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Title: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: pingpongsam on September 16, 2014, 09:32:43 pm
I am pretty clear the snarky "sorry about that" on every good move is bad form despite the fact most assholes are doing it and most players are apparently assholes.

But what about end game? When I have the win I take the shortest route to victory, not play out my entire hand and try to clear all their minions and create the largest possible negative face. Seems most of the assholes do this and most players are apparently assholes.

It dissuades me from wanting to continue playing because I don't tend to play with assholes IRL (out of context thread material).

I am assuming the assholes are carry overs from WoW which I never played. Am I overly sensitive? At least I can concede and not have to wait out a final megawank turn. Squelch doesn't seem to last very long so I have no good remedy for the snarks.

Comments?
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Hydrad on September 16, 2014, 10:37:55 pm
I am pretty clear the snarky "sorry about that" on every good move is bad form despite the fact most assholes are doing it and most players are apparently assholes.

But what about end game? When I have the win I take the shortest route to victory, not play out my entire hand and try to clear all their minions and create the largest possible negative face. Seems most of the assholes do this and most players are apparently assholes.

It dissuades me from wanting to continue playing because I don't tend to play with assholes IRL (out of context thread material).

I am assuming the assholes are carry overs from WoW which I never played. Am I overly sensitive? At least I can concede and not have to wait out a final megawank turn. Squelch doesn't seem to last very long so I have no good remedy for the snarks.

Comments?

I sometimes concede especially if they have been taunting me the whole game.

But i don't always. Sometimes i have that quest for playing 40 spells or something so i'm really just trying to finish that quest by playing spells at the end of the game.

So i view it on a game per game basis. And ya if you don't want to wait for it I would say go ahead and leave.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: blueblimp on September 16, 2014, 10:55:55 pm
There is literally no behaviour that will be universally perceived as polite by your opponent.

Example 1: Some players consider it polite to greet at the beginning of a game. Some players consider it impolite to "Greetings" then play a Flame Imp.

Example 2: Some players consider it BM to hit for exact lethal when unnecessary. Some players consider it BM to hit for maximum lethal.

Example 3: Some players consider it polite to show what was in their hand at the end of the game (to satisfy their opponent's curiosity about what was in there). Some players consider it impolite to not finish the final turn as fast as possible.

If you have a thin skin, just get in the habit of squelching at the beginning of each game. That's what I do when I'm feeling sensitive. I don't know what you mean when you say that squelch doesn't last very long. It always lasts for the duration of the game.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Twistedarcher on September 16, 2014, 11:04:13 pm
It definitely varies, but here's what I find rude/not rude:

If you have lethal, take that turn to do as much damage / kill as many minions / play as many spells as possible. I'm fine with that, as long as they end that turn. When someone's ahead but doesn't win, just to keep clearly the board, I'll get pissed and resign (I've never run into this situation though).

I very rarely use the "sorry" emote, and only think it's really appropriate for extremely lucky top decking / unlucky mad bomber etc. / obvious misplays -- I would get frustrated by someone using it multiple times over and over. Once again though I haven't really run into this.

The one that gets me is people saying "thanks" after a win. Other than that, I haven't experienced any real problems with getting frustrated over people's emotes.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Ichimaru Gin on September 17, 2014, 01:15:13 am
I am most irritated by people who are obviously drawing out the game when they could have won. And those who go for the maximum face/play a bunch of unneccesary cards for finishing turn.

I haven't run into anyone who taunts all the time, although there are a few that spam a few sorrys every now and then, which is annoying.

I do try to kill people with exact damage if possible, but that's ocd, not me trying to be an asshole (at least for me). Along these lines though, I remember reading that some players were angry about the lack of in-game chat--but I feel that was a brilliant design decision on the dev's part. Especially due to the dueling nature of the game (e.g. you don't have a team to communicate with or anything), chat wouldn't really have any strategic value and would just be used by people to troll even worse. This makes Hearthstone about the most relaxing game that I play online against strangers. Trolls can really harm player experience, and I am sure that Blizzard factored that into their decision to cut chat. So yeah, there's stuff people do that annoys me, but it's about 99% less annoying to me than pretty much any other online game.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Awaclus on September 17, 2014, 05:06:46 am
I would normally consider making more moves than you need in order to win on the last turn rude, but it's different in Hearthstone because it's possible that my opponent's trying to complete a quest that requires him to play more minions or something. I just concede when it starts taking more time than I find reasonable. "Sorry"s are usually annoying because it's obvious that my opponent is actually not sorry at all, unless it's something like being away for a few turns and then emoting sorry when you get back.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: pingpongsam on September 17, 2014, 09:15:26 am
Squelching is definitely not lasting the duration of the game for me (ipad).

Another troll emote is saying oops after every play. True not all emoting is trolling and I had never considered that someone was doing me the courtesy of revealing their final hand contents.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: theory on September 17, 2014, 09:57:37 am
Someone on reddit was complaining that when he emoted "Well Played" and the other person responded "Thank You", he thought they were mocking him.  You can't satisfy everyone even with an unlimited range of responses (see, e.g., Decline of Civility), so it's obviously much worse with a limited range of responses.

That being said, I usually emote Well Played to my opponent when he's winning.  I emote Sorry when something stupid in my favor happens like Mad Bomber/topdeck, and I emote Oops when I screw up something bad/RNG really has it out for me.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: ycz6 on September 17, 2014, 11:37:25 pm
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10317.msg339577#msg339577
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Lekkit on September 19, 2014, 04:33:34 am
Compared to some guy shouting random insults in very bad English in your ear, Hearthstone feels very mannered. The only thing that really gets me is if someone spams emotes all the time. But that is fortunately easily remedied.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: WalrusMcFishSr on September 19, 2014, 11:11:13 am
Yesterday an opponent Alexstraza'd me from 14 life to 15. We spent the rest of the match saying "Thank you" back and forth. It reminded me of those Looney Tunes with the overly polite gophers.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: blueblimp on September 19, 2014, 02:33:49 pm
Yesterday an opponent Alexstraza'd me from 14 life to 15. We spent the rest of the match saying "Thank you" back and forth. It reminded me of those Looney Tunes with the overly polite gophers.
I think I've had a "Well met" ping-pong match before.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: ashersky on September 21, 2014, 03:24:24 am
This one is for all of you:

I had maybe 4 minions on the board, facing two of his, and with ~17 life left.  He was up around 25 or more.  Druid.  I'm playing Secret Mage, and I've got two 5/5 ethereals out, along with a mirror image KotG and a 2/3 Mana Wyrm.

Anyway, it's turn 9 and he does the Druid combo.  Pops Force of Nature + Savage Roar.  It's game over, right?  Except...so I have a secret, and I guess it could be Ice Block.  Anyway, he finds a way to get me to 1 life, and I figure he's just being safe in case of Ice Block.  Then he rams his 7/5 Ancient of Lore...into an Ethereal.  Turn over, I have one life.

So he was being a rude person.

Next turn, Ice Block, kill his only minion, go to face.  Ethereals grow.

He's thinking whatevs, goes hero power to the face, trigger immunity.  So then he drops the 4/6 taunt and a Spectral Knight.

I've got plenty of lethal on the ground now.  Poly the taunt, freezebolt his face, hero power his face, then hit him with minions to finish him off.

That's why you don't leave opponents alive just to be mean.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: KingZog3 on October 07, 2014, 11:41:23 am
What happened to me trumps all your bad manners problems. Sometimes random people add me as a friend. I usually accept. Generally we talk for a bit, or play some games. One guy added me because he doesn't have many people to play with, and I said I'm cool to play anytime.

However, one guy added me yesterday simply to tell me that I shouldn't be at rank 19 (I didn't play much last season), that I had legendaries and how Blizzard needs to fix things. Then he unfriended me. I laughed, but it was so rude to do that.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: EgorK on October 08, 2014, 05:14:05 am
What happened to me trumps all your bad manners problems. Sometimes random people add me as a friend. I usually accept. Generally we talk for a bit, or play some games. One guy added me because he doesn't have many people to play with, and I said I'm cool to play anytime.

However, one guy added me yesterday simply to tell me that I shouldn't be at rank 19 (I didn't play much last season), that I had legendaries and how Blizzard needs to fix things. Then he unfriended me. I laughed, but it was so rude to do that.

You are really at luck. I stopped to accept friend request from recent games after couple of people told me how I should die horribly as I am lucky
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: markusin on October 08, 2014, 08:19:09 am
What happened to me trumps all your bad manners problems. Sometimes random people add me as a friend. I usually accept. Generally we talk for a bit, or play some games. One guy added me because he doesn't have many people to play with, and I said I'm cool to play anytime.

However, one guy added me yesterday simply to tell me that I shouldn't be at rank 19 (I didn't play much last season), that I had legendaries and how Blizzard needs to fix things. Then he unfriended me. I laughed, but it was so rude to do that.

You are really at luck. I stopped to accept friend request from recent games after couple of people told me how I should die horribly as I am lucky
I was never accepting friend requests from random opponents. Now I wonder what they had to say.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Awaclus on October 08, 2014, 09:28:37 am
I have never had friend requests from random opponents  :'(
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: ashersky on November 11, 2014, 09:33:45 pm
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: KingZog3 on November 11, 2014, 09:56:34 pm
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.

Squelch him? So what if he's sorry. He'll learn fast not to be sorry for just putting very taunt minion in his deck.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: blueblimp on November 11, 2014, 11:53:23 pm
I just squelch automatically at the beginning of every game now. The way I see it is: there's no way I'm going to play _better_ because my opponent is emoting. The most I can hope for is to mentally minimize the distraction experienced from the emotes. I might as well just block them and not be distracted at all.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: ashersky on November 12, 2014, 12:05:07 am
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.

Squelch him? So what if he's sorry. He'll learn fast not to be sorry for just putting very taunt minion in his deck.

I wasn't bothered.  I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: KingZog3 on November 12, 2014, 01:43:04 am
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.

Squelch him? So what if he's sorry. He'll learn fast not to be sorry for just putting very taunt minion in his deck.

I wasn't bothered.  I thought it was funny.

I actually see this a lot. People apologizing out of nowhere. Like, you know I have spells in my hand right? Not just the minions on the board. My hex beats your Rag bruh.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Tombolo on November 14, 2014, 07:07:04 am
What I don't get are the people who say "thank you" or "greetings" fifty times over the course of the match.  I greeted you back the first couple times, so what are you trying to communicate?
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: pingpongsam on November 14, 2014, 07:54:59 am
What I don't get are the people who say "thank you" or "greetings" fifty times over the course of the match.  I greeted you back the first couple times, so what are you trying to communicate?

They want you know what twits they are; apparently they are proud of it. The policy that has worked best for me is to never, ever emote. Usually, if you have never emoted the other guy never continues and those that do would have anyway.
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: blueblimp on November 14, 2014, 08:29:24 am
What I don't get are the people who say "thank you" or "greetings" fifty times over the course of the match.  I greeted you back the first couple times, so what are you trying to communicate?
I once had an amusing emote exchange playing paladin vs a priest, where we would ping pong "well met" and "well played".
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Witherweaver on November 14, 2014, 01:17:32 pm
I am pretty clear the snarky "sorry about that" on every good move is bad form despite the fact most assholes are doing it and most players are apparently assholes.

But what about end game? When I have the win I take the shortest route to victory, not play out my entire hand and try to clear all their minions and create the largest possible negative face. Seems most of the assholes do this and most players are apparently assholes.

It dissuades me from wanting to continue playing because I don't tend to play with assholes IRL (out of context thread material).

I am assuming the assholes are carry overs from WoW which I never played. Am I overly sensitive? At least I can concede and not have to wait out a final megawank turn. Squelch doesn't seem to last very long so I have no good remedy for the snarks.

Comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVSlE28hOgI
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: Twistedarcher on November 14, 2014, 01:52:12 pm
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.

I know I'll say "sorry" if I'm on another screen when my turn starts -- it's possible that this is what happened. For me, I don't know if the other person's been waiting 30 seconds or 2 minutes, but maybe it comes across the way you see it?
Title: Re: Hearthstone Etiquette
Post by: ashersky on November 15, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
Playing my normal Pirate Warrior today for quests, faced a druid in ranked.  I'm doing well, have board presence and he's just hero powering along...

On My T4, I have a Southsea Captain (3/3) and drop a Kokron Elite (4/3).  7 to face against an empty board.  On his T4, he drops a Sen'jin.  I mean, cool, fine.

So now, on my T5, he emotes the "sorry about that" thing, I guess rubbing it in that he's dropped a...Senjin?  I mean, it trades favorably, but it's T5.

So I play an Arcanite Reaper, kill the Sen'jin, and continue on.

He dropped DotC in Taunt mode on T5, which I took out with a Whirlwind + Arcanite, added a Dread Corsair to the board.  On T6 he dropped the Sunwalker, which I used my minions to destroy, then dropped Leeroy + Heroic Strike on the Axe for lethal.

Don't say "sorry about that" on T4 with a Sen'jin.

I know I'll say "sorry" if I'm on another screen when my turn starts -- it's possible that this is what happened. For me, I don't know if the other person's been waiting 30 seconds or 2 minutes, but maybe it comes across the way you see it?

His play speed was fine and consistent.  And he said it at the start of my turn.  Eh, obviously it doesn't matter, it was just humorous to me.