie covering the first three books – though I assume the series is independent. Have you seen it?

I had heard that it took elements from other books, but I didn't know the exact details. You refer to the Jim Carrey movie, right?

Yup

I watched the first episode of the show – I'd say it's better than the movie. It's over the top in a charming way and I'm sold on most character portrayals.

The exception is Lemony Snicket – I like the style of narrating, but I really dislike him being this smug, well-dressed guy. It doesn't seem to fit at all.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2017, 04:42:06 pm
As for DC, if you can hold out for the crossover, things get so much better.

Flash return from the break was easily the best episode of the season, by far.  Fantastic.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: The_Wine_Merchant on January 27, 2017, 04:46:27 pm
The exception is Lemony Snicket – I like the style of narrating, but I really dislike him being this smug, well-dressed guy. It doesn't seem to fit at all.

Just close your eyes and imagine that it is Kronk.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LostPhoenix on January 27, 2017, 08:50:50 pm
The exception is Lemony Snicket – I like the style of narrating, but I really dislike him being this smug, well-dressed guy. It doesn't seem to fit at all.

Just close your eyes and imagine that it is Kronk.

This actually made me burst out laughing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 05, 2017, 08:58:39 pm
So, Taboo.  Four episodes in, and it's awesome.

Also, Expanse is back on!  I enjoyed the opening a lot.  There is still some, uh... wooden? dialogue/writing/acting/whatever.  Still good, especially by SyFy standards.

I'm really disliking Flash more and more :(  Everything with Wally bothers me, and, like.. every time a faster-than-sound hero comes into contact with a bad guy they always stop, clearly announce their intentions to apprehend said bad guy, and then get 'blindsided' by the bad guy.  Like, just take the dude, strip him completely bare, throw him in a cell or pit, and then ask questions. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on February 05, 2017, 09:15:38 pm
So I watched Powerless. It is a cute concept, but I honestly don't see it sticking around. Then again, I couldn't imagine making a series based on the Spirit of Christmas and now South Park is 20 years old, so what do I know?

The humor wasn't great, but it gave me some legitimate laughs, so that's good. The effects look pretty cheap, which is what I would expect for a half-hour comedy show that premieres in February. I won't hold that against them. I'd continue watching it, but I'll be surprised if it gets much farther.

My latest surprise is checking out Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. I had seen praise for this show from people I trust. I finally broke down and watched the first nine episodes. While the story boils down simply to a neurotic woman making really poor decisions, the situations are presented in amusing ways, including an average of two musical numbers per episode. The musical numbers are quite jaded and clever. They are far better than Galavant's musical numbers.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on February 05, 2017, 09:44:17 pm
I'm loving practically everything about the Dirk Gently series. Not sure there's actually a part I dislike.

I'm a bit late, but I started watching this. Marathoned the first 5 I think episodes yesterday.

I'm fearful it won't stay good for much longer. The first two episodes were great because they were insane and unpredictable and mysterious, but now they've gradually uncovered all mysterious things and now it has to rely on actual writing, and the writing itself doesn't seem to be that clever. Still it was good so far.

Also I read the book – the original dirk gently's holistic detective agency (another one that I didn't know was popular enough to get an adaption). The similarities are minuscule. It's a different appeal, story, feeling, and a totally different cast. Both may have a character called Dirk Gently but he's not at all similar. Usually I'd say they just want to cash in from the success of the book, except again is there really that much to cash in on?

Here is a thing to dislike: the lottery ticket arc just disappeared into nothing? Isn't that a big deal? He did get it back. I assume he cashed it in, otherwise I have to question how he can afford anything. But that really should have been shown.

Well that and the entire cast is comprised of way too attractive people (common flaw, but still) and every non-likable character who doesn't qualify as a proper villain seems to get killed super quickly while everyone who's important has plot-invulnerability. I guess in this case, for a show which isn't very serious, this could be excused.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on February 06, 2017, 02:48:45 am
So, Taboo.  Four episodes in, and it's awesome.

Also, Expanse is back on!  I enjoyed the opening a lot.  There is still some, uh... wooden? dialogue/writing/acting/whatever.  Still good, especially by SyFy standards.

I'm really disliking Flash more and more :(  Everything with Wally bothers me, and, like.. every time a faster-than-sound hero comes into contact with a bad guy they always stop, clearly announce their intentions to apprehend said bad guy, and then get 'blindsided' by the bad guy.  Like, just take the dude, strip him completely bare, throw him in a cell or pit, and then ask questions.

Is Expanse only on network for now, or does Netflix have it back yet?  I have to wait for Netflix.

On the Flash -- I mentioned before I thuought the first episode back after the break was one of the best in a LONG time.  Especially how they're dealing with Iris's future death, and for once Iris's acting was spot on.  I'm going to lose it if/when Joe finds out and breaks down because he's easily the best actor on the show and I totally buy his love for his kids thing....

I think your thing with Wally is like my thing with Wally, in that we like a sidekick usurping the hero who we've invested ourselves in for 2.5 seasons. I mean, they've clearly had Wally on the "will be faster than Flash really fast" track all this time.

I love HR Wells, plus Cisco.

Sidebar: latest Legends was fantastic.  Legion of Doom!

Side-sidebar: Supergirl just gets worse and worse.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on February 06, 2017, 02:49:36 am
On Powerless -- needs more Abed.  I'll watch it until it gets cancelled.

Anyone watching/watched Travelers on Netflix?  I like it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: LaLight on February 07, 2017, 02:30:36 am
Spent the whole night watching Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Couldn't stop. It is a masterpiece, one of the best series I have ever seen!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 12, 2017, 04:58:35 pm
Walking Dead tonight tonight tonight tonight.

Also, Legion on FX.  Quite a premiere.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 14, 2017, 09:52:29 am
Watched the first two episodes of Powerless.  I quite liked it.  Basically the same impression as Kuildeous.. concept and premises of the jokes are pretty good, and I'm happy to see Danny Pudi and Alan Tudyck back in a show.  It's like nice casual/relaxing TV watching.  I would not be surprised if it doesn't last, though.  It would be nice if it did.  IMDB is fairly harsh on it, but those boards are toxic (which is why they're getting shut down), so I don't know how accurate of a barometer that is.

It does remind me of Better Off Ted.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on February 14, 2017, 10:42:45 am
Was pretty let down with the WD episode. I mean, decent continuation of story arc but I felt the scene where Alexandria petitions the Kingdom was very unrealistic and contrived and seemed to involve entirely too little deliberation. The scene with the cable between cars mowing down hundreds of zombies was fun in a comic book way but wholly unrealistic. The ending scene where Rick smiles was pretty great. I'm pretty sure what he sees is an army of people with guns who he can leverage against the saviors. I felt almost all of the scenes with Morgan fell totally flat. The scene with Carol seemed a pointless use of time that could have been better spent fleshing out the Ezekiel deliberation. Also, wtf, no Negan, that's just not fair. Whatever Gabriel is up to is intriguing.

Edit: How did Rick get his revolver back?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 14, 2017, 11:01:54 am
I sort of agree on one thing:

The Carol scene didn't seem completely necessary. (Aside: I would have thought Benjamin would have mentioned to Carol that all her friends were here.  It was clear they were from the same group as Morgan, and by extension Carol.  It's possible Morgan asked him not to, but the meeting was coincidental.  I had actually assumed that was the entire point of the scene.)  However, it was used towards Ezekiel's deliberation, since Benjamin connects it to the decision. 

They could have shown more with Ezekiel, but they showed two close counsel's (Morgan, who he has taken quite a trust to), and Benjamin with opposing views.  We can assume he thought this over.  I guess they could have shown a scene of him not sleeping all night or something.  For me I was okay enough putting pieces together.  Though, I expected him to decide to join them.  (After all, in the comics he had basically already decided and was just waiting for it to become possible.)  I'm guessing it's going to come down to a death (Benjamin, Morgan, or Richard) to sway him, or Richard will preempt and force his hand.


Overall I really liked this episode.  More of the slow character and plot stuff that I prefer. 

As for Negan, I think he made one of his best contributions to the show so far, with the radio voiceover.  "Things will not be the same now that he's dead. Without Fat Joey, Skinny Joey is just … Joey. So it's a goddamn tragedy."   And "Just the other day we were joking about oral sex with Lucille." Seriously some of my favorite Negan lines so far.

Regarding some differences in show development vs comics, the changes seem more realistic.  In the comics, Alexandria had the arms (Negan comes to Alexandria for supplies and doesn't take a single weapon?), just not the numbers.  Hilltop people were still influenced by Gregory rather than Maggie at this point (side note: Will we get 'I believe in Rick Grimes' speech?), and The Kingdom was not presented as significant of an army as it is in the show.  So in the comics, Rick gets Ezekial for an immediate attack, but not the Hilltop, who end up coming in to save them at a pivotal moment.  There is also this new group (and possibly the shore group).  I think the show might have Rick initiating an attack with the new group, the Hilltop 'rebels', and the Kingdom may join in the manner that Hilltop does in the comics.  In any case, I think it's likely that a death is going to be what pushes Ezekial to join Rick.  It could also be the violence/potential fight we see coming in the preview for next episode, but I think that may be more building up.

Also, every seen with Ezekial is like my favorite thing ever.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 14, 2017, 11:03:02 am
Edit: How did Rick get his revolver back?

Fat Joey had it.  In the midseason finale, Daryl takes it from Fat Joey after killing him.  He gives it back to Rick when the reunite in the last scene.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on February 14, 2017, 11:28:39 am
Edit: How did Rick get his revolver back?

Fat Joey had it.  In the midseason finale, Daryl takes it from Fat Joey after killing him.  He gives it back to Rick when the reunite in the last scene.

Ah, thanks for that. I'm sure it registered at the time but it got lost in the meantime.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 14, 2017, 11:39:08 am
Edit: How did Rick get his revolver back?

Fat Joey had it.  In the midseason finale, Daryl takes it from Fat Joey after killing him.  He gives it back to Rick when the reunite in the last scene.

Ah, thanks for that. I'm sure it registered at the time but it got lost in the meantime.

I am confused on where Carl got his gun, though.  If it was shown, I missed it.  They made a point of saying they have exactly two when they hand them over at the Kingdom.  Did Negan let Carl keep a gun when he brought Carl back?  Seems unlikely.  I suppose Carl could have just picked one up at the Hilltop (assuming they have a handful), but everyone else could have as well.  Maybe Hilltop could only spare one.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on February 14, 2017, 01:53:37 pm
You guys see Legion? First episode was pretty good, second one out tomorrow.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 14, 2017, 02:00:20 pm
You guys see Legion? First episode was pretty good, second one out tomorrow.

Yeah, I mentioned it briefly above.  Really good and strange.  Left a lot of things unclear.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 17, 2017, 08:04:21 pm
So Powerless is, like, really cheesy, but I somehow find it very funny.  I find myself actually laughing a lot throughout
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on February 22, 2017, 11:10:37 am
Tried a few shows recently. I see that I've been living in a GoT/True Blood/Breaking Bad bubble as I complained about the entire cast of the Dirk Gently's series being disproportionately attractive, since that seems to be the case pretty much all the time. What's worse is that you can figure out which characters are important and which aren't based on their appearance, sometimes. Maybe the US military should start up some programs to improve soldier appearance, that seems to be a really effective way to avoid getting killed!

Anyway, I've seen the series of unfortunate events, the dirk gently show, van helsing, and now started stranger things. I dropped How to get away with Murder and The Returned. I found all of the last three to be really well made and highly entertaining, but none of them to really be great or anything (Van Helsing came the closest, but it was also the most stupid at times). The bottleneck is always the writing. I see attempts to break away from predictable patterns here and there, but way too much is still the old crap.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a representative viewer, otherwise the priorities would be different. Based on a relatively small sample size, it seems to me like the industry has been improving in various ways like directing, but only very marginally in actual story telling.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on February 22, 2017, 01:14:59 pm
Pretty sure This is Us is stealing the storytelling title this year.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on February 22, 2017, 01:21:49 pm
I gave the first episode of Riverdale a shot. I knew it'd be darker than the Archie comics, so none of the subject matter surprised me.

It definitely has a Twin Peaks vibe to it, especially the opening. It even starts off with a presumed-dead teenager at the water.

I suspect that it won't get as weird or supernatural as Twin Peaks. I'm not sure that it'll keep my interest otherwise. There's a lot of teen angst in it, and that only interests me for a little while. I may continue on with it and see how I feel.

I will say that it's an interesting hybrid of style. While the show ostensibly takes place in modern day, there are elements of the '50s that are fused into the setting: Old tailfin cars and malt shops can be found here. Considering David Lynch's obsession with merging the past with the present, it just adds even more to the Twin Peaks vibe.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on February 22, 2017, 04:35:19 pm
Finished stranger things. Eh, the show is stupid. Pretty much every plot point was resolved in the most predictable and chliche way possible (small sort-of exception is the the handling of the Nancy lovestory), and it's as bad about important character invulnerability as it gets. The way it casually throws away lives of background characters is probably the worst part – each one of those has his own family too... I think altogether the last two episodes were disappointing, I could have still been more interesting.

Nonetheless still fairly enjoyable.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: GendoIkari on February 22, 2017, 04:53:37 pm
So what's with so many different TV shows now being remakes of old movies?

Fargo
Westworld
Evil Dead
Frequency
The Exorcist
School of Rock
Scream
A Series of Unfortunate Events (I know this was a book series before being a movie, but it was still a movie).
Bates Motel

I'm sure there's more.

I mean, there's always been movies that spawned TV shows; that's not new... it just seems like right now; a lot of the currently popular TV shows are based on (somewhat old) movies.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Calamitas on February 22, 2017, 07:03:56 pm
Tried a few shows recently. I see that I've been living in a GoT/True Blood/Breaking Bad bubble as I complained about the entire cast of the Dirk Gently's series being disproportionately attractive, since that seems to be the case pretty much all the time. What's worse is that you can figure out which characters are important and which aren't based on their appearance, sometimes. Maybe the US military should start up some programs to improve soldier appearance, that seems to be a really effective way to avoid getting killed!

Anyway, I've seen the series of unfortunate events, the dirk gently show, van helsing, and now started stranger things. I dropped How to get away with Murder and The Returned. I found all of the last three to be really well made and highly entertaining, but none of them to really be great or anything (Van Helsing came the closest, but it was also the most stupid at times). The bottleneck is always the writing. I see attempts to break away from predictable patterns here and there, but way too much is still the old crap.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a representative viewer, otherwise the priorities would be different. Based on a relatively small sample size, it seems to me like the industry has been improving in various ways like directing, but only very marginally in actual story telling.
Did you watch House of Cards? If not, start.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on February 23, 2017, 11:31:03 am
Tried a few shows recently. I see that I've been living in a GoT/True Blood/Breaking Bad bubble as I complained about the entire cast of the Dirk Gently's series being disproportionately attractive, since that seems to be the case pretty much all the time. What's worse is that you can figure out which characters are important and which aren't based on their appearance, sometimes. Maybe the US military should start up some programs to improve soldier appearance, that seems to be a really effective way to avoid getting killed!

Anyway, I've seen the series of unfortunate events, the dirk gently show, van helsing, and now started stranger things. I dropped How to get away with Murder and The Returned. I found all of the last three to be really well made and highly entertaining, but none of them to really be great or anything (Van Helsing came the closest, but it was also the most stupid at times). The bottleneck is always the writing. I see attempts to break away from predictable patterns here and there, but way too much is still the old crap.

I'm pretty sure I'm not a representative viewer, otherwise the priorities would be different. Based on a relatively small sample size, it seems to me like the industry has been improving in various ways like directing, but only very marginally in actual story telling.
Did you watch House of Cards? If not, start.

Also a remake.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: tripwire on February 23, 2017, 01:36:54 pm
I gave the first episode of Riverdale a shot. I knew it'd be darker than the Archie comics, so none of the subject matter surprised me.

It definitely has a Twin Peaks vibe to it, especially the opening. It even starts off with a presumed-dead teenager at the water.

I suspect that it won't get as weird or supernatural as Twin Peaks. I'm not sure that it'll keep my interest otherwise. There's a lot of teen angst in it, and that only interests me for a little while. I may continue on with it and see how I feel.

I will say that it's an interesting hybrid of style. While the show ostensibly takes place in modern day, there are elements of the '50s that are fused into the setting: Old tailfin cars and malt shops can be found here. Considering David Lynch's obsession with merging the past with the present, it just adds even more to the Twin Peaks vibe.

I've seen the first three episodes. I've found it interesting enough so far. It's like Twin Peaks meets Dawson's Creek with Archie references. I think I just appreciate how bizarre that kind of premise is. It's not doing anything groundbreaking though. I probably wouldn't watch it if my wife wasn't into it, but it's not something I'm suffering through by any means.

Finished stranger things. Eh, the show is stupid. Pretty much every plot point was resolved in the most predictable and chliche way possible (small sort-of exception is the the handling of the Nancy lovestory), and it's as bad about important character invulnerability as it gets. The way it casually throws away lives of background characters is probably the worst part – each one of those has his own family too... I think altogether the last two episodes were disappointing, I could have still been more interesting.

Nonetheless still fairly enjoyable.


I think this is exactly what stranger things was going for though. Stranger Things wanted to recreate the feeling of the eighties films it homages. It's pure nostalgia. From this perspective, cliches and predictability become almost a feature rather than a flaw. That doesn't mean they couldn't have done more interesting or surprising things with these formulas, but that'd make it a different kind of show.

So what's with so many different TV shows now being remakes of old movies?

Fargo
Westworld
Evil Dead
Frequency
The Exorcist
School of Rock
Scream
A Series of Unfortunate Events (I know this was a book series before being a movie, but it was still a movie).
Bates Motel

I'm sure there's more.

I mean, there's always been movies that spawned TV shows; that's not new... it just seems like right now; a lot of the currently popular TV shows are based on (somewhat old) movies.

This isn't unique to TV, either. Almost all mainstream media is derivative today: Superhero stuff, Harry Potter, live-action remakes of Disney animation, huge advertisements for popular toys, etc.

Of the top 10 highest grossing films for the past 3 years (2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_film), 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_in_film#Highest-grossing_films), 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_in_film)) only 4 are original intellectual properties. The rest are remakes, reboots, or sequels. And many of the sequels are almost like remakes (Spectre shares a lot with OHMSS, The Force Awakens is A New Hope in a blender, Rogue One is an adaptation of the opening crawl of Star Wars), and in the case of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 it's a sequel to a reboot of an adaptation.

So, I think the answer is, this stuff makes money and is pretty reliable. Even terrible movies and shows still make money because people like the original stuff. If the money's practically guaranteed, why wouldn't people do it?

That said, I don't think this has to be as terrible as it sounds. For example, both seasons of Fargo are phenomenal and I think a lot of that awesomeness is the result of them trying to capture the tone and interests of the original film. I even think derivative stuff can result in stronger shows and movies because they can focus their efforts on more specific parts. They don't need to develop a new world or figure out the tone of their movie or invent tons of new characters, so they can focus their resources on the other parts (script, directing, cinematography, etc.)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on February 25, 2017, 07:20:48 am
I think this is exactly what stranger things was going for though. Stranger Things wanted to recreate the feeling of the eighties films it homages. It's pure nostalgia.

Fair enough, then I'm just not quite the right audience.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on February 27, 2017, 12:31:45 am
Watched the second and third episodes of Powerless. Definitely getting a little better. Probably still too niche to be popular, but I can hope.

Things I've definitely appreciated upon further viewing of the show:

* No goddamn laugh track.
* Some dark humor.
* The best opening credits of any television show ever.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on February 28, 2017, 09:48:51 am
Edit: How did Rick get his revolver back?

Fat Joey had it.  In the midseason finale, Daryl takes it from Fat Joey after killing him.  He gives it back to Rick when the reunite in the last scene.

Ah, thanks for that. I'm sure it registered at the time but it got lost in the meantime.

The recall scenes prior to Hostiles and Calamities showed Rosita shooting the homemade bullet into Negan's bat (which would have never stopped the bullet IRL, and if it had the bullet would not have been lethal to begin with, but I digress) and Eugene getting captured. I was like, whoah, whoah, wait a minute, WTF?! I looked this particular scene up and sure enough this happened at the end of Episode 8. I pulled 8 up and I'll be damned if I hadn't stopped watching it right about the time Rick gets back from the boat expedition. Which means I missed 3 people getting killed and of course, the final scene where Rick gets his revolver back.

Mystery solved.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 28, 2017, 10:05:50 am
Watched the second and third episodes of Powerless. Definitely getting a little better. Probably still too niche to be popular, but I can hope.

Things I've definitely appreciated upon further viewing of the show:

* No goddamn laugh track.
* Some dark humor.
* The best opening credits of any television show ever.

I don't know if I'd say they're the best opening credits, but I do like them.  Maybe they're in the same category as others.  There are really some quality openers:

The Leftovers
True Detective
Twin Peaks
Walking Dead
Daredevil
Mademen
Game of Thrones

.. probably many others I'm forgetting.  True Blood's opener was actually really good.. it was probably the best part of it, really; setting the mood that the show failed to deliver on in a lot of ways.  I really like Community's; the song is catchy and kind of haunting.. both happy and sad, and nostalgic.

I guess if we go way back, shows like Cheers, Friends had pretty perfect opening credits for their respective shows. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on February 28, 2017, 10:07:27 am
I've been rewatching Twin Peaks in anticipation of the revival.  Damn fine show.

I also watched Santa Clarita Diet.  Really good, definitely worth watching.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on February 28, 2017, 02:21:14 pm
Man, since I watch Adam Ruins Everything on Tru TV (fun show), I accidentally caught Impractical Jokers a couple of times. Is anyone actually entertained by this show? I get that it's these guys basically daring each other to do dumb stunts at the expense of other people, but half the time they show the actual stunt and the other half is just three guys laughing hysterically. Who cares about them laughing?

Granted, I see potential with the stunt where a guy is giving a presentation to an audience with no knowledge what the slides will be. That type of humor has been better done with Whose Line Is It Anyway?

This show and 2 Broke Girls just make me wonder what really counts as humor for some people.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on March 02, 2017, 03:21:23 pm
Did you watch House of Cards? If not, start.

Two episodes so far.

The problem I have with that show is that I'm not sure yet whether I enjoy watching a bunch of assholes wrecking other people's careers in order to get power. It does score well on everything I've critiqued earlier, though, and it seems to be well written. I'll probably watch at least a bit more.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 02, 2017, 03:25:59 pm
Also caught up on Taboo; the finale was Tuesday.  It's pretty fantastic. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 02, 2017, 11:43:04 pm
These week's episode of Legion was fantastic.

Spoiler: Jerome from Flight of the Conchords is in it!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on March 05, 2017, 05:04:46 pm
I'm really impressed with sense8's opening theme. Everyone should watch it. It'll only take you about a minute!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on March 05, 2017, 07:49:27 pm
I'm really impressed with sense8's opening theme. Everyone should watch it. It'll only take you about a minute!

I mean, I like the show quite a lot and I am clearly not the target audience.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on March 05, 2017, 07:50:08 pm
Watched the first episode of OA. It's certainly intriguing so far.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on March 07, 2017, 01:06:09 pm
I'm really impressed with sense8's opening theme. Everyone should watch it. It'll only take you about a minute!

I mean, I like the show quite a lot and I am clearly not the target audience.

Yeah, the show itself is pretty good, too.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: smarttony on March 08, 2017, 04:08:45 am
I used to be addicted to The Walking Dead, I stopped watching. After that I got hooked to watching The Arrow and Flash. I have yet to watch Gotham.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 09, 2017, 10:59:05 pm
Legionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....

man I like this show
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 10, 2017, 04:25:33 pm
Legionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....

man I like this show

Me toooo.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on March 11, 2017, 09:51:09 am
Yeah, the show itself is pretty good, too.

Although I thought the finale was weak and the opener of season 2 is so far the worst episode of the show. Way too much fan service, and apparently not even in universe. I liked the show more when it was serious and less over the top.

I also have some moral complaints. The German guy is an awful person and the show never really judges him; he's treated just like any of the other 7. That and he should have died already!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on March 11, 2017, 11:01:39 pm
Yeah, the show itself is pretty good, too.

Although I thought the finale was weak and the opener of season 2 is so far the worst episode of the show. Way too much fan service, and apparently not even in universe. I liked the show more when it was serious and less over the top.

I also have some moral complaints. The German guy is an awful person and the show never really judges him; he's treated just like any of the other 7. That and he should have died already!

It's been a while since I watched it, but I think your complaint does get addressed at some point.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: smarttony on March 12, 2017, 05:51:21 pm
Legionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....

man I like this show

Me toooo.

I have got to watch it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 13, 2017, 12:47:21 am
Anyone watch Into the Badlands?  Season 1 was a little lackluster but not bad.  It's a little stylistic with combat (kind of like martial arts movies; in the vein of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon).  Season 2 is starting up next week.  I hope it picks up a bit.

Fun fact, the main are place where the Baron Quinn lives is Evergreen Plantation in Louisiana.  (It's a pretty historic site, that comes up in a number of movies/shows.)  An ancestor of mine (my mom's family is from Louisiana) was actually an owner of the property for a small period of time.  This was after slavery, but the land was (and still is) active for growing sugar.  It's also available for tours, where you can walk through and see the house and slave quarters.  (If you watch Into the Badlands, the little wooden shack/houses in which the Clippers live are the actual slave quarters; entire families would live inside those little shacks. I've actually gone inside of them; they're very small.)

I've seen the plantation in other films; for example, one of the plantations that they visit in Django Unchained was Evergreen.
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Post by: smarttony on March 13, 2017, 04:07:11 am
Badlands? I haven't watched it yet though my brother told me that it was a good series.
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Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on March 13, 2017, 10:08:57 am
Yeah I thought it was very good.
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Post by: Robz888 on March 13, 2017, 12:57:59 pm
Anyone watch Into the Badlands?  Season 1 was a little lackluster but not bad.  It's a little stylistic with combat (kind of like martial arts movies; in the vein of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon).  Season 2 is starting up next week.  I hope it picks up a bit.

Fun fact, the main are place where the Baron Quinn lives is Evergreen Plantation in Louisiana.  (It's a pretty historic site, that comes up in a number of movies/shows.)  An ancestor of mine (my mom's family is from Louisiana) was actually an owner of the property for a small period of time.  This was after slavery, but the land was (and still is) active for growing sugar.  It's also available for tours, where you can walk through and see the house and slave quarters.  (If you watch Into the Badlands, the little wooden shack/houses in which the Clippers live are the actual slave quarters; entire families would live inside those little shacks. I've actually gone inside of them; they're very small.)

I've seen the plantation in other films; for example, one of the plantations that they visit in Django Unchained was Evergreen.

I watched it. I really like the fighting. The plot was a gigantic mess. But it has promise.
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Post by: smarttony on March 14, 2017, 05:16:17 am
Yeah I thought it was very good.

Watched the first episode last night. It was good! Thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2017, 04:35:38 pm
House of cards is like the perfect thing to watch if you want to lose all faith in humanity and start being depressed.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2017, 09:45:16 am
Legion renewed for Season 2 (reddit discusison (https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionFX/comments/5zkzz8/legion_renewed_for_season_2/)).  Good news.  Apparently ratings have not been great (ratings are stupid, but sometimes still given credence), but the show is absolutely fantastic.

Last night was another great episode.
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Post by: pingpongsam on March 16, 2017, 10:40:01 am
This is Us wrapped this week. Final episode was definitely the weakest one of them all, wow, I guess they thought they left us hanging on a cliff? Biggest gripe I had was Jack stopped being Jack which I guess is explainable with the alcoholism but I don't think the two were appropriately linked for the viewer..
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 17, 2017, 02:55:38 am
Legion renewed for Season 2 (reddit discusison (https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionFX/comments/5zkzz8/legion_renewed_for_season_2/)).  Good news.  Apparently ratings have not been great (ratings are stupid, but sometimes still given credence), but the show is absolutely fantastic.

Last night was another great episode.

Low ratings?  But it's such a wild ride!
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 17, 2017, 07:44:50 am
Legion renewed for Season 2 (reddit discusison (https://www.reddit.com/r/LegionFX/comments/5zkzz8/legion_renewed_for_season_2/)).  Good news.  Apparently ratings have not been great (ratings are stupid, but sometimes still given credence), but the show is absolutely fantastic.

Last night was another great episode.

Low ratings?  But it's such a wild ride!

I know.  But these ratings aren't indicative of viewership that much, and also it's kind of out there so a lot of casual TV watchers may not invest. 
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 18, 2017, 12:25:32 am
Watching the first episode of Iron Fist. Some of the acting (or maybe dialogue writing) is a bit weak :( Hopefully it picks up.
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 20, 2017, 03:54:21 am
Watching the first episode of Iron Fist. Some of the acting (or maybe dialogue writing) is a bit weak :( Hopefully it picks up.

I binged through all of it!

I'm pretty forgiving of mediocre TV in general, so I'm OK with it.  My biggest gripe with the show is simply that Danny Rand is just kind of stupid.  Why in the world would he think that it's a good idea to tell everyone he meets about his magical fist?  And why is he surprised when people think he is crazy because of it?  It's just kind of unbelievable for someone who is presumably highly trained and highly capable. 

I also found it strange that so many fights were evenly matched.  I guess it's supposed to be more tense that way, but I think it would have been way more fun if the Iron Fist just totally outclassed every opponent in combat ability.  But to be fair, I guess it's just conservation of ninjutsu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu).

I suppose both these things are kind of addressed when they reveal that Danny left before his training was complete.  Not really a satisfying explanation for me though.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 20, 2017, 09:37:57 am
I've only watched two episodes so didn't click the spoilers.  I was a bit annoyed with his naivety, for instance admitting to the psychiatrist that he was the Iron Fist after the psychiatrist believed he was Danny Rand, even though it was obvious that it would get him committed.  However, it did occur to me that  he was raised in basically an alternate dimension where mystical powers are the norm, so he there isn't really a reason for him to not just tell the truth to people.
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Post by: Haddock on March 20, 2017, 09:50:25 am
I don't know if I'd say they're the best opening credits, but I do like them.  Maybe they're in the same category as others.  There are really some quality openers:

The Leftovers
True Detective
Twin Peaks
Walking Dead
Daredevil
Mademen
Game of Thrones

.. probably many others I'm forgetting. 
Dexter
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Post by: Calamitas on March 20, 2017, 05:17:01 pm
House of cards is like the perfect thing to watch if you want to lose all faith in humanity and start being depressed.
Better than what we have currently in the oval office...
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Post by: Beyond Awesome on March 20, 2017, 11:03:47 pm
Westworld. That's all. Watch it.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:27:12 am
Question to the people who watched iron fist, how would you rank it with DD 1/2, Jessica jones, and Luke cage. I'm a huge superhero/comic fan but I only have so much time for B tier television and DD, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron fist, Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tommorow is way too much B tier.

Currently I am one season behind on all the D.C. shows and haven't watched luke cage or iron fist yet. Im now stuck in a pickle because the flash is by far my favorite of the shows though Jessica Jones was really really good. Arrow has become a pretty awful show and and having to watch all four D.C. shows to get the most out of flash and legends is annoying. However on the other hand I think daredevil season two was not great and I'm worried luke cage and iron fist will be mediocre as well leading to a super disappointing defenders show.
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Post by: jonts26 on March 21, 2017, 09:34:30 am
Iron fist is the weakest of the defenders shows. It's just mediocre in pretty much every way. Acting, writing, fight choreography. The biggest plus is there's a good mount of character development and depth.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 21, 2017, 09:37:46 am
DD, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage are strides ahead of shows like Flash, Gotham.  I haven't watched Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, or Arrow, but I can't imagine they're much better than Flash.

I agree that Iron Fist falls below the other Netflix Defender shows, but I'd still rate it above the network DC shows.  I think it picks up after the first few episodes, too.  I'm liking it more at around six episodes.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:42:08 am
Westworld. That's all. Watch it.

Totally agree, I thoughly enjoyed every minute of westworld however, I was a bit disappointed by the multiple timelines reveal. It felt a little bit like the (lost spoiler) ->smoke monster/man in black reveal, where they created such an amazing world and allowed your imagination to run wild for long enough that the eventual answer will never be as exciting as what was in your head. back to westworld -> also I wished the tech who helps mave escape was a more believable charachter. I wished Anthony Hopkins had interacted with him more and perhaps given him a slight sense of approval which caused him to feel it was okay to help mave. As it happened she was extremely threatening to him and his friend and they had multiple opportunities while she was back in the park where any rational person would have cut their losses and said something.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 09:58:32 am
DD, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage are strides ahead of shows like Flash, Gotham.  I haven't watched Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, or Arrow, but I can't imagine they're much better than Flash.

I agree that Iron Fist falls below the other Netflix Defender shows, but I'd still rate it above the network DC shows.  I think it picks up after the first few episodes, too.  I'm liking it more at around six episodes.

I agree DD and Jessica jones are much better standalone series than any of the D.C. shows but being a big D.C. fan and already haiving watched all but the recent season it's very easy to get enjoyment out of the D.C. shows and dardevil season 2 left me a little disappointed. So essentially do you think luke cage was better or worse than dardevil season one/two and then Jessica jones.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 21, 2017, 10:03:04 am
Hm.. it's hard to say.  I actually think Daredevil Season 2 was fantastic.  Jon Bernthal basically stole the show.  I might rate it as Jessica Jones > DD2 > DD1 > Luke Cage, but I think they're all pretty close. 
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Post by: jonts26 on March 21, 2017, 10:32:53 am
I think JJ was the best overall show but it dragged in parts as it seemed there wasn't enough story to hit the episode count. DD season 2 had a fantastic first half, but the second half was a mess. LC had a similar issue.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 10:42:48 am
Okay so from what I'm hearing it's what I feared. I agree Jon berenthal was fantastic but overall DD season two was cut into theee clear parts that didn't have a great overall story arc and the punisher portion was the only good part. If Luke cage and iron fist don't really stand up to Jessica jones I think I'm going to have to drop the marvel shows.

At least in Legends of tomorrow I get to watch what would happen if wentworth Miller's character from prison break was on a superhero team and the actors on that show are pretty great overall. The flash I enjoy because I'm just a flash fanboy and so I think it's worth sucking it up and watching arrow/supergirl instead of luke cage/iron fist because of the crossover.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 21, 2017, 10:49:58 am
I don't think Luke Cage is really a drop in quality compare to Jessica Jones; Luke Cage was great.  I found the Jessica Jones character and individual struggle the most compelling of the heroes, I think.  Luke Cage is definitely good.  I'm only halfway through Iron Fist; so far it isn't as good as the others, but I think it's still worth watching.
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Post by: pingpongsam on March 21, 2017, 11:22:19 am
I thought Jessica Jones was awful and could not finish it. There was no way I was going to try Luke Cage after that. I do like Daredevil, though.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 11:28:47 am
I thought Jessica Jones was awful and could not finish it. There was no way I was going to try Luke Cage after that. I do like Daredevil, though.
Interesting, what didn't you like about Jessica jones? I'm curious as your probably the first person I've heard who didn't like that the most even if only by a little bit.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 21, 2017, 11:45:18 am
I thought Jessica Jones was awful and could not finish it. There was no way I was going to try Luke Cage after that. I do like Daredevil, though.

I don't understand.  Why would Luke Cage quality be dependent on Jessica Jones but not Daredevil?
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Post by: pingpongsam on March 21, 2017, 11:50:05 am
I thought Jessica Jones was awful and could not finish it. There was no way I was going to try Luke Cage after that. I do like Daredevil, though.

I don't understand.  Why would Luke Cage quality be dependent on Jessica Jones but not Daredevil?

The character is introduced in JJ and I didn't care for the LC character.
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Post by: ashersky on March 21, 2017, 11:52:44 am
Question to the people who watched iron fist, how would you rank it with DD 1/2, Jessica jones, and Luke cage. I'm a huge superhero/comic fan but I only have so much time for B tier television and DD, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron fist, Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tommorow is way too much B tier.

Currently I am one season behind on all the D.C. shows and haven't watched luke cage or iron fist yet. Im now stuck in a pickle because the flash is by far my favorite of the shows though Jessica Jones was really really good. Arrow has become a pretty awful show and and having to watch all four D.C. shows to get the most out of flash and legends is annoying. However on the other hand I think daredevil season two was not great and I'm worried luke cage and iron fist will be mediocre as well leading to a super disappointing defenders show.

I watch all the shows except Gotham and Agent Carter, I believe.  Here are my rankings, if this helps.  For reference, I am caught up on all Defender shows except Iron Fist, all of Agents of Shield through S3, and am current on all DC shows on network TV.

Marvel shows, from best to worst: DD, JJ, LC, AoS
DC shows, from best to worst: Arrow, Flash, Legends, Supergirl

In both cases, AoS and SG fall way behind the other series.  If I were to combine...

Arrow, DD, Flash, Legends, JJ, LC, AoS, Supergirl I think.

I will watch Iron Fist and AoS S4 eventually.  I do plan on seeing Agent Carter whenever it ends up free on Netflix, but not before.  Gotham is there and I should watch it, but just can't get excited about it.

Oh, and there's that new X-Men show, right?  Forgot about it, and it's not MCU anyway.  I have seen the movies, though, so I'll get around to it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 21, 2017, 11:57:40 am
New XMen show would be Legion, and it's of an entirely different type.  Kind of like how Logan was a very different movie than any other superhero movie.

Legion is fantastic; better than any other superhero-based show, I would say.  But it's hard to compare; it's not really of the same genre.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 21, 2017, 01:11:39 pm
Thanks ash that's pretty much exactly the opinion I was looking for!

Marvel shows, from best to worst: DD, JJ, LC, AoS

DC shows, from best to worst: Arrow, Flash, Legends, Supergirl

In both cases, AoS and SG fall way behind the other series.

Arrow, DD, Flash, Legends, JJ, LC, AoS, Supergirl I think.

Gotham is there and I should watch it, but just can't get excited about it.

Good to know I'm not missing much by not watching aos.
I'm curious if you put arrow above flash based on overall series or current running. I think seasons one and two of arrow are probably the best seasons of any of the shows shows named. I still think the fact that arrow waited till like season 5 to pay off the whole ollie is of course just as talented with a gun as he is with a bow joke. It was an easy laugh they could have done at any time but it really tickled me because I wasn't expecting it after that long.
Gotham...it's there...but you don't need to watch it.
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Post by: ashersky on March 21, 2017, 01:29:26 pm
Thanks ash that's pretty much exactly the opinion I was looking for!

Marvel shows, from best to worst: DD, JJ, LC, AoS

DC shows, from best to worst: Arrow, Flash, Legends, Supergirl

In both cases, AoS and SG fall way behind the other series.

Arrow, DD, Flash, Legends, JJ, LC, AoS, Supergirl I think.

Gotham is there and I should watch it, but just can't get excited about it.

Good to know I'm not missing much by not watching aos.
I'm curious if you put arrow above flash based on overall series or current running. I think seasons one and two of arrow are probably the best seasons of any of the shows shows named. I still think the fact that arrow waited till like season 5 to pay off the whole ollie is of course just as talented with a gun as he is with a bow joke. It was an easy laugh they could have done at any time but it really tickled me because I wasn't expecting it after that long.
Gotham...it's there...but you don't need to watch it.

I think I rank Arrow higher because I want to be Oliver Queen.

I do love Flash, but it loses points for the first half of this season up to Invasion!  Arrow, especially earlier seasons, is really grounded in interesting dilemmas -- not just superhero beat bad guy save girl stuff, which I like.  It also has a good mix of actual superpowers, mystical stuff, and just strong dudes to not fall into some usual traps.

I mean, they all have stupid head scratch moments, but nothing like "why didn't Flash just flash over and take everything out?"

That's one thing AoS does right with Yo-Yo.

Plus, Felicity > Iris as both sidekick and will they/won't they love interest.

Plus, Barrowman was/is awesome.
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Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 21, 2017, 07:53:05 pm
I've watched all of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage, and last night finished through episode 6 of Iron Fist.  So far I would rank them:

Daredevil (season 1)>>Luke Cage>>>>>>>Daredevil (season 2)>>Iron Fist>>>>>>Jessica Jones

But Jessica Jones is a bit of a weird case, because there are some things in it that are incredibly well done.  The main reason I didn't like it was because I found the inconsistencies way too distracting to suspend my disbelief*.  It also sort of bothered me that the fighting was awful, and that Jessica didn't really need to be a superhero, and also that they gave her the most generic superpowers ever, which made it feel like she only had superpowers because Marvel feels obligated to make all their main characters superheros (I know it's based on the comics, but that's still how it feels to me).

*Like, the scene in episode 7 where Jessica comes out of the confession room and everyone is holding a gun to their head or to someone else's head.  That was a really cool scene, but then it ended with Killgrave telling them in 30 seconds they would all think it was a hilarious joke.  Why doesn't he just do that all the time?  How come he can make this effect "permanent", but not others?  And he can also plant a "time bomb" (say "you will do this in 30 seconds", and then walk out of the room, and then it happens)?  Why doesn't he ever do that any other time?  Then in episode 9 he tells Trish to put a bullet in her head, and then when we see her in episode 10, she's sitting there hitting a bullet against her head, saying "I have to get this in my head".
 How come no one else is allowed to take his commands literally like that?  If you're allowed to do that, it seems like you can be immune to Killgrave by just being super pedantic all the time (he would be no match for f.ds).  And up until that point I had always assumed that when Killgrave tells you to do something, you have to do it as soon as possible, because otherwise, you could just say, okay I'll do that in 30 years (by which point the effect would have worn off, except maybe not because they're not consistent about that).  But Trish deliberately finding a workaround contradicts that.
  Also, how do they know about the limitations on Killgrave's powers (time, distance, etc.)?  I assume that's not something he openly advertises, and it seems non-trivial to run tests to figure it out.  He could just be faking inability to mess with you.  Also, I never understood why killing Riva magically made Jessica immune to Killgrave's powers.

So anyway, that's my issue with Jessica Jones.  I thought Luke Cage was fantastic.  I guess I really liked him as a character because I found him really relatable (he's quiet, doesn't like attention).  I liked how, like Daredevil, there wasn't always one clear bad guy on top; there's just a collection of people with independent motives that end up conflicting.  I do think the stuff involving Diamondback sort of felt like it was there to fit in to the standard superhero archetype.  The fighting certainly was not as good as Daredevil.  I think Luke Cage (the show, not the character) handled racial issues very well too.

Daredevil season 1 was incredible, possibly the best non-comedy thing I've ever watched (I don't like trying to compare comedies and non-comedies).  Season 2 had a lot of the same things that made season 1 great, but the plot got messy and I had a lot of trouble following it in the later episodes.

So far Iron Fist doesn't live up to my expectations (which, to be fair, were unreasonably high).  It started off slow but got a lot better starting in episode 4.  I'm hoping it continues to get better, but after episode 6 I'm not optimistic about the quality of the fight scenes.  I was expecting them to be on par with Daredevil, but the abundance of cuts is making them hard to follow.  It is oddly satisfying, though, every time someone throws a punch and Danny's head is just immediately not where his opponent was aiming.  I did think some of the fights involving Colleen were really good.
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Post by: Kuildeous on March 23, 2017, 07:56:18 am
Regarding Trish in Jessica Jones:

I may have to rewatch that, but I don't view it as Trish intentionally warping Killian's words. If I recall, she tried to shoot herself in the head, but her gun jammed. Having no other gun around (though was the cop killed in that room by then?), she had to carry out the order as best she could. I suppose if I had to gripe about that, it's because she couldn't think of anything better than ramming it against her skull. She could have used a pre-existing opening such as an ear or a nostril. Or even the mouth, as Jessica pointed out.

It's kind of like how Killian explained how shocking it was when he first told someone to go fuck himself. Sure, that's impossible, but if you are compelled to do so, apparently you'll do whatever it takes to try to carry it out. Without a timer, apparently people will try to carry it out as immediately as possible. Trish technically had plenty of time to go out, find a gun, and put a bullet in her head.


I can't disagree with the inconsistency though. The police station scene did not sit well with me at first. That was before I knew that he could tack on conditional statements, so I guess my real beef was assuming the audience knew that when they didn't show an example of it earlier (to my recollection).
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Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 23, 2017, 08:55:09 am
Regarding Trish in Jessica Jones:

I may have to rewatch that, but I don't view it as Trish intentionally warping Killian's words. If I recall, she tried to shoot herself in the head, but her gun jammed. Having no other gun around (though was the cop killed in that room by then?), she had to carry out the order as best she could. I suppose if I had to gripe about that, it's because she couldn't think of anything better than ramming it against her skull. She could have used a pre-existing opening such as an ear or a nostril. Or even the mouth, as Jessica pointed out.

Oh, I guess I missed that.  That one's not so bad then.  Although then it seems pretty lucky that her gun jammed.  Maybe there was a reason for that (besides we don't want to kill an important character), I'd have to re-watch it.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on March 23, 2017, 10:01:46 am
Regarding Trish in Jessica Jones:

I may have to rewatch that, but I don't view it as Trish intentionally warping Killian's words. If I recall, she tried to shoot herself in the head, but her gun jammed. Having no other gun around (though was the cop killed in that room by then?), she had to carry out the order as best she could. I suppose if I had to gripe about that, it's because she couldn't think of anything better than ramming it against her skull. She could have used a pre-existing opening such as an ear or a nostril. Or even the mouth, as Jessica pointed out.

Oh, I guess I missed that.  That one's not so bad then.  Although then it seems pretty lucky that her gun jammed.  Maybe there was a reason for that (besides we don't want to kill an important character), I'd have to re-watch it.

Problems like the one described above didn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fighting in daredevil season 2. They wanted to have their cake (have Matt use all the cool DD moves) and eat it to (have DD be a "tough" guy who takes just as many hits as he dishes out). Anytime Matt goes into a battle they have to force him to do really stupid things like throw his cane/nunchucks and not pick them back up even though we see him bouncing it off walls to perfectly hit people's temples or hit multiple people.

I've heard the combat in iron fist isn't any better. The super fast editing and blurred noises are the main reason I'm cutting the marvel shows in favor of D.C. Ash did bring up a good point with the flash occasionally being frustrating as he isn't flashing all over the place, but untill he learns to speed think I'm okay writing it off as Barry Allen being a dumb kid. I like the idea that Ollie constantly teases Barry, if he had the flashes powers there would be zero crime in about a month...
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Post by: Kuildeous on March 23, 2017, 10:44:36 am
Oh, I guess I missed that.  That one's not so bad then.  Although then it seems pretty lucky that her gun jammed.  Maybe there was a reason for that (besides we don't want to kill an important character), I'd have to re-watch it.

A lot of drama and close calls that we get in entertainment can be chalked up to dumb luck.

And luck does play into a lot of things in real life too. I may have missed a fatal accident because a construction crew caused me to reach a certain point 2 minutes later. That's not as dramatic as, say, a falling piano missing someone by inches.

Most of the time, a show will have luck be on the side of a protagonist. Of course, not always, and that's what can make a show exciting. I got burned out on 24, but part of the joy of the first few seasons was that no character was immune (except for Jack Bauer). It made the deaths more poignant, I felt.
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Post by: eHalcyon on March 23, 2017, 05:55:59 pm
I'm caught up on all the superhero shows!  In general, I think the Marvel shows are higher quality than the DC ones.  Arrow, Flash, Legends and Supergirl are all really cheesy and they seem to tread the same ground over and over again.  It's like every few weeks they have to learn the same lessons again (especially: don't lie to your teammates and hold back important, relevant information).  I still enjoy the shows, but they feel like "guilty pleasure" shows to me.

Agents of Shield is actually one of my favourites right now.  The first half of season 1 was pretty bad, but it's gotten better and better since then.  Season 4 has been excellent. 

I really liked Agent Carter for the different perspective it offered.  Shame it got dropped.

I liked all of the Netflix shows but my memory fails me on the specifics of each.  I just have my general impressions of them.

If I were to rank everything right now... I think it would be something like:

Legion > [DD, JJ, LC, AC] > AoS > [IF, Flash, Arrow] > [LoT, Supergirl] >> Gotham

Where things in brackets are a bit nebulous.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 23, 2017, 06:00:22 pm
Iron Fist has gotten way, way better since the first few episodes.  I think the issues of writing/acting/whatever are still there, but the plot and characters get more interesting.  It's a bit opposite of my reaction to the other Netflix Defender shows, which grabbed my interest right from the beginning .

I think I'm on episode 10. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 23, 2017, 07:15:48 pm
Another thing in Jessica Jones I forgot to mention (well, I sort of alluded to it I guess):

If Killgrave can tell people how to think ("you will all think this is a hilarious joke"), and especially if those thoughts stick permanently, then why doesn't he just finish everything he does by saying "You will forget about this" or "You will think you did this willingly" (or even just "you will think this was a joke", since he's obviously capable of using that one)?

Regarding Trish in Jessica Jones:

I may have to rewatch that, but I don't view it as Trish intentionally warping Killian's words. If I recall, she tried to shoot herself in the head, but her gun jammed. Having no other gun around (though was the cop killed in that room by then?), she had to carry out the order as best she could. I suppose if I had to gripe about that, it's because she couldn't think of anything better than ramming it against her skull. She could have used a pre-existing opening such as an ear or a nostril. Or even the mouth, as Jessica pointed out.

Oh, I guess I missed that.  That one's not so bad then.  Although then it seems pretty lucky that her gun jammed.  Maybe there was a reason for that (besides we don't want to kill an important character), I'd have to re-watch it.

Problems like the one described above didn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fighting in daredevil season 2. They wanted to have their cake (have Matt use all the cool DD moves) and eat it to (have DD be a "tough" guy who takes just as many hits as he dishes out). Anytime Matt goes into a battle they have to force him to do really stupid things like throw his cane/nunchucks and not pick them back up even though we see him bouncing it off walls to perfectly hit people's temples or hit multiple people.

I've heard the combat in iron fist isn't any better. The super fast editing and blurred noises are the main reason I'm cutting the marvel shows in favor of D.C. Ash did bring up a good point with the flash occasionally being frustrating as he isn't flashing all over the place, but untill he learns to speed think I'm okay writing it off as Barry Allen being a dumb kid. I like the idea that Ollie constantly teases Barry, if he had the flashes powers there would be zero crime in about a month...

I don't know...Jessica Jones is the sort of show that you're supposed to really think about, so it's a pretty big problem to me that it falls apart when you think about it.  You could say the same thing applies to your complaints about DD season 2, but I don't think that's such an important place to fall apart.  That is, the plot lines in DD are what you're supposed to be thinking about, not the action.

That being said, I don't really remember thinking there was anything wrong with the fighting in DD 2 and maybe if I did I would agree with you.  Daredevil (both seasons) is pretty hazy to me now.  I'm not really trying to say JJ is objectively a bad show, just trying to explain why I personally didn't like it as much as the others (I still liked it overall, but the other shows set the bar pretty high).

Iron Fist has gotten way, way better since the first few episodes.  I think the issues of writing/acting/whatever are still there, but the plot and characters get more interesting.  It's a bit opposite of my reaction to the other Netflix Defender shows, which grabbed my interest right from the beginning .

I think I'm on episode 10. 

Definitely agree with this.  I finished up through episode 8 last night and it has gotten quite good, at least in terms of plot and character development.  The fighting is no where near what I hoped it would be.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 24, 2017, 02:53:06 pm
I think it depends on what you are looking for in each of the shows. Daredevil probably has the best fight scenes, Legion the best plot and cinematography, Jessica Jones the most interesting themes.

Iron Fist is probably the most disappointing. Iron Fist is supposedly a martial arts show, but the action is mostly pretty forgettable. I liked the scene with the drunken master, but that was just because they focused a little more on the other actor. I'm actually watching Iron Fist while I write this, it's definitely the worst of the Marvel shows I've seen. I didn't like Agents of Shield when the plots got too tied into themselves, but it had it's moments.

Legion on the other hand is probably the most compelling of the shows, but it doesn't even feel like it's in the same universe as the other shows. It's got mutants and the X symbol everywhere, but it certainly doesn't feel like a superhero show in the sense that every other show we've been discussing is.

Jessica Jones is terrible if you look at the details too hard (inconsistencies with Kilgrave's powers, why is Jessica Jones a super hero at all, does she ever do detective work unrelated to Kilgrave), but it's probably the most interesting when you look at it as more of an allegory for those who survive abuse and overcome it. It's got interesting trappings. Luke Cage does similar things along a different theme.

If I had to rate the Marvel shows I'd say:

Legion >>>>>>>>>>>>> Daredevil (season 1) > Jessica Jones > Daredevil (season 2) > Luke Cage > Agent Carter > Agents of Shield > Iron Fist (I can barely pay attention to it when the Meachum's/Hogarth/Claire aren't on screen).
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 24, 2017, 02:56:42 pm
Of the DC shows I've only seen much of the Flash. It's fun, but I haven't had a lot of time with it. Never been that compelled to watch any of the others.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on March 24, 2017, 08:13:05 pm
The latest crossover with Supergirl was epic.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on March 27, 2017, 09:36:22 am
I'm way behind on the DC shows. I just finished the invasion crossover. I had heard fairly negative things, but I thought it was okay. Not great by any stretch. Merely okay. Perhaps the negative comments kept me grounded so I didn't expect much out of it. Still, it was pretty cool to see the heroes working together. And according to my DVR, I still have a ways to go before I'm caught up.

You Legion fans may be happy to know I'm showing support for the show. I watched the first episode on FXNOW. I intend to watch the other episodes as well. It is my hope that my belated decision to watch in streaming may be a benefit to the show. I'm not currently a Nielsen household, but they surely know that I'm watching their show through their app. I hope that means something to them.

Hell, the streaming app is probably better for them since I couldn't fast-forward through those commercials. Speaking of which, I saw an amusing negative review for the FXNOW app. The person whined about too many ads; the point of these television apps is NO COMMERCIALS! Yeah, I don't think that guy understands how television works.

I enjoyed the episode of Legion I saw. It was trippy and hard to follow, which is probably why it'll eventually get canned. I don't have a high regard for the intellectual capacity of the average television viewer. But maybe I'll be proven wrong. There were some really cool shots in that episode, despite the fact that the slo-mo flying bodies shtick was already old after the Matrix movies. It was a pretty intense episode, and I look forward to seeing more.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on March 27, 2017, 12:29:10 pm
So Walking Dead.  An interesting thing I noticed compared to the comics. (Spoilers include both comic and show.)  It's quite clear that Sasha is getting the Holly treatment.  She'll be dead by the end of the finale, 100% guaranteed.  The (attempted) rape scene plays out almost exactly as in the book in terms of dialogue, but I interpreted the comic scene to be very different.  In the comics, I got the impression that Negan was actually surprised at what he saw and was pissed off, and then really lost control and killed the guy out of anger.  In the show, it looked like he completely expected to walk in on this. (This is based on the way Jeffery Dean Morgan delivered the lines, his body language, etc.) I believe that show Negan allowed David around Sasha (maybe even putting him on guard duty) because he knew exactly what kind of person David was and what David would do.  So he basically set this up to (1) kill David, which he knew he'd end up doing eventually, and (2) the more important part, put on a show for Sasha that the Saviors aren't such bad guys.  It adds an extra level of manipulation to Negan.

Also the Eugene development (quite different from the comics) is pretty interesting.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on March 31, 2017, 07:40:44 pm
One Punch Man is hilarious, can't believe I went so long without watching it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on April 03, 2017, 12:19:04 am
One Punch Man is hilarious, can't believe I went so long without watching it.

I started reading the manga after I caught up on the anime.  I'm still not entirely sure of the manga update schedule.  It seems sporadic.



Speaking of funny... Rick and Morty season premiere.  Amazing as always.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Dylan32 on April 03, 2017, 02:45:03 am
One Punch Man is hilarious, can't believe I went so long without watching it.

I started reading the manga after I caught up on the anime.  I'm still not entirely sure of the manga update schedule.  It seems sporadic.



Speaking of funny... Rick and Morty season premiere.  Amazing as always.

"Abort! We never left his Shoney's! WE NEVER LEFT HIS SHONEY'S!"
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on April 04, 2017, 01:23:18 pm
Okay, all caught up on Legion, even though the DVR somehow didn't record episode 8. Fortunately, I was able to see it on demand.

Very cerebral. Kind of like a long trip of Being John Malkovich. I'll be surprised if it can maintain the ratings to justify the budget, but we shall see.

Still digging Powerless, though I'm a couple episodes behind.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on April 04, 2017, 01:32:10 pm
Started 13 Reasons Why.

It's intriguing in a tweeny, glorify suicide, consistently inconsistent main character sort of way.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2017, 04:33:59 am
Finished Iron Fist and it appears I'm in the minority: I really like it.  A few reasons:

--ninjas are always awesome
--strong female characters, especially Colleen, Joy, and Gao, which most all of the superhero genre lacks
--mystical stuff is a good counter to science experiments/mutants/aliens
--Stan Lee sneak cameo, Hogarth, Luke Cage nod were all fun

I'd rank it after DD and above all other shows.  Yeah, Danny wasn't the strongest actor, but the rest were good, the tai chi + Kung fu stuff rocked, and I liked the hectic fight scenes.

Plus, Rza directed an episode!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 16, 2017, 12:18:45 am
Final season of The Leftovers starts tomorrow.  If you're not watching this show you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

I still think International Assassin (S2:E8) is one of the best things I've ever seen on film or television.  I'm excited to see if this season can match it
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ThetaSigma12 on April 16, 2017, 03:21:44 pm
Watching the start of Doctor Who series 10 tonight!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on April 17, 2017, 08:05:17 am
I've been binge-watching Better Call Saul. I finished episode 2 of the second season. These seasons only have 10 episodes, so I should catch up fairly quickly.

I honestly didn't have high expectations for a spin-off series. While I liked Saul in Breaking Bad, I wasn't convinced that a whole series about his "rise" to power would be that interesting.

But they've got some quality writing with some great performances. I'm happy with it. Apparently, my assessment that the season 1 finale was weak sauce is a point of contention among my friends, but I still feel that it was pretty weak, especially compared to the rest of the season. Fight me.

Starz is really ramping up the promotions for American Gods. I had considered holding off on subscribing to Starz so I could binge-watch the entire season with only one month's subscription, but I think I may end up subscribing anyway to keep up with it. The casting is really solid, but the fact that it's by Bryan Fuller is the clincher for me. It seems only logical that this move should be rewarded by throwing money at it.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 17, 2017, 09:52:36 am
Better Call Saul is great.  The acting is incredible, and the storytelling is engaging and immersive for things that you wouldn't think would be interesting to watch on television on their surface.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Robz888 on April 21, 2017, 05:05:36 pm
Final season of The Leftovers starts tomorrow.  If you're not watching this show you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

I still think International Assassin (S2:E8) is one of the best things I've ever seen on film or television.  I'm excited to see if this season can match it

Total agreement. The first season was merely good, the second season was one of the best seasons of TV ever. I love this show.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on April 21, 2017, 05:15:03 pm
Final season of The Leftovers starts tomorrow.  If you're not watching this show you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

I still think International Assassin (S2:E8) is one of the best things I've ever seen on film or television.  I'm excited to see if this season can match it

Total agreement. The first season was merely good, the second season was one of the best seasons of TV ever. I love this show.

The first season was amazing; the second season was amazinger.

The premiere was wow.  This show has a way of eliciting feelings/reactions from me that no other show has done.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on April 21, 2017, 09:38:54 pm
Are you guys seconding Leftovers or Assasin (because it's impossible to tell from the quote)?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on April 22, 2017, 03:08:51 pm
Only 85 days until Game of Thrones continues!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on May 01, 2017, 10:56:10 am
I did watch the premiere of American Gods last night. Just a caveat: I read the book 15 years ago and am dismayed at how much I have forgotten. As a result, I'm approaching this show with enough ignorance to be surprised by some of the minor scenes but not as a neophyte. Therefore, I'll talk about the show itself with some passing references to the book. I simply do not remember the book enough to make a side-by-side comparison.

Is it worth getting Starz to watch American Gods? Considering that a season is only eight episodes, you could subscribe for two months (maybe three) and catch the entire season. During that time, you can watch the Force Awakens, the new Ghostbusters, and other movies. Starz is one of the cheaper premium channels, so it may be worth it to throw money at them for a couple of months. If you're still uncertain, you could wait until all eight episodes have aired and subscribe for one month so you can stream it. It might even work with the 7-day trial period.

But is it a good show? If the premiere is any indication, I think it is, but it won't be for everyone. The story is weird. It's not Dirk Gently weird, but it tells a tale of old gods trying to stay relevant in modern America. Gods of sex and war must contend with new gods of media and technology. You're going to see some wacky stuff here.

Another possible obstacle for the show is its pacing. I don't even know if the entire book is told in these eight episodes, but I suspect not. It plods along much like Man in the High Castle, which was also not written as a television show. It is very much full of style, but it's not sacrificing substance for style. The substance is still there, but Bryan Fuller wants you to appreciate his vision, and his vision is grand.

The show is full of absurd violence. It's not a direction I would have considered, and I could see this working against the show. It has its fair share of gritty fights that may evoke scenes from Fight Club, but it also has visually incongruous scenes of violence. The blood is vibrant in contrast with the dark look. The first death of the series is so ridiculous that I feel even Quentin Tarantino would think it was over the top.

But you know, it works. Bryan Fuller is an accomplished creator, and he's working with a great book. Even better, his cast is phenomenal. They bring these outlandish characters to life in a way that we don't even care how absurd the scenes get. This is about faith in America, and there is no pussyfooting about.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Robz888 on May 01, 2017, 11:20:24 pm
I got to meet Damon Lindelof! Lindelof was a showrunner for Lost (my favorite show of all time) and is now one of the showrunners for The Leftovers. Funny story, I was line for Samantha Bee's White House Correspondents Dinner after party, and I turned around, and he was in line behind me. I got a picture: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10108265063473363&set=a.10106087774537843.1073741838.2259319&type=3&theater

Also, I saw Ali Larter (from Heroes) and Alia Shawkat (Maeby from Arrested Development) at the party.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: drsteelhammer on May 01, 2017, 11:34:29 pm
I got to meet Damon Lindelof! Lindelof was a showrunner for Lost (my favorite show of all time) and is now one of the showrunners for The Leftovers. Funny story, I was line for Samantha Bee's White House Correspondents Dinner after party, and I turned around, and he was in line behind me. I got a picture: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10108265063473363&set=a.10106087774537843.1073741838.2259319&type=3&theater

Also, I saw Ali Larter (from Heroes) and Alia Shawkat (Maeby from Arrested Development) at the party.

Awesome! I hope you told Damon all about how better they'd been of on that island had they brought scout with them.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 04, 2017, 01:12:47 pm
I started reading The Expanse series; finished the first book (Leviathan Wakes) and on the second Caliban's War) now.  They're really good and compelling reads.  The show has done a good job as well; season 2 just finished up about a month ago.  It's especially well done for a SyFy channel show.

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Calamitas on May 04, 2017, 03:43:19 pm
Only 85 days until Game of Thrones continues!
26 days until House of Cards continues (and we get the whole season!)
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on May 10, 2017, 07:13:44 pm
Binged Sense8 season 2... I think it's my favourite show now.  The cast is phenomenal, the mythology is intriguing, the action sequences are tight, its very concept is enough to elevate simple and generic plots into something unique and compelling.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on May 16, 2017, 03:32:53 pm
Binged Sense8 season 2... I think it's my favourite show now.  The cast is phenomenal, the mythology is intriguing, the action sequences are tight, its very concept is enough to elevate simple and generic plots into something unique and compelling.

Really surprised to read you say this. I really thought it just wasn't a good show, once you get behind the very expansive production and cool setting and mature approach and eight different story lines (and the opening credits!)... which admittedly takes about a season. But once you do and it has to rely on the actual writing-

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simple and generic plots

- ... yeah, exactly.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on May 17, 2017, 08:43:38 am
Three episodes into American Gods, and I can see the potential of losing some audiences. This show moves at a glacial pace. I'm okay with it (for example, I really enjoy Unbreakable, which is also incredibly slow), but it's going to lose a lot of people. Hopefully the fans will be enough to keep the show going.

And any homophobes who may have been watching at the beginning will be checking out now, but who gives a fuck about homophobes anyway?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on May 17, 2017, 09:57:55 am
Watched Ep1 of American Gods and I really, really liked it but my viewing partner not so much so it will be difficult for me to find the time to continue it since the shared viewing time requires some degree of mutual consensus and it represents 95% of all my viewing (which probably averages less than an hour per day).
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on May 17, 2017, 10:28:32 am
Watched Ep1 of American Gods and I really, really liked it but my viewing partner not so much so it will be difficult for me to find the time to continue it since the shared viewing time requires some degree of mutual consensus and it represents 95% of all my viewing (which probably averages less than an hour per day).

Yeah, friend of mine said that his wife pretty much watches it only because he's into it. He really loved the book, and he's digging the show (as most fans of the book are wont to do).

I think my own wife is having her doubts. She never read the book either.

The issue I've heard is that there are so many seemingly random events that happen, and there's no context in why these things are happening. Who is this person talking to Shadow now? Considering that Shadow is confused as to the nature of the conversation, of course the viewer may be a little confused too. Who is this woman having sex, and why is she important? There is a payoff for these scenes, but some people are not interested in waiting for it. It could even contribute to the downfall of the show.

I was reminded how much I like weird things. Of course, there's weird stuff in American Gods, but I really got a heaping dose of weird while watching Dirk Gently. In that show, the payoff came much more quickly.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 17, 2017, 10:31:35 am
What are watching options?  You pretty much have to have Starz?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on May 17, 2017, 10:50:15 am
What are watching options?  You pretty much have to have Starz?

Usenet or RealDebrid?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 17, 2017, 03:24:19 pm
Apparently a TV show based on The Witcher is in production:

https://www.dailysabah.com/arts-culture/2017/05/17/netflix-to-produce-tv-series-based-on-popular-the-witcher-video-game
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on May 18, 2017, 02:52:47 am
Binged Sense8 season 2... I think it's my favourite show now.  The cast is phenomenal, the mythology is intriguing, the action sequences are tight, its very concept is enough to elevate simple and generic plots into something unique and compelling.

Really surprised to read you say this. I really thought it just wasn't a good show, once you get behind the very expansive production and cool setting and mature approach and eight different story lines (and the opening credits!)... which admittedly takes about a season. But once you do and it has to rely on the actual writing-

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simple and generic plots

- ... yeah, exactly.

I'm curious, how much of it did you watch?  There's one particular part in the first season where it really just clicks.

I really like shows with neat concepts, and the concept behind Sense8 is just one of the most interesting I've seen.  Season 1 was just the characters beginning to explore the concept while Season 2 is where the show really starts to dive deep into the mythology of the world, which I just love.

Simplicity of the individual characters' plots isn't a bad thing, and they are only generic so far as the individual; it's the ties between the characters that offers the unique twist and makes the stories compelling.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: silverspawn on May 18, 2017, 04:15:25 am
I watched the entire first season. I dropped it halfway through S02e01.

I also like the concept. I like the idea of eight different people who are all totally different and good at different things, but all work together and help each other out. There was this one scene where the lesbain hacker girl tries to escape, and is helped out first by the korean fighting women, then the cop guy, and then the bus driver. That's kind of inherently cool.

But the finale was really weak. They had the odds stacked against them and just had enough luck at each step to pull through anyway. What kind of stakes are supposed to be left after that? It's pretty clear that the show isn't willing to let anyone die. It is, on the other hand, quite willing to have some of them kill lots of other people, and pretty much gives them all a moral pass.

I'm also increasingly frustrated with the gay actor guy's story line. The beginning of his arc is great, where his publicly held girlfriend finds out and you think okay she's going to be mad and stuff and instead she's super into it. Then she messes up, but takes responsibility for it, as she should. But his BF breaking up with him and he trying to commit suicide and failing I thought was super lame. And the german guy is worse, he's just an awful person (and murderer), and the other just continue to support him without questioning whether they really should, which comes back to the moral issues.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on May 18, 2017, 09:39:23 am
I'm wondering what The Flash season finale can do to redeem itself.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 18, 2017, 09:55:40 am
I'm wondering what The Flash season finale can do to redeem itself.

I don't think it can do much.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: jonts26 on May 18, 2017, 10:51:41 am
I thought the penultimate episode was good, idiot ball plot points aside. That may just be because I love captain cold. The season as a whole has been weak though. Also, I'll eat my hat if Iris is actually dead. Theres a lot of reasons to think that was actually HR getting stabbed. .
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 18, 2017, 11:09:30 am
I thought the penultimate episode was good, idiot ball plot points aside. That may just be because I love captain cold. The season as a whole has been weak though. Also, I'll eat my hat if Iris is actually dead. Theres a lot of reasons to think that was actually HR getting stabbed. .

There are just so many side things that seem completely unnecessary.  I always find people complaining about 'filler' episodes in discussion forums and such, and usually it seems like complaining for the sake of complaining, and I find the kinds of episodes people label as such are the ones I like the most, because they include character development, setup for future juxtapositions, etc.   But this show seems to be legitimately guilty of filler plots.  Having that girl deny them the deus ex machina they need for their plan, only to allow them to have a heist subplot, only to ultimately have it fail and have her decide to give it to them was extremely contrived.*

Plus I'm tired of the whole, villain discloses their plan James Bond style and gives the heroes plenty of time to figure out how to respond to it, instead of just doing something.

*Note, that whole thing does have a character 'payoff', in that Flash is still a good guy when all else is lost, and the part with Snart telling Barry that is his strength (which presumably will have a payoff later), but it was still too contrived.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on May 18, 2017, 11:43:40 am
I thought the penultimate episode was good, idiot ball plot points aside. That may just be because I love captain cold. The season as a whole has been weak though. Also, I'll eat my hat if Iris is actually dead. Theres a lot of reasons to think that was actually HR getting stabbed. .

There are just so many side things that seem completely unnecessary.  I always find people complaining about 'filler' episodes in discussion forums and such, and usually it seems like complaining for the sake of complaining, and I find the kinds of episodes people label as such are the ones I like the most, because they include character development, setup for future juxtapositions, etc.   But this show seems to be legitimately guilty of filler plots.  Having that girl deny them the deus ex machina they need for their plan, only to allow them to have a heist subplot, only to ultimately have it fail and have her decide to give it to them was extremely contrived.*

Plus I'm tired of the whole, villain discloses their plan James Bond style and gives the heroes plenty of time to figure out how to respond to it, instead of just doing something.

*Note, that whole thing does have a character 'payoff', in that Flash is still a good guy when all else is lost, and the part with Snart telling Barry that is his strength (which presumably will have a payoff later), but it was still too contrived.

That girl was Lyra, from Arrow.

I think all of that was an excuse to include King Shark and the Jaws joke plus the Wonder Woman Easter egg.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: jonts26 on May 18, 2017, 11:53:44 am
The flash is never going to have "good" storytelling with tight plotting and whatnot. It's just not that type of show. It can have fun storytelling. Snarts over the top ridiculous scenery chewing is fun. And as long as you're having fun it covers a lot of plot holes, idiot plots, unnecessary side plots, and inconsistencies. This season for the most part has forgotten to be fun so all the storytelling problems that it's always had are a lot more visible.

And there's still time for the speedforce gun to have plot relevance. It does seem fairly useless otherwise. It could be something like the running around bit while Barry was firing it to have time for HR and Iris to switcheroo. Then they retool the gun to account for whatever reason it didn't work. Though that seems like a fairly boring resolution.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 18, 2017, 12:03:48 pm
The flash is never going to have "good" storytelling with tight plotting and whatnot. It's just not that type of show. It can have fun storytelling. Snarts over the top ridiculous scenery chewing is fun. And as long as you're having fun it covers a lot of plot holes, idiot plots, unnecessary side plots, and inconsistencies. This season for the most part has forgotten to be fun so all the storytelling problems that it's always had are a lot more visible.

And there's still time for the speedforce gun to have plot relevance. It does seem fairly useless otherwise. It could be something like the running around bit while Barry was firing it to have time for HR and Iris to switcheroo. Then they retool the gun to account for whatever reason it didn't work. Though that seems like a fairly boring resolution.

The showdown would have been more impressive if Barry or someone had absconded Iris to safety while Salvatar was avoiding the gun hits---which by the way was proven to be completely unnecessary 30 seconds later; he could have just stayed there and taken the hit.  Instead it's like, Barry is just far enough away to not be able to get to Iris in time, just to add a phony sense of drama.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: jonts26 on May 18, 2017, 12:12:13 pm
If anyone on the show did the most reasonable thing in any situation there wouldn't be a much of a show. I mean they just told us Argus had a metahuman power dampener that is confirmed to work on speedsters and immediately talk about where to hide Iris. I dunno how about there?

But like I said these sorts of plot issues are nothing new for the flash.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: eHalcyon on May 18, 2017, 07:28:27 pm
I watched the entire first season. I dropped it halfway through S02e01.

I also like the concept. I like the idea of eight different people who are all totally different and good at different things, but all work together and help each other out. There was this one scene where the lesbain hacker girl tries to escape, and is helped out first by the korean fighting women, then the cop guy, and then the bus driver. That's kind of inherently cool.

But the finale was really weak. They had the odds stacked against them and just had enough luck at each step to pull through anyway. What kind of stakes are supposed to be left after that? It's pretty clear that the show isn't willing to let anyone die. It is, on the other hand, quite willing to have some of them kill lots of other people, and pretty much gives them all a moral pass.

I'm also increasingly frustrated with the gay actor guy's story line. The beginning of his arc is great, where his publicly held girlfriend finds out and you think okay she's going to be mad and stuff and instead she's super into it. Then she messes up, but takes responsibility for it, as she should. But his BF breaking up with him and he trying to commit suicide and failing I thought was super lame. And the german guy is worse, he's just an awful person (and murderer), and the other just continue to support him without questioning whether they really should, which comes back to the moral issues.


Hmm, I don't remember much of Lito's plot in season 1, but his relationship with Hernando is still solid in season 2 FWIW.  I don't know that the group really supports Wolfgang.  He's the most removed from the rest of the group in that he rarely asks for help in his day-to-day stuff.  The others don't outright condemn him because (1) it's pretty tough to condemn somebody who is basically a part of you and (2) I think their connection affords them greater insight into why he is the way he is and why he does the things he does.  Yeah he does some horrible things, but the others naturally understand his POV, and people rarely see themselves as villains of the story.

I don't think death needs to be on the table for there to be dramatic stakes.  There are plenty of other things to be concerned about and invested in.  But even if you need the possibility of death, I never got the sense that any of the characters have plot armor.  None have died yet, but I don't feel like any of their survival is guaranteed.  Not sure why you got that feeling.

But I dunno.  If it's not for you, it's not for you. :)
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Post by: silverspawn on May 19, 2017, 03:42:14 am
Hmm, I don't remember much of Lito's plot in season 1, but his relationship with Hernando is still solid in season 2 FWIW.
Yeah, they choose to suffer the other consequences, which are making his orientation public knowledge.

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I don't know that the group really supports Wolfgang.  He's the most removed from the rest of the group in that he rarely asks for help in his day-to-day stuff.  The others don't outright condemn him because (1) it's pretty tough to condemn somebody who is basically a part of you and (2) I think their connection affords them greater insight into why he is the way he is and why he does the things he does.  Yeah he does some horrible things, but the others naturally understand his POV, and people rarely see themselves as villains of the story.

If that's a thing, it's a season 2 thing. In season 1 they support him pretty unquestioningly. In fact, the gay guy saves his life once, and the indian woman saves his life at another moment, and there's really not a mention of "is helping him actually a good idea?"

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I don't think death needs to be on the table for there to be dramatic stakes.  There are plenty of other things to be concerned about and invested in.
I think you can make a fine story without the fear of death being a thing, but the show is really trying to make us fear for them by putting their life at supposed risk, and for the final third of season 1 at least it was failing.

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I never got the sense that any of the characters have plot armor.
uh, I have no idea how you couldn't get that feeling!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 21, 2017, 12:13:59 pm
Today is the day!  For Twin Peaks.  I don't technically have access to Showtime, though.  It looks like I can add it to my Hulu; does anyone have Showtime on Hulu?  Do you know if you can watch shows at the same airing time as regular Showtime network?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on May 21, 2017, 06:48:09 pm
So seven episodes of 12 Monkeys just showed up over the weekend. I haven't looked at any of them other than to determine they are season 3. Normally, shows have a weekly format. To show seven first-run episodes in a weekend is unorthodox. Is this the final season, and they're just releasing it to get it out to its fans?

I suppose the Syfy website might provide some answers. Thought I'd pose the question and see if anyone knew.
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Post by: Witherweaver on May 21, 2017, 08:54:40 pm
So seven episodes of 12 Monkeys just showed up over the weekend. I haven't looked at any of them other than to determine they are season 3. Normally, shows have a weekly format. To show seven first-run episodes in a weekend is unorthodox. Is this the final season, and they're just releasing it to get it out to its fans?

I suppose the Syfy website might provide some answers. Thought I'd pose the question and see if anyone knew.

I've watched the first four.  They're releasing the entire third season over this weekend (three or so episodes a day). 

I'm not sure why they're doing it.  My bet is just a decision from scheduling people at the network.  I kind of like weekly airings because it gives time to think about stuff, read up on other people's ideas, etc.  Also something to look forward to.  But, binging is fun too.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on May 21, 2017, 11:43:25 pm
So seven episodes of 12 Monkeys just showed up over the weekend. I haven't looked at any of them other than to determine they are season 3. Normally, shows have a weekly format. To show seven first-run episodes in a weekend is unorthodox. Is this the final season, and they're just releasing it to get it out to its fans?

I suppose the Syfy website might provide some answers. Thought I'd pose the question and see if anyone knew.

I've watched the first four.  They're releasing the entire third season over this weekend (three or so episodes a day). 

I'm not sure why they're doing it.  My bet is just a decision from scheduling people at the network.  I kind of like weekly airings because it gives time to think about stuff, read up on other people's ideas, etc.  Also something to look forward to.  But, binging is fun too.

So my next question is, "How is it?" You didn't say that your eyeballs melted, so that's a good sign so far.

I felt the second season was starting to get a bit muddled. Not enough to give up on it obviously.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 22, 2017, 09:07:33 am
It's entertaining.  Doesn't get less muddled, though.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on May 22, 2017, 09:32:47 am
So, uh.. Twin Peaks premier.  First four episodes came out last night, and then it's weekly (after an absence next week).

Watched all four last night... wow.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 05, 2017, 10:20:08 am
So Leftovers finished last night with an absolutely amazing finale.  I wasn't crying, it was just raining on my face.
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Post by: ashersky on June 05, 2017, 11:20:25 am
I guess we never got to the Flash finale.

Like, the episode was fine most of the way through.  I know the self-sacrifice ending got scorched by just about every reviewer, but it didn't offend me.  I mean, we all know he'll be back out in an episode or two anyway.

I think the biggest issue is just that it was so forgettable as an episode.  Let's kill him with love...no wait, Iris can shoot him.  What?  We get to return to grumpy Wells, which is cool, and I assume Jessie Quick will find an excuse to return to our Earth soon enough.  Kid Flash will come into his own as well.

I haven't finished Supergirl or Arrow yet, those episodes are just sitting there to watch.
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Post by: Loempiaverkoper on June 05, 2017, 12:40:00 pm
So, uh.. Twin Peaks premier.  First four episodes came out last night, and then it's weekly (after an absence next week).

Watched all four last night... wow.

Yeah this was so great. I watched the original a couple of years ago and so far they are doing a great job living up to it. So creative, throwing all these artsy special effects in your face (like modern stuff mixed with 80s camera tricks). Good thing all these 4 came out at once. The first two seemed a bit crammed full with to much too weird shit in a row, but it is starting to get into a nice pace. So funny how much of Dale came back after that single sip of coffee.

American Gods felt a lot more dull after Twin Peaks got back on my mind.
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Post by: Robz888 on June 05, 2017, 03:09:34 pm
Anybody else catch the series finale of The Leftovers?
The part where Nora unties the goat and transfers the beads to her own neck made me lose it, for some reason.

It's going down in history as one of my all-time favorite shows. Perhaps number one, even.

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 06, 2017, 10:43:15 am
Anybody else catch the series finale of The Leftovers?
The part where Nora unties the goat and transfers the beads to her own neck made me lose it, for some reason.

It's going down in history as one of my all-time favorite shows. Perhaps number one, even.


So Leftovers finished last night with an absolutely amazing finale.  I wasn't crying, it was just raining on my face.

Some specifics about the finale.. so some of this is my reaction to things other people have said on other sites, but I don't post in those other places so I'll talk about it here.

First, I think some people are missing the point.  Similar to Inception, the part of the end that is ambiguous is not the point of the ending. We don't know whether Nora is telling the truth about her experience or not, and we also don't know whether it actually occurred or not.  (This could have been some hallucination/delusion that she came to regard as the truth.)  It doesn't so much matter what actually happened.  What does matter is that:

1. Kevin chooses to believe her.  Now of all the people in the world, Kevin is most predisposed to believe such a supernatural story, based on his experiences.  But a lot has happened since then, and for all we know he may have come to the conclusion that his experiences 15--20 years prior were delusions that occurred whenever he was close to dying.  Regardless, Kevin will pay any price to get Nora back , so he's going to accept this story no matter what. 

2. There is a deeper significance to the story.  When they last met, Kevin had said some harmful things to Nora that were not untrue: she could not get past her children Departing.  She had to come to terms with it herself, in some way.  For her to come out and say that she got in the machine, changed her mind right at the end, and then decided to go into hiding does not provide a story that justifies her coming to terms with anything; there isn't an arc or fundamental growth there.  The story she gave, however---even if not true---shows that she was able to get past this.  The story involved pain, suffering, a journey, and  we know (from the stories we read and watch)  that these are the necessary things for a character to grow.

By telling this story, Nora tells Kevin that she has changed, that she can start looking at a new life instead of obsessing over her past suffering.  This is also represented, I think, by the goat and the beads, where she takes the beads from the goat (she never really accepted her guilt and suffering before, she just found ways to avoid it), and then unburdened them on the paper towel holder.  Someone on Reddit had pointed out that the paper towels had specific meaning as symbolic of her family Departing; I believe they were shown on the empty table. 

Also, whether literally true or figurative, it shows that Nora has changed.  She has a way---even if it's just a story---to accept what happened and move on.  One could argue that her making up the story shows more growth: it means she has accepted the fact of life that we do not always have the answers, but we still need to continue on.  The stories we tell ourselves helps us make sense of the world.

3. Worth pointing out that Kevin tries this---telling a story as a way to get them to accept what happened and move on, start new---and Nora rejects it ("it isn't real").    This makes me think that she decides to tell this story after the events of the previous night, with the goat and unburdening.  One could also interpret this to mean that Nora is not making this story up, because she values the truth more than anything (beautifully ambiguous, this show is), but I actually think that's the weaker of the two interpretations, because it doesn't show her character growth.

4. It is actually important that we do not know whether this story is true or not, because Kevin does not know.  He has to decide whether he thinks she's telling the truth or not, or if it in fact does not matter to him.  By putting us in exactly the same position, we are made to experience Kevin's experience---we can put ourselves in his shoes, which makes the show more immersive. 

This is all, I think, masterfully done but not exactly subtle.  They brought the Season 2 opening song ("Let the Mystery Be") back for this episode, and the conversation with the nun addresses it ("it's just the nicer story").  Everything that happened at the wedding was symbolic---a story---and we got to see how they weren't true.  The pigeons did not carry messages throughout the world; they have a range of 50 meters and are trained to come back.  Nora is even involved in this story (funny with the very serious "I don't lie" response from earlier).  The scapegoat does not go out into the desert to die with their sins (or whatever it was), just walked away into the hills. 


A few other things I really enjoyed about the finale or series in general:

1. There was a great throwback to the goat sacrifice from Season 2, which I had actually forgotten until someone brought it up, and Kevin's delivery was perfect.

2. The characters in this show are really their own beings, separate from the actors or specifics of television.  This is displayed very well through subtle things.  For example, in Season 2, Epsiode 9 (International Assassin), Kevin is talking with Virgil in the car, and Kevin is explaining about how people are trying to kill him, and Virgil responds, "oh", as in "well that makes sense."  And Kevin responds with an incredulous, "Oh?!".  In Season 3, Episode 1, the exact same interaction happens between him and John, when Kevin tells John that Matt is writing this book, expecting John to be shocked, and John responds with the "oh".  Again Kevin responds in exactly the same way, with the same kind of disbelief.  It is a subtle thing to make this character have such consistent mannerisms.

3. The arc from the premier to finale of this season was great.  The huge "what the hell is going on?" moment of the premier, which actually made my skin tingle and left me sitting speechless, had no elaborate complicated explanation.  It was simply the story some years later.  Showing the exact same scene in the finale, this time without the music, brings home one of the main points of the show: we provide the meaning to experiences.  There were so many things that the scene in Episode 1 could have meant, and it spun off all kinds of theories.  In the end there was simply an answer, and the answer was mundane.

That's enough for now, I guess.  There is so much going on (well, that went on) with this show and so much to like.  I think it really was a masterpiece. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Robz888 on June 06, 2017, 12:31:58 pm
Beautiful thoughts!

I agree about Nora's story... we have plenty of reason to doubt it, and it being a lie would make sense thematically, given the conversation with the nun. But of course Kevin is going to believe it, he has every reason to believe it. He has been to the underworld and back--or, at least, to a world that seemed totally really to him, even if he knows it isn't.

I feel like The Leftovers was really an opportunity for Damon Lindelof to continue the themes of Lost: the paramount importance of connecting with people, living for the moment vs. unraveling the impossible mysteries of existence, redemption, etc. (Lindelof even brought back alternate realities, purgatory, and electromagnetic devices.) People were so frustrated with Lost for failing to answer their questions, but I really feel like that just *is* Lindelof's storytelling philosophy: people are lost and confused and broken, and they need each other more than they need *the answers.*

Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 09, 2017, 01:22:27 pm
Anyone following Fargo?  Ray Wise (Leland Palmer from Twin Peaks) makes an appearance on this week's  episode, and it's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on June 09, 2017, 03:13:36 pm
I struggled to do this, but I finally did it. I deleted my back episodes of the DC shows on the CW. I was between 30 to 40 episodes behind on those shows. I just wasn't getting that much enjoyment out of them in relation to how much time I have to watch shows. It's not a huge loss. I could watch them on Netflix later, though finding where I left off could be a pain.

It did reduce my DVR from 78% full to 47% full.

I have too many shows that interest me that seem like they would pay off better than the shows I just deleted. I still need to begin or catch up on Santa Clarita Diet, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Chuck, Iron Fist, Sense8, Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt, Man in the High Castle, House of Cards, Dexter, Bojack Horseman, Fargo, Hannibal, Black Mirror, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Travellers, and Doctor Who.

Well, damn, that list makes me despair. That's not including shows that I am caught up on and just waiting for the next episode/season like American Gods, Better Call Saul, Preacher, Legion, and whatever else.

Hmm, I did save up my Gotham season 3, but I may delete that too. I'm mildly curious since the Penguin's story got a little more interesting with his lost family. I'll hang onto it for now.

But deleting all those episodes was a little scary to a hoarder like me.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: crax on June 10, 2017, 01:23:39 pm
I struggled to do this, but I finally did it. I deleted my back episodes of the DC shows on the CW. I was between 30 to 40 episodes behind on those shows. I just wasn't getting that much enjoyment out of them in relation to how much time I have to watch shows. It's not a huge loss. I could watch them on Netflix later, though finding where I left off could be a pain.

It did reduce my DVR from 78% full to 47% full.

I have too many shows that interest me that seem like they would pay off better than the shows I just deleted. I still need to begin or catch up on Santa Clarita Diet, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Chuck, Iron Fist, Sense8, Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt, Man in the High Castle, House of Cards, Dexter, Bojack Horseman, Fargo, Hannibal, Black Mirror, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Travellers, and Doctor Who.

Well, damn, that list makes me despair. That's not including shows that I am caught up on and just waiting for the next episode/season like American Gods, Better Call Saul, Preacher, Legion, and whatever else.

Hmm, I did save up my Gotham season 3, but I may delete that too. I'm mildly curious since the Penguin's story got a little more interesting with his lost family. I'll hang onto it for now.

But deleting all those episodes was a little scary to a hoarder like me.
Congratulations clearing those episodes out! Getting rid of things, especially things that you've put intention into, is really hard.

I would say don't watch Doctor Who, if you're planning to watch the most recent season. I like it more than the previous season (I've watched up to episode 6) but I still don't think it's worth it to make it a priority. Of course, this is me just not liking Moffat's writing without Russel T. Davies. Capaldi is a fine actor, but Doctor Who just kind of disappoints me a at this point. Not to mention the common themes of suicide (The Doctor encourages people to kill themselves a few times) that didn't make me so happy, (having loved ones who almost passed that way). It's also not finished yet, and I find I get distracted by other shows and stop watching the current one while I'm between episodes.
Sense8, A Series of Unfortunate Events, and Black Mirror I really enjoyed, though. Black Mirror doesn't have many episodes (though they are long) and only has the one season. They aren't planning to make more as far as I know, so that's something you can watch and then be done with. It has lots of societal themes/subtle-ish commentary, and a great dark humor, which I personally love. I'm always there for the stuff that makes you think and also scares you a little.
Sense8 can be confusing and there area few episodes/aspects I don't like, but I still love it. It's a Netflix Original, so all of the episodes come out at once, which is nice. Same with A Series of Unfortunate Events. I'm never seen a better cinematic adaption of literature before. I recognize exact phrases, hardly anything is added (and what is added is clearly what the author was thinking already) and hardly anything is omitted. The feeling you get from it is so similar to the books. The actors are amazing and fit the style of the story so well. It's not your typical TV show, but that's part of what makes it great.

Imo, don't bother with Doctor Who, and definitely watch Black Mirror. Good luck fitting all these TV shows in!
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on June 14, 2017, 07:24:04 pm
It always amazes me just how much good TV exists out there. Absolutely no reason to watch something you don't enjoy. Of the things on your list I can personally say Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt, Fargo (seasons 1 and 2 anyways, gave up in mid season 3), Black Mirror and Bojack Horseman. Iron Fist is worth putting off if you're not a Marvel completionist. The others I either haven't seen or don't think my opinion is complete enough to express.

Enjoy watching!

Has anyone seen the Leftovers? A friend of mine was gushing about it, but I don't know much about it.
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Post by: Robz888 on June 15, 2017, 11:25:09 am
It always amazes me just how much good TV exists out there. Absolutely no reason to watch something you don't enjoy. Of the things on your list I can personally say Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt, Fargo (seasons 1 and 2 anyways, gave up in mid season 3), Black Mirror and Bojack Horseman. Iron Fist is worth putting off if you're not a Marvel completionist. The others I either haven't seen or don't think my opinion is complete enough to express.

Enjoy watching!

Has anyone seen the Leftovers? A friend of mine was gushing about it, but I don't know much about it.

WW and I were talking earlier in this thread about the Leftovers, which just had it's series finale. It's one my favorite shows of all time, you should definitely check it out. Be warned, though: the first season is relentlessly bleak, right up until the end, and then the bleakness is all worth it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 15, 2017, 11:30:50 am
It's basically the best show ever made.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 16, 2017, 12:03:42 am
Preacher Season 2 looks like it's going to be fantastic. 

Also, been catching up on Better Call Saul.  Episode 5 was (the bar committee hearing one) was really great.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 16, 2017, 08:22:01 am
Preacher Season 2 looks like it's going to be fantastic. 

Also, been catching up on Better Call Saul.  Episode 5 was (the bar committee hearing one) was really great.

Yeah, Better Call Saul has some really engaging episodes. And you wouldn't think it would be since the subject is mostly lawyers (sorry, Theory). Throwing in spoiler tags in case someone is watching this without having seen Breaking Bad.

But what makes the show great is that it isn't about the lawyering business. It's about compelling characters who are lawyers. And anyone who's seen Breaking Bad knows that Saul is a shifty son of a bitch, so part of the enjoyment is watching him transform from an attempt to go legitimate to being an accomplice to drug cartels. 

And of course there's the Gustav/Mike relationship, which you already know about from Breaking Bad.

I think what's going to be heartbreaking is watching Nacho try to stop Hector because I only remember one of those characters being in Breaking Bad, which spells terrible news for the other. Really, this can apply to Kim, Charles, and Howard, though they are more likely to be out of Saul's life rather than get killed (but I'm not ruling anything out).
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Post by: pingpongsam on June 16, 2017, 10:57:15 am
Preacher Season 2 looks like it's going to be fantastic. 

Also, been catching up on Better Call Saul.  Episode 5 was (the bar committee hearing one) was really great.

Yeah, Better Call Saul has some really engaging episodes. And you wouldn't think it would be since the subject is mostly lawyers (sorry, Theory). Throwing in spoiler tags in case someone is watching this without having seen Breaking Bad.

But what makes the show great is that it isn't about the lawyering business. It's about compelling characters who are lawyers. And anyone who's seen Breaking Bad knows that Saul is a shifty son of a bitch, so part of the enjoyment is watching him transform from an attempt to go legitimate to being an accomplice to drug cartels. 

And of course there's the Gustav/Mike relationship, which you already know about from Breaking Bad.

I think what's going to be heartbreaking is watching Nacho try to stop Hector because I only remember one of those characters being in Breaking Bad, which spells terrible news for the other. Really, this can apply to Kim, Charles, and Howard, though they are more likely to be out of Saul's life rather than get killed (but I'm not ruling anything out).

Hector was in a wheelchair all of Breaking Bad. The big question is how did that come to pass?
I've often wondered what it would be like to watch all of Call Saul before ever watching any of Breaking Bad.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 16, 2017, 11:03:00 am
I think there would be a small loss of effect with watching Better Call Saul first.  There are a number of things that are callbacks and references.  Also, some of the shots/unveils utilize the audience knowing who the person is.  It may seem a little overdramatic if you don't know who Gus, Nacho, etc. are.  I think the show is done well enough that this would not take away much, though.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 16, 2017, 11:09:00 am
Was Nacho in Breaking Bad? I don't remember him. That means that his relationship with Hector would be really complex since I had assumed he was going to die.

I think it'd be interesting to see someone's take on watching Breaking Bad after Better Call Saul. Of course, BCS needs to conclude before that can truly happen. I guess it'd be like trying to see what happens when someone watches the Star Wars prequels first.
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Post by: pingpongsam on June 16, 2017, 11:15:28 am
Was Nacho in Breaking Bad?

Nope. Tuco is the main character in BB from that family.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 16, 2017, 11:16:06 am
Was Nacho in Breaking Bad? I don't remember him. That means that his relationship with Hector would be really complex since I had assumed he was going to die.

I think it'd be interesting to see someone's take on watching Breaking Bad after Better Call Saul. Of course, BCS needs to conclude before that can truly happen. I guess it'd be like trying to see what happens when someone watches the Star Wars prequels first.

Oh, I had thought he appeared briefly in the beginning.  But, the list of people.  The point is there are very dedicated nods and reveals.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 16, 2017, 11:22:12 am
Was Nacho in Breaking Bad?

Nope. Tuco is the main character in BB from that family.

Krazy 8 is another (more minor) one.  Though arguably Hector is the more major one.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on June 21, 2017, 10:51:32 am
Finished up the third season of Better Call Saul.

Some pretty good plot points. From Breaking Bad, you already know some characters will live. I initially thought that Nacho would have to be killed, but if Gus is aware of him, he may possibly offer him a retirement plan. Just because he's not in Breaking Bad doesn't mean that he has to die.

They ended the season with a fairly big cliffhanger. Annoying as usual. I do hope that they don't wimp out and spare Chuck at the last minute. These shows had some balls, and it would be uncharacteristic to back down now, but that happens in many shows.

And if they do kill off Chuck, I suppose they've been working to make use not feel as bad for him. It was bad enough that he was unsupportive of Jimmy going into law, but then they slapped on an admission that Jimmy didn't mean anything at all. This felt out of place to me.

Part of the fun is really watching how Jimmy schemes and accomplishes his tasks. Even when he's being slimy, you can't help but root him on. The recent arc where he screws over Irene but then regrets it was quite moving. I figured out what he had to do to set things right, though I didn't expect him to go that big. Great character story there.

So now I must wait for season 4. On a bright note, two-hour premiere of Preacher this week.
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Post by: drsteelhammer on June 23, 2017, 09:29:55 am
Regarding the BCS finale:

I don't think the cliffhanger is a cliffhanger. The screenplay has been super good so far, and that wouldn't fit at all into that.

And if they do kill off Chuck, I suppose they've been working to make use not feel as bad for him. It was bad enough that he was unsupportive of Jimmy going into law, but then they slapped on an admission that Jimmy didn't mean anything at all. This felt out of place to me.


I don't think I can agree with you here. Firstly, the admission was probably a lie? The flashback at the beginning (that's been referenced in their earlier conversation) aswell as his breakdown afterwards support that.

Secondly, I can sympathize much more with Chuck here. As it turns out, Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy the whole time. Perfectly reasonable not wanting someone like him in his firm considering his past (and present). And now Jimmy is even partly the reason he got fired (Chuck losing not only his family but his career, too?). 
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 23, 2017, 09:41:51 am
Oh man, I think what's going on there is more subtle and deep than may be apparent at first glance.

There are some interesting discussions and analysis on the reddit board regarding the episode. 

I thought the finale was great; the show has been top notch so far.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 23, 2017, 11:13:43 am
There are definitely some questions about what kind of lawyer Jimmy could've been if he had the full support of his brother. His sketchy past was worthy of concern certainly, but he really showed initiative by getting his degree under the radar.

So if Chuck had voted to hire Jimmy into the firm, would Jimmy be a different person? He would have been brought into the structured environment early on and not been forced to rely on shyster tactics. Would he have pulled the same stunts at HHM that he did with the other firm? It's possible.

There's an interesting cause-and-effect dilemma going on here. Jimmy's past caused Chuck to not trust him. Chuck's refusal to trust Jimmy may have put Jimmy in a position where he has to bullshit his way through everything. Jimmy has a big heart; he may have bullshitted anyway in order to help someone less fortunate.

I do think that is a cliffhanger because they showed an event (Chuck knocking the lamp over) but left the result hanging until the next season (did he live, or did he die?). If it follows the usual tropes, it's obviously going to be the former, but Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul has not always been big on following tropes. I think this qualifies as cliffhanging for that reason.
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Post by: Robz888 on June 24, 2017, 07:14:43 pm
As much as I love Chuck, and think the actor is just doing tremendous work, I hope they don't chicken out and spare him. It would sort of cheapen what happened.

In any case, I think he's probably dead.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 26, 2017, 09:45:04 am
Best Reddit comment regarding last night's Twin Peaks (do not read if you watch the show (or intend to) but are not caught up):

Just as I predicted last week: evil Coop gets shot but then homeless ghosts revive him, then a nuclear bomb explodes for 20 minutes while the giant watches the current episode of Twin Peaks and levitates, while meanwhile sixty years ago zombie Abraham Lincoln goes on a murder rampage before he lulls everyone to sleep so that a mutant bug can crawl into a girls mouth. I still like the show and all, but sometimes I get a little annoyed that it's so predictable.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on June 30, 2017, 07:42:28 pm
People watching Precher?  Season 2 is really fun so far.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Kuildeous on July 02, 2017, 03:37:26 pm
Yeah, I'm digging Preacher. I've not read the source material, so I cannot whine about canon. That may make it more enjoyable.

The Saint of Killers is a helluva antagonist, so it'll be interesting to see how this gets resolved.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 02, 2017, 10:02:32 pm
Yeah, I'm digging Preacher. I've not read the source material, so I cannot whine about canon. That may make it more enjoyable.

The Saint of Killers is a helluva antagonist, so it'll be interesting to see how this gets resolved.

There is a lot that is not cannon, but they are really capturing a lot of the essence of the comics, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: pingpongsam on July 04, 2017, 09:10:04 am
GLOW was good, watching the documentary now.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: mcmcsalot on July 05, 2017, 11:25:31 am
I guess we never got to the Flash finale.

Like, the episode was fine most of the way through.  I know the self-sacrifice ending got scorched by just about every reviewer, but it didn't offend me.  I mean, we all know he'll be back out in an episode or two anyway.

I think the biggest issue is just that it was so forgettable as an episode.  Let's kill him with love...no wait, Iris can shoot him.  What?  We get to return to grumpy Wells, which is cool, and I assume Jessie Quick will find an excuse to return to our Earth soon enough.  Kid Flash will come into his own as well.

I haven't finished Supergirl or Arrow yet, those episodes are just sitting there to watch.

Yea I felt similarly. I was really hoping they were going to stick with the whole "lets turn him good" plan. I wanted iris to step up and find an earth where barry died at a young age and therefor the iris of that earth would have no barry and so savitar barry could go be that worlds flash
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Witherweaver on July 05, 2017, 12:50:07 pm
Also, Fargo season 3.  I guess we haven't talked about it much here.  The acting this season was incredibly good. Well, it's always good, but I was particularly impressed by some of the performances. 
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Jorbles on July 08, 2017, 01:34:51 pm
GLOW was good, watching the documentary now.

Loved GLOW, great balance of comedy and drama, smart scripts, good acting, weird subject matter, would recommend it to anyone.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on July 08, 2017, 04:17:42 pm
I guess we never got to the Flash finale.

Like, the episode was fine most of the way through.  I know the self-sacrifice ending got scorched by just about every reviewer, but it didn't offend me.  I mean, we all know he'll be back out in an episode or two anyway.

I think the biggest issue is just that it was so forgettable as an episode.  Let's kill him with love...no wait, Iris can shoot him.  What?  We get to return to grumpy Wells, which is cool, and I assume Jessie Quick will find an excuse to return to our Earth soon enough.  Kid Flash will come into his own as well.

I haven't finished Supergirl or Arrow yet, those episodes are just sitting there to watch.

Yea I felt similarly. I was really hoping they were going to stick with the whole "lets turn him good" plan. I wanted iris to step up and find an earth where barry died at a young age and therefor the iris of that earth would have no barry and so savitar barry could go be that worlds flash

Arrow finale was much better, I have to say.

I'm tempted to only buy crossover episodes of Supergirl from now on.  That show is getting unwatchable.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: crax on July 09, 2017, 01:29:39 pm
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on July 09, 2017, 03:23:51 pm
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: crax on July 09, 2017, 04:33:55 pm
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
it might also be more of a regular show. Moral dilemmas have been exhausted, and just focusing on Oliver's journey would get repetitive (if it isn't already) and boring. I'm looking forward to seeing the family dynamic with rene's daughter, if he still has a chance at custody. that is, if he's still alive. do you think the writers killed off any people?
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on July 10, 2017, 01:25:53 am
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
it might also be more of a regular show. Moral dilemmas have been exhausted, and just focusing on Oliver's journey would get repetitive (if it isn't already) and boring. I'm looking forward to seeing the family dynamic with rene's daughter, if he still has a chance at custody. that is, if he's still alive. do you think the writers killed off any people?

For sure a few are dead, as actors have confirmed they aren't returning.

Malcolm is gone for sure, except possible time travel stuff with the Legends.  Slade is dead, right?  From the good guys, new Canary is for sure alive, and you know the show requires Dig and Felicity.

I think Oliver's kid's mom is dead, giving the show full custody of the son.  Then the show can play up the "can Oliver be mayor, a dad, Felicity's bf, and the Green Arrow all at once?" thing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: mcmcsalot on July 10, 2017, 08:37:13 am
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
it might also be more of a regular show. Moral dilemmas have been exhausted, and just focusing on Oliver's journey would get repetitive (if it isn't already) and boring. I'm looking forward to seeing the family dynamic with rene's daughter, if he still has a chance at custody. that is, if he's still alive. do you think the writers killed off any people?

For sure a few are dead, as actors have confirmed they aren't returning.

Malcolm is gone for sure, except possible time travel stuff with the Legends.  Slade is dead, right?  From the good guys, new Canary is for sure alive, and you know the show requires Dig and Felicity.

I think Oliver's kid's mom is dead, giving the show full custody of the son.  Then the show can play up the "can Oliver be mayor, a dad, Felicity's bf, and the Green Arrow all at once?" thing.


I could not believe they got the actor that played slade to come back, in sure he won't be in any more. I agree that olivers kid mom is dead, though it worries me how much father/son father/daughter time the show is going to have with Ollie and Rene caring for their children. I also doubt they drop the Rene storyline as I think it's one of the higher point of the show in recent times. I could see them doing flashbacks to when Oliver was a child and paring lessons he learned as a kid with lessons he is trying to teach his own kid but god I hope they don't do that.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on July 10, 2017, 08:42:28 am
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
it might also be more of a regular show. Moral dilemmas have been exhausted, and just focusing on Oliver's journey would get repetitive (if it isn't already) and boring. I'm looking forward to seeing the family dynamic with rene's daughter, if he still has a chance at custody. that is, if he's still alive. do you think the writers killed off any people?

For sure a few are dead, as actors have confirmed they aren't returning.

Malcolm is gone for sure, except possible time travel stuff with the Legends.  Slade is dead, right?  From the good guys, new Canary is for sure alive, and you know the show requires Dig and Felicity.

I think Oliver's kid's mom is dead, giving the show full custody of the son.  Then the show can play up the "can Oliver be mayor, a dad, Felicity's bf, and the Green Arrow all at once?" thing.


I could not believe they got the actor that played slade to come back, in sure he won't be in any more. I agree that olivers kid mom is dead, though it worries me how much father/son father/daughter time the show is going to have with Ollie and Rene caring for their children. I also doubt they drop the Rene storyline as I think it's one of the higher point of the show in recent times. I could see them doing flashbacks to when Oliver was a child and paring lessons he learned as a kid with lessons he is trying to teach his own kid but god I hope they don't do that.

If any of the main crew are dead, I think it's Mr. Terrific.  They already made him get a divorce, and he's sort of redundant as tech support if Felicity is back in full.  I really like him, though, so that'll be sad.

I think Evelyn or whatever her name is died, too.

So we're looking at Team Arrow + Ollie's son, Rene's daughter, and Dig's daughter.  They might have a bunker day care or something. 

I hope they can convince Speedy to come back.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: crax on July 10, 2017, 11:05:03 am
Arrow was great, but he was only gone for 5 years, so how are they going to format the 6th season?

Well, hopefully the flashbacks are done.  I assume it'll be more of a regular format moving forward.
it might also be more of a regular show. Moral dilemmas have been exhausted, and just focusing on Oliver's journey would get repetitive (if it isn't already) and boring. I'm looking forward to seeing the family dynamic with rene's daughter, if he still has a chance at custody. that is, if he's still alive. do you think the writers killed off any people?

For sure a few are dead, as actors have confirmed they aren't returning.

Malcolm is gone for sure, except possible time travel stuff with the Legends.  Slade is dead, right?  From the good guys, new Canary is for sure alive, and you know the show requires Dig and Felicity.

I think Oliver's kid's mom is dead, giving the show full custody of the son.  Then the show can play up the "can Oliver be mayor, a dad, Felicity's bf, and the Green Arrow all at once?" thing.


I could not believe they got the actor that played slade to come back, in sure he won't be in any more. I agree that olivers kid mom is dead, though it worries me how much father/son father/daughter time the show is going to have with Ollie and Rene caring for their children. I also doubt they drop the Rene storyline as I think it's one of the higher point of the show in recent times. I could see them doing flashbacks to when Oliver was a child and paring lessons he learned as a kid with lessons he is trying to teach his own kid but god I hope they don't do that.

If any of the main crew are dead, I think it's Mr. Terrific.  They already made him get a divorce, and he's sort of redundant as tech support if Felicity is back in full.  I really like him, though, so that'll be sad.

I think Evelyn or whatever her name is died, too.

So we're looking at Team Arrow + Ollie's son, Rene's daughter, and Dig's daughter.  They might have a bunker day care or something. 

I hope they can convince Speedy to come back.

I hope we get her back, too. Near the end of the season they seemed to be starting a new character arc for Thea, one that was focused on her relationship/similarities to her parents. This could likely spark a personal redemption cycle for her in the way of being a vigilante again, as it has been for other characters, and also goes well with the new family dynamic(s) that will be introduced.
Though that could mean that she stays on the outside so there are more ways to explore the parenting stuff, especially as the only comparison to their mother has been with Thea. Moira's influence was very separate from vigilante-ing.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on July 11, 2017, 06:02:05 am
You guys are being too kind with the spoiler bars lol.

Protecting the one lost soul who would still be interested in getting into a comic book adaptation that portraits, without irony, a middle aged man shooting arrows at bad guys.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: mcmcsalot on July 11, 2017, 08:20:20 am
You guys are being too kind with the spoiler bars lol.

Protecting the one lost soul who would still be interested in getting into a comic book adaptation that portraits, without irony, a middle aged man shooting arrows at bad guys.
He was dead the whole time.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: ashersky on July 11, 2017, 09:12:00 am
You guys are being too kind with the spoiler bars lol.

Protecting the one lost soul who would still be interested in getting into a comic book adaptation that portraits, without irony, a middle aged man shooting arrows at bad guys.

As opposed to the comic book that portrays a middle aged man who dresses up as a bat and speaks with a gravely voice?  Or the comic book that portrays a middle aged man dressing up in a robot suit and shooting lasers?

I'm not sure I get your point.  All comic books are (generally) absurd.  That's why we like them.
Title: Re: TV shows
Post by: Loempiaverkoper on July 11, 2017, 11:11:39 am
I'm not sure I get your point.