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Title: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 13, 2014, 08:10:44 pm
I'm pretty interested in film. I'll be starting an animation degree in september, and recently have been watching some movies an really watching the directing, colour choices and composition. After I watched Drive (amazing movie), I watched Only God Forgives, which is Nicolas Winding Refn's movie made after Drive.

EDIT: Also, if anyone else has good recommendations for movies or wants to talk about a movie in depth (or less in depth), feel free to post about those movies. Just keep things in spoilers so that people who haven't seen it can watch before reading.

I was wondering, firstly, if there are any other people here who really enjoy movies (I know people do) and are interested in things like directing, cinematography and writing in films? And secondly if anyone else has seen Only God Forgives and what did they think of it? I really enjoyed it, but I know it got mixed reviews, and some people really hated it, or really liked it. It's definitely more of an artistic film, not meant as a blockbuster.

I'll put what I thought in spoilers as not to ruin anyone who is going to watch it. And don't read it if you haven't seen it. It's meaningless if you haven't seen the movie. If you are going to watch it, just know that there is gore and violence. Drive was just over the top gore, and not too much of it. OGF is really messed up. It's not easy stuff to handle, just so you're warned.

Without question, the directing, colour choices and pacing are all great. The movie is not meant to be fast paced, and I found many of the scenes suspenseful and extremely tense. The lack of dialogue is one thing that is really interesting. Drive also had little dialogue, but this was taken to another level with OGF. So much about the main character Julian is told without words through things he does, and the "visions" he has about himself. His presumably incestual relationship with his mother, his inability to form normal connections with other people, or to have a normal sexual relationship. These are shown by the way he acts, and the way he see's himself in his visions. This is one point where I thought the movie was weak. The "visions" certain characters have are not well distinguished from the reality in the movie making it a little difficult to tell the difference at first. I'll have to watch it again sometime, since now I'm aware of what was real or not. I'll come back to this when I do. Perhaps I'll have a little more to say.

Another really strong point of the film was the music. I think it's the same writer for the music as in Drive? I'm not sure I'll have to look it up. But both Drive and OGF have great scores. The interesting thing in OGF is the Thai karaoke singing. I had to look it up, since it appears multiple times in the movie. Apparently it's an almost religious experience in Thailand, and a big part of the culture. I think if I had known that while watching it would have made more of an impact, since it's the ex-cop (God) who is singing at the karaoke bar. I'll have to watch it again with this knowledge.

The movie is pretty heavy on symbolism, the main one being hands, which there are a lots of shots of. While watching it's really hard to tell what the meaning of the hands are. My analysis is this. I think they represent the motives of the characters, in a sense. Or their ambitions. Early in the movie Julian raises his hands in a fighting pose next to the martial arts statue, believing himself a fighter, someone of strength. When he fights the ex-cop he raises his hands to fight, while the cop does not, showing both of their intentions. Julian is ready to fight, the cop has no intention of hurting him. Only after thoroughly beating Julian does the cop raise his hands, showing that now he is angry, ready to fight Julian and his mother, who has witnessed the fight. We also get shots of the same statue, showing who really the statue is representing. At the end of the movie, when Julian finds his mother dead, he puts his hand inside her stomach, presumably her womb. He feels the need to undo what he has done, to be reborn again. At the end, the cop cuts off Julian's hands, which is fulfilling his rebirth. Julian accepted losing his hands, finally finding peace with himself. There's more to this I'm sure, as there are other scenes where hands seem to be on important.

Anyway, those are mostly first impressions. I watched the movie a couple days ago, so I had some time to think about it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on August 13, 2014, 08:52:59 pm
I tried watching Nicolas Winding Refn's Valhalla Rising a few years ago, but it was a bit too much for me to handle at that age. It seemed like a pretty powerful movie though, both aesthetically and thematically, maybe I should give his works another try.

A movie that has recently intrigued me a lot is M dot Strange's Heart String Marionette. It's... intriguing. I would like to say that it's my favorite movie, but I still don't understand it well enough to be sure. Definitely recommend it, though it should be noted that you might have to watch it at least twice before it starts making any sense.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 14, 2014, 12:41:21 am
My mom worked part time for 3 video stores from the late 80s to the early-mid 90s. I worked for Hollywood Video from 1999-2001. I worked for General Cinemas from 2001-2002. I worked for Blockbuster from 2002-2003. I worked for Loews (then AMC) from 2004-2007. I've worked for Atlas Cinemas from 2007-now. One might say I enjoy movies.

My entire college/university education is in civil engineering.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 01:14:18 am
My mom worked part time for 3 video stores from the late 80s to the early-mid 90s. I worked for Hollywood Video from 1999-2001. I worked for General Cinemas from 2001-2002. I worked for Blockbuster from 2002-2003. I worked for Loews (then AMC) from 2004-2007. I've worked for Atlas Cinemas from 2007-now. One might say I enjoy movies.

My entire college/university education is in civil engineering.

Well then mr. movie man, got any good ones I should see?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 14, 2014, 02:01:49 am
Guardians of the Galaxy.

Honestly though, I enjoy movies enough to understand that a lot of what I like is not what movie snobs consider artistic. I also know that most of those artistic films, while great in structure and story, don't need a 30-60 foot wide screen to make their point.

I think Avatar was grossly overrated, but everything it did was done with style most appreciated in the experience of a cinema.

I think Christopher Nolan, M. Night Shamalanadingdong, and Michael Bay think THEY are why people see their movies, and shove it in your face that you are watching one of their movies every chance they get.

I immensely enjoy the recent Marvel Studios franchise.

I am a huge Disney fan. From the parks to the animation to the decision to bring Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm under the mouse ears.

I think the AFI lists are good starting points for quality content connoisseurs. I think the IMDB top 250 is a good starting point for those wanting a taste of American Blockbusters.

So what do I suggest you see? It depends on what you like. If you like Guy Ritchie, watch Snatch. If you like Kubrick, watch Dr Strangelove. If you like Spielburg, watch Raiders of the Lost Ark. If you like James Cameron, watch Abyss.

Give me a clue and I can help find something you enjoy. And if you enjoy anything, watch The Room.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Davio on August 14, 2014, 04:14:41 am
I enjoy a wide variety of movies.

From the ancient IMDB top dogs like Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon and 12 Angry Men to 00's action pulp like Transformers.
I even watched 7 Samurai on DVD which has a fifteen minute break burned into the movie. Out of respect I decided to take that break and grab some popcorn. It's over 3 hours long, so that break was much appreciated.

I don't watch that many movies lately, but I tend to watch the superhero ones, because if you want a guaranteed box office hit, just make Batman 12 or Superman 7. I'm still waiting for Aquaman with Vincent Chase as the lead.

I'm not particularly snobbish about the movies I watch and like. I like James Bond and Disney movies (especially the old ones), sometimes a romantic comedy with the Mrs or a good documentary.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 10:23:37 am
Guardians of the Galaxy.

Honestly though, I enjoy movies enough to understand that a lot of what I like is not what movie snobs consider artistic. I also know that most of those artistic films, while great in structure and story, don't need a 30-60 foot wide screen to make their point.

I think Avatar was grossly overrated, but everything it did was done with style most appreciated in the experience of a cinema.

I think Christopher Nolan, M. Night Shamalanadingdong, and Michael Bay think THEY are why people see their movies, and shove it in your face that you are watching one of their movies every chance they get.

I immensely enjoy the recent Marvel Studios franchise.

I am a huge Disney fan. From the parks to the animation to the decision to bring Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm under the mouse ears.

I think the AFI lists are good starting points for quality content connoisseurs. I think the IMDB top 250 is a good starting point for those wanting a taste of American Blockbusters.

So what do I suggest you see? It depends on what you like. If you like Guy Ritchie, watch Snatch. If you like Kubrick, watch Dr Strangelove. If you like Spielburg, watch Raiders of the Lost Ark. If you like James Cameron, watch Abyss.

Give me a clue and I can help find something you enjoy. And if you enjoy anything, watch The Room.

I do enjoy a lot of movies too. The marvel superhero movies are really fun to watch. Snatch is one of my favourite movies, as is Lock, Stock, and Two Smocking Barrels. I enjoy good writing, probably above other things, but really I want to watch pretty much anything that people think is good. I've seen some Kubrick (Clockwork Orange and Space Odyssey). Seen a lot of Tarantino. I mean, anything really, just I have no ideas of what to watch on my own. I'm not snobbish either about movies, I enjoy thinking about them though, and Marvel movies, while really entertaining (could watch wolverine beat up everyone 5 times over), are't really thought provoking.

I enjoy a wide variety of movies.

From the ancient IMDB top dogs like Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon and 12 Angry Men to 00's action pulp like Transformers.
I even watched 7 Samurai on DVD which has a fifteen minute break burned into the movie. Out of respect I decided to take that break and grab some popcorn. It's over 3 hours long, so that break was much appreciated.

I don't watch that many movies lately, but I tend to watch the superhero ones, because if you want a guaranteed box office hit, just make Batman 12 or Superman 7. I'm still waiting for Aquaman with Vincent Chase as the lead.

I'm not particularly snobbish about the movies I watch and like. I like James Bond and Disney movies (especially the old ones), sometimes a romantic comedy with the Mrs or a good documentary.

12 Angry men is good. I read the play too. And the revamped Aquaman is really cool, I agree he needs a movie :P.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2014, 10:31:07 am
Mulholland Drive!

And everything Lynch.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jack Rudd on August 14, 2014, 10:42:33 am
Nine of my film recommendations, in a handy Alignment Chart for reference:

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Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 10:45:56 am
12 angry men, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, uh don't know it, nope, no, don't recognise it, can't recognise it. Title's please?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2014, 11:06:57 am
Is Chaotic Evil Hard Candy?

Nuetral Good is Shawshank Redemption,
Chaotic Good is Les Miserables
Lawful Evil is The Professional (so awesome)

True Neutral looks like Natalie Portman.. but not sure which one
Is Neutral Evil Johnny Dangerously?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2014, 11:11:22 am
The Natalie Portman one is Beautiful Girls (I looked it up).  Still not sure on the other Neutrals.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Lekkit on August 14, 2014, 12:16:19 pm
Neutral Evil is Bugsy Malone.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: LastFootnote on August 14, 2014, 12:19:41 pm
I don't know the movie, but the quote is a pretty crappy Lawful Neutral. It's way more Neutral Good.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 14, 2014, 01:26:39 pm
I recommend buffing your movies with Sunfury Protector.  Everyone will go see them after that.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: jsh357 on August 14, 2014, 01:38:03 pm
I'm not a buff.  I get bored of most arty/intellectual movies too easily, have to be really committed to get through them.

Am also a big fan of Disney, like many here.  They get a bad rap, especially by people who are offended by stereotypes and can't look past them, which makes me feel bad since I have so many great memories associated with those movies.

I am not a fan of superhero movies, and never was from the beginning of the trend.  Some of them have been good (guardians of the Galaxy was great) but I'm never excited to go see them anymore.  I feel like action scenes have lost 100% of their appeal to me over the years.

My favorite films are:
The Princess Bride (the only movie that gets better every time I watch it somehow), Seven Samurai, The Good/The Bad/& The Ugly, Back to the Future, The Lego Movie, Mean Girls (I know this should be a 'guilty pleasure' but I do actually think it's fantastic), Gran Torino, ParaNorman, Pulp Fiction, and Toy Story.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: theory on August 14, 2014, 01:44:51 pm
I recommend buffing your movies with Sunfury Protector.  Everyone will go see them after that.

Most movie theaters I go to have a strict policy of silence, so I'm not sure how effective Sunfury Protector will be.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on August 14, 2014, 01:47:59 pm
I'm not a movie buff, but I did just go see Boyhood. It was good.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 01:55:30 pm
I feel like action scenes have lost 100% of their appeal to me over the years.

Most hollywood action I find boring too. Just seeing a big explosion isn't satisfying, which is why the expendables movies are terrible and not even "entertaining terrible".

I'm not super into crazy arty movies either. I've seen Salvador Dali's movie, which is mostly random sequences of images, but it didn't do anything for me. But some movies really are made in a way that's different than major movies. The pacing, the dialogue, the characters and/or the directing and composition are unique. Tarantino often makes his movies with shots that you don't normally see. Inglorious Basterds had a lot of prolonged shots, which is unusual to see anymore as most shots last about 1-5 second maybe. Music is also a big thing for me, and I can't stand movies that just rehash the usual suspects of music styles. It's one of the reasons I like Guy Ritchie's movies a lot, besides Sherlock Holmes. His music choice is fantastic, and often based on the characters. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly also has a similar approach, with a melody based on each character.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on August 14, 2014, 02:41:21 pm
Having a musical theme for each character is something a billion TV shows and movies do though, don't they ? NOt saying it's bad, but it's hardly unusual.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2014, 02:47:10 pm
Having a musical theme for each character is something a billion TV shows and movies do though, don't they ? NOt saying it's bad, but it's hardly unusual.

Best use of this ever is Twin Peaks.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jack Rudd on August 14, 2014, 06:55:36 pm
Twelve Angry Men, Shawshank Redemption, Les Miserables
Imagine Me And You, Beautiful Girls, Rent
Leon, Bugsy Malone, Hard Candy
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: mail-mi on August 14, 2014, 07:42:28 pm
The Lego Movie
best movie ever
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: scott_pilgrim on August 14, 2014, 08:08:17 pm
Unsurprisingly, my favorite movie is Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.  I don't know anything about art, but Scott Pilgrim has a pretty unique visual style, so you might be interested in it if you haven't seen it already.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 14, 2014, 08:13:44 pm
I couldn't get into it. I felt the pacing was terrible. As for the characters, apparently you needed to already know the characters before seeing the movie. I'm pretty sure that pink haired girl was, well easy. With that in mind, I couldn't see her ex's as evil but rather as unfortunate.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 09:39:19 pm
Unsurprisingly, my favorite movie is Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.  I don't know anything about art, but Scott Pilgrim has a pretty unique visual style, so you might be interested in it if you haven't seen it already.

I watch SP vs. the world with my now ex. She loved it, I really didn't like it. I wasn't a fan of the comic book style, which is a similar reason I didn't like Kill Bill. I also don't really like movies that falsify how people act. I mean yeah, it's stylized and cartoonish, but none of the people in the movie say or do anything that is really how people act. I just had a hard time believing in the unbelievableness.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 14, 2014, 11:05:27 pm
My train of thought:  Scott Pilgrim vs. the World -> Kieran Culkin -> Igby Goes Down -> Everyone should watch Igby Goes Down
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on August 14, 2014, 11:19:07 pm
All films Kurosawa.  Dreams for the artsy, Yojimbo for the westerns, The Hidden Fortress for the Star Wars buffs.

Casablanca is the most overrated film of all time.  That and The Princess Bride.  They are the Titanics of Titanics.

Ghibli is great, too.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 14, 2014, 11:35:31 pm
It's been so long since I've seen the Princess Bride. I know the book is funny though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: LastFootnote on August 14, 2014, 11:47:44 pm
I think The Big Lebowski is probably the finest film I've seen. The Truman Show is a close second. The Princess Bride was a childhood favorite, and I still enjoy it. I agree that book is also fun.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: 2.71828..... on August 15, 2014, 07:39:21 am
It's been so long since I've seen the Princess Bride. I know the book is funny though.

well, you should probably watch it again in that case.  It is just so good. 

But the same as jsh, I am way to casual of a movie watcher to enjoy the "arty/intellectual" movies.  I am a big fan of the whole Marvel series, and absolutely loved the Lego Movie.  Another fun movie that no one else has mentioned yet: Pitch Perfect.  The first time I saw it was with a bunch of friends and I had pretty low expectations.  But I surprised myself and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 15, 2014, 02:15:38 pm
All films Kurosawa.  Dreams for the artsy, Yojimbo for the westerns, The Hidden Fortress for the Star Wars buffs.

Casablanca is the most overrated film of all time.  That and The Princess Bride.  They are the Titanics of Titanics.

Ghibli is great, too.

The Princess Bride is overrated??!

You are dead to me.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on August 15, 2014, 02:23:06 pm
I read the book for The Princess Bride before the movie.

The book is so, so much better. I can see why people like it if they haven't read the book, but it really pales in comparison. That's probably true for most books turned movies though, with the exception of Jaws perhaps.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: jsh357 on August 15, 2014, 02:26:05 pm
I disagree, I think the movie is better overall, though I do respect the style the book is written in.  The actors added a lot to the characters for me.  Plus the author worked on the screenplay anyway, so it was adapted very well.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 15, 2014, 02:30:11 pm
I read the book for The Princess Bride before the movie.

The book is so, so much better. I can see why people like it if they haven't read the book, but it really pales in comparison. That's probably true for most books turned movies though, with the exception of Jaws perhaps.

I heard the book Contact was not any good, though I (as well as the person that said that book was poor) really enjoyed the movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on August 15, 2014, 02:32:30 pm
I'm not saying the movie is bad, but I really liked the backstory of Inigo and Fezzik that got cut out of the film. It's talked about a bit, but all the details are gone. The framing device in the movie is less intrusive, I'm ambivalent between the two of those.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 15, 2014, 02:47:51 pm
I read the book for The Princess Bride before the movie.

The book is so, so much better. I can see why people like it if they haven't read the book, but it really pales in comparison. That's probably true for most books turned movies though, with the exception of Jaws perhaps.

I heard the book Contact was not any good, though I (as well as the person that said that book was poor) really enjoyed the movie.

The book was much better than the movie, but the movie was still a damned good adaptation.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: theory on August 15, 2014, 02:59:11 pm
I prefer the book too, but The Princess Bride's movie adaptation was about as good as any movie adaptation could have been.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 15, 2014, 03:06:55 pm
I prefer the Lord of the Rings movies to the books. I find Tolkien saps all suspense from his writing.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 15, 2014, 03:07:26 pm
I prefer the Lord of the Rings movies to the books. I find Tolkien saps all suspense from his writing.

Eh, suspense is ....

overrated!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 15, 2014, 03:19:46 pm
Princess Bride is good, but it seems like everyone in my generation (young 20 somethings) thinks it's just the BEST EVAR and want to watch it all the time. Consequently, I've probably seen it more times than any other single movie besides The Emperor's New Groove (which is amazing).

I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

I think Avatar was grossly overrated, but everything it did was done with style most appreciated in the experience of a cinema.

I think Christopher Nolan, M. Night Shamalanadingdong, and Michael Bay think THEY are why people see their movies, and shove it in your face that you are watching one of their movies every chance they get.

Tron: Legacy was also a pretty bad movie, but it was quite an audio/visual cinematic experience. I think I've only watched it once since, but I saw that one 2-3 times in theater.

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it. M. Night used to be right (his first 4 major films are some of my absolute favorites) but since his most recent flops he hides his name as much as possible. Michael Bay is probably right for most people, but wrong for many who lament the success of the Transformers franchise. Although, I am tempted to cough up the cash to see the newest installment just to see Optimus Prime wielding a sword while riding a robotic T-Rex. Because that's pretty much what all of film history has been leading towards, right?

My favorite films are:
The Princess Bride (the only movie that gets better every time I watch it somehow), Seven Samurai, The Good/The Bad/& The Ugly, Back to the Future, The Lego Movie, Mean Girls (I know this should be a 'guilty pleasure' but I do actually think it's fantastic), Gran Torino, ParaNorman, Pulp Fiction, and Toy Story.

Gran Torino, that movie is really great but I tend to forget about it. Totally agree about Mean Girls (written by Tina Fey!), Lego Movie and Toy Story too, so good. Although imo in the Toy Story franchise each movie was better than the last.

Ghibli is great, too.

Yes.

Some of my favorites, stream-of-consciousness style: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; Rat Race; Shawshank Redemption; Gladiator; any of Shyamalan's first 4 movies, especially Signs; Fight Club; Les Miserables (musical); The King's Speech; 12 Years a Slave; Rear Window; Babette's Feast (look it up - really unusual but so beautiful); anything by Chris Nolan, especially Dark Knight, Inception, and Mememto (need to watch again); The Matrix; A Beautiful Mind; The Fault in Our Stars/A Walk to Remember (They're interchangeable, right?); A Knight's Tale (The better Princess Bride); Gravity (Largely for the physical stress it put you through in theaters); and Avatar: The Last Airbender (kidding...is anyone still reading?)

Also, I get really invested in movies so I usually hate leaving during a movie and can never fall asleep if one is on. But I couldn't get more than 35 minutes into Dr. Strangelove. I had heard all these great reviews but it just failed to deliver in a big way for the group I was watching with.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 15, 2014, 03:20:19 pm
I prefer the book too, but The Princess Bride's movie adaptation was about as good as any movie adaptation could have been.

Much like 2001, it's really helpful when the person writing the screenplay and the person writing the book are the same person.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 15, 2014, 03:22:52 pm
Princess Bride is good, but it seems like everyone in my generation (young 20 somethings) thinks it's just the BEST EVAR and want to watch it all the time.

As someone from the previous generation who feels the same way, and knows lots of people who feel the same way in this generation... I think perhaps that speaks to the staying power of the movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 15, 2014, 03:26:26 pm
Princess Bride is good, but it seems like everyone in my generation (young 20 somethings) thinks it's just the BEST EVAR and want to watch it all the time.

As someone from the previous generation who feels the same way, and knows lots of people who feel the same way in this generation... I think perhaps that speaks to the staying power of the movie.

It is good, yeah, and even timeless to a degree. But I don't think it's SO great. I'll watch it for a dozenth time, and I'll laugh, but let's tread some new ground. Maybe it gets brought up a lot because it's a sure crowd-pleaser.

Edit: and QUOTEABLE! This is probably the best thing about the movie. I haven't been to a wedding in the last ten years where someone hasn't said "Mawwiage...is what bwings us togevah...today..."
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on August 15, 2014, 03:29:03 pm
I prefer the Lord of the Rings movies to the books. I find Tolkien saps all suspense from his writing.
The reason why I prefer the movies is that Tolkien was going to write a sequel for a children's book and that's how he wrote the beginning, but then it got out of hand at some point and the result was suboptimal — it doesn't really hurt the story, but it hurts the experience. PJ, on the other hand, knew what he was going to direct, so the movies feel less separate. Silmarillion doesn't have this problem, it's exactly as massive as it is since the beginning (and neither does The Hobbit, but I prefer the movies anyway because I like the "bigger" approach).
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 15, 2014, 03:45:44 pm
Also, I get really invested in movies so I usually hate leaving during a movie and can never fall asleep if one is on. But I couldn't get more than 35 minutes into Dr. Strangelove. I had heard all these great reviews but it just failed to deliver in a big way for the group I was watching with.

Watch Drive. I'm interested to know if you find the pacing too slow. It's really well done though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 15, 2014, 03:53:20 pm
Also, I get really invested in movies so I usually hate leaving during a movie and can never fall asleep if one is on. But I couldn't get more than 35 minutes into Dr. Strangelove. I had heard all these great reviews but it just failed to deliver in a big way for the group I was watching with.

Watch Drive. I'm interested to know if you find the pacing too slow. It's really well done though.

I just IMDB'd this and I totally watched this last year! I didn't mind the pacing at all. This was not exactly what I was expecting, but I liked it a lot. Gosling's character was frustrating because he was so inscrutable, but that kinda fueled the intrigue. A very interesting watch. I was expecting straight-up action but got a much more introspective movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 15, 2014, 04:12:13 pm
Also, I get really invested in movies so I usually hate leaving during a movie and can never fall asleep if one is on. But I couldn't get more than 35 minutes into Dr. Strangelove. I had heard all these great reviews but it just failed to deliver in a big way for the group I was watching with.

Watch Drive. I'm interested to know if you find the pacing too slow. It's really well done though.

I just IMDB'd this and I totally watched this last year! I didn't mind the pacing at all. This was not exactly what I was expecting, but I liked it a lot. Gosling's character was frustrating because he was so inscrutable, but that kinda fueled the intrigue. A very interesting watch. I was expecting straight-up action but got a much more introspective movie.

In many scenes though you can see how he is thinking. When he is with his neighbour, those are the only times he smiles in the movie. The elevator scene also a cool change, where he rages at the hitman, but when he turns to the women, his expression becomes one of innocence, like there's these 2 sides to him.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Davio on August 16, 2014, 03:10:12 am
I prefer the Lord of the Rings movies to the books. I find Tolkien saps all suspense from his writing.
I tend to agree here.

The problem with the books is that Tolkien has a habit of scarcely mentioning characters and assuming you know who they are.
There are more minor characters than in Game of Thrones!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 16, 2014, 12:05:25 pm
I watched Pulp Fiction again last night with my mother. She didn't remember any of it. My conclusion is that I still really like it and her's was it was kind of weird and didn't need to see it again.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 16, 2014, 12:39:38 pm
I prefer the Lord of the Rings movies to the books. I find Tolkien saps all suspense from his writing.
I tend to agree here.

The problem with the books is that Tolkien has a habit of scarcely mentioning characters and assuming you know who they are.
There are more minor characters than in Game of Thrones!

Neither of those compare to Erikson.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: DG on August 16, 2014, 04:50:16 pm
Dr Strangelove gets better the more times you see it. I find that a lot of the old black and whites do live up to their reputation. If you catch them in the right mood they are still fantastic. As previously mentioned, the Coen Brothers and Tarantino have made plenty of good films, and in a similar vein Planet Terror is great if you want grindhouse comedy.

For some non-US films you could try Pan's Labyrinth, City of God, Run Lola Run, The cook the thief his wife and her lover, Brazil, and Braindead.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 16, 2014, 06:34:13 pm
I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

[...]

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it.
This makes me sad. Sure he has had a few good movies, but I can't justify the ones that are not good simply because his name is on it. Dark Knight, without Ledger, is an awful movie. I don't think Bale was the right choice for Batman. Memento was good, and Inception was creative.

The only Shyamalan films I enjoyed were Unbreakable and Signs. I thought that The Sixth Sense was too predictable and everything after Signs was terrible.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 16, 2014, 06:48:05 pm
I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

[...]

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it.
This makes me sad. Sure he has had a few good movies, but I can't justify the ones that are not good simply because his name is on it. Dark Knight, without Ledger, is an awful movie. I don't think Bale was the right choice for Batman. Memento was good, and Inception was creative.

Well ok, I'm not watching it because it has his name on it, but because I trust him as a director. I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was incredible, the defining superhero movies (or at least movie franchise) of our time. Ledger was unbelievable in that role, but I wholly disagree that it would have been awful without him. Bale is probably not my favorite choice for Batman, but he's a capable actor and I think he did well with it.

Inception was indeed creative but also very well-made. I need to watch the Prestige again but I remember being very impressed. His only other major movie as director is Insomnia, I believe, which was a long time ago. I haven't seen it.

I'm excited for Interstellar!

The only Shyamalan films I enjoyed were Unbreakable and Signs. I thought that The Sixth Sense was too predictable and everything after Signs was terrible.

Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me. I also loved The Village but I know that's a very contentious title. Since then, I liked Devil alright but it's generally all awful.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 16, 2014, 07:46:25 pm
I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

[...]

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it.
This makes me sad. Sure he has had a few good movies, but I can't justify the ones that are not good simply because his name is on it. Dark Knight, without Ledger, is an awful movie. I don't think Bale was the right choice for Batman. Memento was good, and Inception was creative.

Well ok, I'm not watching it because it has his name on it, but because I trust him as a director. I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was incredible, the defining superhero movies (or at least movie franchise) of our time. Ledger was unbelievable in that role, but I wholly disagree that it would have been awful without him. Bale is probably not my favorite choice for Batman, but he's a capable actor and I think he did well with it.

Inception was indeed creative but also very well-made. I need to watch the Prestige again but I remember being very impressed. His only other major movie as director is Insomnia, I believe, which was a long time ago. I haven't seen it.

Inception literally made no sense. The test for the map maker lady is to make a maze, but then he lets her try over and over again? She can't do it man, try someone else. Secret totem to know if you're in a dream or not, but he shows her his secret totem. What? I agree though the action was cool, especially the hallway fight, but otherwise it wasn't worth the hype in my opinion.

And the 3rd batman movie was terrible. I can accept crazy things for superhero movies, but when they try to make it somewhat realistic, the whole blow up every bridge, lock every cop underground at once, know where the secret R&D section of Wayne enterprise is and missiles not blowing up the truck with the nuke at the end kind of make me wonder why they tried to make it seem realistic when in reality they just want to make the most ridiculous plot that isn't even that good in comic book standards.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 16, 2014, 09:25:43 pm
First, I need to clarify there is a severe difference in a good movie, and an enjoyable movie. Things I like, may not be good.

I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

[...]

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it.
This makes me sad. Sure he has had a few good movies, but I can't justify the ones that are not good simply because his name is on it. Dark Knight, without Ledger, is an awful movie. I don't think Bale was the right choice for Batman. Memento was good, and Inception was creative.

Well ok, I'm not watching it because it has his name on it, but because I trust him as a director. I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was incredible, the defining superhero movies (or at least movie franchise) of our time. Ledger was unbelievable in that role, but I wholly disagree that it would have been awful without him. Bale is probably not my favorite choice for Batman, but he's a capable actor and I think he did well with it.

Inception was indeed creative but also very well-made. I need to watch the Prestige again but I remember being very impressed. His only other major movie as director is Insomnia, I believe, which was a long time ago. I haven't seen it.

Inception literally made no sense. The test for the map maker lady is to make a maze, but then he lets her try over and over again? She can't do it man, try someone else. Secret totem to know if you're in a dream or not, but he shows her his secret totem. What? I agree though the action was cool, especially the hallway fight, but otherwise it wasn't worth the hype in my opinion.

And the 3rd batman movie was terrible. I can accept crazy things for superhero movies, but when they try to make it somewhat realistic, the whole blow up every bridge, lock every cop underground at once, know where the secret R&D section of Wayne enterprise is and missiles not blowing up the truck with the nuke at the end kind of make me wonder why they tried to make it seem realistic when in reality they just want to make the most ridiculous plot that isn't even that good in comic book standards.
I can't tell if he's a Nolanite or a Nolanoid. Nolanoids tend to be a pain in the arse about Nolan movies...

Anyways. Batman Begins was good. It gave a new gritty feeling to the superhero movie. Dark Knight started off strong, but fizzled out so quickly, and I enjoy the movie. I should say, however, that nearly half of my viewings of TDK have ended after the hospital is destroyed. Rises, on the other hand, I did not feel drawn into at all. Bane was a weak villian, and the M Night twist was completely unnecessary and felt forced. Rises was the Cars 2 of Nolan's directing career.

Inception tried so hard to be clever that it just felt dull. I wanted to enjoy it. The concept was there and the cinematography was there, but the delivery and story were lacking in so many places. I am hoping Interstellar doesn't turn into Contact by Christopher Nolan.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 16, 2014, 10:04:50 pm
I'm kind of a wannabe film buff. I really like movies, but I haven't seen enough to consider myself an expert.

[...]

Christopher Nolan is so right, I'll watch anything with his name on it.
This makes me sad. Sure he has had a few good movies, but I can't justify the ones that are not good simply because his name is on it. Dark Knight, without Ledger, is an awful movie. I don't think Bale was the right choice for Batman. Memento was good, and Inception was creative.

Well ok, I'm not watching it because it has his name on it, but because I trust him as a director. I thought the Dark Knight trilogy was incredible, the defining superhero movies (or at least movie franchise) of our time. Ledger was unbelievable in that role, but I wholly disagree that it would have been awful without him. Bale is probably not my favorite choice for Batman, but he's a capable actor and I think he did well with it.

Inception was indeed creative but also very well-made. I need to watch the Prestige again but I remember being very impressed. His only other major movie as director is Insomnia, I believe, which was a long time ago. I haven't seen it.

Inception literally made no sense. The test for the map maker lady is to make a maze, but then he lets her try over and over again? She can't do it man, try someone else. Secret totem to know if you're in a dream or not, but he shows her his secret totem. What? I agree though the action was cool, especially the hallway fight, but otherwise it wasn't worth the hype in my opinion.

And the 3rd batman movie was terrible. I can accept crazy things for superhero movies, but when they try to make it somewhat realistic, the whole blow up every bridge, lock every cop underground at once, know where the secret R&D section of Wayne enterprise is and missiles not blowing up the truck with the nuke at the end kind of make me wonder why they tried to make it seem realistic when in reality they just want to make the most ridiculous plot that isn't even that good in comic book standards.

I think it's unfair to say Inception made "literally no sense," I think it had an approximately equal number of plot holes as any other similarly-themed movie. With the totem, my understanding was that he couldn't let anyone else touch it, not see it...anyway, that's beside the point. I loved it and I don't think that's like, an unreasonable opinion. Oh and I could listen to the soundtrack all day.

First, I need to clarify there is a severe difference in a good movie, and an enjoyable movie. Things I like, may not be good.

Wholeheartedly agree here. Similarly, objectively well-made movies don't always thrill me.

I can't tell if he's a Nolanite or a Nolanoid. Nolanoids tend to be a pain in the arse about Nolan movies...

I, uh, didn't realize I was either, maybe I need to join another forum somewhere to gush.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 16, 2014, 10:46:41 pm
I, uh, didn't realize I was either, maybe I need to join another forum somewhere to gush.
Try IMDb... The Nolanoids there are awful. Nolanites I can deal with, as they are just fans. Nolanoids are fanatics.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on August 16, 2014, 10:50:58 pm
I think my movie standards are a good deal lower, in that I'm more willing to accept silly plot if the action is nice, and I'm getting the impression that some point demand both.

In terms of plot and questions raised, I put Dark Knight > Batman Begins > Rises.
In terms of action, Rises > Dark Knight > Batman Begins, but Rises wins by a very small margin.

I liked Inception a lot, but I'm a fan of all things meta. There are definitely plot holes, ones which I noticed during the movie, plus the entire movie depends on requiring a kick in both the dream level and the level above it - which is entirely different from how the kick is explained, and how it works in the opening, and it's never even touched on, but that closes up some of the major holes. I saw the map-making test as a test of how fast she could pick things up instead of a test of existing skill, since it's not like many people have experience with his line of work.

As for movies that haven't been mentioned yet, I liked Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Adaptation is...weird, it's the kind of movie where you have to pick up on the clues before realizing how good it is, and I needed help on that part. There's a German film called The Lives of Others which is also very good
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 16, 2014, 11:08:03 pm
Inception is completely contained within a dream that he has while he is on a flight to visit his children. Now it has no plot holes.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 12:01:50 am
I can't tell if he's a Nolanite or a Nolanoid. Nolanoids tend to be a pain in the arse about Nolan movies...

I don't know about him, but I'm a Nolanate.  I have one more oxygen atom per ion than a Nolanite.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on August 17, 2014, 12:08:57 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: LastFootnote on August 17, 2014, 12:38:31 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

I felt clever when I figured it out halfway through the movie. There was just one awkward scene where I was like, "Oh, I get it."
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 17, 2014, 12:44:44 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

I was fortunate enough to see it before I knew, but it's everywhere, yeah. I also hate spoilers and love that movie so that's a very unfortunate situation. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 02:58:52 am
I figured it out by the second preview. Not that the story was bad, but the entire reveal of "hey I fooled you!" just seemed insulting to the audience.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 17, 2014, 04:00:07 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on August 17, 2014, 06:07:45 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 17, 2014, 11:03:19 am
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.

Dumbledore dies
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 12:03:03 pm
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.

Dumbledore dies

Snape is Keyser Soze.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on August 17, 2014, 12:54:00 pm
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.

Dumbledore dies

Snape is Keyser Soze.

Bruce Willis was a sledge all along

I think it would be better if I specified the movie I am spoiling: The Sixth Kane.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 01:28:26 pm
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.

Dumbledore dies
Would it be odd for me to say I've never seen a full HP movie?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: 2.71828..... on August 17, 2014, 01:31:26 pm
Unbreakable and Signs are terrific, but The Sixth Sense is amazing too! I am really bad at seeing things coming, though, even if it's predictable to others. So it works for me.

Is it even possible to watch the Sixth Sense without knowing the plot twist beforehand? I thought it was about as widespread a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father.

Dude. Spoiler tags.

Hehe, I knew someone would say this.

Dumbledore dies
Would it be odd for me to say I've never seen a full HP movie?
yes.  At least, it would be more odd than saying you have never seen a HP movie.  The specific movie doesn't make it odd, but I just don't get people who can only watch half a movie, or parts of a movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 01:44:49 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 01:48:01 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Eevee on August 17, 2014, 03:46:33 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.
So much better.

Can we talk about movies in general here? I just went to see guardians of the galaxy, how is this well liked? What am I missing? I'd give it maybe 3/10 and even that's generous and mostly due to a couple of excellent one-liners.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 04:24:07 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.
So much better.

Can we talk about movies in general here? I just went to see guardians of the galaxy, how is this well liked? What am I missing? I'd give it maybe 3/10 and even that's generous and mostly due to a couple of excellent one-liners.

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm just going to link this review:

http://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/guardians-of-the-galaxy-movie-review

Frankly, it just sounds... fun.  Which would be nice after all of the gritty reboots of everything.  I swear, soon enough we'll be seeing a gritty reboot of Princess Bride.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Eevee on August 17, 2014, 04:30:56 pm
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/guardians-galaxy-2014-movie-review/ (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/guardians-galaxy-2014-movie-review/) This review sums up my thoughts pretty well. Couldn't disagree more with the praise of that other review. It was fun at times, I can give it's fans that. But it wasn't brilliant or well-written. The story made no sense, the characters either made no sense or were completely one-dimensional.

Edit: How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 04:36:14 pm
Edit: How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?

Really, really badly.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Lekkit on August 17, 2014, 04:43:38 pm
Edit: How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?

Really, really badly.

Not that badly. It's still a decent movie. And well worth watching.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 17, 2014, 05:25:53 pm
I thought Guardians was really funny, so funny that it's probably better watched as a comedy. Other than a few moments that took themselves a liiittle too seriously, it viewed to me almost like a satire or maybe even parody of the superhero genre.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: LastFootnote on August 17, 2014, 06:25:07 pm
How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?

You are missing out badly by not having seen it as a child. Unfortunately, you cannot change that now.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 17, 2014, 06:28:56 pm
How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?

You are missing out badly by not having seen it as a child. Unfortunately, you cannot change that now.

Might as well throw in the towel.  It's over for you.  Find a wife, make a child of your own, raise him/her on the movie, and live vicariously through his or her happiness. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 06:49:55 pm
Guardians of the Galaxy has been widely well received. At the time of this post:

IMDb - 8.7 / 10
Metacritic - 76 / 100
Rotten Tomatoes -
 - Critics 92% positive (7.7 / 10)
 - Viewers 96% positive (4.5 / 5)
And US domestic box office gross over $200M (worldwide over $400M)

I felt like Star-Lord was very aware of how absurd the situations were, as he is originally from Earth. The humor in the movie seemed to add to the characters, as you are given very little time to establish them in the film.

I am not at all surprised Dsell didn't care for Guardians; most Nolan fans hate the Marvel Studios MCU films. The Dark Knight trilogy put a lot of focus on the villians and their motives, while the MCU films focus on the heroes and give a sense of something bigger happening outside what you see on the screen.

In fact, considering superhero movies a genre at this point is misleading. Guardians was clearly more space-opera. Winter Soldier was more espionage-thriller. Very few superhero films are following superhero standards. Even the Dark Knight was a crime-drama.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on August 17, 2014, 09:50:51 pm
I am not at all surprised Dsell didn't care for Guardians; most Nolan fans hate the Marvel Studios MCU films. The Dark Knight trilogy put a lot of focus on the villians and their motives, while the MCU films focus on the heroes and give a sense of something bigger happening outside what you see on the screen.

What have I gotten myself into.

I loved Guardians, just like I love most Marvel movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 10:50:03 pm
Good to hear. Now avoid the IMDb boards, they suck all the joy from movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on August 17, 2014, 11:12:47 pm
I remember seeing one review for Guardians on Rotten Tomatoes, saying "It's Star Wars, but all the protagonists are Han Solo." It's actually pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 17, 2014, 11:19:54 pm
I remember seeing one review for Guardians on Rotten Tomatoes, saying "It's Star Wars, but all the protagonists are Han Solo." It's actually pretty accurate.

Man, that should be the movie poster tag line.  Everyone would be like "... yeah I'd see it".
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 17, 2014, 11:24:17 pm
I remember seeing one review for Guardians on Rotten Tomatoes, saying "It's Star Wars, but all the protagonists are Han Solo." It's actually pretty accurate.

Man, that should be the movie poster tag line.  Everyone would be like "... yeah I'd see it".

Indeed.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 17, 2014, 11:44:21 pm
I've come across a significant number of people that balk when you compare it to Star Wars. Those would be the people that did not enjoy any of the Star Wars movies, in which case they may or may not enjoy Guardians.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 18, 2014, 01:22:42 am
In other news: Tropic Thunder was my movie of the day. Downey cracks me up as a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on August 18, 2014, 10:49:48 am
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.

The end of the series was just so horrifically terrible that I hate it all now.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on August 18, 2014, 10:50:13 am
In other news: Tropic Thunder was my movie of the day. Downey cracks me up as a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

Tom Cruise steals the show in that flick.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kirian on August 18, 2014, 12:11:26 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.

The end of the series was just so horrifically terrible that I hate it all now.

Dead. To. Me.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 12:35:30 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.

The end of the series was just so horrifically terrible that I hate it all now.

Dead. To. Me.

The whole premise of book 3 which involved time travel, which would be SO USEFUL in all the other books, makes no sense as all time travel stuff makes no sense, and geez, why can't they use this stuff in other situations? I'd love to fight Voldermort using time travel, or slowing down time, which ever it is. Book 4 was a bit silly. There was no reason to let Harry compete just because the goblet put his name out. They could just, you know, say he's too young and figure out what was wrong with the goblet, because clearly that isn't supposed to happen! Don't let him fight a dragon ya morons! Literally no reason to put his life in danger. Also the worst evil plan in history. He could have died so many times before getting to the middle of the maze. And the whole Pensive thing is weird. You can take your memories out of your head so that you can forget them to make room for more, but then wouldn't you just forget about them completely? Like, how does Dumbledore know what's in his pensive unless he regularly looks at it, in which case he's just remembering that same things. Either way he still has to remember it. It's a bit silly. Also, I kind of don't like villains that are evil just for the sake of being evil, which I felt Voldemort was. Also Umbridge was totally evil for the sake of being evil and man, what a weak character. And in book 5 (or 6?) when he goes to get his prophecy from the ministry, why is it that only people who the prophecy is about go and pick it up? It's a terrible safety measure. It's just as dangerous for one person to know their future than it is for other people to know about other people's future. That place should have armed guards 24/7 protecting the room that stores some of the most dangerous weapons ever. But no, instead it's just some riddle typed rooms that a bunch of students can easily get around.

And I agree the ending was fairly poor. It's so expected. We knew Harry was going to live, beat Voldemort and be happy in the end. But it seems the only twist JK Rowling could come up with was just killing a bunch of characters we like, and cutting someone's ear off (or did that happen in book 6?). Also, it was fairly jesus-y if I remember correctly. Harry dies then comes back to life right? He's a saviour, all praise Harry woohoo. And the last chapter with Harry being married kind of has no real purpose. I didn't like it.
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Post by: markusin on August 18, 2014, 12:38:37 pm
How badly am I missing out, never having seen Princess Bride?

You are missing out badly by not having seen it as a child. Unfortunately, you cannot change that now.
I started watching it once from the part where the Zoro guy confronts the Sicilian in a battle of wits. Classic.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 18, 2014, 12:42:32 pm
And I agree the ending was fairly poor. It's so expected. We knew Harry was going to live, beat Voldemort and be happy in the end. But it seems the only twist JK Rowling could come up with was just killing a bunch of characters we like, and cutting someone's ear off (or did that happen in book 6?). Also, it was fairly jesus-y if I remember correctly. Harry dies then comes back to life right? He's a saviour, all praise Harry woohoo. And the last chapter with Harry being married kind of has no real purpose. I didn't like it.

Yeah, happy endings suck. Personally, I'd prefer every story to be a tragedy and to always feel depressed.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 12:48:05 pm
And I agree the ending was fairly poor. It's so expected. We knew Harry was going to live, beat Voldemort and be happy in the end. But it seems the only twist JK Rowling could come up with was just killing a bunch of characters we like, and cutting someone's ear off (or did that happen in book 6?). Also, it was fairly jesus-y if I remember correctly. Harry dies then comes back to life right? He's a saviour, all praise Harry woohoo. And the last chapter with Harry being married kind of has no real purpose. I didn't like it.

Yeah, happy endings suck. Personally, I'd prefer every story to be a tragedy and to always feel depressed.

It's not whether it's a happy ending or not, it's that it was totally unsurprising. Like, from book 2 I knew it would end like this. There's not twist, and I don't find predictability entertaining in books I read.
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Post by: markusin on August 18, 2014, 01:01:02 pm
Well, I never attempted to watch any HP movies. I just happened to catch parts of various films through other people watching, or from the projection booth back when film was still widely used.

The books are better anyway.

The end of the series was just so horrifically terrible that I hate it all now.

Dead. To. Me.

The whole premise of book 3 which involved time travel, which would be SO USEFUL in all the other books, makes no sense as all time travel stuff makes no sense, and geez, why can't they use this stuff in other situations? I'd love to fight Voldermort using time travel, or slowing down time, which ever it is.

I'm glad I watched the third film. It is such a good example of why pre-fated paradoxical time-travel is bad for story telling. The intial cleverness wears off, and then most of the suspense for the rest of the story is removed. The book 3 time travel is best left forgotten, on even retconned.

Back to the future style time travel has issues too. Namely, it breaks my willing suspension of disbelief. Chaos theory should apply.

How it should be: Marty steps foot into 1955, altering the wind flow and causing a different sperm to fertilize the egg he was conceived in, and thus Marty is never born.

Alternate timeline, paradox-free time travel is the only time travel I won't get annoyed with.
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Post by: Kirian on August 18, 2014, 01:07:58 pm
Alternate timeline, paradox-free time travel is the only time travel I won't get annoyed with.

I recommend Connie Willis's Fire Watch universe, in particular To Say Nothing of the Dog, as a "pre-fated" time travel that nonetheless maintains suspense.  And in the case of TSNotD, ridiculousness and humor.

On the subject of time travel in HP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYWT5Q_R_w
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 01:21:20 pm
Also, the reason, from what I remember, why Harry didn't die the night he he was almost murdered as a baby was because his mother sacrificed her life her him. Through the power of love his life was saved. But with all the murders ever committed in the wizard world, how has no one ever killed someone who loved someone else? I feel this should happen a lot more frequently.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 18, 2014, 01:39:47 pm
Man, speaking of time travel and foreign films, I recommend Los Cronocrímenes (Timecrimes). I am not going to spoil anything, but if you like time travel movies, check it out.
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Post by: Eevee on August 18, 2014, 01:46:01 pm
It wasn't that she loved him. It was that she willingly sacrificed her life for him. She didn't have to die, due to promise made to Snape.

Anyways, of course it's full of plot holes and inconsistencies, it started as a bedtime
story for her kid. The plot isn't the point of the books, it's the atmosphere and magical world
she created.

I can't for the life of me understand why people would bring the movies
to the discussion. They are obviously very bad, and I doubt all eight would even
have been made if the book series wasn't so universally loved.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 01:55:24 pm
It wasn't that she loved him. It was that she willingly sacrificed her life for him. She didn't have to die, due to promise made to Snape.

Again, I have a hard time imagining that in the history of ever this hasn't happened before.

Anyways, of course it's full of plot holes and inconsistencies, it started as a bedtime
story for her kid. The plot isn't the point of the books, it's the atmosphere and magical world
she created.

Actually, this is a good way to put it. As children's books they are very good. I guess I just feel people see them as adult books, and they just aren't of that calibre. I appreciate no plot holes, and consistency between books, but I know that may be less important for some people.
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Post by: scott_pilgrim on August 18, 2014, 02:14:34 pm
My biggest problem with the Harry Potter series is that the universe it takes place in is just so silly it's impossible for me to suspend my disbelief.  Two wizards fighting is just the most anticlimactic thing ever, there are so many ridiculously overpowered spells that it's just a matter of who can pull out their wand first.

But the thing that really drives me crazy is, it's never clarified (that I'm aware of) whether spells are created or discovered.  If they're created, you would think learning how to create spells would be the main topic of study for wizards, you would be going to school to learn how to come up with new spells or improvise useful spells for whatever situation you're in.  If they're just discovered, then 1. it's a bizarre coincidence they all have Latin roots, but more importantly 2. the process of discovering them is just hilariously stupid.  I can imagine a bunch of ancient wizards standing around waving their wands in random patterns saying random gibberish until something happens, and then when something finally does happen trying to figure out what they said and how they moved their wand.

I also hate the ending.  I don't mind so much that Harry wins, but the whole thing where he dies and then comes back and kills Voldemort, that just seemed really bad.  If it had been "Harry kills Voldemort but he has to kill himself to do it", I think that would have been a lot more consistent/believable, as well as just a more interesting ending.

There are some things HP does really well, it's fun and some of the characters are really well done I think.

Also time travel is dumb.

Alternate timeline, paradox-free time travel is the only time travel I won't get annoyed with.

I think what you're talking about is the same kind of time travel that I also decided was the only thing that was acceptable (like, you just switch over to another timeline and the world continues as if it had been on that timeline all along).  I watched about 12 episodes of Stein's Gate which uses that same kind of time travel, but I stopped watching it when the main character can apparently retain his memories after time traveling, which is completely inconsistent with the way they describe time travel in earlier episodes.  (I never finished the series so maybe they explain that later, but I can't imagine what kind of explanation they could give that would be satisfying.)
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 18, 2014, 03:25:48 pm
Stories to not have to have believable or justifiable plot development points, they only need to be told well.

The Harry Potter stories were told well.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 05:07:21 pm
Stories to not have to have believable or justifiable plot development points, they only need to be told well.

The Harry Potter stories were told well.

I very much disagree. No, they don't need to be realistic, but I most certainly need to believe they are happening. The characters need to act in ways that seem normal given the context. When you write a story/book or anything, the audience needs to believe what is happening, not that it can happen, but that it is happening in the story. You need to convince them that this story is happening. Otherwise they feel disconnected and don't care for the characters. If a person sees a dragon they need to react in a believable way. If they jump up and down yelling "pizza," and there's no context to this, no matter how well it's told I won't believe it and the universe of the story breaks down in my mind.

In Harry Potter, Dumbledore constantly just says things crypticly, doesn't explain anything, and even when he does there are often parts left unexplained. This doesn't convince me that this is happening. the sillyness of some of the plots also take away from how believable this is. Game of Throne has magic, but the people in it act in ways that seem appropriate and complete goals that are within their means. Not like HP, where students seem to be able to fight through government defences and professional evil people.
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Post by: DG on August 18, 2014, 05:56:52 pm
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Not like HP, where students seem to be able to fight through government defences and professional evil people.

It's a children's story. What do you expect? Children always outsmart adults in children's stories (nearly always, sometimes animals outsmart the adults instead).

The Harry Potter films are not really worth discussing as works of art but they are certainly worth a cinema ticket. The story and characters hold up whether it is in a film or in a book. I imagine they will also keep their popularity over the next decade or more whilst all the superhero films will get dated quickly, even the best ones.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 18, 2014, 06:40:18 pm
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Not like HP, where students seem to be able to fight through government defences and professional evil people.

It's a children's story. What do you expect? Children always outsmart adults in children's stories (nearly always, sometimes animals outsmart the adults instead).

My post before said that they are good children's books. However, that last post that you quoted was written because Witherweaver said a story doesn't need to be believable to be good, and the previous discussion was about HP. So I mixed to two. My claim was that stories need to be believable, otherwise you will lose the audience. If your target audience is children, then HP is fine, but as an adult I am not riveted to it because it is not believable, not the story nor the characters even if it is told well. In fact, I'd go as far as saying telling a story well means that you are telling it in a believable way.
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Post by: Awaclus on August 18, 2014, 07:07:09 pm
It wasn't that she loved him. It was that she willingly sacrificed her life for him. She didn't have to die, due to promise made to Snape.

Anyways, of course it's full of plot holes and inconsistencies, it started as a bedtime
story for her kid. The plot isn't the point of the books, it's the atmosphere and magical world
she created.

I can't for the life of me understand why people would bring the movies
to the discussion. They are obviously very bad, and I doubt all eight would even
have been made if the book series wasn't so universally loved.
Not all of the movies are bad. I rather like the 3rd and the 4th. The fifth one, though, is undoubtedly one of the worst movies I've ever seen and definitely the worst adaptation of anything ever.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 19, 2014, 11:20:52 am
These threads are always good ways for me to learn about movies I absolutely must watch.

I'm kind of snobbish about movies, but I'm not a very elite snob. I prefer my movies to have good stories and characters while shrugging off mindless action. I like action, but it's much more enjoyable if it's smart action (the first Matrix movie was pretty smart).

It is noticeable when a director does a long shot. Tarantino was mentioned in this thread for that reason, and I do dig when he can pull off those long shots (or more accurately, when his actors can pull off those long shots). While I felt Irreversible was too slow and ponderous, I respect the fact that each sequence was shot in a continuous scene, which may explain why it felt like the taxicab scene just kept going in circles. And the long-shot appreciation doesn't stop with movies. Weird Al's "Tacky" video was well done as well as just about every video from OK Go.

I'm often not too keen on movies that are more style than substance, but sometimes the style is so interesting that I will forget the lack of substance. Scott Pilgrim has great style, and I can forgive the fact that the story could really have been told in half an hour without all the weird nuances. It's like winking to the audience, and I enjoyed that. A more subtle approach is how they handled English subtitles for Nightwatch. The subtitles helped convey the mood and were actually a part of the movie.

I think Marvel Studios is doing a phenomenal job. I suspect that the reason that Marvel Studios is doing so well with the Marvel characters compared to Sony and Fox is that the writers are fans of the comics and so are the producers. Sony doesn't care about Spider-Man. They just want to make money and are willing to jack with canon. To Fox, X-Men is just a way to cash in on Ian McKellan's and Patrick Stewart's popularity. Marvel Studios seems to actually take the source material to heart. They may change canon, but they do it in a way that is pleasing to the fans. I found Hulk and Iron Man 2 and 3 kind of shruggable, but I enjoyed them regardless. Everything else lately has been happy for me. I'm really looking forward to Ultron.

I suppose I should reconsider my top 5 movies. I hate top 5s. I like too many movies, but people tend to ask what your favorite five are, so I composed one back in the 90s. My list consisted of:
* Reservoir Dogs
* Brazil
* Shallow Grave
* The Usual Suspects
* Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

And even then, my list would be shaky due to Leon: The Professional; Dr. Strangelove; and the Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her Lover. And now there are newer movies like Fight Club, Inception, and Memento to really muck with my list.
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Post by: enfynet on August 19, 2014, 11:35:29 am
When I do favorite movies, I need genre/content clarification. It's very similar to answering "what's your favorite roller coaster?"

With that in mind, I can't really openly think of 5 off the top of my head that I enjoy more than a hundred others.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 19, 2014, 11:45:07 am
A top 5 is hard I'm still watching and replacing movies, but Snatch is up there a Ive seen it many times and still enjoy it. Fight club is good, but the twist wears off I find. Still up there though. Inglrious bast weds was really good, and recently Drive makes it in the list. But there are other whih all are good in various that I can't really put them in order.
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 19, 2014, 11:57:06 am
The Science of Sleep
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 19, 2014, 11:59:22 am
Recently sat down and in the rarest of moments decided I wanted to watch a Rom-Com. My Idiot Brother turned out to be exactly what I was wanting to see. Can't say I recommend Rom-Coms in general but if your in the mood I found it enjoyable.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 19, 2014, 12:05:37 pm
Recently sat down and in the rarest of moments decided I wanted to watch a Rom-Com. My Idiot Brother turned out to be exactly what I was wanting to see. Can't say I recommend Rom-Coms in general but if your in the mood I found it enjoyable.

Hey, thanks, I've been on the fence about watching this on Netflix.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 19, 2014, 12:06:31 pm
Recently sat down and in the rarest of moments decided I wanted to watch a Rom-Com. My Idiot Brother turned out to be exactly what I was wanting to see. Can't say I recommend Rom-Coms in general but if your in the mood I found it enjoyable.

Note quite rom-com, but this series is the best romantic type movies I've ever seen:

Before Sunrise
Before Sunset
Before Midnight
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Post by: Awaclus on August 19, 2014, 12:23:44 pm
It's very similar to answering "what's your favorite roller coaster?"
I don't think that's a difficult question at all, I instantly thought of this one (http://rcdb.com/3916.htm). Well, I haven't tried a lot of roller coasters since the options in Finland are fairly limited, though.


My top 5 favorite movies would probably be, in some order: Heart String Marionette, the Madoka Magica movies, Dancer in the Dark, Mononoke-hime, and The Act of Killing (wow, that's a lot of ways to ruin your day, now that I think of it). It's a huge shame to leave LOTR/TH out, but as entertaining as they are, they stop keeping me immersed when they end.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 19, 2014, 12:39:40 pm
It's very similar to answering "what's your favorite roller coaster?"
I don't think that's a difficult question at all, I instantly thought of this one (http://rcdb.com/3916.htm). Well, I haven't tried a lot of roller coasters since the options in Finland are fairly limited, though.


My top 5 favorite movies would probably be, in some order: Heart String Marionette, the Madoka Magica movies, Dancer in the Dark, Mononoke-hime, and The Act of Killing (wow, that's a lot of ways to ruin your day, now that I think of it). It's a huge shame to leave LOTR/TH out, but as entertaining as they are, they stop keeping me immersed when they end.

So I tried to watch heart string marionette, but it was 2 am and I was playing dominion with FTTW. I decided to watch it when it wouldnt keep me awake from being scared.
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Post by: GendoIkari on August 19, 2014, 01:47:05 pm
Interesting timing, as over the past week I just watched all the Harry Potter movies (the last few for the first time). I enjoyed them as a whole. Yeah, it would have been a stronger ending if the prophecy basically said that Harry and Voldemort's lives were bound together in such a way that neither could die unless they both did, and then Harry sacrifices himself to kill Voldemort. Kind of like a really great anime series that I won't name so that I don't spoil it; but anyone who's seen it probably knows what I'm talking about.

I like how as the movies went on, you learned more and more about the past with Voldemort and Snape and Harry's family. I like how they got darker and more adult as it went on. Yeah, there were all sorts of unexplained things and plotholes and stuff; but I don't think it was ever meant to be a believable story. I liked the movies while acknowledging that they aren't all that great.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 19, 2014, 01:48:29 pm
This feels like the right place to proclaim how terrible of a movie Avatar was, and how everyone involved was bad and should feel bad.
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Post by: enfynet on August 19, 2014, 02:08:12 pm
I wouldn't go with terrible, but it definitely wasn't original. I never would have guessed it would be as popular as it was. Then again, I didn't find Titanic to be all that incredible either. Cameron just knows how to make money.

(Can't wait til Avatar 2-3-4...)
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 19, 2014, 02:33:17 pm
Top 5

1 - The Shining
2 - The Princess Bride
3 - Natural Born Killers
4 - Four Rooms
5 - The Usual Suspects

I think... if I tried too hard I'd get analysis paralysis.
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Post by: Kirian on August 19, 2014, 04:40:39 pm
I'm entirely certain I couldn't do a top five.  Even just among SFF films.
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 19, 2014, 04:49:25 pm
I'm entirely certain I couldn't do a top five.  Even just among SFF films.

Yeah, I think I really went by most viewed and shared amongst general acquaintances although The Shining is actually on the list regardless.
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Post by: enfynet on August 20, 2014, 01:08:02 am
Tonight's post-work feature: Good Morning Vietnam
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 20, 2014, 08:33:07 am
It looks like Terry Gilliam's Zero Theorem is finally hitting the US theatres next month. I'm eager to watch it, though I am saddened by the negative reviews. On the whole, I enjoy Gilliam's works. He has a delightfully mad quality about his films.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 20, 2014, 09:03:18 am
It looks like Terry Gilliam's Zero Theorem is finally hitting the US theatres next month. I'm eager to watch it, though I am saddened by the negative reviews. On the whole, I enjoy Gilliam's works. He has a delightfully mad quality about his films.

You've brought back memories of Tideland. *shudder*
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 09:22:06 am
It looks like Terry Gilliam's Zero Theorem is finally hitting the US theatres next month. I'm eager to watch it, though I am saddened by the negative reviews. On the whole, I enjoy Gilliam's works. He has a delightfully mad quality about his films.


!!!!

Gilliam movies always get negative reviews, because people suck.  But they're always worth watching.  I'm really excited for this one.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 20, 2014, 10:14:58 am
Gilliam movies always get negative reviews, because people suck.  But they're always worth watching.  I'm really excited for this one.

Have you seen Tideland?

I will agree that most of his films are good times.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 10:30:22 am
Gilliam movies always get negative reviews, because people suck.  But they're always worth watching.  I'm really excited for this one.

Have you seen Tideland?

I will agree that most of his films are good times.

I think that's the only one I haven't, actually.  Well, maybe that an a couple obscure ones.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 20, 2014, 10:32:24 am
Gilliam movies always get negative reviews, because people suck.  But they're always worth watching.  I'm really excited for this one.

Actually, a glance at Rotten Tomatoes shows that you're wrong. Most Gilliam movies have gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews.

Here are just the ones I've seen:

98% Brazil
97% Monty Python and the Holy Grail
96% Monty Pyton's Life of Brian
94% The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
92% Time Bandits
90% Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
88% Twelve Monkeys
50% Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
38% The Brothers Grimm
29% Tideland

With the exception of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (which I think deserves better), those ratings are spot-on. The Brothers Grimm freaked me the fuck out and I didn't enjoy it at all. Tideland is physically painful to watch; it should actually be lower.

The Zero Theorem has 54%. There's a good chance it's just a mediocre film.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 20, 2014, 10:37:10 am
Tonight's post-work feature: Good Morning Vietnam

I watched that that other day too. It was pretty good. Robin Williams mostly being himself in a lot of scenes.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 10:38:56 am
I don't know, I thought Brother's Grimm was perfectly fine.  I guess I was mostly thinking of that and Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus.  I recall a decent amount of negative hearsay about the films when they were coming out, and I thought both were great.  The others (From Twelve Monkeys up through Brazil), had all been out for a while before I saw them, and this was before internet message boards were common. 

So I guess I was only basing my statement on the last few films.  But you're right, in the films over all are reviewed well.  Which is good, because they're cool :)

I do want to see Tideland, and I doubt it's as bad as people say.  I also haven't seen Adventures of Baron Munchausen.  And I only watched part of Jabberwocky (I had a hard time getting into it at the time), and I missed Fisher King as well.

Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: LastFootnote on August 20, 2014, 10:41:10 am
I do want to see Tideland, and I doubt it's as bad as people say.  I also haven't seen Adventures of Baron Munchausen.  And I only watched part of Jabberwocky (I had a hard time getting into it at the time), and I missed Fisher King as well.

Whoa, you should really see The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Do yourself a favor and skip Tideland. I am not exaggerating when I say your life will be better for it.

EDIT: Let me elaborate and say that i disliked Tideland for different reasons than I disliked The Brothers Grimm. I didn't like the Brothers Grimm because I just don't like scary stuff, but that movie has other merits. Tideland is disturbing in other ways, and it doesn't really have other merits to make up for how disturbing it is. It's just disturbing and then it's over.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 10:44:11 am
I do want to see Tideland, and I doubt it's as bad as people say.  I also haven't seen Adventures of Baron Munchausen.  And I only watched part of Jabberwocky (I had a hard time getting into it at the time), and I missed Fisher King as well.

Whoa, you should really see The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Do yourself a favor and skip Tideland. I am not exaggerating when I say your life will be better for it.

Haha. 
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 20, 2014, 10:59:12 am
Do yourself a favor and skip Tideland. I am not exaggerating when I say your life will be better for it.

Haha.

I'm not kidding. This is my serious face.  :(

See it if you want. It's "artistic", for what that is worth. It's not entertaining.
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Post by: Awaclus on August 20, 2014, 11:02:48 am
Gilliam movies always get negative reviews, because people suck.  But they're always worth watching.  I'm really excited for this one.

Actually, a glance at Rotten Tomatoes shows that you're wrong. Most Gilliam movies have gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews.

Here are just the ones I've seen:

98% Brazil
97% Monty Python and the Holy Grail
96% Monty Pyton's Life of Brian
94% The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
92% Time Bandits
90% Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
88% Twelve Monkeys
50% Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
38% The Brothers Grimm
29% Tideland

With the exception of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (which I think deserves better), those ratings are spot-on. The Brothers Grimm freaked me the fuck out and I didn't enjoy it at all. Tideland is physically painful to watch; it should actually be lower.

The Zero Theorem has 54%. There's a good chance it's just a mediocre film.
I thought The Brothers Grimm was good. Not like the best movie ever or anything, but worth watching and rewatching.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 20, 2014, 01:59:29 pm
I am really intrigued by Tideland now. I won't dispute anyone's claims that it's a bad movie, but now it's on my bucket list.

Then again, I also purposefully watched Shock Treatment and the Forbidden Zone (and even own them on DVD), so my tolerance for bad movies is higher than usual, despite my normally elitist behavior.
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 02:13:12 pm
So, you guys into depraved and disturbing have seen The Sinful Dwarf, right? It's not the most depraved and nowhere near the most disturbing but it may be the best combination of the two.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 02:20:41 pm
So, you guys into depraved and disturbing have seen The Sinful Dwarf, right? It's not the most depraved and nowhere near the most disturbing but it may be the best combination of the two.

No, but now I want to
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 02:26:59 pm
While I was ruminating on the disturbing and depraved (The Piano Teacher comes to mind and then there is this (http://whatculture.com/film/10-most-depraved-films-youve-never-seen.php)) I was reminded of The Girl Next Door which, being based on a quite true happening, disturbed me quite a bit.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 02:27:38 pm
While I was ruminating on the disturbing and depraved (The Piano Teacher comes to mind and then there is this (http://whatculture.com/film/10-most-depraved-films-youve-never-seen.php)) I was reminded of The Girl Next Door which, being based on a quite true happening, disturbed me quite a bit.

That link is depraved because it keeps popping up animated adds.

And because you have to load a new page for each element of the list
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 02:30:53 pm
NoScript
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 20, 2014, 02:57:52 pm
While I was ruminating on the disturbing and depraved (The Piano Teacher comes to mind and then there is this (http://whatculture.com/film/10-most-depraved-films-youve-never-seen.php)) I was reminded of The Girl Next Door which, being based on a quite true happening, disturbed me quite a bit.

That link is depraved because it keeps popping up animated adds.

And because you have to load a new page for each element of the list

AdBlock
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 03:00:37 pm
One is proactive the other reactive.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 20, 2014, 03:01:22 pm
One is proactive the other reactive.

And they both work just as well I'm guessing.
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 03:03:33 pm
One is proactive the other reactive.

And they both work just as well I'm guessing.

One keeps you from ever seeing them or getting drive by crap installed or getting tracked by cookies and scripts you never wanted. The other lets you take it to the face first and try to sort it out later and hope they don't change anything to circumvent it. Personally, I think NoScript makes far more sense.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 03:04:53 pm
One is proactive the other reactive.

And they both work just as well I'm guessing.

One keeps you from ever seeing them or getting drive by crap installed or getting tracked by cookies and scripts you never wanted. The other lets you take it to the face first and try to sort it out later and hope they don't change anything to circumvent it. Personally, I think NoScript makes far more sense.

Firefox only?
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Post by: pingpongsam on August 20, 2014, 03:05:36 pm
One is proactive the other reactive.

And they both work just as well I'm guessing.

One keeps you from ever seeing them or getting drive by crap installed or getting tracked by cookies and scripts you never wanted. The other lets you take it to the face first and try to sort it out later and hope they don't change anything to circumvent it. Personally, I think NoScript makes far more sense.

Firefox only?

quite possibly
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Post by: Awaclus on August 20, 2014, 03:19:40 pm
Yeah, NoScript is FF only. And since I use Opera 12, I don't even have AdBlock.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on August 20, 2014, 04:51:17 pm
What are your opinions on rewatching movies in the theater?

I'll rewatch movies after they come out on DVD, usually through, uh, totally-legal means, but I know people who've bought another movie ticket just to see it again. To me, it feels like a waste.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
What are your opinions on rewatching movies in the theater?

I'll rewatch movies after they come out on DVD, usually through, uh, totally-legal means, but I know people who've bought another movie ticket just to see it again. To me, it feels like a waste.

There are specific movies I've done this for.. sometimes because a different friend wants to see it and I have a justifiable reason to see it again.. I really enjoyed it, or I want to think about some aspect while watching again.  I saw The Dark Knight in theaters at least twice.
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Post by: Awaclus on August 20, 2014, 04:58:39 pm
Depends on the movie. For most movies, it's not only a waste of money, but also a waste of time to watch them again soon after just seeing them for the first time. But then there are some movies that really require at least two viewings, and for those movies, it's definitely worth it if the movie is good.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 20, 2014, 05:36:38 pm
Most of the time I watch a movie only once in a theatre. If I go twice, it's usually because a) it has many layers that warrant a second viewing, b) it is so kickass that it has to be watched again, or c) my buddy wants to go see it so I'll tag along.

Some obvious movies that come to mind that I've seen twice in the theatre are Memento, Snowpiercer, and Pulp Fiction.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 20, 2014, 05:40:41 pm
I want to see Snowpiercer, but I'm a little worried it's too much politically oriented, or trying to make a social statement, or something.  I haven't explored too much because I'd rather go into it knowing less.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 20, 2014, 06:15:17 pm
I want to see Snowpiercer, but I'm a little worried it's too much politically oriented, or trying to make a social statement, or something.  I haven't explored too much because I'd rather go into it knowing less.

It makes about as much of a political statement as any other dystopian movies. It's as subtle as a brick.

But do not worry about environmental concerns. While the premise of the movie is that people freaked out about global warming, it's really just a vessel to introduce the real story. The premise and "science" of the movie are really quite laughable, but they do frame dystopia in a unique fashion.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 20, 2014, 06:44:53 pm
Even if a movie warrants a second viewing, I really think you need to space the viewings out. That way you go in with fewer preconceived notions I find. I kind of forget a lot of details over time, so waiting on a second viewing sort of lets me rewatch a movie I know I loved the first time without it being boring.
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Post by: Galzria on August 21, 2014, 01:02:30 am
A quick ctrl-f didn't find any of the following "three", so I'll name drop them as favorites that I've watched many a time over - even if I don't get myself too involved in the current conversations.

Any/All of The Thin Man movies.
Champagne for Ceaser
Bringing Up Baby

And no, I don't have any special love for old black and whites over the newer stuff, I just find the stories to those "three" to be especially enjoyable
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Post by: enfynet on August 21, 2014, 10:22:08 am
It's probably not fair for me to answer how many times I watch something in theaters, as I don't pay for tickets. I know my top two are WALL•E (9) and Dark Knight (8, if you include the times I left after the hospital scene)

I also watched Brave three times before it came out. Avengers and Guardians twice before they came out.

I've never watched a preview to any of the LotR or Hobbit movies, they would spoil way too much. I already struggle to enjoy them as it is.

I also play my Xbox in the theater. Actually, the only reason I have an Xbox was the ability to play in a theater.

And yesterday's post-work film was What If. My first Daniel Radcliffe movie. It was chaos.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 21, 2014, 11:12:41 am
I suppose I saw Rocky Horror more than 50 times, but that's a special case. That was really just a party where a movie breaks out. I used to tape ticket stubs together and hang them on my wall.
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Post by: enfynet on August 21, 2014, 03:22:19 pm
Rocky Horror is a strange animal. It didn't do all that well in the initial run, but has had countless rereleases over the last ~40 years.
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Post by: GendoIkari on August 21, 2014, 04:35:38 pm
I've never seen a movie in a paid theater more than twice; but I almost never go to actual movie theaters, because I have a movie theater in my house.  ;D
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Post by: enfynet on August 21, 2014, 05:00:44 pm
If I didn't have a megaplex at my disposal, I too would have a theater in my house. I actually have a 10x15ft vinyl banner that I plan on using for a screen eventually.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 21, 2014, 06:31:41 pm
Anyway watch The Woodsman?  Kevin Bacon, Mos Def.  I was really impressed with Mos Def in this movie.
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Post by: enfynet on August 21, 2014, 06:58:19 pm
Mos Def is actually quite good in most of his movie roles. I'd like to see him cast in more big Hollywood productions.
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Post by: Teproc on August 21, 2014, 07:27:27 pm
Mos Def was the only remotely decent thing about season 6 of Dexter, which is the only thing I've seen him in. If he can be even half-decent with that kind of material, I'd say he's pretty good.
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Post by: GendoIkari on August 21, 2014, 10:41:52 pm
Anyway watch The Woodsman?  Kevin Bacon, Mos Def.  I was really impressed with Mos Def in this movie.

I forgot that Mos Def was in that. Saw it a long time ago; thought it was ok but could have been better.
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Post by: enfynet on August 24, 2014, 12:47:57 pm
Friday's post-Waldameer movie: Jumanji
Yesterday's post-work movie: The Hunger Games

Both of which put me to sleep. (I'm hoping because they followed long days.)
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 24, 2014, 12:56:18 pm
Friday's post-Waldameer movie: Jumanji
Yesterday's post-work movie: The Hunger Games

Both of which put me to sleep. (I'm hoping because they followed long days.)

Mayb for Jumanji, but the Hunger Games was pretty bad.
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Post by: Davio on August 25, 2014, 11:26:40 am
I thought the Hunger Games was decent enough, but I liked Battle Royale (Battoru Rowaiu in Japanese???) better.

They're both about a deathmatch put in place for various reasons (celebration of beating down the resistance vs... bad teenagers), but a subject like that just works better in a Japanese dystopian version than a Hollywood blockbuster.
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Post by: LastFootnote on August 25, 2014, 11:32:21 pm
Recently sat down and in the rarest of moments decided I wanted to watch a Rom-Com. My Idiot Brother turned out to be exactly what I was wanting to see. Can't say I recommend Rom-Coms in general but if your in the mood I found it enjoyable.

Hey, thanks, I've been on the fence about watching this on Netflix.

I have now seen it! Thanks for the recommendation. Hard to watch in parts, but a good film.
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Post by: enfynet on August 26, 2014, 01:35:21 am
Tonight's after work movie was Guilt Trip. Parts of it were really enjoyable, even if a bit predictable.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on August 31, 2014, 10:20:11 am
Guardians of the Galaxy is officially the #1 movie of 2014. It likely won't have a challenger until Mockingjay. It also has potential to outgross both Iron Man and Iron Man 2.

In other news: The new movies this week are doing less business than Guardians on week 5, and Turtles on week 4.
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Post by: Kirian on August 31, 2014, 01:54:06 pm
Guardians of the Galaxy is officially the #1 movie of 2014. It likely won't have a challenger until Mockingjay. It also has potential to outgross both Iron Man and Iron Man 2.

In other news: The new movies this week are doing less business than Guardians on week 5, and Turtles on week 4.

We went to see Guardians last night... our first movie in a theater in four years.  Absolutely loved it.  Some small problems, but nothing major.

I don't know that I care to see another 3D movie though; it felt gimmicky and unnecessary.
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Post by: enfynet on August 31, 2014, 02:07:19 pm
All 3D movies suffer the same problem.

Is it a good movie because of 3D or without 3D?

Basically, if it needs 3D then it's probably not good, and if its good then it probably doesn't need 3D.

There were two scenes in Guardians that I felt 3D really added something.
The end where Quill grabs the stone and the purple swirlyness camera move. And the title scene with Quill in the ruins.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 31, 2014, 02:07:33 pm
Guardians of the Galaxy is officially the #1 movie of 2014. It likely won't have a challenger until Mockingjay. It also has potential to outgross both Iron Man and Iron Man 2.

In other news: The new movies this week are doing less business than Guardians on week 5, and Turtles on week 4.

We went to see Guardians last night... our first movie in a theater in four years.  Absolutely loved it.  Some small problems, but nothing major.

I don't know that I care to see another 3D movie though; it felt gimmicky and unnecessary.

Most of the time it is gimmicky and unnecessary. I hate the extra cost associated with it, and I'd rather just see it in 2D.

That being said, I saw Guardians in 3D but only because it was part of a package. For $25 a person, I got to eat a brisket dinner, enjoy four beers, and take in a movie. I was perfectly content with that price and did not mind the 3D one bit.

In general, I'll go for the cheaper 2D. Even Avatar, which has been heralded as great 3D didn't really do much for me with those glasses.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 31, 2014, 02:11:43 pm
All 3D movies suffer the same problem.

Is it a good movie because of 3D or without 3D?

Basically, if it needs 3D then it's probably not good, and if its good then it probably doesn't need 3D.

There were two scenes in Guardians that I felt 3D really added something.
The end where Quill grabs the stone and the purple swirlyness camera move. And the title scene with Quill in the ruins.

The annoying thing is that I didn't have the (practical) option to see it on an IMAX screen that wasn't in 3D.  I prefer not 3D always.
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Post by: enfynet on August 31, 2014, 02:27:32 pm
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Post by: Awaclus on August 31, 2014, 02:37:35 pm
All 3D movies suffer the same problem.

Is it a good movie because of 3D or without 3D?

Basically, if it needs 3D then it's probably not good, and if its good then it probably doesn't need 3D.
But if it needs 3D and it's good with 3D, isn't it just good then?


I prefer 3D in theaters, since I can always get the 2D experience later when I'm home.
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Post by: enfynet on August 31, 2014, 02:43:48 pm
That's exactly the dilemma. You get the very rare films like Avatar and Gravity where people prefer seeing it in 3D, but most of the time 3D attendance is about half non-3D attendance.

As for cost, anything with "Real D" attached has a contract (same with IMAX) where cinemas MUST charge an additional cost over their normal ticket prices. In our case, the minimum difference for Real D is $3 per ticket.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 02, 2014, 05:46:23 pm
So there's a thing on FB about listing 15 movies that stuck with you...not necessarily movies that are your favorites (though I do have a lot of overlap with those two lists). I thought I'd share mine. If others have their own influences, feel free to share. Maybe 15. Maybe not.

1. Shallow Grave - First movie I've seen with Ewan McGregor and Christopher Eccleston. I still love the ending.
2. Reservoir Dogs - Back when I didn't even know who Tarantino is. I still consider this his best. Perhaps it's because this movie was not tainted by the rush of being told he's awesome.
3. Brazil - It warped my little brain, but it made me appreciate the absurdity of real life. I saw it before I entered the cube farm, and now that I'm in a cube farm, everything is so vivid. I'm a fan of dystopian stories, and this is one of them.
4. The Re-Animator - Not a great movie, but it was amusing because my friend and I snuck out during class to watch this in the AV room. It was the unrated version, so zombified cunnilingus was there in its full glory.
5. Heavy Metal - This movie is so dated, and it's so schlocky and testosterone-ridden, but it was my first adult animated movie. John Candy delivered some of the best lines.
6. Alien - Technically, Jaws would have been my first horror film, but I was way too young to understand what was happening. Alien, however, was on HBO during a time in my life when I understood what was happening, and it scared the shit out of me. My tummy did flip-flops during the scary scenes, so I stood behind a chair so it couldn't see the TV. You can guess that it didn't work.
7. Little Shop of Horrors - I think this was the first musical I saw in a movie theatre. I didn't know it was a musical going in. I kind of wish it had the stage version's ending, but it's a good movie regardless.
8. American History X - There are plenty of examples of bigotry, and they aren't necessarily in works of fiction, but I am glad this is a fictional story. The curb-stomping scene still makes me cringe, but the whole hatred thing just really oozes off the screen, and it makes you angry and sad at once.
9. The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover - Probably not my first Helen Mirren movie, but it's the first one where I learned who she was. Made me really appreciate the sexuality of women over 40. This movie was a great blend of music and colors to portray mood along with story. I hate how the choir boy's song overpowers everything and wish for a version where his role is muted. The ending is still one of the most haunting murals of hatred today.
10. Near Dark - I think this was my first taste of nontraditional vampires. No nosferatu or creepy Christopher Lee. This was good old-fashioned redneck vampires in a Winnebago. It also showed just how cavalier they considered life when they slaughter the bar patrons.
11. Tommy - The visuals were pretty wild in this one, so that's unfair. When I was old enough to understand the story, it stuck with me. A Messiah who gets rejected by his own followers when he no longer teaches a path they like.
12. Star Wars trilogy - My first sci-fi love (even though it's not sci-fi). I saw all three in the theatre, though I was quite young. I vaguely remember even seeing A New Hope. I remember specific scenes from Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi might have been the first movie in theatres I saw since my father died (who was with me the other two times), so there is still a soft spot for this series, even though I hated the way Boba Fett died.
13. Memento - I like mindfucks, and this one stuck with me for a while. Technically, it's not entirely filmed in reverse order (such as Irreversible), but the backwards storytelling really put you in the mindset of the protagonist. After watching this movie, I would wake up in the middle of the night and ask myself where I was.
14. Fight Club - This movie really drove home that marketing sucks. I ignored this movie because the trailer looked like another Van Damme wannabe with a bunch of testosterone-laden fights. There was testosterone, all right, but it was in different places. I watched this movie wondering why it was such a big deal for a brainless action movie and realized it was much more than that.
15. Cabin in the Woods - This movie is so meta, it hurts. Deconstructing all your favorites (and yelling-at-screen nonfavorites) in horror tropes. It really becomes a different movie after a certain point, and it has so many quotable lines.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 06, 2014, 12:56:38 pm
God Help the Girl is finally out; playing at Village East Cinema in New York:

http://www.villageeastcinema.com/angelika_film.asp?hID=166&ID=4816973.z030630690316q82j5.77

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Post by: enfynet on September 14, 2014, 02:26:54 am
Guardians of the Galaxy became the first 2014 film to reach $300M domestic.

And I got the soundtrack as an anniversary gift. :)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 16, 2014, 10:26:19 am
So I caught Ender's Game last night on HBO.. only half-watched while I was doing other things.  I wouldn't say it's bad, persay, just sort of.. flat and uninspiring.  I'm not sure if I would feel different if I paid more attention to it, but I had trouble getting immersed the way I had with the books.  I'm also not sure if I would have felt any different if I hadn't read the books.  In the books you really get kind of connected to Ender, and the revelation that His battle school "tests" were really actual battles in the war hit a lot harder.  (Maybe a lot of book readers predicted that.. I didn't see it until right before it was explicitly said in the book.)  So I don't know.. just left me feeling kind of "eh".
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 16, 2014, 10:44:12 am
I read Ender's Game and got punched in the gut with that revelation.

Since I read the book first, I cannot say if the movie had the same punch, but I got the feeling it didn't. It just didn't seem to build up to it properly, but I think that may have been because the book had more training exercises than the movie. In the movie's defense, if it showed more training exercises, then it'd get really tedious.

It also doesn't help that I feel the trailer gave away too much of the ending. It didn't come right out and tell you, but I think it was made easier to see what was coming.
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Post by: enfynet on September 16, 2014, 12:06:57 pm
I never saw Enders Game but the preview did indicate a "twist" and since it focused on the young boy making severe decisions, it followed that those decisions were real.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 16, 2014, 01:31:33 pm
I hate it when trailers give too much away.

I really hated the marketing for Terminator 2, because they came out and said that this time, Arnold is the good guy. The way the movie is laid out, it really was unclear who would be the good guy. They changed things up a little bit from the first movie. In the first movie, Arnold killed upon arriving in the 20th century while Reese did not (though his entrance was violent too). In the second movie, the T1000 killed upon arriving while Arnold did not (again, this was also violent). So they really missed their chance to wow the audience with a middle-of-the-movie twist because of marketing. Jerks.

It was still an awesome movie, but it would have been much cooler to go, "Wait…he's helping him? Wha?"
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 21, 2014, 01:18:00 am
Finally, the Zero Theorem came out in the US this weekend. I managed to watch it this afternoon.

True enough, as a Gilliam fan, I enjoyed the whole movie, even the slow parts. I'm not sure how to movie looks to non-Gilliam fans. It can be slow and ponderous, which could be a turn-off for some people. And it had enough weird random bits that leave some viewers scratching their heads.

Even though this isn't a sequel to Brazil or anything, there are still very strong elements in common. Replace government intrusion with corporate intrusion.

I didn't like the portrayal of "hacking." Granted, it's an alternate universe where things are done differently, so maybe cutting and pasting a Word document in this universe would require flying the paragraph between towering documents before placing it in its new home. Mostly, the maneuvering of blocks with mathematical formulas just came off as an unnecessary gimmick.
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Post by: KingZog3 on September 22, 2014, 01:19:23 pm
So I went to an animation festival in Ottawa and saw a number of really cool short films and two talks from animators. One that really stood out for me was this one, so I thought I'd share.

EDIT: It's explicit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OP2r8kY9E
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Post by: enfynet on September 24, 2014, 01:19:46 am
So after The Prestige discussion in the Random thread, I decided to finally watch it tonight. I must say, although I didn't quite figure the twist, I did suspect something was up with Bale's assistant, simply because of the lack of screen time compared to Caine's character. It felt like he should have been more important.
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Post by: Qvist on October 02, 2014, 05:16:25 pm
I just watched the new David Fincher movie Gone Girl (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2267998/combined) which is another excellent movie from him. Go see it.

Also it has a little Easter Egg in it. Both Dominion and Race for the Galaxy are depicted in the movie. I was really surprised seeing those games prominently in the middle of the screen.
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Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2014, 12:24:25 pm
Continuing a discussion from television to movies.

In general, I find the bits that I have seen [of David Lynch's movies] to be visually engaging. And sometimes aurally engaging too (loved the Spanish version of "Crying" in Mulholland Drive). So I would say they're worth watching at least once, though I do have my reservations about recommending Eraserhead. I may even give Lost Highway another shot, even though I got bored of it the first time I tried to watch it. 

I suppose Lynch being considered "overrated" depends on the crowd you talk with. I have my mainstream discussions and I have my cult classic discussions. Lynch's name came up often when talking about the likes of early Kevin Smith, Peter Jackson, and Coens. I guess I was just used to people talking him up so much that I started doing it too. After all, these were people who routinely talked about Doom Generation, Reservoir Dogs, and Heavenly Creatures. So if they talked about Lynch as reverently as those movies, then what's not to love?
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Post by: enfynet on October 07, 2014, 08:32:00 pm
I feel like his career peaked with Mulholland Drive. I can't say much of his work stands out as being "overrated" as I've rarely heard it being praised.  Directors tend to lose my interest if they try too hard to separate themselves from the mainstream. It comes off as forcefully fake and distracting. Tarantino is one of the few who has a noticeable style without making the movie suffer.
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Post by: Awaclus on October 08, 2014, 10:04:31 am
I watched Cloud Atlas a while ago. Was pretty good.
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Post by: AndrewisFTTW on October 13, 2014, 03:00:53 pm
A clip from Whiplash. Dumb. Really dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_6VUs2VCk
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 13, 2014, 03:55:37 pm
A clip from Whiplash. Dumb. Really dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_6VUs2VCk

That's not how you learned to play? Weird.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 13, 2014, 04:27:46 pm
I watched Cloud Atlas a while ago. Was pretty good.

I loved Cloud Atlas.
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Post by: Kuildeous on October 13, 2014, 04:59:02 pm
That's not how you learned to play? Weird.

"Why did I throw a chair at your head?"

"Um, because you're a fucking psycho?"
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 14, 2014, 12:01:37 am
That's not how you learned to play? Weird.

"Why did I throw a chair at your head?"

"Um, because you're a fucking psycho?"

because abuse teaches kids better than actually teaching them.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 26, 2014, 01:26:33 am
Saw Birdman tonight.  Really, really good.
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Post by: Kuildeous on October 27, 2014, 08:14:48 am
I saw the Maze Runner. It has decent enough tomatoes, but I'm not sure it's that good a movie. The interaction and mystery at the beginning was pretty good. They tried to explain what was happening at the end, but I don't think it really succeeded. I may need to look up fan sites to see what was trying to be conveyed. Maybe this was just an unsuccessful translation of the book.

I felt kind of weird that my wife and I were the only adults in the audience. A lot of teenaged girls apparently want to see this movie. I can't complain, though. They were actually quiet during the film, which exceeds my expectations.
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Post by: enfynet on October 28, 2014, 08:43:30 am
So, my thoughts on Interstellar and the way the studio is handling the release:

169 minutes. I guess theaters only need to show it 3 times per day. It's called editing, cut out the one hour of flat dialogue in the middle.

Early release on FILM or IMAX. Okay, so the industry pushes exhibitors to change to digital projection, and is now rewarding those who did not? Unless you are paying an IMAX license, so XD, RPX, and any other large format digital screens are SOL.

4-Week minimum hold. Are you kidding me? Smaller venues are going to be stuck with this picture during the thanksgiving release week? And if it fails, what then? I sense no studio confidence in the film to carry itself.

Man, I already had no expectations for this movie, I don't need any other reasons to doubt it. Give me two showings of Big Hero 6 any day over this.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 28, 2014, 09:53:31 am
So, my thoughts on Interstellar and the way the studio is handling the release:

169 minutes. I guess theaters only need to show it 3 times per day. It's called editing, cut out the one hour of flat dialogue in the middle.

Early release on FILM or IMAX. Okay, so the industry pushes exhibitors to change to digital projection, and is now rewarding those who did not? Unless you are paying an IMAX license, so XD, RPX, and any other large format digital screens are SOL.

4-Week minimum hold. Are you kidding me? Smaller venues are going to be stuck with this picture during the thanksgiving release week? And if it fails, what then? I sense no studio confidence in the film to carry itself.

Man, I already had no expectations for this movie, I don't need any other reasons to doubt it. Give me two showings of Big Hero 6 any day over this.

What?  I haven't seen the movie, but I would not want a movie like this cutting out dialogue.  I don't see a problem with 169 minutes from a viewer standpoint. 

Though I take it you're talking more from a film business standpoint. 
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Post by: enfynet on October 28, 2014, 10:55:16 am
The other 109 minutes are also mostly dialogue. As I understand it, this just feels like Contact 2014.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 28, 2014, 11:07:13 am
I'm okay with that.  I want dialogue in movies.  Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Before Midnight are entirely dialogue and (I think) some of the best movies made.
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Post by: Kuildeous on October 28, 2014, 11:21:19 am
What?  I haven't seen the movie, but I would not want a movie like this cutting out dialogue.  I don't see a problem with 169 minutes from a viewer standpoint. 

Depends on the dialogue. I felt that Death Proof was far too long of a movie (and it was only half of one!). The dialogue really dragged on, and I was so bored of it. And this is coming from someone who enjoys Tarantino's quirky dialogues. I was cool with the diner scene of Reservoir Dogs, the Thurman/Travolta banter in Pulp Fiction, and the Nazi monologue at the beginning of Inglourious Bastards. But somehow, the dialogue in Death Proof just needed to be trimmed. I guess it just wasn't as interesting as the others. While those other scenes may be viewed as Quentin masturbating feverishly into a script, they at least were still interesting.

I've not seen Interstellar, so I have no opinion on that matter.

And theatres could still show it more than three times, but it would cost them an additional screen, which is not a small sacrifice.
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Post by: enfynet on October 29, 2014, 12:43:31 pm
So this seems exciting:

Marvel Studios—2015 to 2019
Avengers: Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
Ant-Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America: Civil War - May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange - November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - May 5, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok - July 28, 2017
Black Panther - November 3, 2017 (starring Chadwick Boseman)
Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 - May 4, 2018
Captain Marvel - July 6, 2018
Inhumans - November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 2 - May 3, 2019

Because Sony owns Spider-Man rights, will Black Panther take his place in the Civil War storyline?
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Post by: Jorbles on October 29, 2014, 01:32:57 pm
So this seems exciting:

Marvel Studios—2015 to 2019
Avengers: Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
Ant-Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America: Civil War - May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange - November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - May 5, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok - July 28, 2017
Black Panther - November 3, 2017 (starring Chadwick Boseman)
Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 - May 4, 2018
Captain Marvel - July 6, 2018
Inhumans - November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 2 - May 3, 2019

Because Sony owns Spider-Man rights, will Black Panther take his place in the Civil War storyline?

Looking up a trailer for Ant-Man I found a fake fan made one that looks very real except that it uses the Robots from I Robot, which tipped me off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-JtSSSthJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-JtSSSthJ8) I don't know if I'm actually excited about Ant-Man or just nervous, but that trailer did not help.
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Post by: enfynet on October 29, 2014, 04:29:22 pm
That was pretty awful. And obviously fake because Edgar wright is not directing. I'm sure we'll know more by the time Age of Ultron comes out in may.
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Post by: ashersky on October 29, 2014, 08:17:19 pm
Because Sony owns Spider-Man rights, will Black Panther take his place in the Civil War storyline?

I think there are talks of Marvel Studios/Sony working together to bring the universes together.

But yes, Black Panther is part of Civil War, from my understanding.  The three of them (actors) were on stage together at the announcement.
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Post by: Kirian on October 29, 2014, 10:27:41 pm
The other 109 minutes are also mostly dialogue. As I understand it, this just feels like Contact 2014.

I'm not certain what the problem is there.  Contact was one of the better book adaptations I've seen.
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Post by: ashersky on October 29, 2014, 11:39:54 pm
The other 109 minutes are also mostly dialogue. As I understand it, this just feels like Contact 2014.

I'm not certain what the problem is there.  Contact was one of the better book adaptations I've seen.

Mostly it was confusing that Agent Starling was in space for some reason.
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Post by: Teproc on October 31, 2014, 07:51:39 am
I just saw Interstellar. It was great, though I could see people having problems with the last half-hour. Regardless, everything before that I just loved unequivocally.
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Post by: enfynet on October 31, 2014, 11:10:08 am
That's good to hear. The last description of the movie I heard was "Inter mediocre"
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Post by: Teproc on October 31, 2014, 09:14:08 pm
That's good to hear. The last description of the movie I heard was "Inter mediocre"

I should note I had no particular expectations for it and knew next to nothing about it. I'm not a Nolan fan or hater (loved Inception, liked the Dark Knight, meh on Batman Begins, hated Dark Night Rises), and that the movie isn't perfect by any means, it just worked perfectly for me, especially on a visual level.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 31, 2014, 09:48:08 pm
How'd you get to see it so early?
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Post by: enfynet on October 31, 2014, 11:06:16 pm
Press and promotional screenings are quite popular.
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Post by: Ichimaru Gin on November 01, 2014, 01:36:43 am
hated Dark Knight Rises
I completely agree. A lot of people I knew were touting it as the best movie of the year at the time, but I had a hard time sitting in the theater to finish watching it. Pretty sad because the Dark Knight was so incredible. Heath Ledger's performance in that movie was unparalleled and also very tragic in light of his death.

I am not sure of the accuracy that Ledger's role in that movie was inspired by Tom Waits. But after watching this interview with Tom Waits, the similarity is pretty striking. I had fun seeing it at least. You can skip to about 1:30 in the video if you just want to get straight to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSc6E4yG9s
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Post by: Teproc on November 01, 2014, 02:12:03 pm
How'd you get to see it so early?

It was an advance screening, there was even an interview with Nolan before the movie (it was in Paris). I think the movie comes out next Wednesday here.
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Post by: Ichimaru Gin on November 08, 2014, 03:48:18 pm
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 08, 2014, 03:50:14 pm
Anyone see Big Hero 6?

I want to see it. Looks like it'll be fun to watch, but no I haven't had time to figure out when I'll go see it.
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Post by: enfynet on November 08, 2014, 08:25:50 pm
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)
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Post by: Kirian on November 08, 2014, 10:59:03 pm
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)

What would be your lower age limit for appropriateness?
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Post by: Ichimaru Gin on November 08, 2014, 11:46:38 pm
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)
Nice. I saw it last night (it only just came out in the States). I thought it was really good.
And man, Stan Lee is awesome! Such a creative person who came up with so much great fiction it's almost unbelievable.
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Post by: enfynet on November 09, 2014, 12:12:52 am
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)

What would be your lower age limit for appropriateness?
Depends on the board child.

Well, there is a bit of action-violence similar to Incredibles. There are also a couple suspenseful scenes that may bother younger children. I'd put it about the same level as the recent How to Train Your Dragon movie. Definitely not as dark as Maleficent. Considerably darker than Lego Movie.
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Post by: Titandrake on November 09, 2014, 12:17:01 am
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)

What would be your lower age limit for appropriateness?

I saw it, thought it was really good too. For appropriateness, it doesn't pull any punches, but it isn't anywhere close to Coraline in pushing the PG rating.
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Post by: Beyond Awesome on November 09, 2014, 01:36:19 am
Saw Birdman tonight.  Really, really good.

Saw this a couple weeks ago too WW. Great film. What did you think of Interstellar?
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2014, 01:53:52 am
Saw Birdman tonight.  Really, really good.

Saw this a couple weeks ago too WW. Great film. What did you think of Interstellar?

I just got back from it.  I thought it was great, intense the entire time. 
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Post by: pingpongsam on November 09, 2014, 10:13:31 am
Anyone see Big Hero 6?
Oct 17th and Nov 4th

Excellent both times. :)

(and of course, being a Marvel-based story, Stan Lee has his cameo.)

What would be your lower age limit for appropriateness?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2245084/parentalguide?ref_=tt_stry_pg
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Post by: enfynet on November 09, 2014, 11:15:16 am
You forgot to use spoiler tags!
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Post by: 2.71828..... on November 09, 2014, 02:45:15 pm
I saw Intserstellar in IMAX Friday, and agree completely with Teproc about his analysis.  Coming in with no real expectations (probably more of an expectation that I wouldn't really like it), I was pleasantly surprised by the movie and really enjoyed it.  Obviously with IMAX made the visual experience amazing, but I would watch it again just regular.
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Post by: enfynet on November 09, 2014, 03:33:57 pm
I'm glad to hear people enjoy it. Seems like advertising gave us less to look forward to, instead of too much like Inception.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2014, 03:45:00 pm
I'm glad to hear people enjoy it. Seems like advertising gave us less to look forward to, instead of too much like Inception.

I think the trailers did a great job about building interest without really giving anything away.  Going into the movie I had no idea how the plot would move along.  I knew the general premise, but was really left wondering the entire time I was watching.
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Post by: pacovf on November 09, 2014, 04:59:31 pm
I saw Intserstellar in IMAX Friday, and agree completely with Teproc about his analysis.  Coming in with no real expectations (probably more of an expectation that I wouldn't really like it), I was pleasantly surprised by the movie and really enjoyed it.  Obviously with IMAX made the visual experience amazing, but I would watch it again just regular.

Just watched it in a normal cinema, knowing only the most basic premise. Some very powerful stuff all the way to the last half an hour, which turned out to be less bad than it looked like it was going to be, so yay?

One character absolutely steals every scene s/he is in. TARS. I've you've seen the movie, you probably don't need to check the spoiler to know who I am talking about.

Also, can somebody explain what the fuck was Dr. Mann's plan? He had planned to kill whoever came to his rescue, as demonstrated by the fact that he must have rigged his robot before going into cryosleep. But he didn't want to go back to Earth, as his last dialogue shows. So if he just wants to ensure the continuation of the Human Race, why not just not send any message at all, and let the Lazarus mission go check Edmund's planet directly?
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Post by: Teproc on November 09, 2014, 06:05:04 pm
Well that's the whole point of his speech to Cooper when they're fighting. If he does what you say, he's not rescued, he never sees another human face again, and he's not the one who saves humanity. The way he planned it, he would have overseen the colonization of Edmund's planet and would've been the hero. Plus, he gets to see people, which he indicated as being a pretty big motivator.

By the way, I hadn't seen any trailers but did people know Matt Damon was in this movie ? I sure didn't, so seeing him pop up was pretty great.
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Post by: Teproc on November 09, 2014, 06:08:08 pm
On another note, I just saw Life of Pi on DVD. I know, I'm a little late to the party, but man that movie is great, even without the 3D (which I was a little worried about).

It occured to me at several moments that this is what a Miyazaki live action movie would look like.
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Post by: pacovf on November 09, 2014, 06:20:05 pm
Well that's the whole point of his speech to Cooper when they're fighting. If he does what you say, he's not rescued, he never sees another human face again, and he's not the one who saves humanity. The way he planned it, he would have overseen the colonization of Edmund's planet and would've been the hero. Plus, he gets to see people, which he indicated as being a pretty big motivator.

By the way, I hadn't seen any trailers but did people know Matt Damon was in this movie ? I sure didn't, so seeing him pop up was pretty great.


I didn't know Matt Damon was in the movie, and I was actually not 100% sure it was him, so every scene he was in was quite distressing.

If he just wanted to see another human face, planning to kill the rescue team doesn't strike me as particularly coherent... He could just have recognized he lied, it's not like they would have left him there.
I didn't gather either that he wanted to be a hero. His final words are that he doesn't care whether any of them live or die, just that the Human Race is saved. Forcing the final Ranger to go down onto his planet seems to go against that objective.
Wanting to be a hero would make sense, but I didn't get that impression at all. He seemed fine with being a coward, but an alive one. Trying to kill the rescue team seems to be an unnecessary risk for someone who at that point seems to be motivated only by his survival instinct.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2014, 06:31:47 pm
Well that's the whole point of his speech to Cooper when they're fighting. If he does what you say, he's not rescued, he never sees another human face again, and he's not the one who saves humanity. The way he planned it, he would have overseen the colonization of Edmund's planet and would've been the hero. Plus, he gets to see people, which he indicated as being a pretty big motivator.

By the way, I hadn't seen any trailers but did people know Matt Damon was in this movie ? I sure didn't, so seeing him pop up was pretty great.


The Matt Damon thing was actually hidden.  Nolan kept it secret until release.  See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2014, 06:34:28 pm
Well that's the whole point of his speech to Cooper when they're fighting. If he does what you say, he's not rescued, he never sees another human face again, and he's not the one who saves humanity. The way he planned it, he would have overseen the colonization of Edmund's planet and would've been the hero. Plus, he gets to see people, which he indicated as being a pretty big motivator.

By the way, I hadn't seen any trailers but did people know Matt Damon was in this movie ? I sure didn't, so seeing him pop up was pretty great.


I didn't know Matt Damon was in the movie, and I was actually not 100% sure it was him, so every scene he was in was quite distressing.

If he just wanted to see another human face, planning to kill the rescue team doesn't strike me as particularly coherent... He could just have recognized he lied, it's not like they would have left him there.
I didn't gather either that he wanted to be a hero. His final words are that he doesn't care whether any of them live or die, just that the Human Race is saved. Forcing the final Ranger to go down onto his planet seems to go against that objective.
Wanting to be a hero would make sense, but I didn't get that impression at all. He seemed fine with being a coward, but an alive one. Trying to kill the rescue team seems to be an unnecessary risk for someone who at that point seems to be motivated only by his survival instinct.


Well, he had already lied to get people to come to his planet, by sending out the beacon that his planet had promise.  I'm not exactly sure what his plan was once he got off and took control of the main ship, though.
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Post by: Teproc on November 09, 2014, 08:47:24 pm
He does say something about never even considering that his planet wouldn't be the right one. That's where I get the idea that he wanted to be the one doing the actual colonization, as well as the fact that he lead the first expedition originally. I don't think that's necessarily contradictory with his survival instict.
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Post by: Beyond Awesome on November 09, 2014, 09:14:01 pm
He does say something about never even considering that his planet wouldn't be the right one. That's where I get the idea that he wanted to be the one doing the actual colonization, as well as the fact that he lead the first expedition originally. I don't think that's necessarily contradictory with his survival instict.

His plan wasn't to kill the crew. He didn't want to die alone, and as he stated, he thought his planet would be the one. He couldn't live with the fact that his wasn't and that he would die alone, so he sent a beacon saying his planet was good, and he probably figured that they could repopulate another planet as well. Cooper was planning on taking the shuttle back to Earth but insisted on seeing the "atmospheric" part of Mann's planet that could host terrestrial beings. Dr. Mann realizes that Cooper will likely go back home instead of going to Edmund's planet, so he tries to kill Cooper. He realizes he f'd up though, so he maroons Dr. Brand and the other guy, well, explodes.
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Post by: pacovf on November 10, 2014, 05:14:23 am
He does say something about never even considering that his planet wouldn't be the right one. That's where I get the idea that he wanted to be the one doing the actual colonization, as well as the fact that he lead the first expedition originally. I don't think that's necessarily contradictory with his survival instict.

His plan wasn't to kill the crew. He didn't want to die alone, and as he stated, he thought his planet would be the one. He couldn't live with the fact that his wasn't and that he would die alone, so he sent a beacon saying his planet was good, and he probably figured that they could repopulate another planet as well. Cooper was planning on taking the shuttle back to Earth but insisted on seeing the "atmospheric" part of Mann's planet that could host terrestrial beings. Dr. Mann realizes that Cooper will likely go back home instead of going to Edmund's planet, so he tries to kill Cooper. He realizes he f'd up though, so he maroons Dr. Brand and the other guy, well, explodes.

The problem with that theory is that it assumes that Dr. Mann decides to kill the crew after they arrive, but that is false. He booby-trapped KIPP before he went to cryosleep.
I missed the part where he said that he had never considered that his planet wouldn't be the one. That makes a little bit more sense. It still doesn't really justify trying to kill the crew, but I guess it's good enough.


Still discussing Interstellar in those spoilers, in case anyone is wondering.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 10, 2014, 02:26:31 pm
More Interstellar:

Since 23 years outside the influence of Gargantua transpired while they were on the water planet, they spent about 3 hours (say, 3.4) on the water planet.  But the entire sequence once they got back on the ship and rode the huge wave seemed to have no time cuts, and only lasted a few minutes.  He asks how long until the engines drain and TARS (or whomever) tells him 45-50 minutes.  Then arguing and all of the sudden 5 minutes.  Am I misremembering there being no time cut?  I saw this brought up on another forum as well.

And, even if that full 50 minutes passed, that only makes up a third of the three hours.  Some time was spent getting down to the planet and back, but that must not have been that long, since they didn't plan to be gone decades.  I got the impression they only intended on spending 15 minutes total (~2ish years).  So riding the wave itself took time, but probably not an hour.  Presumably some more time passed from when the wave went down to the "45 minutes to drain engines" mark, but I don't recall evidence that that time elapsed.

Anyone else notice this?
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Post by: Eevee on November 11, 2014, 05:56:33 pm
Just went to see Interstellar. It's pretty amazing how little I liked it considering it had my favorite actor as the lead, my favorite director and composer and a very elite supporting cast.

I'm not a sci-fi guy by any stretch of imagination, so that might be a part of it. I wish they had a camera there to capture my facial impression when I realized what the last 30 minutes were going to be like, though.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 12, 2014, 09:53:55 am
I saw Big Hero 6. Fun little movie. It has heartbreak, comedy, and action. Pretty good stuff.

Shockingly, not a romance. Well, that's probably for the best, since the main character is a 14-year-old boy, but the rest of the team are coed college students, and there wasn't a single love blossoming. I actually found that refreshing, as it does get tiresome to see the obligatory romance. And there certainly were opportunities for it to happen.

But it was enjoyable. It also portrayed an interesting fusion of American and Japanese cultures. Cue 'Murica outrage in 3, 2, …eh.
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Post by: enfynet on November 12, 2014, 10:28:15 am
Welcome to San Fransokyo!

I did enjoy seeing some of the future tech that is currently in R&D show up in this movie.
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Post by: Titandrake on November 12, 2014, 11:05:26 pm
I saw Big Hero 6. Fun little movie. It has heartbreak, comedy, and action. Pretty good stuff.

Shockingly, not a romance. Well, that's probably for the best, since the main character is a 14-year-old boy, but the rest of the team are coed college students, and there wasn't a single love blossoming. I actually found that refreshing, as it does get tiresome to see the obligatory romance. And there certainly were opportunities for it to happen.

But it was enjoyable. It also portrayed an interesting fusion of American and Japanese cultures. Cue 'Murica outrage in 3, 2, …eh.

They probably reached their quota with Baymax/everyone. Seriously, Baymax is too cute.
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Post by: ashersky on November 19, 2014, 10:33:46 pm
Did anyone ever see Snowpiercer?  I know it's old now, but I saw ads for it on iTunes and was intrigued.  I'm wondering if it's worth it, or if it's just Divergent on a Train.
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Post by: enfynet on November 19, 2014, 10:49:10 pm
I enjoyed it quite a bit more than Divergent. It has obvious political messages in it, but I quite liked it dispite that.

Nightcrawler was not what I expected. But it was quite good.

Interstellar was not stellar, but it was made well.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 25, 2014, 12:16:29 pm
Did anyone ever see Snowpiercer?  I know it's old now, but I saw ads for it on iTunes and was intrigued.  I'm wondering if it's worth it, or if it's just Divergent on a Train.

Snowpiercer is a really fun movie. I was a little wary of it because the concept is so ludicrous.

But you know, if you accept the ridiculousness of the premise, it has a pretty powerful class story. Kind of reminds me of Brave New World in that regard.

You have to go in ready to appreciate the sociopolitical story and not the "sci-fi" story. Also avoid other things like what the hell are the rich doing to deserve to be rich? Then again, that can be part of the message. Many people are rich today that didn't do anything to deserve it. They were just born in the right conditions to be considered rich.
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Post by: KingZog3 on January 08, 2015, 09:42:27 pm
I just watched RockNRolla and Revolver, two Guy Ritchie movies that I hadn't seen before. I enjoyed them, despite Revolver getting terrible reviews when it came out.

I also watched Psycho for the first time. It's got amazing shots, and Norman Bates is played really well. But the horror doesn't stand the test of time, at least for me. The best line is at the end when they are discussing why he dresses up like his mother, and a police officer yells loudly "He's a transvestite!"
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Post by: AndrewisFTTW on January 09, 2015, 01:44:55 am
Speaking of vintage horror, have you guys seen Nosferatu? It's pretty goddamn creepy.
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Post by: enfynet on January 11, 2015, 11:08:31 pm
Speaking of vintage horror, have you guys seen Nosferatu? It's pretty goddamn creepy.
I either own it or have it in my Amazon cart. It is pretty impressive considering how old it is.
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Post by: KingZog3 on January 12, 2015, 01:21:26 am
Speaking of vintage horror, have you guys seen Nosferatu? It's pretty goddamn creepy.
I either own it or have it in my Amazon cart. It is pretty impressive considering how old it is.

Yeah, I've been meaning to watch it. The Shining too. Haven't seen it and I need to.

Actually on the topic of horror, I watched "What we do in the Shadows." It was very funny, and I thought it was fairly original. I really enjoyed it.
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Post by: pingpongsam on January 27, 2015, 06:54:47 pm
Finally caved to all the pressure and watched Gravity. Was pleasantly surprised. Only let down was Sandra surviving.
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Post by: KingZog3 on January 27, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
Finally caved to all the pressure and watched Gravity. Was pleasantly surprised. Only let down was Sandra surviving.

It was decent. Certainly the visuals were the best part.
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Post by: Teproc on January 27, 2015, 07:03:57 pm
Finally caved to all the pressure and watched Gravity. Was pleasantly surprised. Only let down was Sandra surviving.

Um, spoiler alert ?

I mean I probably won't ever see it because I don't see the point of seeing it on DvD, but still...
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Post by: Ichimaru Gin on January 27, 2015, 07:12:43 pm
Finally caved to all the pressure and watched Gravity. Was pleasantly surprised. Only let down was Sandra surviving.
I'll put spoilers just in case.
My favorite part was probably the end, when she finally makes it back to earth. That change in feeling between the rest of the movie with her floating in space and relative greyness and to return to the relative safety, color, and solidness of earth--it was pretty amazing.
Google gave it away for free not to long ago, which was pretty awesome.
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Post by: pingpongsam on January 27, 2015, 08:13:22 pm
Yeah, I got the free copy which went a long way towards convincing me to watch a Sandra Bullock film. Visuals were certainly A+ but the dialogue and thematic elements carry the movie. I watched it on an iPad while juggling a baby so I can assure you there was a lot more to such a simple premise than visuals to make the movie.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on January 27, 2015, 09:03:32 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 27, 2015, 10:28:36 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

Swingers!
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Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2015, 11:24:16 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

Swinger's!

No apostrophe.

But yes, absolutely.  Greatest movie ever.

You'd never know it was actually their second movie together.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on January 28, 2015, 12:24:11 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

Swinger's!

No apostrophe.

But yes, absolutely.  Greatest movie ever.

You'd never know it was actually their second movie together.
Second time who and who were together?  Favreau and the director?  Favreau and Vince Vaughn?
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Post by: Ozle on January 28, 2015, 12:59:21 pm
I watched Expendables 2 the other night. Great Movie. Can I join in the discussion?
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 28, 2015, 01:39:16 pm
I watched Expendables 2 the other night. Great Movie. Can I join in the discussion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imhcq5s9OLs
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Post by: Jorbles on January 28, 2015, 01:41:51 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

I loved Swingers, but could not get into Chef. Everything just seemed to wrap up too neat and perfectly for him. I dunno, maybe I just expected something more complex. I don't think it helped that I'd recently seen The 5-Year Engagement though, which has an incredibly similar plotline for the career of the male lead (with the digression of working at a bakery in between the A-->Z).
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Post by: ashersky on January 28, 2015, 08:32:14 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

Swinger's!

No apostrophe.

But yes, absolutely.  Greatest movie ever.

You'd never know it was actually their second movie together.
Second time who and who were together?  Favreau and the director?  Favreau and Vince Vaughn?

Favs and Vaughn.
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Post by: ashersky on January 28, 2015, 08:33:21 pm
I watched my first Jon Favreau film a week or so ago.  It was really well executed, and a great story, and well acted.  Whether you are a foodie or not, I recommend Chef.

I loved Swingers, but could not get into Chef. Everything just seemed to wrap up too neat and perfectly for him. I dunno, maybe I just expected something more complex. I don't think it helped that I'd recently seen The 5-Year Engagement though, which has an incredibly similar plotline for the career of the male lead (with the digression of working at a bakery in between the A-->Z).

I enjoyed it as a happy, fun movie to watch with the wife.  Some chuckles, some smiles.  I think a prequel would be interesting, with lots of Iron Man in it.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on January 31, 2015, 05:07:52 pm
So I've just thrown on Edge of Tomorrow, with Tom Cruise.  I'm taking a break to put dinner in the oven, and the movie is at the point where I've just discovered this is a Groundhog Day redux.  Is this movie worth continuing, or is it a waste of another hour and 30 minutes?
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Post by: enfynet on January 31, 2015, 08:32:25 pm
I never saw it but I heard very good things about it.
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Post by: Teproc on February 01, 2015, 03:23:14 pm
I never saw it but I heard very good things about it.

Same.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 01, 2015, 03:45:56 pm
I watched the rest of it. Meh.
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Post by: GendoIkari on February 01, 2015, 03:47:58 pm
So I've just thrown on Edge of Tomorrow, with Tom Cruise.  I'm taking a break to put dinner in the oven, and the movie is at the point where I've just discovered this is a Groundhog Day redux.  Is this movie worth continuing, or is it a waste of another hour and 30 minutes?

I wouldn't have ever thought of that as a spoiler; I thought it was a well-known basic plot of the movie.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 01, 2015, 03:51:28 pm
I prefer to err on the side of caution.  Also, we often rent movies knowing absolutely nothing about the movie's plot.  My wife really doesn't like knowing anything about what might or might not happen, and she picked this one out.  When I saw the cover, I thought the name was Live, Die, Repeat, but somehow that didn't sink in.
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Post by: ashersky on February 01, 2015, 11:03:13 pm
I watched the rest of it. Meh.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.  I liked that it didn't take itself TOO seriously, while still being about as serious as you can be with such an outlandish premise.
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Post by: Ichimaru Gin on February 14, 2015, 02:42:12 pm
Just saw Jupiter Ascending last night. I had really low expectations for it having skimmed a few reviews, but I actually found it pretty enjoyable.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 14, 2015, 03:51:25 pm
I watched The Equalizer with Denzel Washington last night, and found it entertaining.  I'll watch Denzel in anything, and this was slightly above average.

Has anyone seen the new Dawn of the Planet of the Apes?  I seem to be in action movie mode lately, and am wondering if it is worthwhile.  I liked the one from 3 or 4 years ago.
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Post by: pacovf on February 14, 2015, 04:27:15 pm
Has anyone seen the new Dawn of the Planet of the Apes?  I seem to be in action movie mode lately, and am wondering if it is worthwhile.  I liked the one from 3 or 4 years ago.

I watched it, and thought it was alright, if not as good as the previous one. It really feels like they were mainly setting up the following movie, while the other one, IMHO, could perfectly stand on its own. The bad guy gets a couple of brilliant scenes, though.
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Post by: GendoIkari on February 14, 2015, 07:31:00 pm
I prefer to err on the side of caution.  Also, we often rent movies knowing absolutely nothing about the movie's plot.  My wife really doesn't like knowing anything about what might or might not happen, and she picked this one out.  When I saw the cover, I thought the name was Live, Die, Repeat, but somehow that didn't sink in.

So the name of that movie was actually changed for the DVD release. It's weird.
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Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2015, 11:47:32 am
I saw Kingsman over the weekend. It's pretty decent. I've not read the source material, so I cannot say how true to the original it is.

One negative I read about this movie is that it seems to be split between two genres: grim violence or schlocky superspy. I didn't mind it so much, but I can see how some people were turned off by it.

I was really impressed with how Samuel L. Jackson can portray such a nonintimidating persona while still presenting the threat of destruction. A villain doesn't have to exude evil to be nasty; he just needs the will to follow through on his crazy scheme. The kid did a pretty good job. Colin Firth also did a pretty good job; he really sold the action spy character. Michael Caine, unfortunately, was just underused. And I don't mean in terms in screen time. He's a phenomenal actor, but the few scenes he had were just kind of flat. Honestly, they could have inserted just about any actor for 1/10 the price.

For the most part, I enjoyed the movie, so I just have a small list of gripes.

I thought the church scene went far too long. In a sense, that scene was a success because it shows just how nasty Valentine's mind rays can be, even going so far as to affect those who are sworn to protect the world. I was surprised at Galahad just flat-out murdering that woman, and I was waiting for the reveal that he knew she was an enemy spy all along or something. Nope, he simply fell victim to the very plot he was investigating. After that slaughter, it made sense for Galahad to be killed because the movie was just a little too light-hearted to show him dealing with the wracking guilt of mass murder. Valentine shooting Galahad was plenty dark (and yet they still threw in humor with his fear of blood). Regardless of how successful the scene was, it could have been cut by at least 2/3. It's cool to watch the action hero take down soldiers. It's a little uncomfortable watching the action hero murder innocent victims (even if they were all dicks, which was a nice touch to make the audience not feel too sorry for them).

The end gag really seemed out of place. Yeah, there are plenty of jokes and bad language around, but the banter between Eggsy and the princess felt too forced. I can get the homage to previous spy films where the action hero gets the girl, but it just felt like this scene was played up for the sake of being vulgar and not clever. The rest of the film was so clever, so this scene was kind of jarring.

The fireworks were…well, it was an awesome scene, but the CGI fireworks accompanying the exploding heads looked off. This was obviously a very expensive movie, and it just looks like they didn't want to mess with rigging up multiple exploding heads. Maybe that's true, and I couldn't fault them for wanting to give that a miss. Maybe it was just cheaper to superimpose colorful puffs of smock, but it also looked like it. Still, while it looked cheap, it was a very effective scene with Pomp and Circumstance playing.

The setup was a bit slow-going. The 1997 opening was a sloppy introduction to the characters. It didn't help they were dressed in a way that made them hard to recognize. Who is Galahad? Well, apparently he's this guy in 2015, and fortunately we know that because he said so. To be honest, I couldn't tell you if the other characters in 1997 were one-shots or recurring characters. And then there's the building up of Eggsy. It's a helluva training montage, but it was hard to gauge time passing, though the use of the puppies did help with that. That was probably the most clever part of the training montage.

Finally, I leave this hilarious review of the movie: http://www.moviechambers.com/2015/02/12/movie-review-kingsman-the-secret-service/

I say hilarious because this guy seems to think that the choices made during the film are some right-wing conspiracies. I had a laugh over the claims that V for Vendetta was criticizing Bush, so it's only fair that I laugh at this. Yes, the villain is an eco-freak, but I view it as just another motivation for a crazy megalomaniac. I mean, does Die Hard demonize capitalism because the villain is stealing money? Furthermore, so what if Obama is shown as having joined the dark side? Of all the world leaders, Obama is the most recognizable to Americans (no idea if the film in other countries may show other leaders, but I'm sure Obama is still pretty recognizable to them). The conspiracy goes to the very top, and what better way to show that than with the "leader of the free world" casting his lot with Valentine? They sure couldn't have shown Bush or Clinton. And while having fake presidents can work (see 24), it only works if you introduce that character as the president, which would have added more time to an already-long movie. So I feel this reviewer missed the mark and has his opinions clouded by the bogeyman.

Would I go see it again? Perhaps as a matinee. I don't foresee myself owning this movie, but it was pretty fun, flaws and all.
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Post by: enfynet on February 17, 2015, 12:07:09 pm
I'm so used to watching movies for free that I've started to forget people need value worth more than just their time. I do want to see Kingsman. I'm not a huge fan of excessive violence, but I rather enjoy most every spy movie.
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Post by: Kuildeous on February 17, 2015, 12:14:44 pm
I'm so used to watching movies for free that I've started to forget people need value worth more than just their time. I do want to see Kingsman. I'm not a huge fan of excessive violence, but I rather enjoy most every spy movie.

Many reviewers have compared the violence in Kingsman to that of Kick-Ass. Apparently, they're both done by the same director. I would agree that Kick-Ass is a pretty good litmus test. If you were not uncomfortable with the degree of violence and language in Kick-Ass, then that won't bother you in Kingsman. As an added bonus, Kingsman does not feature a 12-year-old girl constantly being put into mortal danger, though there is a toddler who is put in danger in one scene (and it's best not to think about how many other children were killed during the incident; the ramifications of this plot are quite huge).
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Post by: ashersky on February 18, 2015, 08:46:31 pm
I finally got to watch TMNT on a flight recently.  It lived up to expectations.
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Post by: KingZog3 on February 18, 2015, 10:00:24 pm
I finally got to watch TMNT on a flight recently.  It lived up to expectations.

Which were very low I imagine.
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Post by: enfynet on February 19, 2015, 09:20:03 am
I finally got to watch TMNT on a flight recently.  It lived up to expectations.
TMNT from ten years ago? Or the live action film from last year?
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 19, 2015, 02:42:45 pm
I watched a movie last night that is still on my mind today.  The premise was unusual, enveloping, and as it turns out, haunting, possibly in a disturbing way.

The movie was In Time, with Olivia Wilde (small part), Justin Timberlake and Amanda Seyfried.  I just can't get it out of my mind.
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Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 02:49:24 pm
The premise was cute, but the movie itself was toying with the "So bad, it's good" line.

Case in point, the following quote:

"NO ONE should be immortal, if even one person has to die", delivered as a one-liner.

Think about it two seconds.
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2015, 02:49:46 pm
I watched a movie last night that is still on my mind today.  The premise was unusual, enveloping, and as it turns out, haunting, possibly in a disturbing way.

The movie was In Time, with Olivia Wilde (small part), Justin Timberlake and Amanda Seyfried.  I just can't get it out of my mind.

Oh, I remember seeing previews, but I couldn't tell if it was cool Sci Fi or gimmicky Sci Fi.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 19, 2015, 02:55:58 pm
The premise was cute, but the movie itself was toying with the "So bad, it's good" line.

Case in point, the following quote:

"NO ONE should be immortal, if even one person has to die", delivered as a one-liner.

Think about it two seconds.

When did the price go up? Yesterday it was one second.

And I didn't hear it delivered as a one liner, on either occurrence.  I thought it was a simple remonstration against stealing someone else's allotted time just so you could add to yours - a morality prounouncement.
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Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 03:04:29 pm
I only remember it being delivered once, by Timberlake just after he learns about the whole scheme; it was a one-liner in the sense that it was used to shut down the other guy's rant. Then again I watched it a long time ago, so I might have forgotten.

I know what he was trying to say. It's just that what he ended up saying was mindboggingly dumb. I was using it as proof of the quality of the writing.
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Post by: Teproc on February 19, 2015, 03:30:28 pm
This year I decided to watch all the movies nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars (and Césars but I expect no one here cares about that). I'm not sure why I did it, it's not like I believe the Oscars are an actual representation of the best movies have to offer, but it's nice to be able to follow the conversation. A brief summary (in order of how good they - objectively of coure - are). Apologies in advance for the wall of text.

1. The Grand Budapest Hotel. Man that was a fun movie, one I anticipate rewatching, which is not something I usually do. It's very funny, moves along at a breakneck pace and looks gorgeous. If the word "whimsy" doesn't bother you, you should absolutely see this. Definitely the most fun movie of the year (GOTG comes close but drags at times).

2. Boyhood. I had the chance to see this back in the summer when it hadn't been hyped to death. It's really great. It is perhaps a tiny little bit too long, but the actors are great (even the kids), the story is deeply relatable and I love the choice made to skip past the "big" moments and focus more on everyday life, in a way. That makes it sound boring I suppose, but it really isn't. Don't expect to be blown away though, it's not really that kind of movie, and I feel a lot of the backlash it's received was by people who were mislead by the hype.

3. Whiplash. I honestly wasn't entirely convinced about that one before the final scene, which is just amazing and significantly elevated the whole thing for me. It's an incredibly intense movie, and I don't think you have to particularly enjoy jazz or drumming to like it. Don't expect a "fun time" per se though, as I said it's very intense and fairly dark.

4. Selma. I like the trend of biopics focusing on a specific part of the person's life, and this does it very well, going pretty deep on the amount of strategizing that went into planning the Selma march. I don't think the movie is great as its attempts to make me care about MLK's relationship with his wife completely failed (not that I ddn't want to, I just think the movie only does it half-heartedly), but it's definitely worth watching.

5. The Theory of Everything. I fully expected to be bored to tears because I don't generally enjoy biopics, but this worked for me. Its nothing special and there's certainly nothing new, but the performance by Eddie Redmayne (who plays Stephen Hawking) is amazing and makes the whole movie work and kept me engaged throughout.

6. The Imitation Game. This is what I mean when I say I don't generally enjoy biopics. I don't really have a specific criticism to make about te movie, but I was bored, very bored. On paper it should have been much more thrilling that The Theory of Everything, with Enigma serving as an actual story to be told rather than just the Turing's life, but nope. I also completely disagree about a moment the movie tries to play as heroic but that actually is incredibly pretentious on the main character's part.

7. Birdman. Now this is an interesting movie, no doubt about that. The visual aspect of it, how it looks like it's shot in one take and the music are both amazing. However it's all an empty shell. The movie tried to be both a satire and a glorification of Hollywood, you never quite know if the actors are doing self-parody or if you're actually supposed to take them seriously, and that's because te movie quite simply has nothing to say about anything, despite being very pretentious about it. It looks like it's likely to win too, which pisses me off a bit.

8. American Sniper. I don't really buy the controversy about it glorifying the Irak War, because I just don't think this movie aims to pick any side. On anything. It's basically an action movie that seems like it also wants to talk about PTSD for a minute, until it decides PTSD isn't really that big a deal and that real Americans just decide to get better one day. Even the actions scenes are sometimes a little ridiculous. The only good thing about it is Bradley Cooper's performance, but that's it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2015, 03:46:45 pm
I don't remember if I brought this up here or not, but if you liked Boyhood, the same director did Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, and Before Midnight.  All starting Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy.  Some of my favorite movies.

Birdman was extremely good, probably my favorite movie I saw last year.  Boyhood was close as well.  I only saw the last portion of The Grand Budapest Hotel while flipping through channels one night, but what I saw was quite good.  The others I haven't seen, but I really want to see The Theory of Everything and The Imitation Game, partly because they're supposed to be good, but primarily because I'm interested in the subjects.
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Post by: Teproc on February 19, 2015, 03:52:08 pm
Yeah I know about the Before movies, I'm definitely interested in seeing them, probably will a some point.

Since you loved Birdman : what did you take away from the movie, aside from the technical/visual achievment ?
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2015, 04:13:08 pm
Yeah I know about the Before movies, I'm definitely interested in seeing them, probably will a some point.

Since you loved Birdman : what did you take away from the movie, aside from the technical/visual achievment ?

Well, there was a lot of, uh.. self reference?  Symbolism?  I mean... having Keaton play a famous superhero actor who was remembered for his one favorite role but was internally struggling to do something meaningful, while Keaton himself is primarily known for his Batman role and has fallen out of the spotlight in recent years.  Having Edward Norton play a character who has a quirky acting style and is notoriously hard to work with, while those same kind of rumors surround him in real life.  And both Norton and Emma Stone have been in superhero movies (Norton played Hulk, Emma Stone was in one of the Spidermans).  Moreover, Keaton essentially created the realization of the super hero movie.  These movies existed before Batman, but Batman was the first one that reached a big audience and made it possible (i.e., money-making) for others.  And now superhero movies dominate the box office.  So in itself the premise of an actor that popularized the superhero business in an "artsy" film about an actor that played a popular superhero that wants to now do something serious amuses me.

I think a big thing was issues of self-worth and identity.  Obviously, Keaton's character was struggling to remain meaningful, to do something that was fulfilling to him.  And there was a struggle between being successful and doing something worthwhile, that he could actually be proud of.  Birdman in a way represented selling out.  And also, while he was successful as Birdman, he was a failure at his personal life (divorced, estranged daughter). But also Norton's character portrayed the identity crisis of an actor.. the who are you really if you just pretend to be people? kind of thing.  He basically blatantly said this, plus the thing with the impotence and only being able to get an erection on the stage.  And the entire real-life/fantasy ambiguity is probably symbolic of the identity crisis.

But aside from that.. man, it was just awesome to watch.  I think the acting was tremendous, the storytelling kept me wanting to see what would happen next the entire time, and it was very funny at times. 

And, the entire time I was watching it I simply had no idea what was going to happen or where they were going.  I like movies that do that (while still managing to make sense at the end).
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Post by: KingZog3 on February 19, 2015, 04:13:57 pm
Everyone I've talked to says Birdman was amazing, both film people and people who know nothing about film. I have yet to see it though.
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Post by: Kuildeous on February 19, 2015, 04:26:22 pm
while Keaton himself is primarily known for his Batman role

Great, now I feel old.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 19, 2015, 05:08:40 pm
I feel your pain (plus my arthritis).
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Post by: Teproc on February 19, 2015, 05:10:38 pm
But aside from that.. man, it was just awesome to watch.  I think the acting was tremendous, the storytelling kept me wanting to see what would happen next the entire time, and it was very funny at times. 

And, the entire time I was watching it I simply had no idea what was going to happen or where they were going.  I like movies that do that (while still managing to make sense at the end).

Ok, well I agree with that first part (with a caveat on Keaton's performance), not so much with the "still making sense" part.

@Kuildeous : What else would Keaton primarly be known for ? The next biggest movie I can think of would be Jackie Brown, but it's more recent so I doubt that's what you're referring to.
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 19, 2015, 05:11:10 pm
Johnny Dangerously!  And Beetlejuice. 
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Post by: Donald X. on February 19, 2015, 05:18:13 pm
@Kuildeous : What else would Keaton primarly be known for ? The next biggest movie I can think of would be Jackie Brown, but it's more recent so I doubt that's what you're referring to.
Once, he had mainly been in comedies. When he was cast in Batman, there was backlash from fans; that guy from Mr. Mom, you've gotta be kidding me, he can't be Batman.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 19, 2015, 05:34:41 pm
Johnny Dangerously!  And Beetlejuice.
Michael Keaton = Beetlejuice will always be true for me.

I don't really fall into the "Mr. Mom can't be Batman" category, but I was definitely not interested in seeing him play the role.  Although, I guess I'm not interested in seeing anyone play the role, now that I think about it.

Fun fact: His given name was Michael Douglas.
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Post by: Ozle on February 19, 2015, 07:29:39 pm
!  And Beetlejuice.

That's twice now...
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Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2015, 09:46:54 pm
!  And Beetlejuice.

That's twice now...

What, Beetlejuice?
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Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2015, 09:47:20 pm
I finally got to watch TMNT on a flight recently.  It lived up to expectations.
TMNT from ten years ago? Or the live action film from last year?

The live action film from last year.  Or, as some call it, the Megan Fox vehicle.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on February 20, 2015, 08:44:29 am
Once, he had mainly been in comedies. When he was cast in Batman, there was backlash from fans; that guy from Mr. Mom, you've gotta be kidding me, he can't be Batman.

This was the big hubbub at the time. Keaton wasn't the first actor to transition from comedy actor to action hero, but that was one of the largest foofaraws considering how well known Batman was. Sure, Bruce Willis did the same thing, but his comedic offerings weren't quite as big as Keaton. Also, Die Hard wasn't drawing on already established material.

Going from Mr. Mom to Batman stretched a lot of our imaginations. And then there's the fact that the mainstream idea of Batman was the schlocky show from the 60s. There were people seriously expecting Michael Keaton with cartoonish onomatopoeia plastered everywhere. Thank goodness Tim Burton was able to twist it to his own vision. No, Jack Nicholson's portrayal was not as grim as Heath Ledger's, but ole Jack did bring about a twisted sadism not before seen in mainstream Batman.

And thanks to Keaton shattering preconceptions about him, I generally do not pass judgment on actors taking on roles that differ from what they're known for. Sometimes the actor shouldn't have tried to go outside his comfort zone, but he/she should at least be given the chance to fail before passing judgment.

Michael Keaton brought the mainstream a whole new Batman, and he's still the best in my mind. Christian Bale could possibly beat him out except that I really don't like the super gruff Batman voice he did. That gripe is probably more aptly aimed at Christopher Nolan, though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on February 21, 2015, 11:21:26 am
Yeah, the most recent Batmans are really good and I really enjoyed the first two, not the third. Until I noticed just how gruff that batman voice is and then it's kind of ridiculous.
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Post by: Teproc on February 21, 2015, 03:13:52 pm
Yeah, the most recent Batmans are really good and I really enjoyed the first two, not the third. Until I noticed just how gruff that batman voice is and then it's kind of ridiculous.

You didn't notice the voice in the first two movies ? I'm jealous.
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Post by: KingZog3 on February 21, 2015, 03:32:18 pm
Yeah, the most recent Batmans are really good and I really enjoyed the first two, not the third. Until I noticed just how gruff that batman voice is and then it's kind of ridiculous.

You didn't notice the voice in the first two movies ? I'm jealous.

I noticed it in the second. But I didn't the first time I watched Batman Begins.
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Post by: enfynet on February 22, 2015, 01:51:40 am
Yeah, the most recent Batmans are really good and I really enjoyed the first two, not the third. Until I noticed just how gruff that batman voice is and then it's kind of ridiculous.

You didn't notice the voice in the first two movies ? I'm jealous.

I noticed it in the second. But I didn't the first time I watched Batman Begins.
Batman Begins is easily the best of the three. His voice is also much more human than the other two films.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on February 25, 2015, 03:07:11 am
I liked Birdman. The acting was great. The dialogue was great. But, I don't feel it wsa Best Picture worthy, at least not this year.

All 8 nominated films were good though. This was the first year I liked every single one of them. However, I have a gut feeling that tells me 20 years from now that Boyhood will be considered a classic up there with Godfather and Citizen Kane.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 14, 2015, 08:38:57 pm
Just watched What We Do in The Shadows... everyone must see this movie.
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Post by: KingZog3 on March 15, 2015, 09:53:25 am
Just watched What We Do in The Shadows... everyone must see this movie.

Agreed. It's a really fun movie. I've been telling all my friends to see it.
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Post by: Kuildeous on March 26, 2015, 12:00:16 pm
Just watched What We Do in The Shadows... everyone must see this movie.

I did see What We Do in Shadows. Very Spinal Tap feel, though it doesn't succeed in looking like a real documentary, but it couldn't, could it? At least not with that storyline. And it's a hilarious documentary spoof.

And now there's an explanation for why vampires prefer to eat virgins. It's so obvious now.
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Post by: KingZog3 on March 26, 2015, 01:55:55 pm
Just watched What We Do in The Shadows... everyone must see this movie.

I did see What We Do in Shadows. Very Spinal Tap feel, though it doesn't succeed in looking like a real documentary, but it couldn't, could it? At least not with that storyline. And it's a hilarious documentary spoof.

And now there's an explanation for why vampires prefer to eat virgins. It's so obvious now.

It felt kind of like a reality show. They talked to the camera and had mini interviews.
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 26, 2015, 01:58:13 pm
Just watched What We Do in The Shadows... everyone must see this movie.

I did see What We Do in Shadows. Very Spinal Tap feel, though it doesn't succeed in looking like a real documentary, but it couldn't, could it? At least not with that storyline. And it's a hilarious documentary spoof.

And now there's an explanation for why vampires prefer to eat virgins. It's so obvious now.

Man, the theater *EXPLODED* in laughter at that.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on March 30, 2015, 10:38:28 am
I need more people on here to watch It Follows and discuss it with me. I could discuss on the IMDB boards, but I have a higher opinion of the people on here. That might not stop me from discussing it on IMDB anyway.

Anyway, I saw this movie 3 days ago, and I think it's set in enough for me to say I really like it. I enjoyed it after my initial viewing, which is nice, but it stayed with me, which is better.

I recommend the movie, but I warn people that it's slow and ponderous. The six negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes mostly addressed the pace and disjunction (one went on a tirade about misogyny). Despite the negative points, each of those critics admits that the film was beautifully shot, so it's not like they trashed the movie (save the misogyny one).

If you didn't see the commercials, go on in with a clean slate. I had no idea about the premise, so I went in with complete ignorance. It was nice to be surprised like that. The opening scene was baffling to me. Why was the girl dressed like that? Why did she move like that? Those questions actually tugged at me more than the obvious question of what happened to her. And that scene makes more sense as you understand the rules of the movie.

Has anyone else here seen it? I often talk to brick walls, but I do prefer to go back and forth.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on March 30, 2015, 04:36:02 pm
I need more people on here to watch It Follows and discuss it with me. I could discuss on the IMDB boards, but I have a higher opinion of the people on here. That might not stop me from discussing it on IMDB anyway.

Anyway, I saw this movie 3 days ago, and I think it's set in enough for me to say I really like it. I enjoyed it after my initial viewing, which is nice, but it stayed with me, which is better.

I recommend the movie, but I warn people that it's slow and ponderous. The six negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes mostly addressed the pace and disjunction (one went on a tirade about misogyny). Despite the negative points, each of those critics admits that the film was beautifully shot, so it's not like they trashed the movie (save the misogyny one).

If you didn't see the commercials, go on in with a clean slate. I had no idea about the premise, so I went in with complete ignorance. It was nice to be surprised like that. The opening scene was baffling to me. Why was the girl dressed like that? Why did she move like that? Those questions actually tugged at me more than the obvious question of what happened to her. And that scene makes more sense as you understand the rules of the movie.

Has anyone else here seen it? I often talk to brick walls, but I do prefer to go back and forth.

I will watch it tonight if I have some time, which I think I will. It sounds interesting to say the least :P Its movies like this that made me start this threat, one movie in particular, but movies that sometimes take more than 1 viewing to fully appreciate.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on April 25, 2015, 09:17:42 pm
I finally watched the Lego Movie. Nice movie. I can see why people liked it.

Kids watching this movie may find reading Brave New World to be something very familiar. I approve of this.

And having finally seen the movie, I am really questioning the use of "Everything is Awesome" during the Oscars. When I saw it at the time, I thought the song was utter shit. And now I see why I came to that conclusion. Even the movie treats it like the shit it is, and the people of the Oscars deemed it worthy to play?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on April 25, 2015, 11:27:50 pm
Lego Movie was fantastic. Chris Pratt really fits the character very well.

Also,

I watched Age of Ultron last week. Our European crowd should have it available now. We American's have to wait a few more days still.

It's going to break more opening records. If you guys don't hear from me for the first few days of May, it's because I went into hiding.
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Post by: pacovf on April 26, 2015, 05:45:25 pm
Does anybody know what Enfynet's job is?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on April 26, 2015, 05:57:40 pm
Does anybody know what Enfynet's job is?
I do!  8)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on April 26, 2015, 05:59:52 pm
You've missed your chance to answer "Huh, please".
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on April 29, 2015, 04:48:56 pm
They forgot to include the ubiquitous swirls for Burton, though I suppose that's just understood.

(http://www.cheekylicious.net/resources/content/photos/140723183449_comic_strip21_web_ori.jpg)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on April 29, 2015, 04:50:48 pm
I'm not sure the implication that Michael Bay is not as bad as Uwe Boll is accurate.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on April 29, 2015, 04:59:49 pm
Michael Bay should have CGI food.

Where's the Joss Whedon equal blend of many flavors?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on April 29, 2015, 05:07:47 pm
Michael Bay should have CGI food.

Where's the Joss Whedon equal blend of many flavors?

And Steven Spielberg should have some CGI dessert or something.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on April 29, 2015, 05:08:48 pm
Michael Bay should have CGI food.

Where's the Joss Whedon equal blend of many flavors?

And Steven Spielberg should have some CGI dessert or something.
Lucas should bring you a new version of the meal just as you start enjoying the one you have.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on April 29, 2015, 05:26:28 pm
Was Spielberg not involved with the prequels?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on April 30, 2015, 07:33:17 am
I watched A Most Violent Year a few days ago and thought it was extremely well acted, with a main character that was well developed.  It's not quite an action flick, so it feels like the beginning is a  little slow, but the protagonist's internal consistency was extremely interesting to watch.

Albert Brooks was in it too, which is a bonus IMO, though his part was small-ish.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on April 30, 2015, 12:39:08 pm
Last night I watched Mullholland Drive. It certainly was strange. It was good though, in a strange movie that makes sense if you think about it kind of way.

It was very creepy though, with the ambiance soundtrack really giving me the spooks. Not to mention that the man behind the diner made me jump in my seat.
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Post by: Witherweaver on April 30, 2015, 12:45:43 pm
Last night I watched Mullholland Drive. It certainly was strange. It was good though, in a strange movie that makes sense if you think about it kind of way.

It was very creepy though, with the ambiance soundtrack really giving me the spooks. Not to mention that the man behind the diner made me jump in my seat.

I suggest watching it multiple times.  The first time I watched it, it was very, very creepy.  I watched it late at night (like, around midnight or so), and the person I was watching it with had fallen asleep close to the beginning.  So I had this weird feeling of not being alone, but actually feeling alone.  I was lost as mesmerized the entire time.  I didn't even know what to think after I finished watching.  I'm not sure a movie has left me feeling quite as strong of an impact before, though Black Swan is close.

The day after, I had a class in the morning.  (I was still in college.)   I spent the entire class looking up explanations and discussions of the movie on the internet.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on April 30, 2015, 01:05:58 pm
It is indeed an interesting and different movie, that bears re-watching.  It stayed with me for several days after I saw it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on April 30, 2015, 09:59:48 pm
Just watched the documentary Life Itself about the life of film critic Roger Ebert.  Well worth watching.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: werothegreat on May 01, 2015, 06:55:43 pm
Everyone I know in my area is studying for finals, so I'm sitting in a movie theater by myself waiting for Avengers to start at the moment.
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Post by: enfynet on May 02, 2015, 12:34:26 am
Everyone I know in my area is studying for finals, so I'm sitting in a movie theater by myself waiting for Avengers to start at the moment.
Still there? There's nothing at the end.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on May 06, 2015, 08:03:33 am
Everyone I know in my area is studying for finals, so I'm sitting in a movie theater by myself waiting for Avengers to start at the moment.
Still there? There's nothing at the end.
Is that a spoiler for (or review of) the movie?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 06, 2015, 08:16:44 am
The satire was too effective. I keep getting "Everything is Awesome" stuck in my head. Damn you, Legos.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on May 06, 2015, 08:26:32 am
The satire was too effective. I keep getting "Everything is Awesome" stuck in my head. Damn you, Legos.
Now I'm confused.  How is the new Avengers (Age of Ultron) related to the Lego movie?  I've seen neither.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 06, 2015, 08:59:55 am
The satire was too effective. I keep getting "Everything is Awesome" stuck in my head. Damn you, Legos.
Now I'm confused.  How is the new Avengers (Age of Ultron) related to the Lego movie?  I've seen neither.

I wasn’t talking about the Avengers (but it's a fun movie).

In the Lego Movie, there is a dystopian world (Huxley would be proud…or horrified) where the denizens were mindlessly placated with a popular song "Everything is Awesome." It's an insipid song with a beat, which means it is on par with most songs on Top 40 radio. It's poking fun at pop culture, but the stupid song is stuck in my head now.

I finally got to see Oblivion on HBO. I remember being so utterly disinterested in the movie when watching the trailers. Needless to say, it turned out better than I expected. I'd say the plot is actually worthy of a Phillip K Dick story. The first half was pretty slow; they could have gotten to the big reveal much sooner, but I don't think that the pacing ruined the movie or anything.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 13, 2015, 02:23:15 pm
So, the men's rights activists are calling to boycott Mad Max. The last I saw, it has 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. I think I'll let the good reviews sway me more than the wave of butthurt. Well, if the movie was getting lousy reviews, I would likely ignore it but not because whiny alpha males demand a boycott.
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Post by: Jorbles on May 13, 2015, 03:13:27 pm
So, the men's rights activists are calling to boycott Mad Max. The last I saw, it has 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. I think I'll let the good reviews sway me more than the wave of butthurt. Well, if the movie was getting lousy reviews, I would likely ignore it but not because whiny alpha males demand a boycott.

Well now that I know men's rights activists are calling for a boycott I basically have to see it.
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Post by: enfynet on May 13, 2015, 03:17:45 pm
What the heck are "men's rights activists"???
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Post by: Awaclus on May 13, 2015, 03:30:02 pm
What the heck are "men's rights activists"???

They're more or less like feminists but focused on men's "rights" instead of women's "rights".
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 13, 2015, 03:55:18 pm
Further discussion about what MRAs are probably deserves its own thread in RSP.

In short, the rants I've heard (from a pretty tiny minority, I understand) say that the Mad Max film is being used as Hollywood propaganda to further the cause of feminism, so it must be boycotted.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 14, 2015, 02:56:19 pm
I'll likely be hitting the drive-in this weekend, and Mad Max is one of the movies we'll see. The other movie pairing could be either Age of Ultron or Furious 7. We've already seen AoU, though we're not opposed to seeing it again. Furious 7 does not really interest me, but it has pretty good tomatoes, so it must be better than I give credit for. Maybe I will actually watch a Furious movie.

My question is if I should have seen any of the prequels or know what's going on to enjoy Furious 7. Has anyone seen it that can give some insight?
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Post by: KingZog3 on May 14, 2015, 04:19:52 pm
Fast and Furious movies are mindless silly action. You might miss a reference, but I'm sure the plot will be easy to understand, along with the fake looking CGI.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on May 15, 2015, 07:49:50 am
I was sick for basically the whole week (feeling a little better now) and thus found myself with some idle time... and decided to watch the whole MCU in order, after recently having seen Avengers 2. Soo...

I'd wall of text it but I'm lazy, so short version (I had already seen Iron Man, Avengers and Guardians, all the others were new to me) :

Iron Man : Good
The Incredible Hulk : Awful
Iron Man 2 : Very bad
Thor : Mediocre
Captain America : The First Avenger : Bad
The Avengers : Excellent

Iron Man 3 : Bad
Thor : The Dark World : Mediocre
Captain America : The Winter Soldier : Very good
Guardians of the Galaxy : Very good
The Avengers : Age of Ultron : Pretty good

Man, phase 1 was disappointing. They're on a decent streak right now though, hope  that continues.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 15, 2015, 08:19:15 am
www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-avengers-are-bad-guys-marvel-movies/

This may be of interest to you, since you mostly did the same thing. What I find hilarious is that so much happened globally in a single week, and there isn't some weird media buzz going on.

That's why when the Daredevil series shows a newspaper clipping about the alien attack in New York, it helped put you back into the Marvel universe, though only briefly.
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Post by: werothegreat on May 15, 2015, 11:10:33 am
MAD MAX WAS AWESOME

GO SEE IT

NOW
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on May 15, 2015, 11:49:24 am
I actually think they're wrong about the Avengers. Both movies specifically take the time to show the Avengers saving civilians to establish them as heroes. This is even arguably the whole point of Age of Ultron. The whole thing they go on about every problem being caused by the Marvel characters is also adressed in Age of Ultron.

The rest boils down to : these movies aren't consistent and mostly don't make sense. Which, yeah.

They do get at a significant problem in phase two though, specifically in The Dark World and Winter Soldier which is that having monumental threats to humanity in the individual movies is a bad idea because itbreaks the willing suspension of disbelief that these guys wouldn't just call each other up to deal with problems. That didn't happen so much in phase 1 : Captain America is in WW2 so no one to call there, Iron Man is mostly dealing with dudes who want to kill him specifically, Thor's problems are also all Asgard-centric, and The Hulk is also fighting for survival.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 15, 2015, 12:06:40 pm
Yeah, the plotline for Winter Soldier was epic enough that it could have been another Avengers movie.

And it's not like Cap couldn't have trusted calling Tony for some help. He may not like him much, but he trusts him (though Age of Ultron strains that because Tony). So some disbelief had to be suspended for Winter Soldier. It's a great story that assumes that Cap and Natasha were the only heroes affected by this. As a Marvel movie, it flounders a little.
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Post by: enfynet on May 15, 2015, 01:36:42 pm
I actually think they're wrong about the Avengers. Both movies specifically take the time to show the Avengers saving civilians to establish them as heroes. This is even arguably the whole point of Age of Ultron. The whole thing they go on about every problem being caused by the Marvel characters is also adressed in Age of Ultron.

The rest boils down to : these movies aren't consistent and mostly don't make sense. Which, yeah.

They do get at a significant problem in phase two though, specifically in The Dark World and Winter Soldier which is that having monumental threats to humanity in the individual movies is a bad idea because it breaks the willing suspension of disbelief that these guys wouldn't just call each other up to deal with problems. That didn't happen so much in phase 1 : Captain America is in WW2 so no one to call there, Iron Man is mostly dealing with dudes who want to kill him specifically, Thor's problems are also all Asgard-centric, and The Hulk is also fighting for survival.
The Earth-Threatening events in The Dark World happen within a matter of hours. Even The Avengers need more time to respond than that. The local military is the first on the scene.

The Winter Soldier takes place over maybe 2 days, of which SHIELD is basically crippled so there isn't much open communication. Until the climax, the rest of the world is probably being told by SHIELD to stay out of it.

Iron Man 3 is probably the most expansive of the Earth-bound Phase 2 movies, and no one complains about The Avengers not showing up because Tony has his Iron Legion thing going on.

In contrast, The Avengers and Age of Ultron have the team together well before the climax. They are actually pursuing the threat together.
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Post by: Witherweaver on May 15, 2015, 01:39:06 pm
..

Ang Lee Hulk was a good movie.  I don't understand why it got so much hate.  (I know you were talking about the MCU Incredible Hulk, but it made me think of this.)
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Post by: pacovf on May 15, 2015, 07:37:12 pm
Teproc is back! :D I missed you!


I was sick for basically the whole week (feeling a little better now) and thus found myself with some idle time... and decided to watch the whole MCU in order, after recently having seen Avengers 2. Soo...

I'd wall of text it but I'm lazy, so short version (I had already seen Iron Man, Avengers and Guardians, all the others were new to me) :

Iron Man : Good
The Incredible Hulk : Awful
Iron Man 2 : Very bad
Thor : Mediocre
Captain America : The First Avenger : Bad
The Avengers : Excellent

Iron Man 3 : Bad
Thor : The Dark World : Mediocre
Captain America : The Winter Soldier : Very good
Guardians of the Galaxy : Very good
The Avengers : Age of Ultron : Pretty good

Man, phase 1 was disappointing. They're on a decent streak right now though, hope  that continues.

I actually thought Iron Man 3 was reasonably good! The funniest of the non-ensemble movies. And tGotG was definitely better than the Avengers.

Iron Man 2 and Captain America: First avenger are tied for worst movie (but I haven't seen either Thor).

..

Ang Lee Hulk was a good movie.  I don't understand why it got so much hate.  (I know you were talking about the MCU Incredible Hulk, but it made me think of this.)

Preach it. Although to be fair it's nearly a different genre altogether.
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Post by: Kuildeous on May 16, 2015, 01:41:30 am
Oh man, Furious 7 is such a bad movie. Rotten Tomatoes, you have let me down.
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Post by: Witherweaver on May 16, 2015, 03:23:43 am
I've never seen a single Fast/Furious movie, and I can't think of a compelling reason to.
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Post by: Witherweaver on May 16, 2015, 05:48:40 am
So I was just thinking, in Age of Ultron, Tony Stark says something to the effect of he saw (in the vision) the end of the path he set them on.  When I heard this line in the trailer, I thought he was referring to that he created Ultron.  However, in the movie he says it before that actually happens.  So what did he mean, exactly?  Does he consider himself responsible for bringing Superheroes (and, therefore, supervillians) "out in the open"?
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Post by: Witherweaver on May 16, 2015, 06:08:15 am
I was left from Age of Ultron feeling a little bit apprehensive, and here's why.  Nobody dies.  Yeah, yeah, except him, but I don't mean him---I mean the thousands of people constantly at danger with bullets and lasers and buildings falling down.  We only ever see superheroes saving people; never failing.  You mean to tell me there was only a single fatal shot from hundreds of Ultron bots wrecking havoc for like an hour, and even that was blocked from hitting a civilian?  (Also, I'm sure he could have either pushed them out of the way, or actually leaped and knocked over the Ultron bot, but whatever.)   I think we should have seen scores of people dying in the background, either from direct hits from Ultrons (I guess they purposefully didn't want to kill people, except for that one time when they tried?) or from having buildings fall on them or falling off of things and no superhero was around to save them.  I mean, it was an entire city; the group of them can't be everywhere.

I know it's probably because of the rating and "family" aspect of the film, but still I think the viewer should feel that something is actually at stake; that this stuff is really dangerous.  Otherwise it's just a bunch of special effects and short quips.
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Post by: enfynet on May 16, 2015, 10:14:50 am
Really, most of your concerns can be addressed by a PG13 rating. They make a point to show people being saved because that is what the heroes are trying to do. At the end of The Avengers, we see news footage of New York including a memorial for civilians that died in the battle. In Age of Ultron the group goes into hiding after the Hulkbuster ordeal because they ARE being held accountable. Just because they don't show civilian death doesn't mean they ignore it.
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Post by: pacovf on May 16, 2015, 11:26:22 am
I know it's been a while already, but lets avoid unspoilered spoilers? Please?
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Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2015, 11:31:46 am
I know it's been a while already, but lets avoid unspoilered spoilers? Please?

Titanic sinks.
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Post by: pedroluchini on May 16, 2015, 11:43:45 am
Marty McFly goes back to the future.

Sleeping Beauty actually wakes up. Twist ending!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 16, 2015, 11:47:00 am
I'm not sure this is really spoiler material, but I'll oblige.

In general, the grotesque realities of mass violence get glossed over in superhero movies. For a foe to be able to stand up to Superman or Thor, he'd have to have enough power to level cities, and there would surely be splash damage because villains tend to not give a fuck about the well-being of bystanders. So yeah, the nature of Ultron's machinations would result in several messy deaths with viscera flying all over the place. But that's not the type of experience people pay for to watch these movies.

On the other hand, there are movies for that experience. Daredevil (technically a show) is gritty and pulls no punches in showing how people get hurt, though there really haven't been any planet-shaking plots yet on the scale of the Avengers.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 16, 2015, 11:51:55 am
I've never seen a single Fast/Furious movie, and I can't think of a compelling reason to.

Stay on that path.

Now granted, my enjoyment of Furious 7 was, I'm sure, blunted by the fact that I hadn't seen the others. It shows. They were wrapping up previous character arcs, and it was obvious. Still, I could figure out why it was a big deal that this guy has a kid. I could tell that she was dealing with some sort of trauma from the previous movies. The problem wasn't with following the plot; I feel they actually handled that gap fairly well.

But the writing was terrible, and the actors looks embarrassed to deliver those lines. Even Kurt Russell tried really hard to ham it up, and it just fell flat. And while I respect Vin Diesel for being a jock who games, I cringed every time he opened his mouth.

I couldn't even finish the movie. After the ridiculous air drop scene, I turned to my wife to ask her if she'd seen enough only to see that she fell asleep. So that answered that question. I am so glad I did not go to see Furious 7. I just wish that my drive-in money went entirely to Mad Max, but I'm guessing it gets split between both movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on May 16, 2015, 01:57:15 pm
@pacovf : Of the Marvel movies I'd consider bad (so anything that isn't Avengers 1/2, Iron Man, GotG and Winter Soldier) Iron Man 3 is certainly the only one that aspires to be more than just a by-the-books superhero flick. It does try to put Iron Man in a new situation and explore the ramifications of what happened in The Avengers... I just think it fails pretty badly. There's also the problem that the villain, aside from the very funny twist, is forgettable, and to be honest I couldn't even tell you what he was really trying to achieve, which is a pretty huge flaw of the movie.

I think The Avengers and GotG are pretty close, ultimately I give Avengers the edge because the inevitable 30 minutes of huge CGI action at the end were done in a much more interesting way than in GotG (or any other Marvel movie).

@WW : Well they're family movies so they won't show people being brutally murdered, but in Age of Ultron, when Hulk goes berserk, there's a clear implication of numerous civilian casualties that cause the Avengers to get out of the public eye. IN the finale with Ultron, unquestionably thousands of people die, and I don't think the movie tries to hide that, it just won't show you that specifically because, again, family movies. I have no particular problem with that either, not everything needs to be sper dark and gritty.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on May 16, 2015, 02:12:16 pm
There's also the problem that the villain, aside from the very funny twist, is forgettable, and to be honest I couldn't even tell you what he was really trying to achieve, which is a pretty huge flaw of the movie.
Killian is working with the Vice President. As for who was in charge of what, I'm not sure. But those two were definitely playing together.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on May 16, 2015, 03:13:37 pm
Well, watching Ultron, I didn't get the impression that people were really at danger, that death was happening.  I only got the impression that everyone was saved, happy day.  I knew it had to be happening, but I didn't feel it---I didn't get engrossed.  I compare it to, say, The Dark Knight, which had a PG-13 rating.  In there I felt like lives were really in danger.  People could die, decisions mattered.  Though, most/all of the deaths were off-camera, so there was nothing gruesome and gory.  So you don't have to be Daredevil to show the gravity of the situations our heroes face.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on May 16, 2015, 03:30:12 pm
It's much easier to show a boat full of people in danger as compared to an entire city.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: werothegreat on May 16, 2015, 06:13:00 pm
I'm not sure this is really spoiler material, but I'll oblige.

In general, the grotesque realities of mass violence get glossed over in superhero movies. For a foe to be able to stand up to Superman or Thor, he'd have to have enough power to level cities, and there would surely be splash damage because villains tend to not give a fuck about the well-being of bystanders. So yeah, the nature of Ultron's machinations would result in several messy deaths with viscera flying all over the place. But that's not the type of experience people pay for to watch these movies.

On the other hand, there are movies for that experience. Daredevil (technically a show) is gritty and pulls no punches in showing how people get hurt, though there really haven't been any planet-shaking plots yet on the scale of the Avengers.


That's actually what I liked about Man of Steel - it showed them fucking up the whole city - there were consequences.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on May 17, 2015, 01:47:05 am
I'm not sure this is really spoiler material, but I'll oblige.

In general, the grotesque realities of mass violence get glossed over in superhero movies. For a foe to be able to stand up to Superman or Thor, he'd have to have enough power to level cities, and there would surely be splash damage because villains tend to not give a fuck about the well-being of bystanders. So yeah, the nature of Ultron's machinations would result in several messy deaths with viscera flying all over the place. But that's not the type of experience people pay for to watch these movies.

On the other hand, there are movies for that experience. Daredevil (technically a show) is gritty and pulls no punches in showing how people get hurt, though there really haven't been any planet-shaking plots yet on the scale of the Avengers.


That's actually what I liked about Man of Steel - it showed them fucking up the whole city - there were consequences.
Pretty sure Captain America: Civil War will be about accountability.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on May 17, 2015, 04:36:04 am
Well yeah The Dark Knight and Avengers work in two very different registers. The Dark Knight is dead serious all the time, Avengers wants to be fun. NOt that it should absolve the movie of any responsibility of having stakes etc. but I think the difference you're describing is that The Dark Knight wants you to think about those deaths, whereas The Avangers : AoU wants you to know they exist, but focus on the cool stuff happening and the interplay between characters. They're very different movies, one is not necessarily better*, they just have very different goals.

*in this case The Dark Knight is better but I'd argue that the first Avengers movie is better than The Dark Knight, but then again I don't have the same adoration for The Dark Knight as many people do. It's a good movie, but it has flaws, like the whole Harvey Dent plot doesn't really work for example.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on May 18, 2015, 10:39:03 pm
MAD MAX WAS AWESOME

GO SEE IT

NOW

I did. It was fine. Maybe it was all the hype that's building up around the movie, but I wasn't really impressed. Sure, the art direction (or whatever you want to call it) was top-notch and one of the best I've ever seen, but there's only so many car fights the body can take before it saturates, and two hours of it was clearly too much. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I had seen the previous installments?

Oh, and what happened to the Warlord's baby?

EDIT: A quick Wiki check shows that he dies at birth. It wasn't entirely clear in the movie, it's sort of hard to understand them at times.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 18, 2015, 11:23:37 pm
I picked up on the baby's death from the movie, but I guess I was so starved for dialogue that I clung to anything I could find.

I did enjoy the movie, but the story wasn't much. It was mostly Max versus these boss villains with their very distinctive cars (which was also cool).

I don't think watching the previous movies would have mattered. They pretty much encapsulate the premise of the first movie in a 20-second voiceover.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 21, 2015, 09:44:34 am
Heh, I happened across a review I gave of Repo! The Genetic Opera. I said that I rate it 2 out of 10, but that score jumps to 7 if you mute the movie.

I remember looking forward to seeing it and being bummed that it popped up for a week and then vanished. I watched it on rental and was floored by how bad the songs were. I mean, when Paris Hilton is not the most disappointing part of the movie, you know something's wrong.

Still, I recall it being a visually striking work, and I kind of want to see it again just for that. I don't know if I can handle the music again, though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on May 21, 2015, 10:15:35 am
I just watched that first 2 mad max movies last night. The premise isn't really explained much. Just that fuel is scarce and civil order is breaking down. It's not much backstory, but road warrior had some fun action.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 23, 2015, 02:31:46 pm
Here is a pretty good breakdown of the four Mad Max movies and the morals of their stories.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/20/mad-max-how-mras-killed-the-world.html

Max really is a tragic figure in this franchise. It's like a war movie that's actually anti-war.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on May 24, 2015, 08:49:11 pm
So I caught Dawn of the Planet of the Apes on HBO.. only kind of half-watching it, but I was a little bothered by the apes' sudden ability to aim extremely well with machine guns.  I mean, we seem to need pretty extensive training to become a good shot, and they seemed to figure it out like immediately?  Or was there some war in the interim between the two movies where they learned how to fight with guns?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 28, 2015, 01:41:11 pm
So my wife had her eyes dilated, which has the effect of making her nauseated. I put her on the couch and sought out on Netflix a movie that she knew well enough that she didn't need to open her eyes. And I came across 9 to 5.

It was a movie I watched the hell out of as a kid since it was always on HBO, and the realities of it really sink in now that I'm an adult. The work place isn't generally as bad as that now, but it was disgusting to see Mr. Hart's abuses of power portrayed in a nonironic way. And I'm sure some of those examples can still be found in the American workplace in some sectors. They really piled it on to make sure that everyone knew Hart was the villain.

One of those scenes that I could remember as a kid was Violet's response to Hart and his boss. I didn't understand the context in which it was presented. I could decipher every emotion behind her line yesterday. After Hart's boss lavished praise on Hart for selling him the idea he stole from Violet, he innocuously asks from the elevator if Violet and Roz were going up. Violet fixed a steely gaze and said, "No, we're going down." The true meaning of that statement never resonated with me as a kid.

Classic film. A few outrageous scenes, but it was the '80s. Hijinks had to be had.

And the "Attagirl" woman still cracks me up.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 28, 2015, 09:49:50 pm
Ah, hell, it finally came out today. It's not as mind-blowingly awesome as I had hoped, but it's still a hoot.

Also, I grew up in the '80s. Everything that happened is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on May 30, 2015, 09:24:53 pm
It took forever, but I finally watched Age of Ultron! The Bad Guy was quite a bit funnier than I expected from the trailers, that was cool.

I was a bit disappointed about Quicksilver. In Days of Future Past, he is one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and he has to get benched just so that the rest of the cast gets to do anything. In Age of Ultron, he's kind of a wuss, and he dies just because someone had to die? Huh.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: eHalcyon on May 30, 2015, 09:47:57 pm
It took forever, but I finally watched Age of Ultron! The Bad Guy was quite a bit funnier than I expected from the trailers, that was cool.

I was a bit disappointed about Quicksilver. In Days of Future Past, he is one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and he has to get benched just so that the rest of the cast gets to do anything. In Age of Ultron, he's kind of a wuss, and he dies just because someone had to die? Huh.

When I watched it with my friends, we theorized that his death was Marvel's way of benching him.  Super speed is just too strong of a power that if he were around, the stakes re: civilians would be way lower all the time.  Just consider how many people he must have saved.  I think there's a similar issue in The Flash (TV series) where...

you have to work a little harder to suspend your disbelief, simply because he is so fast that very few things should actually give him trouble.  Like, Captain Cold?  The show tried really hard to make him a threat, but if you think about it, there's no way he should stand a chance because he should never be able to shoot Flash.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 30, 2015, 09:48:46 pm
It took forever, but I finally watched Age of Ultron! The Bad Guy was quite a bit funnier than I expected from the trailers, that was cool.

I was a bit disappointed about Quicksilver. In Days of Future Past, he is one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and he has to get benched just so that the rest of the cast gets to do anything. In Age of Ultron, he's kind of a wuss, and he dies just because someone had to die? Huh.

Well, part of that may be it's because it's Joss Whedon, and people have come to expect someone to die. I'm not sure if Whedon decided to give into that expectation or if he really wanted to kill someone. Certainly it can make the struggle more real when there is death, though that shouldn't be necessary.  It seems a little out of place for a superhero movie.

I did not expect as much humor from Ultron either. I didn't read too much about him growing up, but my limited exposure to him showed a basic ruthless villain who just wanted to win. I don't remember much banter from him, but that was years back.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on May 30, 2015, 09:58:16 pm
Black Fish is a really good documentary about orcas in Seaworld, I would for sure recommend it, but be warned! It's pretty heavy...
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on May 31, 2015, 12:27:37 am
It took forever, but I finally watched Age of Ultron! The Bad Guy was quite a bit funnier than I expected from the trailers, that was cool.

I was a bit disappointed about Quicksilver. In Days of Future Past, he is one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and he has to get benched just so that the rest of the cast gets to do anything. In Age of Ultron, he's kind of a wuss, and he dies just because someone had to die? Huh.

Well, part of that may be it's because it's Joss Whedon, and people have come to expect someone to die. I'm not sure if Whedon decided to give into that expectation or if he really wanted to kill someone. Certainly it can make the struggle more real when there is death, though that shouldn't be necessary.  It seems a little out of place for a superhero movie.

I did not expect as much humor from Ultron either. I didn't read too much about him growing up, but my limited exposure to him showed a basic ruthless villain who just wanted to win. I don't remember much banter from him, but that was years back.

Being that it is Marvel, we don't know if Quicksilver is actually dead. Coulson isn't. And there is even a line in the movie, before the fight; "Get killed, walk it off." So he may or may not be back. I'm okay with either decision at this stage. Plus we still need the Soul Gem and the Time Gem, which may also aid the ability to bring characters back.

As for Ultron and his banter: The scene with Ulysses Klaue basically explains where this dialogue comes from.

Ultron: But I always say, "Keep your friends rich and your enemies rich, and wait to find out which is which."
Ulysses Klaue: Stark...
Ultron: What?
Ulysses Klaue: Tony Stark used to say that... to me. You're one of his.
Ultron: What? I'm not... I'm not! You think I'm one of Stark's puppets, his hollow men? I mean, look at me, do I look like Iron Man? Stark is not...
Ultron: I'm sorry. I am sor... Ooh! I'm sure that's going to be okay. I'm sorry, it's just I don't understand... Don't compare me with Stark! He's a sickness!
Tony Stark: Aww, Junior, you're going to break your old man's heart...

This here tells me that a lot of Ultron's behavior can be explained as as extreme version of Starks. Shortly after that is the line about making an omelette, which Tony quickly sounds off that he would have said the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on May 31, 2015, 12:47:28 am
It took forever, but I finally watched Age of Ultron! The Bad Guy was quite a bit funnier than I expected from the trailers, that was cool.

I was a bit disappointed about Quicksilver. In Days of Future Past, he is one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and he has to get benched just so that the rest of the cast gets to do anything. In Age of Ultron, he's kind of a wuss, and he dies just because someone had to die? Huh.

Well, part of that may be it's because it's Joss Whedon, and people have come to expect someone to die. I'm not sure if Whedon decided to give into that expectation or if he really wanted to kill someone. Certainly it can make the struggle more real when there is death, though that shouldn't be necessary.  It seems a little out of place for a superhero movie.

I did not expect as much humor from Ultron either. I didn't read too much about him growing up, but my limited exposure to him showed a basic ruthless villain who just wanted to win. I don't remember much banter from him, but that was years back.

Being that it is Marvel, we don't know if Quicksilver is actually dead. Coulson isn't. And there is even a line in the movie, before the fight; "Get killed, walk it off." So he may or may not be back. I'm okay with either decision at this stage. Plus we still need the Soul Gem and the Time Gem, which may also aid the ability to bring characters back.

Man, I hope they don't revive Quicksilver. I was sort of expecting that, given that Helen had already shown being able to basically regrow a body. But they don't revive him during the movie, so I expect him to stay dead. Coulson dying was an emotional moment of the first Avengers. He's a character you care about, it reminds you that Loki is a monster. I was horrified to learn that they resurrected him for Agents of Shield. It absolutely cheapens that moment.


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As for Ultron and his banter: The scene with Ulysses Klaue basically explains where this dialogue comes from.

Ultron: But I always say, "Keep your friends rich and your enemies rich, and wait to find out which is which."
Ulysses Klaue: Stark...
Ultron: What?
Ulysses Klaue: Tony Stark used to say that... to me. You're one of his.
Ultron: What? I'm not... I'm not! You think I'm one of Stark's puppets, his hollow men? I mean, look at me, do I look like Iron Man? Stark is not...
Ultron: I'm sorry. I am sor... Ooh! I'm sure that's going to be okay. I'm sorry, it's just I don't understand... Don't compare me with Stark! He's a sickness!
Tony Stark: Aww, Junior, you're going to break your old man's heart...

This here tells me that a lot of Ultron's behavior can be explained as as extreme version of Starks. Shortly after that is the line about making an omelette, which Tony quickly sounds off that he would have said the exact same thing.


Yeah, they sort of hammer the point home during the movie. Still, you wouldn't have expected that just from looking at the trailer. But again, I am not complaining. He gets some of the best lines in the movie (my personal favourite being Nick's "You kiss your mother with that mouth?").
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: eHalcyon on May 31, 2015, 01:16:04 am
I was horrified to learn that they resurrected him for Agents of Shield. It absolutely cheapens that moment.

It's a huge plot point even into the second season though.  They made it work.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on May 31, 2015, 02:06:52 am
I was horrified to learn that they resurrected him for Agents of Shield. It absolutely cheapens that moment.

It's a huge plot point even into the second season though.  They made it work.

Yeah, it's not like they decided that the story element sucked and just retconned it. Maybe they did, but the point is that while it was reversed, it was a pretty huge plot point. It's not like they hand-waved it away.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on May 31, 2015, 02:16:38 am
I was horrified to learn that they resurrected him for Agents of Shield. It absolutely cheapens that moment.

It's a huge plot point even into the second season though.  They made it work.

Yeah, it's not like they decided that the story element sucked and just retconned it. Maybe they did, but the point is that while it was reversed, it was a pretty huge plot point. It's not like they hand-waved it away.

Ok, I am sure it works in the series. I am also pretty sure they did it because it was a known face that would help the series take off.

My point is, knowing that his death was only temporary cheapens the moment. Maybe I would be happier with it if either I watched the series or never learned it in the first place. But one cannot be undone and I don't really watch series anymore, so what can I do.

</rantover>

In a lighter tone, a friend of mine and I concluded that the most busted superpowers are always related to time manipulation, with the only powers that are remotely close being mind manipulation and teleportation. As such, it is usually extremely hard to write situations in which characters with such powers don't just instantly solve all the problems thrown at them, and writers usually just have them behave "stupidly" instead. Quicksilver has a sort of time manipulation power (super speed), which explains why his portrayals are rarely satisfying, IMHO.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on May 31, 2015, 09:28:30 am
Re : AoU and the Marvel Universe in general. As somene who watches Agents of SHIELD, I'm glad to have Coulson, but I agree that it absolutely cheapens the whole emotional arc of Avengers, and that's a problem. Whedon knows it too, that's very likely the reason Coulson doesn't happer in Avengers : AoU, or any other post-Avengers Marvel movie for that matter. And this goes to a larger problem in the MCU which is that people, and especially good people, simply do not stay dead. I can't think of a single sympathetic character in the whole MCU that has died for good, which means that when you see someone die in a Marvel movie, you know it means nothing.

As for AoU specifically, it kinda worked for me because clearly the whole movie seemed to be building up to Hawkeye's death : we get to meet his family for God's sake. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had said something to the effect of it being his last mission before retirement, that's how heavily it was foreshadowed. So when Quicksilver dies instead of him, I initially liked because it was a subversion of expectations... but yeah, now that I think about it, there's just no way he's going to stay dead, and that annoys me to no end. Movies and comic books are different things, and maybe reviving people all the time works in the comics, but it certainly doesn't in the movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silvern on June 17, 2015, 05:32:21 pm
Anyone who has Studio Ghibli's last movie playing in their city, I highly recommend.
(They still have been making high-quality stuff, even with Miyazaki gone.)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 03:05:26 am
In this entire thread, there hasn't been a single mention of Martin Scorsese. Marty is probably the best director still making movies today (although recently, I quite disliked wolf of wall street).  Do people here not watch his stuff, or not particularly like his stuff? Mean streets, taxi driver, raging bull, goodfellas, gangs of NY, departed, shutter island, are all phenominal.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on June 18, 2015, 03:57:39 am
That's probably because we've mostly focused on what we've seen lately, though I haven't seen that many Scorcese movies, off the top of my head only Goodfellas and The Departed, which I both remember as being great. Definitely need to watch more, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver especially.

In other news, I saw Ex Machina. It was flawed but very interesting, generally well acted and very engaging throughout.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on June 18, 2015, 08:40:22 am
I started Taxi Driver a few weeks ago, and it moved so torturously slow I gave up after a few minutes.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Eevee on June 18, 2015, 08:53:09 am
I saw The Prestige yesterday. I'd rank it much better than Interstellar, slightly better than Inception but significantly worse than Memento. I liked the Christian Bale character reveal/arc a lot, the Hugh Jackman "twist" felt a little too Deus Ex Machinaey to me.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 09:17:47 am
That's probably because we've mostly focused on what we've seen lately,
right so I think this thread means different things for us. It certainly became primarily a discussion of movies people have just seen/are about to see, but I read the entire thread last night and the beginning of it and also the op in particular are more about what are some of the great movies that everyone should see, and scorsese was never brought up!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 09:20:58 am
I started Taxi Driver a few weeks ago, and it moved so torturously slow I gave up after a few minutes.
really? I urge you to try again. Taxi driver in particular I think is his best work. I dpnt remember it being too slow in the beginning, de niro's narration is just so hypnotizing that I was almost immediately sucked in.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on June 18, 2015, 09:22:29 am
In this entire thread, there hasn't been a single mention of Martin Scorsese. Marty is probably the best director still making movies today (although recently, I quite disliked wolf of wall street).  Do people here not watch his stuff, or not particularly like his stuff? Mean streets, taxi driver, raging bull, goodfellas, gangs of NY, departed, shutter island, are all phenominal.

I think everything he does is good; Gangs of New York and The Departed are among my favorite movies.  I haven't seen the original movie The Departed was based on ("Infernal Affairs" or something?), but I think it's supposed to be good as well.  I didn't see any issues with Wolf of Wall Street. (Though, I didn't watch the entire thing start to end.)

Some of the older stuff (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull), I've only seen mots of; like I was flipping through channels and caught them part of the way in.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 09:31:10 am
Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explaining the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 18, 2015, 09:33:01 am
Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 09:40:47 am
Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
alright, but not all the sex involved him. That swiss banker got it on with that big guys wife, jonah hill started jerking off at a party..... I mean, that second one was clearly an attempt at comedy, and idk, I didn't find it at all funny. And I wasn't really taking issue with leo acting like a jerk, if his character wouldn't explain something, then he shouldn't. That's no excuse to not tell me what's going on, work in some other way of explaining to the viewers the scams being run. But I suspect that leo 's character acted like that not because it was in character, but because they didn't want it in the movie, for whatever reason, which is frustrating because it was important to me
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on June 18, 2015, 09:47:25 am
I haven't seen the original movie The Departed was based on ("Infernal Affairs" or something?), but I think it's supposed to be good as well.

I watched the three movies. The departed is based mostly on the first one, IIRC. They are good, but very different (as you would expect from something done in Hong Kong, rather than Hollywood). More... understated?
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 18, 2015, 09:57:05 am
Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
alright, but not all the sex involved him. That swiss banker got it on with that big guys wife, jonah hill started jerking off at a party..... I mean, that second one was clearly an attempt at comedy, and idk, I didn't find it at all funny. And I wasn't really taking issue with leo acting like a jerk, if his character wouldn't explain something, then he shouldn't. That's no excuse to not tell me what's going on, work in some other way of explaining to the viewers the scams being run. But I suspect that leo 's character acted like that not because it was in character, but because they didn't want it in the movie, for whatever reason, which is frustrating because it was important to me

I think it's all a little bit appropriate, actually.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/12/31/wolf_of_wall_street_true_story_jordan_belfort_and_other_real_people_in_dicaprio.html

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/the-wolf-of-wall-street.php

Edit: Well, I guess my point is that the focus of the story wasn't on the actual scam itself, it was on the people and their behavior.  It's not particular relevant whether the people were real or not, but they did happen to be (mostly).
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 10:14:44 am
Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
alright, but not all the sex involved him. That swiss banker got it on with that big guys wife, jonah hill started jerking off at a party..... I mean, that second one was clearly an attempt at comedy, and idk, I didn't find it at all funny. And I wasn't really taking issue with leo acting like a jerk, if his character wouldn't explain something, then he shouldn't. That's no excuse to not tell me what's going on, work in some other way of explaining to the viewers the scams being run. But I suspect that leo 's character acted like that not because it was in character, but because they didn't want it in the movie, for whatever reason, which is frustrating because it was important to me

I think it's all a little bit appropriate, actually.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/12/31/wolf_of_wall_street_true_story_jordan_belfort_and_other_real_people_in_dicaprio.html

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/the-wolf-of-wall-street.php

Edit: Well, I guess my point is that the focus of the story wasn't on the actual scam itself, it was on the people and their behavior.  It's not particular relevant whether the people were real or not, but they did happen to be (mostly).
I get this. And in fact most scorsese movies value characters and not plot. But these characters didnt seem as interesting as the ones in goodfellas or gangs of new york. And in casino, they at least make sure you understand whats going on. In the links it explained the basics of 'pump and dump', which I understood. But there seemed to be more going on and I felt in the dark. Even if the exact story isnt the focus, it's still something I feel I deserve after investing upwards of 2&1/2  hrs.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 18, 2015, 10:21:48 am
Well, I agree that these characters were not that interesting, but I think that's more because of the characters themselves and not the actual movie production.  I mean, I can't invest much interest in a drug-addicted, sex-addicted, douchebag.  But a cleaver-wielding, bushy-mustached, tophat wearing savage lobbing knives around? Now that's a guy I want to watch.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 10:26:21 am
Yeah DDL really was fantastic in that movie. And I loved gangs of new york overall, but I think scorsese could have cut most if not all of cameron diaz. That part felt thrown in and unnecessary in an already long movie. But every scene with Bill the butcher, yeah they were all great
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Post by: enfynet on June 18, 2015, 11:09:32 am
So, for those not following the box office. Jurassic World passed The Avengers for opening week. Plus did a first ever $500M worldwide opening weekend.

And it was enjoyable too.

--

Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 18, 2015, 11:21:31 am
So, for those not following the box office. Jurassic World passed The Avengers for opening week. Plus did a first ever $500M worldwide opening weekend.

And it was enjoyable too.

--

Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.

That sounds exactly like knowing how to end movies.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 18, 2015, 02:15:19 pm

Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.
um, alec baldwin didn't die in the departed, so clearly you're mistaken
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on June 19, 2015, 08:39:13 am
Well with 'wolf' Gangs of NY I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex butchery (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason.
FTFY
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 11:02:48 am
Well with 'wolf' Gangs of NY I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex butchery (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason.
FTFY
there wasn't thaaat much butchery. And when there was, it was really cool, he was throwing around knives. In fact, im not sure I understand your point. The violence in the movie wasn't pointless imo. And it wasnt gratuitous.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 19, 2015, 11:03:52 am
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 11:37:22 am
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 19, 2015, 11:39:41 am
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 11:52:06 am
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story
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Post by: Teproc on June 19, 2015, 12:25:50 pm
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story

Do you think a movie based on a true story should only depict things that actually happened ?

Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 12:44:11 pm
The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story

Do you think a movie based on a true story should only depict things that actually happened ?

Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.
well, obviously that's not what I think. If Bill the butcher was really Bill the actuary then that's something I'm glad they changed. But in wolf the changes only seemed to make it less enjoyable
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 01:05:58 pm
And yeah fargo was quite good
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Post by: Teproc on June 19, 2015, 01:58:50 pm
And yeah fargo was quite good

And 100% faithful to the true story it was based on, amazingly.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 02:11:10 pm
And yeah fargo was quite good

And 100% faithful to the true story it was based on, amazingly.
I like the coen brothers in general very much. I think the big lebowski is their best and its one of my favorite movies ever, and no country for old men is also top notch although the ending really pissed me off for a while. Inside llewyn davis was really good too. I was very surprised when it didn't get an Oscar nomination.
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Post by: Teproc on June 19, 2015, 03:27:27 pm
I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.

Maybe it's just that I don't smoke weed, I don't know.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 19, 2015, 04:20:01 pm
Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.

Now that's just mean.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 06:06:10 pm
I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.

Maybe it's just that I don't smoke weed, I don't know.
I just loved the attitude the dude takes towards everything and everyone. You know from that very first scene where he visits the supermarket in his bathrobe, opens a quart of milk to make sure it's not expired, walks up to the cashier with a milk mustache, makes out a check for 89¢, and brings home his milk to make a white russian, that this is the role Jeff Bridges was born to play.
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Post by: Donald X. on June 19, 2015, 06:19:23 pm
I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.
I was also disappointed by Lebowski. Part of it is that it came at the end of this ridiculous run of great movies: Miller's Crossing, Hudsucker Proxy, Barton Fink, Fargo. It's not bad but it just didn't compare.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 19, 2015, 06:49:27 pm
I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.
I was also disappointed by Lebowski. Part of it is that it came at the end of this ridiculous run of great movies: Miller's Crossing, Hudsucker Proxy, Barton Fink, Fargo. It's not bad but it just didn't compare.
can someone explain Barton Fink to me? It was like visual gibberish.
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Post by: Teproc on June 19, 2015, 07:46:11 pm
I actually saw it very recently... and I'm not sure I can. I loved it, but I didn't fully understand it, and I really want to rewatch it (which is rare for me). John Goodman is amazing in it, that I'm certain of.

I mean clearly it's a morality tale and Barton Fink is experiencing some version of Hell, but I'm not sure where the lines are drawn between reality and hallucination/allegory. I'm sure the New York scenes are real, after that... I need to rewatch it. I want to say the scene where he completely and blatantly ignores anything Charlie has to say (their first scene actually) should be real, because it feels like that pretentious self-involvment is what he pays for in the rest of the movie, but I'mnot sure where the wallpaper thing starts to come in, as that's the first clear sign that the film is going in a surrealist direction.

And sure, The Dude is a nice character to be around, but he wasn't that fascinating to me.
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Post by: GendoIkari on June 20, 2015, 08:32:45 pm
I'm a big Cohen Coen :-[ Bros fan; I own all their movies except Hudsucker which I've never seen but is in my wish list. Just recently saw Llewyn Davis.

I really love Lebowski; I'm pretty sure it's the movie I've seen the most number of times out of any movie. I can't really compare it to their other work though; it's so different. But I never tire of it.

I did not really like Barton Fink, but remembering how I felt about it, I seem to remember the ending in some ways being similar to the endings of A Serious Man or Llewyn Davis. Or even Lebowski. So maybe I need to watch it again without expecting a "Hollywood" ending.
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Post by: ashersky on June 20, 2015, 09:19:35 pm
Pretty sure it's Coen, though.
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Post by: GendoIkari on June 20, 2015, 09:36:44 pm
Pretty sure it's Coen, though.

Such a huge fan that I can't even spell their name!
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 20, 2015, 10:25:14 pm
I'm a big Cohen Coen :-[ Bros fan; I own all their movies except Hudsucker which I've never seen but is in my wish list. Just recently saw Llewyn Davis.

I really love Lebowski; I'm pretty sure it's the movie I've seen the most number of times out of any movie. I can't really compare it to their other work though; it's so different. But I never tire of it.

I did not really like Barton Fink, but remembering how I felt about it, I seem to remember the ending in some ways being similar to the endings of A Serious Man or Llewyn Davis. Or even Lebowski. So maybe I need to watch it again without expecting a "Hollywood" ending.
all their endings are somewhat similar, that I've seen. Except maybe Oh Brother Where Art Thou? which has a happier ending.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 20, 2015, 11:21:04 pm
Has anyone seen High Fidelity? It's on the Netflix and im wondering if it's any good.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 21, 2015, 12:13:43 am
Has anyone seen High Fidelity? It's on the Netflix and im wondering if it's any good.

Yes, watch it. 
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 21, 2015, 02:52:29 am
Has anyone seen High Fidelity? It's on the Netflix and im wondering if it's any good.

Yes, watch it.
was really good. Although I didn't like the gratuitous raining.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 21, 2015, 08:56:37 pm
Jurassic World: Product placement done right.
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Post by: Titandrake on June 21, 2015, 10:08:33 pm
Jurassic World: Product placement done right.

A week after seeing the movie, I can't remember what got product placement and what didn't, but it's probably still going to influence me in subtle ways. Whereas I can still remember cringeworthy Dasani and Victoria's Secret product placement from Age of Extinction, which came out a year ago.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 21, 2015, 11:41:27 pm
Jurassic World: Product placement done right.

A week after seeing the movie, I can't remember what got product placement and what didn't, but it's probably still going to influence me in subtle ways. Whereas I can still remember cringeworthy Dasani and Victoria's Secret product placement from Age of Extinction, which came out a year ago.

Well, in thinking about it, it had annoying ad placement as usual (Mercedes and Kawasaki come to mind), but the way it handled how theme parks handle sponsorship was amusing. Samsung and Verizon are especially fitting for what the movie was portraying.
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Post by: skip wooznum on June 22, 2015, 02:15:34 am
I haven't seen the original movie The Departed was based on ("Infernal Affairs" or something?), but I think it's supposed to be good as well.

I watched the three movies. The departed is based mostly on the first one, IIRC. They are good, but very different (as you would expect from something done in Hong Kong, rather than Hollywood). More... understated?
just saw this. i liked the ending better in this one than in the departed, actually.
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Post by: KingZog3 on June 22, 2015, 11:26:36 am
Saw the end hour of Looper on tv last night. The best part was the design of the semi futuristic elements mixed with current infrastructure. The ultra thin phones, flowery toichscreens for stuff. It was very watchable.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on June 22, 2015, 10:14:25 pm
Saw the end hour of Looper on tv last night. The best part was the design of the semi futuristic elements mixed with current infrastructure. The ultra thin phones, flowery toichscreens for stuff. It was very watchable.
I watched this last week, and also thought it was well done.

Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.  Pretty cool special effects.
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Post by: pacovf on June 22, 2015, 10:50:21 pm
The main thing I disliked about Looper was how inconsistent Time Travel was. I am more or less ok with movies that have Time Travel that doesn't make much sense when you think about it (e.g., back to the future), or where we have so little information about the mechanics that it's hard to say what exactly is going on (e.g., Terminator), or where the difference instances of Time Travel are so far away from each other that it's whatever.

But one movie that presents the same exact situation twice, and has different results for each? No, thanks.
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Post by: Awaclus on June 23, 2015, 07:09:19 am
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 23, 2015, 08:18:24 am
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?

Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clipping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.
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Post by: Witherweaver on June 23, 2015, 09:41:45 am
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?

Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clamping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.

Fixed that for you.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on June 24, 2015, 08:38:04 am
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?
Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clipping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.

There were cameras INSIDE the theater!?!?!? 

And you missed the more obvious joke, given the subject matter of the movie.

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Post by: pacovf on June 28, 2015, 01:31:48 am
Just finished watching all three original Mad Max movies. The second one was pretty good. The third one had some gems, but was marred by a nonsensical plot. The first one was too much of a B movie for my taste, although it already has some hints of what's to come (and also, Saw).

But now I think that Fury Road is a remake of Road Warrior. I am not really complaining though. I am curious what the next one will be like.
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Post by: KingZog3 on June 28, 2015, 02:03:19 am
Just finished watching all three original Mad Max movies. The second one was pretty good. The third one had some gems, but was marred by a nonsensical plot. The first one was too much of a B movie for my taste, although it already has some hints of what's to come (and also, Saw).

But now I think that Fury Road is a remake of Road Warrior. I am not really complaining though. I am curious what the next one will be like.

I had the same thoughts watching the original movies. But I though the third was just terrible. There really wasnt anything good about it.
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Post by: Kuildeous on June 28, 2015, 03:20:08 am
But two men enter; one man leaves!

Okay, I admit that my fondness of Thunderdome likely lies with the fact that I watched the hell out of that movie growing up. I probably haven't seen it in 25 years, and I fear that I would see it for what it really is if I rewatch it now. Therefore, I wrap myself in my cocoon of ignorance and will never rewatch that movie.

Road Warrior was still pretty badass. I need to rewatch Mad Max. I remember it being so different in tone than the others.

And, well, Fury Road was pretty awesome, which is amazing for me to say considering the dialogue and story-building is only enough for a half-hour movie.
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Post by: KingZog3 on June 28, 2015, 09:04:56 am
But the secondary story is good, because Im not there to see a silly story. I'm there to see cars and explosions and action.

Two men enter; one man leaves! Except they chant this one Master goes it help Blaster, so there's 3 men who entered. It makes no sense!
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Post by: pacovf on June 28, 2015, 04:53:41 pm
I thought MasterBlaster was great, although he certainly needed more polish. The Thunderdome was pretty cool, in an over-the-top, completely ridiculous kind of way. The story of the lost tribe was nice. And Jedediah and Jedediah Jr cracked me up. Then there were some small design choices, like putting the huge head on Max when they sent him to the "Gulag".

The big problems with the movie were the broken plot, the huge tone shift halfway through (from something in between Road Warrior and For a fistfull of dollars, to a mix of Raiders of the Lost Ark and Captain Hook), and Tina Turner.

Ironbar is also kind of annoying. It struck me by the end of the movie that he is supposed to be a comic relief character, not a credible threat to the main characters, and that's kinda silly.
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Post by: Teproc on July 01, 2015, 12:49:33 pm
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.
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Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on July 01, 2015, 03:17:34 pm
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.
A single take that lasts 140 minutes!?  That's impressive in its own right.
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Post by: Teproc on July 01, 2015, 03:52:50 pm
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.
A single take that lasts 140 minutes!?  That's impressive in its own right.

Yep, the technical feat is very impressive, but what's even better is that I honestly forgot about it at several points in the movie.
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Post by: Kuildeous on July 10, 2015, 09:09:19 am
I just rewatched Twilight Zone: The Movie. So very '80s. But then the original source material is older and filmed in the style of their times too.

I had forgotten just how utterly offensive the racist is in the first story. Just a continuous stream of racial slurs in a public place. He was lucky the table of black men nearby were pretty mellow (but not so lucky later on obviously).

It was pretty neat to watch the third one with someone who had never seen the movie or the original show with Ron Howard. My wife just kept uttering, "What the fuck," which is a pretty good testament to how the story builds up. My wife kept yelling at the TV, "Don't go in there. Can't you see the cars?"
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Post by: Seprix on July 10, 2015, 05:01:10 pm
Isn't that Twilight Zone movie bad? I do recall the reboot television show was terrible in comparison to the original.
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Post by: Asper on July 10, 2015, 07:20:18 pm
Movies i just like:
The Shining
The Nightmare before Christmas
The Dark Knight
The Truman Show
Memento
The Great Mouse Detective
Addams Family Values
A Clockwork Orange
The Birds
Terminator 2

Movies i want to see:
Dracula (the old one)
That Soylent Green movie
Alien 1-3
The Godfather
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
The Fog
American Psycho

Movies that i don't think are good but still enjoy:
Hook
Mrs Doubtfire
Batman Returns

Worst movie i found enjoyable:
Dude, where's my car?

Movies that i think are good but have seen too often:
Mary Poppins
Forrest Gump

Movies i watched recently and can recommend:
Kingsmen
Rango

Movies i find overrated:
Avatar
Psycho
Up!

Movies that make me want to become deaf and blind:
Underworld
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 10, 2015, 07:23:35 pm
Movies i find overrated:
Avatar

Woah, woah, woah. Who is saying Avatar is good?

(http://i.imgur.com/cMKR2DU.png)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on July 10, 2015, 07:49:06 pm
Avatar was godawful.  The James Cameron one, not Last Airbender... I mean, it might be, but I didn't watch it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on July 10, 2015, 08:09:42 pm
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?

Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clamping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.

Fixed that for you.

Why doesn't this have any upvotes?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on July 10, 2015, 10:41:04 pm
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?

Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clamping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.

Fixed that for you.

Why doesn't this have any upvotes?

(Feel free to upvote the original post.) Note period INSIDE the quote marks as the sentence is a complete one.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on July 10, 2015, 11:46:43 pm
Tonight I watched Exodus with Christian Bale.

Oh, you know him?

Well if by "know" you mean "sat behind him in the theatre occasionally clamping hair samples during the noisy parts of the film" then yeah.

Fixed that for you.

Why doesn't this have any upvotes?

For serious.  As a matter of point, why don't all my posts have more upvotes?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on July 11, 2015, 10:04:48 am
Avatar is pretty correctly rated, as in "great visuals, nice world, awful story and boring characters". At least that seems to be the consensus from my PoV, and I mostly agree.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on July 11, 2015, 10:13:20 am
I'm surprised nobody expressed disagreement with my critizism of Psycho and Up, yet.

I mean, those are far from being as bad as Avatar, but i consider Up's story to be weak and episodical for Pixar standards, while Psycho has awesome moments and actually is a movie i like, but has such an unsatisfying solution that it harms its overall score and is far from as "brilliant" as cineasts make it to be.
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Post by: eHalcyon on July 11, 2015, 10:25:10 am
Up is good.  You are Psycho.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 11, 2015, 10:34:47 am
I'm surprised nobody expressed disagreement with my critizism of Psycho and Up, yet.

I mean, those are far from being as bad as Avatar, but i consider Up's story to be weak and episodical for Pixar standards, while Psycho has awesome moments and actually is a movie i like, but has such an unsatisfying solution that it harms its overall score and is far from as "brilliant" as cineasts make it to be.

Only move that beats up is The Incredibles. Maybe Toy Story too, I haven't seen those movies since I was 4.
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Post by: Eevee on July 11, 2015, 10:41:17 am
Toy Story 3 is incredible.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Darth Vader on July 11, 2015, 11:36:43 am
There has been excitement for the new Star Wars movie. Have you felt it?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: 2.71828..... on July 11, 2015, 11:42:23 am
Movies i watched recently and can recommend:
Kingsmen

Yes. This movie was excellent.  One thing about it, it was a very self-aware movie, so some parts were over the top, but I think they had a good balance.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on July 11, 2015, 01:26:25 pm
I'm surprised nobody expressed disagreement with my critizism of Psycho and Up, yet.

I mean, those are far from being as bad as Avatar, but i consider Up's story to be weak and episodical for Pixar standards, while Psycho has awesome moments and actually is a movie i like, but has such an unsatisfying solution that it harms its overall score and is far from as "brilliant" as cineasts make it to be.

Only move that beats up is The Incredibles. Maybe Toy Story too, I haven't seen those movies since I was 4.

Really? I hated, hated, hated Toy Story. The cowboy was driven by nothing but envy, and later maybe the instinct to save his shiny plastic skin. The spacemen was a deluisional moron. And both were so very, very in love with themselves. Plus, the humans were very ugly. I found Toy Story to be a depressing, boring movie where i couldn't relate to any of the ethically repulsive protagonists at all.

It's like Aladdin, which i adore, but the fact that Al was such a liar and got himself in deeper all the time was not understandable to me as a child.

Toy Story 2 is a different thing, but i watched that when i was allready an adult, so that was under other circumstances.
Edit: haven't seen part 3, but i had the impression it went on where 2 left
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on July 11, 2015, 02:07:15 pm
I think Psycho is a good movie but doesn't really age well. The sort of fumbly ending and explanation was probably shocking at the time, but because it's a movie that has set up so many cliches it now feels kind of like a poor excuse for the whole plot.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on July 12, 2015, 06:12:46 pm
I'm surprised nobody expressed disagreement with my critizism of Psycho and Up, yet.

I didn't see any criticism of those movies. I only saw you said they were overrated, which is fine. Whether or not a movie is overrated is a personal thing. Did you see a shitload of hype and then thought the movie didn't live up to the hype? I can't tell you you're wrong.

Now if you actually said some negative things about the movies, then we can have something to base a discussion on.

I for one thought Psycho was a bit slow in getting to the point (though the shower scene at the beginning was plenty shocking, especially when you consider that up until then, movies simply didn't do that). It's still a cool story with some good shots.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on July 12, 2015, 08:14:08 pm
I watched John Wick lat night and it was surprisingly watchable. The action wasn't made terrible from too many cuts, and in fact a lot of the action was shot in longer shot letting you actually see what's happening.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on July 16, 2015, 11:00:54 am
Holy crap, there's a dramatic telling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. I must go see this!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 16, 2015, 11:13:35 am
Holy crap, there's a dramatic telling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. I must go see this!

Is that the experiment where every kid went dark when they got power and prisoners actually went dark too?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on July 16, 2015, 11:52:16 am
Holy crap, there's a dramatic telling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. I must go see this!

Is that the experiment where every kid went dark when they got power and prisoners actually went dark too?

I'm not sure what you mean by going dark.

It did show that people's behaviors changed when placed on either end of a power relationship.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 16, 2015, 12:10:21 pm
Holy crap, there's a dramatic telling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. I must go see this!

Is that the experiment where every kid went dark when they got power and prisoners actually went dark too?

I'm not sure what you mean by going dark.

It did show that people's behaviors changed when placed on either end of a power relationship.

Yes, that experiment went pretty dark from my understanding of it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on July 16, 2015, 09:38:31 pm
Holy crap, there's a dramatic telling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. I must go see this!

I have seen the german original of the movie and it wasn't very good. Just too much added to the truth. In case you are talking about the american remake, which i assume, i can't say much, but i read the critics were even worse.

Edit: Oops, sorry, there seems to be a third movie. I don't know anything about that one. The others were called "Das Experiment" and "The Experiment". I think the third is "The Standford Prison Experiment".
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on July 16, 2015, 10:57:31 pm
Ant Man was so good! It far surpassed my expectations. It has the same vibe as Guardians of the Galaxy, but is much better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 16, 2015, 11:04:37 pm
Ant Man was so good! It far surpassed my expectations. It has the same vibe as Guardians of the Galaxy, but is much better in my opinion.

Wow, really? I thought that movie was going to suck ass from the trailer.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Dsell on July 16, 2015, 11:12:18 pm
Ant Man was so good! It far surpassed my expectations. It has the same vibe as Guardians of the Galaxy, but is much better in my opinion.

Wow, really? I thought that movie was going to suck ass from the trailer.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. There was applause in the theater after it ended. It was everything I wanted from a comic book superhero movie. There's definitely some cheese, but it's very self-aware. And Paul Rudd is awesome.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Spellbound on July 17, 2015, 01:42:01 am
There isn't much discussion about films at all in my country. I pretty much like to join :)

About Ant Man. I'm disappointed that Wright isn't the director, and I think the reason is his self parody style doesn't suit Marvel's. I've not seen the film, maybe I will.

I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on July 17, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.

If you like art movies, I suggest you watch Nicolas Winding Rafn. His movies are very strange.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on July 17, 2015, 02:55:47 pm
I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.

If you like art movies, I suggest you watch Nicolas Winding Rafn. His movies are very strange.

Seconded. I also recommend M dot Strange's movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Spellbound on July 17, 2015, 03:16:38 pm
I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.

If you like art movies, I suggest you watch Nicolas Winding Rafn. His movies are very strange.

I've watched only Drive and Only God Forgives. I really like his style but I'm having hard time deciding which films of him to watch next.

Drive is really cool but I kind of think that it doesn't have much meaning behind it (not that it is needed to be, but if there is I would like to know).

Only God Forgives is so weird, but I like it. What do you make of that creepy sword guy? I think he is guilt.

My favorite art film is Mulholland Drive and There Will Be Blood. Actually I enjoy any films at all that offer something new and daring.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Spellbound on July 17, 2015, 03:22:38 pm
I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.

If you like art movies, I suggest you watch Nicolas Winding Rafn. His movies are very strange.

Seconded. I also recommend M dot Strange's movies.

Never heard of that before. Surely would give it a try!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on July 17, 2015, 08:26:52 pm
I have watched this weird film, Angst. I would recommend this film to none but film buffs as it is offensive. It is a really good experience no other film can offer.

If you like art movies, I suggest you watch Nicolas Winding Rafn. His movies are very strange.

I've watched only Drive and Only God Forgives. I really like his style but I'm having hard time deciding which films of him to watch next.

Drive is really cool but I kind of think that it doesn't have much meaning behind it (not that it is needed to be, but if there is I would like to know).

Only God Forgives is so weird, but I like it. What do you make of that creepy sword guy? I think he is guilt.

My favorite art film is Mulholland Drive and There Will Be Blood. Actually I enjoy any films at all that offer something new and daring.

I wrote a big blurb about Only God Forgives in the original post. Refn has said that the police officer represents God, and Julian is in a struggle with what he does and who he wants to be, which is why he is always at odds with the police officer (aka God). There's a lot more in the movie, such as the symbolism with the characters hands.

Drive has meaning in the sense of the subtle ways that The Driver shows his emotions. But this is really interesting on Drive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsI8UES59TM
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Titandrake on July 19, 2015, 04:47:00 am
Re: Ant Man, I prefer Guardians of the Galaxy over it, but it was still entertaining. The plot's pretty cliche and cheesy, but it doesn't bother taking itself very seriously at all and has some pretty good self-aware humor.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on July 20, 2015, 11:06:37 am
I was pleasantly surprised by Ant-Man. I wasn’t holding out a lot of hope, and that probably helped. It was a goofy movie, and they had a pretty fun mix of epic fighting and silly jokes at the end.

It also had an unexpected cameo that definitely cemented the movie as part of the MCU. It was goofy and fun.

And the character growths were pretty good too. Nice.

I especially like how this is an origin story, but it comes at it from the angle that there's already been an Ant-Man. A little bit fresher than the radioactive spider schtick that every Spider-Man story has to tell.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 29, 2015, 12:59:05 am
Interview with the vampire is not very good at all.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 29, 2015, 01:01:12 am
I just watched Age of Ultron. Ask me anything.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on July 29, 2015, 09:32:41 am
Interview with the vampire is not very good at all.

(http://i.imgur.com/byQh1OH.gif)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 29, 2015, 12:34:44 pm
Interview with the vampire is not very good at all.

(http://i.imgur.com/byQh1OH.gif)
that line made no sense, because neither g-d, nor the vampires in the movie, killed indiscriminately, and anyway killing indiscriminately doesn't make killing much less bad.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on July 29, 2015, 04:57:25 pm
For better movies with vampires, did anyone see Only Lovers Left Alive?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on July 30, 2015, 09:03:46 am
Saw Irrational Man last night.  I went in not really knowing much of what it was about (except the backdrop of philosophy), and I really enjoyed it.  I definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 30, 2015, 05:52:10 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 30, 2015, 07:31:50 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
belay that. It was good.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on July 30, 2015, 11:44:54 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
belay that. It was good.

It's a good movie :P
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 31, 2015, 12:25:14 am
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
belay that. It was good.

It's a good movie :P
thx. Nobody responded quickly enough, so I just looked it up on imdb (which I hate doing because they're terrible all the time but wtvr, had no choice) and it had a high rating, so I went for it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on July 31, 2015, 12:33:14 am
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
belay that. It was good.

It's a good movie :P
thx. Nobody responded quickly enough, so I just looked it up on imdb (which I hate doing because they're terrible all the time but wtvr, had no choice) and it had a high rating, so I went for it.

imdb is fine. At least it's not Rotten Tomatoes.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on July 31, 2015, 02:17:12 am
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?
belay that. It was good.

It's a good movie :P
thx. Nobody responded quickly enough, so I just looked it up on imdb (which I hate doing because they're terrible all the time but wtvr, had no choice) and it had a high rating, so I went for it.

imdb is fine. At least it's not Rotten Tomatoes.
I've been burned by imdb before
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on July 31, 2015, 09:11:13 am
I came across The Drop late at night last weekend.  I missed the first part of it, but I thought it was really good.  Well, slow, kind of brooding, so you have to like that, but I definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on August 02, 2015, 03:29:29 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?

One of the all-time greats. We actually had to watch it as part of summer "reading" in high school. Everyone should see this movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 02, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
I watched Horns last night.  You should all do the same.  Well, not last night, since it's too late for that.  But some other night.  Or day.  Or whatever.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on August 02, 2015, 04:59:54 pm
Have you read the book?  (You should all read Horns, by the way.)

I didn't go to see the film because I'd just finished the book at the time and was worried it would bias me.  But it's been long enough now I'll try to watch it sometime soon.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on August 02, 2015, 05:08:48 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?

One of the all-time greats. We actually had to watch it as part of summer "reading" in high school. Everyone should see this movie.
I wouldn't consider it an all time great, but I did enjoy and would recommend it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 02, 2015, 05:47:48 pm
Have you read the book?  (You should all read Horns, by the way.)

I didn't go to see the film because I'd just finished the book at the time and was worried it would bias me.  But it's been long enough now I'll try to watch it sometime soon.

No.  I didn't even hear of the book.  I had heard of the movie, saw a couple previews, and knew that I wanted to see it.  Just got around to it last night.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on August 03, 2015, 12:29:29 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?

One of the all-time greats. We actually had to watch it as part of summer "reading" in high school. Everyone should see this movie.
I wouldn't consider it an all time great, but I did enjoy and would recommend it.

I saw it recently and I don't get why it's considered a classic. A bunch of kids go to see a dead body and Keifer Sutherland says he's gonna git 'em someday. Fin.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 03, 2015, 12:40:40 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?

One of the all-time greats. We actually had to watch it as part of summer "reading" in high school. Everyone should see this movie.
I wouldn't consider it an all time great, but I did enjoy and would recommend it.

I saw it recently and I don't get why it's considered a classic. A bunch of kids go to see a dead body and Keifer Sutherland says he's gonna git 'em someday. Fin.

Ha, classic Keifer.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 03, 2015, 12:51:02 pm
Anybody ever watch "Stand by Me"? Is it any good?

One of the all-time greats. We actually had to watch it as part of summer "reading" in high school. Everyone should see this movie.
I wouldn't consider it an all time great, but I did enjoy and would recommend it.

I saw it recently and I don't get why it's considered a classic. A bunch of kids go to see a dead body and Keifer Sutherland says he's gonna git 'em someday. Fin.

I mean, it's about the boys growing up together, and going through this experience. But I wouldn't say it's the best movie ever. It's good though.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 03, 2015, 05:46:27 pm
I watched Horns last night.  You should all do the same.  Well, not last night, since it's too late for that.  But some other night.  Or day.  Or whatever.
I didnt think it was that good. Very depressing. Acting wasn't particularly good. and also a bit of a cop out at the end when they made a cartoonishly evil guy for us to all be pissed at and revel mutually in his greusome death.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on August 04, 2015, 10:41:59 am
For better movies with vampires, did anyone see Only Lovers Left Alive?

I am now intrigued by this. I may have to check it out.

My favorite vampire movie is Near Dark. It's not a great movie, but it's a neat portrayal of vampires. Vampires tend to be shown as really elegant or downright bestial. While these vampires are closer to bestial, they are also well developed characters. Maybe a little too close to caricature, but I could overlook that.

imdb is fine. At least it's not Rotten Tomatoes.

Interesting. I found my experiences the opposite. IMDB scores are set by the general populace. Rotten Tomatoes aggregates critics' scores. Does anyone else find IMDB rating more accurate than RT?

In general, I've found that RT scores of 70+ are often enjoyable to me while scores of 40 or less are not. Those in the middle depend on how much appeal the concept has for me. But RT did steer me wrong with Furious 7. Thank goodness I was only there to watch Fury Road and could leave in the middle of Furious 7.
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Post by: Seprix on August 04, 2015, 11:08:15 am
I find IMDB is better than Tomatoes in general. Critics can hate a movie for the stupidest of reasons, and they're paid to watch movies all the time. They've seen everything. A good movie won't have as good an impact on them anymore. They also quite often get bored and rate a movie lower than it deserves in order to be funny, as witnessed by bad reviews with a line where they reference something in the movie to how bad it is, like 'if I had a time machine, I'd go back in time and not watch movie about time machine'. IMDB isn't always correct either, but I feel like the reviews are on average more honest. If I really want to gauge a movie, I'll check both sites out but my first choice is usually IMDB.

EDIT: IMDB has a problem with rating movies too high sometimes, as witnessed in Interstellar being rated as like #20 as the best movie of all time. I love Interstellar, but I don't think it's that good...? I don't know. They're both shoddy really.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on August 04, 2015, 11:21:48 am
EDIT: IMDB has a problem with rating movies too high sometimes, as witnessed in Interstellar being rated as like #20 as the best movie of all time.

Well, if Interstellar being #20 is too high, that doesn't mean IMDB has a general problem with rating movies too high. It just means that some other movie that should really be the #20 is rated too low.

If anything, IMDB has a problem with giving all movies a rather mediocre rating, which is not really surprising when you consider how many people are rating them.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 04, 2015, 11:22:58 am
The problem with IMDB is that the more popular something is, the more stupid trolls deteriorate the message boards.  For lower-key shows, or even fairly popular ones that aren't in the spotlight, there are people there making interesting discussions.  The boards for True Detective and Hannibal were actually pretty interesting and enlightening towards the very beginning (first half or so of Season 1 of True Detective, and maybe the first season or two of Hannibal).  Now you have to wade through endless posts of people trying to start arguments and call each other idiots. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on August 04, 2015, 11:43:36 am
I went to see the new Mission Impossible. It was do dumb. And the action wasnt even that great. Mad Max kicks it's butt so hard.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on August 04, 2015, 11:51:31 am
I went to see the new Mission Impossible.

There's your problem right there.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on August 04, 2015, 12:50:51 pm
I find IMDB is better than Tomatoes in general. Critics can hate a movie for the stupidest of reasons, and they're paid to watch movies all the time. They've seen everything. A good movie won't have as good an impact on them anymore. They also quite often get bored and rate a movie lower than it deserves in order to be funny

I'd rather have a critic hate a movie for some weird reason than a thousand people hate a movie because they didn't get it. It's because a critic has seen everything that I can appreciate his point of view. And yeah, I may disagree with a specific review (I was unable to forgive Ebert for his trashing of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, but he's dead now, so it's really silly to hold that against the man), but that's where the aggregate score of Rotten Tomatoes is useful. Someone may have a stupid reason for liking or disliking a movie, but there are 70-200 other critics who affect the final score, and not all of them have the dumbest of reasons.

So yeah, there may be a critic who bases his review on how witty he can make it sound, but they get drowned out. That 98% movie might have been unanimous except for that one guy who wants to stand out, but I'm not listening to just his review. I do actually read it, though. I always read the dissenting reviews of a product that gets great reviews. Maybe the dissenting review is being unreasonable, but maybe it's a matter of the emperor's new clothes. Reading those reviews gives me an idea of which.

I have noticed a higher amount on sequels that I wouldn't expect. Mission Impossible is sitting at 93% right now. I was bored of the original and never watched the sequels. I don't see myself watching this, and I'm intrigued by the fact that 186 reviewers marked it high. But I can't judge that movie since I've not watched it. On the other hand, Furious 7 has 81%, and I cannot figure out what these critics were watching. The only thing I can think of is that many people don't want to shit over the final movie of that actor who died. Here, IMDB failed us as well, giving a score of 75%.

But looking at IMDB stats, I am reminded of another aggregate review site: Metacritic. I generally don't use Metacritic, but it is something I've looked at before. It has much harsher criteria. For example, it rated Furious 7 at 67, which is still way too high, but it presents a more realistic approach. I think the reason why Metacritic seems to be lower than RT is that RT uses a binary system of thumbs up/thumbs down, while Metacritic uses a more robust scoring system that allows for gradation. Because of that, I lower the bar when looking at Metacritic. While I start to question a movie's value when it rates at lower than 70% on RT, I do not question it on Metacritic.

Just for fun, I pulled some scores of movies I've seen.
Memento
MC: 80. IMDB: 85. RT: 92
Guardians of the Galaxy
MC: 76. IMDB: 81. RT: 91
Fury Road
MC: 89. IMDB: 84. RT: 98
Interestingly enough, this is a rare moment where the Metacritic score is actually higher than IMDB.

At least all three of the scores of these movies are fairly close. It's hard to say if IMDB scores are unfairly bumped by trolls or fanboys.

Heh, let's look up Hudson Hawk. RT has 24%. IMDB has 57. Metacritic has 17. As much as I love the movie, it's not great, and IMDB's score is obviously based on nostalgia or love of cult classics and not on quality. I have to agree with RT and Metacritic here. Of course, I'd still watch the hell out of the movie. I even have it on DVD. I have no regrets in watching it in the theatre, but yeah, it's bad. And that's okay.
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Post by: UmbrageOfSnow on August 04, 2015, 03:12:36 pm
For better movies with vampires, did anyone see Only Lovers Left Alive?

I am now intrigued by this. I may have to check it out.

My favorite vampire movie is Near Dark. It's not a great movie, but it's a neat portrayal of vampires. Vampires tend to be shown as really elegant or downright bestial. While these vampires are closer to bestial, they are also well developed characters. Maybe a little too close to caricature, but I could overlook that.

My favorite vampire move is the original Swedish "Let the Right One In"
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 07, 2015, 01:26:30 pm
Anyone see Elizabethtown? I thought it was really good, not as good as almost famous or Jerry Maguire, but still really good, but it seems to be widely considered a bad movie. Huh.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 17, 2015, 11:42:28 pm
Just re-watched the end bit of The French Connection. Probably one of the best and earliest uses of shaky-cam in cinema. I forgot how good this movie was. by the end it feels like gene hackman's character has completely lost any sense of right and wrong. He chases criminals because he is a cop and they are criminals. It's become his way of life, and not something he does because he necessarily believes it is moral, but just something he does. anyone else feel this way?
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Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2015, 05:52:00 am
A movie that's so awful it's amazing to watch is an interesting beast. Do you rate it higher because you enjoyed it more or do you rate it lower because it's obviously so shitty compared to all the other movies?
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 18, 2015, 08:03:04 am
A movie that's so awful it's amazing to watch is an interesting beast. Do you rate it higher because you enjoyed it more or do you rate it lower because it's obviously so shitty compared to all the other movies?

I will rate those movies low. I can face the facts that enjoyable != good.

For example, if someone asks me for a score, I would rank Hudson Hawk 2 stars. I love the hell out of that movie: cheesy candy bar nicknames, ball gags (not to be confused with ball gags), using a song as a timer, crucifix radios, and even Sandra Bernhardt's abrasive personality (though barely). But you know, it's not really a good movie. While kind of charming, it really seems to have no idea if it's trying to be an action movie or a slapstick movie. A movie could be both (see Kung Fu Hustle), but I don't think Hudson Hawk really captured both adequately.

So I'll rate it low, but I'll asterisk that by saying that I found it enjoyable despite those flaws.
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Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2015, 05:57:19 pm
A movie that's so awful it's amazing to watch is an interesting beast. Do you rate it higher because you enjoyed it more or do you rate it lower because it's obviously so shitty compared to all the other movies?

I will rate those movies low. I can face the facts that enjoyable != good.

For example, if someone asks me for a score, I would rank Hudson Hawk 2 stars. I love the hell out of that movie: cheesy candy bar nicknames, ball gags (not to be confused with ball gags), using a song as a timer, crucifix radios, and even Sandra Bernhardt's abrasive personality (though barely). But you know, it's not really a good movie. While kind of charming, it really seems to have no idea if it's trying to be an action movie or a slapstick movie. A movie could be both (see Kung Fu Hustle), but I don't think Hudson Hawk really captured both adequately.

So I'll rate it low, but I'll asterisk that by saying that I found it enjoyable despite those flaws.

Man, I don't know. A movie can be absolutely terrible and yet be an amazing movie you would recommend to your friends. Sure, it should get demerits on an official scale, but there should be a separate score for bad movies specifically on how fun they are. When I get around to copying RedLetterMedia and JonTron and creating my own interactive media about movie reviews on YouTube, I might just implement such a scale.
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Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2015, 06:00:37 pm
Oh! Speaking of bad movies, I watched Batman and Robin yesterday. That was NOT a fun bad movie.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 18, 2015, 06:04:33 pm
A movie that's so awful it's amazing to watch is an interesting beast. Do you rate it higher because you enjoyed it more or do you rate it lower because it's obviously so shitty compared to all the other movies?

I will rate those movies low. I can face the facts that enjoyable != good.

For example, if someone asks me for a score, I would rank Hudson Hawk 2 stars. I love the hell out of that movie: cheesy candy bar nicknames, ball gags (not to be confused with ball gags), using a song as a timer, crucifix radios, and even Sandra Bernhardt's abrasive personality (though barely). But you know, it's not really a good movie. While kind of charming, it really seems to have no idea if it's trying to be an action movie or a slapstick movie. A movie could be both (see Kung Fu Hustle), but I don't think Hudson Hawk really captured both adequately.

So I'll rate it low, but I'll asterisk that by saying that I found it enjoyable despite those flaws.
im not sure what you're saying here. What's the difference between a movie being good and a movie being enjoyable? Surely you don't mean "good" as in objectively good? It's just good in your opinion. The Godfather is good in a lot of people's opinions, but that doesn't make it objectively good. So if "good" and "enjoyable" are both subjective terms, then what is the difference?
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Post by: Seprix on August 18, 2015, 06:22:34 pm
A movie that's so awful it's amazing to watch is an interesting beast. Do you rate it higher because you enjoyed it more or do you rate it lower because it's obviously so shitty compared to all the other movies?

I will rate those movies low. I can face the facts that enjoyable != good.

For example, if someone asks me for a score, I would rank Hudson Hawk 2 stars. I love the hell out of that movie: cheesy candy bar nicknames, ball gags (not to be confused with ball gags), using a song as a timer, crucifix radios, and even Sandra Bernhardt's abrasive personality (though barely). But you know, it's not really a good movie. While kind of charming, it really seems to have no idea if it's trying to be an action movie or a slapstick movie. A movie could be both (see Kung Fu Hustle), but I don't think Hudson Hawk really captured both adequately.

So I'll rate it low, but I'll asterisk that by saying that I found it enjoyable despite those flaws.
im not sure what your saying here. What's the difference between a movie being good and a movie being enjoyable? Surely you don't mean "good" as in objectively good? It's just good in your opinion. The Godfather is good in a lot of people's opinions, bit that doesn't make it objectively good. So if "good" and "enjoyable" are both subjective terms, then what is the difference?

Good is in terms of a good story, good writing and originality, good acting, good direction, good post-production, etc. E.G. The Godfather is generally considered a great movie, moving it close (though never completely) to objectivity. I still have to work out the 'enjoyable' factor and call it something different, but I generally know what it will measure.
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Post by: pacovf on August 23, 2015, 10:28:46 am
I watched Primer yesterday.

...I think this sentence is a perfect synthesis of the experience.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 23, 2015, 11:23:21 am
I watched Primer yesterday.

...I think this sentence is a perfect synthesis of the experience.

Oh man. Primer is something else. I got to the end of it and thought "What?".
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 12:05:58 pm
I started thinking "what?" well before the end.
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Post by: pacovf on August 23, 2015, 12:32:16 pm
I usually have trouble following alternate universe style time travel stories, and this one went full bananas with the premise. It doesn't help either that it's unclear what sort of time travel story this was until the very end. Nor does it that I couldn't quite make out what they were saying at times...

I've read some explanations online, and I still don't really understand what's up with Aaron's motivations. I didn't even know there was a character called Joseph Platts until I read those explanations!
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 23, 2015, 01:38:07 pm
It's supposed to be a challenge to figure out.  You don't even know which Aaron is narrating.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 23, 2015, 01:41:37 pm
It is supposed to be confusing. But at the same time I think there was a little too much packed into the movie.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 23, 2015, 01:48:35 pm
I don't think so at all.  I think it was fantastic.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 01:59:48 pm
Speaking of movies I didn't understand, did anybody see Revolver?  I had not a clue what was going on, but I still thought it was pretty good fun.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 23, 2015, 02:27:45 pm
Speaking of movies I didn't understand, did anybody see Revolver?  I had not a clue what was going on, but I still thought it was pretty good fun.

The Guy Ritchie movie? I saw it. I understood it by the end. It was meant to be confusing because the main character didn't know what was happening. If I remember correctly Jason Statham was set up by two guys in prison who conned him into thinking they were going to bust him out or something. It's been a while since I saw it. And it was a long con to get him to get money for them or something.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 02:37:21 pm
Speaking of movies I didn't understand, did anybody see Revolver?  I had not a clue what was going on, but I still thought it was pretty good fun.

The Guy Ritchie movie? I saw it. I understood it by the end. It was meant to be confusing because the main character didn't know what was happening. If I remember correctly Jason Statham was set up by two guys in prison who conned him into thinking they were going to bust him out or something. It's been a while since I saw it. And it was a long con to get him to get money for them or something.
yes. This part I got. But there was a host of other nonsense going on.
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Post by: KingZog3 on August 23, 2015, 02:46:55 pm
Speaking of movies I didn't understand, did anybody see Revolver?  I had not a clue what was going on, but I still thought it was pretty good fun.

The Guy Ritchie movie? I saw it. I understood it by the end. It was meant to be confusing because the main character didn't know what was happening. If I remember correctly Jason Statham was set up by two guys in prison who conned him into thinking they were going to bust him out or something. It's been a while since I saw it. And it was a long con to get him to get money for them or something.
yes. This part I got. But there was a host of other nonsense going on.

I'd have to watch it again. I don't remember all the other stuff. I took a few minutes after i watched it and got most of what was happening.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 03:19:21 pm
Speaking of movies I didn't understand, did anybody see Revolver?  I had not a clue what was going on, but I still thought it was pretty good fun.

The Guy Ritchie movie? I saw it. I understood it by the end. It was meant to be confusing because the main character didn't know what was happening. If I remember correctly Jason Statham was set up by two guys in prison who conned him into thinking they were going to bust him out or something. It's been a while since I saw it. And it was a long con to get him to get money for them or something.
yes. This part I got. But there was a host of other nonsense going on.

I'd have to watch it again. I don't remember all the other stuff. I took a few minutes after i watched it and got most of what was happening.
Just read the Wikipedia page for the movie. After I read that, I still didn't know what had happened.
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 23, 2015, 05:52:07 pm
If we're taking confusing movies, anyone seen Inherent Vice?
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 06:48:06 pm
If we're taking confusing movies, anyone seen Inherent Vice?
no, but I want to
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Post by: Teproc on August 23, 2015, 07:57:49 pm
Just saw Schindler's List. I think I'm going to be sick, I've never seen anything as exploitative, manipulative and borderline xenophobic. How is this an acclaimed movie ?
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Post by: Witherweaver on August 23, 2015, 08:26:41 pm
Just saw Schindler's List. I think I'm going to be sick, I've never seen anything as exploitative, manipulative and borderline xenophobic. How is this an acclaimed movie ?

I don't follow.  I only saw it in high school, so I don't have too strong a memory of it.  Who is it xenophobic against?  Germans?
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Post by: Teproc on August 23, 2015, 08:41:53 pm
Just saw Schindler's List. I think I'm going to be sick, I've never seen anything as exploitative, manipulative and borderline xenophobic. How is this an acclaimed movie ?

I don't follow.  I only saw it in high school, so I don't have too strong a memory of it.  Who is it xenophobic against?  Germans?

Yes. The whole movie is by English-speaking actors speaking with terrible German accents (that's annoying but not bad in and of itself)... except for when soldiers are killing Jews during the Krakow massacre : THERE they're speaking Germans. It honestly shocked me.
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Post by: skip wooznum on August 23, 2015, 10:36:56 pm
Just saw Schindler's List. I think I'm going to be sick, I've never seen anything as exploitative, manipulative and borderline xenophobic. How is this an acclaimed movie ?

I don't follow.  I only saw it in high school, so I don't have too strong a memory of it.  Who is it xenophobic against?  Germans?

Yes. The whole movie is by English-speaking actors speaking with terrible German accents (that's annoying but not bad in and of itself)... except for when soldiers are killing Jews during the Krakow massacre : THERE they're speaking Germans. It honestly shocked me.
yeah, I guess maybe you're right? Still a good movie. Ray Fiennes was still excellent. I don't know any Germans so I have nothing to offer on whether he did a good accent.
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Post by: GendoIkari on August 24, 2015, 12:32:43 am
I've seen Primer at least 5 times. Most recently just last month. I still have trouble following it. But it's awesome.
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Post by: Teproc on August 24, 2015, 08:52:18 am
Just saw Schindler's List. I think I'm going to be sick, I've never seen anything as exploitative, manipulative and borderline xenophobic. How is this an acclaimed movie ?

I don't follow.  I only saw it in high school, so I don't have too strong a memory of it.  Who is it xenophobic against?  Germans?

Yes. The whole movie is by English-speaking actors speaking with terrible German accents (that's annoying but not bad in and of itself)... except for when soldiers are killing Jews during the Krakow massacre : THERE they're speaking Germans. It honestly shocked me.
yeah, I guess maybe you're right? Still a good movie. Ray Fiennes was still excellent. I don't know any Germans so I have nothing to offer on whether he did a good accent.

Well I haven't heard many Germans speak English so maybe his accent was good, but it was distracting to me, it added a level of artificiality.

Mostly I felt that this movie about the Holocaust was constantly trying to add stakes and manipulate emotionally when... I mean it's the Holocaust, you really don't need to add anything to make it emotionally involving.
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Post by: pacovf on August 24, 2015, 10:54:07 am
I half remember Spielberg saying that he had to tone down the story because otherwise he expected viewers to think he was overdoing it. So it's kinda funny that you say that.

Plus there's Liam Neeson crying at the end because he could have saved more people. How could you resist that.  :(
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 26, 2015, 01:42:56 pm
An interesting criticism of It Follows by another film-lover, Quentin Tarantino:
http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/how-quentin-tarantino-would-fix-it-follows.html

There's a lot more in that article than his criticism of the movie, but that was the most interesting part.

I mostly agree with him on this. The theatre scene didn't bug me at first because I didn't know what was going on. After the movie, I realized that the dude was really way too dégagé about the situation. He really should have been freaking out.

And yeah the characters could have handled some scenes better, but that's the luxury we have as movie audiences. We see the big picture, and we are nice and calm in our seats. We can think up better ways to handle something when we're not being chased by a monster. So in that regard, I have to disagree with QT on this criticism.

But it's clear that the director loves movies. There were some really good shots in It Follows.
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Post by: Kuildeous on August 30, 2015, 03:44:05 pm
I finally saw Edge of Tomorrow. Good movie. Quite a few elements from Starship Troopers, Paycheck, and Run, Lola, Run.

But that ending was the coppiest-out of cop-outs as I ever did see.
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Post by: eHalcyon on August 31, 2015, 08:13:29 pm
I watched Cloud Atlas this weekend.  I liked it, but I suspect that it would have been a bit too confusing if I hadn't read the book before.  Also, some of the makeup/prosthetics were cringe-worthy, like when Halle Berry played an old Asian man.  I'm also not sure whether they followed the book with the protagonist in each story being the same reincarnated soul (minus one) or whether they meant for the audience to consider each actor representing the same soul in each story.  I suspect the latter, and I guess that's an OK change for the film adaptation (although that would raise a question of what happened with Hugo Weaving's character, who is not an actual being but a vision or hallucination in the sixth story).  I did like the way they weaved all six stories together instead of using the nest structure of the book, which is great for prose but probably would not have worked for visual media.
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Post by: Seprix on August 31, 2015, 08:33:17 pm
I finally saw Edge of Tomorrow. Good movie. Quite a few elements from Starship Troopers, Paycheck, and Run, Lola, Run.

But that ending was the coppiest-out of cop-outs as I ever did see.

The ending was awful. This movie was great until the very end.
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Post by: pacovf on August 31, 2015, 08:48:47 pm
The only good part of the film was the one with the publisher and the nursing home. And that one was great. Everything else wanted to be a 25 min movie, and failed. Sometimes resoundingly.
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Post by: eHalcyon on August 31, 2015, 09:34:18 pm
The only good part of the film was the one with the publisher and the nursing home. And that one was great. Everything else wanted to be a 25 min movie, and failed. Sometimes resoundingly.

Did you read the book?
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Post by: pacovf on August 31, 2015, 11:49:30 pm
No. You think my opinion would change if I had?
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Post by: KingZog3 on September 01, 2015, 11:43:48 am
Watched Nightcrawler last night. It was very watchable, besides the ending that felt rushed. Jake Gyllenhall did a pretty job I thought.
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Post by: Teproc on September 01, 2015, 12:01:34 pm
Grave of the Fireflies/Hotaru no Haka is incredible. Also, very sad. But also very beautiful. You should watch it.

I'm intrigued by Cloud Atlas having watched and mostly liked Sense8. Am I correct in assuming it's pretty similar to that show in spirit ?
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Post by: Seprix on September 01, 2015, 12:04:23 pm
Grave of the Fireflies/Hotaru no Haka is incredible. Also, very sad. But also very beautiful. You should watch it.

I was just thinking of this movie the other day. I watched it when I was 7. I was never the same again.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 01, 2015, 12:06:24 pm
I really liked Cloud Atlas.  I haven't read the book, but I thought the movie was very well done, especially in terms of storytelling. 
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Post by: pacovf on September 01, 2015, 12:16:16 pm
Watched Nightcrawler last night. It was very watchable, besides the ending that felt rushed. Jake Gyllenhall did a pretty job I thought.

I liked Jake in it, but the story itself felt a bit disjointed, like it didn't really know where it wanted to go. Just show the depths to which his character is willing to stoop (i.e., any and all)? Ok, I guess...

Grave of the Fireflies/Hotaru no Haka is incredible. Also, very sad. But also very beautiful. You should watch it.

Dunno, I watched it not so long ago, and I felt like it was trying too hard. Plus, the kid was kind of an arse, so I never got emotionally involved in the story, which doesn't help any.


...Man, I am giving so many negative reviews lately.
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Post by: eHalcyon on September 01, 2015, 12:24:31 pm
No. You think my opinion would change if I had?

Maybe.  Or you might enjoy the book a lot and still find the film lacklustre.


@Teproc, you could give it a look.  It's got similar visual flair (of course) but the separate threads/characters are not as connected as in sense8.
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Post by: Awaclus on September 01, 2015, 01:07:37 pm
Cloud Atlas would be worth watching for the visuals alone. The story is very good, too (in the sense that I like how it conveys the things it's probably supposed to convey; the literal story itself is not all that important IMO). I haven't seen Sense8 though.
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Post by: Teproc on September 01, 2015, 02:31:00 pm
Grave of the Fireflies/Hotaru no Haka is incredible. Also, very sad. But also very beautiful. You should watch it.

Dunno, I watched it not so long ago, and I felt like it was trying too hard. Plus, the kid was kind of an arse, so I never got emotionally involved in the story, which doesn't help any.

An arse ? I mean, he makes bad decisions, but he's never mean. I get the "trying too hard" part, that often stops me from enjoying things (e.g. Schindler's List), but it worked here because I'm a sucker for Ghibli basically.
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Post by: pacovf on September 01, 2015, 04:57:01 pm
I had a hard time deciding who I disliked the most, him or the aunt. I understand that his situation sort of excuses his being so spiteful and self-destructive, but at the end of the day, that doesn't make him any more endearing.
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Post by: Teproc on September 01, 2015, 05:45:10 pm
I had a hard time deciding who I disliked the most, him or the aunt. I understand that his situation sort of excuses his being so spiteful and self-destructive, but at the end of the day, that doesn't make him any more endearing.

I don't read him as spiteful at all. His aunt is right, but she's a real dick about it, considering they're two kids who just lost their mother.

Obviously (well, for me at least), the real emotional weight of the movie is on the girl anyway, but I felt for the boy as well. Sure he makes mistakes, and is arguably responsible for everything bad that happens eventually, but that doesn't detract from how powerful the story is for me.

To be clear I'm not trying to convince you, that'd be rather pointless, I can see how this can ruin the movie for someone, but I don't see it as flaw in and of itself.
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Post by: Kuildeous on September 03, 2015, 10:44:08 pm
Birdman

or

So You Want to Watch Black Swan but Hate Ballet
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Post by: KingZog3 on September 04, 2015, 12:11:08 am
Birdman

or

So You Want to Watch Black Swan but Hate Ballet

I think birdman suffered from not being weird enough. I was really intrigued at the start if the film, when he's floating in his room, with the ambiguous images that flash on screen. But then they just explain everything. It would have maintained the intrigue if they cut the bad CGI, and kept the strange composition and ambiguousness of the birdman persona.
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Post by: Witherweaver on September 04, 2015, 12:57:43 am
I thought Birdman was perfect.  And there was ambiguity through the ending.
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Post by: KingZog3 on September 04, 2015, 10:25:01 am
I thought Birdman was perfect.  And there was ambiguity through the ending.

Don't get wrong I liked it, I just liked the start of the movie much than once they explain everything clearly. It felt like an art movie that was rewritten to be a regular movie.
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Post by: ashersky on September 08, 2015, 10:37:01 am
I've seen This is Where I Leave You twice for some reason.

It's pretty good.
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Post by: KingZog3 on September 08, 2015, 02:31:11 pm
I went to see Song of the Sea, an animated film. It's a children's movie, but the style was very pleasant and it was charming. I recommend it, especially if you like 2D animation.
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Post by: Titandrake on September 10, 2015, 02:05:18 am
Rewatched The Lego Movie today on a whim. Wow, I forgot how good that movie was. (Good as in entertaining/fun, there are movies with better artistry, although I would argue Lego Movie has some really cool shots.)
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Post by: Grujah on September 20, 2015, 07:45:26 am
Hey, for a year or so I'm really into movies. I caught up with quite a few of essential stuff that I've missed, and I try to watch all kind of stuff now.
I've recently made a letterboxd account and starting writing reviews. They are not much and I am not really confident in my writing skills (especially in English) but well, it can't really hurt and I'm having fun.

So, here are the two I've written so far (Wolf of Wall Street and Unforgiven) http://letterboxd.com/grujah/films/reviews/
You can also see my account there and the movies that I've watched.  (ratings are a work in progress)

I would REALLY APPRECIATE recommendations - you can see what I've watch, so anything that isn't on that list is fine. genres, age, country - doesn't matter. Anything that I might like, and I do appreciate hidden gems more than some familiar titles (Many of which I have on my "watchlist" :P ) I can't really watch this years movies ATM though as I don't have a good cinema nearby.
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Post by: Teproc on September 20, 2015, 02:11:33 pm
I'm on lettebox'd too, I'll follow you right away.

As for recommendations... I think you'd like Blood Simple, I think I saw good ratings for some Coen Bros. films in there. Blood Simple is their first film and it is astoundingly good, one of their best even though you don't hear about is as much.

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Post by: KingZog3 on September 20, 2015, 02:18:58 pm
I recomend Drive. It's a really well done film. A lot of my other favorites you've already watched, but I didn't see The Sting. It's a great Paul Newman/Robert Redford movie.

EDIT: I also recomend the new Dredd movie. And John Wick :P Both good action movies.
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Post by: Grujah on September 20, 2015, 02:37:47 pm
I'm on lettebox'd too, I'll follow you right away.

As for recommendations... I think you'd like Blood Simple, I think I saw good ratings for some Coen Bros. films in there. Blood Simple is their first film and it is astoundingly good, one of their best even though you don't hear about is as much.

Yeah, i love coen bros! Big Lebowki and Fargo got me, but Burn After Reading is what aealed the deal.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on September 20, 2015, 02:43:11 pm
I recomend Drive. It's a really well done film. A lot of my other favorites you've already watched, but I didn't see The Sting. It's a great Paul Newman/Robert Redford movie.

EDIT: I also recomend the new Dredd movie. And John Wick :P Both good action movies.

drive is on my list. Ive seen the sting, as newman / redford duo is what msde butch and sundance so memorable. Redford was great in sting, but i think the movie itself didnt age so well, as the whole hustle thing is a pretty standard thing today so the thrill just wasnt there.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: yuma on September 20, 2015, 03:17:09 pm
A favorite of mine of late is Gaslight. Ingrid Bergman. And it coined a Psychological term, that I won't explain given its relevance to the plot. But it was psych class that interested me in the first place and it ended being pretty good. Somewhat Hitchcockian...
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on September 21, 2015, 09:38:04 am
Watch Swingers.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on September 21, 2015, 02:19:03 pm
@grujah, great reviews, I agree with a good deal of your points. But I'd have to say you're underrating The Sting quite a bit. It's basically the movie that is responsible for contemporary con movies such as Ocean's 11, Inside Man, Matchstick Men, and I'm sure there are others I can't think of as well. Even something like Inception is deeply rooted in The Sting.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on September 21, 2015, 03:13:52 pm
I understand that, and I actually did enjoy watching it as it has that old school charm that I like. I can see it from historical point how it was something new and fresh, but you know, Hustle has done the same elaborate schemes every week for 8 seasons, so, you are kinda used to the whole plot.

But for example, one movie that I did very much enjoy, and it is this same "old school con movies" is the original Italian Job, with Micheal Kane.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 21, 2015, 03:15:12 pm
Sneakers ~
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on September 21, 2015, 03:37:50 pm
I understand that, and I actually did enjoy watching it as it has that old school charm that I like. I can see it from historical point how it was something new and fresh, but you know, Hustle has done the same elaborate schemes every week for 8 seasons, so, you are kinda used to the whole plot.

But for example, one movie that I did very much enjoy, and it is this same "old school con movies" is the original Italian Job, with Micheal Kane.

Hustle also did an episode which was literally The Sting but done way worse. Hustle is a fun show, but it has far less character development that the Sting has. The film has the tension of Redford's character with the older generation of conmen.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: yuma on September 21, 2015, 03:38:14 pm
@grujah, great reviews, I agree with a good deal of your points. But I'd have to say you're underrating The Sting quite a bit. It's basically the movie that is responsible for contemporary con movies such as Ocean's 11.

actually, the original ocean's eleven came out 13 years before the sting. sinatra, martin, sammy davis jr.

but really the clooney/pitt version is way better
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on September 21, 2015, 07:10:30 pm
I'm with Grujah on The Sting. It's a pretty fun movie, but not much more. It might be influential, but that's beside the point if you're judging the movie for itself, otherwise the best movie of all time would be "L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat" (the Lumière film with the train, first public screening of a film).
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on September 21, 2015, 07:27:01 pm
@grujah, great reviews, I agree with a good deal of your points. But I'd have to say you're underrating The Sting quite a bit. It's basically the movie that is responsible for contemporary con movies such as Ocean's 11.

actually, the original ocean's eleven came out 13 years before the sting. sinatra, martin, sammy davis jr.

but really the clooney/pitt version is way better
you're right of course. I knew that, but I've never seen it so I guess it just slipped my mind.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on September 21, 2015, 08:33:46 pm
I understand that, and I actually did enjoy watching it as it has that old school charm that I like. I can see it from historical point how it was something new and fresh, but you know, Hustle has done the same elaborate schemes every week for 8 seasons, so, you are kinda used to the whole plot.

But for example, one movie that I did very much enjoy, and it is this same "old school con movies" is the original Italian Job, with Micheal Kane.

Hustle also did an episode which was literally The Sting but done way worse. Hustle is a fun show, but it has far less character development that the Sting has. The film has the tension of Redford's character with the older generation of conmen.

Film has things going for it, I do not deny that. Redford's character is being chased by so many different parties during the movie and getting away is probably my favourite part. It's just that the scam plot nowadays doesn't really hold water anymore.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 21, 2015, 09:44:47 pm
On the subject of movies, thoughts on the upcoming Steve Jobs?  There have been a lot of movies about him, and I've seen none of them, and don't really have any interest in him.  However, it is written by Aaron Sorkin (he wrote The Social Network along with a bunch of TV shows (e.g., Sports Night)), and directed by Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, Sunshine, Slumdog Millionaire, etc.).  Also Michael Fassbender is in it.  So I'll probably see it (Danny Boyle being the biggest reason).
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on September 21, 2015, 10:02:26 pm
I pretty much hate the Cult of Jobs, so, I am probably skipping it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 21, 2015, 10:27:51 pm
I pretty much hate the Cult of Jobs, so, I am probably skipping it.

But the cult of Danny Boyle...
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on September 22, 2015, 04:52:16 am
Cult of Aaron Sorkin for me, I'll definitely be watching it.

And the only thing more annoying to me than people idolizing Steve Jobs are the ones demonizing him. We'll see which way the film goes, hopefully somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on September 24, 2015, 08:33:56 am
Showing Rocky Horror Picture Show at a drive-in theatre.

Bad idea or worst idea?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 09:29:42 am
Showing Rocky Horror Picture Show at a drive-in theatre.

Bad idea or worstBest idea.

Fixed that for you
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on September 24, 2015, 09:48:59 am
I've never seen RHPS.

I've listened to all of Bat out of Hell I and II, though, so that's the same, right?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 09:51:07 am
I've never seen RHPS.

I've listened to all of Bat out of Hell I and II, though, so that's the same, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRl55U0eDw
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on September 24, 2015, 10:00:52 am
On the subject of movies, thoughts on the upcoming Steve Jobs?  There have been a lot of movies about him, and I've seen none of them, and don't really have any interest in him.  However, it is written by Aaron Sorkin (he wrote The Social Network along with a bunch of TV shows (e.g., Sports Night)), and directed by Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, Sunshine, Slumdog Millionaire, etc.).  Also Michael Fassbender is in it.  So I'll probably see it (Danny Boyle being the biggest reason).

So I'm not a fan of Danny Boyle. I can appreciate that he has a talented and unique style; I just happen to not like that style. Like I did think 127 Hours was great, but there were some scenes where it was just like "oh, here's that Danny Boyle style now". I'll see the new movie some day anyway, on DVD. I actually really liked Jobs; I thought Kutcher was really good in it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 10:15:32 am
On the subject of movies, thoughts on the upcoming Steve Jobs?  There have been a lot of movies about him, and I've seen none of them, and don't really have any interest in him.  However, it is written by Aaron Sorkin (he wrote The Social Network along with a bunch of TV shows (e.g., Sports Night)), and directed by Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, Sunshine, Slumdog Millionaire, etc.).  Also Michael Fassbender is in it.  So I'll probably see it (Danny Boyle being the biggest reason).

So I'm not a fan of Danny Boyle.

You may see yourself out.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 24, 2015, 10:15:59 am
Seriously though, have you seen 28 Days Later and Sunshine?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on September 24, 2015, 10:32:05 am
Or Shallow Grave. That was my first introduction to Boyle. And the two male leads, for that matter.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on September 24, 2015, 11:03:23 am
28 Days Later is phenomenal.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on September 24, 2015, 11:19:15 am
I didn't particularly like The Beach, but Trainspotting and Slumdog were fantastic.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on September 24, 2015, 12:01:10 pm
Seriously though, have you seen 28 Days Later and Sunshine?

Yup. I can't blame my non-enjoyment of 28 Days Later on Boyle; I pretty much don't really like any zombie-genre movies. But Sunshine just really annoyed me with the "Boyle style". I plan to watch it again sometime; I expect to like it better now that I know what it is. But when I first saw it, I was expecting a more typical disaster-type film; and instead it was all visuals and artiness. I down own and will see Slumdog Millionaire at some point.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on September 24, 2015, 12:03:13 pm
I didn't particularly like The Beach, but Trainspotting and Slumdog were fantastic.

I didn't realize that The Beach and Trainspotting were Boyle. I haven't seen them, but I've been interested in seeing them for a while.

I suppose I haven't seen nearly enough Boyle to fairly say "I don't like Boyle". All I can say is that in both 127 Hours and Sunshine, I was wanting a more typical/direct storytelling instead of a visual art-piece.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on September 26, 2015, 01:10:51 am
Just watched Snowpiercer (finally).  I liked it quite a bit.   People have talked about the political thing, but I don't think that matters for the enjoyment of the film.  It's more, like, just a cool, original experience. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on October 04, 2015, 09:24:23 pm
I kind of want to write a thesis about how The Princess Bride is one of the worst love stories ever.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on October 07, 2015, 12:37:43 am
I kind of want to write a thesis about how The Princess Bride is one of the worst love stories ever.
will you mention that it's a good movie?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2015, 08:02:42 am
I kind of want to write a thesis about how The Princess Bride is one of the worst love stories ever.
will you mention that it's a good movie?

I feel like it's such a good movie that it shouldn't need that caveat, but I imagine some might assume that criticizing the love story as a criticism of the movie itself.

And one could argue that the movie is about a storybook and that the outrageousness of the romance is satire. I'm not all that familiar with those types of storybooks, so I don't know if such an abusive relationship is the standard. If so, then the movie is all the more brilliant for showcasing that. Still, holding this up as a great love story is like holding up Phantom of the Opera as romantic.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on October 07, 2015, 08:19:56 am
I kind of want to write a thesis about how The Princess Bride is one of the worst love stories ever.

Will you mention that it is the most overrated movie ever?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 07, 2015, 08:57:33 am
I kind of want to write a thesis about how The Princess Bride is one of the worst love stories ever.
will you mention that it's a good movie?

I feel like it's such a good movie that it shouldn't need that caveat, but I imagine some might assume that criticizing the love story as a criticism of the movie itself.

And one could argue that the movie is about a storybook and that the outrageousness of the romance is satire. I'm not all that familiar with those types of storybooks, so I don't know if such an abusive relationship is the standard. If so, then the movie is all the more brilliant for showcasing that. Still, holding this up as a great love story is like holding up Phantom of the Opera as romantic.

Labyrinth depicts a more abusive relationship.  I mean, he stopped time for her!  That ungrateful girl.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on October 07, 2015, 10:30:08 am
Ah yes, there's a couple that's fit for the Springer show. He's a manipulative control freak, and she's a spoiled brat. Match made in Hell.

Labyrinth depicts a more abuse relationship.  I mean, he stopped time for her!  That ungrateful girl.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Qvist on October 19, 2015, 08:35:46 am
No mention of "Inside Out"? You have to watch it, it's another Pixar masterpiece.

Also, I have recently watched "Les diaboliques", wow I was amazed how tense it was, definitely another masterpiece.

Other movies I recently watched and enjoyed quite a bit:
- Carnage: I think you either love it or hate it. I laughed very often even though it's not funny. I just disliked the abrupt ending.
- Mr. Nobody: Another movie you'll either love or hate. It's a philosophical movie of a man who lives all the possible lives of a decision. I was especially impressed how well the woman with depression was portrayed in only a couple of scenes.
- Micmacs à tire-larigot: Movie by Jean Pierre Jeunet that I liked more than Amelie.
- Birdman
- La vita è bella
- Tall Man: It's not a great movie by itself, but if you like movies with twists, it might be perfect for you.
- 21 Jump Street: Finally a good comedy
- A History of Violence
- Safe House: I generally am not a fan of Action movies, but this one I enjoyed quite a lot

And I'm looking forward to see "The Martian", probably next week. Anyone seen it yet?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on October 19, 2015, 09:20:20 am
I like Micmacs à tire-larigot a lot, but better than Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain ? Now that's crazy talk.

I'm very intrigued by Mr. Nobody after likin Le tout nouveau testament (also by Jaco van Dormael) a lot; I'd recommend that one, probably.

I'm seeing The Martian tomorrow night, very excited for it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:25:28 am
No mention of "Inside Out"? You have to watch it, it's another Pixar masterpiece.

Also, I have recently watched "Les diaboliques", wow I was amazed how tense it was, definitely another masterpiece.

Other movies I recently watched and enjoyed quite a bit:
- Carnage: I think you either love it or hate it. I laughed very often even though it's not funny. I just disliked the abrupt ending.
- Mr. Nobody: Another movie you'll either love or hate. It's a philosophical movie of a man who lives all the possible lives of a decision. I was especially impressed how well the woman with depression was portrayed in only a couple of scenes.
- Micmacs à tire-larigot: Movie by Jean Pierre Jeunet that I liked more than Amelie.
- Birdman
- La vita è bella
- Tall Man: It's not a great movie by itself, but if you like movies with twists, it might be perfect for you.
- 21 Jump Street: Finally a good comedy
- A History of Violence
- Safe House: I generally am not a fan of Action movies, but this one I enjoyed quite a lot

And I'm looking forward to see "The Martian", probably next week. Anyone seen it yet?

The Martian was great.  Science was even not terrible.  Actually, pretty good.  Only a couple of stretches/inconsistencies.  Overall it was well made and well acted.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 09:28:57 am
Oh, and A History of Violence.  I really liked that.  It was one of the more... tame, and seemingly straightforward, Cronenberg movies. 

Have you seen Cosmopolis?  It got pretty poor reviews, but I thought it was great. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Qvist on October 19, 2015, 09:32:22 am
Have you seen Cosmopolis?  It got pretty poor reviews, but I thought it was great.

No, but it's already on my watchlist.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on October 19, 2015, 12:25:09 pm
I saw the Martian too. It was ok, but I didn't like how American it was, as if the entire world would be on the edge of their seats for the American astronaut to make it home.

EDIT: sicario was a much better film. I recommend that more than the martian.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on October 19, 2015, 12:51:03 pm
I haven't seen the Martian, so I can't say if the response would be overblown. But if this was the first manned expedition to Mars, would the world not be entranced by it regardless of nationality?

Though that still wouldn't justify the pretty Ameri-centric stance of our movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on October 19, 2015, 02:57:41 pm
I haven't seen the Martian, so I can't say if the response would be overblown. But if this was the first manned expedition to Mars, would the world not be entranced by it regardless of nationality?

Though that still wouldn't justify the pretty Ameri-centric stance of our movies.

It was the 3rd or 4th mission to mars.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 19, 2015, 03:02:31 pm
I haven't seen the Martian, so I can't say if the response would be overblown. But if this was the first manned expedition to Mars, would the world not be entranced by it regardless of nationality?

Though that still wouldn't justify the pretty Ameri-centric stance of our movies.

It was the 3rd or 4th mission to mars.

I kind of got the impression that it wasn't a huge world-wide issue until later on.  The issue about the lone person being alive and stranded on Mars is kind of a big one; doesn't really matter that he was American. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on October 19, 2015, 06:22:56 pm
I haven't seen the Martian, so I can't say if the response would be overblown. But if this was the first manned expedition to Mars, would the world not be entranced by it regardless of nationality?

Though that still wouldn't justify the pretty Ameri-centric stance of our movies.

It was the 3rd or 4th mission to mars.

I kind of got the impression that it wasn't a huge world-wide issue until later on.  The issue about the lone person being alive and stranded on Mars is kind of a big one; doesn't really matter that he was American.

But they showed London and people out in the streets waving american flags and stuff. Even if they were out on the streets watching him on big screens, waving american flags? Really? And in China too? I know they helped get him back, but why wave american flags? No Chinese flags? But this is a long running thing with me that I very much don't like hollywood films that act like the US is the king of all countries.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on October 20, 2015, 03:36:25 pm
Is Fight Club worth watching when you've already got the twist spoiled?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 20, 2015, 03:52:11 pm
Is Fight Club worth watching when you've already got the twist spoiled?

Yes, it's a great movie. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: gkrieg13 on October 20, 2015, 03:54:13 pm
Is Fight Club worth watching when you've already got the twist spoiled?

Yes, it's a great movie.

Ugh will you guys quit talking about fight club!  Don't you know the rules?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on October 20, 2015, 03:55:28 pm
Is Fight Club worth watching when you've already got the twist spoiled?

Considering I rewatch it several times, I suppose so.

It's a gritty, visceral, nihilistic story, and I think it's told pretty well. Even though you know the ending, try to watch it with the mindset of not knowing what's happening, but even knowing the story, that shouldn't change things.

The beginning is pretty much a narration of consumerism gone wild. It has a very jaded point of view, and it's interesting to see how the story evolves from insomnia to domestic terrorism, though it does seem like a pretty outrageous jump. 

And Brad Pitt and Ed Norton do great jobs. I'm not a Brad Pitt fanboy, but I do admire how he's so good-looking, but he's more than willing to take on ugly roles, such as Seven Years in Tibet, Snatch, 12 Monkeys, and of course Fight Club. This was also my first exposure to Helen Bonham Carter, before she became a Tim Burton regular. Her portrayal was good but also creepy because I once dated a girl like her. Not quite as bad but pretty close. That was exhausting (in the good and bad ways).

It makes me wonder about the character who got the fight clubs started. It's one thing when some stranger sees two guys punching each other, and he says he wants to be next, but it's something entirely different when he sees one guy punching himself repeatedly and says he wants to be next. Who the fuck thinks that's a good idea to make eye contact with a whacko like that?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 21, 2015, 09:22:34 pm
I finally found out where this meme came from:

(http://i.imgur.com/SCelG.gif)

I've been wanting to watch Spirited Away for a long time, but finally got around to it last night.  I didn't know this was from it; when I saw the scene I cracked up.

PS: Great movie; everyone watch it.
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Post by: ashersky on October 22, 2015, 03:22:32 am

I've been wanting to watch Spirited Away for a long time, but finally got around to it last night.  I didn't know this was from it; when I saw the scene I cracked up.

PS: Great movie; everyone watch it.

And then watch it again.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on October 24, 2015, 07:59:17 pm
- Mr. Nobody: Another movie you'll either love or hate.
I didn't love or hate it, just thought it was sort of decent-ish
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on October 29, 2015, 09:28:33 am
So I watched Steve Jobs.  I really recommend it, for writing, acting, directing, general movieness.  It is, of course, fictional in the sense of plot, though the major events are true.* In terms of "accuracy", it's kind of like The Social Network; it's meant to be enjoyed as a movie and not a historical piece.

*I should say, I know basically nothing about Steve Jobs, so I'm saying this based on a little bit I looked up. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on October 29, 2015, 02:56:01 pm
Watched Crimson Peak yesterday. Meh. Nice visuals, and far more enjoyable than that terrible jumpscare collection known as "The woman in black". Still a relatively weak and unoriginal, story-wise. At least it has style.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on October 29, 2015, 03:09:18 pm
I watched the extended edition of the third Hobbit movie recently. I had high expectations for it after the cinema edition felt a little bit too short, and it did not disappoint.
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 30, 2015, 12:45:40 am
I watched the extended edition of the third Hobbit movie recently. I had high expectations for it after the cinema edition felt a little bit too short, and it did not disappoint.

*holds in rage about how the hobbit movies are terrible cinema, terribly done action, and use terrible CGI to spoon feed fans cheap film making with nothing but expected punches and plot twists worthy of a 5 year old writing their first script.*
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on October 30, 2015, 12:48:20 am
Watched Crimson Peak yesterday. Meh. Nice visuals, and far more enjoyable than that terrible jumpscare collection known as "The woman in black". Still a relatively weak and unoriginal, story-wise. At least it has style.

I was told that it was a romantic film with some ghosts, but that it looked very nice.
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Post by: Awaclus on October 30, 2015, 03:28:47 am
I watched the extended edition of the third Hobbit movie recently. I had high expectations for it after the cinema edition felt a little bit too short, and it did not disappoint.

*holds in rage about how the hobbit movies are terrible cinema, terribly done action, and use terrible CGI to spoon feed fans cheap film making with nothing but expected punches and plot twists worthy of a 5 year old writing their first script.*

It's not supposed to be an action movie, the CGI is super good (for a live action movie; obviously animated movies still look a lot better), and the plot in Tolkien's works is usually mostly just an excuse to explore the amazing world.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on October 30, 2015, 05:56:07 am
Watched Crimson Peak yesterday. Meh. Nice visuals, and far more enjoyable than that terrible jumpscare collection known as "The woman in black". Still a relatively weak and unoriginal, story-wise. At least it has style.

I was told that it was a romantic film with some ghosts, but that it looked very nice.

It's a film about love, but i didn't feel it was very romantic. The movie even lampshades how love stories are always forced into a plot, which was one of the details i appreciated when watching.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on October 30, 2015, 10:49:24 am
I watched the extended edition of the third Hobbit movie recently. I had high expectations for it after the cinema edition felt a little bit too short, and it did not disappoint.

*holds in rage about how the hobbit movies are terrible cinema, terribly done action, and use terrible CGI to spoon feed fans cheap film making with nothing but expected punches and plot twists worthy of a 5 year old writing their first script.*

It's not supposed to be an action movie, the CGI is super good (for a live action movie; obviously animated movies still look a lot better), and the plot in Tolkien's works is usually mostly just an excuse to explore the amazing world.

Not an action movie? 4/5ths of the third movie was people twirling around choppin off orcs heads. There was no uniqueness to any of the action. And the CGI is not good. That scene where Legolas jumps on the falling rocks of the tower? It looked like he was flailing through glue. Mad Max is an example of good CGI, because you thought Mad Max was a good example of practical effects :P It has so much CGI but you hardly noticed it because it's blended with the practical effects so well. But The Hobbit just puts lots of generic orcs getting their head lopped off by peasants with no training, and has that run for like 2 hours of the film.

Am I supposed to be aroused when Legolas does something cool? That's why he's there. Or look, a fake CGI Legolas uses a bird to fly up a tower, crash it down to create a bridge than ride a troll into battle. This is a good video of how to do good action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ)

And here is a recent movie that follows a lot of what is said in the video above. Longer, clearer shots with a lot of good pacing. They even throw in a joke, just like the cheesy Jackie Chan movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYDsVamQqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYDsVamQqU)


I do actually agree that the plots is more about exploring Tolkien's world. I just felt the third movie didnt explore anything. It was all just these armies fighting at one place. The first Hobbite movie I liked more because you saw a lot of the world.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on October 30, 2015, 03:36:22 pm
Not an action movie? 4/5ths of the third movie was people twirling around choppin off orcs heads. There was no uniqueness to any of the action. And the CGI is not good. That scene where Legolas jumps on the falling rocks of the tower? It looked like he was flailing through glue. Mad Max is an example of good CGI, because you thought Mad Max was a good example of practical effects :P It has so much CGI but you hardly noticed it because it's blended with the practical effects so well. But The Hobbit just puts lots of generic orcs getting their head lopped off by peasants with no training, and has that run for like 2 hours of the film.

Am I supposed to be aroused when Legolas does something cool? That's why he's there. Or look, a fake CGI Legolas uses a bird to fly up a tower, crash it down to create a bridge than ride a troll into battle. This is a good video of how to do good action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ)

And here is a recent movie that follows a lot of what is said in the video above. Longer, clearer shots with a lot of good pacing. They even throw in a joke, just like the cheesy Jackie Chan movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYDsVamQqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYDsVamQqU)


I do actually agree that the plots is more about exploring Tolkien's world. I just felt the third movie didnt explore anything. It was all just these armies fighting at one place. The first Hobbite movie I liked more because you saw a lot of the world.

Well, there is lots of action, but it's also not a romcom even though it has elements of romance and comedy. And it's not like those are particularly unique or well done either, but it doesn't matter all that much because it's not the point.

What's the point of CGI if it doesn't even look like CGI? I think the Madoka movies have some of the best CGI I've ever seen, but if we restrict it to live action movies, then there still are better looking movies than BOFA out there (Cloud Atlas and Life of Pi come to mind), but at least it does look good, which is already pretty amazing for a live action movie.

Yes, the armies are fighting at one place, but the armies are from various places and I like how that's portrayed.
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Post by: ehunt on October 30, 2015, 03:39:30 pm
Watched Crimson Peak yesterday. Meh. Nice visuals, and far more enjoyable than that terrible jumpscare collection known as "The woman in black". Still a relatively weak and unoriginal, story-wise. At least it has style.

im with you. i was surprised by the good reviews. it's billed as a suspenseful romantic horror film but it's not suspenseful or romantic and all the twists are completely obvious. other than visuals it has nothing going for it.
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Post by: Kuildeous on October 30, 2015, 11:51:27 pm
It's lovely to see someone just stop giving a shit when typing up descriptions.

Saw: Jigsaw (Tobin Bell) holds two men (Leigh Whannell, Cary Elwes) captive and forces them to choose who will live and who will die — and who will saw off his own foot.

Saw II: Jigsaw ups his kidnapping game to eight strangers in one room.

Saw III: Jigsaw takes on a protégé named Amanda (Shawnee Smith). It’s great to have someone carry on traditions.

Saw IV: Jigsaw is dead, but he’s still wreaking havoc in the form of a tape the police find in his stomach. Who eats tapes?

Saw V: Congratulations, you’ve watched five Saw movies.
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Post by: GendoIkari on October 31, 2015, 08:43:31 am

What's the point of CGI if it doesn't even look like CGI?

This is one if the weirdest things I've heard. The point of CGI is to make it look like things are happening that you can't actually make happen in real life. Same as the point of practical effects, though you can do a lot more with CGI. Good CGI absolutely should not look like CGI. Not in that context anyway. I mean you can have animated films that aren't supposed to look real, and that's a different story. But it's definitely a bad thing if the CGI in your film looks fake. The reason it's being used is to make the audience believe they are actually seeing a certain thing.
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Post by: Awaclus on October 31, 2015, 09:55:29 am
This is one if the weirdest things I've heard. The point of CGI is to make it look like things are happening that you can't actually make happen in real life. Same as the point of practical effects, though you can do a lot more with CGI. Good CGI absolutely should not look like CGI. Not in that context anyway. I mean you can have animated films that aren't supposed to look real, and that's a different story. But it's definitely a bad thing if the CGI in your film looks fake. The reason it's being used is to make the audience believe they are actually seeing a certain thing.

But stuff that looks real is super boring. I see stuff that looks real all the time IRL, I don't need to watch a movie for that. Good art in general is supposed to have more artistic value than just being a replication of real stuff, and that includes CGI in movies.
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Post by: GendoIkari on October 31, 2015, 10:31:47 am
Well some great movies only show things that could actually happen in real life, but that's not what I meant. If there's a CGI dragon on screen, that's something you couldn't see in real life. But it's much better if the movie makes you believe that you're actually seeing a dragon.

There's a reason the tag line for the original Superman was "you'll believe a man can fly", not "you'll see some artistic representation of a man flying".
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Post by: Awaclus on October 31, 2015, 10:50:50 am
Well some great movies only show things that could actually happen in real life, but that's not what I meant. If there's a CGI dragon on screen, that's something you couldn't see in real life. But it's much better if the movie makes you believe that you're actually seeing a dragon.

There's a reason the tag line for the original Superman was "you'll believe a man can fly", not "you'll see some artistic representation of a man flying".

Well, there's really no way I'm going to believe that I'm actually seeing a dragon. It's a movie, it makes me believe that I'm seeing a movie.
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Post by: GendoIkari on October 31, 2015, 10:56:14 am
Well some great movies only show things that could actually happen in real life, but that's not what I meant. If there's a CGI dragon on screen, that's something you couldn't see in real life. But it's much better if the movie makes you believe that you're actually seeing a dragon.

There's a reason the tag line for the original Superman was "you'll believe a man can fly", not "you'll see some artistic representation of a man flying".

Well, there's really no way I'm going to believe that I'm actually seeing a dragon. It's a movie, it makes me believe that I'm seeing a movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

I mean it's fine if you personally prefer to go to a movie for the purpose of feeling like your watching a movie. But for most people, suspension of disbelief is a big part of the entertainment/value of watching a movie.
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 31, 2015, 11:00:34 am
Well some great movies only show things that could actually happen in real life, but that's not what I meant. If there's a CGI dragon on screen, that's something you couldn't see in real life. But it's much better if the movie makes you believe that you're actually seeing a dragon.

There's a reason the tag line for the original Superman was "you'll believe a man can fly", not "you'll see some artistic representation of a man flying".

Well, there's really no way I'm going to believe that I'm actually seeing a dragon. It's a movie, it makes me believe that I'm seeing a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6hp8BKB24

This is what we mean by CGI. Obviously you don't believe dragons exist, or that Iron Man's Suit is real, but it looks real in the movie.

If the CGI looked like a game from 90's, all blocky, you'd say "Hey! that looks bad!" So of course animated movies aren't supposed to look real, but a movie where it just looks like a bunch of people in front of a green screen does not look good.
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Post by: Awaclus on October 31, 2015, 01:22:43 pm
This is what we mean by CGI. Obviously you don't believe dragons exist, or that Iron Man's Suit is real, but it looks real in the movie.

If the CGI looked like a game from 90's, all blocky, you'd say "Hey! that looks bad!" So of course animated movies aren't supposed to look real, but a movie where it just looks like a bunch of people in front of a green screen does not look good.

Yeah, the Iron Man's suit looks real within the setting of the movie, but it super doesn't have to. While I agree that you should be aware of the computer's limitations, I think that you should not only try to get around the limitations, but also embrace them, because that's when you have to get creative and come up with more interesting and unique solutions which make the movie much more worth watching.

I wouldn't necessarily say that CGI that looks like a game from 90's looks bad. For instance, this looks pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Kgf9t51j8
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 31, 2015, 03:33:17 pm
I totally agree it depnds on what te film. I'm studying animation, and many of my peers films would be terrible if they were realistic. I should have clarified I was talking about CGI in Hollywood films that use it as special effects to replace practical effects. In fact, the clip I posted addresses exactly this, that people forgive bad effects if the film is good.

I would argue though that if you're using 3D effects as a style for your film, then realism is of course no the intention. But Legolas jumping and all the hobbit cgi was meant to look real, not stylized, and that's why it's bad.
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Post by: Awaclus on October 31, 2015, 05:06:24 pm
I totally agree it depnds on what te film. I'm studying animation, and many of my peers films would be terrible if they were realistic. I should have clarified I was talking about CGI in Hollywood films that use it as special effects to replace practical effects. In fact, the clip I posted addresses exactly this, that people forgive bad effects if the film is good.

I would argue though that if you're using 3D effects as a style for your film, then realism is of course no the intention. But Legolas jumping and all the hobbit cgi was meant to look real, not stylized, and that's why it's bad.

Well, there were a couple of little things in BOFA that were clearly just mistakes, like the physics of some orcs in the fight scenes (the Legolas one didn't really bother me), but I think the overall visual look of The Hobbit, which the CGI plays a big role in, is a little bit stylized. Clearly it's still intended to be accessible for mainstream audiences and it's playing it fairly safe, but there is something more and something less to it than just looking as real as possible, which I really like and which the movies have been needlessly criticized for.
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Post by: Witherweaver on October 31, 2015, 05:20:32 pm
I think one should keep in mind that The Hobbit was stylistically much different than Lord of the Rings.  The Hobbit was written for kids, and it read like it.  The narrative was much simpler and more like someone sitting you down and telling you a story.  It makes sense for the movies to represent this difference, too.  The Hobbit movies are a little more cartoony and "fun adventure", and I think that works out alright. 
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Post by: KingZog3 on October 31, 2015, 11:51:09 pm
I think one should keep in mind that The Hobbit was stylistically much different than Lord of the Rings.  The Hobbit was written for kids, and it read like it.  The narrative was much simpler and more like someone sitting you down and telling you a story.  It makes sense for the movies to represent this difference, too.  The Hobbit movies are a little more cartoony and "fun adventure", and I think that works out alright.

No I'm not criticizing the more "fun adventure" style of the movies. But when Legolas jumps on falling rocks, I want to think "That's Legolas jumping on falling rocks!" and not "Hey that's not Legolas but instead a poorly done version of him in CGI that doesn't even have his proportions!" Things like the barrels in the rapids in the second movie I won't criticize because that's part of the fun adventure style.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2015, 10:44:23 am
I also had seen Crimson Peak. It was on my list of movies I'm willing to watch but not go nuts over. Alas, the Martian was sold out, so we saw this instead.

Definitely more style than substance. The story was really bland. The metadiscussion of romance shoehorned into a ghost story was amusing, but it didn't strike me as self-referential, as this movie had the opposite. There were ghosts shoehorned into a mystery story. Seriously, the ghosts did not contribute to the movie. They led the protagonist to some clues, but the script could have easily been written so that she finds the clues on her own. The ghosts did nothing to advance the plot, especially the ghost in the opening sequence. The end ghost had a way for her to say goodbye, but that was still unnecessary, especially considering the huge betrayal she experienced.

I wasn't even that fond of how the ghosts looked. The smoky tendrils weren't very wispy so it was like parts of their bones were twisting upward. That could be a cool effect too, but I interpreted the effect to have meant to be wispy. I did enjoy the effects of the clay, though even that seemed heavy-handed at times. Does clay really behave that way? In one scene, it was just oozing down the wall like blood (intentional, no doubt).

Kind of disappointed, and I’m glad we used free tickets to see it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 10:49:31 am
I'm kind of surprised; I expect Guillermo del Toro movies to be good.  Have you seen The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labryinth?
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2015, 11:29:54 am
I'm kind of surprised; I expect Guillermo del Toro movies to be good.  Have you seen The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labryinth?

I'm a little surprised too. I expected better. I did enjoy Pan's Labyrinth. I have not seen the Devil's Backbone, but I'll add that to my list.

I also saw Mimic. It was okay. It didn't strike me as a really good movie.

The guy does excellent visuals. I don't know how much of the script was del Toro's fault. He was a co-writer, so it's anyone's guess.

As far as the mystery story, del Toro shot it pretty well. There were tense moments with the key ring and the gramophone. It's just that the whole story could have been told without the ghosts. In fact, if you remove the ghost scenes, then you show a woman who probably acts a little insane but has an uncanny ability to conveniently find clues. Clever writing could smooth those scenes over entirely.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 11:34:06 am
Well, I guess style is his thing. 
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Post by: Asper on November 09, 2015, 01:17:49 pm
Huh, this reminds me of the Shining (movie), where the boy's special ability doesn't do that much, either. It just calls for a guy who comes to help them and is immediately killed. But maybe that's an intentional "Bet you didn't expect that" effect a lá Psycho.

Having said that, i think The Shining is a pretty good movie.
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Post by: eHalcyon on November 09, 2015, 01:22:18 pm
I finally watched Inside Out.  It is great, as expected.
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Post by: GendoIkari on November 09, 2015, 01:23:10 pm
I think we talked about Coen Brothers earlier in the thread, but I just finally saw The Hudsucker Proxy. Absolutely amazing; high up on my list of Coen Brothers movies.
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Post by: ashersky on November 09, 2015, 01:23:45 pm
I think we talked about Coen Brothers earlier in the thread, but I just finally saw The Hudsucker Proxy. Absolutely amazing; high up on my list of Coen Brothers movies.

Easily the best.
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 09, 2015, 01:36:37 pm
Huh, this reminds me of the Shining (movie), where the boy's special ability doesn't do that much, either. It just calls for a guy who comes to help them and is immediately killed. But maybe that's an intentional "Bet you didn't expect that" effect a lá Psycho.

Having said that, i think The Shining is a pretty good movie.

I think the idea was to downplay all the super natural stuff in The Shining. The book just makes everything caused by the supernatural. The movie played with what was really supernatural and what was reality. The boy's powers are used more to give an atmosphere to the hotel with the stuff he sees that clearly isn't there.
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Post by: Teproc on November 09, 2015, 02:20:21 pm
I think we talked about Coen Brothers earlier in the thread, but I just finally saw The Hudsucker Proxy. Absolutely amazing; high up on my list of Coen Brothers movies.

Easily the best.

While I have not seen it, I am somewhat doubtful that it is "easily" the best.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2015, 02:50:50 pm
The Shining is kind of similar in that regard. The power does nothing to help Danny. In fact, it just serves to make him even more miserable. I viewed the shining as just another curse. It allowed him to revisit these horrible scenes. It's kind of like the Sixth Sense except that Danny was never given the opportunity to help the ghosts. These things just wanted to kill/terrify/madden. I suppose that is why I accept Danny's shining to the ghosts in Crimson Peak. The ghosts in the Shining were all part of this malignant force that worked to get Jack to murder his family. Crimson Peak's ghosts were just sad imprints that tried to get justice on their killers by pointing to clues—very much similar to the little girl in the Sixth Sense.

Ooh, Inside Out. It was a good movie. I was pleased to see so much of my psychology classes show up here. I'm no parent, but I bet this would be a good movie for parents and preteens to watch together so that the preteen won't feel alone when going through mood swings and maybe will confide in the parent? Sound reasonable?

I think Hudsucker Proxy is my favorite Coen. I've not seen them all, and it's hard to top Lebowski. But Hudsucker amuses me because of the absurd brush used to paint corporate America. It's not as absurd as Brazil, but it has plenty of moments that are laughable and cringeworthy. And hey, Bruce Campbell. Bonus. I think my favorite gag is the moment of silence they make everyone observe and then dock their pay of that minute they were forced to take.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 02:54:56 pm
Hm.. it's been a while since I read the book, but I believe Danny's Shining was pretty pivotal.  It ultimately gave him the strength to fight (or at least outlast) his father.  Also the metaphor for alcoholism and how it ruins a family is a lot heavier. 
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 09, 2015, 03:17:40 pm
I read that Stephen king doesn't like the movie version, and even think jack Nicholson was badly cast for the role.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 09, 2015, 04:59:53 pm
Hm.. it's been a while since I read the book, but I believe Danny's Shining was pretty pivotal.  It ultimately gave him the strength to fight (or at least outlast) his father.  Also the metaphor for alcoholism and how it ruins a family is a lot heavier. 

It's been a while for me too, but yes I believe that the shining was more important in the book. I want to say that it was Danny who foresaw the problem with the boiler, which allowed his father to buy enough time for Wendy, Danny, and you-know-who to escape.

Also, one may argue that the shining woke up Danny in time to avoid getting horribly stung by the wasps, but I may be stretching it there. But yeah, in the book, Danny's shining was closer to the Dead Zone.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 09, 2015, 05:02:18 pm
I read that Stephen king doesn't like the movie version, and even think jack Nicholson was badly cast for the role.

Yeah.  There was a made-for-tv movie that he supported (and maybe wrote the screenplay for).  It had the guy from Wings in it.  It's generally regarded as far inferior. 
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 10, 2015, 12:15:39 am
I read that Stephen king doesn't like the movie version, and even think jack Nicholson was badly cast for the role.

Yeah.  There was a made-for-tv movie that he supported (and maybe wrote the screenplay for).  It had the guy from Wings in it.  It's generally regarded as far inferior. 

Like many King books, the Shining has scenes that are difficult to translate to screen. Even Kubrick's vision is rather out there for a movie version.

I haven't seen that version yet, but I remember the topiary scene in the book freaking my shit.
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 10, 2015, 12:21:45 am
I read that Stephen king doesn't like the movie version, and even think jack Nicholson was badly cast for the role.

Yeah.  There was a made-for-tv movie that he supported (and maybe wrote the screenplay for).  It had the guy from Wings in it.  It's generally regarded as far inferior. 

Like many King books, the Shining has scenes that are difficult to translate to screen. Even Kubrick's vision is rather out there for a movie version.

I haven't seen that version yet, but I remember the topiary scene in the book freaking my shit.

I know the topiary was only cut because of special effects reasons. They didn't want it looking terrible, and it was difficult to do, so they cut it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 10, 2015, 09:20:28 am
I read that Stephen king doesn't like the movie version, and even think jack Nicholson was badly cast for the role.

Yeah.  There was a made-for-tv movie that he supported (and maybe wrote the screenplay for).  It had the guy from Wings in it.  It's generally regarded as far inferior. 

Like many King books, the Shining has scenes that are difficult to translate to screen. Even Kubrick's vision is rather out there for a movie version.

I haven't seen that version yet, but I remember the topiary scene in the book freaking my shit.

Kubrick's  movie is pretty brilliant.  Read the IMDb FAQ.  There are a lot of subtle things, like whenever a supernatural presence is there, there is some indication, such as a chair moved implying that the "presence" is sitting in it.  Lots of things like that throughout the movie. 
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Post by: Witherweaver on November 11, 2015, 11:19:23 pm
So I just watched Wild at Heart.  I don't even know what to say about it.  It's certainly an experience.  I guess it's more like Blue Velvet than Mulholland Drive/Lost Highway/Inland Empire/etc.
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Post by: ehunt on November 12, 2015, 04:05:08 am

Definitely more style than substance. The story was really bland. The metadiscussion of romance shoehorned into a ghost story was amusing, but it didn't strike me as self-referential, as this movie had the opposite. There were ghosts shoehorned into a mystery story. Seriously, the ghosts did not contribute to the movie. They led the protagonist to some clues, but the script could have easily been written so that she finds the clues on her own. The ghosts did nothing to advance the plot, especially the ghost in the opening sequence. The end ghost had a way for her to say goodbye, but that was still unnecessary, especially considering the huge betrayal she experienced.

If I were the protagonist's mother, I feel like I would've found a better way to warn her than to
- scare the bejeezus out of her
- use only an obscure nickname of the place that she's never supposed to go, instead of you know, spelling it out in a little detail
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 13, 2015, 02:20:54 am

Definitely more style than substance. The story was really bland. The metadiscussion of romance shoehorned into a ghost story was amusing, but it didn't strike me as self-referential, as this movie had the opposite. There were ghosts shoehorned into a mystery story. Seriously, the ghosts did not contribute to the movie. They led the protagonist to some clues, but the script could have easily been written so that she finds the clues on her own. The ghosts did nothing to advance the plot, especially the ghost in the opening sequence. The end ghost had a way for her to say goodbye, but that was still unnecessary, especially considering the huge betrayal she experienced.

If I were the protagonist's mother, I feel like I would've found a better way to warn her than to
- scare the bejeezus out of her
- use only an obscure nickname of the place that she's never supposed to go, instead of you know, spelling it out in a little detail

I could see ghosts simply being terrifying to behold, even if they mean no harm. That's a trope I can get behind. Death just really sucks.

But yeah, that warning does no good.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 18, 2015, 11:59:43 am
http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2008/nov/05/action-films-bad-editing

I had read a similar article about this subject. After having caught Winter Soldier on Encore last night, I am convinced that this would be included in the article if it wasn't 7 years old.

This is one of those things you can't unsee—much like kerning. I'm starting to notice rapid-fire action sequences. In the beginning of Winter Soldier, Black Widow and Captain America assault a ship filled with pirates. I counted five jumps within 2 seconds while Black Widow was kicking someone's ass. Other scenes didn't look much better.

Fortunately, this means that I can appreciate skillfully shot action scenes more. Though I felt the big fight in Oldboy was gratuitous and ponderous, it had a lot of style, and I can appreciate that. The Daredevil series had a couple of really great shots that stood out. One was the fight in the hallway that was all one continuous shot (like Oldboy). There was another great nonaction shot of a man sitting in a cab while the camera orbited him and created tension that way.

So yeah, now that I'm more aware of rapid-fire cuts, they're starting to annoy me. Now it's stuck with me, so I must pass it to others, like the Ring.
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Post by: Jorbles on November 18, 2015, 01:21:33 pm
I honestly hope the acclaim that hallway fight scene in Daredevil received has some impact on Marvel movies. I can't think of many other action scenes in Marvel productions that people talk about much, but I hope they realize that their action scenes are lacking and start chasing good ones. It might be impossible to do with some of their current casting choices, but maybe they'll start thinking about it?
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Post by: ashersky on November 18, 2015, 01:40:07 pm
I honestly hope the acclaim that hallway fight scene in Daredevil received has some impact on Marvel movies. I can't think of many other action scenes in Marvel productions that people talk about much, but I hope they realize that their action scenes are lacking and start chasing good ones. It might be impossible to do with some of their current casting choices, but maybe they'll start thinking about it?

Add me to the list of Daredevil-hallway-scene fans out there.  Great stuff.
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Post by: Jorbles on November 18, 2015, 02:12:46 pm
I just rewatched the Winter Soldier elevator fight, which is a really cool and innovative action scene, but it could have been so much better if it hadn't jump cut every half second.
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Post by: eHalcyon on November 18, 2015, 04:57:02 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2008/nov/05/action-films-bad-editing

I had read a similar article about this subject. After having caught Winter Soldier on Encore last night, I am convinced that this would be included in the article if it wasn't 7 years old.

This is one of those things you can't unsee—much like kerning. I'm starting to notice rapid-fire action sequences. In the beginning of Winter Soldier, Black Widow and Captain America assault a ship filled with pirates. I counted five jumps within 2 seconds while Black Widow was kicking someone's ass. Other scenes didn't look much better.

Fortunately, this means that I can appreciate skillfully shot action scenes more. Though I felt the big fight in Oldboy was gratuitous and ponderous, it had a lot of style, and I can appreciate that. The Daredevil series had a couple of really great shots that stood out. One was the fight in the hallway that was all one continuous shot (like Oldboy). There was another great nonaction shot of a man sitting in a cab while the camera orbited him and created tension that way.

So yeah, now that I'm more aware of rapid-fire cuts, they're starting to annoy me. Now it's stuck with me, so I must pass it to others, like the Ring.

Reminds me of this video, specifically the bit about the difference between American and Hong Kong (maybe specifiically Jackie Chan) film editing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ

In Chan's films, they do a double cut for hits -- there's a wide shot of the hit happening, then a closer shot of it happening again, which breaks continuity, but it's cut in such a way that the viewer perceives it as one seamless, powerful blow.  In American editing, however, they jump cut from action to reaction and don't actually show the hits at all, making them feel a lot emptier.
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Post by: Jorbles on November 18, 2015, 05:09:09 pm
Yeah, Kingzog linked that a couple weeks ago in this thread. I think that's why eHalc was talking about that article here.
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Post by: KingZog3 on November 18, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
I've shown a lot of people that video :P It definitely is something that is impossible to un-see. But it makes me love action movies that have good action even more. John Wick, and The Raid, even the Matrix movies, are great action films that show you what is happening. I feel that directors that put tons of cuts don't want to spend the time (or can't spend the time) to hire competent actors and stunt people.
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Post by: Kuildeous on November 18, 2015, 07:01:41 pm
Huh, I didn't see that video the first time. But then, I rarely watch videos linked in here. I'm usually reading these forums in a place where I can't watch videos or don't have time to stop and watch a video. Obviously I made an exception with this 9-minute video, but apparently I didn't the last time it was linked, so I'm glad it was linked this time.

I didn't realize the trick for using two cuts to make one blow look more powerful. I didn't realize that American cameras tend to move to make it look powerful. Very interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on November 18, 2015, 11:22:14 pm
I could never pin point why certain action was exciting and other action wasn't. After starting studying film and finding this channel I now have a really hard time watching most American Hollywood movies. Not just action, but all genres.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: eHalcyon on November 19, 2015, 05:22:55 am
Yeah, Kingzog linked that a couple weeks ago in this thread. I think that's why eHalc was talking about that article here.

I wasn't talking about the article, Kuildeous was.  I re-linked the video.  I wasn't sure if it was linked here before; I think I actually watched it first on Tumblr much longer than a couple weeks ago.  It's a neat enough video to post twice though!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on November 19, 2015, 11:50:50 am
Yeah, Kingzog linked that a couple weeks ago in this thread. I think that's why eHalc was talking about that article here.

I wasn't talking about the article, Kuildeous was.  I re-linked the video.  I wasn't sure if it was linked here before; I think I actually watched it first on Tumblr much longer than a couple weeks ago.  It's a neat enough video to post twice though!

Using two posts does make it seems stronger.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on November 30, 2015, 10:27:09 pm
After quite a lot of pause, I finally saw a few ones.. Path of Glory, Southpaw, Gattaca, Dark City, Barton Fink..

.. and Gran Torino.

Damn, I cannot help but love Eastwood. It's Unforgiven all over again, tho in reverse :D
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on December 01, 2015, 03:00:13 am
Gattaca was interesting. I found it memorable, but it's been a while since I've seen it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 01, 2015, 07:43:02 am
Gattaca was interesting. I found it memorable, but it's been a while since I've seen it.

I have a soft spot for dystopian stories. Brazil is probably my favorite, but Gattaca was pretty good too. And it raised some important questions about genetic modification and class. It kind boiled down to a less absurd Brave New World.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on December 01, 2015, 08:22:06 am
Gattaca was interesting. I found it memorable, but it's been a while since I've seen it.

I have a soft spot for dystopian stories. Brazil is probably my favorite, but Gattaca was pretty good too. And it raised some important questions about genetic modification and class. It kind boiled down to a less absurd Brave New World.

Brazil is so, so awesome, just my kind of thing.
Gattaca was pretty good, the dystopian story was done great, what I didn't enjoy (without spoiling) was the "big reveal" as that particular character interaction wasn't really developed all that well so it was a bit underwhelming.

Speaking of dystopias, I find this thing which makes you wonder how close we are to one:
https://www.soylent.com/

:D

Edit: before-mentioned Dark City is another dystopian one, tho quite a bit weird.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 01, 2015, 09:16:26 am
Dark City was awesome especially since it plays at being a dystopian society but is really a giant rat maze for humans. That reveal is awesome and would have been even better if the director wasn't forced to capitulate to Hollywood and give away the plot in the opening. I wonder how much more I would have enjoyed the movie if the opening voiceover was struck. Whenever I expose someone new to Dark City, I fast forward to the hotel scene and skip the spoiler voiceover. Make the audience as confused as the protagonist (a trick that also endeared me to Memento).
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:34:51 am
After quite a lot of pause, I finally saw a few ones.. Path of Glory, Southpaw, Gattaca, Dark City, Barton Fink..

.. and Gran Torino.

Damn, I cannot help but love Eastwood. It's Unforgiven all over again, tho in reverse :D

Gran Torino was awesome.  So was Dark City, and Gattaca.  I haven't seen the other ones, though I want to see Barton Fink particularly. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 01, 2015, 09:36:35 am
Dark City was awesome especially since it plays at being a dystopian society but is really a giant rat maze for humans. That reveal is awesome and would have been even better if the director wasn't forced to capitulate to Hollywood and give away the plot in the opening. I wonder how much more I would have enjoyed the movie if the opening voiceover was struck. Whenever I expose someone new to Dark City, I fast forward to the hotel scene and skip the spoiler voiceover. Make the audience as confused as the protagonist (a trick that also endeared me to Memento).

I first saw Memento by walking into it while my college roommate was watching about halfway through.  So I watched it from the middle to the end.  Then I went back and watched it from the beginning.  So I actually saw it more in order than others.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on December 01, 2015, 09:53:28 am
Dark City was awesome especially since it plays at being a dystopian society but is really a giant rat maze for humans. That reveal is awesome and would have been even better if the director wasn't forced to capitulate to Hollywood and give away the plot in the opening. I wonder how much more I would have enjoyed the movie if the opening voiceover was struck. Whenever I expose someone new to Dark City, I fast forward to the hotel scene and skip the spoiler voiceover. Make the audience as confused as the protagonist (a trick that also endeared me to Memento).

Huh, I just checked the intro on youtube, I actually watched verison without the voiceover on start.  ;D
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 01, 2015, 11:02:25 am
Dark City was awesome especially since it plays at being a dystopian society but is really a giant rat maze for humans. That reveal is awesome and would have been even better if the director wasn't forced to capitulate to Hollywood and give away the plot in the opening. I wonder how much more I would have enjoyed the movie if the opening voiceover was struck. Whenever I expose someone new to Dark City, I fast forward to the hotel scene and skip the spoiler voiceover. Make the audience as confused as the protagonist (a trick that also endeared me to Memento).

Huh, I just checked the intro on youtube, I actually watched verison without the voiceover on start.  ;D

Bonus! There is a director's cut of the movie. Perhaps that is what you saw.

Well, after having seen the intro, do you feel that they gave away too much? I feel like they did.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on December 01, 2015, 11:17:21 am
Dark City was awesome especially since it plays at being a dystopian society but is really a giant rat maze for humans. That reveal is awesome and would have been even better if the director wasn't forced to capitulate to Hollywood and give away the plot in the opening. I wonder how much more I would have enjoyed the movie if the opening voiceover was struck. Whenever I expose someone new to Dark City, I fast forward to the hotel scene and skip the spoiler voiceover. Make the audience as confused as the protagonist (a trick that also endeared me to Memento).

Huh, I just checked the intro on youtube, I actually watched verison without the voiceover on start.  ;D

Bonus! There is a director's cut of the movie. Perhaps that is what you saw.

Well, after having seen the intro, do you feel that they gave away too much? I feel like they did.

They definitely did. They didn't give the "big reveal", but the big part of the movie is slowly trying to figure out what the hell is going on (similar to the main character, who also has no idea), and it gives away the most part.
The version that I've saw, open with a starry sky, pans down to city skyline and further down t oDr. Shreiber (?) looking at his watch and slowly walking away.. fade out, production logo, fade in, hotel scene. No voiceover, no additional minute of spoilers. Much better, I'd say. :)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on December 01, 2015, 01:18:12 pm
I don't know if I agree necessarily. There's something to be said for knowledge when you're going into a movie. I don't always want to have to puzzle everything out as I'm going through things, which sometimes means watching the movie again and again or more likely just reading up on it after the fact. They might have given away a little bit too much in the Dark City intro monologue, but not way too much. If we'd gotten nothing I think it would have been too alienating, and they either would have had to put more of that info later in the movie (where it might have felt awkward) or just left it out entirely, and the movie already has enough ambiguity (or at least I recall it having a fair amount of deliberately confusing scenes, but it's been awhile since I saw it).
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on December 05, 2015, 05:14:22 am
One of the smaller tv stations here in germany has a format called "Schlefaz" ("Schlechteste Filme aller Zeiten"), which means "Worst movies ever". They show a movie so bad it's good again and passes right through to being bad again, and have two comedians banter about how horrible it is after the breaks. Last time i watched it they gave us Blackula, a blacksploitation movie about, you guessed it, a black Dracula. It was pretty bad. Yesterday they brought us "Hentai Kamen", a japanese movie about some kid who gets perverted super powers(?) when he puts a worn woman's panty over his face. It was a train wreck and made Blackula seem like a masterpiece, allthough i think that partly it's a parody and in fact the insanity got a genuine laugh or two out of me. Still it was one of those movies that become watchable only if your primary fun is mocking the movie, or doing a drinking game. In yesterday's Schlefaz' case, the game was "Drink when Hentai Kamen attacks somebody with his privates". I assume people who played that game were drunk later.

Thank you for reading. Please don't use this post as a reference for what you are giving for christmas this year.

Edited for typos.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 05, 2015, 10:09:33 am
Saw Legend last night.  Highly recommend seeing it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on December 06, 2015, 02:55:28 pm
Just saw Tucker & Dale vs. Evil. Pretty funny movie!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 13, 2015, 11:35:29 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 13, 2015, 11:43:26 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 14, 2015, 10:31:07 am
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

Goldblum... finds a way.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on December 14, 2015, 12:43:24 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

If by "it wasn't thaaat bad a movie" you mean it is the greatest movie ever made, then I agree.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 14, 2015, 03:03:04 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

If by "it wasn't thaaat bad a movie" you mean it is the greatest movie ever made, then I agree.
it was ok. There were too many parts when Goldblum wasn't on-screen, though admittedly less of those parts than movies that don't star the Goldblum at all. Like Se7en. (Se7en would have been greatly improved with the addition of some Goldblum.)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on December 14, 2015, 03:39:23 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

If by "it wasn't thaaat bad a movie" you mean it is the greatest movie ever made, then I agree.
it was ok. There were too many parts when Goldblum wasn't on-screen, though admittedly less of those parts than movies that don't star the Goldblum at all. Like Se7en. (Se7en would have been greatly improved with the addition of some Goldblum.)

They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 14, 2015, 04:42:37 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

If by "it wasn't thaaat bad a movie" you mean it is the greatest movie ever made, then I agree.
it was ok. There were too many parts when Goldblum wasn't on-screen, though admittedly less of those parts than movies that don't star the Goldblum at all. Like Se7en. (Se7en would have been greatly improved with the addition of some Goldblum.)

They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
have you seen se7en?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on December 14, 2015, 04:47:46 pm
I haven't seen the trailer for the Independence Day sequel yet, but I've seen gushing over it. I kind of wish they just rebooted it rather than make a sequel to such a crummy movie. Hell, the story is so generic now that you can give it a new name and no one would know it's a reboot, though the reboot would make more money.
it wasn't thaaat bad a movie. And Goldblum is in the sequel too so there's that.

If by "it wasn't thaaat bad a movie" you mean it is the greatest movie ever made, then I agree.
it was ok. There were too many parts when Goldblum wasn't on-screen, though admittedly less of those parts than movies that don't star the Goldblum at all. Like Se7en. (Se7en would have been greatly improved with the addition of some Goldblum.)

They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
have you seen se7en?

Both the original and the Goldblum.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 14, 2015, 05:09:41 pm
Jurassic Park was released 2 years before se7en.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on December 14, 2015, 05:22:15 pm
Jurassic Park was released 2 years before se7en.

It was the original upon which Se7en was based, per Fincher.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 14, 2015, 05:27:57 pm
Jurassic Park was released 2 years before se7en.

It was the original upon which Se7en was based, per Fincher.
ah that makes the sense
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on December 14, 2015, 06:16:09 pm
Anyone else excited about H8ful Eight?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on December 14, 2015, 06:19:20 pm
Anyone else excited about H8ful Eight?

I think you know the answer to that one.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on December 14, 2015, 06:21:29 pm
I just dont think I'll have the opportunity to see it in full 70mm Panavision widescreen here where I live :(
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 14, 2015, 06:26:32 pm
Anyone else excited about H8ful Eight?
yes, despite a veritable lack of Goldblum.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 14, 2015, 06:31:16 pm
If only Goldblum were in the Star Wars prequels :(
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Donald X. on December 15, 2015, 04:29:06 am
They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
Oh man. That scene where they're in the middle of nowhere and a box is delivered, and they open it up and there's a Velociraptor inside.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on December 15, 2015, 01:13:16 pm
They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
Oh man. That scene where they're in the middle of nowhere and a box is delivered, and they open it up and there's a Velociraptor inside.


I like the scene where they're in the middle of nowhere and a T-Rex opens a box and there's a lawyer inside.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: skip wooznum on December 15, 2015, 01:52:36 pm
They already made Se7en with Goldblum.  It was called Jurassic Park.
Oh man. That scene where they're in the middle of nowhere and a box is delivered, and they open it up and there's a Velociraptor inside.


I like the scene where they're in the middle of nowhere and a T-Rex opens a box and there's a lawyer inside.
dudes. Spoiler tags please
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on December 15, 2015, 10:47:44 pm
Goldblum plays Darth Plagueis in the new Star Wars.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on December 16, 2015, 12:08:56 pm
I've seen The Force Awakens. Don't worry, I'm not a dick. It was very fun ! Not without its flaws, but fun.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 16, 2015, 12:28:34 pm
I've seen The Force Awakens. Don't worry, I'm not a dick. It was very fun ! Not without its flaws, but fun.

How was Goldblum?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on December 16, 2015, 01:36:33 pm
I've seen The Force Awakens. Don't worry, I'm not a dick. It was very fun ! Not without its flaws, but fun.

How was Goldblum?
Exactly as you'd expect.

I'd put this one on par with Jedi, but it felt most like Empire.

By no surprise, Solo's story ends here. It was expected, but they did it well.

I did not like the Chasm ex-machina between Kylo and Rey though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on December 16, 2015, 01:39:31 pm
I've seen The Force Awakens. Don't worry, I'm not a dick. It was very fun ! Not without its flaws, but fun.

How was Goldblum?
Exactly as you'd expect.

I'd put this one on par with Jedi, but it felt most like Empire.

Really ? There are many, many explicit references to the original in it. Like, shots that are made to look like the ones in Star Wars, not to mention the plot similarities. I get that the end is Empire-y, but it clearly is Star Wars 2.0 to me.

I'd rank it second below Empire Strikes Back, but I like the original less than most people.

@WW : I wouldn't pick Goldblum, whoever he is, out of a lineup so...

Gollum was pretty good though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on December 16, 2015, 02:11:31 pm
I'd personally put this below empire and star wars, but ahead of Jedi. I knew it would mimic a lot from the original.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pacovf on December 16, 2015, 02:15:56 pm
I am officially avoiding this thread like the plague for a week or so.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on December 16, 2015, 02:20:19 pm
I am officially avoiding this thread like the plague for a week or so.

AKA the reason I went to see it first opportunity I had. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 16, 2015, 02:29:19 pm
Actually, could spoilers be put in the Star Wars thread? I am avoiding that until I see the movie. No sense in avoid this thread. We all know the Star Wars thread will be covered in more slobber than a lollipop in a playpen full of toddlers (I had a NSFW analogy brewing but I'll be good). We can continue to use this thread for movies that are not Star Wars.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 16, 2015, 03:40:14 pm
Actually, could spoilers be put in the Star Wars thread? I am avoiding that until I see the movie. No sense in avoid this thread. We all know the Star Wars thread will be covered in more slobber than a lollipop in a playpen full of toddlers (I had a NSFW analogy brewing but I'll be good) blood than a Jedi temple full of slaughtered younglings. We can continue to use this thread for movies that are not Star Wars.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on December 16, 2015, 10:47:10 pm
It will have more spoilers than Skywalker had midi-chlorians?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Ozle on December 17, 2015, 01:47:40 pm
I'm not reading this thread in case there are sw spoilers in it.

I just wanted to say that I am a movie buff
Well, I watch movies in the buff anyway



(I may have already done that joke, no apologies though, get some new threads)
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on December 17, 2015, 01:54:55 pm
I'm not reading this thread in case there are sw spoilers in it.

I just wanted to say that I am a movie buff
Well, I watch movies in the buff anyway



(I may have already done that joke, no apologies though, get some new threads)

Get a new forum to make jokes in.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on December 17, 2015, 01:56:07 pm
And here I thought you were like me and really into buffing your movie collection until it is nice and shiny.

Edit: Anyone know a good varnish for Laser Disc?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on December 17, 2015, 02:00:31 pm
And here I thought you were like me and really into buffing your movie collection until it is nice and shiny.

Edit: Anyone know a good varnish for Laser Disc?

I first watched Time Bandits on Laser Disc.   True story.  Not a significant story, but nevertheless a true one. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2015, 09:59:10 pm
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.

I just watched the movie based on remembering this comment from skimming the thread.

I'm a bit confused about Victoria's character, and the "harmless" part of the movie stretched on for maybe a bit longer than I'd have liked, but otherwise it was pretty great. I value credibility highly in movies, so that's a big plus.

The style just makes me wonder why there aren't more movies out there with fewer cuts.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on December 21, 2015, 12:21:25 am
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.
The style just makes me wonder why there aren't more movies out there with fewer cuts.

This. Movies that hold shots but aren't boring get points in my book. Very tricky to do, but it's so much better than tons of cuts.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on December 21, 2015, 07:21:58 am
I just saw Victoria. It's unfreakingbelievable, absolutely amazing. One of the most thrilling movies I've ever seen.

I just watched the movie based on remembering this comment from skimming the thread.

I'm a bit confused about Victoria's character, and the "harmless" part of the movie stretched on for maybe a bit longer than I'd have liked, but otherwise it was pretty great. I value credibility highly in movies, so that's a big plus.

The style just makes me wonder why there aren't more movies out there with fewer cuts.

Sweet, glad you liked it. I loved the first half (especially the piano scene), but it really is two different movies in a way. I do agree that it gets a bit long by the end.

I think the first part makes it pretty clear who Victoria is and why she does what she does afterwards : she's just completely lost and looking for a purpose in her life. She's also attracted to Whatshisname, but I think her main motivation for helping him is that she's looking for something to fill her life.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2015, 08:40:58 am
Sweet, glad you liked it. I loved the first half (especially the piano scene), but it really is two different movies in a way. I do agree that it gets a bit long by the end.

I think the first part makes it pretty clear who Victoria is and why she does what she does afterwards : she's just completely lost and looking for a purpose in her life. She's also attracted to Whatshisname, but I think her main motivation for helping him is that she's looking for something to fill her life.

Ah, I see. I sort of thought, okay she's never had any real friends, so the contact to this guy is special to her, but that neither explained why she almost jumped off the roof, nor why she was suddenly okay with a bank robbery when she previously objected to stealing from a store. that's a pretty big commitment, when she has really no obligation to.

It all makes more sense if you replace 'never had any friends' with 'never had any purpose'.

I kept expecting the roof scene to foreshadow a suicide in the end, but that would've been much worse of an ending.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: drsteelhammer on December 21, 2015, 02:38:57 pm
Has anyone watched Anomalisa yet? I'm very much looking forward to the release in my country
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on December 21, 2015, 04:07:37 pm
Has anyone watched Anomalisa yet? I'm very much looking forward to the release in my country

Never heard of it before, but the reviews are all great. I should maybe watch it too.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: drsteelhammer on December 21, 2015, 09:52:31 pm
Has anyone watched Anomalisa yet? I'm very much looking forward to the release in my country

Never heard of it before, but the reviews are all great. I should maybe watch it too.

Have you seen other movies with Kaufman as director/screenwriter? If not, I envy you.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on December 22, 2015, 12:14:58 am
Has anyone watched Anomalisa yet? I'm very much looking forward to the release in my country

Never heard of it before, but the reviews are all great. I should maybe watch it too.

Have you seen other movies with Kaufman as director/screenwriter? If not, I envy you.

I haven't, but Being John Malkovich has been on my "to watch" list for a while.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 22, 2015, 04:07:36 pm
Has anyone watched Anomalisa yet? I'm very much looking forward to the release in my country

Never heard of it before, but the reviews are all great. I should maybe watch it too.

Have you seen other movies with Kaufman as director/screenwriter? If not, I envy you.

I haven't, but Being John Malkovich has been on my "to watch" list for a while.

I hadn't heard of Anomalisa until just now. But I've seen all other Kaufman things (I think). Just recently finally saw Synecdoche, New York. I thought it was a masterpiece; almost came here to post about it.

I love Being John Malkovich and Eternal Sunshine as well.
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Post by: Awaclus on December 22, 2015, 04:15:13 pm
I love Being John Malkovich

You're John Malkovich?
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Post by: Qvist on December 22, 2015, 04:18:51 pm
I've seen all Charlie Kaufman movies beside of Human Nature.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Adaptation are both great and all other movies are good.
I'm stoked for Anomalisa. It has a great IMDB rating so far.
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Post by: Witherweaver on December 22, 2015, 04:20:47 pm
I watched Oldboy last week (the original Korean one).  Man, it's pretty amazing.
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Post by: silverspawn on December 22, 2015, 04:52:54 pm
Being John Malkovich is actually my favorite movie to this day. You should watch it.
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Post by: GendoIkari on December 22, 2015, 05:05:41 pm
I watched Oldboy last week (the original Korean one).  Man, it's pretty amazing.

One of about 4 movies that has left me in my seat in stunned silence for several minutes after it ended.
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Post by: drsteelhammer on December 22, 2015, 05:11:02 pm
Glad to see more Kaufman fans on here!

I agree with Synecdoche, NY being a masterpiece. But I needed a second watch to even begin to fathom its depth. There is also a great series by Yourmoviesucks on Youtube on it. It's a shame it failed commercially.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is almost on par with Snecdoche in my opinion. A well deserved Oscar for sure. These two are definitely in my top 5 of favourite movies so far.

Malkovich and Adaption are also pretty great in my opinion, with Human Nature a bit behind.

And I blame Clooney for Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.
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Post by: skip wooznum on December 22, 2015, 05:12:47 pm
I watched Oldboy last week (the original Korean one).  Man, it's pretty amazing.
yeah
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Post by: Jorbles on December 22, 2015, 06:05:53 pm
And I blame Clooney for Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.

Confessions of a Dangerous Mind is one of my favourite movies. It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.
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Post by: drsteelhammer on December 22, 2015, 06:41:17 pm
It's not bad, but I would have loved to see Kaufmans original script
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Post by: Teproc on December 22, 2015, 07:10:40 pm
I watched Oldboy last week (the original Korean one).  Man, it's pretty amazing.

There's a non-Korean one ?

Also, yes.
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Post by: KingZog3 on December 22, 2015, 08:20:24 pm
I watched Oldboy last week (the original Korean one).  Man, it's pretty amazing.

There's a non-Korean one ?

Also, yes.

There's a junky american remake. Also an India film remake.
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Post by: GendoIkari on December 22, 2015, 09:33:39 pm
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??
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Post by: Jorbles on December 23, 2015, 12:07:10 am
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.
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Post by: ashersky on December 28, 2015, 06:29:00 am
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.

Sam Rockwell hasn't done anything worth watching since Galaxy Quest.  Man I hate that guy.
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Post by: Qvist on December 28, 2015, 07:14:19 am
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.

Sam Rockwell hasn't done anything worth watching since Galaxy Quest.  Man I hate that guy.

Whoa, he is amazing in Moon. Have you not seen it? It's great.
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Post by: ashersky on December 28, 2015, 09:13:16 am
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.

Sam Rockwell hasn't done anything worth watching since Galaxy Quest.  Man I hate that guy.

Whoa, he is amazing in Moon. Have you not seen it? It's great.

I have not seen (or heard of) Moon.  Is it a US film?

Sam Rockwell is second only to Cary Elwes as the most overrated actor on the planet, in my opinion.  Both should never be allowed to make another movie ever again.

Unless it's Galaxy Quest 2.  Rockwell can do that.
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Post by: Jorbles on December 28, 2015, 01:43:57 pm
Moon is absolutely amazing. (It's this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) one. US film 2009)

He was also pretty good in Confessions and The Way Way Back.

I haven't seen like every movie he's been in, but I don't see how he could be overrated as he's not really in that many movies or at least not big roles in many movies. Maybe it's just that when he does a good performance it's really good.

Also do people think Cary Elwes is great? I thought they just liked The Princess Bride.
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Post by: Witherweaver on December 28, 2015, 01:47:01 pm
He was also awesome in 7 Psychopaths.  And Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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Post by: ashersky on December 28, 2015, 05:46:06 pm
Moon is absolutely amazing. (It's this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) one. US film 2009)

He was also pretty good in Confessions and The Way Way Back.

I haven't seen like every movie he's been in, but I don't see how he could be overrated as he's not really in that many movies or at least not big roles in many movies. Maybe it's just that when he does a good performance it's really good.

Also do people think Cary Elwes is great? I thought they just liked The Princess Bride.

Moon sounds interesting.  Will check it out.

Can you like PB without liking Elwes?
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Post by: GendoIkari on December 28, 2015, 10:23:29 pm
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.

Sam Rockwell hasn't done anything worth watching since Galaxy Quest.  Man I hate that guy.

Green Mile. Conviction. Matchstick Men. The Assassination of Jesse James. Hitchhikers's Guide.

I didn't know until now that he was in Moon. I wanted to see that already, now I want to more.
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Post by: GendoIkari on December 28, 2015, 10:25:23 pm
Moon is absolutely amazing. (It's this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) one. US film 2009)

He was also pretty good in Confessions and The Way Way Back.

I haven't seen like every movie he's been in, but I don't see how he could be overrated as he's not really in that many movies or at least not big roles in many movies. Maybe it's just that when he does a good performance it's really good.

Also do people think Cary Elwes is great? I thought they just liked The Princess Bride.

Moon sounds interesting.  Will check it out.

Can you like PB without liking Elwes?

I've never heard people talk about Elwes as a great actor or amazing or a reason to go see a film. He's in plenty of good movies; but that says nothing about him as an actor.
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Post by: Witherweaver on December 29, 2015, 09:41:21 am
Moon is absolutely amazing. (It's this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) one. US film 2009)

He was also pretty good in Confessions and The Way Way Back.

I haven't seen like every movie he's been in, but I don't see how he could be overrated as he's not really in that many movies or at least not big roles in many movies. Maybe it's just that when he does a good performance it's really good.

Also do people think Cary Elwes is great? I thought they just liked The Princess Bride.

Moon sounds interesting.  Will check it out.

Can you like PB without liking Elwes?

I've never heard people talk about Elwes as a great actor or amazing or a reason to go see a film. He's in plenty of good movies; but that says nothing about him as an actor.

Unlike other Robin Hoods, he can speak with an English accent.
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Post by: ashersky on December 29, 2015, 02:33:34 pm
It might just be that its Kaufman and Sam Rockwell at the same time though.

Whhaaa? Why have I not seen this movie??

I dunno? I think it's really good. It's based on the autobiography of the guy who hosted The Gong Show, which people think is probably a work of fiction... probably.

Sam Rockwell hasn't done anything worth watching since Galaxy Quest.  Man I hate that guy.

Green Mile. Conviction. Matchstick Men. The Assassination of Jesse James. Hitchhikers's Guide.

I didn't know until now that he was in Moon. I wanted to see that already, now I want to more.

So Stephen King schlockfest, don't know conviction, nick cage crap, haven't seen Jesse, terrible adaptation of a great book. 

Maybe all the ones I haven't see are awesome, but this argument isn't working for you on me.
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Post by: Davio on December 30, 2015, 06:21:24 am
Watched The Martian yesterday, felt like some weird prequel to Interstellar, at least set in the same universe with Matt Damon alone on a planet. Well, more like a mix between Gravity and Interstellar. It was a fine movie, didn't get bored, what I found peculiar is why they had to cast Sean Bean as that NASA guy. As an upside, he didn't die, but it was such a simple role, they could've cast anyone, man, just get Ed Harris or something and leave Sean Bean for epic dying roles.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 11:23:17 am
So I just (finally) watched Trollhunter.  It's pretty awesome, definitely worth seeing.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 11:47:42 am
Recent movies I've seen that I thought were good. 

In theaters:
*The Big Short (very interesting, and entertaining)
*Legend (Tom Hardy is awesome)
*Steve Jobs (I mentioned it before; very entertaining even if you hate Apple (which I do))
*The Martian (talked about here)
*Irrational Man (altogether brilliant and hilarious)

I also saw Avengers: Age of Ultron, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and The Man from U.N.C.L.E.  All were entertaining, though I don't know if they had a great impact on me.  I actually think my judgement on The Force Awakens will depend on how it ties into the following movies.

On TV/Netflix/etc.:
*Spirited Away (amazing)
*Princess Mononoke (also awesome)
*Totoro (probably not as impactful as Spirited Away, but good in its own right)
*The Drop (did I mention Tom Hardy is awesome?)
*Trollhunter (mentioned above)
*Wild at Heart (among a few David Lynch movies that I had not gotten aorund to seeing.  Caught it late at night on television (MGM network or something).  It's definitely something.  I have no idea what that thing is, but it's some thing.)
*Oldboy (amazing, mentioned above)
*Seven Psychopaths (hilarious)

Movies I missed/haven't seen yet that I want to see:
*The Revenant
*The Hateful Eight
*Mad Max: Fury Road
*Macbeth
*Mr. Holmes
*The End of the Tour

Maybe also Ex Machina and Self/less (Tarsem Singh, apparenlty)

Altogether, I think this was a rather weak year for movies.  I don't know what the best movie out this year would be... maybe Irrational Man?  Maybe Steve Jobs.

Edit: forgot some.
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Post by: Teproc on January 02, 2016, 12:01:08 pm
Ugh, I hated Irrational Man so much. Joaquin Phoenix's character is supposed to be this big shot, and all we see is him explaining Kant 101 to a bunch of people ... like, I got that from my philosophy teacher in high school, it's really basic stuff. The point he raises against the categorical imperative is literally the first thing any teacher will say after explaining it, and we're supposed to think he's reinventing the wheel here. Makes Emma Stone's character look incredibly dumb, which I certainly don't think was intended.

Ex Machina is pretty great, you should indeed watch it.

I actually like Totoro the best of the three Miyazaki masterpieces, but they're all great.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 12:47:35 pm
Ugh, I hated Irrational Man so much. Joaquin Phoenix's character is supposed to be this big shot, and all we see is him explaining Kant 101 to a bunch of people ... like, I got that from my philosophy teacher in high school, it's really basic stuff. The point he raises against the categorical imperative is literally the first thing any teacher will say after explaining it, and we're supposed to think he's reinventing the wheel here. Makes Emma Stone's character look incredibly dumb, which I certainly don't think was intended.

I don't think that's really the point.  Like, The Big Bang Theory has post-doc level physicists talking about things high school physics students know as if they're novel.  House has nothing to do with medicine, physics in every sci-fi movie is at best implausible, etc.  This stuff is just the back-drop.  The more you know about a subject, the more of a distraction it is, but it's not what the show/movie is about.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 12:48:40 pm
Also, in the case of Irrational Man, all the characters were kind of fake posers, so this sort of thing seems reasonable.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 01:21:14 pm
Also, in Good Will Hunting, there is a part where the professor is looking over some of  Will's work and says, "I see you used Maclaurin here," to which Will responds something like, "Well, I don't know what you call it."  Well we don't have enough context to know what they're talking about, but Maclaurin here seems to be used as a bit of a name drop because everyone knows Maclaurin series from high-school Calculus.  That result is so basic that it wouldn't make sense for the professor to point out at the level they're doing, and Will certainly has to know the standard name, because there's no way that he's read as much as he has and doesn't know it.

There are a few other results attributed to Maclaurin, but still responding that he doesn't know the standard name for the it (implying that he came up with it on his own) doesn't make sense for any of these commonplace results. 
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Post by: drsteelhammer on January 02, 2016, 01:45:21 pm
Movies of the year so have been for me: Carol, End of the Tour, Mistress America and  A pigeon sat on a branch reflecting on existence.

Some movies I wasn't able to watch just yet that I expect to be just as good: Mustang, Komiko the treasure hunter, spotlight, Anomalisa, the lobster and Queen of Earth
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Post by: Teproc on January 02, 2016, 03:55:03 pm
Also, in the case of Irrational Man, all the characters were kind of fake posers, so this sort of thing seems reasonable.

I agree they were posers, but I don't think that was Allen's intention at all. I think we were meant to find Phoenix's character deep and insightful, and would posit that the whole film kind of relies on that. Because again, if he's a poser, then Emma Stone's character is incredibly stupid. And who cares about what happens to them ? If it was funnier it could have worked, but bleh. I liked the music though.

Here is my top ten :

1. The Martian (Ridley Scott) => You guys know about this one
2. Victoria (Sebastian Schipper) => That german one-take film.
3. Umimachi Diary (Hirokazu Kore-eda) => Japanese family drame-dy. Very heartwarming.
4. Taxi (Jafar Panahi) => A film from that guy who's not allowed to make films. He's in a taxi riding aroudn Tehran, picking up people as it goes along and it's great.
5. La glace et le ciel (Luc Jacquet) => Documentary about the people who explored the Antarctica and discovered that Earth was warming up too quickly. Not too preachy, mostly focused on the tremendous accomplishment that is exploring Antarctica, with impressive archive footage
6. Ex Machina (Alex Garland) => You guys know about this one
7. Mustang (Denis Gamze Ergüven) => The Virgin Suicides in Turkey (I'm told, haven't watched the Virgin Suicides, only know the amazing Air soundtrack).
8. Mon roi (Maïwenn) => French film about a toxic/exhilarating relationship. Vincent Cassel is amazing in it.
9. L'hermine (Christian Vincent) => French courtroom drama, where the judge is the main character, and because this is a French movie, he also sleeps with one of the jurors (played by the Prime Minister in Borgen). Better than it sounds.
10. Vingt et une nuits avec Pattie (Arnaud & Jean-Marie Larrieu) => French dramedy in the middle of nowhere, hard to describe but very funny/unsettling/uplifting, with a great score.
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Post by: Donald X. on January 02, 2016, 04:21:54 pm
Recent movies I've seen that I thought were good. 
Yes, but what music are you listening to? That's what the world really wants to know.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
Recent movies I've seen that I thought were good. 
Yes, but what music are you listening to? That's what the world really wants to know.

All I hear is the voice deep in the back of my head telling me that I'm not good enough.
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Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2016, 07:37:29 pm
Self/less

That movie is pretty bad. The first 20 minutes are okay, and the rest is a huge letdown, selling the entire premise to deliver a perfectly generic action story. You can see every twist and the ending from a mile away. Also, the actor does absolutely not sell the idea of him being the same person as the old guy at the start

Although, the one thing that I find absolutely amazing about this movie is the title. It sounds great, can be interpreted in at least 3 different ways which all fit the movie, and thinking about it is all together more interesting than anything that actually happens when you watch it.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 02, 2016, 07:54:52 pm
Self/less

That movie is pretty bad. The first 20 minutes are okay, and the rest is a huge letdown, selling the entire premise to deliver a perfectly generic action story. You can see every twist and the ending from a mile away. Also, the actor does absolutely not sell the idea of him being the same person as the old guy at the start

Although, the one thing that I find absolutely amazing about this movie is the title. It sounds great, can be interpreted in at least 3 different ways which all fit the movie, and thinking about it is all together more interesting than anything that actually happens when you watch it.

The director (The Fall, The Cell, Immortals) if very much style driven, so this isn't so surprising. 
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Post by: Donald X. on January 02, 2016, 08:13:39 pm
Recent movies I've seen that I thought were good. 
Yes, but what music are you listening to? That's what the world really wants to know.

All I hear is the voice deep in the back of my head telling me that I'm not good enough.
It can be hard to communicate clearly on the internet.

I went to the songs thread and scanned it for people who liked stuff I liked. You had some of those things, excellent. You also had Noah and the Whale, whoever they were. I tried them and liked them. That was a while ago though. Now I need another new band. Chop chop.
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Post by: KingZog3 on January 02, 2016, 09:07:32 pm
I just watched 12 Monkeys for the first time. Very Gilliam-esque future. Not as good as Brazil, but I thought the acting was really good and it was pretty entertaining.
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 03, 2016, 02:17:32 am
Recent movies I've seen that I thought were good. 
Yes, but what music are you listening to? That's what the world really wants to know.

All I hear is the voice deep in the back of my head telling me that I'm not good enough.
It can be hard to communicate clearly on the internet.

I went to the songs thread and scanned it for people who liked stuff I liked. You had some of those things, excellent. You also had Noah and the Whale, whoever they were. I tried them and liked them. That was a while ago though. Now I need another new band. Chop chop.

Noah and the Whale was great in their first album.  Their subsequent ones I liked less.. apparently the lead singer/writer was dating a female member of the band (cello I think) and they broke up.  Their second and third albums were much more slow and depressing, and missed the sound she added.  (This story is from memory so I may not have all the facts correct.). I'm pretty sure the band broke up recently.

Belle and Sebastian's latest album (Girls in Peacetime Want to Dance) is quite good.  I also saw them live at Radio City when they toured it.  I also recently saw Stephin Merritt at City Winery performing with his celloist from Magnetic Fields, playing mostly Magnetic Fields songs with a few from other ventures.  He was great, and really funny in person.

Unfortunately, I haven't found much new music I really like lately.  I've been looking into The Smiths.  I still have a couple of their albums to pick up, but I liked their first one more than the later ones I tried.

For random interesting that you may not have heard of, look up Spacehog, album Resident Alien.  Another great album is Underachievers Please Try Harder by Camera Obscura.
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Post by: ashersky on January 03, 2016, 08:26:42 am
For random interesting that you may not have heard of, look up Spacehog, album Resident Alien.  Another great album is Underachievers Please Try Harder by Camera Obscura.

I'm pretty sure anyone my age and older, at least, has heard of Spacehog.  That must include DXV.
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Post by: drsteelhammer on January 08, 2016, 11:14:52 am
*obligatory rant about derailing the thread and being the most nauseating forum on the internet*

Now, back to movies: How did you like Brooklyn? I have seen it just now and while the plot was decent, the score and Saoirse Ronan were absolutely amazing. I expect an Oscar for the latter as best female leading role.

On another note, I didn't like the Lobster. I loved the premise, but I did expect to see a different kind of movie.
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Post by: Jorbles on January 08, 2016, 12:55:33 pm
What's the Lobster? I have not heard anything about this. *one google search later*

What didn't you like about it? It looks super weird and has all sorts of directions it could be going in.
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Post by: Teproc on January 08, 2016, 01:34:38 pm
On another note, I didn't like the Lobster. I loved the premise, but I did expect to see a different kind of movie.

So you didn't like it because it didn't adhere to your expectations ?
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 08, 2016, 01:42:22 pm
So you could just watch it again, and then like it, right?
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Post by: drsteelhammer on January 08, 2016, 02:01:06 pm
On another note, I didn't like the Lobster. I loved the premise, but I did expect to see a different kind of movie.

So you didn't like it because it didn't adhere to your expectations ?

I was unclear, that is not what I meant. I like it when a movie toys with my expactations or takes a different route than what I expected.

What I meant was that I loved the premise so much I was already prepared to love the movie. Unfortunately for me, it evolved into a genre I can't get anything out of. And yes, I've tried.

So you could just watch it again, and then like it, right?

I honestly doubt it, the film had its genuinely funny moments and a few nicely edited scenes, but I'd rather watch another movie from the same director than watching this one again.
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Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 11:20:34 am
I happened to stumble upon Where the Dead Go to Die on imdb, and I noted that while it had overwhelmingly bad reviews, those reviewers were mostly focused on how offended they were and the only people talking about the actual merits of the movie were the few people who gave it positive reviews. And it was horror and animation, and the people who liked it also liked Heart String Marionette (which, I realized during the credits, might have been partially because HSM's director had a voice acting role in it). So I just absolutely had to see it.

I'm not entirely sure what to think of it, but it was most interesting, and certainly not a bad movie.
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Post by: Asper on January 10, 2016, 11:39:19 am
Watched "My neighbor Totoro" recently. Given how famous it is, i expected something clever or touching, but it was just a straightforward children's movie. I was disappointed.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on January 10, 2016, 11:48:42 am
Watched "My neighbor Totoro" recently. Given how famous it is, i expected something clever or touching, but it was just a straightforward children's movie. I was disappointed.

There's somewhat convincing speculah that it's metaphorically about the Sayama Incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayama_Incident).
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Post by: Witherweaver on January 10, 2016, 11:58:58 am
Watched "My neighbor Totoro" recently. Given how famous it is, i expected something clever or touching, but it was just a straightforward children's movie. I was disappointed.

I found it very touching. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 10, 2016, 03:00:46 pm
Watched "My neighbor Totoro" recently. Given how famous it is, i expected something clever or touching, but it was just a straightforward children's movie. I was disappointed.

You monster.

The Hateful Eight : if you like Tarantino, you will love it. If you're even a slightly conflicted about him, probably not.
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Post by: enfynet on January 10, 2016, 07:35:12 pm
Watched "My neighbor Totoro" recently. Given how famous it is, i expected something clever or touching, but it was just a straightforward children's movie. I was disappointed.

You monster.

The Hateful Eight : if you like Tarantino, you will love it. If you're even a slightly conflicted about him, probably not.
I love Inglorious Basterds. I really enjoy Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Django Unchained. Was pleased with Jackie Brown and From Dusk til Dawn. Did not care for Deathproof or Kill Bill.
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Post by: Teproc on January 11, 2016, 10:15:13 am
Huh, Kill Bill is an unusual one not to like. Hateful Eight does have Kill Bill-like amounts of gore at certain points if that's what bothered you.

Mostly what I mean is that Tarantino's best scenes tend to be people sitting down and talking with some kind of underlying tension and threat of violence implied. The Hateful Eight is that for about three hours.
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Post by: KingZog3 on January 11, 2016, 10:57:24 am
Huh, Kill Bill is an unusual one not to like. Hateful Eight does have Kill Bill-like amounts of gore at certain points if that's what bothered you.

Mostly what I mean is that Tarantino's best scenes tend to be people sitting down and talking with some kind of underlying tension and threat of violence implied. The Hateful Eight is that for about three hours.

I didn't like Kill Bill either because I felt it didn't have those Tarantino moments of tension during long conversations. It was just silly action and lots of gore.
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Post by: Kuildeous on January 11, 2016, 11:20:09 am
Yeah, I'd say that Tarantino does a couple of scenes really well. He has conversation scenes that could be about mundane crap that grabs your attention (Reservoir Dogs). He also has action scenes that are homages to other genres (Kill Bill). And sometimes he'll combine them (Inglorious Basterds).

As much as I appreciate QT's handling of dialogue, I will say that I got pretty fucking sick of Deathproof. For the first time I wanted a QT conversation to just end and get to the next stage. And then the next stage was disappointing for me too. It probably would have been less disappointing if the gab wasn't cranked up to 17 (11 is as high as I'll go).

I'm looking forward to seeing the Hateful Eight. Sounds like it does what QT does well, and the fact that one of them is Samuel Jackson is additional icing.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 12, 2016, 07:50:33 pm
So I saw The Revenant this weekend, highly recommend it.  If you haven't seen it, I suggest going into it without reading anything about it or really knowing how other people reacted to it.  Not for spoilerage reasons or anything, but just because I think it's something that should be experienced without having many preconceptions or expectations.

I also saw Mad Max: Fury Road last night.  I missed it in the theaters.  Ultimately I really enjoyed it.. not sure I'd put it up among "top movies", but definitely worth watching.  And Tom Hardy is always awesome. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on January 12, 2016, 10:51:05 pm
I want to see the Revenent. Instead I just saw Star Wars. I don't get the hype. It's just JJ Abrams' Star Trek movies with the title Star Wars, terrible dialogue, boring action and a plot that is basically just lots of coincidences. Very underwhelming.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on January 13, 2016, 01:13:53 am
What you mean is:

JJ Abrams Star Trek movies were more Wars than Trek, so his Star Wars felt like a Star Wars movie.

You have seen Star Wars before, right?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 09:37:25 am
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: drsteelhammer on January 13, 2016, 09:40:50 am
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.

If it wouldn't have anything else going on, then yes.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 13, 2016, 10:15:07 am
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.

I guess it's okay if coincidences are added for symmetry and structure, and it's done well. Such as when in A Clockwork Orange, Alex meets all the people he was cruel to before, and they pay him back. It's intentional - the repetition and reversal is celebrated, like the chorus of a musical piece you know after two people appeared, that now the third will appear. It's for art, for making a statement, not to drive the story.

In Great Expectations the coincidences are cheap, out-of-nowhere deus-ex-machinas to make sure good boy Pip gets rewarded in the end. It's so arbitrary and has so little to do with the rest of the story that i couldn't help feel i wasted too much of my time reading the book. And i like reading.
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Post by: GendoIkari on January 13, 2016, 10:25:11 am
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.

Me too. A lot of people complained about it in Star Wars. But to me, movies in general do that, because interesting events pretty much by definition have a low chance of happening. What people seem to miss is that for every 1 event that happens in a movie, there's a million other possibilities that didn't happen, which didn't get movies made out of them. Because they weren't interesting.

It's kind of like saying "what are the odds that John McClain would just happen to be in the right building at the right time when terrorists came to attack the building?" Well they are very low... it's quite a coincidence that he was there. But it wouldn't be an interesting story if he weren't there.

The fact is that extremely unlikely events occur all the time. If I ask my computer for a random number between 1 and a million, and it gives me 447,423, well, there was only a 1 in a million chance that that would occur. But no matter what number it gives me, there was only a 1 in a million chance of it occurring.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on January 13, 2016, 10:28:40 am
So you could just watch it again, and then like it, right?

This happens to me. 1408 is a good example. Based on the previews, I was expecting a typical horror film. At the end, I was disappointed because it wasn't really scary. But I realized that it really was more along the lines of psychological thriller than horror. And I love psychological thrillers. So I watched it again at some point, and really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on January 13, 2016, 11:31:56 am
I was talking about the "coincidence" thing just the other day. Movie in question was Fury.. like, yeah, so out of all 5 tanks, it's them that survive, how convenient?

Well, if it was another tank (Murder Inc or w/e) that survived the skirmish, we would be watching a movie about them and not about Fury, wouldn't we?
You can't really follow this 5 guys in a tank, have them die 30 minutes in, and than go over to these other 5 guys in this other tank that managed to survive.  ;D

And I actually saw a lot of movies since I last posted (also trying to get 100 movies in 2016, am at 7 atm), including the discussed H8ful 8, from which I expected a bit more (more intrigue, to be honest), but was a hit anyway. Also SW, Inside out but some older stuff too like Cool Hand Luke which was pretty fun.

Edit: did anybody see "Love Exposure" ? I am getting some good reviews but it's 4 and a half hours long adn I don't have that much time to spend on something I will regret halfway in.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on January 13, 2016, 11:56:59 am
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.

I don't know Great Expectations.

A plot with too many coincidences is bad because it's not believable. Lack of believability means lack of immersion and, if it's too much, lack of me caring. Real life is not an alignment of 1/10000 odds that all come true. It also makes the plot predictable.

The fact is that extremely unlikely events occur all the time. If I ask my computer for a random number between 1 and a million, and it gives me 447,423, well, there was only a 1 in a million chance that that would occur. But no matter what number it gives me, there was only a 1 in a million chance of it occurring.

That's missing the point.

You can explain every event away by listing a number of possible outcomes that all have equal probability and saying 'all outcomes have been equally likely!'. For example, if you buy a lottery ticket, you could say that it's not particularly unlikely that you got everything right, because the set of numbers that were selected has been exactly as likely as any other set.

What matters for a judgement of 'likely' or 'unlikely' is how you grouped/would group your sets of probabilities before the event happens. If you buy a lottery ticket, you'll group them in 'loss' and 'win' and 'win' is a lot less likely, so if it happens, it's an unlikely coincidence, whereas 'loss' is really likely, and you don't really care how exactly the loss came to pass.

Similarly, in your number example, if you generate 447423, that's not an unlikely coincidence. If you had gone up to it saying 'I want it to generate the number 447423 and then it does it, that would be an unlikely coincidence. Similarly, if you draw 4 cards and they're all aces, that's an unlikely coincidence, because you perceive aces as something special. If you draw 4, 7, J, J in three different colors, that's not an unlikely coincidence, because you had just grouped it in with a ton of other outcomes as 'nothing special'.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on January 13, 2016, 12:00:52 pm
A plot with too many coincidences is bad because it's not believable. Lack of believability means lack of immersion and, if it's too much, lack of me caring. Real life is not an alignment of 1/10000 odds that all come true. It also makes the plot predictable.

That's the entire point of fiction, though. If you want something to feel realistic, there's this "real life" thing, have you tried that? It's pretty boring in my experience though, so I can't really recommend it too much.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on January 13, 2016, 12:05:00 pm
But to me, movies in general do that, because interesting events pretty much by definition have a low chance of happening.

I don't think that's really true, but it depends on what you think is interesting.

In any case, coincidences are not a polar thing. Some stories manage good plots with much fewer of them than others. Take Game of Thrones, and then take TFA.

And it also matters how and when they happen. Particularly, if you have one extremely unlikely event and then everything after that is believable, that's great. The one won't bother me, because it makes sense: the movie shows this particular person because something super unlikely happened to exactly this person. But if that unlikely thing is followed up by another string of unlikely things, then that's bad.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 12:07:44 pm
I still never get the "coincidence" argument for why a movie is bad.  I always wonder if people have the same criticism for a novel like Great Expectations.

I don't know Great Expectations.

A plot with too many coincidences is bad because it's not believable. Lack of believability means lack of immersion and, if it's too much, lack of me caring. Real life is not an alignment of 1/10000 odds that all come true. It also makes the plot predictable.

I don't really agree with this.  Why should a movie be believable?  Maybe you want to watch something believable, that's fine.  But that's not relating to quality.  Maybe they film makers are going for a particular general/feel/immersion where adherence to reality is important, okay.   But generally the events that take place don't have to be believable.  I mean, watch a David Lynch film.  It's not believable, but it represents something real about life.  The immersion is not lost.  In fact, the surrealism enhances the immersion.  Or many other films.  Old Boy was entirely unbelievable.  It was immensely immersive.

I also do not understand the criticism of predictability.  I could easily make a movie with an unpredictable plot.  I will simply string together five-minute clips from a random selection of movies.  Predictability and nonpredictability is about stylistic choices.  Narrative is inherently predictable; that's why we do things like foreshadowing and have Checkov's gun.  If the sequel does not follow logically from the beginning, then people will complain that the beginning was a waste of time.

Watching movies isn't about plot.  The plot is simply a backdrop for you to experience storytelling.   
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 12:10:17 pm
But to me, movies in general do that, because interesting events pretty much by definition have a low chance of happening.

I don't think that's really true, but it depends on what you think is interesting.

In any case, coincidences are not a polar thing. Some stories manage good plots with much fewer of them than others. Take Game of Thrones, and then take TFA.

And it also matters how and when they happen. Particularly, if you have one extremely unlikely event and then everything after that is believable, that's great. The one won't bother me, because it makes sense: the movie shows this particular person because something super unlikely happened to exactly this person. But if that unlikely thing is followed up by another string of unlikely things, then that's bad.

If you want a story that doesn't rely on any kind of coincidence, watch Mad Men.  Well, that's a TV show so in a sense it's a collection of stories, but it still applies.  Game of Thrones is not the best example.  There are quite a few chance encounters on roads there.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on January 13, 2016, 12:15:05 pm
It's hard to explain the coincidence thing. Of course crazy things happen in movies, but it's about suspension of disbelief. The plot in the new star wars movies happens all in like 3 hours in the characters time. So stormtrooper guy crash lands on a planet and HAPPENS to be within walking distance of the droid he's looking for, which also HAPPENS to be where the millenium  falcon is blah blah blah. It goes on with crazy things and after a while I just think "Wow, this would never happen even in their world." And it's not like Clockwork Orange where the coincidence is for dramatic effect. In Star Wars it's jut because they could be bothered to write a good plot. It's just "Hey, we need this to happen so let's make it dumb luck."

EDIT: I think it's this. The characters in the movie have plans. But their plans are so dumb because they rely on the craziest coincidences to happen. Fin had to find the droid at the start of the movie, but that should logically take months because a planet is HUGE! But it takes all of 20 minutes. But the rest of the story relies on him doing that, and meeting Rey. As opposed to a coincidence happening and the characters deal with the consequences of it. Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels is mostly coincidences, but none of the chracters planned on them. They happen and then the characters deal with the aftermath. They don't make dumb plans that require these improbable things to happen.

Also, when you see a lot of movies, you start to want something more than just the whatever story thrown together. When I can guess the dialogue, I wonder why I'm paying to see the movie and not being paid to make movies. It doesn't need to be some crazy story, or super weird, but at least put some effort into the writing. Movies like Drive have a super normal story. Nothing special about it, but you can't guess each line of dialogue like it was coming out of a computer program. Man, even John Wick had better dialogue than the Star Wars movie, and that's saying something.
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Post by: silverspawn on January 13, 2016, 12:22:37 pm
I don't really agree with this.  Why should a movie be believable?  Maybe you want to watch something believable, that's fine.  But that's not relating to quality.
What I said was more meant as 'this is why I don't like unlikely coincidences' not as 'they are bad'.

If you talk about 'quality', it touches on the issue of whether or not you believe in objectivity. I think (like I said in the starwars thread) that the terminology isn't defined, so whether or not it relates to quality just depends on how you would define quality. Since I think that, I also think that every reaction you have to a movie is equally valid. So I'm not saying you have to be bothered by it.

For me, it really depends on what the story is going for. A hijackers guide to the galaxy, for example, isn't trying to construct a believable story, it's trying to be funny and thought provoking. Coincidences there aren't a bad thing.

TFA awakens, though, is trying to construct a believable story (or, I guess you could argue that it's not, but if it's not, then it's not really doing anything). The plot just feels like really lazy and poorly written to me.

I also do not understand the criticism of predictability.  I could easily make a movie with an unpredictable plot.  I will simply string together five-minute clips from a random selection of movies.  Predictability and nonpredictability is about stylistic choices.  Narrative is inherently predictable; that's why we do things like foreshadowing and have Checkov's gun.  If the sequel does not follow logically from the beginning, then people will complain that the beginning was a waste of time.
That's again depending on what the movie is going for.

If the plot is predictable, then there is no suspense. If the movie never tried to get me to feel suspense but does other things instead, that could be fine. Let's take, uh... Kung Fury is the best example that comes to mind. There is zero suspense in that movie, but it's hilarious and fun.

Back to TFA, I really feel like the movies tries to make you feel suspense. But it totally fails. And if it doesn't try that, well the movie isn't funny, it's not thought provoking, it's not scary, so what is it?

Narrative is inherently predictable
That's not true. Game of Thrones isn't predictable. Being John Malkovich isn't predictable either. Both have narratives.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 13, 2016, 12:23:32 pm
One of five tanks surviving or rolling a 4 on a 10-sided die are not coincidences, they are just incidents. That's legitimate. Although there ARE movies where the main character dies a few minutes in and perspective is switched after that. It's one of the things that make Psycho, although not perfect, a remarkable movie.

But if coincidence meets coincidence, things become implausible. American cinema gives us total heroism in the face of total hopelessness, and then total triumph over total villains. In it, all is perfect. A good example is Han Solo shooting first - it was edited out because it's not perfect enough. Coincidences in american cinema too often serve the purpose of allowing the heroes to perfectly win in a perfectly desperate situation. That's what i dislike about it in movies.

In Great Expectations, yes, the coincidence is totally possible. It just doesn't make much sense in my eyes to tell a story about someone getting rich because he got lucky. It's not a story about him, but about a coincidence/incident. You could just as well tell a story about somebody winning the lottery. Or about rolling a 4.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 13, 2016, 01:06:04 pm
Any time a plot bothers you, it's either because :
a) the film isn't holding your interest
b) you care too much about dumb things like plot

Often a combination of the two (plot isn't always dumb, but it is by far the most overrated/overdiscussed/whateveryouwanttocallit aspect of film). Obviously if something takes you out of the movie, then that's a problem, and obviously it's likely going to lead to you not liking the film very much.

And then we get to the fact that people need every movie they don't like to be bad and every movie they like to be good. There's no such thing as a good or bad movie, that's like saying there's a good or bad fruit. Just because you like oranges doesn't mean they're a good fruit. It just means you like oranges. Good for you !

Now I do get that fruits actually have some qualities that make them good or bad, in that they can be healthy or not. And in fact a similar thing can be said for movies : some films are "good" because they have a positive impact on society, some are bad because the reverse is true. But that's another aspect entirely that has nothing to do with the film itself and your experience with it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 13, 2016, 01:11:43 pm
To be clear, my point isn't just that everything is subjective, it's more that we spend way too much time worrying about what makes a "quality" film or not, when that doesn't matter. All that matters is what makes a film work for you or doesn't. That's where you get interesting discussions : if you can explain what reaction a movie (true of any work of art really but this is a film thread) you had and why, then it's interesting to see why other people had a similar reaction or not. Trying to find what's good and what isn't... it's not that interesting, to me at least.
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Post by: silverspawn on January 13, 2016, 01:30:46 pm
Do we disagree on anything? @Teproc
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Post by: Awaclus on January 13, 2016, 01:33:35 pm
And then we get to the fact that people need every movie they don't like to be bad and every movie they like to be good. There's no such thing as a good or bad movie, that's like saying there's a good or bad fruit. Just because you like oranges doesn't mean they're a good fruit. It just means you like oranges. Good for you !

But there is such a thing as a good movie and bad movie. Oranges are a good fruit, I just don't like them.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 01:36:23 pm
It's hard to explain the coincidence thing. Of course crazy things happen in movies, but it's about suspension of disbelief. The plot in the new star wars movies happens all in like 3 hours in the characters time. So stormtrooper guy crash lands on a planet and HAPPENS to be within walking distance of the droid he's looking for, which also HAPPENS to be where the millenium  falcon is blah blah blah. It goes on with crazy things and after a while I just think "Wow, this would never happen even in their world." And it's not like Clockwork Orange where the coincidence is for dramatic effect. In Star Wars it's jut because they could be bothered to write a good plot. It's just "Hey, we need this to happen so let's make it dumb luck."

Man, but that's the point of fantasy/imagination.  It's adventure, it's excitement, and really you want these kinds of things to happen. Them stumbling across the Millennium Falcon makes for better story telling than if they had found some random ship.  There is something alluring about destiny, fate, amazing things, etc... it's the kind of stuff you imagine as a kid.   Would it really be any better if coincidence/luck wasn't involved?  I don't think so. 

I see the point about dialogue.  You want that to be interesting and engrossing. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 01:38:00 pm
I don't really agree with this.  Why should a movie be believable?  Maybe you want to watch something believable, that's fine.  But that's not relating to quality.
What I said was more meant as 'this is why I don't like unlikely coincidences' not as 'they are bad'.

If you talk about 'quality', it touches on the issue of whether or not you believe in objectivity. I think (like I said in the starwars thread) that the terminology isn't defined, so whether or not it relates to quality just depends on how you would define quality. Since I think that, I also think that every reaction you have to a movie is equally valid. So I'm not saying you have to be bothered by it.

For me, it really depends on what the story is going for. A hijackers guide to the galaxy, for example, isn't trying to construct a believable story, it's trying to be funny and thought provoking. Coincidences there aren't a bad thing.

And, obviously perfectly rationally explained, because you have an improbability drive.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on January 13, 2016, 01:39:13 pm
In other news, I've been watching /x/'s favorite horror movies lately. Kairo was disappointing, Banshee Chapter was excellent.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on January 13, 2016, 01:47:35 pm
Did I just miss a discussion about the believability of Star Wars?

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Post by: Teproc on January 13, 2016, 03:15:14 pm
Do we disagree on anything? @Teproc

I quite like The Force Awakens !
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 13, 2016, 03:22:25 pm
Not sure I'm making my point clear regarding predictability.  A narrative inherently has sequel follow from premise, so is inherently "predictable".   There is of course misdirection, twists, etc., put those are simply utilizing this.  In the sense that something is "predictable" because you've seen the same thing unfold so many times before, then the criticism is probably better expressed as "unoriginal" or "not innovative".  But originality and innovation in regards to plot is not the most important thing.. as Teproc said, plot is not what storytelling is about; it's just like a medium. 
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 13, 2016, 03:32:47 pm
In the particular case of TFA re: predictability : history repeating itself is actually a major theme in Star Wars. Does TFA push it a little further than it should ? Probably. But it's not an accident, and works with the general idea of this being a new generation dealing with the past generation's mistakes and/or achievments.

As far as believability goes... Star Wars was never really concerned with believability, shaping itself more like a fantasy story than a sci-fi one : the fact that it takes place "a long long time ago" pretty much tells you everything you need to know there.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on January 14, 2016, 09:11:22 am
Movies in general just got worse, with the passing of Alan Rickman.  :'( I've always looked forward to seeing his performances.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on January 14, 2016, 09:55:52 am
Movies in general just got worse, with the passing of Alan Rickman.  :'( I've always looked forward to seeing his performances.

Yeah, I envisioned him making movies all through old age—like Ian McKellan. Rickman really knew how to command the screen. I bet his stage performances were awesome too.
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Post by: pacovf on January 15, 2016, 10:59:12 pm
Watched Hateful Eight. Definitely not the best Tarantino movie, but it had its moments. Tim Roth was channeling Christoph Waltz hard, wasn't he?
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Post by: GendoIkari on January 17, 2016, 11:32:55 pm
Just watched The Judge. Wow, so good. Duvall, Downey, and D'Onofrio all give amazing performances.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on January 21, 2016, 08:02:11 am
So the TV happened to be on a station that was showing Southland Tales. My friend and I missed the first 52 minutes, but the movie was weird enough to draw us in.

It had weird elements, much like Crimewave, the Big Lebowski, and Repo Man, that were enough to draw me in but not overly interesting. After watching it through to the end, we felt like it was worth watching, but we had no interest in watching it from the beginning. It was like there was an unspoken requirement to watch the film, and now that we did that, we were under no obligation to deal with the film again. I did rewind to the part where the Baron was making a deal with the Prime Minister of Japan because that scene was awesome and bad, especially since the Baron was played by the Sicilian from Princess Bride.

And that's another weird thing about this movie. It had a huge cast. Dwayne Johnson, Sarah Michelle Gellar, John Larroquette, Christopher Lambert, Jon Lovitz, Seann William Scott, and a bunch of other people I have surely forgotten. Yet despite such a cast, I was not familiar with this movie. How could this have slipped under my radar for the past 10 years?

The timing of the movie is appropriate. It was filmed in 2006, five years after the World Trade Center attack. This movie has biting commentary on the War on Terror and American chauvinism. It also makes some jabs at hyper-consumerism. You can tell this is an intelligent piece of work, but the pacing was off.

I'll still need time to digest it. It was on Encore, and I recently sent my cancellation, so I don't know if I'll have another chance to watch it. I could set it to record and see if watching the first 52 minutes makes a little more sense. I suspect not.
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Post by: Asper on January 21, 2016, 09:06:20 am
A long time ago i watched 12 Angry Men. I always thought it was a well-made, but incredibly questionable movie. You have one person, who talks 11 other jury members into changing their mind on a decision in court (the suspect is implied to have all evidence against them - the crime in question is murder). A few of the points he makes work, but in the end the last jury member standing against him still thinks the suspect is guilty - because a woman made an oath that she saw him.

In the movie, our "hero" actually manages to convince that last jury member that it's "reasonable" to assume the woman lied about having seen the suspect, because she might be short-sighted, because she might actually be wearing glasses, because she rubbed over her nose in court, and those glasses might be so strong she couldn't have seen something, and she might not have told the court about the glasses because she might be vain. It's a parody. If you can't trust a person that has no reason to lie when they are on oath (and there is NO evidence saying your suspect is not guilty), the whole concept of court and justice flies out of the window.
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Post by: Teproc on January 21, 2016, 10:04:59 am
It's called reasonable doubt. That's what the film is about. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the defense.

In 12 Angry Men, the guy is still most likely guilty, if only because there's no other alternative. If he didn't do it, who did ?

But that's not how justice works : again, the burden of the proof in on the accuser. 12 Angry Men is a more morally/ethically complex film than appears at first glance. There wouldn't be a need to glorify values such as the rule of law if they were instinctively easy to follow, and the case perfectly exemplifies that.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 21, 2016, 10:46:34 am
It's called reasonable doubt. That's what the film is about. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the defense.

In 12 Angry Men, the guy is still most likely guilty, if only because there's no other alternative. If he didn't do it, who did ?

But that's not how justice works : again, the burden of the proof in on the accuser. 12 Angry Men is a more morally/ethically complex film than appears at first glance. There wouldn't be a need to glorify values such as the rule of law if they were instinctively easy to follow, and the case perfectly exemplifies that.

So, if you go to court, and swear an oath that you saw Mister X murder a person, it wouldn't trouble you at all if a jury member talked the others into discarding your observation? Why even go there at all?

What if you went to court, told people you saw some guy murder another man and then somebody in the jury chamber said: "Did you see how tired he looked, and confused, i bet he's a druggie, he probably dreamt that." And if another responded "He didn't look confused or tired to me.", that guy would say: "Well, isn't it possible you just missed it? Isn't there reasonable doubt? And if we can't absolutely exclude that he was tired and confused, how can we say for certain he didn't do drugs and just dream all of it? How can we know 10000000% sure the murder even happened? How can we know things fall down because of gravity? How is there no reasonable doubt i'm not a space monkey from venus?"

No, i stand with my claim the movie is a parody. The guy in it abuses his position as a jury member to take law into his own hands, and he does it well enough to get a murderer free. The fact that you can never know something with 100% certainity is a philosophical issue - using it as an argument in court is unethical.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 21, 2016, 11:12:31 am
Thinking about it, i guess the question is mostly where you draw the line of what is reasonable. We both will agree that questioning a witness who has good reason to lie is reasonable. We also agree that going for a space monkey theory is not reasonable. We differ on whether doubting a witness who swore an oath and has no apparent reason to lie is reasonable. I say it's not, you seem to say it is. My point is that when one goes with your position, calling witnesses into court at all is a farce.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 21, 2016, 11:38:25 am
It's been a while since I've seen it, so you might be right about certain specifics being a bit far-fetched (and I do remember it getting a bit too close to "the truth is unknowable anyway"). So maybe in this specific case Fonda's character is stretching the definition of reasonable doubt, but that's not because it's a parody, I (reasonably) doubt you really believe that. The reason is simply that it makes for better suspense : you're presented with what seems like unsurmountable evidence and then you see Fonda's character tear it apart, which I found to be very enjoyable. It sounds like you didn't really think he was effective at tearing some of those apart, fair enough.

As for your specific points : discrediting witnesses is a thing, you must be aware of that right ? Maybe the glasses thing is a bit far-fetched, but it's something that happens all the time in those situations, and with reason : people's memories are unreliable. That doesn't mean you can't ever trust a witness because you'll always find something : you don't have to go from one extreme to the other.

There's also another aspect in 12 Angry Men, which is the death penalty. The reason Fonda has a pretty loose definition of what constitutes reasonable doubt also has to do with the, well, final quality of the sentence.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on January 21, 2016, 12:51:54 pm
As for your specific points : discrediting witnesses is a thing, you must be aware of that right ?

It is a thing, but isn't that the attorneys' place to determine the relevancy of that?

It's been a real long time since I read it, but I seem to recall that the jury was doing detective work in the realm outside of the court case. If the attorney didn't think her vision was relevant to the case (and he'd speak up if he did), then is it reasonable for the jury to go that extra mile?

I dunno. Maybe it's time to cast Summon Theory. IANAL, but I'll continue to giggle every time I type that out.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 21, 2016, 01:21:17 pm
It's been a while since I've seen it, so you might be right about certain specifics being a bit far-fetched (and I do remember it getting a bit too close to "the truth is unknowable anyway"). So maybe in this specific case Fonda's character is stretching the definition of reasonable doubt, but that's not because it's a parody, I (reasonably) doubt you really believe that. The reason is simply that it makes for better suspense : you're presented with what seems like unsurmountable evidence and then you see Fonda's character tear it apart, which I found to be very enjoyable. It sounds like you didn't really think he was effective at tearing some of those apart, fair enough.

As for your specific points : discrediting witnesses is a thing, you must be aware of that right ? Maybe the glasses thing is a bit far-fetched, but it's something that happens all the time in those situations, and with reason : people's memories are unreliable. That doesn't mean you can't ever trust a witness because you'll always find something : you don't have to go from one extreme to the other.

There's also another aspect in 12 Angry Men, which is the death penalty. The reason Fonda has a pretty loose definition of what constitutes reasonable doubt also has to do with the, well, final quality of the sentence.

I said "Parody" in the sense that i think it's outrageous, not that it actively tries to make fun of something. Maybe i misused the word, it might lack the reading it has in my mother tongue. Maybe i should have said "Travesty"? And Kuildous makes another point that i just touched - the jury member does an attorney's work. I think that's not okay and actively dangerous. When i saw the movie i couldn't help feeling he had a hidden motive and was just good at manipulating people. I take it you wouldn't accept his behaviour if he was trying to make others believe the subject was guilty, right?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on January 21, 2016, 01:24:49 pm
Isn't it adressed though ? Specifically the knife thing is way outside a juror's prerogative, and I do believe that is discussed there. Not that satisfactorily though, you're right. Again a case where the director went for drama over thematic coherence, which I'll admit is somewhat problematic when you're making that kind of film.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on January 21, 2016, 03:12:44 pm
Isn't it adressed though ? Specifically the knife thing is way outside a juror's prerogative, and I do believe that is discussed there. Not that satisfactorily though, you're right. Again a case where the director went for drama over thematic coherence, which I'll admit is somewhat problematic when you're making that kind of film.

The thing is, i don't disagree with the topic of the movie at all - a person shouldn't be found guilty only because you can't prove their inncocence, even if there is evidence, be critical of it, etc.. I just think the movie overdoes it, and by doing so, harms its own point.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on January 21, 2016, 03:47:15 pm
As for your specific points : discrediting witnesses is a thing, you must be aware of that right ?

It is a thing, but isn't that the attorneys' place to determine the relevancy of that?

It's been a real long time since I read it, but I seem to recall that the jury was doing detective work in the realm outside of the court case. If the attorney didn't think her vision was relevant to the case (and he'd speak up if he did), then is it reasonable for the jury to go that extra mile?

I dunno. Maybe it's time to cast Summon Theory. IANAL, but I'll continue to giggle every time I type that out.

Yes, if you do outside investigation, you are probably going to be relieved of jury duty. You are not allowed to read the papers (i believe), and private investigation goes beyond that. So yes, Fonda goes beyond what is in the duty of a juror.

But I don't really think it matters. As Teproc said, it is a movie about morality. The other people just accept that he has done it and want to go on with their lives, Fonda has deeper, almost philosophical approach. The details might not fit perfectly, but I don't think it makes the movie that much worse.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pingpongsam on January 24, 2016, 04:42:11 pm
Watched Hector and the Search for Happiness this weekend. Went into knowing nothing about it and liked it for an easy watch. Found out later the Internet doesn't care toomuch for it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on January 24, 2016, 10:07:24 pm
Okay, I finally caught the Hateful Eight. I liked it. I can certainly see how critics of QT would dislike it. It is long, and there are long periods where nothing happens. It is a QT movie.

The characters were interesting, though a couple of them really could have used some more attention just so that they didn't feel like background characters.

The mystery aspect was fun, and I had no idea what to expect, so while I wasn't wowwed by the reveal, it was still pleasing to see it unfold. I honestly had no idea what it was going to be. There was the perfect set-up for Chris being involved. Just because he was about to drink the coffee did not preclude him being culpable. The murderer could have easily watched the people drinking coffee and then conveniently time his approach to the coffee in order to look innocent. I was actually expecting that, but I'm kind of glad QT didn't try to milk that twist.

I would definitely say that fans of Reservoir Dogs would love the Hateful Eight. It had the same elements of betrayal, mistrust, and focus on conversation.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on January 24, 2016, 10:13:14 pm
I actually also saw the Hateful Eight tonight. I really liked it, but yeah, it will feel slow if you don't like slow movies. For me it felt short. It flew by and I was interested the whole time. I do agree some of the characters  could have used a bit more development, but at the same time it's nice that there is still mystery to them. It's not all explained, and there's still an air of mysticism about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on January 25, 2016, 03:29:50 am
Finally watched The Tale of the Princess Kaguya (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2576852/).  If you go into it hoping for Miyazaki, you will be sorely disappointed.  You could definitely feel Takahata's influence, especially the scenes in the countryside, but in a lot of ways the pacing and story reminded me more of popular Japanese period soap operas than a slightly fantastical folk tale retold.

The art is purposefully drawn, and other than one scene where Kaguya runs, it isn't very interesting to me.  There were some beautiful shots in the beginning, with the shining light and the bamboo, but overall I was underwhelmed.  There is a nod to Spirited Away during the end sequence, though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: pingpongsam on January 25, 2016, 08:58:01 am
On The Hateful Eight; I thought the final scene where they hang Daisy was brilliant and had me laughing out loud in the theatre.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on January 25, 2016, 03:18:59 pm
I recently rewatched "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" and I can't decide if that movie or Memento is my absolute favorite film. Speaking of Memento, I am positively furious that a remake is already being created (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/christopher-nolans-memento-get-remake-840587), but I am not surprised.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on January 26, 2016, 03:06:32 pm
Turns out I walked through the middle of a John Wick 2 scene they are shooting here a few times yesterday and today.  Didn't see Keanu anywhere.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Qvist on January 26, 2016, 04:39:54 pm
I just finished watching the 5 original Planet of the Apes movies.
The first one was great, I enjoyed it a lot.
But the second one I nearly stopped watching. The telepathic bomb-worshipping humans were just ridiculous. We were lauging so hard.
#3-#5 had also some flaws, but weren't as bad as #2.

Now to watch the Tim Burton one and the two new ones.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on January 26, 2016, 05:42:26 pm
Turns out I walked through the middle of a John Wick 2 scene they are shooting here a few times yesterday and today.  Didn't see Keanu anywhere.

Maybe I'll see you in it when it comes out. It better r as good as the first one.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2016, 03:03:20 am
Turns out I walked through the middle of a John Wick 2 scene they are shooting here a few times yesterday and today.  Didn't see Keanu anywhere.

Maybe I'll see you in it when it comes out. It better r as good as the first one.

Oddly enough, they had a fake NYC taxi here.  Hot dog stands, etc.  I don't know if they were trying to make it look like NYC, but if so, they failed miserably.  Maybe camera angles will help.

But why not just shoot in the States?  Or Canada?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on January 27, 2016, 07:54:30 am
Turns out I walked through the middle of a John Wick 2 scene they are shooting here a few times yesterday and today.  Didn't see Keanu anywhere.

Maybe I'll see you in it when it comes out. It better r as good as the first one.

Oddly enough, they had a fake NYC taxi here.  Hot dog stands, etc.  I don't know if they were trying to make it look like NYC, but if so, they failed miserably.  Maybe camera angles will help.

But why not just shoot in the States?  Or Canada?

There are lots of reasons.  Could be that only part of the movie was set in NYC so moving production wasn't efficient.  Could have been various scheduling or other logistical issues.  Probably ultimately financial.  You also have to get through all kinds of red tape stuff to film in a city.

I know some cases of locations being affected by taxation.  Iowa has very averse laws for movie production because of taxes, so almost no movies (recently, last I know of is Field of Dreams) are made there.  Ironically there was a movie called Cedar Rapids (my home town), which was not even filmed in Iowa at all, but rather, I think Wisconsin (or Minnesota).  I believe this was the main reason.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on January 27, 2016, 10:22:22 am
I saw shooting for a scene in Vancouver for one of the Mission imposiible movies once. It was supposed to look like India. It didn't, but with editing, special effects and only being on the street for like 1 second, it was pretty convincing. So my guess is that NYC scene is either short, or full of close ups.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: enfynet on January 27, 2016, 10:59:57 am
From ground level, they can do a lot of things to make any city look like NYC. Look at downtown Cleveland in the Avengers movie. Both Stuttgart, Germany and New York City were filmed on the same street. The next block over was used for Washington DC in Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on January 27, 2016, 11:11:27 am
I saw shooting for a scene in Vancouver for one of the Mission imposiible movies once. It was supposed to look like India. It didn't, but with editing, special effects and only being on the street for like 1 second, it was pretty convincing. So my guess is that NYC scene is either short, or full of close ups.

Vancouver, and I think Toronto as well, are pretty chameleon-esque for movie shoots. There's a lot you can do when you know the right neighbourhoods and alleys to make something look like another city. Plus the Canadian dollar sucks right now so American productions have a great incentive to come across the border. Pretty sure Deadpool is not set in Vancouver, but it was shot entirely here. Ditto X-Men 3, and like a zillion other movies.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on January 27, 2016, 11:15:12 am
I saw shooting for a scene in Vancouver for one of the Mission imposiible movies once. It was supposed to look like India. It didn't, but with editing, special effects and only being on the street for like 1 second, it was pretty convincing. So my guess is that NYC scene is either short, or full of close ups.

Vancouver, and I think Toronto as well, are pretty chameleon-esque for movie shoots. There's a lot you can do when you know the right neighbourhoods and alleys to make something look like another city. Plus the Canadian dollar sucks right now so American productions have a great incentive to come across the border. Pretty sure Deadpool is not set in Vancouver, but it was shot entirely here. Ditto X-Men 3, and like a zillion other movies.

And basically all television shows.

I know they did some John Wick 2 shooting in NYC because it was on the Internet.  The shooting here was in front of the Modern Art Gallery, including coming down the front steps, which are going to be pretty specific to the location.  But then again, who knows?  I'll have to watch the movie I guess.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 03, 2016, 12:46:07 pm
On The Hateful Eight; I thought the final scene where they hang Daisy was brilliant and had me laughing out loud in the theatre.

I saw it earlier this year, and it was me + a friend + his girlfriend. We both share the similar tastes in movies and comics, so we both liked it. She hated it tho, and also noticed that we were the only ones laughing out lound, especially during that last scene. :D
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on February 20, 2016, 07:21:35 pm
I recently rewatched "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"

I just watched it for the first time and thought it was... . . . .  ???

dumb. very dumb. can you explain the appeal? I don't get why anyone would like it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on February 20, 2016, 07:35:13 pm
I recently rewatched "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"

I just watched it for the first time and thought it was... . . . .  ???

dumb. very dumb. can you explain the appeal? I don't get why anyone would like it.

Uh... what?  It's amazing.  The use of music alone makes it one of my favorite movies.  It's a rare mix of drama with comic relief that not many movies can really pull off.

Also, it's maybe better to watch A Fistfull of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More first.  They're a kind of a trilogy.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 20, 2016, 08:03:28 pm
I don't think it's better to watch the trilogy, Fistful and Few More are not nearly as good.

Good, Bad, Ugly is incredible. I watched it pretty much expecting I won't like it actually, but it was amazing. Cinematography/Photography is incredible. Score I don't think needs word, Ecstasy of Gold is probably the most memorable piece in cinema history. Story ain't really that important as it is mostly character driver, you got these three no-gooders at each other necks, and all 3 of the are so hard-boiled, and it's the gist of it. Eastwood and Wallach kill it. It both defies the genre (at least what was seen as quintessential western at times, John Ford / John Wayne Noble Loner Hero style) and defines it at the same time, as later it became the quintessential western. There's no moral highground, it's just Wild West all the way. I seriously don't know how somebody can NOT like it.


Earlier this week I saw Deadpool (which disappointed at first, but got back on track, was pretty much as I expected it), and saw Carnage tonight, which was cool but it is very obvious at being an adapted play and as such has some problems with the big screen format.

Actually trying to get to 100 this year, January was fine (10), February not so (only 2 so far).. need to catch up! :D
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Post by: pacovf on February 20, 2016, 08:10:04 pm
I actually prefered "a fistfull of dollars" to "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly". I thought that the whole part with the Civil War armies didn't really add much to the story.

Then again, in this world there are two kinds of people my friend.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 20, 2016, 08:14:30 pm
I actually prefered "a fistfull of dollars" to "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly". I thought that the whole part with the Civil War armies didn't really add much to the story.

Then again, in this world there are two kinds of people my friend.

I agree Civil War armies (the battle about that bridge) was odd and the worst part of the movie. The dusty uniforms, but, tho, was GOLD.

Fistful is good (even tho a ripoff :P) but doesn't match GBU, Few More I didn't really like that much.

Anybody saw Korean "The Good, The Bad, and the weird"? It's pretty DAMN awesome.
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Post by: silverspawn on February 20, 2016, 08:19:47 pm
The problem is that all three of the characters are malicious criminals. I don't sympathize with any of them, so I don't care about any of them, so there is zero tension. I don't really care about Action, the movie wasn't funny, and music alone is hardly enough, so there aren't a lot of things left that make it worth watching.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 20, 2016, 08:30:19 pm
You don't need to sympathize with them. You bath in badassery :D
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 20, 2016, 08:31:48 pm
@silverspawn did you see new Mad Max? Did you like it?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on February 20, 2016, 08:48:05 pm
You don't need to sympathize with them. You bath in badassery :D

But that doesn't substitute liking any of them. At least not for me. If it does for normal people, then I guess that explains why the movie is so popular.

@silverspawn did you see new Mad Max?
No - should I watch it?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on February 21, 2016, 12:44:49 am
I think the new mad max is very worth watching.

I saw the little Prince last night. It was... underwhelming. I wanted more stop motion, but they did so much in generic 3D that it kind of lost that personal touch that a couple of the sections in the movie had. Worth seeing if you've seen all the other movies you wanted to see.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 21, 2016, 06:46:39 am
@silverspawn did you see new Mad Max?
No - should I watch it?

It's another movie where I think you should focus on cinematography, visuals/sound and (and in Max's case) world building and forget all the rest (like the non-existant story). Just curious what you think of it, but if you didn't see it, nevermind :D
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on February 22, 2016, 08:00:02 am
I presume you're talking about Mad Max: Fury Road. If you mean the original, then I'll change my statement. Fury Road is remarkably lacking in story. The story could easily be spooned into a half-hour show with room for another story arc. But it was a phenomenally done movie. It draws you in in a manner that makes you forget that there's not that much of a story. I normally poo-poo action movies for sacrificing story for visuals, but Fury Road is one of the few exceptions.

I've seen other people dislike movies because of unlikable characters. I can see that viewpoint. Sometimes you just want to find a character to relate to and feel a connection with. The recent Hateful Eight has some pretty despicable characters. Even Samuel L. eat-some-motherfucking-scenery Jackson's character was deplorable, and you kind of hate yourself for finding yourself liking him. I'm generally okay with a movie with all amoral characters (see Snatch), but even sometimes I might not be in such a mood and will shrug off a movie because I just didn't care for any of the characters. I'm trying to think of a recent example, but I'm failing to grasp at one.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 22, 2016, 08:36:27 am
I presume you're talking about Mad Max: Fury Road. If you mean the original, then I'll change my statement. Fury Road is remarkably lacking in story. The story could easily be spooned into a half-hour show with room for another story arc. But it was a phenomenally done movie. It draws you in in a manner that makes you forget that there's not that much of a story. I normally poo-poo action movies for sacrificing story for visuals, but Fury Road is one of the few exceptions.

Yeah, Fury Road was in queston, and I agree with pretty much all you said.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: GendoIkari on February 22, 2016, 05:50:33 pm
I just finished watching the 5 original Planet of the Apes movies.
The first one was great, I enjoyed it a lot.
But the second one I nearly stopped watching. The telepathic bomb-worshipping humans were just ridiculous. We were lauging so hard.
#3-#5 had also some flaws, but weren't as bad as #2.

Now to watch the Tim Burton one and the two new ones.

I did that same thing last year; just recently finally got to Dawn. Yeah, agree with you on part 2, although I thought the very ending was awesomely epic. How many movies just end with "yeah, the whole world just blew up and earth is now gone"?

I think Rise was my favorite out of all 8.
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Post by: Qvist on February 22, 2016, 06:29:09 pm
I now watched all 8. I think Dawn and the original one I liked best with Rise close behind. I was interesting to watch all of them in a short period of time, I don't regret it.
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Post by: Asper on February 22, 2016, 07:40:35 pm
I just rewatched "Who framed Roger Rabbit" after having it seen the last time when i was about twelve. The movie has a lot of things i wouldn't expect to see in a disney production today, like obvious sex-references and cigar-smoking babies. Which is to say, wow, i always thought this one was Warner Bros with Disney characters appearing, while it apparently is the other way around. A classic.
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 22, 2016, 10:21:42 pm
I just rewatched "Who framed Roger Rabbit" after having it seen the last time when i was about twelve. The movie has a lot of things i wouldn't expect to see in a disney production today, like obvious sex-references and cigar-smoking babies. Which is to say, wow, i always thought this one was Warner Bros with Disney characters appearing, while it apparently is the other way around. A classic.

One of the best movies ever
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Post by: Awaclus on February 22, 2016, 10:26:08 pm
I just saw Absentia. It was absolutely amazeballs, probably my favorite horror movie to date. It reminds me very much of Frictional's survival horror games, especially Penumbra, in more than one sense (incredible production values with a relatively small budget, horror based on the fear of unknown rather than what is explicitly shown, not excessively relying on gore, and an intriguing plot that leaves a lot of ambiguity and room for wildly different interpretations), and it also pulled all of that off really well in my opinion.

EDIT: In other news, looks like someone else has pretty accurately described how I feel about Disney's The Little Mermaid (for the record, the original story is my favorite fairy tale).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_dIzH4_ec
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Post by: drsteelhammer on February 24, 2016, 08:56:22 pm
The Oscars are awarded this weekend! Independant on what you think of the awards ( I don't think they have much merit but I still like watching them), what do you think of the nominees and who should win in your opinion?

Best picture is difficult to decide for me, I don't have a clear favourite. I haven't seen the Revenant yet but I will do so soon. I'm probably not going to bother with Bridge of Spies, so far I haven't heard anything about the movie that justifies a Best Picture nomination. I'll be disappointed if either Mad Max or Martian win because of their lack of...substance? I don't know how to describe it, I found them very bland which is not what I'm looking for in a movie. Mad Max is atleast moderately nice to look at. I quite liked Brooklyn, it's the first "crowdpleaser" in a while that I genuinely liked. It's mainly because of Saorsie Ronan, though.
I found Spotlight great aswell, I really liked how they dealt with the subject matter. Some people said that they were too nice about the whole child abuse thing, but I'm really glad that the director trusted me enough to be disgusted by the whole affair without visual aid. It was indeed very safely shot, though so I don't know if it can be considered Best Picture of the year.
The Big Short surprised me the most. I thought that I didn't want to see a film about the subject but they did it very well. I like the two protagonists even though what they do is not as nice as the movie tries to make it, but I imagine that it was really hard to find a "good guy" on this whole issue. The movie is also very funny, my favourite line of the year comes from that movie: Why is he confessing?! from Steve Carrell's character.
Room is probably my close favourite compared to the two above. I have nearly no complaints about the movie the only thing I remember disliking are two short parts in the script which is rather a personal problem than a problem with the script. You should go all watch this movie if you can.
Movie that totally should have been nominated: Carol, Anomalisa

Best Actor/Actress: I'm rooting for Fassbender and Ronan, altough I'm very fine with Larson. I'm pretty confident that Ronan continues to act amazingly and she can get a Oscar for a better movie.
Also Rooney Mara best "Supporting actress" even though she has the most screentime in Carol.

Best Foreign Film: My favourite is Mustang, but I haven't seen Son of Saul which is supposed to be very good.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Grujah on February 25, 2016, 01:33:01 pm
I like the Oscars, I don't swear but it, but you mostly know what the Award entitles, so when you watch an "Oscar nominated/winning movie" you know what you are getting yourself into most of the time.

Now, from the Best Movie nominees, I saw Mad Max, Room, Spotlight and The Big Short, (all except Max in last 3 days) and will try to squeeze in a one or two more till sunday.

Now, Big Short actually disappointed me. The whole movie is so confusing and disjointed, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's basically 3 stories that are not connected in any way except that all 3 of them deal with shorting the stocks. Narative is also all over the place, it is interjected by these wierd slidehows, by characters breaking 3rd wall, and this explanations of the whole shebang, CDOs, AAA properties, etc. And that is the worst part, I think they've tried to explain the whole deal to me like 5 times all together, and the whole time I was still struggling to get it, and by the end I both still didn't understnad most of it, and didn't care at all.
Steve Carrell is fucking great and that is about the only good thing I  can say. Bale getting the nomination and not him is an error for sure.

Spotlight is pretty good. My main "problem" (even tho it's not really a problem) is that is is just so un-kinematographic (it lacks things like character progression and flow that you usually expect of the movies) that if feels more like a documentary. Subject is very touchy and I don't think that being non-explicit was bad, I feel that showing the victims and showing the range of emotions that main characters (reporters) go through the movie has nailed how the viewer feels as well, at that was great. It had some really strong scenes, my favouirte ones are when A guy "leans" on Robby in a bar (near the end) and Robby is completely in disbelief, realzing how this whole thing escalated as much as it did and When he argues how they are as responsible as the lawyers, as nobody noticed, especially him who had the list years ago in his desk.. Also Ruffalo is surprisingly good.

The Room was a big surprise. I actually expected a it to be much more light and more of a standard "bestseller adaptation" (like Girl with Dragon Tattoo and the like), but it hit hard. It takes a while to realize what exactly is going on and the movie makes a good use of that time, also both Mom's and Jack's mental state after they get out is, I believe, done so believable, as well as the reaction of the people/family. It's a great movie, and a emotional rollercoaster for sure.  ;D

Now, Mad Max. I saw it 3-4 times for sure. I love the movie. The world that George Miller made is superb. Every small detail of it, he nails. The technologies, the lingo, the society, every single thing I was amazed by. I already spoke of the movie before, I am not going to. I am not sure that this can win it (But LOTR and Avatar did it), but I secretly hope so.  :P Spotlight or Room taking it, I don't mind either.

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Post by: Witherweaver on February 25, 2016, 01:39:07 pm
I really liked The Big Short.  I thought all the storytelling mechanisms worked really well.  I didn't mind the separate story lines; I found all the characters interesting. 
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Post by: Witherweaver on February 25, 2016, 01:39:51 pm
Tom Hardy is excellent in everything.  I don't follow awards, but he should get something for Legend.
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Post by: Teproc on February 25, 2016, 03:18:06 pm
For the record, Avatar didn't win, it was the favorite but got beaten by The Hurt Locker.

LOTR did win, but it took three tries, I don't see MM:FR doing it, specifically because it didn't win any of the industry awards (as opposed to critics awards). It seems to be between Spotlight, The Big Short and The Revenant. The latter just came out here, not sure I'll be able to see it before Sunday, but between the other two I'm very much rooting for Spotlight.
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Post by: KingZog3 on February 25, 2016, 03:21:45 pm
I think the Revenant might win, but I didn't think it was amazing. Tom Hardy was better in it than Decaprio, and it felt very long.
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Post by: Grujah on February 25, 2016, 03:35:02 pm
For the record, Avatar didn't win, it was the favorite but got beaten by The Hurt Locker.

LOTR did win, but it took three tries, I don't see MM:FR doing it, specifically because it didn't win any of the industry awards (as opposed to critics awards). It seems to be between Spotlight, The Big Short and The Revenant. The latter just came out here, not sure I'll be able to see it before Sunday, but between the other two I'm very much rooting for Spotlight.

I don't reeeeeally think MM:FR can take it, I just love the movie too much to completely disregard that option.
Spotlight taking it I would support. It would be second one in a row to have Keaton starring (Reventant would be second one in row by same director). Interesting in both cases  :P.
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Post by: Jorbles on February 25, 2016, 06:18:23 pm
Now, Big Short actually disappointed me. The whole movie is so confusing and disjointed, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's basically 3 stories that are not connected in any way except that all 3 of them deal with shorting the stocks. Narative is also all over the place, it is interjected by these wierd slidehows, by characters breaking 3rd wall, and this explanations of the whole shebang, CDOs, AAA properties, etc. And that is the worst part, I think they've tried to explain the whole deal to me like 5 times all together, and the whole time I was still struggling to get it, and by the end I both still didn't understnad most of it, and didn't care at all.
Steve Carrell is fucking great and that is about the only good thing I  can say. Bale getting the nomination and not him is an error for sure.

I liked The Big Short, but instead of the smarmy cynical explanations from celebrities, I would recommend that anyone who is actually interested in what happened during the financial crisis and wants it explained by a movie should watch The Inside Job. It's a documentary, but it's very well done, covers a lot of the same ground as The Big Short, but without trying to wrap a Hollywood bow on the whole thing. To be honest I actually liked The Big Short even though I felt that most of the characters in the movie were at best amoral. I had trouble rooting for anyone in the movie except for Steve Carrell who I wish they'd focused on more. The rest of the characters were just smart guys who saw an opportunity to make some money, they weren't heroes. That said I admired that they were trying to make a movie about the subject even if it ended up feeling like a mess at the end.

I haven't seen all the nominees just Mad Max, Room and Big Short, but Mad Max and Room were both great I'd be happy if either of them won. Brie Larson should probably win for Best Actress. I didn't watch the Revenant because honestly I just don't like watching Leonardo Di Caprio. I find him completely unlikeable and haven't liked a movie he's been in since Inception (and I don't really credit that to his performance). I've seen so many movies he's been in and he always seems so humourless. I don't really get why people like his movies so much.
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Post by: Asper on February 25, 2016, 07:46:13 pm
Kind of related, i recently read A Clockwork Orange, and it gave me the weird feeling that many things the movie left out were left out for the better. Although i admit i didn't originally understand all that happened (especially in the second part, where he's "cured"), so he extra clarity was good. Also, it's interesting how the book kind of remotes yourself from the ultra-violence by using nadsat (the fictional youth slang), while the movie does so by using classical music. Other than that, they were really close. A few things are made more acceptable in the movie, like raising the age of the girls he invites home and makes drunk, or a few scenes missing. The only thing i don't get about the movie is the use of the song "Singing in the Rain". While the book is timeless by simply inventing a time, the movie uses this specific song. Weirdly enough, the book also has something in common with a favourite of mine, "Crime and Punishment" - it has a much-too-positive last chapter that changes things around in a way i didn't like (artistically speaking). In Clockwork, it's Alex growing tired of his violent ways and growing up, which the movie (again for the better) leaves out. It's much more threatening this way. Still, i liked the book. It's just not that much new to learn from reading it.

Also, just watched "Soylent Green" for the first time, and was underwhelmed. Especially after hearing about what the book amounts to, it felt too mild.
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Post by: Teproc on February 25, 2016, 08:29:29 pm
What annoys me with The Big Short is reading reviews of people saying they still don't get exactly what the financial crisis was all about.

First of all, it's really problematic that anyone didn't know already. I mean, we've been over this. In 2008/2009, the press was full of explainers about it.

More importantly though : the basics of it aren't THAT hard to grasp, and the film freaking explains everything not once, not twice, but three times ! I thought McKay was completely overdoing it, but it appears I underestimated people's willingness to pay attention to something they don't have an natural interest in for over five seconds.

Also Christian Bale s pretty awful and the camerawork is all over the place. I like the film fine overall, but it's my least favorite of the ones I've seen so far.
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Post by: Grujah on February 25, 2016, 09:05:36 pm
Also Christian Bale s pretty awful and the camerawork is all over the place. I like the film fine overall, but it's my least favorite of the ones I've seen so far.

I agree that Bale wasn't good.

But man, I just don't get it. Ok, maybe it has to do with the fact that I don't live in USA, use 100% cash only and have almost never even been in a bank. I don't really know what a bond is. And yes, they did too much of the explaining, yet, I still dont get it completely. It's just completely nowhere near my alley.
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Post by: yuma on February 25, 2016, 10:15:58 pm
EDIT: In other news, looks like someone else has pretty accurately described how I feel about Disney's The Little Mermaid (for the record, the original story is my favorite fairy tale).

On a whim I bought Ponyo, a Hayao Miyazaki film based on the Little Mermaid tale, for my daughter and she and I completely loved it. Completely and totally bizarre and wonderful. It doesn't completely follow the fairy tale either, but I think is much better than the Disney version (although technically I think Ponyo was distributed by Disney).
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Post by: A Drowned Kernel on February 25, 2016, 11:18:46 pm
It doesn't completely follow the fairy tale

I love Ponyo but this is something of an understatement.
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Post by: LastFootnote on February 26, 2016, 12:01:19 am
I think Ponyo was pretty underwhelming, as Miyazaki movies go. I have no desire to own it at this time.

I hope Porco Rosso will someday be sold for a reasonable price, but it's not looking promising.
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Post by: yuma on February 26, 2016, 07:35:37 am
I think Ponyo was pretty underwhelming, as Miyazaki movies go. I have no desire to own it at this time.

Truth be told this was the first Miyazaki movie I had seen and still the only one I have seen. I should probably remedy that at some point as I know many love his movies... Maybe the next time I see one in the $5 bin.
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Post by: ashersky on February 26, 2016, 03:14:32 pm
I think Ponyo was pretty underwhelming, as Miyazaki movies go. I have no desire to own it at this time.

Truth be told this was the first Miyazaki movie I had seen and still the only one I have seen. I should probably remedy that at some point as I know many love his movies... Maybe the next time I see one in the $5 bin.

Princess Mononoke is my absolute favorite, but buy My Neighbor Totoro today and watch it a million times with your daughter.  She'll relate to Mei now, then Satsuki when she's older.
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Post by: Awaclus on February 26, 2016, 03:18:13 pm
I think Ponyo was pretty underwhelming, as Miyazaki movies go. I have no desire to own it at this time.

Truth be told this was the first Miyazaki movie I had seen and still the only one I have seen. I should probably remedy that at some point as I know many love his movies... Maybe the next time I see one in the $5 bin.

Princess Mononoke is my absolute favorite, but buy My Neighbor Totoro today and watch it a million times with your daughter.  She'll relate to Mei now, then Satsuki when she's older.

And when she's old enough to go on the Internet, she'll find out about the Sayama incident and it will blow her mind.

Princess Mononoke is super good though.
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Post by: Jorbles on February 26, 2016, 03:54:26 pm
I can see the death theory about Totoro (though I don't see the connection to the grisly Sayama Incident, this was the first I'd heard about the two connecting).

The death theory being that both girls die at some point in the movie and Totoro is actually some sort of death god, and that the Cat Bus takes their ghosts to the afterlife/heaven.

Studio Ghibli has apparently debunked the death theory so I doubt the Sayama Incident theory holds more water.  (http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/02/studio-ghibli-producer-kills-theory-of-death-subtext-in-my-neighbor-totoro/)
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Post by: Awaclus on February 26, 2016, 04:13:53 pm
Studio Ghibli has apparently debunked the death theory so I doubt the Sayama Incident theory holds more water.  (http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/02/studio-ghibli-producer-kills-theory-of-death-subtext-in-my-neighbor-totoro/)

Death of the author, especially when it's about the studio's mascot character representing a god of death.
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Post by: Awaclus on March 02, 2016, 09:39:54 am
I watched The Tunnel yesterday. It wasn't as substantial as some of the other horror movies I've liked a lot recently, but it was certainly one of the scariest, and not in a particularly cheap way either.
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Post by: Asper on March 02, 2016, 10:25:48 am
I think Ponyo was pretty underwhelming, as Miyazaki movies go. I have no desire to own it at this time.

Truth be told this was the first Miyazaki movie I had seen and still the only one I have seen. I should probably remedy that at some point as I know many love his movies... Maybe the next time I see one in the $5 bin.

Princess Mononoke is my absolute favorite, but buy My Neighbor Totoro today and watch it a million times with your daughter.  She'll relate to Mei now, then Satsuki when she's older.

And when she's old enough to go on the Internet, she'll find out about the Sayama incident and it will blow her mind.

Princess Mononoke is super good though.

I bet there's not a single country on earth where no child was murdered in the last five years. If i make a movie where a child gets lost, is it automatically about the most recent incident in my country?

Actual murder-in-Japan-influences-pop-culture-story: The japanese edition of the video game Crash Bandicoot 2 lacks a death animation where, when the titular character is crushed by a pillar, he gets reduced to his head and shoes. It was removed for the japanese release, as, at that time, Japan had a serial killer who used to leave his victim's heads behind next to their shoes.

The difference between those stories: One's confirmed and makes sense, the other's denied and thrives only of a similarity which is remarkably likely to happen randomly.
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Post by: Awaclus on March 02, 2016, 11:31:26 am
One's confirmed
the other's denied

Death of the author, especially when it's about the studio's mascot character representing a god of death.


thrives only of a similarity which is remarkably likely to happen randomly

The two sisters are named May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mei_(given_name)) and May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuki), respectively. The Shichikokuyama location in the movie is based on Hachikokuyama, which actually exists and is one of the Sayama Hills. I shouldn't even have to state that the movie is also full of what is pretty undeniably death related symbolism (aside from the missing shadows which could have been missing for animation reasons), and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense in the context of the Sayama incident. Sure, it wouldn't be unreasonably likely to happen randomly, but the movie wasn't generated randomly, it was created by people who made these decisions consciously.
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Post by: Teproc on March 02, 2016, 12:25:22 pm
There's no right way to read a movie (or any piece of art), regardless of what the author intended. It's an interesting theory, and it sounds like it works on paper, but I don't see it at all when I watch it.
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Post by: Asper on March 02, 2016, 02:51:00 pm
One's confirmed
the other's denied

Death of the author, especially when it's about the studio's mascot character representing a god of death.


thrives only of a similarity which is remarkably likely to happen randomly

The two sisters are named May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mei_(given_name)) and May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuki), respectively. The Shichikokuyama location in the movie is based on Hachikokuyama, which actually exists and is one of the Sayama Hills. I shouldn't even have to state that the movie is also full of what is pretty undeniably death related symbolism (aside from the missing shadows which could have been missing for animation reasons), and from that point of view, it makes perfect sense in the context of the Sayama incident. Sure, it wouldn't be unreasonably likely to happen randomly, but the movie wasn't generated randomly, it was created by people who made these decisions consciously.

Please, tell me more about why Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord. Creating a theory that fits given facts is an easy task. I could make up an alternate interpretation ifor any given movie in half an hour. It requires only the tiniest bit of creativity. All you have to do is find reasons why your interpretation doesn't contradict things that happen. Hey, part of the movie is just a dream. Uh, how you see that? Um, uh, because character/symbol/place X does(n't ) appear in the section, and because person/culture Y regarded X as a symbol for Z, its absence/presence implies it's not reality. Person W who worked on the movie was a fan of Y, so it's likely they did it on purpose.

I could make up a story about how Spirited Away is actually about the Witch dying (getting "spirited away"), and Chihiro is actually Death, and No-face is whatever other entity i can fit in, and the name stuff represents severing ties with the living (Chihiro remembers hers because she's not living), or it represents Alzheimer's, and the bathing represents washing sins away, and the creatures represent slowly going to heaven, or a delirium, and the other witch represents the other self she has to accept, and she herself actually stands for a relative/friend/pen pal of producer/director/artist Whatshisname, who died during the production of the movie. He/she had to hide the hints carefully, which is why it's denied by the studio today, yadda yadda.... I'm making this up on the spot, and it's garbage. Whenever someone tells me why it's wrong, i can change it a bit, until noone finds anything anymore. That's when we arrive at "It's about the Sayama incident." It's not about the Sayama incident.
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Post by: Awaclus on March 02, 2016, 03:22:41 pm
Please, tell me more about why Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord. Creating a theory that fits given facts is an easy task. I could make up an alternate interpretation ifor any given movie in half an hour. It requires only the tiniest bit of creativity. All you have to do is find reasons why your interpretation doesn't contradict things that happen. Hey, part of the movie is just a dream. Uh, how you see that? Um, uh, because character/symbol/place X does(n't ) appear in the section, and because person/culture Y regarded X as a symbol for Z, its absence/presence implies it's not reality. Person W who worked on the movie was a fan of Y, so it's likely they did it on purpose.

I could make up a story about how Spirited Away is actually about the Witch dying (getting "spirited away"), and Chihiro is actually Death, and No-face is whatever other entity i can fit in, and the name stuff represents severing ties with the living (Chihiro remembers hers because she's not living), or it represents Alzheimer's, and the bathing represents washing sins away, and the creatures represent slowly going to heaven, or a delirium, and the other witch represents the other self she has to accept, and she herself actually stands for a relative/friend/pen pal of producer/director/artist Whatshisname, who died during the production of the movie. He/she had to hide the hints carefully, which is why it's denied by the studio today, yadda yadda.... I'm making this up on the spot, and it's garbage. Whenever someone tells me why it's wrong, i can change it a bit, until noone finds anything anymore. That's when we arrive at "It's about the Sayama incident." It's not about the Sayama incident.

That's a straw man argument. There is nothing about the canon of Spirited Away that hints towards it being about the Sayama incident (actually, it's about prostitution). There are several connections to the Sayama incident in the canon of My Neighbor Totoro.

Besides, why do you keep caring about what the studio does or doesn't deny? It doesn't matter unless they include that statement as a part of the actual movie.
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Post by: Asper on March 03, 2016, 09:54:15 am
Please, tell me more about why Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord. Creating a theory that fits given facts is an easy task. I could make up an alternate interpretation ifor any given movie in half an hour. It requires only the tiniest bit of creativity. All you have to do is find reasons why your interpretation doesn't contradict things that happen. Hey, part of the movie is just a dream. Uh, how you see that? Um, uh, because character/symbol/place X does(n't ) appear in the section, and because person/culture Y regarded X as a symbol for Z, its absence/presence implies it's not reality. Person W who worked on the movie was a fan of Y, so it's likely they did it on purpose.

I could make up a story about how Spirited Away is actually about the Witch dying (getting "spirited away"), and Chihiro is actually Death, and No-face is whatever other entity i can fit in, and the name stuff represents severing ties with the living (Chihiro remembers hers because she's not living), or it represents Alzheimer's, and the bathing represents washing sins away, and the creatures represent slowly going to heaven, or a delirium, and the other witch represents the other self she has to accept, and she herself actually stands for a relative/friend/pen pal of producer/director/artist Whatshisname, who died during the production of the movie. He/she had to hide the hints carefully, which is why it's denied by the studio today, yadda yadda.... I'm making this up on the spot, and it's garbage. Whenever someone tells me why it's wrong, i can change it a bit, until noone finds anything anymore. That's when we arrive at "It's about the Sayama incident." It's not about the Sayama incident.

That's a straw man argument. There is nothing about the canon of Spirited Away that hints towards it being about the Sayama incident (actually, it's about prostitution). There are several connections to the Sayama incident in the canon of My Neighbor Totoro.

Besides, why do you keep caring about what the studio does or doesn't deny? It doesn't matter unless they include that statement as a part of the actual movie.

How is it a straw man argument?
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Post by: Awaclus on March 03, 2016, 10:09:47 am
Please, tell me more about why Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord. Creating a theory that fits given facts is an easy task. I could make up an alternate interpretation ifor any given movie in half an hour. It requires only the tiniest bit of creativity. All you have to do is find reasons why your interpretation doesn't contradict things that happen. Hey, part of the movie is just a dream. Uh, how you see that? Um, uh, because character/symbol/place X does(n't ) appear in the section, and because person/culture Y regarded X as a symbol for Z, its absence/presence implies it's not reality. Person W who worked on the movie was a fan of Y, so it's likely they did it on purpose.

I could make up a story about how Spirited Away is actually about the Witch dying (getting "spirited away"), and Chihiro is actually Death, and No-face is whatever other entity i can fit in, and the name stuff represents severing ties with the living (Chihiro remembers hers because she's not living), or it represents Alzheimer's, and the bathing represents washing sins away, and the creatures represent slowly going to heaven, or a delirium, and the other witch represents the other self she has to accept, and she herself actually stands for a relative/friend/pen pal of producer/director/artist Whatshisname, who died during the production of the movie. He/she had to hide the hints carefully, which is why it's denied by the studio today, yadda yadda.... I'm making this up on the spot, and it's garbage. Whenever someone tells me why it's wrong, i can change it a bit, until noone finds anything anymore. That's when we arrive at "It's about the Sayama incident." It's not about the Sayama incident.

That's a straw man argument. There is nothing about the canon of Spirited Away that hints towards it being about the Sayama incident (actually, it's about prostitution). There are several connections to the Sayama incident in the canon of My Neighbor Totoro.

Besides, why do you keep caring about what the studio does or doesn't deny? It doesn't matter unless they include that statement as a part of the actual movie.

How is it a straw man argument?

Because your argument consists of showing how Spirited Away is not about the Sayama incident, and I never said that it was.
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Post by: yuma on March 03, 2016, 01:08:47 pm
Man. You guys are really making me want to watch My Neighbor Toroto. I mean... this is like what I look for in a movie...
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Post by: Witherweaver on March 03, 2016, 01:24:16 pm
Man. You guys are really making me want to watch My Neighbor Toroto. I mean... this is like what I look for in a movie...

Watch it; it is enjoyable. 
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Post by: Teproc on March 03, 2016, 01:27:28 pm
Man. You guys are really making me want to watch My Neighbor Toroto. I mean... this is like what I look for in a movie...

The whole "they were dead all the time" thing ?

You might be disappointed then. You might see it if you're looking for it, but otherwise it's as light as it gets. It's also great, like really great and my favorite Miyazaki, but going into it with expectations of watching a movie about death might not work out so well. If you've seen Grave of the Fireflies, Totoro is basically the reverse side of that coin.

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Post by: Jorbles on March 03, 2016, 02:44:35 pm
Man. You guys are really making me want to watch My Neighbor Toroto. I mean... this is like what I look for in a movie...

The whole "they were dead all the time" thing ?

You might be disappointed then. You might see it if you're looking for it, but otherwise it's as light as it gets. It's also great, like really great and my favorite Miyazaki, but going into it with expectations of watching a movie about death might not work out so well. If you've seen Grave of the Fireflies, Totoro is basically the reverse side of that coin.



Yeah, despite Awaclus's assertions, I really don't think the ties to death that can be read into it really matter as it doesn't seem to be trying to be a movie about death (or at least not in that regard). It's fun, and it's about children dealing with difficult issues (like moving and parental illness). I've always thought of it as a movie that tries to explain how children are effected by difficult transitions in life and it's also just beautiful and has some amazing moments of imagination.
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Post by: Teproc on March 03, 2016, 02:59:32 pm
I would go broader and say it's about childhood. In a sense, My Neighbour Totoro is about childhood in peaceful times (with some menace and incertainty looming, but mostly focused on the wonders of childhood), while Grave of the Fireflies is about childhood in war times (with some of that same sense of wonder intact and present amidst the tragedy). That Ghibli released those two films in the same year is amazing to me, and I'd recommend to anyone who liked one to see the other.
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Post by: Jorbles on March 03, 2016, 03:48:09 pm
I would go broader and say it's about childhood. In a sense, My Neighbour Totoro is about childhood in peaceful times (with some menace and incertainty looming, but mostly focused on the wonders of childhood), while Grave of the Fireflies is about childhood in war times (with some of that same sense of wonder intact and present amidst the tragedy). That Ghibli released those two films in the same year is amazing to me, and I'd recommend to anyone who liked one to see the other.

I had never considered the two movies as a pair like that, but you're right! Further on that Totoro feels fun and uplifting, wheres Fireflies feels depressing and tragic.
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Post by: Teproc on March 03, 2016, 05:21:16 pm
Yes, I guess I failed to mention that because I forget everyone isn't super familiar with Ghibli (they should !), but they are ostensibly very much opposites in that way (hence the "two sides of the same coin" analogy"). Fireflies is among the saddest movies ever (not an exaggeration), while Totoro is joyful and sweet.
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Post by: Asper on March 03, 2016, 05:56:28 pm
Please, tell me more about why Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord. Creating a theory that fits given facts is an easy task. I could make up an alternate interpretation ifor any given movie in half an hour. It requires only the tiniest bit of creativity. All you have to do is find reasons why your interpretation doesn't contradict things that happen. Hey, part of the movie is just a dream. Uh, how you see that? Um, uh, because character/symbol/place X does(n't ) appear in the section, and because person/culture Y regarded X as a symbol for Z, its absence/presence implies it's not reality. Person W who worked on the movie was a fan of Y, so it's likely they did it on purpose.

I could make up a story about how Spirited Away is actually about the Witch dying (getting "spirited away"), and Chihiro is actually Death, and No-face is whatever other entity i can fit in, and the name stuff represents severing ties with the living (Chihiro remembers hers because she's not living), or it represents Alzheimer's, and the bathing represents washing sins away, and the creatures represent slowly going to heaven, or a delirium, and the other witch represents the other self she has to accept, and she herself actually stands for a relative/friend/pen pal of producer/director/artist Whatshisname, who died during the production of the movie. He/she had to hide the hints carefully, which is why it's denied by the studio today, yadda yadda.... I'm making this up on the spot, and it's garbage. Whenever someone tells me why it's wrong, i can change it a bit, until noone finds anything anymore. That's when we arrive at "It's about the Sayama incident." It's not about the Sayama incident.

That's a straw man argument. There is nothing about the canon of Spirited Away that hints towards it being about the Sayama incident (actually, it's about prostitution). There are several connections to the Sayama incident in the canon of My Neighbor Totoro.

Besides, why do you keep caring about what the studio does or doesn't deny? It doesn't matter unless they include that statement as a part of the actual movie.

How is it a straw man argument?

Because your argument consists of showing how Spirited Away is not about the Sayama incident, and I never said that it was.

My argument consists of showing how trivial it is to make up a "plausible" conspiracy theory about a movie even if it holds no water at all. Claiming i did something else is, however, a strawman argument.
Edit: I can see now why you thougt my post was meant that way. I mean, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, which i probably shouldn't do, but in case you actually read something different than what i meant out of it, no, that wasn't what my post was about. I was just making up nonsensical claims about another movie to show how easy it is to do stuff like that. The fact that there's an alternate interpretation that fits a few elements of a story means nothing. I can make up such a story any time, for any movie, and each time someone points out a mistake, i change a little detail, until arriving at a rather compelling, but still arbitrary and useless "truth behind the story". Claiming the Sayama incident is reflected in Totoro is such a bit, and it has no credibility only because someone found a few details that appear to match. Give me a little time and a blog and i can make people believe Spirited Away is about the Witches death, as you apparently were made to believe Totoro was about the Sayama incident.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 03, 2016, 06:51:02 pm
My argument consists of showing how trivial it is to make up a "plausible" conspiracy theory about a movie even if it holds no water at all. Claiming i did something else is, however, a strawman argument.
Edit: I can see now why you thougt my post was meant that way. I mean, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, which i probably shouldn't do, but in case you actually read something different than what i meant out of it, no, that wasn't what my post was about. I was just making up nonsensical claims about another movie to show how easy it is to do stuff like that. The fact that there's an alternate interpretation that fits a few elements of a story means nothing. I can make up such a story any time, for any movie, and each time someone points out a mistake, i change a little detail, until arriving at a rather compelling, but still arbitrary and useless "truth behind the story". Claiming the Sayama incident is reflected in Totoro is such a bit, and it has no credibility only because someone found a few details that appear to match. Give me a little time and a blog and i can make people believe Spirited Away is about the Witches death, as you apparently were made to believe Totoro was about the Sayama incident.

It's irrelevant to show how trivial it is to make up a "plausible" conspiracy theory about a movie even if it holds no water at all. That's like having the premise that it's trivial to make a bad electro house song (which is demonstrably true) and, based on that alone, concluding that Animals must be a bad song. In other words, it doesn't make any sense at all.

You can't make people believe anything about a piece of art. There is nothing to believe, because it's not something that might or might not be objectively true. Your own personal experience and viewpoint changes what the piece of art means to you, and to someone else, it means something different. You could probably make some people decide that Spirited Away is about the Witches death though, and then, for those people, it would be.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on March 04, 2016, 05:46:52 am
My argument consists of showing how trivial it is to make up a "plausible" conspiracy theory about a movie even if it holds no water at all. Claiming i did something else is, however, a strawman argument.
Edit: I can see now why you thougt my post was meant that way. I mean, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, which i probably shouldn't do, but in case you actually read something different than what i meant out of it, no, that wasn't what my post was about. I was just making up nonsensical claims about another movie to show how easy it is to do stuff like that. The fact that there's an alternate interpretation that fits a few elements of a story means nothing. I can make up such a story any time, for any movie, and each time someone points out a mistake, i change a little detail, until arriving at a rather compelling, but still arbitrary and useless "truth behind the story". Claiming the Sayama incident is reflected in Totoro is such a bit, and it has no credibility only because someone found a few details that appear to match. Give me a little time and a blog and i can make people believe Spirited Away is about the Witches death, as you apparently were made to believe Totoro was about the Sayama incident.

It's irrelevant to show how trivial it is to make up a "plausible" conspiracy theory about a movie even if it holds no water at all. That's like having the premise that it's trivial to make a bad electro house song (which is demonstrably true) and, based on that alone, concluding that Animals must be a bad song. In other words, it doesn't make any sense at all.

You can't make people believe anything about a piece of art. There is nothing to believe, because it's not something that might or might not be objectively true. Your own personal experience and viewpoint changes what the piece of art means to you, and to someone else, it means something different. You could probably make some people decide that Spirited Away is about the Witches death though, and then, for those people, it would be.

It's you who makes no sense, and deliberately, as usual. If you go around telling people that learning about the Sayama incident would "blow their mind" if they watched Totoro before, you're implying the Sayama incident has some significance or connection to the movie. It doesn't. Your headcanon is not a measure for the outside world or other people, no matter how clever you think it is. It certainly won't blow someone's mind. Some people might come to the conclusion it makes sense, but the expression you used states a big reveal, a truth that will change everything. Just your story is neither a truth, nor a reveal, nor is it changing anything. It's just headcanon. It's not like you said "A popular theory is that..." or "The movie has some similarities with...". You said "It's about the Sayama incident." and "It'll blow her mind". You are selling your arbitrary opinion as an objective truth. As usual.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 04, 2016, 06:01:23 am
It's you who makes no sense, and deliberately, as usual. If you go around telling people that learning about the Sayama incident would "blow their mind" if they watched Totoro before, you're implying the Sayama incident has some significance or connection to the movie. It doesn't. Your headcanon is not a measure for the outside world or other people, no matter how clever you think it is. It certainly won't blow someone's mind. Some people might come to the conclusion it makes sense, but the expression you used states a big reveal, a truth that will change everything. Just your story is neither a truth, nor a reveal, nor is it changing anything. It's just headcanon. It's not like you said "A popular theory is that..." or "The movie has some similarities with...". You said "It's about the Sayama incident." and "It'll blow her mind". You are selling your arbitrary opinion as an objective truth. As usual.

It is the objective truth that it's about the Sayama incident [for some people]. I think it should be pretty clear that I didn't mean that knowing about the Sayama incident will literally make her head explode.

I really don't know why you're so butthurt about this. It's just a movie, and not even one of the greatest movies ever made or anything.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Asper on March 04, 2016, 08:01:37 am
It's you who makes no sense, and deliberately, as usual. If you go around telling people that learning about the Sayama incident would "blow their mind" if they watched Totoro before, you're implying the Sayama incident has some significance or connection to the movie. It doesn't. Your headcanon is not a measure for the outside world or other people, no matter how clever you think it is. It certainly won't blow someone's mind. Some people might come to the conclusion it makes sense, but the expression you used states a big reveal, a truth that will change everything. Just your story is neither a truth, nor a reveal, nor is it changing anything. It's just headcanon. It's not like you said "A popular theory is that..." or "The movie has some similarities with...". You said "It's about the Sayama incident." and "It'll blow her mind". You are selling your arbitrary opinion as an objective truth. As usual.

It is the objective truth that it's about the Sayama incident [for some people]. I think it should be pretty clear that I didn't mean that knowing about the Sayama incident will literally make her head explode.

I really don't know why you're so butthurt about this. It's just a movie, and not even one of the greatest movies ever made or anything.

It's not about Totoro. Every third thread on this forum has a post of you stating some opinion of yours as if it was objective truth, often at the expense and ridicule of people who try to have an actual discussion. Your opinions are opinions, and you are not clever for claiming they were facts. You are also not clever for deliberately misunderstanding the meaning of "objectively" and "blow s.o.'s mind" for the sake of convincing yourself that you were right after all.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 04, 2016, 08:04:58 am
It's not about Totoro. Every third thread on this forum has a post of you stating some opinion of yours as if it was objective truth, often at the expense and ridicule of people who try to have an actual discussion. Your opinions are opinions, and you are not clever for claiming they were facts. You are also not clever for deliberately misunderstanding the meaning of "objectively" and "blow s.o.'s mind" for the sake of convincing yourself that you were right after all.

That's just you stating your subjective opinion as if it was objective truth.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: yuma on March 04, 2016, 08:10:57 am
Asper, These two quotes help me in times like this.

So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.

and oh fuck it why do I even bother talking this is just going to get a pointless response to lead to more pointlessness.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 04, 2016, 09:18:15 am
Branching off, there is such a thing as 'correct' vs. 'incorrect' interpretations of a piece of art, in the sense of 'validly supported' or 'invalidly supported'.  I remember one of my literature teachers in college was telling us about someone's interpretation of Great Gatsby's 'obviously masturbatory ending'.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on March 05, 2016, 03:29:16 am
I just read the Wikipedia article on the Sayama incident.  I've probably seen Totoro a hundred times and the only "connection" I can find is the setting of a rural area.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 10, 2016, 04:16:02 am
I just watched Livid. It was a very good looking film and it did have some legitimately scary moments during the first half, but unfortunately, the writing was completely awful. This excerpt from the Wikipedia article pretty much summarizes the entire film: "[character] finds himself in an operating room with no door and no idea how he got there. He is killed by veiled ballerinas who appear out of nowhere". Stuff just happens out of nowhere and you never have any idea how or why anything happens. And then it kind of just tries to hide that by appearing as though it was one of those more experimental movies that are super ambiguous on purpose (which, as a reminder, I am a massive fan of), but really, Livid was more like arbitrary than ambiguous. I was literally just laughing for the majority of the latter half of the film, even (and especially, considering how ridiculous some of those scenes were) when major characters were getting brutally killed, and that was not exactly the kind of mood I was hoping for when I chose to watch a horror movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2016, 11:22:32 am
I was just completely blown away by Exhibit A. Be it known that I'm a huge fan of films with imaginative visuals, incredible "only in fiction" plot developments and a good amount of ambiguity and room for different interpretations, and Exhibit A, being a found footage family drama film, is exactly the kind of movie that I'm not so inclined to be a huge fan of. Despite this, I super loved it.

I would recommend it to everyone even if you're (like me) not a fan of the genre and style because it's just so good, but not without a word of caution: it is unbelievably disturbing and painful to watch at times.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2016, 06:26:30 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 15, 2016, 06:41:59 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

Nobody puts baby in the corner? Forrrr some reason?

Honestly it's one of those weird movies that I've seen all of, but never in one sitting. It constantly seems to be on TV, I would be over at people's houses when they were watching it, but I would leave and do something else part way through it or they'd have already started it when I got there or turn it off part way through. I can see the appeal I guess, but it's not for me?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on March 15, 2016, 07:26:11 pm
I watched The Birds by Alfred Hitchcock today. This will sound completely loony, but I think of it like a well made Michael Bay film. There's not much of a story, not much of a resolution. Just pure suspense, thrills, and action. There's even a Michael Bay explosion at one point. I laughed my head off when that happened. This movie did not age well at all, but I still liked it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: yuma on March 15, 2016, 07:37:00 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

I liked it. But I tend to like "chick flicks" as fluffy content plus I felt that this one went a bit deeper into social morales than most do.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: DG on March 15, 2016, 08:33:11 pm
Here is a real movie buff question. Has anyone got a link to the original "Backstroke of the West", not the more recent "Backstroke of the West: The Third Gathers"? Search engines are full of results for the latter so I can't track down the original.

For those who don't know, "Backstroke of the West" was a very famous US film, illegally dubbed into a Chinese version for Chinese cinema, and then given English subtitles (and the new name) based on the Chinese. See if you can guess the original name.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 15, 2016, 10:46:05 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

Not sure I like you that way.  Thanks though.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on March 16, 2016, 07:52:34 am
Here is a real movie buff question. Has anyone got a link to the original "Backstroke of the West", not the more recent "Backstroke of the West: The Third Gathers"? Search engines are full of results for the latter so I can't track down the original.

For those who don't know, "Backstroke of the West" was a very famous US film, illegally dubbed into a Chinese version for Chinese cinema, and then given English subtitles (and the new name) based on the Chinese. See if you can guess the original name.

You mean George Lucas's ill-fated 6th directed disaster?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Kuildeous on March 16, 2016, 08:56:59 am
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

That movie used to be on HBO all the time, and I watched a lot of HBO growing up, so I got my fill of this movie.

It's not your typical '80s romance fluff. It has some interesting looks at affluent white society. Baby represents the sheltered child who learns about adulthood rather quickly by ingratiating herself in a struggling class. The abortion scene really showcases this disparity. Baby just blithely assumes that it can be fixed, while the staff members are suffering from the result of a cheap, unethical doctor.

The ending is unfortunately typical fluff. Love conquers all and all that jazz. I like how Family Guy pokes fun at this by showing a more realistic version. I don't know a father who would allow a man to talk back to him about his teenaged daughter. The movie does a pretty good job of chronicling her evolution from being naïve and innocent to confident and strong, but it fell flat with the father. It could have been a story about him evolving from stuffy and stodgy to understanding and accepting, but they pushed it too far, and he just comes off as demure.

But you know, pretty good movie actually. And it holds up well over time. The music is anachronistic, but that isn't a horrible thing.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 09:07:57 am
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

That movie used to be on HBO all the time, and I watched a lot of HBO growing up, so I got my fill of this movie.

It's not your typical '80s romance fluff. It has some interesting looks at affluent white society. Baby represents the sheltered child who learns about adulthood rather quickly by ingratiating herself in a struggling class. The abortion scene really showcases this disparity. Baby just blithely assumes that it can be fixed, while the staff members are suffering from the result of a cheap, unethical doctor.

The ending is unfortunately typical fluff. Love conquers all and all that jazz. I like how Family Guy pokes fun at this by showing a more realistic version. I don't know a father who would allow a man to talk back to him about his teenaged daughter. The movie does a pretty good job of chronicling her evolution from being naïve and innocent to confident and strong, but it fell flat with the father. It could have been a story about him evolving from stuffy and stodgy to understanding and accepting, but they pushed it too far, and he just comes off as demure.

But you know, pretty good movie actually. And it holds up well over time. The music is anachronistic, but that isn't a horrible thing.

Plus, if you learn how to do the move, it's a sure way to seal the deal when you take a girl back to your place.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 16, 2016, 09:13:00 am
Has anyone here seen Jisatsu Circle? I saw it today and it was a bit of a mindfuck, I will probably have to watch it a few more times in the future, but in the meantime, I thought I'd ask for others' opinions regarding it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 16, 2016, 03:58:37 pm
Here is a real movie buff question. Has anyone got a link to the original "Backstroke of the West", not the more recent "Backstroke of the West: The Third Gathers"? Search engines are full of results for the latter so I can't track down the original.

For those who don't know, "Backstroke of the West" was a very famous US film, illegally dubbed into a Chinese version for Chinese cinema, and then given English subtitles (and the new name) based on the Chinese. See if you can guess the original name.

I believe you are referring to "Revenge of the Sith". I saw clips from it once and it was spectacular. The scene where Vader pops out of his shackles and shouts "Do not want" is unrivaled in my memory as an accidental joke.

I didn't save any of the content when I originally saw it though (probably about 10 years ago now). I didn't know there was a new version, but no I don't know how to find the original. Good luck!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 16, 2016, 04:30:49 pm
This page (http://starwarsfans.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War_The_Third_Gathers:_The_Backstroke_of_the_West) seems to indicate that "The Third Gathers" tag on the title "Backstroke of the West" is actually the original version, just a longer more ?formal? title. So the versions you are finding are probably the original.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 04:32:04 pm
All your base are belong to us.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on March 16, 2016, 04:32:15 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

That movie used to be on HBO all the time, and I watched a lot of HBO growing up, so I got my fill of this movie.

It's not your typical '80s romance fluff. It has some interesting looks at affluent white society. Baby represents the sheltered child who learns about adulthood rather quickly by ingratiating herself in a struggling class. The abortion scene really showcases this disparity. Baby just blithely assumes that it can be fixed, while the staff members are suffering from the result of a cheap, unethical doctor.

The ending is unfortunately typical fluff. Love conquers all and all that jazz. I like how Family Guy pokes fun at this by showing a more realistic version. I don't know a father who would allow a man to talk back to him about his teenaged daughter. The movie does a pretty good job of chronicling her evolution from being naïve and innocent to confident and strong, but it fell flat with the father. It could have been a story about him evolving from stuffy and stodgy to understanding and accepting, but they pushed it too far, and he just comes off as demure.

But you know, pretty good movie actually. And it holds up well over time. The music is anachronistic, but that isn't a horrible thing.

Plus, if you learn how to do the move, it's a sure way to seal the deal when you take a girl back to your place.

Ryan Gosling/Emma Stone style.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Witherweaver on March 16, 2016, 04:33:04 pm
Thoughts on Dirty Dancing?

That movie used to be on HBO all the time, and I watched a lot of HBO growing up, so I got my fill of this movie.

It's not your typical '80s romance fluff. It has some interesting looks at affluent white society. Baby represents the sheltered child who learns about adulthood rather quickly by ingratiating herself in a struggling class. The abortion scene really showcases this disparity. Baby just blithely assumes that it can be fixed, while the staff members are suffering from the result of a cheap, unethical doctor.

The ending is unfortunately typical fluff. Love conquers all and all that jazz. I like how Family Guy pokes fun at this by showing a more realistic version. I don't know a father who would allow a man to talk back to him about his teenaged daughter. The movie does a pretty good job of chronicling her evolution from being naïve and innocent to confident and strong, but it fell flat with the father. It could have been a story about him evolving from stuffy and stodgy to understanding and accepting, but they pushed it too far, and he just comes off as demure.

But you know, pretty good movie actually. And it holds up well over time. The music is anachronistic, but that isn't a horrible thing.

Plus, if you learn how to do the move, it's a sure way to seal the deal when you take a girl back to your place.

Ryan Gosling/Emma Stone style.

I'm glad someone got the reference; I thought I was going to need to explain it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 16, 2016, 04:34:08 pm
All your base are belong to us.

Classic memes.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Seprix on March 16, 2016, 04:40:12 pm
All your base are belong to us.

You're on Newgrounds too?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: DG on March 16, 2016, 05:15:34 pm
This page (http://starwarsfans.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War_The_Third_Gathers:_The_Backstroke_of_the_West) seems to indicate that "The Third Gathers" tag on the title "Backstroke of the West" is actually the original version, just a longer more ?formal? title. So the versions you are finding are probably the original.

It's not immediately obvious, but "Backstroke of the West" is .... "The Empire Strikes Back". That was the original movie that was bootlegged, dubbed into Chinese, and subtitled back into English. The person who created/found/redubbed "The Third Gathers", Star Wars Episode III, must have known about the original and appended "Backstroke of the West". Unfortunately, that film clogs all the searches for the original.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 16, 2016, 08:05:18 pm
This page (http://starwarsfans.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War_The_Third_Gathers:_The_Backstroke_of_the_West) seems to indicate that "The Third Gathers" tag on the title "Backstroke of the West" is actually the original version, just a longer more ?formal? title. So the versions you are finding are probably the original.

It's not immediately obvious, but "Backstroke of the West" is .... "The Empire Strikes Back". That was the original movie that was bootlegged, dubbed into Chinese, and subtitled back into English. The person who created/found/redubbed "The Third Gathers", Star Wars Episode III, must have known about the original and appended "Backstroke of the West". Unfortunately, that film clogs all the searches for the original.

Are you sure that even exists? I've never heard of that and looking around on the internet seems to indicate that "Empire" wasn't ever called that, though I did find this (https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/2blycf/episode_iii_backstroke_of_the_west_where_can_i/cj6yyax), which makes me think you might be under the same assumption as InscrutableTed.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: DG on March 16, 2016, 08:41:52 pm
Are you sure that even exists? I've never heard of that and looking around on the internet seems to indicate that "Empire" wasn't ever called that, though I did find this (https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/2blycf/episode_iii_backstroke_of_the_west_where_can_i/cj6yyax), which makes me think you might be under the same assumption as InscrutableTed.

I did indeed watch the original, many years ago, long before Episode I was made let alone Episode III. I only found out that the Third Gathers existed by searching for the original a couple of weeks back. Although my memory loses details over the decades I instantly knew this one was different because it had good picture quality, dubbing back into English, I'd never seen Episode III before (in any version), and this contained a lot less swearing!
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on March 16, 2016, 08:57:15 pm
Yes, I guess I failed to mention that because I forget everyone isn't super familiar with Ghibli (they should !), but they are ostensibly very much opposites in that way (hence the "two sides of the same coin" analogy"). Fireflies is among the saddest movies ever (not an exaggeration), while Totoro is joyful and sweet.
If you are a Ghibli fan, have you seen When Marnie was There -- if so, what do you think?


I just saw Absentia. It was absolutely amazeballs, probably my favorite horror movie to date.
Gonna watch this now...
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on March 17, 2016, 12:39:20 am
I just saw Absentia. It was absolutely amazeballs, probably my favorite horror movie to date.
Gonna watch this now...

Okay. I really appreciate the 'we just will not explain, period' thing since I read the series of unfortunate events. it's refreshing compared to conventional storytelling and I've even experimented with it myself.

And... under a lot of aspects, this is a pretty good movie.

But at the same time... for a horror movie, it's not that scary, it's honestly mostly depressing and sad. I respect it, but I dunno if I like it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 17, 2016, 01:27:19 am
But at the same time... for a horror movie, it's not that scary, it's honestly mostly depressing and sad.

Well, that is pretty much true (although I think it does have some parts that are also scary to an extent), but I think it's fine for a horror movie to be just depressing and sad. Those are still negative emotions, after all.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: ashersky on March 17, 2016, 04:36:17 am
Yes, I guess I failed to mention that because I forget everyone isn't super familiar with Ghibli (they should !), but they are ostensibly very much opposites in that way (hence the "two sides of the same coin" analogy"). Fireflies is among the saddest movies ever (not an exaggeration), while Totoro is joyful and sweet.
If you are a Ghibli fan, have you seen When Marnie was There -- if so, what do you think?


I haven't seen that one.  Have you see The Tale of the Princess Kaguya?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Teproc on March 17, 2016, 05:58:18 am
Yes, I guess I failed to mention that because I forget everyone isn't super familiar with Ghibli (they should !), but they are ostensibly very much opposites in that way (hence the "two sides of the same coin" analogy"). Fireflies is among the saddest movies ever (not an exaggeration), while Totoro is joyful and sweet.
If you are a Ghibli fan, have you seen When Marnie was There -- if so, what do you think?

I have not. Really I've only seen half of their films because I'm waiting for a good boxset to come out so that I can buy that.

Would you recommend it ?
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: KingZog3 on March 17, 2016, 11:05:17 am
Zootopia is really good. I encourage people to see it. It made me laugh out loud more than once, which is more than Deadpool did.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: silverspawn on March 17, 2016, 11:12:29 am
Yes, I guess I failed to mention that because I forget everyone isn't super familiar with Ghibli (they should !), but they are ostensibly very much opposites in that way (hence the "two sides of the same coin" analogy"). Fireflies is among the saddest movies ever (not an exaggeration), while Totoro is joyful and sweet.
If you are a Ghibli fan, have you seen When Marnie was There -- if so, what do you think?
I haven't seen that one.  Have you see The Tale of the Princess Kaguya?
No, I'm a total noob when it comes to Ghibli, I've only seen this one movie. Probably going to watch more in the near future, though.

Would you recommend it ?
Again, I have no context of other Ghibli movies, but... yeah, I think so. It's difficult not to like, because it's so beautiful in terms of both art and story. It's also weird though... that's why I was interested to hear other opinions about it.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Awaclus on March 17, 2016, 11:15:35 am
It's difficult not to like, because it's so beautiful in terms of both art and story. It's also weird though... that's why I was interested to hear other opinions about it.

That's pretty much what you can expect of almost every Ghibli movie.
Title: Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
Post by: Jorbles on March 17, 2016, 01:15:49 pm
Are you sure that even exists? I've never heard of that and looking around on the internet seems to indicate that "Empire" wasn't ever called that, though I did find this (https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/2blycf/episode_iii_backstroke_of_the_west_where_can_i/cj6yyax), which makes me think you might be under the same assumption as InscrutableTed.

I did indeed watch the original, many years ago, long before Episode I was made let alone Episode III. I only found out that the Third Gathers existed by searching for the original a couple of weeks back. Although my memory loses details over the decades I instantly knew this one was different because it had good picture quality, dubbing back into English, I'd never seen Episode III before (in any version), and this contained a lot less swearing!