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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: Archetype on April 01, 2014, 11:03:07 pm
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Rainbow Mafia!
Signups:
1. mail-mi Red-aligned 2-shot Color Mixer. Lynched Day 4.
2. scott_pilgrim
3. sudgy
4. shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.
5. Nik
6. Voltaire Black-aligned 2-shot Vote Adder. Killed N2.
7. chairs
8. Ichimaru Gin Red-aligned 1-shot Demotivator. Lynched D2.
9. Witherweaver Black-aligned 2-shot Sharing Color Cop. Killed N2.
10. EgorK
11. Axxle
12. Jorbles Red-aligned 2-shot Color Cop. Lynched D3.
The basic Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) will be used, but loosely followed. Pay more attention to the rules in the following post.
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Games Rules:
- No mod lying whatsoever. This isn't one of those Bastard games.
- This game will have a Night Start
- Instead of playing until one faction wins, the game will last 4 game nights and 4 game days. At the end of those, all players check to see if their win condition(s) have been met.
- Players must fulfill ALL their win conditions to win.
- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
- Each player will have some sort of minor power role.
- Each night will have two phases and, so, two deadlines for action submissions - one halfway through the night and one at the end of the night. Actions that are due before the first deadline will be resolved and applied before going into the second night phase. Actions that are due before the second deadline will be resolved and applied before going into the day phase. Some actions can only be submitted before the first deadline and some can be submitted before either deadline. If you have a night action and your PM doesn't specify which deadline your action is due by, it can be submitted before either one. If you have a night action that can be submitted before either deadline, please let me know which one you'd like to have it resolved by if it's ambiguous.
- If a lynch hasn't been reached by deadline, whichever player has the most votes on them will be lynched. In case of a tie, the lynchee will be randomly determined.
- Since the games formation, it's been intended to be low commitment.
There will be 5 Day days and 48 Hour Nights. The game should hopefully be fast and fun for everyone!
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Color Mafia
- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
Mmm kay...
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Color Mafia
- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
Mmm kay...
That is not what I was meaning at all. Maybe Rainbow Mafia would be better.
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Color Mafia
- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
Mmm kay...
That is not what I was meaning at all. Maybe Rainbow Mafia would be better.
Ok, changed. I hope no one was offended, because that wasn't my intention. Very poor wording on my part.
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Color Mafia
- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
Mmm kay...
That is not what I was meaning at all. Maybe Rainbow Mafia would be better.
Ok, changed. I hope no one was offended, because that wasn't my intention. Very poor wording on my part.
Wasn't offended and I don't think anybody would be, just thought it was a funny "out of context quote" type of accident.
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Why's it gotta be black? :D
/tag for now, I want to keep my mafia-ing under control.
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So what if I'm in another Mafia game?
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alright, cool. /in
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I was offended by it.... But because you forgot the U in colour...
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Woo! This filled up a lot faster than I thought it would - awesome! Just 5 more spots!
Speaking of the number 5, that's the new Day deadline. There will be 5 Day days instead of 7. Once you combine them with the 48 hour nights you get 4 week-long phases that should make the game last roughly a month.
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To hopefully pull in three more
victims players, I added 2 more pieces of info I planned on saving for when PMs were sent out. One is something I sort of forgot to mention and isn't that big of a deal, but the second is pretty juicy. Check 'em out in OP #2!
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That's four people I haven't played with yet... ugh. Tempted.
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Hey, a new face! Welcome!
That's four people I haven't played with yet... ugh. Tempted.
I double dog dare you to /in!
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Teproc used mind control. You'll have to do better than that.
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Teproc used mind control. You'll have to do better than that.
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I think I need to say this in advance. Previously I only played either live or on irc, and only in Russian. Still I think this would be good practice for my English
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I think I need to say this in advance. Previously I only played either live or on irc, and only in Russian. Still I think this would be good practice for my English
That's alright with me! Just make sure you are familiar with the Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) and sign the Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0). Even then, BM games like these tend to be very different from normal Mafia games. So if you have any questions throughout the game/prior to it, feel free to private message me!
Teproc used mind control. You'll have to do better than that.
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The pressure is on now, Andrew. /in and we begin!
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Can you recap what "BM" means?
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Can you recap what "BM" means?
Bastard Mafia. Probably crazy roles and no guarantee of balance.
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Wth I'm in. I haven't played in a bit.
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I think I need to say this in advance. Previously I only played either live or on irc, and only in Russian. Still I think this would be good practice for my English
That's alright with me! Just make sure you are familiar with the Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) and sign the Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0). Even then, BM games like these tend to be very different from normal Mafia games. So if you have any questions throughout the game/prior to it, feel free to private message me!
Pledged. And I've in process of reading one of the games and mindlessly clicking links on MafiaScum wiki, through we tried most roles from there in our dorm games, just named differently
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Can you recap what "BM" means?
Bastard Mafia. Probably crazy roles and no guarantee of balance.
This.
Mafiascum Definition (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bastard_Mod)
For my BM games, there are crazy/weird/totally made-up roles that wouldn't be allowed in other games.
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I think I need to say this in advance. Previously I only played either live or on irc, and only in Russian. Still I think this would be good practice for my English
That's alright with me! Just make sure you are familiar with the Rules of Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) and sign the Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0). Even then, BM games like these tend to be very different from normal Mafia games. So if you have any questions throughout the game/prior to it, feel free to private message me!
Pledged. And I've in process of reading one of the games and mindlessly clicking links on MafiaScum wiki, through we tried most roles from there in our dorm games, just named differently
Actually, since you're new to FDS, I'd suggest joining one of the following games:
Innovation Inc. II (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10757.0) and Monsters University (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0) are both open for signups and will probably give you the same kind of game you've experienced in the past. If you want to play a game right away, then by all means stay in.
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Thread Locked.
Egor, let me know by private message whether you'd like to stay in or join one of the other games.
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All PMs are out! If you have any questions,please PM me. N0 will officially begin once everyone has /confirmed their PMs. However, if you want to, you can submit actions now.
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N0 - Phase One has officially begun. If you have night actions to submit during this time, get 'em in. Phase One will end on April 17th at 10:45 PM.
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Phase 2 has begun. Day 1 will start in 24 hours.
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QTs are confusing.
Day 1 Start!
Not Voting (12): mail-mi, scott_pilgrim, sudgy, shraeye, Nik, Voltaire, chairs, Ichimaru Gin, Witherweaver, EgorK, Axxle, and Jorbles
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 will end on April 23rd at 10:15 PM.
Thread Unlocked!
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vote: nik at night.
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Second!
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vote: mail-mi so he can get back to modding WOT.
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vote: mail-mi so he can get back to modding WOT.
vote: jorbles because he's talking about on going games. and because he voted me. and because his name starts with j. and because i like rvs.
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Vote:Shraeye for being a liar!
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vote: mail-mi so he can get back to modding WOT.
vote: jorbles because he's talking about on going games. and because he voted me. and because his name starts with j. and because i like rvs.
And because ofohwhoopsVote: mail-mi
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<b>vote: mail-mi</b>
Also vote: mail-mi in case this isn't the QT.
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So I'm guessing a lot of talking is going to go on in the various QTs. I have a hard time figuring out how this is going to go.
Any thoughts on claiming a role without the context of your color?
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vote: mailmi
Can we lynch him before he posts?
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vote: mailmi
Can we lynch him before he posts?
He already posted.
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Damn
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vote: mailmi
Can we lynch him before he posts?
:(
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So I'm guessing a lot of talking is going to go on in the various QTs. I have a hard time figuring out how this is going to go.
Any thoughts on claiming a role without the context of your color?
how many QTs do you have?
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So I'm guessing a lot of talking is going to go on in the various QTs. I have a hard time figuring out how this is going to go.
Any thoughts on claiming a role without the context of your color?
how many QTs do you have?
Not sure whether or not I should answer that. I am in one QT, possibly others. Things that were said in there indicated that some people are in more than one.
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vote: axxle
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So I assume there are 8 colors? (black is mentioned and 7 from rainbow)
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So I assume there are 8 colors? (black is mentioned and 7 from rainbow)
I have a hunch that this is not the case. Firstly, I think we have "teams" based on color. Twelve players, so if teams are 4 players there are 3 colors, 3 players there are 4 colors, 2 players there are 6. I tend to think the teams are of the same size or else one would probably have an advantage.
It's possible there is no "black" team. It seems weird to be randomly selected to die at the end of the game. So this leads me to a few possible ideas:
1) Maybe lynching turns people black. Maybe also some people have a "kill shot" that drains the color or something.. so if you get targeted you turn black. It says that after four days, if you're colored black, then you die. So I imagine there has to be a way for people to turn black, so at the very least I imagine that's what lynching does.
I guess if you can turn people black, you might be able to "paint" them, and convert them to your "team". So maybe if you're black you're still around but you have no ties to your previous color, but someone can paint you. Or maybe anyone can be painted, not just black players.
2) The above idea may not hold, because the universal QT does say "This QT doesn't close, but you can't talk in it after you have died." That could be standard protocol, or it could mean dying works as normal (you get lynched you die), and painting black is a different kind of special ability?
3) Color changing could be something random and not caused by particular day/night actions from players, or some combination of both.
Mod: Can you clarify "Black-aligned players will die the following day."? Is "following" meaning at the end of the game, after 4 days and 4 nights? Or following each night?
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Uh. First time in two mafia games at once!
I've been checking the qt's a fair amount, but I want to see more action here!
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Vote Count 1.0
Axxle (1) Voltaire
mail-mi (4) Jorbles, sudgy, chairs, Axxle
jorbles (1) mail-mi
shraeye (1) Witherweaver
Not Voting (6) shraeye, EgorK, scott_pilgrim, sudgy, Nik, Ichimaru Gin
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 will end on April 23rd at
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Mod: Can you clarify "Black-aligned players will die the following day."? Is "following" meaning at the end of the game, after 4 days and 4 nights? Or following each night?
Following each night.
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Hm.. Okay, so something more must be going on. Or something different. But color changes probably go on.. There must be a reason for turning black and dying in the morning instead of when you become black. Maybe they can be saved? Also, there are two separate night phases, and one resolves completely before the other starts.
Or maybe black players have a way to save themselves by copying a color.
Anyone have any ideas about this?
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Well. I can say that I don't have the power to turn people's alignment or anything. My thoughts would be that the players with this power are the only ones to know the specifics--otherwise I think we would have been told more. So unless we are able to get them to talk about what powers they have, we can't know for sure what they can do.
It is clear though that there is some sort of alignment change that is possible. And it makes sense that this power would be something that players would have--as opposed to some random event or something, but do you think that's a possibility?
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Well. I can say that I don't have the power to turn people's alignment or anything. My thoughts would be that the players with this power are the only ones to know the specifics--otherwise I think we would have been told more. So unless we are able to get them to talk about what powers they have, we can't know for sure what they can do.
It is clear though that there is some sort of alignment change that is possible. And it makes sense that this power would be something that players would have--as opposed to some random event or something, but do you think that's a possibility?
I think random changing and player action changing are both possible, as well as a combination of them.
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vote: Witherweaver
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vote: Witherweaver
vote: mail-mi for voting someone who is trying to figure out/play the game.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
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Also, unvote.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
You just want a Witherweaver Wagon for the alliteration of it.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
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It would have been hilarious if Jorbles had made a QT with all but one person in it. Or maybe he did, and I was that person...
vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
You just want a Witherweaver Wagon for the alliteration of it.
Well, why wouldn't we want a Witherweaver wagon?
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It would have been hilarious if Jorbles had made a QT with all but one person in it. Or maybe he did, and I was that person...
vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
You just want a Witherweaver Wagon for the alliteration of it.
Well, why wouldn't we want a Witherweaver wagon?
Well, Witherweaver is wonderful. Whence without him we would be in woe.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
I find this curious. But I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what the black color means.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
I find this curious. But I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what the black color means.
My understanding from the front page was that the black color was associated with death/imminent death, not a factional coloring.
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- Black-aligned players will die the following day.
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
I find this curious. But I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what the black color means.
My understanding from the front page was that the black color was associated with death/imminent death, not a factional coloring.
Yes, I realize that. But how to people become black? Is it from night kills? Lynching? Random?
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vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
I find this curious. But I'm not. I'm trying to figure out what the black color means.
My understanding from the front page was that the black color was associated with death/imminent death, not a factional coloring.
Yes, I realize that. But how to people become black? Is it from night kills? Lynching? Random?
Perhaps it's from the mod picking a random person while singing a karaoke version of "Paint it Black"?
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Well (admitting I have a color here), from what I understand, each color's wincon is different. But at the same time, it seems like there is a separate faction with the power to turn people black--thereby killing them on a subsequent day.
Claiming would be interesting here. Some people have already done so in various qt's (mostly in the "everyone" one I think). Barring knowing who your allies are, it seems like hunting for the scum who can kill/blacken people might be a good idea. There's just so little to go on. . .
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Well (admitting I have a color here), from what I understand, each color's wincon is different. But at the same time, it seems like there is a separate faction with the power to turn people black--thereby killing them on a subsequent day.
Claiming would be interesting here. Some people have already done so in various qt's (mostly in the "everyone" one I think). Barring knowing who your allies are, it seems like hunting for the scum who can kill/blacken people might be a good idea. There's just so little to go on. . .
So do you think we should reveal our 'true colors?'
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Well (admitting I have a color here), from what I understand, each color's wincon is different. But at the same time, it seems like there is a separate faction with the power to turn people black--thereby killing them on a subsequent day.
Claiming would be interesting here. Some people have already done so in various qt's (mostly in the "everyone" one I think). Barring knowing who your allies are, it seems like hunting for the scum who can kill/blacken people might be a good idea. There's just so little to go on. . .
So do you think we should reveal our 'true colors?'
Lol. There have been a lot of good jokes here ;D
Well other people have said they don't think it's a good idea. It's possible (maybe even likely) that the member(s) of the evil faction do not know who their fellow members are--if they even have any fellow members--because it could just be one person. In which case, us all claiming might hurt us. But then again, probably not, since the people with the power to blacken others would fakeclaim as well.
Aside from that, I don't see what harm claiming color could do. Aside from the evil faction (which may even have a real color), I don't see any motivation to fake claim. And it would help people to not lynch members of their own faction.
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Well I don't think anyone wants to be the first to claim their color. I mean if everyone else claimed their color I would claim mine because I would probably get lynched for not claiming my color, but if like, four people claim their color and then the rest refuse, we couldn't punish those who didn't claim, and now those who did claim are probably in the more vulnerable position. So you wouldn't want to be one of those four, so why would you claim. I mean I wouldn't complain if other people wanted to claim first, but I wouldn't necessarily join unless the majority claimed first, and I would expect others to do the same, meaning no one would claim at all. But I think the QT roles that we've already seen used (and slipped) are good for that, so that small groups of people can claim to each other.
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Another thought, maybe the Black team starts small and they have an ability like "target one player and name a color; if you correctly guess that player's alignment, they become black", like a nerfed cult. I mean I guess generally mods try to make sure that early claiming hurts players more than it helps, I expect that to be the case here.
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Another thought, maybe the Black team starts small and they have an ability like "target one player and name a color; if you correctly guess that player's alignment, they become black", like a nerfed cult. I mean I guess generally mods try to make sure that early claiming hurts players more than it helps, I expect that to be the case here.
Black team can't be a "team". Black-aligned players die at the start of every day.
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Another thought, maybe the Black team starts small and they have an ability like "target one player and name a color; if you correctly guess that player's alignment, they become black", like a nerfed cult. I mean I guess generally mods try to make sure that early claiming hurts players more than it helps, I expect that to be the case here.
Black team can't be a "team". Black-aligned players die at the start of every day.
ha. Please vote this guy everyone. He's part of the black qt.
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
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Okay, well, it looks like we're into the "real" stage of the game, so I'm going to Vote: Axxle, for this:
vote: Witherweaver
I have mod confirmation that he's scum.
Please define scum. I am unsure how scum is defined this game.
he is associated with the black color in some way
Nothing in my PM says anything about the black color. So I have a few possible conclusions: (1) Axxle investigated me during the pre-game night and found I was a different color than him, so he's trying to get people to go along by saying I'm black, (2) Axxle is making this up for some reason, (3) Axxle's win-con leads him to want to get anyone lynched, regardless of color, and he thought I was the easiest target, or (4) Axxle has an investigative role that gave false or misleading information.
I guess (3) is a subset of (2).
I'm more inclined to think (1), though (3) might make sense.
PPE 3
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
I don't follow at all. Did you miss the mod's clarification that black-aligned players die every morning?
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
Like those who are black are working hard to turn other people black during the night, and those people will then die the following day, but they will first turn other people black?
I had never thought of that before. Hmm.
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Another thought, maybe the Black team starts small and they have an ability like "target one player and name a color; if you correctly guess that player's alignment, they become black", like a nerfed cult. I mean I guess generally mods try to make sure that early claiming hurts players more than it helps, I expect that to be the case here.
Black team can't be a "team". Black-aligned players die at the start of every day.
ha. Please vote this guy everyone. He's part of the black qt.
"the black qt"? I was not aware there was a black qt. How do you know about one?
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
I don't follow at all. Did you miss the mod's clarification that black-aligned players die every morning?
yes
I should clarify something with the mod
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Another thought, maybe the Black team starts small and they have an ability like "target one player and name a color; if you correctly guess that player's alignment, they become black", like a nerfed cult. I mean I guess generally mods try to make sure that early claiming hurts players more than it helps, I expect that to be the case here.
Black team can't be a "team". Black-aligned players die at the start of every day.
ha. Please vote this guy everyone. He's part of the black qt.
"the black qt"? I was not aware there was a black qt. How do you know about one?
it has to do with my role.
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
Like those who are black are working hard to turn other people black during the night, and those people will then die the following day, but they will first turn other people black?
I had never thought of that before. Hmm.
That doesn't seem to quite work... if there are, say, 2 black players, and they can make, say, 1 player black during the night, then 3 black players die the next morning. And no one else is black.
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What? ww's comment made total sense to me. It wouldn't work if a whole faction started out only able to live until tomorrow.
if we assume aggressive recruiting its possible, especially with a 4 day deadline.
Like those who are black are working hard to turn other people black during the night, and those people will then die the following day, but they will first turn other people black?
I had never thought of that before. Hmm.
That doesn't seem to quite work... if there are, say, 2 black players, and they can make, say, 1 player black during the night, then 3 black players die the next morning. And no one else is black.
Yes, you're right. It wouldn't matter if they were changed during the night, they would still all die the next morning. Well scratch that then. I was just trying to make sense of what Axxle was saying. But it sounds like he missed the part about black-aligned players dying the next morning.
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Well I, for one, am now torn between Axxle and scott pilgrim. scott's triggering some "wat" moments for me, but Axxle's really hopping on the s_p bandwagon hard. Does his wincon need scott to die? Is he trying to paint a picture that the mod has lied and black-aligned players don't die after all?
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Well I, for one, am now torn between Axxle and scott pilgrim. scott's triggering some "wat" moments for me, but Axxle's really hopping on the s_p bandwagon hard. Does his wincon need scott to die? Is he trying to paint a picture that the mod has lied and black-aligned players don't die after all?
Isn't Axxle attacking Witherweaver?
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vote: Scott
Chairs is right.
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I misread some things on my role, no longer suspect ww.
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vote: Scott
Chairs is right.
Oh. Guess I totally missed that one then. :-[
PPE: Ok. But you were suspicious of ww because of the confusion over black aligned players dying the next morning?
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I misread some things on my role, no longer suspect ww.
Care to enlighten us? I think a lot of us are pretty lost here.
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vote: Scott
Chairs is right.
Oh. Guess I totally missed that one then. :-[
PPE: Ok. But you were suspicious of ww because of the confusion over black aligned players dying the next morning?
No chairs was wrong before I made that post but became right because I made it.
I was suspicious of ww because of my role results but that's because I assumed something that's clearly not true.
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Well I, for one, am now torn between Axxle and scott pilgrim. scott's triggering some "wat" moments for me, but Axxle's really hopping on the s_p bandwagon hard. Does his wincon need scott to die? Is he trying to paint a picture that the mod has lied and black-aligned players don't die after all?
I'm confused. Are you confusing me and Scott?
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I misread some things on my role, no longer suspect ww.
Care to enlighten us? I think a lot of us are pretty lost here.
not unless I claim more. You can just ignore it. I'm treating you the same as any player at this point (maybe even more town as things have cleared up)
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Well I, for one, am now torn between Axxle and scott pilgrim. scott's triggering some "wat" moments for me, but Axxle's really hopping on the s_p bandwagon hard. Does his wincon need scott to die? Is he trying to paint a picture that the mod has lied and black-aligned players don't die after all?
I'm confused. Are you confusing me and Scott?
probs
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Well I, for one, am now torn between Axxle and scott pilgrim. scott's triggering some "wat" moments for me, but Axxle's really hopping on the s_p bandwagon hard. Does his wincon need scott to die? Is he trying to paint a picture that the mod has lied and black-aligned players don't die after all?
I'm confused. Are you confusing me and Scott?
probs
Well, I was right that scott was triggering my wat moments, but wrong that Axxle was spazzing on him.
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I just realized something. This may not be true for everyone, but if no one were to die all game I would probably meet my wincon. If everyone were to vote no lynch for the rest of the game everyone in my faction would probably win.
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I just realized something. This may not be true for everyone, but if no one were to die all game I would probably meet my wincon. If everyone were to vote no lynch for the rest of the game everyone in my faction would probably win.
vote: Jorbles
We must not be the same wincon...Although I guess it's possible you're making some assumptions about the game that I'm not.
Also, yeah I realize that what I said earlier didn't make any sense, I'm not sure why that would make me scummy though.
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vote: Jorbles
He first tries to start mail-mi wagon (quite successfully) and then says he is pacifist. Strange for me
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vote: Jorbles
He first tries to start mail-mi wagon (quite successfully) and then says he is pacifist. Strange for me
I believe the "Mail-Mi wagon" was just RVS stuff, so I don't know if anything can be drawn from that.
So people must have different win-cons (aside from just the difference in color); I don't believe that what Jorbles said holds for me.
I'm beginning to think the most likely situation is that there are uncolored players that are like "SK"s and turn people black, or each/some factions have a player with an ability to "night kill" and turn someone black.
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Vote: Jorbles
Your win condition is different then mine.
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I don't know if we should be jumping on the win-con thing. People could have different win conditions of the same color. It could be that there are "types" of win-cons (say, Type A, Type B, Type C, etc.) as well as different colors (Color 1, Color 2, ...). It could be organized as:
Color 1 Type A
Color 1 Type B
...
Color 2 Type A
Color 2 Type B
...
So a different win-con could still be on the same team. On the other hand, it could also be that all of Color 1 have Type A con, all of Color 2 have Type B con, etc.
Or, the different win-con could imply a more "third party" type role.
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Vote: Jorbles
Your win condition is different then mine.
What's your win-con?
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vote: Jorbles
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Whoa whoa, just because our wincons are different doesn't mean we can't win together. Why is everyone so gungho for lynching me all of a sudden?
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Unless of course your wincons are more like "Only your faction can be alive at the end of the game" and you're a different colour from me or something like that. In which case, carry on.
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Vote: Jorbles
Your win condition is different then mine.
What's your win-con?
I don't know if I should claim yet. Let's just say that I need to keep the people of my same color alive.
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Vote: Jorbles
Your win condition is different then mine.
What's your win-con?
I don't know if I should claim yet. Let's just say that I need to keep the people of my same color alive.
Same for me. I don't specifically need to kill threats to win though.
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I'm kind of blue at the idea of lynching Jorbles, since he doesn't feel like a particularly scummy read to me.
Are you guys sure you don't want to vote: scott_pilgrim? He's giving off the bad vibes for me.
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(And yes, this time I confirmed I am not confusing him with WW)
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I'm kind of blue at the idea of lynching Jorbles, since he doesn't feel like a particularly scummy read to me.
Are you guys sure you don't want to vote: scott_pilgrim? He's giving off the bad vibes for me.
I don't see it. What did he do?
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I don't know if we should be jumping on the win-con thing. People could have different win conditions of the same color. It could be that there are "types" of win-cons (say, Type A, Type B, Type C, etc.) as well as different colors (Color 1, Color 2, ...).
Yeah I had considered this as well, but I think it's a lot more likely that people on the same team have the same wincon.
Whoa whoa, just because our wincons are different doesn't mean we can't win together. Why is everyone so gungho for lynching me all of a sudden?
Well at least for me, lynching anyone not of my color is beneficial for my wincon.
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I don't know if we should be jumping on the win-con thing. People could have different win conditions of the same color. It could be that there are "types" of win-cons (say, Type A, Type B, Type C, etc.) as well as different colors (Color 1, Color 2, ...).
Yeah I had considered this as well, but I think it's a lot more likely that people on the same team have the same wincon.
I'm leaning the other direction. For some reason I think there is some symmetry going on. Though maybe that's just me thinking how I would have organized it.
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Well, the other reason is, if each color team had different win cons, and everyone of the same color had the same win con, it might be hard to balance them so that it's fair.
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I don't know if we should be jumping on the win-con thing. People could have different win conditions of the same color. It could be that there are "types" of win-cons (say, Type A, Type B, Type C, etc.) as well as different colors (Color 1, Color 2, ...).
Yeah I had considered this as well, but I think it's a lot more likely that people on the same team have the same wincon.
Whoa whoa, just because our wincons are different doesn't mean we can't win together. Why is everyone so gungho for lynching me all of a sudden?
Well at least for me, lynching anyone not of my color is beneficial for my wincon.
So then it behooves you to know what colors people are, so you don't lynch somebody with your color. Interesting.
Care to color claim so we know which color we need to watch out for?
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I don't know if we should be jumping on the win-con thing. People could have different win conditions of the same color. It could be that there are "types" of win-cons (say, Type A, Type B, Type C, etc.) as well as different colors (Color 1, Color 2, ...).
Yeah I had considered this as well, but I think it's a lot more likely that people on the same team have the same wincon.
Whoa whoa, just because our wincons are different doesn't mean we can't win together. Why is everyone so gungho for lynching me all of a sudden?
Well at least for me, lynching anyone not of my color is beneficial for my wincon.
So then it behooves you to know what colors people are, so you don't lynch somebody with your color. Interesting.
Care to color claim so we know which color we need to watch out for?
No...I assumed most people would like to lynch players of different colors, which is why I assumed earlier that no one would want to claim color.
Also, what do you mean by "know which color to watch out for"? Do you know other players' colors?
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Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.
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Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.
Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color? I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later? But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons. If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
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Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.
Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color? I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later? But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons. If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
There are more colors that you aren't than colors that you are. You have more enemies than you have friends. We're basically all 'scum' because of that. You shouldn't want to claim in that situation.
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How many votes on Jorbles?
Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.
Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color? I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later? But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons. If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
There are more colors that you aren't than colors that you are. You have more enemies than you have friends. We're basically all 'scum' because of that. You shouldn't want to claim in that situation.
I agree with this.
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Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.
Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color? I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later? But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons. If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
There are more colors that you aren't than colors that you are. You have more enemies than you have friends. We're basically all 'scum' because of that. You shouldn't want to claim in that situation.
Yeah that's what I was saying (I can't tell if you think you're agreeing or disagreeing with me).
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Fair enough. Let's vote: Jorbles then!
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Fair enough. Let's vote: Jorbles then!
Wait why? What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?
I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors.
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Fair enough. Let's vote: Jorbles then!
Wait why? What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?
I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors.
Imbalance? Like in mafia? Oh wait, we are playing mafia
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Fair enough. Let's vote: Jorbles then!
Wait why? What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?
I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors.
Imbalance? Like in mafia? Oh wait, we are playing mafia
Yeah but not a Town vs. Mafia game of Mafia. This is, like, Team A vs. Team B vs. Team C vs. Team D type of Mafia. (Not sure how many teams there are.) One of the teams may be the "Mafia" team, or maybe not. But I think the rest would be symmetric.
I could be wrong about this, it's just my hunch so far. I guess my concern is one team having a win con that's easier to satisfy than another team. That could still be the case by giving teams different/better powers in order to make their win con as attainable as the others.
Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?
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Can you recap what "BM" means?
Bastard Mafia. Probably crazy roles and no guarantee of balance.
This.
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Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?
No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT
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Can you recap what "BM" means?
Bastard Mafia. Probably crazy roles and no guarantee of balance.
This.
Okay, I had forgotten about that. Good point.
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Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?
No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT
But you do know what your win-con says. You may be able to deduce the similarity or difference in it based on what people have said in here or in QTs.
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Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?
No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT
YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW
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This game is not low time-commitment! I want a refund!
vote: axxle
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This game is not low time-commitment! I want a refund!
vote: axxle
Don't think to hard and vote for Jorbles and this game will be pretty low time commitment.
Vote: Jorbles
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Here's the best argument against lynching me:
My win condition indicates that I am in a decently sized faction. I am not going to claim my colour just yet, but I will say this. I win if 4 people from my faction are alive at game end. That indicates to me that there are at least 4 people from my faction in the game and if we assume that some amount of people from my faction can die and I still win, I am probably in the largest faction in the game. Which means that some of the people voting for me are probably in my faction.
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Unvote.
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Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
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Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
Huh.. I didn't think of that. I would be alright with it.
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So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red? If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
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So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red? If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(
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So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red? If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(
I take it you're not red?
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So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red? If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(
I take it you're not red?
I assumed sudgy wanted everyone to check the QT because he was impersonating me.
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So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red? If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(
I take it you're not red?
I assumed sudgy wanted everyone to check the QT because he was impersonating me.
Ok. I'm really confused now, but whatever. I'll have to look for the stars.
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Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
That's not a bad idea. ('Mystery Man' already has claimed, in fact.) It could also tell us if players in the same color have different wincons or the same wincon; plus if there are any black-aligned players at the start of the game (or if they were changed over the course of the first day.) I'm all for it.
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Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
That's not a bad idea. ('Mystery Man' already has claimed, in fact.) It could also tell us if players in the same color have different wincons or the same wincon; plus if there are any black-aligned players at the start of the game (or if they were changed over the course of the first day.) I'm all for it.
mystery man is what gave me the idea (as well as someone mentioning he did so since I missed it the first time)
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Winning team of this game should definitely get Skittles.
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Vote Count 1.1
mail-mi (1) sudgy
Axxle (2) Witherweaver, Voltaire
Jorbles (5) scott_pilgrim, EgorK, mail-mi, chairs, Axxle
Not Voting (4) shraeye, Nik, Ichimaru Gin, Jorbles
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 will end on April 23rd at 10:15 PM.
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Deadline in 10 hours. I am red (I was Clifford in the everyone QT). I don't think we should lynch me. Who should we lynch? Should we lynch anyone? I am fine with a no lynch.
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Deadline in 10 hours. I am red (I was Clifford in the everyone QT). I don't think we should lynch me. Who should we lynch? Should we lynch anyone? I am fine with a no lynch.
"No lynch" in this game means a random lynch. At least that's how I understand the rules. Whoever has the most votes gets lynched at deadline; if there is a tie, it's decided randomly.
I'm confused with the whole QT thing. We really have so many red players?
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Well in that case I guess I'd vote to try and save myself, but I don't really have a case on anyone. I have some reasons not to vote for people.
Won't lynch:
sudgy, Nik (they appear to be of my faction)
Why are you voting for Axxle WW?
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vote: Witherweaver
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case?
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Well in that case I guess I'd vote to try and save myself, but I don't really have a case on anyone. I have some reasons not to vote for people.
Won't lynch:
sudgy, Nik (they appear to be of my faction)
Why are you voting for Axxle WW?
Hm, he originally went after me hard saying I was black-aligned, and it seemed like he slipped some knowledge of the setup that we didn't have and had some reason to want me to get lynched. It was in this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg369604#msg369604) post that I explained it.
He since said he had confused something that he received and made bad assumptions. That left me not quite sure what to think about it, and I never unvoted. And nothing came up to want me to vote for anyone else.
So I don't have a big reason to still be voting for him. Unvote
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vote: Witherweaver
Why? This looks eerily familiar!
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Okay here's an idea. We have 9 hours to lynch deadline. shraeye hasn't posted in the main thread since he \inned. We don't have a lot to go on right now. Maybe we'll have something to go on after the night? We'll have night and day to talk more.
Vote: shraeye
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Okay here's an idea. We have 9 hours to lynch deadline. shraeye hasn't posted in the main thread since he \inned. We don't have a lot to go on right now. Maybe we'll have something to go on after the night? We'll have night and day to talk more.
Vote: shraeye
Actually, this is a good idea. Whatever is going to happen during the night, and possibly whatever we see from a lynch, will give us more information on what is actually going on with this game. Lynching someone who has never posted seems like the safest bet, especially since I don't really know what it means to be "scummy" in this setting.
Vote: Shraeye
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Vote: shraeye
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Vote: shraeye
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He made one post on QT, but that's not enough
Vote: shraeye
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vote: shraeye
That is L-1!
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vote: Witherweaver
Why? This looks eerily familiar!
Don't wanna lynch Jorbles.
But shraeye is cool too. intent to hammer
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vote: Witherweaver
Why? This looks eerily familiar!
Don't wanna lynch Jorbles.
But shraeye is cool too. intent to hammer
Because you're red? But why did you vote me, before and now, instead of anyone else?
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Wow. Well I guess I'm down with lynching Shraeye. Looks like mail-mi's gonna hammer soon though.
Oh well. Back to the qts.
PPE: 1
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Vote: Shraeye
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Vote: Shraeye
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/It+s+HAPPENING.+100+shure+from+pol_47a934_4838945.gif)
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Vote: Shraeye
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/It+s+HAPPENING.+100+shure+from+pol_47a934_4838945.gif)
What of the colors on that guy background is yours?
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So according to the QT we have:
6 Red
3 Yellow
2 Blue
1 Green
1 Black
This is 13 players, and we only have 12 in this game. So.. my guess is either the Black or one of the Reds is not real.
It would make sense if EgorK slipped and said red as himself then tried to cover my creating an account and saying he was mimicked, but then claimed Red himself under a pseudonym.
Alternatively, someone with a less popular color may have seen that Red is safest (seems to be "town"), and claimed Red as the 5th or 6th instead of their real color.
Well regardless, it looks like my idea of same team sizes was wrong.
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(http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/house-gif.gif)
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@Egor
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(http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/house-gif.gif)
So blue, right?
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I'd lock the thread, but you guys can talk in the QT anyway. So I'll post the flip when I get home.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find we have multiple lies in the QT when we get to game end. I kinda doubt shraeye has been paying enough attention to have responded to the request for people to anonymously state their colour there.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find we have multiple lies in the QT when we get to game end. I kinda doubt shraeye has been paying enough attention to have responded to the request for people to anonymously state their colour there.
I was thinking about saying something like earlier, but I thought it would give scum ideas if they hadn't done it already. Your observation makes sense, so it seems like it happened anyway though.
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IG, why do you think there is scum? I have no reason to think there is scum! In fact, I'm going to bet that the only think that can happen at night is color conversion. I think lynches are the only way we can kill people.
Also I'm not going to claim my color at this point because it'll be painfully obvious what I am since I was gone from the forums during the initial claim. :P
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IG, why do you think there is scum? I have no reason to think there is scum! In fact, I'm going to bet that the only think that can happen at night is color conversion. I think lynches are the only way we can kill people.
Also I'm not going to claim my color at this point because it'll be painfully obvious what I am since I was gone from the forums during the initial claim. :P
Oh. When I say scum, I use that to refer to whatever faction we think exists that can turn people black. I've previously called them the "evil faction" or something like that. So scum is probably not the right term.
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I think whether Voltaire's theory about whether or not lynches are the only way we can die will be answered at the end of this night. It's possible that there are multiple ways to be turned black associated with different factions. If they're aligned with you they are vigilantes. If they are not they are scum. It seems more relative than usual this game.
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I have no reason to believe my faction has the ability to kill people. If they do, I don't get to be a part of the decision, at the very least.
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so am I lynched?
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I'm suspicious about the speed of my wagon on such flimsy reasons.
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Is what somebody would say if this were a regular non-bastard mafia game.
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also, I never claimed inthe QT thread. So something's fishy over there.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find we have multiple lies in the QT when we get to game end. I kinda doubt shraeye has been paying enough attention to have responded to the request for people to anonymously state their colour there.
Oh, I totally have been paying attention to this game. I just chose not to post.
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Hurr Durr no flip.
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Hurr Durr no flip.
Thread Locked.
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Vote Count 1.1
Axxle (1) Voltaire
Jorbles (1) chairs
Witherweaver (1) mail-mi,
shraeye (7) Jorbles, Witherweaver, sudgy, Axxle, EgorK, scott_pilgrim, Nik
Not Voting (2) shraeye, Ichimaru Gin
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 will end on April 23rd at 10:15 PM.
shraeye the Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer has been lynched!
Night 1 Phase 1 has begun! Phase 2 begins on April 24th at 10 PM.
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Night 1 Phase 2 has begun. Day 2 begins in 24 hours.
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No one died
Day 2 Start!
Not Voting (11) Voltaire, Axxle, Jorbles, chairs, mail-mi, Witherweaver, sudgy, EgorK, scott_pilgrim, Nik, Ichimaru Gin
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D2 will end on May 1st at 2:00 PM
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Yeah. We're still alive!
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...because none of us can kill people.
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...because none of us can kill people.
Well, assuming that "recruiting" roles are all phase 1. And not true anyway as the Green guy could have been killed. Tomorrow night people could turn black and die.
That is, asuming I'm right with my theory of how it's working.
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What green guy could have been killed?
I think I'm done playing closed Bastard setups (so all Bastard games?) because it's really disappointing where you have a game (like this one!) that seems fun and maybe even balanced but isn't really mafia, so you spend the first half of the game playing shittily while you try to figure out the rules, then you figure them out and they're fun, but the game is almost already over. It was the same reason I was so disappointed about ash's bastard game (meta mafia) because that one was actually balanced and COOL but because 75% of the game was "figure out how to play" it wasn't very fun for me.
I'm not /outing, I'm just going to semi-lurk my way through this one.
Nothing against your game, Arch. Really, this should be taken as a compliment.
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Someone claimed Green in the QT during day 1. Either it was a lie or he was recruited night 0. Then if Red would have recruited him last night, I think he would be black, so he'd die.
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I still have only a vague idea what is going on here.
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I now have a different color and two win-cons. None of the three match. It's not technically impossible for me to win based on them, but short of a mass-claim, there's really nothing for me to do.
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I think the best way to win is to no-lynch our way to victory. I know Red's and Yellow's wincon, and if blue's wincon isn't anything bad, I think this could make us all win.
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Blue's win-con requires non-blue people to die, so no-one with the blue win-con would go along with that plan.
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I think it is (practically, not truly) impossible for me to win at this point. So I am going to claim, and if your faction thinks you can use my death/recruitment to help you, I promise to help you in any way that I can.
I am currently Green. I started out as Blue. I have the Blue and Yellow win-cons right now.
Also the rules say we can't No-Lynch.
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As a practical matter, my current incentives are to lynch anyone who isn't Blue or Yellow.
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As a practical matter, what is red's wincon? If it's compatible, I may have just come up with a solution.
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As a practical matter, what is red's wincon? If it's compatible, I may have just come up with a solution.
At least four red players need to be alive. Red-Yellow wincon is hard...
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As a practical matter, what is red's wincon? If it's compatible, I may have just come up with a solution.
At least four red players need to be alive. Red-Yellow wincon is hard...
Okay, then I think, possibly, if there are enough (5) yellows left, we could all win this together.
Are you guys willing to consider full-claiming if this is possible?
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
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What green guy could have been killed?
I think I'm done playing closed Bastard setups (so all Bastard games?) because it's really disappointing where you have a game (like this one!) that seems fun and maybe even balanced but isn't really mafia, so you spend the first half of the game playing shittily while you try to figure out the rules, then you figure them out and they're fun, but the game is almost already over. It was the same reason I was so disappointed about ash's bastard game (meta mafia) because that one was actually balanced and COOL but because 75% of the game was "figure out how to play" it wasn't very fun for me.
I'm not /outing, I'm just going to semi-lurk my way through this one.
Nothing against your game, Arch. Really, this should be taken as a compliment.
I guess I see what you're saying, but I find it interesting. I like the "figuring out how to play" part.. I guess it's not regular Mafia but it's fun for me. I think I was able to figure out what's going on in this game, but there are still some unknowns. Three colors = black is just a hypothesis. It's possible that it isn't until you blend blend's together (so 4+ colors) that you go black, or something.
And there's the issue of figuring out how to win once your win cons get more challenging to satisfy.
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
I would bet that the Blue win-con is worded in terms of players "That have the Blue win con" and not "that are blue".
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
i like this plan.
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We need the precise wording on the Blue win-con in order to make any decisions.
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
I would bet that the Blue win-con is worded in terms of players "That have the Blue win con" and not "that are blue".
It's worded in terms if players without the Blue Win-Con. Is that what you need to know?
(I'm trying not to quote my original PM and get modkilled)
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*of
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So the idea is that we all claim colours and then do the math to try and work out a win for the greatest number? I'm in. I've already claimed though.
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
I would bet that the Blue win-con is worded in terms of players "That have the Blue win con" and not "that are blue".
It's worded in terms if players without the Blue Win-Con. Is that what you need to know?
(I'm trying not to quote my original PM and get modkilled)
Then killing a Green does not satisfy, because Green has the Blue win-con. So Chairs' idea doesn't work.
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Hm.. This looks tough. Blue needs X people without the blue win-con to die.
At a minimum, we need 5 Yellow win-cons and 4 Red win-cons alive, with the constraint that #Red < #Yellow. Blue also needs to be less than Yellow, but that may end up being satisfied just because we lynched a pure Blue yesterday.
Blue needs to kill X pure Yellow or pure Red, or Red/Yellow (Orange) hybrids. But Orange hybrids help satisfy both Red and Yellow win-cons, so we don't want to kill them.
Best chance is to kill all the pure Reds and let the Red/Blue or Red/Yellow satisfy Red's win-con. There needs to be an extra pure Yellow or Yellow/Blue (while still having less Blues) to satisfy Yellow. There probably isn't a lot of pure Reds though.
Also keep in mind we can only kill one player a day. There is only 3 left. Hmm.. that seems to make it not possible if X > 3 (which I think it is). So for this to work there has to be a night-kill mechanism. If it works the way I think where R+Y+B = Black = die, and Black retains all three win-cons, it's not possible as Black deaths won't count towards Blue win-con.
Any thoughts on different Black mechanics? Does anyone have the ability to STRIP colors from people?
Mod: If I'm dead at the end of the game but my win-cons are still satisfied, do I still "win"?
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Another thought:
Maybe only Yellow and Red can "recruit" players and Blue has a night kill ability. That would possibly let everyone win because then we can kill up to 6 players. It would also make sense because each team would have a power that helps their win-con.
Then I'd be wrong about the triple color = Black, though, if Blue cannot recruit.
Does anyone know if Blue can recruit?
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I think they might have been able to through shraeye who was a color sharer. Not sure if they'd have redundancy beyond that.
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Mod: If I'm dead at the end of the game but my win-cons are still satisfied, do I still "win"?
Yes
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I think they might have been able to through shraeye who was a color sharer. Not sure if they'd have redundancy beyond that.
Oh okay, I misread his role.
Anyone have thoughts on night kill ability? Killing Shraeye may have screwed Blue over. But I could also be wrong on my 3-colors-turns-black theory.
It may be impossible for all teams to win
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Note also that my theory here relies on the fact that a "Green" player, despite having blue + yellow wincon, is no longer blue nor yellow.
Here's my thought: We leave alive 5 yellow, 4 red. we kill everyone else, this should fulfill the blue wincon that X non-blue players must die. This satisfies the yellow wincon, that the majority alive must be yellow. This also satisfies the red wincon that 4 reds must remain alive.
I would bet that the Blue win-con is worded in terms of players "That have the Blue win con" and not "that are blue".
Damn, you're correct.
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Well, I, uh..
I think I'll volunteer to be today's lynch, if we're lynching anybody, because it'll be a dick and a half to satisfy blue + yellow.
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Yeah, if Blue had the ability to kill, I was Blue at the start of the game and not aware of it. Unlikely, I would say.
Also willing to be the lynch if it allows the greatest number of people to win.
FWIW, my ability is to either create QTs (like the rest of us) or to give people a hidden vote that's permanent for each day. N0 I put a vote on SP and last night I didn't put a vote on anyone. I started out as 2-shot, gained a shot somehow, and used one shot N0 (on Scott), so I'm still 2-shot.
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I think we're all 2-shot QT makers/something else.
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Yup yup. Just claiming my something else/shots left/that S_P had an extra vote from me D1.
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I can give people the blue wincon, and if they already have it I open a QT with them.
I don't see a way for blue to win reasonably out of this, so as noted I will take the lynch.
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Hm.. this doesn't make sense, something must be wrong.
Blue's wincon is that 4 players without the Blue win-con must die? With our current hypothesis, that is impossible unless you lynch perfectly.
Maybe if you give an Orange (Y+R) person the Blue win-con, they lose all their win-cons and turn black and die, so they count towards the Blue one?
Otherwise Blue is just not possible. And why would they make the win con to kill people without the Blue win-con, and have two players that give more people the Blue win-con? That just makes it harder for Blue win-con to be satisfied.
We probably want to keep Chairs alive to test things out.
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Yeah I don't know what to do. We have to lynch someone, and safest bet (for "everyone winning") is a pure Red. Hybrid Reds can satisfy Red's win-con alone, so they don't need pure Reds, and Yellow would prefer to have pure Yellows to help a majority. Blue needs non-blues to die.
I think there has to be something else going on at night to give players with the Blue win-con a chance at all of winning.
Are we going to do the full claim thing?
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Or maybe if someone has win-cons X and Y, if they are given wincon Z then they turn black instead of being given wincon Z. Then they die with only X and Y wincons. Then Blue can kill off Red+Yellow by sharing Blue with them, and they won't have the Blue win-con when they die.
We'll probably need to test it tonight with Chairs.
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I've decided to just try to fight for the red win condition anyway.
I just realized! Red and Yellow can win with five people! If there are four orange players, and one yellow, there are five reds and more yellows than others. We can somehow kill off the rest and win.
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I've decided to just try to fight for the red win condition anyway.
I just realized! Red and Yellow can win with five people! If there are four orange players, and one yellow, there are five reds and more yellows than others. We can somehow kill off the rest and win.
That's good news.
I've already claimed in a qt. But might as well here.
I am pure red
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I am pure yellow
*shakes fist at Gin*
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Okay here's my idea:
(1) Lynch a pure Red today. (Someone pure Red volunteer, no lying. We have to lynch someone, and if we don't choose it's random.)
(2) Someone with 2 colors volunteer tonight to be targeted by a third color-giver to see what happens. Preferably not Yellow+Red because we want to use those to get Yellow+Red to win. This requires someone to have colors X and Y, and a "sharer/recruiter" of color Z to have shots.
(3) No one else do any kind of recruiting or sharing or any night action that might mess things up.
Thoughts? Note also that some people can give shots to others. So if you're a recruiter/sharer that is out of shots, someone may be able to give you some.
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I just realized some pure red might lie and say they're orange for more survivability.
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We can discuss ways that it might be possible for all of us to win, but in the end I only care about whether I win, and that should be the attitude that everyone takes. So unless we have a forced win for everyone, we should be expecting people to deviate from any plan we come up with, if they judge those deviations to improve their odds of winning.
I'm not saying it's bad to try to come up with a plan that makes us all win, but unless it's 100% guaranteed (which it probably isn't because we're not sure how players turn black and whether that gives them all three win-cons or what), there is a good chance that someone will screw it up by fighting for their own win-con (which is what they should do), so we shouldn't be relying on it. Instead I think it might be best if two alignments team up and try to fight off the third. If the Reds and Yellows agree to take out Blues, it might be a lot easier for all of the Reds and Yellows to win than if we try to get everyone to win. I don't know that this is the case because I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it, but it seems like it should be.
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I just realized some pure red might lie and say they're orange for more survivability.
Yeah, but they can still win even if they're dead. But this doesn't require everyone to claim, it just requires one pure Red to volunteer.
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We can discuss ways that it might be possible for all of us to win, but in the end I only care about whether I win, and that should be the attitude that everyone takes. So unless we have a forced win for everyone, we should be expecting people to deviate from any plan we come up with, if they judge those deviations to improve their odds of winning.
I'm not saying it's bad to try to come up with a plan that makes us all win, but unless it's 100% guaranteed (which it probably isn't because we're not sure how players turn black and whether that gives them all three win-cons or what), there is a good chance that someone will screw it up by fighting for their own win-con (which is what they should do), so we shouldn't be relying on it. Instead I think it might be best if two alignments team up and try to fight off the third. If the Reds and Yellows agree to take out Blues, it might be a lot easier for all of the Reds and Yellows to win than if we try to get everyone to win. I don't know that this is the case because I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it, but it seems like it should be.
Right, but my idea involves a test to figure out exactly what happens. I don't think it really hurts anyone. Someone has to be lynched, and pure Red is the safest choice for all win-cons. Once we see the effect of R+B+Y win-cons, we can judge from there how to best pursue whatever strategy we want.
Oh yeah, and the person that gets the three colors has to post in the QT telling us what happens before day starts.
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I'll volunteer to be the lynch today (unless someone else wants to ;D).
Seriously, though, I'm cool with you guys killing me as part of the experiment. And who knows, maybe my wincon will get fulfilled in the end.
so vote: Ichimaru ?
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I'll volunteer to be the lynch today (unless someone else wants to ;D).
Seriously, though, I'm cool with you guys killing me as part of the experiment. And who knows, maybe my wincon will get fulfilled in the end.
so vote: Ichimaru ?
We need everyone to agree to do this first though. If someone goes off and does an unaccounted for night action, we lose the control.
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I'll volunteer to be the lynch today (unless someone else wants to ;D).
Seriously, though, I'm cool with you guys killing me as part of the experiment. And who knows, maybe my wincon will get fulfilled in the end.
so vote: Ichimaru ?
We need everyone to agree to do this first though. If someone goes off and does an unaccounted for night action, we lose the control.
Ah. I see. So perhaps I jumped the gun a little bit.
unvote for now, until we get everyone to agree. But leastways you guys know I'm down for the plan.
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Here is why everybody should participate: Our colors can change easily. If a red works to fulfill his and yellow's wincon and completely ruins blue, he might suddenly become purple and he's ruined himself. If we can all win, we can guarantee that we will all win no matter what happens.
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Here is why everybody should participate: Our colors can change easily. If a red works to fulfill his and yellow's wincon and completely ruins blue, he might suddenly become purple and he's ruined himself. If we can all win, we can guarantee that we will all win no matter what happens.
Or we could lynch chairs since blue probably doesn't have more than two color sharers. Each person has at least one wincon he knows he has, so he maximizes his odds by making that wincon a priority. Whether that would be enough to make him deviate from whatever plan we come up with, I don't know, probably not, but I'm just pointing out that someone might do it.
But yeah, I'm fine with lynching Ichimaru today.
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vote: Ichi
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vote: maru
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vote: maru
This nickname had better not stick. . . :P
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(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/maru-20090425-125127.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/DPB16ko.png)
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(http://thecocktailgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Bombay-Sapphire-Gin-Bottle.jpg)
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Fine you win. But only because you really made me laugh ;D
I figured I might as well have a little fun, seeing as how I'm dying and all.
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[img ]http://Bombay Sapphire[/img]
Shoulda been Tanqueray 10. Makes more sense with his name, after all.
Also, /tag.
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So uh.. are we going to try my plan?
We need someone that can give colors to step forward. And someone with both the other colors willing to take the third.
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Yeah there's no point in going forward if it's not a possibility. This has already been mentioned but I am pure red. I kinda feel like this game would have benefited from being an open or semi-open setup. I feel like we're just kinda fumbling towards what the actual rules are and the game will already be half over.
If we don't have all the pieces of this plan together I won't vote for a red.
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Yeah there's no point in going forward if it's not a possibility. This has already been mentioned but I am pure red. I kinda feel like this game would have benefited from being an open or semi-open setup. I feel like we're just kinda fumbling towards what the actual rules are and the game will already be half over.
Yup. This is what I said, perhaps not clearly, earlier.
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Yeah there's no point in going forward if it's not a possibility. This has already been mentioned but I am pure red. I kinda feel like this game would have benefited from being an open or semi-open setup. I feel like we're just kinda fumbling towards what the actual rules are and the game will already be half over.
Yup. This is what I said, perhaps not clearly, earlier.
*fist bump*
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
Why would blue every want to share their color?
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
Why would blue every want to share their color?
*ever
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
I am a red color sharer. I'll share with you tonight.
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
Why would blue every want to share their color?
This was my thought too when I first saw the blue win-con, the only advantage I can think that it gives blue is if turning people black by sharing the blue color doesn't count as them having the blue win-con when they die.
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So I have blue and yellow... BUT I'm the blue color-sharer that's left. Do we want to hold off on gacking me until we're sure we don't need those shots first?
Why would blue every want to share their color?
This was my thought too when I first saw the blue win-con, the only advantage I can think that it gives blue is if turning people black by sharing the blue color doesn't count as them having the blue win-con when they die.
This is what I want to test. If three colors means black but no third win con
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Well. I'm still cool with being the lynch and all. But we need universal support?
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Vote: Gin
I thought more people were going to claim first?
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Everybody, I think trying to make everybody win is the best decision for everybody because of alignment changes. Let's create some plan.
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Vote: Gin
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vote count?
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vote count?
I hope it does.
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vote count?
I hope it does.
I don't know, seeing as I now have like 5 different names...
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Everybody, I think trying to make everybody win is the best decision for everybody because of alignment changes. Let's create some plan.
I have a plan! But killing (or testing on) Chairs seems super risky for Blue.
Okay alright. I am Orange. I started out as Yellow and someone gave me Red last night. Let's all lynch Ichi today, and have Chairs give me Blue tonight (during the first night phase). No one give any other colors as night actions or do anything that would otherwise mess with anything else.
No one do anything to Chairs in particular.
I'll report what I see in terms of win cons in the Everyone QT during the night. Then the remaining can figure out if everyone winning is doable.
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And if winning is not doable, then the Yellows and Reds better win since Ichi and myself are sacrificing :P
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I mean if everyone winning is not doable.
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Actually, I think it would be best for someone to become orange during the night, because we need a lot of oranges. Everybody color claim, then the yellow changers or red changers can make more oranges.
I am orange
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But if all the yellows become oranges we lose :(
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We should keep a pure Yellow around to give the majority.
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Everyone I've seen discussed so far is an x-shot. Do we have enough shots to turn all reds and all but 1 yellows orange?
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I doubt it. But some people have abilities that give and take away shots.
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I am pure yellow.
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I am Pure Red
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I am pure yellow.
^5
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Well I guess we're full color claiming. To record:
1. mail-mi
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
3. Orange sudgy
5. Nik
6. Green Voltaire
7. Blue chairs
8. Red Ichimaru Gin
9. Orange Witherweaver
10. EgorK
11. Yellow Axxle
12. Jorbles
(Dead: 4. shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.)
Current counts:
Yellow: 5
Blue: 2
Red: 3
Jorbles, EgorK, Mail-mi, Nik, want to claim?
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I am pure red.
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Pure blue
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Well I guess we're full color claiming. To record:
1. mail-mi
12. Jorbles
5. Red Nik
8. Red Ichimaru Gin
9. Orange Witherweaver
3. Orange sudgy
11. Yellow Axxle
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
6. Green Voltaire
7. Blue chairs
10. Blue EgorK
(Dead: 4. shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.)
Current counts:
Red: 4
Yellow: 5
Blue: 3
Jorbles, Mail-mi, want to claim?
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Well I guess we're full color claiming. To record:
1. mail-mi
12. Jorbles
5. Red Nik
8. Red Ichimaru Gin
9. Orange Witherweaver
3. Orange sudgy
11. Yellow Axxle
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
6. Green Voltaire
7. Green chairs
10. Blue EgorK
(Dead: 4. shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.)
Current counts:
Red: 4
Yellow: 6
Blue: 3
Jorbles, Mail-mi, want to claim
Edit: chairs is green, not blue.
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Pure red.
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Jorbles claimed at least Red yesterday.
So:
12. Red + ??? Jorbles
1. Red mail-mi
5. Red Nik
8. Red Ichimaru Gin
9. Orange Witherweaver
3. Orange sudgy
11. Yellow Axxle
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
6. Green Voltaire
7. Green chairs
10. Blue EgorK
(Dead: 4. shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.)
Current counts:
Red: 6
Yellow: 6
Blue: 3
Red -> Red -> Yellow. Good plan?
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Vote: Ichimaru
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vote: Ichimaru
How many votes on me?
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I like colors:
Red + ??? Jorbles
Red mail-mi
Red Nik
Red Ichimaru Gin
Yellow + Red Witherweaver
Red + Yellow sudgy
Yellow Axxle
Yellow scott_pilgrim
Blue+YellowVoltaire
Blue+ Yellow chairs
Blue EgorK
(Dead: shraeye Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. Lynched D1.)
Current counts:
Red: 6
Yellow: 6
Blue: 3
I also rewrote to emphasize starting colors (the first one listed). This is a little weird, because we only have Me, Axxle, and Scott down as starting Yellow, and five players (Jorbles, mail-mi, Nik, Ichi, Sudgy) starting Red.
Jorbles, did you really start Red, or did you claim that to not get lynched yesterday?
Also, issue with plan. Blue needs *4* players to die that do not have blue, yes? So R+R+Y only gives 3. If I die tonight by taking Blue win-con, and no one else shares, and we kill 2R + 1Y, then we'll be left with:
2 R
1 Y+R
1 Y
2 B+Y
1 B,
for 3 total Red, 4 total Yellow, and 3 total Blue. Red doesn't win this way.
Need Jorbles to clarify his claim to see if it's possible.
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If Jorbles was really Yellow and is now Yellow+Red, I believe it works as long as red sharer shares with EgorK, making him Blue+Red.
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Blue is a hell of a wincon.
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Blue is a hell of a wincon.
Well, unless they're lying to pull off some wicked ruse, yeah.
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Or if turning black counts as deaths without win-cons, thereby counting towards the blue win-con.
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I'm pure red, I wasn't just saying that to avoid lynch, you can probably tell as I knew the win-con before the color claim happened. Also I can confirm that scott_pilgrim is yellow. I color copped him last night. (It was my last shot)
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Why are we attempting to kill WW at night? I don't follow that part of the plan.
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I volunteered. I want to know what happens when we get 3 colors.
So we started the game with 5R 3Y 4B?
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Why are we attempting to kill WW at night? I don't follow that part of the plan.
I volunteered. I want to know what happens when we get 3 colors.
Specifically, we want to paint an orange player blue, because if they do turn black without getting a third wincon, it will be beneficial to the blue wincon.
So we started the game with 5R 3Y 4B?
I'm guessing Archetype had some way of randomizing which team got how many players, and which PR's the teams got based on that. But I guess it's also possible someone is lying?
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Why are we attempting to kill WW at night? I don't follow that part of the plan.
I volunteered. I want to know what happens when we get 3 colors.
Specifically, we want to paint an orange player blue, because if they do turn black without getting a third wincon, it will be beneficial to the blue wincon.
So we started the game with 5R 3Y 4B?
I'm guessing Archetype had some way of randomizing which team got how many players, and which PR's the teams got based on that. But I guess it's also possible someone is lying?
Well I know Ichi is telling the truth because I copped him. I know that Sudgy is telling the truth because I know who shared Yellow with him.
I don't really think anyone is lying.
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Everybody, I think trying to make everybody win is the best decision for everybody because of alignment changes. Let's create some plan.
I have a plan! But killing (or testing on) Chairs seems super risky for Blue.
Okay alright. I am Orange. I started out as Yellow and someone gave me Red last night. Let's all lynch Ichi today, and have Chairs give me Blue tonight (during the first night phase). No one give any other colors as night actions or do anything that would otherwise mess with anything else.
No one do anything to Chairs in particular.
I'll report what I see in terms of win cons in the Everyone QT during the night. Then the remaining can figure out if everyone winning is doable.
I gave you red last night, btw
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Ichimaru Gin (6) Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Witherweaver, mail-mi, EgorK, Voltaire
Ichimaru Gin, the Red-aligned 1-shot Demotivator has been lynched! N2 start! Phase 1 will end in 24 hours.
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Phase 2 has begun!
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Witherweaver, the Black-aligned 2-shot Sharing Color Cop has died
Voltaire, the Black-aligned 2-shot Vote Adder has died
Day 3 start!
Not Voting ( 8 ) mail-mi, Nik, EgorK, Axxle, Jorbles, chairs, scott_pilgrim, sudgy
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. D2 will end on May 9 at 11:30 am.
Thread unlocked!
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Everybody, let's full claim to see if we can figure things out. Everybody can claim whenever.
I am a death delayer. I can delay someone's death by one night. I am still orange.
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I am a two-shot vote remover. I can make a player need one extra vote to be lynched. I only have two shots to do this. Alternatively, I can open up a QT for a shot.
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12. Red Jorbles
1. Red mail-mi
5. Red Nik
3. Orange sudgy
11. Yellow Axxle
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
7. Green chairs
10. Blue EgorK
Current counts:
Red: 4
Yellow: 4
Blue: 2
I'm a yellow color sharer, I've used all my shots.
Unless we have color sharers or removers I think we cannot have everyone win.
Fos: chairs and mailmi, worst night ever
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I'm wondering whether chairs killing Witherweaver was intentional (he was hoping for two non-blue deaths to make it easier for him to satisfy the blue wincon). That is why I was warning about this sort of thing happening earlier. But it also hurts his yellow wincon so I'm not sure. Axxle has no shots left (and I can't turn people yellow) so the yellows have to lynch non-yellows. The blues can meet their wincon by lynching a non-blue, so we have EgorK's and chairs's vote on a pure red, right? I added a permanent vote to Jorbles N1 so if me, Axxle, chairs, and EgorK want to lynch Jorbles today we can (and I think it is in all of our interests to do that), unless someone else removed a vote from him.
vote: Jorbles
There is maybe a possibility for everyone to still win though. If someone can give Axxle a shot (I think there are powers which give other players shots?), then he can turn one of the pure reds orange, we can lynch EgorK, and then maybe we have it?
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I'm a red color sharer, i'm out of shots, was originally two-shot.
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I was a red color cop/neighbourizer. If any more reds die we can't win. Reds should not support this lynch. What if we lynched Egork?
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vote: Jorbles
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Vote: Jorbles
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unvote
wait might have miscounted.
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Everybody winning might be possible.
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Lynching me and Egor.
12. Red Jorbles
1. Red mail-mi
5. Red Nik
3. Orange sudgy
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
7. Green chairs
This would leave: 4 reds. 3 out of 6 players with yellow (majority?). 4 non-blue deaths.
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I'm also fine lynching Jorbles and having less players reach their win con :)
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Vote: Jorbles
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vote: axxle
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Vote Count 3.1
Jorbles (3) Axxle, EgorK, scott_pilgrim
Axxle (1) mail-mi
Not Voting (4) Nik, chairs, sudgy, and Jorbles
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 will end on May 9 at 11:30 am
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Vote: Axxle
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wait guys guys guys. reds can take control now--we have half of the players alive.
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wait guys guys guys. reds can take control now--we have half of the players alive.
sudgy isn't really red. he cannot win the game.
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wait guys guys guys. reds can take control now--we have half of the players alive.
sudgy isn't really red. he cannot win the game.
shhhh we don't have to tell him that!
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Vote: Axxle
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Are there any more yellow shots? Yellow could share with a red so that yellow is both majority and there are 4 reds left?
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So uh...chairs, you wanna hammer before the deadline?
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Request prod chairs
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sudgy, you can help too! I'll allow it. We'll build a statue of you!
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sudgy, you can help too! I'll allow it. We'll build a statue of you!
sudgy if you lynch jorbles you will not win.
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sudgy, you can help too! I'll allow it. We'll build a statue of you!
sudgy if you lynch jorbles you will not win.
sudgy cannot win no matter what he does. might as well finish the game faster.
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sudgy, if you lynch Jorbles I will find 10 of your posts to +1
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I haven't cared about the game since I figured out I couldn't win. I'll Vote: sudgy and not change.
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I haven't cared about the game since I figured out I couldn't win. I'll Vote: sudgy and not change.
Not even if I draw you a pretty picture?
(http://i.imgur.com/Kto0iP8.jpg)
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vote: jorbles
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Was that enough?
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Maybe not, but I think it's past the deadline anyway
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THREAD LOCKED
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Vote Count 3.Final
Jorbles (4) Axxle, EgorK, scott_pilgrim, chairs
Axxle (3) mail-mi, Nik, Jorbles
sudgy (1) sudgy
Not Voting (0)
Jorbles, the Red-aligned 2-shot Color Cop, has been lynched!
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Night 3 has begun! Phase 2 will begin in 24 hours.
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Night 3 - Phase 2 has begun! Day 4 will start in 24 hours.
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No One Died.
Day 4 start!
Not Voting (7) sudgy, Axxle, mail-mi, Nik, chairs, scott_pilgrim, EgorK
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 will end Sunday at 2 am.
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So now I think we are at:
1. Red mail-mi
5. Red Nik
3. Orange sudgy
11. Yellow Axxle
2. Yellow scott_pilgrim
7. Green chairs
10. Blue EgorK
Did anyone change colors? If the game ended right now blue and yellow would win, and red would lose. But someone has to die, so it has to be mail-mi or Nik, right? Me, Axxle, and chairs all want a pure red lynch. No one else cares; EgorK auto-wins and mail-mi, Nik, and sudgy auto-lose. So I guess it's just a kingmaker game for them now?
vote: mail-mi
Does anyone have information on whether votes were added or removed from mail-mi or Nik? I added a vote to sudgy earlier in the game, but that doesn't help now (unless 3/6 counts as a majority, although if that's the case yellow has already won).
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Vote: mail-mi
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:( you guys stink.
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vote: Mail-mi
Bastard games are bastard.
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vote: mail-mi
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON
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Fastest day?
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bump?
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vote: mail-mi
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON
Me either! Vote: Mali-mi
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Thread Locked!
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Vote Count 4.Final
mail-mi (4) Axxle, EgorK, chairs, scott_pilgrim
Not Voting (3) sudgy, Nik, mail-mi
mail-mi, the Red-aligned 2-shot Color Mixer has been lynched!
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GAME OVER!
EgorK the Blue-aligned 1-shot Demotivator wins!
shraeye the Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer wins!
chairs the Green-aligned 3-shot Color Mixer wins!
scott_pilgrim the Yellow-aligned 2-shot Vote Adder/Remover wins!
Axxle the Yellow-aligned 4-shot Color Mixer wins!
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Roles
Voltaire:
Welcome, Voltaire, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Blue-aligned 2-shot Vote Adder. You win if 4 players without the Blue Win Con have been killed by the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot you spent, target one player. The following day, one vote will be secretly added to them. This will make them require one less vote to be lynched.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
shraeye:Welcome, shraeye, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Blue-aligned 2-shot Color Sharer. You win if 4 players without the Blue Win Con have been killed by the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night you may spend any amount of shots. For each spent shot, target one player. They will be told your Color.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
EgorK:
Welcome, EgorK, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Blue-aligned 1-shot Demotivator. You win if 4 players without the Blue Win Con have been killed by the end of the game.
You have 1 "shot". Once during the night you may target one player. If they don't have the Blue win condition and have at least one X-shot, they will lose a shot.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
chairs:
Welcome, chairs, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Blue-aligned 3-shot Color Mixer. You win if 4 players without the Blue Win Con have been killed by the end of the game.
You have 3 "shots". Each night, during the first phase, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot spent, target one player. You will mix a little Blue into their lives. If they...
...don't have the Blue Win Con, they will be given the Blue Win Con in addition to whatever win con(s) they previous had.
...do have the Blue Win Con, all of their X-shot powers will be given an additional "shot" and a QT will be made for the two of you. It will be open during both the day and the night, but no posting in it once you've been killed.
sudgy:
Welcome, sudgy, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Red-aligned 2-shot Death Delayer. You win if there are 4 players alive with the Red Win Con at the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night, during the first phase, you may spend any amount of shots. For each spent shot, target one player. If they were to die that night, they will instead die at the end of the following day.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
Nik:
Welcome, Nik, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Red-aligned 2-shot Vote Remover. You win if there are 4 players alive with the Red Win Con at the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot you spent, target one player. The following day, one vote will be secretly removed from them. This will make them require one less vote to be lynched.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
Jorbles:
Welcome, Jorbles, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Red-aligned 2-shot Color Cop. You win if there are 4 players alive with the Red Win Con at the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot spent, target one player. You will be told their Color.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
Ichimaru Gin:
Welcome, Ichimaru Gin, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Red-aligned 1-shot Demotivator. You win if there are 4 players alive with the Red Win Con at the end of the game.
You have 1 "shot". Once during the night you may target one player. If they don't have the Red win condition and have at least one X-shot, they will lose a shot.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
mail-mi:
Welcome, mail-mi, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Red-aligned 2-shot Color Mixer. You win if there are 4 players alive with the Red Win Con at the end of the game.
You have 2 "shots". Each night, during the first phase, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot spent, target one player. You will mix a little Red into their lives. If they...
...don't have the Red Win Con, they will be given the Red Win Con in addition to whatever win con(s) they previous had.
...do have the Red Win Con, all of their X-shot powers will gain an additional "shot" and a QT will be made for you two. It will be open during both the day and the night, but no posting in it once you're dead.
If you die, however many shots you didn't spend will be inherited by a player with the Red Win Con.
Witherweaver:
Welcome, Witherweaver, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Yellow-aligned 2-shot Sharing Color Cop. You win if the majority of players alive at the end of the game have the Yellow win con.
You have 2 "shots". Each night you may spend any amount of shots. For each spent shot, target one player. You will be told their Color and they will be told yours.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
scott-pilgrim:
Welcome, scott_pilgrim, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Yellow-aligned 2-shot Permanent Vote Remover/Adder. You win if the majority of players alive at the end of the game have the Yellow win con.
You have 2 "shots". Each night, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot you spent, target one player and choose one: For the rest of the game, one vote will be secretly removed from them, making them require one more vote to be lynched OR for the rest of the game, one vote will be secretly added to them, making them require one less vote to be lynched.
Alternatively, a shot can be spent within the first phase to open up a "neighborhood". Target any number of players. Starting at the beginning of the second phase, a QT will be opened for all targeted players. The QT will remain open during both the night and the day. If a QT member dies, they may no longer post in it. If you die, the QT will still remain open.
Axxle:
Welcome, Axxle, to Rainbow Mafia! You are a Yellow-aligned 4-shot Color Mixer. You win if the majority of players alive at the end of the game have the Yellow win con.
You have 4 "shots". Each night, during the first phase, you may spend any amount of shots. For each shot spent, target one player. You will mix a little Yellow into their lives. If they...
...don't have the Yellow win con, they will be given the Yellow Win Con in addition to whatever win con(s) they previous had.
...do have the Yellow win con, all X-shot powers will be given an additional "shot" and a QT will be made for you two. It will be open during both the day and the night, but no posting in it once you're dead.
If you die, all remaining shots will be inherited by a player with the Yellow win con.
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Night Actions
N0 - Phase 1 actions:
Voltaire gives scott_pilgrim +1 Vote
N1 - Phase 1 Actions
Axxle mixes...
...Witherweaver {+1-shot and Neighborhood}
...sudgy {Becomes Orange-aligned}
...Voltaire {Becomes Green-aligned}
...chairs {Becomes Green-aligned}
mail-mi mixes Witherweaver {Becomes Orange-aligned}
Nik creates a Neighborhood {Nik, sudgy, Jorbles}
EgorK creates a Neighborhood {Witherweaver, EgorK}
Jorbles investigates scott_pilgrim {Gets "Yellow" back}
sudgy creates a Neighborhood {Nik, sudgy, Jorbles, sudgy}
N1 - Phase 2 Actions:
Witherweaver cops Ichimaru Gin {IG -> Orange, Witherweaver -> Red}
N2 - Phase 1 Actions:
chairs mixes Witherweaver {Becomes Black-aligned}
mail-mi mixes Voltaire {Becomes Black-aligned}
QTs
Nik/sudgy/Jorbles: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/DkGZYc5cRCV
Egork/Witherweaver: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/B85p9yaxAth
Nik/sudgy/Jorbles/mail-mi: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Fu7UV88DEj5P
Witherweaver/EgorK: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/VQCizkY8vjn9
sudgy/IG/Voltaire/Mail-mi/Axxle: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BDCa2VhUY3sh2
chairs/Voltaire: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YAMZvnFEx6mFhttp
Witherweaver/Voltaire/Ichimaru Gin: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/WrYT3gFXSvzfX
EVERYONE: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mwQ5Sm9mmvj
Dead Players: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/rSYqCabsbHF
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Witherweaver/EgorK: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/VQCizkY8vjn9
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Well that was a... different setup, haha.
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I think the next time there's a role with a unique win condition, it probably should commit suicide if their win condition is impossible to reach.
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Do I get points for figuring the setup out? And then deciding to sacrifice myself (for some reason?)
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yay, i won!